#36 | Laurie Daley - Backstage with Cooper & Matty Johns

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So look, I know you've got a bit of I
know you do a bit of radio stuff, just straight
into the bike, because what a lot of people do
is they look left to Matthew, right to me, and
then they're not projecting directly into the morning.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Not a drama.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
That's fine, you don't need We're going to we're going
to leave that in no performing people, we're already going
we're going we're going to leave that story and that
you told them.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
No, no for manly play be filthy. Even though he's
a desperate shout out to you, he knows he is
a lo was welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Mate, Thanks Mattie, Thanks coops.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
First Leap Pup be come as a surprise, Michael Clark,
your co hosts.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, came as a massive surprise, actually, Maddie on the program.
But he's got a lot going on.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, that's sports on and off of Big Sports Breakfast.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
So Big Sports Breakfast. Yeah, announced that he was stepping down.
He's got a lot on his plate, and he's a
man of many talents. He's a man of the world.
He's a guy that we've had great fun with and
the listener's got to see another side of him because

(01:18):
I think a lot of people always form opinions without
knowing someone. But when the people say he's materialistic, he's not.
But he likes sport, he likes hanging around having a
good time, loves having a laugh. But he's a busy man.
So obviously it came as a surprise, but we wish

(01:39):
him all the best.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Well what lost when he got appointed? Like you and
he were an unlikely pairing because of course he's touched on.
It's just totally different lifestyles. But it works, you bokes.
You know it sounded like you go on great.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah we did. And I didn't really know Michael that well,
and you know, at the start, sort of got a
form a relationship. So you try and work out how
that's going to develop, and then you start to have
conversations to see whether you connect it all. And then
once you do, you start to deal with a little
bit deeper in those relationships, and you start to hang

(02:15):
out and you start to talk to each other on
different levels about all different things. And I think that
was the bonus for me, is that yes, we could
relate to sport, possibly didn't relate to a lot of dating.
Dating and advice for dating.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
I'm curious about that.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, some popped up someone's doing on social media things
are doing the rounds where they will they'll get like
a sporting personality and they'll show their dating history from
the nineties And Michael Clark's come up the other day
dead sad, unbelievable, like it, come up with it, come
up with a vast majority of them.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
But I was just going, my mamma going to appear.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
I can't say that, Matthew.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Now I can surf professional one. For a long time.
She used to come to the charms that many have.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Well, talk about another college. Have you and Matthew, Have
you guys worked together before? We would have played together.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Right and played together room together.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
In lorry with clothes on you lots. Was a serial
nudas to walk around all the time.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Is that state of Origin or Australia?

Speaker 3 (03:31):
I think Origin it was.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
It was Origin and I think it might have been
Australia too.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
What it was in Australia, it was quite funny. Los
had a bad hamstring and they brought me in a
man to like treat her freedom. Well, I'll get to that.
Laurie was in doubt and I was to cover for
Lorry and then they we roomed together. So every morning
has that hamstr lae and you I don't know, mate,

(04:01):
he'd reckon off a hop in the warm, warm bath,
little help and I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
get in there.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Because that's what every hands to follow me. But they
told him. They did tell him to obviously be ready
to go if if there was a chance that he
was going to miss out, which I was a chance
of not being able to play. But Matt was a
chatter obviously and a guy that wanted to know as
much information as he possibly could. But I had to

(04:29):
tell him, mate, they want the information about the game,
not about what happened off the field. You don't about
where we're going out later tonight. Now, what was it
like growing up in camera and winning those comps? And
where'd you go out? What did you do?

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Made we bonded out the stories about Adam McDougal. I
was sharing some of the stories and you made these
can't be true. I said, they are every one of them.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Because you have always said you touched on it earlier,
that lots of you were quite a newice to a roommate.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Where does that come from? You just you just don't
wearing he was born nude, I think, yeah, you know what,
I really don't know, but I feel freer obviously, just
with no clothes on, and I do it around the
house and I get in trouble. But he's not now,
But I used to was.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
You and Cooper got a lot in common. I was
talking to Jack's girlfriend last night and I'd subject to
be talking to Jack Corn about Jim, but I said,
You've got no idea. I said to God, send having
you here, because Cooper literally would come back for an
off season and I reckon, Jack will test me to this,
turn him up. Cooper would walk around, I reckon eighty

(05:36):
percent of the time just completely nude.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
He would he would he was a born nudist. He'd
come back from in the off season. He'd come back
and basically treat the house like a resort.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
He'd put it.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
He'd wake up, no shower, straight into the road, and
he'd wear it all day long, maybe for days on end.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Turn him down, Yeah, sorry, we usually don't turn him
up very often, particularly what he has him put like that. No,
but I just find it fascinating because I'm similarized as
like the boys used to sort of attest when whoever
was obviously chosen the room with me, which was usually
like another places twentieth manye, or like the water boil

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or something. But yeah, I would always be nude always.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
I don't know what it was, but I reckon a
lot of it had to do when I first came
into grade, because you'd play the game and the boys
would be all naked, like naked, and they'd be sitting
around the dressing shed completely naked, just completely naked, having
a beer. And the journalist in those days used to
walk in and they'd walk in interview you on the seat,

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but they'd follow you to the shower as well, so
you'd be in the shower. You'd be so up. Then
you'd be doing it that you would be doing interviews
in the shower.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
So you'd be like not just an interview on a microphone,
you'd be filmed.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Camera, everything, and you'd be just considering that to be normal.
And then you'd walk back out and then to be
an another person that want to come in and you
just sit there and talk, sit.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
There nude, you're having a beer, haven't in the in
the nut and they be just going chatting away and
just answered, it was just it was given.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
It was. It was amazing when you look back now,
don't you, because you think that that couldn't happen now
there'll be so many rules and regulations in place, and at.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Least and cameras. They've got the cameras like inside the sheds,
you know, get post game and all of a sudden
there's blakes.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Believe in that there's that camera that sits in the
shed sort of pre and post game, and it's like
on that little swivel and they'll cut to it sometimes
and you'll see someone just about to get nude and
they have to instantly cut away.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
A couple of times they've actually caught.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Some of the boys, like the old Fellas in the
background and you can see that it's pretty bad.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Yeah yeah, interesting, yeah, yeah, things that really interest you.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
I find it more entertaining than the coverage, particularly the
nine coverage, as we were.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Sure, but when it's Dragons versus Tie is most definitely
In the last couple of years.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Have you and you and have done some post footy
stuff together. You're on that you were a regularly on
the show for a bit.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Loses Lock, Yeah, losses Lock. That was a beauty Mate.
We didn't have much success with that, but we had
a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Did you ever pick a bult a couple?

Speaker 2 (08:20):
There were? Well, I think we got two or three.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
You know.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
The funny thing is, Coops, this is we were out
one night, my wife and myself and another couple and
these young boyes came up to me, and my wife
just said, oh, well, they must be talking football. So
she's come over and said, oh, do you want to drink?
And I said, oh yeah, I'll get a be here.
And they said, oh, is this your wife? And I
said yeah, and they go, ah, we love losses Lock.

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And my wife goes, all right, losses Lock, what's losses Lock?
And she goes She's just going, what's this? You know?
He comes on the made John shar and he gives
us all this punning advice and she goes right, and
then then the boys gag. They had I don't think
they actually realized I'd played football before. They just assumed

(09:06):
that I worked for the TAB and I was giving
football advice. And then then they start to ask Michelle,
are you in the industry? And she goes, what industry?
And they go a sports betty and she goes, no,
why would I'll be in sports Betty, Well, you know
I was here. You know your partner, you know he's

(09:28):
right into it, and you know he appears on these
shows and talks about odds and football. So you must
analyze a lot of games and talk about what odds
are you know you'll put up. And I'm like, guys,
I don't actually set the prices. I'm just sort of
on the show delivering what they've given me. But these

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young guys were fascinated but actually.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Thought that I was the Jared Affy.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Represented it prices.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
But just before I can't wait for a pregame of
origin for you to come on with your losses.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Now, first try scorer, before we talk about the appointment
with a state of origin coaching again.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
As a player, was your first series eight nine under
Jack Gibson?

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, nineteen eighty nine. Yeah, and it didn't end well
and it was you're.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Playing against a great Queensland side.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
I remember that series well because I actually marked Mal
and I thought if I marked Mail, he'll take it
easy on me. He's my club captain. I play with him.
State of origin will be a breeze. So first game
was New South Wales's biggest ever loss, and Mal scored
the most ever points for Coinsland. I think in that

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game and the majority of them he ran straight over.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
The top of He thought the same thing, loss will
take it easier, and you did.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
And then I remember lining up for a kicker goal dead'
said in front twenty out hit the corner parks and
then I had a shoka, got selected in game two
and a game we got beaten and they dropped me
for game three, so I thought my origin career was
obviously over. But yeah, eighty nine under Jack Gibson. I

(11:16):
remember running out there at Lean Park just the noise,
the noise was deafening, and you looked around and then
you see Wally Lewis and you see your melmn Inger
and you're going, wow, is this for real? And you
thought you were ready but I knew do down.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
I wasn't think goalkicked. I remember I remember probably two
of the worst goalkicks in representative football history, and the
one against the French. My question was leading into the game,
were you ever tempted to say, nah, I won't take
the kick. And if you were the best kicker in
that team, who was the worst well, there was no.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
One else that's kicked. There was no one else in
that we were topoker back then. It was around the corner.
It was around the corner. And the previous week against
the Dogs, I was kicking for the Raiders. So I
was about the third or fourth choice goalkicker for the
Raiders because Gary Belcher was a kicker, Mail was a kicker,
and then they must have not been playing and I

(12:15):
was given the kicking responsibilities. So I kicked one from
the sideline about forty five out, and I kicked about
six or seven in that game, and just from all
over the place. And Jack Gibson was the case. So Jack,
gas mate, you're the goalkicker. And he used to call
me fresh. That's what his nickname was for me. Anyhow,
he goes fresh, you're kicking. Oh right, I don't know. Worries.

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And I said to him one day, I said, Jack,
why do you call me fresh? And he went as
a there's a car that goes past my house every
morning that sells seafood and it's got fresh daily fish.

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And I went right head, So you were fresh? Oh, no, worries,
not a problem with that. So it was very weird
and then he wanted me to actually place kick for
touch place kick for it was a thing. Yeah, And
then is that is that on sand or is that.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Just sort of so you used to just put a
dividenograph and I said.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I don't feel confident doing that Jack, and he goes, well,
I want you to practice it at training. So I
deliberately shanked one. Well that's what I told you after it.
Deliberately did it, but no, I just didn't feel comfortable
doing it. So we brushed it. And then when we
tapped the ball, we had to play it.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
That I remember that.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, so you didn't tap the ball as such, you
actually rolled it back just to play the ball.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
It was because Jack was always thought left to center,
and I reckon, he must have thought, we're going to
pull their pants down a little bit here, catch him
by surprise, put him off their gun. Unfortunately it didn't.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
And the other one that Jack was really big on
was regardless of where you were on the field, can
test the bomb just put it up so fifth tackle
if you were forty meters out from Marne line, thirty
meters after Mane line line, put it up and bring
it down on the halfway and can test it. That
was just no field position. Don't worry about film position.
It wasn't sort of big then field position. Jack was

(14:22):
all into the stats. Was it?

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Were you a part of This might have been earlier,
but like the kicking jewels and things like that and
state of.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Origin, yep, I was a part of the kicking jewel,
and that was another one. It was all about if
they want to try and bash you, well we'll try
and bash them. So that was the reasoning behind kicking
jewel just well not really. I think the idea behind
it was more to try and put them off their
game and unsettle them. They're not expecting it. But then

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you'd get into the jewel that who was going to
blink first? You know, we said we were going to
do it, now, we're going to do it back to here,
and it just went to and throwing and I think
at one stage there would have did done nine little bit.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, it's like the bow tie. Like I hate bow
ties and don't with purpose they sell, but yeah they
surp it. If everyone's gonna wear one, you may as
well just keep doing it, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (15:14):
In the well, No, I don't think that I don't
see the correlation in that reference at all, not at all.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
But what I will say is talking about.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Coaches thinking left of center. I don't know if you
remember this. Twenty and twenty three, Manly were playing Penrith
at Brookie Oval and we Seves come up with this,
Seeds come you know what, the method to this madness.
It actually made sense, but it was like, let's think
left of center. Penrith so good with their kick chase

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and all that. Dylan Edwards takes the last carry before
a kick, so they can have everybody in the kickchase line.
What we'll do is Dylan edwel will take it. He'll
be a bit tired. Ruben Garrick was playing fullback on
the day. Rubes, what you're going to do is you're
going to get it, run up to the line. Jason
Saab's on the right wing. You're just gonna kicked straight
down the field and Sarby's going to outrun them all
in score. And it worked at training, because of course

(16:06):
every move works for training, but there was a method behind.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Everyone sort of got on board.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Get out there, Gaz gets it, now's your time.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Sarby kicks it.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Little did they know Tillon Edwards is the fittest fullback
in the camp, which is the only thing they didn't
account for. He just strolled back, picked it up, found
Taruva and everybody was off side because they were in
front of the kicker, and they just went sixty meters
and scored.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
Well.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
I remember, I remember getting so convoluted that you guys
were making breaks and still kicking and everyone was going
what That just an example of how sometimes people will
take or players will take a little bit bit of
information to the MS de grip.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
I can.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Understand that because coaches think weirdly sometimes about what they
can do differently to upset the opposition. And I remember
in nineteen ninety Grand Final pen kick off, I get
the ball, so if Ricky or I got the ball,
we had to boot it. So that's the kickoff off,
the kickoff in the Grand Final. So I got it,
so I've had to put a kick down field like

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sort of didn't get hold of it. Put us under
pressure obviously first set of six, but the other one
he came up with sens he were playing every time,
he's playing Norse in the yard because I had the
cricket pitch. So he wanted us, if we were, you know,
thirty out forty meters on our side of the field,
to use the cricket pitch to our advantage. And we're like, oh,

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what do you mean he has, Well, I want you
to kick the ball along the ground and get the
full back to come towards the ball, so he's got
to dive on it. When he dives on it. We
want you to cricker pitch on the cricket pitch. And
that was the sort of little theory that he had,
and he reckons if you did it a couple of times,
he'd be a little bit wary of going down on

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the ball. And then once he started to come forward,
push forward because you thought you were going to kick
short a bit, then you kick long. And it's funny
how little things like that you did back then, but
you wouldn't be game enough to do it now.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Used to complate Newcastle and me and Joey. They used
to get me and Joey when we were just playing
twenty one to go in. We used to hose the
whole dressing room out. That's why you'd always walk in
another thing. One day, the first Crab were playing St.
George and they had Martin Fire and Richie Wolford on
neither wing. So they got us to go the day
before and just basically turn the ten meter corridors into
just a mud hoop, change the length of the goals

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or because you used to just be able to do that.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Well, I think they did that the Raiders did in Canberra.
They used to not so much the ground, but they
turned the hooters off. They would make sure the hooters
in the middle of the window weren't working in the
dressing ship and sold it to be child and they
make sure the hot water wasn't working. So you go
in there before the game, you know, and maybe have

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a yeah, get your hands wet, obviously weird, or jump
into shower. You know, someone likes like to have a shower,
and that before they aren't. There be no hot water
and it'd be cold, and then they'd be talking about
how cold it was and to take their mind off
the gather.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
The other one you used to do too. It was
just a little thing, but he used to work because
you know, you signed up to the game and your
stuff and you're really hungry and you blokes used to
put to create of flavored milk. Remember the green reck
just had Raiders' milk and it was green. I used
to look at the lime milk and just go, I
gotta have one, and it was just good tasting. It
was filthy. It was terrible.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
What about going back to Origin for a sec. Who
were some of the leaders you played within that side?
Because you spoke about playing against Wally and Mailburn. Who
was in the Blues side that the sort of real
leaders in it.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
The first team that I ever played in it was
Chris Mortimer. Ye, he was there. What a player to
play with, just protected you so well, you know, like
really had your back. One of the toughest players to
ever play. It was a news side as well because
Jack picked a lot of guys that were young.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
And he so he left out memory was an unusual song.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, he left out blokes like Blocker zero. They were
all playing not Origin, but playing for Australia, and at
the end of the series they didn't play Origin, but
Bozo picked them for Australia. But Mario made his debut,
Johnny Cartwright, Alan wig lydie MG. Yeah, there was a

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number of young blokes that got an opportunity to play,
so there wasn't a lot of experience in that vers side,
but Chris Morten was one of them. Mike O'Connor was, yeah,
let's see what it shows you how quickly like the
experience that you got and Ricky and Clydie got in between,
you know, that Origin series or during that time up

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until twelve months later.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
I put you in good stead because you both going
to win that incredible Grand Final, get more and more experience.
I remember nineteen ninety, you know, you moved to six
and you play that breakout game City Country with the
best player on the field by mild and you go
into State of Origin at that point, yourself, Ricky Bradley
Clyde at the core of the New South Wales side,

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that we'd go and have success for a long time.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, well that was the thing Mattie too. I think
that because I didn't really play well in that first series.
I was disappointed in how I played, and I always thought, jeez,
if I get another chance, I'll handle this a lot
better than what I did this time around. I think
I just took it for granted that I would be
able to play well at that level. But they taught

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me a listen, So I think that was a good
thing early on, but then we went back to the Raiders.
I think that helped inspire us to be better towards
the back end of the year because we knew we
had plenty of talent, but we just needed to work on,
you know, not being as brashes what we were off
the field, because you know, when you're young, you're having
a good time. You know, football sometimes become secondary because

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you're wanting to go out and you wanted to get
on the drink and have a good time.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
That was I'd imagine Canberra would be a lot like
how people talk about the Storm, where like not everyone's
from Melbourne, so they it's a very tight group and
you probably resort more to like social social drinking to
bond because I like that a camera.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, if everyone you know, because a lot of people
weren't from Cambra, so you go there and you mix well.
And if everyone's going out for coffee or one by
sound for coffee, twenty bokes a one by down for
a beer, two bokes down for a beer, ten to fifteen,
but brokes go so you have that real togetherness and
connection and I think that's one of the reasons why

(22:33):
they do have successful teams like Melbourne canbra during during
that period, but we also had the strong leaders there,
so you know, guys like Mail was such a big
influence Dean Lance, Gary Belchers, because if you were going
too far one way, they'd pull you aside and then
they'd sort of put it on you. Yeah, mate, put

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your head in, but they'd let you go to a
certain degree because I knew, you know, you want to
have a bit of fun. That was all cool, but
if you were going too far and taking advantage of that,
then they'd put you back into line pretty quickly. But
to get back to your point, Mattie, I think that
sort of helped inspire us. The fact that we didn't
sort of play well at original level got ourselves in

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an opportunity to win a Grand Final, which we did.
That gave us confidence and then we trained hard in
the end of the nine ninety preseason. Going into nine
ninety we trained as well as we've ever had, I
think myself. Clyde Lazo Ricky, I think that was the

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best year probably probably we ever had as a training
group because we understood then if we wanted to get
the best out of our career, this is the path
we had to go down. This is how we had
to train, and that that helped set us up for
the rest of our career.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
The Raiders were the first team you know, explained that
Cooper that really trained speed and power by you blokes,
and that's what really separated, Like you play camera and
they just like bash it, thus somewmuch stronger power lifting it.
In fact, to the point after won the Grand Final,
remember Soons, he brought out that training video, the Winning
Ways of Rugby League, and I remember as the Knights,

(24:15):
we sat down and watched this two hour documentary on
the Raiders training and how they trained and how they
were changing football.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Tim was before his time because you know how you
you know, you get your videos. You can go in
and get your analyzed and just cut to whatever you
want to look at straight away. So Tim would cut
tape on your performance on the weekend, and he do
that for every player. So he'd also voiceover on the video,
so it's a VHS. He'd hand it to you on

(24:44):
the Tuesday about your game and what you did, and
he'd also have a camera on two players that week
during that game, but you wouldn't know who it was.
And it's embarrassing when you get that tape, because you
can't believe the amount of walking that you actually do

(25:06):
during a game. So he don't have a look at that, mate,
and give me your feedback. So he do things like that,
and at times he would put it up on the
screen so he'd show so and you'd be embarrassed because
you're just waiting for it and you're just looking, and
you'd be gone, oh, jeez, I can't believe I was walking.
I didn't think I walked during a game, but when

(25:26):
you got the videotape, you actually realized, geez, you do
a lot more walking.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
I think it's the worst anxiety in the world, is
that where you go into a video session, you just
go like you see your name on the clips or something. Obviously,
back in those days when probably not everything is as
pleased because there's not they didn't have the technology. But
I remember, like when I first went into first game,
there was cameras everywhere, and I would make an error
or do something small, or walk for half a second

(25:54):
before I reacted. I remember the rest of the sess,
I'd be sitting there just going, jeez, I hope BELLI
doesn't pick that up. Up in video always would always
would have just BEJ. He'd always put CJ, question.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Mark w T S.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
And that's that's when you know you had a negative
clip because everything would just be like G for good.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
It was so simplified. But then you just knew you
could go through and see who had the ship clips
all the Oh, there's nothing worse when you know it's
coming and you deserve it. And he usually tipped you
up too. He'd pull you aside and so mate. Your
game on the weekend wasn't great. I got a few
clips in here, but you used to hate it the
later it was played, you know what I mean? Because

(26:35):
I would have rather walked into the meeting and the
first four clips were of me doing something wrong, you know,
and get it off and you can concentrate and watch
everyone else's and then start taking the piece out of there,
you know, and deflect. But when you know it's coming,
you're sitting there and I also reckon when you leave
the room, that's the last thing that people remember, it

(26:57):
is your clips. They're laughing and up and all that.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
What's the whole game? Sometimes? Remember it was they just
put the video in just right play and particularly when
you've done something stupid, the game on the line at
the seventy seventh minute, because you're sitting there through the
two hours to take and I'm telling you now, it
wasn't the age of player welfare. It was humiliation and embarrassment.
Wasn't they just go They'd pause and just turn to you,

(27:24):
just unload on you, then ask all the other players
what they thought of you, and then play on.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
I don't know whether it happened now, I'm assuming it would.
You'd be able to tell me, coops, but it matter you.
You would have come across this in your time. You've
always got one in the group that just wants to
ask a question and actually to make with the coach. Wrong, wrong,
And this is what I thought I was doing, and

(27:52):
I thought this was the correct decision for the team,
and the coach would explain, no, mate, no, no, no.
I don't know where you've got that from, but these
are the systems and principles we've had for the last
ten years.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
And they still keep arguing and everyone's shut up, shut up,
take your medicine, just cop it.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
And you just always had one, and you'd just be there, mate,
Just we want to get out of him.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
We're watching two hours of videote. When I used to
get put with Adrian Brank, a good bloke, archie playing
the center's nice to defend inside him. Every time he's
stuffed up, they go, Archie, what'll be you thinking there?
And every single time he's mad, he wasn't communicating on
the inside, and I'll be like, is that true? And
I go, look, I think I did you thought you did?

(28:39):
Or did you don't wan to throw him under the bus,
even though he's thrown me under the mate.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
It was just so I felt embarrassed for that part,
because they'd be there arguing and talking about it, and
even like players that were defending near them or heard them,
they'd be so, mate, that's a lie again, lying and
making that up. And then you get to a stage
where one of the senior players we just get mate,

(29:05):
shut up. Mate.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Cheese just used to do it.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Brandon Smith used to do it just like everybody knew
he was doing it to piss belli Ac off, so
he would genuinely know like I messed up there, but
he'd go, oh, I thought it was like, you know,
why did you take a why'd you take a dummy? Here?

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Cheese. Why did you give up your inside shoulder?

Speaker 1 (29:24):
And he go, oh, I just thought like the ball
kind of half left his hand, so I thought I
could slide up and he go, oh, well that's stupid, and.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Then he go yeah, and the marker inside me he
told me to go and he goes, well, that's not
in our system.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
And then he just kept just wouldn't. But everything he
said actually made sense.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
He justified in a way where Bellier could be up
there sort of thinking like, oh, you know, maybe you
go we'll just fucking just fucking don't take it.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Before we talk eventually were there about your appointment and
what's up in the next twelve months. But some of
the coaches just but you've had you've been cached point
o level, Gus Chensy, you're coached by Jack. As we
said for Jack Gibson, remember when we're coached by Tommy
tom rodonogues. How entertaining it was. Let's two at the time. Ever,
the defensive pattern that.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Was so good.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
So Tommy, I don't know whether he coached a lot
of the players before, but we were telling them about Tommy.
He's very special as a coach because you want to
play for him. He's just a guy that brings you
together and you just want to play play for him.
So we get to the training this day and we're
doing these defensive drills and the defense was just go

(30:35):
up and hit the pads. Tommy's just gone just go
and bash them, just bash them. Anyhow. We get down
the other end, I have to do on some ballwork
and the boys are going lis, we actually don't understand
what Tommy means with the defense, what the system is
going to do. I said, what do you mean? And
he goes, well, all he wants us to do is
just bash the just go up and smashing and smash him,

(30:58):
just bash him. I said, that's all right. I said,
what I'll do, I'll talk to Tommy tonight and by
tomorrow morning we'll have it all sorted. So I speak
to Tommy after the after the training says and I said, oh, Tommy,
he has what do you want? Dale's for any blake
that calls me Dales fresh, What do you want Dales?
I said, Oh, Tommy, the boys are a little bit

(31:20):
worry about the way we're going to defend. Heyes, what
do you mean? And I said, oh, I mate, some
players are coming from different systems, you know, went up
and out or up and InStyle the system under their coaches.
And he goes, tell me more about them. I said, well,
you know, I said, you know, most teams are sort
of just working on the principle they move forward some

(31:43):
while ever the balls on their inside, this is the
easiest way to explain it. Well, ever, the balls on
the inside they just stay square and once the ball
goes past them, I sort of start then to drift out.
Or you can have this up and in defense that
you would have played when you were playing at West
and New Town under under Warren, and you know, you
leave the winger and you just put pressure on the

(32:03):
on the players on the inside, you know, and you
just move up really quickly and stop them from shifting
the board. And he goes, I love them. I love them.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
I said, all right.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
I said, well, what do you want to do and
he said, I'll think about overnight. I said, so I
saw him a breakfast. I said, what do you think
about that defense, Tommy? He said, yeah, I got it, sweet,
he said, I know what we're doing. He said, I
let the boys call them over. I said, call them, mate,

(32:34):
and he'll just do it. When we get the training,
goes yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good good, good call does
so you get the training, boys. I had a yarnder
Dales last night and he told me, you're a little
bit concerned about our defense. He said, I had no concerns,
but I'll take it all on board. He said, so

(32:55):
you didn't want to go up and bash them, So
this is what we've decided to do. He said, We're
gonna go up, we're gonna go in, we're gonna go sliding,
and then we're gonna bash it.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
And we're gonna give it to him. What are the
time we're in the we're in the room once he
goes right, I'm gonna have this is ninety eight gone
to the deciding game. And Tommy goes right, everyone in
the room five thirty and when they're going to keep
their ass. So we're all sitting there at five point
thirty five forty five. Anyway, he comes rushing about twenty

(33:30):
minutes later, and I won't say what he said he
was up to anyway, but he gets there and he goes, oh,
oh jeez, what if another game plan? Oh no, what
have I done? He said, I know where it is
and pulled out like a smokes packet, opens it up
and gun, he's just going up like Chief's face guard.
Promise me, promise me, you're gonna bash them. Then goes

(33:50):
to Laza, promise me, promise me, you're going to smash them,
and goes right up. We're ready to go. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
There was another one. We said, oh, Tommy, can we
do a bit of video on a couple of plays video?
He said, don't worry about that. I'll bring some video in.
He comes in. It's got one of Alf's games from
the Broncos. Anyhow, he's playing all this stuff and he's
fast forward. Alf's doing all this wonderful stuff, and he said, well,

(34:20):
you're gonna bash him. He said, he's made of mine,
but we're gonna bash him. Were you just going to
get into lay out? We're gonna smash him. And then
we finished the video. He said right out the train
and one of the blokes goes, Tommy, that's good mate.
But Alf's not playing in this origin. He said, well
he might be there in game two.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
What about telling me coeps This morning in one of
the camps he brought he brought his assistant case.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
That would have been the country one. Yeah, the country,
the country.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
So in this countryside you've got blakes like you've got Ricky,
you know, you've got Loss, You've got Brett, Brett Mullins.
It was star started line up your city versus country.
It was the stepping stones of the state of origin.
And you got Laso chief and as you know, Laso,
big crinantankerous blake, like just stroller. I mean he's the
best front round in the world to just stroll around

(35:12):
train and just wouldn't say everyone was terrified of him,
Like we used to go down if you were if
you had to ruin with Laso, it was like just
fate worse than death. Just yeah, we just yeah, just
mean dog.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
It was just that was it. Anyway. So we're gonna
do a bit of ball ballwork. Anyway, Tommy's mate from
West mate fear to say Philly and and let's face
pretty ordering coach, right, So he goes, right, we're going
to do some more and he and he kicks it down,
ball goes to might have been to Joey or Ricky
and they just hand the ball to Lazzo. Lazzo strolls

(35:49):
up sort of goes band Yester pad just plays the ball.
Just whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Stop it right there, mate,
that's not how you play the ball. And I'm going
this is gonna be brilliant. I'll show you how to
play the ball. You get down, you swing your leg over.
He just stood up and as I just goes, god,

(36:13):
oh god.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yeah, what about ask both of you guys this, because
you've coached State of Origin already, but how did the
bonding nights back in back in the nineties, defer to
the bonding nights that you've had like that you've coached.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
They certainly have changed. I can remember Origin was three
nights of just getting on the drink and then you'd
come home and then the coach would say, yep, we
all sweet, we're all together, and if you're not, we're
going back out. And it was like, what do you mean.
He said, if you don't love each other, we're going

(36:50):
back out in the drink because we're going to love
each other before we go to battle. So same Blake's
in the end of the game, Yeah, we love each other.
Just to stop them from going everything, it.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Was the coach like the player just had to pull
the pin up. It's just not the way we prepare
it just be remember the one with the pub golf.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Oh, they had this game where you go around the rocks.
So you'd have all these pubs and you'd have to
have like two beers.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Each pub had a part.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
It was like you got to be past three three
beers and that was sort of a bonding session when
you first came in. It was they've set up this
course and if you got to fifteen under with the
with the schooners or the middies or whatever were drinking,
then you were the champion. That was the record that
you had to beat. But you had to have certain
amount of beers at each pub. But some bikes started

(37:40):
to in the end like go to the first part.
It was a part two the four or five beers
into trying to get under. Then they gave the next pub.
We had four or five. After about an hour and
a half they couldn't move.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
By Tibby wants Craig Salvatory was about like sixteen under
after four pubs and then just basically collapsed.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
He should have laughed, but it was just the way
thing it was.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Gus you like she stood the singing around the piano
at the end of the night. So gus to get
a run around, get a blake to play the piano.
Everyone just have sing alongs imagine now going right on,
Nathan run boys, Jerome Lewie, come on over here, boys,
Reese Robson, come on little link together up town girl.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Well that was the great Johnny ral.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
We went to the So John Rolls is like Australia
New Zealand's version a lot of ways of like a
Tom Jones type performer, cabaret performer and really theatrical. Go
into this bar anyway. John Rowles is playing there and
he spots the team and goes right and goes over
and has a bit of a chat to Laurie, gets

(38:53):
back on the mic front of all the crowd, goes, well,
everyone want to welcome the new South Wales Blues. And
I've been over there talking to the captain and a
great made of mind. Come on see it, mister Warren
Daily so good and everyone that's what they called me

(39:16):
now and the Warren lost. We've got here the origin
coach appointment this time around? How does it feel compared
to twenty fourteen?

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Very calm, obviously, very excited. Never thought that I would
have the opportunity to gain really excited about working with
a group of players that we have at our disposal.
I got some of the best players in the world
and what they were able to do last year was
something very special. They connected so well. That was a
thing that stood out to me. Madge was terrific. Really

(39:53):
got the state on board, which I think was very
impressive and something that the players felt personally this time around.
Eager to get started. No, it will be a lot better. No,
there's a lot more in this team, and I know
that the coaching group, the coaching staff, the setup that

(40:14):
we've got is very excited and get the best out in.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Because you coach five series, I asked Koopy yessy, So
how many do you think, Lori kachh You went two,
I went I thought three and up being five.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yeah, five yeah, And we were doing a forty percent
win rate against a state of origin Queensland side that
was it was one of the best site dominant and
one of the best arguably.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
The best origin side in history. In a team and
this is not being unfair, but in a team in
those five years, you didn't have any settled half combination
at all.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
No, No, we didn't, and it was something that we
always found a challenge was to get that right spine together.
And in two thousand and fourteen when we won, Jared
Ham was the best player in the game. He was
the best player in the game. And then after that
series he decided to go and go to another challenge

(41:12):
and play in the NFL, so we lost that key
player that was so brilliant for us in that series.
The other thing about State of Origin small margins. There's
not much between both sides. And I know that. You know,
we didn't have the great ratio of wins when it

(41:35):
comes to series wins, but there was four games that
was decided by less than seven points in total. Yeah,
so that's a small margin. So that's a game like
losing by one, losing by two, and that happened in
four games. So there's not much between and if you
get a bit of luck, things can work.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
And the players that won those games for him, the
Cameron Smith first with Cooper Crime.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
You look at the spine. Those spines they contain you
know people, you know, I mean Slater, You've got English occasion,
we go back there. You've got Dally try Evans, you've
got Jonathan Thurston. You've got Cooper Currunk coming through the ranks.
You've got Cameron Smith. That series you won from memory
with the Harvest combination, Trent Hodginson and Josh Ran Yeah,

(42:21):
you know that's that's like, that's a great coaching achievement
to beat that, to beat that Queensland side with the
spine we had. Yeah, and those two guys were terrific,
and we obviously got a little bit of criticism when
we first selected those guys, and one thing I really
wanted to do was to be able to have the

(42:43):
players trust them that under pressure, they could deliver.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
So one thing that we decided to do in that
series was to get them from the get go to
run our attacking meetings, so make sure that they were
well prepared going into those go through them with the
video and the style we wanted to play. But instead
of me getting up and presenting, I got them up
to present because I knew that the players in the

(43:09):
group needed to trust them and believe in them. And
obviously they grew as the series went on and grew
with every session, and I reckon that brought the best
out in them, but it also brought the best out
of the players in terms of believing. So the leaders
like gal Luki Lewis, all those experienced guys were comfortable

(43:32):
in the knowledge that, hey, if things go wrong out here,
these two will get us back on track. And we
didn't have a game plan as such that we were
going to be expansive with the football and we weren't
going to try and outscore Queensland. But one thing we
didn't want to do was be outworked. And that was
our mancha throughout that whole series was if we're going

(43:55):
to get beaten, we'll get beaten by a better team,
but it won't be on effort. It could be on talent,
but one thing is we're not going to get out worked,
and that's what we did. Well.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
What I've seen was I was going to ask you
the question the toll it takes on coaches, state of origin,
and one pattern I've soon emerges a coach. I think
the toll. You start to see the toll on a
coach by the third year. That's sort of what I've
seen a couple of examples that, like you're seeing it

(44:25):
with Freddie. You know, first couple of series, everything is
sort of like third series, you even seen sort of
with Billy. We're first couple of series and then the
third series last year you see a couple of magic
comments got under his skin and he was just more irritable.
But I've seen it years gone by, when when coach,
when Gus was coaching, and so on and so forth.
It just seems by the time that third series comes around,

(44:48):
you start to see a serious toll on the with
the pressure.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yeah, that's a fair point, Mattie, And I think it's
all consuming state of origin. You can't get away from it,
like everyone wants to talk to you about it. The
only place you'd probably find solace is at home. But
even then, you know, if the kids friends come around, they're.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Asking your questions, Well you are sole neighbors. Yeah, I've
got one of them, I've got twenty.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
But yeah, it does. And everyone takes a position of
state of origin. So regardless of whether you're New South
Wales or a Queenslander. You might be living in w A,
you might be living in Victoria. But everyone watches state
of Origin, and everyone has a position either New South
Wales or they hate New South Wales or love Queensland.
And every media outlet wants to cover it, so you

(45:41):
can't get away from it.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
It's criticized, it's so highly Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
And every decision that you make is scrutinized, and that's fair,
but it seems like there's more and more of it,
and you've got to try and shield yourself from that
so you don't get influenced by a lot of the
things that are being said. You've got to stick to
what you know works. You've got to stick to the

(46:06):
people that you trust, and that's your assistance and advisors,
and believe in the path that you've you're going down
and the path that you've set, because I think we've
all been there when you when you start chopping and
changing and you're inconsistent with your messaging, the playing group
pick it up straight away and they start to doubt you.

(46:29):
So you've got to be careful that you believe in
what you're doing. You stick to the process of how
you want to go about it and follow that through
because and and a lot of the time your gut
tells you to do that, but sometimes you might be
swayed to go in another direction. And what I found
as a coach, if I've ever been swayed to go

(46:50):
in another direction and it doesn't work. I'm filthy with myself.
Filthy with myself.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
I imagine sometimes Laurie, with selections in particular, you sit
there and you go you have to probably discipline yourself
to say, I am going to pick the person who
I think is going to be best for this team
and how I want to play, compared to the player
who will who will receive less criticism in selecting.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah, and I think that's that's so true, Mattie. I
think that you have a system in mind, and you
have a style of player that you want to see
playing that game. I think a big one though too.
And and I watch what New South Wales did last year.
They did pick players that were informed. And I know

(47:39):
that we've always had this pick and thick, pick and
stick theory, and sometimes we tend to pick those players.
But I think you've got to go with people that
are that are that are playing well and.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
And particularly coming off losing series. Oftentimes we've had that
pick and stick while we're changing the side, so because
we've lost three series in a row.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
But even you know yourself when you're a player and
you know you might be playing with one of the
best players in the world. But they've had a month
of playing poor footy.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
You know that.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
As a teammate, you're like, oh, he's out of form.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
If you get a player, you.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Know who might be a big name, but you pick
him because people are scrutinizing that selection. The players in
camp feel that too, They're like, oh, you know, he's
not really playing that, he's not in good fa No.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
So I think that's one one thing that I will
do his pick players on a form, but also pick
players that I know will play the way we want
to play. They'll suit our style. Now I don't know
whether that will cause drama or not, but one thing
I will do is I'll pick players that deserve to

(48:43):
be there.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Well, it's so different this series. Well yeah, this series
which will come up in a few months time, six
months compared to like twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, and they're serious.
And the fact that if we talk about the halves
that you know, the steering wheel for the team, oftentimes
you were going, right, who we're going to pick here,
you know, because it was slim, slim pickings. You know,

(49:06):
we didn't have a lot of harms here this year.
By the time state of origin comes around. The three
best players in the competition could very well be Jerome Lewai,
Nathan Cleary and Mitchell Moses. I mean, that's that's a
big decision.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
It will be because I think what Mitch showed everyone
last year was that he belongs on that stage. And
we all know how well Nathan is, what he's produced
over the last four or five years. And then Jerome,
who's a specialist six, possibly will be playing seven for
the Tigers this year and what role he'll play there.

(49:43):
But I thought he was enormous in Game three for
New South Wales. So if all those players are fit,
it'll be a hard selection to have. But I know
I'd rather have that problem, of course, than a problem
of Jews who are going to play as a seven.
They all have different strengths and they all have different abilities,

(50:08):
and Nathan obviously wasn't there last year, but I was
very impressed with how Mitch took control of the game
and he was able to have an impacted key moments.
And I think I always speak about a true origin
game comes down to the last twenty minutes. That's that's
a true origin game. The games where you get blown

(50:28):
away or you know whatever. That to me, that's not
an origin game because you've got to go in there
thinking that it's going to come down the last moment
and anything else happens before that. Okay, but you've got
to have some bullets to fire at the end of
the game as a key position player.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
And he had that line, Oh, that's just something lost.
Can you coach that? Can you give someone that belief?
Just something inside of it? I remember Chief in nineteen
ninety two, ninety actually it was nineteen ninety four. You
had beaten Queensland in Sydney in a really tight game,
just got to try late. And I remember the next
day we went to Sizzler, because that's what winners. You

(51:07):
went to Sizzler to take a part state of Origin.
And there was myself and Adam Muir and Chief was there,
and the Chief had played on the game the night
before and we're talking and you know, I said, were
confident in those closing stage? Was really really, really tight?
And he said, I was confident because we had Lorry.
So like, what was it inside ut laws? When the

(51:31):
game was really tight? Important game, you're the skipper and
they need something.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Sort of an amazing madio. You guys would all have
had it as well. I never ever thought I was
beat mhm never never, never once do you go right
here in a in a tight gu So I just
paused this.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
You just said that you thought Cooper had that feeling
they'd never been beat. That's that's hilarious. That one up.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Completely true. In a tight game, you never think you're
going to get raped because you always believe that you
can do the impossible and and as a player, that's
what you want. And that's what a big game player
is to me, is that when the game is there
to be won, you're not afraid to go and chase it.
You know, there's there's some people that might be afraid

(52:23):
because they're worried about what the outcome may be, whereas
if if you're a real go getter and and you're
confident in your own ability, you'll go give it to me.
I want the ball. I know, I know I can
do something here. And you look around the competition and

(52:43):
there's there's there's players like that, and it's a great
trait to have. And you know, you always talk about, yeah,
the greatest sportsman of all time or one of them,
you know, Michael Jordan you know, like he just wanted
the ball in his hand the death. You're not always
going to get it right and you're not always going
to win, but that's the mindset you have.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Let's remember we had a quote where he said I
probably missed more than I got the game on the
line oftentimes. He said, you know, but I wanted the ball,
which you know, we go back to that predicament. Just said, like,
Mitchell's really owned the big moments. And then you've got
Nathan who I don't know any player in I'll be honest,
I don't know any player in rugby league history that
has remained so calm and so cool in the closing

(53:27):
stages of the game, chasing points in big games.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
We had him on the podcast last year and we
were talking about this was just after the Broncos Grand Final,
and you talk about a player who just wanted the
ball in his hands that final moment when he got
it on the short side and scored the try under
the post. We come back against the grain, scored under
the post. He was like, I wanted the one before,
but Mitch Kenny hit short and I got it. I

(53:51):
still sort of thought something was on the next play
and then I looked up last minute and they had
an ex it was four on three. They had an
extra man on us. But I just thought, I'll screw it.
I'll just give it a crack. Any I just wanted
in my hands. And obviously players like that just create
their own luck like that, just by.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Wanting the ball in those moments. Yeah, you're one hundred
percent right. And it's funny about you know when you
watch video and you do video, like a lot of
people don't do a lot, and they can't sort of
remember what the coaches showed them and at the seventy
fifth minute, remember what the coach has spoken about. So

(54:27):
like little things for a half, like if you're going
down a short side and you see a big man
on a short side, like a wider short side, and
he's defending it, you know three or a four As
a as a half, that's something that you look out for.
And if you've watched them under fatigue and you know

(54:51):
they're a bit tired, where you know that at some
stage they aren't going to be as alert or as
agile as what the proble a defender should have been.
So as as a half playing, I was always taught
and you would have been there. If you've seen that, Yeah,
it out of whack, so to speak. The edge of
defense will have a shot at it, have a gal at.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
It's funny.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Don't just sit back and watch it. You see it. React.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
It's funny. Like there's a player in the game now,
like top liner, you know, and he's proven himself the
top level when he was first coming through the grade.
So they got me a little bit of work with him,
and he came from a different position into the halves
and he was having enormous anxiety. Was like I got
to count numbers and I gotta do this. And I
remember thinking to myself made this place is just a

(55:38):
great instinctive player, And I just said, look, here's the thing.
Just position yourself if in your if you get a
little bit of a gap field, that should call the ball.
You've played so much football, you've got such great instincts
that even though you might not recognize the equation, it's there.
So just call the ball. You know, you get players
like that.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Yeah, I totally agree, and I reckon that's something that
I picked up on early is and that was just
from coaching, but also people continually telling you that if
you see something, react and do it. Just go with
your gut. But it's amazing when you think like that.
If I saw a front rower defending it at three

(56:20):
on a short side, I reckon most times when I've
seen that, I've seen him two minutes before, walking somewhere, yes,
and being lazy and tired. It just comes back to me, Mate,
he's in the wrong spot, he's tired. I've got him.
But that was the mentality that you had.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
And I reckon a lot of that sitting in a
subconscious a little bit at some start of the game.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
That just sits there and you don't know how to
teach it, but I just know that that's what was happening.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
It just to frustrate me a little bit, like with Joey,
because there were certain things that were just part of
him that that he would just do freakish things. And
you go, had you how did you do it? And
you want, you know, you're looking for some wanted to
give you a black and white answer or almost some
equation of this is why.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
I did it.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
I remember we're playing the Dragon Dragons one day in
ninety ninety six games on the line. We're down by
a fraction and Joey just calls the ball and just
runs and goes bang, beats David Barnehill sorry Barney on
the left foot, and went through score this amazing try.
And after the game they were analyzing he did this

(57:24):
and obviously saw that, and I said, what was it?
And he went, I don't know. I just looked up
and he looked a bit tight.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
You know, it's so easy to overcomplicate it is, but
I reckon Joey would have seen him a few minutes earlier,
whether it be hands on the hips looking tired, and
he's just found him. And that was the first trigger
to suggest, Hey, I think I can beat him. There,
I think I can get him.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Will Chambers said, he said about Jonathan Thurston one time,
he was like, he was like John O would be
so like he wouldn't really talk a lot in terms
of structure and stuff. He built his whole game just
about identifying people on pure fatigue. And he was like
he would just he would just be sort of watching
and just see someone sort of half stumble or hands

(58:13):
on hips or hands on head trying to suck him in.
And he said he knew he'd have them every time,
sort of catch him on the out and then just
get them getting sideways, makes a little line breaks like that.
Some of those players just it's almost like it's not coaching.
It's just like they're just so observant in identifying fatigue
in different players.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
And that's a hard thing to have to because when
you're trying to run a footy team, yes, trying to
people are running at you. You've got to tackle, and
you've got to think about a million different things that
to specifically notice that when the game's on the line
or when a big moment is requiet that to me, his.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Talent, two different type, two different parts of the brain.
You got one who's done that sort of holistic approach
and pushing everyone around, and the other's got that micro
focus and the ability to do both. Pretty remarkable to be.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Talking to, to communicate to your team and then also
just be like see something and then almost scrap everything
you've just communicated.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Zero.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
That's where Ricky was really good. Yeah, Yeah, Ricky was
outstanding it being able to communicate both with his teammates and.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Yeah, I'm still going to I'm still going to therapy
some of these he said. It was clever. He used
to call when we first come to the grade. He
called me Andrew and wrote this, he calmly Andrew and
Joey Matthew right. I remember once we're going towards the
end of the game and I walked past him and

(59:38):
I said, made very very clever getting our names wrong.
And he goes, He goes, I really don't know who you.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Didn't didn't He used to stand on one of your
like on your hand or something as you're about to
feed the scrap.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Just bumpy and things like that. Yeah, putty, like you
got to play the ball and you just step on
your hands.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
And his big one was like you'd get at marker
and if the player playing the ball to push him,
hold his hands up floor. Sorry, but as he chased
from marker he dropped his hand out and like that
at marker and then go to take off and as

(01:00:19):
he take off and in videos you used to see
you see the blake playing the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
I remember that grow Pegger. But I remember Mark Lanville
trivic player. Mark Lanvill played lock for Newcastle for years
and years one a Grand final with him should have
played Rep football. But anyway, when Ali ma and Man
coached the Knights, I think it might have been nineteen
ninety nine, ninety. They got there before the game. They're

(01:00:50):
playing bal Maine Big game. They got Blocker, They've got
zero and all that, and Macca was very very good.
You watch him do a motivational speech with the players
and mate, he'd just get them up, and he was
in go and made Wayne Pearce come on, get into him, mate.
Soon and there's the challenge blocker. Blocker, you know he's
going to have a go at you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
You know it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
He idea ideas, come on, get in his face, give
it back, and I can see the players yep. So
first couple of minutes of the game, Mark Level goes out,
puts his hand on the ground and Blocker just stands
on his hand and MG gets up and looks at him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
And.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
I think Blocker says something to MG, and MG goes,
what are you going to do about it? MG? And
as Blocker was going away, he just hits him with
the left hand right Literally, MG woke up. I reckon
twenty minutes later in the sheds. It was just the
most glance and blow.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
It was just like clip on the way off to
come back, or didn't even notice it. I don't know,
probably not.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
I don't think would have him if the referees didn't
pick it up, would have been match committee.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Yeah, but Blocker was one of those guys, wasn't he.
You just never said anything too because he was easy
to wind up, but if you did, you knew something
was coming. Yeah, And I remember just playing with Blocker
and just the respect that opposition players had for him,
but the ability to get under the skin of the

(01:02:18):
opponent and they would not back down. And the old
front rower in those days, weren't they It was a
one on one duel. They just right, I'll take you
and you and I go for it and I'm going
to beat you down.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
And refere would often let him go. And every scrum
they'd be headbutting.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
It's like ice hockey.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Just let that. But you'd hear, remember like the smash
of heads because they'd be fighting for the loose head.
Because back like you know, sound it's extremely foreign. It
was prehistoric these days. But every scrum was contested, so
what was important who got the food and who got
the loose head. So they would fight for loose heads
by head butting each other.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Just just incredible what it was, wasn't it. You know,
and they'd be starting in the second row would have
a loose arm and they'd come up and start to
throw upper cuts and the front rowers of you head
budding and just pushing and shoving, and yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
It was a whole old time.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Tony Butterfield was like he was probably the last because
buts he debuted for Penrith about nine eight seven, six
ninety seven and he was still playing in nineteen. In
two thousand, right was finished, but he was still of
that old softening up period. So we'd play games and
against the front rower and you'd hear the gonk where

(01:03:33):
he'd just go banging head button in scrums and Hugh
and going, oh, it's so refree he had butted me.
It would just be it was not of that era.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
I remember my first ever Country game was nineteen eighty
eight and Gary Jack was named at full back and
was injured, so they brought in Johnny Dory. Johnny Dory,
he was playing like like seventy he was when running
around with the Vampire, so he's getting towards the end

(01:04:05):
of his view Johnny, and they called him up as
a as a fallback. Anyhow, we're sitting around and talking about, oh,
you know, what are we going to do to city
and Johnny gas Well, the first scrump, we're going to
put it on, talking about putting on a blue in

(01:04:29):
the first crump, it was just sort of foreign to me,
as in, we're just going to go and have a stink. Yeah, yeah,
just the first rump.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
But the opening twenty minutes, like when you're a kid
watching rugby league, it was sort of gone. By the
time I got there, you would have had a little
bit distilled. Was the softening up period where it was
Raffidy's rules. It was just like, let let's just, you know,
the big las just go at each other and the
referee would basically call them both out and said, right
now you've had to go. Now you've had to go. Now,
let's settle down and play football.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Yeah, yeah, is that the first yeah, sort of twenty
minutes of the.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Game, those blue mountains, you go back there, We will
made it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Yeah, will works so well. I don't want to try
and come in and try and reinvent the wheel because
I don't think we need to. Obviously, I'll put my
own stamp on things. But the fooedback that I got
was that it was very impressive. I've gone up there
and checked it out myself. The players enjoyed it, just
to get away from Sydney and the spotlight a bit.

(01:05:25):
They've got all facilities there, so for us, it'll be
familiar with the players, so they'll get there, they'll know
what's happening. So yeah, comfortable going back there, and I'm
sure the players are. As We've heard the food's amazing
at the place.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Is that true?

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Have you?

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Look, I don't want to I don't want to give
anything away. Yeah, but apparently the food's phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Well, I haven't heard especially about the food, but I've
heard everything is brilliant. And in fact, I think a
couple of teams have gone up there recently to have
pre season camps, mainly just a couple weeks too. Footy
teams are starting to go starting to go up there, now,
can I We're about.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
To go into and now obviousn't worked that good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Apparently the food was too good.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
There were five overweight.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Look, Dad's about to go into a segment, okay that
he calls tough talk. Just before I throw it to him,
Can I asee a question? A big, big age old
argument in Laurie Daly's opinion, who is the greatest State
of Origin player of all time? Oh jeez, Queensland or
New South Wales should pick?

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
No, no, no, you know what I'd have. I'd have
three that I couldn't separate for different reasons. Tears, three
that I just absolutely admired got to play with. One.

(01:07:00):
Bradley Clyde. Just a champion player, champion guy. But just
what he did was he was a back rower that
could play out wide, so he was a wide running
back rower but also could carry the ball up like
a front rower Jowey. Of course, it was very, very good.

(01:07:23):
Every time he played State of Origin had an impact,
you know, one of the immortals and one of the
great greatest players we've seen. Uh And Freddy. Freddy I
think had a huge influence. Freddy played center, played Locke
played five eight and had an impact wherever he played.
So for me, those three rate extremely high. Can't separate them,

(01:07:47):
but they were all great, mate. I appreciate the honesty.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Now, now that was a tough If you thought that
was a tough question, this is going to be very
so what.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Are we looking for one word or where we're going.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
There are no rules. That's the only rule we have.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
On this podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
This is the softening period. But as opposed to the start,
it's towards the end. I love you that pretty son.
Do you know Billy? Do you know Billy Slater?

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
I do, but not not real will I know? No
Billy to say you know to but you know it
quite well.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Yeah, you've been to his house?

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
What's his house?

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
He's got he's got horses and stuff on.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
It's beautiful, beautiful, little like acreage and Victoria. The house itself,
it's a bit unique, like completely made of glass really, yeah,
which I thought is weird. Obviously they've worked with an
architect or something.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
That lives in the glasshouse.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
I'll tell you something about Billy. Billy is my mother's
favorite player.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
My mother was in love with Billy Slater really very
much so. So I remember she against Billy when I
was last in charge in New South Wales and my
mother would ring me every morning of the game saying,
make sure you leave my Billy alone. We're gonna give

(01:09:14):
it a billion. We didn't, but yeah, she she idolized
him and thinks he's such a wonderful player. But yeah,
she's a mad fan when it comes to Billy's later.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Don't touch the face true, Now he does love horses,
said it before the horse stud plenty of echa one
seats going around him, which is anyway, and also madey
did track work. Do you know track work with Gay Waterhouse.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
I saw him, I saw the story, and I've sort
of followed his career obviously, but he's done really well.
But you just can't. I just can't pitch your Billy
as the jockey.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
I soon played polo. It's almost world class. The best
polo player in the world or a guy who was
this Argentinean guy comes out and they played the magic
means and he just wraps Billy. Is how good he is.
It's just one of those arsholes you can do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Yeah, he's a freak.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
Yeah well yeah, so Gay Waterhouse, So waterhouses has opposed glasshouses.
People in waterhouses shouldn't throw.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Don't throw pebbles, don't skim stones.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
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as the year of the Second Coming. Of course yourself
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there's something straight away, we'd.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Be glad you're going to raise this question because I
want you and Cooper to both have a look at
my hair to address the rumors. Yes, to address the rumors.
What so Coop, Yeah, grab my hair okay and tell
me if that's real? Pull it? Yes, pull it? Oh,
that's real? And have I got gray hair? Yeah? You've
got great? Yes, So the rumors of rug dyeing the hair?

(01:11:16):
Can I just put that to bed?

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
You can?

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
That is that what it looks like?

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
I want I want my camera straight, look straight down there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
I don't have a runk and I don't do my hair.
You heard it first exclusive for Tough too, but he
does bleach his aus. Did you want to did you
want to maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
Again look straight down the barrel? Honestly, Laurie hasn't got
a just keep it on then get a turkey for
no reason? Now your co should origin level by Gus? Yeah,
of course had been the influence. Apart from conspiracies, agendas
and paranoia. What else did you take from Gus's coach?

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
I'll tell you what Gus could do extremely well. He
could deliver his message like, yeah, he could have you
believe a black wall is a white wall, and you
would run out there on the field so confident that
you could get the job done and you believed in
everything that he said. He was a great orator, very

(01:12:25):
knowledgeable about the game obviously, but had this knack of
being able to get the best out in each other,
but also knowing what made you tick, what made you tick,
So if you needed to be fired up, he could
do that. But if you needed a bit of a
chat and a bit of a calm down, he could
also also do that. You know, I remember him being

(01:12:50):
able to pick moments and when to recall stories. So
I remember one year, so it would have been at
the inn of eighty nine. You know. I got dropped
from that series and Gus came in in ninety two
and one of the first sessions he spoke about was
you know what we need to do to beat Queensland. Anyway,

(01:13:12):
we were at a coffee one day and he goes, mate,
what are your thoughts on your first Origin series? He said,
you come up against Malle's your captain, club captain. You know,
he's done it all. Wouldn't you like to get one
over him? At times? I said, oh yeah, I'd like
to get that. He says, well, what's your biggest regrets
so far in Origin? I said, oh, well, you know
the day I played against him in that Origin series

(01:13:35):
Game one, you know, Mal scored all these points and
I had a shocker and he you know, I got
brushed after that. He goes, right, don't know. Worries gets
to nineteen ninety four Game three, Mal's last game at
Lean Park. It's one all and I'm in the sheds

(01:13:58):
and he goes, how you feeling? I said, oh, yeah, good.
He said, remember a couple of years ago and I
had a yardie about Mal and your greatest regret And
I said yeah. He said, what are you going to.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Do about it?

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
I said, oh, I haven't really thought about it. He said, well, no,
the time's come mate, You're going to stand and deliver.
What are you going to do? And I said, well,
I'm going to play well. And he said, mate, he's
had his time, but yours has to arrive, and he's
got to arrive at some time. Why not be tonight?
And I said all right, No, Worries and he said,

(01:14:33):
when they come asking for you to do the toss,
going hide, Like, what do you mean going hide? He said, well,
you're not going out there. He said, we're going to
make him wait. He said, he's going to wait for you, right,
I don't know, worries And then touch he comes in
and knocks on the door and Captain can't find him.

(01:14:56):
He can't make captain. Anyway, it felt like ten It
was probably ninety seconds or.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Whatever it was.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Anyway, I go out to toss and Mali's just standing
there and he's filthy. He's just steering me, and I'm going,
oh my god, he's going to kill me. He's going
to kill me. And then and then that was fine,
shake the hand and we do the toss, and then
I go back in and I said, boys, no regrets.

(01:15:27):
I said, I'm not having a fucking regret to not
And that's sort of how I got inspired for that game.
And it was amazing that Gus was able to recall
a story we had three years before to actually get
me ready and up and about for that game.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
And isn't it funny that little thing, that little irritation
where you don't think a lot of it but Mao's
standing there and he's going, it's disrepeted the right word. No,
but he's going on a second, like you know, if
you if you're like your temptations to get out there
for the toss. Yeah, how you're doing. You have that

(01:16:06):
father son and you're going and male sitting there going
it's preaks making me wait.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
And I was not embarrassed, but I'm like, mate, I
want to respect him, you know, and I loved him,
And no, no, no, you're not you're not going. That
was interesting how radio that unfolded that in that moment.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Correct me if I'm wrong. You've left a little bit
off here through humility, I believe. In the last minute
of that game, with the game on the line, used
her head, laimed by a couple of points, and Mail
makes a big break down the right hand side and
you come a crossing cover and rather than taking on,
he sort of pauses to look for the pass. And
I remember the commentators at that point saying, it's almost

(01:16:45):
like that, is that you've seen the changing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Of the guard. Yeah, I don't know whether it was
in that game, right, I got it wrong, but look,
he was someone that I idolized. Now and he was
someone that I've got a great amount of respect for
and awesome player, awesome leader, and an immortal. And I

(01:17:11):
never actually saw it like that. But what I was
able to do, and what I always said I would
do to my team was I'll do anything in my
power to help make us wine. Yeah, and whatever I
had to do, I was willing to do.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
It's a great talk with Gus, which he gave me
that sort of talk when he dropped me three times.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Now, this looks not America worker.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Let's let's finish up with look with Clarky, you work
with him? It always it amazes me. Sometimes we had
a chat about this reasonally with different blokes. When you
get blokes, so nothing is clerky, right, fantastic curricut, but
he must have a silver tonguel. I'd just like to
know somebody's pick up lines because, let's face it, in

(01:18:04):
my opinion, and look, this is just my opinion. I
think Clark he's a four. But holy early, I mean
most sundays I pick up the paper and say, true,
I have a look at his going out with Now, well,
what I.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Will say, Matthew, he's got a lovely partner. Now got
a lovely partner. He's in a great spot. I have
asked him about, you know, his life in general and
what he gets up to and how he goes about things.

(01:18:39):
But yeah, I can't say too much because.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
After some advice, Let's face it, sometimes marriage isn't forever.
I'd just like to know it's going a second time around.
Did you guys have like a.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Locker room, a big sports breakfast?

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
Did you shower together?

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
It never showered with each other, but you know what
it's like when you get together the footy. This is
what I love about people from different sports. You guys
would know this. When you get blows from different sports.
They just can't believe how rugby league people are. They

(01:19:17):
just don't get it and they're intrigued and they want
to know all stories and it's like we're aliens or something.
It's just like you did that and it's I don't
know how to describe it, but people just regard us
as a completely the scum of the earth.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
It's funny, how like when you're young, you're so naive
you think sort of all sport cultures are the same.
And I remember when when we trained Amy Park, Melbourne
Rebels were there the Melbourne Demons were there and the
soccer team were there as well, and just the different
cultures across all The soccer guys would when they go
in the ice bar and stuff, they'd wear thongs to

(01:19:58):
stop tinier. The junior guys were the same, and the
AFL boys a sort of do the same, just little tendencies.
And then we would kind of roll into the gym
and the ice bars boys be doing cannon balls and
things like that, and you could just see you could
just see all the other sporting teams just going with
these guys are just.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
Well, there's certain words that were part of the rugby
league vernacular, well in terms of what people would say
about rugby league that have become international. They'll say that
one of the leudes rhino blokes running to one of
the league and Premier League players and said, and they
talked about something and the Premier League players said the
term rugby league drunk. I'm going out to get rugby

(01:20:39):
league drunk.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
You know, I've heard that as well, rugby league And
I want to know how they compare rugby league to
other sports. Did I just say that because the rugby
league players are more well known? Yeah, yeah, yes, people
just see them out a little bit more. And we
don't think we're better. Everyone's just Wegaltians.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
We're all the same. Yeah Clerky though on Clerky good
player to never seen someone bat overs like it. Unfortunately
not at the crease. Otherwise he's still there now. Thank
you for joining us in tough talk. Last thing before
we go, los we like to do a thing called
loan survivor. Correct Cooper, explain it. I have struggled you
do so loan survivor.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
It's it's almost like a king of the Ring, if
you will, Like Dad is going to give you two options.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
What is the category?

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
For the categories your greatest teammate.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
So it's going to be your greatest teammate. For example,
if he said Matthew or Andrew Johns, you would say
Andrew John's and then it'll go and Lena, let's not
presume obviously, and then the end the end person your
greatest teammate.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
So a lot of times I thought it myself. You know,
there's not many that you that you've only shared outside
of club level, because you just played so many great
players for the So is this.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
The player I enjoyed playing with the most most talented?
Is it for the best?

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
I would like to feel you to almost go buying
it all, almost like rad You're going into battle and
you go, who do you want most alongside? Okay, start
with some wingers, no one, Andrew who or Chicken Ferguson
Chicker Chicken Ferguson Andrew Weddinghouse and Chicker Chicker Kenny Nagas

(01:22:26):
Kenny Kenny Nagas, Ruben Wiki, Ruben should play with some
good ones Reuben Quentin Pongia, Quentin Quentin or Johnny Lomax.
How mean, dudes?

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Ah? Yeah, Quentin or Johnny going into battle?

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
So if you had both, you wouldn't lose, do Youjohnny,
Johnny Lomax, Dave Ferner. You've played with some.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Uh in the ring, but Johnny in the street fight? Yeah?
When when when you could do whatever? Johnny?

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Roll with Johnny? Then right with Johnny, Johnny Lomax or
Brett Mullins.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
To bring fun.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Johnny, Johnny Lomax, Gary Belcher, Oh Badge is too good looking,
so Johnny okay, Johnny, Johnny Lomax, Alan Langer in the
battle Johnny, Johnny Lomax, Ricky Stewart, Sticky Ricky Stewart, brad Fiddler,

(01:23:55):
Sticky Ricky Stewart, Glenn Lazarus, Sticky Ricky Stewart, Bradley Clyde,
Claudie Bradley Clyde, Malmedinger, ah so.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Uh Malinger the game.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Thanks for joining us today, Thank you, good Luck for
the Origin series. Thanks you for coming on mate, And
do you want to finish with.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
The losses Luck? No, I can't do it.

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