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Cruisin' down the
street.
I wonder where this road wouldlead.
So many possibilities.
Care to share what you think.
Oh, noon Dolls, what do you see?
Backroad Odyssey, in the darkof the Everglades, anything can
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happen.
Within the shadows of thecypress trees, when the sawgrass
rustles, the murky water stirsand a foul smell lingers, each
putrid breath could be your last, for the skunk ape knows its
land and punishes those thatintrude upon it.
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Welcome to Van Life Diaries.
I'm your host, noah, joined asalways by my dog and co-host,
noodles the Woodle.
If you've been with the show,welcome back.
If you're new here, welcome.
Thanks for traveling with ustoday In classic Van Life Diary
fashion.
The show will be relativelyunscripted, but equally as
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interesting, I assure you,because today we visit Skunk Ape
Headquarters deep in theFlorida Everglades in search of
answers to the followingperplexing questions who is the
Skunk Ape and why does its storymatter?
We'll be answering listenerquestions at the end of the
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episode, but for now let's diveright in.
Well, we're back, standingdirectly outside Skunk Ape
headquarters between EvergladesCity and Miami, florida.
I've been here a few years backfor my beer podcast when I
paired a beer with the act ofsearching for the skunk ape.
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Long-time listeners will haveheard also the wild story of my
first visit here, which I won'trepeat today because this time
is different.
We're going back today to fullyunderstand the story or reality
, depending on who you're askingof the Bigfoot of the South.
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We start with a simple questionwho or what is the skunk ape?
There's no maladies in my golfgame.
My golf game stinks, jackNicklaus.
I can assure you, mr Nicklaus,it does not stink as much as
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what we're about to talk about,the Florida skunk ape.
The first stinky winds of oursmelly friend go back centuries.
Seminal legend tells of afoul-smelling, physically
powerful and secretive creaturecalled Este Kipkaki, a name
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which roughly translates tofurry, tall man or hairy giant.
Whispers of such a creaturedon't stop there.
Throughout European occupationof the region, reports of a
mysterious ape-like creature arefound in Alabama, georgia and
Florida folklore, so much sothat Skunk Ape even makes it to
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print.
In 1818, local newspapers covercurious happenings in what is
now Avalanchicola Florida whatis now Avalanchicola Florida.
These reports center around aquote man-sized monkey who raids
food stores and stalksfishermen along the shores.
The food this man-monkey wantedis anyone's guess, but a
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consensus has been reachedroughly on its physical
appearance.
Consensus has been reachedroughly on its physical
appearance.
Looking at it now it stands ataround seven feet, must be 450
pounds at least or more.
Its coat is kind of a mattedreddish brown.
We're at the back of the SkunkApe headquarters.
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The front is a gift shop andwhere we're at serves as a small
museum.
Around me there's facts aboutthe skunk ape, various animals
in cages, a 24-foot python, andit's all in a relatively small
area.
It's kind of one of the mostunique places you can go to.
But the creme de la creme, thepièce de résistance, lies right
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in front of me now.
The piece de resistance liesright in front of me now.
Cryptozoology the study of andsearch for animals, and
especially legendary animalssuch as Sasquatch, usually in
order to evaluate thepossibility of their existence.
Merriam-webster's definition ofcryptozoology.
A plaque which lies abovePreserved Depictions of Apparent
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Skunk Ape Tracks reads thefollowing Local skunk ape expert
, dave Shealy was born andraised in the Everglades and can
trace his family's presence inthe area back to 1891.
He grew up hearing stories ofthe legendary creature and first
saw the elusive beast himselfin 1974.
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Well hunting in the swampsbehind their home with his older
brother Jack.
He was 10 years old.
Since that time, he hasdedicated his life to research
and public education of theFlorida skunk ape.
Over the course of hisfieldwork, he has captured the
creature both in photos andvideo, as well as collecting
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plaster casts of the skunk apefootprints.
I'm staring down at the plasterfootprint now.
It's big, obviously, but what'smost notable looking down at it
right now is in opposition toits more famous five-footed
northwestern cousin, the Bigfoot, what I'm looking at now only
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has four toes, not five.
The skunk ape only has fourtoes.
According to this and accordingto this local expert, there are
fewer than 10 skunk apesinhabiting the area spanning
from the Everglades to Key Largo.
And this brings me to my nextquestion.
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I'll try to quiet down a littlebit because I'm Okay.
What does it take to makesomebody a believer?
What's the conversion point?
Preserved tracks like I'mlooking at now, a photo, a video
do you have to see something totruly believe in it?
Personally, for me it wouldtake a lot to genuinely believe
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in something like this.
Just something to think about.
Okay, I'm gonna get out beforeI'm attacked.
I hope you find some value inthe idea that cryptids have
significance beyond whether ornot they physically exist, that
they are symbols of hope, thatour planet is capable of
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unlimited surprises, that theycan rally a spiraling town by
bestowing both an identity andan economy.
That they help preserve storiesfrom history that would
otherwise be lost.
Seen this way, cryptids aremore important culturally than
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scientifically, but the bestthing about cryptids for me is
that they're just a lot of fun.
Jw Ocker, author of the UnitedStates of Cryptids a tour of
American myths and monsters.
There may or may not be yetundiscovered creatures lurking
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in the wilds of America andbeyond.
I'm sure there are.
The Everglades may or may nothave a skunk ape wading through
its still waters.
Who am I to say?
I'm just a podcaster travelingwith my dog.
I do know this, though.
As Mr Auker just stated sobrilliantly.
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In my view, cryptids havesignificance beyond whether or
not they physically exist.
They preserve culture,revitalize economies, leave room
in this often mundane world forsome mystery mundane world for
some mystery.
And in a world that's largelyexplored, cryptids offer the
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notion that the world can stillbe wild.
Mystery can exist in a worldwhere the answers are always
provided.
It's a Google search away, andI read something on the Skunk
Ape Headquarters website thatreally struck me.
I want to share with you Quotethe majority of mainstream
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scientists have historicallydiscounted the existence of the
skunk ape, considering it to bethe result of folk rather than a
living animal.
End quote.
This, right here, hits at thecore of what I'm trying to say.
You can both acknowledge thereality of available information
and leave room for significancewhen it comes to cryptids Off
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the Skunk Ape.
You know the museum, the giftshop tours says on its webpage
that it's probably not real, butacknowledges too that it is fun
to think about.
It acknowledges that you canleave room for even the tiniest
possibility that we don't haveall the answers, and that's what
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makes Skunk Ape Headquartersworth going to.
With the Skunk Ape Headquartersonce again behind us Noodles and
I want to leave Skunk Apehopefuls with a bit of optimism.
The world at times can feellike a dark place.
It can be overwhelming, it'seasy to get caught up in the
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mundane, but places like this,like Skunk Ape Headquarters, and
the very notion that somethinglike these creatures could exist
possibly reminds me, and I hopereminds you, that life
shouldn't be taken so seriously.
We have to leave space, howevermuch you can, for a bit of
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mystery in the world.
We'll leave today saying thisBelieve a way.
Search for your skunk apes,dive for your Nessies.
Search the skies for yourMothman, why not?
I am a great admirer of mysteryand magic.
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Look at this life, all mysteryand magic, harry Houdini.
In the dark of the Everglades,anything can happen.
Within the shadow of thecypress trees, as the sawgrass
rustles in the wind and a foulsmell still lingers, cloaked in
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darkness lies a massivesomething and it disturbs the
water as it walks.
Its bright eyes are visible andthey track a moving van across
the horizon.
The dog and the man inside thattraveling van remain oblivious
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as they drive away from whateverthis is and the land that it
knows so well.
With all that said, let's getto listener questions.
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I saw your van on the highway.
Enjoy the show, thank you.
What do you listen to whiledriving?
Great question.
I drive a lot, so I listen to alot also, starting with
podcasts.
I mean I did an episode a bitago, but I listened to history
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podcasts a lot.
Comedy podcasts, comedy, bangbang.
The rest is history Dance.
Knows history hit anything onthe history hit channel?
Yeah, last podcast on the leftfor some true crime if I'm
feeling it.
But I also listened to audiobooks and there's an episode
that you can go back and I talkall about my favorite audio book
recommendations.
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So yeah, those two things.
But sometimes, sometimes I'lllisten to music and sing out,
and hopefully you didn't catchme when I was belting out some
show tunes.
Thanks for the question.
Do you ever take showers in yourvan?
Thanks for the question.
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Not necessarily, so I have thecapability to.
If it was really cold or wet,maybe I'd do that.
But I prefer to go to a planetfitness or if I'm out camping in
the desert or wildernesssomewhere, I'll just shower
outside.
Yeah, so I have a curtain andthat's what I'll usually do,
rather than do it inside becausethings get wet, then I have to
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to clean it all up and yeah, sothat's just what I prefer.
But you know, maybe one dayI'll get more into that.
How long does it take you tovisit a location?
So it depends on what locationI go to.
Sometimes it is half a day,sometimes it's a whole day,
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sometimes I'll stay for a coupleof days because I have to
record, do research, dophotography, look into it,
really get to know the story.
So yeah, it ranges depending onthe location.
Sometimes it literally is anhour and a half and, like I just
said, sometimes it's more.
It just depends.
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How do you avoid confirmationbias on the show?
Awesome, I answered somethingsimilar to this a couple weeks
ago a month ago, I'm not sure,but great, great question.
I love the question.
So one thing I really set outto do is to not go into an
episode with the idea of whatstory I'm trying to tell.
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These days you can Googleanything and tell a story.
Right, if I want to tell it acertain way, I'll just Google it
.
So I want to make sure I do notdo that.
So I'll Google both points ofview and go to the actual
location of the episode, see itfirsthand and form my opinion
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based on reading both points ofview and my own experience.
That way I'm not just trying tocraft a story out of nothing,
right, and you know, obviouslyI'll still have a point of view,
but I try my very best to haveit based in as much information
and to be as objectively trueabout what I'm saying as I can.
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So, yeah, that's kind of thepyramid which I build how I
research things with.
I love, love that question.
Thank you, it's Noah here.
Thank you for joining us on ourtravels.
Hope you find value in the show.
At least I hope you enjoyedyourself today when we're
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talking about the skunk ape.
One last thing I'd like to goover about the skunk ape,
actually, because van lifediaries are a little more
unscripted so things can fly by.
The skunk ape, more modernly, iskind of Florida's unofficial
mascot for wilderness and in theEverglades and it appears in
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roadside businesses andattractions, television
commercials, on signs.
Also, during the onset of theCOVID-19 pandemic I'm not sure
if you remember that one OneFlorida business used the skunk
ape as a way to kind of tellpeople how they should social
distance, stay away from theskunk ape.
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So it really is prevalent inmodern culture, as well as going
back to that newspaper in 1818and the seminal culture before
that.
So yeah, I just wanted to bringthat up.
It's very interesting, if youlike.
This episode specifically, wedid a Van Life Diaries on four
national park cryptids.
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That's an interesting one, andwe dove in Flathead Lake in
Montana to find Flessy, the lakemonster, there as well.
Those are two cryptid episodesand finally, thank you.
Thank you for listening Again,if you find value in the show,
share it with two of yourfriends.
It really helps.
Noodles and I continue to putthe work we'd like to into
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continuing the show and makingit better.
Be good to each other.
We're two next.