Why am I afraid of money? with Elizabeth Ralph

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Real power is making joy in. I'm $1000 short this month and I
just put it on a credit card. But that's not about me.

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That doesn't mean I'm doing a bad job.
That doesn't mean I'm not good with money.
That just means I do something different.
What am I going to do different?There is an element, I call it
money neutrality. That's the power.
That's when money comes in, in those holy shit, unstoppable
moments. And that's what you're really
going for. But you have to get out of the

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way by not personalizing what's going on out there and what
everybody else is doing so much because it's your
personalization of it that's causing your entanglement,
that's subconsciously causing you to try and be a certain way
because you think that works, but that's who you're not.

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It's Liv and Mellie and special,special, special guest,
Elizabeth Ralph. We are like so overjoyed because
as we were just reflecting together and then with
Elizabeth, that Elizabeth was one of the first interviews that
we actually landed and that we were so excited about because we

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perceived just her to be on a different caliper.
Big high vibe. Yeah, so big high vibe.
And it's been several months since that initial booking and
we've had so many interviews since then, but it's almost like
going back to that like super exciting special moment where
she first said yes. So Elizabeth is somebody that I

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came across through her podcast,The Spirit, the Spiritual
Investor, and I was so drawn to it because it really took a
spiritual approach to relation relating to money, which is not

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the most common duo, I would say.
So, so excited to talk about this topic today 'cause this is
something that Liv and I also just go all over the place with,
and so we're so curious for our own personal.
Yeah, especially in the face of like, wanting to build a podcast
in a business and a movement. You know, money's a huge part of

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that. And it's also at odds with a lot
of our programming. So excited to talk about.
That a lot of like swinging pendulum swinging between
abundance and scarcity mindset. So, Elizabeth, do you care to
introduce yourself briefly and let our listeners know who you
are and what you're about? Well, as I told you before, I'll
probably just take your introduction and then, you know,

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that's, that's just fine. Thank you for that.
I think the, I think if I add anything, I'll just sort of
ground in like, you know, why amI doing this?
Like what, what, what, why wouldyou be even listening?
You know, and, you know, I was afinancial trader for over a
decade and so I have a strong background in finance and I, I

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bought my way out of that using investing, you know, using real
estate, about a lot of real estate in San Diego.
And then I, I used, you know, the market, you know, in order
to cover my cost of living and finish out my long term
retirement. Now I say that also because it's
kind of leading me into, I want everyone to realize that you

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define your own financial freedom.
Like that's not it's not textbook what I did.
I used the 3D World in order to do it, but I did it through my
own spiritual journey. So even though you might feel
like you're sort of inundated and you're in the spirit, you're
in that 3D World. I mean, like you're in corporate
or maybe you're even have your own business, like you're,

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you're still really, really designing the game here.
And hopefully you know, this is going to give you guys ways to
bring this because this is wheremoney and joy meet and it's also
where money and wealth meets. And so hopefully that's going to
be able to help you bring this into this.
Because had I not merged the world's when I was more in the

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3D World, I really don't believethat I would have afterwards
started the spiritual investor. This was seven years ago and
been able to help the people that I've helped now.
And the reality is like, I'm learning just as much as as
they're learning, right? You know, I was just, I woke up
this morning to 71 questions inside of the spiritual investor

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group. And I'm going through them and
I'm just thinking, I'm just like, this is my joy.
This is my joy, like helping them and then I'm seeing myself
in them. And so we're not on a solo
journey with this. And so I guess that's kind of
what's coming up for me to shareright now.
So, so good. Yeah, and like so soothing to me

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in so many ways. And something that you said not
as directly that we're pretty big on here is like really
starting to recognize when we'rein victim mindset and
recognizing that for what it is and that it's a narrative and
it's a story. And while the evidence and
experience of my life may read Victim, I have some agency over
whether that's my narrative and my story of the thing.

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And I was just like hearing a little bit of that.
Like you design your own financial freedom regardless of
your circumstances. That's really fucking.
Powerful. Yeah, yeah, I love that.
That's a yeah. And I love the idea of just, you
know, it's like choose your own adventure.
It's like money. I think we all, not we all, but
many of us have this idea that money management has to look the

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way that it looked for this richperson.
Or, you know, there's like a guideline, there's a there's a
book that you have to follow andit has to be, yeah, a certain
way. There's like a pinhole that you
have to fit yourself into to have a proper relationship with
money. But I love the idea that that
it's more of a choose your own adventure.

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Yeah, definitely. And and you know what, I'll
just, I'll just piggyback on that if you don't mind, because
I think there might be somethingin that, in that I've met, I've
come across a lot of wealthy people and I don't know that
these wealthy people are actually following what people
are reading in the books. As a matter of fact, I would, I

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would bet on it that they're not.
That to me is kind of like when people say, oh, I live my life
just like that movie I just saw.And so when people are really
getting, you know, if something's valuable for you,
take it. But I would say don't hang your
hat on things like the latte factor or a money management
principle or something like that, right?

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It's too distant from you. These people who are wealthy,
they did it because they combined creativity with money
because that's when money becomes effortless.
That's what they did. Man, that is such.
That's these. Are this?
Is. So good we haven't even we
haven't even dropped the question.

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Yeah, I know. OK.
OK, OK. I'm going to back up real quick
because I feel like this could go a really juicy direction, but
I really want to ground into what are we talking about today?
And today we are asking the question, why am I afraid of
money? This is a really good question
because I think many of us, myself included, I think live

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included, are afraid of money and are afraid of abundance.
And many of us actually don't even know that we are afraid.
And I would love, Elizabeth, if we could kind of, you know,
start small with this question and look at the fear piece of
the question. Because I think so many times or

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in general, if somebody we're very unconscious about their
relationship to money and they were to hear you're afraid of
money, they'd be like, I literally don't even know what
you're saying. Like, what does that even mean?
I want money. Like, duh, I want money.
Money buys me things. Like why would I not want money?
Why would I be afraid of something that's going to make
me rich? So I'd love to just kind of hone

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in on what are we talking about when we're saying that people
are afraid of money? Like what kind of what behaviors
are we observing in these peoplethat are demonstrating their
fear of money? This is so good.
I love that you asked this. I think this is such a great
like platform for this conversation.

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I think when people say that they're afraid of money, they're
actually afraid that money is going to change them in some
way, which means that they're afraid that they are not in
control anymore. The money is in control.
And when you really look at it, I don't actually think people
are afraid of money. I think people are afraid of

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that version of themselves that could be controlled by money.
And because they've never had money, they've never met that
version. And it is easier and safer to
not have to go through that because they've seen all these
people around them where money changes them or money causes

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them to maybe drop their value system or what's important to
them or money causes them to go astray.
But even that is actually an illusion because those people
were already like that before they had money.
All money does is just, it's just an exacerbation, you know,
of who we already are. And so I think that people are

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afraid of that version of them who has money, yet at the same
time they're deeply craving to meet that version.
And I think that's where people get really stuck.
They just stay stuck in the middle of that.
Yeah, something you said there really caught my attention in my
own narrative and story. And this idea that money has

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more agency than I do and that money could control me.
Even as you were saying that, I was just thinking about.
We talk about illusions of freedom all the time.
And, you know, sometimes people think freedom is having all the
choices all the time, when in actuality the actual freedom is
making the choice. And.

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And so I was thinking about thatwith my money and it's like, I
literally like, as soon as you said that, I was like, Oh my
God, I perceive that having to budget is controlling me.
It's ruining my fun. It's it's, it's, but that's me
saying that the money and my budget and that spreadsheet have
more agency than I do. And also that like it's, it's
like obvious in my mind that OK,managing your money is.

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Is a good idea. But then the idea of managing
even that word managing, just feels like a like a cage and a
trap and I'm going to lose my freedom somehow if I have more
money when the opposite is actually true.
Yep, you're exactly right. And I, I go through the same
thing, by the way, I hate the word management.
I don't even use it in, in the spiritual investor program.

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It's just like, Oh my God, I sort of frame it up as, OK,
you're just going to get clear on your money because you just
need to know where you are. Like, I have to think of it in
different terms as well. I don't like to be put in a box
with money. I don't like structure with
money. And you know that even to saying
that, you know, hopefully peopleare seeing that there is a way,

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there is another way of living that you can call in a lot of
wealth and not love money management, not love stocks, not
be on a budget, not feel constrained like the whole world
of sacrifice. And money actually doesn't have
to be connected. And when it is connected, you're
just making it more difficult because money is abundance
money. Love is no different than money.

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It's all the same energy, and soif we if we're focusing on a
point of suffering in it, we're actually moving away from it.
This is like, literally like, I'm just thinking about how I
was taught by my parents and even like the like, you know, my
dad, you know, I was married some time ago and as a wedding
gift, you know, he put us in Dave Ramsey's course.

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And my brain understood all of it, but my body was like.
No, this looks awful. This feels.
Terrible. This is awful.
I'd rather live paycheck to paycheck because following his
system makes me feel like a zoo animal, which I kind of thought
that that was something wrong inme.
But now you're saying, Oh no, I may be just aware there's
another way and I don't like this way so I'm just not doing
any of it at all. Yeah, Everywhere you show up in

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life, you're moving more towardsyour authentic self.
I don't know why. Well, I guess I do know why
people don't allow their authentic self to show up when
it comes to money. Because they they see money as
rules based and they see it as being controlled, which is kind
of how we started this. One of the reasons that they see
money as being controlling though, is because they are

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creating that in their life. The moment that you think I you
say something's too expensive, well, that means it's not,
that's not for you. I mean, the moment you say I
can't go on that vacation because of money or the moment
you start worrying about money, all of a sudden you have given
money control. And So what we're doing is our
daily lives are creating evidence that money controls us.

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And then we're like, why don't we want more of it?
We don't want more control. And if we're equating money with
control, it makes sense Going back to that original question,
why we're afraid of money. This is good.
I feel like there's something inhere that's reminding me of the
book Rich Dad, Poor Dad. And in the book he really harps

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on how, you know, it's, I mean, essentially it's just
differentiating the mentality ofabundance versus scarcity
mindset his rich dad has like anabundance mindset.
His poor dad has like a scarcitymindset and his.
However, his poor dad is the onewho is super gung ho about

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getting the education, getting the job, getting the benefits,
getting the, you know, all of the things, the check, checking
all of the boxes that say you'redoing a good job and you're
financially secure. And I'd love to hear your
perspective on that. And I feel like you're kind of
getting to it and speaking to ita little bit already.
But you know, in, in rich Dad, poor dad, he takes like a pretty

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extreme view of like education is a trap, right?
Because it makes you think that you need to get all these things
to be, to have the proper relationship with, with money.
But really what it's doing is it's zapping your creativity and
not allowing you to go beyond a certain level in life.
And yeah, I'm really curious. I mean, I'm interesting.

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Yeah. I'm, I'm guessing you've
probably, you're probably familiar with the book and I'm
curious what like how does that land in you and what is the
nuance that you have in that concept in your mind?
Well, you know, it's interestingbecause I kind of grew up in the
similar situation. Each set of grandparents I had

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the the rich grandparents that, you know, were like sort of out
and all about making money and showing it and da, da, da.
And then I had the set of grandparents that were actually
also millionaires, but they were, you know, drove the same
old truck, you know, nobody everknew and that kind of thing.
So and I think we probably all have experiences in our life

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that we can draw from that kind of model that and I think it is
a great model, which is why, youknow, it's definitely one of the
foundational books. I think what it does is it
really pushes forward like, OK, well, there is something going
on. There is a bit of an illusion
going on out there with regards to the amount of money and
happiness and, you know, a givenway to live.

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I think anything that we take onlike that, like at least for me,
I'll just use myself as an example, I take sort of what
feels like fits for me right nowand then so let's just say the
story of that, right? The rich dead, 4 dead.
So, So what part of that fits for me now?

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But what I also do at the same time is I will depersonalize it
to a certain degree. So what I mean by that is any
circumstance can be amazing. So if someone out there
listening to this is in a situation where their cost of
living is actually above what they're bringing in, they might

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even be putting something on a credit card.
They may be hoping their business picks up.
They may have like school dues coming up for their kids or
whatever, right? That can be just as joyful of a
situation as you just had an extra $50,000 drop into your
account that you weren't expecting.

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That is where we have to start from.
And so we can't go out there andgo, I mean, we can, but I'm
always looking for what's the effortless path.
And I think that people are ready for this, which is there's
much to be learned from the circumstance and there is also
much to be learned about. The circumstances mean nothing

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other than. What piece do you want to take
from it? Because the real power is making
joy in. Oh well, Oh well, I'm $1000
short this month and I just put it on a credit card.
But that's not about me. That doesn't mean I'm doing a
bad job. That doesn't mean I'm not good
with money. That just means I do something

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different. What am I going to do different?
Like there is an element, I callit money neutrality, which is
really the foundation of everything I teach.
And that's the power. That's when money comes in, in
those holy shit, unstoppable moments.
And that's what you're really going for.
But you have to get out of the way by not personalizing what's

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going on out there and what everybody else is doing so much
because it's your personalization of it that's
causing your entanglement, that's subconsciously causing
you to try and be a certain way because you think that works,
but that's who you're not. Yeah, like you're saying this
and all I keep hearing is, oh, my God, this is exactly what

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I've learned from being in relationships with, you know,
romantic relationships or like friendships that break up.
It's the same thing. It's that like, I'm like people
pleasing my idea of money and I'm people pleasing my concept
of what I need to be to make money and how I'm gonna be that
person that has, you know, $1,000,000 retirement that's

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growing and whatever other goalsI might have.
It's like literally I've, I've, I've given money so much agency
and I'm just like sitting here in 20 minutes of this
conversation, like holy fuck. Yeah, and that's where we get
stuck, right? I, I resonate with that so much.
And I'm, and you're saying this right now and I'm looking at
myself and I'm thinking, holy shit.

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You know, there's so much shame in the experience of, Oh my God,
I have to put this on my credit card and I don't actually have
the funds to support this. And now, in that shame
experience, I'm starting to identify with the idea that this
is who I am. And this.
Is the this? Is this?
Is something that I'm stuck with.
This is this is something that Ihave to hide.

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This is something that I have toprotect.
You know, there's just all of these little tangential thoughts
that go along with that, that start to integrate it into who
you believe you are. And then it becomes this like
block to accessing anything elsebecause now you are, like you
said, Elizabeth, attached to this way of being and

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particularly fond of what you just said because, well, one, I
don't think I've ever heard anybody who's who's talking
about relationship to money say it in that way.
And, you know, everybody's telling you what to do and how
to do it and not necessarily that it's, you know, the same to
be at the bottom of the barrel as it is to be at the top of the

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barrel. That's that's blowing my mind
and in. A good way?
In a good way. And two, I love this because
what it is really is something that Liv and I talk about all
the time, which is letting the human experience be complex and
holding all of it. And I really, really, really

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love this because it's not reductionist.
And that is where I think we getso lost in relating to anything
is when we try to reduce it to arule or a concept or an idea.
And that I think there's something so powerful right here
in this conversation and this this specific thing that you're

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talking about. Because I mean, I would be fine
if this, if this is all that somebody took from this, this
podcast is don't reduce money toanything or your relationship
with money to anything. Like it is as complex as you
are. And it is literally a reflection
of what you are and what you're holding and that at that exact

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period of time. So I, yeah, I'd love to just
dive into that a little bit moreif you have any thoughts on on
not being reductionist and allowing the complex experience
of money. Yeah.
Well, I wonder I, I'm thinking because my thought on that is
also like she said to not take it personally, which is where I

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think people are reducing is thepersonalization.
So I'm almost wondering if I could piggyback on the question
is like, how do you not take it personally when you feel so much
fucking shame? There it is.
That's the question. How do you not take it
personally? Because you're saying this and
my brain's like, yeah, it isn't personal.
And my body's like it feels. So.
Freaking personal. Well, OK, so, so let's go there.

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So you basically you're, you're,when we say our body, it's just
a bunch of chemicals and it's just a bunch of illusions and
it's just a bunch of thoughts, right?
And then what we do is we try and figure out like, what's the
connection between this feeling and this thought and what this
person saying and what this person is doing.
And we spend all of our energetic currency, which that's

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our, that is our greatest abundance is the currency that
we have to exchange. We spend all of it trying to
figure all of that out when really none of it really matches
because all of it is just something that's already
happened from the past. So we're creating our own world,
but what we're seeing around us is the creation of the space

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that we did at some other point.And then we're just trying to
figure it all out. So if you're in sort of you're,
you're, you're moving towards the belief of this.
And so if there's a party that'slike, wait, tell me more, tell
me more than it would make senseto you, That version of you who
wants to know more and is curious about what I just said,

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would also see that the only wayyou can get there is to
depersonalize. So depersonalization becomes an
integral part of the path you must take instead of something
that you must do. When you when you see that it's
something that you must take, then you move yourself out of
the 3D World. You move yourself out of the

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matrix because you move yourselfout of the doing.
And then the way you put it in practice is that feeling comes
in that shame and then you go, where did that?
Where'd that chain come from? I think it might be about money,
but it could also be about the fact that I haven't done that
thing that I was supposed to do this morning that I said I was

(26:39):
going to do 7 days in a row. It could also be about that
comment I made last night. It could also be about blah,
blah, blah, blah. And once you start to actually
see that you are just falling into the trap of a direct
relationship that doesn't actually exist.
You have no choice but to depersonalize your life, and
when you depersonalize your life, you open up yourself to

(27:03):
complete freedom. Yep.
Bro. Yep, yeah, I love that because I
mean, that's I was, I was just talking to Live Today before we
got hopped on this podcast aboutnot taking people's negative
attitudes and rude comments personally.

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And it's quite literally the same thing.
You think? It's your own rude comment,
right? Right, right.
And if you if you're integratingsome random strangers rude
comment into your lived experience, chances are there's
you were already ready to to take things personally because

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of something else that was goingon in your life.
Because you know, you, like you said, Elizabeth didn't do the
thing that you said you were going to do for the past seven
days. I mean, this person, you don't
know this person. Like why, why would you care
what this person is saying? And now all of a sudden it
matters so much because you haven't been showing up for
yourself and you haven't been doing the things that you've

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been saying you're gonna do and you haven't been working on that
relationship that you have to yourself.
So now all of a sudden everything becomes very, very
personal. And it's the it's.
Just the. Same with money.
It's I'm I'm continually blown away at how money is just no
different. And you said at the beginning of

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the podcast, you said it's the same as love.
It's just energy, but it it's like you hear those words and
you're like, yeah, OK. But then you start to apply
these little bits and pieces of see how this happens when you
meet a stranger? Also happens when you meet
money. See how this happens in your
romantic relationship? Also happens when you relate to
money. See how this happens when you

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don't show up for yourself? Also happens when you don't show
up for money. You know, it's like, it really
is. Yeah.
Agnostic. It's not on its own isolated
experience. Yes, exactly.
And you know, this, this depersonalization, I use the
example about when someone says a negative comment to you.

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So if you want, we can go a little, little bit into that
because there's something else there with that, which is when
someone says a negative comment to you and it becomes personal.
It can only become personal if it's already a part of you.
Because we don't care if someoneon the street, some homeless

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person says your shirt's ugly, like we don't care.
We just keep walking, right? So it's already a part of you.
And you know, you hear the, you hear the spiritual philosophy
about money that you know, you have to be it in order to get it
right. So that also makes sense because

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if you're not it, then you can'tactually take it in.
So there's a match within you, that negative comment, there is
a match within you. So the negative comment is
actually you, right? Because then it's one big
circle, right? So you have expressed yourself
out there in some way that it the, that the circumstances

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around you are representing being that version of you in the
3D World and it's getting shown back to you.
You know, this is just a mirror,right?
And so when we depersonalize it,we actually are taking all of
our energy back in and, and seeing and, and addressing that
within us. The moment that we personalize

(30:32):
it, we're splitting our energy and then we're giving it away,
which we can do. And you know, you mentioned
relationships live like that. We do that all day long in
romantic relationships, right? We're like, Oh my God, this
person's doing this and this person's doing this and this
person's doing this. We're doing the same thing with
money. We're literally giving our power

(30:53):
away and then saying how come I don't have more money?
Well, you don't have more money because you've got such a weak
signal going on out there. Your magnetism is so low.
Not in your speak. You can go out there and talk
about your products all day long, but it's your if your
magnetism and your energy is lowbecause you are giving it away.

(31:16):
If you start there, you don't have to do other things in your
life. The money just your standard
automatically rises because thenyou're operating on a different
frequency and we feel it. This is.
Really making me think I'm thinking about how often the out
the outcome of a circumstance isoften taken at face value.

(31:37):
Like I've been guilty many timesof, oh, this outcome isn't what
I thought it was supposed to be.And that means something about
my character. That means something about how
hard I work. That means something about my
intelligence. Like I'm taking it very
personally. So I was even just thinking, you
know, like, let's say I'm livingpaycheck to paycheck and I'm
trying really hard to get a better job, but I have these

(32:00):
personal confirmation biases in me that say I'm never going to
get out of this. You know, on on a subconscious
level, maybe even I'm not even fully aware of it, but I'm never
going to get out of this. I'm always going to live
paycheck to paycheck. No one's ever going to cut me
slack. I always work really hard and
I've never seen for it whatever my narratives are.
And I go into an interview with that energy.
It's not really going to matter what I say.

(32:21):
I could say all the right things, but another candidate
comes in and they're confident, and maybe they don't have the
same skill set and maybe their resume isn't as stacked as mine,
but they were magnetic and charming and available and
flexible. And like all these other
qualities that you can't really teach someone to be, that
person's probably more likely toget that job because they were a
big, bright, shiny, sparkly thing.

(32:42):
And I came in all I work really hard and I'm owed something for
it. Yeah.
And then I might see, oh, I didn't get, I didn't get this
job. See, again, it proves my story.
And so then I'm going to continue to live my life trying
to prove this story as opposed to if I depersonalize it and I
go in and I might have all the feelings about not getting the
job, that might suck. I might need to ball on the

(33:03):
floor and feel like the world's ending.
If on the other side of that, though, I can do what you
suggested, which is OK. What out of this circumstance
can I take with me as a lesson and apply next time?
Now, all of a sudden, that's nota failure.
It's it's a left turn and then aright turn and then an off ramp

(33:24):
and then a stop sign. And then, oh, that's the job for
me. That's where I was supposed to
go. And life was leading me there.
And I allowed it instead of likesitting all mad and angry.
And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just wanted to like, yeah, I wanted to like land that in like
a very practical. That's the way in which that's
the way in which I've, I've written stories.

(33:44):
I could not get a job with my degree, but I can look back now
and see that had everything to do with my attitude and my
relationship to it and taking things personally than it did my
actual capacity to go get a job with my degree.
I'm sure I could have if I hadn't quit.
You know, yes, exactly. Yeah, Thank you for framing that
up. Yes, you're exactly right.

(34:05):
Yeah. And I feel like that's that.
I mean, bringing it back to the question, that's another reason
why, you know, we on some level are afraid of money because it
is going to take us down. Like the the pursuit of that
level of authenticity is going to take us down the most raw and

(34:27):
truthful path of who we are. And it might not look the way
that we want the rich version ofus to look, right?
Like Liv was saying, it might take us to the turn to the stop
sign to the, you know, metaphorically that looks really
fucking shitty. And you might have to go really
far down first before you go up.And that I think for me in my

(34:53):
relationship to money, that is the hardest part is recognizing
that it is not a linear path. And I'd love to talk about that
and your ideas around paths and if they're linear or not.
Because. And I imagine because if we just
speak about spirituality and growth in general, you know,

(35:18):
there's the whole concept that we can connect to a lot in
spirituality that you know aboutquantum leaping and you know
that quantum is not linear. It is you are constantly jumping
timelines and reverting timelines and exploring things
from different timelines all thetime.
And I'd love, I'd love to just hear your thoughts on on the

(35:42):
path as it relates to money. Yeah, this is this is great.
So I think for me there is nevera linear path.
But then I have to ask myself, is there not a linear path?
Because I don't like structure and if something feels like a
linear path, it feels structuredto me.

(36:02):
So is there not a linear path? Or is it that it's a more
powerful perception for me to hold that there's not a linear
path? With that said, I think someone
can make anything a linear path depending on what's your
definition of how you're moving forward.
And so if that's a more powerfulposition for someone to take and

(36:23):
they go, oh, I think I'm moving forward because my spiritual
growth is just on point, but I'mnot seeing the money yet.
You can see that as a linear path.
It's moving you forward and you being able to choose that
positions you to actually get more of what you want when it
comes to money, then choosing the alternate.

(36:46):
So it comes down to we're the ones designing it, but we're not
really giving ourselves permission to design it because
we're so worried about does it fit the design that we've been
taught. Yo, you're just dropping mad
Nuggets all over the place in this like really soothing voice.

(37:08):
And I'm like, no, it's great. This is really great.
I love that you brought it back to we can choose whether it's
it's linear or not. And really back to this whole
choice moment. I've never even considered the
idea that I could go actually I am moving linearly and the 3D
World is not my measuring stick for that because the 3D World is

(37:28):
very illusionary as we've been discussing.
I'm actually wondering, I'm thinking about this, why am I
afraid thing. And you know, I grew up Catholic
for like a short period of time and there is so much garbage in
there around even just like in teachings of Jesus, who, you
know, hung out with poor people and this, that and the other,
which neither none of that's here or there more.

(37:49):
It's about people's personalization of that and
perceiving that having money is evil somehow, or it makes you
evil. Yeah, Robin Hood.
Yeah. Like, you know, take, take from
the rich, you know, take from the wealthy.
And, you know, there's a, there's a use case in our
culture for people who have a lot of money and are very loud
about that, you know, using their money in ways that many of

(38:10):
us think are not good. But then again, I'm thinking
about your grandparents who, youknow, were millionaires and
you'd never have known. So there's a lot of different
ways to be with it. But I'm imagining in your
teaching, you run into people who have all these blocks
around. It makes me greedy to want
money. It makes me greedy to focus on
money. I'm going to be a bad person if

(38:31):
I have money. And I'm just curious if you can
maybe comment on that fear and perspective shifting there?
Yeah, Oh yeah. I run into a, a lot of that and,
and it's great. I love it.
I love it when people can, whether it's on social media or
in the in the spiritual investorgroup, wherever it is.
If people can just throw up and say what's there for them, I'm

(38:53):
like that's, that's a, that's a celebration for me and for them
too, because it's likely that they've been holding it in and
not really not really talking about it.
And like you said, maybe even feel feel shame for it.
I think there are a lot of people who are wealthy who are
greedy bastards and there are a lot of people who are poor who

(39:13):
are greedy bastards. And I don't know if even using
AI, if we could literally quantify that, like it is almost
like a number that's going to bechanging every moment depending
on what people are doing and what they're da, da, da, da.
And so things that things like that, when I see that, I'm like,
why would I be on the belief system side of wealthy people

(39:36):
are greedy when I see just as many poor people that are,
they're just as awful to be around and they're just doing
the worst things in the world. And the flip side you see, you
see wealthy people who are quiteconscious and you see poor
people that are quite conscious.So I think if we do adopt any
portion of that belief on eitherside, then what that really is

(39:57):
is it's it's our own ego trying to justify itself.
And it's trying to justify itself so that we don't have to
do something. Yeah, Yeah.
Oh my God. I can't wait to rewatch this
episode after it's landed. Yeah, I, I'd like to just kind
of maybe this is the same answerto the question, but I feel like
there's this piece for me where I think there is the greed in in

(40:23):
that that presents in poor people and rich people.
And then I think if somebody were afraid of having too much
money for that reason, there might also be the voice in their
head that says if I'm taking toomuch for myself, there isn't
enough left for anybody. Else.
And I feel like that's maybe a little bit nuanced indifference

(40:43):
as compared to because the poor people that are greedy aren't
actually taking up anything. They might be greedy in their
energies, but they're not actually holding all of the
wealth. Whereas the people that are
holding the wealth that are, youknow, it's like there's this
idea that if I have more than I need, you know, what about the

(41:06):
starving children in Africa? Like, am I taking from them?
Can you speak to that nuance? Well, no one can take energy
from anyone. That's the way we're designed.
And money is energy. So just because someone is
wealthy doesn't mean that someone else is going to have
less. It doesn't actually work that
way. I think.

(41:26):
Also, I think that people, they sit in the assumption that if
they get a lot of money that they're going to, I think you
use the phrase keep more for themselves.
But if you look at our own humanness and you really go back
to an authentic human being, We don't sit there and eat more on

(41:51):
our plate of food looking at someone else who is hungry and
go, I'm just going to eat more and more and more like that's
not really who we are. And so sitting in the assumption
of that is going to happen is connecting with something that
is false anyway, because the, mybelief, and this is like the

(42:15):
underpinning of, of why I, I do what I do every single day.
My belief is that we live now inthe new world of money, the new
paradigm and wealth is actually going to flow to those who are
conscious. And I'm just a cog in the wheel.
I'm connecting with people who are expanding in their

(42:38):
consciousness so that I can helpthem be wealthy and then they
are going to go out and change the world.
And somehow I'm a part of that. That's, that's how this is all
working for me. And everything that I do in my
life, as long as it ties back tothat decision, I don't have to
worry about being authentic or not.

(42:58):
And I get off base and I become the asshole too.
And I screw up in relationships and I don't do the things in my
life that I need to do. Like I have a list of personal
tasks in my life that I need to do.
And they feel heavy, like I'm not out here saying that I'm
doing it right. But do I know how to attract
wealth? Yes, I do.

(43:18):
Do I know how to receive money? Am I in flow with money?
Yes. Am I deeply, deeply connected to
human beings? Yes.
And so all I'm doing is going. How can I just keep coming back
to that over and over again without making myself wrong,
without judging myself? Not because I'm, I'm right.
It's because it's a powerless state.

(43:40):
And so my standards are different.
My standards are much higher than the average person out
there with regards to where I place my energy, where I place
my attention. And I'm just not willing to sit
in disempowered States and beliefs anymore.
And it's, it's expanding me intothe world.
I'm watching it happen. My team's watching it happen.

(44:02):
It's expanding me at a lightningpace, almost to the point where
I can't energetically keep up with it.
But then I go. I can't.
And in that exact same moment, Igo, I can.
How can I? I rise?
I can't. How can I?
I rise. And I don't look into my outside
world to blame the world. I look.

(44:25):
I look at myself. How do I rise?
Over and over? It's just a repeated practice
process. This is really beautiful and
maybe we can talk about, I'm just thinking about outside
arguments around the art, you know, that idea that I can
always choose to be in a more empowered place and the fact
that we live in a systemic inequity.

(44:45):
You know, some people are just born with less access to things,
right? And there could be a case made.
The three women on this show areall light skinned and came from
a certain place and have certainprivileges, which are are
factors and they're contributing.
I know for me, I've run into this in my own value set, right?
Like taking money personally andfeeling like if I have more
money that's going to go againstmy values.

(45:06):
I'm just wondering like how we hold both that yes, we do live
in a system that has a lot of fuckery in it.
There are a lot of designs to itthat do keep people.
They make it more difficult for people.
There's like more actual 3D obstacles for people in space.
And at the same time, sitting around being poor about it and

(45:26):
whining about it and being sad about it is actually not helping
the world or you. And you do have agency.
I'm just wondering if we can maybe comment on that aspect of
it, because I do know in the spiritual world, sometimes this
argument's made in a like very bypassy.
Well, he's poor because he choseto be poor.
If he wanted to be rich, he would be rich.
And that's just like a bypassy shitty way to relate to people.

(45:49):
And I would imagine in your work, you figured out how to
hold that, because you probably have people who are coming from
all over the place and all different kinds of backgrounds,
and they're still coming to thissame Nexus that you're teaching,
right, with the neutrality of all of it.
I do and so great that you that you're going there because I do.
I have people who come into the group who are like, you know,
they can, I mean, even this, the$17.00 a month to, to be in the

(46:11):
club is like, whoa, you know, that's a big decision.
And I have people who have millions of dollars and they're
like, you know, how do I invest it?
Right? So then how do you speak to and
help that range of people given that that's a that's it's all
different. It's like things flying around,
so many different things. I think that's one of the things
that that I take on is my work constantly as I manage my energy

(46:34):
and I listen in a way that allows me to meet people where
they are rather than OK, you know, here's, here's the way to
do it. As long as you're meeting
someone where they are, you're always connecting with their
core values. And we as authentic beings,
we're all the same. We all really want freedom, We
want love, we love to give. Like ultimately we're all going

(46:58):
towards the same end game, right?
It's just how, how do you get there and how do you meet people
there? I think that the old money
paradigm had the illusion that power and money were connected.
And we are still, by the way, witnessing the old money
paradigm around us every single day.
And that's frustrating as hell. I get that.
But it is crumbling. And the only way that we can

(47:20):
help it is to live in the new money paradigm, which is power
is not the amount of money you have.
Power is. Are you inspiring people?
And so it doesn't matter if someone lives in a mud Hut
somewhere, they can inspire people.

(47:41):
And once they connect with theirown power through inspiring
people, then they become Gandhi.And so yes, I get to a certain
degree that there are as far as a tier system, there are people
like myself who have been placedinto this with more of an easy

(48:01):
access point. I get that.
But you also have to get that I could have fucked it up just as
much. In fact, my brother struggled
and my brother passed away. So I know I've lived it first
hand that there is just as much access, quote UN quote, for
someone who lives in a Hut as there is for my brother.

(48:23):
And it doesn't come through money.
It comes through inspiration. And that's that is actually the
attraction point for money as well.
It's just that we reverse it. Inspire and then watch because
you've invited money in. Don't chase money because that's
the getting anything getting is old world world paradigm.

(48:47):
You can't get love, you let lovein.
You can't get money, you let money in.
It's by design. We're now living a life where we
are money and creativity comes to us by design.
And what we're doing is we are desperately trying to figure out

(49:08):
how do I live this? And it's a fun way to live.
I think that's the first thing you have to take on is money is
actually a source of joy. Yeah, yeah, I, I'm, I'm really
just loving this frame that you're putting on it.
Again. Mellie and I are pretty, I want
to say we go for the jugular a lot on the victim mindset of

(49:29):
things because we also don't like to sit in states of
powerlessness. And I would say we have even
argued, maybe not directly, but in a lot of ways that that's
maybe the larger issue in the world.
There are fewer perpetrators than there are victims.
And it's almost like if we, if we on the lower rungs of things,
you know, we're not in the top 1%, if that's even quantifiable.

(49:50):
I don't know where they get these statistics, but if we stop
seeing ourselves separate from that kind of possibility as
separate from having the access to have those things.
And also also, I think there's some assumption that if you have
money, your whole life is great,which I think is insane to me
that that might not be true. Maybe you do have a lot of money

(50:10):
and then the rest of your world is super whacked out and you
would rather be sitting at a table with a poor family that
actually has love and presence available and you don't have
that in your current life. Yeah, I, there's a book, The
Soul of Money that I read that really like that.
That was a big mind Bender for me because she was like the the
things that are happening in impoverished communities are the
same exact things that are happening in wealthy

(50:31):
communities. Just the amount of money is
different. That's literally the only
difference. It's the same like you said,
there's the greed and the using of people.
And I think her example was likein India, you know, moms will
chop off their baby's legs because then they're a little
more, you feel the, the Western culture feels bad because it's a
baby without a leg, but the mother cut the baby's leg off

(50:53):
and now has like relegated them to like continuing this poverty
mindset, which I just wanted to share a real world example of
like this is, this is like a real thing that Elizabeth is
commenting on. It's not just this concept that,
you know, poor people have a similar mindset to rich people,
but I think we're talking about illusions.
And I think this whole idea of up and down hierarchy is the

(51:15):
biggest illusion we have to shake out of all of this.
Because I can feel in my body, my body perceives that I have to
like climb like Mount Everest tohave access to my money.
But when you talk about it, it'slike, no, I just need to move
this out of the way. And now it's just going to flow
to me. I just need to go boop versus
I'm going to be striving my whole life.
Yeah, I'd like to talk about that actually.

(51:36):
I there, you know, I have many friends that, you know, tell me
some, some without money, some with money that really are
driven by this concept of like fear is a driving force.
I need to be afraid to get the thing because if I am not
afraid, I will become complacent.
I will be lazy. I will be all of these things

(51:59):
and I will lose momentum. So they really almost like they
are afraid of not being afraid. And I'd love to talk about, you
know, I'd love to speak to that person because I think that
there's a lot of them out there.And I think myself, I am maybe
one of those people on some level.
And, you know, there's, we're talking a lot about allowing,

(52:21):
we're talking about letting, we're talking about, you know,
this idea of like, yeah, just letting things be and allowing
them to evolve and following thenatural path of things.
And I think that there is this really big fear around, you
know, doing that and finding outthat you're not made of the

(52:44):
stuff you thought you were finding out that if you really
surrender that you're just goingto be kind of lame.
And, and I and yeah, and I thinkthat there's, there's, there's a
piece there that I think people need to to hear about what are
we falling on? If we're not falling on the

(53:05):
momentum of fear, what's holdingus?
God, this is like, OK, so I mean, I just even want to pause
here and say then I was thinkingthis a few minutes ago and I,
you know, I did, I didn't say it, but like the two of you are
are it is it is dead set. You will be multimillionaires

(53:25):
because you are so connected where you are in life and what
you're doing in life and how open.
And your level of understanding,I just have to say is like mind
blowing. And even just what you guys are
offering here and what you're saying in the way that you
capture this. Like I know I'm 100% certain you

(53:47):
could mess up the next 50 thingsthat you do and you still will
be a multimillionaire because you are so, so connected and
what you're doing for people andwhat you're doing for yourself
and even just this conversation,you're bringing more money.
You're bringing money in to whatis already your world.

(54:07):
And you're being so real about the fact that, you know, we are
still struggling with this idea of, you know, maybe we need a
little bit of the fear. Maybe we need a little bit of
the suffering. Because who the hell are we if
we don't have it? Are we just going to be some,
like, boring Yogi who sits thereand gets fat and contributes

(54:29):
nothing to the world? And it's like nobody wants to be
around. And it's like, just gets old.
And then all of a sudden, like 20 years are gone by and we've
done nothing. Like, seriously.
But that is actually the fear, which is so fascinating, right?
That is actually the fear. And it all goes back to we're
desperately afraid of the most powerful version of us because

(54:53):
we feel like that version is outof control.
Like, what if it can't? I mean, I go through this as
well. I just went through.
I just came home from being gonefor five weeks.
And this happens to me every time I ground in.
I love my home as a sanctuary and I get a lot of work done
here, but I also have had some amazing opportunities come into

(55:15):
my life recently which are mind blowing.
And I've done some interviews and things like that.
And it's almost like the energy's so big that I felt
myself like in a state of almostlike an anxious resistance of
it, right? It's just like, but again, it's
like I had to remind myself it'snot related.

(55:38):
It's not related. There is a lack that is in
within within me and that's all it is.
It's a lack. They call it resistance, call it
anxiety, call it whatever you call it that is in there because
of probably 555 different things.
So my depersonalization of it was the escape route of it.

(56:00):
But I think that we have to recognize that that process that
you just described isn't actually something we're trying
to escape. The process is normal.
The way that we react to the process is what we're trying to
escape. And the more that we accept the
fact that holy shit, as our lifeexpands, it is supposed to feel

(56:21):
like that shirt doesn't fit anymore.
It is supposed to feel like I'm about to lose it all.
It is supposed to feel like I cannot keep my arms around this.
Because if it didn't feel like that, then we would never have
any reason to leave that old version behind sitting on the
road. And it's our resistance of that

(56:42):
that is costing US energy. And then we get stuck in that
because we don't want to feel that anymore, when really the
only way to not feel that anymore is to let that version
sit on the side of the road and to actually allow the freedom of
the new version, which we don't know who he or she is.

(57:03):
We have no idea. And it's scary as hell.
And I'm glad we're having this conversation because I don't
care how much money you have, weall feel the same.
Yeah, that's a, that's a really great equalizer to just
consider, you know, in those moments where, and sometimes
this has pulled me through some very difficult things where I'm

(57:24):
just like, feel like I'm going to fall apart.
And yeah, like I'm a total mess.And I have no clue how I'm going
to like, what am I even going todo tomorrow, much less like
right now in this moment. And I, I have settled in like,
OK, there's someone else out there feeling this, like someone
else. At least one other person is
feeling something like how I'm feeling.
And it kind of honestly, there'sa there's a big arrogance, a

(57:48):
big, big, big arrogance. I think in conversations around
money, especially where people are committed to not making
money and they're committed, Yeah.
And they're committed to making others wrong who do, who do make
money or people who focus on money or people who study money.
There's an arrogance in it. And when I say arrogance, I'm
really meaning like the centering of the self.
And I love, I love your whole conversation and, and the

(58:10):
baseline argument here, which isthis is all connected to your
authenticity. This like new paradigm, this new
era that this new like spaciousness that I think a lot
of you know, social justice is maybe distorted, but fighting
for is we all need space to be our authentic selves.
If you are not living into your authentic self, if you're not

(58:31):
being the most joyful, healthy, powerful, scared out of control
version of yourself, then what you're doing is playing small.
You're not offering your gifts, you're not inspiring people.
And if you're not doing those things, I would argue those
things are taking more from the world around you because you're
turning into a sinkhole of depression, of anxiety, of
complaints, of, you know, peoplepleasing and then becoming

(58:54):
resentful. The energy you're putting out
into the world is a lot more damaging than, you know, the the
douchebag multimillionaire who'sat least providing value with
his products or his service or whatever.
He's actually, despite all the error of his ways, adding more
value to the world than you are staying stuck in your hamster
wheel and, you know, feeling sadand woeful about yourself on the

(59:17):
floor thinking you're the only fucking person who's this stuck.
You're the only person who hurtsthis much.
You're the only person who blah,blah, blah, blah, blah.
I just, I love that. I, I just love everything that
you're saying. It's, it's kind of like kicking
my pants into gear of like this whole victim mentality thing
that we have going on. Especially in a country that's
free. Despite all of the fuckery, we

(59:37):
still have a lot of freedom. We have a lot of access to
resources. The fact that three women can
get on this podcast and talk about this stuff right now is a
lot more than most women in the world have access to.
You're right. Maybe I'm going to stop in Boo
hooing and and bring more creativity to my money and bring
more joy to my money, even if itfucking hurts.
And it's terrifying because that's better me trying and

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doing that. Then I'm a sad sack who's going
to bitch and drink beer until I die.
I love it. Oh my God, I love it.
You, I mean, and you're, you're inspiring right now by the way,
you are inspiring all of us because what you're doing is in
this moment, you have pulled yourself out of the matrix and

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you are rising, rising. Out of The Matrix, and if
anybody's seen that movie, all of that was scary.
I know all of that was terrifying.
I want to watch it again, actually, because it's been so
many years since I saw it. I was thinking that the other
day. It's like, I want to write
because it's going to feel like more.
It'll feel different now, right?It's like you read that book

(01:00:42):
that second time and you're like, oh, I didn't notice.
That yeah, it's, it's even more accurate now lately.
I watched it last year. I watched all.
I watched the first three. I maybe there's 4, but the
three. And I was like, this is exactly
what's happening in our society.This is exactly what waking up
is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Totally. Yeah, Amazing.
I, I just want to kind of groundthe conversation into what I'm

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really taking away from this right now.
And that is that it is the conversation is not necessarily
about money, like money is a byproduct of the conversation
that we're having. And the conversation that we're
having is really about, like yousaid, live joy and, or
abundance, joy and authenticity.And I'm thinking about, you

(01:01:29):
know, and mine and lives lived experience, our first move
towards that to like grounded ina practical example, I feel like
is, is creating Bay philosophy. Bay philosophy is our money if
we're thinking about it in termsof what's generating the most

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creativity, authenticity, joy and love in our lives.
And I think that in the beginning of Bay philosophy, Liv
and I struggled so much because it was like what we have to make
money. This has to be a thing.
It we put all of these expectations on what it was
going to be, but we quickly snapped out of that space and

(01:02:14):
realized that we were going to do this either way.
We were going to do this if it made us multi millionaires and
we were going to do this if we never made a dime from it
because it's what we love. And I think that is where it's
this conversations really landing for me is in that space
of like, no, it doesn't actuallymatter.

(01:02:34):
The money is going to come to meif I just continue to be
authentic and if I'm doing thesethings for the right reasons.
And it doesn't matter if it comes either way, because this
thing brings me so much the money is.
It's not even something that I have to think about or worry

(01:02:55):
about or focus on, because I am constantly rising and rising and
growing and expanding and evolving in the face of this hot
pink sign. Yes, but totally, yeah.
Yes. Yeah.
And, and ultimately, that is where I think it goes wrong.

(01:03:17):
It goes wrong when we say we're going to do this and I want to
make this much money from this or I'm going to do this because
this has to be this certain thing for me.
And I'm going to do this becauseif I do this, it's going to give
me this thing and I'm going to make sure that it does.
And if it doesn't, then it's going to be a failure.
Yes. So many conditions.
Right. It's a lot.
And ultimately at the end of theday, it's like babe, philosophy

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is the thing that we're connected to, that it just, it
cannot fail because there is 0 expectation, because we're doing
it for the pure love of the thing.
There is no opportunity for failure here.
There is going to be a lot of stumbling and learning and
eating shit, but there's never going to be failure because

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there isn't the expectation of what it has to be.
I love it. Me too.
I'm glad you put it that way because that's totally what's
happening and I'm into that failure freeze.
Yeah, yeah. That's amazing.
Yeah. Thank you so much, Elizabeth.
This conversation has been so fruitful and.
So. Juicy.
Oh my, holy crap, I'm, I'm actually blown away by your

(01:04:24):
perspective and I'm actually so,so grateful that you exist
because I just, I just know thatyour, your way of thinking is, I
mean, I'm sure it's changed so many lives and I know it's just
going to keep shifting the worldand I, and I genuinely feel like

(01:04:46):
you're doing God's work. Yeah, I know.
Seriously, Your philosophy is babelicious.
Yeah. For sure.
Thank you. God, I appreciate that so much,
so much. I mean that like, that's
abundance for me because then Mike, OK, well, how can I manage
my energy better? How can I, You know, it's just
about how can this come through more?

(01:05:07):
How can I connect with more people and this opportunity to
connect with you guys and just the way we Co created this, it's
just absolutely incredible. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Amazing. Yes, absolutely wonderful.
Yeah, Well, we know you have a really lovely offer for our
listeners, which we're excited to share.
And then you can also just sharewhere everybody can connect with
you because I'm sure people willwant to after this.

(01:05:31):
Well, they can find me on Instagram at Elizabeth Ralph
just, you know, first and last name, or they can go to the
spiritual investor.com so they can find, you know, things
there. The spiritual investor podcast.
I think, you know, that's probably a good landing space.
But anyone who's listening to this, we're actually going to
give them a free coupon to get into the SI Club, which is the

(01:05:54):
spiritual investor membership, and they can come in for a month
for free and just try it. And so if you guys want to put a
link there or they can find it, you can find it on Instagram or
the website. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I'll put it in the show notes, yeah.
Yeah. So I would say, I would say
definitely try that. I mean, there's, it's kind of

(01:06:15):
one of those things like, what can you do that, you know, is it
going to interrupt your life toomuch?
But it's going to kind of weave into your life.
You know, we set it up where I, I know time is a big thing for
people. So we try and set things up
where it's like, OK, can you come in and spend 10 minutes and
what can you get from this? And even just listening to this

(01:06:36):
episode, like, you know, it is my, it's my hope that when
someone listens to this or even a piece of this, something
either I said or you guys said, even if it's just one thing and
they can go out there and bring more power into the moment that
they get in front of someone or that they talk to their child or

(01:06:59):
that they think of their money or whatever.
Like if they can just bring morepower, that shift, it's like a
ripple effect. And I think that's probably the
most fascinating thing for me islike, then you see the ripple
effect and you feel the momentumand the synchronicities.
And then you go, holy shit, I amliving and playing in the world,

(01:07:19):
the new world of money, and I'm not feeling like I need to fix
everything and feel so bad aboutthat old way of being I used to
have. So whatever route get you there
I think. Amazing.
It's beautiful. Awesome.
Well thank you for that awesome hook up and thank you so much
for being here today. It's been so mind blowing in so

(01:07:42):
many ways. We are so appreciative of you
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(01:08:04):
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