Interview with Evan Doggett

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Welcome to the pack you are officially.
In. Welcome to balance training with
suburban canine Vloss. Again, we didn't do it with the
the pump up music. I'm trying to get you to do it.
So I mean, we have a guest here so you can introduce him, but we

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have really exciting intro musicand our guest doesn't get to
hear it. We don't get to hear it.
It's it's hard to get pumped up when you don't have it.
It's so we can do our we can do our own too.
We could just like. See, that's what we need Evan
for beatboxing. Well, let's introduce some.
This is our main man, Evan Doggett from Doggett Style Dog

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Training. Welcome.
Thank you so much for having me.Yeah, man, excited to have you
on here. I think this should be a lot of
fun. Sorry you didn't get the full
treatment. Vloss.
Every week says we need we need music.
We need our music playing live, you know?
Before we start and you said full treatment, I thought you
meant like you send somebody forhair and makeup.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We do that too sometimes.
Did they not show up? No, no they didn't.
I had to turn my own mustache. And anyway, we're.
Here we must have thought you were.
We must have thought you were good looking enough.
Without it, yeah. Oh, well, that's a good.
Yeah, that's what I assumed. So correct.
Can't fix perfection? Well let's let's dive in.

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Tell, tell everyone about yourself.
What are you all about? What's your journey like?
When did you start dog training?Yeah, so I mean, everybody wants
to know real last name or not. And yes, I didn't change my
name. I was born into this world, Evan
Gordon Doggett. And my path kind of seemed like

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it would always be dog training,although it veered away around
16. My dad was a Mountie.
And so I, which in Canada, I'm from Canada by the way, and live
in Canada and my dad was a Mountie, so RC and PE and I got
to see my first canine unit around 7:00 or 8:00.
And I was like, I love dogs. And you know, I think my dad's

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job is super cool, chasing bad guys and riding horses and
driving cars fast, shooting guns.
What doesn't sound appealing to that to an 8 year old boy?
And so, but then, you know, as Isay, I grew up and realized that
my dad's career wasn't all fun. And I also, you know, went to
the dark side a little bit and had fun with drugs and
rock'n'roll and was a drummer. And I'd still am a drummer.

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Dropped the drugs and just dropped the drugs, still kept
the rock'n'roll. And so, you know, I kind of
veered away from dogs. But my very first paying job at
8 was mowing lawns. And then my second paying job at
10 was walking to Australian Shepherds for another Mountie

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after work and, you know, after school.
And so that was my job and, and I loved it and it was great.
And then, you know, high school and life.
And then I, I traveled after high school.
My parents said, you can't live here and we're not paying for
you to go to university because your grades are terrible and
you're not going to take it seriously.

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We're not just flushing our money.
So like, good luck. So I moved to Europe and
traveled around for a while, came back and I was always just
like, kind of like chasing St. dogs around, you know, like,
hey, I can help, you know, feeding St. dogs and all that
stuff. But didn't think anything about
dog training and lived in Colombia, Bogota, Colombia for a

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year teaching English as a second language and adopted my
own first dog. We had dogs growing up to
miniature poodles. And it's so funny when you think
back to your childhood dog's mind anyway, of like how messed
up they were and how easily theydidn't need to be messed up.
But like, my parents didn't go to a dog trainer.

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My parents didn't seek any help.They're just like, they're
broken and that's the way they are.
And anyway, when I got my own dog, he was a street dog,
purebred boxer looks exactly like a, you know, a boxer, a
boxer would. But my whole life, I grew up
allergic to dogs and cats. So that's why we had poodles.
And even then I had some allergies and then I went to

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this very small private shelter of clients of mine in Bogus at
Columbia. And I said, you know what dogs
you have available and they go just this boxer and I go, oh
man, I'm super allergic to shorthaired dogs.
Oh, well, guess I won't be allergic anymore.
And I've never been allergic to dogs ever since.
So how old were you at that time?

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22, 2122? So they do say that allergies
come secularly. I think that's the right word.
But I, I think it's mind over matter.
So for everybody out there that thinks they can't get a short
haired dog, just don't overthinkit.
Forget what your doctor says. Just will the allergies away.

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Just will the allergies away away.
Can't do that. We're there a fever season?
Were there issues at first or no?
Like you got the dog and no allergies or anything?
Nothing. But like, who knows?
You know, you're at like 5,000,000 meters of elevation
and all the other things, you know, you're in a completely
different country, different food, different everything.

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So in a different stage of my life and maybe my parents were
just lying to me my whole life, but like I would go to people's,
I would go to people's houses, especially cats, longer cats.
And now I have like, you know, at the most I had three cats in
her house and nine dogs and no issues.
So that was Bruno the boxer was like my intro to being a dog

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owner and everything. But he see, the thing about like
a street dog is they're easy. They're really easy, especially
when you live in that environment.
Like I did the whole North American thing.
I, I got them all healthy. I took him to the vet and did
the vaccines and whatever, even though he probably didn't need
anything and bought the most expensive vet food and did
everything that I thought was right.

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And then put a leash and a collar on him and he was 1000%
better as soon as I took the leash and the collar off like,
and he would just be fine. He knew the street rules.
I didn't have to teach that dog anything.
I'd be riding on my bicycle on aleash.
And then there would be like thepoles in the sidewalk to kind of
prevent people from driving on the sidewalks.

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And he would just come to the inside of the bicycle.
Like he was just, he just had St. smarts which you don't see
that often unless the dog is from the streets, grew up in the
streets or I mean he probably didn't grow up in the streets
but he was there for a while. And I just learned so much from
that dog. And I used to take him to work

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with me and he was the best. And unfortunately the one day I
left his collar on him, I would just open the door.
And I lived in the ghetto in Columbia because everyone in the
fancy area speaks English and I needed to learn Spanish.
So I moved to the hood and I opened the door everyday and
would let him go out and he would just do his own thing and

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come back in an hour or two. That was a routine that we had.
The one day I left his collar onhim, somebody clipped a leash on
to him and took him before I moved to home.
So that was a very sad departureof of Bruno.
Yeah, somebody saw him like a week later and they're like the
guy was clean cut. He had another dog with him.

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He looked like he was being welltaken care of.
That's the only time we've seen him.
And then I was moving back to Canada to go to university the
following week. So I I never got to find my dog,
but I came back, went to university, didn't exchange in
Argentina in my third year and came back.
And I was going through a lot ofjust personal stuff, just too

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much drinking and drugs and partying during university as
people do, especially in an exchange during an exchange.
And I was like, I know what I'lldo.
I'll get another dog. And then all I'll have to be
more responsible. I'll have to get my life
together, which you can drink and do drugs and party very well
with a dog. It's it's very manageable.
It did not solve anything, but it did start my journey.

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I started walking dogs for a local daycare.
I started working at a groomers and then I went and did the
Cesar Milan one week boot camp thing and I was just affirmed
after that week that like, I don't want to do anything else
but this. That was the very beginning.
That's up up to age 20, whatever.
Well, let's let's test your Spanish.

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What's Spanish for dog? Got you know, that's the only
word I didn't learn. Barrow Burrito.
Wow. OK, you're not faking it.
You know this stuff. Yeah.
Story checks out. Roll bar and everything.
Roll dar and everything. I'm trying to teach my kids
Spanish right now. My wife is French from Quebec.

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And so they have that like that like whole throaty thing down
and they're they're slow to the roll dars.
We'll get, we'll get them there.Have you played with Duolingo at
all? Yeah.
Yeah, my kids love that. It's pretty amazing, you know,
makes it fun for them and you can learn a decent amount on

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there. Yeah, totally.
The way that it's structure makes no sense.
But like, in terms of like beingable to speak at some point,
it's, it's challenging, but it'sso cartoony and fun and
engaging. Kids love it.
It's it's a really great place to start.
And like, nobody wants language to be boring.
And you know, here, let's start with grammar, you know?

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My, my kids consider it like a reward.
We're not big on technology in our family.
And so it's when they get to play it, it's like, yes, we get
to play. So it's not you have to go learn
Spanish. They are like desperate for the
chance to play it. Pretty awesome.
That's cool, very cool. Sometimes they're going to
figure out we're tricking them, but.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a void.
Not yet. All right, so that brought us up

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to early 20s. So I mean, what is it you do
now? You're a dog trainer.
How do you spend your time? What do you what do you do on a
daily basis? On a daily basis now, I try to
make content, I try to help people online.
A lot of online coaching I stilldo in person lessons sometimes,

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but I'm really this next big push in my just evolution of
doing this is doing educational content and funny, relatable
content that has an underlining layer of truth and a lesson
there, but just approaching it just as humorously as possible.
Because I think a lot of the content out there, which is

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fine, it's it's People's Choice and not everybody.
I mean, some people have terrible senses of humor.
They don't find anything funny and yet they try and God love
them. But you know, their job is to is
to talk to the straight laced people that don't think life
should be fun. And I think my job is to kind of
lighten things up a little bit and, and to poke fun at how

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certain pet parents are with their with their dogs, because I
think dog trainers take dog training so seriously to the
point where some people, and I think it's a personality thing
and and how life choice, temporary life choice is to like
shame people. But that's not how in my
experience, I've, I've never been shamed and then was like

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motivated to change. I might have had a resentful F
you, I'm going to prove you wrong, Which I mean, look at
almost all the greats, Michael Jordan and all these people.
They always had somebody that was like, you suck.
And they're like, I'm going to show you.
But those people also had a great support system, right?

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And those people also had a master coach to bring them to
that next level. A lot of people sitting at home
hearing on social media, you don't deserve to have a dog if
you only play fetch in your backyard.
And they're like, Oh my God, like I didn't.
First of all, I didn't know thatfetch in my backyard alone was a
problem. And second of all, you don't

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know me. Maybe I, you know, maybe I have
a terrible life situation that'sreally hard and I'm a single mom
and I'm all these other things. So I try to educate and motivate
through humor and fun and serious stuff too.
Like it's and sometimes I, I, I mix the two together that it's

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like too serious of a topic and I try to go on the funny side.
And but that's why I'm married to the woman that I'm married to
because she goes, you missed on that one.
Don't post it. Redo this one and come back.
So that's that's my whole shtickis trying to teach through
humor, fun, excitement, and all the little areas that interest
me along the way. So that could be like your new

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catch phrase, teaching through fun, not through shame.
Just kind of sums it all up. Shame comes after fun.
When I can't when I can't make the video work, I'm going to go
straight to shame. And no question, and we see it a
lot of course with different rescues, which of course are
well meaning, but people are shamed for trying to get a dog

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when they're a single parent or both people work or they have a
kid under 9 in the. Whole Oh really?
Who knows what? What was that that?
Rescues are doing that like shelters and stuff.
Yeah. So I don't know, do you feel
like you see you don't see that much in Canada, I.
Don't know, Everyone's a little bit happier in Canada.
Not in Toronto, not in Toronto, but like it.

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Canada's a different and I'm in the East Coast of Canada.
So it's like it's very different.
Everything moves like if the speed limit says 50, people are
doing 35. And like if there's no, if
there's no crosswalk and someonewants to cross the road,
everyone stops. The person waves, you wave back
to them. You know, it's not to say that
there's not road rage incidents.I had, you know, somebody get

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out of their car and and try to fight me the other day for the
first time in my entire life. But that guy's known to have
problems. So we.
Even stopped there for a second.Did did you get out or what
happened? I got out to see if he was OK.
I almost got rear-ended and it was a spot that everyone stopped
because there were tourists turning left where you can't
turn left. And so I almost got rear-ended

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and then and then but I didn't. And so I kept driving and I was
like, yeah, I mean, you know, nobody has ever stopped here
ever where, where it is. And you gain speed because
you're like almost about to turnonto the highway anyway.
So I almost get rear-ended. But then I keep driving and I
watch him in my rearview mirror and he went off the road 6 times
in like half a kilometer, like not a couple 100 meters, like

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not very far. And so then he goes to turn
around. So I whip around and pull up
beside him or like, you know, get out of my car to go.
Are you OK? Like is the person having a
stroke? Are they drunk?
It like what's going on? You went off the road way too
many times and almost rear-endedus.
And he started swearing at me and I was like, all right.
And he kind of seemed a little drunk.

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So I went and I took a picture of his license plate and he
goes, if you take a picture of my license plate, I'm going to
punch in the effing face. And he and then, and so I went
and took the picture and then I kind of scooted back to my car
and he got out of the car. If he punched me in the face, we
would not be here today. He was the biggest man I've seen
in a while. And I'm really glad that I

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installed like the dash cams 3 days prior to that because I got
it all on all on video. But anyway, yeah, I'm a very
like avoid conflict kind of person.
So he's the I don't think he's from Canada.
I think he's, I think he's not from Canada.
Is, is this story I'm sticking to.
And so he's he's, he's from an angry place in the world and so.

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Here's the thing, Yeah, I said at the start, Evan, we don't
have many ground rules. We can talk about anything, but
one rule we have is we don't usethe metric system on the spot.
So how many feet was he from Youlike a. 100.
Feet or 200? You got you got about 4 1/2 feet
away from me before I got my carso that I'm quicker than he was.

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So if you're watching Angry Man,I feel I'll pray for you.
That is something I'm glad you're safe.
I don't know how we got there, but but people are, people are
pretty chill here, happy. Do you remember how we got to
this point? Oh, I had said something about
rescues shaming. Rescues shaming people.

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So tell me about this, because what I hear is like, you don't,
you don't have a fenced in backyard.
That was that, that was the thing that used to happen a lot
was like, if you don't have a perfectly fenced backyard, we're
not adopting a dog to you, whichis crazy.

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And, and I've stopped hearing that since then, 'cause like
what, what if you live in an apartment or whatever And, and
that it's like, we're full, please take a dog.
It's not, I don't, I don't hear a lot of that.
But I've started rescues and left those rescues, 2 of them
because of conflict of interest of conflict of how they were

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raped. How they were.
Choosing to deal with problems and also deciding a big one that
I left. The first rescue that I started
health start rather was they were spaying and neutering
puppies at like 5 and six weeks old.
And I was like, we can just get them to sign a contract.
I'm sure you guys have worked with these dogs like they are

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almost unfixable. I, I, I've come up with a few
health solutions prior to training, but they are extremely
neurotic. The extremely skittish they are.
They just have extremes in theirbehaviors and they can't self
regulate because they, they never grew up with any amount of
hormones and it's a major surgery as a baby.

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And so that's my experience with, with that.
And, and so that was very challenging.
And then dealing with euthanizing dogs that didn't
need to be euthanized that, you know, anyway, different things
like that. But I'm interested in in, in
what your shelters are saying and why they would stop people
from I mean, not everybody should have a dog totally.

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So, you know, we see. A big slice of the country
because we've got trainers around the country.
So it's you hear different things in different cities,
right? Even within the US So we hear
different things from Phoenix than we do from Philadelphia,
than from Dallas or Chicago. But I hear a lot from different
rescues and I've heard this for years and it still happens where

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people are shamed. The the no fenced in yard is one
thing, but if both spouses work or if they work someone works
too much or they have kids in the house and there's just all
these rules and a lot of times it's not explained in a caring
way. It's kind of like, why?
Why would you think you could get a dog?
And I think some of the rescues,like I don't judge them as

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they're not bad people, Of course.
They're just, I think they're burned out, they're overworked,
they get inquiries and they're just like, no, here's why.
But it doesn't come across very empathetic.
And it comes across, and this happened to some good friends of
mine, like, I don't know, two months ago.
They both work, they're doctors,but one works from home.
The other is contract work, likeworks when he chooses to.

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They have three kids that are like 810 and 15, really nice
kids that know how to be around dogs.
And rescues kept turning them down.
So I helped them pick out a purebred golden and that's their
dog now and that they wanted to rescue and they got turned down
like 3 times. Oh my God, yeah.
And it's just. And they were.
So burned out and like then the kids were sad because they'd go
to a rescue and they're like, yeah, no, you're not getting a

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dog. Here's why.
And then it kind of makes you feel like maybe I'm a bad
person, right? Like why?
Maybe I shouldn't be getting a dog so.
And these are like. Really nice people and they were
just burned out by and I know, but it happens all the time and
the people with the. Resources too, that could say 2
doctors can afford a dog Walker,they can afford private

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training, they can afford these things that maybe, yeah, maybe
you don't have time. And a lot of people, I don't
think it's that they don't have time.
Often times I'll tell people youmight need to make lifestyle
changes. Like I know you really like HBO
and Netflix and Prime and Hulu, but like, give up two of them,
get up half an hour earlier, go to bed half an hour earlier, get

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a treadmill. Do you have space for a
treadmill? No, there's dog walkers.
There's different things that wecan do to fulfill this dog that
it doesn't need to involve agility class in this like huge
commitment to not that agility class is bad, but I think a lot
of times rescues are, are often run and operated by a purely

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positive mindset of, of a training approach.
And therefore the biggest thing you I ever hear is like, do
agility, do scent work and it's like, OK, that's an hour once a
week. Let's do something more
sustainable and you need to havea lot of knowledge and, and, and
all of that. And what if you don't want to be
in an arena with a bunch of barking border collies?
Like that's, you know, there, there are.

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So there are there are options. There are other options.
I love the treadmill option. They make these tiny little dog
treadmills now and yeah, lots ofdifferent options to to fulfill
the dog. Let's spend a.
Second there, just out of curiosity.
So we treadmill train a lot of dogs.
I always have my clients just give they don't have one getting

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used treadmill off of you know, Facebook marketplace or whatever
because people like give them away.
Tell me about the dog treadmill though, specifically the one
you're talking about. Well, like the.
Dog Pacer is a brand. Everything's way more expensive
in Canada. It's harder to get things.
I often do. I mean, we're not, you know, New
Zealand, but it's like there aresome brands here that are better

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priced. And then ultimately it's like if
you have the space, just go to Facebook Marketplace, like, but
some people live in apartments and you can get these tiny
little profile ones that fit under your couch and they work,
you know, they, they absolutely work.
I've seen people make the the like carpet style slap mill ones

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where it's like self-propelled by the dog, but you need a drive
E doll to do that. You know, it's, that's not going
to work for any dachshunds that I know.
And so, yeah, that's a that's a huge one for little apartment
dogs. And then if you, as your dog
gets bigger, like I would probably, I would follow the
wait guideline. But that's where I think for for

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most, for most dogs, and especially if you're just using
it for your dog, I feel like somebody could come up with and
figure out how to like cut the top half of the treadmill off
and just, you know, like get allthat wiring in into the base.
It's just, you know, it's just got to be wiring up one side and
then it's this giant thing. But really, it could be a lot

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lower to the ground. And like you said, you can get
them super, super cheap. When I had a big facility, I
always thought about like, I should just hire somebody to
drive around to pick up treadmills and drop them.
I have this dog treadmill service of just pick up and drop
off. The number of $5000 treadmills
that just end up in the dump is wild.
So yeah, it's shocking. How cheap you can get them

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because people have them, don't use them, and then they just
want it out. Yeah.
Come and get it. Yeah, the dog.
Ones down here in Florida are popular because we have a lot of
the van life people or people living in in campers and that
type of thing and not having theupright is really important.
So living down here, I've come to see those quite a bit more
than when we were up in the Chicago land area, and we just

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go, get, go get one off of, I was going to say Craigslist, but
I guess that dates me quite a bit, doesn't it?
I think Craig's still going. We have Kijiji here.
Craigslist is used for other things in Canada.
Kijiji. Kijiji.
It's the worst, the worst, worstname.
Kijiji. Is there a do?
People shorten it and say like Gigi or something like that.

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That's your that's your neighborfrom down the road.
Yeah, I'm going to do that. Next time I'm in Canada, I'm
like, dude, did you get that on Gigi?
And they'll be like, excuse me, Sir, we don't say that.
So what brands? What brands are you seeing that
work really well, Matt or whoever?

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Which Matt? Me which?
Yeah. Exactly.
I just, you know, I. Haven't paid as much attention
to the brand names of them. I've just, I've seen them a lot
more down here and I'm not, I'm not used to that.
So I've, I've been down in Florida for a couple of years
now. And like I said, I've always
just told people, hey, go online, pick one up people buy
them to work out and then they don't work out.
So you get a really cheap treadmill.

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And how do you guys go about? Training the dogs to the
treadmill. Would you guys have a process?
Yeah. I mean super dog dependent of
course, right? Because like you mentioned the
drive E dog, some dogs you just Simply put them on there, have
the owner crouched down in front, talk to them, have them
on a leash and collar, turn it on slow and you're like 5

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minutes later. The dog's like this is amazing.
I love this. So most of the dogs, I feel like
it's super easy, you know, use some motivation to get them
going forward. Could be owner.
Sometimes it's owner with treats, especially the dog is
fearful. If they're really fearful, then
I'll have the owner practice forlike a week or so of get them on
and off the treadmill to have like a place.

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Treadmill. What was that?
Do it like a place. Command almost sure.
Yep, just get. On get off and then have them
see it running and like have them hear the noise, get used to
it. And then I want to be there the
first time we do this and usually I'll stand there like
almost in a heel command so I'm right next to him with leash and
collar on Owners talking, Crouchdown, lots of praise and

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excitement. And then we thinking on slowly
and then kind of build speed from there.
Nice. Do you like to have it against a
wall or not against a wall? If I.
Can I love it one side? So if I'm, you know, if the
dog's healing on my left, I'd have the left side of the
treadmill against a wall. So they don't want to jump that
way. So they think about coming

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towards your legs. You can kind of gently guide
them back on. So the way I do it is I like to
do a lot of just like, you know,if the, if it's like, if we're
talking about a lab under six months, I just take a semi
valuable piece of food and we'rejust on there going right away.
I straddle the dog and the food's about 6 inches away from

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their face. Do you know what inches are?
Do you need that in centimeters?And so it's just in front of
their face and I just start it at like super, super low collar
on the dog, never a flat collar in case they like back out of
it. I don't want the dog to at any
point panic and run off the thing.

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And so that's pretty controlled,but I'm straddling them.
Whatever, a challenging dog or anoise sensitive dog, I'll have
them as far away as I can from the treadmill.
See, I, I did a lot of gun dog training and stuff.
We can get back to the rest of my story.
It's a pretty diverse backgroundof of training, but in gun dogs,
where you want to start a dog toto be used to eventually a 12

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gauge shotgun right beside them is start with a much smaller
sound as far away as possible that they almost don't
acknowledge their that they don't acknowledge, but almost to
the point where they can't even hear it.
It should just be a pop and thatcould be a cap gun, you know,
into a pillow far away. So same idea with the treadmill

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is like the beeps are happening while you're also doing
something else. And whatever that something else
is, the more fun it is and the more distracting it is, the more
noisy I can make the treadmill. I can have somebody on the
treadmill, but all the beeps mean nothing.
It's just kind of desensitized to that.

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And then and then we'll do placetraining with the dog.
And I really try to be as intentional as possible of like
you get on from the back and youget off on the left side, you
get on from the back, you go to get off from the left side.
So there's no like running through with the front, but I've
learned that if you put the treadmill too close to the wall,

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they won't move forward, right? Or they really resist to move
forward. And there's always going to be
for most dogs, unless they're sooblivious to what's happening
because they're so concentrated on the food.
Like puppies learn this in a very short period of time
because they're just so food motivated and the world is all
new, but a lot of dogs will go, Oh my God, why is the floor

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moving under me? Right.
And and so it's that little bit of a stress moment, but I go on
for a millisecond, immediately off reward, get off and just
cycle through. And then I find the big trick
with this stressed out dogs is just to get through it as fast
as possible. Once you've committed to turning

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the turning it on that it's on, it's off.
You can take a little break, come on, off, take a little
break. And then it's get up to trot
pace so that they're so that they're not digging in or
holding. And that might mean some leash
pressure to go, Hey, when you try to go backwards or stop it,
the leash tightens and it might be on a prong call or it might

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be on a slip lead. It might be on a harness, not
the like front pinching elbow ornot, you know like the no pull
harnesses, never one of those, but even an X back if it's a
small dog. But just basically that doesn't
work and the treadmill is going to keep going.
And then before long they just start.
They just start picking up the pace and I'll give them about 10

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seconds and then off you go. And, and that might be it for
the day, right? And we, it might have taken us a
week to get to that point for the, the really stressed out
ones, but I've taken dogs that were like extremely stressed
and, and done it in two or threesessions in within an hour of
like, you're going to get on this thing, it's going to move.
It's not going to be fun. I know it sucks, but eventually

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it's going to be really fun and it's going to be your source of
endorphins and dopamine and maybe even adrenaline, depending
on what that reward is going to be after you do it.
And very quickly I try to phase out a food because I find that
the dogs, they don't know where they're going.
Like they, they're not focused if you have food right to their

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nose all the time. And so I like to put that food
up or, and in the cup holder or completely away before long.
And just this is the activity. And then, man, I had dogs
running on the thing wide open for 45 minutes, no leash, no
nothing. Just they wanted to, you know,
you see those like slap mill dogs that are like, get me on
this thing. It can be the same thing for a

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treadmill, but you, you know, you have to still be in the room
because they can go flying off and try to jump off sideways.
And that's a big one that like, you're not allowed to come off
until I stop this thing and until I say break.
So one thing you said. That I, I find important is, you
know, when you have those dogs that are trickier, getting them

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up to that trot speed sort of asquickly as you can after you've
established stuff. That's something I've always
found important. And for me, a lot of dogs that's
like around 3 mph. I think now it's going to depend
on, you know, their size, like their, their leg length and
everything. But I've always found that to be
important like once you can get them up to that trot pace, a lot
of things sort of fall into place from there.

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But. Slower than that is tricky
because they're like, I think I'll get off now, I think I'll
do this. And so it just puts them in that
pace mode. And I think it's better that
your dog goes on a treadmill a couple times a week, then that
extra walk outside because it iton leash rather like they're not
moving fast enough on a leash. I forget what the, the mile, you

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know, it's like we walk 2 miles an hour and they're walking 3
1/2 miles an hour and it's like,oh, that's a big difference.
Sorry for all the Canadians out there.
We don't, but I was just going to say I should have.
Said it in kilometers, but I don't know what 3 miles an hour
is. In kilometers, it's going to be
an ongoing theme. So so yeah, it's like your dog
needs to be. That's why I'm such a huge

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proponent of E collar training and off leash training.
It's it's something that I have done for over a decade and I did
it all wrong to begin with. I try to do it by myself.
I tried to do it with advice from old guys and bad tools and
not that old guys don't know stuff, but they're used to just

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punitive training a lot of them and no food, no nothing.
And and learned, learned the hard way.
So now it's about, you know, having the right tools and doing
it the right way as well. But I I think every dog should
be off leash, should be off leash trained properly. 100%.

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Agreement. So many problems either get
fixed or are mostly fixed by simply giving the dog enough
exercise and all of a sudden youstart to find out the front door
is not so bad. Or 10 other things that used to
be an issue. Yeah, they don't want.
To run away when you give them achance to, you know, when
they're when they're off leash and and they're tired, you don't

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get as much explosivity. I mean, I've got four dogs right
now, and if they don't get out and off leash in the morning, by
noon, I'm like these dogs, you know?
And there's only so many things I can do with them
alternatively, right? There's only so much don't do
this or do this instead. I can do.

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I mean, it's what they were designed to do.
I've got a lab, a Pitbull, a Cairn terrier and a German
shepherd. But those are all working dogs
and and they know it and they want to go and it doesn't take
that long. I don't run them that long, but
they have their complete free. I'm not asking you to do
anything. Go and sniff and explore and and

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then they have their like fetch time and and then I incorporated
a little bit of obedience with that so that I'm still relevant
and that when I needed it, it it's there and then they're
they're good. Now I realized that I'm very
blessed in saying that not everybody has what I have access
to, but. I think doing it a.

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Couple of times a week is betterthan nothing or even once a week
of, of, and maybe for some people that's asking a farmer
for some private land and bringing them a, a, a case of
beer or some tea or or whatever it is that that person, you
know, be kind to those people that are, that are being kind to
you. And but I get that on on YouTube
quite a bit as like it's illegalfor me to have my dog off leash

(35:39):
anywhere in this state. And I'm like, that doesn't sound
right, but I don't know. Is that actually the case when
we get the? Same comment a lot in some of
our off leash videos. And you mean yes in the sense
that public property you can't have your dog off leash unless
it's a dog park to your point offind a farmer's field or

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something. You can certainly let him run
off leash on private property ifyou can find someone right who
who lets you do it. And, you know, what we coach our
clients on is, you know, you need to know your area and you
need to know how strict the rules are.
And I encourage people like it, you know, talk to a sheriff in
your area and chat with them because very often they'll tell

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you we're not looking to give someone a ticket whose dog is
off leash and listening to them in an area where they're not
crowding other dogs. You know, you have your dog off
leash running up to people in town.
That's going to be an issue, right?
But you're at a forest preserve in like A5 acre field and you're
working your dog off leash and it's not going up to anyone, you

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know, So we do that with clientsevery single day in areas where
I'm sure it's technically illegal and never get hassled
for it, but we're respectful anddon't ever let the dog run up to
someone else. Yeah, the.
The point is under control, right?
That's that, that that's a big thing.
And I get to see that early on. So after I did the Cesar Milan

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thing, my plan was to go out there, go back to California.
But instead I went to British Columbia, which is just north of
Oregon, and trained hunting dogsfor a while and did grooming
professionally for a year. And in that gun dog side of
things, that's where I got to learn, you know, how important
it is for dogs to be off leash and under control because people

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would come up to the basically branch and have zero off leash
control. And there's guns involved and,
and dogs are just going to do genetically what they're bred to
do. And so they're chasing quail and
pheasants and bunnies and stuff and they just do not come back
until they're done that job. And depending on the drive of
the dog and how much pent up energy they have, they they go

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crazy and then they end up doingthings like blowing cruciate
ligaments and stuff, which has alot also to do with early spay
and neuter. But yeah, the gundog thing was
was a lot of fun for a lot of years.
And I learned, learned a lot of what not to do as well.
I think that's really important.But with dog trainers, as
they're going through their journey is working with people

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that even if you know you disagree with them as like go
and learn from them because there are things that you will
learn that you want to do, but also learning what you don't
want to do, how you don't want to talk to clients.
That was a huge part of that journey.
Yeah, well, let's. Dive back into into your story.
So you did the gundog thing. Did the gundog.
Thing and for almost a year cameback and then got a lab,

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competed with her while I was still doing my own thing and
then did a mentorship with Duke Ferguson for about 5 years and
that was an amazing journey. He went and worked with Bart
Bell and during that time and I was learning everything from a
bit of detection, tracking, bitework and a lot of obedience.

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Then in that process, in that time, I really got invested in
learning about health, dog health.
My main dog Rush that lives forever on in the logo got
cancer and, and, and, and subsequently died.
And in that, that was, I always say that was Rush's last lesson
that that he taught me was like,it forced me to learn not only

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the signs of a sick dog better, which I was learning along the
way, because so many behavior mod cases are like the dogs just
not feeling well. And and you can't act well when
you feel like garbage when you're, you're, you're either
actively fighting something, maybe a toothache, a rotten
tooth is a huge thing with random aggression.

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And so I really dove into the the health side of things, which
I think in the gun dog world gets missed a lot for some
reason. It's just kind of like they're a
working dog and you have feed them kibble alone and, and
that's it. That's what I saw a lot.
But I think a lot has changed. I mean, I've been doing this for
about 14 years and I think a lotof people are opening the rise

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to more balance training to better nutrition, to different
health protocols. It's been an interesting.
Interesting journey so far to see the shift in the public view
than in dog trainers views on onthings of, you know, I only
learned from this style of trainer versus like you can
learn a ton from like I was saying, the old school of maybe

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what you don't want to do, but they've got good old tricks, you
know, and then purely purely positive trainers that are so
purely positive. They don't even believe in
clickers because the sound mightbe aversive.
I've gone and done learned from those people.
I think it's very valuable to see what you can, what you can
take from that. So.
Clickers. Too much, too scary.

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I'm, I'm serious when I said that.
So you know that I've worked with somebody that was like,
Nope, it's too aggressive. And I'm like, OK, well, and then
I watched her own German shepherd try to bite her in the
face. And I was like, OK, that's
that's too far on that side too.You know, maybe you should use a
clicker. You know, let's look for a
middle ground. Yeah.
Yeah. So that was there's, you know,

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you can learn a lot from everybody if you're, if you're
open to it. 100%. So where do you see dog training
going over the next 5 or 10 years?
Oh man, I I. Think about that in terms of
where we at in the pendulum swing.
I don't think we've hit the Met.It's headed towards no tools.

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It's headed towards. No.
Aversives, it's where it's been going.
I mean it was the other extreme,but I think the word science is
a loaded weapon. I think people don't understand
what's happening in the studies,that they are not peer reviewed,

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that they are submission based by pet owners, that I mean,
we're all pet owners. But the only difference between
me and somebody who's not a professional dog trainer is
their level of experience. And you know, I've spent
probably, I don't even want to guess 10's and 10's and 10's and
10's and 10s of thousands of dollars going to work from

(42:09):
reading books, taking courses. But I wasn't born with any of
this knowledge. And it's a different species.
So if you gave me a monkey and you were like, how happy is this
monkey or how happy is this goldfish?
Or how did that goldfish or monkey respond to this adversive
or to this positive? I'm guessing I don't know
because I don't know. I've never lived with a monkey.

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And so it's it's very challenging to then as a
professional to see the results of something and then see a
whole school of of people say, yeah, well, it was a scientific
study that was done and they didn't read it or they're
misinterpreting it. Another scientific study that
was done what on on dogs was that to prove basically that

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garlic is poisonous for dogs. Well, what they did with those
dogs is they fasted them for seven days, six or seven days
before they started the trial and then gave them a garlic
concentrate until they died. And so you can prove any point
if you want, right? They did this with green tea.

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Maybe it's green tea that I'm thinking of the one until they
died with avocados, right? Like there's so many.
It was the pits that they were feeding them, but they, but even
then those dogs improved in a lot of health markers and they
were feeding whole ground avocados.
But yet, you know, you'll hear avocados are poisonous for dogs,

(43:38):
or garlic is poisonous for dogs or mushrooms are poisonous for
dogs. Yeah, mushrooms that will that
are poisonous will poison your dog.
And mushrooms that are good for your dog like lion's mane and
reishi and you know, literally all the ones that are medicinal
and that humans take. And we know so much more about
this now will have benefits for your dog, but it's also like

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significantly smaller than most people.
So it's in proportion. It's in recent in, in, in
relation to their size. And how was their microbiome to
begin with? Are they able to digest the
food? Are they able to handle it?
Do they have the bacteria to break down raw food or don't
they? So there's a lot of things in
this question of where is dog training going?

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The word science is pretty catchy and, and, and whatnot,
but it's, it's, it's going to anextreme.
And here's The thing is like, it's so easy to say to someone
who doesn't even own a dog. Shock collars, good or bad,
everyone's going to say bad, Everyone's going to say bad.
It's like, you know, should teachers be allowed to, you

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know, I don't know, hit kids with rulers?
No, they they shouldn't. And they I think that's the
assumption is that it's just like you're just whacking your
dog with his tool. Not to say that people don't,
but it's so it's an easy it's aneasy thing to say.
That's bad too, whether you haveany education or no education.

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And years ago I said the same thing.
I mean, you look at a prong caller, I as you, you can't in
good conscious look at somethinglike that and go, oh, that's,
that's wonderful. Like the the I don't know if in
good conscious is the right thing, but nobody looks at that
tool. It looks like a medieval torture
device. Of course it does.

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But when you understand how it works and how to introduce it
properly, it is an absolute lifesaving tool for the dog and the
people for the dog because they get to keep their home.
So many dogs. I would, I've been saying this
for years. I think 50% of dogs wouldn't be
in shelters if everybody startedtheir dog off at around 5:00 to

(45:56):
six months. I mean, it depends on the dog,
but somewhere between 5:00 and eight months of age with a prong
collar and food. A properly fitted prong collar
with a safety and had you know 5minutes of instruction whether
that came from a YouTube video or not and you learn the safety
protocols if you don't leave it on all the time.
I think there would be at least half the amount of dogs in the

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shelters. Am I crazy in saying that or or
what do you guys think? I don't think so at.
All I agree with you because people try to start at the
finish line is what I see and you know, so they have this dog
they do literally nothing with it and then they're like this
dog's crazy. He won't come watch and you're
they're called it in the backyard.
The dog's running around barking, having the time of it's

(46:40):
life like, but he never learnt heal or sit or literally
anything how to listen when you need him to.
And now he's off leash having a party.
Of course he's not going to listen.
And yes, I'm in a prom collar. Some sort of initial training,
of course, makes such a difference.
And very few of the dogs in the shelters, the only ones I see
that you look at that, you're like, yeah, you're actually kind

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of a bad dog. Those are the ones who, at least
the ones I see, they're either really, really, really poorly
bred and from fighting lines or something like that, or they've
gotten that way in the shelter. And that's not knocking the
shelter. That's just the life, right?
The dog has been living there. And some, when they're
institutionalized, can't handle it, right?

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But the majority of dogs are nothard or bad animals.
So you do, like you said, you doliterally anything with them and
they're going to be great. Yeah, there's.
Hope for just about every dog and even the even the bad ones
that are straight up aggressive.They're good dogs at fighting,
you know, But like most people just don't want a dog that

(47:44):
fights and the people that do shouldn't have a dog.
And so genetics plays a huge, huge factor.
It's, in my opinion, it's the start of the questioning, right?
As dog trainers, I always tell people I'm a professional
suggestionist. I, I'm, I'm guessing at what's
going on most of the time. And then I'm making suggestions
based on that professional guessas to what is happening and what

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the right path of, of fixing that behavior is.
And that's come from, you know, I think a lot of dog trainers
early on are very insecure aboutthis because they don't, they
don't have the experience yet. And that's fine.
And that's why I think every dogtrainer should get a mentor in
in, in the beginning because youcan learn from their mistakes.

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And just like the pet owners need to get a professional dog
trainer with some level of experience.
And if they don't have much experience, who are they asking
when they're unsure? The question is, do they have a
mentor in their, in their corner?
Because I used to think all kinds of thoughts that I no
longer believe because I have the evidence to show otherwise,

(48:51):
right? Without a doubt.
And I think any of us, if we think exactly the same way we
did 15 years ago, assuming that you've been in the business that
long, that's a problem, right? If you haven't evolved in 15
years at all, that's pretty bonkers.
And that should be the. Same for any field, right?
Not just dog training, no matterwhat you're doing.

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Yeah, and I see. It a lot in like the medical
field and the vet field of like you're saying the same thing
that you said X number of years ago.
I've got 2 clients that they're both doctors, husband and wife.
They're doctors and they're in their.
Late. 70s, early 80s. And they were asking me medical

(49:34):
questions about their dog. And they're like, there you go.
Why is his penis so goopy? And I was like, OK, we're going
to start there today. Sounds good.
Nice to see you. Well, I'm not exactly sure why,
but let's look at what you're feeding them.
I assume it's probably similar to when someone comes into your

(49:56):
office with a goopy penis. You might ask them what their
lifestyle choices are and maybe even how much Pepsi they're
drinking or if they only eat KFCor or what's going on and they
give you a. Goopy Penis.
KFC. Well, it's the combination of
Pepsi with OK with, with Pepsi that yeah, it's a yeah, it's you

(50:19):
didn't know that. So, so it's a thing.
And so they so they look at me and they go, yeah, never came up
as in like they never taught. How much Pepsi are you drinking?
How much do you know soda and, and this and that like OK, well,
that's the foundation of like why maybe you're acting like
garbage and, and you look like garbage and, and all that is
what you're putting in your body.

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It's coming from the inside out.And so it, it kind of shocked
me. And then, you know, I was
talking about mushrooms with them.
And, and this is multiple clients that are doctors.
Like, I mean, there's that couple, but other ones that I'm
like, do you know about the medicinal benefits of, of
mushrooms, even like button mushrooms or canned mushrooms?

(51:00):
Any, any sort of edible mushroomis amazing for the microbiome,
for the immune system, for eyesight and brain function and
name something. It's it's, there's, there's a
mushroom for that. There's a really good book
written by a DVM by a vet calledThere's a mushroom for that.
And, and it's literally that whole thing like Alzheimer's and

(51:22):
energy and whatever. There's a mushroom for that.
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What's? Strange is doctors are very
often not taught about nutrition.
And I know that just from talking to friends that are
doctors. And you also see it in real
life, right? I've never had a doctor ask me
about diet or what I eat. It's never, it's never come up,

(52:26):
which is wild. And then with dogs going back to
shame, I often see people are shamed for the idea of cooking
for their dog or raw. And it's like, you're not a dog
nutritionist. How could you possibly figure
that out? And my counter is like, I never
say you shouldn't do research. Learning is good.
You should do research. But I have three children and

(52:48):
nobody ever taught me how to provide and cook for myself or
for my children. You know, I wasn't given books
on how to properly feed a child.I was, we have children and we
learned right? And we're not dumbasses.
And we luckily are able to feed our kids healthy food and we
work really hard at that. And for some reason it's like
this thing with dogs that you can't do that.

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How could you possibly figure out what they need?
And only thing I can think is that it's pushed by the dog food
industry that they're the ones leading the charge on that.
Because what reasonable person could think cooking for your dog
would be the hardest thing in the history of the world?
Yeah, yeah. For.
Sure. I mean, it's if you, if you've
ever saw, I've sold dog food at,at, at a couple of junctures and

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the markup is like 300%. So like I can see why they're
doing it. And what's really interesting is
most vets when they go, I mean, there's some vet colleges.
I'm, I may be wrong about this, but they're owned by or have
heavily subsidized by companies like Hill Science Diet.
And so when you're going, and I know this from experience with

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clients that I've worked with, and I'm pretty sure I've heard
Doctor Karen Becker talk about this is like, you show up to vet
school, you've got a dog and you're in vet school, you're
young, you're broke, you're whatever you just finished doing
your undergrad, you're super broke.
You have a dog and they show up with a pallet of food.
That's a great way to build brand loyalty very quickly.
The Rep shows up and you've got food at a heavy discount or free

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and it's veterinary formulated and it's there's a, and, and you
know in there to there, there's a kibble for that.
You got crystals, there's a kibble for that.
You're overweight. There's a kibble for that you
get right. So it's, it's one of those
things that it's easy to prescribe, but you're feeding
carnivores a primarily carbohydrate based diet and, and

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it doesn't matter what the brandis, which is it, which is really
so you can spend 200 bucks on a bag of kibble or you can spend
$0.45 on old Roy. And they, they don't have the
same ingredients in the same levels of things, but they all
hit the belly kind of the same. And the result is sugar and
inflammation. And so, but there are feed

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grades and there are food grades.
And it doesn't mean just becauseyou feed kibble that you can't
also add fresh food to, to your dog's diet and share the things
that maybe you have or go out ofyour way to get things.
There's in the produce aisle here at a couple of the grocery
stores that I go to and even have it on the app where you can
see the things that are going toexpire soon and get them at a

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discount sometimes 5060% off. And that might be bananas, it
might be pumpkin, that might be some fruits and vegetables that
could go really, really long wayfor for your dog.
And I always tell people like this book literally lives here.
If you're unsure, the forever Dog life is a fantastic book and

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it's kind of like a home guide and it's a it's like the best
gift for a dog lover in in your life because it's so such a
pretty book that even if they don't agree with it, it's, it's
just a beautiful coffee table book.
But it, it has other things in there as well, like homemade
fleantic things and shampoos andfloor cleaner and amounts of

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things. How much fish oil, how much
coconut oil. And so that's a really good
book. And then the book prior to that
is called the forever dog and that one you can listen to on
audible. This is the forever dog life is
more like a cookbook. And the other one is you can
listen on audible or ever and or, or one of those.
And it's a great intro to healthand a great intro to

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understanding things that have been peer reviewed that the, the
veterinarian doctor Karen Beckerand then Rodney Habib, who is
from where I'm from, they went around the world to the Mayo
Clinic and they went to, you know, these places where they're
testing ketogenic diets and they're testing the longevity

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studies in Italy and you know, Bulgaria, not Bulgaria, but
other places where people are living a long time, dogs are
living a long time. And what are they eating?
What are they doing? And I'll tell you since I
started doing a health first dogtraining mindset.
So when I, when people sign up with me, the first thing that we

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do is tackle the health, what's going on?
What are you feeding? What are you not feeding?
And sometimes we, we got to giveit a couple of weeks.
We do fecal tests. So animal Biome, I tell everyone
to do this. So it's not just pathogen
testing, it's levels of bacteriain your dog's gut and the
difference in dogs when you start giving them the right

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bacteria through things like whether it's a prebiotic,
probiotic, post biotic blend, ormaybe they can't even have that
yet and they need an FMTA fecal transplant.
You get things like that going into their into their diet,
which will completely redo and rebuild and reposition their

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microbiome, their gut health. And then they think better.
They're not farting all the time, you know, they're happy,
they're sleeping better. There's just easy things that
you can do and I tell everyone like if you're not going to do
anything else, do that test thatanimal Biome test and book their
free 15 minute call so that you can have a professional read

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what's going on. Because a lot of people will get
to get e-mail and it's like 3 green check Marks and you're
like, oh I'm good, but you're not like so many people are.
And it's a computer system, so it's not necessarily going to
read it perfectly and give you the perfect answer, but you can
do that test and then book a free call with them or somebody
else that knows how to read it and get suggestions.

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And I'm telling you, like behavioral changes to the point
where it's like we almost don't need to do anything other than
maybe some obedience so that thedog and you were speaking the
same language. But behaviorally all the
problems went away. It's pretty amazing.
Do you want to talk for? A second about the fecal
transplant. The first place I had heard
about that was at the IACP conference this year and it

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seemed like a a big hit there. So I think a lot of people don't
know what it is. You want to just talk about that
for a second. Yeah, so there's.
There's a bunch of companies nowselling poop from very healthy
dogs. It's not all the same because of
where of like what those dogs are eating.
Are those dogs getting edible flea and tick medication?

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Are they getting topical flea and tick medication?
Did they just have a rabies vaccine?
Like there's a lot more to it than just giving your dog
healthy poop. But that's essentially what an
FMT is. It's it's healthy poop.
They've been doing it with humans since the 60s, I think
in, in terms of like health protocols, fixing Crohn's,

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eliminating cancers, doing all kinds of things of taking feces
from a healthy host and then putting it in pill form or, you
know, doing it rectally. There's, you know, a lot of
different ways of, of doing it. But with the FMT pills, most of
the time it's in a special coating.
So it allows it to go through the upper digestive tract and

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into the to the lower if it needs to get there.
And you see amazing changes because so often, like for
example with making food for your dog.
Which can be great, but it needsto be balanced because you can,
you can end up doing more harm than than good.
But with the FMT, you know, you,if you, if you try to just

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switch to raw food, some dogs will have diarrhea for a week.
And then people are like, I'm never doing that again.
You know, like that was horrible, but the dog didn't
have, for example, enough Fuso bacterium.
Well, you need Fuso to breakdownanimal protein.
And so like my little Pitbull, my little St. dog couldn't put
on weight. She didn't have the protein to

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break down carbs or animal protein.
So it was just going in one end and out the other.
And, and so that's really important.
So the test that I do is animal Biome says gut, gut health test.
And then they sell an FMT and and the cool thing about their
FMT is that if your dog, for example, is too high in Fuso

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bacterium, you can give them thekibble based.
So it's dogs that were eating kibble.
So that way you don't spike it over the top versus other
companies. Like personally, all my dogs are
good with their Fuso level. So I give legacy Biome because
it's coming from it's the poop, the feces is coming from a vet
that has never given her dogs vaccines, which vaccines aren't.

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I'm not anti vax by any stretch,but I think we over over
vaccinate our dogs and especially the the rescue ones.
I think that's a huge problem behaviorally is they'll, they'll
give the dog rabies when they arrive into the shelter, then
they'll give them another one before they leave.
And then if that paperwork isn'tdone properly, they get done
again when they arrive and they their new country like Canada or

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the states or whatever. So no wonder the dog is acting
aggressive. They just got 3 rabies shots.
They just right. So anyway, that's a whole
vaccine thing. But the, the legacy Biome is and
this is sponsored. It's just a brand that I use.
They get it from Doctor Margo Roman, who is a very eccentric

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vet, but she feeds her dogs all organic vegetables and meats.
The argument against her stuff is she doesn't feed a ton of
meat because the only thing she feeds is like organic venison
and organic beef. They eat a lot of vegetables.
But her poodles, she has standard poodles that live on
average 16 to 20 years. So I don't know what else she's

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given them, but they're living along time and they've never had
flea and tech medication becauseall of this stuff you have to
factor into the dogs overall health in their stomach.
So I've seen a huge, huge changein my dogs.
There was a shift almost for theworst with my lab at the
beginning, she was getting up inthe middle of the night and she
was pooping a lot and she was drinking a ton of water, but her

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whole system was out of whack prior to that.
So it's kind of like if you or eaten candy every day and then
you eat clean for a week, you get grumpy.
You do, you know, there's a lot of changes.
You might get eczema or something because all that crap
is coming from the inside out. I see this a ton with dogs with
leaky gut. Behaviorally, I think the number

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one problem is dogs are itchy. They're super, super itchy.
And if you've ever had a sunburnand been itchy for even a couple
of days, you imagine living withthat, your whole body just being
dry and itchy all the time. You'd be cranky and reactive
too. It starts in the gut.
And then because if you just adda bunch of fresh food and stuff

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to that can help. But if the gut isn't able to
hold that food and it's going into the bloodstream, it comes
out as what appears to be allergies and and things like
that. So I know I'm bouncing all over
the place, but FMTS are an amazing place.
And if you didn't ever do the test and just gave, FMTS would

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be better than not doing anything.
A lot of good. Info there for people to dig
into. We can shoot me a link after
Evan and I'll put it in the the description here for the the
test you're recommending there. Yeah, sure.
I think it's huge. For people just to do some
research and learn about some things, even if they decide not
to go forward with one particular thing they've

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researched to at least learn. And then maybe you're going to
make some, you know, some other changes that would be great as
well. What's absolutely.
Insane is a client just just helping a client with their
little Malin law. And she said, so friends of ours
reached out because I had, I helped them with their dog and
then they, you know, it was a referral and they said they had
this dog that they thought was dying, but they weren't sure.

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Like, you know, just older, like10 years old, old and, and not
doing great. But was there anything that they
could do behaviorally? Because the dog was starting to
kind of act weird with them and whatnot.
And it was a rescue dog. They only had it two years.
I suggested that they do the, the animal Biome test first.
They did the test. They found out that the dog had

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a, a, a rare type of bacteria and had transmitted it to the
woman and she was going through a bunch of health issues.
Well, that was the health issue.So she got on intravenous
antibiotics, which they couldn'tfigure out what was going on
with her, saved her life. Dog got the FMT dog's like a

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puppy again, running around happy go lucky.
So they would just like, I didn't expect to hear like,
yeah, save the dog's life and save the owner's life as well.
Pretty pretty amazing saving. Lives saving.
Lives no big deal. What a.
Hero Life of a Dog Just call me a.
Hero just let's hero dog. It is my new name.

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Well. What do you think?
Should we shift gears and get into some questions?
Questions. Questions we've got let's yeah,
let's do. It these are questions straight
off the social media, They're sort of specific but also not a
ton of details. So if you want to ask questions
you can, but I'll just be makingit up so you can just assume and
make it up yourself if you want to.

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So we'll just jump right into the first one.
I have two Huskies, which I cannot have apart from each
other. When apart, they will whine and
become destructive. What can I do to keep them from
destroying my house? So I guess the first question
is, I think a lot of people think they need to do something
about it, but it's not really a problem.

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So my first question is, is it actually a problem?
Why do they have to be apart from each other so often, we
hear. I should.
Or shouldn't be doing something?It's kind of like should my dog
be sleeping in bed with me? I don't think you can give a one
answer thing. I don't let dogs sleep in bed
with me because I'm super activesleeper and I need my leg room

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and I don't want the dog in bed with me.
It doesn't work for me and for other people.
It's like, yeah, your dog is looking at you like you don't
matter at all and you're sharingway too much with your dog.
You're an overshare and it matters.
I think that this could be one of those cases, although I'm
it's not going to be the only answer that I give.
But sometimes I think we just sowe see things on social media or

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it's a problem, we think it's a problem when it's not in terms
of separating them. It's something that you have to
understand. Fundamentally, this is a pack
animal. It is extremely unnatural for
dogs to be by themselves. And So what can we do?

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We need to do this in we need todo this like as a process, not
just this is the way life has always been and now it's
completely different. That can be very traumatic for
dogs and cause a lot of problems.
And so it's like a slow transition.
Can they be separate and together?

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And what I mean by that is can they be crate trained?
I don't know anybody that's crate trained a Husky.
So like almost guaranteed this Husky is not crate trained.
I mean, I've, I've met a couple,they're all my clients.
But other than that, people typically don't because at 8
weeks old they put up a fuss. And you read some people say

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that dogs should never be created and whatever, but that
might be a way to have them together but apart.
And then they get comfortable intheir little den where they eat
and where they chew on bones. And so I like to do as a
baseline, figure out how much exercise, what are they eating?

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When are they eating? Because so often people will be
like the witching hours between 5:00 and 7:00.
Well, what time are you feeding the dog?
And what are you feeding the dog?
If you just fed the dog a giant bowl of kibble, you're getting a
huge sugar spike. And the dog is, you know,
freaking out because they've you're not, you didn't run them
afterwards. And although that can be a

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dangerous way to feed your dog abunch of kibble and then
exercise them, but the people dothese things where they don't do
anything with the dog and they've got pent up energy.
So I would make sure that the dogs are extremely well
exercised. And what I mean by that is like
they should be panting extremelyhard, tongue outside of their
mouth, obviously not to the point where it's like dangerous,

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but exhausted. And then I would have them apart
while they can still hear each other while there's a third
person present or you know, likeyou are still present in between
the dogs while they're doing something.
So like chewing on bones, whatever.
Another thing that you could potentially do is replace the

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dog with a fake dog. You could have a fake Husky if
you want. You get to get one of those
giant fake dogs and have that inthe room as well because you got
to remember they're pack animalsand it, you know, kooky things
like that can work with for the in the dog's perspective,
they're like, I'm not alone. There's something here that
looks like my brother and you know, got rubbed on my brother

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so he smells like my brother andI feel a little bit more
comfortable. I would probably start there.
I think that's a great. Place to start for sure.
Well, sort. Of but I mean, I would recommend
a gut Biome test first just to throw that out there.
But your stuff's fine too, yeah?OK.
OK. We could always start with that.

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Hey, question. For you, this isn't on our list.
I'm curious, your own dogs as adults?
You have a multi dog household. Do you create your dogs when
you're not home? I create my shepherd it I
rotate. I, I sometimes yes, sometimes
no. I don't always create my
shepherd, but I, I always maintain crate training.

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So what that means is like sometimes yes and and it's just,
there's no rhyme or reason unless there's a rhyme or
reason. Like, for example, if my mom was
coming over and I was leaving the door unlocked for her, I, I
don't, she's not capable of handling 4 dogs at a coming in

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because she's gonna baby talk tothem.
They're gonna get excited. One of them might jump, the
other one might get stepped on Now, you know, So it's like,
yeah, in that case, they're all going to be created.
I will also create my dogs when I'm driving on the highway.
Although after almost getting rear-ended in town the other day
and dealing with Mr. Personality, you know, I, I have

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the impact. Is it impact?
What? No.
Ruff Ruffland that ruffling kennels that are the impact
proof kennels. I really like those.
I've started traveling with thatmy shepherd is almost always in
one because he's busy. He's one of those busy dogs that
would be bopping side to side and he and he doesn't settle if
the other dogs are in the car aswell.

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So I rotate. OK, cool.
I was. Just curious, there's a lot of
trainers I hear say talking thatwill say they'll never have
multiple dogs loose in a house when they're not there because
of safety. And I mean, that's I mean, I
always my dogs are they're cratetrained still, but they're
loosen the house together all the time when we're gone.

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You have to. Know the dog's personalities and
I think this is extremely important to put your dogs
through the ringer. Like what happens My dogs can
all I can give one of my dog a giant bone and the other three
have to watch to each of them because I let them work shit out

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and then jump in if I have to. So you know, after they're all
rescues except for my lab. But my lab will throw down like
she's 13 and she will still try to frig up the shepherd if she
has to. He knows not to mess with her.
But will he's, he's very cheeky.He's literally the embodiment of

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of me just everything's fun all the time.
All that's whatever. He's he's me at 21 when I still
drank, he's tequila Evan. And so I've mellowed out, got
sober since then. But it is so with him out, there
are factors, but all the factorsI've witnessed, I've thrown down

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balls, I've thrown down a piece of steak and like, how are you
going to deal with it, guys? And so there's really not any
situations what happens when somebody comes in or what
happens when someone bangs on the door and they're in the room
by themselves and I'm just like watching from around the corner.
So but there are some dogs that I would never and I've owned

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dogs that it's like the Marima is not loose with the Pitbull.
Like when I'm not home and even when I am home, they're both
wearing E collars and when it's a full moon, I'm you guys aren't
even hanging out together for the next 2-3 days.
I've had dogs that were like, itdidn't take much to push them

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over the edge. So it's knowing your own dogs,
right? And, and not taking chances.
And I have this new little dog that I, I've never, I've always
loved little dogs, especially Cairn terriers and Jack Russells
and the little spicy fuckers. And I love those dogs, but I've
always had giant dogs, you know,Marimas, Great Pyrenees, pit

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bulls, King Corso. I had a King Corso.
Don't do it. Don't do it.
And and so it's one of those things that you have to know
your pack and it can be extremely dangerous.
And I always tell people it's OKthat life isn't fair.
Fair doesn't mean. The same for.

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Everybody all the time, right? I've got one client with a
French bulldog and also an English mastiff.
Those dogs will fight over affection.
Those dogs will fight over food.Not so much anymore.
But the couch is a huge point ofcontention.
And it's totally fine, in my opinion, that the French, she is
allowed on the couch because sheis the sweetest, will roll over.

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The English mastiff will mess her up if she decides that she's
been slighted. And so we go.
It's she doesn't that mastiff doesn't deserve to be on the
couch. She's she's kind of nasty,
right? And and and also she's in a lot
of pain. It turns out as well.
It's, it's not that she's nasty by nature, but she gets pushed

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around by the, she thinks she gets pushed around by the, by
the Frenchie. And also she's agitated because
she's got hip dysplasia. And so, which we only found out
recently because I was like thatthis new cycle of patterning
doesn't seem the same. Like I haven't spoken to you in
three years. What changed?
And have you been giving glucosamine?

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Has she had a cruciate issue? And sure enough, she's like, Oh
my God. Yeah, actually, she did pull
something and we haven't had surgery yet.
I'm like, OK, well, she's sore. She's whatever.
And now you've got, you're letting them both up on the
couch at the same time. So you got to know your dogs
and, and it's, it can never be one-size-fits-all.
So I think it's very important to maintain crate training, but

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also know your dogs. I think it's.
Always. It depends for sure.
What were you saying? I think we have a.
Question that can take it back to crate training.
So here's the next one when I'm not.
When I'm not in the room, my puptakes food off counters.

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He has started stealing the foodand then going back into his
kennel. That happens to be where I send
him after he takes food. I don't want him to associate
the crate with punishment. He goes in there and likes it
now. How do you guys feel about Crate
as punishment? I mean, I would never use it

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that way, but. Yeah, I mean, we, I don't ever
use it for punishment. I don't think the dog is going
to make the connection. And I, I tell people that Craig
is to buy you sanity. So if your dog can't chill out
and you don't have a place command and you need somewhere
to put them for a few minutes, it's great.
That's what it's made for. But yeah, you're never, he's
never going to become a better behaved dog because he did

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something naughty and you put him in there.
Yeah, it doesn't. Really afford you the
opportunity to work through a situation, but it does afford
you the opportunity to take a breath for sure, right?
Or or 10. I also think that dogs don't
like to be isolated from the pack so in a way it is
punishment. But I've not seen food off the

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counter go into your crate equals the dog stops taking food
off the counter. It doesn't mean it doesn't
happen. You know, I often tell people
like there's perfect dogs out there that have never needed
training and, and whatever, but I don't meet those talks, you
know, like I'm sure they exist where it's just a perfect

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situation where it's like the dog isn't being asked much or
there's not a lot of situ. You know, there's, there's not a
lot of conflict. But I don't meet them because
I'm a professionally dog trainerwho gets called when it's the
end of the line or there's just so much frustration in the
house. So, you know, you feed the dog
in the crate, the dog feels safein the crate.
The dog likes its crate. Yeah, punishment.

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Often times the dog doesn't evenunder.
They know you're upset and they know they're in their crate now,
but they're not like, you know, time out.
And so I'm a big fan of just setting up and correcting that
scenario where. We just give the.
Dog the opportunity to take something and correct that

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behavior right that that's not allowed whether it's the dogs
old enough for E collar trainingand you condition them and then
you correct them with the E collar you don't even need your
voice it's just an association. The counter is hot reverse tape
on the counters. They stick their paws on there.
They hate it. You can get the condensed air.
You can mark the behavior as a no and then go and get your

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spray bottle and spray the dog afterwards and, and really just
go through correction stuff. You can, I'm a big fan of
avoidance for people that don't want to do correction.
I've, I have baby gates in my house for the dogs that is just
easier, you know, instead of being like, you never crossed
this line unless I say come or break that, I just put up a baby

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gate. That's makes it way easier for
me, especially with four dogs. So I think there's avoidance
stuff that you can do as well. But I mean, I'm curious to hear
what you guys do. Yeah, I mean to that.
Specific question, if the dog has a habit of stealing things
and running to hide in the cratewith it.

(01:20:11):
I guess my first piece of advicewould be stop putting the dog in
the crate as punishment. But then without a doubt I
would. Like you said, Evan, I would set
up times to correct the dog for stealing.
It's like I always tell clients,don't let this happen on the
dog's terms. Let it happen in your terms.
So put some cheese up there and wait for the dog to do it when
you're ready and watching and give it an appropriate

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correction for the dog, right? Obviously depends on the dog's
personality and it needs to be start enough that they know
you're not loving that behavior right now.
And I would keep working on thatuntil you can put stuff up and
the dog's not stealing it. And then we use mirrors or
cameras, something where you canbe out of the room and watch the
dog. And we set it up again until
that's no longer happening. And then in theory, you like 99%

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of the stealing should just be athing of the past and it's gone,
then it's just not happening. And if you really think it's an
issue that the dog's taking stuff back to the crate, I guess
keep the crate door shut and don't let the dog have that fun
chance of getting a shoe or whatever.
And taking it there, yeah, I also think.
Give the dog, give the dog that stuff on your terms as well.

(01:21:20):
Like share your food, but put itin their bowl and put it on the
thing and then it's not as valuable, right?
The dog never gets chicken goingto want chicken, right?
But if it gets chicken sometimesit and some people will say,
well if the dog never experiences the taste of
chicken, then it won't want it. It has a nose.

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It has a nose that is way betterthan yours.
It knows what chicken tastes like without tasting chicken.
And so, you know, giving it to the dog can satiate that desire
a little bit more. It's kind of like wanting
chocolate or wanting doughnuts. That's my, that's my Achilles
heel is like, and then I eat three or four or five of them in
a row and I'm like, I'm good fora month, you know, like don't

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give me any doughnuts are disgusting, you know, and so,
you know, try to tell that to a lab.
It's impossible. But still, you know, like be
fair to the dog, I think and andshare your world with them a
little bit. I like that.
You know, funny enough, on a YouTube comment the other day,
it was something about stealing food.
And I gave some a video and I gave someone an answer and I

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said, you know, if it's a lab, you know, 99% of labs are going
to steal, try to steal food, andthis is going to be a much
bigger deal. And someone replied to it like
the meanest comment, like, you know, it's ridiculous.
Like you're a moron. There's no way you've met 99% of
labs. Therefore, you could never know
that, OK? Dude.

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I didn't say I met 99% of labs in the world as a ball trainer
and. You're a dumbass.
A lot of. Labs, they really, really,
really like food. Yes, that's what they do, yeah.
And love those guys. I love when they show up.
It was 1. That, like, didn't make, well,
none of them make me angry, but it was just made me laugh.

(01:23:08):
Like, this is the craziest critique I've ever seen.
Like, you really thought I meantI'd analyze 99% of Lambs that
have ever existed. Yeah.
My favorite YouTube comments so far has just been garbage or the
other one or the other one was did it and it was all spelt
wrong. But it wasn't very long and
every word was spelt wrong but it was like didn't learn shit

(01:23:31):
and I was like all right, ironically, not talking about
microbiome. Yeah, I just.
Saw one of those the other day on ours where it was like learn
nothing from this video. It's like you felt the need to
post that like. Yeah, I like when the.
Volume turned on. I like when the comment is on a

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real or a short. Yeah.
And it's like you missed these five things.
Yeah. You're right.
But it was also 38 seconds. Yeah, you are.
Not wrong, we covered. A lot in 38 seconds, but you're
right those the points you made are all reasonable and all
reasonable. Thank you for filling in the
gaps. Yeah, I didn't know those

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things. Yeah, that's why I think.
Do we? Have time for for one and it
fires 10 or not. All right.
I watched your video on cum and my dog can't do that.
Which by the way one of our mostpopular YouTube videos is on off
leash cum. Your dog is calm and listens
well so it's pretty easy. If I let mine go it would just

(01:24:37):
go crazy. Yeah, I.
Think the answers, let them go crazy, let them go crazy 1st and
then train them. But like, you know, I'm, I
started homeschooling my kids this year and you know, I've got
ADHD and, and, and so I am not easy to deal with until I've

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worked out because I, I just, I can't, you know, like I can't
sit still. I've, I have a very hard time
sitting still. I was always that kid that got
in trouble for drumming and, andwhatever.
So I think if you let the dog dothat initially before you start
doing things, it will make it easier if possible.
And if not, you know, I I think a lot of times is your video

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like the dogs off leash or on leash?
I assume you start your trainingprocess on leash?
Yes, but this is. Specifically on a long line.
So the dog has already been taught cum, so showing how to
reinforce cum on a long line, how to reward, how to correct if
they're choosing not to come. But the dog is chill because
it's in the training process, right?

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That it's a good dog. Yeah, sure.
And some dogs genetically are just chill.
Some dogs are genetically nuts and and it does make it very
frustrating for those people, but I think you don't you also
don't need to start outside, right?
You could start inside. You could start in the hallway,
close all the doors if you have if you have a hallway and throw
food away and then say come and give them food when as you're

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going backwards and and start there.
You don't even need a leash and you can start the process in
different things, But that's thepart that stands out to me the
most is like, my dog goes crazy.All right.
It's probably every time your dog goes crazy, you're like, no,
stop it. It's a dog.
It's got to go crazy. It's supposed to go crazy.
You let him run around and as long as it's safe, you can do

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that with a long leash on and let them burn it off for a few
minutes. I made a video a little while
ago, but like, if you want your dog to to walk timely on the
leash, start calmly on the leash.
And then I thought about it afterwards and it's always a it
depends, right? So like you, I don't know about
you guys, you make a piece of content and you're like, but the
opposite could be true as well, right?

(01:26:55):
And then you're like, damn it, Imade that video and I'm the only
one trash shocking myself right now.
But let's go through this. And so, you know, it's a part of
me is like, yeah, you want your dog to walk calmly on a leash.
Let them be nuts for the 1st 30 seconds.
Let them pull on the leash, let them smell, let them, you know,
do what they have to do and thenfocus on calmly leaving.

(01:27:17):
I'm never afraid to get a clientwas like, I went to this other
dog trainer and they wouldn't let my dog come out of the
crate. And it was like pick up for a
board and train. This is probably like the
biggest lesson I learned. It's a professional was like,
let just just let the people sayhi to their dog.
Just let them say hello. They're so you know, and, and
everyone's different. It doesn't mean you have to, but

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they went to somebody else and, and it took the, it took the dog
like 8 or 9 minutes. That's an eternity to not just
like be excited and and that wasvery, very challenging for them
because it's ultimately for mostpeople.
They are their babies. I don't fight that anymore, you
know, like I have human babies too and I love them and they're

(01:28:01):
not always great, but I, you know, baby them and I also I'm
stern with them and they also have rules, but I'm also very
silly and Sookie and and all of the the babyish kind of cuddle
my boys and and do all that stuff as well.
So I think it's that it's that balance.
But starting off with a challenging busy dog is

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challenging. It's understandable.
What would you guys change? Well, I like.
Your opening of make sure they've had some exercise 1st.
And the the key is we don't knowthe dog, right, which you've
identified so many times. It's always it depends.
And one of the biggest things I see with people is like I said
earlier, they start at the end. So they're like, I want my dog

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to come and call like this one, but their dog doesn't know how
to heal or they haven't done anyobedience.
They've never taught that dog how to calm down when they need
it to. And then now they wanted to calm
down when they needed to on a long line.
And the dogs getting tangled in it and zipping around and is a
maniac. And they're working on literally
the hardest command in the hardest situation when they've

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never done easy commands and easy situations.
So and people, I don't think like that advice because it
means like there's no answer foryou that's going to make it good
right now. There's some other stuff you
should do first to get to this point.
Start in the hallway. And then So what?
Like my process is for people with challenging dogs, start
inside, then if you have like you know, your traditional
setup, start inside, go to the backyard, then go to the front

(01:29:30):
yard, then go to the park. But if your dog doesn't know,
sit in your kitchen and your living room.
Don't go to the backyard becausedogs, you know, if your dog
doesn't know, sit while you're, I mean, most people are going to
ask their dog to sit while standing, but like it's
different for the dog. If you sit on the couch and ask

(01:29:50):
the dog to sit and you stand andask the dog to sit, it doesn't
mean the same thing to your dog until you go through that
process. And so, but people don't know
that because we are English speak, we are, you know,
language 1st and they are language first, but a totally
different language, right? They are body language experts.
So like you standing up, you look completely different than

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if you're sitting down. If you have food in your hand,
you'd act differently than when you don't have food in your
hand. And the trick boys and girls, is
to pretend like you have food inyour hand.
If you're doing food heavy training, just fake out the dog.
But people are like, do you wanta trade?
And their hand is open And it's like the dog's not blind.
It's sees you don't have a treator like it can smell from 5 feet

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away that you don't have a treat.
And so if if the wind is blowingthe right way, big little things
you learn in like different sports.
Like I never would have factoredin wind direction with dog
training if it wasn't for gun dogs, right?
But like if I'm re socializing adog, I'll get that dog to walk

(01:30:55):
behind because it's less stressful, but I'll get them to
walk behind into the wind with the other dogs.
And then they're getting all that information that they would
get 2 inches away from the dog'sbud, although it's never, it's
never close enough, is it? But they're getting a lot of
that information. And so, you know, being behind.

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So if the dog, if there's no wind, I'll try to get that
other, the social dog to go pee first, pee or poop.
And then I'll let the other dog go over.
Now it's not as desirable. So it's the same thing with this
person getting your dog to come.If you can get some of that out
of their system first, then it it, it won't be as difficult to

(01:31:37):
get your dog to come back. And fundamentally, I also think
that people don't understand howto motivate their dogs.
They give them everything and then they ask them to do
something. The dog goes, why?
Why would I do that? I just did a skit on giving your
dog too many treats. I saw that.
That was funny. Did you?
OK, So, you know, ultimately, that's what a lot of people do,

(01:31:58):
right? They're just like, here's trade,
trade, trade, trade, trade. And then the dog gets off leash
and they're being rewarded by their environment.
They're being rewarded by the other dogs around.
They're being rewarded by all these things that you might not
even perceive. And then you're like, treat.
And the dog's like, Nah, I am good, thank you very much.
And people get very frustrated. And they're like, it worked

(01:32:21):
inside, you know, well, now you have more competition.
So the treats on their own mightnot work.
You might need a long leash to reinforce when they decide not
to. You might need an E collar to
get rid of that leash. And, and every dog's different.
One video that really resonated with a lot of people and is
very, apparently very controversial is, well, I've got

(01:32:44):
this little pit bull. She doesn't give a shit about me
when she's off leash. She couldn't care less whether I
lived or died because she is a hunter.
She's a street dog from Costa Rica.
Her whole life prior to me was hunting and killing things.
And and so she could care less. And without E collar training,

(01:33:05):
there was no convincing her otherwise.
She's used to going hungry for aweek, you know, like that's
nothing. And so but my lab and my my
German shepherd from the second I got him, he doesn't want to
leave my side. He's just like, oh, you're, you
know, you're, you're 6 inches too far away.
I'm going to come back to you tothe point where it's annoying,

(01:33:26):
right? He's, he's very needy.
And over the past year and a half, he's become more
independent because I don't reinforce that neediness as much
as possible. Sometimes I do because I still
want him to give me lots of attention, but every dog is
different and it's it is definitely a challenge.
So to that person, I would I would say it's OK to to do some

(01:33:47):
one-on-one help with people. And so many people would benefit
immensely from talking to a professional dog trainer that
has lots of experience for 30 minutes to an hour about your
problem. You don't, we don't need to to
take your dog's leash to help you like just pick up the phone
book an online consultation withsomebody that you admire,

(01:34:11):
somebody that you can see has can do that with dogs and figure
out what the problem is. I spoke to somebody the other
day in Chicago and they're like they were doing a sit stay when
it was like that is the oppositething of what you should do in
order to achieve your goal. And that was that's all that's
all she needed. It's almost the other than the

(01:34:33):
microbiome test. That's all she needed was.
It's like it's the wrong commandat the wrong time, so.
Hey, let's. Circle back to your
controversial video with the Pitbull.
What was what was controversial there?
The controversial. Part was that our our
relationship is therefore not good enough.

(01:34:54):
That because relationship's sucha buzzword now I use it.
I'm sure you guys use it. It is a thing, it is important,
but that clearly I'm not doing enough with her working on our
relationship to the point where she should want to look for me
and should should be engaging with me more without me trying

(01:35:17):
to engage with her. And, and so apparently that was
the controversial part. And I'm like, Nope, the dog just
is more rewarded by the other things.
When we're in the car, when we're in the house, she's very
needy. When we're in the backyard, she
wants to play with me. When we were off leash in the
woods, I could not exist. Well, the people who?

(01:35:37):
Think that's controversial have clearly never owned a hound of
any sort I mean you take a houndand put them outside and let
them smell something your relationship is now meaningless
they could care less it's not that they don't love you they
are solely focused on on that scent yeah they don't love you
they. Don't love you in that moment.

(01:35:57):
They love the scent and that's, that's, that's all that matters.
And so, yeah, but you've, but I think like relationship such a
buzzword and you get these dog trainers that are like, if you
can't do this with your dog, youdon't deserve to have a dog.
I hate that sentence. I don't say the word hate a lot,
but I hate when dog trainers saythat.

(01:36:20):
It's like, you clearly haven't worked here.
You have no empathy. You definitely don't have kids.
Like you're just at this stage where you're loud and it's
controversial and they have hugefollowings because they make
very rude, bold claims and it's gets people fired up, gets
people excited, gets people feeling heavy, heavy drugs that

(01:36:44):
are pumping through their bodies.
And they get they get a follow. But for me, I can't, I can't
stand that. It's it's, it's very
inconsiderate and, and there's no compassion to that because
every dog is different and the dog human relationship, there
are some people that it's just awrong mix with the dog.
Like this dog needs a different kind of person and that's OK.

(01:37:10):
You know, it, it, it'd be like saying you should be able to
date anyone. OK, well, you should be able to
get through life without punching that person in the face
or being verbally abusive. But it doesn't mean that you're
compatible. It doesn't mean that like you
want to do the same kind of things.
I always get a kick out of when people are like, I'm going to
get a GSP term majority pointer and then I'm going to start

(01:37:32):
running. OK, but if you don't start
running, your life is going to be bad because you don't hunt.
You love the couch and and thosedogs you know like the couch
after a 45 kilometer run. 27. Miles.

(01:37:52):
We have a service to help peoplepick the right puppy or the and
specifically the right dog. And it's popular, but I wish it
was more popular because with somuch could be prevented, right?
You counsel that person before they get the German shorthair
and then you find out there's many a pug would be a much
better dog for them. Tell me about that program.
How does that work? Is that a?

(01:38:13):
Is that a consultation? Is that an app?
Is that what is that so you? You want to cover that, so it.
It is a consultation type service, so there's a lot of
different quizzes and stuff online.
And what we've seen is they generally give bad advice.
So I won't name names, but there's some really popular ones

(01:38:35):
out there that end up giving people just really bad choices
for what they should end up getting.
So we decided to make our own. And the way that we handle it is
we have a trainer walk the person through the
questionnaire. They input all the answers and
then it is still a, a program. So it spits out what the top
five breeds are. They go through those with the
person and then the person has achance to ask that trainer

(01:38:57):
questions like, why did it pick that dog?
Why did it not have this dog in there?
And they can even look, they cansay like I wanted a lab and you
can say, well, the lab is actually 64 on this list.
And here's the reasons why it's 64 on this list.
And all these other dogs would be better.
It's really. That big of a difference of like
I won the lab and it's really that far down the list.

(01:39:20):
You could I. Mean you you'll see stuff that's
all over the place you know Covey said that he wished more
people would do it. I wish more people would listen
to the results So like I did onefor one of my friends locally
here and I like it picked a great dog for him he's got a
family I was super pumped about the results.
What did it depend on Like 6 months later he's like, hey, we

(01:39:42):
got a dog. I'm like what'd you get?
And it's the exact opposite of what the choice was.
And it's tell me, tell. Me.
Tell us what the What were they supposed to get and what did
they get? OK, so they were supposed to end
up getting, it was a small dog, Cavalier King Charles Spaniel is
what they were supposed to get. And they ended up getting it's

(01:40:04):
like a shepherd mix. And the dog, actually, the dog
is great. Yeah.
So it's one of those situations where, like, they did the exact
opposite. And like, when you hear about
it, you're like, oh, man, like that's gonna go horrible for
you. But the dog that they ended up
getting is really good. And it's good with their kids
and all this stuff, but it had all of the potential.
To go the exact opposite, we're like, right?

(01:40:25):
You're just like, oh, I can't. Believe you did.
That why didn't you listen? We did this right?
So my big thing, like I wish more people would do it, but
then when they do it don't stilljust pick a dog based off of how
they look right? Like we're we talked about this
for a reason. We talked about the reasons why
it's important for you to pick this other dog.
So really great service. I'm not I don't want to plug it

(01:40:49):
too much, but a really cool thing.
I think we put a lot. A lot of effort into it, Evan
creating the the database and assigning points to the
different questions. So is are you willing to get the
dog groomed and spend money on that as one, you know, how much
you know, how much is does budget play a role in both
getting the dog and caring for the dog?
Because you have people that youwant a Frenchie, right?

(01:41:11):
And have no idea all the health concerns.
How much do you plan to exerciseit?
And then just other questions, you know, on a one to five
scale, how much would this bother you?
Things like that. And it gives it, you know, size
is relevant of course too, but it gives people then a list and
they can go through their top ten and like, oh, I've never
even thought about that, but that does make sense.

(01:41:31):
I'm kind of lazy and I maybe I shouldn't get that dog Totally.
I I. Think there's a lot of factors
there, especially where people Ijust having a conversation with
my auto body guy and he was like, if you know anybody with a
mastiff, I want 1. And I was like, wow, that's
that's, that's a lot like there's a lot of kinds of
mastiffs and he had a Tosa for 13 years and those are like

(01:41:53):
super. You don't see Japanese toast as
fair. I've only ever met two of them
and they're rare and they're cool and whatever, but like
that's completely different dog than a Neopolis and mastiff and
and and a Corso and whatever. Like they're all different and
they all have different gene pools and whatever the cool
thing about. So they put a, they put a

(01:42:16):
deposit down on an English mastiff and the entire litter
died of parvo before they could,could go and pick it up and they
lost their deposit. And whatever there's something
to be said for if you're going to buy a purebred dog, go
through a registered breeder because they test for some, you
know, arguably most importantly,eyes, elbows and hips.

(01:42:42):
And so like it sucks when your dog is like out of Commission at
six and, and it should have a lifespan of 10 based on the AKC
or CKC, but really should be like 15.
If you feed them right and don'tover vaccinate them and, and do
all that stuff. And so it, it, it can be
absolutely heartbreaking. There's a lot of great shelter

(01:43:03):
dogs that I think need homes andcan get good homes.
It's just harder to it's harder,I think, and I'm curious to hear
what you guys say about like doing this for shelter dogs
because genetics are are important, But like how, you
know, how divert is that a shepherd or is that a Tavern?

(01:43:24):
You know, like there's there's athere's a difference, but they
both look shepherdy. I mean, they're both, you know,
they're both shepherds and So what is that shelter dog?
And so many shelter dogs do not display who they really are
because they're in prison, right?
And so they're like, you know, they're not going to be
themselves. They might seem very much more

(01:43:45):
subdued than they are or a lot more barky than they need to be.
So is do you find you're able todo this with like shelter does?
Does this apply this app with isit just it's just for buying a
red like a a purebred puppy, right?
I mean it's. Geared to yes, I mean, but it's
it's geared to pick in a breed. So if you could find a a dog in

(01:44:09):
a shelter that you're pretty convinced is that breed or that
breed mix. But like you said, very often
it's like this is a Shepardy labish kind of thing and you don't
really know what it is. So it's less useful if you're
going to rescue a dog, except for the fact that you can at
least kind of see what breeds you think it might be.

(01:44:29):
Are they high in your well and all the other?
Factors of grooming, right? You're still going to know
whether you need to budget for grooming.
You still need to know how much food that bills are higher.
Everything's more with a big dog.
I just got this little dog from a client of mine and I, I did
not want a fourth dog. And it was just a situation that
I was like, listen, if you want to cover, if you want to Co own

(01:44:51):
this dog, I will keep him. But I'm not, I'm not vet bills
and food bills or three others. I just don't need it.
Like I just don't need this right now, but I will keep him.
And so I just went through the whole laundry list of cost per
year for an 18 LB dog. But I do a lot for my dogs.
I do a lot of supplements. They go to multiple vets, they

(01:45:14):
go to chiropractic. They did like you name it, my
dogs do it. And those other three dogs don't
need to be groomed. I do all their grooming, but I'm
not clipping a Cairn terrier cutand, and all that stuff.
But he, he needs it, you know, he needs to be clipped and, and
whatever. And it, it was scary to see how
much the annual bill was. And then I had to account for

(01:45:34):
inflation over the next, you know, 10 years and whatever.
I went down the whole 9 yards. I was like, I'm not paying a
cent for this dog. And anyway, she was like, yeah,
so I got the dog. We're very happy.
Did you take a? Discounted lump sum like over 10
years. This dog is going to be 18,000.

(01:45:56):
So it was. It was like, it was like $54,000
and she's just paying it annually.
And then I was like, put it in your will.
I need to see that it's your will that like, if you die
before this dog goes that I'm not paying.
I, I, I was just in a mood that day and I just discovered
ChatGPT. So I was like, give me all the

(01:46:18):
numbers now. Now incorporate for inflation,
cheese sweet and the dog sweet. And you know, if I had to pay
for the dog, I would. But it's one of those, and I
have two dogs. Expensive, that's one of the
reasons we have two and don't have more is and it's expend.
If you take care of your dogs well, it adds up in a hurry and
just time. Wise like I, you know, doing

(01:46:39):
their nails is like so because Icaught the I Dremel them right.
So it's like, you know, each doghas however many nails that
they're supposed to or not, depending on dew claws and
whatever. But it's, it's a lot of time,
you know, and they all need a little individual time and, and
what not. So having a dog is a lot, but

(01:47:01):
it's so it's I I think having multiple dogs is fantastic, but
until you get them individually trained and you can afford the
worst case scenario for each oneand you have that aside in a
different bank, you know, whatever under lock and key that
hopefully you never have to spend because it's I see people
in situations where it's, it's absolutely mind boggling.

(01:47:23):
I'm like, OK, for an E collar inmy course, it's 500 bucks.
And they're like, oh, that's it's going to take a while.
It's going to take a couple of weeks.
So maybe they didn't want the service, but you know, you can
tell when someone's like, I needthis service, I want this
service and it's going to be a while.
I'm like, man, please promise meyou won't get another dog.
Somehow you'll get as you'll geta third dog, but not actually be

(01:47:46):
trading. You're broke.
Stop it. And so, yeah, dogs are dogs are
expensive and very rewarding. They are both of those.
Things for sure, but you've got to go into it knowing all the
downsides. I spend a lot of time talking to
potential dog owners about the downsides because if you don't
know about them and you're frustrated when it happens, that

(01:48:07):
that's no good. Yeah, which sucks.
I mean, we want to be, I always feel like I'm like, you're doing
it all wrong while still being nice.
It would it would be nice to have a conversation once in a
while to be like, and all those things were great.
But that's not what we're paid to do.
It's just give you suggestions and, and hopefully you can
implement those. And the big thing and when you

(01:48:28):
listen to a podcast like this isI made a lot of suggestions.
You guys have made a lot of suggestions.
You don't have to do them all atonce.
Write them down. It's why I didn't do fresh
feeding, raw feeding, any sort of that because I was like, if I
don't do it all perfectly, I shouldn't do it at all.
And that's not the case. You, you, just you just a little

(01:48:49):
bit, you know, a teaspoon at a time and will go a very, very
long way in your dog's living longer, healthier, less
expensive, ultimately lives. I interviewed Jennifer Carter on
Dog Pro Radio a couple months ago and she gave a quote which I
really liked and I'll probably butcher it now, but it was

(01:49:11):
roughly, if you replace 20% of the dog's calories with
something really good and wholesome, you can prevent 75%
of cancers. And it's, you know, I'd already
been doing, I'd never heard thatnumber.
I'd been doing something similar.
My dogs do eat kibble. I'm just crazy busy.
Kids just work, travel, all thatstuff.
But they have a raw egg on theirbreakfast every day.

(01:49:34):
They have bone broth that they get with it at dinner.
They always get protein. They get whatever protein.
We have what? And we have protein every night.
They're getting that protein with their kibble.
But it's such an easy thing people can do, right?
And she had mentioned like, justchop up some green beans or some
carrots, right? And throw some of that in there.
You don't have to go all out, right?

(01:49:55):
And do the research, like you said, because sometimes then
people will do nothing when you're like, that sounds really
hard. So I'll just stick with what I'm
doing. Yeah.
Yeah, just. A little bit just crack that
egg, do whatever and like if yousoft boiled that egg, it would
be even more bioavailable. But I don't have time to soft
boil eggs, you know, So that's fine.
Just throw it on, throw it on their raw or batch it or

(01:50:17):
whatever doing. And there's so many little
supplements now. The biggest thing that it's like
25% for 75%. It might be 20% for for 75%.
That stat comes from they took, they did a study with wheat and
terriers that are very genetically predisposed to colon
cancer. And they did three groups kibble

(01:50:38):
only kibble plus 25% orange veg kibble plus 25% green veg.
So that 25%, they removed 25% kibble and added 25% fresh.
So it'd be like the orange groupwould be carrots and pumpkin and
bell pepper, whatever, name something orange, right?
And it reduced cancer by like 76% in that group.

(01:51:02):
And then the green vegetables was like 93% reduction in
cancer, which is absolutely bananas.
And so you'd never see that in human studies because people
aren't eating ultra processed food all the time.
So green veg is amazing and you get a lot of this stuff in
powder form. What country do?
You live in people eat ultra processed food all the time.

(01:51:23):
Yeah, all. The time well, we don't I don't
think we have the same like in the states.
I I read that there's like forget what it is 6% of America
is in a fresh food desert. I never heard that before, but
it's like if you live in this neighborhood, the only thing
around for like 4 miles or, or like a long further than you
would ever walk normally for food is fast food.

(01:51:45):
We don't have that here, I don'tthink.
I, I, I'm almost positive I didn't know that that was a
thing. And that's really, really sad.
And it only happens. In cities and, you know, in the
most poor area of the city, so the people that are least able
to say I'll just like, you know,have someone deliver it right or
I'll go drive, whatever, no big deal.

(01:52:06):
It's the people that are unable to to remedy that easily because
of finances. Yeah, so so.
Water is pop or or soda and, youknow, vegetables are whatever's
on top of the burger and it's cheap.
Like it's you know, I was sayingto my wife the other day, we're
like cooking food and I was likeit, it would be the same price
and no time to to be eating out right now, you know, and it's

(01:52:30):
it's scary. You know, food prices are crazy
right now. But again, it's that like if if
you have it available to you, but so much of what we used to
throw out now goes to the dogs. And a really great way to do it
is you can like the ends of yourcarrots, the mushy blueberries,
the, the, the crap that your kids just won't eat or you won't

(01:52:52):
eat. Throw it in a throw it all in a
giant Ziploc bag in the freezer.And then at the end of the week
or the month or whatever, throw it in a food processor, Throw it
in a blender with bone broth or water something and then put it
in ice cubes or put it in whatever, just into like a back
into the same bag and scoop it out.

(01:53:13):
And then you have this and then it's just done.
You just do it once, right? And then it then you take this
multivitamin out. I do a little green smoothie
thing and it's a lot of just that.
And it's like you just do it once, pour it in ice cube trays
and then give it to your dog every day.
And then they have their little vegetable multivitamin.
But it didn't cost you. Anything more, right?

(01:53:35):
It literally saved you money. The egg shells, if you wash them
before you crack them, save all the shells, bake them and then
put them through the food processor.
So it's powder, then it's calcium.
It's you get a calcium. What's that stuff my wife spends
a bunch of money on so that her nails and biotin so that her
nails and hair are shiny and pretty.

(01:53:56):
I'm like, eat egg shells. All right.
It's just, we don't need to be buying biotin.
It's it's all there in the dog cabinet, but they'll they'll
shed less, their skin will be better, their teeth will be
better. And it didn't cost you any more.
You were thrown with egg shells anyway.
So there's a lot of cool things like that in that forever dog
book of things that you're like,oh, well, I don't really have

(01:54:17):
that. I throw that away.
OK, well, your dog can have it alot of times.
We need to link that. Book in the description of this
as well. Of loss, yeah.
Agreed. Awesome, we have.
Time for one more question. Fire away.
Let's throw 1. More I've lost.
We have another one on the list.Oh, you want?
Another. One.
Yeah, let's hit one more. Before we wrap up.
People want to know what? Evan would do WWED.

(01:54:42):
All right, I. Think we got one.
I just brought home a lab puppy and it is constantly picking on
my adult lab mix. The adult dog is now scared of
the puppy and spending time hanging out by.
Itself in the. Other room help?
No, no, I'm kidding. Well, first of all,

(01:55:03):
congratulations on getting a labpuppy.
And I was expecting, I hear a lot of times like, what do I do?
And I'm like, what's not really a problem, just let your dog
eventually correct the puppy. They need to learn, although I
do hate when people are like, no, no, it's fine.
Let let your dog correct my dog.So what if you hear somebody say

(01:55:27):
that at a dog park, like take your dog and get out of there
because often times your dog will over be overcorrected or
get overcorrected or turns into a dog fight, whatever.
But if the other dog is that sensitive to the to the puppies
advances, I think the puppy going to I don't know how you

(01:55:50):
guys run puppy class, but I usedmine was like a Royal Rumble.
I would turn on music, not like wrestling music per SE, but not
not wrestling music. And I would let them beat the
shit out of each other and I would be the referee.
And if it got too far, I'd literally slide in there,
separate them and then move themon to an appropriate dog.
Puppies don't. Puppies need to play, they need

(01:56:12):
to be rough, but they can be very rough and lab puppies
isn't. I'm assuming this is a little
male too. And if it's a chocolate lab,
it's going even rougher because they're missing a few brain
cells. And, and so the, the thing that
you can do is like give them an outlet of where they can be

(01:56:33):
rough like that and take them onwalks together in an area that
the puppy can be distracted by everything else.
Something that I heard Kim Brophy say that I haven't tried
yet, but I'm very excited to tryis taking the like Melissa and
Doug, I think it is, or Doug andMelissa stuffed dog and giving

(01:56:58):
that to a puppy to be rough with.
And so it's like redirecting because you can't just suppress
play and a puppy. You can't just create them.
You can't just distract them allthe time.
They have to get it out. And I think it's important for
them to get it out with dogs that they could be rough with
and be roughed up by to learn how to play properly, that it

(01:57:20):
can't be that this is normal. But the older dogs, like, what
the hell, Why did you bring thisdog into the family?
And now it doesn't feel as comfortable.
So sometimes people give too much room and flexibility to
puppies and they think that everything should be fair all
the time, while the other dogs out all the time.
Yeah, well, it's a puppy. It needs it.
You need to force it to take breaks.

(01:57:41):
You need to to have nap time because it's growing and
developing. And if you're doing something
fun all the time, it's going to stay awake and that's going to
affect its development. So I think that's what I would
say. Have you guys tried the fake dog
thing for play purposes? Nope.
Did you? Hear her say that?
No. Unfortunately I was doing a
million so. Busy at conference in and.

(01:58:03):
Out. I wasn't at that part of the
presentation. Yeah, she had brought.
It up as like a form of of play with puppies as an alternative.
And I'm all for alternative options because maybe that's the
answer. Maybe that the puppies like,
yeah, you know, the other dog. I think interfering with that

(01:58:24):
interaction sometimes can createmore frustration in the puppy.
And therefore the puppy ends up going overboard with the dog
when they finally get a chance. And when they're one-on-one, you
know, when they're alone. And then the dog snaps and and
bites the puppy or never, never pushes back because it's just
not that kind of dog to push back.

(01:58:44):
So it can be a tricky situation,but I think the puppy should
have more structured time in terms of like going for walks
with the sibling dog and doing that, like I said, in a way that
is not just going to be and we're in a parking lot or we're
in the backyard. The dog's going to take three
steps around the board and go right at your other dog again.

(01:59:06):
And so by walking in the same direction in a field, in a even
in a parking lot along the edge where there's new smells
constantly, as long as you're moving forward, it will be
distracted by other things. It might be like, oh, and
there's my sibling. I'm going to go, you know, body
slam them for a second. But then you can, you know, shut

(01:59:26):
that down quickly redirect with the leash pressure or or
whatever, and then engage them back to like, hey, let's go do
this other thing. And giving that other older dog
some alone time with you guys while the puppies in a crate
chewing on a big rib bone or not, you know, chewing on a Kong
or just dealing with the fact that it's separated and too bad,

(01:59:50):
deal with it. Lot of.
Good advice there. I I like the leash is my always
first recommendation. Take him for a walk together
like you said, something else tofocus their brain.
But also then when the puppy goes crazy you have some way to
stop them besides chasing them and trying to get them.
Yeah, and. One trick I use a lot and all of

(02:00:10):
this is it depends obviously, but is putting the puppy in a
crate in the middle of the room and with a bone something good
at something? The older dog is walking by the
puppy a lot and is able to stop and smell.
And I say it depends because if the puppy's been barking in the
crate and you can't stop them and it makes your life worse
than probably not worth doing. But if you're able to manage
that, that sure buys some nice smell times, right?

(02:00:34):
Where the the older dog's able to walk up and get a little
whiff of the puppy without the puppy, you know, exploding and
being on his head. Yeah.
Absolutely, and I, I hear a lot of dog trainers that are friend
are are are big advocates for back tying and whatnot.
And I think it's one more thing to put in your arsenal.
We just don't want to be creating more and more

(02:00:55):
frustration. A lot of people will back tie
their dog to dog go get to a Maxthreshold of being overexcited
and frustrated. And then the person's like it
didn't work and they unclip their dog and now you've got OK,
freak out and and then get off the leash.
And so then you get reactivity and you get all kinds of things.

(02:01:16):
But I've never been a huge fan of back tying unless I'm doing
like protection worker trying tobuild up frustration.
But I hear a lot of people doingit as an alternative to create
training and overtime the dog will learn to mellow out.
I have. Never done that so 0 experience
there but I I can imagine a lot of people would do it.

(02:01:39):
Not long enough, build frustration, let the dog go and
now that's worse than than whereit started.
All right. Well, what before we start
wrapping up, what would you likepeople to know about your
future? So you're currently running
online training. What are what are your offerings
right now? What are you going to be
offering? Any projects you're really
excited about? So I'm dropping a.

(02:02:00):
Reactivity course here soon. I have an E collar off leash
freedom program and then I've got another program that I use
for just as a general principle,but I also give it to rescues at
a massive discount for their fosters.
And it's called the seven elements course and it covers
everything from health to training unwanted behaviors,

(02:02:22):
raising a puppy. I spent too long making one
course. That's basically what happened.
I went two years into I was like, oh, I got to talk about
grooming and I got to teach themhow to do this.
There's everything in that course or microbiome and it's
all there. So the entire like raising a
puppy and then also raising a rescue dog, like there's, it's
broken into seven major categories, but it's a fantastic

(02:02:45):
course for anyone that's like, Idon't know where to start And I,
I just want to go to one place, but also for rescues have been
using it as their training foster program.
And so that's been really cool. And then the new reactivity
courses is coming out. Maybe it might already be out,

(02:03:06):
no one knows. Yeah, no one knows.
By the time they hear this podcast.
But when does this drop? I would think.
Next week, so probably a week. OK, so.
Probably a week from today. Yeah, cool.
So it might already be out at that point, but doggettstyle.com
or Doggett style on YouTube, there's only one of me.
We will put links. To all of your stuff, you send
them over to me Evan and we'll we'll get them all put in the

(02:03:28):
the video description here. Awesome.
Awesome. Well.
Thank you for coming on, appreciate it.
Everybody look up Evan and checkout his social media stuff.
Lot of funny videos. The one where you would took
your pants off caught me off guard.
I was. Dying laughing, but I think
people, you know, check out his videos.
They're funny, but they're also proving a point.

(02:03:50):
They're talking about things we all see as trainers or dog
owners. It's I love your content.
Thanks man. Appreciate it.
Thanks for having me on here andnot your love to everybody.
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