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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, I'm Dr Kate
Walker and I'm excited to
present another finalist for our2024 practice grant giveaway.
This is Josh Killiam, withBecoming you Counseling, and
this is part of our Share theLove series in February.
So remember, as we do, thispart of this is learning how to
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connect to our fellow counselors, learning how to refer to our
fellow counselors.
Right, it's not aboutcompetition.
There's plenty to go around,and so how do we connect clients
with our exceptional colleagues?
So, josh, thank you so much forletting me interview you, and
we'll get started.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Awesome.
Thank you for having me.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
All right, I'm
putting the glasses back on.
So, number one, where are youlocated and how can our
listeners refer clients to yourpractice?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, I'm in Austin,
texas.
My practice is in South Austin.
I have a virtual practice andalso an in-person practice and,
in terms of referring clients,the website is best.
Speake (01:14):
Becomingyoucounselingorg
is the easiest way, the website
and it's beautiful, I mean it'san absolutely beautiful website
and so it's really clear to seelike if you are trying to refer
someone for individual therapyor play therapy, couples and
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family or intensive therapy.
So if you're a counselor,listening to this, it's easy to
help neighbors, colleagues,friends get at least onto the
website and understand what todo next.
Plus, it's cool it looks likeyou've got some blogs going on
here, so very, very easy tonavigate and so very easy to
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refer to you.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So thank, you for
that, thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
What do you love
about your business?
And before I hit record on this, you've got more than one iron
in the fire, right?
You've got some other thingsgoing on besides just your
counseling.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, yeah, I think
the initial piece, outside of
just being a counselor and ahelping professional, is owning
my own business, making my ownschedule.
I have three children that youknow.
Being a business owner gives methe opportunity to spend time
with my family, have a goodwork-life balance, and so that's
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a big priority of mine outsideof being a counselor.
But in terms of being acounselor I'm.
You know.
It's an honor to sit with everyclient that comes in and ask
for help.
It's an honor to be able tooffer them help.
I practice mainly coherencetherapy.
It's an experiential therapy,and the deep work that that type
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of therapy guides us into isjust extremely rich and profound
, and so that's a main.
Really, just what drives me isbeing able to, you know, have a
client.
Typically, my clients are thosethat have struggled, been in
therapy for many years withoutany results.
They find coherence therapy andthrough coherence therapy
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they'll reach out to me, and theyou know message with coherence
therapy is that we can offeryou transformational change, and
so it's a real rich experienceto be able to sit with clients
and guide them to that change.
Another aspect is I've recentlybecome a trainer for the
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Coherent Psychology Institute,and that's just been a gift to
be able to share what I'velearned about coherence therapy
with other therapists.
We offer trainings from theInstitute.
I'm a part of a workshop weoffer every two months, and so
that's been recent.
Over the past 18 months, Ithink, and prior to that I just
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was in private practice seeingclients Monday through Thursday
kind of that typical privatepractice schedule, and then the
past 18 months I've added inthis training aspect and so
that's been pretty awesome, new,some learning edges there in
terms of wait a second, I'm notwith clients every day, I can
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shift myself.
It's not quite supervision,obviously, but it's more of that
training.
I'm with other therapists andso that's been a new, fun
experience that I'm lookingforward to growing in the future
.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So getting out of the
therapy room has kind of
enriched your whole professionalexperience, sounds like.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, it's been
different.
I didn't seek it out, it wasn'tan aim of mine.
I felt value from seeingclients and I kind of just felt
my focus was on being a bettertherapist.
That was my focus and how do Ioffer the best experience to my
clients?
And through my own learning,this opportunity kind of fell in
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my lap and I took it and it'sbeen extremely enriching in
terms of helping myself grow andwith my own learning.
I kind of realized, wow,there's a difference between
really practicing this but thenbeing able to teach it, and so
that's really challenged me togrow.
It's also added a shift rightthere.
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I have wonderful days,enriching days with clients,
enriching weeks with clients butthen I have the challenging
weeks, the challenging days andthe ebbs and flows, and so
having that trainer aspect is areal.
I'm really appreciative of it.
It's been, it's been.
I feel very grateful for thatopportunity and I plan to take
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full advantage of it.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
And has that helped
with the flexibility, the
work-life balance, or is thatsomething?
You were had to kind ofreinvent it once you started
training?
Yeah, I think I've had toreinvent it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
You, yeah, I think
I've had to reinvent it a little
bit.
You know I make my, you know,in terms of the training.
You know I get to make my ownschedule there, but it's an
interesting mindset to be intrainer mindset and therapist
mindset and so I've had to kindof navigate okay, wait a second,
what are my client days, whatare my training days?
But also I don't want to add onto my schedule because I value
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my time with my family and mychildren, and so that was a kind
of a learning curve for me,because I will tend to take on
more and then kind of feelunderwater a little bit and then
look around and wonder what'sgoing on.
So I kind of found myself there.
So I've had to reinvent it, asI've added on the training
because, as I said, it wasn't Ididn't seek it out, it was not,
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you know, a goal of mine.
It graciously fell into my lapand it was, and I just kind of
ran with that opportunity.
And you know, I'm in a placenow where I've got a good
balance of clients and trainingand I'm very happy with where
I'm at.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Sounds like I mean, I
guess I hear this theme a lot
with entrepreneurs right, it'sthat creativeness you know that
we have and just like, oh, thiscould be great, this could be
great.
But it sounds like work-lifebalance is a real priority for
you and you're going to fight toestablish that.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yes, yes, very much.
So.
Yeah, I love my work, um, I'm,I love every most things about
it.
I think it would be incorrectto say everything about it, but
I'm very grateful to have becomea therapist.
It's very enriching, um, and I,you know, I know this about me,
that I will give too much to mywork and with my children.
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It's just something I've had tolearn of wait a second.
This is also valuable to me and, again, owning my own business
has given me that opportunitythat I'm extremely grateful for,
to be able to, you know, wait asecond.
You know what this thing isgoing on with my family.
I am able to prioritize that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, that's a nice
aha moment.
I kind of remember the samething with my family.
I've got three kids and I wastalking with my husband like,
well, I just can't get Mondaysoff.
He's like who makes yourschedule?
I'm like oh yeah, that's right,it's me All right.
So where do you struggle?
You kind of alluded to that alittle bit, but where do you
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struggle?
And maybe what suggestions orwhat could even listeners help
with, or what could people giveyou feedback on, or what would
you ask for feedback?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
about out.
Yeah, um, my struggle is yeah,that's a good question I, I
don't.
I don't market very well I, I,my struggle is, um, online
platform, social media.
You know my way.
I got my website done at thebeginning because I was
invigorated to get it done and Ihad help doing it.
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I actually kind of was a partof it but had somebody else help
me put it together.
I am such tunnel vision onproviding valuable therapy in
the therapy room that I kind oflet everything else in terms of
marketing and advertising fallto the wayside.
I'll have moments where youknow, I'll try social media for
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a while but I just I find that Ican't get into it and then if
I'm not into it and it's notenriching to me, it just falls
flat.
So I would say that's mybiggest struggle is just the
marketing aspect of the.
You know, my presence, mymarketing presence out in the
world, would definitely be agrowth edge of mine.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Okay, and sometimes I
find that people who struggle
with marketing I mean it'sreally because they're satisfied
with their client load right,because if marketing works,
you're going to get more clientsright, and the pipeline will be
full.
So do you feel like you'repretty satisfied with?
Well, this goes back towork-life balance again, then,
doesn't it?
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Are you happy with that clientload and what you've got on your
plate right now?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, I would say
that I am.
I think it's been aninteresting.
I have this conversation quitea bit with colleagues about kind
of that organic word of mouthreferrals, which is where I get
majority of my referrals and I'mvery happy with my caseload.
I think becoming involved withthe Coherence Psychology
Institute and Coherence Therapyhas also helped with that.
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But again, so yeah, I do thinkthat the motivation is not
necessarily there to really diginto marketing and dig into
advertising, because I do feelpretty comfortable with where
I'm at in terms of the referralsI get and the caseload I
currently have.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Okay, so this might,
this episode actually might fit
into your strategy, because thisis like a word of mouth
referral right.
This is everybody being able torefer to you now because
coherence therapy and this issomething you offer and clients
who are looking for that youknow, what side hustles, and we
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kind of talked about that.
So what side hustles can youpromote to your audience?
Can people consult with you?
So, in addition to yourpractice, in addition to your
training, what if there's acounselor listening to this who
wants to know more aboutcohesion therapy or becoming a
trainer or the CohesionInstitute?
How could they get in touchwith you?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, so getting in
touch with me, me personally.
My website's a really goodplace to go to
becomingyoucounselingorg.
I have some trainings coherencetherapy trainings on there.
I host a workshop every twomonths, an introductory workshop
.
It's a really good place to getstarted.
My side hustles are training.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Those workshops and
we'll do.
There are different types oftrainings with the Coherent
Psychology Institute.
They have a website as well.
It's a really good.
There's a lot of information onthe website in terms of
specific trainings.
Way to get started, the bookUnlocking the Emotional Brain by
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Bruce Ecker is Bruce Ecker isthe one who came up with
coherence therapy.
So unlocking the emotionalbrain, which I would assume some
of your listeners have heardabout, that's a good place to
start heard about.
That's a good place to start.
And in terms of consulting,whether it's with coherence
therapy, I have a monthlyconsult group that I host that
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the focus is ct practitionerswho are wanting to refine their
skills for coherence therapy.
I also have the trainings thatI do through the web to the
institute and then that thatworkshop, and that takes up a
lot of my time, a lot of my kindof outside therapy time.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I think that's so
awesome.
I'm actually so.
I'm back on your websitelooking and said it looks like
to me there's a couple of places.
So if you went to services, inthe navigation bar, it's very
clear where the coherence andexecutive coaching is and when
you click that, it's a greatdescription and then a link to
schedule your initial consult.
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And when you go to contact us,I see a form and I love this.
Choose your preference.
You're able to click a dropdownmenu and not only select your
name, but you can also selectcoherence or executive coaching.
So you've made it really reallyclear for people to find you
for the right reason, right, orat least you know what they're
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looking for.
You're not having to kind ofask questions that might get
them or you off track.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Awesome, it's
beautiful, it's a great website,
all right.
So what are your goals for 2025?
And what are your plans formeeting them?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, yeah, just a
little bit, staying in line with
what we've talked about alittle bit.
Our goal, my goal I have apartner who I do the workshops,
with six workshops this year.
That'll be a.
That'll be our goal.
We had three last year.
We would like to double thatthis year.
So six workshops, introductorycoherence, therapy workshops,
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and then I also would like toget my supervision status.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
So the plan is to
take your course.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
That's in the
pipeline for me this year.
For me this year, um, you know,I, because I've, you know, like
I mentioned, training wasn't inmy horizon, on my horizon,
supervision wasn't on my horizon.
I felt very happy with where Iwas at Um.
But since training and seeinghow enriching it is and how, um,
how much I'm learning and thevalue that I'm getting, I've
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decided that, okay, you know, Ikind of hit my mark this year.
I was able to I actually justhit five years in January
renewed my license and I'meligible for to be a supervisor.
That you know.
I'm going to kind of put it onmy to-do list and the goal is to
have that done this year atsome point and see where that
goes.
I don't know that I have a planto really jump in and build a,
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develop a group of superviseesright off the bat, but it's a
next step, it's another door toopen and see what opportunities
will show up there.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
What a great
specialty.
I mean, if you're an associatelistening to this or if you're a
grad student listening to thisand this type of therapy appeals
to you.
You know, I'm always trying tomake sure that we highlight
supervisors with a specialty,right, whether it's play therapy
or EMDR or something that theycan offer that guidance, because
you know it, unfortunately,right, some people, some
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supervisors right, they thinkthey can do everything and
supervisees connect with them.
Then it's disappointing andthey go to another supervisor
and it just gets complicated.
So if you are a graduatestudent or associate listening
to this, then look for Josh'sname on the supervisor roster
here and hopefully in the next12 months or so.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, that would be
that.
That will be the plan.
Is that coherence therapy?
I am, I drink the Kool-Aid.
I am in it, it is I'm.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I gotta read more
about this?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I know nothing about
it, I mean you have piqued my
interest, yeah it is.
It's fascinating, I love it,I'm all, I'm all in, and so when
I do become a supervisor, if Ifind myself with supervisees,
that would be the initialconversation hey, here's really.
What I'm able to help you learnabout is coherence therapy, and
so if this is something you'reinterested in, wonderful.
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If not, I might not be theright fit, but it is.
You know, it is in my bones atthis point.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
That's wonderful.
Yeah, josh, thank you so muchfor letting me interview you
today and hopefully we can getsome connections to you, either
referrals from clients,potential clients who might be
listening or colleagues who maybe listening, and again, your
website.
Your business is Becoming youCounseling, and it's virtual and
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in person in South Austin.
And thanks for entering 2024Practice Grant Giveaway.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Thanks again, thank
you for the opportunity.