April 27, 2025 • 45 mins
Justin 'Scope' Horo joins the hosts to share stories from their Byron Bay adventures, discuss Daly Cherry-Evans' leadership, delve into NRL training regimens, and analyze the current NRL market.
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0:00-Upper Crust
4:00-Byron Bay Trip
9:00-The Dad Bod
10:15-DCE's Wedding
12:15-NRL Training
18:00-Daly's Backrowers
26:45-NRL Market
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm I'm the most I'm becoming the most organized over data?
Is that right, Dake?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
How many can I'll get on my plate?
Speaker 1 (00:05):
You know what else is on my plate? Bro?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
This is running by the way.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
What about that alarm clock that goes off every morning
on four thirty and keeps up?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I know that I did it for years?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah, I know you don't do it now though?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Did it go off at four thirty this morning? A
little bit later?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
A little bit later? I shouldn't have dog do that.
We're starting to get out. Let's do a big emotional
intro that we do for everyone justin Horror aka Scope
Eels Legend mainly Seagle's Legend media behemoth doing excellent.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Emerging, Yeah, emerging behind the Darth Vader that his dent
and camp.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
But welcome to the potty mate, Thanks boys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Good on your mate?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah yeah, because you know it wasn't an easy drive
over it. You were saying that, and you've invoiced just
for the fuel that you need to come over here.
The tolls, you.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Know, I'll settle for an uppercrust pie. Oh yeah, mate,
that was so. I used to just live around the
corner in my first year of Manly and a freaking
that frequent that a couple of times after a big night.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
How good is that?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
A few beers in the next morning, a Sunday morning. Nothing, Yeah,
what type of pie? What you get? The chicken and
white wine? One?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Oh, white wine?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, I'm a steak, onion and cheese.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I a steak and cheese would be one number two.
I don't hate it, but just nice and simple for
the pie. In saying that chicken and white one probably
not not simple for people, but it was the signature one.
So when I got Overary, everyone told me you've got
to try it, and then obviously it was.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, yeah, letting people know if you want the best pie,
I think in New South Wales, upper crust, the northern but.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
It's got best pie in Australia three years running. Yeah wow,
your suit on the side, I'm sorry, you can't spell.
When you go past the site, the side of the premise.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It does they advertise it. When you go up there
at lunch time like any any day of the week,
still packed mate, line around the corner like literally for
so long, and it's like you've got to get there.
Don't go between eleven thirty and twelve thirty. I'm gonna
tell you something because you like, you'll be line enough
for ages. What else they do? Excellent stuff apple pie
with whipped cream on top of Okay, yeah, yeah, it's seriously.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
If I was going to mix it up spinach and recorder,
I don't want just like a nice spinach and recorder roll.
So that was another option. Sometimes a pie and a spinach. Yeah,
just depend on.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I forgot to carry. I like the carry pies. I've
just got into them, and the paper steak pies. But
carry pies I'm sick for it.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Curry ones are really good. I find it weird that
like we're the only well not the only one, but
we're one of the only countries that really like does
the pie because America don't that you call it to
mining thing a pie in America. It's like that pumpkin
pie and things like that.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
The areas that have had a tradition of coal mining
have pies because the pie originally the pastry that was
just a cover for what's had within the pie when
they go down the coal mines, So it was to
protect whatever was in So back in the day they
would open up the pastry and not in the pastry
just so it's just like a lead inside. It was.
It was basically, yeah, like the lid removes the lid
(03:13):
and then the contents to protect from the gold the
coal dust.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Really so is there any.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
And then someone along the somewhere along the way, someone
decided this is the whole thing. It's the same with
battered fish. The batter on a fish was to protect
the fish when they went down the mines.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Because New Zealand do good pies too, Yeah, really good,
really good one.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
There.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Will Warbrick when he came over to Storm from New
Zealand used to say, whenever we go get a pie, boys,
and he goes Naji, the pies in New Zealand the
way way better in New Zealand. Just be like grateful
for the pie you're eating right now.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
A lot of Kiwis will back that up, like Kiwi's
that's bakeries and fish and seafood. They're going to claim that.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, they take it personally, they do.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, Will Water. The seventh player for all bakes.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Moses Leo, who's debut A Couples.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Good to see him get a start, Yeah, really good.
The more that come across the more that we'll come across.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
That makes sense, correct, Yeah, yeah, setting a standard.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It's got nothing to do with setting a standard, setting a.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Trend trend exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Mate.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
We had Cheese on the podcast a little bit ago
and we told some good Byron Bay stories. Your name
come up a couple of times because, of course when
we went to Byron Bay after the twenty twenty Grand Final,
you were up there as well with a little crew.
Some good memories. I remember you were up there with
Corey Norman, James c Giaro, Chicko.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Was Chicka, Yes, Chico was there in a different group,
but yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
The same year he was up there and Maddie Moylan.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And Moya so our crew, so Toddy Carney was there
as well, and maybe there was like a Chicko become
really good mates with these boys from Cranella and I
believe one of them was either on their bucks or
something like that going up So me, Normany and moys
that jumped on last minute and just got our own
little place and then we end up running to you
(05:05):
guys and yeah, and then could jump it on the
back end of jumping on.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It was funny, remember we were because it was Melbourne Cup.
It was to remember we were there Melbourne Cup. We
ended up we all bought like blazers, like two dollars
up shot blazers and we went to this pub Drumswick
Hotel or something like that that was and we watched
the Melbourne Cup. We had a massive day and we
come out of the pub and they were remember the
group of homeless people that were sitting there and they
all had instruments. No, they were homeless. They were sitting
(05:37):
on milk crates that doesn't move.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
They're homeless.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
But we didn't clarify that, did we. But we just
started you just started getting the gate out. You didn't
you grab one of.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
The the guitar with him because Cheese was like, that's
who Cheese running and goes bra there's a group of
homeless people out there and they've got a guitar. And
he knew I played a little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
He goes, let's go.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
So we went out there and we started playing Better
be Home soon a crowded house and.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
For people who haven't got home, I know, for the homeless.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
And remember there was the guy playing like the flute
and all you boys were sitting there in arms seeing
and it was a great night, mate, that was a
great moment, Like, yeah, the day was awesome, but I
remember sitting around. I think I've got it recorded for sure,
I remember. And then and then it not only went
from there. We all got in the van and some
sort of uber system together and we're just bounting out
(06:27):
songs like oas this Wonder War on the on the
way home. It was Yeah, that was a that was
a good little and yeah, I think it was off
the back of the Melbourne Cup.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So yeah, better be home soon. It should have been
hope to get her home soon.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Well, the rest of us were okay.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Soon.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
But remember normally as well. Jack actually reminded me when
I was when we were talking about Byron storys before this,
I believe did normally like have a bit of an
accident that trip as well, like urinated the bed.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
That's something like and and yeah, that's something normal would
do though, so that doesn't stand out like even though
that's like a story for Byron, potentially that's something he
would be doing. Jackie, you from memory.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
He stayed at our place and we had the double
mattress downstairs. It was a mattress on top of a
lounge that he'd fit on, and I believe he pissed
the He pissed the bed so much that night that
there was actually it went through both mattresses and there
was a puddle of piss underneath the double mattress.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
It was.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
It was awesome.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
That's why I don't remember it, because we'd come over
the next day and I sort of didn't have as
big one as Normy obviously, and you guys and he
crashed at your place, Me and Moyser come over in
the morning to potentially and I remember you were going,
come on, like he's been here for a while. He
wouldn't that homeless crew.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
That was the night that one of my favorite memories
of it, where I was sitting there. It was me, me,
Shandle and Normy and somebody we all our shirts off,
sitting behind like the table, playing music, and somebody go,
I think it was Connor Watson. Connor Watson goes, hey,
look that's Shandor. That's Shandor at twenty one. That's Shandor
at thirty one, pointing to Shandal that and then points
(08:12):
at normal and goes and that's Shandor at forty one
and everyone was laughing. Everyone's laughing and Shandor lent in
to Normy and he goes, I will never not have abs.
Everyone needs to call him because he had normally had
that just notorious pot belly. Yeah mutters, Yeah, it would
have never had a never had a set.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
That's what that's my nickname for him, mutters because the mudguts,
like he was the only one half in the game
that could get away with the mudguts and still play
at a high level.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
There's a field and going around at the mat. It's
a story in the Sport. Oh it's a big one.
It's a magazine associated with the New York Times, and
they explained the dadboard off mahomes. They was saying that
people who Cameron Smith's another one. Yep, he just said
before Normy Cameron Munster. Cameron Munster in the fact that
they said, they're almost like a Swiss army and if
(08:59):
they can do it, a little bit of everything makes them.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, well, I remember money Munster said when he actually
lost weight and got people found it easier to tackle
it because he was so thick around the gut, like
just from his poor diet habits at the time that
he was actually so hard to like, you know what
it's like to try to wrestle someone. You try to
get double underhooks and then pop the loll back. He
was so thick that you couldn't pop his lower back
(09:23):
because it was like a lot of belly.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Well, I mean if you look at fighters, if fighters
go down sometimes just a kilo or to lose a
little bit, it gets to a point from fitness to
you start to lose strength.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
So even with the UFC fighters I'm thinking about it now,
is we're talking about like Habiben and Makachev and all
those guys like they're they're not totally ripped, are they
They're really good mauls and wrestlers. But and the other
one with the quarterbacks is there's a Tennessee Titans quarterback
called Will Levice. Yep, he's way too ripped his mechanics
and that it doesn't suit it.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
So Brock Jarvis when he was fighting, like Thurman said,
but he's before the fight, Keith Thurman said, he's too repped.
He's got too much muscle, he can't move. And yeah,
it's interesting, we said I seen one before. What was
it when we're talking about something coup you said something before.
I'm trying to think NFL might have been NFL. And
we'll come back to you're.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Talking about money. He's talking about money.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
In the underreap, we're sort of peace in this rule.
What are you talking about a little bit? It was
worthwhile saying, but I just forget what it was. I
just continue true Deli True Evans before we talk about
his current plight. Daily's wedding. It seems to be that
seems to be sort of the point that's almost the
(10:38):
pebble in the pond, that where the reverberation started. A
certain mc they're pointing out that gez des Hazle is here,
but not Anthony Seuerbold and certainly not Tony mess I reckon.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
He's brought this up on every podcast the last four weeks.
He's relentless.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
A lot of people have been bringing it up with
me because of the relationship as well, so a lot
of people have been trying to get information you were
outstanding to by the way, and Jack you clipping up
that the pod you did with Brad Parker about me
dressing to go to Warfie. So many people sent me
that little Luki Stowe sent me that originally and I
(11:13):
had a good laugh.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
You kept an unnecessary astray there, Yeah, because you were dressed. Look,
you weren't in a standard suit. You were dressed like
you were going to Warfie. But I don't think Parks
was referring to you when he was trying to throw
you under the bus.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I know, loocause you're going after him and he's trying
to deflect, so he's trying to deflect away. So there
was me and a couple of the Islander boys, Sipley
and Perseco. We were a little bit more underdressed than others.
But Jackie, I know you're behind it. You put it
in the clip that you're me money in chairs and
they're in a bag of fruit as well. They're looking
the mickey and I'm standing there looking like I'm going
(11:45):
to walk next.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
For what fit for what? That's what I was going
to say. You know, people aren't ripped. It's like, I mean,
what is fitness fit for what? So if you can
play rugby league, if fits for rugby league, you fit
for UFC, you're fit for running four hundred meter. They're
all different. Yeah, Hence let's continue for instance, have you
ever been the peaky of powers when you're playing rugby
league and you're fit for rugby league, but then you
(12:11):
walk up a set of stairs with your wife and
she's fine and you're exhausted.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, yeah, you know what fit for what I was
actually thinking, I didn't know where you were going. Without
the start, I thought, well, I we'll cut this out.
But I do understand what you talk about now, because
I was thinking about this yesterday. You went from Paramatta
to Manly, which we're going to get into. But every
rugby league team they all train hard, but they all
kind of do different drills which are kind of hard.
I remember going from Melbourne, who trained really really hard,
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but then going to Manly, who train very hard as well,
but the running type of stuff they do more long
distance stuff, and it felt like even though I was
fit from my time in Melbourne, it felt like I
was like seventeen again shit fitness because it was just
my body was not fit for that kind of running.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It was completely different because we had Steve Kerney and
Brad Arthur from Melbourne, so we trained you guys. They
were trying to implement that Paramatta when I was there,
so it it took a massive adjustment, Like the training
was completely different at Manly. But the one thing I
sort of remember from from that time is we would
getting sort of similar to what you're saying about money.
(13:15):
I would have been about a Paramatta about ninety five
ninety six kilos during the Kearney and when Brad Darthur
took over, because we would we would just you know,
those wrestle sessions. They found a shed out at Paramatta
that they tried to replicate what Melbourne had been doing. Yeah,
it was a really high intensity sort of setup. And
then when I got to Manly, like we trained hard,
(13:37):
but everyone loves the skin up and it's like the
older boys had the runs on the board. So like,
especially during my time keep before you got there, it
was the older boys. Yeah, the older boys would come
in three days a week in pre season, which I loved,
but whenever they come in the intensity of those sessions
would be top tier. And then us younger guys we
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would try five days a week like normal. But you know,
it's just completely different. Like Donnie knew, Donnie Sinch and
Jeff Twovy and that they knew that they had the
runs on the board, so it was it was tweaked
a little bit different to suit more of the older boys,
and then I imagine like it would have changed the
regime change and was Donnie still around when Donnie moved on?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, he's moved on. Yeah, that's so funny that you
say that. I can't believe that they so how many
of the boys would only come in three times? So
that's from November.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
To what till December? After Christmas? Yeah, everyone would start
back together, so Monday TOOS Monday, Wednesday Friday would be
the Sessions day rock up and then obviously all the
rest of us do Tuesday on Thursday. But that was
Brett Glenn, Steve Matdeye, Anthony Walmo, Jamie Lyon. This is
this is like a couple of years. Maybe Chucky was
(14:48):
playing Australian in the Australian team, so we didn't even
see him at all. Jason King, Brent Kyte, Maddy Ballen.
So there was a large portion that's half your first
guard to me. Yeah. Yeah. But so because Donnie gave
them the freedom, a lot of them would still turn
up on the Tuesday and Thursday and going the gym
and just do their own stuff. They'd be visible. They
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might come in do a little morning session and take off,
but they could they had the runs on the board,
and we knew, like Donnie knew that he wasn't They
weren't going to let him down on the field. Then
we'll just rip in and Tuesdays and Thursdays would be
a bit of a downer. But Monday, Wednesday, Friday was
the mickey, like we would all be up and yeah
they'd be and they'd be flying, and yeah, we got
to we've got the best out of it.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
It's interesting to say about that about when Blake's got
the runs on the board or yeah, the muscle memory.
They've been training for a long long time. I remember
at Melbourne's Alex Corvo, who was the strength conditioner there
for a long time, he was saying when they would
bring young players in from coming down from Brisbane or
wherever is, that they would train them in high volume
in the weight room, so'd be like five sets to
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sixteen slow and things like that, and he said what
it was about was building your base so that when
they're at the club for five six years, they can
come back in mid January putting those in the clock. Now,
but it's really interesting when you blokes are talking about
that different ways of training. One of the big mysteries
when I was coming through was that you could run
four hundreds, eight hundreds, two hundreds, you know, ten one
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hundreds all pre season, NonStop. You could be fit as
you've ever been, But as soon as you get on
out on the field, you knack it. And we used
to say, right, what is match fitness? Well, match fitness
is wrestling a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Isn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah, Like it just wasn't done really in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
And even now, like even it doesn't matter how big
your preseason is. Now come trial game one, Like, no
matter how much wrestling you do, how much running, you're
still so gassed. Obviously they do it because it helps
like prepare your body for a big season. It stops
injury prevention and things like that. But nothing like that.
There is no training you can do that replicates gets
your match fitness up.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
The Wigan boys when we're at Wigan, there are a
couple of the blokes that used to go to this
legendary place in We're going to do some wrestling. It
was called the snake Pit, and they called it that.
There was a bloke who was a really legendary trainer there,
and the bridge Wich Bulldogs would be there sometimes, David
boy Smith from the British Bullets. It was a wiganer
they reckon. They went in there once and Brett Hart
was in there. So yeah, a few of the boys
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used to go and train in that place. It sounds
sounded to me a little hardcore. You know, you wouldn't really, Yeah,
it was probably pretty hard core.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I don't know what you're alluding to. I'm not talking about.
I'm not talking about, you know, wrestling where get your
hooks in. I'm talking about you know, bloke's getting held
in in certain holes and screaming.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Oh god.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
The current manly side. Would you consider yourself a manly
Are you a manly fan or a paramount of fan?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Spent three three three three split of them, probably more
mainly because we had more success there.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
What I wanted to ask you, because this year is
started phenomenally. You're a former back roller for the mainly
Seagulls played. You've played off chairs perform just only slightly different,
only slightly different. Still, you broke as many tackles as him.
Audio thoughts on the Big Fail because he's got every
string to his bow.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, I love it. I remember when he first hit
the scene. You know, could only you know, last thirty
or forty minutes before the big fellow gas out, which
is understandable. But he's you know, he's really developed into
a proper eighty minute back row who can be just
as effective at the start of the game as he
is at the back end. Now you look at that
on the weekend when he it's the you know, the
(18:25):
the losing by a fair beer sixty five minute chez
I think throws him aboard just nothing doing bang wushka,
fine sabi and puts him away like a couple of
the back rollers now in the competition on the other side,
Ali Katoa, Villiarmi kickl on the left.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, even like Jake Preston.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah, he's a weapon.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
He could play, but not not the mold of that Katoa.
And but he's smart to know how Yeah yeah, but
just goes hard to like. But Amole, I feel like
this year he's got he's got a work rate that
he hasn't had the ye's gone. He's always been a
game breaker, but you've seen the first few rounds like
his defensive efforts like he's he's not it's not just
(19:07):
blokes running at him and he's flogging him like he's
chasing blokes and like just blokes are running sideways backwards
get away from him.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah. I thought a really good sign in the off
season was when they promoted him to vice captain or
part of the leadership group. So it must have shown
how much work he's put in over the last couple
of years under Seves and he must have had I'd
imagine it would have been disrupted did he play for Tonga,
he would have. Yeah, so he must have had a
really good January February gone into the season because that
was announced, And yeah, a great sign for Hemole and
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chairs on that right. Edgewall currently.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
The rooster, but he not love with I look at Himlee,
and I think to myself, like at the moment, it's
feed to Malee early. He wants the ball early. But
for him, if he takes that next step in his
career and actually starts to take a leaf out of
say Preston or Britain Nicker's book and actually start to
whack mate, honestly, he's unstoppable. Like you saw the difference
(20:04):
a few years ago with David Feeder operating on that left,
and he was a player just like, oh, give me
the ball early, and then all of a sudden he
had a really good twelve months because he had Kieran
foran teaching about the science of the game, you know,
and that's that's like Preston, Jacob Preston. Would he survive
if he just kept getting the ball early? You know? Maybe,
but would he be as good to play it? No
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way in the world. It's learning that sort of science
of the game with a lot of players. It's next step.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, how much did like you've played with Chas, how
much of an impact does Chess have for his back rollers?
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Because I imagine it was tough. I really struggled because
I started with Kieren on the left, so when I
was on the left, Kieran as you know, like it
was krying it there as well for us here.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
He just got to the Titans. H have some salary
cap for me.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Big money signing from the Dylan Brown of Manly. Fozzy
was so detailed prepared before games and then would even
just see cues as the game was on flowing, so
he might tell me becuzzy you're going to be getting
it mad He get it, Maddi's inside shoulder. A couple
of plays before we're going to I want you to
lay that line, but we've got something else coming to
the right. So I was like, always had a plan
(21:11):
with fozz with chairs. There was none of that, and
that was maybe it's changed over time. He's probably got
better better at over the years, but I used to
just have to react. And there was a couple of
games we were really struggling, so Tubs and Dave Penner,
where he was the assistant coach, He's like, here, you're
going on the right and I said, oh, yeah, no,
(21:31):
it's just trying to figure it out, but yeah, we'll
get there. And they said, oh, well it's not working.
We're going to flick your back over to the left.
So I spent some time back on the left, and
then out of necessity, i'd actually been sort of just
fell out of favor a little bit in fifteen, and
then in order to get myself back in the team,
I had to play on the right. And I actually
ended up fitting finishing twenty fifteen really good with him,
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because I started to realize, all right, you just got
to be ready for everything. It's not. It's not like
Fozz so his mannerisms and and you know he'd start
sharp as he looks like he's about to tack in
behind the markers, but then he'd kick out. All right,
So now I'm dropping under. Just little things like that
I got, I had to get better at. And it's
a little bit different, like I said, a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
With Yeah, I always found that. I found that very
surprising when I got to mainly like for someone who
you know, played Australia, played Origin, Chez wasn't a big
like of community, a communicator for what he was going
to do. He was just so off the cuff and
it was like you the players around him need to
know what he's going to do. Like he's still very
much like that, Like you know, he would just float
(22:37):
and he's so good. He's got such a good iq
of just reacting to the defense, which a lot of
people don't. Munster's got that. Remember when Trent le Aero
first went into first grade, he played on the left
edge with Munster and they really struggled for the year
because Trent was someone that needed to know like I'll
do whatever you tell me, but I need to know,
like what you need to tell me, and Money go yeah, yah,
(22:59):
sweet and wouldn't tell anything and then just take off, yeah,
and then just take off and like he just do.
We used to call it mun ball, which is like
only not even mone knows what he's doing, So how's
the defense going to know? But then Train obviously moved
into the middle and he was like, oh, I found
my game. So it benefited me so much more because
in the middle it's so stocked, standard structured. But you
(23:19):
see Sean Blaher on that left edge. Now he's very
good at reacting to what Money does.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Well, that's what makes a great combination, isn't it. Like
if you look at Chairs and Kieran. You've got Kieran
who can set structure up and tell you who's getting
to it and be really thorough. And then on the
other side of the field you got a wild a
maverick who just jumps around. You can find that happy
you meet him in Melbourne twenty seventeen. He had Cooper
Krank operating around the field and you had Munster who
was just playing completely on instinct. It's a great combination.
(23:47):
Otherwise you've got two halves here trying to play halfback.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
That's why. So before I moved over there, that was
the year that Gift he had moved on Glenn Stewart.
So Glenn Steward and Jamie Lyon that was his right
edge to begin his career. They're just out and out
footy players. Yes, Like I've seen you talk about him
before Matty in years past. Like they were just really
like top tier park footy players. You know, they play
exactly what's in front of him. So like Glenn Stewart
(24:11):
had a few moves that he would work each game,
but off you know, those three on that right edge,
whatever they've seen and if it was if they got numbers,
it didn't it didn't matter. No one had to felt
like they didn't have to say anything and they were
just in sync and they'll just take like they'll just
go after it mate.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I mean, it was so good for Dali when he
got in there. You have for Blake's a great running game.
I have the advantage line, you know, dip out if
he likes what he sees, take him on if he
doesn't feed Glenn early, Yep, it's a great way.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Glenn would just sit there. We used to have a playoff.
What was called still maybe something like Freshly short side
fresh or something. We used to sit there and imagine
they've changed the name now. Glenn would sit there three
on three and then you know, if he got three
on three or even two, like they're taking it, but
he'd just go, Chess, let's go. And then Chess would
just start ripping from the open side of the plate
(24:59):
down the short side, and then I just crowded. And
then you know that silky little play that used to
do at the back of the center that was just
always off the calf. That wasn't that was never planned really,
that was just whatever Gifty saying did.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Imagine like when you're doing edge v edge of training,
if you're on the left edge defending those four was
that just a nightmare?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
It was the best. Like that's why improved so much
in thirteen and fourteen, Like I just learned how to
play like rugby league, even though I couldn't execute the
same as what those those guys did. It was just
learning the game. So like there was and the battle
between Stevie Mattowe and Jamie Lyon, they used to be
really competitive against each other. So training, you know, I
(25:40):
always say this all the time, like training sessions were
harder than games. Sometimes wow, Like it was just on
and it was a great environment and I'd just be
observing everything and just trying to you know, I try
to do those moooths. I said, you enjoy a little
short side fresh of this week and you get like
(26:01):
just put it in the back pocket, even the tools. Yeah,
just from me inside three men.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Look at Jamie Lyne. I haven't seen many more pure
footballers than killer. I mean you're talking about dad, like
James Draham. I've said before it turned up when he
turned up a Saint Helen's from we wore they went
look at this blog and they did fitness and he
was so far behind everyone. But as soon as the
ball hit his hands over her and went sheesus Christy with.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
This bloke played against him for a couple of years
before we got there. He's a player that I didn't
appreciate enough until I got there. Just a really good
gym and really good locker room guy. He's obviously our skipper,
but just yeah, he dusted us up so much on
that left first right, just training, just doing little moves
and subtleties that you're just like, wow, Like I got
to see it every pretty much every week.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
You know what about the market at the moment we're
talking about this before the podcast, and you know, like
the DCE situation, which we've spoken about, don't I spoke
to you a bit. It's when we're on the radio
to say, there are so few quality pure number seven's
out there that I thought there is no way that
mainly are going to allow him to wander out the
(27:08):
door if someone pinch him. And now what the Dylan
Brown contractor has done to the rest of the market
suddenly got locky Galvin, some people saying five years, a
million dollars a year lock He must be going Jesus,
I could just sit on my ars and my price
is going to go up. And then you've got a
little bit of a story. The Fletch said to me,
as we're recording this just recently on Isaiah Atoa. That
(27:29):
might be proven wrong as this is put out, but
talk that he's unsettled at the Dolphins, well, the reason
he's unsettled just to say his managers had to look
at the money going around and thought to himself, mate,
I could probably get one point three A mean one
point three million a year for Isaiah.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, yeah, especially because I've seen the clip when you're
talking to Fletch about it. He just did his deal too,
So there might be a little bit of frustration from
not only the players if they've just got a deal
done because of the Dylan Brown situation, but even the
manager's gone Jesus could have put it a little bit
more or how can we figure out a way to
(28:04):
sort of get this reupt.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Because he is a player. They just can't let go
no Dolphins, so they have to find any means possible
to keep him in that club.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, you look at the hearts coming through in the
next five years when your Chess's and that sort of
the leaders that are in there now, Monster's hues he
come towards the end, it's Katowa Galvant like, they're going
to be the next you know, they're going to be
the next Origin Stars. And if you don't retain those blokes,
now there's going to be They're going to be in
a world I heard for ten years who is playing
(28:34):
against them?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
But you know, on the manly situation again with DC,
what has confirmed probably the madness of letting him go
is have a look at the difference and this guy
is not a seven, but he's a clever player operates
in the middle of the field. Have look at the
difference that Dylan Walker made when he came on the
field the other day from Aramund. Immediately he got into
that middle field, he alleviated the pressure off Hawkins and
(28:56):
Dylan Brown and make his past selection. Everything changed, the
tempo of their attackers went through the roof. That's purely experienced.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah, yeah, he's a free Dan Brown end up running
about eighteen times off the back of that.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Didn't he make You just saw the difference scope because
he just took the pressure of him as far as
decision making and pushing the side around the park.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Hey, going back to let's go back to into your
VID of your career for a sec. Started a paramount
up some of the players that you played with, because
the I think the skipper when you were there was
Matthew's colleague Nathan hein Marsh.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
The first year was Kaylo Nathan Caylis and then Heindi
eleven twelve.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
What was because Heindi is a Matthew, He's a look
he was an outstanding player three hundred gamer, but his
personality I find he would have been a very strange
sort of captain mate.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I was always all right with Heindi. For some reason,
he was hard on younger guys, like he was a
bit of an old school.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Very old school guy.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, and he tries to keep it up now on
the show sometimes with players. I don't know how to
explain it. I don't know, because I'd spent a lot
of similar to you guys, Coop and Jack, because you
spend a lot of time around n ROL players. Because
of my dad playing first grade, I probably didn't get
as star struck early on that which some players go
(30:14):
through when they you know, when they start off, they
can be a bit tentative. So yeah, I never really
felt like that with Heindy, but I used to see
him sometimes. He used to put it on and and
you know, he's the sort of guy to you know,
might put someone on show but then give you a
wink like when they walk past and all that sort
of stuff. But yeah, he was mad. He was good.
(30:34):
He was good. He was at the back end, a
legend of the club. What's that that old award when
it was like the fans voted.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
For him every single year, like he hated it getting
club into They did not.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Like it because then you know it was like, yeah,
the nicest guy in the w Ward basically in which
he was like he was, you know, he was a legend.
He was really good to the fans. Unreal player. You know,
the Premiership thing sucks for him, but you know he
did everything else. But yeah, he was. He was good.
I got I got along with him some of the
other boys. You know, I took a little bit to
(31:12):
get used to Haindi, but I was always We used
to sit next to each other in the in the
auditorium and we do like video sessions and that, and
he says tell these like shitty little jokes. Weren't funny.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
He's not funny.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
It was not funny at all. But I'd laugh at
how awkward it was, because you know, he's a three
hundred game, he's an origin player, trying to get on
his good side. He's trying to be quirky. And then
it would just get crickets and I would just be going.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, like there's quirky, and there's quirky. That's doubly quirky
when you're sitting in there yard. God, that's not even funny.
Here's the strangest opendons on things sometimes. Mind it. We'll
get there on the show and he'll just say something
before and I'll say, do you really mean that?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, I said, mate, that's that's that's fair enough. Just
go with it. It was a negative.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
One was Jared Haynes was he was there, a young
Jared Haynes there as.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Well with you Hainsey. So me and Haines were really
close because we went to school together. And then also
he lived with my family, so my parents were house
parents with Paramatta for a six year period and when
Hainesy first hit first grade, he was living in Campbelltown
with his mother and it was too far to travel,
so they moved him in with our family, and yeah,
(32:24):
he went on that crazy run he moved. So he
lived two thousand and seven and eight with us and
then O nine was the.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
D M Ye yeah, yeah right, that was incredible nine
watching him at start of that year. Dean Leanson played
him at six. I believe he was playing him at six,
And we commentated a game one night and like scope,
he was uninterested, like he was standing out there like
I've been watching the game. Game, mate, look at the talent.
This guy is completely wasting the talent that God gave him.
(32:52):
And then they moved him back to fullback halfway through
the season. Jesus tear. What you talk about greatest runs?
He Calen Pong, Barber, Ben Barber, Tommy Turbo and I
think I think that is the greatest run I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Yeah, yeah, if you go maybe probably further in the
year than Turbo because it was like a ten week
period with ains, right, Like the start of that year
was pretty bad. Like I was in the full time
squad at that time, so like people forget the start
of the year, how the form was and probably you
know what you're alluding to there, Maddy, But when he
went on that run, that was there's probably no I
(33:27):
haven't seen anything like that in my footy career. The
energy around, like the crowds, you know, the one, the
one that stands out is to the prelim final against
the Bulldogs. That's the best atmosphere I've ever been involved in.
And I wasn't even a player. I was just part
of the squad at the time, so we all would
get to you know, it's like you get you get
tickets and you sit there and I remember looking around,
(33:49):
I think it felt like it was one hundred thousand.
I don't have to they brought it in by that
stage at the call, but it was Bulldogs first Paramatta
to go onto the Grand Final and it was electric
and incredible. And that was the backer then and.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
D of the run of what hang fiery team like
the fans of those two clubs are as fire as
you get.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Well, the Roosters at that point that week brought over
a young South African kid. He was a fullback and
they were trying to they were going to sign him,
and I remember I was talking to Peter. It was
Peter Solom and Bryan Smith at the time, and they
brought him over here to just have a look and say, mate,
run through some drills and we'll see what you think.
And I said, oh, you know, you could see his
(34:27):
very talent kid. Then they said we're going to what
we're going to do tonight. We're going to take him
to the Paramatta versus the Bulldogs and just tell him,
I mate, this is just a normal game. Well it
did the reverse. He went there with the nature of
the crowd, how hostile it was, and then this type
of game it was and when there's no fucking way
I'm signing, I'm not sign I'm not signing. I'm going
(34:48):
to need this game.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, because you and you and dad actually shared a
teammate crossing roads Tamana tahu Oh Yeah, yeah, yeah, man,
I was looking when I was looking at that squad,
but T would have been in the back end of
his career there.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
He was the opposite behind you. He was really welcoming
to all the young Easter. I felt like T went
out of his way to make sure we all felt comfortable.
And that sounds a baud if you just listening to
the body now, but like there's a quirky side to
what haines. He was in that old school manner, but
I think T wanted to make sure, especially maybe being
(35:23):
Kiwi as well, that was maybe a factor. But yeah,
T was awesome, and I was very lucky because I
went from Tamaara to Steve Maddeye in the centers and
I was a back roller and I played on their edge,
so there was a certain level of protection that I
felt when I played with those two. But T was
(35:43):
unreal and then we had a pretty cool moment. They
must have got him back in twenty ten because then
we played in the New Zealand Maltis together at the
end of the year in an exhibition game and he
was our captain. He was our co captain. Him and
Clinton Torpy had never played for the New Multi before
but at the back end of their career and they
wanted to represent that side of their family. So yeah,
(36:06):
that would have been twenty ten.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Were talking about the good players there. Clinton Torby was
some sort of player, but Timmarna like just just freakish.
The presence he had on his edge. Now when he
really matured as a player and he became as good
in defense as attack made, the presence he had it
was terrifying. Remember two thousand and seven, there was a
Grand Final qualifier at the Telstradome whatever it's called, the
(36:28):
Marvel Stadium down there, Paramatta versus Storm and two was
against Israel and he just tore his role to pieces.
Melbourne won the game, but Timarna was the best player
in the field by mile. I remember at full time
belly A went up and grabbed Timaa because it was
Timara's last game three. He went back to Union just
grabbed him and said, mate, I've fucking never seen a
performance like that before he was.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
He was amazing because like we all like from your time, Matie,
and you know when he started Newcastle he was this
highlight reel on the on on the wing and the
flick passes from kids and all that. By the time
he got to us. I remember twenty ten. Actually there
was a game where Sammy Burgess first year and he
smokes Daniel Mortimer like proper, got him bad and then
(37:10):
and he was our left he was my left edge
half and then Tamarna went after and got Sammy your
beauty in that game. Just there's a bit of a payback, yeah,
because Sammy was a right edge back rower when he
first got avery and then he I think maybe puts
some moret he took it to the line. Sammy smokes
him and then Tomato made sure he got payback for
our age.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
We'll try to find that Jack, We'll try to get
that vision. Is that the Eels in comparison to Manly
You spoke about beers at Manly put on a little
bit of weight. Is it work hard? Play hard? Because
there's so many different cultures of different teams based on
you know, the players you got in and the culture
of the club manly is very much like that. You
train hard, but you get on the beers with all
the boys. Was paramatta like that, No, No, it was opposite.
(37:55):
It was another way around. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Well, the year so that because Steve come from Melbourne
and he was trying to implement the Melbourne way, he's
a lot more detailed. The first year was a little
bit loose, not loose as in probably wasn't as strict
and we enjoyed a beer. Like my first year felt like,
you know, we had some good times and you know,
I'm a rookie and going out and enjoying all that
(38:18):
sort of stuff. Then Steve Kerney arrived and he had
a strict no drinking policy after the game. So no
matter wherever we went, if we traveled, we never went
out and you weren't allowed to have terms. You recover
in the morning, you do recovery, so completely different regime.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
So with that, so not even with that meaning you
go the whole year basically without drinking.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
The whole the whole You could have a drink on
the following day if the schedule allowed it. But he
was pretty like Steve was pretty full.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
I think that can be counteractive.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yeah, yeah, because it's like and letting people know that
rarely do you get seven day eight day turnarounds. When
you do get him, you're like, far, this is awesome.
We can have a beer, which is like if you
play Saturday the following Saturday, so to push it back
another day, you're not allowed to drink after the game.
There'd probably only be three times a year.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Like, we're young too, so we had some rap bags
in the team, well, sneaking away, having.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
A skin feel free to throw on the bus, but.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
We weren't ready. Matur Wren was leading the way. You
can't get in trouble now, so there was a laugh
at it now. Yeah, yeah, there was. There was a
bit of a game where you know, I would break
away and you know then you know, try to test
the rules as much as and and look, you think
you getting away with it too at the time because
you're young, and they know, like they're finding out when
(39:32):
we're sneaking off to the cross or something after a
game when we're not supposed to, and there's a certain
amount of rules. But yeah, that was the rule though,
and and and yeah, those a couple of rough years.
We weren't winning games as well, so as you know,
as you know, sometimes you know, after after a loss,
sometimes you just want to have a schooner and just
(39:54):
get some stuff off your chest and with others.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Sometimes the answer is that the bottom of the of
like a bottle.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Literally Saturday Night Live, a couple of beers.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, Shane Gillis, Shane Gillis the other one a little bump.
Not that we can done that sort of thing, absolutely not, no, no,
But I remember when we were at Melbourne, same thing,
a few rat like we had a little bit of
a rat pack and we go out like, no, you're
(40:25):
not supposed to go out seven day turnaround sometimes, you know,
let's go out six day turnarounds. We're supposed to review
the next day. And we go out. Now stupid to us,
we go to the one place that we're really hooked
up at and that was the Albion in South Melbourne
because Robbie Kerns was part owner of it. So the
Kurrn Dog, we ring the kern Dog. He's at home
having dinner with his family mate. You get us in yeah,
(40:45):
by the Oath boys, like like we thought we were
going to get away with it when we're going to
an old Player's Club who was still employed by the club,
and we'd roll in the next day, all we winking
at each other, like telling stories to the locker room.
We'd go up to the video session and then then
be like, hey, yeah, can I can Coops Munster, Harry Brandon,
Can you guys just stay back as well? And we're going, Oh, ship,
(41:08):
you think.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
You're getting away with it when you're winning too, right,
if you're winning, you think you can sneak in there
and then and then you're just like, there's no way
we're getting away with it. But you're young, naive, You're naive, Yeah,
you don't. You're good too much, good fun.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
So what were the circumstances and going to mamily then?
Were you let go buy eels or do you do?
You just go for it.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
I've got the punt. I got the punt from Sticky,
So join the club, Ricky. Yeah, this is this is
one of my like one of my most famous stories
that I've told on podcasts now over the years. But
we'll pretend like, yeah, first this is the first time
for you guys, so and your audience potentially, but do
you remember the story about Ricky Stewart having the board
(41:48):
up the head projector the projector and it was like
nine names on it, and he's like, you guys, you
know you're not required at the club. Did it all
together in front of the players as well, that where
that was still going to stay at the club, and yeah,
so if you can find another spot, yep, so go
chat to your managers. You're not going to be required
(42:09):
next year probably, I think it was even you can
go as as quickly as you want anyway, So that
was a whole big deal. I was. I was pre board,
so I was. He punted me before he'd even rocked up,
so before he'd got to the club, he had to
get there and see you know, nine or ten players
and figure out all right, I don't want anything to
do that.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
So you were p o G.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
You were pre overhead, pre overhead, pre overhead. So he
just called my manager before it even arrived at the club,
hadn't had a conversation with us, and then goes, look,
he's not he's just going to be playing yourself wells
Cup next year. If you want to find a gig
and all that, then you can you can do that.
So it was a blessing in disguise It worked out
really well for me because I went to Manly. But
there was a period of about two months where because
(42:53):
he was so and I respected that about him now
like whether he meant that for me to to go
on to greener pastures or whatever it was. But because
I got clarity so early on, I could make the
decision go to Manly. It worked out really well for
me in hindsight, went to the Grand Final the next
year after I wouldn't spoon year the year before, so
(43:15):
it gave me the time to sort of plan and
figure it out. But the two months from about maybe
July into October, I didn't have a club, so I
was like every under started back preseason and I wasn't
back doing Like I didn't have a club and I
was going to probably go to Super League early, so
got to figure it out, got to Manly and yeah
(43:36):
it worked out really well.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah right, because Twos was your coach the whole What
about Twos?
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Like how close I was sitting there before the twenty
thirteen Grand Final, you placed leading in a half time. Now,
if you're going to win that game, which looked very likely,
that halftime is by far the better team, Like where
where does twos. What's twos doing now? I mean that
second half. It just shows you how quickly things change.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yeah, even like Brad Arthur right from a couple of
years ago. You know, he gets like different circumstances, he
gets dusted, but then he's gone within a year or two.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
I want to ask you about that scope playing for Paramatter,
do you feel the pressure?
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Probably not to my level, because but I understand I know,
like the top tier guys did I know, like Jared Felder,
obviously he stands out. He was not only an important
player for Paramatter but league wide, especially when I made
that decision to go to the NFL. Now, just because
I guess my level will play like where I stood
(44:34):
in the locker room, I always just knew that like
I was, the pressure for me was fighting to make
the seventeen each week, So I always had that pressure
every week. I didn't really feel any external pressure around
club pressure or anything like that, even though I understood
the history because my dad was a Paramatter, he will
play it too, So I understood the history, but not
the pressure to just sort of live up to any
(44:54):
expectations or the long drought of what parody Matter had
gone through.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
It's the most boom it will bust club in the league.
If you go back certain years, like two thousand and
one they made the Grand Final, they dropped off from
there the golfs one like two thousand and two thousand
and nine and twenty ten, dramatic drop off and we've
we're like twenty twenty two they made the Grand Final
against Penrith and the next two years after that really
(45:19):
again dramatic drop off.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
They miss it the eight and then battling for the
spoon in twenty four. Man, it's crazy how it just
that happens like that. Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
How some sides just maintain and others just golf a cliff.
That's the end of part one, right that, time to
jump over for part two, which I hope you enjoy
every bit as much I know you will.
I'm I'm the most I'm becoming the most organized over data?
Is that right, Dake?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
How many can I'll get on my plate?
Speaker 1 (00:05):
You know what else is on my plate? Bro?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
This is running by the way.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
What about that alarm clock that goes off every morning
on four thirty and keeps up?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I know that I did it for years?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah, I know you don't do it now though?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Did it go off at four thirty this morning? A
little bit later?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
A little bit later? I shouldn't have dog do that.
We're starting to get out. Let's do a big emotional
intro that we do for everyone justin Horror aka Scope
Eels Legend mainly Seagle's Legend media behemoth doing excellent.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Emerging, Yeah, emerging behind the Darth Vader that his dent
and camp.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
But welcome to the potty mate, Thanks boys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Good on your mate?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah yeah, because you know it wasn't an easy drive
over it. You were saying that, and you've invoiced just
for the fuel that you need to come over here.
The tolls, you.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Know, I'll settle for an uppercrust pie. Oh yeah, mate,
that was so. I used to just live around the
corner in my first year of Manly and a freaking
that frequent that a couple of times after a big night.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
How good is that?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
A few beers in the next morning, a Sunday morning. Nothing, Yeah,
what type of pie? What you get? The chicken and
white wine? One?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Oh, white wine?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, I'm a steak, onion and cheese.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I a steak and cheese would be one number two.
I don't hate it, but just nice and simple for
the pie. In saying that chicken and white one probably
not not simple for people, but it was the signature one.
So when I got Overary, everyone told me you've got
to try it, and then obviously it was.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, yeah, letting people know if you want the best pie,
I think in New South Wales, upper crust, the northern but.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
It's got best pie in Australia three years running. Yeah wow,
your suit on the side, I'm sorry, you can't spell.
When you go past the site, the side of the premise.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It does they advertise it. When you go up there
at lunch time like any any day of the week,
still packed mate, line around the corner like literally for
so long, and it's like you've got to get there.
Don't go between eleven thirty and twelve thirty. I'm gonna
tell you something because you like, you'll be line enough
for ages. What else they do? Excellent stuff apple pie
with whipped cream on top of Okay, yeah, yeah, it's seriously.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
If I was going to mix it up spinach and recorder,
I don't want just like a nice spinach and recorder roll.
So that was another option. Sometimes a pie and a spinach. Yeah,
just depend on.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I forgot to carry. I like the carry pies. I've
just got into them, and the paper steak pies. But
carry pies I'm sick for it.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Curry ones are really good. I find it weird that
like we're the only well not the only one, but
we're one of the only countries that really like does
the pie because America don't that you call it to
mining thing a pie in America. It's like that pumpkin
pie and things like that.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
The areas that have had a tradition of coal mining
have pies because the pie originally the pastry that was
just a cover for what's had within the pie when
they go down the coal mines, So it was to
protect whatever was in So back in the day they
would open up the pastry and not in the pastry
just so it's just like a lead inside. It was.
It was basically, yeah, like the lid removes the lid
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and then the contents to protect from the gold the
coal dust.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Really so is there any.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
And then someone along the somewhere along the way, someone
decided this is the whole thing. It's the same with
battered fish. The batter on a fish was to protect
the fish when they went down the mines.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Because New Zealand do good pies too, Yeah, really good,
really good one.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
There.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Will Warbrick when he came over to Storm from New
Zealand used to say, whenever we go get a pie, boys,
and he goes Naji, the pies in New Zealand the
way way better in New Zealand. Just be like grateful
for the pie you're eating right now.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
A lot of Kiwis will back that up, like Kiwi's
that's bakeries and fish and seafood. They're going to claim that.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, they take it personally, they do.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, Will Water. The seventh player for all bakes.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Moses Leo, who's debut A Couples.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Good to see him get a start, Yeah, really good.
The more that come across the more that we'll come across.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
That makes sense, correct, Yeah, yeah, setting a standard.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It's got nothing to do with setting a standard, setting a.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Trend trend exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Mate.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
We had Cheese on the podcast a little bit ago
and we told some good Byron Bay stories. Your name
come up a couple of times because, of course when
we went to Byron Bay after the twenty twenty Grand Final,
you were up there as well with a little crew.
Some good memories. I remember you were up there with
Corey Norman, James c Giaro, Chicko.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Was Chicka, Yes, Chico was there in a different group,
but yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
The same year he was up there and Maddie Moylan.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And Moya so our crew, so Toddy Carney was there
as well, and maybe there was like a Chicko become
really good mates with these boys from Cranella and I
believe one of them was either on their bucks or
something like that going up So me, Normany and moys
that jumped on last minute and just got our own
little place and then we end up running to you
(05:05):
guys and yeah, and then could jump it on the
back end of jumping on.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It was funny, remember we were because it was Melbourne Cup.
It was to remember we were there Melbourne Cup. We
ended up we all bought like blazers, like two dollars
up shot blazers and we went to this pub Drumswick
Hotel or something like that that was and we watched
the Melbourne Cup. We had a massive day and we
come out of the pub and they were remember the
group of homeless people that were sitting there and they
all had instruments. No, they were homeless. They were sitting
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on milk crates that doesn't move.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
They're homeless.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
But we didn't clarify that, did we. But we just
started you just started getting the gate out. You didn't
you grab one of.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
The the guitar with him because Cheese was like, that's
who Cheese running and goes bra there's a group of
homeless people out there and they've got a guitar. And
he knew I played a little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
He goes, let's go.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
So we went out there and we started playing Better
be Home soon a crowded house and.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
For people who haven't got home, I know, for the homeless.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
And remember there was the guy playing like the flute
and all you boys were sitting there in arms seeing
and it was a great night, mate, that was a
great moment, Like, yeah, the day was awesome, but I
remember sitting around. I think I've got it recorded for sure,
I remember. And then and then it not only went
from there. We all got in the van and some
sort of uber system together and we're just bounting out
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songs like oas this Wonder War on the on the
way home. It was Yeah, that was a that was
a good little and yeah, I think it was off
the back of the Melbourne Cup.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So yeah, better be home soon. It should have been
hope to get her home soon.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Well, the rest of us were okay.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Soon.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
But remember normally as well. Jack actually reminded me when
I was when we were talking about Byron storys before this,
I believe did normally like have a bit of an
accident that trip as well, like urinated the bed.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
That's something like and and yeah, that's something normal would
do though, so that doesn't stand out like even though
that's like a story for Byron, potentially that's something he
would be doing. Jackie, you from memory.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
He stayed at our place and we had the double
mattress downstairs. It was a mattress on top of a
lounge that he'd fit on, and I believe he pissed
the He pissed the bed so much that night that
there was actually it went through both mattresses and there
was a puddle of piss underneath the double mattress.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
It was.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
It was awesome.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
That's why I don't remember it, because we'd come over
the next day and I sort of didn't have as
big one as Normy obviously, and you guys and he
crashed at your place, Me and Moyser come over in
the morning to potentially and I remember you were going,
come on, like he's been here for a while. He
wouldn't that homeless crew.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
That was the night that one of my favorite memories
of it, where I was sitting there. It was me, me,
Shandle and Normy and somebody we all our shirts off,
sitting behind like the table, playing music, and somebody go,
I think it was Connor Watson. Connor Watson goes, hey,
look that's Shandor. That's Shandor at twenty one. That's Shandor
at thirty one, pointing to Shandal that and then points
(08:12):
at normal and goes and that's Shandor at forty one
and everyone was laughing. Everyone's laughing and Shandor lent in
to Normy and he goes, I will never not have abs.
Everyone needs to call him because he had normally had
that just notorious pot belly. Yeah mutters, Yeah, it would
have never had a never had a set.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
That's what that's my nickname for him, mutters because the mudguts,
like he was the only one half in the game
that could get away with the mudguts and still play
at a high level.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
There's a field and going around at the mat. It's
a story in the Sport. Oh it's a big one.
It's a magazine associated with the New York Times, and
they explained the dadboard off mahomes. They was saying that
people who Cameron Smith's another one. Yep, he just said
before Normy Cameron Munster. Cameron Munster in the fact that
they said, they're almost like a Swiss army and if
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they can do it, a little bit of everything makes them.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, well, I remember money Munster said when he actually
lost weight and got people found it easier to tackle
it because he was so thick around the gut, like
just from his poor diet habits at the time that
he was actually so hard to like, you know what
it's like to try to wrestle someone. You try to
get double underhooks and then pop the loll back. He
was so thick that you couldn't pop his lower back
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because it was like a lot of belly.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Well, I mean if you look at fighters, if fighters
go down sometimes just a kilo or to lose a
little bit, it gets to a point from fitness to
you start to lose strength.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
So even with the UFC fighters I'm thinking about it now,
is we're talking about like Habiben and Makachev and all
those guys like they're they're not totally ripped, are they
They're really good mauls and wrestlers. But and the other
one with the quarterbacks is there's a Tennessee Titans quarterback
called Will Levice. Yep, he's way too ripped his mechanics
and that it doesn't suit it.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
So Brock Jarvis when he was fighting, like Thurman said,
but he's before the fight, Keith Thurman said, he's too repped.
He's got too much muscle, he can't move. And yeah,
it's interesting, we said I seen one before. What was
it when we're talking about something coup you said something before.
I'm trying to think NFL might have been NFL. And
we'll come back to you're.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Talking about money. He's talking about money.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
In the underreap, we're sort of peace in this rule.
What are you talking about a little bit? It was
worthwhile saying, but I just forget what it was. I
just continue true Deli True Evans before we talk about
his current plight. Daily's wedding. It seems to be that
seems to be sort of the point that's almost the
(10:38):
pebble in the pond, that where the reverberation started. A
certain mc they're pointing out that gez des Hazle is here,
but not Anthony Seuerbold and certainly not Tony mess I reckon.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
He's brought this up on every podcast the last four weeks.
He's relentless.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
A lot of people have been bringing it up with
me because of the relationship as well, so a lot
of people have been trying to get information you were
outstanding to by the way, and Jack you clipping up
that the pod you did with Brad Parker about me
dressing to go to Warfie. So many people sent me
that little Luki Stowe sent me that originally and I
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had a good laugh.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
You kept an unnecessary astray there, Yeah, because you were dressed. Look,
you weren't in a standard suit. You were dressed like
you were going to Warfie. But I don't think Parks
was referring to you when he was trying to throw
you under the bus.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I know, loocause you're going after him and he's trying
to deflect, so he's trying to deflect away. So there
was me and a couple of the Islander boys, Sipley
and Perseco. We were a little bit more underdressed than others.
But Jackie, I know you're behind it. You put it
in the clip that you're me money in chairs and
they're in a bag of fruit as well. They're looking
the mickey and I'm standing there looking like I'm going
(11:45):
to walk next.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
For what fit for what? That's what I was going
to say. You know, people aren't ripped. It's like, I mean,
what is fitness fit for what? So if you can
play rugby league, if fits for rugby league, you fit
for UFC, you're fit for running four hundred meter. They're
all different. Yeah, Hence let's continue for instance, have you
ever been the peaky of powers when you're playing rugby
league and you're fit for rugby league, but then you
(12:11):
walk up a set of stairs with your wife and
she's fine and you're exhausted.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, yeah, you know what fit for what I was
actually thinking, I didn't know where you were going. Without
the start, I thought, well, I we'll cut this out.
But I do understand what you talk about now, because
I was thinking about this yesterday. You went from Paramatta
to Manly, which we're going to get into. But every
rugby league team they all train hard, but they all
kind of do different drills which are kind of hard.
I remember going from Melbourne, who trained really really hard,
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but then going to Manly, who train very hard as well,
but the running type of stuff they do more long
distance stuff, and it felt like even though I was
fit from my time in Melbourne, it felt like I
was like seventeen again shit fitness because it was just
my body was not fit for that kind of running.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It was completely different because we had Steve Kerney and
Brad Arthur from Melbourne, so we trained you guys. They
were trying to implement that Paramatta when I was there,
so it it took a massive adjustment, Like the training
was completely different at Manly. But the one thing I
sort of remember from from that time is we would
getting sort of similar to what you're saying about money.
(13:15):
I would have been about a Paramatta about ninety five
ninety six kilos during the Kearney and when Brad Darthur
took over, because we would we would just you know,
those wrestle sessions. They found a shed out at Paramatta
that they tried to replicate what Melbourne had been doing. Yeah,
it was a really high intensity sort of setup. And
then when I got to Manly, like we trained hard,
(13:37):
but everyone loves the skin up and it's like the
older boys had the runs on the board. So like,
especially during my time keep before you got there, it
was the older boys. Yeah, the older boys would come
in three days a week in pre season, which I loved,
but whenever they come in the intensity of those sessions
would be top tier. And then us younger guys we
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would try five days a week like normal. But you know,
it's just completely different. Like Donnie knew, Donnie Sinch and
Jeff Twovy and that they knew that they had the
runs on the board, so it was it was tweaked
a little bit different to suit more of the older boys,
and then I imagine like it would have changed the
regime change and was Donnie still around when Donnie moved on?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, he's moved on. Yeah, that's so funny that you
say that. I can't believe that they so how many
of the boys would only come in three times? So
that's from November.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
To what till December? After Christmas? Yeah, everyone would start
back together, so Monday TOOS Monday, Wednesday Friday would be
the Sessions day rock up and then obviously all the
rest of us do Tuesday on Thursday. But that was
Brett Glenn, Steve Matdeye, Anthony Walmo, Jamie Lyon. This is
this is like a couple of years. Maybe Chucky was
(14:48):
playing Australian in the Australian team, so we didn't even
see him at all. Jason King, Brent Kyte, Maddy Ballen.
So there was a large portion that's half your first
guard to me. Yeah. Yeah. But so because Donnie gave
them the freedom, a lot of them would still turn
up on the Tuesday and Thursday and going the gym
and just do their own stuff. They'd be visible. They
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might come in do a little morning session and take off,
but they could they had the runs on the board,
and we knew, like Donnie knew that he wasn't They
weren't going to let him down on the field. Then
we'll just rip in and Tuesdays and Thursdays would be
a bit of a downer. But Monday, Wednesday, Friday was
the mickey, like we would all be up and yeah
they'd be and they'd be flying, and yeah, we got
to we've got the best out of it.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
It's interesting to say about that about when Blake's got
the runs on the board or yeah, the muscle memory.
They've been training for a long long time. I remember
at Melbourne's Alex Corvo, who was the strength conditioner there
for a long time, he was saying when they would
bring young players in from coming down from Brisbane or
wherever is, that they would train them in high volume
in the weight room, so'd be like five sets to
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sixteen slow and things like that, and he said what
it was about was building your base so that when
they're at the club for five six years, they can
come back in mid January putting those in the clock. Now,
but it's really interesting when you blokes are talking about
that different ways of training. One of the big mysteries
when I was coming through was that you could run
four hundreds, eight hundreds, two hundreds, you know, ten one
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hundreds all pre season, NonStop. You could be fit as
you've ever been, But as soon as you get on
out on the field, you knack it. And we used
to say, right, what is match fitness? Well, match fitness
is wrestling a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Isn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah, Like it just wasn't done really in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
And even now, like even it doesn't matter how big
your preseason is. Now come trial game one, Like, no
matter how much wrestling you do, how much running, you're
still so gassed. Obviously they do it because it helps
like prepare your body for a big season. It stops
injury prevention and things like that. But nothing like that.
There is no training you can do that replicates gets
your match fitness up.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
The Wigan boys when we're at Wigan, there are a
couple of the blokes that used to go to this
legendary place in We're going to do some wrestling. It
was called the snake Pit, and they called it that.
There was a bloke who was a really legendary trainer there,
and the bridge Wich Bulldogs would be there sometimes, David
boy Smith from the British Bullets. It was a wiganer
they reckon. They went in there once and Brett Hart
was in there. So yeah, a few of the boys
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used to go and train in that place. It sounds
sounded to me a little hardcore. You know, you wouldn't really, Yeah,
it was probably pretty hard core.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I don't know what you're alluding to. I'm not talking about.
I'm not talking about, you know, wrestling where get your
hooks in. I'm talking about you know, bloke's getting held
in in certain holes and screaming.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Oh god.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
The current manly side. Would you consider yourself a manly
Are you a manly fan or a paramount of fan?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Spent three three three three split of them, probably more
mainly because we had more success there.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
What I wanted to ask you, because this year is
started phenomenally. You're a former back roller for the mainly
Seagulls played. You've played off chairs perform just only slightly different,
only slightly different. Still, you broke as many tackles as him.
Audio thoughts on the Big Fail because he's got every
string to his bow.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, I love it. I remember when he first hit
the scene. You know, could only you know, last thirty
or forty minutes before the big fellow gas out, which
is understandable. But he's you know, he's really developed into
a proper eighty minute back row who can be just
as effective at the start of the game as he
is at the back end. Now you look at that
on the weekend when he it's the you know, the
(18:25):
the losing by a fair beer sixty five minute chez
I think throws him aboard just nothing doing bang wushka,
fine sabi and puts him away like a couple of
the back rollers now in the competition on the other side,
Ali Katoa, Villiarmi kickl on the left.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, even like Jake Preston.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah, he's a weapon.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
He could play, but not not the mold of that Katoa.
And but he's smart to know how Yeah yeah, but
just goes hard to like. But Amole, I feel like
this year he's got he's got a work rate that
he hasn't had the ye's gone. He's always been a
game breaker, but you've seen the first few rounds like
his defensive efforts like he's he's not it's not just
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blokes running at him and he's flogging him like he's
chasing blokes and like just blokes are running sideways backwards
get away from him.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah. I thought a really good sign in the off
season was when they promoted him to vice captain or
part of the leadership group. So it must have shown
how much work he's put in over the last couple
of years under Seves and he must have had I'd
imagine it would have been disrupted did he play for Tonga,
he would have. Yeah, so he must have had a
really good January February gone into the season because that
was announced, And yeah, a great sign for Hemole and
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chairs on that right. Edgewall currently.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
The rooster, but he not love with I look at Himlee,
and I think to myself, like at the moment, it's
feed to Malee early. He wants the ball early. But
for him, if he takes that next step in his
career and actually starts to take a leaf out of
say Preston or Britain Nicker's book and actually start to
whack mate, honestly, he's unstoppable. Like you saw the difference
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a few years ago with David Feeder operating on that left,
and he was a player just like, oh, give me
the ball early, and then all of a sudden he
had a really good twelve months because he had Kieran
foran teaching about the science of the game, you know,
and that's that's like Preston, Jacob Preston. Would he survive
if he just kept getting the ball early? You know? Maybe,
but would he be as good to play it? No
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way in the world. It's learning that sort of science
of the game with a lot of players. It's next step.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, how much did like you've played with Chas, how
much of an impact does Chess have for his back rollers?
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Because I imagine it was tough. I really struggled because
I started with Kieren on the left, so when I
was on the left, Kieran as you know, like it
was krying it there as well for us here.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
He just got to the Titans. H have some salary
cap for me.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Big money signing from the Dylan Brown of Manly. Fozzy
was so detailed prepared before games and then would even
just see cues as the game was on flowing, so
he might tell me becuzzy you're going to be getting
it mad He get it, Maddi's inside shoulder. A couple
of plays before we're going to I want you to
lay that line, but we've got something else coming to
the right. So I was like, always had a plan
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with fozz with chairs. There was none of that, and
that was maybe it's changed over time. He's probably got
better better at over the years, but I used to
just have to react. And there was a couple of
games we were really struggling, so Tubs and Dave Penner,
where he was the assistant coach, He's like, here, you're
going on the right and I said, oh, yeah, no,
(21:31):
it's just trying to figure it out, but yeah, we'll
get there. And they said, oh, well it's not working.
We're going to flick your back over to the left.
So I spent some time back on the left, and
then out of necessity, i'd actually been sort of just
fell out of favor a little bit in fifteen, and
then in order to get myself back in the team,
I had to play on the right. And I actually
ended up fitting finishing twenty fifteen really good with him,
(21:54):
because I started to realize, all right, you just got
to be ready for everything. It's not. It's not like
Fozz so his mannerisms and and you know he'd start
sharp as he looks like he's about to tack in
behind the markers, but then he'd kick out. All right,
So now I'm dropping under. Just little things like that
I got, I had to get better at. And it's
a little bit different, like I said, a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
With Yeah, I always found that. I found that very
surprising when I got to mainly like for someone who
you know, played Australia, played Origin, Chez wasn't a big
like of community, a communicator for what he was going
to do. He was just so off the cuff and
it was like you the players around him need to
know what he's going to do. Like he's still very
much like that, Like you know, he would just float
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and he's so good. He's got such a good iq
of just reacting to the defense, which a lot of
people don't. Munster's got that. Remember when Trent le Aero
first went into first grade, he played on the left
edge with Munster and they really struggled for the year
because Trent was someone that needed to know like I'll
do whatever you tell me, but I need to know,
like what you need to tell me, and Money go yeah, yah,
(22:59):
sweet and wouldn't tell anything and then just take off, yeah,
and then just take off and like he just do.
We used to call it mun ball, which is like
only not even mone knows what he's doing, So how's
the defense going to know? But then Train obviously moved
into the middle and he was like, oh, I found
my game. So it benefited me so much more because
in the middle it's so stocked, standard structured. But you
(23:19):
see Sean Blaher on that left edge. Now he's very
good at reacting to what Money does.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Well, that's what makes a great combination, isn't it. Like
if you look at Chairs and Kieran. You've got Kieran
who can set structure up and tell you who's getting
to it and be really thorough. And then on the
other side of the field you got a wild a
maverick who just jumps around. You can find that happy
you meet him in Melbourne twenty seventeen. He had Cooper
Krank operating around the field and you had Munster who
was just playing completely on instinct. It's a great combination.
(23:47):
Otherwise you've got two halves here trying to play halfback.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
That's why. So before I moved over there, that was
the year that Gift he had moved on Glenn Stewart.
So Glenn Steward and Jamie Lyon that was his right
edge to begin his career. They're just out and out
footy players. Yes, Like I've seen you talk about him
before Matty in years past. Like they were just really
like top tier park footy players. You know, they play
exactly what's in front of him. So like Glenn Stewart
(24:11):
had a few moves that he would work each game,
but off you know, those three on that right edge,
whatever they've seen and if it was if they got numbers,
it didn't it didn't matter. No one had to felt
like they didn't have to say anything and they were
just in sync and they'll just take like they'll just
go after it mate.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I mean, it was so good for Dali when he
got in there. You have for Blake's a great running game.
I have the advantage line, you know, dip out if
he likes what he sees, take him on if he
doesn't feed Glenn early, Yep, it's a great way.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Glenn would just sit there. We used to have a playoff.
What was called still maybe something like Freshly short side
fresh or something. We used to sit there and imagine
they've changed the name now. Glenn would sit there three
on three and then you know, if he got three
on three or even two, like they're taking it, but
he'd just go, Chess, let's go. And then Chess would
just start ripping from the open side of the plate
(24:59):
down the short side, and then I just crowded. And
then you know that silky little play that used to
do at the back of the center that was just
always off the calf. That wasn't that was never planned really,
that was just whatever Gifty saying did.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Imagine like when you're doing edge v edge of training,
if you're on the left edge defending those four was
that just a nightmare?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
It was the best. Like that's why improved so much
in thirteen and fourteen, Like I just learned how to
play like rugby league, even though I couldn't execute the
same as what those those guys did. It was just
learning the game. So like there was and the battle
between Stevie Mattowe and Jamie Lyon, they used to be
really competitive against each other. So training, you know, I
(25:40):
always say this all the time, like training sessions were
harder than games. Sometimes wow, Like it was just on
and it was a great environment and I'd just be
observing everything and just trying to you know, I try
to do those moooths. I said, you enjoy a little
short side fresh of this week and you get like
(26:01):
just put it in the back pocket, even the tools. Yeah,
just from me inside three men.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Look at Jamie Lyne. I haven't seen many more pure
footballers than killer. I mean you're talking about dad, like
James Draham. I've said before it turned up when he
turned up a Saint Helen's from we wore they went
look at this blog and they did fitness and he
was so far behind everyone. But as soon as the
ball hit his hands over her and went sheesus Christy with.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
This bloke played against him for a couple of years
before we got there. He's a player that I didn't
appreciate enough until I got there. Just a really good
gym and really good locker room guy. He's obviously our skipper,
but just yeah, he dusted us up so much on
that left first right, just training, just doing little moves
and subtleties that you're just like, wow, Like I got
to see it every pretty much every week.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
You know what about the market at the moment we're
talking about this before the podcast, and you know, like
the DCE situation, which we've spoken about, don't I spoke
to you a bit. It's when we're on the radio
to say, there are so few quality pure number seven's
out there that I thought there is no way that
mainly are going to allow him to wander out the
(27:08):
door if someone pinch him. And now what the Dylan
Brown contractor has done to the rest of the market
suddenly got locky Galvin, some people saying five years, a
million dollars a year lock He must be going Jesus,
I could just sit on my ars and my price
is going to go up. And then you've got a
little bit of a story. The Fletch said to me,
as we're recording this just recently on Isaiah Atoa. That
(27:29):
might be proven wrong as this is put out, but
talk that he's unsettled at the Dolphins, well, the reason
he's unsettled just to say his managers had to look
at the money going around and thought to himself, mate,
I could probably get one point three A mean one
point three million a year for Isaiah.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, yeah, especially because I've seen the clip when you're
talking to Fletch about it. He just did his deal too,
So there might be a little bit of frustration from
not only the players if they've just got a deal
done because of the Dylan Brown situation, but even the
manager's gone Jesus could have put it a little bit
more or how can we figure out a way to
(28:04):
sort of get this reupt.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Because he is a player. They just can't let go
no Dolphins, so they have to find any means possible
to keep him in that club.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, you look at the hearts coming through in the
next five years when your Chess's and that sort of
the leaders that are in there now, Monster's hues he
come towards the end, it's Katowa Galvant like, they're going
to be the next you know, they're going to be
the next Origin Stars. And if you don't retain those blokes,
now there's going to be They're going to be in
a world I heard for ten years who is playing
(28:34):
against them?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
But you know, on the manly situation again with DC,
what has confirmed probably the madness of letting him go
is have a look at the difference and this guy
is not a seven, but he's a clever player operates
in the middle of the field. Have look at the
difference that Dylan Walker made when he came on the
field the other day from Aramund. Immediately he got into
that middle field, he alleviated the pressure off Hawkins and
(28:56):
Dylan Brown and make his past selection. Everything changed, the
tempo of their attackers went through the roof. That's purely experienced.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah, yeah, he's a free Dan Brown end up running
about eighteen times off the back of that.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Didn't he make You just saw the difference scope because
he just took the pressure of him as far as
decision making and pushing the side around the park.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Hey, going back to let's go back to into your
VID of your career for a sec. Started a paramount
up some of the players that you played with, because
the I think the skipper when you were there was
Matthew's colleague Nathan hein Marsh.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
The first year was Kaylo Nathan Caylis and then Heindi
eleven twelve.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
What was because Heindi is a Matthew, He's a look
he was an outstanding player three hundred gamer, but his
personality I find he would have been a very strange
sort of captain mate.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I was always all right with Heindi. For some reason,
he was hard on younger guys, like he was a
bit of an old school.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Very old school guy.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, and he tries to keep it up now on
the show sometimes with players. I don't know how to
explain it. I don't know, because I'd spent a lot
of similar to you guys, Coop and Jack, because you
spend a lot of time around n ROL players. Because
of my dad playing first grade, I probably didn't get
as star struck early on that which some players go
(30:14):
through when they you know, when they start off, they
can be a bit tentative. So yeah, I never really
felt like that with Heindy, but I used to see
him sometimes. He used to put it on and and
you know, he's the sort of guy to you know,
might put someone on show but then give you a
wink like when they walk past and all that sort
of stuff. But yeah, he was mad. He was good.
(30:34):
He was good. He was at the back end, a
legend of the club. What's that that old award when
it was like the fans voted.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
For him every single year, like he hated it getting
club into They did not.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Like it because then you know it was like, yeah,
the nicest guy in the w Ward basically in which
he was like he was, you know, he was a legend.
He was really good to the fans. Unreal player. You know,
the Premiership thing sucks for him, but you know he
did everything else. But yeah, he was. He was good.
I got I got along with him some of the
other boys. You know, I took a little bit to
(31:12):
get used to Haindi, but I was always We used
to sit next to each other in the in the
auditorium and we do like video sessions and that, and
he says tell these like shitty little jokes. Weren't funny.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
He's not funny.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
It was not funny at all. But I'd laugh at
how awkward it was, because you know, he's a three
hundred game, he's an origin player, trying to get on
his good side. He's trying to be quirky. And then
it would just get crickets and I would just be going.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, like there's quirky, and there's quirky. That's doubly quirky
when you're sitting in there yard. God, that's not even funny.
Here's the strangest opendons on things sometimes. Mind it. We'll
get there on the show and he'll just say something
before and I'll say, do you really mean that?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, I said, mate, that's that's that's fair enough. Just
go with it. It was a negative.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
One was Jared Haynes was he was there, a young
Jared Haynes there as.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Well with you Hainsey. So me and Haines were really
close because we went to school together. And then also
he lived with my family, so my parents were house
parents with Paramatta for a six year period and when
Hainesy first hit first grade, he was living in Campbelltown
with his mother and it was too far to travel,
so they moved him in with our family, and yeah,
(32:24):
he went on that crazy run he moved. So he
lived two thousand and seven and eight with us and
then O nine was the.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
D M Ye yeah, yeah right, that was incredible nine
watching him at start of that year. Dean Leanson played
him at six. I believe he was playing him at six,
And we commentated a game one night and like scope,
he was uninterested, like he was standing out there like
I've been watching the game. Game, mate, look at the talent.
This guy is completely wasting the talent that God gave him.
(32:52):
And then they moved him back to fullback halfway through
the season. Jesus tear. What you talk about greatest runs?
He Calen Pong, Barber, Ben Barber, Tommy Turbo and I
think I think that is the greatest run I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Yeah, yeah, if you go maybe probably further in the
year than Turbo because it was like a ten week
period with ains, right, Like the start of that year
was pretty bad. Like I was in the full time
squad at that time, so like people forget the start
of the year, how the form was and probably you
know what you're alluding to there, Maddy, But when he
went on that run, that was there's probably no I
(33:27):
haven't seen anything like that in my footy career. The
energy around, like the crowds, you know, the one, the
one that stands out is to the prelim final against
the Bulldogs. That's the best atmosphere I've ever been involved in.
And I wasn't even a player. I was just part
of the squad at the time, so we all would
get to you know, it's like you get you get
tickets and you sit there and I remember looking around,
(33:49):
I think it felt like it was one hundred thousand.
I don't have to they brought it in by that
stage at the call, but it was Bulldogs first Paramatta
to go onto the Grand Final and it was electric
and incredible. And that was the backer then and.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
D of the run of what hang fiery team like
the fans of those two clubs are as fire as
you get.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Well, the Roosters at that point that week brought over
a young South African kid. He was a fullback and
they were trying to they were going to sign him,
and I remember I was talking to Peter. It was
Peter Solom and Bryan Smith at the time, and they
brought him over here to just have a look and say, mate,
run through some drills and we'll see what you think.
And I said, oh, you know, you could see his
(34:27):
very talent kid. Then they said we're going to what
we're going to do tonight. We're going to take him
to the Paramatta versus the Bulldogs and just tell him,
I mate, this is just a normal game. Well it
did the reverse. He went there with the nature of
the crowd, how hostile it was, and then this type
of game it was and when there's no fucking way
I'm signing, I'm not sign I'm not signing. I'm going
(34:48):
to need this game.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, because you and you and dad actually shared a
teammate crossing roads Tamana tahu Oh Yeah, yeah, yeah, man,
I was looking when I was looking at that squad,
but T would have been in the back end of
his career there.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
He was the opposite behind you. He was really welcoming
to all the young Easter. I felt like T went
out of his way to make sure we all felt comfortable.
And that sounds a baud if you just listening to
the body now, but like there's a quirky side to
what haines. He was in that old school manner, but
I think T wanted to make sure, especially maybe being
(35:23):
Kiwi as well, that was maybe a factor. But yeah,
T was awesome, and I was very lucky because I
went from Tamaara to Steve Maddeye in the centers and
I was a back roller and I played on their edge,
so there was a certain level of protection that I
felt when I played with those two. But T was
(35:43):
unreal and then we had a pretty cool moment. They
must have got him back in twenty ten because then
we played in the New Zealand Maltis together at the
end of the year in an exhibition game and he
was our captain. He was our co captain. Him and
Clinton Torpy had never played for the New Multi before
but at the back end of their career and they
wanted to represent that side of their family. So yeah,
(36:06):
that would have been twenty ten.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Were talking about the good players there. Clinton Torby was
some sort of player, but Timmarna like just just freakish.
The presence he had on his edge. Now when he
really matured as a player and he became as good
in defense as attack made, the presence he had it
was terrifying. Remember two thousand and seven, there was a
Grand Final qualifier at the Telstradome whatever it's called, the
(36:28):
Marvel Stadium down there, Paramatta versus Storm and two was
against Israel and he just tore his role to pieces.
Melbourne won the game, but Timarna was the best player
in the field by mile. I remember at full time
belly A went up and grabbed Timaa because it was
Timara's last game three. He went back to Union just
grabbed him and said, mate, I've fucking never seen a
performance like that before he was.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
He was amazing because like we all like from your time, Matie,
and you know when he started Newcastle he was this
highlight reel on the on on the wing and the
flick passes from kids and all that. By the time
he got to us. I remember twenty ten. Actually there
was a game where Sammy Burgess first year and he
smokes Daniel Mortimer like proper, got him bad and then
(37:10):
and he was our left he was my left edge
half and then Tamarna went after and got Sammy your
beauty in that game. Just there's a bit of a payback, yeah,
because Sammy was a right edge back rower when he
first got avery and then he I think maybe puts
some moret he took it to the line. Sammy smokes
him and then Tomato made sure he got payback for
our age.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
We'll try to find that Jack, We'll try to get
that vision. Is that the Eels in comparison to Manly
You spoke about beers at Manly put on a little
bit of weight. Is it work hard? Play hard? Because
there's so many different cultures of different teams based on
you know, the players you got in and the culture
of the club manly is very much like that. You
train hard, but you get on the beers with all
the boys. Was paramatta like that, No, No, it was opposite.
(37:55):
It was another way around. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Well, the year so that because Steve come from Melbourne
and he was trying to implement the Melbourne way, he's
a lot more detailed. The first year was a little
bit loose, not loose as in probably wasn't as strict
and we enjoyed a beer. Like my first year felt like,
you know, we had some good times and you know,
I'm a rookie and going out and enjoying all that
(38:18):
sort of stuff. Then Steve Kerney arrived and he had
a strict no drinking policy after the game. So no
matter wherever we went, if we traveled, we never went
out and you weren't allowed to have terms. You recover
in the morning, you do recovery, so completely different regime.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
So with that, so not even with that meaning you
go the whole year basically without drinking.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
The whole the whole You could have a drink on
the following day if the schedule allowed it. But he
was pretty like Steve was pretty full.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
I think that can be counteractive.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yeah, yeah, because it's like and letting people know that
rarely do you get seven day eight day turnarounds. When
you do get him, you're like, far, this is awesome.
We can have a beer, which is like if you
play Saturday the following Saturday, so to push it back
another day, you're not allowed to drink after the game.
There'd probably only be three times a year.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Like, we're young too, so we had some rap bags
in the team, well, sneaking away, having.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
A skin feel free to throw on the bus, but.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
We weren't ready. Matur Wren was leading the way. You
can't get in trouble now, so there was a laugh
at it now. Yeah, yeah, there was. There was a
bit of a game where you know, I would break
away and you know then you know, try to test
the rules as much as and and look, you think
you getting away with it too at the time because
you're young, and they know, like they're finding out when
(39:32):
we're sneaking off to the cross or something after a
game when we're not supposed to, and there's a certain
amount of rules. But yeah, that was the rule though,
and and and yeah, those a couple of rough years.
We weren't winning games as well, so as you know,
as you know, sometimes you know, after after a loss,
sometimes you just want to have a schooner and just
(39:54):
get some stuff off your chest and with others.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Sometimes the answer is that the bottom of the of
like a bottle.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Literally Saturday Night Live, a couple of beers.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, Shane Gillis, Shane Gillis the other one a little bump.
Not that we can done that sort of thing, absolutely not, no, no,
But I remember when we were at Melbourne, same thing,
a few rat like we had a little bit of
a rat pack and we go out like, no, you're
(40:25):
not supposed to go out seven day turnaround sometimes, you know,
let's go out six day turnarounds. We're supposed to review
the next day. And we go out. Now stupid to us,
we go to the one place that we're really hooked
up at and that was the Albion in South Melbourne
because Robbie Kerns was part owner of it. So the
Kurrn Dog, we ring the kern Dog. He's at home
having dinner with his family mate. You get us in yeah,
(40:45):
by the Oath boys, like like we thought we were
going to get away with it when we're going to
an old Player's Club who was still employed by the club,
and we'd roll in the next day, all we winking
at each other, like telling stories to the locker room.
We'd go up to the video session and then then
be like, hey, yeah, can I can Coops Munster, Harry Brandon,
Can you guys just stay back as well? And we're going, Oh, ship,
(41:08):
you think.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
You're getting away with it when you're winning too, right,
if you're winning, you think you can sneak in there
and then and then you're just like, there's no way
we're getting away with it. But you're young, naive, You're naive, Yeah,
you don't. You're good too much, good fun.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
So what were the circumstances and going to mamily then?
Were you let go buy eels or do you do?
You just go for it.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
I've got the punt. I got the punt from Sticky,
So join the club, Ricky. Yeah, this is this is
one of my like one of my most famous stories
that I've told on podcasts now over the years. But
we'll pretend like, yeah, first this is the first time
for you guys, so and your audience potentially, but do
you remember the story about Ricky Stewart having the board
(41:48):
up the head projector the projector and it was like
nine names on it, and he's like, you guys, you
know you're not required at the club. Did it all
together in front of the players as well, that where
that was still going to stay at the club, and yeah,
so if you can find another spot, yep, so go
chat to your managers. You're not going to be required
(42:09):
next year probably, I think it was even you can
go as as quickly as you want anyway, So that
was a whole big deal. I was. I was pre board,
so I was. He punted me before he'd even rocked up,
so before he'd got to the club, he had to
get there and see you know, nine or ten players
and figure out all right, I don't want anything to
do that.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
So you were p o G.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
You were pre overhead, pre overhead, pre overhead. So he
just called my manager before it even arrived at the club,
hadn't had a conversation with us, and then goes, look,
he's not he's just going to be playing yourself wells
Cup next year. If you want to find a gig
and all that, then you can you can do that.
So it was a blessing in disguise It worked out
really well for me because I went to Manly. But
there was a period of about two months where because
(42:53):
he was so and I respected that about him now
like whether he meant that for me to to go
on to greener pastures or whatever it was. But because
I got clarity so early on, I could make the
decision go to Manly. It worked out really well for
me in hindsight, went to the Grand Final the next
year after I wouldn't spoon year the year before, so
(43:15):
it gave me the time to sort of plan and
figure it out. But the two months from about maybe
July into October, I didn't have a club, so I
was like every under started back preseason and I wasn't
back doing Like I didn't have a club and I
was going to probably go to Super League early, so
got to figure it out, got to Manly and yeah
(43:36):
it worked out really well.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah right, because Twos was your coach the whole What
about Twos?
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Like how close I was sitting there before the twenty
thirteen Grand Final, you placed leading in a half time. Now,
if you're going to win that game, which looked very likely,
that halftime is by far the better team, Like where
where does twos. What's twos doing now? I mean that
second half. It just shows you how quickly things change.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yeah, even like Brad Arthur right from a couple of
years ago. You know, he gets like different circumstances, he
gets dusted, but then he's gone within a year or two.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
I want to ask you about that scope playing for Paramatter,
do you feel the pressure?
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Probably not to my level, because but I understand I know,
like the top tier guys did I know, like Jared Felder,
obviously he stands out. He was not only an important
player for Paramatter but league wide, especially when I made
that decision to go to the NFL. Now, just because
I guess my level will play like where I stood
(44:34):
in the locker room, I always just knew that like
I was, the pressure for me was fighting to make
the seventeen each week, So I always had that pressure
every week. I didn't really feel any external pressure around
club pressure or anything like that, even though I understood
the history because my dad was a Paramatter, he will
play it too, So I understood the history, but not
the pressure to just sort of live up to any
(44:54):
expectations or the long drought of what parody Matter had
gone through.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
It's the most boom it will bust club in the league.
If you go back certain years, like two thousand and
one they made the Grand Final, they dropped off from
there the golfs one like two thousand and two thousand
and nine and twenty ten, dramatic drop off and we've
we're like twenty twenty two they made the Grand Final
against Penrith and the next two years after that really
(45:19):
again dramatic drop off.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
They miss it the eight and then battling for the
spoon in twenty four. Man, it's crazy how it just
that happens like that. Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
How some sides just maintain and others just golf a cliff.
That's the end of part one, right that, time to
jump over for part two, which I hope you enjoy
every bit as much I know you will.
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Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.