How To Survive A Dog Attack! Episode is NOT KID FRIENDLY!

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That's a really good point. So before we started Nelson, you
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There's cyanide. And one of those, it was it was
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the same thing. Let's have her on the show.
Just to talk about the app all. Right.
Maybe we should get into it. So we're talking dogs, right?
Dog attacks, off leash dogs, Dangerous dogs.

(02:35):
That we are I. Think what we're really talking
is how to survive a dog attack. Isn't that what it really is?
Yeah, I think we should add on, though.
At some point, we should talk about what to do when it's not
truly attacking. And because on our video on
YouTube of how to survive a dog attack, we get comments where
people are like, this is bad advice because the dog might

(02:57):
attack you if you do that. And we're like, yeah, like, this
is when it's already attacking you.
But like, read the title like this is how to survive, not how
to start a dogfight. This is not how to attack a dog.
This is how to survive a dog attack when a dog has chosen to
attack you. But we should give advice for
what to do if you're if it hasn't started an attack, you're
just scared because it's an off leash dog eyeballing you.

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The other thing would. Start with techniques to avoid
being attacked it sounds like. Yeah, like you got a just big
scary dog approaching you. You're in a dark alley and
you're trying to get rid of yourwallet and you're like, just
take my money, buddy. And it doesn't care what it's.
Raining the whole situation. Now the other thing that I, I

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hate that people, I don't know if it's they're overlooking or
never thought about it or, or what, but whenever they say,
hey, that's really bad advice because the dog could do this
and they're saying, hey, that only works 80% of the time.
So because this doesn't work 20%of the time, you're an idiot.
What, 80% of the time you're getting away like unscathed.

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This seems like great advice. Yeah, I agree.
When you look at that video, thecomments crack me up.
We talked about in the past, like a year ago, this video was
like viral on Facebook and everyone was like shoot the dog
break its neck, like insane comments.
But YouTube, it's like continuedto crank on YouTube since then

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and people don't make the same comments.
It's no one's talking about jiu jitsu breaking the dog's neck.
Like it's very normal comments. But people are also really
fixated on how I say to hold your foot, which I guess we'll
get into at some point. And people can't like people
like can't get past that sometimes.
So I think we should we'll talk about foot placement.
So shooting the dog is no longerthe most popular comment because

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that was very over the place. Very rarely does someone on
YouTube suggest shooting the dogon Facebook.
It was like people were posting pictures of guns and stuff.
It was nuts. And there was a normal comment
then on that video. They were like, just let it bite
your arm and then like jump behind it and then like as it's

(05:08):
biting your arm, like shove yourarm down its throat and then
like just insane stuff. I I remember that one, yeah.
That guy was on meth, guaranteed.
He played a lot of Mortal Kombat, right?
He was like this is coming with me now.
Finishing move. So how do we want to structure
this? Are we just going to structure
it where we'll start with dog attack and what we would do in

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that moment, and then we'll talkabout how to maybe prevent from
getting attacked if a dog's justsketching you out a little bit?
So you're going to like paint the picture and then we walk it
through or. Yeah, so I mean, we could start
big picture. Do you want to give any big
picture advice first? Nelson Voss, you want me to?
We could just start there and see where it takes us.

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I mean, the, the biggest pictureand in any of these types of
situations, right, is situational awareness and
avoidance. So a lot of the times, whether I
have a dog or not, maybe it's just being the kids.
But if I hear someone yelling out a name multiple times, I'm
I'm starting to look around already.

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I want to know, are you looking for a kid?
Are you looking for a dog? Is there a dog in the loose?
Because I'm getting out of here,I'm probably not going to try
and help you catch your dog. I'm probably getting the heck
out of here as. Quickly, are you more worried if
they're yelling Thor or something like that?
You know what it is? It's Gotti.
If they yell out Gotti, I'm probably I'm not.

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Bane. Bane would freak me out if
someone was screaming. Bane No I That'd make me pretty
nervous. So.
But you know how often I've, I've trained too, and I
distinctly remember both of thembeing named Bane because I
always ask the owner of like, was it Batman or is it Star
Wars? And then everyone's like, I

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don't, I don't know anything about Star Wars.
I thought it was Batman. I don't think there's a Bane
from Star Wars. I think that's why people are
confused. There is.
That I have no idea. There is.
It's not in the movie. What?
It's not in the movie? What is it?
It's in. It's in the lore, it's in the
world that he created. Man, I can never remember what

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his name is. So George Lucas.
So it's in the world of George Lucas.
Bane was the was one of the bad guys.
He was a Sith Lord and he created the rule of two, right?
So there's a master and. Then an apprentice.
I mean, we all know the rule of two, but.
Which was in the movies. Are you sure this is that?
This sounds like fan fiction. Now, I'm pretty sure that this

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is lore. This is this is.
What do they call that? Cannon.
Cannon. That's what it is.
Yep. Good.
You were right on there. Good.
And I'm done for the day. I just, I'm going to log off.
Nailed it. Boom.
OK, so situational awareness head on a swivel.
I like that. What else?
I think it goes with one of the things I had on there with

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situational awareness. If there's areas that you know
that you've seen dogs that look bad in the past, you could have
simply avoid those on your walk.So you know neighbors houses
where you've seen a dog constantly that looks like it
wants to get out and kill you probably don't walk by there
anymore. That's fair, actually.
Sure. Well, I'll give my big picture,

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and I think that this will be the theme of everything is if a
dog decides to attack you, your main response needs to be
strength and intimidation and everything.
We're going to talk about it. And the caveat is like this is
if a dog has decided to attack you, don't try to reason with
it. Certainly don't try to run.

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You need to think about scaring the animal off and it's
understanding that dogs who decide to attack aren't going to
be like, all right, well, he seems nice, so I guess I'm not
going to attack him now. Don't lay down and play dead.
This is not a grizzly bear. All of those are terrible ideas.
If you lay down and play dead, that dog's probably going to
bite your throat. If the dog decided to attack,

(09:09):
strength is the only option at that point.
Any back from you guys? Not from.
Your point, my only push back ishe was he's like go big picture.
Like what do you guys think of big picture and then zones in
and that's big picture never runaway.
I haven't given any advice yet besides try to intimidate him.

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Right? That's I think that's real big
picture. Super big.
I think you're 1000% correct, right?
Intimidation. A lot of the times if you're
intimidating, you don't have to be strong.
And then if it comes down to it where there's a physical
altercation, yes, you're not worried about Oh my goodness,
I'm you know, I don't want to hurt this dog.
It's I need to get away from this dog and I need to get this

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dog to run away from me. And you know, we should have
maybe put like a cabbie out of the start of this, like a
parental advisory because I knowa lot of people listen to these
episodes like when they're driving with kids, be cautious.
Maybe listen to this episode with kids because we're going to
talk about like the damage a dogcan do.

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But also your response back is not super nice, right?
It's not like PC friendly like, well, dogs, everybody loves
dogs. So here's the way you are nice
to the dog to make it stop. Like the if the dog's attacking
you, that's not an option. Just like if a human's attacking
you, you can't be nice and reason with them to make them
stop. So probably not appropriate for

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young kids to listen to the restof this.
But I do think that that's, that's critical, right?
I do think that that's the mind frame.
If you have any shot of getting out, you know, unscathed or
minimal damage, that's the mind frame to be in.
It's I'm not doing this because I want to.
I'm doing this because I have to.
Yeah, Should I, should we talk for a minute about I don't know

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if we've shared this in the podcast before, but I know you
guys have both heard the story when that loose pit attacked
Kara and I and our and Keenan Smalls years ago.
I don't know if I if I have. And do you think I've shared
that on this podcast? Either way, So to this.
So we were walking my wife and Iwith two dogs with a mastiff and

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an American bulldog. American bulldog very similar to
a pit. This is not anti Pitbull.
So don't even start that crap. If you're like why did you have
to say pit? Because it's true.
It was a pit. Not anti Pitbull in the
slightest. But we were walking and a loose
Pitbull charged us. Then I saw it coming and it was
like that oh crap moment. Everything about his body

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language was not good. The dog was charging tail lot
targeting like staring at us like this is clearly going to go
bad. And so I gave like my wife and I
each had one dog. I gave her the other dog, the
one that I had, so she had two and I stepped in front of the
them and I started screaming at the dog and I went to it
screaming and that didn't that wasn't enough to deter the dog.

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The dog came in for an attack and like tried to go, you know,
go past me and I kicked it hard.And you know, this is obviously
not PC like and I didn't, you know, try to like I didn't say
sit like it's not going to work.I was already screaming and I
kicked it fairly hard in the chest and it sent the dog
backwards. And then the dog did what any
dog expert would kind of predictwith a powerful dog is it

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circled and it looked for its next opening.
So I circled with it like it wascircling, you know, around.
It was more interested in attacking our dogs than me,
which at that point was a strokeof luck because it really wanted
past me versus it didn't want tograb my arm and attack, which
was obviously much safer and made it work out better.
But it circled. So I circled, I kept my

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attention on it again the whole time.
And every time it came in, I kicked it and screamed at it
again. I was screaming loud the entire
time. And, and I don't know how many
times I had to kick this dog. And when I say kick, it's
important how you do it. The dog, if it can, there's a
good chance it's going to grab your foot if it's a tough dog.
So this is the part in that video that people I think have

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trouble with is explaining don'tturn your foot sideways.
And the reason is if your foots turn sideways, so it's like
horizontal with the ground, thatmeans the dog can easily grab it
in its mouth and just kind of picture that.
Also, the advice is don't kick with your toe.
You can probably guess that's very easy for your dog, the dog

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to grab your toe. So I'd recommend foot kind of
straight up and down and kind ofleading with the ball of your
foot or your heel. Much harder for the dog.
The dog have to turn its head toget your foot in its mouth,
which is much harder. And I kept kicking the dog and I
don't know how many times this happened.
And finally, like the dog and I were both tired and like Karen,
they like the dogs are behind me.

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And it like trotted off a littlebit and a it wasn't a meter
reader, but like a utility guy had stopped and he's like,
what's going on? And like he had stopped and he
was like, like walking up to us.And I was like, oh, this
strange, this pit had just attacked us.
And he's like, wait, what? And he like leaps in his car.
He's like, get in. So Karen, the dogs like get in
the meter feeders or whatever. The utility guy's vehicle.

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And I had AI took one of the leashes at that point, made a
slip lead and followed the dog to try to catch it and was
unsuccessful and it just disappeared.
But no question, like to me, ourdogs, the only reason we didn't
have a horrific incident is because I used intimidation and
strength. And I'm not when I say strength,
I'm not like this super big powerful person, but I'm bigger

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than the dog. I used intimidation and strength
to scare the dog off. And what I would tell everyone
listening as we get into this more, this is not me saying
like, wow, I'm a very intimidating strong person.
Like anybody can do this. I'm not a big guy, I'm not like
a super trained fighter. So you don't have to be like
this, you know, Man of Steel to defend yourself, right?

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It's you just need to do something.
So that's kind of what happened in that scenario.
But I think we could spend a lotof time breaking it down.
Specifically what went on and what could have been better,
what could have been worse. What do you guys think after
hearing that? Yeah, a couple of things.
One, anybody can do it, there's no doubt about that.

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But I'll be honest with you. I mean, if I, when I talk to
women specifically, I'll tell them like, hey, if you have a
tenacious dog who likes to fight, you might be better off
dropping the leash on your dog so that they can fight and you
can, you know, get away, get help, get, you know, something
along those lines. And it to some degree someone

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could come and say, hey, you're sacrificing your dog for your
own safety. But also consequences are real,
right? I mean, there are big enough
dogs that can kill smaller people.
There's, you know, there's no doubt about that, especially if
I have kids with me. Yes, you know, I would hope that
my dog could fight off that dog long enough for me to get the
kids away. But also there's the other side

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of that coin, right, Which is think of how much more horrific
that situation could have been had Keenan Smalls been allowed
to make contact with that dog, right?
You know, it took a couple of kicks and got away relatively
fine, right? It's not damaged.
I'm sure you have a good kick onyou, buddy.

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But you know, it's nothing crazyhappened.
But one or two dogs could have died, you know, between the
three-way fight. Yeah.
Serious, serious situation. Let's unpack a few things here.
That's a really good point, right, That if the dog had been
allowed to attack, I had a mastiff mix in an American
bulldog, the three of them fighting a dog would have died,

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right? No question.
And those two dogs, like something horrific would have
happened if it had been allowed to attack me and had been
attached to my arm. Well, that dog would have ended
up getting shot. You know, the police would have
come and the dog, yeah, I'd be incredibly injured and the dog
would be, would have been killed.
So to your point there, I think anyone, if that was your pet,
you'd probably be pretty happy. The person kicked it a bunch of

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times and it stopped versus it got into horrific dogfight or it
got shot by the police because it was attached to somebody's
arm. Without a doubt, you.
Know, and your first point is, is a tough one about do you let
your dog fight? Because I've had a lot of
clients ask me that over the years and what I tell them is if
it was me and I could put the dog behind me or give it to

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someone else, I'm going to do everything I can to like, not
let my dog fight, but. I agree with that completely.
But without a doubt, if it was like my wife or my dog, I would
choose my wife to not get injured.
Like I think anyone who doesn't say that is pretty jacked up in
the brain. And same with kids right?
Like 100% of 1 of my kids was walking the dog and a strange

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powerful breed attacked. I would much rather my kid
dropped the leash and get out ofthere and that would really suck
for the dog. But obviously children are more
important than dogs. And if you don't think that,
maybe you need a little therapy.Like when people say, oh, I
don't know, I like dogs more than I like people.
Right. Yeah, kind of weird.

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We hear that a lot, right? So what about you, Vloss?
What do you think about the whole situation?
I think it's always a rough call.
I mean, I feel like, again, whenit's me, I'd always put myself
in between the attacking dog andmy dogs.
It's only, I feel like it's onlyhappened to me a couple of times
in this type of situation that'ssimilar to what you're talking

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about. And it never actually led to a
fight. So it's, you know, it's hard for
me to say what I would do once it goes past that.
I think cover, you hit on some of the most important parts when
you talked about breaking it down is get in between, be
confident, yell and be loud. And doing those things I think
generally ends up working and just stops the dog from

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advancing in a lot of cases. Yeah, absolutely.
So we get more kind of granular on this.
I would always suggest eye contact.
Lots of eye contact. I'm staring down the dog and
we're going to get to later. What if the dog hasn't decided
to attack? Then the advice is different.
But lots of eye contact staring,lots of yelling.

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That's your first line of defense is screaming and try to
not be shrieking, but screaming.You know as tough of a voice as
you can make right mean angry and try anything.
Try go home, get out of here. You know light.
I mean you can try lay down, leave it whatever to me.
Focus more on you know your intensity.
So I would recommend. I like.

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To throw no out there too, because a lot of dogs do no no.
And I would focus on screaming, whatever makes you feel tougher,
right? If you're like trying to think
of words and it's confusing you in the moment, that's not a
good, that's not a good thing. So I whatever you can scream in
a kind of tough, angry fashion, I think is a lot better.

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We also recommend, or at least Irecommend hands up.
That dog grabs your hand. That's going to be a huge
problem. It's going to be if it's a tough
breed dog, it's going to be veryhard to get your hand out of the
mouth at that point. So I would keep hands up and I
would keep your hands in a fist.And we say this in the video,
it's like you're not boxing the dog.
But when you have a fist, it's alot harder for them to grab a

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finger. You can lose a finger easier
than you can imagine. So I would hands up, but I would
not hands up and like a poem spread like, hey backup buddy,
hands up and you know, in a fist.
And think of the implication, right?
You know, anytime as humans, if we go up and hands open, it's

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usually in a submissive way anyways, right?
Which is exactly the opposite mind frame that we want you to
be in anyways. So it's not about, hey, I have
nothing in my hands. I'm not trying to be a threat.
It is the exact opposite of I amwilling to fight and get the
heck out of here even if you're not willing to, right?
I mean, even if you're hoping, because we all hope that it's

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not going to get there. But again, it's what will give
you the confidence to portray that message.
So a lot of swear words come outwhen when a situation like that
happens. Other thing, I don't think we've
said this yet, but don't run. You're not going to be faster
than the dog. No, I can actually give you a

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story where I sort of ran from adog and it worked well.
But generally speaking, don't run.
You're not going to be faster than the dog.
So unless you know that you can get to safety before that dog
can reach you, don't run. And so we're talking to me right
now about close up scenarios. If you're, if you see a strange
dog charging units like 50 yardsaway and you see a fence 10 feet

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away from you that you can Sprint and jump over it, you're
like, yeah, do that. And no matter what, like if you
can get, I think that's kind of obvious.
If you can get to safety, go to safety for sure.
And of course, if you can find an object to protect yourself
with, even better. We get questions about pepper
spray and you know, we can talk about that.
But if you have a backpack on, Iwould swing that backpack off

(22:06):
and defend yourself with it. If there's a garbage can next to
you with a lid, yeah, grab that lid.
Or maybe the whole garbage can if it's the right size.
Like if you can find anything, there's a an appropriate stick
right next to you or you happen to have a collapsible baton and
you're on your waist. I mean, there's a lot of things
that would help, but a lot of times those aren't an option.

(22:28):
Govi, you see. Let's ask that question, though,
real quick. Do you, do you recommend
carrying a stick with you like awalking stick anywhere people
go? And the bear spray or pepper
spray too? Like, are these things people
should really be considering doing just when they're going
for a walk in their neighborhood?
Well, I can tell you I never walked in that neighborhood

(22:49):
again where that the loose pit attacked us because there was no
closure, right? Like where is that dog?
So we did walk in it again. There's just, and we, I mean, we
lived in the neighborhood and wejust drove, you know, like, I
don't know, 2 minutes to a different neighborhood and
walked there. It just wasn't worth it to me.

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What? But my point is, if you're in an
area where you think it's likelythat you're going to be attacked
by a dog, either don't go there anymore or yeah, I would for
sure have something. So I don't make a habit of
walking with a stick or, you know, pepper spray or anything.
But if it was my only option wasto walk in an area that I
thought the odds of an attackingdog were high, for sure I would

(23:32):
bring something with. Now, so I used to be iffy on
pepper spray, bear spray, that'll kind of deal.
You know, I live in Illinois, it's always windy.
And I was wondering what is whatis the possibility I burn myself
instead of the dog and that kindof stuff, right.

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But apparently they're making gel instead of spray, which
seems way better. Or, you know, they have like the
airsoft guns that shoot, you know, the the propellant.
So that seems like a way better idea because at least you can
get away. But but even take the 50 yards
and, you know, offense is 10 yards away.
That requires situational awareness, right, to know that

(24:16):
the dog is coming. And then same thing like what
Blah said is if I've been to a neighborhood where I think that
that was going to happen, I'm not going back to that
neighborhood. Just just like you did, Matt.
So, you know, both of those are your first line of defense,
right? Is being aware of what's going
on and then trying to avoid situations or, or areas, right,

(24:37):
where stuff like that might be likely.
But collapsible baton, man that could be cool.
And I mean, pepper spray I thinkis a great option to carry and
maybe we should play out what would happen if a dog attacks
you and just kind of play out a couple scenarios so people can

(24:58):
think. Because to your point, like the
gentle is I've played with the gel, it is pretty awesome.
It does hold its shape a lot better than than the spray if a
dog has decided to attack you, unless you've got your head on a
swivel like Nelson suggested at the start and you've got quick
reactions. You're confident, right?
There's a good chance you're notgoing to pull that out in time

(25:21):
and have it ready to wear like the dogs 10 feet away that
you're more likely to be to be able to get it out in the times
we'll talk about next, which is the dog is threatening and you
think it might attack, but if that dog's coming in for the
attack, this stuff happens so fast.
Dogs are so quick. There's a good chance that I got
lucky when the that the story I told earlier because I saw the

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dog coming from a long way. It was just like beeline up the
street and I don't know if it's all our dogs and jumped a fence
to come after them. But a lot of times you don't
have that time. So there's a good chance the
pepper spray is not going to be as much of A deterrent as
hopefully a fight ender to give you a chance.
Sure. So do you want to play through a

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couple options? I mean, I'll give you 1.
Nelson dog attacks you, it runs up, you scream.
And you what? What kind of dog?
Let's go American Bulldog, ScottScott type.
We're talking like 85 lbs of muscle and you kick a few times.
I guess first this is like choose your own and choose your

(26:25):
own story or whatever it. Really is, yeah.
Do you? Do you kick?
What do you do? OK, so Scott Tag comes in.
I have a dog with me. I'm assuming I'm walking you.
Know you're dogless. Let's let's do dogless.
Just me, yeah. Oh yeah.
So if I see that dog coming, I'mI'm yelling, I'm swearing, I'm
squaring up and I'm starting to to approach.

(26:48):
Absolutely. My first move is to start
kicking as soon as it comes intorange.
So this dog's fast. You kick it a couple times and
it jumps up and grabs a hold of your arm.
What do you do now? What I do now is I am going to
be kneeing that chest or punching in the head just to get

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that thing to let go as as much as possible.
But also, I guess a lot of that really comes down to if it's got
a collar, if it has a normal collar, you know, I'm twisting
that collar and trying to choke it out as quickly as possible.
There's a very, very good chancethat I can choke it out as
opposed to winning a fight. Like let's be honest, an 80 LB

(27:33):
really, really fast Scots type American bulldog probably
defeats me 6 out of 10 times, right?
So if it's got a collar, I'm twisting that thing and I'm
trying to take the air out as quickly as possible.
And choking it would be the nicest thing you could do for
that animal, right? So you can out of context,
people are like, Oh my gosh, yousaid to choke the animal.

(27:53):
That sounds horrible with his animals attacking him.
Choking is probably the nicest thing you could do if it works
because it would end the fight without real damage being done
to the dog. So without a doubt, that's I
think the nicest option if it ifyou can make it happen.
And the alternative is knees to the chest, right?
Like cracked ribs. So yeah, choking.

(28:14):
This where this conversation's headed sounds very similar to
Nelson. The video that you shared for
this, did you? Did you want us to play that?
Sure. Can you pull it up?
Yeah. I'm excited.
I've heard we've got a video. I have not seen it.
I'm so glad you haven't seen. It, well I haven't seen it now I
don't know. I've watched a lot of dog attack

(28:35):
videos over the year sure, but aren't watching and are just
listening. This says what to do when a dog
attacks and it looks like a pit attached to a cop's arm.
Is that what I'm seeing? Yep.
It is and then it's going to it's going to break off of this
and then go to somebody else whotalks about what to do to.
A trainer and I want you to react to this covey all.

(28:58):
Right. You ready?
Yeah, OK. So it is just hanging from his
arm. He's got his arm up in the air
and the dog's attached to it now, all OK.
So he's on the ground. This is insane.
I cannot look. I know he's just reacting out of
fear, but he was. So I don't have audio.

(29:20):
Do we have audio? Oh, you can't hear it?
No. I can't hear it either.
But I can tell you for everyone listening, he went to the ground
with the dog and was basically like, it almost looked like sort
of a chokehold, but his face wasinches from the dog's face, so.
I think he was trying to put hisweight on the dog to stop it
from moving. Is what I think he was trying to

(29:42):
do. Dog, you better hope that dog
isn't let go of your hand because your neck is right
there. But can we try to get lost to
hear? The Yeah, I think I fixed it.
So now he's going to tell you what he thinks that you should
do in a situation like that. This guy looks tough.
Like that and you have a dog attached to your arm.
I'm telling you right now, that is the best position for you to

(30:02):
be in with a dog that's attacking you.
And let me explain and show you why.
OK, now let's assume that this dog is attacking.
You know what? I'm not going to do this, OK?
What I am going to do is I'm going to pull this dog close to
my body and I'm going to lay back because what I want to do
is I want to squeeze his body and grab his neck.

(30:25):
Or I'm, if I'm able to, I'm going to put his neck in between
my legs and then I'm going to squeeze his neck until he stops
moving, period. I'm taking away the oxygen and
I'm taking away the blood supplyto the brain.
Period. There's no need to be playing
around with these dog guys. If they come after your arm,
you're still in a position to actually win.

(30:46):
If I have a dog that's coming atme from the front and they're
attached to my arm, guess what? I'm going to do the same damn
thing. We're going to do it this way
and I'm going to lock his head right here and I'm going to
squeeze with every single thing that I have.
Same thing with the body. I'm going to squeeze with
everything that I have to make sure that he can't get another
breath in to be a leader. Follow me.

(31:07):
To be a leader, follow me, OK? Wow, I've got a lot of thoughts.
So that guy looks like he might be a bad ass, so that might work
for him. So for people who weren't
watching, watch the video you need to see I guess he pulled
this like you got a fake dog outand he's like on his back like

(31:29):
choking his dog, like jiu jitsu kind of stuff like.
Essentially, that's what it is, right?
He's trying to lay on his back. He did a real naked joke for
sure. So here's like when I see that,
what I think about is you guys know.
So I train in Krav, and Krav, one of the one of the things
that they're big on is some having a technique that'll work

(31:50):
for everybody, man, woman, low training, high training, big,
small, whatever. And as opposed to this technique
that'll only work if you're really skilled and you truly
know what you're doing and you're kind of able to
overpower. What I saw there was like, if
this guy is a true jiu jitsu guy, yeah, I guess it would

(32:12):
probably work. But man, getting on the ground
with that dog and it like was pulling the dog's head close to
your throat. That dog squeezes away from you
and it latches on your throat. You're dead.
Like just no question, a couple seconds of that dog on your
throat and you're unconscious and then dad, I'll attach to

(32:32):
your arm. You can make it a pretty long
time and hopefully you live in aplace where police are present
and can come and assist you. Although he was a police
officer, so. The first guy will then back up
right like to come over and so or pull out your sidearm or
whatever. So I without a doubt I, I would
say that's a, that you're playing a dangerous game right

(32:52):
there. So.
I feel like if you're a trained martial artist you can probably
do that. Yeah, if you're, and if you're a
trained jiu jitsu person, you probably don't need us to tell
you what to do, right? If you're like, if this thing
comes after me, I've been on theground with enough tenacious
humans, you know, I roll all thetime, no problem.
Maybe. But for the average person,

(33:13):
that's just not going to work. I can tell you what I would have
done there for that first video where that dog was attached to
the cops hand. I would have used my other hand
and I would have done thumb in the eye, 100% thumb in the eye
of the dog without a doubt. So what I would have done is had
the baton, because he had a baton on his waist, and I would

(33:34):
have started going to town on a pit who's not only grabbed my
arm, but he's shaking, right? I mean, he's looking to do
damage. So if I'm in that fight, I'm
grabbing a baton. But I'm so glad that you had the
exact same reaction that I had, which is this guy.
You know, two things. So one, let's talk about this

(33:56):
guy who does look like he's a badass.
He looks like he, you know, doesMMA kind of stuff.
But I don't think people actually think about the
difference in Physiology betweena human and dogs.
And dogs are pretty streamlined,right?
I mean, they're meant the dog has the advantage in that
situation as opposed to a human.And I don't, I don't know if he

(34:19):
just doesn't realize that or I'massuming he's never fought a dog
before, but he's a dog trainer, so presumably he might have done
it at least once. But I think this is going to
sound ruder than it has to be. But in in America where you
know, like we're so obese as a nation, it's like one of the

(34:40):
big, you know, health crisis of our time right now.
Can you imagine the normal average Joe who might not even
be obese, but just not work out,being able to have the leg
strength to choke a dog out whenthey have the Physiology it you
know, everything, it's horrible advice.
It's ridiculous advice. And that's kind of one of the

(35:02):
things I was getting at were like that guy looked tough,
right? He looked like he was in good
shape and different than the average person for sure.
And I think advice that's gearedtowards 200 LB men and that
train in martial arts is not very helpful for the vast
majority of. People and going to get someone

(35:22):
killed right, because if if someone and and I like what you
said right, it's it is about skill, but the fact of the
matter is is that dogs are at the they're standing up.
They're at the advantage. That dog is not going to be on
his back for very long. He's going to twist around
really quickly and be right sideup again.
We're surely fast. So I would say a big piece of

(35:44):
advice. There is nothing that would make
me consider going to the ground.Absolutely.
That actually that brings up sort of one of the more popular
piece of pieces of advice that you can find about when you're
being bit to get in the fetal position and protect your vital
organs. And to me, I am sort of the same

(36:04):
reaction to what you were sayingfor fighting the dog of I don't
want to get on the ground. I want to try and avoid being on
the ground. I feel like I'd be way easier to
be injured being on the ground. I don't understand what is more
protective of your vital organs than keeping them out of reach.

(36:25):
Right. Like if I'm standing up, my neck
is nowhere near that dog. And really the only the only
thing that could go wrong is if I try to karate kick and I throw
a sideways kick and the dog takes me down or the dog wraps
my arm and pulls me down. Right, but getting down on the
ground is not the move. I mean, I would do whatever I

(36:51):
could to not get on the ground. And just so like, let's think
that through that dog's attachedto your hand.
That obviously would hurt. It would be terrifying, but I
would do everything I could to stay on my feet.
And in some ways, you're honestly just like looking to
buy time for someone to come andhelp you.
And I'd be staying on my feet. Back to the pepper spray.

(37:14):
If I had pepper spray in that scenario, it would be the pepper
spray being emptied like into the dog's mouth.
Without a doubt. I would not go for the eyes.
It would be right into the mouthto get them to cough.
And that's interesting. See, I would have gone straight
for the eyes. So that's interesting.
That's a good. Thought, you know, who knows
what happened in that scenario, right?
But sure, I honestly think in a dog attack, that's the more

(37:36):
realistic scenario is that the dog is attached to you, your leg
or your arm or something. By the time you get your pepper
spray ready and then you're like, now what?
And I would not just empty that thing Willy nilly because of the
dogs pretty tenacious. There's a good chance they're
not going to care about their eyes hurting, you know, like
them. And that was a pit and that's,
you know, in that video. But any tough brain they can

(37:59):
they can ignore a lot of pain. So what I would want is to get
make it hard for them to breatheso as it so not eyes, you know
like you look trying to get noseor mouth.
Now, one big thing, and I ran into this when I ran into the
video, right, is that the longerI had to sit with the
information, I could Monday quarterback this thing all day,

(38:21):
right? And so like, yeah, the proper
thing would have actually been to grab the baton and use it as
a brake stick to get the dog offof your arm.
And no harm could have potentially come to either of
you. And then, you know, you already
have your stick out, so you could bunk them if you have to,
right? So like there's a lot of things
that we could say because but let's be honest, all three of us

(38:41):
have been in that situation, that exact situation.
Tenacious dog. Mine happened to be a pit
attached to the arm, right? And it hurts, but not so much
that I couldn't think and thought let me get down on the
ground. Well, let's expand there and for
sure agreed about the the Mondaymorning quarterback because it's
much easier to watch. And so here's what I would have

(39:03):
done. So dog attached to your arm,
you're that guy. You have your you know, your
baton. It is just strike that dog with
the baton when it's attached to your arm is going to be hard
like to to any powerful strike. Try look at the think about the
leverage. You know, how are you getting
like the dogs attached? And hopefully it's attached to
your bad hand versus your good hand, but it's close to the

(39:25):
bottom. You're like trying to like, you
know, hit it as it's attached toyou as it's moving.
Now, I'm not saying you can't doit, but it it, it'd be harder
than then just like, yeah, just hit it and now it'll let you go.
But you mentioned brake stick, so I think it's a great piece of
advice. Can you expand on that a little
bit? Yeah, so a brake stick, I don't
think that was an actual thing, right?

(39:46):
People just grabbed whatever they could have You guys have
any video? No, no, just in general when
they talk about brake stick, Have you guys ever seen like an
like an actual? Thing you can buy a brake stick,
OK? So what a break stick is, is
some kind of reinforced pull. I've just seen people grab
broomsticks and stuff like that,right?

(40:07):
But it's essentially what you'retrying to do is you're trying to
grab that stick, shove it into the mouth so that you can pry
those jaws open and then get thedog off of your arm.
But you know, essentially. And then if the dog bites the
stick, you know, like less of a problem, right?
Maybe that's a good way for you to get away, but.
That's what, you know, it's often times for bully breeds,

(40:30):
right? So Bulldogs, pit bulls, am
Staffs, you know, all, all of those and that you would take
the stick, you would try and getit all the way through the mouth
so that you can pry it open. At least it's it's the way I've
always been. I've seen it happen at least,
Yeah. So for anyone watching, if you
just, I just checked if you likeAmazon sells brake sticks.

(40:50):
So you could just go to Amazon type and brake stick and you'll
see a lot of them almost look like a sword in the sense of
they're flat and wide. And the idea is that you put it
in flat wise and then you turn it.
And so now flat wise, that's nota word, but you put it in like
the skinny way and then as you rotate it, it, you know, pries

(41:12):
the jaw apart and in theory enough to get your hand or the
other dog's head or whatever, you know, out of that dog's
mouth. So if you walk with a brake
stick, that's a good option. Now, a brake sticks only useful
when it's already attached. So you're, you're going to the
hospital after use or your dog, someone's going to the hospital
if you're using a brake stick, better than losing a hand or

(41:34):
dying, obviously. But a brake stick is not a
deterrent at all. And it's it means like that
dog's probably getting euthanized for mauling someone
and you're probably going to theER afterwards.
It is, but better than getting your hand chewed off.
Or getting pulled down to the ground, which should be my
biggest worry. But what's crazy is they the

(41:54):
company, which I, I don't remember what the company is,
but I wouldn't name it anyways. You know, the company is one
I've heard of before. And so it's just crazy that
they're putting out videos of like, hey, the average person
needs to be able to do this. And the average person doesn't
even go to the gym, let alone train, right?
I mean, there's a lot of skill in what he was doing there.

(42:17):
I agree. All right, So we've talked a lot
about true attack scenarios. Floss, you look like you've got
a thought. What's?
Well, I want to take there's there's an attack scenario we
haven't covered at all and I want to talk about it a bit.
It's something that that I thinkhappens to me, I don't want to
say frequently, but it's a different scenario.

(42:37):
So riding a bike and having a dog come after you.
So I feel like it happens reallycommonly.
We did that other podcast about how dogs love wheeled items,
right? And bikes are one of them.
And as a bike rider, it's scary having a dog chase after you.
So average bike rider Max is outaround 19 miles an hour.

(42:58):
A lot of dogs can run up to 20 miles an hour, so they can catch
you. So just like you were talking
about with if you're out for a walk or you're running, the dog
can catch you. So if you're on a bike, what do
you end up doing? If you try and outrun it?
There's a good chance they're going to get to you.
Just to throw this out there, every time it's happened to me

(43:19):
I've outran the dog, which I'm not saying that's good advice
but that's what I've done is just speed up and just rode as
hard as I could for as long as Icould until the dog just stopped
and disappeared. Are you in the mindset when that
happens to be able to switch gears?
What Yeah, yeah, for sure. So like you mean change gears
into a harder gear and and ride faster?

(43:41):
Yeah, without a doubt. Now, if you're somebody who
doesn't ride much, you probably aren't in that mindset, right.
But as somebody who rides semi frequently, I I think that that
comes pretty natural to you to like as you continue to speed
up, keep changing gears. So that's what I've always done.
But but if the dog keeps coming and is clearly going to catch

(44:03):
you, the best advice I could come up with is get off of the
bike. Do it in a way that you're
putting the bike in between yourself and the dog and then
use the bike as your thing to keep the dog off of you, almost
like your stick or your weapon. So the dog's coming towards you,
you're holding the bike out, tryand get the dog to bite the
wheels of the bike as opposed toyou.

(44:25):
And if the dog doesn't attack when you get off of the bike and
it's sort of like, oh, this isn't as exciting anymore
because it's not moving fast, then, you know, slowly walk off
until the dog loses interest. Then you can get back on the
bike and ride away. So biking and a dog attacking
can be very dangerous. You're up higher, they can bite
your bike, they can knock you down.
Now you're on the ground. We talked about not wanting to

(44:47):
be on the ground, so really dangerous situation.
But I did want to talk about it a bit because it's a lot
different from what we were talking about with walking.
Yeah, that's a really good one. And I'm, and I'm with you, if I
was in a bike, I would go for running in a hard like, you
know, out running the dog in a heartbeat.
I I like my odds in a bike versus on foot.
Yeah, I had a German Shepherd chase me for probably half a

(45:11):
mile once and I I stayed just infront of him the entire time.
But it was unbelievably scary. Crazy.
I would on a bike and I agree 100%.
If you realize you can't outrun it using the bike, you know, and
I guess it's a good time to talkabout we haven't said this
specifically. I mentioned like a garbage can
lid or something. Dogs bite the first thing that's

(45:33):
in front of them. And like, although dogs are
smart when they're in fight mode, whatever's there, they
bite. And you, if you see it, if you
see a video and you think about it, it's kind of silly where
like, they'll grab whatever's there and they're shaking their
head and whipping, you know, as trainers, most trainers don't
wear super tight pants when they're working with an
aggressive dog. I prefer to wear cowboy boots

(45:57):
because they're the reason beingI don't like the traction of
them a ton, but I like that they're tall enough and they're
loose fitting around the ankle and calf.
So the dog bites that they're grabbing on to your jeans and
your boots and whipping their head on that as opposed to
grabbing, like, you know, your calf.
Yeah. So anything you can put in front
of you. So it sounds silly if you've

(46:17):
never seen a dog attack where Vloss says put the bike in front
of you because you're like, well, he doesn't want to get the
bike. He would just come around it.
He's going to try to go through it and he's going to grab that
thing and bite it and shake his head and freak out.
And there's a good chance, like a a real chance, the dog kind of
exhausts itself attacking that bike.
And if you can keep the bike in front of it for long enough,

(46:38):
there's a good chance you could get out of there safely.
There's also a good chance the bike is the thing the dog was
after, again with the wheels being exciting.
Like I think there's a good chance they don't care about
you. They're attacking this weird
thing that is scaring. Yep, that's a really good point.
So anything you can do to put infront of you and the dog?

(47:00):
Anything you can use as a weapon?
I mentioned backpack earlier andlike I've heard people say
sweatshirt. Yeah, if you have time to get
your sweatshirt off, do it. Like, I think it's unlikely,
right? Like I said earlier, but if
you've got a dog running from a long way off and you're in a
field and you look and there's nowhere to go, then, yeah, take
your sweatshirt off and see if you can't get the dog to bite

(47:20):
that. And I would use that as like, I
would have it in front of me. I would probably two hand it.
And as the dog jumps up, you usethat for like, you know, a
target for it to bite onto. And that's why I asked, right?
Like in that situation, did he have the mind to be able to
switch gears and stuff? Because if, if you're scared
enough, you don't, right? If you didn't prepare for a

(47:43):
situation like that, you're not going to be thinking, you're
just going to be, you know, reacting.
There's two things with the after effects of an attack that
I'd like to discuss or at least hear what you guys think.
So the first one is, you know, alot of kids and adults after
getting attacked then have an irrational fear of dogs and

(48:05):
being attacked again. What are some things that you
think people could do to make sure that doesn't happen after
getting attacked? You know, like I have this
saying, and if this is not, you know, mental advice, so don't.
I'm not a psychologist, but one of the big things that I tell
everybody, because this could apply to kids or dogs is if the

(48:26):
last situation or the last interaction they had with a dog
was negative, That's where they become more fearful and and you
really start getting into the traumatized type of situation.
But if, let's say I had a dog that got jumped by a dog, but
then I was able to get that dog around other nice dogs that it

(48:49):
could play with, you know, the chances of a bit of it being
traumatized by dogs goes down dramatically because it also has
good experiences afterwards. And the same thing with kids,
you know, when they're scared ofdogs, whether they were bit or,
you know, one chased after them or something like that.
I mean, there's a lot of scary situations, right?
But getting that kid around other nice dogs, preferably

(49:13):
calmer dogs, but just, you know,just dogs in general can really
start to counteract the the innate fear that you're going to
have of whatever attacked you. It's like public speaking,
right? Like if you only do it once, it
sucks every time, right? But eventually you do it so

(49:33):
often it's not a thing. Yeah, Cubby, any additional
thoughts there? Specifically towards people like
you got attacked, how do you keep from being fearful of a
dog? What I've seen with people is
sometimes they're then scared ofthat type of dog.
So they're like, yeah, I'm fine with my like sister's gold and

(49:57):
that doesn't scare me, but I'll never trust a pit again or a
German shepherd or a whatever. And if you really want to get
past that, then it would be to go out there and meet nice dogs
of that breed. And that help happens to dogs
too, right? Like how many times have you
trained a dog where the person'slike, he hates white fluffy dogs
because he was attacked by whatever a Pyrenees when he was

(50:19):
young and deist. And until you get closure, that
dog might hate white fluffy dogsforever.
And you need to make some like fluffy friends for him, which is
hard when you're working with a client and you're like, we can
fix this. We need a lot of white fluffy
dogs though, so get on, get in your neighborhood a page and

(50:40):
find some white fluffy dogs to train with.
Figure out what's going on. Do you guys have neighborhood
pages? I should look into that and see
if there's a neighborhood page for where I'm at.
Yeah, there is. There's got to be for sure.
So do we want to move on to whatif a dog hasn't attacked you
yet? Yeah, let's do it.
I mean, there's so many stories we could share there.

(51:02):
I mean, but I can tell you one. So have you guys ever seen the
newer Jurassic Parks with Chris Pratt?
Remember the scene when the velociraptor goes like a guy
falls in the cage and Chris has to go in there with them?
Brady I think is his name in themovie and he uses strength, eye

(51:24):
contact. He backs up, he backs up, and
then when he gets a chance, he dives under the gate and gets
out of there. I am so ecstatic and impressed
that you know all of this information.
But yes, I have seen that movie.Oh, I love those movies.
They're amazing. Really.
Yeah, and I, Claire changed so much throughout the movies.
So much. Well, I got first.

(51:45):
She didn't even know how old herkids, or I mean not her niece
and nephews. Were.
And then pretty soon she's raising a, a girl that's not
even her child. Like good for her.
But anyways, you know, I watchedthat and I'm like, I've seen and
been in situations, not with velociraptors for the record,
but situations similar to that. So I mean, I can think of one.

(52:06):
I went to look at an American Bulldog once as a years ago and
it was a Johnson type. And I go in this backyard and
the dog was up like someone needed to take it one of those
scenarios. And I didn't know it was a
Johnson. I thought it thought it was a
Scott. And I was like, I just like
Scott type Bulldogs better, but whatever.
So it's like no way, no more. And the lady's like it's, you

(52:29):
know, whatever it's, you know, here.
So we go in the backyard and allof a son, this dog comes around
a corner and it's like, it probably weighs as much as I do,
right? Just huge dog.
And it comes walking to me. And as he's walking, his tail
goes up and he's staring at me. And you can imagine how I felt,
like, terrified, right? Like I'm looking at him like

(52:50):
this dog, this is not good. Like, how did I let myself get
in this situation? I'm smarter than this.
But you know, hindsight's 2020, I didn't think the dog was loose
in the yard and I didn't expect it to be a Junkyard Johnson
bulldog. So it comes walking to me and
everything I see about its posture makes me scared.
So I did not start screaming at it.

(53:11):
I did not charge it and kick it like because it had not decided
to attack me. But everything said this is
close to attacking me. I got this is not there's no way
I'm blood. This dog get up and smell me
like it's just not a chance. So I started backing up, but I
kept I am not going to turn my back and this is crucial to
people to think about. Do not turn your back If that

(53:31):
dog most dogs to prey upon weakness.
You turn your back, you look very weak.
So I started slowly backing up and I looked, I was looking
towards the dog, but not staringit in his eye.
I did not want to provoke him, but I also did not want to
appear weak. So for me was kind of split the
difference of I'm going to look that direction, but I'm

(53:52):
certainly not staring him in theeye.
And like trying to challenge this dog as we get a lot of
comments on YouTube on that video of like staring is
challenging. Like yes, but if the dog's
already attacked you, the challenge isn't even a word to
use anymore. You're going to fight for your
life. The challenge was accepted
already. This dog was, you know, as it

(54:13):
walked to me, I backed up and I tried to kind of back away at an
angle and I got closer and closer to the gate.
And then I felt behind me. I did not turn and look and I
felt behind me until I could feel the gate.
And as the dog was coming up closer and I was able to get the
gate open. And when I felt that gate was
open, I moved as quick as I possibly could, but I waited

(54:34):
until I felt like I was going tobe able to get through that
gate. And I can't remember how close
the dog was at that point, way too close for comfort.
I feel like he started 20 feet away.
And when we ended, he was like, I don't know, 3 or 4 feet, but
it felt even closer. And it was scary.
And as soon as I got that chance, I was through the gate.
I shut it. And the lady's like, don't
worry, he's friendly. He does not look super friendly.

(55:00):
And that's, you know, that was how I played that situation.
And maybe there's stuff I could have done differently, right?
But felt like it worked out and looking back I don't have
anything I would have done differently.
What are your thoughts on that? I think, you know, if you just
throw down some treats and show him that you love him, that

(55:21):
everything would have been on the up and up, You know, the
fact that you were challenging is the wrong move.
And part of this is knowing dog body language, right?
Like if the dog's tail is low and they're wagging their tail
and approaching you, it's different.
And if you don't know dog body language, I'd suggest listen or

(55:41):
watch our body language episode.We talk a lot about stuff like
this. But once they have, if they show
you with their body language that they're a tough, assertive
dog who's feeling assertive right, then you need to watch
out. I think that's the thing to
really kind of comment on, rightOne.
I probably would have tried to do the exact same thing.

(56:02):
I don't know if I would have been as smooth as you, but I
would have been trying to get away.
In my brain remembering it, it was smooth, you know?
Who knows what it looked like inreal life, right?
But the thing to remember is absolutely context matters,
right? He felt assertive in that
situation. Because I came into the yard, he
has full access of me and I havenothing.

(56:25):
I have no recourse and no good way to be able to kind of handle
that situation. So, you know, that's not to say
that you couldn't take that dog for a walk and everything been
fine or if you had met at a parkor something like that.
I just feel like a lot of peoplereally jump on the wrong
details, right? And the the details of this

(56:46):
story are in this situation. This is how he was feeling.
It was smarter to get away. A lot of people will say, oh,
well, it's just because it's an American bulldog that you hate
them and that's why you felt this way.
If it were a Chihuahua doing theexact same thing, you wouldn't
have felt that way. And like, no, if a dog has its
tail, you know, straight up, chest out staring and I'm going

(57:08):
to feel the same way no matter what the dog is.
And what I would say to that, and we've talked about this in
previous episodes, I mean, Firstoff, I love American Bulldogs,
but also that dog was big enoughto kill me.
A Chihuahua is not. So how much does dog weighed?
I don't know, but certainly north of 120.
But average is like 150, right? And I'm just guessing.

(57:31):
Obviously I didn't stick around to try to get him on a scale,
but you know that dog, like if we got into it, I, I don't know
about my odds. Like if it decided to attack my
odds of surviving that I think are pretty low if there's no one
to help out, right? A Chihuahua a little bit
different like a Chihuahua wouldit?

(57:52):
It'd have to be a really bad dayfor a Chihuahua to kill a full
grown adult. I'm sure it's happened somewhere
though. I mean, maybe it bites you, you
end up getting an infection and then.
Whenever you fell asleep on the couch and hit your Chihuahua was
like, today's the day. Yeah, today's the day, buddy.
So let's spend a little more time there on dogs that have not

(58:14):
attacked but are mean mugging you.
And you're thinking like, I don't know what to do here
because I've got some other things.
There was one thing I could havedone in that scenario that I
didn't choose as an option because of the size of the dog.
But anything else on on your brain of what you could do?
I, I think the smartest thing isnot presenting yourself as weak,

(58:39):
you know, and even retreating itwas, it has to be done in a
proper way, right? Again, I can slowly walk
backwards while, you know, presenting to the dog because
there's a lot of the times wherethe dogs are still making a
decision of maybe I, maybe I do want to try you.
Maybe I don't want to try you where if you turn around like

(59:02):
you said, then you've made the decision for them, right?
They just go. But the other thing is we've
seen and a lot of this, oh, thisis a lesser type of situation,
but we get it all the time from clients where it's like, wow,
the dog is responding to you waydifferently than any other of my
guests. And you know, I don't know what

(59:23):
it is and a lot of it is just. I'm claiming my own space, you
know, I'm letting the dogs know that I need some space and they
don't get to encroach. And that makes a difference to
dogs. Now, sometimes with some dogs,
yeah, that's a challenge and they'll be pissy, and we've had
that happen as well. But again, I'm guaranteed to

(59:47):
have a bad time if I tried to turn the run away if I'm not
that close to the gate. Or I at least have a good shot
to be able to, you know, like think my way through if I
present confidently to this. Dog, and that's key.
And I don't think I'd said that earlier.
I mentioned backing up, but keeping your body basically
square to the dog. You, you know, you want to look

(01:00:08):
as tough as you can and you're not trying to start a fight at
that point, but you want to looktougher where the dog seems, you
know, they're questioning whether they want to attack you
or not. Because sometimes it's all it
takes, you know, for a lot of times that's all it takes is,
you know, hey, that guy looks kind of tough.
Maybe. Maybe I'm not going to try it.

(01:00:30):
So the option I didn't go for there, you know, you guys know
this, but anytime I'm doing something with dogs that I'm
like that's planned, not just like a random walk, but
something like that, I'll have aleash with me and I'll either
wear it around my shoulders or maybe in my hand.
And that gives you two options. Dog goes to attack.
You could take the leash and offered as a target so you

(01:00:52):
couldn't hand to hand. And I'm talking about a nice
thick leather leash or a lot of times I'll keep it already made
into a slip lead. And if you don't know what I
mean, just think about like you take the leash and you put the
clip end through the small loop on the like the hold end of the
hand loop. And then now you make a slip
lead. And I would hold it so that if

(01:01:12):
the dog were to jump or get intoattack mode, you could get it
over the dog. And I was in a situation once
where I was working at a kennel and I I heard it commotion in
the kennel room itself and screaming, a girl screaming.
Then I ran in there and there was a dog that was attacking her
and it was like it was a good sized dog and she was small,

(01:01:34):
like, you know, teenage girl that was working there.
And it was like, you know, it had already bit her pretty bad
once and was like jumping and biting.
And I grabbed a cage and just like slid it across the floor
hard and like, you know, push the dog and push the dog against
the wall with the cage and had aleash over my shoulder.
So then I took the leash off as I was kind of pinning the dog
against the walls probably, I don't know, 70 like it was a lab

(01:01:58):
pit mix, 70 lbs or. Something decent size.
But different than 150, right? And then so made my leash into a
slip lead and got it over the dog's head and then was able to,
for lack of a better word, somewhat string the dog up a
little bit because it was still trying to attack at that point
until it started to run out of breath a little bit and was
pretty gassed. And then was able to put that

(01:02:19):
dog into a run and slam the doorshut.
And so the nobody was the dog was not injured.
And it was, I think, the safest way for the dog, but using the
tools at your disposal. And that crate was basically
like what you said earlier, lostabout the bike.
And it was something in between me and the dog for him to bite.
And don't underestimate how useful it would be if you can

(01:02:40):
get a dog on leash. But I would tell you if you
don't have a lot of dog experience, we're back to that
advice the guy was given earlier.
If you've never had an aggressive dog on leash before,
it might not help you a lot to get it on leash.
Yeah, that's fair. So just something to think
about, but having the leash in your hand for something to bite

(01:03:01):
is definitely a great option. Or even, you know, like, again,
if you went pure, you have coming at this like, I have no
experience, you know, having to deal with an aggressive dog on a
leash. But I have one.
I mean, I'm whipping that clip around to make the noise.
I'm slapping the ground with it.I mean, there's a lot of

(01:03:23):
intimidation stuff that you can still do with the leash without
ever having to actually make contact with the dog.
Sure. So it's better than nothing.
Yep, what else do we have? We've been at this an hour.
We've There's a lot of dog attack conversation going on
here. Time flies the only.
Thing we haven't talked about iscalling the authorities.

(01:03:46):
If you should call the authorities about a dog attack,
how you feel about that? All right.
You want to take this, Nelson? Do you want me to?
I can, I can take it at least you know, I I've changed quite a
bit. I have used to be never go to

(01:04:07):
the doctor, never call the cops,never do you know, like they're
don't get the authorities involved because you feel bad
for the dog or you feel bad for the people or, you know,
whatever the case might be, right.
I've since changed quite a bit, especially with this job,
because just hearing the the amount of dogs that we do a

(01:04:29):
first house call with and it's like, oh, this dog has bitten
three people inside my house andhas gotten out of my house three
times. And I'm like, yeah, call the
cops, dude. You know what?
It's not worth risking yourself risking your kids, risking other
kids, risking other dogs. There's just, there's a lot of

(01:04:51):
people that they understand thatthe situation is bad, but they
don't make any moves to fix it. And I'm not going to risk myself
for your lack of judgement. Agreed.
I think if you get bit by a dog you should absolutely be calling
the authorities. Get it recorded.
You don't know the situation, you don't know if that dog, if

(01:05:13):
it, if it's bit three other people, if it hasn't, if it has
been through other people, right, There's protocols that
they're putting that dog through.
If it hasn't, now it's in the system and it's known that that
dog has had issues so. I think it's time to doubt call
so much really. Maybe you're phrased it
differently than what you mean. Now that dog that tried to

(01:05:36):
attack us, we call 911 afterwards for sure.
To me, I mean that dog could kill a child right like that.
They need to be involved. The police need to be involved
100%, but I wouldn't draw the line and did the dog bite to me,
it's what's the scenario if the dog is like loose on the street,
what we're talking about today, like attacking people?
Yes, yeah, call the police. That's crazy like that.

(01:05:58):
Someone needs to do something. But if I'm training with a
client and the dog is has resource guarding and bite
someone over a resource, there'snot a chance I'm calling the
police. Agreed.
So those different circumstances, I was, I was
talking about what we've been talking about so far.
So I just wanted I was figuring,so I just want to make that
clarification. But yes, if strange dog
attacking people on the street, I think call a 911 is a 100.

(01:06:22):
I think you're not a good citizen if you don't, right?
Because I know you don't want that dog to get hurt, you know,
potentially. But if someone else is going to
get killed or someone else's dogis going to get killed, you
didn't save anybody by not called by 911.
So here's the situation I'll present to both of you.
Now, I'm biased in the situationbecause I really like the family

(01:06:42):
and I really like the dogs, but I was working with these dogs,
two of them and 1 was pretty sketchy with people coming over
to the house and then barked outof the fence incessantly.
You know, to my knowledge, I don't think it's actually bitten
anybody, but it's run and charged and jumped on people

(01:07:05):
inside the house. Now, I remember with the
situation, the dogs had gotten out, had run around the
neighborhood apparently more than once.
So, you know, like, that's points against them for sure,
But every time that these dogs run around, they bypass every

(01:07:27):
dog and every person. So they're just running free.
There hasn't been any attacks oranything like that.
Neighbors that have eventually called the cops said that
nothing happened. You know, the dogs ran right
past them, had no interest in them whatsoever.
Do you call the cops? For what?

(01:07:47):
For the dog being loose, you're a neighbor, you're watering your
lawn. You see these dogs running
loose, you don't know anything about them, but they bypass you.
They have no interest in you whatsoever.
Do you call the cops? So I wouldn't call the cops
there. I mean, if they're just running
loose and, and not really, I don't know, like you said going

(01:08:10):
after anybody or anything like that, I would be looking for the
owners, right? Sure.
Try and be like, hey, there's dogs loose, you know, or trying
to catch something. I don't think they'll be
thinking about calling the authorities in that situation.
I'd be trying to do one of thosetwo things.
Agreed. When the house that we currently
live in, when we first moved here, within the first couple

(01:08:31):
days, a strange pit, you know, kind of wandered into our yard.
And so I caught it. It wasn't didn't seem like a bad
dog, but still didn't trust it. Yeah, I don't know.
The dog got on a slip lead, no collar of any sort.
So I put it, I got a dog crate out, put the dog in the crate,
and I called animal control, youknow, said to me that was the

(01:08:53):
appropriate response. Now, could I have taken it to a
vet to have them, you know, check the microchip, you know,
certainly. But my thought is animal
control, that's their job. Is to.
Check the dog and if there'd been A tag and I could have
called the owner, then I would have called the owner and been
like, hey, I got your dog. Here he is.
He's in a crate. He's been well cared for.
There is no tag of any sort. And the dog, I don't think it

(01:09:15):
was a bad dog, but I wasn't about to let it or, you know,
wander free if I could stop it because of that dog safety, like
getting hit by a car. For all I know it's someone's
beloved pet who's super friendlyor maybe he didn't have any
issue with me, but he sees a strange, you know, another dog
and attacks that I have no idea.So my thought would be if you
have enough dog skill to get thedog, being a good human means

(01:09:39):
you should, and then, you know, figure out what to do from
there. So neighbors had called the
cops. It was a it was a pretty nice
neighborhood. So neighbors, neighbors called
the cops pretty pretty quickly. And then the the owners had
gotten in trouble a couple of times, had to do a court
appearance. That's got a court appearance

(01:10:00):
for a loose dog. Yeah, but again, these dogs have
gotten loose multiple times. So, and this was years and years
and years ago. Maybe there's a detail that I'm
forgetting, but I do remember that they had court appearances
and stuff like that. And that's a situation where I'd
be like, there's no way I'm calling the cops, right?
Like the dog bypassed me, had nointerest in me.

(01:10:23):
So it's not, you know, aggressive towards adults.
You know, obviously if I didn't have kids, I wouldn't know.
But you know, that would be a situation where, right I put try
and find an owner or get on Facebook and like, hey, there's
a loose dog. It looks like this and I saw it
over here, that kind of situation.
So, but you know, a contrary opinion there is when you call

(01:10:45):
the cops, what's your purpose for calling and what do you
think is going to happen? And if like, if my dogs were
running loose and someone calledthe cops, I'd be pretty happy,
right? Like I wouldn't want my dogs to
get hit by a car and die or likeget too far from home and not
wait and know their way back. So calling the cops is also not

(01:11:06):
doesn't you don't have to see itas like I want that person to
get a ticket. It can just be I would gladly
pay the ticket. I'd much rather pay a ticket and
my dogs are brought back to me safe than not pay a ticket and
maybe they're left out overnightand you can't find them.
Sure. I don't know if I would think
that if I saw a dog run by my house, I doubt I'm calling the

(01:11:29):
cops, but it's just something tothink about, right?
Is that Colin is not necessarilya penalty.
There is a penalty. I mean there is a ticket.
I don't know, I guess I shouldn't have said penalty.
Calling it is not necessarily meant to be a bad thing.
Sure, right? Like I want this person in
trouble. It could also be I'd like to
make sure they're safe. Yeah, and that's fair.

(01:11:52):
I don't know how much that ticket is.
Do you have any idea? I would say it's so town
specific and I would think most towns they're not going to give
a ticket if the dog doesn't havea history of escaping like an
accident, like the dogs get loose.
So I can't imagine most towns would write someone a ticket for
their dog accidentally got loose.

(01:12:15):
Great. I agree it was a frequent thing,
which is probably why these thisfamily had trouble the trouble
that they did have. Yeah, I think after the third
time the police officers might be like this is this doesn't
seem like an accident. This seems like this is getting
a little suspicious. All right, well, do we cover it

(01:12:36):
all? Are we done here?
That's all I got. All right, I hope this was
helpful to everybody listening. If you have questions, drop a
comment. We would love to either reply or
maybe cover. And if it's something too long
to type, we can maybe cover in afuture episode.
Awesome. I'll see you guys.
Thanks for watching everybody.

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