January 29, 2025 • 51 mins
The gang is back for Spilling The Tea PART FOUR! Judy, Jess, and Mackenzie talk about recent episodes of Housewives, Southern Charm, and more.
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Welcome to Backyard Oasis, a podcast designed by and for older adults living in the beautiful
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Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts and produced in the tech studios at Greenfield
Community College in Greenfield, Massachusetts.
Backyard Oasis reaches out to older adults who seek knowledge to help them live more
thoughtfully, healthily, and happily, who hope to inspire others with their ideas and
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who serve their communities in the interest of their greater good.
All right, this is Judy Raper, Associate Dean for Community Engagement at Greenfield Community
College.
And we're coming at you today from the East Building at Greenfield Community College, Room
101, the Community Resource Studio.
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The podcast studio had a little bit of water damage to it.
So we have shifted our scene over here, and it's kind of nice because I'm sitting on a
couch.
You like it.
I like it.
I like the new scene.
Unfortunately, Jessica is usually here with me in person, but her daughter's sick, so
I'm the only one here except for producer Alex.
But I do kind of like the scene.
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It's very relaxed.
I could fall asleep.
So I've introduced myself.
Why don't you two introduce yourselves and then we'll get right into what we're watching.
All right, I'm Mackenzie Shanahan, working from home, wishin' I was on the couch.
Just a mom from the Midwest.
I'm Jessica Nibala.
I am local to the Greenfield Massachusetts area.
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I am Judy's longtime hairstylist.
And yeah, my mom too, and hopefully I don't get an interruption today from my daughter
to make a special appearance.
I think I should note that for the first time in about 20 years, I'm doing my hair a little
differently.
I'm not getting it cut every week.
I'm getting it cut every week and a half, letting it grow a little bit.
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Oh, yeah.
Curling a little less.
Oh, so hard.
Yeah, she's in a growing it out phase for a new style.
Okay.
I wouldn't go that far.
I was with some friends last weekend, and I literally, Jessica, after you colored it
last, that's the first time in my whole life that I literally came back from getting it
colored and styled, and I didn't touch it.
I didn't curl it, nothing.
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Oh, nice.
And so I told some friends, I'm like, can you tell I didn't curl my hair today?
And they were like, no.
Yeah.
Where are your curls?
What do you mean?
There's no curls, but I have no bend to my hair.
So like, like zero, like it sticks straight.
Okay.
In order to just get it to like lay, I have to put a curling iron in it.
Yeah.
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So she should just like the size.
Yeah.
It doesn't look like curls when she does it.
It's definitely a Judy.
Only Judy would know.
Okay.
I used to get, I used to get permanence back in the day.
Yeah.
And even today, like when I used to get my eyelashes down, which I don't anymore because
I have a condition, but the smell of the perm on your eyelids just made me so nostalgic for
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the days when I got a perm.
You have a condition?
Yeah.
I have, I have a lot of, actually Mackenzie, you know what?
I was going back over some texts when you sold me that rodent fields, like whatever stuff
for my eyes.
Yes.
And I started writing, you know, Mackenzie, my eyes are really red.
Like, I'm not sure if this is good for me.
Well, a year later, I was diagnosed with three different eye conditions.
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So I could, I could never ever do that again.
No, we can't.
Anyway.
Okay.
Enough about my beauty routine.
I think that I forgot to mention that this is part four of spilling the tea where we
talk a little bit about reality television and what we're watching.
And I feel like I need to, I feel like I need to do a little bit of a disclaimer this week
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or this session, this, this podcast, because I just, I want to acknowledge that I know
there's some pretty serious stuff going on right now in our country and in our world,
and it can feel really trite to talk about reality TV, but I also believe we need escape
and we need to find joy when we can and where we can.
And so I just want to acknowledge that that we're not so shallow, we are unaware of what's
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happening.
Absolutely.
So anyway, so why don't, who wants to start with today and what they've been talking about
with a, been watching?
Okay.
I want to start and I ask, I feel like we've touched on this, but I just watched it.
Anyone do sister wives?
No, I did.
I did a couple of episodes just for you.
It was hard for me to get into, but I did watch a couple.
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Yeah.
A long time ago, I think I tried to get into it and okay.
But I know a little bit.
Okay.
I'm just saying that could be a lot.
We could discuss a lot there.
If you all wanted to do a little research, it's real good, real fascinating.
So not to interrupt, but is this a TLC show?
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Yes.
Okay.
Well, only because we're like in the middle of like fixing our streaming services and
I don't think I currently get TLC.
Okay.
Yeah.
That's a hard one.
Okay.
But the show it on Hulu too, Jessica.
Oh, okay.
So we just upgraded our Hulu live because of football in my house.
Very important.
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But yes.
Okay.
Okay.
So, okay.
Let me think of others.
Someone else.
Well, you want to say anything, but because I did watch three episodes of the current
season just to kind of get it, just to get a taste of what's happening.
Cause I used to watch it religiously.
Okay.
I just have to say that I feel like it all was a lie.
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So it's about a polygamous family.
He had four wives.
Now he's monogamous with one wife.
And now the thing that is annoying to me, which is often happens on our reality shows
where it's like, Oh, the backstory is we actually didn't get along or we didn't at that party
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that you saw, we fought right before the cameras turned on.
You know what I'm saying?
So a little behind the scenes.
So there's like, this is what season 19 and I could tell you every fact detail everything,
but I'm just a little annoyed at production and then because now it's like we go from
four wives to he's monogamous, but like, Oh, like there's just things coming out that
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were behind the scenes, but we never knew about.
So that is annoying on reality TV.
Do we agree with that?
So do you think he was only in love with one of them the whole time?
Oh my gosh.
Yes.
So going back to your disclaimer, there's a lot going on in the world, a lot happening
in my escape is reality TV.
And just last night, my husband goes, you have watched this episode for the seventh
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time.
What is going on?
I was like, I just don't want to look at social media or my phone.
Let me enjoy.
I think it's like the anticipation.
I know what's going to happen.
Like it's very calming to me.
But I think once he found that Robin, his fourth wife, but he might have, but he might
have been in love with the ones before and just found his true love on wife number four.
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Right?
Like, couldn't he have been leading up to Robin the whole time and not even realizing
he was leading up to Robin?
Well, now he said he loved them out of like a necessity.
Like he thought he had to love them and he married Robin, which was his true love.
And one of the wives even said the first time they went on a date, I knew he found his soulmate.
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So I appreciate the fact that he found his soulmate and they can recognize that, but
now he's going back and it's just, it's horrible, but so fascinating.
So what's the show going to be now if he has one wife?
Right.
Like, how does he, how do they move forward with that?
Well, one of his wives, the big, the big thing is we're watching her.
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She now is married.
So she's getting remarried on the show.
Which one's that?
Monogamous though?
Yes.
Yes.
Christine Brown is now like her, the last episode was her wedding.
Oh, okay.
I'm not, I'm not even close to her.
You were saying like as a viewer on any show, not just sister rights, like the whiplash
of like, wait, where are we?
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What are we doing here?
Are we getting married?
Are we monogamous?
Are we polygamist?
I don't know.
And is it about that forever?
Is this his religion based?
Like, are other...
No, and now none of them, Jessica, are religious.
But it's like, you never said that.
You never said, do you know what I'm saying?
Now everyone's like, wait, are you officially divorced because you didn't go back to the
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church and they're like, well, we don't believe in that anymore.
So I feel like it's all a lie.
Alex, it comes down to, I feel like my whole life, even though I've watched it 18 times,
is a lie.
You're just now realizing reality TV may be out to dupe you.
Yeah, yeah, it's not my escape anymore.
I'm gonna have to find something else.
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So yeah, but let's talk about something we've all watched.
What is it?
I've been watching Southern Charm.
Me too.
I just caught up on Below Deck sailing traders, new season of traders, real housewives of
New York.
Wait, Judy, do you watch Real Housewives of New York?
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No, but here's the thing.
So I'm not really a housewife fan anymore.
So what I'm realizing is like, Survivor and Big Brother are my two primaries, right?
And when they're not on, I have to force myself to get into these other shows, which I used
to just watch easily.
So perhaps it's a sign of my growth and evolution.
I don't know.
But I'm sure it is.
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But I started watching Beverly Hills last night just to kind of, because I thought you
too.
I thought you too.
Yes, I do watch Beverly Hills too.
Yes.
I forgot about that one.
Have you watched enough to talk about it?
I watched the first two and the most recent one.
So I'm up on Texting Gate.
I'm kind of like aware of that.
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Do we think that Kyle crossed the line?
I'd like to hear from you two first because I don't have the in between shows to fill
me in.
So I'd like to hear from you two.
I had a gut response to it, but I'm missing a lot of background information.
So I feel like there's a yes and a no scenario to that.
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I think that the four of them, like the couples that used to hang out all the time, I mean,
it sounds like they were all very close and that Kyle obviously had some sort of a rapport
with PK to be able to feel comfortable to text whether maybe most of it was just memes
and laughing emojis, but he probably could have reached out and said some stuff to her.
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And who knows what her response though.
Her response could have been simple like, okay, like I hear what you're saying, but maybe
we shouldn't talk about this or, or she could have gone down a rabbit hole and maybe talked
about her personal experience with Mauricio.
So yeah, I feel like it's hard to say like, yeah, I probably wouldn't like it if I was
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Dery at all, if that was me.
But I also think we don't know the context of the text messages and I don't, I don't
know, again, like they're grown women.
Like I don't know if she has to feel like she has to share that information, but maybe
to salvage the relationship that might be a stepping stone.
Yeah.
I, my first thought was Dery, honey, Texmo.
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Yeah, do they text, do they text?
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I would have sent him a meme real fast.
I would have been like, okay, game on.
But I do feel like when she showed her text, I think she came like, oh, I'm clean.
We're just memes and jokes, and then I felt like in that moment as she was reading her
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text where she kind of paused and then kind of like, I think she realized, oh shoot, this
is going to turn around on me that I'm breaking girl code and you even see Sutton and Garcella
and even Erica, who's always Switzerland was like, that feels loose.
Just the context of her saying, I won't, I won't share what you have spoken to me.
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It's between us.
But like then insinuate it's because like, you can't say it because of production.
Like, no, it just sounds like he may have shared some things with her and whether she
acknowledged or responded to them.
We don't know.
But I think there was maybe a moment and not saying it's a constant, but probably a moment
or two that he sent her some text messages about his relationship.
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And it wasn't, it's obviously not a hundred percent memes and laughing face.
Yeah.
And again, just sitting there like, oh, I got this proof.
I'm going to read it when she was like, I'm going to read it one more time.
One more time.
I'm going to read it.
And I'm like, okay, read it.
I'm like, oh, no, that's not.
That's good.
Yeah.
But I also feel like, again, it's so odd.
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Like you said, always with any reality, we don't know everything.
We don't know the context.
You know, it could be all be a lie.
But it's like you're in the same position as her as a human to human, a stranger to a
stranger, they're both going through divorces or somewhat, at least a separation.
What if the rules were reversed?
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I just feel like it was wrong.
No matter what.
Yeah.
Yeah.
See, it's interesting because I, because obviously I don't know all of the background
on it.
And I have to say like back in the day when I used to watch, I couldn't stand to read
and part of it was I felt like she had this fake accent.
And now that I've, now that I've come back, she doesn't have that accent anymore.
So it must have been fake.
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So that was really annoying.
And I hated the way she said PK and I couldn't stand the two of them together.
Yeah.
That said, so I'm not in, I'm, I can't like put myself in this situation because I'm
not in a couple.
I'm not part of a couple and have best friends that are couples.
So I actually was kind of thinking Mackenzie about my mom and dad and your grandma and
grandpa and like what might happen if Jim and Donna were going through a divorce, would
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my mom and Jim stay connected?
And I think the answer is absolutely.
But yet nothing, you know, suspect would ever happen between the two of them.
They've been friends for 30 years.
They would remain friends.
Actually my mom might take his side and I'll say, let's be honest.
You know, actually mom might stop texting.
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Yeah.
That is so true.
That is, she might forget you Donna.
You can, if something's wrong between the two of you, it's probably your fault.
But anyway, yes, but anyway, to apply it to the situation, like it, to me, it felt like,
like what is the big deal here?
And it felt really intrusive at that spa party when all of those women were like, you
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have to show the text now.
Like I was just really perplexed by that.
I thought Erica Jane was sort of the voice of reason and all this, to be honest with
you.
But I also feel like I must be missing something because everyone seems to be on Dereet's side,
seeing all of the fans on Reddit and all the social media sites.
Reddit.
So I think it's just the context of the text message that does sound like she is becoming,
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like there's nothing apparent.
He shared something with her and obviously what he shared with her was personal enough
that she felt like she would had to reiterate that she couldn't share it publicly or share
it in general.
Like she was going to keep a secret.
Yeah.
Whatever those secrets are, yeah, that would be unnerving as her friend.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
That would be unnerving.
I can completely see that.
Right.
So like what, yeah, like what is, and who knows, it could be something so simple that
if Doreet and her were still close and chatting on a regular basis that Dereet might have
divulged the same information.
Who knows?
But like, yeah, I don't think that would sit well with me if it was like my best friend.
But are their best friends?
I mean, they don't even seem like they're like, I missed the breakup, but they seem
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like they've had a lot of issues.
That came back to play.
Because remember when Dereet was like, oh, she met Morgan and now she does it.
Yeah.
And I don't talk to her.
And then Kyle was like, actually, we've only went off camera.
We've met like twice for lunch, which that goes back to what I mentioned my sister wise.
It's like, how much is real?
Because I thought they were like Teddy and Kyle close.
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I didn't realize it was like a more showy kind of friendship, but also side note, I
think the ladies and the fans are loving this takedown of Kyle because he is always at the
top.
She is untouchable.
They call it her show.
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I think they're all just sitting back like, yep, let's take her down.
That's that movie.
I'm living for it.
I'm living for it.
Yeah, she is a O.G.
In a nice way.
In a nice way.
I'm kind of sitting there kind of liking it because she has always been stirring the pot,
the one who scores the drink.
She likes to get things going.
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Oh, 100%.
Yeah.
And so I'm kind of liking that she's in the hot seat where she hasn't always had to, you
know.
I have to say the very first episode when I forget who went to visit.
So Kathy's on a lot of the episodes now.
Her sister, Kathy Hilton, is that her name?
Yeah.
So I forget who went to visit her.
I think it was Doreet went to visit Kathy at her home.
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And I thought maybe Kathy had had some horrible car accident because she was hooked up to
an IV and I was like, oh my God, what happened to her?
She was just getting her makeup done and like getting vitamin C pumped into her or something
like that.
Yeah, getting hydrated.
Yeah, hydrated.
Yeah, actually it's incredible if you've ever had the chance to do it.
Well, I don't have so I don't think I'd ever be able to afford to have somebody come to
my home to do it while they're putting on my makeup.
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Yeah.
Well, that's the new thing on those bachelorette trips.
You get a little IV coming and then you just start again.
Yeah, I have heard of those.
They have like people do that like nurses will come in clusters and then they'll give
everybody IV treatments so you're not hung over anymore.
You gotta have sunglasses on and start all over again.
You got money to burn if you're doing that.
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Yeah, yeah.
I actually don't think it's as expensive as you think it is when it's a group rate.
Yeah.
Well, I actually have a friend from who used to work at GCC who's who I'm going to see
this Wednesday for a procedure, but she now does that.
She now does the IV thing and you're right.
It's not crazy expensive, but like having people in your home feels like it might be
a little more pricey.
But yeah.
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Anyway, the other thing I wanted to say about this whole PK PK Duree thing is so I forget
I think it was the most recent episode where they showed Duree and PK in a restaurant talking
about their their.
Have you guys seen this one?
Talk about their marriage.
Okay.
So I don't remember the dynamics of that relationship, but I was disgusted by him like what he was
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basically saying to her was when I first met you, you had no life and therefore I was like
the leader in this relationship and I took you out and introduced you to everybody and
now that you have your own personality and your own point of view, I'm no longer interested
in you.
Am I misreading that or is that kind of the dynamic?
That was it.
That was it.
Oh my God.
Yeah, but also it is hard.
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Again, we don't know what is true and we don't know all the context, but it is hard because
they we have always heard about the rumors of hey, there's issues in the marriage and
they have always remained.
It's great.
It's good.
And now they're issue, which is true.
And now she is really pushing that he's an alcoholic.
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Yep.
That screams at her that like there you really start to see the agendas being pushed when
it's coming on the on the screen.
You know what I'm saying?
Like I would also like the authenticity of it all is kind of a little interesting.
And he seems in that dinner, I felt like he seemed very excited to be like three.
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We're not going to talk for a little while.
Like, yeah, I'm going out living my best life and she's like what is happening.
Yeah, with his new fake teeth.
It's like all reality stars.
They break up, they get veneers, they break up, they get veneers.
Like I love it.
It's this I don't know the life.
And I didn't I hear too though they're having there's like a financial thing like bankruptcy.
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Did somebody file bankruptcy or something to in that marriage?
Did I see that after the fact?
I think that it's going to turn into an Erica Jane situation with Tom Gerrardy because
every season is that not mentioned a lawsuit with PK a lawsuit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Money problems.
Yeah.
Erica Jane looks fabulous.
I have to say fabulous.
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Look fabulous.
She blames it on menopause.
So I'm like, curious.
She blames her extreme weight loss on menopause.
And I'm like, how many women go to menopause and dinner?
That's what I paid 15 pounds.
Exactly.
So I'm hoping I'm as lucky as she is.
I want menopause now.
Wait, who is this?
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Erica Jane says that's why she looks like everyone's like, oh, she must been on Ozempic,
blah, blah, blah.
And then she's like, no, it was menopause.
Oh, that's a lot.
That's a total lie.
Okay.
See?
All right.
So Southern charm.
What do we think of what's going on in Southern charm?
You know, let's talk about it.
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I have to say I have never liked Shep or Austin.
Austin Kroll.
I liked the first season because he came in like a Southern gentleman.
And we all know that that if we were, it's like when you order something from Amazon and
you get something that's not right.
That is how I feel about Austin.
I cannot stand, I cannot stand how they have this storyline now of Craig doesn't want to
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go out and drink.
Craig doesn't want, he's all about business.
Honey, he is 40 something years old.
That's normal.
Yeah.
And it's this huge storyline.
And then we've got Whitney, the voice of reason who still lives with his mommy.
Like, I'm just, I can't, I can't get down with the Southern charm.
I have always loved it.
But it's like, what?
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You're not Southern.
There's no charm here.
Right?
Do you feel that way?
Like, why are you attacking?
It's really interesting.
Okay.
First of all, you have to listen to the Watch What Crappens podcast when they do, when they
rehash the episodes because they are hysterical.
And the accent they use sounds more like the guys from South Park than it does actual Southerners.
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Like it sounds like somebody killed Kenny.
You know, like they sound like those people, but they are hysterical.
Right?
And they literally go line by line.
They completely retell the episode, but they use their little voices in their own commentary.
So they're very funny.
I had not watched Southern charm.
I don't think since the first season potentially.
So my first, I'm just now, what are we at?
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Episode seven or eight or something?
I'm just now able to tell the women apart and the men apart because they all look alike
with the exception of Venetia, who's a woman of color.
They all look exactly alike.
They sound exactly alike and they sort of act as well.
But before I started rewatching it, I was listening to a podcast.
Who was it?
I can't remember.
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It was two women that they were talking about.
Oh, no, it was, it was, um, what's the two Ts and a pod or whatever.
Don't get me started on that.
Okay.
Well, well anyway, they had chef on.
And that's what kind of prompted me to start watching it again because he was talking about
this like complete transformation he had as a result of a four day trip to Costa Rica.
Oh yeah.
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And he basically, apparently there was some horrible thing that happened on Brava Khan
where he like was completely wasted in public and on national television or whatever.
So he claims he went to Costa Rica for four days.
He did not quit drinking.
No, but he's now a new person.
He doesn't dabble in the hard liquor.
He's like one of those people.
Now he's a beer or a wine person.
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California sober.
California sober.
Yeah.
Like James Kennedy.
Yeah.
Oh, we got to talk about who is not sober anymore.
He is.
I just read yesterday.
He is again, maybe.
Yeah.
I think again.
Yeah.
Maybe now that his world is crashing down yet, maybe he's sober, but he wasn't sober
when that new.
Right.
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But that was like, that was about seven or eight months ago.
Like she like a couple days, a couple days ago, I think their breakup became official.
And she made a public statement.
Yeah.
Anyway, back to Southern charm.
We don't want to jump around too much.
So, um, so anyway.
So I have a, I have major trouble telling these people apart.
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I'm really finding it hard to stick with it.
Um, but the other day, you know how like when the, when the, when the last episode plays,
sometimes it will like go into an episode of another show that's similar to it to see
if you like it.
Yeah.
So the other day, um, Southern char, what was it called?
Is it Southern hospitality?
Oh, I watched that too.
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I think that's the one that showed up.
It's Levis, it's Levis show, it's Levis restaurant that is that it's yeah.
Wait, that's not the one I saw.
I saw Southern charm New Orleans, I think.
Oh, that's so much that one.
Okay.
Yeah.
I think it is.
I think it's really old.
Only ran two seasons, but I love it.
I think it's much better than Southern charm.
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Yeah, you would.
Why do you say that?
I don't know.
Well, cause the people are like, they look like normal people.
They live in small apartments.
Yeah, I like that.
Okay.
Other comments on Southern charm because I don't think Jessica's weighed in.
I can't stand it.
I think that this season to me, it's they're reaching for drama to create storylines.
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I think they brought Sally in to add drama to Taylor's relationship because Sally was
used to be in love or hook up with her boyfriend.
They're really trying to get Gaston Gaston.
Yeah.
I'm trying to give him a bad edit on the show.
But again, I think making storylines relevant.
I think the whole thing with Austin and Craig, like by the pool, like that whole scene, it's
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just like, again, I think it's like Austin doesn't have much else going on.
So like let's have him be upset with Craig and then maybe end their podcast.
And then you've got, try to think, oh, and then the whole Craig making up the, that JT
called Patricia the B word, which didn't happen.
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That I didn't see.
Yeah.
I don't think it happened.
Everything's like reaching to me.
It's just like a season where they're reaching for storylines because there's not a whole
lot going on.
Yeah.
Last episode, we were at a tuba concert.
Okay.
Okay.
I have to say, I have to say, I love Molly.
Oh, I love her.
I love her.
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The fact that Molly has returned to the tuba after years of absence and she cried about
it.
It shows me she has substance.
Her love for music.
Yeah.
But maybe not on my Southern charm TV when I want to escape the realities of the world.
I don't care about your tuba concert.
I go to my concert.
I'm also feeling like Shep.
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Does he have a thing for Molly?
Like a little bit.
Like planting the seed.
Can go down that route.
How ancestral the whole group is.
It is.
Like Sally hooked up with Gaston and Taylor's like, it's all like, I can't keep track.
And then we have Patricia, this matriarch, like how they put her in every once in a while.
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I'm like, ew, I don't want to sit at her dinner table.
Does she have friends her own age?
No.
She's 82.
I think she's like, I don't know.
It's just, there's too many weird dynamics that I used to laugh at.
But now I'm like, I don't want to see her pug napkin holder.
Like I don't care.
And I love the reference that all the guys in Southern charm are like Peter Pan.
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They never want to grow up.
Oh, absolutely.
And it's like watching it.
It's like, ew, I don't like this.
I can relate to that.
But Craig, I do feel like is growing up and I do feel like that's why they're giving
him a hard time because in like, in the reality of it all, like, I mean, unfortunately, he
and Paige broke up, which was sad.
But I do think the next woman that he meets, she has changed him for the better.
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Yes.
And can we talk about that now?
Can we talk about the breakup?
Yes.
I think so.
It's public.
I know we can talk about it.
We do know it's public duty.
But can we talk about it?
Like how he even went on his Instagram and said I was blindsided like the rest of you.
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And now it has to be fascinating watching it back, like watching the episodes back where
like, I mean, I noticed it before, but how he's like, honey, what do you want in this
room?
What do you want this bonus room to be?
Do you want me to add?
And she's like, I don't care.
I don't care.
But I think it's also the gender role reversal, how it seems like she gives zero and she's
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living her life on the Instagram and she's at the football game and she's got mirror
selfies and he seems like sad, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like I give you the white picket fence.
I give you the home.
Literally.
Yeah.
Like, and then every time I feel like he brought up, when do you want to have kids?
When should we get married?
Oh, I'm like a couple of years away from that or I will move, but I will move.
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She's Peter Pan.
She's Peter Pan.
She doesn't want to be in her family in New York City.
Honey, you are approaching 30.
Let's get on this.
She's over 30.
She turned 30.
Yeah.
Okay.
She made a really big deal about turning 30 about how like her looks are going to start
declining now.
I'm like, oh, just wait, honey.
Yeah.
Listen, I have always loved her, but this whole like I'm independent woman.
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I'm all about being independent, whoops, and honey, live your life.
But like, what have you felt this way and you've dragged him on?
Well, right.
And I think that's what makes it sad is that I do feel like she at the end of the day didn't
give at all.
And I think that she maybe didn't have any intention of moving in together and coexisting
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and having a family and doing all the things.
Yeah.
And I wonder if like, are you relating to this, Alex?
Alex is nodding his head.
I'm telling you, when Alex smiles and nods his head, I feel like we are saving the world.
He's like, oh yeah.
Yeah.
I'm like, okay, we got it.
We got it.
So yeah, I don't know.
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I just think that whole gender reverse role and changing and he's the sad one and she's
living her life.
It's all fascinating.
Yeah.
You could definitely like, I kind of forgot they had broken up when I was sort of watching
Southern Charm because I do also watch the other one.
She's on Summer House.
I'm just a little bit of that.
I literally said out loud to my TV the other day, this relationship is not going to work.
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Forgetting that they had broken up because I forget who he's talking to, one of his
male friends and he's like, she's worth waiting for, but she's just not ready for A, B and
C and I'm ready.
And I think he's like in his 40s, right?
And she just turned 30.
So I just think, I don't think there's anything nefarious or terrible about it.
They're just at different places in their life.
They just...
Right.
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And I think like their breakup was very like amicable.
Like they're not...
They don't hate each other.
No.
Like they're still love there.
I will say though, just so we're not completely bashing cage, she did shed some tears on her
podcast about the breakup.
So it's nice to see that she is a little sad.
Okay.
But...
You'd like to see a little sadness.
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Yeah.
She did cry.
Okay.
But I do think that this is...
It's her.
It's obviously the reason.
All right.
I mean, let's face it, y'all.
These people are all shallow.
Like we are not talking about people with incredible depth and a strong moral compass
on any of these shows.
No.
Have you seen...
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I don't remember what reunion it is and they're sitting there and they're calling a housewife
a narcissist.
And Andy Cohen goes, look around guys.
We are TV cameras.
We're all little narcissistic.
For sure.
Yeah.
Wait.
Side note, did you see...
This brings in traders.
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Did you see Lindsay Hubbard on the skinny, not fat podcast?
Oh no.
She set...
You know, Lindsay Hubbard Judy from...
Remind me who she is.
Summerhouse.
She's the one who broke up...
Carl and Lindsay were engaged.
They broke up on camera.
Oh, her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Okay.
He had her baby with another man, not Carl.
And she went on a podcast and said that Dorinda Medley was the one who outed her pregnancy.
Wow.
Really?
Yes.
But where?
That they were at a...
Was it maybe New Year's Eve party somewhere?
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And it was a bunch of like Bravo people.
Margaret Drossa was there.
Maybe it was her party.
And she said that she was hearing from people at the party that said she was saying Lindsay's
pregnant, Lindsay's pregnant.
She can't go on traders because she's pregnant.
And then Lindsay was like, I have to put a statement out because now Dorinda has flabbed
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to the world, which we were seeing those Reddit posts and all that, but it was Dorinda Medley.
Not surprising.
I was sure.
I was sure by that.
Not surprising.
Did she go home the first night of traders?
Second.
I think second episode.
Oh yes.
Yeah.
She was one of the...
That's true.
Diane McKenzie, when she was interviewed, when she did her post exit or her exit interview,
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she basically said that one of her favorite people was Tom Sandoval, that she had a soft
spot for him and she wanted to protect him.
I'm going to throw up in my mouth.
Are you?
I just got done telling Judy how I feel like I can't stand watching him like, because even
on this reality show, he was like, trying to care for somebody's feelings and like,
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it just sounds so fake.
It's so fake.
It's funny because Crescelle is on the show.
I don't know if you guys watch...
She's one of the Bambis.
Yeah.
Was she a Bambi?
Yeah.
So she's on the Netflix series, Selling Sunset.
Is that what it is?
Yes.
Yes.
And so she is friends with Ariana and like...
Oh right.
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...was very vocal about her not liking Tom and like, was saying like, you know, I feel
like a trader can lie to you, whatever, stay blah, blah, blah.
And then like, that's she had like voted for Tom to try to get him off the island per
se, but...
The island?
But I can't, I can't with him.
I just cannot.
No.
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He's kind of invisible on the show.
He's not a main character at all.
Yeah.
Bob Harper is more of a main character than Tom Sandoval.
And he's the biggest loser 40 years ago, you know?
Wait, so for traders, did everyone just not like Dorinda and they voted her off?
No, it's not really like...
It doesn't, it doesn't, it's not like a popularity contest.
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I think they were kind of going after the housewives, like multiple housewives got
voted off for some reason, like Robin got voted off the last episode.
So right.
So that's what seems to happen on the show is that they all kind of form alliances.
So like, if they're all like...
Based on the show.
...all the housewives, right, will have come together, then there's like what they call
the Bambies because they're all these like, cutesy little beautiful big Joey eyes ladies.
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No.
They called him the Bambies?
They called themselves the Bambies.
I'm gonna throw up.
And then you have like your, you know, like your survivor, what's the other show?
Big Brother.
Yeah.
And then we go West from a real world on there.
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They give a random aristocrat.
Yeah, yeah.
There's always a British, like a British...
There's always like one person who's from like the parliament of Britain or something.
And like this guy became...
He's like, how is he related?
I don't know.
I just know he's an aristocrat.
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That's all I know.
Yeah.
He's related to the queen or something somehow.
And then he was married to a woman and then they got divorced.
And then he is now married to a man, I think.
So like that's also how he became like famous because I think it's inbound upon to be gay.
He's probably friends with Alan Cummings, you know?
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Although Alan lives in New York City, right?
He has a bar and everything there.
You know, something that was another thing I wanted to go down the rabbit hole is, does
Alan own that castle?
I don't think so.
Because Chris Shells made a comment saying like, I would love to sell this for you if
you want to put on the market.
He was like, this is not for sale.
Oops.
Oh.
So I was like, oh, does he own that castle?
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Because that would be amazing.
So this season, I don't think is as strong as the last couple of seasons.
And I think part of the reason it's not as strong is I think the people that they put
together to be the traders were never going to work.
That was never going to be.
So Mackenzie, I don't know if you know all these people, but it was, he calls himself
Bob the drag queen.
I don't know what show he's on.
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Is it?
Well, he was RuPaul.
So yeah.
So I always do feel like there's somebody from RuPaul's drag race out there.
So he was on there.
So him and Boston Robb from Survivor and Carolyn from Survivor and Danielle from Big Brother
were the traders.
Well they are the traders.
So Bob, Bob the drag queen turned on, on Boston Robb.
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So Boston Robb got rid of him.
So he's gone.
And then so that, so it leaves Carolyn.
You probably don't know any of these people, right?
You know what's funny?
The housewife.
I don't know any of them either, except for, you know, the housewife Chanel, is that her
name from housewives of Debois Chanel?
Dubai.
Yeah.
Dubai.
You love geography.
What did you do?
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Actually geography is enough.
No, I love like.
Economics and history.
Oh, okay.
Not names of Dubai.
Okay.
That was a, that was a grandma Donna moment.
Okay.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Anyway, she thought all of the survive people from Survivor were people who had survived
some sort of traumatic life, life thing.
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That's what she thought.
She had no idea.
She goes, you know, I've survived like, like the things that she had survived were unthinkable,
you know, like she's been through all of this stuff.
And she goes, and I thought.
And so she goes, I finally said to one of them, I go, so what if you survived?
And one of them said, well, I lost 40 pounds.
It was Derek, Derek from Big Brother had like was a little bit overweight.
And she was like, okay.
So they never caught on to the fact that that's who she thought they were.
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Oh, well, she has died a lot.
She has.
Yes.
Okay.
Anyway, it's not, I don't think it's as good a season because the traders hate each other.
Are they trading?
Well, they're starting to, yeah, they're starting to hate each other because they're starting
to kind of turn, turn on each other in some way, shape or form.
Like I have to say, like Bob the drag queen saying something about all the new guys coming
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in, which was Boston Robb, Derek and Wes, that one of them has to be a trader when you've
got, you are a trader and you've got one of them as a trader.
So you're pretty are just like putting the spotlight on one of them.
And so why wouldn't you feel threatened by a comment like that?
Like, I don't think he saw that one through.
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And I think the other reason McKenzie that all the housewives get out, out are is that
and remember, we used to talk about the different categories of reality TVs.
There's like dating shows, competition shows, just living your life shows.
The Bravo housewives have no idea how to play a game.
No.
Whereas big brother and survivor, their, their reality shows were all about competition and
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how do you, you know, like how do you outlast, outwit, outplay?
So I think the housewives just have no idea what they're doing, especially when they think
the people from survivor are people who survived something traumatic.
Yeah.
They clearly are out of their league.
Yeah.
Clearly.
So I think that's why they don't last because they don't know what they're doing.
And they just want to, and they just want to make good TV because that's what they're,
they're used to.
That's their game.
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Yeah.
They're used to that.
But the producers are smart for getting them.
I know people laugh at the reality stars, but it brings a crowd.
Oh, for sure.
Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
No, I love, I love.
What I love about the traders is that they bring all these shows together.
So no matter what you watch, you have somebody to root for.
That's the one.
Okay.
Although are you rooting for anyone, Jessica?
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No, I think it's too early for me to feel like who I think would, you know, although
I mean, I always liked Bob from biggest loser.
So I just like, I hope to use a faithful.
So I feel like, you know, it'd be nice to see, you know, see them win.
Brittany was one of my favorite all time big brother players.
So, okay.
But she's kind of just flying under the radar and not doing much, but she was always very
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funny on big brother.
I was really liked her.
Well, so we don't have a lot of time left.
Is there any other thing that you're watching that you want to touch on?
Well, I just, I know you don't watch Real Housewives of New York City.
You do, Mackenzie, did you watch the last episode?
I feel like that ended on a very kind of sad note with, with Brynn in terms of like where
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we'll like, where will they go next season with that?
Yeah.
I think we touched on this last time we did the podcast where, and we laugh about it,
but it is real how reality TV is our escape.
But then when it gets the last few seasons of different shows on Bravo have touched on
quite dark topics and situations.
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And there's a part of me that's like, okay, this is going too far.
I don't like this.
Yeah.
I have seen where Andy Cohen, like they're wanting her canceled, like they don't want
her.
Judy, can we tell you about it?
Do you have any idea?
No, no idea.
Huge.
Okay, Jessica, you tell, because I don't say it right.
So the last episode shows there, all these ladies are together in Puerto Rico.
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And so what ends up happening is Brynn, there's just a lot of drama that's happening and then
they're accusing Brynn of kind of like always like stirring the pot or like saying things
on camera just to like, again, like fuel the fire for something.
Yeah.
It ends up coming out that Brynn shares with the ladies off camera that, but they're still
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like cameras rolling in the house, but they're all like demiked essentially that she unfortunately
had been a victim of sexual assaults and that she was having a conflict with Uba, who is
another housewife on the show during this time in Puerto Rico.
And Uba makes a comment that it was like potentially like, well, what was insensitive, like insinuating
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that she might have did some sexual favors to, to get a spot on the show.
And then, so after Uba goes to bed and this is what Brynn shares with the girls and she
feels like betrayed by Uba because she had shared with her at this moment that this happened
to her and how dare Uba say something like that knowing this information.
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Then it gets, then one of the other ladies, Gessel, tells Uba, listen, this is what Brynn
just shared with us.
On camera.
Yeah, on camera.
And Uba just loses it and it's like, I had no idea.
I would have never like, you know, just that really like exploded.
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And then after a little bit of time, Brynn then admits that, well, maybe essentially
maybe it was an oversight or maybe Uba didn't register or hear me say that or maybe you
didn't say it at all.
And it's just one of those instances where she's trying to like make herself look like
she's a victim when she's always trying to, where she's doing the exact opposite, I guess,
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on the show.
She always wants to be the victim or she's always sharing this, that, the other thing
to make herself look better and make somebody else look bad.
But then like this is where she's gone just maybe a little too far.
So nobody is discrediting her that she may have been a sexual assault victim, but it's
upsetting to feel like you lied about this, could you have lied about that too to gain
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sympathy?
Like, we don't know.
But yeah, so it seems like she now we don't know moving forward if she's going to be on
the show anymore.
And yeah, which one's not going to be on the show, Brynn Brynn, you know, I don't know,
because all the other ladies are just not in a good place with her.
Except for was at the reunion or like when they were at the end when they were filming
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the like the intro to the show.
Aaron Aaron was still kind of like in a good place with her, but I think there was still
some weirdness with the rest of the ladies.
Well, regardless of I would need to walk.
I realize I will watch it before the next podcast or I'll watch some of it.
And so I feel like really like I shouldn't even comment.
But one thing I will say is what Ube said was inappropriate regardless of the circumstances.
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Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
And right, and I and and that was a dress on the show and how it was inappropriate.
And the girl said to Ube like, you shouldn't say that to her.
You need to stop.
Like it's inappropriate.
It's disrespectful.
And then like, you know, Ben Brynn kind of elevated the whole thing by saying that well,
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Ube is the only one who knew that this happened to me.
And how dare she say something like that to me knowing that.
And then that's when Ube like lost her ever loving mind because she was like, I would
never talk to somebody that I mean, again, like you said, she shouldn't have said it
in the first place, but really wouldn't have said something to somebody like that.
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Wouldn't have been insensitive or disrespectful or inappropriate.
Yeah.
Right.
Right.
All right.
Also check it out.
You're going to have to check that one out because it is it's stirring up a lot of like
just you're watching, you're watching it from like a camera, not like the real camera that
records them because it's right once they're demyced and they're off air, blah, blah, blah,
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but it just it you can see the other ladies where it like if there's a confrontation,
they have to stick around.
They have to stay there.
They have to somewhat nod their head or engage or whatever in order to make the TV.
So but you see like it's like they're breaking the fourth wall where like it got so into
intense, like I'm uncomfortable.
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This is not right.
But there is a lot that I think we could unpack at our next podcast.
Okay.
Yeah.
Because there's a lot of like real, real things obviously happening because there's also that
line of like, Bryn had shared the assault story with viewers.
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So new of this watching it.
And we saw another side of Bryn where she is an overly sexual.
She likes to, she jokes about, she's overly, I don't know the proper way to say it like
sexualizes everything.
So then for her, we saw a different side of her because she was sharing her story, which
takes a lot of courage.
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Everyone was like, you know, you're doing an amazing job sharing it on national television.
So she was elevated to a degree that she deserved because she was talking about it.
Right.
It was relatable to so many.
Sadly.
And then for her to weaponize, so that's how they saw it.
Yeah.
Okay.
You're then going to blame this person for what horrible thing happened to you.
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It's just a lot of things there.
We could just on the next podcast.
I will, I will catch up and I do want to schedule that before we get off today, not while we're
live, but you know, yes.
Oh, but the people are dying to hear our 10 listeners and talks.
Thank you for tuning in.
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So all right.
So what do we have coming up?
So Vanderpump is coming back sometime.
We have don't have a date yet.
Right.
Oh, I don't know if I can watch it.
Oh, we do.
Oh, it's just complete.
I can't.
Yeah.
But we don't have a date.
So, you know, we didn't even get to talk about Sheena Shea's new memoir that came out
called my good side, but we'll talk.
We'll have to look into that for next time.
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I don't know if it's referring to the camera angle or the good side of her personality.
I have no idea, but I know it's called my good side.
Yeah.
Well, and we do have summer house coming out.
Yes.
Very, which I just think the dynamic between Lindsay and Carl and the house her being pregnant,
it's going to be.
Yeah, I like that show.
I do like that show.
But I think it's going to be interesting.
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And the Valley, when's the Valley coming back?
Oh, we haven't even looked.
Yeah, I mean, looked it up.
That always comes, right?
Doesn't it usually come in the same because sometimes they're on the same week.
That's how I know I'm going to have a summer house coming back.
Is it soon?
February, February.
Okay, cool.
All right.
Okay.
So we have some good stuff coming up.
We do.
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We do.
Excellent.
Excellent.
So my job is to catch up with New York City.
You have to.
All right.
What do you do?
Do you guys want to sign yourself any homework before the next podcast?
Honey, and I need you all to be caught up on a little bit of my sister.
Yeah, I guess I've got to go down that.
Oh, you can just show that you told us is all a complete farce.
You want us to catch up on?
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Well, I mean, you guys to feel baited and switched as well.
I mean, someone with me, because my husband won't watch it for the 18th time.
I feel like there's so many seasons of that show.
I feel like it's going to take a lifetime.
I'm just watching the last season right now.
Okay.
Well, excuse me, maybe at least the last three to see the breakup.
You got to see the, there's like 20 episodes in each season.
(49:59):
I don't have time to watch 60 hours of Sister Wives to be.
I do.
I can come in and write with you.
Sometimes I need someone there with me.
I think maybe I should just Google this one.
You totally could.
But I think the synopsis.
There's a lot of factors there.
We could discuss pop culture wise that we could really get into.
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All right, Jessica, just go to Wikipedia.
Read, do a summary.
All synod here.
Notes, something.
Yep.
Oh, all right.
Anything else before we go?
Any parting thoughts?
No, just keep getting out of the world we live in and watch your trashy.
Yeah, it's the perfect escape.
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We actually do have a reality TV going on right now in our country, but just a real
reality TV.
So, all right, everybody have a great week and we'll be back again in a few weeks.
All right.
This concludes today's podcast.
We're always looking for new ideas, so feel free to reach out to Judy Raper, Associate
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Dean of Community Engagement at Greenfield Community College at 413-775-1819.
If you have an idea, you'd love to share.
Special thanks to the creators of Backyard Oasis, Denny Schwartz, Chad Fuller, Dennis
Lee, and Christine Copeland.
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Have a great day.
Welcome to Backyard Oasis, a podcast designed by and for older adults living in the beautiful
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All right, this is Judy Raper, Associate Dean for Community Engagement at Greenfield Community
College.
And we're coming at you today from the East Building at Greenfield Community College, Room
101, the Community Resource Studio.
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The podcast studio had a little bit of water damage to it.
So we have shifted our scene over here, and it's kind of nice because I'm sitting on a
couch.
You like it.
I like it.
I like the new scene.
Unfortunately, Jessica is usually here with me in person, but her daughter's sick, so
I'm the only one here except for producer Alex.
But I do kind of like the scene.
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It's very relaxed.
I could fall asleep.
So I've introduced myself.
Why don't you two introduce yourselves and then we'll get right into what we're watching.
All right, I'm Mackenzie Shanahan, working from home, wishin' I was on the couch.
Just a mom from the Midwest.
I'm Jessica Nibala.
I am local to the Greenfield Massachusetts area.
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I am Judy's longtime hairstylist.
And yeah, my mom too, and hopefully I don't get an interruption today from my daughter
to make a special appearance.
I think I should note that for the first time in about 20 years, I'm doing my hair a little
differently.
I'm not getting it cut every week.
I'm getting it cut every week and a half, letting it grow a little bit.
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Oh, yeah.
Curling a little less.
Oh, so hard.
Yeah, she's in a growing it out phase for a new style.
Okay.
I wouldn't go that far.
I was with some friends last weekend, and I literally, Jessica, after you colored it
last, that's the first time in my whole life that I literally came back from getting it
colored and styled, and I didn't touch it.
I didn't curl it, nothing.
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Oh, nice.
And so I told some friends, I'm like, can you tell I didn't curl my hair today?
And they were like, no.
Yeah.
Where are your curls?
What do you mean?
There's no curls, but I have no bend to my hair.
So like, like zero, like it sticks straight.
Okay.
In order to just get it to like lay, I have to put a curling iron in it.
Yeah.
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So she should just like the size.
Yeah.
It doesn't look like curls when she does it.
It's definitely a Judy.
Only Judy would know.
Okay.
I used to get, I used to get permanence back in the day.
Yeah.
And even today, like when I used to get my eyelashes down, which I don't anymore because
I have a condition, but the smell of the perm on your eyelids just made me so nostalgic for
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the days when I got a perm.
You have a condition?
Yeah.
I have, I have a lot of, actually Mackenzie, you know what?
I was going back over some texts when you sold me that rodent fields, like whatever stuff
for my eyes.
Yes.
And I started writing, you know, Mackenzie, my eyes are really red.
Like, I'm not sure if this is good for me.
Well, a year later, I was diagnosed with three different eye conditions.
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So I could, I could never ever do that again.
No, we can't.
Anyway.
Okay.
Enough about my beauty routine.
I think that I forgot to mention that this is part four of spilling the tea where we
talk a little bit about reality television and what we're watching.
And I feel like I need to, I feel like I need to do a little bit of a disclaimer this week
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or this session, this, this podcast, because I just, I want to acknowledge that I know
there's some pretty serious stuff going on right now in our country and in our world,
and it can feel really trite to talk about reality TV, but I also believe we need escape
and we need to find joy when we can and where we can.
And so I just want to acknowledge that that we're not so shallow, we are unaware of what's
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happening.
Absolutely.
So anyway, so why don't, who wants to start with today and what they've been talking about
with a, been watching?
Okay.
I want to start and I ask, I feel like we've touched on this, but I just watched it.
Anyone do sister wives?
No, I did.
I did a couple of episodes just for you.
It was hard for me to get into, but I did watch a couple.
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Yeah.
A long time ago, I think I tried to get into it and okay.
But I know a little bit.
Okay.
I'm just saying that could be a lot.
We could discuss a lot there.
If you all wanted to do a little research, it's real good, real fascinating.
So not to interrupt, but is this a TLC show?
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Yes.
Okay.
Well, only because we're like in the middle of like fixing our streaming services and
I don't think I currently get TLC.
Okay.
Yeah.
That's a hard one.
Okay.
But the show it on Hulu too, Jessica.
Oh, okay.
So we just upgraded our Hulu live because of football in my house.
Very important.
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But yes.
Okay.
Okay.
So, okay.
Let me think of others.
Someone else.
Well, you want to say anything, but because I did watch three episodes of the current
season just to kind of get it, just to get a taste of what's happening.
Cause I used to watch it religiously.
Okay.
I just have to say that I feel like it all was a lie.
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So it's about a polygamous family.
He had four wives.
Now he's monogamous with one wife.
And now the thing that is annoying to me, which is often happens on our reality shows
where it's like, Oh, the backstory is we actually didn't get along or we didn't at that party
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that you saw, we fought right before the cameras turned on.
You know what I'm saying?
So a little behind the scenes.
So there's like, this is what season 19 and I could tell you every fact detail everything,
but I'm just a little annoyed at production and then because now it's like we go from
four wives to he's monogamous, but like, Oh, like there's just things coming out that
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were behind the scenes, but we never knew about.
So that is annoying on reality TV.
Do we agree with that?
So do you think he was only in love with one of them the whole time?
Oh my gosh.
Yes.
So going back to your disclaimer, there's a lot going on in the world, a lot happening
in my escape is reality TV.
And just last night, my husband goes, you have watched this episode for the seventh
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time.
What is going on?
I was like, I just don't want to look at social media or my phone.
Let me enjoy.
I think it's like the anticipation.
I know what's going to happen.
Like it's very calming to me.
But I think once he found that Robin, his fourth wife, but he might have, but he might
have been in love with the ones before and just found his true love on wife number four.
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Right?
Like, couldn't he have been leading up to Robin the whole time and not even realizing
he was leading up to Robin?
Well, now he said he loved them out of like a necessity.
Like he thought he had to love them and he married Robin, which was his true love.
And one of the wives even said the first time they went on a date, I knew he found his soulmate.
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So I appreciate the fact that he found his soulmate and they can recognize that, but
now he's going back and it's just, it's horrible, but so fascinating.
So what's the show going to be now if he has one wife?
Right.
Like, how does he, how do they move forward with that?
Well, one of his wives, the big, the big thing is we're watching her.
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She now is married.
So she's getting remarried on the show.
Which one's that?
Monogamous though?
Yes.
Yes.
Christine Brown is now like her, the last episode was her wedding.
Oh, okay.
I'm not, I'm not even close to her.
You were saying like as a viewer on any show, not just sister rights, like the whiplash
of like, wait, where are we?
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What are we doing here?
Are we getting married?
Are we monogamous?
Are we polygamist?
I don't know.
And is it about that forever?
Is this his religion based?
Like, are other...
No, and now none of them, Jessica, are religious.
But it's like, you never said that.
You never said, do you know what I'm saying?
Now everyone's like, wait, are you officially divorced because you didn't go back to the
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church and they're like, well, we don't believe in that anymore.
So I feel like it's all a lie.
Alex, it comes down to, I feel like my whole life, even though I've watched it 18 times,
is a lie.
You're just now realizing reality TV may be out to dupe you.
Yeah, yeah, it's not my escape anymore.
I'm gonna have to find something else.
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So yeah, but let's talk about something we've all watched.
What is it?
I've been watching Southern Charm.
Me too.
I just caught up on Below Deck sailing traders, new season of traders, real housewives of
New York.
Wait, Judy, do you watch Real Housewives of New York?
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No, but here's the thing.
So I'm not really a housewife fan anymore.
So what I'm realizing is like, Survivor and Big Brother are my two primaries, right?
And when they're not on, I have to force myself to get into these other shows, which I used
to just watch easily.
So perhaps it's a sign of my growth and evolution.
I don't know.
But I'm sure it is.
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But I started watching Beverly Hills last night just to kind of, because I thought you
too.
I thought you too.
Yes, I do watch Beverly Hills too.
Yes.
I forgot about that one.
Have you watched enough to talk about it?
I watched the first two and the most recent one.
So I'm up on Texting Gate.
I'm kind of like aware of that.
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Do we think that Kyle crossed the line?
I'd like to hear from you two first because I don't have the in between shows to fill
me in.
So I'd like to hear from you two.
I had a gut response to it, but I'm missing a lot of background information.
So I feel like there's a yes and a no scenario to that.
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I think that the four of them, like the couples that used to hang out all the time, I mean,
it sounds like they were all very close and that Kyle obviously had some sort of a rapport
with PK to be able to feel comfortable to text whether maybe most of it was just memes
and laughing emojis, but he probably could have reached out and said some stuff to her.
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And who knows what her response though.
Her response could have been simple like, okay, like I hear what you're saying, but maybe
we shouldn't talk about this or, or she could have gone down a rabbit hole and maybe talked
about her personal experience with Mauricio.
So yeah, I feel like it's hard to say like, yeah, I probably wouldn't like it if I was
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Dery at all, if that was me.
But I also think we don't know the context of the text messages and I don't, I don't
know, again, like they're grown women.
Like I don't know if she has to feel like she has to share that information, but maybe
to salvage the relationship that might be a stepping stone.
Yeah.
I, my first thought was Dery, honey, Texmo.
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Yeah, do they text, do they text?
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I would have sent him a meme real fast.
I would have been like, okay, game on.
But I do feel like when she showed her text, I think she came like, oh, I'm clean.
We're just memes and jokes, and then I felt like in that moment as she was reading her
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text where she kind of paused and then kind of like, I think she realized, oh shoot, this
is going to turn around on me that I'm breaking girl code and you even see Sutton and Garcella
and even Erica, who's always Switzerland was like, that feels loose.
Just the context of her saying, I won't, I won't share what you have spoken to me.
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It's between us.
But like then insinuate it's because like, you can't say it because of production.
Like, no, it just sounds like he may have shared some things with her and whether she
acknowledged or responded to them.
We don't know.
But I think there was maybe a moment and not saying it's a constant, but probably a moment
or two that he sent her some text messages about his relationship.
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And it wasn't, it's obviously not a hundred percent memes and laughing face.
Yeah.
And again, just sitting there like, oh, I got this proof.
I'm going to read it when she was like, I'm going to read it one more time.
One more time.
I'm going to read it.
And I'm like, okay, read it.
I'm like, oh, no, that's not.
That's good.
Yeah.
But I also feel like, again, it's so odd.
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Like you said, always with any reality, we don't know everything.
We don't know the context.
You know, it could be all be a lie.
But it's like you're in the same position as her as a human to human, a stranger to a
stranger, they're both going through divorces or somewhat, at least a separation.
What if the rules were reversed?
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I just feel like it was wrong.
No matter what.
Yeah.
Yeah.
See, it's interesting because I, because obviously I don't know all of the background
on it.
And I have to say like back in the day when I used to watch, I couldn't stand to read
and part of it was I felt like she had this fake accent.
And now that I've, now that I've come back, she doesn't have that accent anymore.
So it must have been fake.
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So that was really annoying.
And I hated the way she said PK and I couldn't stand the two of them together.
Yeah.
That said, so I'm not in, I'm, I can't like put myself in this situation because I'm
not in a couple.
I'm not part of a couple and have best friends that are couples.
So I actually was kind of thinking Mackenzie about my mom and dad and your grandma and
grandpa and like what might happen if Jim and Donna were going through a divorce, would
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my mom and Jim stay connected?
And I think the answer is absolutely.
But yet nothing, you know, suspect would ever happen between the two of them.
They've been friends for 30 years.
They would remain friends.
Actually my mom might take his side and I'll say, let's be honest.
You know, actually mom might stop texting.
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Yeah.
That is so true.
That is, she might forget you Donna.
You can, if something's wrong between the two of you, it's probably your fault.
But anyway, yes, but anyway, to apply it to the situation, like it, to me, it felt like,
like what is the big deal here?
And it felt really intrusive at that spa party when all of those women were like, you
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have to show the text now.
Like I was just really perplexed by that.
I thought Erica Jane was sort of the voice of reason and all this, to be honest with
you.
But I also feel like I must be missing something because everyone seems to be on Dereet's side,
seeing all of the fans on Reddit and all the social media sites.
Reddit.
So I think it's just the context of the text message that does sound like she is becoming,
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like there's nothing apparent.
He shared something with her and obviously what he shared with her was personal enough
that she felt like she would had to reiterate that she couldn't share it publicly or share
it in general.
Like she was going to keep a secret.
Yeah.
Whatever those secrets are, yeah, that would be unnerving as her friend.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
That would be unnerving.
I can completely see that.
Right.
So like what, yeah, like what is, and who knows, it could be something so simple that
if Doreet and her were still close and chatting on a regular basis that Dereet might have
divulged the same information.
Who knows?
But like, yeah, I don't think that would sit well with me if it was like my best friend.
But are their best friends?
I mean, they don't even seem like they're like, I missed the breakup, but they seem
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like they've had a lot of issues.
That came back to play.
Because remember when Dereet was like, oh, she met Morgan and now she does it.
Yeah.
And I don't talk to her.
And then Kyle was like, actually, we've only went off camera.
We've met like twice for lunch, which that goes back to what I mentioned my sister wise.
It's like, how much is real?
Because I thought they were like Teddy and Kyle close.
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I didn't realize it was like a more showy kind of friendship, but also side note, I
think the ladies and the fans are loving this takedown of Kyle because he is always at the
top.
She is untouchable.
They call it her show.
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I think they're all just sitting back like, yep, let's take her down.
That's that movie.
I'm living for it.
I'm living for it.
Yeah, she is a O.G.
In a nice way.
In a nice way.
I'm kind of sitting there kind of liking it because she has always been stirring the pot,
the one who scores the drink.
She likes to get things going.
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Oh, 100%.
Yeah.
And so I'm kind of liking that she's in the hot seat where she hasn't always had to, you
know.
I have to say the very first episode when I forget who went to visit.
So Kathy's on a lot of the episodes now.
Her sister, Kathy Hilton, is that her name?
Yeah.
So I forget who went to visit her.
I think it was Doreet went to visit Kathy at her home.
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And I thought maybe Kathy had had some horrible car accident because she was hooked up to
an IV and I was like, oh my God, what happened to her?
She was just getting her makeup done and like getting vitamin C pumped into her or something
like that.
Yeah, getting hydrated.
Yeah, hydrated.
Yeah, actually it's incredible if you've ever had the chance to do it.
Well, I don't have so I don't think I'd ever be able to afford to have somebody come to
my home to do it while they're putting on my makeup.
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Yeah.
Well, that's the new thing on those bachelorette trips.
You get a little IV coming and then you just start again.
Yeah, I have heard of those.
They have like people do that like nurses will come in clusters and then they'll give
everybody IV treatments so you're not hung over anymore.
You gotta have sunglasses on and start all over again.
You got money to burn if you're doing that.
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Yeah, yeah.
I actually don't think it's as expensive as you think it is when it's a group rate.
Yeah.
Well, I actually have a friend from who used to work at GCC who's who I'm going to see
this Wednesday for a procedure, but she now does that.
She now does the IV thing and you're right.
It's not crazy expensive, but like having people in your home feels like it might be
a little more pricey.
But yeah.
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Anyway, the other thing I wanted to say about this whole PK PK Duree thing is so I forget
I think it was the most recent episode where they showed Duree and PK in a restaurant talking
about their their.
Have you guys seen this one?
Talk about their marriage.
Okay.
So I don't remember the dynamics of that relationship, but I was disgusted by him like what he was
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basically saying to her was when I first met you, you had no life and therefore I was like
the leader in this relationship and I took you out and introduced you to everybody and
now that you have your own personality and your own point of view, I'm no longer interested
in you.
Am I misreading that or is that kind of the dynamic?
That was it.
That was it.
Oh my God.
Yeah, but also it is hard.
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Again, we don't know what is true and we don't know all the context, but it is hard because
they we have always heard about the rumors of hey, there's issues in the marriage and
they have always remained.
It's great.
It's good.
And now they're issue, which is true.
And now she is really pushing that he's an alcoholic.
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Yep.
That screams at her that like there you really start to see the agendas being pushed when
it's coming on the on the screen.
You know what I'm saying?
Like I would also like the authenticity of it all is kind of a little interesting.
And he seems in that dinner, I felt like he seemed very excited to be like three.
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We're not going to talk for a little while.
Like, yeah, I'm going out living my best life and she's like what is happening.
Yeah, with his new fake teeth.
It's like all reality stars.
They break up, they get veneers, they break up, they get veneers.
Like I love it.
It's this I don't know the life.
And I didn't I hear too though they're having there's like a financial thing like bankruptcy.
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Did somebody file bankruptcy or something to in that marriage?
Did I see that after the fact?
I think that it's going to turn into an Erica Jane situation with Tom Gerrardy because
every season is that not mentioned a lawsuit with PK a lawsuit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Money problems.
Yeah.
Erica Jane looks fabulous.
I have to say fabulous.
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Look fabulous.
She blames it on menopause.
So I'm like, curious.
She blames her extreme weight loss on menopause.
And I'm like, how many women go to menopause and dinner?
That's what I paid 15 pounds.
Exactly.
So I'm hoping I'm as lucky as she is.
I want menopause now.
Wait, who is this?
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Erica Jane says that's why she looks like everyone's like, oh, she must been on Ozempic,
blah, blah, blah.
And then she's like, no, it was menopause.
Oh, that's a lot.
That's a total lie.
Okay.
See?
All right.
So Southern charm.
What do we think of what's going on in Southern charm?
You know, let's talk about it.
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I have to say I have never liked Shep or Austin.
Austin Kroll.
I liked the first season because he came in like a Southern gentleman.
And we all know that that if we were, it's like when you order something from Amazon and
you get something that's not right.
That is how I feel about Austin.
I cannot stand, I cannot stand how they have this storyline now of Craig doesn't want to
(21:57):
go out and drink.
Craig doesn't want, he's all about business.
Honey, he is 40 something years old.
That's normal.
Yeah.
And it's this huge storyline.
And then we've got Whitney, the voice of reason who still lives with his mommy.
Like, I'm just, I can't, I can't get down with the Southern charm.
I have always loved it.
But it's like, what?
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You're not Southern.
There's no charm here.
Right?
Do you feel that way?
Like, why are you attacking?
It's really interesting.
Okay.
First of all, you have to listen to the Watch What Crappens podcast when they do, when they
rehash the episodes because they are hysterical.
And the accent they use sounds more like the guys from South Park than it does actual Southerners.
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Like it sounds like somebody killed Kenny.
You know, like they sound like those people, but they are hysterical.
Right?
And they literally go line by line.
They completely retell the episode, but they use their little voices in their own commentary.
So they're very funny.
I had not watched Southern charm.
I don't think since the first season potentially.
So my first, I'm just now, what are we at?
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Episode seven or eight or something?
I'm just now able to tell the women apart and the men apart because they all look alike
with the exception of Venetia, who's a woman of color.
They all look exactly alike.
They sound exactly alike and they sort of act as well.
But before I started rewatching it, I was listening to a podcast.
Who was it?
I can't remember.
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It was two women that they were talking about.
Oh, no, it was, it was, um, what's the two Ts and a pod or whatever.
Don't get me started on that.
Okay.
Well, well anyway, they had chef on.
And that's what kind of prompted me to start watching it again because he was talking about
this like complete transformation he had as a result of a four day trip to Costa Rica.
Oh yeah.
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And he basically, apparently there was some horrible thing that happened on Brava Khan
where he like was completely wasted in public and on national television or whatever.
So he claims he went to Costa Rica for four days.
He did not quit drinking.
No, but he's now a new person.
He doesn't dabble in the hard liquor.
He's like one of those people.
Now he's a beer or a wine person.
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California sober.
California sober.
Yeah.
Like James Kennedy.
Yeah.
Oh, we got to talk about who is not sober anymore.
He is.
I just read yesterday.
He is again, maybe.
Yeah.
I think again.
Yeah.
Maybe now that his world is crashing down yet, maybe he's sober, but he wasn't sober
when that new.
Right.
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But that was like, that was about seven or eight months ago.
Like she like a couple days, a couple days ago, I think their breakup became official.
And she made a public statement.
Yeah.
Anyway, back to Southern charm.
We don't want to jump around too much.
So, um, so anyway.
So I have a, I have major trouble telling these people apart.
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I'm really finding it hard to stick with it.
Um, but the other day, you know how like when the, when the, when the last episode plays,
sometimes it will like go into an episode of another show that's similar to it to see
if you like it.
Yeah.
So the other day, um, Southern char, what was it called?
Is it Southern hospitality?
Oh, I watched that too.
(25:08):
I think that's the one that showed up.
It's Levis, it's Levis show, it's Levis restaurant that is that it's yeah.
Wait, that's not the one I saw.
I saw Southern charm New Orleans, I think.
Oh, that's so much that one.
Okay.
Yeah.
I think it is.
I think it's really old.
Only ran two seasons, but I love it.
I think it's much better than Southern charm.
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Yeah, you would.
Why do you say that?
I don't know.
Well, cause the people are like, they look like normal people.
They live in small apartments.
Yeah, I like that.
Okay.
Other comments on Southern charm because I don't think Jessica's weighed in.
I can't stand it.
I think that this season to me, it's they're reaching for drama to create storylines.
(25:52):
I think they brought Sally in to add drama to Taylor's relationship because Sally was
used to be in love or hook up with her boyfriend.
They're really trying to get Gaston Gaston.
Yeah.
I'm trying to give him a bad edit on the show.
But again, I think making storylines relevant.
I think the whole thing with Austin and Craig, like by the pool, like that whole scene, it's
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just like, again, I think it's like Austin doesn't have much else going on.
So like let's have him be upset with Craig and then maybe end their podcast.
And then you've got, try to think, oh, and then the whole Craig making up the, that JT
called Patricia the B word, which didn't happen.
(26:37):
That I didn't see.
Yeah.
I don't think it happened.
Everything's like reaching to me.
It's just like a season where they're reaching for storylines because there's not a whole
lot going on.
Yeah.
Last episode, we were at a tuba concert.
Okay.
Okay.
I have to say, I have to say, I love Molly.
Oh, I love her.
I love her.
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The fact that Molly has returned to the tuba after years of absence and she cried about
it.
It shows me she has substance.
Her love for music.
Yeah.
But maybe not on my Southern charm TV when I want to escape the realities of the world.
I don't care about your tuba concert.
I go to my concert.
I'm also feeling like Shep.
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Does he have a thing for Molly?
Like a little bit.
Like planting the seed.
Can go down that route.
How ancestral the whole group is.
It is.
Like Sally hooked up with Gaston and Taylor's like, it's all like, I can't keep track.
And then we have Patricia, this matriarch, like how they put her in every once in a while.
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I'm like, ew, I don't want to sit at her dinner table.
Does she have friends her own age?
No.
She's 82.
I think she's like, I don't know.
It's just, there's too many weird dynamics that I used to laugh at.
But now I'm like, I don't want to see her pug napkin holder.
Like I don't care.
And I love the reference that all the guys in Southern charm are like Peter Pan.
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They never want to grow up.
Oh, absolutely.
And it's like watching it.
It's like, ew, I don't like this.
I can relate to that.
But Craig, I do feel like is growing up and I do feel like that's why they're giving
him a hard time because in like, in the reality of it all, like, I mean, unfortunately, he
and Paige broke up, which was sad.
But I do think the next woman that he meets, she has changed him for the better.
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Yes.
And can we talk about that now?
Can we talk about the breakup?
Yes.
I think so.
It's public.
I know we can talk about it.
We do know it's public duty.
But can we talk about it?
Like how he even went on his Instagram and said I was blindsided like the rest of you.
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And now it has to be fascinating watching it back, like watching the episodes back where
like, I mean, I noticed it before, but how he's like, honey, what do you want in this
room?
What do you want this bonus room to be?
Do you want me to add?
And she's like, I don't care.
I don't care.
But I think it's also the gender role reversal, how it seems like she gives zero and she's
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living her life on the Instagram and she's at the football game and she's got mirror
selfies and he seems like sad, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like I give you the white picket fence.
I give you the home.
Literally.
Yeah.
Like, and then every time I feel like he brought up, when do you want to have kids?
When should we get married?
Oh, I'm like a couple of years away from that or I will move, but I will move.
(29:36):
She's Peter Pan.
She's Peter Pan.
She doesn't want to be in her family in New York City.
Honey, you are approaching 30.
Let's get on this.
She's over 30.
She turned 30.
Yeah.
Okay.
She made a really big deal about turning 30 about how like her looks are going to start
declining now.
I'm like, oh, just wait, honey.
Yeah.
Listen, I have always loved her, but this whole like I'm independent woman.
(29:57):
I'm all about being independent, whoops, and honey, live your life.
But like, what have you felt this way and you've dragged him on?
Well, right.
And I think that's what makes it sad is that I do feel like she at the end of the day didn't
give at all.
And I think that she maybe didn't have any intention of moving in together and coexisting
(30:18):
and having a family and doing all the things.
Yeah.
And I wonder if like, are you relating to this, Alex?
Alex is nodding his head.
I'm telling you, when Alex smiles and nods his head, I feel like we are saving the world.
He's like, oh yeah.
Yeah.
I'm like, okay, we got it.
We got it.
So yeah, I don't know.
(30:38):
I just think that whole gender reverse role and changing and he's the sad one and she's
living her life.
It's all fascinating.
Yeah.
You could definitely like, I kind of forgot they had broken up when I was sort of watching
Southern Charm because I do also watch the other one.
She's on Summer House.
I'm just a little bit of that.
I literally said out loud to my TV the other day, this relationship is not going to work.
(31:01):
Forgetting that they had broken up because I forget who he's talking to, one of his
male friends and he's like, she's worth waiting for, but she's just not ready for A, B and
C and I'm ready.
And I think he's like in his 40s, right?
And she just turned 30.
So I just think, I don't think there's anything nefarious or terrible about it.
They're just at different places in their life.
They just...
Right.
(31:21):
And I think like their breakup was very like amicable.
Like they're not...
They don't hate each other.
No.
Like they're still love there.
I will say though, just so we're not completely bashing cage, she did shed some tears on her
podcast about the breakup.
So it's nice to see that she is a little sad.
Okay.
But...
You'd like to see a little sadness.
(31:42):
Yeah.
She did cry.
Okay.
But I do think that this is...
It's her.
It's obviously the reason.
All right.
I mean, let's face it, y'all.
These people are all shallow.
Like we are not talking about people with incredible depth and a strong moral compass
on any of these shows.
No.
Have you seen...
(32:03):
I don't remember what reunion it is and they're sitting there and they're calling a housewife
a narcissist.
And Andy Cohen goes, look around guys.
We are TV cameras.
We're all little narcissistic.
For sure.
Yeah.
Wait.
Side note, did you see...
This brings in traders.
(32:23):
Did you see Lindsay Hubbard on the skinny, not fat podcast?
Oh no.
She set...
You know, Lindsay Hubbard Judy from...
Remind me who she is.
Summerhouse.
She's the one who broke up...
Carl and Lindsay were engaged.
They broke up on camera.
Oh, her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
(32:43):
Okay.
He had her baby with another man, not Carl.
And she went on a podcast and said that Dorinda Medley was the one who outed her pregnancy.
Wow.
Really?
Yes.
But where?
That they were at a...
Was it maybe New Year's Eve party somewhere?
(33:04):
And it was a bunch of like Bravo people.
Margaret Drossa was there.
Maybe it was her party.
And she said that she was hearing from people at the party that said she was saying Lindsay's
pregnant, Lindsay's pregnant.
She can't go on traders because she's pregnant.
And then Lindsay was like, I have to put a statement out because now Dorinda has flabbed
(33:27):
to the world, which we were seeing those Reddit posts and all that, but it was Dorinda Medley.
Not surprising.
I was sure.
I was sure by that.
Not surprising.
Did she go home the first night of traders?
Second.
I think second episode.
Oh yes.
Yeah.
She was one of the...
That's true.
Diane McKenzie, when she was interviewed, when she did her post exit or her exit interview,
(33:51):
she basically said that one of her favorite people was Tom Sandoval, that she had a soft
spot for him and she wanted to protect him.
I'm going to throw up in my mouth.
Are you?
I just got done telling Judy how I feel like I can't stand watching him like, because even
on this reality show, he was like, trying to care for somebody's feelings and like,
(34:11):
it just sounds so fake.
It's so fake.
It's funny because Crescelle is on the show.
I don't know if you guys watch...
She's one of the Bambis.
Yeah.
Was she a Bambi?
Yeah.
So she's on the Netflix series, Selling Sunset.
Is that what it is?
Yes.
Yes.
And so she is friends with Ariana and like...
Oh right.
(34:32):
...was very vocal about her not liking Tom and like, was saying like, you know, I feel
like a trader can lie to you, whatever, stay blah, blah, blah.
And then like, that's she had like voted for Tom to try to get him off the island per
se, but...
The island?
But I can't, I can't with him.
I just cannot.
No.
(34:53):
He's kind of invisible on the show.
He's not a main character at all.
Yeah.
Bob Harper is more of a main character than Tom Sandoval.
And he's the biggest loser 40 years ago, you know?
Wait, so for traders, did everyone just not like Dorinda and they voted her off?
No, it's not really like...
It doesn't, it doesn't, it's not like a popularity contest.
(35:14):
I think they were kind of going after the housewives, like multiple housewives got
voted off for some reason, like Robin got voted off the last episode.
So right.
So that's what seems to happen on the show is that they all kind of form alliances.
So like, if they're all like...
Based on the show.
...all the housewives, right, will have come together, then there's like what they call
the Bambies because they're all these like, cutesy little beautiful big Joey eyes ladies.
(35:37):
No.
They called him the Bambies?
They called themselves the Bambies.
I'm gonna throw up.
And then you have like your, you know, like your survivor, what's the other show?
Big Brother.
Yeah.
And then we go West from a real world on there.
(35:57):
They give a random aristocrat.
Yeah, yeah.
There's always a British, like a British...
There's always like one person who's from like the parliament of Britain or something.
And like this guy became...
He's like, how is he related?
I don't know.
I just know he's an aristocrat.
(36:17):
That's all I know.
Yeah.
He's related to the queen or something somehow.
And then he was married to a woman and then they got divorced.
And then he is now married to a man, I think.
So like that's also how he became like famous because I think it's inbound upon to be gay.
He's probably friends with Alan Cummings, you know?
(36:37):
Although Alan lives in New York City, right?
He has a bar and everything there.
You know, something that was another thing I wanted to go down the rabbit hole is, does
Alan own that castle?
I don't think so.
Because Chris Shells made a comment saying like, I would love to sell this for you if
you want to put on the market.
He was like, this is not for sale.
Oops.
Oh.
So I was like, oh, does he own that castle?
(36:58):
Because that would be amazing.
So this season, I don't think is as strong as the last couple of seasons.
And I think part of the reason it's not as strong is I think the people that they put
together to be the traders were never going to work.
That was never going to be.
So Mackenzie, I don't know if you know all these people, but it was, he calls himself
Bob the drag queen.
I don't know what show he's on.
(37:18):
Is it?
Well, he was RuPaul.
So yeah.
So I always do feel like there's somebody from RuPaul's drag race out there.
So he was on there.
So him and Boston Robb from Survivor and Carolyn from Survivor and Danielle from Big Brother
were the traders.
Well they are the traders.
So Bob, Bob the drag queen turned on, on Boston Robb.
(37:40):
So Boston Robb got rid of him.
So he's gone.
And then so that, so it leaves Carolyn.
You probably don't know any of these people, right?
You know what's funny?
The housewife.
I don't know any of them either, except for, you know, the housewife Chanel, is that her
name from housewives of Debois Chanel?
Dubai.
Yeah.
Dubai.
You love geography.
What did you do?
(38:01):
Actually geography is enough.
No, I love like.
Economics and history.
Oh, okay.
Not names of Dubai.
Okay.
That was a, that was a grandma Donna moment.
Okay.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Anyway, she thought all of the survive people from Survivor were people who had survived
some sort of traumatic life, life thing.
(38:22):
That's what she thought.
She had no idea.
She goes, you know, I've survived like, like the things that she had survived were unthinkable,
you know, like she's been through all of this stuff.
And she goes, and I thought.
And so she goes, I finally said to one of them, I go, so what if you survived?
And one of them said, well, I lost 40 pounds.
It was Derek, Derek from Big Brother had like was a little bit overweight.
And she was like, okay.
So they never caught on to the fact that that's who she thought they were.
(38:46):
Oh, well, she has died a lot.
She has.
Yes.
Okay.
Anyway, it's not, I don't think it's as good a season because the traders hate each other.
Are they trading?
Well, they're starting to, yeah, they're starting to hate each other because they're starting
to kind of turn, turn on each other in some way, shape or form.
Like I have to say, like Bob the drag queen saying something about all the new guys coming
(39:11):
in, which was Boston Robb, Derek and Wes, that one of them has to be a trader when you've
got, you are a trader and you've got one of them as a trader.
So you're pretty are just like putting the spotlight on one of them.
And so why wouldn't you feel threatened by a comment like that?
Like, I don't think he saw that one through.
(39:32):
And I think the other reason McKenzie that all the housewives get out, out are is that
and remember, we used to talk about the different categories of reality TVs.
There's like dating shows, competition shows, just living your life shows.
The Bravo housewives have no idea how to play a game.
No.
Whereas big brother and survivor, their, their reality shows were all about competition and
(39:52):
how do you, you know, like how do you outlast, outwit, outplay?
So I think the housewives just have no idea what they're doing, especially when they think
the people from survivor are people who survived something traumatic.
Yeah.
They clearly are out of their league.
Yeah.
Clearly.
So I think that's why they don't last because they don't know what they're doing.
And they just want to, and they just want to make good TV because that's what they're,
they're used to.
That's their game.
(40:13):
Yeah.
They're used to that.
But the producers are smart for getting them.
I know people laugh at the reality stars, but it brings a crowd.
Oh, for sure.
Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
No, I love, I love.
What I love about the traders is that they bring all these shows together.
So no matter what you watch, you have somebody to root for.
That's the one.
Okay.
Although are you rooting for anyone, Jessica?
(40:33):
No, I think it's too early for me to feel like who I think would, you know, although
I mean, I always liked Bob from biggest loser.
So I just like, I hope to use a faithful.
So I feel like, you know, it'd be nice to see, you know, see them win.
Brittany was one of my favorite all time big brother players.
So, okay.
But she's kind of just flying under the radar and not doing much, but she was always very
(40:55):
funny on big brother.
I was really liked her.
Well, so we don't have a lot of time left.
Is there any other thing that you're watching that you want to touch on?
Well, I just, I know you don't watch Real Housewives of New York City.
You do, Mackenzie, did you watch the last episode?
I feel like that ended on a very kind of sad note with, with Brynn in terms of like where
(41:22):
we'll like, where will they go next season with that?
Yeah.
I think we touched on this last time we did the podcast where, and we laugh about it,
but it is real how reality TV is our escape.
But then when it gets the last few seasons of different shows on Bravo have touched on
quite dark topics and situations.
(41:44):
And there's a part of me that's like, okay, this is going too far.
I don't like this.
Yeah.
I have seen where Andy Cohen, like they're wanting her canceled, like they don't want
her.
Judy, can we tell you about it?
Do you have any idea?
No, no idea.
Huge.
Okay, Jessica, you tell, because I don't say it right.
So the last episode shows there, all these ladies are together in Puerto Rico.
(42:10):
And so what ends up happening is Brynn, there's just a lot of drama that's happening and then
they're accusing Brynn of kind of like always like stirring the pot or like saying things
on camera just to like, again, like fuel the fire for something.
Yeah.
It ends up coming out that Brynn shares with the ladies off camera that, but they're still
(42:35):
like cameras rolling in the house, but they're all like demiked essentially that she unfortunately
had been a victim of sexual assaults and that she was having a conflict with Uba, who is
another housewife on the show during this time in Puerto Rico.
And Uba makes a comment that it was like potentially like, well, what was insensitive, like insinuating
(43:02):
that she might have did some sexual favors to, to get a spot on the show.
And then, so after Uba goes to bed and this is what Brynn shares with the girls and she
feels like betrayed by Uba because she had shared with her at this moment that this happened
to her and how dare Uba say something like that knowing this information.
(43:26):
Then it gets, then one of the other ladies, Gessel, tells Uba, listen, this is what Brynn
just shared with us.
On camera.
Yeah, on camera.
And Uba just loses it and it's like, I had no idea.
I would have never like, you know, just that really like exploded.
(43:47):
And then after a little bit of time, Brynn then admits that, well, maybe essentially
maybe it was an oversight or maybe Uba didn't register or hear me say that or maybe you
didn't say it at all.
And it's just one of those instances where she's trying to like make herself look like
she's a victim when she's always trying to, where she's doing the exact opposite, I guess,
(44:12):
on the show.
She always wants to be the victim or she's always sharing this, that, the other thing
to make herself look better and make somebody else look bad.
But then like this is where she's gone just maybe a little too far.
So nobody is discrediting her that she may have been a sexual assault victim, but it's
upsetting to feel like you lied about this, could you have lied about that too to gain
(44:33):
sympathy?
Like, we don't know.
But yeah, so it seems like she now we don't know moving forward if she's going to be on
the show anymore.
And yeah, which one's not going to be on the show, Brynn Brynn, you know, I don't know,
because all the other ladies are just not in a good place with her.
Except for was at the reunion or like when they were at the end when they were filming
(44:56):
the like the intro to the show.
Aaron Aaron was still kind of like in a good place with her, but I think there was still
some weirdness with the rest of the ladies.
Well, regardless of I would need to walk.
I realize I will watch it before the next podcast or I'll watch some of it.
And so I feel like really like I shouldn't even comment.
But one thing I will say is what Ube said was inappropriate regardless of the circumstances.
(45:19):
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
And right, and I and and that was a dress on the show and how it was inappropriate.
And the girl said to Ube like, you shouldn't say that to her.
You need to stop.
Like it's inappropriate.
It's disrespectful.
And then like, you know, Ben Brynn kind of elevated the whole thing by saying that well,
(45:44):
Ube is the only one who knew that this happened to me.
And how dare she say something like that to me knowing that.
And then that's when Ube like lost her ever loving mind because she was like, I would
never talk to somebody that I mean, again, like you said, she shouldn't have said it
in the first place, but really wouldn't have said something to somebody like that.
(46:05):
Wouldn't have been insensitive or disrespectful or inappropriate.
Yeah.
Right.
Right.
All right.
Also check it out.
You're going to have to check that one out because it is it's stirring up a lot of like
just you're watching, you're watching it from like a camera, not like the real camera that
records them because it's right once they're demyced and they're off air, blah, blah, blah,
(46:26):
but it just it you can see the other ladies where it like if there's a confrontation,
they have to stick around.
They have to stay there.
They have to somewhat nod their head or engage or whatever in order to make the TV.
So but you see like it's like they're breaking the fourth wall where like it got so into
intense, like I'm uncomfortable.
(46:47):
This is not right.
But there is a lot that I think we could unpack at our next podcast.
Okay.
Yeah.
Because there's a lot of like real, real things obviously happening because there's also that
line of like, Bryn had shared the assault story with viewers.
(47:08):
So new of this watching it.
And we saw another side of Bryn where she is an overly sexual.
She likes to, she jokes about, she's overly, I don't know the proper way to say it like
sexualizes everything.
So then for her, we saw a different side of her because she was sharing her story, which
takes a lot of courage.
(47:28):
Everyone was like, you know, you're doing an amazing job sharing it on national television.
So she was elevated to a degree that she deserved because she was talking about it.
Right.
It was relatable to so many.
Sadly.
And then for her to weaponize, so that's how they saw it.
Yeah.
Okay.
You're then going to blame this person for what horrible thing happened to you.
(47:51):
It's just a lot of things there.
We could just on the next podcast.
I will, I will catch up and I do want to schedule that before we get off today, not while we're
live, but you know, yes.
Oh, but the people are dying to hear our 10 listeners and talks.
Thank you for tuning in.
(48:13):
So all right.
So what do we have coming up?
So Vanderpump is coming back sometime.
We have don't have a date yet.
Right.
Oh, I don't know if I can watch it.
Oh, we do.
Oh, it's just complete.
I can't.
Yeah.
But we don't have a date.
So, you know, we didn't even get to talk about Sheena Shea's new memoir that came out
called my good side, but we'll talk.
We'll have to look into that for next time.
(48:36):
I don't know if it's referring to the camera angle or the good side of her personality.
I have no idea, but I know it's called my good side.
Yeah.
Well, and we do have summer house coming out.
Yes.
Very, which I just think the dynamic between Lindsay and Carl and the house her being pregnant,
it's going to be.
Yeah, I like that show.
I do like that show.
But I think it's going to be interesting.
(48:57):
And the Valley, when's the Valley coming back?
Oh, we haven't even looked.
Yeah, I mean, looked it up.
That always comes, right?
Doesn't it usually come in the same because sometimes they're on the same week.
That's how I know I'm going to have a summer house coming back.
Is it soon?
February, February.
Okay, cool.
All right.
Okay.
So we have some good stuff coming up.
We do.
(49:18):
We do.
Excellent.
Excellent.
So my job is to catch up with New York City.
You have to.
All right.
What do you do?
Do you guys want to sign yourself any homework before the next podcast?
Honey, and I need you all to be caught up on a little bit of my sister.
Yeah, I guess I've got to go down that.
Oh, you can just show that you told us is all a complete farce.
You want us to catch up on?
(49:38):
Well, I mean, you guys to feel baited and switched as well.
I mean, someone with me, because my husband won't watch it for the 18th time.
I feel like there's so many seasons of that show.
I feel like it's going to take a lifetime.
I'm just watching the last season right now.
Okay.
Well, excuse me, maybe at least the last three to see the breakup.
You got to see the, there's like 20 episodes in each season.
(49:59):
I don't have time to watch 60 hours of Sister Wives to be.
I do.
I can come in and write with you.
Sometimes I need someone there with me.
I think maybe I should just Google this one.
You totally could.
But I think the synopsis.
There's a lot of factors there.
We could discuss pop culture wise that we could really get into.
(50:21):
All right, Jessica, just go to Wikipedia.
Read, do a summary.
All synod here.
Notes, something.
Yep.
Oh, all right.
Anything else before we go?
Any parting thoughts?
No, just keep getting out of the world we live in and watch your trashy.
Yeah, it's the perfect escape.
(50:42):
We actually do have a reality TV going on right now in our country, but just a real
reality TV.
So, all right, everybody have a great week and we'll be back again in a few weeks.
All right.
This concludes today's podcast.
We're always looking for new ideas, so feel free to reach out to Judy Raper, Associate
(51:04):
Dean of Community Engagement at Greenfield Community College at 413-775-1819.
If you have an idea, you'd love to share.
Special thanks to the creators of Backyard Oasis, Denny Schwartz, Chad Fuller, Dennis
Lee, and Christine Copeland.
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