105 Understanding LPC Rules With Dr. Ashley Stephens, LCSW-S

Join us as we unravel the complexities of the 2024 Behavioral Health Licensing Rules with our expert guests, Dr. Stevens and Kate Walker. Ever wondered how these new regulations might impact your practice as an LPC, LMFT, or social worker? We'll explore this in detail, offering practical advice on staying compliant and highlighting the benefits of joining professional organizations to stay informed. You'll walk away with actionable strategies for accessing the latest updates from the BHEC website and tips for managing regulatory changes effectively.

Dive into the evolving landscape of social work with Ashley, who provides a historical perspective on continuing education (CE) requirements and recent changes that allow more flexibility in CE formats. We clarify the misconceptions about in-person training and discuss the recognition of associates as professionals, shedding light on the unique structure of the Behavioral Health Executive Council in Texas. This segment is packed with insights on navigating CE requirements and understanding the organizational aspects of these rules.

For LPCs and LMFTs, we cover critical updates you need to know—from changes in supervision plans and procedural updates to the impact of COVID-19 on relational hours. Learn about the new definition of family for LMFTs and why proper documentation and billing practices are more crucial than ever. We'll also tackle essential topics like handling audits, renewing licenses, and maintaining compliance with new CE requirements, ensuring you stay ahead in your professional journey. Don't miss your chance to gain a comprehensive understanding of these changes and how they affect your practice.

Get your step by step guide to private practice. Because you are too important to lose to not knowing the rules, going broke, burning out, and giving up. #counselorsdontquit.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
There we go.
All right, Welcome to ourpresentation this evening.
It is September 2024 rules forLPC, LMFT and social work.
And I will share my screen.
And while I'm doing that, DrStevens, would you introduce
yourself?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hi?
Yes, absolutely so.
My name is Dr Stevens.
I am an industrial andorganizational psychologist and
social worker for the past about15 years working with Kate
Walker on a couple of differentthings.
So stay tuned for all theexciting things we have coming
up for you in the future.
But very happy to be here andhopefully you won't just know me

(00:46):
as the rules lady.
I do a lot more than that.
So don't just don't just thinkof me as the BHEC social work
person.
But if you have any questionsabout anything related to social
work the rule book, bhec happyto answer them.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Awesome.
Thank you so much.
All right, please check yourscreen and make sure that you
can see the PowerPoint.
That is not what I reallywanted to share.
I actually wanted to share aportion of the screen.
It's not cooperating, surprise,surprise.

(01:33):
So we'll go with plan A, andwhen I do these presentations if
you've heard me do thesepresentations before I always

(01:54):
emphasize please know who you'relistening to, right?
This is a really importantpresentation if you're here for
the rules, which I know you are.
So this is just.
This is not a vanity slide.
This is so that you understandthat we have done our very, very
best.
We love research, we love therules and we love bringing them
to you.
So if you have any questions,we'll show you how to reach out

(02:17):
and ask us questions as well.
Now, the ground rules for thepresentation are we are not
attorneys and we are not yoursupervisors.
So if you want the PowerPointand this PowerPoint is going to
have teeny tiny writing on it,so you're going to want the
PowerPoint, because there's alot of this stuff you're going
to look at and you're going tosquint and you're still not
going to be able to see it wewill be happy to send the

(02:41):
PowerPoint.
If you are getting acertificate, we're not going to
post the PowerPoint on socialmedia.
So if you want the PowerPoint,you get it when we get you your
certificate.
If you want the replay, I'mrecording it tonight and,
members of Step it Up, you guysare going to get the replay,
everyone else.
You're just going to have towait till we do this again.

(03:01):
And you know we'll do thisagain.
So don't stress, we willprobably do it again in the
spring because the four-yearrules review is happening.
So we're likely to see lots ofchanges in the next six months
or so.
All right, we already talkedabout CEs.
Now the agenda for tonight.
We're going to start with howto find everything.
We'll talk about negligence,we'll give you a little

(03:23):
background and what we've triedto do tonight, and Ashley and I
talked about this a couple oftimes.
We want to give you aside-by-side, the best that we
can Now as we're putting thePowerPoint together.
It falls apart eventuallybecause the changes just don't
line up all nice and pretty likewe want them to.
Just don't line up all nice andpretty like we want them to.

(03:44):
So if you have your chat open,which I hope you do, I will try
to keep an eye on that.
So if Ashley's talking aboutsomething, I'm going to catch
the chat.
If I'm talking about something,ashley can catch the chat.
Please, please ask questionswith the chat while we're

(04:04):
talking.
I want this to be interactiveand I know there's a lot of
confusion because I see thethreads and I watch what
everybody posts about CEs, aboutrules, about changes and
everybody.
I know you guys want to do theright thing, so there are no
silly questions.
We just want to make sureeverybody has what they need to
do a good job.
So, okay, I see some peopleposting their names in the chat.

(04:25):
We're not going to takeattendance from the chat, y'all.
I'm going to have my assistant,ryland.
He hasn't posted the link yet,but he will.
I promise he will.
So you will need to fill outthe Google form, all right.
So just, I don't want to giveyou a false sense of security
there, all right.
So how do you get to knowexactly what?

(04:47):
Ashley and I know?
You sign up for emails.
You go to the BHEC website andyou sign up for the emails and
you will find out exactly whatwe find out.
As it's happening, the boardhas gotten so wonderful about
keeping everybody up to date.
You go to the website.
The links are hot, they're live.
You go and you grab the thingsthat you need and if you want to

(05:10):
go to the TAC, I find thissuper cumbersome.
You guys recognize this sort ofblue background and it just to
me it doesn't read very friendly.
So what I do is I go to theBHEC and I website and I
download the PDFs.
The PDFs are much easier tosearch.
You can also belong to one ofour outstanding statewide

(05:32):
organizations TCA, aamft, theSocial Work Organization, and
even informal community groupslike the Texas Supervisor
Coalition or Texas CounselorsCreating Badass Businesses.
We will get you information.
Coalition or Texas CounselorsCreating Badass Businesses we
will get you information.
You will be able to download somuch excellent material from

(05:55):
the BHEC website and they evenhave lunch and learns now.
So if this is news to you, Ihighly recommend that you go to
the lunch hour.
You know you can sit and talkwith the attorneys, you can talk
with staff.
You can talk with all thosepeople that you're so frustrated
with that are really justtrying to do a really good job.
And I do not work for the board.
I don't represent the board.
I've been doing this andAshley's been doing this for a

(06:18):
decade, and so this is a huge,huge, wonderful, positive change
, is a huge, huge, wonderful,positive change.
So, briefly, let's talk aboutnegligence and, just FYI, I'm

(06:38):
planning on one CE for you guys,but if we go over a little bit,
I hope you're okay with thatand we'll give you the CE
accordingly.
So negligence happens when youbreak a rule.
Well, how do you know it'shappened?
There has to be a specialrelationship.
So if you're the counselor,that's the consent form.
If you're the supervisor,that's that paperwork you mail
into the state that says, hey,I'm a supervisor.
Now there has to be some kindof breach of duty.

(07:01):
So you took action that wasunnecessary.
Like you had sex or you diddrugs with your client.
The action was necessary butyou didn't take it.
Like you should have reportedto CPS but you didn't, or you
took it at the wrong level.
You reported to CPS, to yourboss, instead of reporting to

(07:21):
CPS.
So injury there has to be someharm to someone and it has to be
tied back to you, your actionor your omission.
So the umbrella of rules thatyou hear about as a practitioner
range from federal laws likeHIPAA and FERPA, to state laws

(07:43):
like the TAC laws, the FamilyCode, house Bill 300,
professional organizationsAnybody heard of the ACA Code of
Ethics?
I mean, people think those arerules, they think those are laws
.
They're not.
They are our Code of Ethics andthat was designed by the
American Counseling Associationand lots of organizations have

(08:06):
that.
And then your job.
And then, of course, your ownmoral compass, because it really
comes down to what you feel isthe right thing to do when there
is no rule.
We develop best practices, andthat's what groups like this are
all about.
Practices and that's whatgroups like this are all about.

(08:27):
We talk about these rules, wetalk about those big gaping
loopholes that seem to want tosnare us, and we develop best
practices based on research,based on what our colleagues are
doing, what's working, and wetalk to attorneys like Kenda
Dalrymple and Michael Flynn andLaurel Clement who say, yeah,
that's a pretty good thing to do.
So just another list of federallaws Like.

(08:49):
I think a few people you know, acouple of years ago were asking
well, why hasn't the LPC boardtalked to us about the no
Surprises Act?
Well, it's because it's afederal law.
Our licensing boards don'tconcern themselves with federal
law or they don't govern thatright.
They include that like HIPAAright, but they're not going to
govern that.
And labor laws like why don'tthey tell us how to do 1099 or

(09:13):
W-2?
Because it's labor laws, it'snot under their jurisdiction.
This is a list of state levelrules.
Now, I promise you we're notgoing to give you a long history
lesson, but it's important toknow where some of these things
came from.
If you have been in thispresentation before and you're

(09:36):
like, oh gosh, kate, please notagain, you know, feel free to
hit your mute button.
Now it's okay because it'shistory.
It hasn't really changed much.
But now we get to add socialwork.
So this is what's so cool.
You kind of get to see howsocial work has morphed right
alongside lpc and lmft.
So I'm going to put my glasseson and, uh, so brief history.

(09:58):
Sunset review happened, whichcoincided with a rules review.
The boards met when I sayboards, I mean LPC, lmft, social
work and psychology and all ofthem agreed and the governor did
too to form BHEC, theBehavioral Health Executive
Council.

(10:19):
Now, what's important tounderstand is there's no
hierarchy Like the BHEC isn'tthe boss of the member boards,
right?
Bhec administers the memberboards, the member boards LPC,
lmft, social work and psychologystill have the power to
determine things like theirscope of practice and who gets

(10:42):
in trouble for what and what theconsequences are and how to
apply and what the academicstandards are.
So you will see in ourpresentation tonight, changes
specific to BHEC, changesspecific to LPC, lmft and social
work.
All right, that doesn't meanone supersedes the other.
In fact, they do a pretty goodjob of aligning and that's been

(11:07):
an issue every once in a while.
So I've got my chat open.
Any questions so far just aboutthe establishment of BHEC or
sunset or any of the terms thatI've talked about federal versus
state.
No surprises, no sillyquestions, anything.
We good All right Off to theraces.

(11:30):
Here we go, so 27 to 2019.
When Ashley put this on thePowerPoint you know because
we're sharing it on a GoogleDrive I was like, oh wow,
everybody just did the samething.
So so, ashley, anything youwant to add here?

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Sure, I'll just say, as we go through this, what
you'll see is some flip-flopping.
So if one side says, tooklimits off of these things, and
then you see in the next year ortwo years from there, it put it
back on, it might have taken itright back off.
So don't get confused about theconstant flip-floppery.

(12:10):
2024, we've got you.
When it comes to like, what arethe current state of things and
spoiler alert for when thatcomes, a lot of these things
have been removed, some of therestrictions, so they were
removed in 2017 through 2019.
And you'll see them come rightback and then they'll go away
again.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
So no, confusing there, no confusion.
This is this is the year thatthey said anybody can be a CE
provider.
Right, I still see that in ourthreads.
What are the criteria?
How do I become?
What do I need to do to can myassociate be?
And the answer is yes, yes, allof it, and even put the 50%

(12:54):
rule aside.
Everybody and anybody can noteverybody should, but they can.
Also, I want to put limits.
Let's see limits on the timeyou can apply.
Okay, this one here, I think, isimportant.
I knew it was going to do that.
I just heard last week thatsomeone thought the board was

(13:18):
re-adding a requirement forin-person CEs.
So the comment was somethinglike yeah, someone told me they
need to sign up for a conferencebecause we have to do
face-to-face CEs again.
That is incorrect.
All right.
When the limits were removed onCEs for technology, what is

(13:41):
determined?
This?
This, actually what we aredoing right now is a
face-to-face CE, okay, so there,there is no difference between
sitting in your room with us andsitting at the end of your
keyboard with us, all right.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Ashley all right, so social worker who uses
technology in the provision ofsocial work services.
Back in 2017, 2019, there was arequirement, like you'll see in
LMFT we mirror LMFT quite often, so you'll see that kind of
yeah, lpcs are off.

(14:21):
You know y'all are doing yourown thing, but us and LMFT were
pretty similar in a lot ofthings.
We did have to have 15 hours ofcontinuing education initially
to get your supervisordistinction, and then two years
every single subsequent renewalperiod, and this was on top of
the hours that you needed your30 hours for your biannual
review.
So that used to be the case.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
That's a lot, and MFT was the same.
This was the year we saw theboard trying to pave the way for
our associates to be seen moreas professionals.
So you saw the word temporarylicense go away.
We saw the term distancecounseling removed, which is so

(15:07):
interesting to me because that'sactually before COVID and all
of these limits were taken awaybefore COVID.
So it's interesting.
All right, any questions about2017 to 20?

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Well, let me keep going let me keep going, ashley,
anything you want to add there.
So the limits on the online40-hour training were removed.
So number one, that any part ofthat there was back then there
was a certain percentage of thishas to be face-to-face live,

(15:42):
those kinds of things.
You can't do the full socialwork supervisor course to get
your supervisor distinctiononline.
Now that was removed back then.
And then also was the 40-hourcourse you had to like.
If you took it today, you onlyhad a two-year clock started
from when you could request.

(16:03):
So if something happened, youtook the course and then you
didn't have the ability to payfor the upgrade or you forgot to
do the paperwork or whatever.
If it was two years after whenyou took it, you would have to
take it again if you didn't getthat supervisor distinction.
So that was removed in theseyears in these years.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
This was the year for LPC that they removed the
criteria or the number of yearsto keep intern records.
We get asked that a lot.
How long do we have to keep ourintern paperwork?
Back then it was intern, nowit's associate.
It was removed here.
This is where site limits wereremoved.
Right Board doesn't care howmany sites or where the
supervisee sees clients.
They put that on us.

(16:51):
Right Supervisors areresponsible for that.
And this was when the 40-hourcourse could be completely
online.
And this is the year that theytook away the LPC associate's
ability to roll over anygraduate school hours toward
their direct hours.

(17:12):
All right, any questions about2017 to 2019?
Is it all lining up?
All right, here we go 2020.
All right, here we go 2020.
Be heck, and it's all that.
I told you it would be right.

(17:32):
Y'all can read that Each of theboards, each of the boards, each
of the boards.
So it makes it very clear thateach board, they have to
communicate.
Right?
It's a I don't know there'snothing like it in the country.

(17:54):
The Behavioral Health ExecutiveCouncil is really unique to
Texas, so I think it's a reallycool thing to have.
If you're interested in how theboards, the rules are organized
.
When you download the PDF, thisis what it looks like and you

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see in the upper right-handcorner.
This tells you the version thatyou have and, for those of you
keeping score, they released anew version last week.
So the first five sections areBHEC.

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The sixth section will be yourmember board and this is for
everybody.
This is LPC, lmft and socialwork and psychology.
And then section seven andeight are other laws.
So if you ever wonder, okay,what's the family code on that?
And your supervisor, you cansend your associates here.
I think this is great.

(19:00):
Now, one thing that did changeand a few folks did not see and
this was in 2020, you know that.
Notice in your consent form itchanged.
So that's for clients who wantto file a complaint.
For your clients who want tofile a complaint, they need to
have the contact information.
They have to have this.
So if you never switched thisout of your consent paperwork,

(19:26):
you got to do that.
Also, this is when they addedfingerprinting.
This is when they added takingthe sex trafficking course.
They added the backgroundchecks, the verification of
citizenship, and this is wherethat happens.
So I know there's a lot ofconfusion about okay, do I have
to take the sex traffickingcourse every time?

(19:47):
Do I have to get fingerprintedevery time?
And that answers that?
Oh goodness, I just saw.
We have the link.
Everybody.
Look in your chat.
There's the link so you canfill out the form.
If you need the CE, take asecond and click that link.
You don't have to fill it outnow, but you'll have a tab open
like the rest of us.
You can have 8 million tabs andkeep that open after the

(20:10):
presentation.
All right, now theflip-flopping.
All right, ashley go ahead.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Your first flop so re-added that two years from
when you took your supervisioncourse that you had the clock
started.
You had those two years and ofcourse during this period we
wanted everyone, as soon as youfinish that course, go ahead,
pay the fee, get that upgradedso you don't have to worry about
it.
But that did get reinstituted.

(20:38):
And then the supervisor CEsthey shifted that a little bit.
So the supervisor status if youhad that status and you wanted
to keep it, you had to do sixadditional hours of continuing
education specifically insupervision every two years.
And then this was a reallyinteresting thing.
We are one of I believe we'reup to five states in the entire

(21:01):
country where they shifted overto when you go to take the
licensing exam for yoursupervisees or people who are
currently LMSWs working on theirclinical hours, they had to
apply directly through the ASWBwebsite rather than call and
start the process with the board.
So that was a huge change thatwe're still doing now.

(21:23):
We're one of very, very fewstates that do it.
So a little bit of an odd ducksituation there.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
LPC and LMFT.
You can see the same flip-flopshappening with LPC, lmft pretty
significant.
We saw the reduction of theLMFT relational hours from 750
to 500 because it was just sodang hard to get.
And then, of course, coincidingwith COVID, getting a family

(21:53):
hour was really hard viatechnology.
And then the LMFT, ce yeah,they were starting to do some
things with CEs, but you'll seeit all evens out in the end.
So if you're an LMFT and you'relooking at that and you're
going what, don't worry about it, because in a few more slides

(22:16):
you'll see it all works out.
You notice LPCs.
I'm going to draw yourattention to the LPC associate
Everybody's like.
Well, where in the rules doesit say we have to spell out
associate?
It's not that it says you haveto spell it out, it's that there
is no mention of an LPCA.
All right, so you will see inthe rules you may refer to

(22:40):
yourself as this, you may referto yourself as that and for
supervisors, you guys know thisbecause it'll say LPCS.
Nowhere in the rules does itrefer to an A.
Okay, so just be aware of that.
Just because it's not written,it's sometimes the omission that
gives us what we need to know.

(23:01):
All right, before I move on, anyquestions about 2020?
All right, speeding along, herewe go, 2021.
Now they just went through andthey started getting rid of the

(23:23):
term board.
Right, it's kind of like theygot rid of the term fax.
So now we have board instead of, or council instead of board.
So council approved, councilapproved.
They got rid of the renewalcard.
Staff says there's no way we'regoing to be auditing 10% of the
licensees.
And they listened and theyreduced it to five.

(23:44):
I don't, what is this?
What is the plan, ashley?
What is that?
I'd always intrigued me.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, so social work is a little bit weird here too,
back in.
But prior to 2021 era, we hadto get a plan, a supervision
plan approved by the board,before you could start
collecting your hours from LMSWto try and attempt to go for
your LC, from LMSW to try andattempt to go for your LC.

(24:18):
So the 3,000 hours that youneed over the no less than two
years that initially got startedgot processed by a
board-approved supervision plan.
Well, in this day and age,still to this day, this is the
case.
You complete, you start workingon a form.
There's four little check boxesthat you keep logs, that you
have a job description, thosekinds of things but that form

(24:40):
doesn't get turned in until yougo to upgrade from LM to LC,
which means that everyone likesto conveniently forget that it
exists until they scramble.
At the very end going, I got toget a letter from my employer
saying that my externalsupervisor is okay to talk about
confidentiality.
It's a little bit of a mess,but we don't nothing.

(25:01):
You need to be undersupervision to start the process
, but you don't have to haveanything approved by the board
to start the process, which,honestly, is like no other state
I've seen.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
And how many states are you?

Speaker 2 (25:13):
licensed in like no other state I've seen.
And how many states are youlicensed in?
I'm currently licensed in nine,I've been up to 11 and I
supervise in five of them.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
So good perspective, All right, and that was it.
There were no changes to LPC,LMFT.
I guess they all just took abig break because COVID right.
So no major changes to LPC andLMFT in 2021.
So here we are, 2022.
So COVID passports were a thingand that's still in the rules.

(25:47):
They said no passport questions.
No, you know, if your clientcame in face-to-face you
couldn't ask them if they hadbeen vaccinated.
Ashley, we got a question inthe chat.
Is there a sample supervisionplan?

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Okay, yeah, so I'm going to, I believe, in kind of
citing all of my work, so youdon't just think I'm kind of
speaking out of out of my ownbrain.
So I'm going to find the exactrule that says this but an LPCS
can supervise a social worker,like at work.
But if you have an LMSW who'shoping to gain their hours for

(26:24):
LCSW, an LPC can't supervisethem.
That's a question we get a lotand I know that's not exactly
what you're asking here, butthere is a form on the board's
website that is the supervisionplan.
As we know, with Kate WalkerTraining, there's all sorts of
other things that we talk aboutthat aren't provided by the
board Orientation, actually acontract that we do with our

(26:47):
supervisor supervisees butthere's one just really quick
and easy form on the board thathas basically just they sign
their information.
Here's four quick littlecheckboxes of things to get kind
of saved on your on your filefor your supervisee and then
assign.
So it's really it's not it'snot robust, but it is.

(27:09):
There is a form on the boardwebsite.
I will link you to that.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Awesome is a form on the board website.
I will link you to that.
Awesome.
All right 2022.
Ashley, you want to go or doyou want me to skip to LPC LMFT
while you're Googling?

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, you go ahead Okay.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
So this was the year that the associates, you know
the shot heard and browned theworld right.
So the associates went to theboard and as an organized body
and they said, hey look, what'shappening here really is not
fair.
And the board's attorney agreedyou know, we're in Texas.
Anybody can own a business.

(27:54):
So the law, or the rule,changed in 2022.
Lpc associates can own abusiness.
They are shared, the liabilityis shared with their supervisor.
They define independent practiceas practicing without a
supervisor, not the way the IRSdoes it.

(28:16):
Independent contractor right.
This is independent practice.
So you have to remember to takeboth of those words.
And they said for ussupervisors, you must have a
record of acknowledgement in thesupervisee file if they are
self-employed, or in other words, on their own practice.

(28:37):
Lmfts were unching toward beinga little bit kinder because of
COVID and the fact everybody wasaccruing hours.
All the associates wereaccruing hours via technology,
so they gave a way for them togo over the 500 cap on their

(28:59):
direct hours and if there's agovernor mandated disaster and
that's gotten better too.
So stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
And then and then setting as a LMSW, you can only,

(29:33):
you only have to get four hoursof clinical practice, direct
practice, and that is, you know,the definition is in the rule
book but only four hours perweek and then all of your hours
can count towards that 3000limit.
So what this means is that forour social work friends who are
pursuing their clinical license,not all of their 40 hours a

(29:57):
week have to be in thatface-to-face.
It gives a little bit of abreak for all of those people
who are doing clinical casemanagement or some of the other
types of employment, not therapyall day, every day, for 40
hours a week, which is greatgrade.

(30:18):
The initial, you see these twoyears a lot.
Back then they were requiringthat if you took and passed the
National Clinical Social Workexam you had two years in order
to upgrade your license or elseyou had to start over, which is
absolutely kind of insane.
And then this one is a big oneand a huge difference from LPC,
lcsw.
Our rulebook says that they canown a business asterisk, huge

(30:40):
asterisk but they can't beindependent and it can't be
clinical and it has to besupervised, unless you get an
independent practice recognitionIPR.
So that's a huge question weget all the time.
Can provisionally licensed LMSWsocial workers own their own
business?
Yes, doing something other thanclinical social work?

(31:02):
And then, lastly, they removedthe 48 and 60 month maximums for
completing your supervisedexperience.
You can actually take now aslong as you need and those
differences 48 hours.
You had up to four years to getyour license.
If you were doing an LMSWpursuing LC and for that IPR,

(31:22):
that independent practicerecognition, you had 60 months.
You had five years to do that.
That is no longer the case.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Lydia is asking should that read LMSWw, not lcsw
?

Speaker 2 (31:35):
second to the last oh yes, you're absolutely right.
Lms all lcsw.
You're free for all.
Have at it.
Own all the businesses, do allthe things.
That's lmsw.
Great catch lydia.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Thank you all right, still in 2022.
You want to go first.
You want me to go?

Speaker 2 (31:59):
I can do it.
So we've deleted the threehours of CEs for supervision
theory and you've seen 15 hoursof tech.
You've seen six hours ofsupervision.
You've seen three hours ofsupervision.
Current status is that youdon't require those three hours
of CE every two years insupervision theory, skills,

(32:20):
strategies or evaluations, andyou are no longer required to
indicate it's kind of a you'reautomatically opted in rather
than opted out for yoursupervision status to continue,
which is great.
You don't have to remember toindicate yes, I still want to do
this.
Please don't take me off yourroles.
So that's good.

(32:41):
And then your CE rules all gotmoved into one place with a new
addition of the culturalcompetence hours, which are
currently still operating underthree hours of cultural
competence, under three hours ofcultural competence, and all of
the hours that you collect arenow under that 30 hour max.
So you don't have to do this ontop of it and this on top of it

(33:03):
and that on top of it, creatingmuch larger than 30 hours.
Now it's 30 hours inclusive ofyour jurisprudence, your
cultural competence, your ethics, etc.
Which is great.
Your jurisprudence, yourcultural competence, your ethics
, et cetera, which is great.
Your jurisprudence counts forone hour.
That's really confusing becauseit says in different places on
the website and thing it's twohours or three hours.
It is one hour per our rulebook and you can do one whole

(33:28):
hour of self-study.
So if you are doing self-studyand that's just like I read a
good book that related to mypractice in social work you can
only count one hour of that.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
All right, lpc and LMFT.
So LPC just continuing.
This is where all of thechanges regarding them being
self-employed, they can takemoney.
They can't represent themselvesas an independent practitioner
yes, they do have to putsupervised by.
They just took out in the sametype, size and font that they

(34:04):
had everywhere in the rules,right?
So this is what I'm seeing alot now.
Well, my associate's giving atalk to a group and it's not
going to have anything to dowith their you know practice.
Well, that's, you'd have toargue that with the board if
somebody felt they were beingdeceived.

(34:24):
Right?
You always have to think fromthe audience's perspective, the
reader's perspective, theobserver's perspective.
So they use the termpractice-related forms and LMFT
adopted that same language.
Practice-related forms is ahuge catch-all, right, but

(34:45):
that's a tough one to kind ofwiggle out of For LMFT.
The 15-hour requirement, the 15hour requirement, oh, oh, ok.
So this is interesting to me.

(35:14):
So LMFT and social work bothgot that whole big CE overhaul,
like six months before LPC.
So you're going to see a biggaping.
Nothing for the next few slides, because social work and LMFT
in 2022 adopted all of the 50%rule.
They adopted all of theself-study, they adopted all of
the specifics for culturaldiversity.
So you'll see, the LPCs doadopt it, but they don't adopt

(35:37):
it until 2023.
So I hope you guys are okay ifwe breeze through this.
I'll go slow, but you'll see,like supervisors don't need six
additional, it's six included.
Okay, like supervisors don'tneed six additional, it's six

(36:02):
included.
They reduced that 15 hours.
Thank goodness for LMFT, theygot rid of it.
I'm just going to go slow.
These are all CEs, these arecontinuing education
requirements that are acceptableand we haven't gotten to the

(36:23):
50% rule, thank you.

(36:59):
So as long as your CE isrelated to the practice of your
license, you should be okay,okay.
So some of the new thingsyou'll see this ability to carry

(37:38):
forward 10 hours up to 10 hours.
You'll see, like Ashley wastalking about the self-study and
all self-study is is somethingyou do where you don't get a
certificate, and the 50% rule.

(38:04):
So I was saving this so thatyou could see it.
Social work, lmft 2022, but LPCwill adopt that.
But LPC will adopt that, okay.
So the question and Lacey, thisis a really good question and

(38:25):
it's a really common question.
So you've got a course likethis one that we're doing right
now and you know it can countfor ethics and you know that it
can count for supervision.
Let's say, right and so that'sawesome, right, but it's not two
hours, right, it is one hourtotal that you can count for

(38:46):
whatever you need.
So if you need an hour forethics, then dump it into your
ethics pile.
If you need it for yoursupervision, dump it into your
supervision pile.
So, one training that coversboth ethics and multicultural.
Let's say it cannot count forboth because it's not two hours.

(39:06):
Right, it's still a one-hourtraining.
Does that make sense, lacey?
Or you want to unmute and ask oh, does the presenter have to
define it?
Great question, it's whatever'son your certificate, all right,
I want you to think like staff,right?
So if I'm a staff member and Ihave just audited you and I'm
looking at all of yourcertificates and I'm counting,

(39:28):
and all I'm doing is I'm doingwhat I've been trained to do I'm
going to count and say, oh,they got three of these, two of
those, four of those.
All I'm doing what I've beentrained to do, I'm going to
count and say, oh, they gotthree of these, two of those,
four of those.
All I'm looking at is yourcertificate.
So if you go to a presentationlike this one.
And let's say you wereexpecting ethics and you look at
your certificate and it doesn'tsay ethics on it.
Call the presenter and say, hey, it says on your advertisement

(39:49):
ethics.
I need a certificate that saysethics, right?
So that's what I was here for.
Ashley, you want to add to that?

Speaker 2 (40:00):
The only thing I would say because we get asked
this, especially by superviseesall the time the only caveat to
that I would say is if it's inthe title.
So sometimes it doesn't saymulticultural competence.
Nearly always it's going to sayethics, because that's so
important.
But if the title of yours isworking as a diverse supervisor

(40:22):
or learning cultural competence,you know if it's in the title
and it's going to be in yourdocuments and all of the things
that you've kept from thattraining.
If the certificate doesn't sayit like multicultural competence
specifically because sometimesactually that does vary state by
state whether that's arequirement or not you're good

(40:44):
Like, don't worry about that,they're going to count that if
the title of it also indicatesit.
And same with ethics.
You know if it says the ethicsof being a culturally competent
supervisor, that's a goodindication that you're going to
be able to count that for eitherone supervisor.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
that's a good indication that you're going to
be able to count that for eitherone.
Okay and sorry, just a briefsecond, because I know in the
olden days you used to have toput like this will count as one
hour.
Ethics Texas ethics.
You had to like define it so wedon't have to like put that at
the bottom anymore, as long asit's in the title.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah, if it's, if it's the title of it and all of
your, your materials that you'reproviding to your supervisees
or whoever your audience is, ithas ethics all over it.
If you have control, if you'rethe presenter, please put you
know one hour of ethics at thebottom, if you have control over
it.
But if you take a training andit's all about ethics and they

(41:32):
don't, you can feel prettyconfident.
The board is going to say well,ethics is, it's on the title,
it's on the certificate, it'sjust in the title rather than
like a description of the actualhour.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Okay, I think you know when I was thinking as a
presenter.
Say like I had one where Icover ethics, supervision and
multicultural, and you know ifpeople are deciding which they
want to use that for, like if Iwould have put this counts as
one hour ethics, or do I put itactually counts?
I don't know, it just gotreally confusing.
So that's good to know.

(42:02):
They can.
Just I can put it in the titleand they can choose where.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
And that brings up one of the things that's on the
radar and it's coming is a CEbank.
Right now, the BehavioralHealth Executive Council they're
interviewing vendors who willkind of hold not kind of, they
will hold our CEs.
So as you get a CE, you uploadit to the bank and you know

(42:30):
right now, if you get the bluecard, you're good to go Renew
your license.
If you get the white letter, itsays oh no, your CEs are being
audited.
Right, so honor system untilyou get the white letter.
So they're moving to this bank,though, where you will have to
decide Lacey.
So it'll be like, ok, no, I can, I'm going to count this for

(42:52):
the ethics.
And even if you go back laterand you're like, oh dang, I wish
I had counted that formulticultural, because I really
need to pull it over here, Idon't know if you'll be able to
do that.
So more on that coming soon.
So the 50% rule in a nutshellmeans you as the practitioner

(43:15):
just need to make sure half ofyour CEs so LPCs 12, lmft 15,
social work 15.
15.
In a two-year period right,because that's our renewal cycle
come from a certain type ofprovider, not a certain name, a

(43:37):
certain type of provider.
So again, I want you to thinklike staff.
If they're going to audit youand you want to make sure that
they know that the provider atPESI or whatever was a
supervisor, you're going to wantto, like, call PESI and say,
hey look, make sure that theword supervisor is on this
certificate.
Or if you go to a Region 6presentation, right, that's a

(44:02):
school.
So if that's something, makesure, like, region 6 is
somewhere on the certificate,right?
If you want staff to know whatyou're doing, make sure you make
it very clear to them.
So I think, until the presenters, especially across the country,
get used to this, that, oh mygosh, those Texans are asking
for are we a nationalorganization?

(44:24):
Again, we're just going to haveto do some communicating so
that the certificate that wehave in our hand reflects what
we need.
And again, you're going to beuploading all of these to a bank
pretty soon.
So you may look at you know,three months before you renew
and be like, oh crap, I don'thave enough.
You know 50% from a certaintype.

(44:44):
So this is just moreinformation.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
It looks like social work, is doing some different
things over here, is that?
Yeah, it, we've changed alittle bit bit.
They deleted the three hours ofsupervision theory.
Um, it's back.
So you know, this is just moreof those flip-flopperies, but um
for for supervisors.
If it's confusing at all, letme just say it out loud
currently, august 15th 2024,right this minute, we are

(45:15):
required to do six CE hours insupervision, but that's
inclusive under the 30, not ontop of.
So they deleted it.
It came back.
It's back.
Six hours of supervision, ifyou're a supervisor.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Now, if you're an author or you're a presenter,
please, please, pay attention tothis, right, because and you'll
see it again in a second forLPC, don't worry, it'll hit you
get to claim hours for the workyou do putting together a
presentation or writing yourbook or reading a good book,
right?
No, you don't have acertificate at the end, but keep

(45:52):
a log, right?
I mean, that's what I do.
I give presentations like thisand I have to research to put
the presentation on.
So, yes, I'm going to documentthis as one of the five hours
putting together a presentation.
And then the infamous self-study.
Oops, I didn't change thesocial work.

(46:13):
And again, self-study justmeans you didn't get a
certificate.
Yes, you can count prep, youcan count so many things, and
they will not pre-evaluate orapprove anything.

(46:34):
So, yes, it is buyer beware,but I'm really hopeful that the
new CE Bank, you know, will getsome sort of feedback, like
it'll be like wah, wah, no, thisone you know, and then you can
go do another one or somethinglike that.
Okay, so, deanna, let me see.
If there are two hours givenfor ethics and supervision for a
program, you have to pick whichcategory you want it to count

(46:56):
toward, unless it's spelled outno, even if it's spelled out
like even if it says thiscertificate, there's ethics and
supervision, then you have todecide which pile to put it in,
because you can't do two hereand two there, because that
would equal four hours and it'sonly a two-hour presentation.
Good question, all right, herewe are.

(47:22):
We're almost there, 2023.
Social work Go.
All right, here we are, we'realmost there, 2023.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Social work Go All right, dual relationships.
So back in the day there usedto be this really unclear what
happens when I get paid by mysupervisee.
I'm an external consultant forthe, wherever they work, I get
paid to supervise the person.
Can I also then turn backaround and hire them to see some

(47:47):
of my clients or whatever else?
So dual relationships.
They really clarified this andsaid when the supervisor is the
employer of a supervisee, youcan only you can't double bill
them.
So you can't charge them forsupervision.
If you both work at the sameplace and you get paid by them
to supervise, you can't chargethe supervisee and you can't

(48:12):
both hire them and make them payyou at the same time.
So if you hire supervisees, youhave to kind of work out that
like all right, if you see fivepeople under me, then your
supervision will be free orwhatever else.
It's a dual relationship.
They consider if you're kind ofcharging them twice for you,
kind of supervising them, reallyconfusing.

(48:35):
But they did clarify that.
And then the yeah, that justsays there was a complaint that
actually came about with takingadvantage of supervisees and
making them work for you andthen charging them and all those
kinds of things.
So if you get paid by work tosupervise, you can't charge them
and you can't double, doublebill them basically.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
I was typing in the chat yes, okay, so LPC, six
hours of ethics.
Okay so, lpc, you're going tostart to see the exact same
thing that we covered withsocial work and LMFT, and I'm
not going to read it to youbecause it's going to look so

(49:20):
familiar.
Lmft was really neat.
They have a new definition offamily and I thought this was
great.
A lot of people didn't, but theongoing relationships outside
of session.
So you've got people who are inresidential treatment for a
long period of time, you havepeople in prison, you have you

(49:40):
know that they form a familialgroup.
So I thought that wasinteresting.
A familial group.
So I thought that wasinteresting.
Somebody just asked this week inone of our social media groups
how come LMFT associates don'thave to spell it out?
And I was like they do.
They do have to spell it outand the practice related forms.

(50:02):
So this is how you know Sunsetis working.
This is how you know BHEC isworking, because everybody's
communicating right.
It used to be just so bizarreand everything was just so
different and like they were inthese I don't know different
countries, but now we see peoplesaying, oh no, that makes sense
.
If LPCs have to do it.

(50:24):
Lpc associates, then yeah, lmftassociates should have to do it
as well.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Anything you want to add there?
No, that was just a holdoverfrom COVID that they just, if
there's another declareddisaster, that they're going to
make some exceptions for who canget licensed.
Okay, hopefully we will have anice hundred years before the
next declared disaster.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
No kidding.
So LMFT had another interestingthing 2023 was interesting,
kind of like 2022 was for LPC.
So we got a letter andbasically it said as of today,
all LMFT associate license willexpire February 29th 2028, you

(51:10):
know leap year, right, cause itwas a leap year.
And so, uh, that's because LMFTwas going to structure their
associate license just like LPC,right, no more confusion, no
more three renewals adding up toseven years, unless you needed
more family hours, and then youcould roll, I mean all the
things right.
And so LMFT associate licenseexpire at 60 months, just like

(51:35):
LPC associate license licenses,and so if you happen to have an
LMFT associate in 2023, youmight look at their license
because it expires February 29th2028.
Okay, let me go here and thisis just.

(51:59):
You guys are seeing this is theLPC board catching up with
social work in LMFT regardingCEs.
That's all this is.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
All right, and there's a question about LPC
associates saying LPCA and notlisting their marketing.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Okay, so what we're finding is psychology today,
because it's a national platform, doesn't really care about
Texas rules, and so we've had alot of conversations around this
because psychology today,there's no place to put it or

(52:53):
it's not easy to put supervisedby, and so making sure, just
somewhere, predominantly in thetext, that they're putting
supervised by.
But websites, there's no excuse.
In fact, I saw one the otherday, you know it was in a just
you know regional thread likeAustin, or you know San Antonio,
or one of the threads onFacebook, and somebody's like,
hey, I'd like to introducemyself, I'm such and such LPCA
and my practice is this.

(53:14):
And I go to their website nomention of a supervisor and I'm
like, ah, you know, and it'sjust something that we have to
continually educate ourselvesand our colleagues.
You know, but it is not allowed.
Can you restate the dualrelationship?
If you hire LPC associate, theypay for supervision.

(53:35):
Okay so, dr Hernandez, that wasactually social work.
That was Ashley talking about arule that social work had with
dual relationships, a rule thatsocial work had with dual
relationships.
We don't have anything likethat and you're probably aware
that it's basically just.
You know, we, our LPCassociates, aren't hiring their

(53:58):
supervisor.
They're paying them forprofessional services.
So I know it seems like a veryfine line and, lydia, that's a
great idea.
The LPCS that I know instructtheir associates to write it in
the text box for psychologytoday yes, okay, good, and see,

(54:19):
kendra and Lydia, this is how welearn that stuff, right?
So if our associates are sayingno, I can't do it, we can say
no, I was just in a CE the otherday and I learned how to do it,
if you want to eat that.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
So LPCs?
I'm going slow here, but I amwalking through the 50% rule,
the types of providers.
No, I was not, I was doing thetypes of CEs, I'm sorry.
And just a side note, rememberthe human trafficking course is
not a BHEK, LPC, LMFT, socialworker, psychology requirement.

(55:07):
They simply they emphasize itand they draw attention to it
because it's a state licensingrequirement.
Everybody in Texas who holds alicense has to take that course
and so, yes, it is in our rulesand they will accept it as a CE

(55:29):
right.
But that's why that's the onlyCE that has an approved provider
, Like you just can't take anysex trafficking course.
You have to take it from ahealth and human services Texas
health and human servicesapproved provider.
That's because it's not in ourBHECR member board area at all.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
And this is one of the things about CEs like most
of the CEs are in one place andsex trafficking is somewhere
else, which is why I think ittrips so many people up.
They're looking in that list ofCEs and sex trafficking isn't
that?
The comment about sextrafficking isn't there.
It's actually in the beginningbecause it applies to all four
member boards.

(56:14):
So that's just the like.
I'm always like control F forfind in the rule book type in
sex.
There's, I think, two exacthits and it's both about that
sex trafficking course and it'sjust in a different section,
which is confusing.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Yeah, and in this PowerPoint it does have where
that is, but I'm not going to goback to that.
Okay, 2023,.
Another important thing thathappened with LPC is if you work
somewhere where you can't getthe patient, the client, the
prisoner, the whatever to sign,or they've already signed a
bunch of paperwork, you can gettheir consent without having

(56:59):
them sign.
They can give you an assent,like they can nod their head,
they can say yes, but you dohave to document that they
consented to treatment.
And then this I think comes uplater with social work, and
maybe we already did this withsocial work but with LMFT that
if you work for somebody, youmay not have to be the records

(57:22):
custodian.
I want to be real careful herebecause I'm going to read it
Records created by licenseeduring the scope of employment
with an agency or institutionmust be maintained by the
licensee, unless it's maintainedby the employer.
How are you going to know that?
You got to ask, you got to lookat your contract.
If you're a supervisor, youhave to ask your associates to

(57:45):
ask, right, because they'reallowed to be records custodians
now.
And so with this rule, thiseither or you need some
clarification, because I've hada couple of instances where
people like the thing went outof business or we received the
subpoena and what do I do?
Am I responsible for the sevenyears?

(58:06):
Lmft?
Because it's a 60-month, norenewal, they don't need CEs
anymore.
I'm sorry, let me clarify thatLMFT associates because it's a
60-month, no renewal, they don'tneed continuing education.

(58:31):
Okay, a question if an LPCassociate, also a certified
school counselor, is offering agrowth group at their school,
are they required to have thesupervised by note?
Great question.
Yes, and I guess why not?

(58:54):
You know what I mean and I knowthat's schools can be different
.
That's why I'm hemming andhawing a little bit, because I
know in the scope of their workas a certified school counselor,
those kiddos aren't necessarilytheir clients, right, but they
want to accrue direct hours fromthat group.

(59:14):
So if I was the supervisor, Iwould say absolutely yes, put
your name supervised by.
But if you're in the TexasSupervisor Coalition Facebook
page, that is a great questionto ask in that group, because we
have a lot of supervisors whowork in school settings in that
group.

(59:36):
This is about pending complaints.
It's a BHEC rule.
I will let you guys read thaton your own.
Here we are, 2024.
This is what you've all beenwaiting for, but we covered all
the good stuff.
So, uh, be heck.
Uh oh, this is the mostconfusing sentence in the
history of the world, becausewhat it's referring to is when

(59:59):
you're counseling your clientand they go to New York for the
summer.
So this paragraph, what it saysin legalese, is the minute you
start talking to that client inNew York, texas says, hey, guess
what?
You're not counseling anymore,we have no jurisdiction here.
And everybody took that to meanlike, yay, we can counsel

(01:00:23):
across state lines.
Now you got to check with NewYork.
You still got to check withwhere your client's feet are All
right.
So this was 2024 when theybasically said we only care
where your feet are sorry, wherethe client's feet are not yours
.
That's why we have all thosecool Facebook groups like

(01:00:44):
traveling therapists and why DrAshley and I can go all those
cool Facebook groups liketraveling therapists and why Dr
Ashley and I can go all over thecountry and do what we do right
, because you know our clientsare where they belong.
They're in the state wherewe're licensed.
Our feet are in other places.
So it depends on your license,though I mean, ashley, you have

(01:01:05):
five different licenses.
They may all be different right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
They are all different.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Oh, and social work.
Are you going to talk aboutthat?
Because social work doesn'twant you to counsel when you're
out of the state, right?

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
It depends on the state law and many, many of them
because of, obviously becauseof COVID.
But the other reallyinteresting thing about that
legalese document is and theyreally clarified this on one of
those like insights over thelunch hour was in the not
actually in the rule books, butin the FAQs on the board website

(01:01:42):
.
There was a question like I'mtraveling, as you know, just a
human, as a provider of services, I'm in Texas visiting family
or in the military or whatever,seeing you know, seeing the
sites.
Do I have to be licensed inTexas in order to see my client
who remains in Ohio, vermont,new Hampshire?
And Texas said yes in the FAQs,this in March of 24, they did

(01:02:08):
away with that because why wouldthey be regulating that?
That's crazy pants.
So they also took away that.
Like, you can travel, so all ofyour friends who want to come
visit you that are therapiststoo, they don't have to get
licensed in Texas in order to behere for vacation.
That would be.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
That would be weird.
It was insane.
All right, there's a rule youcan add your doctoral degree,
but it's $54.
So they added to BHEC we alwaysknew this the duty to update
your name and address.
Added to BHEC.
We always knew this the duty toupdate your name and address.

(01:02:52):
And this is new.
I will tell you this is onething we see teaching the
supervisor course that peopleare being asked to do this if
they've never done it before.
So if you've been licensed,like 10 years, and you'd go to
upgrade to supervisor or submitfor your designation, and
they're like, oh, we need you todo an MPDB self-query and
you're like, ah, what is thatthis?

(01:03:13):
I think their goal is just tomake sure every licensed person
has to fill this out at leastone time in their career.
Yes, I can go back to thedoctoral degree.
If you want to add yourdoctoral degree, you can add it,
but they're charging money.
I just didn't put the fee here,but it's in the rules.

(01:03:36):
I believe it's $54 if you wantto get a new license with your
PhD on it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
And for social work, this might be a little more
relevant.
Or if you get a doctorate, thatis something not in your
license field.
So I got a doctorate inindustrial and organizational
psychology.
I can go into my account andrequest that they recognize that
I have a doctoral degree, butit will never change my license

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type because there is nolicensing for IO psychologists.
I can't become a psychologist,I didn't take a clinical program
.
So if you have a doctorate ofanything, if specifically for
social work, an LCSW is yourterminal degree.
There's nothing higher thanthat.
There's other distinctions youcan do nationally and those

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kinds of things.
But for the state of Texas it'sthe highest level, other than
supervisor, which isn'tnecessarily higher, just
different.
So doctorate doesn't changeyour license type, it just
you're recognizing it from theboard and you pay a little fee
to do that.
Up to you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Take it or leave it Just some time limits for
bringing complaints.
$54 if you try to get yourmoney refunded for fees.
I remember that was a proposedrule.
I thought that was weird butit's a rule now.

(01:05:06):
Ashley don't know what that is.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Yeah, so 781.412.
For the social workers.
You had this.
We talked a little bit earlierabout that.
You had two years from when youpassed the national LCSW exam
to when you had to say I'm readyto upgrade my license, or else
you had to kind of start allover.
That is no longer the case.

(01:05:34):
You can take as long as youneed to do that.
It will no longer expire.
You could have taken the test10 years ago and never gone and
actually upgraded your licensefrom LM to LC.
It's all good.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
I'm looking up.
I just want to be sure.
Npdb stands for NationalProvider Database and if you
Google that, you could see howto do the self-query.
So if you haven't done that, orif you've been asked to do that
or you've been audited, you canGoogle that and get that done.

(01:06:14):
Just don't open the envelope.
That's what I did, Please do it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
That changed in our laws and I can't tell you when
it was, but you can just sendthe PDF.
That takes 15 minutes.
You don't have to get it mailedto you any longer.
That was a change.
That's in the rule books.
And, deanna, if you get audited, you have to do it again.
So it does say in our rules,because the National Provider

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Database is a live, like thepoint of it is.
It's a current right.
This second look at everylicense you have in the entire
country and whether there's anyred flags or disciplinary
hearings or anything else.
So if you've been audited, youwill have to do it again, to say
as of this moment, even if youdid it two years ago or five

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years ago.
And that's to make sure that,like, if there's been some
things going on recently, thatthey catch it today.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Yeah, and there's no telling.
You know that's somethingthat's that's changing all the
time, so you know it could be.
We have in a new legislativeyear you know Texas, the
Congress passes something else,so they may want us to do it
more often, there's no telling.
But right now it's one and done, just like your fingerprinting.
All right.

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So 2024, the 50% rule went intoeffect.
They removed the five-yearexpiration for the NCE and the
NHCE and LMFT started to mirrorin that.
They defined independentpractice as needing a supervisor
and they increased, finally,the number of hours that LMFT

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associates could accrue withtechnology, which was such a
great thing, because you know Ilove technology.
Now proposed rules Remember,these sneak up on us, but if you
get emails, you will know whenthe 30-day comment period is.
I make comments all the timeand it's a Google form, right,

(01:08:18):
so it's not like you have to besuper.
You know wordy and creative andall these things.
You go in, you fill out theGoogle form and you say, hey, I
like this rule because.
Or hey, I think this is a dumbrule, and here's why.
And they read every singlecomment.
They don't read it in openboard meetings, but they read
your comments.
It matters because the rulescommittee I don't think those

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rules committee are publicanymore.
You know they'll come out andthey'll say, hey, look, here's
some rules we came up with.
But if you're not on the balland you're not aware of the
30-day rule, I know on the TexasSupervisor Coalition Facebook
page I'll put it out all thetime.
Okay, we got 29 days to commenton these rules, and it's nice,

(01:09:08):
these rules, and it's it's nice.
They also publish it in theTexas Register.
But that is the worst documenton the planet and I'm so glad I
didn't go to law school everytime I read that, because it's
it's awful.
The print is tiny, it's hard toread the four-year rules review
.
The time to comment has passed,but you can propose a new rule.
So if you know you're seeingthis presentation tonight and

(01:09:32):
there's something that you thinkis absolutely ridiculous or
we're leaving out, go to thewebsite, go to BHEC, go to rules
, and it'll say here's how youcan propose a rule.
You know, I know I've done thattoo.
So any more questions, ashley?

(01:10:01):
Anything you want to tag on atthe end here?
I?

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
don't think so.
Thank y'all, for that's a lotof questions.
Ended this super.
Oh, marlene, can you let usknow what profession?
That's one of the things yousee, these national groups on
Facebook and everyone's likedoesn't say their state and
doesn't say their profession.

(01:10:25):
You're like, I don't know, itdepends.
So yeah, just let us know whatprofession LPC, lmft, social
work.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
So if you have ended the relationship with your
supervisor, they will need to.
The rule is they need to submitwithin 30 days all of your
hours.
Rule is they need to submitwithin 30 days all of your hours
, um, but I highly recommendthat you also and in fact, this
is what I'm hearing more, moreand more is that the associate

(01:10:54):
is submitting those hours too.
So, uh, right now, marlene, Ihate, I hate to tell you, I'm
not really sure.
I'm hearing snail mail is theonly way right now.
There may be a way.
Anybody out there want tounmute and tell me?
Is there something updated ordo folks still have to send it
via snail mail?
Yeah, it changes all the time,marlene.

(01:11:22):
So what I would do if I wereyou is I would definitely make
copies, copies of everything,submit it snail mail and if
there's a spot online, it won'thurt if you do it there too.
Lydia's asking about the rule.

(01:11:43):
I kind of I think I might haveskipped that.
Let me so, lydia's asking aboutthe rule.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
I kind of I think I might've skipped that.
Let me Students.
So are you talking about theCEs, like what you can count as
CEs for teaching supervising?
Yeah, Okay.
So let me give you the exactlanguage on that.
All right, so we're in 71.

(01:12:16):
Why are you so scrolling guy?
I told you to stop, it's funfor us.
Yeah, 781.501.
So the specific area that you'regoing to look for is subsection
H, number 7.
It says providing field orpracticum instruction to social

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work students.
You can claim one hour of CEcredit for each hour of college
credit.
So if the class is three hours,you get three hours of CEs.
If it's four, you get four, Ifit's one, you get one.
And the maximum number that youcan do that if you teach three
or four practicum or internshipclasses is 10 per renewal period

(01:12:58):
.
You can't count it towardsethics, cultural diversity or
competency, cultural competencyor cultural diversity.
So let me just say that that's H, and number seven is that
specific rule.
But yeah, if you're teachingsome classes, you can count.
You can count some of that work, which is absolutely great.
You can also count thatseparately.

(01:13:20):
That was just for practicum andfield.
Number four of that same listis teaching or attending.
So if you're auditing a classor you're just you know,
professional development or justfeel like going back to school,
you can also count attending auniversity or college level
course and the maximum for thatis five hours and it's the same.
How many credit hours is howmany hours you get to count.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Yeah, so y'all look at that.
I mean LPCs and LMFTs who aredoc students, you know.
Go in there and see what youcan count for CEs.
All right, so while we'rewinding up here, don't don't
leave yet.
I want you to go to the chatand if you have not done so

(01:14:05):
already, I want you to click thelink, and it looks like I've
posted it, but there are acouple of me's in here, so that
me has posted the Google Doc.
Click it, because if you don'tfill out the Google Doc, we
cannot send you a certificate.
All right, you don't have to gothere now, you don't have to

(01:14:26):
fill it out, but just rememberwhen I close the meeting, that
goes away.
Oh good, we got an answer aboutthe question about where to
submit hours.
Will licensing being audited benotified on the blue card?
Nope, if you get a blue card,that is a no audit.

(01:14:49):
If you get a white letter, thewhite letter with your renewal
means that you've been chosen tobe audited and hopefully, with
that, CE bank.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
it'll, that'll all go away, I think Marlene a couple
of comments back said you haveto wait 30 days to add a new
supervisor, do you know?

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
No, with LPC and LMFT they can overlap and so, yeah,
she can add it as quickly aspossible, because LPC and LMFT
can't associates can't practicewithout supervision.
So, and if you add yoursupervisor quickly, hopefully
fingers crossed staff wouldbackdate it.
But it's not a bad idea to keepboth supervisors at the same

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time until you look at youronline record and you see with
your own eyes okay, your newsupervisor's listed the one at

(01:16:09):
my job and another one that Iwas seeing for, like, the
business aspect of thingsbecause I'm wanting to lounge my
own private practice.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
So the one that was there for the business aspect
and the other trainings that Iwant to take, she's going to
stay in my records, but the onefrom my previous job is going to
be removed.
So now I have a thirdsupervisor who is waiting to
become my second supervisor ofrecord.
But since you mentioned that Ihave to wait 30 days or the not

(01:16:40):
that I have to wait, but thesupervisor has 30 days to submit
my hours.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Yeah, just tell them to pick up the pace, tell them
to do it quicker, because oncethey get that paperwork and
notification from the supervisor, they can do it in 24 hours.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
Okay, so it's just a matter of me speaking to my
former supervisor or who's goingto be my former supervisor to
send in the paperwork quickly.
Yes, you got it Okay.
Thank you so much.
You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Any other questions?
Okay, so this will be aninstructional video.
The replay will.
It's going to appear in our2025 40-hour supervisor training
course and what we willabsolutely do your face will not

(01:17:39):
appear, I promise you, but whatwe may have trouble doing is
editing out these very, veryexcellent questions, and I love
the questions, and so I wouldask that if you unmuted and you
do not want your voice to appearin a Kate Walker training
production which I don't blameyou, it's absolutely okay.
If you would just send me anemail and let me know, say,

(01:18:02):
please don't put my voice,because we can edit your voice
out.
If your face is appearing and Ican see your face, obviously,
don't worry, we are not puttinganybody's face in this video
except Ashley's and mine, sorest assured.
Any other questions aboutanything?
About the housekeeping, aboutour next webinars, about the

(01:18:23):
rules, anything.
If we can't answer it, we willfind somebody who can.
So we have a couple of Facebookgroups.
We have a group just forsupervisors called the Texas
Supervisor Coalition, and whenyou request to join, you'll have

(01:18:46):
to provide your license number,because our admins check to
make sure you're actually asupervisor.
The other Facebook group iscalled Texas Counselors Creating
Badass Businesses, and that'sopen to anybody at any stage of
their counseling or social workdream.
We just want you in, we wantyou asking questions.
Oh, and there's the link.
Thanks, ashley.

(01:19:16):
All right, I think we're headingto the end here.
So your CE tonight will be 1.5CEs for ethics, and I believe
we're counting this forsupervision as well, because
we've talked about supervision awhole bunch, and we would love
it if you guys would spread theword that the Social Work
40-Hour Training course will begoing live probably in the next

(01:19:38):
month or so.
Ashley and I are really excitedthat we can offer this to
social workers.
So thank you so much for yourendorsement and thanks for
coming out on a Wednesday nightand doing something amazing for
your career, and you guys knowthe rules now.
So spread the word, go, do goodthings, make sure everybody
else is minding their P's andQ's as well, and thank you, dr

(01:20:00):
Ashley, for being here.
I'm so excited to be partneringwith you.
I've said excited a lot.
I'm Dr Kate Walker.
This is a Kate Walker trainingproduction and you guys come
back for our next presenter, drPatrice Dunn, and she will be
here September 25th, free.
All right, bye, guys, have awonderful evening.