July 16, 2025 • 65 mins
Back to the Future: The Podcast
Produced and Hosted by Brad Gilmore
July 3rd, 1985 — the day a little time travel movie produced by Steven Spielberg and directed by Robert Zemeckis changed cinema forever. Back to the Future hit theaters and instantly became a cultural phenomenon. This podcast dives deep into the world of Back to the Future — exploring the trilogy’s unforgettable characters, iconic moments, hidden details, and behind-the-scenes stories that helped make it one of the greatest film franchises of all time. So buckle in, make sure your flux capacitor is... fluxing, and enjoy the 88 mile-per-hour adventure through time.
🎉 Order the new expanded edition of Brad Gilmore’s book — Why We Love Back to the Future
Back to the Future: The Podcast is independently produced and presented by Brad Gilmore. This program is not affiliated with the Back to the Future franchise and is intended solely for entertainment and documentary purposes. All views expressed are those of the host and guests and do not reflect the opinions of any other entity or sponsor. This show respects the intellectual property rights of Universal Pictures and all creators of Back to the Future.
Produced and Hosted by Brad Gilmore
July 3rd, 1985 — the day a little time travel movie produced by Steven Spielberg and directed by Robert Zemeckis changed cinema forever. Back to the Future hit theaters and instantly became a cultural phenomenon. This podcast dives deep into the world of Back to the Future — exploring the trilogy’s unforgettable characters, iconic moments, hidden details, and behind-the-scenes stories that helped make it one of the greatest film franchises of all time. So buckle in, make sure your flux capacitor is... fluxing, and enjoy the 88 mile-per-hour adventure through time.
🎉 Order the new expanded edition of Brad Gilmore’s book — Why We Love Back to the Future
Back to the Future: The Podcast is independently produced and presented by Brad Gilmore. This program is not affiliated with the Back to the Future franchise and is intended solely for entertainment and documentary purposes. All views expressed are those of the host and guests and do not reflect the opinions of any other entity or sponsor. This show respects the intellectual property rights of Universal Pictures and all creators of Back to the Future.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Stop.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Stop, okay, last it's great. It's Marten.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
You can't be such a back to the future.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh I know you did send me back to the future, but.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm back, I'm back from the future.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Great.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Wait a minute, wait, my gosh, are you telling me
that you built the time machine the way I see it?
Speaker 4 (00:33):
If you're going to build a time machine, and why
not doing some style.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Looking very daffer here?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
It is a new one, no more with the new
book why we love back to the Future, Which is
great because the last time we spoke was for your
last book, which was also about back in the future.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
That one was called just back.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Was that go back from the back.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
From the future.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yes, So let me ask you this, Why do another
book on this movie? And I know the reason why
because it's still such a huge part of our pop
culture existence.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
But what was the timing to do this new book
right here? Right now?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
We know we're coming up on forty years believe it
or not of Back to the Future being in the
pop culture lexicon.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
And it was the last time thirty five years.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
The last time was thirty five years, Gotchakis forty years. Yeah,
so it's a.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Forty year anniversary of the first movie. But also this
year is the thirty fifth anniversary of Back to the
Future three. Last year was the thirty fifth anniversary Back
to the Future of Part two, So a lot of
anniversaries in this And then since I published the book,
there have been so much more.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Things that had come out for Back to the Future.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
There's the musical that finally got out after COVID struck.
You know, there was a series of comic books that
came out that really dived into the theories and the lexicon,
and the added to the lexicon I should say back
to the Future and answer these unanswerable questions. And then
I started, because of the book, started to have way
more converse about the movie with other people, people like
yourself or just random people at a comic convention or
(02:05):
on a radio interview. They just want to sit and
talk about their theories of Marty and Doc and how
did they meet and how did this happen?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Oh, can you believe they cut this scene from the movie.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
And then I just started talking to so many people
from the movies, Crispin Glover, Lea Thompson, Christopher Lloyd, Bob Gail,
Robert Zemeckis, getting to interview these people and talk to
them about these movies. I just felt like I had
so much more insight on the franchise than I did
when I wrote the book the first time. So I said,
you know what, let me just take another swing at
(02:34):
this thing, let me add some more, let me go
more in depth than I did previously, and really give
people a quintessential fans guide through what, my opinion still
is the greatest franchise in the history of cinema.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Well, it's interesting, and you mentioned in there that they
were talking Quentin Tarantina was talking about the perfect movie
and mentioned how Back in the Future is the perfect movie.
And I think that's one of the reasons why you,
like you just said, why there's so much of this
ancilliary projects and discussions going on, is it really does
hold up for any generation, any timeframe, do you?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I mean, obviously you do, But let's discuss why you
feel it is a perfect movie.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You know what, Well, first of all, there's no when
you think about the script. They literally will teach in
screenwriting classes in college they teach Back to the Future
script because the way that they set everything up in
the very beginning, it pays off by the end.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
There's no wasted scenes, there's no wasted movement. The expositions
all there set up payoff.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
It's like a really tight, well crafted, very very smart
constructed story in the script. But I think that the
appeal of the movie is really the reason why we
still talk about it is because I have this conversation
with a mutual friend of ours, Chris van Vliet. We
talked about it, who actually has a contribution in the book.
We talk about how Back to the Future really is
(03:56):
a movie about choices, and how the choices in your life,
these all little details like asking a girl out to
a dance at your school, or standing up to the bully,
or believing in yourself, How these small things changed the
complete complexion of your entire life.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
And who can't relate to that? Who can't relate to man?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Like I know, I played the game all the time,
like Wow, if I didn't do this, then that wouldn't happened.
Then that wouldn't have happened. Then that would have happened.
Everybody has that internal monologue in their head, and so
I think Back to the Future does something really beautiful
about not only telling of time travel story, but telling
a story of self discovery and belief, and also telling
a really awesome family story of getting to think just
(04:39):
the idea of where the movie came from. You find
your dad's yearbook in your basement and go, what was
it like to go to school with my dad?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
That's also a question that we would all wonder, like
was my dad cool in high school?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Was he a deep like was my mom like, you know,
kind of a little bit too flirtatious perhaps with all
the other guys. It's just such an interesting concept, but
it does come down to life is all about these
small choices, and that's why I think these movies just
stand the test of time, especially the first.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
One, and I agree with it is a perfect film.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
There's nothing you can say, oh, you know, they could
have cut fifteen minutes out of it.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
How many times do you say that.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Of a movie like, oh man, they could have shaved
fifteen to twenty minutes off it had been really really good.
This one is like what do you cut? You can't
cut the clock tower scene, you can't.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Cut the cut you know, him performing Johnny be Good.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
There's no like fat there, and so yeah, I just
feel like that's why it's perfect.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I think, to you it's it's it's one of those
things where and I'm saying this with the utmost respect,
and you'll get where I'm coming from this. I think
with with with Michael Fox's condition now with the Parkinson's
and we see him and you see him in back
in the future as this top of his game actor
(05:54):
who had his career not been cut short by his
by his you know, disability, what would have been even
double So I can't even imagine what a what a
adult you know, aging Michael J. Fox, the parts that
he could have played and then the things he would
have done. So it almost is this great point in
time where he was at his peak and just a
(06:14):
few years later started feeling the effects of his disease.
So I find that's kind of it is kind of
a time machine in that to go back and watch
Michael J. Fox just crushing it as this amazing role
in the midst of many great ones that he played
in this timeframe.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Well, I mean yeah, because he's coming off a teen Wolf,
but he's still on Family Ties, which was a number
one show. He was the most popular character on this show.
He was kind of the the the American or the
North American icon really, yeah, you know, and and you're right,
peak of his powers because after this, after the Back
to the Future trilogy, Yeah, he had some shows.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
He had Spin City, you know. He did a few movies.
Greed I think was one of them.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Doc Hollywood. There was like a few things, Secrets of
My Success. There was a few things that he did.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
He voiced Stuart Little Right, which was a really popular movie.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
This was the war movie he was in. Was the
more serious role for.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Oh, oh, I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
It'll come to me, It'll come to me.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
But these were peak of his powers with the Back
to the Future movies and and and really for the
entirety of the cast, the entirety cast this movie was
so popular. I mean, Christopher Lloyd had went on to
do several things, I mean several things. He was Jim
Ignatowski and Taxi before this, but people think Doc Brown.
He was Professor Plumb and Clue, which is another favorite
(07:29):
eighty five movie of mine. I love that Clue of
the movie. Nobody remembers him as Professor Plump. Everybody remembers
him as Doc Brown. He went on to play Uncle Fester.
He's about to play Uncle Fester again Casualties of War. Yeah,
but but he went on to you know, playing Uncle
Fester again. But see, people still think of him as
Doc Brown no matter what he does. And it's really
(07:52):
Leah Thompson, Crispin Glover, you can go through them all,
Tom Wilson, They're all remembered for this movie. And Robert
Zemeckis has gone on to put out in credible films
including Castaway, Forrest Gump, Flight. He just did here last year,
which was a really great movie with Tom Hanks.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Again, but people still want to talk about Back to
the Future.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Let's get into your book, because you got a lot
of different subjects and topics. But you mentioned already the
musical I love, So you were saying that, let's talk
about the musical. It was supposed to come out before
COVID then went down. Now it is actually out.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
They had been planning this musical like since the early
two thousands. The idea had been getting thrown around and
they were ready to do it and they were ramped up.
They actually started the previews over in the West End
across the pond there and then COVID struck. So after
I think it was a week, about a week of previews,
the entire production shut down, and this dream that Bob
(08:49):
Gail and the team of Back to the Future had
of bringing this to a stage musical was vanished. It
was gone because like everything else, the world stopped. Not
only did the NBA stop, you know, Back to the Future,
the musical stopped. I think the only thing that didn
stop was wrestling. Ever, that was the only constant and
it never will start right. But so yeah, they had
(09:09):
to go through it, and then in twenty twenty three
it finally made its way straight side. August third, they
had their official Broadway debut at the Winter Garden Theater.
After a lot of time putting into this musical, I mean,
they had different creative teams going to try to.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Cast I mean, because here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yes, there are movies like let's say, we've talked about
James Bond before. Hey, we've seen other actors play that
role Batman, We've seen other actors play that role Superman,
same spider Man, whatever. For this movie, we've never seen
anyone else tackle the roles of Marty McFly and Doc Brown.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
So to have to go through that casting process and.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Find the right person who can do kind of an
imitation of some kind of what we saw in the movies.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
But actually bring it to a fresh stage. Not a parody, right,
Not a parody. And that's like a really tough line.
You want to give.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
People the characters that they know, but you don't want
to come off as, like you said, a parody of itself.
So to be able to do that and then to
think about adapting it into a musical because we think, oh,
they can just do the movie on stage, right, Well, no,
you got to figure out when's the right breaks for songs,
what songs do we sing, How can we turn a particular.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Scene into a song? What makes sense?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
And then how do you have a flying DeLorean in
a musical? How do you have you know, a Libyan
nationalist chasing you down the rocket launcher?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
You know?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Spoiler you don't? How do you have a dog? How
do you do all these things? And to me, when
I went and saw the Broadway production of it, and Chris,
I don't say this just as a back to the
future fan. I've seen a lot of Broadway shows, I've
seen a lot of live entertainment, and the production value
on this show was incredible. I mean just the way
that a Delorian appears on stage within a split second
(10:52):
and it does fly.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Over the crowd. Spoiler alert for everybody out there.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I mean, they made changes to the story to fit
the stage, but I feel like it is the We're
never going to get it Back to the Future four
according to Bob and Bob, But this feels like the
best extension of the franchise, you know, since Back to
the Future Part three.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
What differences to the to the script. I know that
there's a little bit of a different ending.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I heard, so the ending is different, and I actually
think that it kind of works.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
How long. I don't want to say it works better
than the original, because it's hard to.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Say anything does, but it's on the same level of it.
So as opposed to you remembering Back to the Future one.
At the end, Marty comes back. He's got the truck
in the driveway. The house is a little bit nicer.
He and his you know, Crispin and Leah Thompson. They're thinner,
and they look more successful, and the furniture is better.
And then he gets his new book, his first novel,
(11:47):
you know, match Made in Space and all these things.
It's a little bit different at the end of the musical,
we come back to the Hill Valley clock Tower into
like the town square, and it's George McFly day, because
George mca lies written a check to help save the
clock tower, and because he's this successful author of this
series of books. And the book that he has at
(12:07):
the end of the musical is not a match made
in space. The book that he has is back to
the Future four is his book because he had a
series of books called back to the Future is the
nice little cherry on top.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
So it definitely nods to the fans who always wanted
it Back to the Future four. And I guess that's
the closest you ever got to get what.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Kind of a fan base was at the musical, Like
what kind of a crowd did they have?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
So that was what was kind of the most beautiful
thing about it was all kinds of folks, right, young, old.
But I saw a lot of dads and sons. And
there was this actually a dad and his son right
in front of me and my wife. And the break
comes for the intermission. The kid is just so enthralled
(12:54):
and he turns to his dad. He must be five
or six somewhere in there. He turns to his dad.
He goes, this is the coolest thing I've ever seen,
and his dad goes, I know, right, And they had
this beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Father son moment of bonding over this movie.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
And I'm and this musical, And I thought to myself,
how many times has this happened when somebody shows the
movie to their kid, like, this is the coolest thing.
And just in the way, Bond is like a father
son thing in my opinion, so is Back to the Future,
and it's a family thing. But really, if you show
this to I remember showing it to my nephews and
(13:27):
they're like, how have I never seen this movie before?
Because it has everything a kid would love about it,
whether it be the musical or the films. But also
when you watch it when you get older, you understand
the theme so much deeper than when I did when
I was watching it as a kid, Like even with
Lorraine and I know I'm getting off of the musical,
but just like even with Lorraine and her character and
(13:47):
being kind of this sad housewife who never really saw
her full potential, or George not ever standing up for himself.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
You know, when you're a kid, you can understand.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
That but as you get older, you really understand the
pathology of the characters, which also makes this film, i think,
also rewatchable. It makes this story not just film, makes
this story so entertaining and so rewatchable for people of
all generations. So you had everybody out there, and I'll
tell you what, I've never seen a busier merch stand.
I mean, this was like, they have these great Scott
(14:18):
hats and shirts and they were going like nWo shirts
in ninety eight, right, I mean they were crazy. The
Winter Garden Theater was pagged man and I'll tell you
it's just it was. As a longtime fan of the movies,
I was very skeptical of a musical. I was like, yeah,
is this thing going to be corny? Is it going
to be silly?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Is it going to be over the top? And yes
it is. It is silly. It is over the top.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
But it's also they really did a great job of
finding ways to incorporate the music from the original movie.
Because you got to think, you have Earth Angel, you
have Johnny be Good, you have back in Time, you.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Have power of Love.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Those songs, those are four songs that you can build
the back off of for your musical.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
You're actually a pretty good shape to have those four records.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
That's a great cal I forgot most ones that they
incorporate those, it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Oh yeah, So the power of Love rings out, Back
in Time rings out, and of course you have Earth
Angel and Johnny be Good and the Johnny be Good scene.
The actor who played Marty in the version, I saw
his gun in Casey likes and he crushes it, man,
he crushes it. When he walked out on the stage,
it felt like, you know, it felt like Freddy Freddie Mercury,
(15:25):
you know, back in the day. He just captivated this
whole audience. It was like Freddy and Live Aid. Man,
it was insane.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Did they write any additional songs for it, like it
was it like a Goldie Wilson solo or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
There is a Goldie Wilson, there's a there's a at
the beginning of the second act, there's this whole thing
of Doc Brown talking about what the twenty first century
is like, and of course there's the joke like don't
go to twenty twenty whatever you do. And then actually,
one of my favorite songs of the musical is when
Doc Brown, when Marty goes back to fifty five and
(15:58):
reveals to Doc Brown, hey, you invented this time machine.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
There's this whole musical number of it works.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I can't believe I invented something that works, and they
make a whole song out of dockgrounds, failed inventions and
finally making something that works.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I sometimes it's just as we were talking, I've never
thought about this before, but you mentioned how, you know,
going back.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
To see if your dad was cool in high school.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
It's funny because the reason why Marty is the way
he is, which is kind of a chip on his shoulder,
you know, go get her, is because his dad is
the exact opposite, and because Marty was kind of putting
the same categories, is that he rebelled against that. Then
he goes back in time and turns his dad into
what he is, which the next is dad successful.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
So it's very reciprocal.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Well, and the other interesting thing though, is there's always
been this debate.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
We talk about Back to Future being a perfect movie,
but there was a debate that Marty McFly's character never
had an arc in the film, like he's essentially the
same person at the beginning of the movie that he is.
At the end of the movie, they say, well, that's
in the sequels.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
They made him.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
You know, he didn't like being called chicken, and he
was a hothead, and that was how he's going to,
you know, have this character arc. But I talked to
Bob Gallen. We actually have a conversation about it in
the book that Marty actually does have this character change
in Back to the Future one because if you remember Jennifer,
his girlfriend tells him, you need to send this demo
tape into.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
The record company, right, and he goes, what if I'm
no good?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
What if they say no, which we hear George say
later when he's talking about his science fiction stories, what
if they say no?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
And there was actually a.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Bit in the script where you see Marty dropping his
demo tape into the mailbox. But because of George getting
over his fear of rejection by happenstance and kind of
the through the fabric of time, Marty also learns to get.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Over his fear of rejection.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
So there is a character arc in that first one,
and then they expanded obviously going forward. But you're absolutely right,
Marty was the influence on his dad to help his
dad stand up to the bad guy so that you
know he and have this fear of rejection that you
know Marty doesn't want to have it in it's confusing,
but you understand what I'm saying, and of course, and
it's it's one of those great parts of the movie.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, do we see Marty drop the demo tape the
mail We don't.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
We don't.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
But if you if you look in the movie, whenever
he wakes back up in the now New nineteen eighty five,
you can see a Manila envelope like on the kitchen
deesca there or the kitchen counter that you know they
were going to have him drop in the mailbox to
kind of show that payoff.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
So let's talk about this.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
You said that you talked to Bob Bob Gail, one
of the producers of the film.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
How did you end up talking when you interview him?
Just in general?
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Are you tracking down these influential people just for your
own personal knowledge or do you always flying into another book?
Speaker 3 (18:50):
So so, no, I wasn't. I wasn't planning to do
a new version of the book. But but what happens is,
you know, my with my day gig being on the
radio and in Houston, I'm a part of a of
a local television show where we interview you know, the
whomever is in the movie Junkins, the Matthew McConaughey is
the Tom Hanks, Kevin Costner's and you know, luckily, you
(19:11):
just find yourself like, hey, you want to talk to
Bob Gail. He's got a new book out about back
to the Future and dot it was called Doc Brown's
Workshop and and all this.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I was like, Yeah, I'd love to talk to Bob Gail.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And so now I'm like, I have this litany of
questions I want to go through and know all the
answers to and all the small little details of the movie.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And same with Chrispin Glover or Leah Thompson.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Or Christopher Lloyd. Christopher Lloyd was doing something for the
Discovery Channel about Back to the Future and they were like.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Hey, do you want to have him on and you.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Talk about back to the Future with Christopher Lloyd And
I'm like, no, I don't want that, of course, And
so why I started to have all these conversations And
then last year there was a there's a big comic
convention in Houston, every year called Comic Palooza and their
headliners were Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd Wow and yeah,
and so it was like a really awesome opportunity.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
And I got to go in there and actually meet
them in person and.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Not have them, not really share long conversations or anything,
but actually meeting them and actually seeing them live and
in living color. It did change kind of something for me, like, man,
you know, I feel like I have more to say
on this story. And that was the impetus last year
to go, you know what, Let's go back in the book.
Let's make this thing the quintessential version that I always
(20:20):
wanted it to be with more information.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
It's not just those guys. I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I talked to Claudia Wells who played the original, Jennifer Parker,
Don full of Love who played Mayor, Goldie Wilson, Harry
Waters Junior, who plays Marvin Barry, who sings the Earth
Angel song, you know, everybody I could, Jeffrey Weissman, who
actually took over for Crispin Glover and Back to the
Future two and three, and he was kind of the
actor they tried to make look like Crispin.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
And there was the whole.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Controversy of that, just getting everyone's insight on why they
think that this movie is these film franchise rather continues
to stand the test of time. So yeah, so talking
to Gale and all these guys it's talking to you
is crazy to me still talking to them as well,
like it's amazing where the you know, life takes you.
And to have these conversations and to you know, be
(21:06):
able to talk to the people who did it.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
And made it and and and.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
And brought it to life, especially Bob Gale, who this
whole thing was his idea.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
When uh Aw's first starting wins Madison Square Garden for
a Ranger game to kind of promote AW whatever New
York market or being on TVs, and Michael J. Fox
was there as well, just kind of a couple, you know,
sections down and they put on on their.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Michael J. Fox. People cheer and then it.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Said Chris Jericho wwe, so people cheer. I was like, gosh,
so the word got around. So then later on the
game put Chris Jericho a W So I got to
mentions in the garden.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Michael J. Fox only got one.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Sounds appropriate, sounds appropriate, you know.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
So I went over and talked to him for because
he's obviously the Canadian kids, small town kid as well,
and you know, a great guy. But let's let's talk
a little bit about some of these other people that
he spoke to and what kind of insight did you
get from from them? For example, you know Chrispin Glover,
First of all, why wasn't he in two and three?
And second of all, what kind of insight did you
(22:16):
get for him? Because we know he's notoriously eccentric.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
He's very eccentric, and well, the reason why he wasn't
in the other two films it kind of is one
of these he said, she said, situations like Crispin said,
he had some creative differences. The producers say, he wanted
too much money. You know, we couldn't agree on a
salary for him. Whatever the case might be. He didn't
end up being in it. But him choosing not to
(22:42):
return to the franchise is what changed Back to the
Future two and three because originally this movie was Back
to the Future one. The end of it was a joke.
It wasn't meant to set up a franchise. Oh, they
didn't really do that too much in the eighties, you know,
or we're gonna set up these long term stories and
we're gonna have one lead into the other. That wasn't
the idea at all. They thought this would be a
really great way to pay off, Like the end of
(23:03):
the movie is like a fun joke.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Oh, where are they going to next? I'll let your
mind figure it out. They're going to the future.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
So when they went back to everyone in the cast
and everyone said, yes, we'll do it, Yes, we'll do it, Yes,
we'll do it. And Chrispin was the only one that
kind of said, I'm not feeling that because he had
issues with the ending of Back to the Future Part one.
He thought that it was too materialistic and it gave
the wrong message that money equates success and success and
money equal happiness, and.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
That's not really what it should be.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
So we had some creative differences with, you know, the
way that the films were being I guess written or
what have you, and he didn't want to return to it.
So that's what made Bob Gale go, Okay, then we'll
just kill him off. We'll just kill George McFly. I mean,
that's the power of being a writer, right, We'll just
kill him off. And so that's why when they go
to the Biff Horrific period, the alternate nineteen eighty five
(23:49):
and Back to the Future Part two, that's why George
McFly is dead and you know, killed them, and that's
where the idea came from. But they had to get
this actor, Jeffrey Wiseman, who he really was in an
unenviable position.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Like you have to come in, you have to kind
of act like Crispin Glover.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
We're going to try to make people think that it's
Crispin Glover and not really you.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You know, we're gonna bill you, but we want people
to think it's Crispin.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
And they even edited in scenes from Back to the
Future Part one and Part two to kind.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Of continue that illusion.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
So he has a really fascinating story because he and
Crispin were friends before this. And you know then there
was a whole lawsuit the Crispin Glover filed because they
used his likeness and his life mask. And I know
you've been on a lot of films and I'm sure
they've done the life cast of your mask before to
do you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Now, I do it digitally. Back then they would do
it with you know, my.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Plaster or whatever it would be and the resident or
what have you.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
So they have this life mask, so they were able
to actually get prosthetics to put onto Jeffrey's face and
Crispin uh didn't take too kindly to that, so.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
You know, he followed the lawsuit and they settled out
of court.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
No one really knows the outcome of it, but that
was why he ended up not being in it. But
he is one of many people who ended up not
being in either the sequels or the originals because we
know Eric Stoltz was the original Marty McFly and they
shot with him for six to eight weeks, depending on
who you had.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Well, so Tom Wilson says, he was like, we were
at the point of the production where we're thinking, like, okay,
we're talking about what we have next, Like, hey, what
are you working on next? What you got lined up?
Along they were, they're wrapping up, and they were showing
the dailies to Roberts and Mechas was showing the dailies
to Steven Spielberg and was like, man, I just don't
(25:36):
feel like this is clicking the way that we wanted to.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
And the real issue was Eric Stolt's.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Great actor Obviously he's a really great actor has gone
on to have a good career for himself.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
But he was method, so he was Marty. Everyone called
him Marty.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
He acted like Marty on and off the set and
on and off takes, and they said he was playing
it too serious, like he.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Was acting as this this was actually happening to a kid.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
And if you think about it, if a teenager goes
back to the past, is stuck there and his mom
is starting to come on to him, you might not
have such a comedic reaction like.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Michael Michael did right exactly.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
You might have a little bit more worrisome about how
this is going to turn out. He's playing it so real.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
And they shot for six eight weeks and then Steven
Spielberg said, you're just not.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Getting the laughs that you want.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
What's unbelievable to just think about that for a second, Brad.
I mean, obviously you're you're in show business, but this
is this is a big time Hollywood blockbuster film that
after six to eight weeks, ay.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
They decided to pull the plug astart from Scratches.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
From a monetary standpoint, b that Spielberg has the power
to do that and see what did Eric Stoltz think
I don't want to take a gun and shoot Spielberg
for that?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I mean, And and the thing is, it was so
hard to find anything with Eric Stoltz his opinions on it.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I mean I could not.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I looked long and hard, every reddit board you can
think of, every article, going through newspaper archives. And then finally,
about six months ago, five or six months ago, a
clip from the Bob Costas Show Later, which was a
late night half hour talk show in the nineties. Eric
(27:16):
Stultz was on there promoting some off Broadway play.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
So it's very obscure, very obscure clip.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
And he happened to get asked about what he thought
about Back to the Future, and he seemed at the
time that he understood the reasoning, and he said it
was tough medicine to take, but it actually made him
a better actor because of it, which I think is
the most healthy way to look at it.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But he also said, like, it's the director's call, you know,
and you.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Know this from being on sets and being in wrestling
and stuff, like, Hey, it's not my show, your shows,
what do you want from me. I'll facilitate the best
way that I can, and he just wasn't able to
do it. He's so Eric Stultz gets replaced by Michael J.
Fox six weeks in, and Michael J. Fox was filming
Family Ties in the day and then coming to film
Back the Future at night, so this was round the clock.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
And then he ended up doing again for the sequels because.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Family Ties was still on during this time he was
shooting the sequels. And also Malaura Harden was cast as
the original Jennifer Parker when Eric Stultz was in the movie,
and then they had to fire her because she was
taller than Michael J.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Fox. So when they come back then they're like, oh,
we got to fire you because you're too tall.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
And it's not like they can have an apple box
or apple crate in every shot for when he's with
his girlfriend and make him look six' four or.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Whatever so they had to Fire Malaura harden from the.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Movie so there's like so many people who almost could
have been either in the movie or in the.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Sequels and not to mention then as we started going
down the food chain here all but everybody else has
to redo their scenes.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Again, well so that's What Christopher lloyd was so worried.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
About he was, LIKE i just threw EVERYTHING i had
into This Doc brown. Role and you notice his portrayal
of the character is this constantly in, crisis, huge very physical,
performance and you get to the six to eight week,
Mark you're, Thinking i'm good to.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Go i've shot all my, scenes and they're.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Like, no you got to redo them. All and thankfully
they were able to keep some. Coverages and if you
listen to him Or Tom wilson or some of the
people who had scenes With, eric they say, that like
When eric When biff gets punched and lose cafe in
nineteen fifty five From, marty they say that that's Actually
Eric stolt's punching.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Him not like there were some coverages that they kept in.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
There BUT i can't imagine having to go through an
entire production and then's restarting. IT i don't think it
would ever happen. Today there's no way that any studio
would be, like we spent two hundred million on This Iron,
man let's do it.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
AGAIN i just think from a budgetary stamperd there's no.
Way but it's just.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Interesting maybe forty years ago things ran, differently and then
once again the fact That spielberg had the power to
pull the plug at that.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Point, nowadays they'd be, like, hey tough, Luck we're in.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
It it's, good it's, fine it's, great don't worry about.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
It but you talk about peak of their.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
POWERS i, Mean spielberg would go on to, continue but
god Man Et Close Encounters jaws Means Indiana.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Jones he.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Was he doesn't say. Anything he. Was he was the
guy pretty much all of the. Eighties he was the.
Guy you Mentioned Tom, Wilson and.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
There's a great part in your book Why biff is
the greatest heel he, ever the the you, know the
the greatest cinematic villain.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Ever let's discuss that before you. Do have you ever seen?
Him that? Thing it's it's all over on TikTok and On.
Instagram he sings that song called the.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Question, yeah so stop asking me the. Question, yeah What's Chris?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Weever, LIKE i haven't talked to him forty. Years what
does a producer?
Speaker 3 (30:46):
DO i don't, Know, no, Great, yeah he's, great and
he's And biff is great in the. Movie and when
you think about, it AND i count him in the
book AND i think it's. Seven he's either seven OR
i think it's seven that it comes out to seven
different variations of The biff Character, biff, really, Yeah because
there's The biff we see in eighty, five then there's
(31:08):
Young biff in fifty, five and then there's the subservient
To george McFly biff in at the end of nineteen
or the end of the first movie in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Five then you see old Man.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Biff you See Biff, horrific which is the most Powerful
biff in the. World and then you Have griff the,
grandson and Then Bewford tannan the great. Grandfather so you
have seven versions of the same character, ESSENTIALLY i, mean
give or take The griff And beauford Mad Dog, tannon
but the same actor portraying seven variations of this essentially
(31:38):
same person and doing so really. Effortlessly AND i, say
in That Biff horrific, period.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Which we call the night the alternate nineteen eighty, five and.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
This is why he's running the casino and he's married
To lorraine and.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yes, yeah and he goes, back gives himself the almanac
and becomes the lucky man and the richest man in
the world or what have. You you, know when you
look at that scene where he's on the top of
this pleasure paradise and He's Keellen.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Marty you, know it's it's poetic.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Justice i'm gonna kill two mcflies with the same, gun,
right they couldn't match the bullet that killed your old.
Man and the way that he delivers it is so,
vicious like it's so real, though and you feel the
terror in. Him so this movie that's really light and
fun in a lot of, Ways Tom wilson And biff
(32:32):
find a way to really give us that ultimate bad
guy because you want nothing more than to him to
get his come up and at the end of the,
movies at the end of all three of the, movies
and he does so so well and to, me you
know this a heel can really start to become cool.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Where people like. Him so he's a, badass you.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Know and you you're a perfect example when you're that
eighth nine twenty ten run where you were wearing the
suits and the perfect diction and the long word and the.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Way that you portrayed that.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Character you made it to where there wasn't like a
redeeming quality to that version Of Chris.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Jericho we did not want to cheer for.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
You we wanted to see you get, beat especially in
that beautiful feudia With. Sean and so for, me when you,
Know hogan and those guys were doing THE, nWo they became.
Cool they became the coolest guys on the. Show LIKE i,
Know i've talked To booker before he. GOES i went
out AND i was the baby face AND i was getting,
booed you, know Got hall like he killed.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Me it was so.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Hard.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, so you, know so With, biff there's not a
point in any of these movies where you, go this guy's.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
AWESOME i WISH i Was Biff Darth. Vader you say
that guy's.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Awesome everyone Loved Darth, vader you, know and he even
gets redemp redemption at the end of the. Series but
WHEN i think of like great cinematic, villains And i'm
sure there's a longer list than Just.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Biff, tannon but there's just no redeeming qualities to.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Him and that's WHY i think he's just the perfect
heal and he does so in seven.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Variants you're and you're right BECAUSE i always say it's
a lot of us to make people hate you than
it is to make them like. You but then when
they start hating, it then they start liking. You and
all the great Villains Darth, Bateer Freddy, Krueger.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Hannibal, lecter, Whatever Schwarzeneger's.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Terminator, yeah if you, know by the second or third,
movie they're instantly babyfaces because they're just so, cool you,
Know And biff was never that's Because marty was always.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Cool but that's a great point that you.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Made imagine Being Thomas wilson in nineteen eighty four or
whatever getting this script Because i've never thought about.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
It not was he playing the?
Speaker 4 (34:34):
HILL i got to play this guy in three different, variations.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Like in one.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Movie, yeah in one movie and.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Once, Again i'm sure he did a lot of other,
stuff but it's not like we know any of. It
this could be if you said these are the only
three movies he ever, Made i'd be, like, yeah you're,
Right and what a great three movies to make for an.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Actor oh, YEAH i, mean and yes he did go
on to do other, things you. Know nowhere is the
one that comes to. Mind Christopher lloyd's in that one,
Too but but, yeah he's known for these, roles and
and he should be because he's so good at him
and the didn't even think about, this like it's not just,
Okay i'm gonna play this, guy you, know young and,
old and then a little bit different in eighty, Five
(35:14):
like his physicality, Changes, yeah in each of.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Them you, know when.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
He's in eighty, five he's a little bit, heavier he's.
Drinking you, know all you got for me McFly is light.
Beer you, know he's got kind of a beer, belly
and he's a little bit. Heaftier and then he's this young.
POWERHOUSE i, Mean FIfF was.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Huge he was.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Jacked he looked jack in fifty, five and then he's
got to come back and he's kind of got like
a little bit of a hump in his back and
various shoulders are, dropped and his performance is different because
he's subservient To. George oh oh, yes mister, McFly i
just put on the second coat.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Of wax right now to be able to.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Do that and to make it believable and pull it,
Off LIKE i Maybe i'm putting too much into, it
BUT i just feel like he's so good at.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
It and then to go do that for two more.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Movies, yeah he went on to voice a lot of
cartoons and that sort of a, thing just in case
anybody's looking to.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
See but uh, yeah, great great character.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Roleman once, again like you, said, pulling pulling the, bullet
using a gun to kill both the.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Flies that's something that THAT i.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Remember you, know BECAUSE i, think, yeah, Exactly BUT i
Watched back in The future probably on an annual, basis
two and three not as, much but they're both you,
know once, again they're not as good as, one but
they're Pretty you're you're talking about a real case for
one of the best trilogies, ever right up there with
the Original Star wars, trilogy in the in the Initial
(36:33):
Indiana jones trilogy as well.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Well AND i Called back to The future of pure
trilogy because you, know The Star Wars Kyle Walker saga
has nine. Movies The Indiana jones now we just got
the fifth, one was it a year or two? Ago
back to The future has been three, movies and that's
all it's ever, been and it's all it ever will.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Be AND i can't think of one that's as. Satisfying of,
course you can talk.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
About The Dark knight, trilogy but the third, one kind
of The Dark Knight, rises isn't like a favorite amongst
people you talk About godfather, Series Godfather part, three you,
KNOW i, mean, okay but you Know George hamilton is
the consol right, Now, OKAY i, guess so you, know.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
You know The omen trilogy from the.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Seventies omen three is kind of a shitty slasher, movie
like the third one is always the one that.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Suspects But back.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
To The teacher gets that, too. Though people don't want
the third one as.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Much but it's stronger as as a third part of
a series than.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
MOST i, mean you, know maybe Not return of The
jedi Or Holy, grail but it's still pretty damn.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Good it's.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Good and you know, What back to The future three
is like to, me more Like part one because It's
marty And. Doc they're stuck in the. Past, yeah no
obvious way to get back to the. Future they've got
to get inventive and then all these things end up,
happening Whereas back to The Future part two is fun and,
REALLY i don't Think i've ever seen a movie like
it in Your, cinophile so maybe you could tell, Me
(37:58):
BUT i don't remember a movie where half of the
movie they go back to the original movie and then
see it from different. Perspectives and reshoot all that and
make it feel Like zamecas at this time has to
be on a creative high because he's coming Off romancing The.
Son he's going Into back to The future, one then
he goes Into Roger, rabbit WHICH i can't imagine how
(38:20):
difficult of a technical challenge that was in nineteen eighty
seven eighty eight when that movie came, out and.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Then right into The back to The future.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Sequels and to have that idea of what if we
go back into the first movie is great because the
original script they weren't going to go back into the
nineteen fifty Five it was Actually marty goes to the.
Future he sees a holographic concert Of Huey lewis in the.
News there's all these kinds of small little, differences but
they do go with the. Almanac biff goes and becomes
(38:49):
the most powerful, man But marty actually goes back to
nineteen sixty seven instead of nineteen fifty, five And lorraine
is A vietnam, protester And marty gets locked up for
being a conscientious objector to the to the, war And biff.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Has, helping you, KNOW i, mean there's all. Kinds it's
very different from what we.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Read and then even in the alternate nineteen eighty, Five
marty and docc are having a fly away from police
helicopters and there's a grenade launcher getting you, know shot at,
them WHICH i guess is a recurring theme Of back
to The.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Future there's a lot of grenade launchers. RPGs but it
was so, different and it was.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
One it was gonna be one, sequel so they were
gonna have this one, huge sprawling epic that was going
to go from the future to the past and then
back to The western times all in one.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Movie and, then, uh.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
You, know the studio was, like this is a long,
script AND i don't think we need a four.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Hour follow up To back to The.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Future and that was when the idea, came, well we
can split into two movies and shoot him back to
back the way That superman. Did you, KNOW i think
they Shot superman one and two pretty much at the same.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Time they did the same thing with The Three musketeers.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Movies they did those at the same, time and that
was where we actually got two parts To back to
The future as opposed to just a big fi up.
Squel but, YEAH i Mean you can actually find the
original script Called paradox online and you can read where
they were gonna go with.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
It very, different and the Original back to The future was.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Different the first version of the script Is marty McFly
is a video pirate who's ripping off movies and filming
them and selling them on the black, market and he
ends up finding the secret to the flux capacitor is coca.
Cola he knocks them coca cola in the flux capacitor
and it, works and in the end of the movie
was gonna be they go to a nuclear test site
and the atom bomb goes off and the only way
(40:31):
that they the time machine was a. Refrigerator they're gonna
nuke the, fridge like what they ended up doing In.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Indiana. Jones, Jones, yeah of.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Course SO.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
I mean it's so vastly, different AND i guess that's
also what fascinates. Me and it's really going back to
the theme of the movie is that one Change marty
is a video pirate is instead of a rock and.
Roller it changes Who marty McFly. Is you, know it's a. Refrigerator,
No we're gonna change it into dolore and it changes
the whole live of this. MOVIE i, MEAN i can't
(41:02):
imagine wanting to get in my refrigerator to go to
nineteen fifty. Five but In houston they have The delarean
headquarters AND i will go there to see IF i
can go back to the future in a.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Dolor it's so amazing when you hear how these movies
come together and that sort of a, thing because once,
again yeah they wrote. It you, know it sounds like
something from a you, know a Roll roal dal really
really want a glass, elevator time, machine refrigerator and then
changing it to A, DeLorean which at the time was
(41:33):
like the most space age.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Car and it's like Fucking seamus from W. B i
had A. DELAREAN i THINK i told him the last
TIME i went to his. House it's.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Terrible it looks like A, YEAH i MEAN i used
to have a seventy Six valari and it looked like
A valarian with the doors that go. Up and to this,
DAY i, mean take this is not. POLITICAL i had
to test the way before it became. Political the one
TESLA i did not want was the was the doors
going because it looks like A delarey back in the
future And it just reminds me of this cheap ass
(42:03):
car That seamus.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Had, well you know what's funny is too you talk
about Those Booker booker tchers got the cyber, truck and
the cyber truck to me has A delorian vibe to
it with that stainless steel, outside and thankfully he got
it wrapped and it looks way.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Better but it looks.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Much cooler than the Actual DeLorean.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Does oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yeah i've seen some concept of an Electric DeLorean that
they're trying to. Make would it looks pretty cool and pretty,
badass but, YEAH i mean the car itself is not
a great, car but to make that changes. Big and
there was a studio exec at the time where they're
making the. Movies his name Is Sid, shinberg and he
actually had a lot of, suggestions which when you think
about studio, notes they're always. Horrible they like don't get
(42:43):
the creativeness of. It and they always had, like you,
know we want to make it. Commercial Seth rogan has
a great show out right now called The, studio which
makes me think of, this like they want to make
the Kool aid movie and things like, that like make.
Money so but he had like several great, ideas like
he changed the character Of, lorraine named Her.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Lorraine he Said lorrain sounds.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Better he Changed Professor brown To Doc brown as opposed
to a chimpanzee named. Shimp he, said you should make
it a dog And Callum. Einstein, like there are these
like really small. Things but he had one. Note it
was the worst note maybe in the history of studio.
Executives he, said the title back to The future is
a terrible.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Title it's a horrible. Title it makes no. SENSE i
don't like.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
It he, said the perfect name for this movie Is
spaceman From, pluto and that's what he wanted to. Name
the movie was based off the comic That Sherman peabody's
son has at The Twin Pines. Ranch it says space
zombies From. Pluto, Right he was, like we'll say space
zombies From pluto instead of him Being Darth vader from
(43:46):
the Planet, vulcan he can be A spaceman From pluto
and that will be the name of the. Movie that's
really catchy and it has the vibes of a FIFTIES.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
B, movie but it's, Great and they were, like are
you kidding?
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Me we can't name this Movie spaceman From, pluto and
thankfully they didn't get that note. In But Eli roth
did a movie Called The house with The clock In Its.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Walls, yeah and With Jack Black and.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
If you see there's a scene where there's a movie
Theater marquee and if you see playing on the, theater
It's spakesman From, pluto which is an allusion to the
terrible name That Sid sheinberg came up.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
With it reminds me of The Kevin smith when he
did a spoken word show and he was talking about
how originally he was tapped to Do Wild Wild west
starring Starring Will. Smith oh, yeah And John peters demand
that has a giant spider in, it and he's, like
this makes no sense of a giant.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Spider It's. WESTERN i want a giant.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Spider and he dropped out of the project and the
movie came out it actually had a giant spiders spider
and it's just, like, What, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
John peters would have run for, him but, YEAH i,
mean could have been a terrible name for a movie
and killed.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
It so there's so many small things that changed this movie's.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
OUTCOME i like another one of the chapters in the
book deals with all the deleted, scenes you guys go
right into it like, This this book is amazing if
you are a back to the, future you, know a ficionado,
nerd if you. Will guys talking about the benefits of
deleting the, scenes and there's.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
So much good.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
Stuff BECAUSE i have not seen the deleted, scenes but
as soon As i'm reading the things that got, deleted
like the peanut brittle, scene it's, like, oh, Yeah george
is mccle loves peanut, brittle but there's a scene deleted
that really explains the reason why he quote unquote loves peanut.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Brittle, YEAH i mean there's a scene where it, shows you,
know the neighbor from down the street has his little, Girl,
scout who's trying to sell peanut, brittle and he he
ends up strong Arming george into buying the entire lot
of it Because george is a. Pushover so they're really
trying to hit you over the head with he's a.
Pushover and there's a scene in the movie where you
see they're Watching The honeymooners and he's just pouring this
(45:41):
big box of peanut brittle into a bowl And marty's.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Looking at it, like oh My, god this is my.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Dad and it's because of the scene that we, saw
you know that we didn't get this scene this idiot like.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
He's just scarfing down on, it the peanut.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Briddle, Exactly and that's what.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Like, again there's so many of, those and we only
a few of them in the. Book but there's another
chapter where we talk about a deleted scene From back
to The Future part two Where biff as the old
man comes back after stealing The. Dolorean and he comes
back and in the movie you just see him sitting
there and it looks like he's been through a hard,
time LIKE i guess time travel takes it out on
(46:19):
an old. Man but in the deleted, scene he, Disappears
AND i, thought, man that would have been such a
great scene to leave in the movie because it shows
you something happened To biff in the, past like he
went and altered it and now he's, disappeared Like marty
was disappearing in the first. Movie and they let in
the cut all the way through the test screenings and
then test. Audiences they said they were too confused by,
(46:41):
it so they took it. Out but for, Me i'm, like,
wow this is a scene that shows you that even
though we know he goes on to become the richest
man in the world and Marries lorraine and all these,
things still it doesn't pay off for him all the
money in the. World something changes in his life where
he dies earlier than. Expected AND i, thought, man that
was such a scene you probably should have left in the.
(47:01):
Movie but who AM i to? Say but you, KNOW
i just think about these things too.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
Long but you characterize it as a near fatal flaw
to take it.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Out, yeah, why well because because to, me when taking
it out, again it doesn't, highlight in my, opinion the
seriousness of time travel because we're just Assuming biff goes
and he gives The almanac and now he's the richest
man in the. World so, yeah in twenty, fifteen he's
(47:29):
going to still be.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
The richest man in the.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
World but if you leave that in and he, disappears
we know that it doesn't pay off for. Him like
our heroes are going to figure it. Out and ACTUALLY i,
asked there's a guy Named Stephen. Clark he runs back
to the future dot Com AND i asked, him, like you,
know what Does bob think about? This you know, scene
we know why did they take it, Out and again
they said it was because it was. Confusing But bob's
(47:53):
explanation of Why biff Disappears Bob gail that, is is
That lorraine ends up shooting him in the. Nineties THAT'S
i don't know where he comes up with, that but
that's his. Idea lorraine shot him in the, nineties and
that's why we don't see him in twenty fifteen in
this alternate. Timeline but they're just things like. That just
to me that as a fan who probably spends way
more time analyzing this movie than the normal person, goes
(48:16):
you could have left that in it had been, Great
but obviously The bobs know, best and the movies were great,
anyway with or without these.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
SCENES i, mean you do raise a good, point because
that was kind of the, big you, know race against
time In back to The future Was marty starts getting
weak as his picture gets thinner and, thinner.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Faded more and.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
More we never see that, again and especially in part
two where anybody's you, know it would have been cool
to see kind of a minor character fade away and disappear.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Well because it reinforces the time level had real, consequences right, right, right,
right more so then and they try to do it
in three where the name of the ravine is.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Different it's not Shown Ash, ravine It's Clayton.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Ravine and Then glentree One pine mall lone pine mall. Right, yeah,
yeah like those, things and like they do it in small.
Ways but to, me that was like gonna be a
big exclamation point Of, wow this is how you know
this we're reinforcing for people who may not remember because you,
know in in the eighties it's not like you could
go stream back to the. Future right before back to
(49:18):
The future, too you had to either go rent the
pape or own it or what have, you and you,
know you couldn't maybe remember, That oh, wait what.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Was the what Was? Marty why was he? Disappearing i'm not?
Sure and to.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Me that was like kind of restating the consequences of time.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Travel have another great chapter in the book.
Speaker 4 (49:40):
Talking with the, music the power of love and, music
and we mentioned it kind of in the in The
broadway Play how The Music Comes in talk about the
music In back in The, future just how perfect it
is and you, know just HOW i don't know if
there's another movie that has a theme song that is
so intertwined with the.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Movie like you hear, song you think of the, movie
see the, movie you think of the, song.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
And especially the power Of love Because huey Lewis AGAIN
i think this is kind of a theme of this,
conversation is that all these guys seem to be at
the peak of their.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Powers right this is right after.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
Sports he's like one of the biggest acts in the,
world and they go to him and, say you, know
we want to have you write.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
A song for the. Movie and he's, THINKING i don't
know What i'm going to really. Do and when you
think about, it power Of love doesn't have anything to
do With.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
Time For, nothing has nothing to do with The, DeLorean
it doesn't really have anything to do With marty back
in time more so, obviously But power Of love is
the big song for the, movie and for some reason
it just. Works and it's also AND i agree with,
you where it's so intertwined with the. Movie but also
power Of love is a song that CAN i hear
(50:47):
it in. Commercials they had a in A deadpool And.
Wolverine there's a hole in this in the montage where
they're visiting the Different wolverines in different.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Timelines they're Playing power Of love during. It you, know it's.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Also a song that isn't our twiement back to The,
future but has a life of its. Own AND i
would venture to, SAY i, mean Maybe i'm, wrong but
it's got.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
To Be Huey lewis's biggest.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
RECORD i don't think there's a bigger song Than power
Of love For Huey lewis in my. Opinion and he
was the right guy at the right, time and it
was the right song in the right.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Movie and it's again why everything just seems to.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
Click so you Have zamecha's at the peak of his,
Powers MICHAEL. J, Fox Steven, Spielberg Christopher, Lloyd Huey, lewis
and they all came together to make it. Great and
then you have just classic fifty songs Like johnny Be
good Who Doesn't know that? Song Who Doesn't Love Earth?
Angel they're great songs to have in. Here and then
obviously the music With Alan, silvestrie one of the best
(51:46):
scores of all. Time he's up there to be With
John williams based just on this score, alone how recognizable
it is to this. Day But power Of Love Huey.
Lewis you couldn't have found any better than, that because,
again this is the where you're coming off actual f you,
know the huge synth pop.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
Stuff Even fletch has a kind of a synth. THING
i Think Faltimar, Herold faltemar's, again.
Speaker 3 (52:10):
Who did Those and it would have been very easy
just to have that and back to the. Future this
is the sound of the. Day we're gonna have this
kind of synth pop music in.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Here it's the. Eighties but they didn't do.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
That they went with a classic orchestral score and then
they went and got a rock and roller to give
them some, great great records for.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
This But, marty as a, rocker that's the party to.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
Rock AND i would almost, surmise once, AGAIN i don't
know a quarter as much about the future as you,
do BUT i would almost surmise that Huey uh submitted
back In time as the, song and then when.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
We just wrote this other, one it's pretty fucking.
Speaker 4 (52:47):
Cool you want to hear that one? Too, yeah, sure
back In time is, great but what about this?
Speaker 1 (52:52):
One the power of?
Speaker 4 (52:52):
Love like you, said it has nothing to do with,
it but it has everything to do with, it because
if you look at What back to The future is all.
About it's about the power of love going back in.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Time, uh you, know making the parents fall in love
with each.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
Other, yes and then you.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
Know and and and saving your best friend's, life you
know In Doc. Brown you, know it's just it's all.
Intertwined so it's it's one of those kind of happy.
Accidents i'd love to say That huey was a prognosticator
and went, no, no, no this this song really is about
the overall theme Of back in The.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
FUTURE i just think it's one of those things just
worked out.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Perfectly, yeah it was a killer.
Speaker 3 (53:29):
Record there's a killer, record and it fit in the
movie they put it, in and then, YEAH i think
at least one of those happy accidents where people can
draw the theme y and they apply it to it
as opposed to.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
The other way.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Around paul is, dead here's all the. Clues it's, like,
yeah here's the.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Clues, yeah we'll.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Take, it you.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
Know in The.
Speaker 4 (53:45):
Conspiracies, yeah and of course the classic moment that's That
huey actually is the guy to Tell marty that he
doesn't make it to the talent show because he's just
too damn.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
Loud he's just.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
Too damn loud, man and it's a great cameo for,
him and it's and it also kicks off you, know
they were going, to LIKE i, said have A Huey
lewis holographic concert in the original version Of back to
The Future part two. Script but then even when you
go to part, three you have another rock and roll icon,
group a band with D top you, Know Texas, royalty
and they fit right into The Old, west and they
(54:18):
have the record double back for the, soundtrack and, yeah
they were great, too you. Know and it it shows
you that this franchise also could tap into the power
of music, man And silvestri has gone on to do
so many great.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
Movies he, means he does all The avengers.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Films and he was, instrumental no pun intended with the
creation Of back to The future the musical and being a.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
Supervisor music supervisor on that whole.
Speaker 3 (54:43):
Production so the music is just as much BECAUSE i
can hear The back to The future theme and it
just gets, me gets me, hype, man it gets me
ready to.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Go, Yes and for those who leose. Enthusiasque Chris, hayes
the guitar, player is also one of the judges that Tell.
Speaker 4 (55:00):
Mary as we start to wind, out let's let's one
more quick musical note When marty goes back to.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Well, actually there's a great scene that.
Speaker 4 (55:13):
Was deleted talking about when when When george McFly has
been awake all, Night and that's what let's talk.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
ABOUT i was gonna ask you a questions about that,
scene but talk about the deleted scene.
Speaker 3 (55:24):
First, so, yeah in the deleted, scene this is Where
marty shows up In george's. House he's trying to Convince
lorraine to go back to go Ask lorraine to the
dance mid storte to ask, him.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
And george is just too. Afraid he's you, know two
in his.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
Head so he goes and pretends to be because he
Knows george love science, fiction he goes and pretends to
be an, alien WHICH i feel like is one of
the most like little like no one talks, about like
the fact That marty pretends to be an alien in this.
Movie but he goes in the sneaks into his house
and you, know wakes him up with The Van halen music,
(55:59):
play has a hair dryer in a radiation suit and
says He's Darth vader from the planet vulcan and he Chloroforms.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
George he chloroforms.
Speaker 3 (56:07):
Him and this is it's an extended scene where he
chloroforms him and knocks him. Out and that's Why george
oversleeps and doesn't make it to. School we thought it
was just because he didn't get any sleep because he
was afraid of this alien that came to visit. Him but,
no he was chloroformed By. Marty that that checks. Out you,
know Maybe marty the video.
Speaker 4 (56:27):
Pirate but, yeah but he also had a hair, dryer
which we don't know the reason, why but he had
packed one in his car earlier or.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
Something, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:36):
Exactly and and and it's one of the fun things
to when you like go through and you look at
the scenes and you read through them and even discuss,
them just figuring out like because like you, know sometimes those.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Least scenes they do help add a little bit.
Speaker 3 (56:49):
MORE i think that cutting this scene down the way
that they did for the movie and like kind of
killing the chloroform from it good.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
Idea like, overall same.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
Thing like one of the reasons they change it from
the refrigerator was because they didn't want a bunch of
kids getting locked in a refrigerator trying to go back in.
TIME i also, think LIKE i DON'T i think cutting
the chloroform is a good, Idea like you don't want
kids asking.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Their parents for chloroform For christmas so they can do
the down.
Speaker 4 (57:14):
Out the QUESTION i was gonna, ask is that actually
Van eddie Van halen playing because it's just it's just
loud streaming.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
Guitars so that's actually Van, Halen it's.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Van halen playing.
Speaker 3 (57:22):
It, yeah they got him to do this pacific piece
of music just for the, movie just for the, movie
and you, know and it. Worked you would think maybe
they would have gotten the Van halen record, itself but you,
know they had this piece of music and it. Does
if look going from fifty five to eighty, five obviously
music changes drastically because fifty, five you're just a year
removed from the debut Of, elvis and rock and roll
(57:44):
is still very country and blues. Heavy Johnny begod really
starts to kick it off and everything That Choked berry's
doing into making rock and roll a.
Speaker 2 (57:52):
Little bit more.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
Electric but going into eighty, five that's why it's the
great joke there in The enchantment under the, Scene chapman
of The seae dance Where marty rips this great guitar
solo and does The Pete townsend wind meal and all
the things it makes it and.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
Goes your kids are gonna love it because.
Speaker 3 (58:10):
Any to them to the fifty five, years this sounds
like alien, music which makes sense for Van.
Speaker 4 (58:16):
Halen, Well, brad once, again so much great stuff in.
Here and you mentioned earlier there will never be A
back to The future FOR i, mean obviously With michael's,
condition probably.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Can't but even if let's Say mike was.
Speaker 4 (58:30):
In great, health would you still think there would be
no number?
Speaker 3 (58:34):
Four so, LIKE i used to feel differently about. THIS
i used to be one of those diehard fans who, said,
look the trilogy's, perfect don't touch, it don't mess with,
it leave it. ALONE i have changed my mind in
recent years to where, like if they make a New
back to The future television, show BECAUSE i talked to
the guys From Cobra kai and they say they have
some great idea Or back to The FUTURE tv. Series
(58:55):
it's a perfect. Idea they wouldn't tell me what it.
WAS i tried to get it out of, them but
they thought it was. Great AND i Asked Bob. GAIL i, said, hey,
man the guys From Cobra kai have a great idea
For back to The.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
Future they want to pitch, you and he's, like, NO
i don't.
Speaker 3 (59:06):
Care these are the, movies but my mind has changed
on it to Where i'd be open to.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
It because the thing about.
Speaker 3 (59:12):
It is this The ghostbusters movie that came, out the
one the all female. CAST i think they call It
answer The, Call, Ghostbusters answer The. CALL i was open
to it when it came. OUT i was, like, look
if it's, great it's. Great if it, sucks it. Sucks
but if it, SUCKS i still have the Original ghostbusters.
FILM i went and saw it with a open. MIND
i thought it was kind of. TERRIBLE i didn't like
(59:33):
that version Of, ghostbusters but it didn't depreciate my love
for the original. Two and then they ended up making
subsequent movies THAT i think That The afterlife was pretty.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
Good the last, One Frozen, empire not so.
Speaker 3 (59:47):
MUCH i didn't really love, it but it still doesn't
take away from the eighty.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
Four Classic ghostbusters to.
Speaker 3 (59:51):
Me so if they make a New back to The
future movie AND i love, it that's more back to The.
Future but if they make a New back to The future,
movie and it. Sucks it's not going to take away
in my love the original.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Three So i'm open to.
Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
It But Bob gailee And Bob zamechas have both said
over our dead, bodies, like it's not going to ever.
Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Happen they just think there's there's no way you can
improve on.
Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
It it would be hard to improve on that.
Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Trilogy and ALSO i think that you, know if you
if you knock it out right and you just hit it,
perfect you, know why return to the well too many?
TIMES i Know universal calls them probably every other, Week, yeah,
hey can we do Another back to The future?
Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Thing can we do Another back to The? Future but
they just.
Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
That's my point kind of with The Star, wars you,
Know disney owning. IT i, mean some of it's, great
so it's not so, great but it just seems the
concept of That, DeLorean with the you, know with just that,
right there is enough to be, like there is so
much you could do with. This and obviously somewhere there's
(01:00:51):
a you, know A Kevin smith or A James gunn
or A Brad gilmour or somebody that's written the perfect.
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Script you gotta see, this AND i.
Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
Would think at some point they will sell it To
disney if they haven't, ALREADY i Mean Universal, STUDIOS i, know.
Whatever it just it's not EVEN i think we're so
we're so committed To doc And marty that there is
other people that can find This DeLorean in a flex
capacitor and you, know have some great stories from.
Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
IT i agree with, you And i'd be open to. It.
Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
NOW i like represent the minority of The back to
The future community who wanted to just remain as, is
which is.
Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
FUN i understand, that But i'm open to.
Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Stories BECAUSE i do think that it's completely. Endless it's
completely endless of what you can do and where you can.
Go And I'm i'm so interested to hear one day
what The Cobra kai guys think and how they could
adapt it for television because they did a phenomenal job
with The Karate kid and they obviously have a great
love for everything nineteen.
Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Eighty So i'd love to see.
Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
It and do do The bobs own? It the? Studios the, Studios, yeah,
gotcha they.
Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Have they have the rights to.
Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
It they have the rights to make the story again
if they want, to and they're just they're they're unrelenting on,
it and, look it's their. Decision it's it's totally their.
Decision you, know maybe one, day you, know they said
over their dead, bodies so you, know unfortunately one day
that that comes for, everybody and perhaps the family, goes,
hey you know WHAT i?
Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
Mean didn't they just didn't they just sell The James
bond franchise.
Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
They did The broccolis after sixty years, plus said we're
getting out of The bond. Business y'all do with it
what you, want which again is, like look are we
Got does that mean we're probably gonna get a lot
More James bond. Content, sure we're gonna get television, Jows
we're gonna have a Money Peer moneypenny.
Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Series i'm sure probably. Awesome, yeah it could be, awesome
it could. Suck i'm open to it either.
Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Way you, Know i'll watch it and IF i love,
it it's More, bond more back to the, Future, Like
i'm open to.
Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
It i'm not going to pre judge Something.
Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Felix, Lighter International.
Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Playboy i'd love that prestige television before, episode you, Know netflix.
Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Series last question for, You, brev is there a favorite
scene from any of the movies for you that that
still stands out to the stay for.
Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
You it's the silliest, one but it does stand out to.
Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Me it's right After marty wakes up in fifty five
and there's The Hope chess scene With, lorraine and then
they go down and they're having dinner and they're, saying
no one has two television, sets And marty gets up
real quick and, leaves and in The, grandfather you, know his,
Grandfather lorraine's dad, goes he's an.
Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Idiot it comes from. Upbringing his parents are probably idiots.
Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Too and for some, reason every TIME i watch that,
SCENE i tackle out loud BECAUSE i think it's such a,
funny funny piece of. Dialogue but that's like a personal.
Favorite but obviously you could choose anything from any of the.
Movies and in recent YEARS i find myself going to
part three the.
Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
MOST i really Love back to The Future part.
Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Three and WHEN i talk To Christopher, lloyd he said
that was his favorite Was back to.
Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
The Future part three of all of.
Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Them so there's SOMETHING i don't know if it's comes
on From texas and we Like western, right like The,
rodeo but, three there's a lot of great scenes in three.
Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
Two my favorite is when they go to the to
the cafe and Gold Goldie, wilson's you, know sweeping the
floors and it's, like what are you gonna be? Mayor he's, like, Yeah,
Maya i'm going to Be. Maya and then when they
land in nineteen the Mayor Goldie wilson so. Same BUT
i was just, like, Like marty gave him the idea
to be the mayor Of.
Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Hill marty gives the idea for him to be the.
Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Mayor he invents rock and roll and skateboarding all within a.
Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
WEEK i, mean come, on what more do you?
Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Want martin, replies the coolest character in cinematic.
Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
History So, brad great talking to, you. Man look forward
to whatever you have coming up. Next you're always walking
on the. Show always a fun. Chat And why We
Love back in The future is a great.
Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
READ i appreciate.
Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
That christy cheers. Man thanks
Stop.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Stop, okay, last it's great. It's Marten.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
You can't be such a back to the future.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh I know you did send me back to the future, but.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm back, I'm back from the future.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Great.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Wait a minute, wait, my gosh, are you telling me
that you built the time machine the way I see it?
Speaker 4 (00:33):
If you're going to build a time machine, and why
not doing some style.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Looking very daffer here?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
It is a new one, no more with the new
book why we love back to the Future, Which is
great because the last time we spoke was for your
last book, which was also about back in the future.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
That one was called just back.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Was that go back from the back.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
From the future.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yes, So let me ask you this, Why do another
book on this movie? And I know the reason why
because it's still such a huge part of our pop
culture existence.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
But what was the timing to do this new book
right here? Right now?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
We know we're coming up on forty years believe it
or not of Back to the Future being in the
pop culture lexicon.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
And it was the last time thirty five years.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
The last time was thirty five years, Gotchakis forty years. Yeah,
so it's a.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Forty year anniversary of the first movie. But also this
year is the thirty fifth anniversary of Back to the
Future three. Last year was the thirty fifth anniversary Back
to the Future of Part two, So a lot of
anniversaries in this And then since I published the book,
there have been so much more.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Things that had come out for Back to the Future.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
There's the musical that finally got out after COVID struck.
You know, there was a series of comic books that
came out that really dived into the theories and the lexicon,
and the added to the lexicon I should say back
to the Future and answer these unanswerable questions. And then
I started, because of the book, started to have way
more converse about the movie with other people, people like
yourself or just random people at a comic convention or
(02:05):
on a radio interview. They just want to sit and
talk about their theories of Marty and Doc and how
did they meet and how did this happen?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Oh, can you believe they cut this scene from the movie.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
And then I just started talking to so many people
from the movies, Crispin Glover, Lea Thompson, Christopher Lloyd, Bob Gail,
Robert Zemeckis, getting to interview these people and talk to
them about these movies. I just felt like I had
so much more insight on the franchise than I did
when I wrote the book the first time. So I said,
you know what, let me just take another swing at
(02:34):
this thing, let me add some more, let me go
more in depth than I did previously, and really give
people a quintessential fans guide through what, my opinion still
is the greatest franchise in the history of cinema.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Well, it's interesting, and you mentioned in there that they
were talking Quentin Tarantina was talking about the perfect movie
and mentioned how Back in the Future is the perfect movie.
And I think that's one of the reasons why you,
like you just said, why there's so much of this
ancilliary projects and discussions going on, is it really does
hold up for any generation, any timeframe, do you?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I mean, obviously you do, But let's discuss why you
feel it is a perfect movie.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You know what, Well, first of all, there's no when
you think about the script. They literally will teach in
screenwriting classes in college they teach Back to the Future
script because the way that they set everything up in
the very beginning, it pays off by the end.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
There's no wasted scenes, there's no wasted movement. The expositions
all there set up payoff.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
It's like a really tight, well crafted, very very smart
constructed story in the script. But I think that the
appeal of the movie is really the reason why we
still talk about it is because I have this conversation
with a mutual friend of ours, Chris van Vliet. We
talked about it, who actually has a contribution in the book.
We talk about how Back to the Future really is
(03:56):
a movie about choices, and how the choices in your life,
these all little details like asking a girl out to
a dance at your school, or standing up to the bully,
or believing in yourself, How these small things changed the
complete complexion of your entire life.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
And who can't relate to that? Who can't relate to man?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Like I know, I played the game all the time,
like Wow, if I didn't do this, then that wouldn't happened.
Then that wouldn't have happened. Then that would have happened.
Everybody has that internal monologue in their head, and so
I think Back to the Future does something really beautiful
about not only telling of time travel story, but telling
a story of self discovery and belief, and also telling
a really awesome family story of getting to think just
(04:39):
the idea of where the movie came from. You find
your dad's yearbook in your basement and go, what was
it like to go to school with my dad?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
That's also a question that we would all wonder, like
was my dad cool in high school?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Was he a deep like was my mom like, you know,
kind of a little bit too flirtatious perhaps with all
the other guys. It's just such an interesting concept, but
it does come down to life is all about these
small choices, and that's why I think these movies just
stand the test of time, especially the first.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
One, and I agree with it is a perfect film.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
There's nothing you can say, oh, you know, they could
have cut fifteen minutes out of it.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
How many times do you say that.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Of a movie like, oh man, they could have shaved
fifteen to twenty minutes off it had been really really good.
This one is like what do you cut? You can't
cut the clock tower scene, you can't.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Cut the cut you know, him performing Johnny be Good.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
There's no like fat there, and so yeah, I just
feel like that's why it's perfect.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I think, to you it's it's it's one of those
things where and I'm saying this with the utmost respect,
and you'll get where I'm coming from this. I think
with with with Michael Fox's condition now with the Parkinson's
and we see him and you see him in back
in the future as this top of his game actor
(05:54):
who had his career not been cut short by his
by his you know, disability, what would have been even
double So I can't even imagine what a what a
adult you know, aging Michael J. Fox, the parts that
he could have played and then the things he would
have done. So it almost is this great point in
time where he was at his peak and just a
(06:14):
few years later started feeling the effects of his disease.
So I find that's kind of it is kind of
a time machine in that to go back and watch
Michael J. Fox just crushing it as this amazing role
in the midst of many great ones that he played
in this timeframe.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Well, I mean yeah, because he's coming off a teen Wolf,
but he's still on Family Ties, which was a number
one show. He was the most popular character on this show.
He was kind of the the the American or the
North American icon really, yeah, you know, and and you're right,
peak of his powers because after this, after the Back
to the Future trilogy, Yeah, he had some shows.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
He had Spin City, you know. He did a few movies.
Greed I think was one of them.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Doc Hollywood. There was like a few things, Secrets of
My Success. There was a few things that he did.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
He voiced Stuart Little Right, which was a really popular movie.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
This was the war movie he was in. Was the
more serious role for.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Oh, oh, I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
It'll come to me, It'll come to me.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
But these were peak of his powers with the Back
to the Future movies and and and really for the
entirety of the cast, the entirety cast this movie was
so popular. I mean, Christopher Lloyd had went on to
do several things, I mean several things. He was Jim
Ignatowski and Taxi before this, but people think Doc Brown.
He was Professor Plumb and Clue, which is another favorite
(07:29):
eighty five movie of mine. I love that Clue of
the movie. Nobody remembers him as Professor Plump. Everybody remembers
him as Doc Brown. He went on to play Uncle Fester.
He's about to play Uncle Fester again Casualties of War. Yeah,
but but he went on to you know, playing Uncle
Fester again. But see, people still think of him as
Doc Brown no matter what he does. And it's really
(07:52):
Leah Thompson, Crispin Glover, you can go through them all,
Tom Wilson, They're all remembered for this movie. And Robert
Zemeckis has gone on to put out in credible films
including Castaway, Forrest Gump, Flight. He just did here last year,
which was a really great movie with Tom Hanks.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Again, but people still want to talk about Back to
the Future.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Let's get into your book, because you got a lot
of different subjects and topics. But you mentioned already the
musical I love, So you were saying that, let's talk
about the musical. It was supposed to come out before
COVID then went down. Now it is actually out.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
They had been planning this musical like since the early
two thousands. The idea had been getting thrown around and
they were ready to do it and they were ramped up.
They actually started the previews over in the West End
across the pond there and then COVID struck. So after
I think it was a week, about a week of previews,
the entire production shut down, and this dream that Bob
(08:49):
Gail and the team of Back to the Future had
of bringing this to a stage musical was vanished. It
was gone because like everything else, the world stopped. Not
only did the NBA stop, you know, Back to the Future,
the musical stopped. I think the only thing that didn
stop was wrestling. Ever, that was the only constant and
it never will start right. But so yeah, they had
(09:09):
to go through it, and then in twenty twenty three
it finally made its way straight side. August third, they
had their official Broadway debut at the Winter Garden Theater.
After a lot of time putting into this musical, I mean,
they had different creative teams going to try to.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Cast I mean, because here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yes, there are movies like let's say, we've talked about
James Bond before. Hey, we've seen other actors play that
role Batman, We've seen other actors play that role Superman,
same spider Man, whatever. For this movie, we've never seen
anyone else tackle the roles of Marty McFly and Doc Brown.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
So to have to go through that casting process and.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Find the right person who can do kind of an
imitation of some kind of what we saw in the movies.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
But actually bring it to a fresh stage. Not a parody, right,
Not a parody. And that's like a really tough line.
You want to give.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
People the characters that they know, but you don't want
to come off as, like you said, a parody of itself.
So to be able to do that and then to
think about adapting it into a musical because we think, oh,
they can just do the movie on stage, right, Well, no,
you got to figure out when's the right breaks for songs,
what songs do we sing, How can we turn a particular.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Scene into a song? What makes sense?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
And then how do you have a flying DeLorean in
a musical? How do you have you know, a Libyan
nationalist chasing you down the rocket launcher?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
You know?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Spoiler you don't? How do you have a dog? How
do you do all these things? And to me, when
I went and saw the Broadway production of it, and Chris,
I don't say this just as a back to the
future fan. I've seen a lot of Broadway shows, I've
seen a lot of live entertainment, and the production value
on this show was incredible. I mean just the way
that a Delorian appears on stage within a split second
(10:52):
and it does fly.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Over the crowd. Spoiler alert for everybody out there.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I mean, they made changes to the story to fit
the stage, but I feel like it is the We're
never going to get it Back to the Future four
according to Bob and Bob, But this feels like the
best extension of the franchise, you know, since Back to
the Future Part three.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
What differences to the to the script. I know that
there's a little bit of a different ending.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I heard, so the ending is different, and I actually
think that it kind of works.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
How long. I don't want to say it works better
than the original, because it's hard to.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Say anything does, but it's on the same level of it.
So as opposed to you remembering Back to the Future one.
At the end, Marty comes back. He's got the truck
in the driveway. The house is a little bit nicer.
He and his you know, Crispin and Leah Thompson. They're thinner,
and they look more successful, and the furniture is better.
And then he gets his new book, his first novel,
(11:47):
you know, match Made in Space and all these things.
It's a little bit different at the end of the musical,
we come back to the Hill Valley clock Tower into
like the town square, and it's George McFly day, because
George mca lies written a check to help save the
clock tower, and because he's this successful author of this
series of books. And the book that he has at
(12:07):
the end of the musical is not a match made
in space. The book that he has is back to
the Future four is his book because he had a
series of books called back to the Future is the
nice little cherry on top.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
So it definitely nods to the fans who always wanted
it Back to the Future four. And I guess that's
the closest you ever got to get what.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Kind of a fan base was at the musical, Like
what kind of a crowd did they have?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
So that was what was kind of the most beautiful
thing about it was all kinds of folks, right, young, old.
But I saw a lot of dads and sons. And
there was this actually a dad and his son right
in front of me and my wife. And the break
comes for the intermission. The kid is just so enthralled
(12:54):
and he turns to his dad. He must be five
or six somewhere in there. He turns to his dad.
He goes, this is the coolest thing I've ever seen,
and his dad goes, I know, right, And they had
this beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Father son moment of bonding over this movie.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
And I'm and this musical, And I thought to myself,
how many times has this happened when somebody shows the
movie to their kid, like, this is the coolest thing.
And just in the way, Bond is like a father
son thing in my opinion, so is Back to the Future,
and it's a family thing. But really, if you show
this to I remember showing it to my nephews and
(13:27):
they're like, how have I never seen this movie before?
Because it has everything a kid would love about it,
whether it be the musical or the films. But also
when you watch it when you get older, you understand
the theme so much deeper than when I did when
I was watching it as a kid, Like even with
Lorraine and I know I'm getting off of the musical,
but just like even with Lorraine and her character and
(13:47):
being kind of this sad housewife who never really saw
her full potential, or George not ever standing up for himself.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
You know, when you're a kid, you can understand.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
That but as you get older, you really understand the
pathology of the characters, which also makes this film, i think,
also rewatchable. It makes this story not just film, makes
this story so entertaining and so rewatchable for people of
all generations. So you had everybody out there, and I'll
tell you what, I've never seen a busier merch stand.
I mean, this was like, they have these great Scott
(14:18):
hats and shirts and they were going like nWo shirts
in ninety eight, right, I mean they were crazy. The
Winter Garden Theater was pagged man and I'll tell you
it's just it was. As a longtime fan of the movies,
I was very skeptical of a musical. I was like, yeah,
is this thing going to be corny? Is it going
to be silly?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Is it going to be over the top? And yes
it is. It is silly. It is over the top.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
But it's also they really did a great job of
finding ways to incorporate the music from the original movie.
Because you got to think, you have Earth Angel, you
have Johnny be Good, you have back in Time, you.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Have power of Love.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Those songs, those are four songs that you can build
the back off of for your musical.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
You're actually a pretty good shape to have those four records.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
That's a great cal I forgot most ones that they
incorporate those, it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Oh yeah, So the power of Love rings out, Back
in Time rings out, and of course you have Earth
Angel and Johnny be Good and the Johnny be Good scene.
The actor who played Marty in the version, I saw
his gun in Casey likes and he crushes it, man,
he crushes it. When he walked out on the stage,
it felt like, you know, it felt like Freddy Freddie Mercury,
(15:25):
you know, back in the day. He just captivated this
whole audience. It was like Freddy and Live Aid. Man,
it was insane.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Did they write any additional songs for it, like it
was it like a Goldie Wilson solo or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
There is a Goldie Wilson, there's a there's a at
the beginning of the second act, there's this whole thing
of Doc Brown talking about what the twenty first century
is like, and of course there's the joke like don't
go to twenty twenty whatever you do. And then actually,
one of my favorite songs of the musical is when
Doc Brown, when Marty goes back to fifty five and
(15:58):
reveals to Doc Brown, hey, you invented this time machine.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
There's this whole musical number of it works.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I can't believe I invented something that works, and they
make a whole song out of dockgrounds, failed inventions and
finally making something that works.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I sometimes it's just as we were talking, I've never
thought about this before, but you mentioned how, you know,
going back.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
To see if your dad was cool in high school.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
It's funny because the reason why Marty is the way
he is, which is kind of a chip on his shoulder,
you know, go get her, is because his dad is
the exact opposite, and because Marty was kind of putting
the same categories, is that he rebelled against that. Then
he goes back in time and turns his dad into
what he is, which the next is dad successful.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
So it's very reciprocal.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Well, and the other interesting thing though, is there's always
been this debate.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
We talk about Back to Future being a perfect movie,
but there was a debate that Marty McFly's character never
had an arc in the film, like he's essentially the
same person at the beginning of the movie that he is.
At the end of the movie, they say, well, that's
in the sequels.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
They made him.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
You know, he didn't like being called chicken, and he
was a hothead, and that was how he's going to,
you know, have this character arc. But I talked to
Bob Gallen. We actually have a conversation about it in
the book that Marty actually does have this character change
in Back to the Future one because if you remember Jennifer,
his girlfriend tells him, you need to send this demo
tape into.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
The record company, right, and he goes, what if I'm
no good?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
What if they say no, which we hear George say
later when he's talking about his science fiction stories, what
if they say no?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
And there was actually a.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Bit in the script where you see Marty dropping his
demo tape into the mailbox. But because of George getting
over his fear of rejection by happenstance and kind of
the through the fabric of time, Marty also learns to get.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Over his fear of rejection.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
So there is a character arc in that first one,
and then they expanded obviously going forward. But you're absolutely right,
Marty was the influence on his dad to help his
dad stand up to the bad guy so that you
know he and have this fear of rejection that you
know Marty doesn't want to have it in it's confusing,
but you understand what I'm saying, and of course, and
it's it's one of those great parts of the movie.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, do we see Marty drop the demo tape the
mail We don't.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
We don't.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
But if you if you look in the movie, whenever
he wakes back up in the now New nineteen eighty five,
you can see a Manila envelope like on the kitchen
deesca there or the kitchen counter that you know they
were going to have him drop in the mailbox to
kind of show that payoff.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
So let's talk about this.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
You said that you talked to Bob Bob Gail, one
of the producers of the film.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
How did you end up talking when you interview him?
Just in general?
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Are you tracking down these influential people just for your
own personal knowledge or do you always flying into another book?
Speaker 3 (18:50):
So so, no, I wasn't. I wasn't planning to do
a new version of the book. But but what happens is,
you know, my with my day gig being on the
radio and in Houston, I'm a part of a of
a local television show where we interview you know, the
whomever is in the movie Junkins, the Matthew McConaughey is
the Tom Hanks, Kevin Costner's and you know, luckily, you
(19:11):
just find yourself like, hey, you want to talk to
Bob Gail. He's got a new book out about back
to the Future and dot it was called Doc Brown's
Workshop and and all this.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I was like, Yeah, I'd love to talk to Bob Gail.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And so now I'm like, I have this litany of
questions I want to go through and know all the
answers to and all the small little details of the movie.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And same with Chrispin Glover or Leah Thompson.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Or Christopher Lloyd. Christopher Lloyd was doing something for the
Discovery Channel about Back to the Future and they were like.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Hey, do you want to have him on and you.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Talk about back to the Future with Christopher Lloyd And
I'm like, no, I don't want that, of course, And
so why I started to have all these conversations And
then last year there was a there's a big comic
convention in Houston, every year called Comic Palooza and their
headliners were Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd Wow and yeah,
and so it was like a really awesome opportunity.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
And I got to go in there and actually meet
them in person and.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Not have them, not really share long conversations or anything,
but actually meeting them and actually seeing them live and
in living color. It did change kind of something for me, like, man,
you know, I feel like I have more to say
on this story. And that was the impetus last year
to go, you know what, Let's go back in the book.
Let's make this thing the quintessential version that I always
(20:20):
wanted it to be with more information.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
It's not just those guys. I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I talked to Claudia Wells who played the original, Jennifer Parker,
Don full of Love who played Mayor, Goldie Wilson, Harry
Waters Junior, who plays Marvin Barry, who sings the Earth
Angel song, you know, everybody I could, Jeffrey Weissman, who
actually took over for Crispin Glover and Back to the
Future two and three, and he was kind of the
actor they tried to make look like Crispin.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
And there was the whole.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Controversy of that, just getting everyone's insight on why they
think that this movie is these film franchise rather continues
to stand the test of time. So yeah, so talking
to Gale and all these guys it's talking to you
is crazy to me still talking to them as well,
like it's amazing where the you know, life takes you.
And to have these conversations and to you know, be
(21:06):
able to talk to the people who did it.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
And made it and and and.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
And brought it to life, especially Bob Gale, who this
whole thing was his idea.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
When uh Aw's first starting wins Madison Square Garden for
a Ranger game to kind of promote AW whatever New
York market or being on TVs, and Michael J. Fox
was there as well, just kind of a couple, you know,
sections down and they put on on their.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Michael J. Fox. People cheer and then it.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Said Chris Jericho wwe, so people cheer. I was like, gosh,
so the word got around. So then later on the
game put Chris Jericho a W So I got to
mentions in the garden.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Michael J. Fox only got one.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Sounds appropriate, sounds appropriate, you know.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
So I went over and talked to him for because
he's obviously the Canadian kids, small town kid as well,
and you know, a great guy. But let's let's talk
a little bit about some of these other people that
he spoke to and what kind of insight did you
get from from them? For example, you know Chrispin Glover,
First of all, why wasn't he in two and three?
And second of all, what kind of insight did you
(22:16):
get for him? Because we know he's notoriously eccentric.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
He's very eccentric, and well, the reason why he wasn't
in the other two films it kind of is one
of these he said, she said, situations like Crispin said,
he had some creative differences. The producers say, he wanted
too much money. You know, we couldn't agree on a
salary for him. Whatever the case might be. He didn't
end up being in it. But him choosing not to
(22:42):
return to the franchise is what changed Back to the
Future two and three because originally this movie was Back
to the Future one. The end of it was a joke.
It wasn't meant to set up a franchise. Oh, they
didn't really do that too much in the eighties, you know,
or we're gonna set up these long term stories and
we're gonna have one lead into the other. That wasn't
the idea at all. They thought this would be a
really great way to pay off, Like the end of
(23:03):
the movie is like a fun joke.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Oh, where are they going to next? I'll let your
mind figure it out. They're going to the future.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
So when they went back to everyone in the cast
and everyone said, yes, we'll do it, Yes, we'll do it, Yes,
we'll do it. And Chrispin was the only one that
kind of said, I'm not feeling that because he had
issues with the ending of Back to the Future Part one.
He thought that it was too materialistic and it gave
the wrong message that money equates success and success and
money equal happiness, and.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
That's not really what it should be.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
So we had some creative differences with, you know, the
way that the films were being I guess written or
what have you, and he didn't want to return to it.
So that's what made Bob Gale go, Okay, then we'll
just kill him off. We'll just kill George McFly. I mean,
that's the power of being a writer, right, We'll just
kill him off. And so that's why when they go
to the Biff Horrific period, the alternate nineteen eighty five
(23:49):
and Back to the Future Part two, that's why George
McFly is dead and you know, killed them, and that's
where the idea came from. But they had to get
this actor, Jeffrey Wiseman, who he really was in an
unenviable position.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Like you have to come in, you have to kind
of act like Crispin Glover.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
We're going to try to make people think that it's
Crispin Glover and not really you.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You know, we're gonna bill you, but we want people
to think it's Crispin.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
And they even edited in scenes from Back to the
Future Part one and Part two to kind.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Of continue that illusion.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
So he has a really fascinating story because he and
Crispin were friends before this. And you know then there
was a whole lawsuit the Crispin Glover filed because they
used his likeness and his life mask. And I know
you've been on a lot of films and I'm sure
they've done the life cast of your mask before to
do you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Now, I do it digitally. Back then they would do
it with you know, my.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Plaster or whatever it would be and the resident or
what have you.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
So they have this life mask, so they were able
to actually get prosthetics to put onto Jeffrey's face and
Crispin uh didn't take too kindly to that, so.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
You know, he followed the lawsuit and they settled out
of court.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
No one really knows the outcome of it, but that
was why he ended up not being in it. But
he is one of many people who ended up not
being in either the sequels or the originals because we
know Eric Stoltz was the original Marty McFly and they
shot with him for six to eight weeks, depending on
who you had.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Well, so Tom Wilson says, he was like, we were
at the point of the production where we're thinking, like, okay,
we're talking about what we have next, Like, hey, what
are you working on next? What you got lined up?
Along they were, they're wrapping up, and they were showing
the dailies to Roberts and Mechas was showing the dailies
to Steven Spielberg and was like, man, I just don't
(25:36):
feel like this is clicking the way that we wanted to.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
And the real issue was Eric Stolt's.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Great actor Obviously he's a really great actor has gone
on to have a good career for himself.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
But he was method, so he was Marty. Everyone called
him Marty.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
He acted like Marty on and off the set and
on and off takes, and they said he was playing
it too serious, like he.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Was acting as this this was actually happening to a kid.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
And if you think about it, if a teenager goes
back to the past, is stuck there and his mom
is starting to come on to him, you might not
have such a comedic reaction like.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Michael Michael did right exactly.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
You might have a little bit more worrisome about how
this is going to turn out. He's playing it so real.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
And they shot for six eight weeks and then Steven
Spielberg said, you're just not.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Getting the laughs that you want.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
What's unbelievable to just think about that for a second, Brad.
I mean, obviously you're you're in show business, but this
is this is a big time Hollywood blockbuster film that
after six to eight weeks, ay.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
They decided to pull the plug astart from Scratches.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
From a monetary standpoint, b that Spielberg has the power
to do that and see what did Eric Stoltz think
I don't want to take a gun and shoot Spielberg
for that?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I mean, And and the thing is, it was so
hard to find anything with Eric Stoltz his opinions on it.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I mean I could not.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I looked long and hard, every reddit board you can
think of, every article, going through newspaper archives. And then finally,
about six months ago, five or six months ago, a
clip from the Bob Costas Show Later, which was a
late night half hour talk show in the nineties. Eric
(27:16):
Stultz was on there promoting some off Broadway play.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
So it's very obscure, very obscure clip.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
And he happened to get asked about what he thought
about Back to the Future, and he seemed at the
time that he understood the reasoning, and he said it
was tough medicine to take, but it actually made him
a better actor because of it, which I think is
the most healthy way to look at it.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But he also said, like, it's the director's call, you know,
and you.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Know this from being on sets and being in wrestling
and stuff, like, Hey, it's not my show, your shows,
what do you want from me. I'll facilitate the best
way that I can, and he just wasn't able to
do it. He's so Eric Stultz gets replaced by Michael J.
Fox six weeks in, and Michael J. Fox was filming
Family Ties in the day and then coming to film
Back the Future at night, so this was round the clock.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
And then he ended up doing again for the sequels because.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Family Ties was still on during this time he was
shooting the sequels. And also Malaura Harden was cast as
the original Jennifer Parker when Eric Stultz was in the movie,
and then they had to fire her because she was
taller than Michael J.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Fox. So when they come back then they're like, oh,
we got to fire you because you're too tall.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
And it's not like they can have an apple box
or apple crate in every shot for when he's with
his girlfriend and make him look six' four or.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Whatever so they had to Fire Malaura harden from the.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Movie so there's like so many people who almost could
have been either in the movie or in the.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Sequels and not to mention then as we started going
down the food chain here all but everybody else has
to redo their scenes.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Again, well so that's What Christopher lloyd was so worried.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
About he was, LIKE i just threw EVERYTHING i had
into This Doc brown. Role and you notice his portrayal
of the character is this constantly in, crisis, huge very physical,
performance and you get to the six to eight week,
Mark you're, Thinking i'm good to.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Go i've shot all my, scenes and they're.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Like, no you got to redo them. All and thankfully
they were able to keep some. Coverages and if you
listen to him Or Tom wilson or some of the
people who had scenes With, eric they say, that like
When eric When biff gets punched and lose cafe in
nineteen fifty five From, marty they say that that's Actually
Eric stolt's punching.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Him not like there were some coverages that they kept in.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
There BUT i can't imagine having to go through an
entire production and then's restarting. IT i don't think it
would ever happen. Today there's no way that any studio
would be, like we spent two hundred million on This Iron,
man let's do it.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
AGAIN i just think from a budgetary stamperd there's no.
Way but it's just.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Interesting maybe forty years ago things ran, differently and then
once again the fact That spielberg had the power to
pull the plug at that.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Point, nowadays they'd be, like, hey tough, Luck we're in.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
It it's, good it's, fine it's, great don't worry about.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
It but you talk about peak of their.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
POWERS i, Mean spielberg would go on to, continue but
god Man Et Close Encounters jaws Means Indiana.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Jones he.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Was he doesn't say. Anything he. Was he was the
guy pretty much all of the. Eighties he was the.
Guy you Mentioned Tom, Wilson and.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
There's a great part in your book Why biff is
the greatest heel he, ever the the you, know the
the greatest cinematic villain.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Ever let's discuss that before you. Do have you ever seen?
Him that? Thing it's it's all over on TikTok and On.
Instagram he sings that song called the.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Question, yeah so stop asking me the. Question, yeah What's Chris?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Weever, LIKE i haven't talked to him forty. Years what
does a producer?
Speaker 3 (30:46):
DO i don't, Know, no, Great, yeah he's, great and
he's And biff is great in the. Movie and when
you think about, it AND i count him in the
book AND i think it's. Seven he's either seven OR
i think it's seven that it comes out to seven
different variations of The biff Character, biff, really, Yeah because
there's The biff we see in eighty, five then there's
(31:08):
Young biff in fifty, five and then there's the subservient
To george McFly biff in at the end of nineteen
or the end of the first movie in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Five then you see old Man.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Biff you See Biff, horrific which is the most Powerful
biff in the. World and then you Have griff the,
grandson and Then Bewford tannan the great. Grandfather so you
have seven versions of the same character, ESSENTIALLY i, mean
give or take The griff And beauford Mad Dog, tannon
but the same actor portraying seven variations of this essentially
(31:38):
same person and doing so really. Effortlessly AND i, say
in That Biff horrific, period.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Which we call the night the alternate nineteen eighty, five and.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
This is why he's running the casino and he's married
To lorraine and.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yes, yeah and he goes, back gives himself the almanac
and becomes the lucky man and the richest man in
the world or what have. You you, know when you
look at that scene where he's on the top of
this pleasure paradise and He's Keellen.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Marty you, know it's it's poetic.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Justice i'm gonna kill two mcflies with the same, gun,
right they couldn't match the bullet that killed your old.
Man and the way that he delivers it is so,
vicious like it's so real, though and you feel the
terror in. Him so this movie that's really light and
fun in a lot of, Ways Tom wilson And biff
(32:32):
find a way to really give us that ultimate bad
guy because you want nothing more than to him to
get his come up and at the end of the,
movies at the end of all three of the, movies
and he does so so well and to, me you
know this a heel can really start to become cool.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Where people like. Him so he's a, badass you.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Know and you you're a perfect example when you're that
eighth nine twenty ten run where you were wearing the
suits and the perfect diction and the long word and the.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Way that you portrayed that.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Character you made it to where there wasn't like a
redeeming quality to that version Of Chris.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Jericho we did not want to cheer for.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
You we wanted to see you get, beat especially in
that beautiful feudia With. Sean and so for, me when you,
Know hogan and those guys were doing THE, nWo they became.
Cool they became the coolest guys on the. Show LIKE i,
Know i've talked To booker before he. GOES i went
out AND i was the baby face AND i was getting,
booed you, know Got hall like he killed.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Me it was so.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Hard.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, so you, know so With, biff there's not a
point in any of these movies where you, go this guy's.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
AWESOME i WISH i Was Biff Darth. Vader you say
that guy's.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Awesome everyone Loved Darth, vader you, know and he even
gets redemp redemption at the end of the. Series but
WHEN i think of like great cinematic, villains And i'm
sure there's a longer list than Just.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Biff, tannon but there's just no redeeming qualities to.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Him and that's WHY i think he's just the perfect
heal and he does so in seven.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Variants you're and you're right BECAUSE i always say it's
a lot of us to make people hate you than
it is to make them like. You but then when
they start hating, it then they start liking. You and
all the great Villains Darth, Bateer Freddy, Krueger.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Hannibal, lecter, Whatever Schwarzeneger's.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Terminator, yeah if you, know by the second or third,
movie they're instantly babyfaces because they're just so, cool you,
Know And biff was never that's Because marty was always.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Cool but that's a great point that you.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Made imagine Being Thomas wilson in nineteen eighty four or
whatever getting this script Because i've never thought about.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
It not was he playing the?
Speaker 4 (34:34):
HILL i got to play this guy in three different, variations.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Like in one.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Movie, yeah in one movie and.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Once, Again i'm sure he did a lot of other,
stuff but it's not like we know any of. It
this could be if you said these are the only
three movies he ever, Made i'd be, like, yeah you're,
Right and what a great three movies to make for an.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Actor oh, YEAH i, mean and yes he did go
on to do other, things you. Know nowhere is the
one that comes to. Mind Christopher lloyd's in that one,
Too but but, yeah he's known for these, roles and
and he should be because he's so good at him
and the didn't even think about, this like it's not just,
Okay i'm gonna play this, guy you, know young and,
old and then a little bit different in eighty, Five
(35:14):
like his physicality, Changes, yeah in each of.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Them you, know when.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
He's in eighty, five he's a little bit, heavier he's.
Drinking you, know all you got for me McFly is light.
Beer you, know he's got kind of a beer, belly
and he's a little bit. Heaftier and then he's this young.
POWERHOUSE i, Mean FIfF was.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Huge he was.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Jacked he looked jack in fifty, five and then he's
got to come back and he's kind of got like
a little bit of a hump in his back and
various shoulders are, dropped and his performance is different because
he's subservient To. George oh oh, yes mister, McFly i
just put on the second coat.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Of wax right now to be able to.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Do that and to make it believable and pull it,
Off LIKE i Maybe i'm putting too much into, it
BUT i just feel like he's so good at.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
It and then to go do that for two more.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Movies, yeah he went on to voice a lot of
cartoons and that sort of a, thing just in case
anybody's looking to.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
See but uh, yeah, great great character.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Roleman once, again like you, said, pulling pulling the, bullet
using a gun to kill both the.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Flies that's something that THAT i.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Remember you, know BECAUSE i, think, yeah, Exactly BUT i
Watched back in The future probably on an annual, basis
two and three not as, much but they're both you,
know once, again they're not as good as, one but
they're Pretty you're you're talking about a real case for
one of the best trilogies, ever right up there with
the Original Star wars, trilogy in the in the Initial
(36:33):
Indiana jones trilogy as well.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Well AND i Called back to The future of pure
trilogy because you, know The Star Wars Kyle Walker saga
has nine. Movies The Indiana jones now we just got
the fifth, one was it a year or two? Ago
back to The future has been three, movies and that's
all it's ever, been and it's all it ever will.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Be AND i can't think of one that's as. Satisfying of,
course you can talk.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
About The Dark knight, trilogy but the third, one kind
of The Dark Knight, rises isn't like a favorite amongst
people you talk About godfather, Series Godfather part, three you,
KNOW i, mean, okay but you Know George hamilton is
the consol right, Now, OKAY i, guess so you, know.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
You know The omen trilogy from the.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Seventies omen three is kind of a shitty slasher, movie
like the third one is always the one that.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Suspects But back.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
To The teacher gets that, too. Though people don't want
the third one as.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Much but it's stronger as as a third part of
a series than.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
MOST i, mean you, know maybe Not return of The
jedi Or Holy, grail but it's still pretty damn.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Good it's.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Good and you know, What back to The future three
is like to, me more Like part one because It's
marty And. Doc they're stuck in the. Past, yeah no
obvious way to get back to the. Future they've got
to get inventive and then all these things end up,
happening Whereas back to The Future part two is fun and,
REALLY i don't Think i've ever seen a movie like
it in Your, cinophile so maybe you could tell, Me
(37:58):
BUT i don't remember a movie where half of the
movie they go back to the original movie and then
see it from different. Perspectives and reshoot all that and
make it feel Like zamecas at this time has to
be on a creative high because he's coming Off romancing The.
Son he's going Into back to The future, one then
he goes Into Roger, rabbit WHICH i can't imagine how
(38:20):
difficult of a technical challenge that was in nineteen eighty
seven eighty eight when that movie came, out and.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Then right into The back to The future.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Sequels and to have that idea of what if we
go back into the first movie is great because the
original script they weren't going to go back into the
nineteen fifty Five it was Actually marty goes to the.
Future he sees a holographic concert Of Huey lewis in the.
News there's all these kinds of small little, differences but
they do go with the. Almanac biff goes and becomes
(38:49):
the most powerful, man But marty actually goes back to
nineteen sixty seven instead of nineteen fifty, five And lorraine
is A vietnam, protester And marty gets locked up for
being a conscientious objector to the to the, war And biff.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Has, helping you, KNOW i, mean there's all. Kinds it's
very different from what we.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Read and then even in the alternate nineteen eighty, Five
marty and docc are having a fly away from police
helicopters and there's a grenade launcher getting you, know shot at,
them WHICH i guess is a recurring theme Of back
to The.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Future there's a lot of grenade launchers. RPGs but it
was so, different and it was.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
One it was gonna be one, sequel so they were
gonna have this one, huge sprawling epic that was going
to go from the future to the past and then
back to The western times all in one.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Movie and, then, uh.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
You, know the studio was, like this is a long,
script AND i don't think we need a four.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Hour follow up To back to The.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Future and that was when the idea, came, well we
can split into two movies and shoot him back to
back the way That superman. Did you, KNOW i think
they Shot superman one and two pretty much at the same.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Time they did the same thing with The Three musketeers.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Movies they did those at the same, time and that
was where we actually got two parts To back to
The future as opposed to just a big fi up.
Squel but, YEAH i Mean you can actually find the
original script Called paradox online and you can read where
they were gonna go with.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
It very, different and the Original back to The future was.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Different the first version of the script Is marty McFly
is a video pirate who's ripping off movies and filming
them and selling them on the black, market and he
ends up finding the secret to the flux capacitor is coca.
Cola he knocks them coca cola in the flux capacitor
and it, works and in the end of the movie
was gonna be they go to a nuclear test site
and the atom bomb goes off and the only way
(40:31):
that they the time machine was a. Refrigerator they're gonna
nuke the, fridge like what they ended up doing In.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Indiana. Jones, Jones, yeah of.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Course SO.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
I mean it's so vastly, different AND i guess that's
also what fascinates. Me and it's really going back to
the theme of the movie is that one Change marty
is a video pirate is instead of a rock and.
Roller it changes Who marty McFly. Is you, know it's a. Refrigerator,
No we're gonna change it into dolore and it changes
the whole live of this. MOVIE i, MEAN i can't
(41:02):
imagine wanting to get in my refrigerator to go to
nineteen fifty. Five but In houston they have The delarean
headquarters AND i will go there to see IF i
can go back to the future in a.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Dolor it's so amazing when you hear how these movies
come together and that sort of a, thing because once,
again yeah they wrote. It you, know it sounds like
something from a you, know a Roll roal dal really
really want a glass, elevator time, machine refrigerator and then
changing it to A, DeLorean which at the time was
(41:33):
like the most space age.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Car and it's like Fucking seamus from W. B i
had A. DELAREAN i THINK i told him the last
TIME i went to his. House it's.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Terrible it looks like A, YEAH i MEAN i used
to have a seventy Six valari and it looked like
A valarian with the doors that go. Up and to this,
DAY i, mean take this is not. POLITICAL i had
to test the way before it became. Political the one
TESLA i did not want was the was the doors
going because it looks like A delarey back in the
future And it just reminds me of this cheap ass
(42:03):
car That seamus.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Had, well you know what's funny is too you talk
about Those Booker booker tchers got the cyber, truck and
the cyber truck to me has A delorian vibe to
it with that stainless steel, outside and thankfully he got
it wrapped and it looks way.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Better but it looks.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Much cooler than the Actual DeLorean.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Does oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yeah i've seen some concept of an Electric DeLorean that
they're trying to. Make would it looks pretty cool and pretty,
badass but, YEAH i mean the car itself is not
a great, car but to make that changes. Big and
there was a studio exec at the time where they're
making the. Movies his name Is Sid, shinberg and he
actually had a lot of, suggestions which when you think
about studio, notes they're always. Horrible they like don't get
(42:43):
the creativeness of. It and they always had, like you,
know we want to make it. Commercial Seth rogan has
a great show out right now called The, studio which
makes me think of, this like they want to make
the Kool aid movie and things like, that like make.
Money so but he had like several great, ideas like
he changed the character Of, lorraine named Her.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Lorraine he Said lorrain sounds.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Better he Changed Professor brown To Doc brown as opposed
to a chimpanzee named. Shimp he, said you should make
it a dog And Callum. Einstein, like there are these
like really small. Things but he had one. Note it
was the worst note maybe in the history of studio.
Executives he, said the title back to The future is
a terrible.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Title it's a horrible. Title it makes no. SENSE i
don't like.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
It he, said the perfect name for this movie Is
spaceman From, pluto and that's what he wanted to. Name
the movie was based off the comic That Sherman peabody's
son has at The Twin Pines. Ranch it says space
zombies From. Pluto, Right he was, like we'll say space
zombies From pluto instead of him Being Darth vader from
(43:46):
the Planet, vulcan he can be A spaceman From pluto
and that will be the name of the. Movie that's
really catchy and it has the vibes of a FIFTIES.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
B, movie but it's, Great and they were, like are
you kidding?
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Me we can't name this Movie spaceman From, pluto and
thankfully they didn't get that note. In But Eli roth
did a movie Called The house with The clock In Its.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Walls, yeah and With Jack Black and.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
If you see there's a scene where there's a movie
Theater marquee and if you see playing on the, theater
It's spakesman From, pluto which is an allusion to the
terrible name That Sid sheinberg came up.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
With it reminds me of The Kevin smith when he
did a spoken word show and he was talking about
how originally he was tapped to Do Wild Wild west
starring Starring Will. Smith oh, yeah And John peters demand
that has a giant spider in, it and he's, like
this makes no sense of a giant.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Spider It's. WESTERN i want a giant.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Spider and he dropped out of the project and the
movie came out it actually had a giant spiders spider
and it's just, like, What, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
John peters would have run for, him but, YEAH i,
mean could have been a terrible name for a movie
and killed.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
It so there's so many small things that changed this movie's.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
OUTCOME i like another one of the chapters in the
book deals with all the deleted, scenes you guys go
right into it like, This this book is amazing if
you are a back to the, future you, know a ficionado,
nerd if you. Will guys talking about the benefits of
deleting the, scenes and there's.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
So much good.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
Stuff BECAUSE i have not seen the deleted, scenes but
as soon As i'm reading the things that got, deleted
like the peanut brittle, scene it's, like, oh, Yeah george
is mccle loves peanut, brittle but there's a scene deleted
that really explains the reason why he quote unquote loves peanut.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Brittle, YEAH i mean there's a scene where it, shows you,
know the neighbor from down the street has his little, Girl,
scout who's trying to sell peanut, brittle and he he
ends up strong Arming george into buying the entire lot
of it Because george is a. Pushover so they're really
trying to hit you over the head with he's a.
Pushover and there's a scene in the movie where you
see they're Watching The honeymooners and he's just pouring this
(45:41):
big box of peanut brittle into a bowl And marty's.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Looking at it, like oh My, god this is my.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Dad and it's because of the scene that we, saw
you know that we didn't get this scene this idiot like.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
He's just scarfing down on, it the peanut.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Briddle, Exactly and that's what.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Like, again there's so many of, those and we only
a few of them in the. Book but there's another
chapter where we talk about a deleted scene From back
to The Future part two Where biff as the old
man comes back after stealing The. Dolorean and he comes
back and in the movie you just see him sitting
there and it looks like he's been through a hard,
time LIKE i guess time travel takes it out on
(46:19):
an old. Man but in the deleted, scene he, Disappears
AND i, thought, man that would have been such a
great scene to leave in the movie because it shows
you something happened To biff in the, past like he
went and altered it and now he's, disappeared Like marty
was disappearing in the first. Movie and they let in
the cut all the way through the test screenings and
then test. Audiences they said they were too confused by,
(46:41):
it so they took it. Out but for, Me i'm, like,
wow this is a scene that shows you that even
though we know he goes on to become the richest
man in the world and Marries lorraine and all these,
things still it doesn't pay off for him all the
money in the. World something changes in his life where
he dies earlier than. Expected AND i, thought, man that
was such a scene you probably should have left in the.
(47:01):
Movie but who AM i to? Say but you, KNOW
i just think about these things too.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
Long but you characterize it as a near fatal flaw
to take it.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Out, yeah, why well because because to, me when taking
it out, again it doesn't, highlight in my, opinion the
seriousness of time travel because we're just Assuming biff goes
and he gives The almanac and now he's the richest
man in the. World so, yeah in twenty, fifteen he's
(47:29):
going to still be.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
The richest man in the.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
World but if you leave that in and he, disappears
we know that it doesn't pay off for. Him like
our heroes are going to figure it. Out and ACTUALLY i,
asked there's a guy Named Stephen. Clark he runs back
to the future dot Com AND i asked, him, like you,
know what Does bob think about? This you know, scene
we know why did they take it, Out and again
they said it was because it was. Confusing But bob's
(47:53):
explanation of Why biff Disappears Bob gail that, is is
That lorraine ends up shooting him in the. Nineties THAT'S
i don't know where he comes up with, that but
that's his. Idea lorraine shot him in the, nineties and
that's why we don't see him in twenty fifteen in
this alternate. Timeline but they're just things like. That just
to me that as a fan who probably spends way
more time analyzing this movie than the normal person, goes
(48:16):
you could have left that in it had been, Great
but obviously The bobs know, best and the movies were great,
anyway with or without these.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
SCENES i, mean you do raise a good, point because
that was kind of the, big you, know race against
time In back to The future Was marty starts getting
weak as his picture gets thinner and, thinner.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Faded more and.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
More we never see that, again and especially in part
two where anybody's you, know it would have been cool
to see kind of a minor character fade away and disappear.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Well because it reinforces the time level had real, consequences right, right, right,
right more so then and they try to do it
in three where the name of the ravine is.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Different it's not Shown Ash, ravine It's Clayton.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Ravine and Then glentree One pine mall lone pine mall. Right, yeah,
yeah like those, things and like they do it in small.
Ways but to, me that was like gonna be a
big exclamation point Of, wow this is how you know
this we're reinforcing for people who may not remember because you,
know in in the eighties it's not like you could
go stream back to the. Future right before back to
(49:18):
The future, too you had to either go rent the
pape or own it or what have, you and you,
know you couldn't maybe remember, That oh, wait what.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Was the what Was? Marty why was he? Disappearing i'm not?
Sure and to.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Me that was like kind of restating the consequences of time.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Travel have another great chapter in the book.
Speaker 4 (49:40):
Talking with the, music the power of love and, music
and we mentioned it kind of in the in The
broadway Play how The Music Comes in talk about the
music In back in The, future just how perfect it
is and you, know just HOW i don't know if
there's another movie that has a theme song that is
so intertwined with the.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Movie like you hear, song you think of the, movie
see the, movie you think of the, song.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
And especially the power Of love Because huey Lewis AGAIN
i think this is kind of a theme of this,
conversation is that all these guys seem to be at
the peak of their.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Powers right this is right after.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
Sports he's like one of the biggest acts in the,
world and they go to him and, say you, know
we want to have you write.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
A song for the. Movie and he's, THINKING i don't
know What i'm going to really. Do and when you
think about, it power Of love doesn't have anything to
do With.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
Time For, nothing has nothing to do with The, DeLorean
it doesn't really have anything to do With marty back
in time more so, obviously But power Of love is
the big song for the, movie and for some reason
it just. Works and it's also AND i agree with,
you where it's so intertwined with the. Movie but also
power Of love is a song that CAN i hear
(50:47):
it in. Commercials they had a in A deadpool And.
Wolverine there's a hole in this in the montage where
they're visiting the Different wolverines in different.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Timelines they're Playing power Of love during. It you, know it's.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Also a song that isn't our twiement back to The,
future but has a life of its. Own AND i
would venture to, SAY i, mean Maybe i'm, wrong but
it's got.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
To Be Huey lewis's biggest.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
RECORD i don't think there's a bigger song Than power
Of love For Huey lewis in my. Opinion and he
was the right guy at the right, time and it
was the right song in the right.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Movie and it's again why everything just seems to.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
Click so you Have zamecha's at the peak of his,
Powers MICHAEL. J, Fox Steven, Spielberg Christopher, Lloyd Huey, lewis
and they all came together to make it. Great and
then you have just classic fifty songs Like johnny Be
good Who Doesn't know that? Song Who Doesn't Love Earth?
Angel they're great songs to have in. Here and then
obviously the music With Alan, silvestrie one of the best
(51:46):
scores of all. Time he's up there to be With
John williams based just on this score, alone how recognizable
it is to this. Day But power Of Love Huey.
Lewis you couldn't have found any better than, that because,
again this is the where you're coming off actual f you,
know the huge synth pop.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
Stuff Even fletch has a kind of a synth. THING
i Think Faltimar, Herold faltemar's, again.
Speaker 3 (52:10):
Who did Those and it would have been very easy
just to have that and back to the. Future this
is the sound of the. Day we're gonna have this
kind of synth pop music in.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Here it's the. Eighties but they didn't do.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
That they went with a classic orchestral score and then
they went and got a rock and roller to give
them some, great great records for.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
This But, marty as a, rocker that's the party to.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
Rock AND i would almost, surmise once, AGAIN i don't
know a quarter as much about the future as you,
do BUT i would almost surmise that Huey uh submitted
back In time as the, song and then when.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
We just wrote this other, one it's pretty fucking.
Speaker 4 (52:47):
Cool you want to hear that one? Too, yeah, sure
back In time is, great but what about this?
Speaker 1 (52:52):
One the power of?
Speaker 4 (52:52):
Love like you, said it has nothing to do with,
it but it has everything to do with, it because
if you look at What back to The future is all.
About it's about the power of love going back in.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Time, uh you, know making the parents fall in love
with each.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
Other, yes and then you.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
Know and and and saving your best friend's, life you
know In Doc. Brown you, know it's just it's all.
Intertwined so it's it's one of those kind of happy.
Accidents i'd love to say That huey was a prognosticator
and went, no, no, no this this song really is about
the overall theme Of back in The.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
FUTURE i just think it's one of those things just
worked out.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Perfectly, yeah it was a killer.
Speaker 3 (53:29):
Record there's a killer, record and it fit in the
movie they put it, in and then, YEAH i think
at least one of those happy accidents where people can
draw the theme y and they apply it to it
as opposed to.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
The other way.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Around paul is, dead here's all the. Clues it's, like,
yeah here's the.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Clues, yeah we'll.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Take, it you.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
Know in The.
Speaker 4 (53:45):
Conspiracies, yeah and of course the classic moment that's That
huey actually is the guy to Tell marty that he
doesn't make it to the talent show because he's just
too damn.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
Loud he's just.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
Too damn loud, man and it's a great cameo for,
him and it's and it also kicks off you, know
they were going, to LIKE i, said have A Huey
lewis holographic concert in the original version Of back to
The Future part two. Script but then even when you
go to part, three you have another rock and roll icon,
group a band with D top you, Know Texas, royalty
and they fit right into The Old, west and they
(54:18):
have the record double back for the, soundtrack and, yeah
they were great, too you. Know and it it shows
you that this franchise also could tap into the power
of music, man And silvestri has gone on to do
so many great.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
Movies he, means he does all The avengers.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Films and he was, instrumental no pun intended with the
creation Of back to The future the musical and being a.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
Supervisor music supervisor on that whole.
Speaker 3 (54:43):
Production so the music is just as much BECAUSE i
can hear The back to The future theme and it
just gets, me gets me, hype, man it gets me
ready to.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Go, Yes and for those who leose. Enthusiasque Chris, hayes
the guitar, player is also one of the judges that Tell.
Speaker 4 (55:00):
Mary as we start to wind, out let's let's one
more quick musical note When marty goes back to.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Well, actually there's a great scene that.
Speaker 4 (55:13):
Was deleted talking about when when When george McFly has
been awake all, Night and that's what let's talk.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
ABOUT i was gonna ask you a questions about that,
scene but talk about the deleted scene.
Speaker 3 (55:24):
First, so, yeah in the deleted, scene this is Where
marty shows up In george's. House he's trying to Convince
lorraine to go back to go Ask lorraine to the
dance mid storte to ask, him.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
And george is just too. Afraid he's you, know two
in his.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
Head so he goes and pretends to be because he
Knows george love science, fiction he goes and pretends to
be an, alien WHICH i feel like is one of
the most like little like no one talks, about like
the fact That marty pretends to be an alien in this.
Movie but he goes in the sneaks into his house
and you, know wakes him up with The Van halen music,
(55:59):
play has a hair dryer in a radiation suit and
says He's Darth vader from the planet vulcan and he Chloroforms.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
George he chloroforms.
Speaker 3 (56:07):
Him and this is it's an extended scene where he
chloroforms him and knocks him. Out and that's Why george
oversleeps and doesn't make it to. School we thought it
was just because he didn't get any sleep because he
was afraid of this alien that came to visit. Him but,
no he was chloroformed By. Marty that that checks. Out you,
know Maybe marty the video.
Speaker 4 (56:27):
Pirate but, yeah but he also had a hair, dryer
which we don't know the reason, why but he had
packed one in his car earlier or.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
Something, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:36):
Exactly and and and it's one of the fun things
to when you like go through and you look at
the scenes and you read through them and even discuss,
them just figuring out like because like you, know sometimes those.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Least scenes they do help add a little bit.
Speaker 3 (56:49):
MORE i think that cutting this scene down the way
that they did for the movie and like kind of
killing the chloroform from it good.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
Idea like, overall same.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
Thing like one of the reasons they change it from
the refrigerator was because they didn't want a bunch of
kids getting locked in a refrigerator trying to go back in.
TIME i also, think LIKE i DON'T i think cutting
the chloroform is a good, Idea like you don't want
kids asking.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Their parents for chloroform For christmas so they can do
the down.
Speaker 4 (57:14):
Out the QUESTION i was gonna, ask is that actually
Van eddie Van halen playing because it's just it's just
loud streaming.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
Guitars so that's actually Van, Halen it's.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Van halen playing.
Speaker 3 (57:22):
It, yeah they got him to do this pacific piece
of music just for the, movie just for the, movie
and you, know and it. Worked you would think maybe
they would have gotten the Van halen record, itself but you,
know they had this piece of music and it. Does
if look going from fifty five to eighty, five obviously
music changes drastically because fifty, five you're just a year
removed from the debut Of, elvis and rock and roll
(57:44):
is still very country and blues. Heavy Johnny begod really
starts to kick it off and everything That Choked berry's
doing into making rock and roll a.
Speaker 2 (57:52):
Little bit more.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
Electric but going into eighty, five that's why it's the
great joke there in The enchantment under the, Scene chapman
of The seae dance Where marty rips this great guitar
solo and does The Pete townsend wind meal and all
the things it makes it and.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
Goes your kids are gonna love it because.
Speaker 3 (58:10):
Any to them to the fifty five, years this sounds
like alien, music which makes sense for Van.
Speaker 4 (58:16):
Halen, Well, brad once, again so much great stuff in.
Here and you mentioned earlier there will never be A
back to The future FOR i, mean obviously With michael's,
condition probably.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Can't but even if let's Say mike was.
Speaker 4 (58:30):
In great, health would you still think there would be
no number?
Speaker 3 (58:34):
Four so, LIKE i used to feel differently about. THIS
i used to be one of those diehard fans who, said,
look the trilogy's, perfect don't touch, it don't mess with,
it leave it. ALONE i have changed my mind in
recent years to where, like if they make a New
back to The future television, show BECAUSE i talked to
the guys From Cobra kai and they say they have
some great idea Or back to The FUTURE tv. Series
(58:55):
it's a perfect. Idea they wouldn't tell me what it.
WAS i tried to get it out of, them but
they thought it was. Great AND i Asked Bob. GAIL i, said, hey,
man the guys From Cobra kai have a great idea
For back to The.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
Future they want to pitch, you and he's, like, NO
i don't.
Speaker 3 (59:06):
Care these are the, movies but my mind has changed
on it to Where i'd be open to.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
It because the thing about.
Speaker 3 (59:12):
It is this The ghostbusters movie that came, out the
one the all female. CAST i think they call It
answer The, Call, Ghostbusters answer The. CALL i was open
to it when it came. OUT i was, like, look
if it's, great it's. Great if it, sucks it. Sucks
but if it, SUCKS i still have the Original ghostbusters.
FILM i went and saw it with a open. MIND
i thought it was kind of. TERRIBLE i didn't like
(59:33):
that version Of, ghostbusters but it didn't depreciate my love
for the original. Two and then they ended up making
subsequent movies THAT i think That The afterlife was pretty.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
Good the last, One Frozen, empire not so.
Speaker 3 (59:47):
MUCH i didn't really love, it but it still doesn't
take away from the eighty.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
Four Classic ghostbusters to.
Speaker 3 (59:51):
Me so if they make a New back to The
future movie AND i love, it that's more back to The.
Future but if they make a New back to The future,
movie and it. Sucks it's not going to take away
in my love the original.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Three So i'm open to.
Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
It But Bob gailee And Bob zamechas have both said
over our dead, bodies, like it's not going to ever.
Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Happen they just think there's there's no way you can
improve on.
Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
It it would be hard to improve on that.
Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Trilogy and ALSO i think that you, know if you
if you knock it out right and you just hit it,
perfect you, know why return to the well too many?
TIMES i Know universal calls them probably every other, Week, yeah,
hey can we do Another back to The future?
Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Thing can we do Another back to The? Future but
they just.
Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
That's my point kind of with The Star, wars you,
Know disney owning. IT i, mean some of it's, great
so it's not so, great but it just seems the
concept of That, DeLorean with the you, know with just that,
right there is enough to be, like there is so
much you could do with. This and obviously somewhere there's
(01:00:51):
a you, know A Kevin smith or A James gunn
or A Brad gilmour or somebody that's written the perfect.
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Script you gotta see, this AND i.
Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
Would think at some point they will sell it To
disney if they haven't, ALREADY i Mean Universal, STUDIOS i, know.
Whatever it just it's not EVEN i think we're so
we're so committed To doc And marty that there is
other people that can find This DeLorean in a flex
capacitor and you, know have some great stories from.
Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
IT i agree with, you And i'd be open to. It.
Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
NOW i like represent the minority of The back to
The future community who wanted to just remain as, is
which is.
Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
FUN i understand, that But i'm open to.
Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Stories BECAUSE i do think that it's completely. Endless it's
completely endless of what you can do and where you can.
Go And I'm i'm so interested to hear one day
what The Cobra kai guys think and how they could
adapt it for television because they did a phenomenal job
with The Karate kid and they obviously have a great
love for everything nineteen.
Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Eighty So i'd love to see.
Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
It and do do The bobs own? It the? Studios the, Studios, yeah,
gotcha they.
Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Have they have the rights to.
Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
It they have the rights to make the story again
if they want, to and they're just they're they're unrelenting on,
it and, look it's their. Decision it's it's totally their.
Decision you, know maybe one, day you, know they said
over their dead, bodies so you, know unfortunately one day
that that comes for, everybody and perhaps the family, goes,
hey you know WHAT i?
Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
Mean didn't they just didn't they just sell The James
bond franchise.
Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
They did The broccolis after sixty years, plus said we're
getting out of The bond. Business y'all do with it
what you, want which again is, like look are we
Got does that mean we're probably gonna get a lot
More James bond. Content, sure we're gonna get television, Jows
we're gonna have a Money Peer moneypenny.
Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Series i'm sure probably. Awesome, yeah it could be, awesome
it could. Suck i'm open to it either.
Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Way you, Know i'll watch it and IF i love,
it it's More, bond more back to the, Future, Like
i'm open to.
Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
It i'm not going to pre judge Something.
Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Felix, Lighter International.
Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Playboy i'd love that prestige television before, episode you, Know netflix.
Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Series last question for, You, brev is there a favorite
scene from any of the movies for you that that
still stands out to the stay for.
Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
You it's the silliest, one but it does stand out to.
Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Me it's right After marty wakes up in fifty five
and there's The Hope chess scene With, lorraine and then
they go down and they're having dinner and they're, saying
no one has two television, sets And marty gets up
real quick and, leaves and in The, grandfather you, know his,
Grandfather lorraine's dad, goes he's an.
Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Idiot it comes from. Upbringing his parents are probably idiots.
Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Too and for some, reason every TIME i watch that,
SCENE i tackle out loud BECAUSE i think it's such a,
funny funny piece of. Dialogue but that's like a personal.
Favorite but obviously you could choose anything from any of the.
Movies and in recent YEARS i find myself going to
part three the.
Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
MOST i really Love back to The Future part.
Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Three and WHEN i talk To Christopher, lloyd he said
that was his favorite Was back to.
Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
The Future part three of all of.
Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Them so there's SOMETHING i don't know if it's comes
on From texas and we Like western, right like The,
rodeo but, three there's a lot of great scenes in three.
Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
Two my favorite is when they go to the to
the cafe and Gold Goldie, wilson's you, know sweeping the
floors and it's, like what are you gonna be? Mayor he's, like, Yeah,
Maya i'm going to Be. Maya and then when they
land in nineteen the Mayor Goldie wilson so. Same BUT
i was just, like, Like marty gave him the idea
to be the mayor Of.
Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Hill marty gives the idea for him to be the.
Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Mayor he invents rock and roll and skateboarding all within a.
Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
WEEK i, mean come, on what more do you?
Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Want martin, replies the coolest character in cinematic.
Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
History So, brad great talking to, you. Man look forward
to whatever you have coming up. Next you're always walking
on the. Show always a fun. Chat And why We
Love back in The future is a great.
Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
READ i appreciate.
Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
That christy cheers. Man thanks
Popular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com