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Hi, everybody, This is BobGail, co creator Back to the Future,
and you're listening to Brad Gilmore.Stop stop, okay, black Stock,
it's me three, it's Martin.You can't just set you back to
the future. Oh. I knowyou did send me back to the future,
but I'm back. I'm back fromthe future. A right, Wait
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a minute, wait, by goshfive, are you telling me that you
built the time machine the way Isee it? If you're gonna build a
time machine out the car, whynot doing some style. Comic Palooza twenty
twenty four, How we do it? Now? Come on, I know
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you'all been here all day, butwe got more interergyw than that. Comic
Palusa twenty twenty four. How wedo it? Welcome to Back to the
Future of the Podcast Live. Myname is Brad Gilmore. I've been the
host of this podcast since twenty fifteen. Have picked a good year to get
it darted. I've done over tenseasons now this is the first time I've
done it live in front of anaudience, in front of what we call
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our fans pinheads. Right, weunderstand the reference. I hope, of
course we do. Marty's band andI'm excited to talk to you all because
today was a big day for me. I'm gonna introduce you to our panel.
But I got to meet Michael J. Fox Christopher Lloyd for the first
time. Anybody else got to meethim today. No, you have pictures,
a couple of pictures. Right.What was your experience, sir?
Did you enjoy yourself? It wasawesome? Right, It was an out
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of body experience for a lot ofus. But let me introduce you to
the panel. We're gonna talk abouta lot of things. We're going to
talk about the trilogy, obviously,break down our favorite ones of them.
We'll kind of rank the series ifyou will talk about some of our favorite
side characters. You just made agrimace. It's easier than you think.
Trust me, there is a rightanswer to the best Back to the Future
movie and all of that. Solet me start all the way to my
left. He is the proprietor ofa podcast called Comic Cast, which will
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also be here tomorrow at three o'clockon the main podcast Pavilion stage. You
also might know him for his workwith ES ninety seven five here in the
city of Houston. Mister Michael Carrol, Michael, how you doing good?
Thank you for having me Brad,I appreciate it. Hello everyone. Michael
and I became buddies at the radiostation that I also worked for, ESPN
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I seventy five because he is sucha comic book geek and a comic Farris.
Yes, yes, accurate, accurate, accurate, So we're gonna have
fun talking to him. And thenalso to my left right here, his
name is Jeff Smith. He isthe man who directed the documentary about Clue,
the movie the nineteen eighty five cultclassic movie Clue called Who Done It?
The Clue Documentary, which also featuresour favorite Christopher Lloyd in it.
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So this is Jeff Smith. Welcome, Jeff Smith. Hello. Also flew
in from California to be here,had to make a pit stop in Dallas,
and for that I am sorry forhim. Okay, to my immediate
right you might know him nerd tropolisdot com. He's the mayor of nerd
Tropolis. Sean, how you doingman, very good? Thanks for having
him. Excited to talk back tothe future. So this has been my
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favorite movie my entire life since Ican remember. I actually saw it on
the Disney Channel for the first timeback in like ninety nine, two thousand,
somewhere around there. I'm sure alot of y'all saw it in theaters.
This guy was like, how didyou do it in ninety nine?
Yeah, I know, I waslate to the game, all right,
don't blame me. I was justborn in the wrong time. But I
want to open it up to thefloor. Michael, I will start with
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you, man, when did youfirst find Back to the Future. Uh,
when I was a kid, Iwatched it. I don't I think
it was on VHS. I assumethat's how I watched it, because,
like you, I was born alittle bit after the first one released,
and then you know, I waslike two when the other two released,
so I discovered it more as akid. But like I was telling Sean
beforehand, it's been a while sinceI watched these movies, so rewatching them
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back to back to back leading upto this panel was an experience, to
say the least. Why you saythat, just because, like you,
like, when I was a kid, I watched it, like I watched
the first one and then you know, did whatever. You know, it
was a long time before I watchedthe second one. But watching a back
to back to Back Like it feelslike a continuous story that I just didn't
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remember that, Like it didn't likeRegister when I was a kid, you
know what I mean, Like itjust didn't I missed certain things that I
picked up on now, you know. And then Jeff, Now Jeff I
was, like I said, hedid Clue the documentary? Who done it?
The Clue documentary which also came outin nineteen eighty five. Any Clue
fans in a year we have Clues? Oh beautiful, definitely see is documentary.
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It's a great documentary. A lotof the cash is in it.
Yeah, talk to me. What'syour earliest back to the coach? I
am old enough to have seen Backto the Future. I run away.
Yeah, the Gray, Uh,I have seen. Ironically, I've seen
Back to the Future in the theaterwhen I was a kid, but did
not see Clue in the theater becauseClue was gone real fast from the theater
that December of eighty five. Butyeah, I saw in the theater.
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And then since I'm from South California, I remember going to Universal Studios that
summer and the DeLorean was there inthe line for all to see while you
waited for the studio, so thatwas kind of a big deal. So
yeah, then I've seen all threein the theater because I'm old enough to
have seen all three in the theater. So I waited for Back to the
Future too, because we had towait till nineteen eighty nine to seek Back
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to the Future too. I feellike we needed to make sure that all
demographics were covered, you know,in natage range. And that's why Jeff
really was here. He's filling aquota for us. Yeah, hey,
happy to help. And then Sean, what about you, man? I
mean, you and I have bondedover our love for Back to the Future
and all things nerved them. Buttalk to me about your experience. So
I'm a nineties kid, so Ihave very fond memories watching a lot of
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movies and television. I'm a big, big Michael J. Fox fan,
loved everything. I wanted to behis best friend. When I was a
kid in the nineties, I waslike, this is the guy I want
to be friends with. I mean, he looked like a kid throughout his
whole life pretty much. Yeah still, but I think from airing on TV
and going to Blockbuster and pick upthe you know, the vhs, my
parents were. I mean, that'sreally where I found it and just fell
in love with it. I mean, I have such vivid memories of watching
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it many times. I mean probablyI'll close one hundred times between the three
films. Yeah, I mean it'sone of the probably and I think everybody
in here would agree, most rewatchablemovies of all time. The trilogy in
itself, you can continue to watch, watch, and watch and still find
little parts and little nuggets that youdidn't see before. It's really been an
honor to do this podcast and tobe in front of you all to talk
about it, because we're about toget into the debate of which is the
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best Back to the Future movie?And there is a correct answer for this,
so I'm gonna tell you this rightnow. But I've been able to
have conversations with Christopher Lloyd, likewe've talked about. He's been on the
podcast. Bob Gail, who cocreated Back to the Future, has been
on the podcast twice. Leah Thompson, Crispin Glover has been on the show,
James Tolkien who couldn't make it,don Full of Love. I've had
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most of the cast on there.And what's consistent with all of them is
the rewatchability of it, and Ithink that it's been timeless for so many
people because of not only the nostalgiaof it, but at the end of
the day, it's a movie aboutchoices and how choices impact our entire life,
and how if you did one thingdifferently one time, your entire life
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would have been different. And Ithink that the group calls of that or
the root story of that movie iswhat makes it resonate with us so much.
And the Deloreon is pretty badass toI think that has something to do
with it. Well, Okay,I want to open the floor to this,
what is the best of the series, because I feel like y'all going
to have an obvious answer. There'san obvious answer, and then there's a
correct answer, do you know whatI'm saying? So, Michael, what's
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just the best in the series accordingto you? We'll get everyone's answers and
then we'll debate. I go back, like, honestly, I'm like tied
between the first two. No,I'm sorry the third one. I'm going
to lean towards the second one.Okay, I just liked I like the
different aspects of like for one,going to the actual future in this one
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going to twenty fifteen. Wow,what a way to go to twenty fifteen.
And like the going back and seeingparts of the first one play out
in different ways, but from hisperspective, like Marty's perspective in the in
this new point of view. Ireally like that, Like I thought that
was really fun. And two like, having rewatched it recently, like that
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still like holds up, like justthe look of it, Like there's some
that's little whatever, but it stillholds up in a lot of ways.
I really, I don't know.I like the second one. I like
the where it goes and the secondone going to the future, going to
the past, back to nineteen fiftyfive, And I don't know, I
like that balance of number two.Okay, number two, number two.
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We're gonna see where we stand onthat here. After everyone answers, so
what do you think, Jeff,which is the best of the trilogy.
The first one is the best one. And that's yeah, all I have
to say it, because easy answer. It's very easy. It's the first
one. That's it. That's allyou got for me. You're saying the
first every movie is the best one. No, but usually no, I
would say, I do think thatage has a part to do it that
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again, I have to go intoGrandpa mode. That's that's the one I
saw. And then I think becausemaybe I had to wait so long for
two that when two kind of camearound, like most movies, like when
you it's hard to live up tothe hype, especially because one is so
incredible. That being said, Ido my favorite parts of two are going
back into one because that you reallyhadn't seen before, so that's pretty cool.
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And then three is fun because thenostalgia like three, I love.
I love the opening credits of three. That's my favorite part because I love
the music and just going back.That's like the first kind of time we
ever saw something that was almost likelike fan service, but not in a
bad way, like seeing docs houseagain. Even though in the movie Timeline
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it was yesterday, we were justthere. But for us that lived through,
you know, going through the movieswhen they came out, it had
been five years and it was kindof like, oh, we're back.
It's neat that's why it's funny.And back to the future too, when
he says, I feel like youwere here yesterday, you were we were
like we weren't. It was fouryears ago. But yeah, number one,
number one, Okay, okay,Sean, I'm gonna throw to you.
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You ask me this question like yearsago, I'll probably say this.
Number two is my favorite. Imean, it's super cool going in the
future. As I keep rewatching themover the years, I just I don't
know why I find myself watching allof them as I get older. I
kind of love three. I thinkit's a full circle movie. This is
a man who gets it, youknow what I mean. This is a
man who's got intelligence. So Imean I have I have My favorite scenes
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are in part two. But somethingabout three, the story for doc and
just kind of a conclusion and really, you know, setting up something that
could have been special if we doget a fourth film is awesome. But
I don't know. It is somethingabout that, as you keep watching you
get older, you actually appreciate threemuch more for what it was trying to
do, and it's it's a shameit's underappreciated. So every time I tell
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people ask what's your favorite, Isaid, go watch three again and really
pay attention. But also watching one, two and three in order might help
you appreciate number three the most.I think the rewatchability of like, I
think the answer is Back to theFuture Part three is the best one in
my opinion. Now, y'all canshake your head all you want to.
You can debate me all you wantto. There's there's look that you can
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home alone me all you I'm notshaking my head. I'm personally holding my
head and so I'm not sure youneed to update your references. Old man,
I'm just kidding. But but tome, and what I agree with
with Sean is that the Back tothe Future three having acause if you think
about Back to the Future one perfectmovie, I think we all agree right
Back to the Future of one perfectmovie. We're out of applause, Yes,
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okay, Quentin Tarantino I also saidit was a perfect movie. Quentin
Tarantino says it's a perfect movie,and I would, you know, agree
with that. But to me,in part one, what is what do
y'all think Marty's flaw is? Andthis has always been a hold up for
me because in every great movie,somebody has something that they need to get
over and get passed in order tobecome different at the end and more realized
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or what have you in Back tothe Future one, you can make the
argument that Marty is more so we'relooking at the story through his eyes.
Yes, he's trying. Hold on, Jeff, I know you want to
get in here. Hold on,wait you turn take a ticket. But
but to me, yes, he'strying to get his parents back together.
But really, it's Crispin Glover's story. George McFly. It's George McFly's story
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of him overcoming his fear of rejection, punching Biff out at the Enchantment under
the Sea dance, and that's howhe grows. In the second and third
movie, we get introduced to Martyhaving this flaw, being called a chicken
and or yellow, as they referto Jeff. Yellow is a colloquialism in
the South. I just don't knowif you know that. Why are you
picking on me? All said,I don't know, because you're right next
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to Nick. Yes, that's whyI put a chair in three nuts.
I didn't all get picked on.Sean was smart. That's why I sat
to the left exactly. I canbarely see mc from over there. Backup.
No, but but when you thinkabout it, they introduced this flaw
for Marty that gets paid off inthree. And then also you get a
story for Doc. You know,Doc gets a love story and he gets
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to have, you know, histime with Clara Clayton, who he falls
in love with and see. Andwhat I love about it is Doc thinks
so scientific about everything, you know, he's zero's in one. It's the
science behind everything. And he evensays to Marty earlier and back to the
future three, it's ridiculous to thinkthat I'd fallen in love at first sight.
There's no such thing. There's noexplanation for something like that. And
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then he figures it out, Hefinds it out, and he realizes through
love that everything that he's done upuntil this point has been meaningless or a
mistake. He talks about time travelbeing mistake. Now that ends up kind
of changing towards the end of themovie. But I feel like you get
a conclusion for Marty that makes sense, you get a conclusion for Doc that
makes sense, and it takes placein the Old West, and it's just
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nice and slow and it's a lovestory. So that's why I think three
is the best No One, NoLove for that. I thought that was
a really good explanation, thank you, thank you, thank you, or
what do you think you were gonnasay something? Marty's flaw in the first
one is that his father. Hedoesn't respect his father. Therefore he has
learned not to respect himself, whichis why he doesn't send the demo tape
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to the record company. Through savinghis father by going back in time,
he learns to be a mentor tohis father and tells him if he believes
himself, he can accomplish anything.His father does the same thing at the
end, and Marty learns to believein himself. Well, when you put
it like that, what do youthink mc thus calcual development. Well,
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here's the thing though, I wantto give Michael credit on is saying Back
to the Future two, see mygentleman here wearing the hat and the jacket.
I think that the most and hispockets are inside out and his pockets
inside out because he's a player.But I think that when you think about
the Back to the Future trilogy,there might be more iconography from Back to
the Future two than any other one. When I was writing my notes for
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this, that's the one that Iwrote the most notes on because there was
more not that there wasn't anything thatI didn't enjoy of the first one or
the third one. It's just therewas stuff that stood out to me more
with the hoverboard, with the hoverboardchase sequence, the actually going back and
dealing with different aspects of Back tothe Future Part one. Like, there's
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different moments that just stood out tome more in that one that I also
related to in some ways. SoI thought it was really I thought,
I like, that's why I likethat that second one so much. But
I do agree first one's perfect.Well, first one's perfect, but we're
not talking about what movies perfect.We're talking about it's perfect. I mean
it's perfect. So then you gotto you know whatever, Well, I
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mean two is exciting. I meantwo is exciting. We get a lot
of collectibles from two, right,a lot of cool products and stuff we
can think about it. You havethe hoverboard, the Pexic coolos, the
PEPSI perfect, the Nike shoes,the Nike shoes, the jacket, I
mean everything he has right there.The Almanac, right, I don't think
there's a better, like, youknow, the Almanac is so iconic.
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And then you have all the thingsthat they got right about twenty fifteen you
know where, Oh yeah, somany things. Yeah, what are you
looking at? Like that's flying carsthat are out there in the parking lot.
Well, you know, we havenot flying cars, and we had
something that was technically called a hoverboard, although I don't think that it really
classifies as it. I mean,they could have put a cyber truck.
I'd been cool if they predicted thecyber truck. But I mean think about
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they predicted stuff like paying for thingswith your thumb print right, picture and
picture television. They even really hadthe Apple glasses before anybody else where.
You're watching things there and answering phonecalls right there. Alexa was essentially how
he would come through the door,as you know, turn on the lights
and what have you. So Ialso I think that when you think of
the iconography and the flying DeLorean,although it's at the end of Back to
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the Future one, it's really featuredprominently in two. So with all of
that, like the iconography to me, is is the strongest in Back to
the Future two. What do youhave to say to that, Jeff.
If that's what you like in yourmovie, that's fine. I mean the
first movie is in part two technicallykind of you know, when they go
back, so you get both ofboth worlds. I guess the best of
both. I mean, so,what's your what's your definitive ranking? Since
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we see you seem to be thegrand puba here, I'm not traffic,
but I'll say it's it's one isthe best, two is the next,
and then it's three. It's rightin order. Okay, let's let's ask
the people. This show is allabout the people. It's always about the
people. Okay, if you do, you think Back to the Future one
is the best of the trilogy.Clap your hand. I didn't say you
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had to stand, I said,okay, Back to the Future two is
the best. Clap your hand.I think two might have one on that
one. Okay, Back to theFuture three, clap your hand, don't
the mic the mike. I thinktwo might have won that one. I
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think two loves them all equally?Yeah? Who loves them all equally?
Yeah? Everybody here. Now,there are a couple things that, like
you said, not only did fouryears pass between Back to the Future one
in eighty five and then Back tothe Future two that came out in November
of nineteen eighty nine, but therewere some cast members that changed, right,
Crispin Glover, who did phenomenally andBack to the Future Part one was
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not in Back to the Future twoor three is replaced by Jeffrey wist This
was Crispin Glover when you interviewed him, she was great. Man. Yeah,
he was a little It's the mostCrispin Glovery thing he said. I
mean, everything that came out ofhis mouth was Glovery. He was Crispin
Glovery, like from the bottom tothe top, you know what I mean?
And what was it was one ofthe person huh. It was over
the phone. Okay, so youdon't have to worry about getting kicked in
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the head. I didn't have toworry about any anything. I wasn't like
Letterman, you know what I mean. There was no Letterman issues. But
he was great. But it wasreplaced by Jeffrey Wiseman. Now I wanted
to ask, y'all, when didyou realize this, because as a kid
watching the movie, I never knewthat it was a different person. I
just realized now when you told metoday, years old, you had no
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idea. Yeah, Chrispin's not andhe attempted to like Sue because he was
like you're using like this he didwin Yeah, oh wow. Yeah.
He ended up suing the production becausethey tried to make it look like Crispin
Glover with using prosthetics on Jeffrey Watch. She's looking it up right now,
going she doesn't believe him. No, it's true. Honestly, I wouldn't
believe me either, you know whatI mean? But you true, you
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definitely don't have a believable face.But did a good job, right,
They did a good job. Butso yeah, he ended up suing him
because they use his likeness and theirnew now rules and sag after where you
can't use a character's likeness without theirpermission. But say again, one hold
on? Why does change every twolied to? You feel betrayed? Betrayed?
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Yeah? Did you say you feelbehooved? Is that what she said?
What a great word? Congratulations?I feel behooved too. Is it
good to be behooved? That soundslike a fifties thing? Is it good
to be behoover bad to be Doyou learned that in fifty five? Behooved?
Are you going to a traveler?Are you going to a shin dig
after this or a sock hop orsomething? It's just so okay, So
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that was can talk after It's okay. I understand that was big, but
to me even bigger. Did youknow it's a different Jennifer. That's what
it's about to be? Okay,this is another technically three Jennifers because the
original one was Malaura Harden, right, and she was too tall for Michael
J. Fox. Yeah, there'sa lot going on with this franchise.
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That happens, man, that's true. Truey is Eric Stoltz's hand right now,
adults, Hold on, now,have y'all seen the Eric Stultz footage?
A lot of y'all of what's comeout? What did we think?
Did we like that or did y'allsee it? I think they made a
very good choice. Why why yousay that? Because Michael J. Fox
is a better Marty, But hewas the original choice, right. I
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just couldn't get him right, andI wanted the last thing in disguise.
Yeah, the producer on Family Tiesdidn't even tell Michael J. Fox that
he was up for Back to theFuture, and then so they hired Stoltz.
Stoltz worked for weeks. They shotfor seven weeks on the original Back
to the Future movie, and accordingto Christopher Lloyd and Tom Wilson, who
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played Biff. They said that,uh, they gotten to the point in
the movie where you started wrapping upand saying, Okay, what are you
working on next? Like what doyou have coming up this summer? Things
like that. And they were allcalled to the lot one night and they
were told and Eric Stults had beenfired after seven weeks of filming the movie
and they're going to have to reshootessentially the entire thing with a new actors
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to them all everybody. But whatstands out to me about that is that
every actor except for Michael J.Fox is redoing this movie. This is
their second run through. Do youthink they did it the same or do
you think they went, oh good, I'm glad to change it up a
little bit. I think I wouldchange it right, I had to,
especially now you have to also lookdown right right, And Claudia Wells is
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like, yes, but between butI wanted to ask really about the Jennifers,
because the original Jennifer was Claudia Wellsin Back to the Future two.
In Back to Future she couldn't returnbecause her mother had an illness, and
so they were placed with Elizabeth shoe, which I know Elizabeth Shoe. You
know, people like Shoe, butI don't like her more than the original
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Jennifer. I'm an OG Jennifer guy. How mixeding most If you're an OG
Jennifer person, I knew you wouldreI'm getting some people to say, no,
you don't like you don't like theoriginal Jennifer didn't have it. Neither
did Elizabeth. The whole she literallyslept or two and three she stood that
excellent John. I believe she wasasleep. Yeah, I mean she was
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girl, she was in everything.So I mean that's why I kind of
prefer the original Jennifer. You believeshe was asleep. He bought it.
You were in there, She's sleepingon those laser discs in the alley.
I'm like, yep, what aboutyou, Michael? Did you did you
notice the two different Jennifers. Yeah, well, especially recently when you watch
it back to back. Wait whatYeah, it's very it's very obvious.
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But I'm more of an OG aswell. OG Jennifer. Well, you're
an OG in general, but you'reend like, thank you, respect props.
I'm not going to continue this,but I but I will say like
Jennifer throughout the whole. I willsay she's underutilized throughout, especially in last
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two. She's just underutilized. Idon't know that there's I don't know what
directions you would want to go,but like I would have liked to have
seen more from that character in someways, Well didn't she as the guy
who wrote the book, isn't ittrue that there was never an intention of
doing Back to the Future two andthree? And Zamechasan Gaible said, like
if we knew Jennifer never would havegotten in the car, because immediately they
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went, all right, what arewe doing with this? Yeah, and
then he thought of something really quickobviously, like knock her on the porch.
Yeah, knock her out, sleepover here and then go see yourself
fall down, get in the carasleep. What do we do with her
right there? Let's put we openthe door. No, it's a dream.
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Let's put her on the porch andwe'll pick this up. And yeah,
well that works out. I'm sureshe's fine. Yeah, even though
like there's bars and there's like it'sfine, rabbit dogs right in through the
street like nothing rough night in Hilldaleexactly. Well, I mean, would
you have liked to see more fromJennifer. Yeah, because I mean she's
part of the story. I meanshe's gonna be Marty's wife and they're gonna
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have kids, and so her herstory is just as important as everyone else's.
Now it's married in the Chapelo Lovetook the lines out of my out
of my mouth because Sean recently becameengaged. You know, let's give you
up here after seeing Back to theFuture of the musical, right, Yeah,
so I wanted this, obviously proposedto her, tricked to go to
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New York and like, I wantearly want to see the musical. I'm
this big fan. Obviously there's alsothe Rockefeller Tree lighting we can go see,
and so yeah, that was thewhole purpose of the trip. But
actually was just an engagement trip.Actually, there's an engagement Congratulations, you
gotta get married in the Chapel Loveis the question. Oh, maybe we'll
just go on to the Back tothe Future and just get on stage and
do it there you're at the musical. Yeah, maybe you have that kind
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of pool. No, I don't. I didn't think. Now when we're
talking about the rankings of the movie. So Michael, give me yours.
Uh two one three two one threeone two three three. I mean originally
I was two one three, I'mbut I'm trying to champion three. So
I mean I'm I'm at three twoone three two one. You're putting one
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at the end, Yeah, becausepart two gave us a lot of cool
stuff, are you. I don'tknow what's going on over here. I
came here to fight. I almostjust passed out. I almost pulled out.
Elizabeth sho Jennifer collapsed on the ground. Now, some of the original
choices for Doc were really interesting,right, I mean they're they're you know.
Jeff Goldbloom was considered for Christopher boyGow, John Lithgow was considered,
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but the most inspired choice, EddieMurphy was considered for Doc Brown. What
Eddie Murphy was gonna be this completely? He was like barely older than Michael
J. Fox back then. Well, it would have made a little bit
more sense for them to be hangingout. That's a good point. I
don't really explain that, Thank you, John Mulaney, you know, made
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a little bit more sense. Yeah, but what do you think of Eddie
Murphy as Doc? Sure? Ithink if they were to do it now,
he'd be a great doc, right, that'd be like a cool little
mix. And now I could seemaybe edem then, So okay, if
we're recasting in twenty twenty four,Eddie Murphy is Doc Brown. No as
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Doc Little Dolt. Doc he hadthat one in the chamber. Somebody please
say, somebody sent me for DocLittle Little that's her? Might Murphy go
too? The other big fandom thisis where I'm getting with this with these
different recastings. The other big fandomthat I'm a part of is professional wrestling.
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Right. I've worked in pro wrestlingfor twelve years with a guy named
Booker T who's a Houston you know, icon and legend, and we work
in this company called Reality Wrestling.So I thought it'd be a funny thing.
Since this movie happened in the eighties, there was a big pro wrestling
boom in the nineteen eighties. Ifwe had to recast Doc as a nineteen
eighties professional wrestler, who are wegoing with? Jeff Rowdy Rowdy Piper,
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Rowdy roddy Pipers? Who do yougot? What do you got these days?
In eighty five? But in eightyfive, a lot of the wrestlers
from navies are hard get right now, it's basically over. Andre and a
giant come in, Yeah, witha really small Marty and awesome to see
the size difference between the two.How's he gonna get through all That's he
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gonna get in the deloreate? That'swhere you're bringing the cyberchruck. What about
you? Mc uh? The firstone that popped in my head was macho
man Randy. Yeah, that's theright answer. Let me see it.
Marty come in with the one isyour Fox's capacitory fool foot? Yeah,
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I'm a fan. I'm a fanof the macho man as Doctor Brown was
up at Delorian, all the slimgyms. I now, I just want
to do the rest of the podcastas a macho man. You should do
that. So what do we thinkthey filed me? I love that.
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I love macho Man Randy Savage asthe recast as the recast Right now,
I want to talk about some ofthe favorite quotes or favorite scenes that y'all
have from Back to the Future andkind of what one stand out the most
when you watch the entire trilogy.What is your favorite scenes? I think
the introduction of the hoverboard is probablythe most iconic scene the instruction. But
my favorite scene with the hoverboard,I think is when he goes back and
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he is in Biff's car and they'rein that tunnel. I think that's one
of my favorite scenes. That sequencegoing on towards the end is really really
fun and really cool. Mc well. I mentioned it earlier that the hoverboard
sequence in that like just mirroring howmuch of the original like chase scene in
the first one, and they mirroredit a bit with the hubber board sequence,
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and I forget who says the lineof like, man, this seems
familiar and yeah it's oh man,Biff, Oh yeah, yeah, I
really I like that that that sequence, So oh we have two for the
humberboard. What do you got you? It's so funny that the the favorite
scenes are the ones that are likethe one in the first one. It's
not like that one because it's justlike the better one in the first movie.
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So I would say the the endof like the final going to the
clock tower in the first one isthe best because I still get nervous that
he's not gonna make it when whenDuck, you know what if all his
party looks down and does that amazingChristoph Lloyd's scream when he like he's losing
his mind because all this is happeningand the tree falls down and it gets
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disconnected and he's like doing I rememberthe audience at the same time he's making
that exact same sound because they're like, he's not going to make it,
and then he does. But there'ssomething about movies that have that kind of
tense scene at the end that you'relike, I hope he does make it
again this time because I don't know, it's it's pretty it's kind of pretty
close. So it's definitely it's theonly Yeah, the clock tower scene is
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mentioned all three movies. Yeah,that's right, they do three times what
you got back. There were peopleclapping after they made it in the theater
since you were there, I wasthere, Well, you were there,
that ticket stuff, that ticket stuffstill yeah, I think he still got
the yeah ticket stuff. I wouldsay, yeah, yes, that's what
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you got. Sure, Yeah theyclapped. Well, I will say it
is like the most like high fivemoment of the movie because they there's so
many things that have to go exactlyright in that moment that I've seen him
at the beginning back to the Futurethree when he makes it at the end,
that's the best scene. It's fromthe first one. Just let it
go, Let it go, neverlet it go. I think that is
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the best scene. And to me, when they were writing this script now,
Bob Gailee and Bob Zemeckis came upwith the idea for Back to the
Future. They always wanted to doa time travel movie. Bob Gail discovered
in his folks basement his old hisdad's old yearbook. He found out that
his dad was the president of hisgraduating class. Said, I would never
have been friends with the president ofmy graduating class. And he said,
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wouldn't it be interesting if you goto you know, school with your parents.
And that's where it came from.But there were several things that did
change throughout. And when you talkabout that being the best scene in the
movie, which I agree with you, I mean the end there is the
best scene. I also think wherethey're in twin Pine Mole and the Macho
Man, Doc Brown says, ifthis baby hits, you were going to
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see some serious shit. Excuse me, But that initially wasn't even gonna happen
because for Indiana Jones and the Kingdoof the Crystal Skull. Fans know,
the original time machine was going tobe a refrigerator that they were going to,
you know, go to a nucleartest site, set off an atomic
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bomb, and send the frigerator backto nineteen eighty five. Which I think
this was a really great thing thatthey decided to change, Jeff, you
mean very good change. Yeah,because the Lorean wasn't the original. They
wanted a Ford came to them andsaid let's do a Mustang. So they're
like a Ford Mustang not not cool? Yeah, they said Doc Brown doesn't
drive a Mustang. But there wereseveral changes. But I think going from
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a refrigerator in the desert in thedesert, you imagine what the like the
scene would be like, Okay,put the fridge in the truck. Now
we're driving to the desert. We'llbe there in four hours. Yeah,
it kind of takes the the uh, the urgency out of it for a
little bit. Well, they werewaiting for, like them to be testing
the bomb, right, they're testingthe nuclear bomb, and they thought this
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would be the right time. Sothere wasn't a lightning strike, there wasn't
a clock tower, there wasn't theDeLorean. There was expensive too, and
the only But that's what I wantto say, at no point in the
process where they like, hey,you know, maybe the fridge not a
great idea. It was only becausethey couldn't afford to shoot it. At
the end. The budget did notallowed to shoot for something that large of
a set piece and have the bomband all that go off. So then
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they decided to change it. We'reat the Universal back lot, let's just
do it here. Yeah, thankgoodness. Now. Also, Doc Brown
wasn't a doc. He was aprofessor. In the original he was prof
instead of doc. Also, itwas the Springtime in Paris dance and not
the Enchantment under the Sea dance.He had a pet monkey and not a
pet dog. So there's no Einsteinin the original movie. But and the
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reason I'm bringing this up is notonly did it omit what you're saying is
the best scene of the film,it also shows this script Back to the
Future part one is taught in filmschool. You know, they show you
this is a perfect script. Thisis how you set up a world,
is how he set up characters.This is how you pay them off.
Here's how you do great exposition withoutfeeling like it's too much. But yet
it took so much to get tothat perfect script, you know, Sean
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like it wasn't a page one.They got it right on the first time.
No, it's a wild how manychanges and what they envisioned wasn't really
what was on screen at the end, I mean, so many changes.
And then it was sposed to bea one off, and I was it
was supposed to be a one off, and that was in of course,
it was the biggest movie of nineteeneighty five. Now favorite, I have
a personal favorite scene that no oneelse is gonna say is their favorite scene
in this movie. It's in nineteenfifty five when doc I mean, excuse
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me, when Marty wakes up inhis mom's bed right and the pants are
over on the hope chest, whichis just a crazy line when you think
of it. My pants are overthere on my hope chest. But then
he goes downstairs they have the dinnerwith the dad and the family and everything,
and he says, you know,no one has the two television sets
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this whole thing. But the lastline of the movie, you know,
or the scene is when he backsup from the table, runs out,
and then the dad says he's anidiot. It comes from upbringing. His
parents are probably idiots too. Andthis is the best scene for me in
the movie. You know what Imean, I'll to son, if you
have a kid like that, I'mgonna disown you. This is a great
scene in the movie. We canjust do the whole movie, right,
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We could do the whole movie.But what I wanted to move on to
is the music in this movie isso iconic, from the score to the
soundtrack itself. Now, you werearound in nineteen eighty five when these songs
played on it what's called a radioright on radio? Yeah, they used
to play songs to talk to youabout. They used to play songs by
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Huey Lewis and the news. Hewas a big deal. Was this a
gramophone that you had or it wasa record player? But those are back
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was the first one. So
I came out from California made That'sall my roast I feel like was that.
But how big was the song?It was huge. It actually came
out my memories that came out evenbefore the movie, so it was already
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like that number one song. Andthen it only helped that the Human Lewis
was huge because that was like duringthe like he had a big hits,
like the hardest hard rock and rolland if this is it the Sports album,
which you see the poster of theSports album in Marty's bedroom, which
I'm sure there's no coincidence. Andalso, by the way, Huey Lewis
an excellent cameo if anybody knows,that's him as the guy that says I'm
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afraid You're just too darn loud tothe Pinheads, which is funny because he's
the rock and roll guy. SoNo, that song was huge, but
I was at a time where likemovies needed to have, like Ghostbusters was
the year before, and that songwas everywhere, so it was kind of
a big deal. And that itshows that. It's also in the opening
credits of the movie that it evengives up that it says the Power of
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Love performed by hus in the Newsis an opening credit thing which you would
never see now. But no,that song was huge. It was big.
It was a big song, bigsong, big soundtrack, had it
vinyl And to me, Alan SilvestrieI think is although he gets his props
aw he does as a composer.I mean for a long time, Spielberg
didn't want him to do the scorebecause he had heard the score Roberts and
Mechis's movie before was from Nancy theStone, which is excellent, but the
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score is kind of like saxophony,kind of jazzy, and so Spielberg had
heard that and he went, don'tuse Alex Sevestry for the to the Future
score. And then to Meccas Houstonanyway, and then uh, Spoolberg heard
the ale s Pastri score, didn'tknow it was ale Savestri and said,
oh, yeah, more like that, that's what you should be doing.
And so I said, all thatit's Alen Semester and Alen SAMESTRII is like
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one of the greatest composers in movies. Yeah, I mean the Avengers score,
I mean so many, so many. But we're actually running a little
bit against time, so let meget to I want to get to the
next thing. Ironically, we're runningout of time, so if anybody has
any questions, we're gonna get toit in a second. But I want
to talk about some of y'all's favoritesecondary characters from the movie, because Back
to the Future we got our corefor Marty Dock, Lorraine, George,
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then there's Biff and of course Jennifer. But there's so many great secondary characters
and back to the future where whetheryou're thinking about Goldie Wilson, I actually
kind of just killed that. Tobe honest with you, well, do
you think I was really impressed withmyself without the microphone? I wantn't know.
But there's so many. So doyou do you have any favorite secondary
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characters? Honestly, I was gonnasay him, Yeah, it's gonna say
Goldie. I like him getting theidea about becoming mayor and and that moment
specifically. I really like that standout, and then the mirroring of the
original like Mayor's campaign, and thenseeing what Goldie does in the in the
present or in their present nineteen eightyfive, I really like that. Ye,
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Mayor Goldie was gonna be hard totop. Who do you have?
I'm gonna okay, I'm gonna goreal deep. I was gonna say before
he was Lewis and as a teacher, but I want to say Mayor Red
Thomas from nineteen fifty five. Wenever see him, yes, we do
on the on the car. Doesanybody know where he reappears. Are you
gonna see the bum at the endsleeping on the bench? That's the mayor
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from nineteen fifty? Both name Red. That's how many reds do you know?
It's what's an older name, soyou would have a better shot at
knowing more resident funny joke every time. So I will say red tops or
needles because I want to own theneedles story, because I believe after needles
like hoses, Marty, he looksup and I think he's looking at the
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boss. I think they set himup. I think the boss was in
the room, and then that's whyhe's able to jump on the call right
away. Midflood, Yeah, midflood, big setup Needles. I want
to know his story. What isup with him? At the end of
Back to Future three when he isreally revved up to race, well,
I think it's because it's played byFlee. I think if it had been
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you know, see Thomas Howell,it wouldn't have been all crazy. He
has revved up for that. Whodo you got your favorite second hear he
read my notes, Goldie Wilson.I think he is the one that has
a limited screen time but at lastingimpression and a big part of the plot
too. I feel like too,he's integrated and his family right in the
future with his I think his grandsonright in the second one that's that's the
mayor. Yeah, yeah, SoI mean like that whole family has a
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lot going on and their story mightbe cool too. Yeah, that's a
good one to you. Again,I find myself to where the majority of
y'all are just giving me the incorrectanswer. So at the end of Back
to the Future too, this isthe best secondary character in the movie.
Marty's just saw the DeLorean get struckby lightning and go to the a and
then a car pulls up in themiddle of the rain right and outsteps a
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gentleman in a trench coat and ahat. We don't know who he could
be. Is he a detective,is he a police officer? What is
he? We don't be armed?Is he armed? And he says,
first of all, the craziest thingis are you Marty McFly I got something
for you? A weird way tolean into that? What a terrible Western
union guy. If that's like hisway to like go up to people,
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is that what he does with everybody? Jeff Smith, I got something for
you, like I don't in therain, and then he reaches in his
coat, very strange, and thenpulls out the letter. You know it's
a it's a letter, right,it's the Western Union man from the end
of the movie, because I wantAnd he said that they had bets in
the office. Now, I don'tknow if anybody's ever dealt with the United
States Postal Service or the Western Unionof any kind. And the believability of
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them keeping a letter for seventy years. I believe it. Actually, I
believe that they know. I don'tthink they knew they had it. And
then like a couple of years beforelike that, yeah, no, what
is this and they're like, oh, shoot, should we still deliver it?
I guess let's make bets. Yeahno, I think it's an accident.
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Then I like Western Union man.I like old man Peabody, you
know who had the crazy idea aboutbreeding pine tree. He was angry too.
Yeah. Yeah, he's shooting ateverybody. He was not pleased.
There's so many great ones. We'reagain, we're running out of time here.
Does anybody before we wrap things up, does anybody have any long standing
back to the future related questions thatyou might answer, yes, sir,
what's your name? Sure, andthat's the whole reason he's in a band.
(41:51):
Yeah, Marvin Barry your cousin.They really wanted to spell that.
We get it. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great one, Johnny be
Good as iconic and it's in oneand two. You know, you get
to see the other things. Yeah, that's a great one. Does anybody
heavity? That's true? That's thepower. That's a good one too.
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Okay, Yeah, I like that. Anybody else have any other any other
questions related to Back to the Futurebefore? We rather a good favorite scene?
That's a good favorite scene, Johnnybe Good? Yeah, the whole
chairman, I mean the chairman.Und see the answer is so good.
We can get to see it twice. No, yeah, I think I
liked it more in the second one. Why is that? Oh, just
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cuz it's like what they did inthe first one. Yeah, yeah,
exactly. It was just better.Yeah, it was just better. Here's
my final question for everybody else.Sean, I'll start with you. What
makes this movie so iconic? Andwhy do we still talk about it now
forty plus years later or forty yearslater? I think it's because of Michael
J. Fox and Chrisopher Lloyd.At the end of the day, I
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don't think it would have been whatit is without those two. I think
they make those films. Michael,I can't imagine those movies without their performances.
Like without them that movie, Idon't know that it's a timeless classic
as it is pun him intended.Jeff, why is this movie so rewatchable?
I just think because it is justa feel good movie that when you
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put it on it you don't haveto watch the whole thing. But it
also for those of us that havewatched it over and over and over again,
which is a lot of people,it immediately takes you back to the
first time you saw it, andnot a lot of movies do that,
where when you watch it you immediatelyfeel I mean, that's what I was
talking about. When you're like Iwonder if he's gonna make it this time,
You're invested in it immediately, andit just it's super positive, which
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is nice. I think, likeI said at the beginning of this panel,
again, the movie is about choicesand the choices that we make.
And honestly, I've spent probably moretime than I should thinking about you know,
if I did this, where wouldI have ended up? If I've
never met Michael Carroll, would Ibe here on the stage today? And
things like that, And it's andit's about choices. And what's so great
too, is it tells us thatthe destiny are all you know, density
(44:15):
or destiny is in our own hands, you know. And that's what Doc
leans in to say to Marty atthe very end. Your futures, whatever
you make it, so make ita good one. And we appreciate you
all for making this a great podcastand hanging out with us for the last
forty five minutes. I want everyoneto shout out where they can find you
all and follow y'all. Yeah,you can check out my website or trouvis
(44:36):
dot com for movie news, reviews, interviews, and trailers, all right,
MC. You can find comiccasts whereveryou get your podcasts, just search
comiccasts ce O my c ast.And you can follow me on all social
media platforms at producer Mic Nights onfive Now Jeff social media, social media
things invented? So where can theyfind you on it? And I'll get
(44:58):
on it eventually. I'm still workingon nice. Uh. You can see
all the socials, including a linkto a podcast that you and I do
called Clue the Movie Podcast because it'sall about Clue. Clue doc as in
brown but Clue dooc dot com.All right, and y'all can all scan
(45:19):
this QR code. I'll lead theseup here if you want to check out
Back to the future of the podcastten seasons interviewed most of the cast on
here. I really recommend you checkingthat out, and also check it out
Clue the Movie podcast that I dowith Jeff. You can follow me on
all social media at brad Gilmore Roadswhere we're going. We don't need roads.
Comic Balus at twenty twenty four,Thank you so much for having us
out. We appreciate you
Hi, everybody, This is BobGail, co creator Back to the Future,
and you're listening to Brad Gilmore.Stop stop, okay, black Stock,
it's me three, it's Martin.You can't just set you back to
the future. Oh. I knowyou did send me back to the future,
but I'm back. I'm back fromthe future. A right, Wait
(00:24):
a minute, wait, by goshfive, are you telling me that you
built the time machine the way Isee it? If you're gonna build a
time machine out the car, whynot doing some style. Comic Palooza twenty
twenty four, How we do it? Now? Come on, I know
(00:45):
you'all been here all day, butwe got more interergyw than that. Comic
Palusa twenty twenty four. How wedo it? Welcome to Back to the
Future of the Podcast Live. Myname is Brad Gilmore. I've been the
host of this podcast since twenty fifteen. Have picked a good year to get
it darted. I've done over tenseasons now this is the first time I've
done it live in front of anaudience, in front of what we call
(01:06):
our fans pinheads. Right, weunderstand the reference. I hope, of
course we do. Marty's band andI'm excited to talk to you all because
today was a big day for me. I'm gonna introduce you to our panel.
But I got to meet Michael J. Fox Christopher Lloyd for the first
time. Anybody else got to meethim today. No, you have pictures,
a couple of pictures. Right.What was your experience, sir?
Did you enjoy yourself? It wasawesome? Right, It was an out
(01:30):
of body experience for a lot ofus. But let me introduce you to
the panel. We're gonna talk abouta lot of things. We're going to
talk about the trilogy, obviously,break down our favorite ones of them.
We'll kind of rank the series ifyou will talk about some of our favorite
side characters. You just made agrimace. It's easier than you think.
Trust me, there is a rightanswer to the best Back to the Future
movie and all of that. Solet me start all the way to my
left. He is the proprietor ofa podcast called Comic Cast, which will
(01:53):
also be here tomorrow at three o'clockon the main podcast Pavilion stage. You
also might know him for his workwith ES ninety seven five here in the
city of Houston. Mister Michael Carrol, Michael, how you doing good?
Thank you for having me Brad,I appreciate it. Hello everyone. Michael
and I became buddies at the radiostation that I also worked for, ESPN
(02:13):
I seventy five because he is sucha comic book geek and a comic Farris.
Yes, yes, accurate, accurate, accurate, So we're gonna have
fun talking to him. And thenalso to my left right here, his
name is Jeff Smith. He isthe man who directed the documentary about Clue,
the movie the nineteen eighty five cultclassic movie Clue called Who Done It?
The Clue Documentary, which also featuresour favorite Christopher Lloyd in it.
(02:37):
So this is Jeff Smith. Welcome, Jeff Smith. Hello. Also flew
in from California to be here,had to make a pit stop in Dallas,
and for that I am sorry forhim. Okay, to my immediate
right you might know him nerd tropolisdot com. He's the mayor of nerd
Tropolis. Sean, how you doingman, very good? Thanks for having
him. Excited to talk back tothe future. So this has been my
(03:00):
favorite movie my entire life since Ican remember. I actually saw it on
the Disney Channel for the first timeback in like ninety nine, two thousand,
somewhere around there. I'm sure alot of y'all saw it in theaters.
This guy was like, how didyou do it in ninety nine?
Yeah, I know, I waslate to the game, all right,
don't blame me. I was justborn in the wrong time. But I
want to open it up to thefloor. Michael, I will start with
(03:20):
you, man, when did youfirst find Back to the Future. Uh,
when I was a kid, Iwatched it. I don't I think
it was on VHS. I assumethat's how I watched it, because,
like you, I was born alittle bit after the first one released,
and then you know, I waslike two when the other two released,
so I discovered it more as akid. But like I was telling Sean
beforehand, it's been a while sinceI watched these movies, so rewatching them
(03:44):
back to back to back leading upto this panel was an experience, to
say the least. Why you saythat, just because, like you,
like, when I was a kid, I watched it, like I watched
the first one and then you know, did whatever. You know, it
was a long time before I watchedthe second one. But watching a back
to back to Back Like it feelslike a continuous story that I just didn't
(04:05):
remember that, Like it didn't likeRegister when I was a kid, you
know what I mean, Like itjust didn't I missed certain things that I
picked up on now, you know. And then Jeff, Now Jeff I
was, like I said, hedid Clue the documentary? Who done it?
The Clue documentary which also came outin nineteen eighty five. Any Clue
fans in a year we have Clues? Oh beautiful, definitely see is documentary.
(04:27):
It's a great documentary. A lotof the cash is in it.
Yeah, talk to me. What'syour earliest back to the coach? I
am old enough to have seen Backto the Future. I run away.
Yeah, the Gray, Uh,I have seen. Ironically, I've seen
Back to the Future in the theaterwhen I was a kid, but did
not see Clue in the theater becauseClue was gone real fast from the theater
that December of eighty five. Butyeah, I saw in the theater.
(04:50):
And then since I'm from South California, I remember going to Universal Studios that
summer and the DeLorean was there inthe line for all to see while you
waited for the studio, so thatwas kind of a big deal. So
yeah, then I've seen all threein the theater because I'm old enough to
have seen all three in the theater. So I waited for Back to the
Future too, because we had towait till nineteen eighty nine to seek Back
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to the Future too. I feellike we needed to make sure that all
demographics were covered, you know,in natage range. And that's why Jeff
really was here. He's filling aquota for us. Yeah, hey,
happy to help. And then Sean, what about you, man? I
mean, you and I have bondedover our love for Back to the Future
and all things nerved them. Buttalk to me about your experience. So
I'm a nineties kid, so Ihave very fond memories watching a lot of
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movies and television. I'm a big, big Michael J. Fox fan,
loved everything. I wanted to behis best friend. When I was a
kid in the nineties, I waslike, this is the guy I want
to be friends with. I mean, he looked like a kid throughout his
whole life pretty much. Yeah still, but I think from airing on TV
and going to Blockbuster and pick upthe you know, the vhs, my
parents were. I mean, that'sreally where I found it and just fell
in love with it. I mean, I have such vivid memories of watching
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it many times. I mean probablyI'll close one hundred times between the three
films. Yeah, I mean it'sone of the probably and I think everybody
in here would agree, most rewatchablemovies of all time. The trilogy in
itself, you can continue to watch, watch, and watch and still find
little parts and little nuggets that youdidn't see before. It's really been an
honor to do this podcast and tobe in front of you all to talk
about it, because we're about toget into the debate of which is the
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best Back to the Future movie?And there is a correct answer for this,
so I'm gonna tell you this rightnow. But I've been able to
have conversations with Christopher Lloyd, likewe've talked about. He's been on the
podcast. Bob Gail, who cocreated Back to the Future, has been
on the podcast twice. Leah Thompson, Crispin Glover has been on the show,
James Tolkien who couldn't make it,don Full of Love. I've had
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most of the cast on there.And what's consistent with all of them is
the rewatchability of it, and Ithink that it's been timeless for so many
people because of not only the nostalgiaof it, but at the end of
the day, it's a movie aboutchoices and how choices impact our entire life,
and how if you did one thingdifferently one time, your entire life
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would have been different. And Ithink that the group calls of that or
the root story of that movie iswhat makes it resonate with us so much.
And the Deloreon is pretty badass toI think that has something to do
with it. Well, Okay,I want to open the floor to this,
what is the best of the series, because I feel like y'all going
to have an obvious answer. There'san obvious answer, and then there's a
correct answer, do you know whatI'm saying? So, Michael, what's
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just the best in the series accordingto you? We'll get everyone's answers and
then we'll debate. I go back, like, honestly, I'm like tied
between the first two. No,I'm sorry the third one. I'm going
to lean towards the second one.Okay, I just liked I like the
different aspects of like for one,going to the actual future in this one
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going to twenty fifteen. Wow,what a way to go to twenty fifteen.
And like the going back and seeingparts of the first one play out
in different ways, but from hisperspective, like Marty's perspective in the in
this new point of view. Ireally like that, Like I thought that
was really fun. And two like, having rewatched it recently, like that
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still like holds up, like justthe look of it, Like there's some
that's little whatever, but it stillholds up in a lot of ways.
I really, I don't know.I like the second one. I like
the where it goes and the secondone going to the future, going to
the past, back to nineteen fiftyfive, And I don't know, I
like that balance of number two.Okay, number two, number two.
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We're gonna see where we stand onthat here. After everyone answers, so
what do you think, Jeff,which is the best of the trilogy.
The first one is the best one. And that's yeah, all I have
to say it, because easy answer. It's very easy. It's the first
one. That's it. That's allyou got for me. You're saying the
first every movie is the best one. No, but usually no, I
would say, I do think thatage has a part to do it that
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again, I have to go intoGrandpa mode. That's that's the one I
saw. And then I think becausemaybe I had to wait so long for
two that when two kind of camearound, like most movies, like when
you it's hard to live up tothe hype, especially because one is so
incredible. That being said, Ido my favorite parts of two are going
back into one because that you reallyhadn't seen before, so that's pretty cool.
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And then three is fun because thenostalgia like three, I love.
I love the opening credits of three. That's my favorite part because I love
the music and just going back.That's like the first kind of time we
ever saw something that was almost likelike fan service, but not in a
bad way, like seeing docs houseagain. Even though in the movie Timeline
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it was yesterday, we were justthere. But for us that lived through,
you know, going through the movieswhen they came out, it had
been five years and it was kindof like, oh, we're back.
It's neat that's why it's funny.And back to the future too, when
he says, I feel like youwere here yesterday, you were we were
like we weren't. It was fouryears ago. But yeah, number one,
number one, Okay, okay,Sean, I'm gonna throw to you.
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You ask me this question like yearsago, I'll probably say this.
Number two is my favorite. Imean, it's super cool going in the
future. As I keep rewatching themover the years, I just I don't
know why I find myself watching allof them as I get older. I
kind of love three. I thinkit's a full circle movie. This is
a man who gets it, youknow what I mean. This is a
man who's got intelligence. So Imean I have I have My favorite scenes
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are in part two. But somethingabout three, the story for doc and
just kind of a conclusion and really, you know, setting up something that
could have been special if we doget a fourth film is awesome. But
I don't know. It is somethingabout that, as you keep watching you
get older, you actually appreciate threemuch more for what it was trying to
do, and it's it's a shameit's underappreciated. So every time I tell
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people ask what's your favorite, Isaid, go watch three again and really
pay attention. But also watching one, two and three in order might help
you appreciate number three the most.I think the rewatchability of like, I
think the answer is Back to theFuture Part three is the best one in
my opinion. Now, y'all canshake your head all you want to.
You can debate me all you wantto. There's there's look that you can
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home alone me all you I'm notshaking my head. I'm personally holding my
head and so I'm not sure youneed to update your references. Old man,
I'm just kidding. But but tome, and what I agree with
with Sean is that the Back tothe Future three having acause if you think
about Back to the Future one perfectmovie, I think we all agree right
Back to the Future of one perfectmovie. We're out of applause, Yes,
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okay, Quentin Tarantino I also saidit was a perfect movie. Quentin
Tarantino says it's a perfect movie,and I would, you know, agree
with that. But to me,in part one, what is what do
y'all think Marty's flaw is? Andthis has always been a hold up for
me because in every great movie,somebody has something that they need to get
over and get passed in order tobecome different at the end and more realized
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or what have you in Back tothe Future one, you can make the
argument that Marty is more so we'relooking at the story through his eyes.
Yes, he's trying. Hold on, Jeff, I know you want to
get in here. Hold on,wait you turn take a ticket. But
but to me, yes, he'strying to get his parents back together.
But really, it's Crispin Glover's story. George McFly. It's George McFly's story
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of him overcoming his fear of rejection, punching Biff out at the Enchantment under
the Sea dance, and that's howhe grows. In the second and third
movie, we get introduced to Martyhaving this flaw, being called a chicken
and or yellow, as they referto Jeff. Yellow is a colloquialism in
the South. I just don't knowif you know that. Why are you
picking on me? All said,I don't know, because you're right next
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to Nick. Yes, that's whyI put a chair in three nuts.
I didn't all get picked on.Sean was smart. That's why I sat
to the left exactly. I canbarely see mc from over there. Backup.
No, but but when you thinkabout it, they introduced this flaw
for Marty that gets paid off inthree. And then also you get a
story for Doc. You know,Doc gets a love story and he gets
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to have, you know, histime with Clara Clayton, who he falls
in love with and see. Andwhat I love about it is Doc thinks
so scientific about everything, you know, he's zero's in one. It's the
science behind everything. And he evensays to Marty earlier and back to the
future three, it's ridiculous to thinkthat I'd fallen in love at first sight.
There's no such thing. There's noexplanation for something like that. And
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then he figures it out, Hefinds it out, and he realizes through
love that everything that he's done upuntil this point has been meaningless or a
mistake. He talks about time travelbeing mistake. Now that ends up kind
of changing towards the end of themovie. But I feel like you get
a conclusion for Marty that makes sense, you get a conclusion for Doc that
makes sense, and it takes placein the Old West, and it's just
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nice and slow and it's a lovestory. So that's why I think three
is the best No One, NoLove for that. I thought that was
a really good explanation, thank you, thank you, thank you, or
what do you think you were gonnasay something? Marty's flaw in the first
one is that his father. Hedoesn't respect his father. Therefore he has
learned not to respect himself, whichis why he doesn't send the demo tape
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to the record company. Through savinghis father by going back in time,
he learns to be a mentor tohis father and tells him if he believes
himself, he can accomplish anything.His father does the same thing at the
end, and Marty learns to believein himself. Well, when you put
it like that, what do youthink mc thus calcual development. Well,
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here's the thing though, I wantto give Michael credit on is saying Back
to the Future two, see mygentleman here wearing the hat and the jacket.
I think that the most and hispockets are inside out and his pockets
inside out because he's a player.But I think that when you think about
the Back to the Future trilogy,there might be more iconography from Back to
the Future two than any other one. When I was writing my notes for
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this, that's the one that Iwrote the most notes on because there was
more not that there wasn't anything thatI didn't enjoy of the first one or
the third one. It's just therewas stuff that stood out to me more
with the hoverboard, with the hoverboardchase sequence, the actually going back and
dealing with different aspects of Back tothe Future Part one. Like, there's
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different moments that just stood out tome more in that one that I also
related to in some ways. SoI thought it was really I thought,
I like, that's why I likethat that second one so much. But
I do agree first one's perfect.Well, first one's perfect, but we're
not talking about what movies perfect.We're talking about it's perfect. I mean
it's perfect. So then you gotto you know whatever, Well, I
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mean two is exciting. I meantwo is exciting. We get a lot
of collectibles from two, right,a lot of cool products and stuff we
can think about it. You havethe hoverboard, the Pexic coolos, the
PEPSI perfect, the Nike shoes,the Nike shoes, the jacket, I
mean everything he has right there.The Almanac, right, I don't think
there's a better, like, youknow, the Almanac is so iconic.
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And then you have all the thingsthat they got right about twenty fifteen you
know where, Oh yeah, somany things. Yeah, what are you
looking at? Like that's flying carsthat are out there in the parking lot.
Well, you know, we havenot flying cars, and we had
something that was technically called a hoverboard, although I don't think that it really
classifies as it. I mean,they could have put a cyber truck.
I'd been cool if they predicted thecyber truck. But I mean think about
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they predicted stuff like paying for thingswith your thumb print right, picture and
picture television. They even really hadthe Apple glasses before anybody else where.
You're watching things there and answering phonecalls right there. Alexa was essentially how
he would come through the door,as you know, turn on the lights
and what have you. So Ialso I think that when you think of
the iconography and the flying DeLorean,although it's at the end of Back to
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the Future one, it's really featuredprominently in two. So with all of
that, like the iconography to me, is is the strongest in Back to
the Future two. What do youhave to say to that, Jeff.
If that's what you like in yourmovie, that's fine. I mean the
first movie is in part two technicallykind of you know, when they go
back, so you get both ofboth worlds. I guess the best of
both. I mean, so,what's your what's your definitive ranking? Since
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we see you seem to be thegrand puba here, I'm not traffic,
but I'll say it's it's one isthe best, two is the next,
and then it's three. It's rightin order. Okay, let's let's ask
the people. This show is allabout the people. It's always about the
people. Okay, if you do, you think Back to the Future one
is the best of the trilogy.Clap your hand. I didn't say you
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had to stand, I said,okay, Back to the Future two is
the best. Clap your hand.I think two might have one on that
one. Okay, Back to theFuture three, clap your hand, don't
the mic the mike. I thinktwo might have won that one. I
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think two loves them all equally?Yeah? Who loves them all equally?
Yeah? Everybody here. Now,there are a couple things that, like
you said, not only did fouryears pass between Back to the Future one
in eighty five and then Back tothe Future two that came out in November
of nineteen eighty nine, but therewere some cast members that changed, right,
Crispin Glover, who did phenomenally andBack to the Future Part one was
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not in Back to the Future twoor three is replaced by Jeffrey wist This
was Crispin Glover when you interviewed him, she was great. Man. Yeah,
he was a little It's the mostCrispin Glovery thing he said. I
mean, everything that came out ofhis mouth was Glovery. He was Crispin
Glovery, like from the bottom tothe top, you know what I mean?
And what was it was one ofthe person huh. It was over
the phone. Okay, so youdon't have to worry about getting kicked in
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the head. I didn't have toworry about any anything. I wasn't like
Letterman, you know what I mean. There was no Letterman issues. But
he was great. But it wasreplaced by Jeffrey Wiseman. Now I wanted
to ask, y'all, when didyou realize this, because as a kid
watching the movie, I never knewthat it was a different person. I
just realized now when you told metoday, years old, you had no
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idea. Yeah, Chrispin's not andhe attempted to like Sue because he was
like you're using like this he didwin Yeah, oh wow. Yeah.
He ended up suing the production becausethey tried to make it look like Crispin
Glover with using prosthetics on Jeffrey Watch. She's looking it up right now,
going she doesn't believe him. No, it's true. Honestly, I wouldn't
believe me either, you know whatI mean? But you true, you
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definitely don't have a believable face.But did a good job, right,
They did a good job. Butso yeah, he ended up suing him
because they use his likeness and theirnew now rules and sag after where you
can't use a character's likeness without theirpermission. But say again, one hold
on? Why does change every twolied to? You feel betrayed? Betrayed?
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Yeah? Did you say you feelbehooved? Is that what she said?
What a great word? Congratulations?I feel behooved too. Is it
good to be behooved? That soundslike a fifties thing? Is it good
to be behoover bad to be Doyou learned that in fifty five? Behooved?
Are you going to a traveler?Are you going to a shin dig
after this or a sock hop orsomething? It's just so okay, So
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that was can talk after It's okay. I understand that was big, but
to me even bigger. Did youknow it's a different Jennifer. That's what
it's about to be? Okay,this is another technically three Jennifers because the
original one was Malaura Harden, right, and she was too tall for Michael
J. Fox. Yeah, there'sa lot going on with this franchise.
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That happens, man, that's true. Truey is Eric Stoltz's hand right now,
adults, Hold on, now,have y'all seen the Eric Stultz footage?
A lot of y'all of what's comeout? What did we think?
Did we like that or did y'allsee it? I think they made a
very good choice. Why why yousay that? Because Michael J. Fox
is a better Marty, But hewas the original choice, right. I
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just couldn't get him right, andI wanted the last thing in disguise.
Yeah, the producer on Family Tiesdidn't even tell Michael J. Fox that
he was up for Back to theFuture, and then so they hired Stoltz.
Stoltz worked for weeks. They shotfor seven weeks on the original Back
to the Future movie, and accordingto Christopher Lloyd and Tom Wilson, who
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played Biff. They said that,uh, they gotten to the point in
the movie where you started wrapping upand saying, Okay, what are you
working on next? Like what doyou have coming up this summer? Things
like that. And they were allcalled to the lot one night and they
were told and Eric Stults had beenfired after seven weeks of filming the movie
and they're going to have to reshootessentially the entire thing with a new actors
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to them all everybody. But whatstands out to me about that is that
every actor except for Michael J.Fox is redoing this movie. This is
their second run through. Do youthink they did it the same or do
you think they went, oh good, I'm glad to change it up a
little bit. I think I wouldchange it right, I had to,
especially now you have to also lookdown right right, And Claudia Wells is
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like, yes, but between butI wanted to ask really about the Jennifers,
because the original Jennifer was Claudia Wellsin Back to the Future two.
In Back to Future she couldn't returnbecause her mother had an illness, and
so they were placed with Elizabeth shoe, which I know Elizabeth Shoe. You
know, people like Shoe, butI don't like her more than the original
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Jennifer. I'm an OG Jennifer guy. How mixeding most If you're an OG
Jennifer person, I knew you wouldreI'm getting some people to say, no,
you don't like you don't like theoriginal Jennifer didn't have it. Neither
did Elizabeth. The whole she literallyslept or two and three she stood that
excellent John. I believe she wasasleep. Yeah, I mean she was
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girl, she was in everything.So I mean that's why I kind of
prefer the original Jennifer. You believeshe was asleep. He bought it.
You were in there, She's sleepingon those laser discs in the alley.
I'm like, yep, what aboutyou, Michael? Did you did you
notice the two different Jennifers. Yeah, well, especially recently when you watch
it back to back. Wait whatYeah, it's very it's very obvious.
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But I'm more of an OG aswell. OG Jennifer. Well, you're
an OG in general, but you'reend like, thank you, respect props.
I'm not going to continue this,but I but I will say like
Jennifer throughout the whole. I willsay she's underutilized throughout, especially in last
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two. She's just underutilized. Idon't know that there's I don't know what
directions you would want to go,but like I would have liked to have
seen more from that character in someways, Well didn't she as the guy
who wrote the book, isn't ittrue that there was never an intention of
doing Back to the Future two andthree? And Zamechasan Gaible said, like
if we knew Jennifer never would havegotten in the car, because immediately they
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went, all right, what arewe doing with this? Yeah, and
then he thought of something really quickobviously, like knock her on the porch.
Yeah, knock her out, sleepover here and then go see yourself
fall down, get in the carasleep. What do we do with her
right there? Let's put we openthe door. No, it's a dream.
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Let's put her on the porch andwe'll pick this up. And yeah,
well that works out. I'm sureshe's fine. Yeah, even though
like there's bars and there's like it'sfine, rabbit dogs right in through the
street like nothing rough night in Hilldaleexactly. Well, I mean, would
you have liked to see more fromJennifer. Yeah, because I mean she's
part of the story. I meanshe's gonna be Marty's wife and they're gonna
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have kids, and so her herstory is just as important as everyone else's.
Now it's married in the Chapelo Lovetook the lines out of my out
of my mouth because Sean recently becameengaged. You know, let's give you
up here after seeing Back to theFuture of the musical, right, Yeah,
so I wanted this, obviously proposedto her, tricked to go to
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New York and like, I wantearly want to see the musical. I'm
this big fan. Obviously there's alsothe Rockefeller Tree lighting we can go see,
and so yeah, that was thewhole purpose of the trip. But
actually was just an engagement trip.Actually, there's an engagement Congratulations, you
gotta get married in the Chapel Loveis the question. Oh, maybe we'll
just go on to the Back tothe Future and just get on stage and
do it there you're at the musical. Yeah, maybe you have that kind
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of pool. No, I don't. I didn't think. Now when we're
talking about the rankings of the movie. So Michael, give me yours.
Uh two one three two one threeone two three three. I mean originally
I was two one three, I'mbut I'm trying to champion three. So
I mean I'm I'm at three twoone three two one. You're putting one
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at the end, Yeah, becausepart two gave us a lot of cool
stuff, are you. I don'tknow what's going on over here. I
came here to fight. I almostjust passed out. I almost pulled out.
Elizabeth sho Jennifer collapsed on the ground. Now, some of the original
choices for Doc were really interesting,right, I mean they're they're you know.
Jeff Goldbloom was considered for Christopher boyGow, John Lithgow was considered,
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but the most inspired choice, EddieMurphy was considered for Doc Brown. What
Eddie Murphy was gonna be this completely? He was like barely older than Michael
J. Fox back then. Well, it would have made a little bit
more sense for them to be hangingout. That's a good point. I
don't really explain that, Thank you, John Mulaney, you know, made
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a little bit more sense. Yeah, but what do you think of Eddie
Murphy as Doc? Sure? Ithink if they were to do it now,
he'd be a great doc, right, that'd be like a cool little
mix. And now I could seemaybe edem then, So okay, if
we're recasting in twenty twenty four,Eddie Murphy is Doc Brown. No as
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Doc Little Dolt. Doc he hadthat one in the chamber. Somebody please
say, somebody sent me for DocLittle Little that's her? Might Murphy go
too? The other big fandom thisis where I'm getting with this with these
different recastings. The other big fandomthat I'm a part of is professional wrestling.
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Right. I've worked in pro wrestlingfor twelve years with a guy named
Booker T who's a Houston you know, icon and legend, and we work
in this company called Reality Wrestling.So I thought it'd be a funny thing.
Since this movie happened in the eighties, there was a big pro wrestling
boom in the nineteen eighties. Ifwe had to recast Doc as a nineteen
eighties professional wrestler, who are wegoing with? Jeff Rowdy Rowdy Piper,
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Rowdy roddy Pipers? Who do yougot? What do you got these days?
In eighty five? But in eightyfive, a lot of the wrestlers
from navies are hard get right now, it's basically over. Andre and a
giant come in, Yeah, witha really small Marty and awesome to see
the size difference between the two.How's he gonna get through all That's he
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gonna get in the deloreate? That'swhere you're bringing the cyberchruck. What about
you? Mc uh? The firstone that popped in my head was macho
man Randy. Yeah, that's theright answer. Let me see it.
Marty come in with the one isyour Fox's capacitory fool foot? Yeah,
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I'm a fan. I'm a fanof the macho man as Doctor Brown was
up at Delorian, all the slimgyms. I now, I just want
to do the rest of the podcastas a macho man. You should do
that. So what do we thinkthey filed me? I love that.
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I love macho Man Randy Savage asthe recast as the recast Right now,
I want to talk about some ofthe favorite quotes or favorite scenes that y'all
have from Back to the Future andkind of what one stand out the most
when you watch the entire trilogy.What is your favorite scenes? I think
the introduction of the hoverboard is probablythe most iconic scene the instruction. But
my favorite scene with the hoverboard,I think is when he goes back and
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he is in Biff's car and they'rein that tunnel. I think that's one
of my favorite scenes. That sequencegoing on towards the end is really really
fun and really cool. Mc well. I mentioned it earlier that the hoverboard
sequence in that like just mirroring howmuch of the original like chase scene in
the first one, and they mirroredit a bit with the hubber board sequence,
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and I forget who says the lineof like, man, this seems
familiar and yeah it's oh man,Biff, Oh yeah, yeah, I
really I like that that that sequence, So oh we have two for the
humberboard. What do you got you? It's so funny that the the favorite
scenes are the ones that are likethe one in the first one. It's
not like that one because it's justlike the better one in the first movie.
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So I would say the the endof like the final going to the
clock tower in the first one isthe best because I still get nervous that
he's not gonna make it when whenDuck, you know what if all his
party looks down and does that amazingChristoph Lloyd's scream when he like he's losing
his mind because all this is happeningand the tree falls down and it gets
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disconnected and he's like doing I rememberthe audience at the same time he's making
that exact same sound because they're like, he's not going to make it,
and then he does. But there'ssomething about movies that have that kind of
tense scene at the end that you'relike, I hope he does make it
again this time because I don't know, it's it's pretty it's kind of pretty
close. So it's definitely it's theonly Yeah, the clock tower scene is
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mentioned all three movies. Yeah,that's right, they do three times what
you got back. There were peopleclapping after they made it in the theater
since you were there, I wasthere, Well, you were there,
that ticket stuff, that ticket stuffstill yeah, I think he still got
the yeah ticket stuff. I wouldsay, yeah, yes, that's what
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you got. Sure, Yeah theyclapped. Well, I will say it
is like the most like high fivemoment of the movie because they there's so
many things that have to go exactlyright in that moment that I've seen him
at the beginning back to the Futurethree when he makes it at the end,
that's the best scene. It's fromthe first one. Just let it
go, Let it go, neverlet it go. I think that is
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the best scene. And to me, when they were writing this script now,
Bob Gailee and Bob Zemeckis came upwith the idea for Back to the
Future. They always wanted to doa time travel movie. Bob Gail discovered
in his folks basement his old hisdad's old yearbook. He found out that
his dad was the president of hisgraduating class. Said, I would never
have been friends with the president ofmy graduating class. And he said,
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wouldn't it be interesting if you goto you know, school with your parents.
And that's where it came from.But there were several things that did
change throughout. And when you talkabout that being the best scene in the
movie, which I agree with you, I mean the end there is the
best scene. I also think wherethey're in twin Pine Mole and the Macho
Man, Doc Brown says, ifthis baby hits, you were going to
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see some serious shit. Excuse me, But that initially wasn't even gonna happen
because for Indiana Jones and the Kingdoof the Crystal Skull. Fans know,
the original time machine was going tobe a refrigerator that they were going to,
you know, go to a nucleartest site, set off an atomic
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bomb, and send the frigerator backto nineteen eighty five. Which I think
this was a really great thing thatthey decided to change, Jeff, you
mean very good change. Yeah,because the Lorean wasn't the original. They
wanted a Ford came to them andsaid let's do a Mustang. So they're
like a Ford Mustang not not cool? Yeah, they said Doc Brown doesn't
drive a Mustang. But there wereseveral changes. But I think going from
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a refrigerator in the desert in thedesert, you imagine what the like the
scene would be like, Okay,put the fridge in the truck. Now
we're driving to the desert. We'llbe there in four hours. Yeah,
it kind of takes the the uh, the urgency out of it for a
little bit. Well, they werewaiting for, like them to be testing
the bomb, right, they're testingthe nuclear bomb, and they thought this
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would be the right time. Sothere wasn't a lightning strike, there wasn't
a clock tower, there wasn't theDeLorean. There was expensive too, and
the only But that's what I wantto say, at no point in the
process where they like, hey,you know, maybe the fridge not a
great idea. It was only becausethey couldn't afford to shoot it. At
the end. The budget did notallowed to shoot for something that large of
a set piece and have the bomband all that go off. So then
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they decided to change it. We'reat the Universal back lot, let's just
do it here. Yeah, thankgoodness. Now. Also, Doc Brown
wasn't a doc. He was aprofessor. In the original he was prof
instead of doc. Also, itwas the Springtime in Paris dance and not
the Enchantment under the Sea dance.He had a pet monkey and not a
pet dog. So there's no Einsteinin the original movie. But and the
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reason I'm bringing this up is notonly did it omit what you're saying is
the best scene of the film,it also shows this script Back to the
Future part one is taught in filmschool. You know, they show you
this is a perfect script. Thisis how you set up a world,
is how he set up characters.This is how you pay them off.
Here's how you do great exposition withoutfeeling like it's too much. But yet
it took so much to get tothat perfect script, you know, Sean
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like it wasn't a page one.They got it right on the first time.
No, it's a wild how manychanges and what they envisioned wasn't really
what was on screen at the end, I mean, so many changes.
And then it was sposed to bea one off, and I was it
was supposed to be a one off, and that was in of course,
it was the biggest movie of nineteeneighty five. Now favorite, I have
a personal favorite scene that no oneelse is gonna say is their favorite scene
in this movie. It's in nineteenfifty five when doc I mean, excuse
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me, when Marty wakes up inhis mom's bed right and the pants are
over on the hope chest, whichis just a crazy line when you think
of it. My pants are overthere on my hope chest. But then
he goes downstairs they have the dinnerwith the dad and the family and everything,
and he says, you know,no one has the two television sets
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this whole thing. But the lastline of the movie, you know,
or the scene is when he backsup from the table, runs out,
and then the dad says he's anidiot. It comes from upbringing. His
parents are probably idiots too. Andthis is the best scene for me in
the movie. You know what Imean, I'll to son, if you
have a kid like that, I'mgonna disown you. This is a great
scene in the movie. We canjust do the whole movie, right,
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We could do the whole movie.But what I wanted to move on to
is the music in this movie isso iconic, from the score to the
soundtrack itself. Now, you werearound in nineteen eighty five when these songs
played on it what's called a radioright on radio? Yeah, they used
to play songs to talk to youabout. They used to play songs by
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Huey Lewis and the news. Hewas a big deal. Was this a
gramophone that you had or it wasa record player? But those are back
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was the first one. So
I came out from California made That'sall my roast I feel like was that.
But how big was the song?It was huge. It actually came
out my memories that came out evenbefore the movie, so it was already
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like that number one song. Andthen it only helped that the Human Lewis
was huge because that was like duringthe like he had a big hits,
like the hardest hard rock and rolland if this is it the Sports album,
which you see the poster of theSports album in Marty's bedroom, which
I'm sure there's no coincidence. Andalso, by the way, Huey Lewis
an excellent cameo if anybody knows,that's him as the guy that says I'm
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afraid You're just too darn loud tothe Pinheads, which is funny because he's
the rock and roll guy. SoNo, that song was huge, but
I was at a time where likemovies needed to have, like Ghostbusters was
the year before, and that songwas everywhere, so it was kind of
a big deal. And that itshows that. It's also in the opening
credits of the movie that it evengives up that it says the Power of
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Love performed by hus in the Newsis an opening credit thing which you would
never see now. But no,that song was huge. It was big.
It was a big song, bigsong, big soundtrack, had it
vinyl And to me, Alan SilvestrieI think is although he gets his props
aw he does as a composer.I mean for a long time, Spielberg
didn't want him to do the scorebecause he had heard the score Roberts and
Mechis's movie before was from Nancy theStone, which is excellent, but the
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score is kind of like saxophony,kind of jazzy, and so Spielberg had
heard that and he went, don'tuse Alex Sevestry for the to the Future
score. And then to Meccas Houstonanyway, and then uh, Spoolberg heard
the ale s Pastri score, didn'tknow it was ale Savestri and said,
oh, yeah, more like that, that's what you should be doing.
And so I said, all thatit's Alen Semester and Alen SAMESTRII is like
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one of the greatest composers in movies. Yeah, I mean the Avengers score,
I mean so many, so many. But we're actually running a little
bit against time, so let meget to I want to get to the
next thing. Ironically, we're runningout of time, so if anybody has
any questions, we're gonna get toit in a second. But I want
to talk about some of y'all's favoritesecondary characters from the movie, because Back
to the Future we got our corefor Marty Dock, Lorraine, George,
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then there's Biff and of course Jennifer. But there's so many great secondary characters
and back to the future where whetheryou're thinking about Goldie Wilson, I actually
kind of just killed that. Tobe honest with you, well, do
you think I was really impressed withmyself without the microphone? I wantn't know.
But there's so many. So doyou do you have any favorite secondary
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characters? Honestly, I was gonnasay him, Yeah, it's gonna say
Goldie. I like him getting theidea about becoming mayor and and that moment
specifically. I really like that standout, and then the mirroring of the
original like Mayor's campaign, and thenseeing what Goldie does in the in the
present or in their present nineteen eightyfive, I really like that. Ye,
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Mayor Goldie was gonna be hard totop. Who do you have?
I'm gonna okay, I'm gonna goreal deep. I was gonna say before
he was Lewis and as a teacher, but I want to say Mayor Red
Thomas from nineteen fifty five. Wenever see him, yes, we do
on the on the car. Doesanybody know where he reappears. Are you
gonna see the bum at the endsleeping on the bench? That's the mayor
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from nineteen fifty? Both name Red. That's how many reds do you know?
It's what's an older name, soyou would have a better shot at
knowing more resident funny joke every time. So I will say red tops or
needles because I want to own theneedles story, because I believe after needles
like hoses, Marty, he looksup and I think he's looking at the
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boss. I think they set himup. I think the boss was in
the room, and then that's whyhe's able to jump on the call right
away. Midflood, Yeah, midflood, big setup Needles. I want
to know his story. What isup with him? At the end of
Back to Future three when he isreally revved up to race, well,
I think it's because it's played byFlee. I think if it had been
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you know, see Thomas Howell,it wouldn't have been all crazy. He
has revved up for that. Whodo you got your favorite second hear he
read my notes, Goldie Wilson.I think he is the one that has
a limited screen time but at lastingimpression and a big part of the plot
too. I feel like too,he's integrated and his family right in the
future with his I think his grandsonright in the second one that's that's the
mayor. Yeah, yeah, SoI mean like that whole family has a
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lot going on and their story mightbe cool too. Yeah, that's a
good one to you. Again,I find myself to where the majority of
y'all are just giving me the incorrectanswer. So at the end of Back
to the Future too, this isthe best secondary character in the movie.
Marty's just saw the DeLorean get struckby lightning and go to the a and
then a car pulls up in themiddle of the rain right and outsteps a
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gentleman in a trench coat and ahat. We don't know who he could
be. Is he a detective,is he a police officer? What is
he? We don't be armed?Is he armed? And he says,
first of all, the craziest thingis are you Marty McFly I got something
for you? A weird way tolean into that? What a terrible Western
union guy. If that's like hisway to like go up to people,
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is that what he does with everybody? Jeff Smith, I got something for
you, like I don't in therain, and then he reaches in his
coat, very strange, and thenpulls out the letter. You know it's
a it's a letter, right,it's the Western Union man from the end
of the movie, because I wantAnd he said that they had bets in
the office. Now, I don'tknow if anybody's ever dealt with the United
States Postal Service or the Western Unionof any kind. And the believability of
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them keeping a letter for seventy years. I believe it. Actually, I
believe that they know. I don'tthink they knew they had it. And
then like a couple of years beforelike that, yeah, no, what
is this and they're like, oh, shoot, should we still deliver it?
I guess let's make bets. Yeahno, I think it's an accident.
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Then I like Western Union man.I like old man Peabody, you
know who had the crazy idea aboutbreeding pine tree. He was angry too.
Yeah. Yeah, he's shooting ateverybody. He was not pleased.
There's so many great ones. We'reagain, we're running out of time here.
Does anybody before we wrap things up, does anybody have any long standing
back to the future related questions thatyou might answer, yes, sir,
what's your name? Sure, andthat's the whole reason he's in a band.
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Yeah, Marvin Barry your cousin.They really wanted to spell that.
We get it. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great one, Johnny be
Good as iconic and it's in oneand two. You know, you get
to see the other things. Yeah, that's a great one. Does anybody
heavity? That's true? That's thepower. That's a good one too.
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Okay, Yeah, I like that. Anybody else have any other any other
questions related to Back to the Futurebefore? We rather a good favorite scene?
That's a good favorite scene, Johnnybe Good? Yeah, the whole
chairman, I mean the chairman.Und see the answer is so good.
We can get to see it twice. No, yeah, I think I
liked it more in the second one. Why is that? Oh, just
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cuz it's like what they did inthe first one. Yeah, yeah,
exactly. It was just better.Yeah, it was just better. Here's
my final question for everybody else.Sean, I'll start with you. What
makes this movie so iconic? Andwhy do we still talk about it now
forty plus years later or forty yearslater? I think it's because of Michael
J. Fox and Chrisopher Lloyd.At the end of the day, I
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don't think it would have been whatit is without those two. I think
they make those films. Michael,I can't imagine those movies without their performances.
Like without them that movie, Idon't know that it's a timeless classic
as it is pun him intended.Jeff, why is this movie so rewatchable?
I just think because it is justa feel good movie that when you
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put it on it you don't haveto watch the whole thing. But it
also for those of us that havewatched it over and over and over again,
which is a lot of people,it immediately takes you back to the
first time you saw it, andnot a lot of movies do that,
where when you watch it you immediatelyfeel I mean, that's what I was
talking about. When you're like Iwonder if he's gonna make it this time,
You're invested in it immediately, andit just it's super positive, which
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is nice. I think, likeI said at the beginning of this panel,
again, the movie is about choicesand the choices that we make.
And honestly, I've spent probably moretime than I should thinking about you know,
if I did this, where wouldI have ended up? If I've
never met Michael Carroll, would Ibe here on the stage today? And
things like that, And it's andit's about choices. And what's so great
too, is it tells us thatthe destiny are all you know, density
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or destiny is in our own hands, you know. And that's what Doc
leans in to say to Marty atthe very end. Your futures, whatever
you make it, so make ita good one. And we appreciate you
all for making this a great podcastand hanging out with us for the last
forty five minutes. I want everyoneto shout out where they can find you
all and follow y'all. Yeah,you can check out my website or trouvis
(44:36):
dot com for movie news, reviews, interviews, and trailers, all right,
MC. You can find comiccasts whereveryou get your podcasts, just search
comiccasts ce O my c ast.And you can follow me on all social
media platforms at producer Mic Nights onfive Now Jeff social media, social media
things invented? So where can theyfind you on it? And I'll get
(44:58):
on it eventually. I'm still workingon nice. Uh. You can see
all the socials, including a linkto a podcast that you and I do
called Clue the Movie Podcast because it'sall about Clue. Clue doc as in
brown but Clue dooc dot com.All right, and y'all can all scan
(45:19):
this QR code. I'll lead theseup here if you want to check out
Back to the future of the podcastten seasons interviewed most of the cast on
here. I really recommend you checkingthat out, and also check it out
Clue the Movie podcast that I dowith Jeff. You can follow me on
all social media at brad Gilmore Roadswhere we're going. We don't need roads.
Comic Balus at twenty twenty four,Thank you so much for having us
out. We appreciate you
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