November 18, 2025 • 37 mins
What if one short phrase could make honesty safer and conflict more productive? We share a simple tool we use at home and at work—the “umbrella of protection”—to flag vulnerable moments, lower defenses, and protect each other from knee-jerk judgment while we speak in drafts, not decrees. It’s a small shift with big payoff: fewer landmines, more clarity, and a deeper sense that we’re on the same team.
We dig into emotional intelligence beyond buzzwords, showing how two different styles—processing out loud versus thinking silently—can coexist when trust sets the terms. You’ll hear how we use prompts like “Help me understand why this matters to you” and boundaries like “I may disagree later, but I need to say this now.” We revisit raw memories of financial strain, the shame that came with it, and the laughter that saved us from turning on each other. Those moments taught us that joy is a discipline and that vulnerability isn’t weakness; it’s courage with the door open.
We also bring this into the workplace with sudden curriculum changes that rattled a teaching team mid-year. The same umbrella applies: clear language, protective leadership, and space to process feelings before decisions. You’ll leave with practical ways to turn feelings into needs and next steps, plus a new script to keep hard talks from spiraling. If you’re ready to turn conflict into connection, this conversation offers tools you can try tonight—at the kitchen table or in your next meeting.
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SPEAKER_05 (00:00):
Hey guys, what's up?
I'm Greg.
I hope you guys are ready tounpack and get into some good
conversations today.
SPEAKER_00 (00:07):
And I'm Jess, and this is our podcast, Baggage
Claim.
Thank you for joining us.
SPEAKER_05 (00:17):
What's up, Baggage Claim?
How are you guys doing today?
Uh, thank you so much forlistening to us and joining in.
If you're new here, grab yourfavorite drink, pull up to the
table with us, and get ready forsome good conversations and
hopefully you get to experiencesome community along with us.
Baggage Claim is a place wherewe just welcome everybody to the
(00:38):
table.
Let's just have a conversation.
Let's talk about marriage.
Let's talk about relationshipsand blended families and not
blended traditional families, oreven if you're just single out
there and you're trying tofigure out how to make your
relationships better.
SPEAKER_06 (00:50):
Or just being a person in the world.
SPEAKER_05 (00:52):
Let's just uh enjoy time around the table and we're
just gonna do this.
So, whatever your favorite drinkis, grab it, take a deep breath.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01):
Pull up a chair.
SPEAKER_05 (01:02):
Yeah, pull up the chair proverbially, maybe.
SPEAKER_01 (01:04):
I'm just you can physically pull up your chair if
you're near it.
SPEAKER_05 (01:08):
If you're riding in the car, and just think about
sitting on the table with us anduh let's jump into some fun
conversations tonight.
My uh good old friend Wes and uhBrother Jack.
SPEAKER_01 (01:22):
Brother Jack.
SPEAKER_05 (01:23):
So anyway, let's jump into really quick because
I'm I am I'm really excitedabout this topic, but I want to
do question time.
SPEAKER_01 (01:31):
Question time.
SPEAKER_05 (01:33):
That's a professional singer.
We hired him to be in herestudio.
SPEAKER_01 (01:37):
I run, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_05 (01:38):
You you nailed it.
So I phenomenal.
And uh, if you didn't catch,we're continuing the
conversation on emotionalintelligence, and I posed a
question.
SPEAKER_00 (01:47):
So episode number two.
SPEAKER_05 (01:49):
Yes, if you didn't catch episode one, hit pause, go
back and hit lesson to one, jumpback into the actually that was
36, so this would be 37.
SPEAKER_01 (01:59):
OMG, we're almost in the 40s.
So what are we doing?
Question time.
So let's jump in the question.
SPEAKER_05 (02:06):
All right, so sorry, I got distracted there.
SPEAKER_01 (02:08):
I did too, I got excited.
SPEAKER_05 (02:09):
So um I proposed the question.
Where's the most interestingplace you put the first
question?
SPEAKER_01 (02:16):
No, no, no.
SPEAKER_05 (02:16):
When you go to the bathroom, this was when you
start to go to the bathroom, doyou make a nest?
SPEAKER_01 (02:20):
Absolutely, yes.
SPEAKER_05 (02:21):
100%.
SPEAKER_01 (02:22):
Every time.
SPEAKER_05 (02:22):
All the time.
You've never judged.
Did we define how you make thenest?
No, we're not getting into that.
You're going to the secondquestion.
SPEAKER_01 (02:29):
Okay, wait.
SPEAKER_05 (02:30):
I don't want to I don't want details.
Yes or no?
SPEAKER_01 (02:32):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (02:33):
Yes or no?
SPEAKER_01 (02:34):
Both.
SPEAKER_03 (02:35):
Both what?
What?
How is that a both?
SPEAKER_01 (02:37):
You either make a nest or you don't If you're in a
civilized place where there'stoilet paper and it's a sit-down
potty, you make a nest.
If it's like a Portageon grosspublic world situation and
there's not enough toilet paper,or you just don't even want to
(02:57):
get your bottom near anything, alot of the time now they have a
handle in the door for us sothat we can hold on and you can
hover, but you can hold on.
So no, I will not.
SPEAKER_05 (03:11):
First off, have you ever used a Portajohn?
SPEAKER_01 (03:13):
Yes.
SPEAKER_05 (03:14):
What a like a concert?
SPEAKER_01 (03:15):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (03:16):
Oh, okay.
That'd be about the onlycircumstance in which I would
use a Portageon.
SPEAKER_01 (03:20):
Yeah.
Okay.
Or maybe like a uh the you know,North Georgia, we have lots of
fall festivals situation.
There's porta parties there.
SPEAKER_05 (03:28):
All right.
Moving past that.
All right, it makes sense.
Most interesting place you'veever used.
Moving on, moving on.
Because we we only have fiveminutes and we can't get caught
in the details of your nest.
All right.
You described us how many nestslanes you put down.
SPEAKER_01 (03:42):
I didn't.
SPEAKER_05 (03:43):
I know, that's because I cut you off.
Most interesting place.
Give it to me.
SPEAKER_01 (03:49):
I don't have uh literally not an interesting no.
SPEAKER_04 (03:54):
Mine just I mean outside.
SPEAKER_01 (03:56):
I mean, yeah, like anything.
SPEAKER_04 (03:57):
Just outside camping.
SPEAKER_01 (03:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (03:59):
Out with no no no no like running water.
So I need the microphone.
I think uh our unnamedingMiranda.
Miranda is gonna go.
SPEAKER_01 (04:09):
I don't know.
I don't have a good title foryou yet.
SPEAKER_02 (04:11):
So it's weird.
I'm new to this.
It was monsooning outside.
I was with one of my bestfriends in high school.
And we were sorry, weren't youin college?
SPEAKER_01 (04:26):
Oh my close.
Miranda, weren't you in college?
SPEAKER_02 (04:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (04:30):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (04:30):
Yeah.
And we had a little too muchdrink.
And it was monsooning outside.
Okay, you said that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (04:38):
It's rainy gadget.
SPEAKER_02 (04:42):
And I had to pee.
There's no bathrooms in a barn.
Because you know.
SPEAKER_05 (04:46):
It's a barn.
SPEAKER_02 (04:47):
There's a window.
But there was a window.
So I opened it and I peed out awindow.
Okay.
Okay.
SPEAKER_05 (04:54):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_02 (04:55):
Mother of our granddaughter.
SPEAKER_05 (04:59):
I used to back in the day, way, way back in the
day, when I was a student pastoror next gen pastor, they call
them now.
Um, I used to travel and speak alot at like disciple now's or
weekend retreats or differentthings.
SPEAKER_01 (05:12):
Oh my gosh, I know what you're about to say.
SPEAKER_05 (05:14):
So I had this thing I used to really like to do, and
I haven't done it in a while,which is you know, it's kind of
sad.
You walk away from things youused to really love.
Wow.
Um, but I had this thing, Icalled it the get naked.
So I would get I'd completelydisrobe and use the restroom.
SPEAKER_01 (05:31):
But where was that restroom?
SPEAKER_05 (05:33):
But I would try to use the restroom in every uh
most of these pastors haveprivate bathrooms.
Yeah.
Um, because they don't likeusing the, I guess the pastors
above using the public bathroom.
And so I made it my goal was totry to every time I would go
speak, I would hit all thepastors' private bathrooms and I
would take the get naked ineverything.
SPEAKER_01 (05:56):
The people that were closest to you that would go
with you were called Take aPeck.
SPEAKER_05 (05:59):
Yeah, they called, they named, I called it Get
Naked and they called it Takinga Peck, is what they made it as.
Uh and we it became a thing withmy forgotten.
I'm so sad.
It's my leadership team withtheir they would call it taking
a peck, and they'd be like,What'd you take with that?
What'd you so that's justsomething I looked quite epic?
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Because it was it was to getinto the bathroom.
Oh no, for sure.
Those are like coveted places,yeah.
Like you barely could get intothe pastor's office to get into
the pastor's bathroom.
I still don't know why so manypastors have their own private
pastor.
It doesn't make sense.
SPEAKER_04 (06:35):
The first church I ever served that I had my own
private bathroom connected to myoffice, and I had to guard that
thing because people wouldalways try to get it.
SPEAKER_01 (06:42):
People would try to take a peck at it.
SPEAKER_05 (06:45):
People like you would try to take a peck in it.
I'm just guarding don't knock ittill you try to keep your socks
on, but that's it.
Socks and a smile, and you havea good time.
It's it's so freeing.
But anyway, well, that beingsaid, and jumping right into um
That's your father law.
Welcome to Baggage Claim, Iguess.
(07:07):
Welcome, y'all.
Welcome to we just want to bereal uh because we are real
people.
We are um in our we'd love tomeet you in real life in our
podcast studio just talkingabout marriage and
relationships, podcast studio,aka our home.
It's it's it's it's slightlydetected.
This is enough to call it astudio.
Yeah.
Come on, these vault works init.
(07:28):
We don't have these in our inour house.
SPEAKER_01 (07:30):
We don't.
SPEAKER_03 (07:31):
In the regular part of our house.
And it's only a studio once youput up acoustic treatment.
You put up acoustic treatment?
It's legit.
Bona five.
SPEAKER_01 (07:37):
Ooh, that sound.
I can't make that sound.
Why can boys make sounds girlscannot?
SPEAKER_05 (07:42):
Because we're doing the answer that on the Can you
make gun sounds?
SPEAKER_01 (07:48):
Go.
Do it.
Make gun sounds.
SPEAKER_05 (07:50):
Like pew pew.
SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
That's what we do.
Y'all can do like actual.
SPEAKER_05 (07:56):
It depends on what you want.
Like you would like a machine.
Yeah, no, are we talking about30 on the trifle, 9mm 200?
I know.
Tell me what's up.
Yeah, what are we talking?
Stig here?
Well, like what kind of brandname do you need?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:06):
See, we can't do that.
You can't do that.
No.
If I do, I'll look an idiot.
See, I'll do that.
SPEAKER_03 (08:12):
I think the 50 cal over there.
And she's talking about lookinglike an idiot.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Can you quit?
All right.
Anyway.
Let me uh I need a drink.
So talking about emotionalintelligence.
SPEAKER_04 (08:34):
Perfect.
SPEAKER_05 (08:36):
That is a great transition into emotional
intelligence.
So this is part two uh ofemotional intelligence.
And we talked about umbrellaprotection.
We're gonna talk about what doesthat mean, what does that look
like.
Um I mean, let's even definewhat that is.
SPEAKER_01 (08:50):
Can you sing a song about it?
Umbrella.
SPEAKER_05 (08:58):
Yeah, we have just so you guys know we have
professionals.
SPEAKER_01 (09:04):
We do.
SPEAKER_05 (09:05):
Are you gonna keep going?
SPEAKER_01 (09:07):
He's literally professional.
My career expired a long timeago.
SPEAKER_05 (09:12):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (09:18):
So we were talking about emotional intelligence,
and then You said I'm about totransition.
I'm working on it, and you'relike, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So stop talking, is what Gregsaid.
I'm gonna keep going.
And so you said sometimes inconversations, when we're
talking about where we areemotionally and we're not sure
(09:38):
how to label what we're feeling,you have said in the past, like,
I'm gonna I need an umbrella ofprotection because I'm just I
need to share where I'm at.
And then we can move forwardafter that.
SPEAKER_05 (09:52):
Yeah, usually, usually umbrella protection in
in my sense, the way that I'veused it or use it, and you can
use it any way you want, isbasically the idea of saying,
hey, I'm about to sharesomething that's very
vulnerable.
I'm not 100% sure I agree orbelieve the way I feel or think.
SPEAKER_01 (10:10):
I just gotta get it out.
SPEAKER_05 (10:11):
But this is what I want to say right now.
And so I'm I'm saying that inthe sense of I need some
protection in the in the idea oflike this is not my stamp.
I 100% agree with this, believethis.
This is my I'm gonna bevulnerable and say some things
that may be hard for us to tohear, process, or work through.
Did you what did you say?
SPEAKER_01 (10:32):
Sorry, I dropped my fidget toy.
I have to have a fidget in myhand the whole time we record
every single episode, and Idropped it.
So it's okay.
I will say though, when youstarted engaging your umbrella
of protection, that was actuallyvery helpful for me because it
helped me understand that whatyou were trying to share was not
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filtered or you weren't tryingto say it in a protecting my
feelings kind of way.
It was very much a I this is howI feel right now, and I haven't
fully processed it yet, but Igotta talk about it.
SPEAKER_05 (11:11):
Yeah, I I I process my emotions and feelings out
loud.
Like that's I I I like to talkthrough them.
SPEAKER_06 (11:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (11:20):
Like I want to do that out loud, and sometimes
it's I need to do it by myself.
SPEAKER_06 (11:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (11:24):
Um, but I do like to do that.
Not everybody does that.
And so sometimes it can be very,very dangerous.
Another word for saying umbrellaof protection would be
vulnerable.
SPEAKER_06 (11:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (11:35):
Like you're choosing to be vulnerable.
And I'm gonna choose to bevulnerable right now.
Yeah.
And I'm just asking you, pleasedon't throw stones, please don't
throw sticks at me right now.
Like on parlay.
Yes, as they would say in theparish.
SPEAKER_01 (11:53):
I want to watch those movies now.
So bad.
SPEAKER_05 (11:56):
You call it a parlay, call it an umbrella,
call it vulnerable, whatever youwant to call it.
SPEAKER_01 (12:01):
I will This is a hard step.
It is a hard step.
And I was just about to say, Iwill say that I appreciate this
part of the step of emotionalintelligence because I want to
process a lot of emotions in myown head.
And that's not healthy all ofthe time.
SPEAKER_05 (12:20):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (12:20):
Well, because I will believe myself.
SPEAKER_05 (12:25):
Yeah, it's true.
SPEAKER_01 (12:26):
Yeah.
I'm gonna say to myself what Ibelieve, and then I'm gonna tell
myself that I'm right.
And then I'm also gonna tellmyself all of the reasons why
I'm right.
SPEAKER_05 (12:38):
Isn't it interesting the way the brain will support
whatever crazy notion you have?
And sometimes they'reridiculous.
Yes, and well like aself-validation.
SPEAKER_01 (12:48):
Yes, and that's what the world wants us to believe we
are right, and these this is allthe reasons why I'm right, and I
want to feel this, and you haveto agree with me because this is
what I feel.
Rather than here's what I'mfeeling, and I want to express
that to you with my umbrella ofprotection, but also I want to
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hear your point of view, Greg,as to why maybe I might not be
right.
I don't have to like it that I'mnot right, but I want to know
why you feel like I'm here's theplaces where I might not, like
there's like a a void ofunderstanding, I guess.
Of okay, I and it's theacknowledgement part too,
(13:35):
because in that umbrella part,there's the acknowledgement,
like, okay, I I understand whatyou're I well, okay.
Understanding is a differentpart.
I hear what you're saying,right?
Let me use your phrase.
Help me understand why you feelthat way so that I can I can
kind of meet you in the middle.
SPEAKER_05 (13:53):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (13:54):
Meeting in the middle does not always mean
conceding.
unknown (13:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:59):
It means like, okay, I get it now where my fault is
and where I feel like you mighthave this or that.
It's it's the the meeting in themiddle part.
SPEAKER_05 (14:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:11):
Is what we're after.
SPEAKER_05 (14:13):
Yeah.
Cause we're talking about likewe're talking about feelings,
we're talking about emotions,talking about a lot of those,
and the it's a roller coasterride.
Like we all know that.
If you've been alive more thanfive minutes, you know that
that's a roller coaster ride.
Like there's ups, there's downs,there's crazy parts, uh, they're
all over the place.
And we're not saying thatfeelings are bad.
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And I'm not saying that the wayyou're feeling is like when you
may be upset, I'm not I'm nottrying to say, well, that's
stupid.
You shouldn't feel that way.
SPEAKER_01 (14:42):
Well, feelings are good regardless, because it's
not even like a bad necessarily.
It could even be literally justas simple as, why are you so
excited about what's fixing tohappen?
Or why are you so excited aboutthis plan?
Like, I don't understand that.
Like, help me understand whyyou're so excited about ABC.
(15:04):
I I want to be there with you.
But you should also, on the flipside, want to be like, help me
understand why that hurt you.
Because I wanna I want tounderstand that with you.
Yeah, it's it's both.
SPEAKER_05 (15:14):
Yeah, and sometimes you're vulnerable together.
SPEAKER_01 (15:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (15:17):
And that's I mean, I I uh myself, I think being
vulnerable is a huge, huge plusif you can be that way.
SPEAKER_06 (15:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (15:26):
The world tells us not really to be vulnerable
because there's this thing withvulnerability that comes hand in
hand with that, and that'strust.
Like if I'm being vulnerable toyou, I'm trusting you with some
pretty fragile things.
SPEAKER_01 (15:42):
What part of what part of being vulnerable though
do you think weakness plays inthat?
SPEAKER_05 (15:48):
What do you mean?
SPEAKER_01 (15:49):
Do you is there some kind of correlation of being
vulnerable means you're beingweak?
SPEAKER_05 (15:55):
Uh I think I think a lot of people think that.
SPEAKER_01 (15:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (15:58):
For me, I'm okay probably being more vulnerable
because two things.
SPEAKER_01 (16:03):
Yeah.
One, I'm Well, let me say I likehow you went straight to
vulnerable means I'm trustingyou.
When society might would tellus, or the world might tell us
that being vulnerable meansweak.
SPEAKER_05 (16:15):
But we're vulnerable on this podcast.
SPEAKER_01 (16:17):
We should be able to do that.
SPEAKER_05 (16:18):
For anybody to listen to.
SPEAKER_01 (16:19):
Yeah.
Like we've shared things on thispodcast that I mean some of our
friends and I mean, even some ofour distant family members have
not heard.
SPEAKER_05 (16:29):
No.
And I I've I've shared things onhere that are very, very deeply
personable, but and it's like,yeah, I'm being very vulnerable
because I think there's value inthat.
And I'm on I not saying I'm theleader, follow me, but I think
we can't expect other people tobe vulnerable if we're not going
to be vulnerable ourselves.
SPEAKER_06 (16:48):
No.
SPEAKER_05 (16:48):
And so for me, it's like, I'm I'm gonna show you,
like, I'm okay to say this.
SPEAKER_06 (16:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (16:52):
I'm okay to to to tell you where I'm at.
I'm okay to be here.
I'm okay to tell you when thingssuck and they're they're sucky.
I'm I'm okay with that.
SPEAKER_01 (17:02):
And I think just because things suck doesn't mean
I don't like you anymore.
SPEAKER_05 (17:06):
No.
But I think it's also too uh Ithink when you've when you're
vulnerable, when you can bevulnerable, you're kind of
comfortable in your own skin.
And it goes back to that.
SPEAKER_01 (17:17):
That's so hard to do.
SPEAKER_05 (17:18):
Yes, it goes back to that being in that silence where
we talked about just a coupleepisodes ago.
Ten minutes of silence canchange your your marriage and
your relationships.
Like be okay with yourself andwho you are and how you think
and how you operate.
And I am.
Uh it's messy, it's crappy, it'snot.
I say things I shouldn't saysometimes.
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My mouth moves way before mymind does sometimes.
And it, I mean, it puts me insome weird spots.
SPEAKER_01 (17:45):
But then on the other side, like you're what you
just said, but like my mouthmoves a lot slower than my brain
does.
And so there's that that wholeconnection in the middle that's
that's hard because and you andI are a lot alike in a lot of
ways, but we are very, verydifferent in some really blaring
(18:06):
ways.
SPEAKER_05 (18:07):
Well, I say things when I'm around other people and
I'm just get lost in the momentof relationship.
I'm a people guy, and I getcaught up, I get excited, and
I'll say stupid things, uh, notinappropriate things.
SPEAKER_01 (18:20):
No.
Um you just you just want to dothat.
SPEAKER_05 (18:22):
But when it comes to us in a relationship, I try to
be very, very intentional aboutwhat I say and what I do,
especially when I'm beingvulnerable.
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
It's just it's it's one of thosethings.
I think if you want, if youreally want to take your
relationship, like this is oneof those things.
(18:42):
I'm like, if you want to learnhow to take your relationship to
the next level, yeah.
Like truly go, I want to elevatethis and make it next level,
know your emotions and beextremely vulnerable with your
with your with your significantother.
SPEAKER_06 (18:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (18:57):
Like vulnerable.
Like it will open up windows foryou um with that person.
I I it's hard for me todescribe.
SPEAKER_01 (19:07):
It is.
It really is.
It is hard.
So um well in the previous umepisode, right before this, on
the part one, I talked about howit was really hard for me to get
to the point to be able to namethe emotion I was feeling, much
less what to do with it next.
Yeah, and that's part of I feellike the umbrella of protection
(19:32):
too.
I've never I don't use thatphrase, that's your phrase in
our relationship.
But it's still the same thing,even if I don't use that
specific phrase, because for meit's hard, like I just said, to
get to the place where I wantto, I can name it, because then
even another a whole anotherlevel of being vulnerable is
(19:55):
like, okay, now that I've namedit, what do I do with this?
Because it's like, and thenwhat?
SPEAKER_06 (20:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:01):
You know, it's like I'm feeling this, and whether it
be with you and I or in inanother situation with another
person, this is what I'mfeeling, and I don't know what
to do about it.
SPEAKER_05 (20:14):
Right.
And sometimes that's probablyone of the best things to say.
SPEAKER_01 (20:18):
Oh man, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (20:19):
Like it's okay to be that's the being vulnerable part
that's hard.
SPEAKER_01 (20:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (20:22):
Like, we're in the situation, and this is not
pretty for either of us, and I Idon't know how to fix it, and I
don't know how to make itbetter.
SPEAKER_01 (20:29):
And not pretty can even mean like for me and you,
if it's not pretty, it was like,okay, I I'm feeling like I
messed up.
And I didn't mean to mess up,and so now what?
Or on the flip side, it can belike in this outside of our
marriage, in this specific likeprofessional relationship, I
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feel like I'm right.
And that can be very vulnerablesaying, I feel like I'm right,
but then now what do I do withit?
I'm not gonna be a jerk about itor whatever the case may be.
It's kind of like, okay, what'sthe feeling I'm feeling?
Why is it important?
What does it mean to me in thiswhole thing?
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And then what?
SPEAKER_05 (21:17):
There are two I don't know if I should share
this because we're talking aboutvulnerability, but these are
very vulnerable moments for mein our in our marriage.
And I think I've shared thesehere.
I'm not sure if I have or not,but they're highly emotional for
me because they're veryvulnerable moments.
There's two times that are justman, they're just marked, they
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marked me.
Um one time was we were goingthrough a a really we had a we
had a rough patch financially.
Like it was tough for a while.
There's been two times, twotimes where it's just really,
really tough.
Um, one time you were reallysick, um, and you need to go to
the doctor, and we had no money.
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And I remember sitting in ourcloset, and man, I was wrecked.
Like, I was just emotionallyshot.
And I that was my vulnerability,just me.
Like sitting there, just I was Iwas sobbing, just crying,
because I'm like, what kind ofhusband am I, what kind of a
leader am I in our house that Ican't even provide for my wife
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when she's sick?
I can't even take her to thedoctor.
Um, and that was horrible.
The second time was when thatvulnerability was with you, and
our bank account was done.
And we had a bunch of littlekids at home, and we it's back.
This is tells you how dated itwas.
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We wrote a bad check.
Yeah, we knew this check wasbad, and this is before they
could check it and tell you ifthere was money in there.
But we wrote a check that wasbad so we could buy groceries
for our kids, uh, so we couldeat that week.
And I remember I remember thatmoment sitting in the car with
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you.
It's it's one of those momentsthat marks you.
SPEAKER_06 (23:14):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (23:14):
But you're also like I'm not saying go write bad
checks.
No, we're not saying that.
But at the same moment, Iremember sitting in that car and
something happened between usthat day that changed us.
SPEAKER_01 (23:29):
Well, because now when we talk about the the bad
check memory, if we tell thatstory typically, not today, it's
not always a an emotional pointbecause in the car.
SPEAKER_05 (23:44):
Well, we at a point where we just do it and we're
just like, what do we just do?
SPEAKER_01 (23:50):
We have four little people to feed.
They have no idea that there'snot enough money in the bank to
cover this check.
But what they do know is when wecome home and they get to help
us unload groceries because CaliGirl was old enough for the rest
of them to stay at home withher.
When we get home with this carfull of groceries, they're like,
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we're having our favorite thingsto eat this week.
And they got us so-and-so forlunch and blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah.
They had no idea.
So it was such a it was such a aparadigm.
I don't know if that's the word.
It was like a, for us, it waslike like rip our heart out.
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This is where we're at.
But on the flip side, they hadno idea.
SPEAKER_05 (24:36):
But that could have took when I talk about being an
umbrella protection andvulnerability.
SPEAKER_01 (24:40):
100%.
SPEAKER_05 (24:40):
It's literally one of those things, like you could
have looked at me and been like,How dare you?
You're not the man you shouldbe.
You should be providing for ourfamily, you should be doing
this, this, this, and this.
I could have said the same thingto you.
Why aren't we buying this?
Why are we buying that?
We don't need that.
But we just sat in the car andwe just kind of had a moment
where we we kind of cried and wewere kind of upset, and then we
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just looked at each other and wejust started laughing.
We're just like, you know what?
Here we are.
If we can't be happy when wehave nothing in the bank, we're
never gonna be happy with moneyin the bank.
And so we made that decisionchanged the way we looked at a
lot of things.
I'm not saying be broke.
I mean, hear me, look past thosethings.
SPEAKER_01 (25:21):
It's not about money, and that's what we
learned really, really early onin our marriage is if we, like
you just said, if we can't behappy with little, we're not
gonna be happy with more.
But the times where we've hadlittle, we can look back on
those times because and with joybecause it wasn't about the
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little versus more.
It was like, nope, we're lookingat the things that are
important.
SPEAKER_05 (25:51):
But that was the uh the idea of knowing those
emotions, man, trying to sortthrough all those, work through
all those.
And we did.
Mm-hmm.
unknown (25:59):
We did.
SPEAKER_05 (25:59):
And we made the money that week and we covered
the check, and we I went out andhustled and found some side
gigs.
SPEAKER_01 (26:05):
You always do.
SPEAKER_05 (26:06):
And we we made the money and we covered it.
At the time we didn't, yeah.
Um, it's just like opportunitieshappened.
Yeah, it's just likeeverything's fine.
But the idea is that in thosethings, we started learning
really, really early.
SPEAKER_01 (26:22):
What matters.
SPEAKER_05 (26:23):
Yeah, this is an emotional roller coaster.
This is but we never threw rocksat each other.
Like we were never gonna be meaneach other.
I never called you names, andyou never called me names, which
was man, because I'm tellingyou, as a husband, you don't
talk about feeling like afailure.
Right.
That's it.
When you can't feed your kids oryou can't take your wife to the
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doctor when she's sick becauseyou're broke, you're just like,
what am I doing?
Like, and bless your heart.
SPEAKER_01 (26:50):
I get sick a lot because of my job.
Well, you do it.
SPEAKER_05 (26:53):
Working with little germy kids.
So, but we're we're not therenow.
We're in a different place.
But I'm just saying that's partof our journey, but that's the
umbrella sometimes that we youyou hold and you say, hey, this
is a very hard moment for me toshare.
This is a very hard thing for meto to to open up and say, but I
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want I want you to hear it.
SPEAKER_06 (27:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (27:16):
And I want you to know it because I know if I
share that with you, it takes usto a different place.
Um, and so there's a there's alady, um, she did a TED talk,
and it's about vulnerability.
If you get a chance, go check itout.
SPEAKER_01 (27:29):
She's a she's an author too.
She has some really good books.
SPEAKER_05 (27:32):
Yeah, and I'm not saying I a hundred percent agree
with everything she says.
This is a really cool talk, it'sa really thought-provoking, it's
about vulnerability.
Her name's Brene Brown.
I think I got that correct.
You did.
And so um, she did a tech talkthat was on vulnerability that
was just really phenomenal andit's worth a listen.
Uh, it's had about 30 milliondownloads or listens.
(27:53):
So, I mean, it's it's beenaround.
Uh so check it out if youhaven't.
It's one of those really coolthings to listen to.
Um, but it's just value there'ssuch value in that.
SPEAKER_01 (28:06):
But what tell me tell me a little bit about what
she talked about.
SPEAKER_05 (28:10):
Well, I mean, it's uh there's a lot to it.
I mean, I heard some of her talktoo when she was on.
I'm a huge fan of uh anotherpodcast called The Diary of a
CEO.
Um God, I love this podcast.
But he was she was just recentlyon there, super cool.
Um, which led me to I didn't getall the way through her pod uh
(28:31):
her TED talk uh because it'sbeen busy the last few days.
Um so go check it out, listen toit.
She's on if you want to, I mean,here I am pushing another
podcast off my podcast.
But Diary of the CEO, she's onthere.
SPEAKER_01 (28:43):
What was it that you wanted to share about what Brene
said?
SPEAKER_05 (28:46):
I'm just saying vulnerability is a huge part of
of of growing and and it's ahealthy part of who we are.
SPEAKER_06 (28:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (28:53):
That we don't talk about.
Um if you want to be a a reallyhealthy version of yourself in
your relationships, bevulnerable.
Um it's hard.
SPEAKER_01 (29:03):
But it is hard.
SPEAKER_05 (29:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (29:06):
I mean, I can and I know we I referenced this
before, but I can say justbecause of your life experience
before we got not just life, butprofessional experience before
we got married.
Um I've I've experienced a lotof growth with obviously
(29:26):
emotions and processing and whyI feel the way I do in certain
situations, or even likeprocessing like my past grief
and things like that.
Um helps me even now be able touh I mean, I'm a team lead for
(29:48):
my grade level currently, andwe've experienced some change
and some curriculum choices umwith our leadership, and it's
been quite a uh It was asurprise because we're a third
of the way through the schoolyear.
And so it was like a whoa, we'rechanging years real fast.
(30:09):
And so it's been like a uh it, Imean, it changes the first part
of our whole um teaching part ofour day.
And so for a teacher, if you'renot a teacher listening to us,
when you change how we dothings, it's hard because
teachers, nine times out of ten,we want to be in control in uh
(30:32):
the what we're actually teachingour children in our classroom.
And so when you change that,it's like, oh wait, I thought I
I I knew what I was doing.
And then when you change it realfast, it's like you sweep our
feet out from under us.
And so then um with our currentchange that we're going through
(30:53):
now.
I have a point, I promise.
So where are we going?
I'm going.
SPEAKER_06 (30:56):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (30:57):
So as I've been talking about the change with my
team, um I've tried to deliverthat with um a confidence and an
encouragement.
And so it's almost like I've gotI'm trying to protect them with
an umbrella that is my own.
(31:19):
And my my my teammates are like,well, because of the way you're
talking to me about it, makes mefeel more confident.
And so it's kind of like areverse umbrella protection, if
that makes any sense.
But it's almost like a as you'retalking to your spouse or who
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you're in a relationship with,and you're identifying with how
you're feeling and thinkingabout how they are feeling.
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Value how each other is feeling.
Whether it be professional orpersonal, because feelings are
real.
Um that's where I'm at right nowin my heart.
SPEAKER_04 (32:22):
Can I can I interject with that?
Yeah, I'm not sure.
I'm hearing very much whatyou're saying.
Thank you.
And a lot of things in in myexperience when you become
vulnerable.
First off, it's scary.
SPEAKER_01 (32:36):
It is scary.
SPEAKER_04 (32:37):
It's it is scary because you're opening a part of
yourself that most nobody, ifnot everyone, does not know
about you.
Right.
Right.
You don't want them to knowsomething about it.
You don't, yeah, exactly.
Well, it reveals your ownweaknesses.
Yeah.
Yep.
And I mean, and and I know thisis it it's a silly connection,
but you think of parlay, right?
(32:57):
You've got like these two enemyforces that are coming together.
You're gonna have to show yourweaknesses.
You know, you gotta put downyour guns, you gotta put down
your ammunition so that you cancome together and talk and and
collaborate towards an endresult.
SPEAKER_01 (33:14):
Well, as I was speaking just then, and I know
there was like awkward silencesand pauses, like I was being
very vulnerable just then, andmy own self and my brain was
like, stop talking, stop, stop,stop.
And I knew I had a point I wastrying to make.
And I'm so grateful for you,Michael, and you, Greg, to pick
(33:34):
up on that because we do that toour own selves in real life.
And I'm not ashamed to say that.
Like, that's where I was in myown brain hearing my own selves
saying, stop.
I'm no, stop.
SPEAKER_04 (33:50):
Well, and it's it can be easy.
And I think this is why thewhole umbrella of protection is
such an important thing.
One, to be able to communicateuniversally amongst you and
whoever you're talking with,whether it be a spouse or a
working relationship.
SPEAKER_06 (34:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (34:05):
Is to say, hey, maybe give me some grace in this
moment.
SPEAKER_06 (34:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (34:09):
Maybe not not throw the stones at me right now while
I'm wrestling this hard thing.
Yeah.
And even what Greg, you weresaying before, like, hey, I may
finalize these thoughts and intwo hours completely disagree
with what I'm about to say rightnow.
But I've got to work throughthis.
So I think this whole concept ofan umbrella of protection, I
think it goes both ways.
(34:30):
You know, if you have a spousethat comes to you and says, Hey,
can you grant me an umbrella ofprotection for a moment?
I think if that were said to me,I should be overly intentional
to not judge, to not throwthings back in their face, to
not take these vulnerablemoments and use it against them
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in their moments of weakness.
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (34:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (34:57):
It's not something to take and log away and go, I'm
gonna bring this up.
Absolutely.
It's not a weapon.
The purpose of being vulnerablein these ways is to acknowledge
where we are, to see it, andthen grow in that.
Yep.
And if we use ammunition and wefire shots at them one in that
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vulnerable moment, I think thathurt goes so much deeper than so
many other circumstances of painand hurt that we can cause in
relationships.
But then also when you supportthat and you encourage that
moment of protection and youencourage that moment of
vulnerability, you can usuallyhelp speak life into moments.
(35:39):
You can speak confidence intomoments, you can speak freedom
of thoughts, mental issues thatpeople work through all the time
in those moments.
So, yeah, one, it's not just ahey, maybe I need to be extended
umbrella of protection, but alsoit's a, hey, when someone
requests that of me, the wordsthat I say can either be fuel to
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a fire that can go in so manydifferent ways, or it can also
be water to a fire to help putout and give peace, to give life
in those ways.
So I see very much in a lot ofwhat you're saying there.
SPEAKER_01 (36:16):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_04 (36:17):
There's a massive amount of trust going back to
what Greg said, involved in thisboth ways.
SPEAKER_05 (36:24):
And that's the huge thing.
It's like if you pull all thisdown, it comes down to the idea
of trust.
Like and that's that's one ofthose things you just have to
work and build.
So, man, lots of stuff, lots ofthings we we got into, more
stuff we would want to get into.
I know this is one of thosetopics we could just dig and dig
(36:48):
and dig and dig and talk aboutfor hours and hours and hours,
and maybe we will at some point.
Um we'll we'll hit back on thisand dig into some more things.
Um, because there's somepractical things I wanted us to
talk about that we didn't getto.
And um, we'll just strapped fortime.
SPEAKER_04 (37:04):
Maybe we'll throw a part three out there sometime.
SPEAKER_05 (37:06):
Yeah, at some point, we'll throw a part three out
there.
So thank you guys so much forlistening.
If you're still here, thank you.
Make sure to uh if you want togo up, uh, subscribe so that you
get when we drop new podcasts.
We try to do them every Tuesdaymorning.
Uh, so you get those new onesevery Tuesday morning.
Uh follow us on all our socials,interact with us, let us know
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what you think.
Um, we'd love to hear from you.
Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you guys for joining usand uh have a good day.
SPEAKER_01 (37:33):
Thank go dogs.
SPEAKER_05 (37:35):
Go dogs.
Hey guys, what's up?
I'm Greg.
I hope you guys are ready tounpack and get into some good
conversations today.
SPEAKER_00 (00:07):
And I'm Jess, and this is our podcast, Baggage
Claim.
Thank you for joining us.
SPEAKER_05 (00:17):
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How are you guys doing today?
Uh, thank you so much forlistening to us and joining in.
If you're new here, grab yourfavorite drink, pull up to the
table with us, and get ready forsome good conversations and
hopefully you get to experiencesome community along with us.
Baggage Claim is a place wherewe just welcome everybody to the
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table.
Let's just have a conversation.
Let's talk about marriage.
Let's talk about relationshipsand blended families and not
blended traditional families, oreven if you're just single out
there and you're trying tofigure out how to make your
relationships better.
SPEAKER_06 (00:50):
Or just being a person in the world.
SPEAKER_05 (00:52):
Let's just uh enjoy time around the table and we're
just gonna do this.
So, whatever your favorite drinkis, grab it, take a deep breath.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01):
Pull up a chair.
SPEAKER_05 (01:02):
Yeah, pull up the chair proverbially, maybe.
SPEAKER_01 (01:04):
I'm just you can physically pull up your chair if
you're near it.
SPEAKER_05 (01:08):
If you're riding in the car, and just think about
sitting on the table with us anduh let's jump into some fun
conversations tonight.
My uh good old friend Wes and uhBrother Jack.
SPEAKER_01 (01:22):
Brother Jack.
SPEAKER_05 (01:23):
So anyway, let's jump into really quick because
I'm I am I'm really excitedabout this topic, but I want to
do question time.
SPEAKER_01 (01:31):
Question time.
SPEAKER_05 (01:33):
That's a professional singer.
We hired him to be in herestudio.
SPEAKER_01 (01:37):
I run, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_05 (01:38):
You you nailed it.
So I phenomenal.
And uh, if you didn't catch,we're continuing the
conversation on emotionalintelligence, and I posed a
question.
SPEAKER_00 (01:47):
So episode number two.
SPEAKER_05 (01:49):
Yes, if you didn't catch episode one, hit pause, go
back and hit lesson to one, jumpback into the actually that was
36, so this would be 37.
SPEAKER_01 (01:59):
OMG, we're almost in the 40s.
So what are we doing?
Question time.
So let's jump in the question.
SPEAKER_05 (02:06):
All right, so sorry, I got distracted there.
SPEAKER_01 (02:08):
I did too, I got excited.
SPEAKER_05 (02:09):
So um I proposed the question.
Where's the most interestingplace you put the first
question?
SPEAKER_01 (02:16):
No, no, no.
SPEAKER_05 (02:16):
When you go to the bathroom, this was when you
start to go to the bathroom, doyou make a nest?
SPEAKER_01 (02:20):
Absolutely, yes.
SPEAKER_05 (02:21):
100%.
SPEAKER_01 (02:22):
Every time.
SPEAKER_05 (02:22):
All the time.
You've never judged.
Did we define how you make thenest?
No, we're not getting into that.
You're going to the secondquestion.
SPEAKER_01 (02:29):
Okay, wait.
SPEAKER_05 (02:30):
I don't want to I don't want details.
Yes or no?
SPEAKER_01 (02:32):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (02:33):
Yes or no?
SPEAKER_01 (02:34):
Both.
SPEAKER_03 (02:35):
Both what?
What?
How is that a both?
SPEAKER_01 (02:37):
You either make a nest or you don't If you're in a
civilized place where there'stoilet paper and it's a sit-down
potty, you make a nest.
If it's like a Portageon grosspublic world situation and
there's not enough toilet paper,or you just don't even want to
(02:57):
get your bottom near anything, alot of the time now they have a
handle in the door for us sothat we can hold on and you can
hover, but you can hold on.
So no, I will not.
SPEAKER_05 (03:11):
First off, have you ever used a Portajohn?
SPEAKER_01 (03:13):
Yes.
SPEAKER_05 (03:14):
What a like a concert?
SPEAKER_01 (03:15):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (03:16):
Oh, okay.
That'd be about the onlycircumstance in which I would
use a Portageon.
SPEAKER_01 (03:20):
Yeah.
Okay.
Or maybe like a uh the you know,North Georgia, we have lots of
fall festivals situation.
There's porta parties there.
SPEAKER_05 (03:28):
All right.
Moving past that.
All right, it makes sense.
Most interesting place you'veever used.
Moving on, moving on.
Because we we only have fiveminutes and we can't get caught
in the details of your nest.
All right.
You described us how many nestslanes you put down.
SPEAKER_01 (03:42):
I didn't.
SPEAKER_05 (03:43):
I know, that's because I cut you off.
Most interesting place.
Give it to me.
SPEAKER_01 (03:49):
I don't have uh literally not an interesting no.
SPEAKER_04 (03:54):
Mine just I mean outside.
SPEAKER_01 (03:56):
I mean, yeah, like anything.
SPEAKER_04 (03:57):
Just outside camping.
SPEAKER_01 (03:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (03:59):
Out with no no no no like running water.
So I need the microphone.
I think uh our unnamedingMiranda.
Miranda is gonna go.
SPEAKER_01 (04:09):
I don't know.
I don't have a good title foryou yet.
SPEAKER_02 (04:11):
So it's weird.
I'm new to this.
It was monsooning outside.
I was with one of my bestfriends in high school.
And we were sorry, weren't youin college?
SPEAKER_01 (04:26):
Oh my close.
Miranda, weren't you in college?
SPEAKER_02 (04:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (04:30):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (04:30):
Yeah.
And we had a little too muchdrink.
And it was monsooning outside.
Okay, you said that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (04:38):
It's rainy gadget.
SPEAKER_02 (04:42):
And I had to pee.
There's no bathrooms in a barn.
Because you know.
SPEAKER_05 (04:46):
It's a barn.
SPEAKER_02 (04:47):
There's a window.
But there was a window.
So I opened it and I peed out awindow.
Okay.
Okay.
SPEAKER_05 (04:54):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_02 (04:55):
Mother of our granddaughter.
SPEAKER_05 (04:59):
I used to back in the day, way, way back in the
day, when I was a student pastoror next gen pastor, they call
them now.
Um, I used to travel and speak alot at like disciple now's or
weekend retreats or differentthings.
SPEAKER_01 (05:12):
Oh my gosh, I know what you're about to say.
SPEAKER_05 (05:14):
So I had this thing I used to really like to do, and
I haven't done it in a while,which is you know, it's kind of
sad.
You walk away from things youused to really love.
Wow.
Um, but I had this thing, Icalled it the get naked.
So I would get I'd completelydisrobe and use the restroom.
SPEAKER_01 (05:31):
But where was that restroom?
SPEAKER_05 (05:33):
But I would try to use the restroom in every uh
most of these pastors haveprivate bathrooms.
Yeah.
Um, because they don't likeusing the, I guess the pastors
above using the public bathroom.
And so I made it my goal was totry to every time I would go
speak, I would hit all thepastors' private bathrooms and I
would take the get naked ineverything.
SPEAKER_01 (05:56):
The people that were closest to you that would go
with you were called Take aPeck.
SPEAKER_05 (05:59):
Yeah, they called, they named, I called it Get
Naked and they called it Takinga Peck, is what they made it as.
Uh and we it became a thing withmy forgotten.
I'm so sad.
It's my leadership team withtheir they would call it taking
a peck, and they'd be like,What'd you take with that?
What'd you so that's justsomething I looked quite epic?
(06:20):
Because it was it was to getinto the bathroom.
Oh no, for sure.
Those are like coveted places,yeah.
Like you barely could get intothe pastor's office to get into
the pastor's bathroom.
I still don't know why so manypastors have their own private
pastor.
It doesn't make sense.
SPEAKER_04 (06:35):
The first church I ever served that I had my own
private bathroom connected to myoffice, and I had to guard that
thing because people wouldalways try to get it.
SPEAKER_01 (06:42):
People would try to take a peck at it.
SPEAKER_05 (06:45):
People like you would try to take a peck in it.
I'm just guarding don't knock ittill you try to keep your socks
on, but that's it.
Socks and a smile, and you havea good time.
It's it's so freeing.
But anyway, well, that beingsaid, and jumping right into um
That's your father law.
Welcome to Baggage Claim, Iguess.
(07:07):
Welcome, y'all.
Welcome to we just want to bereal uh because we are real
people.
We are um in our we'd love tomeet you in real life in our
podcast studio just talkingabout marriage and
relationships, podcast studio,aka our home.
It's it's it's it's slightlydetected.
This is enough to call it astudio.
Yeah.
Come on, these vault works init.
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We don't have these in our inour house.
SPEAKER_01 (07:30):
We don't.
SPEAKER_03 (07:31):
In the regular part of our house.
And it's only a studio once youput up acoustic treatment.
You put up acoustic treatment?
It's legit.
Bona five.
SPEAKER_01 (07:37):
Ooh, that sound.
I can't make that sound.
Why can boys make sounds girlscannot?
SPEAKER_05 (07:42):
Because we're doing the answer that on the Can you
make gun sounds?
SPEAKER_01 (07:48):
Go.
Do it.
Make gun sounds.
SPEAKER_05 (07:50):
Like pew pew.
SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
That's what we do.
Y'all can do like actual.
SPEAKER_05 (07:56):
It depends on what you want.
Like you would like a machine.
Yeah, no, are we talking about30 on the trifle, 9mm 200?
I know.
Tell me what's up.
Yeah, what are we talking?
Stig here?
Well, like what kind of brandname do you need?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:06):
See, we can't do that.
You can't do that.
No.
If I do, I'll look an idiot.
See, I'll do that.
SPEAKER_03 (08:12):
I think the 50 cal over there.
And she's talking about lookinglike an idiot.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Can you quit?
All right.
Anyway.
Let me uh I need a drink.
So talking about emotionalintelligence.
SPEAKER_04 (08:34):
Perfect.
SPEAKER_05 (08:36):
That is a great transition into emotional
intelligence.
So this is part two uh ofemotional intelligence.
And we talked about umbrellaprotection.
We're gonna talk about what doesthat mean, what does that look
like.
Um I mean, let's even definewhat that is.
SPEAKER_01 (08:50):
Can you sing a song about it?
Umbrella.
SPEAKER_05 (08:58):
Yeah, we have just so you guys know we have
professionals.
SPEAKER_01 (09:04):
We do.
SPEAKER_05 (09:05):
Are you gonna keep going?
SPEAKER_01 (09:07):
He's literally professional.
My career expired a long timeago.
SPEAKER_05 (09:12):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (09:18):
So we were talking about emotional intelligence,
and then You said I'm about totransition.
I'm working on it, and you'relike, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So stop talking, is what Gregsaid.
I'm gonna keep going.
And so you said sometimes inconversations, when we're
talking about where we areemotionally and we're not sure
(09:38):
how to label what we're feeling,you have said in the past, like,
I'm gonna I need an umbrella ofprotection because I'm just I
need to share where I'm at.
And then we can move forwardafter that.
SPEAKER_05 (09:52):
Yeah, usually, usually umbrella protection in
in my sense, the way that I'veused it or use it, and you can
use it any way you want, isbasically the idea of saying,
hey, I'm about to sharesomething that's very
vulnerable.
I'm not 100% sure I agree orbelieve the way I feel or think.
SPEAKER_01 (10:10):
I just gotta get it out.
SPEAKER_05 (10:11):
But this is what I want to say right now.
And so I'm I'm saying that inthe sense of I need some
protection in the in the idea oflike this is not my stamp.
I 100% agree with this, believethis.
This is my I'm gonna bevulnerable and say some things
that may be hard for us to tohear, process, or work through.
Did you what did you say?
SPEAKER_01 (10:32):
Sorry, I dropped my fidget toy.
I have to have a fidget in myhand the whole time we record
every single episode, and Idropped it.
So it's okay.
I will say though, when youstarted engaging your umbrella
of protection, that was actuallyvery helpful for me because it
helped me understand that whatyou were trying to share was not
(10:56):
filtered or you weren't tryingto say it in a protecting my
feelings kind of way.
It was very much a I this is howI feel right now, and I haven't
fully processed it yet, but Igotta talk about it.
SPEAKER_05 (11:11):
Yeah, I I I process my emotions and feelings out
loud.
Like that's I I I like to talkthrough them.
SPEAKER_06 (11:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (11:20):
Like I want to do that out loud, and sometimes
it's I need to do it by myself.
SPEAKER_06 (11:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (11:24):
Um, but I do like to do that.
Not everybody does that.
And so sometimes it can be very,very dangerous.
Another word for saying umbrellaof protection would be
vulnerable.
SPEAKER_06 (11:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (11:35):
Like you're choosing to be vulnerable.
And I'm gonna choose to bevulnerable right now.
Yeah.
And I'm just asking you, pleasedon't throw stones, please don't
throw sticks at me right now.
Like on parlay.
Yes, as they would say in theparish.
SPEAKER_01 (11:53):
I want to watch those movies now.
So bad.
SPEAKER_05 (11:56):
You call it a parlay, call it an umbrella,
call it vulnerable, whatever youwant to call it.
SPEAKER_01 (12:01):
I will This is a hard step.
It is a hard step.
And I was just about to say, Iwill say that I appreciate this
part of the step of emotionalintelligence because I want to
process a lot of emotions in myown head.
And that's not healthy all ofthe time.
SPEAKER_05 (12:20):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (12:20):
Well, because I will believe myself.
SPEAKER_05 (12:25):
Yeah, it's true.
SPEAKER_01 (12:26):
Yeah.
I'm gonna say to myself what Ibelieve, and then I'm gonna tell
myself that I'm right.
And then I'm also gonna tellmyself all of the reasons why
I'm right.
SPEAKER_05 (12:38):
Isn't it interesting the way the brain will support
whatever crazy notion you have?
And sometimes they'reridiculous.
Yes, and well like aself-validation.
SPEAKER_01 (12:48):
Yes, and that's what the world wants us to believe we
are right, and these this is allthe reasons why I'm right, and I
want to feel this, and you haveto agree with me because this is
what I feel.
Rather than here's what I'mfeeling, and I want to express
that to you with my umbrella ofprotection, but also I want to
(13:10):
hear your point of view, Greg,as to why maybe I might not be
right.
I don't have to like it that I'mnot right, but I want to know
why you feel like I'm here's theplaces where I might not, like
there's like a a void ofunderstanding, I guess.
Of okay, I and it's theacknowledgement part too,
(13:35):
because in that umbrella part,there's the acknowledgement,
like, okay, I I understand whatyou're I well, okay.
Understanding is a differentpart.
I hear what you're saying,right?
Let me use your phrase.
Help me understand why you feelthat way so that I can I can
kind of meet you in the middle.
SPEAKER_05 (13:53):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (13:54):
Meeting in the middle does not always mean
conceding.
unknown (13:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:59):
It means like, okay, I get it now where my fault is
and where I feel like you mighthave this or that.
It's it's the the meeting in themiddle part.
SPEAKER_05 (14:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:11):
Is what we're after.
SPEAKER_05 (14:13):
Yeah.
Cause we're talking about likewe're talking about feelings,
we're talking about emotions,talking about a lot of those,
and the it's a roller coasterride.
Like we all know that.
If you've been alive more thanfive minutes, you know that
that's a roller coaster ride.
Like there's ups, there's downs,there's crazy parts, uh, they're
all over the place.
And we're not saying thatfeelings are bad.
(14:34):
And I'm not saying that the wayyou're feeling is like when you
may be upset, I'm not I'm nottrying to say, well, that's
stupid.
You shouldn't feel that way.
SPEAKER_01 (14:42):
Well, feelings are good regardless, because it's
not even like a bad necessarily.
It could even be literally justas simple as, why are you so
excited about what's fixing tohappen?
Or why are you so excited aboutthis plan?
Like, I don't understand that.
Like, help me understand whyyou're so excited about ABC.
(15:04):
I I want to be there with you.
But you should also, on the flipside, want to be like, help me
understand why that hurt you.
Because I wanna I want tounderstand that with you.
Yeah, it's it's both.
SPEAKER_05 (15:14):
Yeah, and sometimes you're vulnerable together.
SPEAKER_01 (15:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (15:17):
And that's I mean, I I uh myself, I think being
vulnerable is a huge, huge plusif you can be that way.
SPEAKER_06 (15:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (15:26):
The world tells us not really to be vulnerable
because there's this thing withvulnerability that comes hand in
hand with that, and that'strust.
Like if I'm being vulnerable toyou, I'm trusting you with some
pretty fragile things.
SPEAKER_01 (15:42):
What part of what part of being vulnerable though
do you think weakness plays inthat?
SPEAKER_05 (15:48):
What do you mean?
SPEAKER_01 (15:49):
Do you is there some kind of correlation of being
vulnerable means you're beingweak?
SPEAKER_05 (15:55):
Uh I think I think a lot of people think that.
SPEAKER_01 (15:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (15:58):
For me, I'm okay probably being more vulnerable
because two things.
SPEAKER_01 (16:03):
Yeah.
One, I'm Well, let me say I likehow you went straight to
vulnerable means I'm trustingyou.
When society might would tellus, or the world might tell us
that being vulnerable meansweak.
SPEAKER_05 (16:15):
But we're vulnerable on this podcast.
SPEAKER_01 (16:17):
We should be able to do that.
SPEAKER_05 (16:18):
For anybody to listen to.
SPEAKER_01 (16:19):
Yeah.
Like we've shared things on thispodcast that I mean some of our
friends and I mean, even some ofour distant family members have
not heard.
SPEAKER_05 (16:29):
No.
And I I've I've shared things onhere that are very, very deeply
personable, but and it's like,yeah, I'm being very vulnerable
because I think there's value inthat.
And I'm on I not saying I'm theleader, follow me, but I think
we can't expect other people tobe vulnerable if we're not going
to be vulnerable ourselves.
SPEAKER_06 (16:48):
No.
SPEAKER_05 (16:48):
And so for me, it's like, I'm I'm gonna show you,
like, I'm okay to say this.
SPEAKER_06 (16:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (16:52):
I'm okay to to to tell you where I'm at.
I'm okay to be here.
I'm okay to tell you when thingssuck and they're they're sucky.
I'm I'm okay with that.
SPEAKER_01 (17:02):
And I think just because things suck doesn't mean
I don't like you anymore.
SPEAKER_05 (17:06):
No.
But I think it's also too uh Ithink when you've when you're
vulnerable, when you can bevulnerable, you're kind of
comfortable in your own skin.
And it goes back to that.
SPEAKER_01 (17:17):
That's so hard to do.
SPEAKER_05 (17:18):
Yes, it goes back to that being in that silence where
we talked about just a coupleepisodes ago.
Ten minutes of silence canchange your your marriage and
your relationships.
Like be okay with yourself andwho you are and how you think
and how you operate.
And I am.
Uh it's messy, it's crappy, it'snot.
I say things I shouldn't saysometimes.
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My mouth moves way before mymind does sometimes.
And it, I mean, it puts me insome weird spots.
SPEAKER_01 (17:45):
But then on the other side, like you're what you
just said, but like my mouthmoves a lot slower than my brain
does.
And so there's that that wholeconnection in the middle that's
that's hard because and you andI are a lot alike in a lot of
ways, but we are very, verydifferent in some really blaring
(18:06):
ways.
SPEAKER_05 (18:07):
Well, I say things when I'm around other people and
I'm just get lost in the momentof relationship.
I'm a people guy, and I getcaught up, I get excited, and
I'll say stupid things, uh, notinappropriate things.
SPEAKER_01 (18:20):
No.
Um you just you just want to dothat.
SPEAKER_05 (18:22):
But when it comes to us in a relationship, I try to
be very, very intentional aboutwhat I say and what I do,
especially when I'm beingvulnerable.
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
It's just it's it's one of thosethings.
I think if you want, if youreally want to take your
relationship, like this is oneof those things.
(18:42):
I'm like, if you want to learnhow to take your relationship to
the next level, yeah.
Like truly go, I want to elevatethis and make it next level,
know your emotions and beextremely vulnerable with your
with your with your significantother.
SPEAKER_06 (18:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (18:57):
Like vulnerable.
Like it will open up windows foryou um with that person.
I I it's hard for me todescribe.
SPEAKER_01 (19:07):
It is.
It really is.
It is hard.
So um well in the previous umepisode, right before this, on
the part one, I talked about howit was really hard for me to get
to the point to be able to namethe emotion I was feeling, much
less what to do with it next.
Yeah, and that's part of I feellike the umbrella of protection
(19:32):
too.
I've never I don't use thatphrase, that's your phrase in
our relationship.
But it's still the same thing,even if I don't use that
specific phrase, because for meit's hard, like I just said, to
get to the place where I wantto, I can name it, because then
even another a whole anotherlevel of being vulnerable is
(19:55):
like, okay, now that I've namedit, what do I do with this?
Because it's like, and thenwhat?
SPEAKER_06 (20:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:01):
You know, it's like I'm feeling this, and whether it
be with you and I or in inanother situation with another
person, this is what I'mfeeling, and I don't know what
to do about it.
SPEAKER_05 (20:14):
Right.
And sometimes that's probablyone of the best things to say.
SPEAKER_01 (20:18):
Oh man, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (20:19):
Like it's okay to be that's the being vulnerable part
that's hard.
SPEAKER_01 (20:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (20:22):
Like, we're in the situation, and this is not
pretty for either of us, and I Idon't know how to fix it, and I
don't know how to make itbetter.
SPEAKER_01 (20:29):
And not pretty can even mean like for me and you,
if it's not pretty, it was like,okay, I I'm feeling like I
messed up.
And I didn't mean to mess up,and so now what?
Or on the flip side, it can belike in this outside of our
marriage, in this specific likeprofessional relationship, I
(20:52):
feel like I'm right.
And that can be very vulnerablesaying, I feel like I'm right,
but then now what do I do withit?
I'm not gonna be a jerk about itor whatever the case may be.
It's kind of like, okay, what'sthe feeling I'm feeling?
Why is it important?
What does it mean to me in thiswhole thing?
(21:15):
And then what?
SPEAKER_05 (21:17):
There are two I don't know if I should share
this because we're talking aboutvulnerability, but these are
very vulnerable moments for mein our in our marriage.
And I think I've shared thesehere.
I'm not sure if I have or not,but they're highly emotional for
me because they're veryvulnerable moments.
There's two times that are justman, they're just marked, they
(21:38):
marked me.
Um one time was we were goingthrough a a really we had a we
had a rough patch financially.
Like it was tough for a while.
There's been two times, twotimes where it's just really,
really tough.
Um, one time you were reallysick, um, and you need to go to
the doctor, and we had no money.
(21:59):
And I remember sitting in ourcloset, and man, I was wrecked.
Like, I was just emotionallyshot.
And I that was my vulnerability,just me.
Like sitting there, just I was Iwas sobbing, just crying,
because I'm like, what kind ofhusband am I, what kind of a
leader am I in our house that Ican't even provide for my wife
(22:21):
when she's sick?
I can't even take her to thedoctor.
Um, and that was horrible.
The second time was when thatvulnerability was with you, and
our bank account was done.
And we had a bunch of littlekids at home, and we it's back.
This is tells you how dated itwas.
(22:42):
We wrote a bad check.
Yeah, we knew this check wasbad, and this is before they
could check it and tell you ifthere was money in there.
But we wrote a check that wasbad so we could buy groceries
for our kids, uh, so we couldeat that week.
And I remember I remember thatmoment sitting in the car with
(23:04):
you.
It's it's one of those momentsthat marks you.
SPEAKER_06 (23:14):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (23:14):
But you're also like I'm not saying go write bad
checks.
No, we're not saying that.
But at the same moment, Iremember sitting in that car and
something happened between usthat day that changed us.
SPEAKER_01 (23:29):
Well, because now when we talk about the the bad
check memory, if we tell thatstory typically, not today, it's
not always a an emotional pointbecause in the car.
SPEAKER_05 (23:44):
Well, we at a point where we just do it and we're
just like, what do we just do?
SPEAKER_01 (23:50):
We have four little people to feed.
They have no idea that there'snot enough money in the bank to
cover this check.
But what they do know is when wecome home and they get to help
us unload groceries because CaliGirl was old enough for the rest
of them to stay at home withher.
When we get home with this carfull of groceries, they're like,
(24:10):
we're having our favorite thingsto eat this week.
And they got us so-and-so forlunch and blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah.
They had no idea.
So it was such a it was such a aparadigm.
I don't know if that's the word.
It was like a, for us, it waslike like rip our heart out.
(24:32):
This is where we're at.
But on the flip side, they hadno idea.
SPEAKER_05 (24:36):
But that could have took when I talk about being an
umbrella protection andvulnerability.
SPEAKER_01 (24:40):
100%.
SPEAKER_05 (24:40):
It's literally one of those things, like you could
have looked at me and been like,How dare you?
You're not the man you shouldbe.
You should be providing for ourfamily, you should be doing
this, this, this, and this.
I could have said the same thingto you.
Why aren't we buying this?
Why are we buying that?
We don't need that.
But we just sat in the car andwe just kind of had a moment
where we we kind of cried and wewere kind of upset, and then we
(25:02):
just looked at each other and wejust started laughing.
We're just like, you know what?
Here we are.
If we can't be happy when wehave nothing in the bank, we're
never gonna be happy with moneyin the bank.
And so we made that decisionchanged the way we looked at a
lot of things.
I'm not saying be broke.
I mean, hear me, look past thosethings.
SPEAKER_01 (25:21):
It's not about money, and that's what we
learned really, really early onin our marriage is if we, like
you just said, if we can't behappy with little, we're not
gonna be happy with more.
But the times where we've hadlittle, we can look back on
those times because and with joybecause it wasn't about the
(25:47):
little versus more.
It was like, nope, we're lookingat the things that are
important.
SPEAKER_05 (25:51):
But that was the uh the idea of knowing those
emotions, man, trying to sortthrough all those, work through
all those.
And we did.
Mm-hmm.
unknown (25:59):
We did.
SPEAKER_05 (25:59):
And we made the money that week and we covered
the check, and we I went out andhustled and found some side
gigs.
SPEAKER_01 (26:05):
You always do.
SPEAKER_05 (26:06):
And we we made the money and we covered it.
At the time we didn't, yeah.
Um, it's just like opportunitieshappened.
Yeah, it's just likeeverything's fine.
But the idea is that in thosethings, we started learning
really, really early.
SPEAKER_01 (26:22):
What matters.
SPEAKER_05 (26:23):
Yeah, this is an emotional roller coaster.
This is but we never threw rocksat each other.
Like we were never gonna be meaneach other.
I never called you names, andyou never called me names, which
was man, because I'm tellingyou, as a husband, you don't
talk about feeling like afailure.
Right.
That's it.
When you can't feed your kids oryou can't take your wife to the
(26:43):
doctor when she's sick becauseyou're broke, you're just like,
what am I doing?
Like, and bless your heart.
SPEAKER_01 (26:50):
I get sick a lot because of my job.
Well, you do it.
SPEAKER_05 (26:53):
Working with little germy kids.
So, but we're we're not therenow.
We're in a different place.
But I'm just saying that's partof our journey, but that's the
umbrella sometimes that we youyou hold and you say, hey, this
is a very hard moment for me toshare.
This is a very hard thing for meto to to open up and say, but I
(27:14):
want I want you to hear it.
SPEAKER_06 (27:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (27:16):
And I want you to know it because I know if I
share that with you, it takes usto a different place.
Um, and so there's a there's alady, um, she did a TED talk,
and it's about vulnerability.
If you get a chance, go check itout.
SPEAKER_01 (27:29):
She's a she's an author too.
She has some really good books.
SPEAKER_05 (27:32):
Yeah, and I'm not saying I a hundred percent agree
with everything she says.
This is a really cool talk, it'sa really thought-provoking, it's
about vulnerability.
Her name's Brene Brown.
I think I got that correct.
You did.
And so um, she did a tech talkthat was on vulnerability that
was just really phenomenal andit's worth a listen.
Uh, it's had about 30 milliondownloads or listens.
(27:53):
So, I mean, it's it's beenaround.
Uh so check it out if youhaven't.
It's one of those really coolthings to listen to.
Um, but it's just value there'ssuch value in that.
SPEAKER_01 (28:06):
But what tell me tell me a little bit about what
she talked about.
SPEAKER_05 (28:10):
Well, I mean, it's uh there's a lot to it.
I mean, I heard some of her talktoo when she was on.
I'm a huge fan of uh anotherpodcast called The Diary of a
CEO.
Um God, I love this podcast.
But he was she was just recentlyon there, super cool.
Um, which led me to I didn't getall the way through her pod uh
(28:31):
her TED talk uh because it'sbeen busy the last few days.
Um so go check it out, listen toit.
She's on if you want to, I mean,here I am pushing another
podcast off my podcast.
But Diary of the CEO, she's onthere.
SPEAKER_01 (28:43):
What was it that you wanted to share about what Brene
said?
SPEAKER_05 (28:46):
I'm just saying vulnerability is a huge part of
of of growing and and it's ahealthy part of who we are.
SPEAKER_06 (28:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (28:53):
That we don't talk about.
Um if you want to be a a reallyhealthy version of yourself in
your relationships, bevulnerable.
Um it's hard.
SPEAKER_01 (29:03):
But it is hard.
SPEAKER_05 (29:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (29:06):
I mean, I can and I know we I referenced this
before, but I can say justbecause of your life experience
before we got not just life, butprofessional experience before
we got married.
Um I've I've experienced a lotof growth with obviously
(29:26):
emotions and processing and whyI feel the way I do in certain
situations, or even likeprocessing like my past grief
and things like that.
Um helps me even now be able touh I mean, I'm a team lead for
(29:48):
my grade level currently, andwe've experienced some change
and some curriculum choices umwith our leadership, and it's
been quite a uh It was asurprise because we're a third
of the way through the schoolyear.
And so it was like a whoa, we'rechanging years real fast.
(30:09):
And so it's been like a uh it, Imean, it changes the first part
of our whole um teaching part ofour day.
And so for a teacher, if you'renot a teacher listening to us,
when you change how we dothings, it's hard because
teachers, nine times out of ten,we want to be in control in uh
(30:32):
the what we're actually teachingour children in our classroom.
And so when you change that,it's like, oh wait, I thought I
I I knew what I was doing.
And then when you change it realfast, it's like you sweep our
feet out from under us.
And so then um with our currentchange that we're going through
(30:53):
now.
I have a point, I promise.
So where are we going?
I'm going.
SPEAKER_06 (30:56):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (30:57):
So as I've been talking about the change with my
team, um I've tried to deliverthat with um a confidence and an
encouragement.
And so it's almost like I've gotI'm trying to protect them with
an umbrella that is my own.
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And my my my teammates are like,well, because of the way you're
talking to me about it, makes mefeel more confident.
And so it's kind of like areverse umbrella protection, if
that makes any sense.
But it's almost like a as you'retalking to your spouse or who
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you're in a relationship with,and you're identifying with how
you're feeling and thinkingabout how they are feeling.
(32:00):
Value how each other is feeling.
Whether it be professional orpersonal, because feelings are
real.
Um that's where I'm at right nowin my heart.
SPEAKER_04 (32:22):
Can I can I interject with that?
Yeah, I'm not sure.
I'm hearing very much whatyou're saying.
Thank you.
And a lot of things in in myexperience when you become
vulnerable.
First off, it's scary.
SPEAKER_01 (32:36):
It is scary.
SPEAKER_04 (32:37):
It's it is scary because you're opening a part of
yourself that most nobody, ifnot everyone, does not know
about you.
Right.
Right.
You don't want them to knowsomething about it.
You don't, yeah, exactly.
Well, it reveals your ownweaknesses.
Yeah.
Yep.
And I mean, and and I know thisis it it's a silly connection,
but you think of parlay, right?
(32:57):
You've got like these two enemyforces that are coming together.
You're gonna have to show yourweaknesses.
You know, you gotta put downyour guns, you gotta put down
your ammunition so that you cancome together and talk and and
collaborate towards an endresult.
SPEAKER_01 (33:14):
Well, as I was speaking just then, and I know
there was like awkward silencesand pauses, like I was being
very vulnerable just then, andmy own self and my brain was
like, stop talking, stop, stop,stop.
And I knew I had a point I wastrying to make.
And I'm so grateful for you,Michael, and you, Greg, to pick
(33:34):
up on that because we do that toour own selves in real life.
And I'm not ashamed to say that.
Like, that's where I was in myown brain hearing my own selves
saying, stop.
I'm no, stop.
SPEAKER_04 (33:50):
Well, and it's it can be easy.
And I think this is why thewhole umbrella of protection is
such an important thing.
One, to be able to communicateuniversally amongst you and
whoever you're talking with,whether it be a spouse or a
working relationship.
SPEAKER_06 (34:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (34:05):
Is to say, hey, maybe give me some grace in this
moment.
SPEAKER_06 (34:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (34:09):
Maybe not not throw the stones at me right now while
I'm wrestling this hard thing.
Yeah.
And even what Greg, you weresaying before, like, hey, I may
finalize these thoughts and intwo hours completely disagree
with what I'm about to say rightnow.
But I've got to work throughthis.
So I think this whole concept ofan umbrella of protection, I
think it goes both ways.
(34:30):
You know, if you have a spousethat comes to you and says, Hey,
can you grant me an umbrella ofprotection for a moment?
I think if that were said to me,I should be overly intentional
to not judge, to not throwthings back in their face, to
not take these vulnerablemoments and use it against them
(34:54):
in their moments of weakness.
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (34:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (34:57):
It's not something to take and log away and go, I'm
gonna bring this up.
Absolutely.
It's not a weapon.
The purpose of being vulnerablein these ways is to acknowledge
where we are, to see it, andthen grow in that.
Yep.
And if we use ammunition and wefire shots at them one in that
(35:17):
vulnerable moment, I think thathurt goes so much deeper than so
many other circumstances of painand hurt that we can cause in
relationships.
But then also when you supportthat and you encourage that
moment of protection and youencourage that moment of
vulnerability, you can usuallyhelp speak life into moments.
(35:39):
You can speak confidence intomoments, you can speak freedom
of thoughts, mental issues thatpeople work through all the time
in those moments.
So, yeah, one, it's not just ahey, maybe I need to be extended
umbrella of protection, but alsoit's a, hey, when someone
requests that of me, the wordsthat I say can either be fuel to
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a fire that can go in so manydifferent ways, or it can also
be water to a fire to help putout and give peace, to give life
in those ways.
So I see very much in a lot ofwhat you're saying there.
SPEAKER_01 (36:16):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_04 (36:17):
There's a massive amount of trust going back to
what Greg said, involved in thisboth ways.
SPEAKER_05 (36:24):
And that's the huge thing.
It's like if you pull all thisdown, it comes down to the idea
of trust.
Like and that's that's one ofthose things you just have to
work and build.
So, man, lots of stuff, lots ofthings we we got into, more
stuff we would want to get into.
I know this is one of thosetopics we could just dig and dig
(36:48):
and dig and dig and talk aboutfor hours and hours and hours,
and maybe we will at some point.
Um we'll we'll hit back on thisand dig into some more things.
Um, because there's somepractical things I wanted us to
talk about that we didn't getto.
And um, we'll just strapped fortime.
SPEAKER_04 (37:04):
Maybe we'll throw a part three out there sometime.
SPEAKER_05 (37:06):
Yeah, at some point, we'll throw a part three out
there.
So thank you guys so much forlistening.
If you're still here, thank you.
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what you think.
Um, we'd love to hear from you.
Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you guys for joining usand uh have a good day.
SPEAKER_01 (37:33):
Thank go dogs.
SPEAKER_05 (37:35):
Go dogs.
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