Real Training Stories From Our Week

The guys each ran through a couple of training scenarios/stories from their week. From witnessing a dog attack to socializing a Frenchie, they each had an interesting week!

Episode Transcript

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I've wanted to talk about this for like the last few episodes,
but actually I haven't been here.
Yeah, I'm going to say if you show up, it would be a lot
easier to do this stuff, but OK.So we have this really cool
intro music now, right? And everybody else gets to hear
it and get pumped up. But you never play it for us.
Like I want to get pumped up before it starts.
Can we do that? Can we play it like for

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ourselves? I agree.
OK, let's let's do it. We'll figure.
It out, so next time we're playing the music.
Full on. Love it, Let's do it, Love it.
We're doing stuff, we're making changes right here.
I love how you just skip like 10episodes in a row and then show
up and you're like. We should change literally
everything. Change everything.

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The whole setup needs to change.So let's do this weekly recap.
Who is starting? This should be hopefully a fun
episode. If anyone hasn't heard one of
these before, it's just we'll talk through some things we saw
or did this week as dog trainersand we'll see where the
conversation takes us. Voss, you look like you're.
Right. Yeah, I want to start because it
just happened like two hours ago.

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So this morning I'm driving to train with our Orlando area
trainer and Covey and I yesterday were talking about dog
attacks. And if you've been anywhere near
our social media or YouTube, you've probably seen that.
We got a couple of videos about dog attacks going on right now.
And we were just talking about what I would do during a dog

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attack. I had mentioned how I would look
at my surroundings first, and this morning on the way to train
with our trainer, I see a guy walking with headphones on, just
minding his own business, strolling down the street and
out of nowhere a cattle dog comes charging out of a yard to
attack the guy. And this dude was a baller, so

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he jumped out of the way. There was a garbage can to his
left. He jumped over off the sidewalk
towards the garbage can. Pulled a twig out of the garbage
can, hauled off and whacked the dog as it went.
Twig, stick, branch, I don't know whatever.
Twitch, what they used to call that a switch.

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A switch. I don't know which one it
classified as. Pulled it out, whacked the dog
on the nose, it yelped, turned and ran away from him.
Dude just then strolled across the street, sort of looking back
at the dog. But like, one, what are the odds
that that happens right after wewere talking about it, right?
And that I get to witness it that close?

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And then two, like I said, I think the dude reacted
unbelievably well to the situation and stopped an attack
like dead in its tracks. I mean, I'm impressed that he
didn't just use the whole can, right?
And like, try and keep distance between himself.
Instead, rummage through the dumpster and like oh this will

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work for sure, I got it. It was all one, it was all one
fluid motion. Like there was no rummaging.
Like he literally jumped over toit and like as he's jumping
towards it is grabbing the stickout of the bin, right?
Like it's sticking out to the side.
He grabs the stick out of the bin and then just.
Wax it. That is incredible.

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What's the most interesting is lost.
You had called me about this earlier today because Nelson, we
literally yesterday lost posted on one of our thing on one of
our videos and said or one of our posts about dog attacks
where we were soliciting people's input.
I would grab a stick or something close by if it's
available and you know, didn't use that to defend myself.
And then he just like manifestedthat in real life and it

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happened that the next day so. Ready bonkers.
It's crazy when you talk about something, then it happens.
And I would have expected peopleto come back to my comment
online and be like, when you're ever going to be by a stick or
there's never going to be something in the area that you
can use right? Where everybody's like jumping
to conclusions and then Wham, bam, in real life right in front

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of you. I'm always intrigued by our the
dog attack short, the one that'sgot like 3 or 4 million views.
There's overwhelmingly positive comments, but there's so many
where people are like, you're a dumbass, why would you fight the
dog? Like use a stick or climb a
tree? Yeah, of course, dude.
If there's a tree right next to you and you'd know how to climb

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trees, climb it. Or if you have a stick, sure,
use the stick. But the one time I was attacked
by a true off leash dog there was no tree close by and no
stick close by so. No garbage can full of.
When people were like, pull out your gun, yeah, I guess if you
have a gun on you and you're comfortable using it and you
really want to kill the dog, then I guess go for it.

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But I'm always intrigued when people think there's always a
stick handy to be. Fair, you don't have to kill the
dog, you could just shoot it at the ground or something.
But but yes, everything else I agree with so far.
And, and, but it's great advice if there's a stick there.
Yeah, if you can get that stick,get 2 hands on it, and put it
across that dog's nose as hard as possible, there's a good

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chance the dog's done immediately.
And and that's a tough dog too, right?
I mean, a cattle dog is pretty tenacious.
They once they decided they wantsomething, I mean, they're full
force for it. So I mean, it's it's impressive
that he was one, fast enough because they're speedy and then
two, got the right hit on it that truly no damage happened to

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the dog, but completely stopped it in his tracks and sent it
running the other way. It is impressive.
One of the things that I think super impressive, I don't know
if he had anything on on his headphones, right, but I always
feel like if people are walking around with their headphones on,
they're somewhat oblivious to the world around him.
So the fact that he basically saw the dog coming or heard the

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dog coming, however, he learned that the dog was coming at him
and had enough time to react. I was super surprised by that
too. Were they white headphones by
chance? No.
No, I. Think they were Gray.
It's not a detail I paid a ton of attention to.
Though that's probably fair. With Nelson, it is always color,

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but the iPhones have that whatever pass through passive
hearing I think is what they call it in their headphones so
that you can still stay somewhat, you know, connected to
your environment. Does it have a dog attack alert?
Like it started like going off in his ear that it was about to
happen that. 'D be impressive.
You know again it's it's happening more and more right

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these off leash dogs that are charging at people.
I was doing a follow up I think it was it was like last weekend,
the weekend before last I guess would probably be the the better
way of putting it and they are we went for a walk around the
neighborhood and the dog was really it was a reactive hound

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dog and on one walk in one neighborhood, 2 off leash dogs
came charging at US1. There was no owner around or, or
anything like that. And so it came, I immediately
turned around, started charging the dog and like, hey, get out
of here, go get, get. And the dog ran back behind its

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fence, kind of peering over, waiting for me to turn around so
it could come back out. So, you know, we did that a
couple of times while the owner was getting away.
But then the second one was a German Shepherd mix thing.
And this one was kind of funny because it it charged to a
certain line. So yeah, I was, I was kind of

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impressed by that. The, you know, the clients were
still pretty freaked out, but I was a little impressed with the
fact that the German Shepherd only only went up to a certain
line and kind of held it while staring at us.
But the owner was there. And so he was like, hey, knock
it off and like, don't move and stay.
And, you know, like just just you saying anything that he

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thinks will keep the dog there. But I had noticed that his hand
was like slowly going towards the dog.
And so I was like, OK, well, if he feels like he should be
grabbing the dog, there's still a chance that the dog might come
after us, you know, So I'm kind of positioning myself in between
the client and the dog still. And the dog never moved, to be

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fair, you know, to be fair to the German Shepherd thing that
it was never moved. But the the way that the owner
was hesitating, I was like, I bet that dog has been that owner
at least once, you know, And it was like hesitant to grab it
while it was so highly focused on on us.
I was like, man, that could havebeen bad.
Could you know? I'm happy about how it turned

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out, but that could have been bad.
And just a contrary thought, could be a dog that runs from
him and you know, he know the dog knows when he's about to get
grabbed a bolt. So he was going slow to kind of
sneak up and Bam grab him. But he never actually grabbed
him, you know, no. So his hand was like slowly

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going, but it kind of just like I, I don't know, floated right
above them. So I mean, maybe, you know,
maybe it is still a dog, but I don't know.
The guy just kind of seemed worried about grabbing the dog
so. Well, let's move on.
We only get one dog attack storyper weekly recap.

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So, Nelson, I hope none of yourswere dog attack.
What do you got? You know the one, I guess.
So I have two stories. I don't know how many stories
we'll actually have time for, but both of them are along the
same vein of environment and where your training plays a
role, which, you know, as I say it out loud, it seems obvious,

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but especially to the, to the owners, it, it wasn't
necessarily as obvious as as I would have thought it was.
The bigger one was a German Shepherd that I was working with
and he's doing like a, a 15 pack.
So a large, large package because the dog also resource
guards to varying degrees with, with people and at home inside

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the house, the dog crushes obedience commands.
It's really, really good. Very, very responsive, not calm,
but very, very good at obediencecommands.
Just, you know, like he says it.And the dog is like itching and
bolty and real twitchy, but likedoes every command really well.
But when we go for walks around the neighborhood or anything

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like that, I mean, like all of it just goes away, right?
It's a it's a whole new environment.
It's very, very excited about what's going on.
And so therefore it just it won't do anything.
It won't even sit right. It takes a long time even just
to get the sit down in in the neighborhood.
And I was telling him like, Hey,you know, environment plays a
huge role because inside the house, you're the most exciting

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thing in the house right now. So of course it's going to
listen to you. Even if it's not getting calmer,
it's just having fun. Where in the neighborhood you
lost that battle, right? There's other dogs, there's
other people, there's, you know,noises and smells and all that
stuff. And so that's why, you know,
progressing in kind of AAI don'tknow in a smart way, in a

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planned out way really makes a huge difference.
And I end up taking the dog to group training for us, which was
Wednesday yesterday. And we went to a forest reserve
and same thing. I mean, like, it was, it was
tough. We got through sit down and
stay, but it was tough to do it while the other trainers were

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training their dogs. And then we're at a really busy
forest reserve. So people were all over the
place. And it was like, again, if I
were back at this guy's house, this dog would have been just
doing everything I asked for. But the environment makes a huge
difference. And so, you know, prepare for
that kind of stuff if you're training your own dog.

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I like that and I work hard at preparing clients for that.
I use the phrase, you know, if all things being equal, all
things being equal, he'll he'll do the same tomorrow as he did
today, but all things are not going to be equal.
We don't know. It's might be harder, might be
easier. And the example I often give,
like if your spouse comes home and you're like, oh, this will
be awesome. I'm going to show them the down

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stay and come. We worked on today like it's not
going to be as good when your spouse walks in the door. 0
percent chance of that because you've never worked on that
scenario. And you and I are working right
now around food and we did it 10times in a row.
So of course it's perfect by time 10.
And I think it's really helpful for people to hear.
Definitely. And I think you just added a
spin to what Nelson was talking about that I was thinking of of.

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You know, Nelson was talking about inside the house and
outside the house. You were talking about different
situations that might happen in the same place.
But one thing that I noticed happens a lot too is people will
do different things in differentrooms or outside in the backyard
with their dog. Like maybe outside in the
backyard is where they always play with them.
So you do obedience inside the house, the dog's perfect.

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You go out in the backyard and the dog doesn't can do a single
thing you say because that's theplace they associate with play
and it can happen in, like I said, it could be like a
different room, like in the living room the dog listens and
then the dining room the dog doesn't, right, Because you're
doing something different in those places.
So I think that's an interestingway to look at it and think
about training, as well as training places where you do

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different stuff with the dog andmake sure you get the same
result. Definitely, Yeah, that's a good
point because, you know, we it gets cold where I live for, you
know, like seven months out of the year and having a basement,
right. The basement is where I'll go
play with the, you know, the boys and the dogs.
And so same thing. They always get jazzed up going

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down to the basement just because they associate it with
that kind of high drive, rough play.
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well. All right, should move to my
first one. Let's do it.
All right, so this one, it's like a 2 fold.
First off, I'm working with a a client who has a small doodle
that they're having trouble socializing with other dogs.
It's not like it's not a terrible dog.
They don't have enough dogs in the neighborhood to socialize it

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with and it has fear issues of bigger dogs.
So I said, well, I'll just, I dothis a lot.
I'll pick the dog up, I'll bringit back to my house and
socialize it with mine and then bring it back later in the day.
And you, you know, you guys knowmy dogs and they're really good
for this type of work because they're not reactive.
And so I've got one like my bigger 1 is like 85 lbs is just

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like she's good at correcting another dog if needed, but
doesn't go, doesn't go overboard, has a very high 10,
you know, tolerance for, you know, craziness from other dogs.
My cattle dog is very big on ignoring.
So the dog's bothering him like the worst.
They'll just give a grumble and trot out of there and just like
go stand and watch from a, you know, more of a distance.

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So they're both good at this in their own way.
So I bring this dog back and youguys, I think vlog she'll be the
one who hates this because of the way I did my intro.
But I do my intro if I I trust that doodle, I knew it was not
going to attack my dogs. No chance of that.
And I knew they weren't going toattack it.
So I had the doodle on the leashfor a second.

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I had my dogs come out and they saw the dog and I made them, you
know, stay back for a second. And then I unhooked the doodle
and just let it go. And you know, I did this and for
everyone, listen, I knew my dogswould not chase it like psychos
if it ran off. So it like looked at them, it
went up, they went up to it. And then she threw herself on
her back and was nervous. And then as they as one was

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smelling, she gave a couple of little like half snaps.
So you know, like pure fear based nothing even remotely
dangerous, just her, you know her bad.
So mine kind of backed up and stood there and then she looked
at them like what? What are you going to do?
Like in like didn't know how to handle it.
So then she went up and smelled them a little bit and within
like 10 minutes they were playing and having fun.

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So successful dog intro and theythey had a blast.
Got some good videos for the client.
But what I think might be interesting for listeners is the
dog is new to E collar training.So on my list was to E collar
trainer while she was here a little bit, you know, put some
time in. But based upon what I saw with
the dogs and the fact that she came out of her shell and played

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with a big dog for the first time ever and was like dive
bombing my big dog and like jumping on her and trying to
wrestle with her. I was very hesitant to call her
off of the dog. And the reason for that is I did
not want to ruin the play session.
And there's always a chance thatyou call a dog off for that.
And maybe they listen. But even if they listen, they
might be done with playing wherethey're like, yeah, especially

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if plane is new to them. Or what if I had to correct her?
What if she really blew me off and now I have to go stop her
from running from me and I correct her?
With this being her first time playing with the big dog,
there's a chance that she just doesn't want to go back to it.
And that was a risk I did not want to take.
So I did literally 0 E collar work until I.
And the reason I'm telling the story is the client found it

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interesting when I and so that Iexpanded to the client why I
made my choices. And then after they played for a
while, I did like, I don't know,5 or 10 minutes, let's say of E
collar work at the end. It was useful, but I still want
to, I need to practice sometime calling her off of the chase
when she's chasing another dog. But I made the game time
decision yesterday was not the day for it.

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So I think that's useful for people to think about because
I'm sure you guys have seen thiswhere sometimes you're trying to
do 2 things at once and they're opposite of each other.
And control and listening is thekind of the opposite of coming
out of your shell and expressingyourself.
And without a doubt that that day coming out of her shell and

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expressing herself was way more important.
So I kind of threw training out the window.
And then after they played, I did some work on on the color
and it was fine. But just want clients to think
about that. Know your goal of your session.
Know what's important. And if there's one thing that's
more important or one thing that's really hard to set up,
then work on that that day. And if something else is

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contrary to it, do that thing another day.
So that's good. That's exactly what I was
thinking too, is if it's hard toset up right, it's way harder to
find other dogs that we like, other dogs that I'm willing to
kind of, you know, use in training where E collar, you
know, recall we can do anywhere,you know, you don't necessarily

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even need a dog. You could find other
distractions or anything like that.
So it's definitely a good call there because again, it would be
harder to find other dogs ratherthan finding another opportunity
to work on E collar stuff. Yep.
And last nuance I'll leave you with on this would be for

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listeners. You have to know the dog and
there's so many variables. If this dog was chasing my dogs
and I didn't like its behavior, I would've been working E collar
like crazy. So if she was being rude and
like chasing them and unmanageable, I'd make a
completely different decision. I loved her behavior.
She was coming out of her shell and it was all great.

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So. But there's a lot of nuance
here. Lost.
It looked like you were startingto say something.
I was just going to give people background for why you said that
I might hate the way you did theintroduction.
So for anyone who hasn't listened to some of her past
episodes, Nelson and Covey were very much just like, let the dog
run free. And I was like, why not be a
little bit a little bit more cautious and take your time

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letting them interview. So like how come we don't have
muzzles and and the stick? You know that.
I don't think I went that far. Break sticks and muzzles.
So I will admit my way of doing it is harder, takes a lot more
dog experience and it takes the right dogs.
If you, if you're missing a dog experience or the right dog,

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then you don't, don't do it the way that I'm suggesting.
I did that and I've owned the wrong dog for this before.
So my American bulldog mix wouldnot be the right dog for this
because if a dog went after her too aggressively, she's ready to
throw down. She wouldn't start it, but she
wasn't going to back down, right?
So there's some dogs that even if they're good dogs, they're

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not the right dog to put in thistype of environment.
And there's no shame in that, right?
It's just knowing the animals. Kind of like that, you know,
there's there's no shame in that, that just because she
couldn't do this one thing doesn't mean in every other
aspect that you wanted her to excel at, she didn't excel at.
So I tell all of my clients, like I don't need your dog to be

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a social butterfly if they want to be awesome.
But you know, even if your dog is just like, I don't want to be
friends with other dogs or otherpeople or anything, but behaved
exactly how you needed them to behave.
Awesome. Yeah, good.
Nelson. I like that.
Pat, you should get that tattooed on you.
I don't need your dog to be a social butterfly.

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But if they can. All.
Right. We are we doing 62nd solution
now or are we doing another round of stuff from the week?
There is a 62nd question in the agenda.
Doesn't look like either of you are in set agenda.
Dude, I'm in it right now. I you can't see me, Look, I'm

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right here. To be fair, I don't have like a
double monitor like quadruple monitors that you guys have and
all the fancy gadgets and things.
OK, so you've got this. Do you want me to call someone?
I got it all loaded up for you. I don't understand, my phone is

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on airplane mode and yet I got text messages while we were on
this. Is it from other Apple people?
I have no idea. Airplane mode's just a
suggestion, it's not a real estate.
All I know is it says it's a number I don't have and I
thought it said it was Trace Atkins.
It is not Trace Atkins for the record.

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It's just a similar name. So I wonder what Trace Atkins is
up to these days. Not texting me, I can tell you
that apparently. Is that like a country singer?
Yeah, that's a country singer. Not like a country singer is a
country singer I. Don't know.
Has he released anything lately?I feel like he's what, 20 years?
20 years ago, probably. I don't know but should I call
Twyla? Sure.

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It's happening. I already pushed the button.
She also sounds like a country singer.
This. Is Twila Twila.
This is Matt Covey. You're live on the air with No
Wrong Wrong podcast with that One's raining with suburban
canine. That hurt right here.
Good, how are you? Nelson and Vloss are freaking

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out right now because I almost used the wrong podcast name.
Oh no. But hey, it's my first time ever
making that mistake that's I'm going to call that a win you.
Can just how professional does she answer that she answers her
phone? Extremely professional.
I know you can't hear them. I don't think you can.
Twila's very professional. That's she's just a professional
person. Twila, Are you ready for a 62nd

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solution? I guess I.
Am OK. So remember here are the rules
you get 60 seconds and that thatincludes your time to ask
questions. So I would suggest don't ask any
and just make assumptions and you can make any assumptions you
want. Are you ready?
I am ready. All right, you are training a

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lab mix that shows no interest in playing fetch.
The owner really, really, reallywants the dog to play Frisbee.
How would you work through this situation?
OK, that's a great question. I think my first question to the
owner would be, is he food motivated?
If so, then I'm going to start associating that Frisbee with

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maybe his favorite food or treats, and then maybe even
treating it a little bit like a command in the beginning.
You know, teaching him to grab the Frisbee and then teaching
him to drop the Frisbee. A lot of people want Frisbee to
be really fun in a fun activity,but if that's not your dog's
version of fun, then they're notgoing to get there by

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themselves. So maybe we have to treat it a
little bit more like a training game and then eventually down
the line, hopefully with adding in some treats and some food
motivation, maybe he would startto enjoy it and then you can
start removing that aspect and having a good time with your
dog. Awesome.
You did it. And you didn't run out of time,

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Twyla, I told you, Twyla's professional.
Dude, wow. She's a professional dog
trainer, too. Like 3 seconds left and she
nailed it. So let's just give a real quick
recap while Twyla's on the phone.
I like the points of basically everything you said.
Food, you know, use food if needed to motivate the dog.
Consider it training because thedog's clearly not doing it as a

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game. So if you want this to happen,
you might have to try to make itlike, you know, part of training
at first. But you also hit on a big point
of knowing the dog. And I think the only thing I
would expand on would be maybe asking the client, is this worth
it? Do we really want to go down
this road of Frisbee? But I like that you put it out
the dog, know the dog, that the dog doesn't do this naturally.

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So we're going to have to work really hard at it.
And that could spark a good conversation with the person.
Yeah, absolutely. I think a lot of people expect
their dogs to play Frisbee, you know, because it's just a common
dog activity. But not all dogs enjoy that.
So, you know, you might look into finding something else that
your dog really enjoys. Maybe it's tug or maybe it's
just doing puzzle games with them.

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But yeah, Frisbee is not always the answer.
But if you want to go down that road, you might have to put a
little bit of more time and effort into it.
All right, well, if anyone has Frisbee questions, we will
direct them to our new Frisbee expert, Twyla.
Thanks. Thanks Twila, have a good day.
Yeah, y'all too. All right, bye.

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Did you guys think there was a hole in that question and if so,
what do you think? It was like an error in the
question. You have a.
Young lab that the owner wants to play.
That doesn't like to play fetch at all.
A lab that doesn't like to play fetch?
Does that exist? Well you said a lab mix, so

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that's not even a lab in my opinion.
Lab mix means it's not a lab. It means it's a Pitbull.
It's funny, when I wrote the question, I wrote it as a lab
and I said that's not believable.
The lab would want to play fetch.
So I added lab mix for that exact reason.
I had a golden for sure a pit. It's a pit shepherd mix.

(28:07):
It's a pit shepherd mix is what it was.
I had a golden retriever mix that I I couldn't get him to
fetch anything. Yeah, because he was part shell.
Guaranteed. Probably that would make sense.
He's a dead. Retriever mix.
He has a purple tongue. It's kind of weird.
So why? I did want to throw one other
thing out there from my experience and trying to teach a
dog to play frisbee who didn't want to play catch is you might

(28:30):
be better served to start with something that's not a frisbee,
like a tennis ball. The frisbees can be tough for
them and I think generally speaking a ball seems like an
easier object. So if they want nothing to do
with fetch, it might be a good idea to start with something
easier and then once they get interested in it, move to
something like a frisbee. Yeah, that's pretty good.

(28:51):
I never thought about that, but I do like that because you could
just dunk that tennis ball and like bone broth or something,
right? And then just make it taste
really good. And another option would be so I
don't play with normal frisbees so I know some people do but any
dog I've ever had will crunch one of those and it's just not
worth it. So I'd be using rubber but also
they have those rings and if thedog enjoys it you could play.

(29:14):
Try playing tug of war and you play tug of war.
You out them, you toss it, they go get it because they want to
play more tug of war. They bring it, you know they get
it, you talk more, you out them,then you throw it again.
And if the dog likes that game, then there's a chance maybe you
find a new game or that's just tug, or they bring it to you and
you slowly phase out the tug andit's just a lot more frisbee.

(29:37):
That's a great point. That's what I've always I, I
liked your point about maybe this isn't the right sport or
the right game or the right activity.
Because usually I can find a, a more fun game that the dog would
actually enjoy to play and not be so difficult to, to kind of

(29:58):
teach. Because it is kind of difficult,
right? To get them hyped up enough to
actually go grab the toy can be a daunting task.
So I also you mentioned the rubber frisbee and this is a non
sponsored commercial. Kong's Black Frisbee is an
absolute great frisbee to use for teaching a dog to play with
a frisbee. I think by far my favorite, way

(30:19):
better than any plastic one. Oh, yeah, those are nice.
All right, we're back to the thetop of the docket.
It's back to you. You've lost.
You have another story or we canskip you in.
Well I don't know if you guys are going to accept this as a
story, a dog training related story or not.
So why to find out? Open AI rolled out ChatGPT 5 and

(30:44):
I've been playing with that. We use AI quite a bit for the
business end of things and back.Oh, I don't know, six months ago
we had also tried to teach it tobe a dog trainer and didn't have
a lot of success. So I haven't gotten a chance to
to dive into this aspect of it, but I have been playing with the

(31:05):
new ChatGPT 5 this week for, like I said, sort of back end
related things and it's doing a really good job.
So I'm sort of excited because Ithink I'm going to try and teach
it to be a dog trainer again andsee if we have different
results. So that's sort of the other big
thing I have going on. Do you guys accept that story or

(31:26):
no? Sure.
Why not? Yeah, you're just sharing your
week and you should be welcomed with this is a safe space to
share things. Good, I feel so safe.
You should. All right, Nelson, what do you
got? The second one, following the
theme of environments is AI was doing a house call with it's a

(31:53):
cockapoo is what it is. I always get mixed up if like I
need to say doodle or poo or what, you know, because like
they're they're all different, they're all the same and yet
they're all different. But anyways, I was working with
this dog and he's a resource Garter as well.
A cockapoo that bites people. Can you believe that?
I was going to ask if you brought hydrogen peroxide and

(32:14):
band aids to the lesson. But no, but I did bring boots.
So they they made a comment one time too, like isn't it had
enough for shorts yet? And I was like, I was like, no,
I can deal with the heat, but really I was like, not around
your dog dude. So, but same thing, well, I

(32:35):
guess not the same thing. It's kind of the reverse.
While we were trying to work on resources, right?
We started off with just toys because it it didn't actually
resource guard toys. So we use that as an analog to
kind of get really good at drop it, you know, getting the owners
really, really confident and drop it, not only dropping the
toy, but also backing off of thetoy.

(32:56):
Not just kind of like, yes, I dropped it, but I'm right here
and I'm still willing to kind ofguard.
And so we started working on. It was like a pig year was the
first one and then the white bone with the peanut butter in
the middle was the second one that we were working on.
And I was giving the things to the dog.

(33:18):
The dog is very, very smart. And so even though it likes me,
it doesn't like to really do anyreal training or anything like
that because obviously, you know, all training is tough for
him. He would rather just bite and
run away as per use of him. And what, when we're inside the

(33:38):
house and we even went to the backyard to try it out, he just
wouldn't guard the thing, you know, even though he wanted it
and he was kind of searching around with it.
And I had him on a leash so thathe didn't just tuck himself in a
hole. And we actually ended up in a
situation where we weren't readyfor, you know, he would hold the
thing, I would ask him to drop it.
He would spit it out immediatelyand have zero reaction to the

(34:01):
fact that I was grabbing it. But these are these are items
that the owners assured me like he would fight for these things.
He would absolutely bite for these, for these types of bones
and things. And so it's crazy that he's not
doing anything. And that's what, you know, when
we started talking about environment and so much so that
I, I walked him down to a park and without the owners, it was

(34:24):
just me and the dog because I wanted to get him away from his
house and his safety people and all of the, and all the little
tricks. Because all he was doing was
just trying to sit down next to the owners and sit down next to
the owners because they're not going to ask me to do anything.
And I can kind of avoid this whole training session if, if I

(34:44):
just go to one of my safe spots.And then luckily at the park,
you know, we were actually able to get a reaction.
It was still a little subdued, which to me was perfect, right?
I don't need to see a full blownattack, especially when my hand
is what, you know, like would take the brunt of it.
But again, environment also equaling people.

(35:06):
So Covey, kind of what you were talking about with the wife
coming home, you know, that being a significant change to
the environment too. We only got any work done
because I took it away from the owners and I took it away from
the house, right? To the point where it was either
I really liked his bone and I have nowhere else kind of quote
UN quote safe to run away to, orI just don't take the bone.

(35:31):
And I told the owners that, hey,that's that's an option as well,
right? He could just literally not grab
the bone and not do anything about it.
But at least we got some work done.
And again, the concept really being that sometimes you have to
get creative where you're training if you're not getting
the results that you're looking for or or the setup.

(35:54):
It's a good, good little synopsis of the scenario.
Nelson. I like that food aggression is
tough, and it's tough to sum up quickly as well.
Yeah, for sure. Well, for my next one, I'll let
you guys choose. I have two other things that I
liked. One actually dovetails.
It's similar to Nelson's. It's not resource guarding, but

(36:15):
it's situational and the dogs did not do what we expected
based on the situation. The other one is helping someone
pick out a new dog. What do you like better?
Let's do picking out a new dog. OK, so I have, you know, you
guys know this, I'm assuming most of our listeners do.

(36:36):
We have services where we help people pick out.
We have one where we'll help youpick out the right breed for
you, which is huge. We have another we'll actually
go and help you pick out the right dog from a litter or at
the rescue. I have some good friends that
wanted to get a dog and we've been talking for the last few
months about what kind of dog toget and I finally convinced them
to get a golden retriever they had.

(36:57):
They were all over the map like they just won a dog and so many
of the breeds they were choosingwere not appropriate for what
they want out of their dog. And what do they want?
They wanted to be a nice dog. They wanted to be good at their
kids. They want kitten neighbor kids
to be able to walk in and the dog hopefully be perfect.
They want the neighbor kids parents to be able to walk in

(37:18):
with the kids and the dog doesn't know them and hopefully
likes them right away. So clearly they did not want a
guard dog. They didn't want a dog that's
super high energy because they have a busy lifestyle.
They're home a lot, but you know, didn't want a dog that
needs like crazy amounts of workand training and socializing.
So one of their first picks was a shepherd and I walked him
through like, this is literally the opposite of everything you

(37:40):
say you want out of a dog, right?
And then we, we talked to some other breeds.
So we went back and forth and finally they liked the idea of a
golden. I was like, yes, this is the dog
that meets all of your criteria.So I went to help him pick out a
dog for the reason that you guysknow that not all Golden's are
going to be the same. Now they're pretty darn good
breed, but they might not be allthat good.

(38:02):
And they were very, very appreciative of me going with
and of course, and they're good friends.
And I told him if you guys get the wrong dog I'm going to be
stuck helping you for free so I might as well just go with you
and help you pick out the right one right away.
Can make life easy. So we went and we picked out and
we met the dog and I watched. It was a like 8 month old dog.
I wanted to see what is its bodylanguage like when it saw the

(38:22):
children. Soft body language like it saw
the kids. It was like you could see the
happiness in the dog's eyes and mouth and wagging its tail.
Liked everybody. No issues with other dogs, no
issues with the garden resourcesand the dog was just overall
great. And what I always try to stress
to people is picking out the right and the dog's untrained,

(38:42):
completely picking out the rightdog, if it's got a good
personality, training is so easy.
But if you pick out the wrong breed or the wrong dog, training
is going to be 10 times more work to try to pigeonhole them
into what you want. And you might not even be able
to do it. You might end up with a dog
who's really good and it's it's they're living up to like their

(39:03):
best potential, but their potential is not what you kind
of had in mind and what you expected.
So it took us a while to find them the right dog and then it
took, you know, I went with to evaluate.
But now they have a dog, you've had it for like a week and
they're like this dog's amazing.It's just great.
We love the dog. We're so happy we got it and a
little bit being done in the front end, it makes life so much

(39:24):
easier. So I would encourage all the
trainers listening, you know, ifyou don't offer that service to
your clients, do it'll make yourlifeway easier them way, you
know their lifeway easier. And then you get a client out of
it who's just so happy, right, because they've got the right
dog for them. Absolutely tons.
I think I told you guys. Oh, go.
Ahead, I was going to say tons of stuff to unpack there.

(39:46):
I think the first thing is it sounds like you didn't run them
through our like official quiz to find the right breed.
I should have. Yeah, you should have, you
should have gone full on ran them through it and seeing what
they got. But I, I think really the
biggest point that you made and that nobody seems to listen to

(40:06):
is that you shouldn't be pickinga breed off of looks alone and.
95% of the people who you ask why they got the dog they did is
because it looked cool or it's the type of dog they always
wanted, but not anything about what that breed actually does,
was bred for, or is like. I told them if the dog has

(40:31):
pointy ears or a tail that goes up above the plane of its body,
that's not going to be the breedfor you.
I can't think of a single example to that.
For someone who doesn't want a dog that guards or a tenacious
dog or a working dog. I can't think of a single dog
that meets that criteria and haspointy ears or tails up.

(40:52):
Not with pointy ears, that's forsure.
That was a good, that was a goodkind of bar right there.
Yeah, when you're scrolling pictures online, you see the
ears are up. Yeah, that's not the dog for me.
It's cool looking. That's cool, but.
That dog is, it might bite Billy's dad.
That's the thing you have to be aware of.
All right, Nelson, what were yougoing to say?
Oh yeah, I was going to say, yeah, that I think I've told you

(41:15):
guys before that if family is talking about getting a dog or,
you know, anyone that my kids are going to be spending a lot
of time with, I tried to be veryinvolved in the picking of said
puppies just because, you know, again, people will go based off
of looks or think that a certainbehavior is cute because it's a

(41:39):
tiny little puppy as opposed to what it will kind of manifest to
be. And I would like my job to be
very, very easy when it comes toprotecting my kids and dogs and
all of that stuff from interacting with each other.
So. Yeah, ounce of prevention is
worth a pound of cure. Did I say that right?

(42:00):
I've never heard that before, Yeah.
Makes sense, right? You sure?
I mean, you can even. Translate into kilos if that's
helpful to you. Kilos. 100 milligrams of
prevention is worth a kilo of cure.
A spoonful of sugar will help the medicine go down.
I remember that one. That's very apartment.

(42:23):
Nelson, that's very, very apartment.
All right. Well, should we wrap up?
Did we get through? We got through our stories.
I think so. All right.
Well, thank you for listening, everybody.
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