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December 18, 2025 • 40 mins

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh my gosh, he's noses or it doesn't stay like that.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Oh wow, look at it.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
That's the ghost of Christmas future little alcohome.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
You're very cute. You know those those people who drink
too much get red nose alcohol.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Know the blue noses sometimes too.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's all the vein alcoholics do.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yeah, yeah, they got that, you know, the big nose
and RSL tean.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
RSL RSL Tan's real.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
That's right. It's the reflection. It's the lovely reflection you
get from the from the led lights onto the poke
machine shower.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
I've actually looked into it working in parts. You get
more u VS from the keynot screens, do.

Speaker 5 (00:38):
You You don't get uvs from Tino screens. It is
the stupidest thing I've ever heard. That's like saying, sit
in front of your TV and you get some burnt well.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
The fact that you've responded to that show you the
level of your intelligence.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
No, I think he is. I like his argument.

Speaker 5 (00:56):
Thank you from you.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
We're getting study.

Speaker 6 (00:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
Ye, all girls and boys, Merry Christmas, Ladies in general.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Merry Christmas, drive safely primarily everyone doriage. Oh it's the
least you know, what doesn't matter if you like, just
take your time to get there. Let's start with the
worst Christmas song, because this was something we heard traveling
through Ireland, very entertaining DJ.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
This bloke goes, well, Merry Christmas too, You're going to
play all the Christmas cheer and all the songs, but
there is one song I won't be playing. And he goes,
remember the band Good Charlotte, And I go, oh no,
I've got the good and good guys and you know,
good music, and he goes, have a listen to this.
I never They did a cover of Fairy Tales New

(01:43):
York and punk version of fairy Tales New York, which
didn't sound it's horrific, and the guy's going can you
believe it? Anyway, they go and the boys are the
n y PD choir still singing Galway Bay, and he.

Speaker 7 (01:56):
Goes, he goes Galway Bay, gal Baby, Yeah, tosses it's
away Bay and then it goes like Americans and he
been done a goal.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Actually it has done a goal and they go, wow, awesome. Anyway,
so that's probably one of them.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, and you know the other one, the killers do one.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
His voice just does not lend itself to the Spirit
of Christmas.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
You know, oh mabe, he's very litigious man Brandon.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Flowers, you know, but that sort of drawn out whiny
yet it doesn't want.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
To come up with this list? Okay, where do we
sit on all we want? Where do we all sit on?

Speaker 8 (02:41):
What?

Speaker 5 (02:42):
Exactly is the question?

Speaker 3 (02:42):
All I Want for Christmas? What do you sit?

Speaker 5 (02:44):
I like All I Want for Christmas?

Speaker 3 (02:46):
It is a great song.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
I think it's the best. Like I like Fairy Tales
of New York at that, but All I Want for
Christmas and Last Christmas by Whem. I think that.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
My personal favorite is Driving Home for Christmas. Chris read.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
You always say that I hate it for Christmas. Shit,
I love you always play it like in Christmas Hill
downstairs cleaning or doing something.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
It makes me happy.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
It lacks a bit of punch.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
We know why too. For me, it's particularly poignant because
as a kid, Christmas for me was sitting at the
front fence waiting for everyone to come home from Sydney. Yeah, like,
so they were all driving home. So I was just
waiting and waiting and waiting for my older brothers and sisters.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Jack, you're going to go.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
I didn't choose a song I went with an entire artist.
I went with Danny Elfman. Now do you know who
Danny Elfman is? Some themes for like a lot of
Tim Burton movies, all the original Batman, Yeah, and then
The Nightmare Before Christmas. He did a lot of those themes.
Now it's not so much.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
About the music. The music is quite good.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
It's more around him. This popped up on Disney's Instagram
the other day. I'm going to give you a reaction.
I'll chuck it up on the YouTube and you listen
to the audio. This is what Disney posted of Danny
Elfman to pretty much promote The Nightmare before Christmas for
Disney Plus.

Speaker 6 (04:06):
Are you ready for this?

Speaker 3 (04:08):
I'm Danny Elfman and this is the twenty three second challion.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
You have twenty three seconds to tell us the plot
of Tim Burtons The Nightmare before Christmas.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Jax Killing is a King of Halloweenland.

Speaker 6 (04:21):
He is pulled into a magical tree and inserted strangely
into Christmas Town.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
He decides it's so wonderful.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Do we think that is a great way to promote
The Nightmare Before Christmas?

Speaker 5 (04:35):
Did we think does that even deserve to be on
the podcast? That's good, Okay, I just want to because
it might be just me.

Speaker 6 (04:43):
Right.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
At what point during Jack playing that, did you think,
what the hell are we watching?

Speaker 1 (04:49):
I'm watching the countdown thinking how much more do you?

Speaker 3 (04:53):
I went to Jack, you really should run, you really should.

Speaker 5 (04:59):
Run this stuff.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
I'm the one the band Aid. Do they know it's
Christmas beautiful? That we are the World? I like that
better than the other world as well, isn't it? Because
thank god it's one of them instead of you.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
You know, it's funny like you go back and listen
to some of those band Aid songs that we are
the World and do they know? It's Christmas?

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Different?

Speaker 5 (05:22):
And it really it really showcasts how bad somethings actually, yeah,
I heard it. We can move on because you're ruining
my point. But some singers are actually so shit and
like they make good. They can create some good songs,
but when you put them up against an actual good singer.
Some people that followed, like I think, if we are

(05:44):
the World? Some people followed Michael Jackson and and you
you listen to it and you go, how the hell
is that person a professional singer?

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Whatever? The one who stole the show? That we are
the World. They showed the documentary where was Darryl Hall.
Everyone was like going up from hall of notes, like
getting signatures, like at that point he was just like blonde, Yeah, yeah,
the blonde one. But what was like, as Cooper said,
like Michael Jackson sung and then there was a line
of rich another scene and so you could see the

(06:13):
rest of them was starting to sweat. Bob Dylan had
a panic attack and didn't want to seem they had
to roof get everyone out. Like it's funny. You never
underestimate people's insecurities. Who would have thought that Bob Dylan
would have been intimidated they had to move everyone.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
Out, certainly, Yeah, I wouldn't have thought so.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Speaking bono, Matt went, when we're in Dublin and you
went to the Irish Rock and Roll Museum, which you
love the Irish mate.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Honestly, people get to Dublin, You've got to go to that.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Street star student too.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well, I was on fire, Triph. Sometimes you know, it's
just lightning in a bottle. You don't know where it
comes from, but where it goes to. It's not a
fickleed butterfly, but someone standing there. There's about you know,
fifteen on the on the tour and the person they
go right over on there it's about to start sod understanding.
And I was right up the back, sort away from everyone.
Last in there. She goes where he's from? Chile, Argentina,

(07:02):
a lot of America, man churse to live? She goes
you at the back, where are you from? Went Australia.
She goes, why you're so far away? I said, okay,
in the ice age when Asia and the Civic broke
away from Europe right and make massive laughs. And then
I was And then I was just in the zone.

(07:22):
But I wanted I went there to see to pay
tribute to the great Roy Regalia, who's just about my
favorite people.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
Galigher from Yeah, but what does he.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
No, no, no, no, he was just an individual artist.
I got a new about five years ago. I heard
Noel Gallagher talking about who's your greatest influence? He said,
probably the number one is Regalia. He was He's viewed
as Australia, Ireland's probably most important influential artists.

Speaker 7 (07:51):
Best.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
The biggest song that anyone mate the ones.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
I'm going to tell people to listen to four songs
to give you a bit of an idea of what
he's about, how vast is hell cat bad, Penny Philby
and cruise on out listen to those four. But he
was such a megastar amongst the peers, like highly respectable,
like bb King. Brian May says like he was his hero.

(08:17):
And Jimmy Hendrix was once asked by a music journalists.
He said, music journalists to Jimmy Hendrix, what's it like
to be the greatest guitarist in the world. He said,
you better ask that question.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Rory Gallagher really, yeah, So well, they say.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
That about that Chapel Roane, that modern artists. Yeah, Chapel Roon,
that's it. What did you say, Chappelle ron It's not
Chappelle Corby Trice, it's Chapel Roan. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
They say She's they call it.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
When you google her name on Google, it comes up
your favorite your favorite artists, favorite artists. So like all
the music artists that they all say in interviews like
She's she's like the epitome of beautiful. She kind of
sings like every one of her songs. It's very it's
very unique. They're almost like written like Bohemian Rhapsody. They're

(09:06):
like a couple of different songs within a song. Obviously
not the length of Bohemian raps it, but they make it.
They're on like mainstream radio and stuff like. She's very mainstream.
You'd know some of her stuff. I've played it for you.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
But they're part two, part two in the then and
then she said she's talking about Bono, and they said,
does everyone fancy you too? And everyone put out their hands.
Yet she goes, it's interesting, he's not. Bono's not popular
in Ireland, right, I went, really yeah, And she sort
of spoke about a few things. Then she goes, just
a question for you people, what's the difference between God

(09:42):
and Bono? Now I've heard this joke before, but I
pretend that I haven't. I said, look, I don't know exactly,
but in my opinion, the difference would probably be that
God doesn't think he's Bonner. And anyway, hughes laughter again
because they've never heard it, and they goes, you know
the joke, No, no, it just sort of makes sense.
And from there, honestly, I was untouchable. It was like

(10:04):
the greatest game of football.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
So you ruined this Lady's like basically yeah, was she
a stand up comedian?

Speaker 3 (10:11):
She's supposed to be. No, No, she was just tall.

Speaker 5 (10:15):
Was I gotta ask? Was Dad like annoying on this
trip away.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
A little bit? Sometimes?

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yeah? Well I thought it.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
Would No, no, No, I know you're not being annoying.

Speaker 9 (10:22):
I'm just listening to like how passionate you are, because
you're so passionate about UK like an Ireland culture. So
I was just listening and I was sometimes you like
will bring up stuff, and I can imagine after four
weeks of it, Trish, that you would have got quite.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
Annoyed with it.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
But there were some days where I said, you know what,
maybe we're just going to our each going to our
own thing today. Need a little bit of time.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, well, well let me get I need a time too, Jake,
Because when she was driving, she decided, like in Turkey,
she started Maddie, when I got to Ireland and I go,
what are you doing? I'm spoken with my favorite Irish accent,
and you're like.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
Good.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
I just said, hey, listen, I said, can you just
can you park it? I said, I'm starting to wear
me down, you can do it. When we get to Ireland. Well,
we're driving around Ireland. Everything was where we're going to Matte,
how far is Tipperary? And I'll be going And after
a bit I just said, hey, listen, I know you
can said do it? Can you stop it? Because we
can't have a serious conversation. Whatever you say, whatever you say, lad.

(11:20):
So we go into Dublin. Dublin is the hardest city
to drive around and everything, and I said, the Trish
Triss is going where the hotel? Fire away for the hotel?
I said, listen, don't please stop the Irish accent, because
I said, if we miss a turn, we're in all sorts.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
So many one way street.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
We're driving along and Trisha's singular song she's she's going, yeah,
I don't know what, I can't remember won for a
Chris Mass there's you and I'm going, mate, stop it.
She goes, Oh you should have left back there.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
Oh no, you know who else was in in Dublin.
I believe Hudson Young went there. He was little trip
after the after the Ashes campaign and someone tipped him
off and you were got He trained with a guy
in a gym and he tpped him off.

Speaker 8 (12:08):
That.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
Connor McGregor is going to be going to his pub tonight.
If you want to go I'll have a beer with
him or whatever.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
He's got in contact with his trainer because I think
he'd come to the Cambra facilities.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
Yeah, so he trained with Condor's actual trainer and then
he tipped him off and he went and sat at
the part he reckons for ages and kind of never
showed up whatever.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
He walks out.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
As he walks out the door, Connor McGregor walks in
and he got pictures with him and had to be
He said he had like heap of beers with him,
Like just.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Thought Connor turned in leaf and leave. He found the Lord.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
Yeah, you drink a couple of beers, A couple of beers,
never hurt new one.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Christ. Yeah, the blood of Christ.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
I know that's speaking of your own horn. Matthew. Have
you seen Timothy shaller May lately? He's what he's been doing.
He's been doing. He's got that mrighty Supreme movie coming
out soon.

Speaker 6 (12:59):
It's on.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
It's like they.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Reckon it's gonna be like movie the movie of the year.
They think he's like going to get an oscar. But
he's been coming out and pretty much just doing Pressto
was talking about how good he isn't it and started
saying that he thinks it's his best work. I've done
ten roles where like I think I've been masterful, but
like this is definitely my best one. People are like
people the swords, like they reckon, like he's been they've

(13:25):
been giving out Marty Supreme merch and it's been like
through the roof, like it's getting that expensive, the Marty
Supreme jacket, like it's gonna be.

Speaker 6 (13:34):
Yeah, it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
What what sort of show is it?

Speaker 4 (13:36):
He's like a I don't know if it's a true story.
I don't think it is. But he's like a ping
pong champion and they reckon. He's like they reckon, he's unreal.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
In it hasn't sold.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Te Shall we tell him a story?

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Which one there's a lot better.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
In Turkey at that. Yes, So we arrive we're staying
in the old part of town and called and we
turn up there and by the way, it was an
old child. They said to an old said, I'll watch
Non Express. I wonder if it's that. Joe looks similarly
out the front. I said, is this from mid Non Express? Now?
Like yeah, it was. It was a movie out of it.

(14:16):
But we arrive at the hotel, and as we arrive,
like like the staff will just come charging out. I'm going, man,
what about the hospitality mister John's, uh, you know trust John's. Sorry, boys,
I'm just I was just.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
I was pulling up some stuff for the next thing.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Okay, now you're all right, I'll start it again.

Speaker 5 (14:38):
Yeah, or you know what, we leave it in and
we just don't even go to this uninteresting story if
you want.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Let's just leave it now. Let's park. It wasn't ship.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
Was it good or not? Was it a good story
or not?

Speaker 4 (14:54):
It was good.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
I think it's good to you.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
It's hard because you're looking for interaction from a store
and down getting a story.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
And I sort of expected you look as opposed to
Jack's looking the other way and sort of looking at
Trish going and and I'm just talking into the ether.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Let's leave, Let's leave this in and you have another
crack at it.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Please on another day.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
No, no, no, no, leaves this exactly, and but have another
crack at the story. Okay, and Jack, Mum and Dad,
I'm Jack and me? Sorry, what the hell am I
talking about? Let's let's interact as much as possible, don't talk,
but just.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Like, wow, we're going to talk.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
We're going to if we have a question.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Were so we arrive what time was it in the morning.

Speaker 6 (15:41):
If it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Tell you, we arride mid morning? Yeah, we go there.
As we pull out in front of the hotel, stuff,
I'm charging out were.

Speaker 5 (15:50):
They and they were Irish stuff?

Speaker 1 (15:52):
No, it's.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
But I've been talking in an Irish accent.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
I know you're looking at me. You think of other things. Yeah,
it's like me and you might make love, you know,
she's always thinking of someone else's looking at anyway, So
they come charging out and they and they make really
enthusiastic Oh, mister missus, John's welcome to you know, come in,
come in. Yeah, they said, don't worry about We've already
got you. We know what your room is.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
We're going to take the.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Bags up there. They'll be there as soon as you arrive.
Would you like a personal tour? And I'm going, wow,
this is unbelievable the hospitality. So yep, so we're getting
a personal tour. But there's about three of the staff
just ghostingess walking around and sort of just staring, staring,
and I'm going, oh wow, this.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Is sort of it wasn't a busy time for the hotel.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
It wasn't a busy time. So anyways, and they're going, oh,
this is the garden and look at these people and
they're whispering. I'm going this is weird. So miniitritiare walking
up together up to the room. She goes, Oh, it'll
be interested to see if they've done anything or what
do you mean. She goes, oh, like a bottle of champagne.
She goes, I told it it was our thirtieth winning anniversary.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Well, it is coming up in January.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Anyway, so they've gone to our thirtieth winning so they've
gone obviously gone we'll do something sweet. So they've googled
both of us, right anyway, they've gone through my stuff
and obviously thought on some sort of like an Australians
version of David Beckham or something respectfully. Yeah, not far, no, anyway,

(17:17):
I walk into the hotel. Hotel room, it's basically a
gargantuan tribute to me. Oh, balloons, fake front page news
and the local the Istanbul Times, from the from the
sporting field to the Ottoman Empire. He makes it and
all this yeah, yeah, a massive, a massive cake with
made on a football field extra for this anyway, I

(17:42):
went downstairs to thanks very much, said we're going to
cake every day for you. Every day they'd replace it
with another one with the football field and things like that.
But every time I went downstairs, mate, though, were like
almost round of applause was going this is did.

Speaker 5 (17:53):
You take advantage of that? Like, were there some instances
where you, uh, you know, maybe leveraged that howe that
you clearly held her?

Speaker 1 (18:01):
No? No, But can I tell you a funny story.
So before we're the night before we were departing, there's
a knock on the door and it's the concierge comes in,
lovely girl Hazel and mad It inquired about going to
the Galatas game.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Play and.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
She walks in and she said, oh, you're going tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
We've just got a little gift for you, and they
presented me with the hotel staff chipped in and bought
me a Galatas ride jersey and soccer jersey.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah I've got.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
And Matt panicked and was uncomfortable. It's like, oh oh,
and goes do you have a boyfriend or a husband,
and she went, oh, no, no, I don't.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
I'm looking around for a football jersey or anything like
a pair of shorts or anything. And the only thing
I've got is a pair of Newcastle Knights dick stick is.
So I picked them up and say there.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I intercepted.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I was like, what are you doing?

Speaker 5 (18:59):
Yeah, that is one of the most inappropriate.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
So inappropriate to this, like thirty year.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
Old is did she did?

Speaker 3 (19:06):
She?

Speaker 1 (19:07):
She looked awkward and I went, oh my god, matte No,
I said, I will send you something. Yeah, he said,
clearly he wants to give you something, but that isn't inappropriate.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
But it was amazing that hotel has been transformed. It
was a prison. It was a prison off off mid
non Express and bloke was telling us that we went
down with the ferry ride across to the Asian side
on the Bosporus, and the guys came up and said,
we stand in the place to be Non Express and
the guy went yeah, he said, Oliver Stone just traveled

(19:37):
over here to apologize to the Turkish people. They said
that movie he directed. That movie cost Turkey thirty years
of tourism because when you watch it, you go, oh
my god, I remember the.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
People just weren't going there there terrified.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
By the way you want to hear something odd. One
thing odd. I'd love to not saying odd about like
you know, Australian bands and sometimes it's secure. Aussie bands
can be huge. J overaseus like James Rain and Noussy
crawl in Brazil, Spy versus Spy in Brazil, Pete Murray
and Russia. But bloke comes up in Russia. Yeah, Pete

(20:11):
Mary's big in Russia.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Pete Murray, could you please confirm?

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Now? The guy come up and he goes, oh, guys,
so you're Australian. That's fantastic. On a Galatasa roy support
we had Lucas Neil and Harry Harry Kle playing here
and yeah, yeah, and he is I just love everything
about Australia. I love Tim Minchin, he's my favorite. And
then he has and my favorite band of all time Australians.
He goes, guess which one? So not Oil, No, you

(20:41):
don't run through who Guru Isna? It was? It was
King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard electronic sort of expert.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
The moment they're going good, they're they're.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Growing, but they play thing called jazz rock. They're really
into innovation with music. And he goes yeah, when they
play his they play at stadiums. He said, they're one
of the biggest bands in Turkey jazz rock, King Gizzard
and the Lizard Wizard. So even they go into a
little bit of country, bit of everything.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
So there is a little emergence of like jazz jazz
bands at the moment, like jazz music. You like Olivia
Dean in the UK. She kind of fits along like that,
that sort of old school jazzy vibe but a bit
more modern. She's very good. There's also a local bloke.
She's actually the cousin of one of my friends, Jesse West.

(21:30):
His name is Don West.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
The fish Man, the fish that he rejrects. Don West
is the junior as well.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Isn't that's John you almost.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
But he's like I saw some videos of him playing
over and I think it was like America or UK.
They're like selling out like bigger venues.

Speaker 7 (21:48):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yeah, just taste some music.

Speaker 5 (21:51):
What's going on? Because I'm not much of a jazz man.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
No, No, I'm not.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
I wouldn't like. I wouldn't like, although I would love
to learn the saxophone, the sexophone, isn't I think it'd
be a very cool instrument I can see you, I
can see you.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
There's long fingers just.

Speaker 6 (22:09):
Just about getting it underneath.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Its very hard to In a second, we're going to
come back to Cooper because about this part of the
EU and ras Men put on. By the way, we
think someone slept in our bed nonetheless, so it gets
a workout some way.

Speaker 7 (22:22):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
But Jack, you went Tyland you and was that?

Speaker 4 (22:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (22:26):
It was good.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
It's it was a pretty overcast the most of the
time there, but it was fun.

Speaker 5 (22:30):
It was fun.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
It was yeah, I don't even know, like it was
Bangkok just so full on. Chang Wi was nice. We
did the sticky waterfalls you have looked good. There's like
limestone on these waterfalls and the water runs down it
and it becomes like really like grippy and you can
not so much sticky, but like super grippy, so you
can like the water's coming down Spider Man and you're

(22:53):
crawling up there, not crawling, but you can like walk
up the like on two leagues after to grab anything.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Really.

Speaker 6 (22:58):
Yeah, it's pretty incredible.

Speaker 5 (22:59):
It's like looking on velcro.

Speaker 6 (23:00):
Yeah, because it's like it's.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
So weird to explain, like you can like you're almost
going up horizontal eventually sideways. It's pretty cool, but it's
that was about the only son we got for the
trip though.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
But it's going into the wet season, is it.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (23:14):
I think so there was.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
We're that close going Vietnam, but they've got like the
really bad floods over there, so lucky we didn't go.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
Was it a good trip though?

Speaker 6 (23:22):
Yeah, it was good. It was good.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
It would have been a lot nice if it over cast, but.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
It was good to get away for a bit.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
The we didn't bring too many things back to be fair,
but geez, you can do a lot of things, like
if you want to, It would be such a great
challenge if you've got like a couple of pals, give
them two grand each and just said how long?

Speaker 5 (23:40):
Who could last the longest?

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Like in terms of accommodation expenses, who could just last
the longest? Like I reckon you could stretch that sort
of a long way if you're.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Not, if you just see like the street food, but
then I'll get your grog from from seven elevens.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
That that's what Matt loves.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
I just why would you play? Why did you play?
Fifteen dollars for beer and hotel? We just go across
the road and have the same beer of dollar twenty
they had like they had like.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
A sais like the big cans, like like twelve bar,
which is like I think it's like a dollar Yeah,
it's crazy.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
Can I ask you Jack, Because like obviously when you
go away in your partner, it's a bit of a
test of the relationship. Test was were there any like
fights or anything?

Speaker 6 (24:22):
No, not really, not really.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
It wasn't that sort of trip anyway, Like we weren't
doing like it was somewhere between like a trip where
you're doing like lots of walking around like it was
in Bangkok. But then the rest of the ship was
sort of more relaxed, so it wasn't too bad. But
we didn't get The food was good and we didn't
get sick at all, but was like we had heats
of street food, like a heap of it, And I
was so surprised. I was prepared to get sick at

(24:44):
least once.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
And it was the last gym.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Then always says Anthony bull Day, and you say, if
you're going to go to a country, he said, to
eat the street food and the local stuff. He said
their business is built on like reputation once locals a
tourists come and go, but sage advice locals forever now
Cooper true, Yes, me and you were driving through Ireland

(25:10):
and heard with horror basically that there was a mass
party happening here.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Can you thank you my neighbors?

Speaker 5 (25:18):
So who who snitched on that?

Speaker 1 (25:21):
No, don't don't yeh, that's not snitches. Get stitches, bitches
get sorry.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
But you said that suppose stitch is a bit of
a bit not wrong.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah, we're not going to grass.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
I don't worry you. You were posting pictures and then
like the following Monday, the podcast comes out and you
were talking about it.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
Yeah, I told told me RaSE man told that. Obviously
never passed that message.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
I certainly did not.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
But we didn't talk about the party.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
But I'm finding it was good fun.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
It was good fun. So obviously if you didn't listen
to that episode, there's probably thirty low axes and we
essentially it was it was a party. Was who's ringing you?
Who's ringing you?

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Todd Carney is that desperate one. He's doing a lot
of junior coaching now at the title, by the way,
outstanding you don't.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
Need to give me a wrap.

Speaker 6 (26:18):
Did you play with Toddy?

Speaker 5 (26:19):
Played against Toddy in Queensland Cup. He was playing at
Northern Pride up in Cans. My first ever night in
Cans ever, because all the everyone loves going to Cans
on a way trip when you're playing like Queensland Cup
or like, there's not really NRL games there anymore.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
But what's that?

Speaker 1 (26:34):
What's that pub?

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Gilligans.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
Gilligans is like the Grouse Spots, so everyone like always
packs multiple pairs of jeans and one pair of boots.
And I was playing against Toddy. I've never met Toddy before.
Finished the game. We had a little post match function.
Toddy was like, we had a beer, we're talking, We're talking,
and then he left and I me and the team
went back to the team room. And then I just
got a text from this random number saying meet me

(26:58):
here in half an hour, and I was like, who
the hell is this? He said to Todd Carney, and
I was like right, and I'm like eighteen, and I
was like, I love Todd Carney. Like I watched the
Playstate of Origin all this stuff, and then I went
there and I think, I think just for clarification obviously,
Toddy's a change man now, but this was like peak
Todd Carney. So this was like Todd before he probably
cleaned his lifestyle up and you know it became more

(27:21):
of a role model.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
In the community. So we had we had a.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
Lot of fun, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
He's very, very fun.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
It's fine, birds of a feather, no trouble.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
But what the best part was it was pissing down
rain and Gilligans because I mean cans because like wet
season up north and it rains, it's muggy, it's hot,
and it pisses down on you. And anyway, I feel
that a few of the other boys teammates of mine
and he's sort of linked up with us at this
pub and Toddy ordered an uber to Gilligans, but wouldn't
allow me or him to get in the car. He

(27:55):
was like, nah, everyone else, get in. We're going to
find our own way. And we're like, the hell are
we going to get there?

Speaker 10 (28:00):
And then this this this man was riding around in
the pissing rain, like monsoon weather, on a on a
bike with like a carriage on the back, and he
waved him down.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
And was like Gilligans Gilligans, and he was like, yeah sure.
He was literally riding home because he's like, no one's
going to want to get in this bike with a
seat on the back when it's piercing down rain. And
then we just sat on the in the back of
this thing. It was like a twenty minute bike ride,
just getting hosed on, and he was facetiming Joey for
the whole twenty minute thing. And his phone. I don't
know how his phone didn't break because it was that

(28:33):
wet like it was. It wasn't in the iPhones nowhere.
You can submerge it a minna of water.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Ejack, Your story is second worse.

Speaker 7 (28:43):
Second close.

Speaker 5 (28:46):
Yeah, well, I can't say anymore to put Harriet down.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Was the low point cover the fact that Cooper was
talking about the waterproofing of Toddy's phone.

Speaker 6 (28:56):
Massive.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
I'm a big details guy. He probably went into too
much detail about the waterproofing of his fire.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Okay, times baby the Start show today.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
That's the funniest thing you've ever said. What was I talking?

Speaker 5 (29:14):
Ship? Okay, Laura's party was fine.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, hanging chair upstairs broken, walk in the other night
after a long flight and I look at my lamp
and go what's on that? Someone's red pong?

Speaker 4 (29:29):
What do you call them?

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Beerpunk?

Speaker 3 (29:32):
What they did? Ye put it over all the lights.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
And Flynnofs shout out to Flinnofs. So Flynn he my mate,
Flynn he he was also doing some of the DJing
because I went and hired all this DJ equipment. We
set it up and flynnos he was pimp. Lor Axe said,
like a big leopard fur coat and like a bucket
out and all these chains and sunnies. But flynnos like
he's been bit of a quirky thinker and out of

(29:56):
no where he goes. We need beer punk clus can
you find some beer pong cups? Someone sweet so rang
one of the boys, can you drop off some beer
pon cups for me? He drove around Flynn. We look
back inside. We were all drinking on the veranda.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
We look back.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
Flynn has a chair and he's sticky taping all these
red cups over every light upstairs, every single light. Did
he yeah, shout out to Flynn. And but then at
night when you turn the lights on, like red Light
District in Amsterdam, the whole place was like a massage parlor.
Shot it was awesome.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
It was so cool.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Worst story, Jackson, You guys asked me.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
When I got the cup off, it was melted from
the light bulb on the land.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
That's on me because I got slept in their bed.
We need to know, I swear my life.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
No one slept.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
I changed the sheets to day I was leaving. Someone
had pulled the sheets down, did it really?

Speaker 5 (30:49):
Yeah? So Dale Finucan and his mate the week before
they were playing a gig in Manly and him and
his mate and his Maig was going to sleep on
the couch and I said, don't do that. You sleep
in Jack's and Dale you're clean. You sleep in um
and Dad's room.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Now it's probably better that Dale slept in out than yours.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
There was.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
I came in yesterday. His sheet brown, Coober pillows brown. Mate,
three weeks you didn't wash? What did you say?

Speaker 5 (31:16):
I like it brown?

Speaker 6 (31:18):
No?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
What did you say?

Speaker 5 (31:19):
I'm colorblind? I don't.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Well, don't leave me at home on my own for
three weeks again.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Shirt your little shirts and the shirts shirts body odor?

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Oh yeah, hang on a seat, so you got to
use the good deodorant.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Mate.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
In my defense, those two times, those but one of
the button up shirts I wore. That was for Nico's
engagement and it was forty degrees and I was down
there at Canella Way at midday and I was sweating
my ass off. Didn't get home till like three in
the morning. So that was just a long, sweaty day.
Right Again, doesn't matter how much THEODR and you use on.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
A sweat like, have about your breath.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Mate, When I get you the double strength, that's the
one you use.

Speaker 6 (32:02):
Why Cooper, like why it was a week ago? How
do they know how bad?

Speaker 4 (32:05):
It's not because I washed it.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Trish washed it, still waited that.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
Long to wash it. I don't like. I'm not like,
I'm not good at washing collar shirts. I don't have
the system downpath collar shirts washing them wash loses.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
It to form.

Speaker 5 (32:22):
Yeah, I don't like losing your form. So I, knowing
that they were back in like a week and a bit,
I said, I'll hang under the Colin shirts and I'll
wait for Trish to wash them. I didn't know she
was going to be smelling the armpits on them.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well, you know, But I have given this tip before
and people have asked me again what I do Caniston
in the wash gets rid of it. But you put
caniston in a spray bottle and you can spray it
directly on the arm pits.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
You've just lost your.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Literally gets rid of THEO.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
You can thank me later. People.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah, it's really when they wake up.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
Podcasting is a lot like footy. You have a you
have a month off and it just takes you time
to get back into it. Yeah, that's all right, you're
going all right, all right, everyone's had that. Dad stopped
a story because no one was making eye contact with him,
and then proceeded to tell one of the Shiitter stories,
which basically the moral of it was that the people

(33:17):
in Istanbul thought he was a superstar. Yeah he was
just tooting his own or Maddie Supreme.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
No, well, right near the hotel, what do we see
in the front of a Gold Coast Titans cap.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
Yeah, I know, you sent us a hundred pictures.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
But the people telling the people and so the guy
he had roosters caps, storm hats and a couple of
hours anyone. And I walked into the bloke and I said,
all these rugby league and he goes, yeah, I'm into
rugby league. I said, how he said when Russell Crowe
was here to shoot the water Diviner. He said. He

(33:51):
came past and he said he bought a rug off
me and he sat there and he said. I had
a coffee with him and were discussing it and he
said he had the Abit hat on, so what's that
and he said this is my team blah blah blah
and hand him the hat. No. I said from that
from that moment a Raby League fan. And he said,
Russell posted his shop and said to all Australians and

(34:12):
traveling abroad Americans kiwis were going to get every person
if you don't offend anyone, if you come to Istanbul,
come to this play shop. He said, what was Yeah,
he said he's trade went up. He said like three
thousand percent.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (34:26):
I like Russell Crowe man. I listened to his podcast
with Joe Rogan. Now it's a long one, but he's
something sexy about that voice. He's so intelligent.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Through Jake Johnson bone. Yeah, he threw what through Jake
Johnson bon. He gave him a good mention on Triple
Triple Sorry kiss that was ages ago, but he threw
the bone.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
Oh yeah, but we spoke about that on the potty
before that was like months ago when he rang through.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, what is your favorite Christmas memory?

Speaker 4 (34:59):
Can I a?

Speaker 5 (35:00):
They asked on Christmas quickly just on that.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
It is called the Troy rug store in istanbourl and Istanbul.

Speaker 6 (35:07):
For a rug or a regular league.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
In Istanbul next time you're in Istanbul.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
Russell Chrus spoke about it when I was three thousand percent,
we spoke about it. Didn't even put a loss.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Yeah, okay, so well that was a lot of fun Christmas?

Speaker 4 (35:26):
Was it a lot of fun episode?

Speaker 5 (35:28):
It was weird.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
It was weird.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
I'll say weird.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
We've been out of the group. It was very weird.
What we're going to do, guys at Christmas? We're going
to spend the Christmas episode. We're actually going to do
a very special thing on Christmas Day that you would
listen to ask all our guests what they're going to
get for Christmas, cetera, et cetera. We did one with Rosie.
It was so awkward, probably two and a half minutes

(35:51):
that of the most awkward you've ever heard.

Speaker 6 (35:56):
It wasn't that bad. It wasn't that bad.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
It's just funny now that he's the only one recorded
in there.

Speaker 5 (36:01):
It is I listen. I've listened to the audio. It's
it's quite bad. So we asked Jason Rolls. I like.
So we finished the partty with the interview, and then
we go, oh, Rosie, we're just gonna lit a little
Christmas package. We're just gonna ask him Ris. He goes, yeah, yea,
as good as gold. And then like the first thing, Dad,
Dad pretended like it was Christmas Day and Dad goes, Rosie,
Merry Christmas, many a good Christmas Day, and it kind

(36:25):
of shocked Rosie to show off the block. He was like, oh, yeah, thanks, Maddie,
Yeah good, good to be here on Christmas. And then
I go, so Rosie, like, this is me asking like
a forty something year old bloke what he wants for Christmas. Rosie,
I said, what do you want for Christmas this year?
And he goes, oh, I don't really know. I just

(36:45):
if I want something. I was sort of just buy
it a could I go yeah, right, And it was
just heaps of like we asked him, heaps of roadblock
questions where it was so stunty. It just sounds so weird,
but we're gonna we'll put it at the end of
this Partty because it is bloody funny. It'll be so
awkward for people listen to. But Merry Christmas, everyone.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Merry Christmas.

Speaker 6 (37:07):
I'm good.

Speaker 5 (37:07):
I'm good as well. I don't really I struggle to
think of gift ideas for myself so hard.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
That's hard.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
I've given you an idea for me. I hope you
paid attention when I dropped it to you.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Glasses got Jack's are you and I just got I
got too excited, just canter it to him.

Speaker 5 (37:25):
Well, everyone, Merry Christmas, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Jason Ryles, well, Merry Christmas. What to day it is?

Speaker 5 (37:34):
It may I guess who stop past rise in the
family the files.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Merry Christmas, Rosy, thanks.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
Give us an insight? What does what does Jason Rolls
doing on Christmas?

Speaker 3 (37:49):
I love Christmas? Do you? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (37:52):
I genuinely love the day. Like yeah, So I've got
a bit of a thing that I like. I don't
like to leave the house after lunch time, So go
out and get all our stuff done with the family,
and then if you want to come over lunches at
our house. Yeah, and it's on and we just sit
there and we park there and we have a good time.

Speaker 11 (38:10):
What are you watching like any what's the cricket? What's
on the Christmas Day? What's a boxing day? Is?

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Yeah, it's good to see your cross anyway, Sporting enthusiasts.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
Have you got a favorite Christmas memory? Whether it be
from the Rays Falls, childhood or anything like that.

Speaker 8 (38:28):
N the first couple of Christmases with the girls, like
with Giselle and Jade and my daughters, that was that
was fun. Like to see them enjoy it and actually
understand it. That was that was good. As a kid,
I was pretty lucky as a kid. Mom would go
all out on Christmas Day, even though we didn't have
a heat, but she'd make sure that was a good day.

(38:49):
So always getting up and just seeing the floor covered
in presents. It was always a nice like our our Christmas.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
But you got one for you?

Speaker 6 (39:00):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (39:00):
People driving in the cars? He's a Gary John story.
As far as Christmas, we're up. We're driving up to
the caravan but Middle Rock Caravan Park. The fact that
the beach was Neudics beach. We noblemen first went the
Beaudus Beach.

Speaker 7 (39:14):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Anyway, on the way up, we looked at this pie
shop open, so gas goes how good let's go and
get some pie. So yep, we go and get pies. Andrew,
who's only very young at the time, probably about you know,
five or six, pulled his pie out and the bottom
of the past you felt the boiling hot pie mince
went all over his legs. Well, the old man exploded.
We ran into the shop, grabbed the bloke and like

(39:36):
had a swing at the bloke about the pie shop.
The bloke about the pie shop ran the cops on
so we had to take off and Last Christmas.

Speaker 11 (39:47):
Last Christmas question for your rosy what does what does
Jason want for Christmas?

Speaker 5 (39:52):
This year?

Speaker 6 (39:53):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (39:53):
This year?

Speaker 5 (39:55):
What do you think of?

Speaker 12 (39:56):
What's in your little bucket list? What's in your wish list?
I pretty much get what I'm as I go in life,
So I'm not the best. I'm not the easiest to buy.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
For unless you get older.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Would you like a new assistant coach?

Speaker 5 (40:12):
Are you offering your services about you?

Speaker 3 (40:15):
I would?

Speaker 8 (40:16):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm hard to buy for
and I'm hard.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
To get gifts for. But what I want it be
something to do with.

Speaker 8 (40:24):
Footy and premiership holding things up and yeah, but I
don't want to put any pressure on ourselves.

Speaker 11 (40:31):
Yeah, I don't don't just don't, don't wish to ask
for anything. Then I think the best gift is giving
to others.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Really, you should give it a go. Then sometimes Christmas
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The Burden

The Burden

The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; ā€œHe paid me to do it.ā€ David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a ā€œliveā€ investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, ā€œbrokeā€ her.ā€ The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run ā€œTrying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.ā€ That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as ā€œThe Corner on Blood.ā€ The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. ā€œThe Hulkā€ was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. ā€œThe guilty have gone free,ā€ he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.

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