October 20, 2024 • 59 mins
How can brain science and spiritual growth work hand-in-hand to heal emotional wounds? Join us as we sit down with Susan Wright, the founder of Loved Into Life, to uncover her revolutionary approach to heart healing. Susan’s ministry goes beyond traditional methods, integrating cutting-edge brain science and deep spiritual principles to address long-standing emotional pains. She passionately discusses her mission to make Jesus real to people and how living from the heart instead of past traumas can lead to profound transformation.
In this inspiring conversation, Susan shares real-life examples of miraculous healing and the significant impact unresolved emotional issues can have on physical health. We delve into how negative belief systems and parental deficits shape our self-worth and worldview. Susan’s insights reveal the holistic approach needed to dismantle these barriers, integrating spirit, soul, and body for complete healing. Whether you’ve experienced minor emotional disturbances or severe traumas, Susan emphasizes that true freedom and restoration through faith are attainable, and you don't need to relive the trauma.
Discover how recognizing and transforming triggers rooted in past trauma can lead to deeper healing and alignment with your faith. Susan explains how embracing our true identity in Christ allows us to live in abundance and let go of old coping mechanisms. Learn practical steps to reconnect with yourself and God, and how this process can improve relational dynamics and communication in both personal and professional settings. This episode is a powerful testament to the life-changing potential of integrating brain science with spiritual truths, enabling you to live a more fulfilling and connected life.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, I'm Lenora Turner, host of Back to One
Podcast.
I haven't been recording for awhile but I just really wanted
to record an episode with SusanWright.
She started something calledLoved Into Life and it's about
heart healing in a way that istransformational.
It includes brain science.
(00:22):
It includes you know why we getstuck or why things trigger us
or why we struggle so long withsome of the same pains and how
it can really be mended.
Your heart can completely bemade whole, and I mean it
doesn't mean it necessarily allhappens at once, but certain
things will happen at once or atthat single time with Susan.
(00:46):
Or if you learn the principles,you can absolutely do it all by
yourself.
This is a good hour episode.
Please listen.
If you struggle with anxiety ordepression or anger or different
patterns in your life, you'rethinking how do I get out of
this?
You don't realize it might besomething where your heart's
(01:07):
kind of broken.
You have had no idea how to getsome healing for it.
That's been me in a few casesand I've learned a lot from
other people and personal growththings in my life.
So we're going to talk about alot of things.
But please listen to this.
Take the time to learn aboutLoved Into Life and Susan Wright
.
And again, I am now doing thisstuff all on my own when things
(01:33):
come up and I'm helping otherpeople with some real stuff.
So I'll stop talking and gointo this episode.
I hope you listen to the wholething.
Enjoy.
I'm just going to dive right in, let's do it.
Yeah, susan Wright, I am soexcited and honored and blessed
(01:54):
to have you as a guest on thispodcast.
Thank you so much for takingthe time for this conversation.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Wow, lenora.
It's my passion to share this,and so it's a great honor and
privilege for us to have thistime together, and it's my
prayer that whoever listens toit will receive an impartation
and awareness and understandingof who Jesus is, who they are
and how loved they are.
Are and how loved they are tosee that he really does want to
(02:28):
have a very unique personalrelationship with all of us and
for us to thrive.
He wants us to thrive in unionwith him and others, and so
that's my heart behindeverything I do.
It's interesting I heard a TVshow that Catherine Coleman was
interviewing Amy.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Simple, I love.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Catherine Coleman.
I know, isn't she great.
She was interviewing Amy SybilMcPherson's children, wow, and I
know, and I was like what?
That's a pretty unique show,right.
And she was talking with thosechildren.
She said I was at your mom'sgrave and I was standing behind
some people and there was a ladythat was talking with her child
(03:06):
and said this lady mentored meand I didn't even know her.
And she said the way that shementored me was she made Jesus
real to me and Lenora, that thatis like seared into me.
That's I live to.
Let that be the legacy that theLord would use me and reflect
(03:29):
himself in that, when I'm aroundpeople, that Jesus becomes more
real.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Oh, absolutely.
And we haven't even told theaudience really who you are yet
and I will do a separate littleintro for that anyway.
But I met you about two yearsago at what it was at church in
Seattle, near Seattle,washington, eden, newcastle, and
I thought, okay, I really likedyou.
I thought, wow, it's veryobvious that Jesus is a center
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of this and that should be trueof anyone who's quote
ministering or helping peopleand believe in Jesus Christ.
But it was so evident.
That is your key focus and andit's not just let's tell you
what he did 2,000 years ago it'sthis is what he's doing right
now, because he already dideverything, it's a finished work
(04:18):
.
And then I watched people'slives be transformed in front of
my eyes.
I believe in, I'm all in, Ibelieve in everything he says in
the Bible in the sense of Istudied, actually studied, blood
covenant when I went to Bibleschool.
That was my term paper, for mysecond year was a 30 page paper
on blood covenant, knowing it'slike marriage God's all in, it's
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everything.
His, his property is everythingis all in.
And so I heard and I saw thatsuch a present day
representation in what you'redoing, that's what it is.
He's still all in, he's stillright here, he is alive, but
he's not alive somewhere else.
He's alive and right in themiddle of what we need.
(05:02):
So I remember saying when therewas a Q and a at the end and I
said do you have a book?
Cause I'm like I've soughtdifferent things I and I already
have.
God has helped me many ways.
But I went you have explainedthis so well, please write a
book.
And then you I met you againthis year this earlier this year
again, watching like somepeople have seen physical
(05:23):
healing.
I've received physical healingmultiple ways.
I don't have time for thosekind of stories, but I was like
God, I want to see more forheart healing.
People are struggling, there'sso much hurt and then I'm going
in here.
It is this is the best,quickest example, and there's
some great things out there,great tools out there, but this
was so right now, in front of myface, I'm watching hearts be
(05:45):
mended and it's been happeningto me and now I'm starting to
help other people.
So your ministry is calledLoved Into Life.
So, susan, how did you end upcalling it that?
I love the name and tell usmore about who Susan is and how
you got even doing what you do.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Wow, that's a lot to unpack.
This is going to be a four hourpodcast.
That's right, but just in short,lenora, the loved into life was
.
It took me a long time tofinally land on a name that I
was happy with.
The phrase living from yourheart, not your history,
actually came first and that's atagline, or beyond it.
(06:24):
Not your history actually camefirst and that's a tagline, or
beyond it.
And then it was like, okay,we've got the phrase, now what
is it?
What is it?
And it was just.
It happened.
One day.
It was like, yes, I say thisall the time when I'm working
with people he's loving you intolife.
He's loving you into life.
And it was like, of course,that's the name Loved into life,
living from your heart, notyour history.
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And the way this whole thinghappened was quite a surprise.
It wasn't a planned thing.
I wasn't one of these that hada vision from the Lord that this
is what your mandate in life is.
I was on my own journey, lenora.
I needed my own transformation.
I suffered a lot of things thatno person should ever suffer as
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a child and, as a result, lifewas very scary for me.
People were very scary to me,and when I got born again, my
life started transforming,obviously, but throughout the
years, more would surface, as Iwould, I'd be ready.
More would surface, and so Iwas on this journey for myself,
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and as I did that, I literallywent around the world looking
for the next anointed thing thatwas happening.
It was a journey, it was a questfor Jesus, for more of Jesus.
The passion that reallymotivated me was I tasted and I
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saw that he is good.
When I first got baptized inthe Holy Spirit, I had an
encounter with his love thatundid me spirit.
I had an encounter with hislove that undid me, and so it
opened up, with inside of me anawareness that there's more, an
awareness that's more.
And so the quest for knowingmore of his love and knowing him
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in a more intimate way, andanything that would hinder that
flow was my desire.
And as he meets us right and hetransforms us and he heals us
and he delivers us and he setsus free, because that's who he
is, yeah and yeah, so manythings.
I went to everything that wasavailable.
Anytime I heard of any kind offruit, I was.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I went, cause you're saying you had a lot of
depression in the past right,which is rampant these days too,
and you had a lot of depressionin the past right, which is
rampant these days too.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I had a lot of things .
Depression was one thing.
I had a lot of fear.
I had a lot of confusion.
I had a lot of very strongattachment, fear and pain of
losing the people that I loved.
I had a lot of things that werechurning on the inside, that
were very contradictory to whatit means to have an abundant
life, and depression was one ofthem, of course.
(09:08):
And I tell people, there's nottoo much.
I didn't go through that.
He redeemed me from and he setme free from.
I'm just, I'm humbled and blownaway.
Many times.
When people say, susan, tell meabout yourself, I can say let me
just tell you I'm a walkingmiracle.
I'm a walking miracle.
I'm a walking miracle.
But, lenore, the thing I liketo focus in on is not so much
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what the enemy did to my life,but what the Lord did, and he's
transforming me and changing meevery day, and the reason that
Loved Into Life even came intoexistence is because of the
fruit of what he has done in mylife.
I would get a measure ofbreakthrough and people would
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say what happened?
And I'd say you can have it too.
I'd get another measure, youcan have it too.
Another measure, you can haveit too, and I had a lot of
friends that were therapists atthe time and they would say,
look, you know how to talk tothese people from the inside out
.
Will you help me with myclients?
And so I started doing it thatway.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
When you say how to breakthrough that's a term, I
understand that.
Sometimes it's just so thrownaround, but what did they see
that saw something's different.
When you say breakthrough, whatis that?
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Many things and I use that word to be all inclusive
but the biggest and the mostsignificant changes, I will say,
were that of not beingdepressed but being more filled
with joy and being more present,more relational, more motivated
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, more entering into life, moreproductive, the fruit of what it
looks like to be thriving, andso any kind of marker that I had
that wasn't that they could seea significant change and
freedom and say, wow, you werethat and now you're different,
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and the breakthroughs are somultiple.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I could go into several of them, but it's
basically they could see thatsomething happened yeah, you
actually were a person that yourdepression was actually gone
and it wasn't a pill that did it.
You could see that you actuallycould sit still and be peaceful
.
I can tell you because you andI have worked together very
recently on something and I'mlike my brain is not trying to
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figure everything out constantly.
I didn't realize how much, notconstantly but I thought, wow,
it's actually not being themachine, that it was.
You just see that or the oh.
I don't have that tight in myheart that I did, and I've heard
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some of the stories from otherteam members you've had.
Total sicknesses have gone away.
Tangible change, actual shift,an actual difference from a
single encounter Again, that'sanother word that's thrown
around a lot, but Jesus actuallydoing what he does because he
paid for it all.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Exactly so, to your point.
Every time I sit with a person,I see a miracle.
Every time when that person isthere in front of me, I watch
the Lord Jesus transformsomething that was birthed from
an experience that never shouldhave happened.
And it was their way, theircoping mechanism, it was their
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thinking pattern, it was theirway they felt, the way they live
.
The list goes on.
Because every experience thatwe've had in our entire life
creates belief systems.
They have to want it, theirwill has to be wanting this and
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desire to appear there.
And we begin to connect and webegin to allow the Lord to
dismantle that and destroy andcompletely do the divine
exchange of what was broken andwhat was built from something
that was not his heart.
And we see that divine exchange.
Then he really does transformus, he really does change our
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brain, he really does change thewiring.
I literally watch a miracle ofthat particular belief, that
particular thing that we bringbecause it's got a strong hold
on somebody.
It could be a strong hold.
I don't like to put a label onit because it's got a strong
hold on somebody.
It could be a strong hold.
I don't like to put a label onit because it limits, because,
quite frankly, I like to usethis phrase, this is the phrase
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I like to use a lot If itdoesn't look like Jesus, then
it's an opportunity to betransformed, and so I've seen
physical healings.
A friend of mine was gettingready to have gallbladder
surgery and we worked with allthe things that were around that
, the belief systems, the fears,the structures, the thing, all
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that her body took on becauseour body takes on things,
everything that was around thatwe started dismantling it as
Holy Spirit allowed us to andled us into the places, to the
point that 10 days later shedidn't have to have gallbladder
surgery because she was healed.
So there's physical, emotional,all kinds of transfer, anything
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that Jesus died for.
He said that you can have it.
You can have it, yeah, and ourspirit, soul, body is all
connected.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
So if you're stressed out all the time or depressed
all the time, that's impactingyour health, that's impacting
your mind.
All of it works together.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, in fact, medical science is now reporting
that 95% of all diseases nottraumatic accidents, of course,
but diseases or have theirsystem in an emotional upset of
some sort.
That's pretty phenomenal whenyou think about it.
We're very interconnectedspirit, soul and body.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, and I've heard enough and had different friends
in the past.
That helped me, thank God I'dheard different things and then
I saw the validation of whatthey were telling me about the
connection and the physicalimpact, because at first it
sounded like this is hooky pookystuff.
Come on, you know, just eatbetter or just whatever.
And I went oh, and I'd startseeing how it was impacting
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myself.
But again my passion, becauseI've been through some rough
stuff, nothing like what somepeople have been through but,
even the milder versions ofscary, chaotic upbringings can
make pretty crippling impacts aswell, so it doesn't really
matter.
What it is you're facing is.
What are you stuck in, can you?
(15:46):
I could already want to goseveral different directions,
but I want to ask a questionfirst, and then a shift into a
little bit on the brain science.
Can you say something, a bitabout the range of things you
work with, and then I want totalk a bit about the brain
science and why we get stuckfrom past things yes, of course.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
So I really have a strong belief system that when
Jesus says it is finished, thenit's all inclusive and it means
that it really is finished.
And he really did pay the pricefor our freedom.
No matter what happened to usor no matter what we've done as
a result of that, he is ourvictory and he paid the price
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for us to enter into thefullness of the freedom that he
set before us.
And all of this happened,lenora, before the foundation of
the earth.
He died before the foundationof the earth.
So there are no surprises withhim.
He lives outside of time.
He's all-knowing, he'sall-present and he's
all-powerful.
And when he and the Trinity,when they were dreaming of us
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and prophesying about us, theymade full provision for us to
enter into all that they dreamedthat we would live in.
And I really know that, nomatter what an individual is
suffering, no matter what anindividual is going through, he
has made a way so many times.
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People that suffer really roughstuff.
People feel powerless to helpthem, and I would, too, if I
looked at their situation.
For instance, I don't know ifyou've heard of satanic ritual
abuse survivors.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I've heard of it.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, so people have been purposely hurt, purposely
subjected to inhumane things,and it's overwhelming if you
listen to their stories and youthink it seems to be impossible.
But with the Lord all thingsare possible and I can.
I say to you right now thatwhen I work with people that
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have gone through that and I'mseeing them transform and
thriving and entering back intolife and knowing their value,
their worth and their freedom,and so I don't limit anyone the
way I look at it, if they've gota heart and a desire for Jesus,
if they've got a desire to nolonger live that way, then I'll
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team up with them.
I've seen marriages restored.
I've seen teenagers, children,just all kinds of freedom from
depression, from anxiety, fromspiritual abuse, from all kinds
of different other types ofabuse, as well as the things
that don't seem to be as obviousare actually, in my opinion,
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the worst many times, and thatis the things that we did not
receive, that we were meant toreceive.
The Lord created us to be ableto be fully loved, fully valued,
fully seen and thrive thriveand to thrive in this world.
But our parents all havedeficits.
Too Many times we didn educatedus that kind of thing, but they
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didn't know how to help us withour inner world, with our
thoughts, with our feelings likethat, and so many times we live
in a place where the world justis not safe because we weren't
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ever connected to that thatdeficit of your parent ends up
becoming your belief system ofI'm not worth it.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
You convinced because you come in, I mean your
parents like god to you in thesense of they're responsible for
your safety, for everything,and so you all the beliefs that
you get from.
Like you said, what you didreceive, what you didn't receive
is what how you interpret lifeand how you interpret your
normal and but that that can bepeople's normals are all over
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the map.
They can be, oh wow, that'spretty amazing.
Like you had others, like itwas normal for you to have in
hell, that you were walkingthrough or somewhere in the
middle.
Or, like you said, you canbelieve but you don't realize it
.
You have a deep-seated beliefsthat you're not valuable and
don't realize that's where itcame from all those.
There's so many facets yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
So many facets.
And so when the individual isin front of me, like I say, it's
like holy ground and I listenand try to connect with what the
holy spirit is highlighting forthem, because he wants to love
them into life yeah, let's talka little bit about the brain
science, because I know thatit's biblically based that jesus
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did pay for these things.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
He, he died on the cross to to take all of this off
of us and was resurrected toprove that he did it.
It was done.
It was done for our sake.
He didn't do this for his saketo prove something or be a
martyr or something it was toset us free, not show us how to
suffer, but to set us free fromsuffering.
So but the brain science?
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We look at that.
Why do we get stuck like we do?
Why do people get so stuck?
What's going on?
Because I'd never quite evenheard that verse.
A double-minded person isunstable in all their ways.
The way you communicated it, II went.
How did I not know this?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Okay, I love to talk about the brain science because
it's another way to talk aboutscripture, because anything that
is relevant in brain science isgoing to have a presence in the
scripture, because we, as weknow, it's all there.
It's all there and on my ownjourney, I would go through
anything anybody told me to do.
I was like in it and on it anddoing it, and why?
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To be more intimate with theLord, to be more one in one with
him, to be more united with him.
I've always had a passion toknow him, to connect with him
more and more.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Because when you meet him, there's no place better to
be, there's no one better toknow.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Exactly.
But I knew there was thingsthat were hindering me from
fully getting there and fullyreceiving it.
And it was like why do I havethis internal tug of war when my
belief system, my faith, mystance is Jesus and then why do
I have this internal fear orthings that hinder that
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connection?
And it didn't make a bit ofsense to me, especially when I
would read scriptures like betransformed by the renewing of
your mind, and I would be sodiligent to not think things
that weren't lined up with thescripture weren't from his heart
, and yet it didn't seem like itwas really going anywhere with
me in these deep unconscious,these deep driving, innate
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feelings, these innate.
It was such a mystery.
It's like why am I doingeverything I know to do and it's
putting myself in the presenceand doing everything and it's
still not landing in these deepplaces?
And then I started the brainscience frontier started opening
up and the brain imaging andpeople started understanding
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more and more about how wehumans are designed and there's
a lot of revelation that theybring forth that I love.
But one thing that was massivefor me is to understand that we
have a thinking brain and anexperiential brain and of course
we know that, but the way thatthese neuroscientists
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articulated it was that everysingle experience that we've had
creates belief systems, createsbelief systems, and these
belief systems are part of ourthinking brain as well as our
experiential brain, which meansthe subconscious, and so the
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subconscious messages and when Isay messages I'm talking body
sensations, feelings, thoughts,structures, coping mechanisms,
fears, all anything like that.
I call that a message from mysubconscious and a belief system
from our subconscious.
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And so I realized it startedmaking sense to me.
Oh wow, we've actually got twodifferent brains in us that are
communicating to us.
And then the scripture thatsays a double-minded man is
unstable in all his ways startedmaking sense, because I would
know that the Lord loves me andyet I would feel unlovable.
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I would know that the Lord saidhe would set me free and I
couldn't get there.
I would know that I'm hisbeloved, so why did I feel like
such a reject?
I would know that the joy ofthe Lord is my strength.
So why would I feel oppressed?
Why would I feel depressed?
Why would I feel sad?
Why couldn't I shake it?
And so what neuroscience helpedme unpack was that scripture
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that I had two very differentcommunications going on One was
my thinking and one was myexperiential.
And so as I began to ventureinto learning how to unpack and
bring the transformation processinto my experiential brain,
that is when everything startedchanging for me.
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Everything.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Wow, I again love it and it helped me understand
better to go, oh, instead ofthinking God, I know I should
trust God.
I know the scriptures.
I know a bunch of scripturesabout why it's trustworthy.
I have a big Harkin BindsExpository Dictionary and the
Naves Topical Bible.
When I was fighting for joy, Iwould mark and I'd be speaking
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and I had some progress.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I did have progress, and I did see results.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
The word of god is everything to me, yes, yes.
But then you're like why am Istruggling?
So we, we take a look at thatand you speak to it in this
amazing, beautiful I mean you,just you.
You see, god's gifted you tosee very well, and you've been
doing this for a long time andthen we invite jesus right in
and healing happens in a waythat is profound.
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Yes, and should be.
Of course, that would happen toall of us yes, and you know
what it does happen.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
It's already made available for us, and the
exciting thing about this,lenora, is that it's available.
No one misses out.
Everyone can have this.
But what we have to do is wehave to remember.
We have to remember that Jesusis alive himself.
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Jesus is our word, he is theway, he is the truth, he is the
life, he is experiential rightthis minute.
In our western culture, we havedissected many things and we've
made it.
We've made so much of our life,not just our spiritual life,
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but we've made so much of ourlife in general a thought
process rather than a relationalconnection.
And so what has happened to usis we're both a thinking and an
experiential person.
He loves our thinking brain.
He loves it and he wants itfilled with the knowledge of the
Lord.
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He wants us to be soaked ineverything that the word says
memorize it, take it in, consumeyourself, be transformed.
If a thought isn't Jesus,change it, have another one,
make it Jesus.
So he wants our thinking braintransformed, but he also wants
our experiential braintransformed.
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But we cannot do it just byhaving another thought in our
intellect.
It has to be an experience.
It has to be an experience.
It has to be an experience, anexperience based on the two
greatest commandments that Jesusspoke of when he was on this
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earth.
He said everything can besummed up in these two great
commandments Love the Lord, yourGod, with everything,
everything.
And love your neighbor as youlove yourself.
Everything can be summed up inthose two, so you can just take
a deep dive into the realms ofall.
That means all that we could doit for eternity, and not unpack
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the fullness of what that means, because it's the foundation of
union.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Igniting my heart with him, with myself and with
others.
And that's what he's asking forus to come together and to be
loved.
And so what we do in Loved IntoLife is an invitation into the
experiential transformationprocess of the part of us that I
like to say many times it's theright brain versus the left
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brain.
But it's the right brain, it'sthe subconscious, it's all the
nonverbal.
The left brain, but it's theright brain, it's the
subconscious, it's all thenonverbal, it's the relational,
it's the part of us that doesn'thave to think, but it's
actually a knee-jerk reaction,it's a response, it's core, it's
much faster than the thinkingbrain.
We know before we know.
Our thinking brain is the lastplace to know anything and it's
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filtered through so many thingsthat it's very unreliable, very
unreliable.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
And so that's what's running us.
It's really what we've alreadybelieved and been convinced of
and persuaded of experienced.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Exactly.
And yeah, to your point earlierwhen you were talking about,
you've done this to get the joy.
That's great Good job, becausewhat you've done is you've
established what I like to callthe plumb line, the standard,
and I'll go back to the phraseagain if it doesn't look like
Jesus, it becomes an opportunity.
Okay, let's establish the plumbline to be Jesus, trinity,
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jesus, the word, and I say thatgood theology is Jesus, so good
theology is always going to.
That was a quotation fromsomeone, I don't know who, but I
love it Because yeah, that'smine, because Jesus is good
theology, right.
So if it's not Jesus, itbecomes an opportunity, and what
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that means is let's get ourleft brain standard.
Yes, as for me and my house, wewill serve the Lord.
I align my will.
I align my thinking, I align whoI am, and I'm not tolerating
anything other than Jesus.
And so if something pops itshead up as a message, feeling, a
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lie, a trick, an oppression,anything, then what's happened
is you have just heard, you havejust heard a message from
something that you experiencedhistorically.
So you just heard a messagefrom a historic event, and so
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that's when we begin to unpackthat historic event in our
subconscious.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
And is that really similar to what people call that
inner child work?
But I know you have some realperspective on that that I love,
because we're not runningaround with a pack of little
kids inside of us or something,because we're not running around
with a pack of little kidsinside of us or something.
But yet there is some realtruth to where you got stuck and
it's, and how the right braindoesn't track time, Like they
said.
The left brain or that thatpart that's very linear is
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operates very differently fromthe one that responded and felt
the impact of whatever happenedand got stuck there.
How did, how does that stuckhappen?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah.
So it's a lot like this, lenora.
If I ask your left brain,lenora, when did you learn how
to ride a bicycle?
Your left brain would give methe time, the date, the season,
the color of the bike, the agethat you were.
Now, if I ask your right brain,when did you learn how to ride
a bicycle?
You would feel the feelings,you would smell the smells, you
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would have an emotionalawareness of it was a good day,
it was a bad day, it was a funday.
Oh, I fell and broke my.
That wasn't so good.
Oh, the.
And then you would see yourselfat the age.
You would have a little minivideo sometimes and you would
say, oh, look there, I am, there, I was, and you could remember
yourself and the experientialaspects of it.
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And so that's how thedifference in the way these two
brains work.
And so when someone isexperiencing something that is
overwhelming, too big,unresolved where I like to use
this definition sometimes alone,without any help, all of these
kinds of things can leave usstuck in an event that is
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unresolved and it's still in us,it still is creating structures
that we live from, it's wiredinto us and the way that we, as
humans, work is we have beliefsystems inside of us based on
our experiences, and then,through association, those
belief systems are broughtforward.
If you walked into the kitchenand the water was running, you
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would know what to do, becauseyou're like, oh wow, I need to
turn that water off because youhave an association of how
everything works, howeverything's supposed to be, and
so you would know how tofunction.
And, in the same way, if youwalked into the kitchen and fire
was going on, you would knowhow to respond.
You've got triggers, you've gotthings like that.
If you walk into the kitchen andthere's a stranger, that would
bring up a whole nother set ofemotions, another set of belief
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systems, up a whole nother setof emotions, another whole
nother set of belief systems.
If you walked in and there wasyour mom, that would bring some
more, your sister, your brother.
All of these work throughassociation.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
And so what we want to do is we want to listen to
what, how we're responding andhow we're feeling, and what the
association brings up, and weneed to recognize, just like you
have another thought over hereyou need to recognize oh, I need
a new experience over here,because that experience did not
have the Lord's perspective init.
That was laced with fear, thatwas laced with trauma, that was
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laced with upset, and Jesus diedfor that.
And therefore it becomes anopportunity for me to have a new
experience and be transformed.
And so it's when you talk abouthim being stuck it's stuck, but
it's a little different fromalmost being stuck, it's more.
It's more like this If it has alife of its own.
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I don't know if you've everseen anybody put a virtual
reality headset.
I like that analogy.
Okay, when they put one ofthose on, they enter into an
alternate reality.
Yeah, yeah, if you see somebodywith got one of these realities
headsets on and they're likefencing someone, and then
they're like you know, you cansee them respond to what they're
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looking at Right, and itbecomes visceral, it becomes
experiential, and if you hookedmachines up to their body would
register that this is reallyhappening.
They would feel it, their bodywould know it.
All the chemical cascades, allthe responses, all the reflexes,
all the fear, happy, whatever,all of these things are going to
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be, through association,brought up, and so when the
person takes the headset off, ittakes them a minute to get
refocused back into reality.
Because, they're in an alternatereality, and this is what
happens when one of theseexperiences comes forward.
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We go into that reality andguess what?
We think, lenora?
We think it's really happeningto us.
It feels like it's reallyhappening to us, but it's not.
It's coming from somethinghistoric that did happen to us.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
So I want to see if I'm hearing this right Like, say
, someone is questioning you andthen you should just get so
easily offended by that, thatthat root of that is like why is
that person like it's alwayswalking on eggshells around them
and it can be that they attheir certain age they had to
defend themselves because theywere attacked all the time, or
whatever, and anytime somebodyquestions they go into.
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That I must, I don't know, it'sthe fight mode, because they
already that's just how they'regoing to try to protect
themselves.
That type of a thing is anotherexample.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Of course that's.
That would be an experientialcoping mechanism that worked as
a child or that was all that wasavailable to them, and yet
they'll be destroying theirrelationships.
Now, no-transcript.
And now we can.
I want to bring up this pointbecause I don't want people to
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say, oh, I'm just wired for that, and then make an excuse and
say, oh, oh, that behavior issomething that I really want to
be transformed from.
But until then, I'm going to beaccountable for it and not act
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and not hurt anyone not hurtmyself, not hurting anyone else
and have a behavior modificationthere till I'm transformed.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Some self-control.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
some choices there, Till I'm transformed.
Some self-control, some choicesthere, yeah some adult choices
Because we're not allowed tohurt other people, and that kind
of thing we have to beaccountable for and recognize,
unless we don't see it, and thenwe get to let other people show
us and then we get to work onit.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Well, you know what and I am a huge believer in
self-control and in makingchoices and in being responsible
for your own choices, yourbehaviors, not just saying this
is what I do or it was yourfault or it's always blaming
somebody else but I also haveseen people think that's the
only thing that theirchristianity really offers.
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Is I just got to be better atmaking this rule happen like and
you're it's like you thinkGod's looking at you
disappointed.
Unfortunately, there's a lot.
So much of that is thementality of even what God is
supposedly like.
It's a it's huge problem.
Well, I just you feel badbecause you screwed up again and
now I need to just stop doingthat and perform better for the
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Lord.
This, this is not what you'retalking about.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
No, I'm not talking about that at all.
That's why I say if it doesn'tlook like Jesus, it's an
opportunity.
Because you see what defines us, lenora?
The word of God himself definesus.
For believers, that means thatwe are a new creation.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Your video loves it.
When you do this, it puts up athumbs up thing.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yay.
So for believers, we're a brandnew creation.
We're one with him, we'regrafted in, we're in union with
him, we're seated in him.
For those that arepre-believers you're created in
his image and we're meant tohave a life where we can be
relational with ourselves,others, and we also want to have
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that wonderful relationshipwith the Lord as well, and he's
designed us to thrive, he'sdesigned us to live in that
abundant place and we get tohave that and anything else.
That is not that guess whatGuess what.
It's not who we are.
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It is not who we are.
It tells us what has happenedto us.
It does not define us.
It tells us what has happenedto us and how we've coped and
how we survived, but it does nottell us who we are.
And for that reason I say if itdoesn't look like who, the
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truth, our true self, then we'vejust gotten in touch with a
message, with something that isstuck, with something that is
historic, that does not defineus.
It becomes an opportunity forthat also to be transformed.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
When you're saying being who you really are, say a
bit more about that, because Iknow how that can be
misconstrued or not understood.
Because who we are, when you'veaccepted christ, you're now one
with him.
It says we're one spirit.
How much is that encompassed?
What does what he did accordingto?
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When you're born again, whenyou're born from above, you
totally receive what he did.
How much?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
change happened there yes.
Yes, exactly, according to theTrinity, then, the way he sees
us as what he died for.
When he said it is finished, hesaid there, it is this.
Now you have full access intoreceiving and being the you that
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I have created you to be, andso he sees us, just as we are.
So, lenora, the truth is thatwe're one with him.
The truth is that we're seatedwith him in heavenly places.
The truth is that we'reovercomers, that we are a brand
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new creation, that the oldthings have passed away, that we
died, we were buried and werose with him.
The truth is, we have the mindof Christ.
The truth is that we areambassadors from heaven to earth
.
The truth is that he sees us ashis bride, as his child, as his
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beloved, as his co-labor, hisco-ruler, his co reigner.
He sees us as the beloved ofhis heart.
He sees us as the joy that wasset before him as he was hanging
on the cross.
He sees us as part of thefamily, which is the Trinity.
He sees us as how we werecreated before the foundation of
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the earth.
Before the foundation of theearth, when they were
prophesying and dreaming andimagining us and creating us,
every one of us so uniquely,authentically one, authentically
different from each other.
He had a plan for each one ofus and he sees us through that
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lens.
And then Lenora, what he's doingin our life and in our journey,
he's inviting us into receivingthat.
Inviting us.
He said come on, be it.
Come on, be it.
When he spoke about theBeatitudes, he said this is who
you are.
It's impossible apart from me,because this is really who I am.
You can only do it in unionwith me.
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Come in, let go reckon thosethings dead, put off those other
things and put on.
So what we're doing is puttingoff and putting on.
Putting off and putting onreckoning the old man dead,
receiving the new man.
That's part of what we're doing.
We're receiving the finishedwork.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, you're speaking to so many scriptures.
If those that don't know muchBible, she's quoting a lot of
scriptures.
I love Ephesians 1, which talksabout what great pleasure God
took in planning for us, and hecommitted to deal with
everything before we were everformed.
He's already.
That's why I said he wascrucified before the world,
because when God's going to dosomething, he's going to do it.
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It actually happened at acertain time frame, but he's
been all in from the beginningand he's covered everything.
So it really is a change thathappened.
It's old things passed away.
All things have become new.
So having Jesus isn't a behaviormodification program in the
sense of now you're justsupposed to be a good girl
versus a bad girl.
It's for real life happening.
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He says I am the way, I am thetruth, I am the life.
It's not like I'm going to dosome good things and go away and
now act like me.
No, I'm with you, I'm in you.
Yield to me and it's not justchoosing it because it's a good
idea.
It's who I am in him and that'sthe safe place I'm convinced.
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If you don't know that there'ssome truth here, would you dare
face the scary things, theterrible things you believe
about yourself because ofwhatever happened, because I
don't want to find out.
Maybe I really am as worthlessas I felt.
But no, let him help youexperience how much he loves you
, because it is the truth.
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I can let those scary things go,because they're the lie.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, and that's the, that is the hard part, because
we have been many times.
We suppress things, we pushthings away, thinking that we
don't have to relive thembecause we didn't know what else
to do and we were so afraid ofour ourselves, really, because
we're afraid that if we openthat door to our inner world, to
our heart, then we'll beflooded with the very things
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that we couldn't handle thefirst time around.
And so we run, we hide, wemedicate, we do all kinds of
things to get rid of the pain Itried to just push it away.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Stop bugging me.
I'm going to try to do that anddidn't even realize that's my
own heart going.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
I hurt.
Please stop and listen.
Exactly.
That's why I reiterate a lot,but I drive it home for a reason
because the best way to postureourself in relationship with
the Lord is that of a child, isthat of one who fully trusts our
Heavenly Father, our belovedJesus, holy Spirit, amazing
Trinity.
And when we posture ourselvesas a child, then these kinds of
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things become very simple.
And they might be complex inthat it's way way too much for
us, but it's very simple in thefact that when he said that he
made provision for my freedom,he meant it.
When he said that it's finishedon the cross, he meant it.
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There is no exception.
There is no.
You are not the exception tothe rule.
I'm not the exception to therule.
Anything that I experienced isnot the exception to that.
There's full provision forwhatever, everything that we
have need of for life andgodliness.
He's provided.
And so what we get to do, lenora, is I'm going to say it again
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because I really want to drivethis home and that is if it does
not look like Jesus, if it'snot an abundant life, if it's a
torment, if it's a fear, if it'san addiction, if it's anxiety,
if it's depression, if it'srelational tear, if it's a
pattern, always marry the sameone.
If it's a pattern, alwayschoose the same type of people.
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I'm always here.
It's Groundhog Day.
If it's a structure, if it's aself-hatred, if it's a
judgmental, if it's the Lordhates me, the Lord's
disappointed in me.
If it's, whatever the messageis, whatever the fear is,
whatever the stronghold, thebondage, jesus died.
He set us free and he deliveredus.
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And whatever we have need of.
If there's demonic oppression,he's the answer.
If there's sickness, he's theanswer.
If there's a stronghold, he'sthe answer.
No is finished, and he has madeprovision.
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And so now what we get to do iswe get to allow Holy Spirit to
highlight what it is that hewants to do in our heart next,
in our heart next.
And so I like to make ananalogy of our lives.
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Much like the children ofIsrael invited into the promised
land, okay.
So when the children of Israelwere given the promised land, it
was a promise, okay, it'stheirs.
It's theirs, right?
Just does the lord say oh guesswhat, I changed my mind.
No, it belongs to them, right?
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And now we get to venture intothe character of the lord.
Does the lord give and takeaway?
No, does the lord givesomething bad?
No, does the lord givesomething.
So all of these things comeinto account, come into play
when we listen and we watch theprocess of the children of
Israel possessing the land thatwas given to them without
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exception.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Okay, it was given to Abraham.
Okay.
Then Moses said all right, I'mreminded this land that I'm
looking at, as far as I can see,the Lord has given it to me,
the Lord has given it to us, theLord has given it to these
people.
It's a promise, therefore it'sours.
And so what did he do?
He sent in the 10 spies and, asas we know they eight of them
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come, came back with the reportthat the land's flowing with
milk and honey, but there'sgiants in there and we are
grasshoppers in their presence,and it's.
They come back with the reportthe Lord's tricked us.
They come back with the reportthat why did the Lord give us
something?
And then it has giants in it.
He must not love me, he mustnot take care of me.
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There must be a mistake, theremust be.
Why did they come back withthis type of report?
Because they were seeing itthrough the lens of their own
strength, their own limitation.
They weren't holding on to thepromise of this land has been
given to you.
They were seeing it as oh, godgave it to me, but it's my job
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to defeat and I can't.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
I'm a grasshopper.
What are you thinking?
I believe this about myself andI'm not.
I can't.
I'm a grasshopper.
What are you thinking?
I believe this about myself andI'm not capable, and they know
I'm not capable.
So what kind of joke was this?
God Exactly.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
So their heart was filled with terror, unbelief,
all kinds of stuff.
And then they come back andthey spread that into the camp,
right?
But there were two other peoplethat went in and they went into
the same land and they cameback with a very similar report,
didn't they?
The land is flowing with milkand honey.
There's abundance.
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There's great there, yeah, it'samazing.
And there's giants in the land.
They came back with the sametruths, but with very different
perspectives.
Eight of them had theperspective of their own
strength.
Two of them held on to thepromise that this is exciting.
The Lord, this is the land theLord gave us.
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Yes, go get it.
The giants were not an issuefor them, because they knew that
the Lord had already madeprovision for the giants.
They really came in with theperspective that they're already
defeated because this is myland.
This is my land.
They're squatters.
This is my land and I trust theLord.
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It's very much like King Davidwhen he was up against Goliath,
who the children of Israel wereseeing the perspective of the
giant and their own weakness.
David was seeing theperspective of the Lord.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
Yeah, we have a covenant.
Why is this guy so cocky?
We're the ones with thecovenant, that's what it is.
Let's just put that.
He was talking about covenant.
Exactly, he doesn't have acovenant, we do.
What's the problem?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Let's go do this.
That's right.
He was holding on to the truththat what god says, god does.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Yeah and so that's what we're saying, you're saying
, happens.
You're leading people right inthis encounter with you.
What I mean, really, it'sbringing the lord right into
this.
He's already paid for this.
I get the perspective of whoyou actually are, who he says
you are, because it's who youare in him Exactly.
And the giant gets slayed,exactly.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
And so what you get to do, what we get to do, is the
children of Israel.
They possess the land little bylittle, didn't they?
Yeah, they possessed it.
They grew in strength, theygrew, grew in numbers, and as
they grew they would bump intogiants.
And we grow, we live, and thenwe bump into giants.
And then we live, and then webump into giants.
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And then, when we bump into agiant, we get to remember.
We get to remember oh, who am I,who is he and what's his
perspective?
Who am I?
Who is he and what's hisperspective?
Who am I, who is he and what'shis perspective?
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His perspective is it isfinished.
His perspective is I.
When I promised it to you, Imeant it, and so when he said it
is finished, on the cross, hemade provision for us to possess
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who it is, that we are and livein that abundant life.
And so all I do every day ishelp people really connect with
themselves and the Lord inplaces and remember who they are
and bring forth that reality inplaces where they have believed
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a lie, lived in a lie, lived ina place of captivity, things
that have happened to people,and we bring in the fact that
and reconnect them with Jesus.
In that place, watch and watchthe salvation of our God and
watch the freedom and watch thempossess land that they didn't
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have before.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
And I've experienced it with you.
I've watched it happen in frontof me.
This is the gospel.
This is actually what we needto see happening, because it's
been all done, and so you dothis one on one.
But you also like I first metyou you come to the church and
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you're helping a whole crowd, awhole group of women understand
this.
And guess what, even I didn'tshare this with you since I
talked to you last, just on lastSunday evening.
I'm sitting next to a friend ofmine and she ended up asking
prayer for me on something and Icould see what was going on in
her heart and she recognized ittoo, and so we, right there, had
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this beautiful little exchangeand it was like okay, god, I
love you, jesus and susan.
It's like the more we, you,understand how this is, the more
you're just helping otherpeople.
You can, god can do it rightwith you in your own space and
you, because he's done the workand he's the one who's doing it,
whether it's with susan at yourchurch or by yourself.
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He's the one who's done it.
Yes, I'm doing the miracle.
So it's just knowing.
The practicality of this isright now god in us, who's done
it all and desperately wantslike I love how you've said it
that the benefit of what,everything he paid for.
He spent his blood for thisfreedom for us, yes, and he
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wants the reward of our freedomI set you free, to make you free
.
Yes, yeah, and he wants to seeus free and he's there to do it
right now right now,experientially yeah, yes, yes,
so those.
I know that we've gone a littlebit of time here, so we've got
to wrap this up, but I obviouslyI'm looking at the camera to
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the people that are listening tothis.
You can go to loved intolifecom, right, it'sorgorg?
Loved into lifeorg, thank you,and see a little bit more
exactly what we've been talkingabout.
The sound bites that are goingto be available are available on
our website.
You can schedule time withSusan, or you can have her come
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to your church or, if some ofyou can get on our schedule.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
Businesses, too.
Businesses I love to work withbusinesses.
Yeah Well, how do you do thatwith businesses?
What we do is we deal with thethings that hinder us from
thriving in relationship,thriving in job, thriving in
communication, anything wherewe're not thriving.
This will help us to unpackwhat it is that's causing us to
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be able to do that, and sorelational inner dynamics is
100% this, and so it's learninghow to act as a team and
anything that hinders that.
We work on it and empowerpeople to understand what's
going on inside of them and beable to make remarkable changes.
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Many times they don't connectwith the Lord, but they can
connect with themselves andcommunicate to their own heart
that this is over and it's donewith.
So there's many ways.
Like I love it the psalm 130,verse 7, when it says there's a
thousand ways to set us free,but any type.
Anytime you've got people,there's an opportunity.
(57:17):
Anytime you've got anystructure, there's an
opportunity for more relationalconnection, more relational
freedom.
It's a great foundation tobuild a healthy business.
On.
Wow, yeah, because getting themout of that virtual reality
response into what am I doing,into being able to live more
authentically, yeah, Let meinterject this one last thing
(57:40):
about brain science that I lovethat you just brought up, and
that is that when we experiencesomething that we don't have
capacity for, we regress intoour brain until we get into the
fight, flight, freeze area andwe're there, our relational
circuits are off and we are nolonger present.
(58:03):
We are in self-preservation, andso what we want to be able to
do is do life from a whole brain, which means both our thinking
brains, both our thinking andour experiential brain, are
thinking the same thing in union, and so what happens is that
allows us to be in our adultbrain, and when we're in our
(58:23):
adult brain, we can be presentin our true self, and so that's
where we want our businesses togo from, that's where we want
our lives to flow from, is frombeing in the present day with
our adult self, relationallyconnected.
So our heart is to be wholebrain present, and what we
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understand is when we're present, that's when we really can
encounter his presence in afabulous way the
transformational beautiful giantslang that I have experienced
with you is nothing but amiracle, and Jesus is right
they're the one who's done it,amen.
He's loving us into life so wecan live from our authentic
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heart, not our history rightyeah, thank you, susan, for
taking the time.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Thank you for what you do.
I hope people listen to this.
We want to spread it as much aspossible, just because it's
needed everyone.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
Thank you, lenora.
It's my passion to make thisnormal, because it is the gospel
.
He loves us and he wants us tonot only know it in our, but
also experience it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:38):
What he did it for, thank you.
Thank you for listening andtalk to you again another time.
Hey, I'm Lenora Turner, host of Back to One
Podcast.
I haven't been recording for awhile but I just really wanted
to record an episode with SusanWright.
She started something calledLoved Into Life and it's about
heart healing in a way that istransformational.
It includes brain science.
(00:22):
It includes you know why we getstuck or why things trigger us
or why we struggle so long withsome of the same pains and how
it can really be mended.
Your heart can completely bemade whole, and I mean it
doesn't mean it necessarily allhappens at once, but certain
things will happen at once or atthat single time with Susan.
(00:46):
Or if you learn the principles,you can absolutely do it all by
yourself.
This is a good hour episode.
Please listen.
If you struggle with anxiety ordepression or anger or different
patterns in your life, you'rethinking how do I get out of
this?
You don't realize it might besomething where your heart's
(01:07):
kind of broken.
You have had no idea how to getsome healing for it.
That's been me in a few casesand I've learned a lot from
other people and personal growththings in my life.
So we're going to talk about alot of things.
But please listen to this.
Take the time to learn aboutLoved Into Life and Susan Wright
.
And again, I am now doing thisstuff all on my own when things
(01:33):
come up and I'm helping otherpeople with some real stuff.
So I'll stop talking and gointo this episode.
I hope you listen to the wholething.
Enjoy.
I'm just going to dive right in, let's do it.
Yeah, susan Wright, I am soexcited and honored and blessed
(01:54):
to have you as a guest on thispodcast.
Thank you so much for takingthe time for this conversation.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Wow, lenora.
It's my passion to share this,and so it's a great honor and
privilege for us to have thistime together, and it's my
prayer that whoever listens toit will receive an impartation
and awareness and understandingof who Jesus is, who they are
and how loved they are.
Are and how loved they are tosee that he really does want to
(02:28):
have a very unique personalrelationship with all of us and
for us to thrive.
He wants us to thrive in unionwith him and others, and so
that's my heart behindeverything I do.
It's interesting I heard a TVshow that Catherine Coleman was
interviewing Amy.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Simple, I love.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Catherine Coleman.
I know, isn't she great.
She was interviewing Amy SybilMcPherson's children, wow, and I
know, and I was like what?
That's a pretty unique show,right.
And she was talking with thosechildren.
She said I was at your mom'sgrave and I was standing behind
some people and there was a ladythat was talking with her child
(03:06):
and said this lady mentored meand I didn't even know her.
And she said the way that shementored me was she made Jesus
real to me and Lenora, that thatis like seared into me.
That's I live to.
Let that be the legacy that theLord would use me and reflect
(03:29):
himself in that, when I'm aroundpeople, that Jesus becomes more
real.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Oh, absolutely.
And we haven't even told theaudience really who you are yet
and I will do a separate littleintro for that anyway.
But I met you about two yearsago at what it was at church in
Seattle, near Seattle,washington, eden, newcastle, and
I thought, okay, I really likedyou.
I thought, wow, it's veryobvious that Jesus is a center
(03:57):
of this and that should be trueof anyone who's quote
ministering or helping peopleand believe in Jesus Christ.
But it was so evident.
That is your key focus and andit's not just let's tell you
what he did 2,000 years ago it'sthis is what he's doing right
now, because he already dideverything, it's a finished work
(04:18):
.
And then I watched people'slives be transformed in front of
my eyes.
I believe in, I'm all in, Ibelieve in everything he says in
the Bible in the sense of Istudied, actually studied, blood
covenant when I went to Bibleschool.
That was my term paper, for mysecond year was a 30 page paper
on blood covenant, knowing it'slike marriage God's all in, it's
(04:40):
everything.
His, his property is everythingis all in.
And so I heard and I saw thatsuch a present day
representation in what you'redoing, that's what it is.
He's still all in, he's stillright here, he is alive, but
he's not alive somewhere else.
He's alive and right in themiddle of what we need.
(05:02):
So I remember saying when therewas a Q and a at the end and I
said do you have a book?
Cause I'm like I've soughtdifferent things I and I already
have.
God has helped me many ways.
But I went you have explainedthis so well, please write a
book.
And then you I met you againthis year this earlier this year
again, watching like somepeople have seen physical
(05:23):
healing.
I've received physical healingmultiple ways.
I don't have time for thosekind of stories, but I was like
God, I want to see more forheart healing.
People are struggling, there'sso much hurt and then I'm going
in here.
It is this is the best,quickest example, and there's
some great things out there,great tools out there, but this
was so right now, in front of myface, I'm watching hearts be
(05:45):
mended and it's been happeningto me and now I'm starting to
help other people.
So your ministry is calledLoved Into Life.
So, susan, how did you end upcalling it that?
I love the name and tell usmore about who Susan is and how
you got even doing what you do.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Wow, that's a lot to unpack.
This is going to be a four hourpodcast.
That's right, but just in short,lenora, the loved into life was
.
It took me a long time tofinally land on a name that I
was happy with.
The phrase living from yourheart, not your history,
actually came first and that's atagline, or beyond it.
(06:24):
Not your history actually camefirst and that's a tagline, or
beyond it.
And then it was like, okay,we've got the phrase, now what
is it?
What is it?
And it was just.
It happened.
One day.
It was like, yes, I say thisall the time when I'm working
with people he's loving you intolife.
He's loving you into life.
And it was like, of course,that's the name Loved into life,
living from your heart, notyour history.
(06:48):
And the way this whole thinghappened was quite a surprise.
It wasn't a planned thing.
I wasn't one of these that hada vision from the Lord that this
is what your mandate in life is.
I was on my own journey, lenora.
I needed my own transformation.
I suffered a lot of things thatno person should ever suffer as
(07:10):
a child and, as a result, lifewas very scary for me.
People were very scary to me,and when I got born again, my
life started transforming,obviously, but throughout the
years, more would surface, as Iwould, I'd be ready.
More would surface, and so Iwas on this journey for myself,
(07:33):
and as I did that, I literallywent around the world looking
for the next anointed thing thatwas happening.
It was a journey, it was a questfor Jesus, for more of Jesus.
The passion that reallymotivated me was I tasted and I
(07:55):
saw that he is good.
When I first got baptized inthe Holy Spirit, I had an
encounter with his love thatundid me spirit.
I had an encounter with hislove that undid me, and so it
opened up, with inside of me anawareness that there's more, an
awareness that's more.
And so the quest for knowingmore of his love and knowing him
(08:16):
in a more intimate way, andanything that would hinder that
flow was my desire.
And as he meets us right and hetransforms us and he heals us
and he delivers us and he setsus free, because that's who he
is, yeah and yeah, so manythings.
I went to everything that wasavailable.
Anytime I heard of any kind offruit, I was.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I went, cause you're saying you had a lot of
depression in the past right,which is rampant these days too,
and you had a lot of depressionin the past right, which is
rampant these days too.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I had a lot of things .
Depression was one thing.
I had a lot of fear.
I had a lot of confusion.
I had a lot of very strongattachment, fear and pain of
losing the people that I loved.
I had a lot of things that werechurning on the inside, that
were very contradictory to whatit means to have an abundant
life, and depression was one ofthem, of course.
(09:08):
And I tell people, there's nottoo much.
I didn't go through that.
He redeemed me from and he setme free from.
I'm just, I'm humbled and blownaway.
Many times.
When people say, susan, tell meabout yourself, I can say let me
just tell you I'm a walkingmiracle.
I'm a walking miracle.
I'm a walking miracle.
But, lenore, the thing I liketo focus in on is not so much
(09:30):
what the enemy did to my life,but what the Lord did, and he's
transforming me and changing meevery day, and the reason that
Loved Into Life even came intoexistence is because of the
fruit of what he has done in mylife.
I would get a measure ofbreakthrough and people would
(09:51):
say what happened?
And I'd say you can have it too.
I'd get another measure, youcan have it too.
Another measure, you can haveit too, and I had a lot of
friends that were therapists atthe time and they would say,
look, you know how to talk tothese people from the inside out
.
Will you help me with myclients?
And so I started doing it thatway.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
When you say how to breakthrough that's a term, I
understand that.
Sometimes it's just so thrownaround, but what did they see
that saw something's different.
When you say breakthrough, whatis that?
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Many things and I use that word to be all inclusive
but the biggest and the mostsignificant changes, I will say,
were that of not beingdepressed but being more filled
with joy and being more present,more relational, more motivated
(10:45):
, more entering into life, moreproductive, the fruit of what it
looks like to be thriving, andso any kind of marker that I had
that wasn't that they could seea significant change and
freedom and say, wow, you werethat and now you're different,
(11:06):
and the breakthroughs are somultiple.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I could go into several of them, but it's
basically they could see thatsomething happened yeah, you
actually were a person that yourdepression was actually gone
and it wasn't a pill that did it.
You could see that you actuallycould sit still and be peaceful
.
I can tell you because you andI have worked together very
recently on something and I'mlike my brain is not trying to
(11:31):
figure everything out constantly.
I didn't realize how much, notconstantly but I thought, wow,
it's actually not being themachine, that it was.
You just see that or the oh.
I don't have that tight in myheart that I did, and I've heard
(11:52):
some of the stories from otherteam members you've had.
Total sicknesses have gone away.
Tangible change, actual shift,an actual difference from a
single encounter Again, that'sanother word that's thrown
around a lot, but Jesus actuallydoing what he does because he
paid for it all.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Exactly so, to your point.
Every time I sit with a person,I see a miracle.
Every time when that person isthere in front of me, I watch
the Lord Jesus transformsomething that was birthed from
an experience that never shouldhave happened.
And it was their way, theircoping mechanism, it was their
(12:32):
thinking pattern, it was theirway they felt, the way they live
.
The list goes on.
Because every experience thatwe've had in our entire life
creates belief systems.
They have to want it, theirwill has to be wanting this and
(12:57):
desire to appear there.
And we begin to connect and webegin to allow the Lord to
dismantle that and destroy andcompletely do the divine
exchange of what was broken andwhat was built from something
that was not his heart.
And we see that divine exchange.
Then he really does transformus, he really does change our
(13:18):
brain, he really does change thewiring.
I literally watch a miracle ofthat particular belief, that
particular thing that we bringbecause it's got a strong hold
on somebody.
It could be a strong hold.
I don't like to put a label onit because it's got a strong
hold on somebody.
It could be a strong hold.
I don't like to put a label onit because it limits, because,
quite frankly, I like to usethis phrase, this is the phrase
(13:40):
I like to use a lot If itdoesn't look like Jesus, then
it's an opportunity to betransformed, and so I've seen
physical healings.
A friend of mine was gettingready to have gallbladder
surgery and we worked with allthe things that were around that
, the belief systems, the fears,the structures, the thing, all
(14:03):
that her body took on becauseour body takes on things,
everything that was around thatwe started dismantling it as
Holy Spirit allowed us to andled us into the places, to the
point that 10 days later shedidn't have to have gallbladder
surgery because she was healed.
So there's physical, emotional,all kinds of transfer, anything
(14:26):
that Jesus died for.
He said that you can have it.
You can have it, yeah, and ourspirit, soul, body is all
connected.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
So if you're stressed out all the time or depressed
all the time, that's impactingyour health, that's impacting
your mind.
All of it works together.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, in fact, medical science is now reporting
that 95% of all diseases nottraumatic accidents, of course,
but diseases or have theirsystem in an emotional upset of
some sort.
That's pretty phenomenal whenyou think about it.
We're very interconnectedspirit, soul and body.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, and I've heard enough and had different friends
in the past.
That helped me, thank God I'dheard different things and then
I saw the validation of whatthey were telling me about the
connection and the physicalimpact, because at first it
sounded like this is hooky pookystuff.
Come on, you know, just eatbetter or just whatever.
And I went oh, and I'd startseeing how it was impacting
(15:25):
myself.
But again my passion, becauseI've been through some rough
stuff, nothing like what somepeople have been through but,
even the milder versions ofscary, chaotic upbringings can
make pretty crippling impacts aswell, so it doesn't really
matter.
What it is you're facing is.
What are you stuck in, can you?
(15:46):
I could already want to goseveral different directions,
but I want to ask a questionfirst, and then a shift into a
little bit on the brain science.
Can you say something, a bitabout the range of things you
work with, and then I want totalk a bit about the brain
science and why we get stuckfrom past things yes, of course.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
So I really have a strong belief system that when
Jesus says it is finished, thenit's all inclusive and it means
that it really is finished.
And he really did pay the pricefor our freedom.
No matter what happened to usor no matter what we've done as
a result of that, he is ourvictory and he paid the price
(16:29):
for us to enter into thefullness of the freedom that he
set before us.
And all of this happened,lenora, before the foundation of
the earth.
He died before the foundationof the earth.
So there are no surprises withhim.
He lives outside of time.
He's all-knowing, he'sall-present and he's
all-powerful.
And when he and the Trinity,when they were dreaming of us
(16:54):
and prophesying about us, theymade full provision for us to
enter into all that they dreamedthat we would live in.
And I really know that, nomatter what an individual is
suffering, no matter what anindividual is going through, he
has made a way so many times.
(17:14):
People that suffer really roughstuff.
People feel powerless to helpthem, and I would, too, if I
looked at their situation.
For instance, I don't know ifyou've heard of satanic ritual
abuse survivors.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I've heard of it.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, so people have been purposely hurt, purposely
subjected to inhumane things,and it's overwhelming if you
listen to their stories and youthink it seems to be impossible.
But with the Lord all thingsare possible and I can.
I say to you right now thatwhen I work with people that
(17:53):
have gone through that and I'mseeing them transform and
thriving and entering back intolife and knowing their value,
their worth and their freedom,and so I don't limit anyone the
way I look at it, if they've gota heart and a desire for Jesus,
if they've got a desire to nolonger live that way, then I'll
(18:17):
team up with them.
I've seen marriages restored.
I've seen teenagers, children,just all kinds of freedom from
depression, from anxiety, fromspiritual abuse, from all kinds
of different other types ofabuse, as well as the things
that don't seem to be as obviousare actually, in my opinion,
(18:41):
the worst many times, and thatis the things that we did not
receive, that we were meant toreceive.
The Lord created us to be ableto be fully loved, fully valued,
fully seen and thrive thriveand to thrive in this world.
But our parents all havedeficits.
Too Many times we didn educatedus that kind of thing, but they
(19:03):
didn't know how to help us withour inner world, with our
thoughts, with our feelings likethat, and so many times we live
in a place where the world justis not safe because we weren't
(19:24):
ever connected to that thatdeficit of your parent ends up
becoming your belief system ofI'm not worth it.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
You convinced because you come in, I mean your
parents like god to you in thesense of they're responsible for
your safety, for everything,and so you all the beliefs that
you get from.
Like you said, what you didreceive, what you didn't receive
is what how you interpret lifeand how you interpret your
normal and but that that can bepeople's normals are all over
(19:52):
the map.
They can be, oh wow, that'spretty amazing.
Like you had others, like itwas normal for you to have in
hell, that you were walkingthrough or somewhere in the
middle.
Or, like you said, you canbelieve but you don't realize it
.
You have a deep-seated beliefsthat you're not valuable and
don't realize that's where itcame from all those.
There's so many facets yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
So many facets.
And so when the individual isin front of me, like I say, it's
like holy ground and I listenand try to connect with what the
holy spirit is highlighting forthem, because he wants to love
them into life yeah, let's talka little bit about the brain
science, because I know thatit's biblically based that jesus
(20:38):
did pay for these things.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
He, he died on the cross to to take all of this off
of us and was resurrected toprove that he did it.
It was done.
It was done for our sake.
He didn't do this for his saketo prove something or be a
martyr or something it was toset us free, not show us how to
suffer, but to set us free fromsuffering.
So but the brain science?
(21:00):
We look at that.
Why do we get stuck like we do?
Why do people get so stuck?
What's going on?
Because I'd never quite evenheard that verse.
A double-minded person isunstable in all their ways.
The way you communicated it, II went.
How did I not know this?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Okay, I love to talk about the brain science because
it's another way to talk aboutscripture, because anything that
is relevant in brain science isgoing to have a presence in the
scripture, because we, as weknow, it's all there.
It's all there and on my ownjourney, I would go through
anything anybody told me to do.
I was like in it and on it anddoing it, and why?
(21:40):
To be more intimate with theLord, to be more one in one with
him, to be more united with him.
I've always had a passion toknow him, to connect with him
more and more.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Because when you meet him, there's no place better to
be, there's no one better toknow.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Exactly.
But I knew there was thingsthat were hindering me from
fully getting there and fullyreceiving it.
And it was like why do I havethis internal tug of war when my
belief system, my faith, mystance is Jesus and then why do
I have this internal fear orthings that hinder that
(22:16):
connection?
And it didn't make a bit ofsense to me, especially when I
would read scriptures like betransformed by the renewing of
your mind, and I would be sodiligent to not think things
that weren't lined up with thescripture weren't from his heart
, and yet it didn't seem like itwas really going anywhere with
me in these deep unconscious,these deep driving, innate
(22:40):
feelings, these innate.
It was such a mystery.
It's like why am I doingeverything I know to do and it's
putting myself in the presenceand doing everything and it's
still not landing in these deepplaces?
And then I started the brainscience frontier started opening
up and the brain imaging andpeople started understanding
(23:00):
more and more about how wehumans are designed and there's
a lot of revelation that theybring forth that I love.
But one thing that was massivefor me is to understand that we
have a thinking brain and anexperiential brain and of course
we know that, but the way thatthese neuroscientists
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articulated it was that everysingle experience that we've had
creates belief systems, createsbelief systems, and these
belief systems are part of ourthinking brain as well as our
experiential brain, which meansthe subconscious, and so the
(23:45):
subconscious messages and when Isay messages I'm talking body
sensations, feelings, thoughts,structures, coping mechanisms,
fears, all anything like that.
I call that a message from mysubconscious and a belief system
from our subconscious.
(24:05):
And so I realized it startedmaking sense to me.
Oh wow, we've actually got twodifferent brains in us that are
communicating to us.
And then the scripture thatsays a double-minded man is
unstable in all his ways startedmaking sense, because I would
know that the Lord loves me andyet I would feel unlovable.
(24:28):
I would know that the Lord saidhe would set me free and I
couldn't get there.
I would know that I'm hisbeloved, so why did I feel like
such a reject?
I would know that the joy ofthe Lord is my strength.
So why would I feel oppressed?
Why would I feel depressed?
Why would I feel sad?
Why couldn't I shake it?
And so what neuroscience helpedme unpack was that scripture
(24:52):
that I had two very differentcommunications going on One was
my thinking and one was myexperiential.
And so as I began to ventureinto learning how to unpack and
bring the transformation processinto my experiential brain,
that is when everything startedchanging for me.
(25:14):
Everything.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Wow, I again love it and it helped me understand
better to go, oh, instead ofthinking God, I know I should
trust God.
I know the scriptures.
I know a bunch of scripturesabout why it's trustworthy.
I have a big Harkin BindsExpository Dictionary and the
Naves Topical Bible.
When I was fighting for joy, Iwould mark and I'd be speaking
(25:37):
and I had some progress.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I did have progress, and I did see results.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
The word of god is everything to me, yes, yes.
But then you're like why am Istruggling?
So we, we take a look at thatand you speak to it in this
amazing, beautiful I mean you,just you.
You see, god's gifted you tosee very well, and you've been
doing this for a long time andthen we invite jesus right in
and healing happens in a waythat is profound.
(26:03):
Yes, and should be.
Of course, that would happen toall of us yes, and you know
what it does happen.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
It's already made available for us, and the
exciting thing about this,lenora, is that it's available.
No one misses out.
Everyone can have this.
But what we have to do is wehave to remember.
We have to remember that Jesusis alive himself.
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Jesus is our word, he is theway, he is the truth, he is the
life, he is experiential rightthis minute.
In our western culture, we havedissected many things and we've
made it.
We've made so much of our life,not just our spiritual life,
(26:58):
but we've made so much of ourlife in general a thought
process rather than a relationalconnection.
And so what has happened to usis we're both a thinking and an
experiential person.
He loves our thinking brain.
He loves it and he wants itfilled with the knowledge of the
Lord.
(27:18):
He wants us to be soaked ineverything that the word says
memorize it, take it in, consumeyourself, be transformed.
If a thought isn't Jesus,change it, have another one,
make it Jesus.
So he wants our thinking braintransformed, but he also wants
our experiential braintransformed.
(27:38):
But we cannot do it just byhaving another thought in our
intellect.
It has to be an experience.
It has to be an experience.
It has to be an experience, anexperience based on the two
greatest commandments that Jesusspoke of when he was on this
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earth.
He said everything can besummed up in these two great
commandments Love the Lord, yourGod, with everything,
everything.
And love your neighbor as youlove yourself.
Everything can be summed up inthose two, so you can just take
a deep dive into the realms ofall.
That means all that we could doit for eternity, and not unpack
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the fullness of what that means, because it's the foundation of
union.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Igniting my heart with him, with myself and with
others.
And that's what he's asking forus to come together and to be
loved.
And so what we do in Loved IntoLife is an invitation into the
experiential transformationprocess of the part of us that I
like to say many times it's theright brain versus the left
(28:49):
brain.
But it's the right brain, it'sthe subconscious, it's all the
nonverbal.
The left brain, but it's theright brain, it's the
subconscious, it's all thenonverbal, it's the relational,
it's the part of us that doesn'thave to think, but it's
actually a knee-jerk reaction,it's a response, it's core, it's
much faster than the thinkingbrain.
We know before we know.
Our thinking brain is the lastplace to know anything and it's
(29:12):
filtered through so many thingsthat it's very unreliable, very
unreliable.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
And so that's what's running us.
It's really what we've alreadybelieved and been convinced of
and persuaded of experienced.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Exactly.
And yeah, to your point earlierwhen you were talking about,
you've done this to get the joy.
That's great Good job, becausewhat you've done is you've
established what I like to callthe plumb line, the standard,
and I'll go back to the phraseagain if it doesn't look like
Jesus, it becomes an opportunity.
Okay, let's establish the plumbline to be Jesus, trinity,
(29:48):
jesus, the word, and I say thatgood theology is Jesus, so good
theology is always going to.
That was a quotation fromsomeone, I don't know who, but I
love it Because yeah, that'smine, because Jesus is good
theology, right.
So if it's not Jesus, itbecomes an opportunity, and what
(30:09):
that means is let's get ourleft brain standard.
Yes, as for me and my house, wewill serve the Lord.
I align my will.
I align my thinking, I align whoI am, and I'm not tolerating
anything other than Jesus.
And so if something pops itshead up as a message, feeling, a
(30:31):
lie, a trick, an oppression,anything, then what's happened
is you have just heard, you havejust heard a message from
something that you experiencedhistorically.
So you just heard a messagefrom a historic event, and so
(30:55):
that's when we begin to unpackthat historic event in our
subconscious.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
And is that really similar to what people call that
inner child work?
But I know you have some realperspective on that that I love,
because we're not runningaround with a pack of little
kids inside of us or something,because we're not running around
with a pack of little kidsinside of us or something.
But yet there is some realtruth to where you got stuck and
it's, and how the right braindoesn't track time, Like they
said.
The left brain or that thatpart that's very linear is
(31:23):
operates very differently fromthe one that responded and felt
the impact of whatever happenedand got stuck there.
How did, how does that stuckhappen?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah.
So it's a lot like this, lenora.
If I ask your left brain,lenora, when did you learn how
to ride a bicycle?
Your left brain would give methe time, the date, the season,
the color of the bike, the agethat you were.
Now, if I ask your right brain,when did you learn how to ride
a bicycle?
You would feel the feelings,you would smell the smells, you
(31:57):
would have an emotionalawareness of it was a good day,
it was a bad day, it was a funday.
Oh, I fell and broke my.
That wasn't so good.
Oh, the.
And then you would see yourselfat the age.
You would have a little minivideo sometimes and you would
say, oh, look there, I am, there, I was, and you could remember
yourself and the experientialaspects of it.
(32:19):
And so that's how thedifference in the way these two
brains work.
And so when someone isexperiencing something that is
overwhelming, too big,unresolved where I like to use
this definition sometimes alone,without any help, all of these
kinds of things can leave usstuck in an event that is
(32:44):
unresolved and it's still in us,it still is creating structures
that we live from, it's wiredinto us and the way that we, as
humans, work is we have beliefsystems inside of us based on
our experiences, and then,through association, those
belief systems are broughtforward.
If you walked into the kitchenand the water was running, you
(33:09):
would know what to do, becauseyou're like, oh wow, I need to
turn that water off because youhave an association of how
everything works, howeverything's supposed to be, and
so you would know how tofunction.
And, in the same way, if youwalked into the kitchen and fire
was going on, you would knowhow to respond.
You've got triggers, you've gotthings like that.
If you walk into the kitchen andthere's a stranger, that would
bring up a whole nother set ofemotions, another set of belief
(33:31):
systems, up a whole nother setof emotions, another whole
nother set of belief systems.
If you walked in and there wasyour mom, that would bring some
more, your sister, your brother.
All of these work throughassociation.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
And so what we want to do is we want to listen to
what, how we're responding andhow we're feeling, and what the
association brings up, and weneed to recognize, just like you
have another thought over hereyou need to recognize oh, I need
a new experience over here,because that experience did not
have the Lord's perspective init.
That was laced with fear, thatwas laced with trauma, that was
(34:09):
laced with upset, and Jesus diedfor that.
And therefore it becomes anopportunity for me to have a new
experience and be transformed.
And so it's when you talk abouthim being stuck it's stuck, but
it's a little different fromalmost being stuck, it's more.
It's more like this If it has alife of its own.
(34:31):
I don't know if you've everseen anybody put a virtual
reality headset.
I like that analogy.
Okay, when they put one ofthose on, they enter into an
alternate reality.
Yeah, yeah, if you see somebodywith got one of these realities
headsets on and they're likefencing someone, and then
they're like you know, you cansee them respond to what they're
(34:52):
looking at Right, and itbecomes visceral, it becomes
experiential, and if you hookedmachines up to their body would
register that this is reallyhappening.
They would feel it, their bodywould know it.
All the chemical cascades, allthe responses, all the reflexes,
all the fear, happy, whatever,all of these things are going to
(35:14):
be, through association,brought up, and so when the
person takes the headset off, ittakes them a minute to get
refocused back into reality.
Because, they're in an alternatereality, and this is what
happens when one of theseexperiences comes forward.
(35:34):
We go into that reality andguess what?
We think, lenora?
We think it's really happeningto us.
It feels like it's reallyhappening to us, but it's not.
It's coming from somethinghistoric that did happen to us.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
So I want to see if I'm hearing this right Like, say
, someone is questioning you andthen you should just get so
easily offended by that, thatthat root of that is like why is
that person like it's alwayswalking on eggshells around them
and it can be that they attheir certain age they had to
defend themselves because theywere attacked all the time, or
whatever, and anytime somebodyquestions they go into.
(36:16):
That I must, I don't know, it'sthe fight mode, because they
already that's just how they'regoing to try to protect
themselves.
That type of a thing is anotherexample.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Of course that's.
That would be an experientialcoping mechanism that worked as
a child or that was all that wasavailable to them, and yet
they'll be destroying theirrelationships.
Now, no-transcript.
And now we can.
I want to bring up this pointbecause I don't want people to
(36:49):
say, oh, I'm just wired for that, and then make an excuse and
say, oh, oh, that behavior issomething that I really want to
be transformed from.
But until then, I'm going to beaccountable for it and not act
(37:14):
and not hurt anyone not hurtmyself, not hurting anyone else
and have a behavior modificationthere till I'm transformed.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Some self-control.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
some choices there, Till I'm transformed.
Some self-control, some choicesthere, yeah some adult choices
Because we're not allowed tohurt other people, and that kind
of thing we have to beaccountable for and recognize,
unless we don't see it, and thenwe get to let other people show
us and then we get to work onit.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Well, you know what and I am a huge believer in
self-control and in makingchoices and in being responsible
for your own choices, yourbehaviors, not just saying this
is what I do or it was yourfault or it's always blaming
somebody else but I also haveseen people think that's the
only thing that theirchristianity really offers.
(38:03):
Is I just got to be better atmaking this rule happen like and
you're it's like you thinkGod's looking at you
disappointed.
Unfortunately, there's a lot.
So much of that is thementality of even what God is
supposedly like.
It's a it's huge problem.
Well, I just you feel badbecause you screwed up again and
now I need to just stop doingthat and perform better for the
(38:23):
Lord.
This, this is not what you'retalking about.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
No, I'm not talking about that at all.
That's why I say if it doesn'tlook like Jesus, it's an
opportunity.
Because you see what defines us, lenora?
The word of God himself definesus.
For believers, that means thatwe are a new creation.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Your video loves it.
When you do this, it puts up athumbs up thing.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yay.
So for believers, we're a brandnew creation.
We're one with him, we'regrafted in, we're in union with
him, we're seated in him.
For those that arepre-believers you're created in
his image and we're meant tohave a life where we can be
relational with ourselves,others, and we also want to have
(39:12):
that wonderful relationshipwith the Lord as well, and he's
designed us to thrive, he'sdesigned us to live in that
abundant place and we get tohave that and anything else.
That is not that guess whatGuess what.
It's not who we are.
(39:33):
It is not who we are.
It tells us what has happenedto us.
It does not define us.
It tells us what has happenedto us and how we've coped and
how we survived, but it does nottell us who we are.
And for that reason I say if itdoesn't look like who, the
(39:58):
truth, our true self, then we'vejust gotten in touch with a
message, with something that isstuck, with something that is
historic, that does not defineus.
It becomes an opportunity forthat also to be transformed.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
When you're saying being who you really are, say a
bit more about that, because Iknow how that can be
misconstrued or not understood.
Because who we are, when you'veaccepted christ, you're now one
with him.
It says we're one spirit.
How much is that encompassed?
What does what he did accordingto?
(40:36):
When you're born again, whenyou're born from above, you
totally receive what he did.
How much?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
change happened there yes.
Yes, exactly, according to theTrinity, then, the way he sees
us as what he died for.
When he said it is finished, hesaid there, it is this.
Now you have full access intoreceiving and being the you that
(41:03):
I have created you to be, andso he sees us, just as we are.
So, lenora, the truth is thatwe're one with him.
The truth is that we're seatedwith him in heavenly places.
The truth is that we'reovercomers, that we are a brand
(41:25):
new creation, that the oldthings have passed away, that we
died, we were buried and werose with him.
The truth is, we have the mindof Christ.
The truth is that we areambassadors from heaven to earth
.
The truth is that he sees us ashis bride, as his child, as his
(41:45):
beloved, as his co-labor, hisco-ruler, his co reigner.
He sees us as the beloved ofhis heart.
He sees us as the joy that wasset before him as he was hanging
on the cross.
He sees us as part of thefamily, which is the Trinity.
He sees us as how we werecreated before the foundation of
(42:09):
the earth.
Before the foundation of theearth, when they were
prophesying and dreaming andimagining us and creating us,
every one of us so uniquely,authentically one, authentically
different from each other.
He had a plan for each one ofus and he sees us through that
(42:32):
lens.
And then Lenora, what he's doingin our life and in our journey,
he's inviting us into receivingthat.
Inviting us.
He said come on, be it.
Come on, be it.
When he spoke about theBeatitudes, he said this is who
you are.
It's impossible apart from me,because this is really who I am.
You can only do it in unionwith me.
(42:54):
Come in, let go reckon thosethings dead, put off those other
things and put on.
So what we're doing is puttingoff and putting on.
Putting off and putting onreckoning the old man dead,
receiving the new man.
That's part of what we're doing.
We're receiving the finishedwork.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, you're speaking to so many scriptures.
If those that don't know muchBible, she's quoting a lot of
scriptures.
I love Ephesians 1, which talksabout what great pleasure God
took in planning for us, and hecommitted to deal with
everything before we were everformed.
He's already.
That's why I said he wascrucified before the world,
because when God's going to dosomething, he's going to do it.
(43:34):
It actually happened at acertain time frame, but he's
been all in from the beginningand he's covered everything.
So it really is a change thathappened.
It's old things passed away.
All things have become new.
So having Jesus isn't a behaviormodification program in the
sense of now you're justsupposed to be a good girl
versus a bad girl.
It's for real life happening.
(43:57):
He says I am the way, I am thetruth, I am the life.
It's not like I'm going to dosome good things and go away and
now act like me.
No, I'm with you, I'm in you.
Yield to me and it's not justchoosing it because it's a good
idea.
It's who I am in him and that'sthe safe place I'm convinced.
(44:20):
If you don't know that there'ssome truth here, would you dare
face the scary things, theterrible things you believe
about yourself because ofwhatever happened, because I
don't want to find out.
Maybe I really am as worthlessas I felt.
But no, let him help youexperience how much he loves you
, because it is the truth.
(44:41):
I can let those scary things go,because they're the lie.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, and that's the, that is the hard part, because
we have been many times.
We suppress things, we pushthings away, thinking that we
don't have to relive thembecause we didn't know what else
to do and we were so afraid ofour ourselves, really, because
we're afraid that if we openthat door to our inner world, to
our heart, then we'll beflooded with the very things
(45:08):
that we couldn't handle thefirst time around.
And so we run, we hide, wemedicate, we do all kinds of
things to get rid of the pain Itried to just push it away.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Stop bugging me.
I'm going to try to do that anddidn't even realize that's my
own heart going.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
I hurt.
Please stop and listen.
Exactly.
That's why I reiterate a lot,but I drive it home for a reason
because the best way to postureourself in relationship with
the Lord is that of a child, isthat of one who fully trusts our
Heavenly Father, our belovedJesus, holy Spirit, amazing
Trinity.
And when we posture ourselvesas a child, then these kinds of
(45:53):
things become very simple.
And they might be complex inthat it's way way too much for
us, but it's very simple in thefact that when he said that he
made provision for my freedom,he meant it.
When he said that it's finishedon the cross, he meant it.
(46:16):
There is no exception.
There is no.
You are not the exception tothe rule.
I'm not the exception to therule.
Anything that I experienced isnot the exception to that.
There's full provision forwhatever, everything that we
have need of for life andgodliness.
He's provided.
And so what we get to do, lenora, is I'm going to say it again
(46:41):
because I really want to drivethis home and that is if it does
not look like Jesus, if it'snot an abundant life, if it's a
torment, if it's a fear, if it'san addiction, if it's anxiety,
if it's depression, if it'srelational tear, if it's a
pattern, always marry the sameone.
If it's a pattern, alwayschoose the same type of people.
(47:04):
I'm always here.
It's Groundhog Day.
If it's a structure, if it's aself-hatred, if it's a
judgmental, if it's the Lordhates me, the Lord's
disappointed in me.
If it's, whatever the messageis, whatever the fear is,
whatever the stronghold, thebondage, jesus died.
He set us free and he deliveredus.
(47:26):
And whatever we have need of.
If there's demonic oppression,he's the answer.
If there's sickness, he's theanswer.
If there's a stronghold, he'sthe answer.
No is finished, and he has madeprovision.
(47:50):
And so now what we get to do iswe get to allow Holy Spirit to
highlight what it is that hewants to do in our heart next,
in our heart next.
And so I like to make ananalogy of our lives.
(48:10):
Much like the children ofIsrael invited into the promised
land, okay.
So when the children of Israelwere given the promised land, it
was a promise, okay, it'stheirs.
It's theirs, right?
Just does the lord say oh guesswhat, I changed my mind.
No, it belongs to them, right?
(48:30):
And now we get to venture intothe character of the lord.
Does the lord give and takeaway?
No, does the lord givesomething bad?
No, does the lord givesomething.
So all of these things comeinto account, come into play
when we listen and we watch theprocess of the children of
Israel possessing the land thatwas given to them without
(48:54):
exception.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Okay, it was given to Abraham.
Okay.
Then Moses said all right, I'mreminded this land that I'm
looking at, as far as I can see,the Lord has given it to me,
the Lord has given it to us, theLord has given it to these
people.
It's a promise, therefore it'sours.
And so what did he do?
He sent in the 10 spies and, asas we know they eight of them
(49:19):
come, came back with the reportthat the land's flowing with
milk and honey, but there'sgiants in there and we are
grasshoppers in their presence,and it's.
They come back with the reportthe Lord's tricked us.
They come back with the reportthat why did the Lord give us
something?
And then it has giants in it.
He must not love me, he mustnot take care of me.
(49:41):
There must be a mistake, theremust be.
Why did they come back withthis type of report?
Because they were seeing itthrough the lens of their own
strength, their own limitation.
They weren't holding on to thepromise of this land has been
given to you.
They were seeing it as oh, godgave it to me, but it's my job
(50:02):
to defeat and I can't.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
I'm a grasshopper.
What are you thinking?
I believe this about myself andI'm not.
I can't.
I'm a grasshopper.
What are you thinking?
I believe this about myself andI'm not capable, and they know
I'm not capable.
So what kind of joke was this?
God Exactly.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
So their heart was filled with terror, unbelief,
all kinds of stuff.
And then they come back andthey spread that into the camp,
right?
But there were two other peoplethat went in and they went into
the same land and they cameback with a very similar report,
didn't they?
The land is flowing with milkand honey.
There's abundance.
(50:34):
There's great there, yeah, it'samazing.
And there's giants in the land.
They came back with the sametruths, but with very different
perspectives.
Eight of them had theperspective of their own
strength.
Two of them held on to thepromise that this is exciting.
The Lord, this is the land theLord gave us.
(50:56):
Yes, go get it.
The giants were not an issuefor them, because they knew that
the Lord had already madeprovision for the giants.
They really came in with theperspective that they're already
defeated because this is myland.
This is my land.
They're squatters.
This is my land and I trust theLord.
(51:18):
It's very much like King Davidwhen he was up against Goliath,
who the children of Israel wereseeing the perspective of the
giant and their own weakness.
David was seeing theperspective of the Lord.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
Yeah, we have a covenant.
Why is this guy so cocky?
We're the ones with thecovenant, that's what it is.
Let's just put that.
He was talking about covenant.
Exactly, he doesn't have acovenant, we do.
What's the problem?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Let's go do this.
That's right.
He was holding on to the truththat what god says, god does.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Yeah and so that's what we're saying, you're saying
, happens.
You're leading people right inthis encounter with you.
What I mean, really, it'sbringing the lord right into
this.
He's already paid for this.
I get the perspective of whoyou actually are, who he says
you are, because it's who youare in him Exactly.
And the giant gets slayed,exactly.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
And so what you get to do, what we get to do, is the
children of Israel.
They possess the land little bylittle, didn't they?
Yeah, they possessed it.
They grew in strength, theygrew, grew in numbers, and as
they grew they would bump intogiants.
And we grow, we live, and thenwe bump into giants.
And then we live, and then webump into giants.
(52:34):
And then, when we bump into agiant, we get to remember.
We get to remember oh, who am I,who is he and what's his
perspective?
Who am I?
Who is he and what's hisperspective?
Who am I, who is he and what'shis perspective?
(52:57):
His perspective is it isfinished.
His perspective is I.
When I promised it to you, Imeant it, and so when he said it
is finished, on the cross, hemade provision for us to possess
(53:17):
who it is, that we are and livein that abundant life.
And so all I do every day ishelp people really connect with
themselves and the Lord inplaces and remember who they are
and bring forth that reality inplaces where they have believed
(53:38):
a lie, lived in a lie, lived ina place of captivity, things
that have happened to people,and we bring in the fact that
and reconnect them with Jesus.
In that place, watch and watchthe salvation of our God and
watch the freedom and watch thempossess land that they didn't
(54:00):
have before.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
And I've experienced it with you.
I've watched it happen in frontof me.
This is the gospel.
This is actually what we needto see happening, because it's
been all done, and so you dothis one on one.
But you also like I first metyou you come to the church and
(54:22):
you're helping a whole crowd, awhole group of women understand
this.
And guess what, even I didn'tshare this with you since I
talked to you last, just on lastSunday evening.
I'm sitting next to a friend ofmine and she ended up asking
prayer for me on something and Icould see what was going on in
her heart and she recognized ittoo, and so we, right there, had
(54:45):
this beautiful little exchangeand it was like okay, god, I
love you, jesus and susan.
It's like the more we, you,understand how this is, the more
you're just helping otherpeople.
You can, god can do it rightwith you in your own space and
you, because he's done the workand he's the one who's doing it,
whether it's with susan at yourchurch or by yourself.
(55:08):
He's the one who's done it.
Yes, I'm doing the miracle.
So it's just knowing.
The practicality of this isright now god in us, who's done
it all and desperately wantslike I love how you've said it
that the benefit of what,everything he paid for.
He spent his blood for thisfreedom for us, yes, and he
(55:29):
wants the reward of our freedomI set you free, to make you free
.
Yes, yeah, and he wants to seeus free and he's there to do it
right now right now,experientially yeah, yes, yes,
so those.
I know that we've gone a littlebit of time here, so we've got
to wrap this up, but I obviouslyI'm looking at the camera to
(55:51):
the people that are listening tothis.
You can go to loved intolifecom, right, it'sorgorg?
Loved into lifeorg, thank you,and see a little bit more
exactly what we've been talkingabout.
The sound bites that are goingto be available are available on
our website.
You can schedule time withSusan, or you can have her come
(56:12):
to your church or, if some ofyou can get on our schedule.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
Businesses, too.
Businesses I love to work withbusinesses.
Yeah Well, how do you do thatwith businesses?
What we do is we deal with thethings that hinder us from
thriving in relationship,thriving in job, thriving in
communication, anything wherewe're not thriving.
This will help us to unpackwhat it is that's causing us to
(56:36):
be able to do that, and sorelational inner dynamics is
100% this, and so it's learninghow to act as a team and
anything that hinders that.
We work on it and empowerpeople to understand what's
going on inside of them and beable to make remarkable changes.
(56:56):
Many times they don't connectwith the Lord, but they can
connect with themselves andcommunicate to their own heart
that this is over and it's donewith.
So there's many ways.
Like I love it the psalm 130,verse 7, when it says there's a
thousand ways to set us free,but any type.
Anytime you've got people,there's an opportunity.
(57:17):
Anytime you've got anystructure, there's an
opportunity for more relationalconnection, more relational
freedom.
It's a great foundation tobuild a healthy business.
On.
Wow, yeah, because getting themout of that virtual reality
response into what am I doing,into being able to live more
authentically, yeah, Let meinterject this one last thing
(57:40):
about brain science that I lovethat you just brought up, and
that is that when we experiencesomething that we don't have
capacity for, we regress intoour brain until we get into the
fight, flight, freeze area andwe're there, our relational
circuits are off and we are nolonger present.
(58:03):
We are in self-preservation, andso what we want to be able to
do is do life from a whole brain, which means both our thinking
brains, both our thinking andour experiential brain, are
thinking the same thing in union, and so what happens is that
allows us to be in our adultbrain, and when we're in our
(58:23):
adult brain, we can be presentin our true self, and so that's
where we want our businesses togo from, that's where we want
our lives to flow from, is frombeing in the present day with
our adult self, relationallyconnected.
So our heart is to be wholebrain present, and what we
(58:46):
understand is when we're present, that's when we really can
encounter his presence in afabulous way the
transformational beautiful giantslang that I have experienced
with you is nothing but amiracle, and Jesus is right
they're the one who's done it,amen.
He's loving us into life so wecan live from our authentic
(59:06):
heart, not our history rightyeah, thank you, susan, for
taking the time.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Thank you for what you do.
I hope people listen to this.
We want to spread it as much aspossible, just because it's
needed everyone.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
Thank you, lenora.
It's my passion to make thisnormal, because it is the gospel
.
He loves us and he wants us tonot only know it in our, but
also experience it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:38):
What he did it for, thank you.
Thank you for listening andtalk to you again another time.
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