February 11, 2025 • 49 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, Kurps little bonus episode. Lot going on in the game,
but people look and go, hey, where are they. You've
had a renovation. Yeah, we'll talk about it more on
the Family podcast. But there we go, tiki bar style.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yeah, we've got a new studio for those listening. A
couple of couple of different options we've got with the set.
I still got the red velvet curtains in parts, which
is obviously our trademark, which is our trademark for branding.
But yeah, we've got some cool If you have any
suggestions of things we want to throw up on the
walls and stuff like that, we can you know, if
(00:32):
you want to send us free stuff to put on
the walls.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It's a great idea.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Hey, feel free to do that to all of our
listeners out there.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Cool prints. Let this one behind me, people, there's one
like a nineteen to seventies print that used to see
on the walls. If your grands place and things like that,
anything anything you think like, honestly, just send it along.
What did that one over there? There's an old photo
there of Red d Reagan with Jack and Coops. You
remember getting their photo done?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I don't remember. I remember it was at our house
just up the road, not too far, but I don't
remember it.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, so what was you know? The two surfing boys,
Ronnie and Adam Blakey, Yes, prominent in the surf industry.
They had a they had a magazine called Monster Children
that was sort of like a fashion surf culture magazine,
and for the opening edition they asked, could we get
a photo with reg and you. Blakes were just hanging
around and they said, what don't the boys jump in?
(01:26):
My favorite photo by the way.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, well, it's not often you see Regie with kids.
It's probably not.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Excuse me for the coffee people. I've got a little
bit of a chest infection.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
You haven't been well.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Have you push them? Push them through the train? Like
look at the like sweat sweat going.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Man, you haven't been well?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Is it time? Is it time to make another little appearance?
Because redg disappeared during the work years and now you're
seeing woke die on the vine.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I think it's coming back. There's still a heavy resistance.
I think it's kind of divided, like fifty to fifty
now people that kind of want that old school humor
back and the people that are not wanting to it. Yeah, yeah,
so I think it's interesting the next few years how
the landscape, particularly in media because you see Dana White,
(02:13):
well yeah yeah. Dana White, while he was here for
the UFC, slammed Australian media calling calling us all pussies.
Oh come on, I don't think he was referring to us.
I think he loves the potty. He's a massive fan
of our potty.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
But I don't put a fit. Simon said a few
things at him. I think it was a shot back
at Fitzie. Yeah, there was a little bit going on.
Some people have an opinion on UFC. It's but it's
been The growth has been amazing with the UFC. Do
you think, right, here's a question for you. If there
was Floyd Mayweather, who would what would be the biggest
fight in the UFC if it happened tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Right now in the UFC, I would probably say with
current fighters, ye, John Jones he's the best of them all.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Jeez.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I don't know. It'd be cool to see. I mean,
I think they're different weights, but.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Like if they could get together anyone, Alex Pereira.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
And John Jones, I think they're both good, but I
think Alex Pere's light heavyweight and John Jones's heavyweight.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Okay, so let's just imagine for a second. You get
to walk through one door to a stadium where you've
got that UFC fight's going to take place. Well, through
the other one, you've got Terrence Crawford versus Canalo Alvarez.
Which one do you walk into?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I'd probably go to UFC. Yeah, I think they'd right now,
they're bigger names. I think they've been marketed well.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
That well this part of I mean people like Canelo
in in Mexico that he's a god and Terrence Crawford powerful,
the best fighter in the world. So those guys in
that part of the world they have monster profiles more
than the UFC.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You see, like the boxes now they have, they're probably
not as household names as they were thirty years ago,
where you had Tyson r. Lee like this, huge boxing
names which are gods across the world. Now, I think
the UFC probably market there. Of course, they're people better
where they like you see Conor McGregor people like that
who came through who were just global megastars.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Well, if you're correct me. If I'm wrong, well, it's
just it's one belt, So if you're the lightweight champion,
it's one belt where the what's really hurt boxing is
w WBO, WBC, IBF. It goes on and on and on,
all these different ones compared to the day, back in
the days when Mohamed A Leaf thought those guys it
(04:33):
was one belt. Now the king, king of the ring,
and I suppose that's that's the thing with the UFC, Yeah,
it must be. It's not divided up.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
No, it's a heavyweight, you know, light heavy but they've
got their weight divisions, but there's one belt in that division.
So it's very clear to see who's number one who's not,
Whereas it's very hard in boxing. Sometimes you actually don't know.
You think he's the champion, but he's not.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
A fighter, a boxer. This might interest you blokes, it
might not, but you know it might interest some of
their listeners. Anthony Mundane, great friend of mine, Choco Mundine,
he's his father, Tony Mundine. He fought made he was
an unbelievable fighter, incredible fighter. He fought a bloke called
an Argentinean called Carlos Monzon for the title in Buenos Aires,
(05:16):
and that was at the time when it was you know,
basically it was one belt for its division and Monson
beat him, but a terrific fight. And monz On I
read recently they put a thing at the top ten
pound pound fighters of all time a certain magazine. Everyone's
got their different opinions. They had Mon's on at number four.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So you look at Chock's dad, How good a fighter?
He was? Obviously dup geez?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Have you have you you interviewed Himus? Yeah, yeah, he's
a beast. He looked like he looked like you really
cut down for the most recent fight that he just
won last week. He looked like phenomenally put Sean Strickland
in a Bardi bag.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Just a just correct me if I'm wrong. I heard
someone the other day for him as Dutchman, but South Africa.
I'd say he's Afrikaans. Yeah, yeah, he'd be Afrikaans, which.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Is just played rugby union.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yeah, ut Dutch German? Yeah, I think he played.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Under eighteen's for like the South African team.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Did you like him?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Was a good going, good blow, yeah, really good blow.
It seemed like a really just knock about kind of
he really loves his rugby union over there. I loved
the spring Box.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
So that's the game of the Afrikaans. Yeah, yeah, that's
a big game.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
But back to before we move on back to Dana White,
I actually have to say I agree with him with
this media, with the media calling Australian media pussies, I
will see that. I agree mate, the cool buzz no
no no. But I think particularly in like you know,
there's and there's shows that aren't and there's shows that are,
(06:47):
like your show on Fox is quite edgy and it's good.
Thank god, yours is a good product.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Thank you. I was really concerned there for yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, And I wouldn't see you guys getting much backlash
or anything from you. Probably do get some stuff potentially.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
But I know about it. We'refully unaware.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Obviously the radio show, the Colin JACKIEO Show gets a
lot of backlash things like that. But I think what's
so annoying about media now is even when I say
we're doing a segment or something like that, we'll think
of a funny character, we'll think of something, and you
deter away from it sometimes or you're dull the segment
(07:25):
down because there's a minority that might be offended by it,
which is just you go.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
To pass it through the funnel. Well, particularly you Blake's
fanned out. Look the Sydney market, as far as I find,
the Sydney market, as far as radio, far more liberal
than the Melbourne market, and you guys have found that out.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, it just it'd be nice for Australia to go, hey,
you know what we're not going to like. Sometimes there's
going to be things we're not going to like and
we won't listen to it, or we you know, we
won't be a fan of it.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
But just turn it off.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Just keep your opinion to yourself. Just turn it off,
because there's people that enjoy it. There's people that work hard.
They need a break. They want to be enter time
attained by the things that they enjoy.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I read a thing recently there was Media Watchdog. There
reports complaints sent through and there's one complaint saying that
every morning I have to drive my kids to school,
this is a mobole and said and they have to
listen to that filth. Well here's the thing. Every morning
you're driving your kids and you are listening to the
Colin Jackie O Show, Surely you know what you're going
(08:23):
to get, So listen to something else.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Well, the beauty of social media is now you see
like independence kind of going and they make whatever content
that they want on social media and people love it.
People love it, but you can't see it on mainstream
like TV or radio because of clients and sponsors and
fans that they want to keep their brand image safe.
But you know what, entertainment's entertainment, brother, That's what I say.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
There are there are, there are boundaries. But I'm with you.
You know, some people get far too precious. Excuse me
chest again what I'm doing today.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I'm actually worried about you me to.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I am back on the point though. If you don't
want to listen to it and it's not your cap,
you know, don't don't complain to the media watch just
don't listen to it or don't watch it.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I don't want to see us on media watch dog
for having it, for just being honest on backstage, you
know what I mean. That's that's what happens backstage.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
And that's right.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
We tell the hard.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Shoot from the hip. Been a lockdown on the rugby league. Yeah,
it's been happening. Like what so you'll make Christian Welsh
Well she yeah, now's retirement. Hang on a second, a
question for you. We had Brad Parker on he was
medically retired. Well, she wasn't medically retired.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
He's actually he's he used medically retired. Oh yeah, but
not in medically yeah, sorry, not in quotations. Yeah, yeah,
a lot of concussions. He had a bad one. The
boys were saying in Geelong. They do Geelong camp two
weeks at start of the pre season.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
So it's concussion. I thought it was me injuries. Oh wow, okay.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
So he had a bad one recently and apparently the
boy said he's it quite rattled him where you have
those ones where you're rattled for like weeks and that's yeah.
Unfortunately for Welchi, he's had a few in the past,
so obviously he's come to that conclusion where he's got
to medically retire, which is sad because you know, Welchie,
he's been a consistent forward for them. I think the
(10:15):
last couple of years he's been hurt and there was
one year there he was a bit out of form.
But yeah, twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, he was a
such an integral part of the squad. Welchie and he's
great for a team. He's such a good laugh, good value,
and he's always he's the players man. Well, she was
always the first one. Have you thought something, you know,
if a young player was being treated wrong or you
(10:38):
know the club he was. He was the first one
as a player representative you go up to the club
and say, hey, we need this for the playing group
because it's going to help us. So shout out to Welchie.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Good on your Willshi. The first year of Magic Ground, Jacobs,
was it twenty eighteen? I think it was twenty nineteen,
twenty ninety, Okay, it's one of the most heartbreaking things
I've seen in the game. There was well she's mum like.
It was the parents weekend for Magic Ground that year,
so all the parents, different parents were getting up and
(11:07):
talking about a lot of the new parents who involved
with the club, what the club's took for as far
as parents and all the rest of it in their
experiences with the club, and Christian's mum got up and
spoke and she spoke really emotionally and she said, I'm
just so happy for Christian this year is having a
great season because he missed out on the Grand Final
that year with an ACL. Then he had another ACL,
but now things were on track. Then we went to
(11:29):
the game that night and did an ACL. Oh my god,
you thought it was her fault. No, God, damn you
put the mock on. Weiss turned around and said, what
I tell you.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
No, they are an awesome family. They actually funny. Well,
she used to go to and his mum taught there
Villanova College where me and Jack went to St. Augustine's.
They were the brother college for Queensland. So we actually
had You might not remember this, but they used to
come down and play us at the start of every year,
and we had two billets from Villanova coming their house. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
they loved you. They were they were star struck. Yeah,
(12:05):
they were star stroke They loved Reggie and some of
the other characters.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Remember we get bullets some down. Sometimes I'll get drunk
and give them an origin jersey. You had a couple
of billets from New Zealand, the old Lovely kids. They
won an Oragin jersey. Want a strange jersey? As they left,
I was thinking myself, oh God, to get those jerseys back?
Can I break it to them? But you know, I'm
to hang a pull rooms somewhere hopefully.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
In New Zealand. I remember you when the first house
built that we did, remember that, And then we threw
a party for the building company that had built it,
and Dad got so blind, went to the garage and
put all the got all of his old Australian Newcastle
new so Well's jersey and gave it to the n
So everyone was just wearing Dad's merch anyway. Then like
(12:50):
the Dad woke up the next day. I think he
tried to get a feel of them back before the
end of the night, but some of them slipped through
the cracks and he was missing a few. And you
were You were so devastated. I was because at the
time you're like, oh who cares, But then when you're
sober up, oh oh god regrets.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, but it's getting close now with the trials aboud
to hit well. Really, the game's getting into We had
trials last weekend, was getting a full swing now, yeah, oberrations.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Can I ask you before we get into some more
Rugid League news, there was an article to come out
of you earlier in the week. I actually reported on
it in my sports news in my sports report. Yeah,
the hard ending questions, but you come out saying that
you'd may be interested in taking it, you'd be The
quote was, if a club's willing to pay me the
silly amount of asked for, I might be silly enough
(13:35):
to take it in reasons to a head coaching role
that you've been approached for.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
It. There used to be a Rodney Dangerfield quote. You
said I would never join a golf club that would
allow me to be a member. So it's like, if
I asked for something, they're silly enough to pay it, Well,
why not?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Look, I think that went over people said the Roddie
Dantefield Right.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Anyway, I was probably slightly wrong. The context is probably
slightly wrong. Look. The bottom line is, and you know
because Buzz rang me because he did it a rumor
and what had happened. A third party just reached out
to me and asked me a very very broad question
and said to me, are you interested? Have you got
interest still in coaching? Which again very very broad question.
(14:15):
And some people when your third parties do play silly
buggers a little bit. I have got no idea. I've
got no idea who the club was, and I don't
want to know because then when Buzz calls and said,
who's the club? You can say I actually I've got
no idea, So who was.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
The third party? Well, no, you don't say that, but but.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
It happens a little bit. I remember when I was
a and firstly, I mean, are you interested? Of course,
it's like someone's saying, have you got interest anymore in
coaching you? I would not it out completely because, let's
face it, you blokes know me. If something happened and
my media gigs disappeared, what else can I do? And
I'm going I can't be a career. I can't drive
a manual.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
You could focus on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, but you're doing a slow takeover, doing a soft takeover,
I must say on this. But you know, it's a
little bit like are you interested in coaching? Still? Of
course I'm interested? At what point? You know what point?
He didn't ask me at the time head coach, assistant
coach halst coach. He asked me the question, would you
be interested in coaching? And I said yes? And so yeah,
(15:19):
I don't know where it comes from. I don't know
if the person was playing silly buggers. I don't think
they were. This person sort of stands up a little bit. Yeah,
but it's not unusual. I remember cooping nineteen ninety three.
Way back, I got a call from I got a
call from a third party, an agent, who said, how
are you going. I'd never met the person before, I
(15:40):
barely heard of them before, and said, you played good
this year for Newcastle. Would you be interested in meeting
and having a meeting with a big Sydney club? And
I'm like, yep, at the end.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Of the year.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, sure, because you know NRL stands for not real long,
you see what you can do. Which club is it head,
I can't say, but it's one of the really big
ones and they've got a number six that's getting a
little bit older and they think that might move on soon.
So I naturally sat there and went it's the Bulldogs, right.
So I was planning all through the year, going I'll
be meeting at the Bulldogs in the end of the year.
(16:15):
It turned out was mainly because Cliffy was a certain age.
They underestimated the cliff the fact Cliffe was going to
play for another six seven years. But yeah, and went
down a met But that's an example of how third
parties sometimes work, is that you know they box clever
and they will go to a person who asks for person.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Because because they aren't allowed approach directly some like given
contract sometimes right, and it's just supposed to only wait
until they're in there last year then you can negotiat.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, but yeah, and things like coaching, there's sensitivity around it.
And again I don't know how serious the person. I
don't know how serious the club is. I mean at
the end of the day, clubs or clubs bump people
all the time and say, you know, have you got
an interest? And then all of a sudden, if they're
look for another coach, they sit there and interview everyone,
you know. For me, I don't know. Put it this way.
I was just asked a very broad question. Are you
(17:02):
interested in coaching? Yes, I'm interested, you know, like me
saying to you, are you interested in going to New
York at the end of the year. What would you say?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yes, mate, we get it.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
You don't. You don't need to defend yourself here, which
is just me and you.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I'm your son, I'm not a journal.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Would you be interested in going to Quebec, Canada? Would?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Okay? So obviously not going to do well. Obviously you
don't know the club itself. But can I ask what
would be the clubs that you if you found out
it were a club and you have to isolate one club,
But what clubs wouldn't you touch? And what would you touch?
Because me from personally, if I was asked to coach,
I would imagine it would be very hard to take
(17:42):
on a I would actually rather take on an underperforming
club definitely than a club, say like Melbourne Storm.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah right, because that.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You have a you have a stand you're supposed to
go in and they demand instant success.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
You would not get as much satisfaction. There will be
nowhere near the same sense of romance if you just
allow Melbourne to maintain.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, you know that that's the thing. Well, imagine you
go to Penrith. Imagine if Ivan says tomorrow I'm done
and they approach you, Hey, you want to come to Penrith.
You have to win a premiership. If you don't win
the prem like nothing, even silver is not good enough.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
The one The clubs you want to go to are
the ones you look at and go they should be
doing better and you can see things in their game
that just need a little bit of tweaking. They're the
ones you want to go to.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah. So if let's let's say you let's say you
obviously love doing your TV stuff right now, you love
what you're doing in the media. Yeah, what would you know?
Is there a certain club that you would like to
work with, not from a perspective of success, but as
a playing squad. Is there a team that you think
(18:47):
are underperforming that you'd be like, Oh, that'd be good.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I think I think there's caught a few. I'm just
I mean, there's there's obvious ones. You know, there's obvious ones.
But you know, I've got to uproot my life and then.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
You could commute. I know, Rosie goes to Paramatta and
he lives in Paramount to Wollong.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
How long is that? How long would that be? Hour
and a half? Jack? Jack, just have a bit of
luck where we're going there. I don't know. I don't
think so. I think he'd be about now, because back
in the day, the great Mick Cronin may or may
not have heard of. He lived his whole life in Jeryngong.
Sorry he has lived his whole life, but in his
whole Paramoutic career he lived there living. Jerry Gong played
for Paramatta in the days before the Well's about way.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
That's about two hours.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Maybe back in the day it might have been it's
an hour twenty our.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Twenty well peaked on traffic. Jesus, Rosey, what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Rosie would sit there behind the wheel, probably just things
going on in his mind. He probably does a lot
of his thinking and comes up with his ideas while
he sit me on the wheel of the car.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, it's good on him.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Good, how is Roles he going? Let's let's move into
some of the stories going around the club. If you
spoke to Rosie, you speak him quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
He rang me the other day when he was doing
that drive. Actually the OS files. Great man, he's very good.
Sounds sounds very busy. I think he has been quite
busy with paramatter.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Which had he's had a lot to do with early.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, yeah, lots and lots to deal with. So I
think he's he's pretty happy at the moment. He gave
a few boys a big rap down there, a lot
of he said, they trained really hard. So they've been
and the playing group has been looking really good. I
mean I think you were saying, you know, they someone
saw Junior Paula at the airport.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, well, I went through the airport at Ballina and
there was young Sam and fellow there who was on security,
and you know you go through put the wallety in
through the other side, and he said, I made He said,
paramedic came through it yesterday. He said, I can't believe
how fit they looked. He said, junior bolo. He said,
he's just looked rock hard fit. So that's a great sign.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
That is a good sign, really good.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
So I say, he's really who's a great operator. Who's
there with Rosey Scotty Wiseman.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Where's he come from?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Scotty was years and years ago, was a player of
Paramatta at Para. Then as far as coaching has moved in,
he just moved into rugby union. So he coached at
the Wallabies and assistant for a lot of years under
Eddie Jones in particular, and then he was assistant coach
to Eddie Jones in English rugby union. But he's been
(21:11):
around a lot of places. Is a great guy. Scotty Wiseman.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
We had him at Newcastle cover, Yeah, yeah, Adam had
him there I think midway through twenty two possibly, and
he has a lot of good strategies that you know,
how to get the you know, they started around the
league at halftime. Now you'll see a lot of teams
getting their huddles, so the pack in the middle. Then
you'll have the right edge and the left edge and
certain groups together at halftime.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Now.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I think he sort of brought that in to Melbourne
and then I know we did a bit of work
there and I think all those assistants under Craig had
worked with him previously.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, he's a terrific fellow too. He'd be a really
good fool for Rosy and I reckon the players were
really like him. But yeah, he's had a lot to
deal with. I mean the Dylan Brown Mitch Mas' situation
more Dylan Brown. I mean that's been you know, for
Risy to walk into that that that's difficult and they've
got to get those clauses out because you can do
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it every single year. It's just that it's the worst
deal I've seen done by a club to give someone
that longer contract but then give them a clause. Is
it every year?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I think it's I don't know if it's every year,
it's every couple of years. And I think there was
the similar thing every two years Jack and firm. I
think there's a There was a similar thing gone on
with Forfeeda and Tino up at the Titans, remember that,
where there was clauses sort of every couple of years
they get them. Look, that's the problem at the moment
with the league. If you're not Penrith Storm, you probably
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chucked the roosters in there to an extent, like probably
not as much anymore, but particularly those two sides, they
hold all the power and negotiations where you come there.
And I was talking to Harry Grand about this the
other day because we were we were unpacking some of
the bottom team's bottom foward bottom eight teams sell cap. Now,
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if you're in that, if you're in the bottom ete,
you have to pay say I'm a player where two
hundred to get them out of a storm or in Melbourne,
you have to pay them one hundred, two hundred thousand,
more than they're actually probably worth and more than the
top teams can get them for. So by the time
you build up your squad of thirty, you've probably got
an extra two million. You spend another two million on
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that sort of average player who you should have for
two hundred, But you've had to get them for three
point fifty and if you're a top club, that leaves
an extra two million in your salary captain, to attract
a kayleem Ponger, to attract a Tom Trerovitch, to get
these big name players.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Well, how many times have you heard it that someone says,
you get a very good young player. Well, I mean
Blaise Delaney is the best example. I don't know, but
I would imagine maybe the Penrith maybe probably wouldn't have
matched parameters offer. But he's going, mate, I'm I'm going
to Penrith. Yeah, So people will go as you said,
Penrith Melbourne, Melbourne and those top clubs, they'll go there
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for less again, which puts so much pressure on the
on those lower clubs. But Dylan, the Dylan situation and
the Mitchell situation with the clause, what they have surrendered
now paramount they have surrendered power to the agents and
well under the agents, the agents have done a great
job there that you can never press the agent's fault.
They're doing the best thing for They've done a great
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job for Mitchen, for Dylan. Like if if as a player,
you're going that's outstanding because for years the clubs have
probably had held that power. But but okay, what about this.
If the agents get there one year and they say,
you know, Dylan really likes this play, love loves his center,
he wants to play with his center. We want you
to sign him. Oh we're not going to sign him.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Well, you know, particularly if that centers on their books.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Well that's well, this is the thing that can happen,
and this is this is going to be the thing
that Roles is going to have to wade through in
his time at Paramatta. It's going to it's going to
be tricky. He's got to rend ten Dylan. Yeah, yeah,
round ten At the moment, I would say Erin is
probably eighty twenty in my opinion. Then he'll stay. Although
the same Newcastle is going to make a big Lord Channing.
(25:10):
We'll talk about that in a second. But you know,
if it's getting close to round ten and they've won
two and they've lost six, then you don't know, well,
this is the thing. This is the thing about it.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I don't know how much he is on now at Paramatta,
but last year they didn't have a great year. Mitch
Moses was out for a lot of the year. He
come back and made a real impact, particularly in State
of Origin Australia arena. But Dylan, Dylan had a bit
of an off year last year. If he comes out
and does the same, has the same sort of performance,
it puts a lot of pressure on Dylan now too,
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with all this speculation. If he comes out and doesn't
play well, Paramatta have every chance to go roto Well.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I'm going to talk you through a little history lesson here.
In two thousand Bret Camawley naughty, very good friend of mine,
naughty yep, the camp was a revelation in Melbourne, Come
out of Nowhere ninety eight, terrific ninety nine, took him
to the Grand Final, won the Grand Final in Melbourne
Storm two thousand and they subsided a little bit, but
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he had a fantastic year as well. Was playing good
enough to keep Joe out of the State of Origin
number seven Jersey right. But at the end of that
year he made the decision Noughty that he wanted to
move back to the Northern States and what transpired was
basically naughty globe trotting well, going from club to club,
city to city up around Sydney and Newcastle and everywhere
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and it was reported on it every single day. Every
single day is reported and it really sad like. It
puts so much pressure on Naughty. And then Notty ended
up sign at the Northern Urgles and the pressure met.
The Northern Nogles had a you know, they were struggling
that season and everyone's looking Naughty. Well, mate, you're the savior,
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You're the both you were supposed to say, you're supposed
to do this. Why aren't you doing it? And I
went away that year in two thousand and one. When
I left to go to England boys, Naughty was really
like everyone loved Naughty. You know, it's Blaker's punched above
his ways, little Blake doing good. When I come back,
he was like Rugby League public Enemy number one because
of what had transpired there. And this is and it
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took him a couple of years to get that back.
So I suppose what I'm saying there with Dylan is
the fact that they signed the contract right, they did
that paramount right. But and the agent's the one passing
him around. And as I said earlier, NRL means not
real long. You get the best duos you can, but
it puts pressure on the player, and at the end
of the day, if they get off to a slow
start to the season, the fans aren't going to look
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at the agents and go you to blame the look
at Dylan.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, that's what's tough.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
This is where I think you've just got to be.
It's very hard these days. You've got to find a
way to do all this stuff to screwtly.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
And it might that pressure from fans or from media
might not bother Dylan at all. He might be a
water off for ducts back, which is fine, but more
often than not, you see the mental toll it takes
on the player when the fans are going after him
this and that and commenting on all the social media
and hammering them on social media, like that'll take quite
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Dylan's only Dylan's twenty four. Yeah, Dyland's twenty four, twenty
five years old this year. Yeah, that's a lot of
pressure to put on still a five eight who's relatively
young in his career. And the one point two million
dollars that's monster money. Yeah, See monster money is monster
is a bloke that will always perform at at the
highest level, has amazing consistency week to week, but elevate
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himself in really big games. Million dollars is monthster money.
But I do recognize supply and demand as far as halves.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
This is where good halves, outstanding halves that still haven't
quite fulfilled their potential why they've got the whip hand.
And there's talk that there's talked that I don't know,
I haven't heard since, but the back end of last
week they're talking about Newcastle. Is the club something like
six men for six years?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Even a more recent example Cobbos twenty twenty two, Kaylin
with the Dolphins. Remember remember the KP had another year,
but they were talking about what was happening in twenty
twenty four and the Dolphins went hard for him. I remember,
like even the playing group, we were certain that he
was going to leave all the meetings with Wayne in
Sydney and whatnot, and we didn't have the you know,
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there wasn't blame going around or anything like that, but
there is a weird feeling when you know your star player,
you know players other marquee players come to a club
four when he's sort of on the teetering on the edge,
it becomes a really weird feeling.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah. Yeah, it can affect a playing group, no doubt
about it. It's interesting with Newcastle to be a great
signing for Newcastle, no doubt. But Peter O'Sullivan the scout
and Peter Parr, both of them as far as salary
cap boy, it's going to put strain on that because
if you look at Newcastle at the moment, you can't.
Newcastle sort of trying to find the right combination for success.
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So in the halves, even the dummy halves, young Matt
Arthur's gone there. I don't know if he's in the
top thirty.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I don't know if he's in top thirty, but I
think he's a rookie either or so, which it means
is full time.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
So dummy halves they've got Matt Arthur, Finis Crossland, Jaden
Brayley and young Feller called Riley Jones. In the halves
they've got Cogger, Gamble, Jackson Hastings, Will Price who Will's
gone to and they're saying Fletcher sharp, they're looking at
him to play in the halves this year as playmaker.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Well they've named well the trials for this week. Will
Price is named at fullback. Fletcher Sharps at five A. Yeah,
so I think maybe they could have turned to Will
Price now to be that backup fullback option for Kaitlin,
which is a good run of the football. I think
he'd probably be as damaging in five eight as his fullback.
But yeah, it's weird. It's a weird dynamic up there
because you've got a lot of you look at you
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look at those particularly the five eight position. You look,
I mean the half five back position. You look at
those players. There's not a clear standout. So that's what
makes it hard for the coaches to actually settle down
and go right, oh, you know we've got you look
at Melbourne, We've got Jerome Hughes, We've got Cameron Munster,
you know, and Jonah Pezit and Tyrone Wishart. They're the
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there are those two levels below that where they're probably
all on the same level. A lot of those hearts,
there's four or five halves that are all sit on
the same level. How do you how do you elevate
one or two of them?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
How do you pick?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Because there's not a clear standout.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
And this has been the problem with with with Newcastle.
They're constantly through last year chopping and changing. Jack Coga
went there after what he did for Penrith and we
go wow like, and he would have went there under it.
I think I think he would have went there thinking
himself that I'm going to be the number one half,
but was in and out constantly. There's a lot of
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the instability there. It's interesting about Fletcher sharp like Jesus,
I really impressed with him last year, but he's playing
in the outside and interesting. That's a quick move to
move into being a playmaker. Yeah, the same. He's played
a fair bit of his junior football and the halves,
but to go from an outside back at the NRL
level and then go into the halves, that's a yeah,
that's a big transit.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Played grade last year, most of it was on the wing.
He played well when he was at fullback as well,
but he doesn't have that natural ballplayer stuff about him
when he was at fullback.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, well I haven't. I haven't seen that. Maybe it's
there because I would have thought that naturally, what they
might have think thought of doing was will Price and
six and Fletcher at fullback. That's what if if I
was looking at it and they said, you know has yes,
how are they going to fit this into the spine.
That's the way I thought that might have went. I'm
impressed with Price. I've heard reports that, you know, there's
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a few things and things are training and here's got
to work on his defense. But I thought when he
played there at Newcastle last year, is he just brought
a bit of a spark. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I thought he's class here.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, he is classy. He's going to bring your errors.
He's going to miss a tackle here and there. He's
a bit of a green horn like his little but
he just brings that little bit of charisma too, and
he's got that little bit of swagger. And I thought
the side lacked outside of Kaylen. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah. I coaches can fall in in a weird infatuation
with you know, you want to see consistency every day,
which is fair enough, which is what you want. You
want to know what you're going to get out of
player every single week on the Saturday night. But there
are some players who the risk is you know, the
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risk and the reward it's worth taking it on.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Jack Howarth is a good example of that. At Melbourne.
They signed him on a big five year deal and
how he was He's the kind of player who's at training,
probably not as consistent as he will get to when
he's a bit older. He's still only got twenty twenty
one years old, but that was probably a downfall whether
he probably didn't get his opportunity as quick because they
were worried about that. They said he wasn't ready, said
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he wasn't ready. When injury kind of forced him into
the side. He went in there and he just blitzed
him and he was there. He played in the Grand Final.
He's the kind of player we might take a dummy,
or we might make a bad decision every now and then,
but he's a he springs a spark and not every
player out in the field can do what he can
do well.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Munster. They tell me some of the training sessions with
Munster that honestly, you look at this place, at what's
he doing here that they say are going into the
debut state of origin. Probably the worst training session anyone
has put in at that level. And they it just
kept dropping balls and everyone's going, my god, was going
to go in, it goes out and gets me on
the match. There's a great little one. And I'm not
saying that it would be like this, but this is
(34:34):
I heard this story the other day when I was
listening to a podcast the Brazilian Ronaldo, who's my favorite
scurer player of all time?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Right, well Maradonna?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Ah, yes, Maradonna one are nine two? So what he did?
He went to from Brazil to PSV and iron Haven big.
It was a big it's a big Dutch club. When
he got there, before him was an incredible goal scorer
called Romia, another Brazilian, and when he arrived nine and
they went you and we know you guys, Roll made listen,
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you just come to training when you want and just
basically do you want? And he went, what are you
talking about? They went, oh, because when ro Mario was here,
he'd only trained once or twice a week and he
go our partying all the time. But he was the
great greatest goal scorer in our history. Isn't that how
you Brazilians work? And he's like, oh, no, no, no, I'm
a professional. I train. But it's just an example how
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everyone is so different. And I mean, there's an example.
Is it interesting one?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I just said, no, no, no, it made sense. I agree.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I was telling me, you're talking to talking about training.
I'd heard recently, and I don't believe it or I
find it. I take it with a grain of salt.
I was saying there's rumblings coming out of the Broncos
about Madge's methods now are hard, he's training. The reason
I don't buy into that is a Melbourne I'm sorry,
(35:54):
Brisbane are very split sort of. There's half the people
up there and a lot of the old boys that
are great happy to see Madge there, and there's a
lot of people that are and I think that anything
that comes out is going to get amplified. That makes sense.
He'll I think he'll be. It's exactly what they need.
They need hard work, there's a magic and sweat.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, I think I think we're going to see. Look,
it could go one of two ways when you when
when that sort of method goes up. Either everyone buys
in and you see an immediate you see an immediate improvement,
or there is you know, a bit of resistance and
you don't see it. But I think, I think, I
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think they'll go really good up I do to.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
I think that I can assume I've predicted a top
four finish at least I think they can win. I
honestly believe they can win the competition. I think I
think he can make them jump that quick. But so
here's the other thing, like Pat Carrigan to me looks
like a great pro. He looks like the bloke sort
of bloke that to train and not wing And if
he's a soenior player, then surely there's not blakes below him,
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you know that are getting there and winging and not
want to train. Sure surely Paddy Carrigan, he's the bloat
that sets the standard. I just can't imagine that quickly
given what the Broncos did last year, the players becoming
out winging about how hard they trained.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I even heard people saying how hard they've been training.
I actually I thought I would hear more winging to
be fair out of out of like more reports of
winging and stuff like that. I haven't read. I haven't
really read anything online or people saying anything.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
But he is a question. When you're at Melbourne and
they're the ones that set the standard, that's where you
know the model the match takes about pre season and whatnot.
In your time, there was there ever a player who
winged about the training.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
There was not to the coaches or anything like there
was boys, but there's boys like that. They're getting the
sheds and they go, you know, screw this, screw that,
you know, I don't want to do this. But there
it's there might be one or two when very quickly
that's the thing, very quickly that gets edged out, Like
there's people that might sort of winge here and there,
but because the majority and your leaders aren't winging, it's
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very quickly. That mentality is very quickly. Yet people just
get on with it because everybody else is doing it.
It's a pack mentality, right, Like if everybody's winging, or
if your senior players winging, it filters down and ever
run a winge. But if you're the one who's winging,
you're the outcast everyone Immediately everyone turns into a sheep
and you just follow the pack.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
But there's winging and there's winging. I mean, if you're
getting there and going, oh we've got wrestled tomorrow, Oh no,
it means that's fine torture. That's just natural, as opposed
to starting to try to gather blokes, collect you blokes
and say mate, this is ridiculous, let's scaut of someone. Yeah,
we're training too hard. It happens at a lot of clubs.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, I'd imagine that would happen at the clubs where
the players probably have more power. I like there was
reports coming out of South's and Parramatta the last couple
of years where that sort of thing would happen where
the players would they because they held more power than
the coaches at times, they were actually able to dictate,
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dictate what they.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Wanted to do. That's problematic, isn't it. Yeah, because it's
a human condition with training that you know that training
is good for you, but it's just so uncomfortable and
so hard. Yeah, the human condition that when you go
right over were doing eight four hundreds, people go, oh, yeah,
I don't want to do this, but I've just got
to suck it up.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Well, that your body's natural. Like if look, this is
an extreme example, right, if you got a knife and
you started cutting your hand, your brain instantly the pain
receptors instantly say stop doing this, stop doing this. It's
the same thing with hard track, Like it is the
same thing when you're going through a hard preseason session
sometimes it feels like torture and your brain and your
body is literally saying stop stop. What you're doing walk.
(39:51):
You need your breath, stop doing this, but you just
got to. And the way that you get tougher by
doing it is doing it every day and eventually those
thoughts don't go away, but you just learned to numb
the thoughts.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Had Ninkas Crichton last week here and it was interesting
him talking about the roosters. He sort of said, like
you said, there's a great vibe at the roosters, given
the fact that the pressure is off a little bit
to an extent, Like you know, most years will get
the roosters and they're always, if not the competition favorites
close to with this year, they're down the packing pecking order.
People aren't expecting a big season, which plays into their
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hands a little bit.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, yeah, well it's a bit. It's a bit of.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Feeling as a player going in that where people are
underestimating what you can do.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
I imagine it'd be a weight off the shoulders for him.
I'm keen to see, like particularly boths like Gussie and
those kind of middle middle leaders that they've had in
the years gone by, how they're going to elevate go
to another level without their proper leaders like Kiri Jared
blokes that have retired, what's the next level for them
to go to? Yeah, now that they're the big dogs
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in the club.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
He gave Chad Towns that are big rap didn't he? Yeah,
said he's been great. He said he's been great.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
The boys up at Cowboys used to say the same
thing about Chaddie Town's great hair, I mean great, excellent hair.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
And he gets good that first year when he goes
from one club to another, usually fires has good Susan
ye last one before Jackson got a few questions from
some of the listeners. Adam Faniua Blake, you were speaking
to Nico, Nico said he has been phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
All reports from Nicholas has said he's been amazing. He
said something that you're rarely seeing a front rower. He
was like, mate, I've never seen a lot of the
just his ability to talk and organize shape. Usually it's
the halves and the spine who controls and talks things.
Where if you have a front rower or a lock
A lot of clubs have you know, Penrith has aao
(41:44):
where he organizes the shapes, allows the half to organize
everything else outside of him, and Nico said it's been
such a weight off having someone like Adam there. He
organizes a heap of stuff and he's so smart with
knowing when the half needs the ball, if somebody and
if a shape is coming and a half ur center
starts jamming out the back. Sometimes it's hard for a
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front roller to see that, and they throw it anyway
and give you a hospital pass, whereas he picks the
right option every time. Apparently a training he said he's
blown Nickel away.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Actually that's a great sign for the Sharks. It's awesome.
That's just that one thing that sharks need, just that
an extra dimension in attack and an extra hard edge.
He brings both of those.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, yeah, so it's I mean, we knew how good
he was at the Warrior is like how he's been
consistent for them the last few years.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
He's been awesome.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
So it's exciting for Sharky's fans and just a.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Quick one for the Dragons fans. You're great things about Gotha.
It was always going to be that. It was. It
was the change that Gotho needed. And they say he's
training great. They did a session the other day, closed
session against scrimmage against mainly they said, like the way
he was talking the defense into shape. The players weren't
used to that. It was just brings another dimension of experience.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
The boys said though the scrimmage, they were very good
the Dragons.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
I get a quick comment from you both too. We've
had a listener Brett after the Lorry and the Brad
Parker episodes commenting he's been really displeased with the hate
towards the Dragons from you both. So I like you
both just give an apology to a listener Brett, if
that's possible.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
We'll never apologize for our comments, will never apologize.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
We're hard men.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah, not literally, Yeah, but you know.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Our opinion is our opinion correct. Yes, but we have
done it frivolously. We're going to do our season preview
in a week or two, a big season preview. But
I look at it like I think they'll I think
they'll have a good season. Yeah, they'll be in the
mid table. They might just sneak that seventh, seventh or
eight spot, just on the very fact that maybe he
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gets their defense going. But if Valentine goes there and
you can have a terrific season, Cookie can get forward
for Cookie, get him out of dummy half. And of
course they've got.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
More weapons and attack definitely. So yeah, look, Brett, I
hope we eat our words. I actually I hope the
Dragons prove us wrong because that's what we do all
we do when we setting challenges out there for them
to And I.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Know the Ben Hunt is big lost, but I said,
for two years when Ben Hunt wanted to go, just
let him go because the formula wasn't working. Now they've
changed the formula. Who knows?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, any other have you got any our listener?
Speaker 1 (44:24):
I think I think I'll be happy with that.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yeah, we've got feedback. We put it out to the
listeners last week, some of your bold predictions for the
twenty twenty five season. We'll have more in the weeks coming,
but here are quick three for you. Okay, So the
first one is Warriors win the comp metcalf to, Dally
wins the Dally m Maddie to accept the Newcastle job.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Cooper Johns one at a time.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Yeah, this is one. This is just one. This is
one massive prediction by listener Tom Right. And then Cooper
John's to take the helm Thursday and Sunday nights this year.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Ok So, Warriors when Metcalfe dally M. I take the
Newcastle job, which means my shows are vacant, and you
take that, I reckon that would oh tear what I'd
give that? About ten thousand and one?
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Would you?
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Okay, the question for you if you took a coaching job,
and you know, and let's say you just said, I'll
do it for a year or two, see if I
like it, and would you allow me to you know,
sit on your which to call it the Mattie John Show.
Still would leave it like that, But would you want
me to just sit in and help take over your
seat for a bit.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
I'm just trying to think how I would answer that. Okay, honestly,
it would have been if you if you if you
were married and you had three kids and you're going overseas,
would you let Munster babysit your kids for three weeks?
Speaker 2 (45:47):
This is the thing, though I wouldn't let Well, how
do I compare to monster in that sense?
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Now? It means that you're the thing that you love.
Would you let a person? Would you trust a person? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:59):
With that, well, you'd have to if you had to
let someone. But this is the thing.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
You have to let someone babysit that seat. But what
did well you get? Someone who's got a babysit kids
doesn't need to be monster. It might be Frank Penisy exactly.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
But why aren't I Frank Penis in this sense? Why
am I monster?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Because I'm thinking that if I go there and come
back ay or two later, I'll go what has become
of this? It'll be totally different. Chap watch it and
I just know what you like. You would not relinquish
the power. No, probably you're coming up behind me. I can.
I can feel your breathing down my neck. Yeah, start with.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
I don't see what I don't agree with. Worry is
to win them metcalf daally am I die? I think
that they've had too much. They've had too many big
losses Sean Johnson and Fanilla Blake. For me, I think
they they've probably been two of their best players the
last two years, and I think losing them is going
to be.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
A big id. Love to assue him be in the
top four. I'd love it, but it's going to be hard,
and you know, losing Sean.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yeah, and apparently Andrew Webster is doing amazing stuff with
them this year. Apparently they've gone to the next level, but.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Dumn broke his wrist in the troll game too, so
ill miss Vegas.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
Yeah. Next one is from Nick Wangman. Storm Duer Penrith
lose the GF last year and bounced back to win
the comps, similar to what they did in twenty twenty
to twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
I love it, I said, I think at the back
end of last year when we did a potty, I
think Storms the team to beat. I think Penrith have
losing Lui. They've lost troops before, but never somebody in
the spine who's as integral as a Nathan or Jerome.
I think that Storm haven't lost a cell and they've
(47:33):
gained Stefano, who apparently is training the house down down
there is Yeah. The boys said he just gets amongst
his work, doesn't wings, doesn't complain, which you probably see
initially from it's coming from different clubs. They come in
and they're a bit resistant for a bit, they're trying
to find their feet. Apparently he hit the ground running
and he's been outstanding. So I think they didn't have
(47:55):
Nelson in the Grand Final last year. That one two
punch of Nelson Stefano is just going to be really
hard to beat.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Just convinced me there, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
I think the biggest thing for them is if their
spine stays together for the whole year.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
You know, Paps and Munster.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Has had struggles with injuries. Yeah, last year sort of
on and off. But I think if they can keep
those that spine playing eighty seventy of the year, I
think we're going to see a storm side that it
was going to win the camp.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Yeah, I think there's going to be a fair divide
between the very best and the rest. There'll be a
big divide. See, there's certain we'll leave at the season preview. Yeah, yeah,
leave one more.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
The last one was Watson. Hayes believes that the Bulldogs
make the top four and the Roosters missed the eight.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Oh that's all. That's old. I like it. Yeah, it's
not out the realms possibility, particularly with Dogs look funny
with the Dogs. I think the Dogs can make that
next step, but it is tricky. Let's go back to
a few years ago when the Cowboys made the final
four really good because they're into the season with low
(49:06):
expectations on themselves. Then the next year, their natural thought was, right,
we're just going to go the next level. You know,
it's just going to happen. And you know the RSN
fell out of their season, so you've just got to
keep You've got to keep returning to the hard work
all the time and it's got to stay and have
that attitude. But one thing about the Bulldogs mate, it's
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it's a great club, but it's got it's got big expectations.
So it's going to be pressure on them to start
the season well. But yeah, I think they'll have another
very very very good season. They've got an established style
now which is a little different to everybody else. I
like what they do.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yeah, I like that feedback as well.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
That's it, that's it.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Just we're going to leave them for the season, preving
coming up the next great teas.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Great teas, so we do a hook and tees hook
and teas like fish.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Sure, all right, thanks matte Tea
Well, Kurps little bonus episode. Lot going on in the game,
but people look and go, hey, where are they. You've
had a renovation. Yeah, we'll talk about it more on
the Family podcast. But there we go, tiki bar style.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yeah, we've got a new studio for those listening. A
couple of couple of different options we've got with the set.
I still got the red velvet curtains in parts, which
is obviously our trademark, which is our trademark for branding.
But yeah, we've got some cool If you have any
suggestions of things we want to throw up on the
walls and stuff like that, we can you know, if
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you want to send us free stuff to put on
the walls.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It's a great idea.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Hey, feel free to do that to all of our
listeners out there.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Cool prints. Let this one behind me, people, there's one
like a nineteen to seventies print that used to see
on the walls. If your grands place and things like that,
anything anything you think like, honestly, just send it along.
What did that one over there? There's an old photo
there of Red d Reagan with Jack and Coops. You
remember getting their photo done?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I don't remember. I remember it was at our house
just up the road, not too far, but I don't
remember it.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, so what was you know? The two surfing boys,
Ronnie and Adam Blakey, Yes, prominent in the surf industry.
They had a they had a magazine called Monster Children
that was sort of like a fashion surf culture magazine,
and for the opening edition they asked, could we get
a photo with reg and you. Blakes were just hanging
around and they said, what don't the boys jump in?
(01:26):
My favorite photo by the way.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, well, it's not often you see Regie with kids.
It's probably not.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Excuse me for the coffee people. I've got a little
bit of a chest infection.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
You haven't been well.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Have you push them? Push them through the train? Like
look at the like sweat sweat going.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Man, you haven't been well?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Is it time? Is it time to make another little appearance?
Because redg disappeared during the work years and now you're
seeing woke die on the vine.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I think it's coming back. There's still a heavy resistance.
I think it's kind of divided, like fifty to fifty
now people that kind of want that old school humor
back and the people that are not wanting to it. Yeah, yeah,
so I think it's interesting the next few years how
the landscape, particularly in media because you see Dana White,
(02:13):
well yeah yeah. Dana White, while he was here for
the UFC, slammed Australian media calling calling us all pussies.
Oh come on, I don't think he was referring to us.
I think he loves the potty. He's a massive fan
of our potty.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
But I don't put a fit. Simon said a few
things at him. I think it was a shot back
at Fitzie. Yeah, there was a little bit going on.
Some people have an opinion on UFC. It's but it's
been The growth has been amazing with the UFC. Do
you think, right, here's a question for you. If there
was Floyd Mayweather, who would what would be the biggest
fight in the UFC if it happened tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Right now in the UFC, I would probably say with
current fighters, ye, John Jones he's the best of them all.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Jeez.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I don't know. It'd be cool to see. I mean,
I think they're different weights, but.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Like if they could get together anyone, Alex Pereira.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
And John Jones, I think they're both good, but I
think Alex Pere's light heavyweight and John Jones's heavyweight.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Okay, so let's just imagine for a second. You get
to walk through one door to a stadium where you've
got that UFC fight's going to take place. Well, through
the other one, you've got Terrence Crawford versus Canalo Alvarez.
Which one do you walk into?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I'd probably go to UFC. Yeah, I think they'd right now,
they're bigger names. I think they've been marketed well.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
That well this part of I mean people like Canelo
in in Mexico that he's a god and Terrence Crawford powerful,
the best fighter in the world. So those guys in
that part of the world they have monster profiles more
than the UFC.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You see, like the boxes now they have, they're probably
not as household names as they were thirty years ago,
where you had Tyson r. Lee like this, huge boxing
names which are gods across the world. Now, I think
the UFC probably market there. Of course, they're people better
where they like you see Conor McGregor people like that
who came through who were just global megastars.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Well, if you're correct me. If I'm wrong, well, it's
just it's one belt, So if you're the lightweight champion,
it's one belt where the what's really hurt boxing is
w WBO, WBC, IBF. It goes on and on and on,
all these different ones compared to the day, back in
the days when Mohamed A Leaf thought those guys it
(04:33):
was one belt. Now the king, king of the ring,
and I suppose that's that's the thing with the UFC, Yeah,
it must be. It's not divided up.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
No, it's a heavyweight, you know, light heavy but they've
got their weight divisions, but there's one belt in that division.
So it's very clear to see who's number one who's not,
Whereas it's very hard in boxing. Sometimes you actually don't know.
You think he's the champion, but he's not.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
A fighter, a boxer. This might interest you blokes, it
might not, but you know it might interest some of
their listeners. Anthony Mundane, great friend of mine, Choco Mundine,
he's his father, Tony Mundine. He fought made he was
an unbelievable fighter, incredible fighter. He fought a bloke called
an Argentinean called Carlos Monzon for the title in Buenos Aires,
(05:16):
and that was at the time when it was you know,
basically it was one belt for its division and Monson
beat him, but a terrific fight. And monz On I
read recently they put a thing at the top ten
pound pound fighters of all time a certain magazine. Everyone's
got their different opinions. They had Mon's on at number four.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So you look at Chock's dad, How good a fighter?
He was? Obviously dup geez?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Have you have you you interviewed Himus? Yeah, yeah, he's
a beast. He looked like he looked like you really
cut down for the most recent fight that he just
won last week. He looked like phenomenally put Sean Strickland
in a Bardi bag.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Just a just correct me if I'm wrong. I heard
someone the other day for him as Dutchman, but South Africa.
I'd say he's Afrikaans. Yeah, yeah, he'd be Afrikaans, which.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Is just played rugby union.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yeah, ut Dutch German? Yeah, I think he played.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Under eighteen's for like the South African team.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Did you like him?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Was a good going, good blow, yeah, really good blow.
It seemed like a really just knock about kind of
he really loves his rugby union over there. I loved
the spring Box.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
So that's the game of the Afrikaans. Yeah, yeah, that's
a big game.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
But back to before we move on back to Dana White,
I actually have to say I agree with him with
this media, with the media calling Australian media pussies, I
will see that. I agree mate, the cool buzz no
no no. But I think particularly in like you know,
there's and there's shows that aren't and there's shows that are,
(06:47):
like your show on Fox is quite edgy and it's good.
Thank god, yours is a good product.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Thank you. I was really concerned there for yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, And I wouldn't see you guys getting much backlash
or anything from you. Probably do get some stuff potentially.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
But I know about it. We'refully unaware.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Obviously the radio show, the Colin JACKIEO Show gets a
lot of backlash things like that. But I think what's
so annoying about media now is even when I say
we're doing a segment or something like that, we'll think
of a funny character, we'll think of something, and you
deter away from it sometimes or you're dull the segment
(07:25):
down because there's a minority that might be offended by it,
which is just you go.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
To pass it through the funnel. Well, particularly you Blake's
fanned out. Look the Sydney market, as far as I find,
the Sydney market, as far as radio, far more liberal
than the Melbourne market, and you guys have found that out.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, it just it'd be nice for Australia to go, hey,
you know what we're not going to like. Sometimes there's
going to be things we're not going to like and
we won't listen to it, or we you know, we
won't be a fan of it.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
But just turn it off.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Just keep your opinion to yourself. Just turn it off,
because there's people that enjoy it. There's people that work hard.
They need a break. They want to be enter time
attained by the things that they enjoy.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I read a thing recently there was Media Watchdog. There
reports complaints sent through and there's one complaint saying that
every morning I have to drive my kids to school,
this is a mobole and said and they have to
listen to that filth. Well here's the thing. Every morning
you're driving your kids and you are listening to the
Colin Jackie O Show, Surely you know what you're going
(08:23):
to get, So listen to something else.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Well, the beauty of social media is now you see
like independence kind of going and they make whatever content
that they want on social media and people love it.
People love it, but you can't see it on mainstream
like TV or radio because of clients and sponsors and
fans that they want to keep their brand image safe.
But you know what, entertainment's entertainment, brother, That's what I say.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
There are there are, there are boundaries. But I'm with you.
You know, some people get far too precious. Excuse me
chest again what I'm doing today.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I'm actually worried about you me to.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I am back on the point though. If you don't
want to listen to it and it's not your cap,
you know, don't don't complain to the media watch just
don't listen to it or don't watch it.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I don't want to see us on media watch dog
for having it, for just being honest on backstage, you
know what I mean. That's that's what happens backstage.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
And that's right.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
We tell the hard.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Shoot from the hip. Been a lockdown on the rugby league. Yeah,
it's been happening. Like what so you'll make Christian Welsh
Well she yeah, now's retirement. Hang on a second, a
question for you. We had Brad Parker on he was
medically retired. Well, she wasn't medically retired.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
He's actually he's he used medically retired. Oh yeah, but
not in medically yeah, sorry, not in quotations. Yeah, yeah,
a lot of concussions. He had a bad one. The
boys were saying in Geelong. They do Geelong camp two
weeks at start of the pre season.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
So it's concussion. I thought it was me injuries. Oh wow, okay.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
So he had a bad one recently and apparently the
boy said he's it quite rattled him where you have
those ones where you're rattled for like weeks and that's yeah.
Unfortunately for Welchi, he's had a few in the past,
so obviously he's come to that conclusion where he's got
to medically retire, which is sad because you know, Welchie,
he's been a consistent forward for them. I think the
(10:15):
last couple of years he's been hurt and there was
one year there he was a bit out of form.
But yeah, twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, he was a
such an integral part of the squad. Welchie and he's
great for a team. He's such a good laugh, good value,
and he's always he's the players man. Well, she was
always the first one. Have you thought something, you know,
if a young player was being treated wrong or you
(10:38):
know the club he was. He was the first one
as a player representative you go up to the club
and say, hey, we need this for the playing group
because it's going to help us. So shout out to Welchie.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Good on your Willshi. The first year of Magic Ground, Jacobs,
was it twenty eighteen? I think it was twenty nineteen,
twenty ninety, Okay, it's one of the most heartbreaking things
I've seen in the game. There was well she's mum like.
It was the parents weekend for Magic Ground that year,
so all the parents, different parents were getting up and
(11:07):
talking about a lot of the new parents who involved
with the club, what the club's took for as far
as parents and all the rest of it in their
experiences with the club, and Christian's mum got up and
spoke and she spoke really emotionally and she said, I'm
just so happy for Christian this year is having a
great season because he missed out on the Grand Final
that year with an ACL. Then he had another ACL,
but now things were on track. Then we went to
(11:29):
the game that night and did an ACL. Oh my god,
you thought it was her fault. No, God, damn you
put the mock on. Weiss turned around and said, what
I tell you.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
No, they are an awesome family. They actually funny. Well,
she used to go to and his mum taught there
Villanova College where me and Jack went to St. Augustine's.
They were the brother college for Queensland. So we actually
had You might not remember this, but they used to
come down and play us at the start of every year,
and we had two billets from Villanova coming their house. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
they loved you. They were they were star struck. Yeah,
(12:05):
they were star stroke They loved Reggie and some of
the other characters.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Remember we get bullets some down. Sometimes I'll get drunk
and give them an origin jersey. You had a couple
of billets from New Zealand, the old Lovely kids. They
won an Oragin jersey. Want a strange jersey? As they left,
I was thinking myself, oh God, to get those jerseys back?
Can I break it to them? But you know, I'm
to hang a pull rooms somewhere hopefully.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
In New Zealand. I remember you when the first house
built that we did, remember that, And then we threw
a party for the building company that had built it,
and Dad got so blind, went to the garage and
put all the got all of his old Australian Newcastle
new so Well's jersey and gave it to the n
So everyone was just wearing Dad's merch anyway. Then like
(12:50):
the Dad woke up the next day. I think he
tried to get a feel of them back before the
end of the night, but some of them slipped through
the cracks and he was missing a few. And you
were You were so devastated. I was because at the
time you're like, oh who cares, But then when you're
sober up, oh oh god regrets.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, but it's getting close now with the trials aboud
to hit well. Really, the game's getting into We had
trials last weekend, was getting a full swing now, yeah, oberrations.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Can I ask you before we get into some more
Rugid League news, there was an article to come out
of you earlier in the week. I actually reported on
it in my sports news in my sports report. Yeah,
the hard ending questions, but you come out saying that
you'd may be interested in taking it, you'd be The
quote was, if a club's willing to pay me the
silly amount of asked for, I might be silly enough
(13:35):
to take it in reasons to a head coaching role
that you've been approached for.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
It. There used to be a Rodney Dangerfield quote. You
said I would never join a golf club that would
allow me to be a member. So it's like, if
I asked for something, they're silly enough to pay it, Well,
why not?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Look, I think that went over people said the Roddie
Dantefield Right.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Anyway, I was probably slightly wrong. The context is probably
slightly wrong. Look. The bottom line is, and you know
because Buzz rang me because he did it a rumor
and what had happened. A third party just reached out
to me and asked me a very very broad question
and said to me, are you interested? Have you got
interest still in coaching? Which again very very broad question.
(14:15):
And some people when your third parties do play silly
buggers a little bit. I have got no idea. I've
got no idea who the club was, and I don't
want to know because then when Buzz calls and said,
who's the club? You can say I actually I've got
no idea, So who was.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
The third party? Well, no, you don't say that, but but.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
It happens a little bit. I remember when I was
a and firstly, I mean, are you interested? Of course,
it's like someone's saying, have you got interest anymore in
coaching you? I would not it out completely because, let's
face it, you blokes know me. If something happened and
my media gigs disappeared, what else can I do? And
I'm going I can't be a career. I can't drive
a manual.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
You could focus on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, but you're doing a slow takeover, doing a soft takeover,
I must say on this. But you know, it's a
little bit like are you interested in coaching? Still? Of
course I'm interested? At what point? You know what point?
He didn't ask me at the time head coach, assistant
coach halst coach. He asked me the question, would you
be interested in coaching? And I said yes? And so yeah,
(15:19):
I don't know where it comes from. I don't know
if the person was playing silly buggers. I don't think
they were. This person sort of stands up a little bit. Yeah,
but it's not unusual. I remember cooping nineteen ninety three.
Way back, I got a call from I got a
call from a third party, an agent, who said, how
are you going. I'd never met the person before, I
(15:40):
barely heard of them before, and said, you played good
this year for Newcastle. Would you be interested in meeting
and having a meeting with a big Sydney club? And
I'm like, yep, at the end.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Of the year.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, sure, because you know NRL stands for not real long,
you see what you can do. Which club is it head,
I can't say, but it's one of the really big
ones and they've got a number six that's getting a
little bit older and they think that might move on soon.
So I naturally sat there and went it's the Bulldogs, right.
So I was planning all through the year, going I'll
be meeting at the Bulldogs in the end of the year.
(16:15):
It turned out was mainly because Cliffy was a certain age.
They underestimated the cliff the fact Cliffe was going to
play for another six seven years. But yeah, and went
down a met But that's an example of how third
parties sometimes work, is that you know they box clever
and they will go to a person who asks for person.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Because because they aren't allowed approach directly some like given
contract sometimes right, and it's just supposed to only wait
until they're in there last year then you can negotiat.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, but yeah, and things like coaching, there's sensitivity around it.
And again I don't know how serious the person. I
don't know how serious the club is. I mean at
the end of the day, clubs or clubs bump people
all the time and say, you know, have you got
an interest? And then all of a sudden, if they're
look for another coach, they sit there and interview everyone,
you know. For me, I don't know. Put it this way.
I was just asked a very broad question. Are you
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interested in coaching? Yes, I'm interested, you know, like me
saying to you, are you interested in going to New
York at the end of the year. What would you say?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yes, mate, we get it.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
You don't. You don't need to defend yourself here, which
is just me and you.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I'm your son, I'm not a journal.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Would you be interested in going to Quebec, Canada? Would?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Okay? So obviously not going to do well. Obviously you
don't know the club itself. But can I ask what
would be the clubs that you if you found out
it were a club and you have to isolate one club,
But what clubs wouldn't you touch? And what would you touch?
Because me from personally, if I was asked to coach,
I would imagine it would be very hard to take
(17:42):
on a I would actually rather take on an underperforming
club definitely than a club, say like Melbourne Storm.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah right, because that.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You have a you have a stand you're supposed to
go in and they demand instant success.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
You would not get as much satisfaction. There will be
nowhere near the same sense of romance if you just
allow Melbourne to maintain.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, you know that that's the thing. Well, imagine you
go to Penrith. Imagine if Ivan says tomorrow I'm done
and they approach you, Hey, you want to come to Penrith.
You have to win a premiership. If you don't win
the prem like nothing, even silver is not good enough.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
The one The clubs you want to go to are
the ones you look at and go they should be
doing better and you can see things in their game
that just need a little bit of tweaking. They're the
ones you want to go to.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah. So if let's let's say you let's say you
obviously love doing your TV stuff right now, you love
what you're doing in the media. Yeah, what would you know?
Is there a certain club that you would like to
work with, not from a perspective of success, but as
a playing squad. Is there a team that you think
(18:47):
are underperforming that you'd be like, Oh, that'd be good.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I think I think there's caught a few. I'm just
I mean, there's there's obvious ones. You know, there's obvious ones.
But you know, I've got to uproot my life and then.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
You could commute. I know, Rosie goes to Paramatta and
he lives in Paramount to Wollong.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
How long is that? How long would that be? Hour
and a half? Jack? Jack, just have a bit of
luck where we're going there. I don't know. I don't
think so. I think he'd be about now, because back
in the day, the great Mick Cronin may or may
not have heard of. He lived his whole life in Jeryngong.
Sorry he has lived his whole life, but in his
whole Paramoutic career he lived there living. Jerry Gong played
for Paramatta in the days before the Well's about way.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
That's about two hours.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Maybe back in the day it might have been it's
an hour twenty our.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Twenty well peaked on traffic. Jesus, Rosey, what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Rosie would sit there behind the wheel, probably just things
going on in his mind. He probably does a lot
of his thinking and comes up with his ideas while
he sit me on the wheel of the car.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, it's good on him.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Good, how is Roles he going? Let's let's move into
some of the stories going around the club. If you
spoke to Rosie, you speak him quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
He rang me the other day when he was doing
that drive. Actually the OS files. Great man, he's very good.
Sounds sounds very busy. I think he has been quite
busy with paramatter.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Which had he's had a lot to do with early.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, yeah, lots and lots to deal with. So I
think he's he's pretty happy at the moment. He gave
a few boys a big rap down there, a lot
of he said, they trained really hard. So they've been
and the playing group has been looking really good. I
mean I think you were saying, you know, they someone
saw Junior Paula at the airport.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, well, I went through the airport at Ballina and
there was young Sam and fellow there who was on security,
and you know you go through put the wallety in
through the other side, and he said, I made He said,
paramedic came through it yesterday. He said, I can't believe
how fit they looked. He said, junior bolo. He said,
he's just looked rock hard fit. So that's a great sign.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
That is a good sign, really good.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
So I say, he's really who's a great operator. Who's
there with Rosey Scotty Wiseman.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Where's he come from?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Scotty was years and years ago, was a player of
Paramatta at Para. Then as far as coaching has moved in,
he just moved into rugby union. So he coached at
the Wallabies and assistant for a lot of years under
Eddie Jones in particular, and then he was assistant coach
to Eddie Jones in English rugby union. But he's been
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around a lot of places. Is a great guy. Scotty Wiseman.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
We had him at Newcastle cover, Yeah, yeah, Adam had
him there I think midway through twenty two possibly, and
he has a lot of good strategies that you know,
how to get the you know, they started around the
league at halftime. Now you'll see a lot of teams
getting their huddles, so the pack in the middle. Then
you'll have the right edge and the left edge and
certain groups together at halftime.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Now.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I think he sort of brought that in to Melbourne
and then I know we did a bit of work
there and I think all those assistants under Craig had
worked with him previously.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, he's a terrific fellow too. He'd be a really
good fool for Rosy and I reckon the players were
really like him. But yeah, he's had a lot to
deal with. I mean the Dylan Brown Mitch Mas' situation
more Dylan Brown. I mean that's been you know, for
Risy to walk into that that that's difficult and they've
got to get those clauses out because you can do
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it every single year. It's just that it's the worst
deal I've seen done by a club to give someone
that longer contract but then give them a clause. Is
it every year?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I think it's I don't know if it's every year,
it's every couple of years. And I think there was
the similar thing every two years Jack and firm. I
think there's a There was a similar thing gone on
with Forfeeda and Tino up at the Titans, remember that,
where there was clauses sort of every couple of years
they get them. Look, that's the problem at the moment
with the league. If you're not Penrith Storm, you probably
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chucked the roosters in there to an extent, like probably
not as much anymore, but particularly those two sides, they
hold all the power and negotiations where you come there.
And I was talking to Harry Grand about this the
other day because we were we were unpacking some of
the bottom team's bottom foward bottom eight teams sell cap. Now,
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if you're in that, if you're in the bottom ete,
you have to pay say I'm a player where two
hundred to get them out of a storm or in Melbourne,
you have to pay them one hundred, two hundred thousand,
more than they're actually probably worth and more than the
top teams can get them for. So by the time
you build up your squad of thirty, you've probably got
an extra two million. You spend another two million on
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that sort of average player who you should have for
two hundred, But you've had to get them for three
point fifty and if you're a top club, that leaves
an extra two million in your salary captain, to attract
a kayleem Ponger, to attract a Tom Trerovitch, to get
these big name players.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Well, how many times have you heard it that someone says,
you get a very good young player. Well, I mean
Blaise Delaney is the best example. I don't know, but
I would imagine maybe the Penrith maybe probably wouldn't have
matched parameters offer. But he's going, mate, I'm I'm going
to Penrith. Yeah, So people will go as you said,
Penrith Melbourne, Melbourne and those top clubs, they'll go there
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for less again, which puts so much pressure on the
on those lower clubs. But Dylan, the Dylan situation and
the Mitchell situation with the clause, what they have surrendered
now paramount they have surrendered power to the agents and
well under the agents, the agents have done a great
job there that you can never press the agent's fault.
They're doing the best thing for They've done a great
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job for Mitchen, for Dylan. Like if if as a player,
you're going that's outstanding because for years the clubs have
probably had held that power. But but okay, what about this.
If the agents get there one year and they say,
you know, Dylan really likes this play, love loves his center,
he wants to play with his center. We want you
to sign him. Oh we're not going to sign him.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Well, you know, particularly if that centers on their books.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Well that's well, this is the thing that can happen,
and this is this is going to be the thing
that Roles is going to have to wade through in
his time at Paramatta. It's going to it's going to
be tricky. He's got to rend ten Dylan. Yeah, yeah,
round ten At the moment, I would say Erin is
probably eighty twenty in my opinion. Then he'll stay. Although
the same Newcastle is going to make a big Lord Channing.
(25:10):
We'll talk about that in a second. But you know,
if it's getting close to round ten and they've won
two and they've lost six, then you don't know, well,
this is the thing. This is the thing about it.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I don't know how much he is on now at Paramatta,
but last year they didn't have a great year. Mitch
Moses was out for a lot of the year. He
come back and made a real impact, particularly in State
of Origin Australia arena. But Dylan, Dylan had a bit
of an off year last year. If he comes out
and does the same, has the same sort of performance,
it puts a lot of pressure on Dylan now too,
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with all this speculation. If he comes out and doesn't
play well, Paramatta have every chance to go roto Well.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I'm going to talk you through a little history lesson here.
In two thousand Bret Camawley naughty, very good friend of mine,
naughty yep, the camp was a revelation in Melbourne, Come
out of Nowhere ninety eight, terrific ninety nine, took him
to the Grand Final, won the Grand Final in Melbourne
Storm two thousand and they subsided a little bit, but
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he had a fantastic year as well. Was playing good
enough to keep Joe out of the State of Origin
number seven Jersey right. But at the end of that
year he made the decision Noughty that he wanted to
move back to the Northern States and what transpired was
basically naughty globe trotting well, going from club to club,
city to city up around Sydney and Newcastle and everywhere
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and it was reported on it every single day. Every
single day is reported and it really sad like. It
puts so much pressure on Naughty. And then Notty ended
up sign at the Northern Urgles and the pressure met.
The Northern Nogles had a you know, they were struggling
that season and everyone's looking Naughty. Well, mate, you're the savior,
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You're the both you were supposed to say, you're supposed
to do this. Why aren't you doing it? And I
went away that year in two thousand and one. When
I left to go to England boys, Naughty was really
like everyone loved Naughty. You know, it's Blaker's punched above
his ways, little Blake doing good. When I come back,
he was like Rugby League public Enemy number one because
of what had transpired there. And this is and it
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took him a couple of years to get that back.
So I suppose what I'm saying there with Dylan is
the fact that they signed the contract right, they did
that paramount right. But and the agent's the one passing
him around. And as I said earlier, NRL means not
real long. You get the best duos you can, but
it puts pressure on the player, and at the end
of the day, if they get off to a slow
start to the season, the fans aren't going to look
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at the agents and go you to blame the look
at Dylan.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, that's what's tough.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
This is where I think you've just got to be.
It's very hard these days. You've got to find a
way to do all this stuff to screwtly.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
And it might that pressure from fans or from media
might not bother Dylan at all. He might be a
water off for ducts back, which is fine, but more
often than not, you see the mental toll it takes
on the player when the fans are going after him
this and that and commenting on all the social media
and hammering them on social media, like that'll take quite
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Dylan's only Dylan's twenty four. Yeah, Dyland's twenty four, twenty
five years old this year. Yeah, that's a lot of
pressure to put on still a five eight who's relatively
young in his career. And the one point two million
dollars that's monster money. Yeah, See monster money is monster
is a bloke that will always perform at at the
highest level, has amazing consistency week to week, but elevate
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himself in really big games. Million dollars is monthster money.
But I do recognize supply and demand as far as halves.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
This is where good halves, outstanding halves that still haven't
quite fulfilled their potential why they've got the whip hand.
And there's talk that there's talked that I don't know,
I haven't heard since, but the back end of last
week they're talking about Newcastle. Is the club something like
six men for six years?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Even a more recent example Cobbos twenty twenty two, Kaylin
with the Dolphins. Remember remember the KP had another year,
but they were talking about what was happening in twenty
twenty four and the Dolphins went hard for him. I remember,
like even the playing group, we were certain that he
was going to leave all the meetings with Wayne in
Sydney and whatnot, and we didn't have the you know,
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there wasn't blame going around or anything like that, but
there is a weird feeling when you know your star player,
you know players other marquee players come to a club
four when he's sort of on the teetering on the edge,
it becomes a really weird feeling.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah. Yeah, it can affect a playing group, no doubt
about it. It's interesting with Newcastle to be a great
signing for Newcastle, no doubt. But Peter O'Sullivan the scout
and Peter Parr, both of them as far as salary
cap boy, it's going to put strain on that because
if you look at Newcastle at the moment, you can't.
Newcastle sort of trying to find the right combination for success.
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So in the halves, even the dummy halves, young Matt
Arthur's gone there. I don't know if he's in the
top thirty.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I don't know if he's in top thirty, but I
think he's a rookie either or so, which it means
is full time.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
So dummy halves they've got Matt Arthur, Finis Crossland, Jaden
Brayley and young Feller called Riley Jones. In the halves
they've got Cogger, Gamble, Jackson Hastings, Will Price who Will's
gone to and they're saying Fletcher sharp, they're looking at
him to play in the halves this year as playmaker.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Well they've named well the trials for this week. Will
Price is named at fullback. Fletcher Sharps at five A. Yeah,
so I think maybe they could have turned to Will
Price now to be that backup fullback option for Kaitlin,
which is a good run of the football. I think
he'd probably be as damaging in five eight as his fullback.
But yeah, it's weird. It's a weird dynamic up there
because you've got a lot of you look at you
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look at those particularly the five eight position. You look,
I mean the half five back position. You look at
those players. There's not a clear standout. So that's what
makes it hard for the coaches to actually settle down
and go right, oh, you know we've got you look
at Melbourne, We've got Jerome Hughes, We've got Cameron Munster,
you know, and Jonah Pezit and Tyrone Wishart. They're the
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there are those two levels below that where they're probably
all on the same level. A lot of those hearts,
there's four or five halves that are all sit on
the same level. How do you how do you elevate
one or two of them?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
How do you pick?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Because there's not a clear standout.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
And this has been the problem with with with Newcastle.
They're constantly through last year chopping and changing. Jack Coga
went there after what he did for Penrith and we
go wow like, and he would have went there under it.
I think I think he would have went there thinking
himself that I'm going to be the number one half,
but was in and out constantly. There's a lot of
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the instability there. It's interesting about Fletcher sharp like Jesus,
I really impressed with him last year, but he's playing
in the outside and interesting. That's a quick move to
move into being a playmaker. Yeah, the same. He's played
a fair bit of his junior football and the halves,
but to go from an outside back at the NRL
level and then go into the halves, that's a yeah,
that's a big transit.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Played grade last year, most of it was on the wing.
He played well when he was at fullback as well,
but he doesn't have that natural ballplayer stuff about him
when he was at fullback.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, well I haven't. I haven't seen that. Maybe it's
there because I would have thought that naturally, what they
might have think thought of doing was will Price and
six and Fletcher at fullback. That's what if if I
was looking at it and they said, you know has yes,
how are they going to fit this into the spine.
That's the way I thought that might have went. I'm
impressed with Price. I've heard reports that, you know, there's
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a few things and things are training and here's got
to work on his defense. But I thought when he
played there at Newcastle last year, is he just brought
a bit of a spark. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I thought he's class here.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, he is classy. He's going to bring your errors.
He's going to miss a tackle here and there. He's
a bit of a green horn like his little but
he just brings that little bit of charisma too, and
he's got that little bit of swagger. And I thought
the side lacked outside of Kaylen. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah. I coaches can fall in in a weird infatuation
with you know, you want to see consistency every day,
which is fair enough, which is what you want. You
want to know what you're going to get out of
player every single week on the Saturday night. But there
are some players who the risk is you know, the
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risk and the reward it's worth taking it on.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Jack Howarth is a good example of that. At Melbourne.
They signed him on a big five year deal and
how he was He's the kind of player who's at training,
probably not as consistent as he will get to when
he's a bit older. He's still only got twenty twenty
one years old, but that was probably a downfall whether
he probably didn't get his opportunity as quick because they
were worried about that. They said he wasn't ready, said
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he wasn't ready. When injury kind of forced him into
the side. He went in there and he just blitzed
him and he was there. He played in the Grand Final.
He's the kind of player we might take a dummy,
or we might make a bad decision every now and then,
but he's a he springs a spark and not every
player out in the field can do what he can
do well.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Munster. They tell me some of the training sessions with
Munster that honestly, you look at this place, at what's
he doing here that they say are going into the
debut state of origin. Probably the worst training session anyone
has put in at that level. And they it just
kept dropping balls and everyone's going, my god, was going
to go in, it goes out and gets me on
the match. There's a great little one. And I'm not
saying that it would be like this, but this is
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I heard this story the other day when I was
listening to a podcast the Brazilian Ronaldo, who's my favorite
scurer player of all time?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Right, well Maradonna?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Ah, yes, Maradonna one are nine two? So what he did?
He went to from Brazil to PSV and iron Haven big.
It was a big it's a big Dutch club. When
he got there, before him was an incredible goal scorer
called Romia, another Brazilian, and when he arrived nine and
they went you and we know you guys, Roll made listen,
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you just come to training when you want and just
basically do you want? And he went, what are you
talking about? They went, oh, because when ro Mario was here,
he'd only trained once or twice a week and he
go our partying all the time. But he was the
great greatest goal scorer in our history. Isn't that how
you Brazilians work? And he's like, oh, no, no, no, I'm
a professional. I train. But it's just an example how
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everyone is so different. And I mean, there's an example.
Is it interesting one?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I just said, no, no, no, it made sense. I agree.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I was telling me, you're talking to talking about training.
I'd heard recently, and I don't believe it or I
find it. I take it with a grain of salt.
I was saying there's rumblings coming out of the Broncos
about Madge's methods now are hard, he's training. The reason
I don't buy into that is a Melbourne I'm sorry,
(35:54):
Brisbane are very split sort of. There's half the people
up there and a lot of the old boys that
are great happy to see Madge there, and there's a
lot of people that are and I think that anything
that comes out is going to get amplified. That makes sense.
He'll I think he'll be. It's exactly what they need.
They need hard work, there's a magic and sweat.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, I think I think we're going to see. Look,
it could go one of two ways when you when
when that sort of method goes up. Either everyone buys
in and you see an immediate you see an immediate improvement,
or there is you know, a bit of resistance and
you don't see it. But I think, I think, I
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think they'll go really good up I do to.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
I think that I can assume I've predicted a top
four finish at least I think they can win. I
honestly believe they can win the competition. I think I
think he can make them jump that quick. But so
here's the other thing, like Pat Carrigan to me looks
like a great pro. He looks like the bloke sort
of bloke that to train and not wing And if
he's a soenior player, then surely there's not blakes below him,
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you know that are getting there and winging and not
want to train. Sure surely Paddy Carrigan, he's the bloat
that sets the standard. I just can't imagine that quickly
given what the Broncos did last year, the players becoming
out winging about how hard they trained.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I even heard people saying how hard they've been training.
I actually I thought I would hear more winging to
be fair out of out of like more reports of
winging and stuff like that. I haven't read. I haven't
really read anything online or people saying anything.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
But he is a question. When you're at Melbourne and
they're the ones that set the standard, that's where you
know the model the match takes about pre season and whatnot.
In your time, there was there ever a player who
winged about the training.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
There was not to the coaches or anything like there
was boys, but there's boys like that. They're getting the
sheds and they go, you know, screw this, screw that,
you know, I don't want to do this. But there
it's there might be one or two when very quickly
that's the thing, very quickly that gets edged out, Like
there's people that might sort of winge here and there,
but because the majority and your leaders aren't winging, it's
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very quickly. That mentality is very quickly. Yet people just
get on with it because everybody else is doing it.
It's a pack mentality, right, Like if everybody's winging, or
if your senior players winging, it filters down and ever
run a winge. But if you're the one who's winging,
you're the outcast everyone Immediately everyone turns into a sheep
and you just follow the pack.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
But there's winging and there's winging. I mean, if you're
getting there and going, oh we've got wrestled tomorrow, Oh no,
it means that's fine torture. That's just natural, as opposed
to starting to try to gather blokes, collect you blokes
and say mate, this is ridiculous, let's scaut of someone. Yeah,
we're training too hard. It happens at a lot of clubs.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, I'd imagine that would happen at the clubs where
the players probably have more power. I like there was
reports coming out of South's and Parramatta the last couple
of years where that sort of thing would happen where
the players would they because they held more power than
the coaches at times, they were actually able to dictate,
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dictate what they.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Wanted to do. That's problematic, isn't it. Yeah, because it's
a human condition with training that you know that training
is good for you, but it's just so uncomfortable and
so hard. Yeah, the human condition that when you go
right over were doing eight four hundreds, people go, oh, yeah,
I don't want to do this, but I've just got
to suck it up.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Well, that your body's natural. Like if look, this is
an extreme example, right, if you got a knife and
you started cutting your hand, your brain instantly the pain
receptors instantly say stop doing this, stop doing this. It's
the same thing with hard track, Like it is the
same thing when you're going through a hard preseason session
sometimes it feels like torture and your brain and your
body is literally saying stop stop. What you're doing walk.
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You need your breath, stop doing this, but you just
got to. And the way that you get tougher by
doing it is doing it every day and eventually those
thoughts don't go away, but you just learned to numb
the thoughts.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Had Ninkas Crichton last week here and it was interesting
him talking about the roosters. He sort of said, like
you said, there's a great vibe at the roosters, given
the fact that the pressure is off a little bit
to an extent, Like you know, most years will get
the roosters and they're always, if not the competition favorites
close to with this year, they're down the packing pecking order.
People aren't expecting a big season, which plays into their
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hands a little bit.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, yeah, well it's a bit. It's a bit of.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Feeling as a player going in that where people are
underestimating what you can do.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
I imagine it'd be a weight off the shoulders for him.
I'm keen to see, like particularly boths like Gussie and
those kind of middle middle leaders that they've had in
the years gone by, how they're going to elevate go
to another level without their proper leaders like Kiri Jared
blokes that have retired, what's the next level for them
to go to? Yeah, now that they're the big dogs
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in the club.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
He gave Chad Towns that are big rap didn't he? Yeah,
said he's been great. He said he's been great.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
The boys up at Cowboys used to say the same
thing about Chaddie Town's great hair, I mean great, excellent hair.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
And he gets good that first year when he goes
from one club to another, usually fires has good Susan
ye last one before Jackson got a few questions from
some of the listeners. Adam Faniua Blake, you were speaking
to Nico, Nico said he has been phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
All reports from Nicholas has said he's been amazing. He
said something that you're rarely seeing a front rower. He
was like, mate, I've never seen a lot of the
just his ability to talk and organize shape. Usually it's
the halves and the spine who controls and talks things.
Where if you have a front rower or a lock
A lot of clubs have you know, Penrith has aao
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where he organizes the shapes, allows the half to organize
everything else outside of him, and Nico said it's been
such a weight off having someone like Adam there. He
organizes a heap of stuff and he's so smart with
knowing when the half needs the ball, if somebody and
if a shape is coming and a half ur center
starts jamming out the back. Sometimes it's hard for a
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front roller to see that, and they throw it anyway
and give you a hospital pass, whereas he picks the
right option every time. Apparently a training he said he's
blown Nickel away.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Actually that's a great sign for the Sharks. It's awesome.
That's just that one thing that sharks need, just that
an extra dimension in attack and an extra hard edge.
He brings both of those.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, yeah, so it's I mean, we knew how good
he was at the Warrior is like how he's been
consistent for them the last few years.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
He's been awesome.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
So it's exciting for Sharky's fans and just a.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Quick one for the Dragons fans. You're great things about Gotha.
It was always going to be that. It was. It
was the change that Gotho needed. And they say he's
training great. They did a session the other day, closed
session against scrimmage against mainly they said, like the way
he was talking the defense into shape. The players weren't
used to that. It was just brings another dimension of experience.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
The boys said though the scrimmage, they were very good
the Dragons.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
I get a quick comment from you both too. We've
had a listener Brett after the Lorry and the Brad
Parker episodes commenting he's been really displeased with the hate
towards the Dragons from you both. So I like you
both just give an apology to a listener Brett, if
that's possible.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
We'll never apologize for our comments, will never apologize.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
We're hard men.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah, not literally, Yeah, but you know.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Our opinion is our opinion correct. Yes, but we have
done it frivolously. We're going to do our season preview
in a week or two, a big season preview. But
I look at it like I think they'll I think
they'll have a good season. Yeah, they'll be in the
mid table. They might just sneak that seventh, seventh or
eight spot, just on the very fact that maybe he
(43:46):
gets their defense going. But if Valentine goes there and
you can have a terrific season, Cookie can get forward
for Cookie, get him out of dummy half. And of
course they've got.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
More weapons and attack definitely. So yeah, look, Brett, I
hope we eat our words. I actually I hope the
Dragons prove us wrong because that's what we do all
we do when we setting challenges out there for them
to And I.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Know the Ben Hunt is big lost, but I said,
for two years when Ben Hunt wanted to go, just
let him go because the formula wasn't working. Now they've
changed the formula. Who knows?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, any other have you got any our listener?
Speaker 1 (44:24):
I think I think I'll be happy with that.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yeah, we've got feedback. We put it out to the
listeners last week, some of your bold predictions for the
twenty twenty five season. We'll have more in the weeks coming,
but here are quick three for you. Okay, So the
first one is Warriors win the comp metcalf to, Dally
wins the Dally m Maddie to accept the Newcastle job.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Cooper Johns one at a time.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Yeah, this is one. This is just one. This is
one massive prediction by listener Tom Right. And then Cooper
John's to take the helm Thursday and Sunday nights this year.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Ok So, Warriors when Metcalfe dally M. I take the
Newcastle job, which means my shows are vacant, and you
take that, I reckon that would oh tear what I'd
give that? About ten thousand and one?
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Would you?
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Okay, the question for you if you took a coaching job,
and you know, and let's say you just said, I'll
do it for a year or two, see if I
like it, and would you allow me to you know,
sit on your which to call it the Mattie John Show.
Still would leave it like that, But would you want
me to just sit in and help take over your
seat for a bit.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
I'm just trying to think how I would answer that. Okay, honestly,
it would have been if you if you if you
were married and you had three kids and you're going overseas,
would you let Munster babysit your kids for three weeks?
Speaker 2 (45:47):
This is the thing, though I wouldn't let Well, how
do I compare to monster in that sense?
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Now? It means that you're the thing that you love.
Would you let a person? Would you trust a person? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:59):
With that, well, you'd have to if you had to
let someone. But this is the thing.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
You have to let someone babysit that seat. But what
did well you get? Someone who's got a babysit kids
doesn't need to be monster. It might be Frank Penisy exactly.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
But why aren't I Frank Penis in this sense? Why
am I monster?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Because I'm thinking that if I go there and come
back ay or two later, I'll go what has become
of this? It'll be totally different. Chap watch it and
I just know what you like. You would not relinquish
the power. No, probably you're coming up behind me. I can.
I can feel your breathing down my neck. Yeah, start with.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
I don't see what I don't agree with. Worry is
to win them metcalf daally am I die? I think
that they've had too much. They've had too many big
losses Sean Johnson and Fanilla Blake. For me, I think
they they've probably been two of their best players the
last two years, and I think losing them is going
to be.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
A big id. Love to assue him be in the
top four. I'd love it, but it's going to be hard,
and you know, losing Sean.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yeah, and apparently Andrew Webster is doing amazing stuff with
them this year. Apparently they've gone to the next level, but.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Dumn broke his wrist in the troll game too, so
ill miss Vegas.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
Yeah. Next one is from Nick Wangman. Storm Duer Penrith
lose the GF last year and bounced back to win
the comps, similar to what they did in twenty twenty
to twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
I love it, I said, I think at the back
end of last year when we did a potty, I
think Storms the team to beat. I think Penrith have
losing Lui. They've lost troops before, but never somebody in
the spine who's as integral as a Nathan or Jerome.
I think that Storm haven't lost a cell and they've
(47:33):
gained Stefano, who apparently is training the house down down
there is Yeah. The boys said he just gets amongst
his work, doesn't wings, doesn't complain, which you probably see
initially from it's coming from different clubs. They come in
and they're a bit resistant for a bit, they're trying
to find their feet. Apparently he hit the ground running
and he's been outstanding. So I think they didn't have
(47:55):
Nelson in the Grand Final last year. That one two
punch of Nelson Stefano is just going to be really
hard to beat.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Just convinced me there, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
I think the biggest thing for them is if their
spine stays together for the whole year.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
You know, Paps and Munster.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Has had struggles with injuries. Yeah, last year sort of
on and off. But I think if they can keep
those that spine playing eighty seventy of the year, I
think we're going to see a storm side that it
was going to win the camp.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Yeah, I think there's going to be a fair divide
between the very best and the rest. There'll be a
big divide. See, there's certain we'll leave at the season preview. Yeah, yeah,
leave one more.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
The last one was Watson. Hayes believes that the Bulldogs
make the top four and the Roosters missed the eight.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Oh that's all. That's old. I like it. Yeah, it's
not out the realms possibility, particularly with Dogs look funny
with the Dogs. I think the Dogs can make that
next step, but it is tricky. Let's go back to
a few years ago when the Cowboys made the final
four really good because they're into the season with low
(49:06):
expectations on themselves. Then the next year, their natural thought was, right,
we're just going to go the next level. You know,
it's just going to happen. And you know the RSN
fell out of their season, so you've just got to
keep You've got to keep returning to the hard work
all the time and it's got to stay and have
that attitude. But one thing about the Bulldogs mate, it's
(49:27):
it's a great club, but it's got it's got big expectations.
So it's going to be pressure on them to start
the season well. But yeah, I think they'll have another
very very very good season. They've got an established style
now which is a little different to everybody else. I
like what they do.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yeah, I like that feedback as well.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
That's it, that's it.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Just we're going to leave them for the season, preving
coming up the next great teas.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Great teas, so we do a hook and tees hook
and teas like fish.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Sure, all right, thanks matte Tea
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