The 3 Step Process For Eliminating Undesirable Dog Behavior

This episode is fully focused on our 3 step process for correcting unwanted behavior and calming a dog down. As you listen to the episode you will notice that this process is extremely simple and can be applied to a huge variety of situations. Drop a comment with any questions!

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to Balanced Training with Suburban Canine.
Today we're walking you through our three-step process for
eliminating undesirable behaviorin your dog.
Sometimes we'll call this our three-step correction process,
but to be honest, that doesn't really do it justice because
this process is not just about correcting.
You're going to find out one of the three components is a
calming technique and that is crucial.

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And I want you to really think about it as we walk through this
because there are many times that you can't simply distract
your dog or even discipline yourdog can expect the results you
want. Sometimes your dog is too
excited, maybe they're over a threshold.
They're not in a state where they're able to learn or calm
down and you need a technique you can use to calm them down in
that moment. So as we walk you through this,
I hope it makes sense. I hope you enjoy the episode.

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If you have questions, drop a comment.
We would love to answer them foryou.
This is exciting, isn't it? This episode, yes.
Every episode's exciting. Oh, that probably wasn't the
better answer. We're covering some new ground
here that we've not covered at all on this show.
Not once. First.
You're hearing it first. Yeah, now are we going to have

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some witty banter first or we diving right in?
I don't know, what do you want awitty banter about?
Boss, you banter. He's he's the best.
I don't. I don't know about that.
I was going to argue that. We have covered it.
We just haven't talked about what it's called, but I was
going to argue with you guys about.
I don't know. Well, it is.

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We're talking today about the three-step process and before
right before we got on the air. Luckily we finally got started
since somebody forgot about this.
It was me. No, the good thing is when
you're the one who makes the accusation when I say it,
everyone's like, well, it couldn't have been.
Him right? He wanted to call himself out.

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So now I didn't lie and I made myself look better.
So that's that's good. Or worse.
It may be way worse. Yeah.
OK, Full disclosure, I forgot about this, but on a plus note,
I was recording a suburban canine video so it wasn't like I
was just. Like playing.
Frisbee golf or getting a pedicure?
Petty What's? That a Manny Petty.

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All right, so three-step process.
We were talking about this before we started, Nelson.
I was asking you when you first heard about this and you said
one of your initial house calls,right?
Yeah. And that was with me.
That was with you. What year was this do you think?
If I had to guess I would say 2015.
It was about 10 years ago. It was.

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I can't remember exactly where we were, but it was a suburban
house with a decent sized doodle.
He was barking at everything outside the windows.
OK, did we make him better? Yeah.
Oh, for sure. Maybe we should get them on the
show. Maybe we should.
There you go. We should get past clients.

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So like, what was your experience?
But only about the three-step process.
I was thinking the whole thing like, well, how was I looking
that day? What energy drink did I have
there? You go Glass from the past.
You're probably drinking classicRed Bull then.
Classic monster. I think that was his flavour
back then. Nope, it was import.

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Wait, what? Monster import so.
Monster Import. In in Europe they don't like as
harsh of stuff, I guess. So they made the original
flavor, but smoother and it's it's fantastic.
If you like chemical tastes, youknow it's it's great.

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OK, monster import. It tastes chemically.
Yeah, I mean, if you never had amonster, I mean, it tastes.
You taste the poison. There's no doubt about it,
right? It tastes like chemicals.
It doesn't taste good. I had to power through my first
couple of monsters before I got hooked.
So it's like coffee and acquiredtaste.

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Yeah, I'll give you that. OK, I'm not going to acquire
that monster taste. That's probably good.
You know what? You should acquire the new one.
Boom, yerba mate. I don't know what that is, but I
feel better because I'm assumingthat's less chemical than the
crap you normally drink, right? Way less chemical so Yerbamante

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I guess is the type of tea and then they just made an energy
drink out of it. But again, I never remember.
So let's do this. Anyone who's not interested,
Fast forward 30 seconds, maybe aminute, we'll be talking about
the three-step process. But can you read us the
ingredient list on that Cam? Yeah.
OK, so the ingredients are filtered water.

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Love it. Organic cane sugar.
OK organic Yerbamante extract, organic brewed Yerbamante and
elderberries. So.
And. I don't know anything about this
yerba stuff, but this sounds waybetter than a monster.
For sure. I guess there's also because

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this is in parentheses, which seems weird.
Water, organic Yerbamante, organic elderberries and then
organic blueberries. Juice concentrate, citric acid
and elderberry juice concentrate.
Yeah, that seems pretty solid. Seems way.
Better. Super clean, but again, also

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another thing where you have to acquire the taste.
It took me a couple of tries. How many grams of sugar?
Your Sugar's two, but the other ingredients sound like there
wouldn't be many of them in there, so it might not mean
much. Let's see, total sugars is 28
grams. That's kind of a lot.
That's all a lot. There's 1g of protein though, so
that's pretty darn good. Basically health food, basically

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healthy now. All right, well, let's get into
the three-step process. So you heard about this in 2015.
This is a suburban canine original.
Now I think any dog trainer listening is going to hear this
and they're like, Oh yeah, I, I do stuff like that that makes
sense. So this isn't I never, when I
talk to other trainers, I don't hold this out as some like magic

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training technique that nobody could ever understand.
It is really about a way of framing it for customers and
clients, a way that they can understand easily.
And I I know you came to the company right when we were going
through a, a change Nelson of lost.
I know you remember this change of changing to make things
easier for customers and trying to make a lot of things similar

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rather than here's how you do this, here's how you do this.
Everything had its own special way of addressing that worked
really well, but it was way harder for clients.
So the three-step process is about simplification and a
trainer being able to deliver this message to someone quickly.
You practice on two different things, then you're like, oh, I
got it, now I can do the other 98 things.

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So to me, that's what this is about.
Who wants to start? Nelson?
You want to walk us through whatthe three-step process is?
So the first step of the three-step process is going to
be verbally marking the behavior.
And technically it would be a verbal correction, right?
Let's say the dog's name is Ralph.

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I'm going to say Ralph no while he's doing the behavior, not
when I get up to him, not when Icatch him.
It's as I see the behavior happening, I want to say Ralph,
No, I want him to not only know this is what you are going to
get in trouble for, but also again, if you don't need to move
on, you don't need to move on. If he's barking out of the

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window and then he just kind of like lowers his head, walks away
and is like, OK, I don't feel like barking anymore.
Awesome. You're done.
And you don't need the rest of the process.
But the rest of the process would be if the verbal
correction does not work, then we go for a physical correction,
which is really kind of anythingthat interrupts the behavior and

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also makes him not want to do itagain.
Can be the spray bottle. Typically I'm going for tug on
the collar. Anything that gets him to start
deciding of whether whether he wants to continue the behavior
or not. But let's say you know, I tugged
3 times and he doesn't care. You know, the dog is still

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outside, the dog is peeing on his Bush and so he's still going
crazy even though I tugged 3 times.
Again, that's a situation where he's too excited to be able to
to process that information. So I would go to the third step,
which is going to be calming thedog down or hitting a reset
button. That's where I'm going to put a

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leash on and we actually start to heal wherever, you know,
wherever the behavior is actually happening.
Calming him down, getting him into a different mindset, and
then revisiting whatever it is that that he was doing again.
If he was barking out of the window and I had to start
healing past it until he was calm, I'd take him back up to

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the window just to just for someclosure, right?
Just for him to be able to hang out there, not bark and move on.
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well. So the way I explain this to a
client, I feel like the more we can shorten this up, the better.
And then we and then we expand even deeper as we go.
I use the word vocalize for stepone and then I explained more
correct for Step 2 and then calmfor Step 3.
So a lot of times what all rightin a client's home worksheet is

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VCC vocalize correct and then calm if needed.
And then we talked through all of this and already said this,
Nelson. But the first step, the
vocalization, it's meant it's a verbal correction.
You could call it a punishment marker.
You know, it depends how you useit.
And it's kind of the Gray area between, you know, is it still a
punishment marker through time if you're not always correcting?

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And actually, you know, if there's no punishment
afterwards, I'd still call it a punishment marker in my opinion,
because they've learned that no means something because they get
some sort of correction generally after they hear it.
Right. And you hit the nail on the head
with the idea that it needs to happen quickly because very
often the dog's 10 feet away from you.
So even if you know you're goingto go to a physical correction,

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you've got to mark that undesirable behavior really
quickly. And how quick is, you know, up
in the air, like maybe, let's say a half second, right?
You don't have a lot. You don't have 7 seconds and
that might be how long it takes to get to the dog, so that step
is crucial. Definitely.
So I think we should definitely spend time today breaking down

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each step in detail and then talking through how we use this
in a real life example. One thing that I want everyone
listening to think about though,when you were saying some of
this is that the idea is you usethe steps that are needed and
through time you're not going toneed all three.
So as we talked about this todayand you hear it all, and
especially if you're, you know, a dog owner, not a trainer, and

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you're like, wow, that sounds like a lot of work to stop
jumping. Well, through time, you're not
going to need step 1-2 and threeand pretty soon you only need
Step 1 and 2. And then pretty soon you in that
scenario you only need step one and then pretty soon you don't
need any steps and the issues done.
So when we describe this with a dog who's crazy at the window,
well, we're describing day one. So that's going to be the

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hardest. And through time, you're not
going to need each and every step and it's going to get
really simple. But at first it can be a good
amount of work as you're fixing this issue.
So what big picture stuff do we want to hit on?
But before we start diving into the the weeds a little bit.
I think I hit all of my big picture stuff.

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OK, Vloss, do you want to lead us through the first example?
I feel like you love talking about dog training.
You want me to do it? You want Nelson to do it.
World's your oyster. I think it's a great time for
our 62nd question actually, because now you've described
what of the three-step processes, but we haven't really

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gotten into situations where we use it.
So I feel like it's like perfecttiming.
So, you know, insert sound bite.Who am I calling?
I think we're going to try Holly.
OK, I wish you'd put this in a document somewhere.

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Maybe it's there, I don't know. Maybe.
Maybe if you hadn't forgot aboutthis, you would have seen it.
Have we called Holly before? That's a good point.
Have we ever called her for this?
I don't think so clean. Think you're.
Messy. That is such crap. 7/7 this is

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this. Is oh, she's calling back.
OK, Holly, all's forgiven. What's up?
Hey, sorry, did that go to? Voicemail.
Yeah. And you are live on balance
training with suburban canine right now.
And everyone was so angry that you pushed ignore.
For me it was, it was crazy. It's anytime I'm in my kitchen

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it always just goes straight to voicemail so I have no idea why
but am I on it now? Yeah, this is happy.
You're live 0. This is.
Crazy. How are you?
I'm good. How are you today?
What are you doing in your kitchen?
Are you cooking? I am.
I'm making a lunch right now. I love that you're like from
1950. Are you baking things?
Do you have like an apron on andflour everywhere?

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No, but I do need an apron. You should get one.
All right. Are you ready for your 62nd
question? Yeah.
But I'm also scared. Good.
You should be. So remember, you get, you get 60
seconds, that's it. And there's no time.
You can ask questions, but thoseare part of your 60 seconds.
So I'd recommend don't ask questions and just make whatever

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assumptions you want. OK, I can do that.
OK, the question is, am I reading the whole thing?
Lost? This is sort of a giddy dot dot
dot OK. This is sort of a give me dot
dot dot describe in detail your favorite place to utilize the
three-step process. OK, favorite place to utilize

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the three-step process? So do people know what the
three-step process is? This is part of your time?
Yeah, that's actually the whole episode today.
So when do you use it? So I use it in any excitable
situation for a dog. So an example could be door
manners, It could be just general jumping on any guests
that you have, counter surfing. So I would say my favorite time

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to use it is for introductions with people because that's when
people usually see the most benefit.
So you know, if you have somebody over and you know the
dog is super duper excitable, usually I'll burst 20 seconds,
heal if that's the case, but saythey're not, say they're super
excitable, they want to go say hi to the person.

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Usually what I'll do is I'll walk up the dog calmly and if
they jump, I'll say no and issuea correction.
If they continue to jump after that point, which the first step
is no, second step is tug. Time.
Heal time. Oh yeah, I forgot that was 60.
Seconds. That's the most fun part because

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then you can never get out all of your thoughts and then
they're like burning a hole in your head afterwards.
That's. Hilarious.
Well, I think I got a lot of thethoughts.
Out you did I like what you opened with.
We're going to dive into that that you like this for times
when the dog is excited because we've hit on that.
But we didn't really get into the fact that that that's almost
certainly when you're going to be using this.

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So I like that it's going to be a good part of this episode.
Yay, awesome. Well, yay, I'm glad.
I answered. I was wondering if I was going
to get a call one of these days.Good job and have fun with your
cooking. We need like.
We need shirts that we could send the trainers that have been
on the podcast. All right.
See you, Holly. Bye bye.
Like for a correct answer, Nelson, even though we always

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say that the answer is correct no matter what.
Yeah, we need like a 60 seconds challenge champ or.
Something, yes. So I really like what she said
about using this for excited dogs, because that's something
to be very easy for us to gloss over here and not make very
clear to listeners. If your dog is not excitable in

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that moment, you're not going toneed this process.
And when you think about it, I mean, the third step is healing
the calming them down. And we generally use heal.
If your dog's super calm and they just do something
undesirable, there's a good chance the verbal, the
punishment marker is enough and then you're just done.
So almost all we. Count.

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Would that count as not using the process when you technically
did the first step right? You're in the process.
It's semantics for sure. Like yes, it's the first step of
the process. I think for the average client,
though, the average person thinking this through, you're
like, why would I need this whenthe dog is pretty calm?
And the answer is then you just,yeah, you just need step one,

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maybe Step 2. OK, so how many steps until
you've used the process? I mean two certainly, because
now you've used 66.66. He's like, you're only 2/3 in,
you know, you don't even really need it.
That I mean, at that point you that's a super majority.
So when you hit a super majorityof the process for sure you've

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you're in the process. For sure.
OK, so excitement. Where were we before we you
derailed this with Colin Holly Gloss?
Oh yeah, an example. Do we want to go into an example
now? He was going to give examples.
Well, she gave us 1 so greeting people at the front door.
Excited dog greeting people at the front door.

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Yeah, So as as we get into examples, things I want people
to think about are, and Nelson, you said some of this earlier,
when a dog is too excited, a correction is not fair or it's
just not going to work. One correction, I'm not I
shouldn't say it's unfair, but to try to correct away every
problem when the dog is too excited becomes very unfair for

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sure. That's where we really want
people to think about that it like so the the leash you're
having the leash on and meeting people on leash is a good one.
But you said this earlier, Nelson, the the front window.
I think that's I love that example because it spells this
out so clearly. Pick everyone listening.
Picture a dog racing back and forth barking out the front

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window. Someone, another dog walked by
and is out there or whatever andthe dogs going bananas at the
window, barking, jumping, excitable.
And you've tried fixing it. And you can't just say no when
the dog stops. And most likely if you correct
him, it's not going to work. So let's play that out.
First step to me would be, you know, you said this earlier,
Nelson dog's name and then no. So George, no, a stern no.

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As I go walking over there, if George was suddenly chill and
he's like, oh man, I forgot, youdon't like that.
And he trots away from the window.
We're done. That's the end of it.
If it was that easy, clients wouldn't need us.
We wouldn't even be talking about this if it was that easy.
And all of the dog trenders out there know that it's it's not
that easy. You need something more.
So then we moved to a physical correction and there's so many

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options. I like grabbing the collar and
giving a little tug on the collar.
And the hardness of the tug depends on the dog.
It depends on their age, their size, their temperament, the
issue at hand. How how much do they know this
is wrong? Have they been doing this for
six months and you're just starting this today?
Well, that's, you know, you got to ease into that.

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Have you know, have you been trying to fix this for six
months and the dog kind of knowsyou don't like it, but they're
willing to do it. All of those things are relevant
for your level of correction. If you if grabbing a scruff
isn't going to work well, there's awesome tools what you
can use. So we would use, regardless of
the color, use a short leash attached to it.
Or you could drag a six foot leash, right, But there could be

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something attached to it. So we would vocalize.
We would then go up, grab the short leash or just the collar
or the full on drag leash and give them a sharp tug and tell
them no. And in a perfect world, the dogs
now chill like, oh, man, OK, youreally don't like that.
I guess I'll stop if that doesn't work.
That's when we go to calming andalmost always we're going to use

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the heel command. And then we would simply tell
them he'll and walk them back and forth right there through
the living room, wherever we areuntil they chill out until we
can make a left turn and a rightturn without the dog staring at
the window, you know, to where the person was or the dog or
whatever. If you want to get fancy, I like
to get to the point where I can make a right turn and I should

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say an outside turn in case the dog's on the other side of you.
But if the dog's on your left, Iwant to make a right turn, turn
away from the window and the dogto come with me without
guidance. Well, without physical guidance.
And I'm just patting my legs saying he'll and they're able to
focus on me. And if that takes 5 minutes, so
be it. If you really achieve all of
that when you drop the leash, that dog is going to be light

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years better and different than they were when you started.
The odds of them going back and barking right away are pretty
slim and if they do, it's going to be at a lower level.
And if they start barking we would just re enter that
process. I feel like there's so much to
talk about from there. I have one just sort of question

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that's been jumping around in myhead for you too.
So if the dog is new to the three-step process, so like you
haven't done this a bunch of times and it's a really hard
situation where the dog's super excited.
Do you ever change up the steps a little bit where you don't say
no at first because the dog's not going to hear it, not going
to listen, and you go right intohealing or calming?

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You want to take this, Nelson? You want me to?
I can take it. I would always say no, you know,
even though the dog is not goingto respond in a proper way or
really even kind of acknowledge it, to me it's still worth
saying just because I want to lay that foundation of the
marker happens and then whatevereither calming or correcting

(23:25):
goes away. But yeah, let's say it's a
really, really, really young, you know, like 3 month old dog
who's super excited, you know, I, I say at the window, but you
know, like a three month old dogprobably isn't barking out of
the window, but let's say it is and it's so excited, could you
skip straight to heel? Sure.

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You know, personally I don't have a problem.
I've never seen that, you know, disrupt any training or kind of
derail any progress. But also, you know, a normal
correction could work because the correction is always custom
to the dog, you know, So there'sno way I'm going to like RIP a

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three month old dog, you know, hard or anything like that,
especially because I really haven't met one that needed it
right. You would go back to healing.
So as far as skipping to, to a different step or something like
that, or, or tugging first before you say no or anything
like that, usually I tried to keep it consistent and have

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everybody follow the process as numbered just so that they even,
you know, the owners themselves get very, very used to these are
the steps. And this is how we do it.
Even though we know we're going to get to that third, that third
step, still worth it in my mind to kind of go through it.
OK, so Nelson says steps always in order, cubby.

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Well, I like the the last thing you said.
I like the most that to me it's about building habits and muscle
memory for the client. So if you're not, if they say I
don't want to say no yet becauseI don't think he knows it that
to be like, when are you going to start?
And then you're going to have the habit of not doing it.
And then are you going to go up and just correct them without
saying no? That's even worse.

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That's weirder. So that to me is a big part of
it. And then also the dog has to
learn the punishment marker somehow.
So at some point, I mean like they hear the word no.
And if they say well, they tunesit out.
OK, well, he's going to tune it out less once he gets used to
this process. So in that sense, I would go
through the process the way you outlined the question, loss of

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I, I would, I would not say, I would never say, well, don't say
no because he doesn't know it yet.
We'll ease into that. But there are times I'd modify
this and like examples would be if the dog is just level 10,
whether it's aggression, whetherit's just manic behavior, maybe
it's the clients have really nice woodwork by their front

(25:56):
window and they're afraid the dog's going to destroy it and
they don't want it on there. Well, then we're going to start
with heal, but we need to just set it up at that point.
I've already got my, the leash in my hand.
So then it's what you need to tocontrol access to this front
window. The dog can't be loose around
the window. We can work on heel for quite a
while with dogs going by, but then you can't just watch TV

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later with the dog free in the living room because he's going
to get to the window. And then what?
Another example that I might change it and start with heel
would be if the dog is really aggressive, if the owner, you
know, if we haven't been able tolay all the groundwork yet and
we know you go to grab that collar, the dog's going to nail
you in the hand then. And but the front, you know, the
front window is a big enough issue.

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We have to start working on it now.
Then maybe we're healing 1st anddoing that until we get and make
enough progress, get some respect from the dog and get
them to the point where they're less likely to lash out.
But the way you phrased it earlier, I don't think I would
ever just skip the word no. OK.
I think you just talked about two other really important

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things with this, and one of them you mentioned the beginning
is timing and then setting things up.
So in your example, you talked about how you'd want to set it
up. Why is setting things up
important and how does that playinto timing?
Who am I going first this time? I said go for it.
You let Nelson go first last time, OK?

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Well, there's a, there's a lot to unpack there and I'll try to
keep it reasonably brief. So setting it up is so crucial
because then we can work when wewant to.
And what I explained to clients is I want you to work on your
terms, your time, not the dog's terms and not the dog's time.
So if you're a morning person, you want to work on this in the
morning, not 10:00 PM when you're exhausted.

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And then of course, flip that orwhatever.
So you want to work on your terms.
If you can have someone walk their dog by, well, now you can
work on this. At noon when you feel like it,
you can be ready. You're not on a work call.
You're not in the kitchen like Holly baking a loaf of bread.
You're like ready to go. And then on top of that, you're

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able to continue to work until you make progress.
So the hardest thing is someone walks by, the dog flips out, you
calm him down, you let him go. The dog trots back over to the
window and there's no one there,and now he's not barking, but
you're like, did we really make progress?
Or did the dog go back ready to bark and now the person's just
gone? So I'm a big believer in setting

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this up for those two reasons. And I like to, and this is a
big, big, big point in dog training.
I like to flip people's thought process and expectations and
feelings that when the dog does something wrong instead of your
blood pressure rise and you're frustrated or scared or
whatever, see it as yes, he's doing it right now and I'm ready

(28:48):
to work. And that's what we do as
trainers. And that is one of the biggest
things that separates us from clients besides the fact we do
this for a living. Even the skill set is that the
mindset is so different when I have a dog that the client says,
please help me with someone. You know, when the dog walks by
and a dog walks by and the dog freaks out, I'm so excited

(29:09):
because we can work on it. And the client is usually
unhappy because now that it's happened and this is what they
don't like. So I try to flip that with the
client and say, let's get your neighbor to walk by 30 times.
And I want you to know and recognize this is a gift.
Your neighbor is walking by right now.
This is a gift. We can work on this in our time
and our terms. It changes everything and

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mindset. It to me is just so powerful.
I agree with that 1000%. That is a a major change that as
a trainer, when I feel like my clients have made that that
shift, you know, in mindset, I'mlike, oh, OK, we're going to
make a lot of progress here. You know, like once they start

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seeing it as this is the opportunity, not Oh no, this is
the dreaded situation. Things start moving pretty darn
quick from there. So you were right there.
There is a ton to unpack in there because I, I think what
you just focused on is really important.
And I think you touched on another part that's really
important of when you get the dog back to the window, if the

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distractions gone, did you really fix it?
And when you're setting it up, that distraction can stay there.
You want the distraction to still be there when you're
calming the dog down. And then when you put them, you
want it when they're, when they're calm, you want to put
them right back in the situation.
You want to take them right backto the window and that thing
still be there. Yes.

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For best results, no question. In the best case scenario,
absolutely. Now I guess here's a problem and
I guess I could see a lot of ourtrainers having this problem and
never thinking about it. To be fair, it's only because
we're on a podcast. At what point am I correcting a

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behavior versus just training right?
You know, if we wanted to break it down into proactive versus
reactive, in my mind, the three-step process is a reactive
process. It's the dog has done something
wrong and now I am correcting the behavior.
What you were getting to Covey and what you were explaining

(31:16):
earlier is, you know, I modify it because now I'm healing, you
know, in my mind now we're proactive training.
And this isn't, this isn't necessarily the three-step
process, at least how I've always thought of it.
And now I'm just calming a dog down to a situation.
But there's there's nothing to correct because I didn't give

(31:37):
the dog any opportunity to do something naughty.
Maybe that's just semantics in my head, but you know, that's,
that's also a hard question because when do you start
working on food aggression? It's at at the obedience
commands, right? Like in my mind, the the process
started way before we ever got around food.

(31:57):
I don't know. Does that make sense or was that
just a word sound for you guys? And I mean, there's so much we
could dive into there because I don't think we've spent enough
time in this podcast talking about proactive versus reactive.
And just like a 32nd tie in right now would be you have a

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dog who's crazy at the window like we've been talking about.
Well, proactive would be if he'sdoing that with other when he
sees other dogs outside. First off, the most proactive
thing we can do is exercise him every morning early in the day.
You know, he when he's not pet top, he's going to be better and
do a heel walk, play ball, do all these fun things.
I'd also train him in the front yard so the front yard is no

(32:41):
longer like this forbidden fruitcrazy place.
When he's looking through your front window and he sees the
front yard as a training zone, he's going to be better.
Now better doesn't mean perfect.He will be better.
I guarantee he will be. So if you spend time every day
training in the front yard, he has calm connotations of the
front yard. And then if you train in your

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living room as well, now he's ina training zone looking into
another training zone versus he's looking outside and that's
the place he just pulls all the time.
He's wild and crazy. So one of the proactive things
is just teach them to listen in the living room and in the front
yard and they're going to be so much better.
So one thing I do want to flag is we've only been talking about

(33:24):
one scenario and I just want people to think through this
applies to so many different things.
So just even a 10 second, you know, like think about the the
dinner table, like the counter, the dog counter surfing.
Well, every dog is different. So if you have a dog who will
just get up on the counter and you say no Sterling and they get
down, they slick their ears backand they walk off, you're

(33:44):
probably done. You know, the if the dog slicked
their ears back and looks prettysubmissive from the verbal
correction or the punishment marker, I think you're probably
done now. That's not every dog though.
So it what when this comes up inthe counter is when you have a
dog who's like crazy, you say, no, they jumped in.
Maybe they don't jump down or maybe they run off and they
circle around the if you have a kitchen island and you go after

(34:07):
them and they jump up from the other side or they run upstairs
or who knows what. That's the dog who needs more
steps in this process. And your mileage will vary
depending on your dog. Every dog is different triggers.
So your dog could be really chill around the the food and
just kind of tries to take it. It's easy to fix.
Maybe he's not an issue at the front window, but maybe he is

(34:28):
nuts when you put your socks on,right?
How many dogs, young dogs do we see like that, right?
People sit down to put socks on and the dog goes bonkers.
That could be a time you're using the three-step process and
instead of just like pushing thedog away and then they come back
harder. So there's a lot of times we
could be using this. Definitely.

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I think that's. The beauty of the three-step
process that I always tell clients is you don't need to
know 50 different things for 50 different situations, right?
You can apply this in pretty much any situation and the.
Steps are the same definitely yes.
The other thing that I don't think was explicitly said is
that the the longer you do this with your dog and the more used

(35:13):
to the correction process that that they get, you start
knocking off steps as you go. So we we've talked about it and
I've framed it as you don't moveon to the next step and unless
you have to. But the reason I put it that way
is like, let's say it's counter surfing and you know, the first
two times we set it up, I had towalk the dog and calm him down

(35:35):
around the food. Well, that third time I might
not have to, I might just have to tug and the dog is calm and
great. I don't have to walk.
But the longer you go through the process, the the point of it
is for the dogs to start modifying their behavior and
just not getting as excited. And then because they didn't get
as excited, they didn't do the thing.

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And so when when we have new clients and, and we say, hey,
you know, say no and your dog will stop.
And they're like, yeah, no, that's, that's definitely not
going to happen. Like, yeah, today it's not going
to happen. I agree with you.
Again, I wouldn't be here if that was the case.
But I can tell you by next week,you're going to start saying no
and your dog is going to feel way different about it.

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And it's now you're knocking steps off.
I don't have to get to step three anymore.
Now I may or may not have to getto Step 2.
Now we've gotten to the point where I can say no, and the dog
kind of just walks off and understands that it's about to
get in trouble. So it's, there's a big thing
about that of working through ituntil you've eliminated the

(36:43):
problem and you've eliminated the problem by eliminating the
steps. I heard that, Nelly.
Where do I want to go from here?I've got lots of stuff burning
holes in my brain. Boss, you seem like you've got a
framework over there. Do you have a framework?
I mean, we've gotten through a lot of my framework, so if you

(37:06):
have things burning, get them out there.
So many. So let's run through 1 real
quick. What this looks like with the
dog at the front door and Nelson, you just went through
some of this, but I think just hitting it with different words
could be helpful. So dog walks by, your dog freaks
out, runs over the door, jumping, barking, carrying on.
You say no sternly. You go over, you grab the short

(37:29):
leash or whatever. You give him a sharp tug and
tell him no, he doesn't chill out.
You heal until he's perfect so you can make that perfect
outside turn and he's great. Then you let the leash go and
you act like it never happened. Let's say he runs back over, he
does it again. He's back to barking again.
I would tell him no, go over. Correct.
And let's say you still need to heal.
If last time was 5 minutes, thistime is going to be like 30

(37:51):
seconds. It's going to be so fast.
It's going to be shorter no matter what.
And then you let him go. And then what you're going to
see is the next time, most likely, you're going to say no,
go over, give that correction and he's going to stop from the
physical correction. You're going to say, hey, get
and kind of shoo him away from there.
And then if he even does it again in that moment, probably
just the verbal no is going to be enough at that point.
And you don't need Step 2 or Step 3.

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And then I like to tell a client, we just spent 5 minutes
on this and now he's great. He's no longer doing it, but
he's going to do it again. That's a given.
There's 100% chance he's going to do this again next time.
All things being equal. And that's a really important
phrase, all things being equal is going to be better and faster
and easier, all things being equal.

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Because if it's six dogs out there that are barking, that's
going to take more time, probably because that's way
harder. Or if I'm not here and you've
never done it before, it might take you twice as long.
That's OK. Now all things are not equal.
You don't have a coach telling you what to do.
But all things being equal, it'dbe faster.
So each day just compare yourself to the day before.
How was the situation the day before and it was exactly the

(38:56):
same. Well, hopefully it's easier now.
And through time you're going toeliminate steps and it's going
to be no problem whatsoever. And you might get to the point
where step one works 90% of the time, but there's that 10% where
something is way harder and you need all three.
That's OK. And then through time, you're
going to fix that one and there there's not going to be an issue
anymore. So I think it's just important

(39:17):
to have realistic expectations and to know that in that what
you could call the same scenario, there's so many
variables that affect it that it's never the same scenario.
Unless. Oh, sorry, I was going to say, I
think that's a a great point andit's a great place to say that

(39:37):
when somebody's first doing this, I feel like they should
start off with easier distractions, right?
You're still building your skills and you're teaching the
dog what the process is, right? So you put those two things
together when you're new, pick some things that are fairly
easy. So in your example, maybe it's a
single person out there not evenwith a dog, right.
And after you've done that a couple of times and you're

(39:59):
feeling pretty good, what I actually always tell people from
there is go to a really hard distraction after you're
feeling. And good about your skills and
if you can tackle that six dog distraction that you just talked
about, a lot of the stuff that'sin between the easy one and the
most difficult one sort of disappear on its own.
What are your thoughts on those comments?

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If you're ready for it, yeah, agreed.
Sorry. I cut you off.
No, I mean, I think that kind ofa segue from here, and we've
talked about this already, is that this process works with
many, many, many different issues.
And the beauty of it is it's easy to explain.

(40:44):
So we just spent all this time on the front door or the front
window. So now we talked, we're I just
did all that with a client, right?
We've worked in all of that. And they say, OK, he's also
crazy. When you know, my kids get home
from school, then they say, OK, they come in that door over
there, you can use the same three-step process if you like.
And then we walk through it, butit's now it's exactly the same.

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There's no difference. And now it's just they're
jumping on the kid versus jumping on the front window.
It's exactly the same. So then they say, OK, a key also
does this. And we talk through each thing
and we get to the point where they're like, well, he also does
this. I'm assuming I used a three-step
process, right? And I would just do XY and Z.
Yes, that's exactly what you would do.
And that's the beauty of this isthat it works for so many

(41:29):
different scenarios. And if we get back to like the
socks issue, I've had people andI love when they have that aha
moment and they're like, okay, so with the socks, I sit down,
they're biting my foot and grabbing the sock.
I probably shouldn't push them away anymore, right?
And like, yeah, no, don't do that.
And I probably shouldn't like just pick my foot up or get like

(41:49):
in the middle of the bed so theycan't reach my feet and put the
socks on. I guess.
No, don't do that. And they're like, I sounds like
I should be able tell them no. And if they come to grab my
sock, I should grab or maybe even leave a leash on them, give
a correction. And if I can't make them chill
out, heal them till they're calm.
Yes, that is exactly what you should do.
And when you hit that aha momentwith a client, you know they're

(42:09):
going to make a lot of progress because now those all those
random wild things the dog does to the day, they are now
equipped to handle those withoutpre planning.
They don't have to think, well, what do I do with the socks?
What do I do here? Like there's so many examples.
All of a sudden they're like, I can apply this to almost
anything and that's what's so awesome about it.

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And my caveats are if it's aggression, we need to talk
through it for sure. If it's really fear based, we
need to talk through it. If the dog is like hiding or
something weird like that, probably need to talk through
it. That doesn't seem like it would
make sense here. It's generally when the dog is
too excitable and is actively causing mischief and you want to
calm them down. So I, I think you just touched

(42:53):
on something that I had in my, my framework of can this be used
for a fearful dog? Nelson, you want to take that
one? Sure, I think it can.
But again, you customize it to the dog, you know, very, very

(43:13):
often I'll say no. But if the dog is really really
scared, it's probably at a much lower tone of voice as I slowly
approach it. I guess this is probably 1 where
I may or may not correct depending on if you know how
scared the dog is and what what the dog is actually scared of.

(43:34):
If it's scared of a, let's say like a jewel bag got stuck in
the branches and the wind is going and your dog is scared of
that thing. People that don't live in
Illinois or Indiana, what's a jewel bag?
What is that? What's a bag?
What do you keep your rubies in?What do you guys call it?

(43:54):
A plastic bag. Like a Publix bag.
Sure. Like a Publix bag?
Sure. OK, go ahead with your little
bag of jewels. I do forget that that's a
Midwest thing. That's all of Midwest though,
right? Like, that's not just an
Illinois thing. I don't know.
Is it a Dominic? Is it like a Dominic's bag
Dominic. 'S is it long gone?

(44:15):
I was going to say, is that a rock?
That's. Been out of business for like 20
years or more. Do you guys remember Omni?
No, no, you too young for that. What is Omni?
You can't just. Say it, it's an old store.
Wait, it's been a long time. Obviously they went out of
business, but if I'm not mistaken, I think there was

(44:37):
groceries. It was kind of like an all in
one type of deal close to what Jewel and Dominick's is now,
which is why Jewel won out. But yeah, I don't know.
There is, if we're talking old stores.
What is the precursor to Target?What was the closest thing to
Target before Target was a thing?

(44:57):
Kmart. Kmart is see, but again I would
think Omni was in the same boat as Kmart.
For sure, I don't remember Omni.What I was thinking of was
Venture. I used to love venture cuz I'd
get an icy at venture. You guys don't remember a
venture, I think. It was Valen I grew up in had a

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Our store was Value City. Like value city?
Yeah, like Value City. Furniture.
Did you? Rent.
This wasn't a Value City Furniture.
This was Value City. It's kind of like TJ Maxx maybe
like all the stuff there was like stuff that was sold in
other stores that didn't sell, so you never knew what you were
going to get. That's exactly what I imagine.

(45:42):
It's like a Ross or TJ Maxx now.OK, so there was this.
You were talking, Nelson, about this bag blowing in the wind,
and maybe it was stuck in a fence, it sounded like.
Or a tree, whatever it is blowing in the wind, the dog is
scared of it. You know, that might be a
situation where I do give a tug and see if I can, you know,

(46:03):
break the eye contact and get the dog to kind of follow me and
go. If I can't, I'll go straight to
a heel. But let's say the dog is fearful
of humans and we're trying to get them in close proximity.
Someone comes over, we're working on the door or
something. Maybe this isn't a time that I
actually do give a tug and simply go to the dog is barking

(46:26):
at the person and I immediately pick up the leash, say no, pick
up the leash and actually just start healing to calm it down.
And, you know, try and make the the situation as agreeable as
possible for the fearful dog so that there is some modification
there, one where I might not actually tuck, but it, it can

(46:50):
work for fearful dogs. I've used it a ton on fearful
dogs. You just change how fast you do
things and again, kind of identify what the what the fear
is and see what's appropriate for that situation.
To me, I think the calming portion of it becomes the most
important part for a fearful dogwhere you spend just a lot of

(47:13):
time on that step, hubby. Well, I would say it kind of
depends on is the dog fearful right now?
Because a lot of clients, you know, like people look and like
they see their dog way too 1 dimensionally in my opinion,
they're like, I have a fearful dog, OK, But many of the things

(47:35):
that dog does are not motivated by fear and then many are.
So that dog, if he's barking outthe window and he's excitable or
he's jumping on the kids when they come in, well, he's not a
fearful dog right then. Now you're I'm going to modify
like you said, Nelson, for sure like that.
A dog who has a, a weak temperament or an unsound
temperament, if you correct, it's going to be way softer,

(47:57):
it's going to be different, but the process still applies.
If the dog is acting out of fearright now, then it's different.
And I mean, an obvious example would be if the dog, you know,
something happens outside, the dog barks and then, you know,
runs away and hides, well, you're not going to tell him no,
go find him and correct them. What you're hoping no one would

(48:18):
do that. So like there it's not, we're
not using the process because he's not excited.
He doesn't need calm down. It's like there's no correction
needed there. We're working on, you know,
counter conditioning or something to get him out of
stickers when something happens outside.
So to me, it's it when I talk toa client, like we need to break
down what's his motivation in this moment is our determination

(48:41):
of do we use the process? And then to Nelson's point,
yeah, I mean, for sure we're going to modify based upon the
dog. I think that's a really good
point and one that's kind of like one of those things that
you know it and do it so often so you don't think about it
anymore. But yeah, are they fearful in
the moment is a really good point.

(49:04):
I I don't think of fearful dogs as 100% of their day is them
being scared and fearful and then instead breaking it down
situation by situation. So that that was a really good
point to bring up. Is this a good place to ask the
question? How many dogs do you think are
actually fearful like that you would like?

(49:25):
What percentage do you think aretruly a fearful dog?
I'll go 15%. Well.
That's. High if you ask me.
And what I would say is fearful,meaning that the majority of
their life is spent in fear, as opposed to just like, I'm just

(49:46):
scared of this one thing. You feel like 15% of dogs live
the majority of their day or life in fear.
Yeah, I'm going 15. Given the time to adjust your
number, do you want to or no? You still like?
It no, I'm sticking with 15. Holy crap.
I think the definition is is tooextreme for one like.

(50:10):
Think of what we were talking about last time, right, where we
were talking about dogs that arefarmed for meat and unsavory
places and wait. And a lot of we didn't say in in
America, we said dogs. OK, so.
See you do want to change your. Given that given the time to
adjust your question, would you like to adjust your question?

(50:34):
OK. Let's adjust the question Dogs
in the United States owned by people.
Owned by people? Oh yeah.
Like living in a house, like typical typical dogs in a house.
Now that I know what you're thinking, yeah, sure.
OK. Like freaking 2%, maybe 1% and
there's a lot of dogs in America, but still like

(50:55):
realistically to have a fearful dog is still a pretty rare thing
in my mind. I was I would be at 5% covey.
I just like Nelson's strategy ofgiving a ridiculous answer.
And I mean like, oh, your question was not.
A ridiculous answer to the question that was asked.

(51:17):
Of me it sorta is, though. It kinda is.
Not at all. Yeah, I'd say 2% somewhere in
that area, it's low. Low for sure.
It's low, low, low. And I, I spend time when I'm
talking to clients with, sometimes you get a client with
a fearful dog who they don't, they're too hard on the dog

(51:39):
constantly and they don't give the dog any, you know, I guess
give it any grace, for lack of abetter word.
But that's uncommon. The majority of the clients I
get have given into all the fearand they just encourage it.
They don't think they're encouraging it, but they are
encouraging it. And then we talk through the
time you have to separate fear from non fear.

(52:00):
And when the dog is terrified, yeah, all you're doing is trying
to bring them out of their shelland build confidence.
But half these things you've described that you don't like,
that he does, are not motivated by fear.
So if you're trying to use the same tools, then in the same
techniques, you're just going toencourage them to jump on people
more. You know, if you're using treats

(52:21):
and praise and building up, you know, their confidence when
they're jumping on someone that walks in, they're going to get
really good at jumping on people.
Absolutely. Crucial to know that they're
going to have many, many different sides to them, just
like Nelson does. He has the side that gives
reasonable answers, then he's got the side that just says

(52:43):
insane things. How many people?
How many people you? Think own their own spaceship or
I don't know, 60%. No, I was talking about in the
future. You didn't say what year we were
in. I was saying in the year 3000 I
would have used. Cardboard spaceships OK not I
didn't do any time traveling. That a good Nelson impression

(53:06):
because I feel like I nailed it.It was.
It's reminded me of the questionwe used to ask on interviews
about how many windows there arein New York City.
Do you remember that one, Kobe? I do, yeah.
It's a brutal question, Nelson The The goal of the question is
to get the person thinking. It's not about what the ACT 3. 7

(53:27):
million How many windows are there in New York City?
3.7 million. How do you how do you get there?
I get there by thinking about New York proper, right, like
Manhattan and, and all those, I mean, like skyscrapers are what,
like 50 stories tall? Does that sound reasonable?

(53:48):
And you, you have to think there's probably what, like at
least 10 to 15 per side of building.
I mean that that Aqua houses, apartment buildings, businesses,
their front windows and stuff like that.
I mean I'm going 3.7 million seems like.

(54:10):
So you're you're going to be wayshort and you're missing a a
whole category of windows. Is it subways?
It's because. Automobiles.
Automobiles. That's good.
Each one. Of them has like 10 windows.
I would have guessed this. Is a little small one right and.

(54:30):
You want to talk about me givingridiculous answers, but that.
But it's like, well, that one has a decal on it.
OK, we don't count that one. But that's why I was saying,
that's why I was thinking about it.
The point of the question is to get somebody thinking about all
the different stuff. It's not.
Just And are we including all the boroughs?
It seems like we are. Yeah.
I heard Manhattan and the Bronx and we're counting all of them.

(54:54):
All of them. You know what, while we're at it
too, we should just throw in NewJersey with New York.
So. Yeah, they got windows there
too. They got windows, they're close
enough to the boroughs. All right, hang on a call.
No, hang on, I just asked ChatGPT how many windows there
are in New York City. ChatGPT did not exist last time

(55:16):
we asked this question. I know, that's why I'm super
excited. I mean, we never had this
option, so it's doing right now it's running through Windows per
building and for that it gets 50million windows for buildings,

(55:37):
so just in buildings. I was way off.
It did not come up with cars. It talks about subways and buses
as other structures, but it doesn't really get into it.
But it then says that its total estimate for Windows in New York
City is 72 million. I was ridiculously off.

(56:02):
I am asking it as well mine. I just said how many windows are
there in New York City? Is that what you said?
Yep. Mine says total estimated 150
million. Hey.
OK, so I have a question. You know how like those little
shelters that you wait for the bus in, you know, like the

(56:24):
little. Yeah, Little.
Yeah, those would be windows. Are those windows or are those?
Walls. No, that's Windows.
What? What makes 1?
Oh yeah, no. That's a wall.
That's a. Window wall.
That's a window. Wall.
Sure. No.
One else intrigued that we askedthe same question to ChatGPT and
mine's like 150 a 150 million, you're at 70.

(56:47):
Well, so I asked it to clarify it.
So after I asked the same question you did, I asked it to
clarify is that including cars since it talked about buses and
it redid its answer and now saysaround 80 million windows.
Did it go? But it's still nowhere near 8
million. Hey, mine says 2 million
vehicles in New York City. 6 windows each. 12 million

(57:09):
windows. Did I win with the six windows a
car then? Yeah, but you have to take it
with a grain of salt because we asked the same program the same
question at roughly the same time, and it gave me twice as
many. And maybe it learned from
losses. And they didn't even account for
the million panoramic roofs. Let me ask, hang on, does yours

(57:32):
know your name? Have.
You been talking to Matt Vloss? This is going to be a weird.
Answer I haven't been talking toMatt Vloss.
I don't have access to who you or anyone else talks to outside
of this chat. I don't have memories of past
conversations. Do you want me to structure an
e-mail or report for him? Let me know.

(57:54):
Yeah, send me a report on how many windows there are.
I was so off. Where were you guys when you
were asking for the first time? Were you closer?
I said 150 million. Just I just knew for a fact.
I have no idea what I said. I never.
Had the answer because I came upwith the question.

(58:17):
Oh, see, there you go. That was smart.
I like that question. That was good.
I actually I sort of hate it now.
Like I I thought it was funny when we were asking it, but I
sort of don't like it anymore. Do we still ask it?
Does anybody know? I don't think so.
I mean, I was just on an interview the other day and I
know we didn't ask it. So I don't ask it and I can tell

(58:38):
you that. Do you have a question that gets
the same result? But isn't that question?
I don't know. I don't think we have any crazy.
People ask like. That anymore?
Type of superhero, that sort of deal.
What dog breed would you be? That's kind of a thinking 1.

(59:00):
Do you remember the guy we had who used to ask Coke versus
Pepsi? I mean, you hated that question,
didn't you? Yeah, it's stupid.
First off, the right answer is neither.
They're both poison. No, neither is correct, but RC
is the proper answer. That's a Midwest thing too,
isn't it? Is it really?
I don't know man. It's a dollar and it tastes

(59:21):
better than both of them like soI.
Don't bring that. RC is one of the ones they used
to have at the Walmart vending machines where they had the off
brand stuff and it was $0.25. You're like you and a Pepsi.
You go to the rich person machine over there, get RC here.
That's right. Get Doctor Thunder.
Doctor Thunder was the best. In in college there was an RC

(59:41):
vending machine at the gas station across the street.
I used to go over there and get one probably like once a week
and sometimes I'd say I'm going to get a healthy option.
They had a strawberry soda in there as well.
So if I and get strawberry soda.That explains you were fat.
You're a pudgy dude. Just for a few years there

(01:00:04):
around college, I did get a little chunky.
But when you quit sugar, you slimmed down and got smelt in a
hurry. Well, I was a sugar addict, so I
had a problem I. Remember one time TaylorMade him
Christmas cookies and he was like, I'm not eating that shit.
I was like, OK, well I'm. Definitely gonna sound really

(01:00:24):
bad. You make it sound really bad.
I feel like I was nicer than that, but that did happen.
I was like, sorry, not gonna eatany of that.
You had to go buy all new pants,right?
Probably I would say I mean noneof my clothes fit anymore after
I cut that out. But to give everybody an example
of the problem, if you put a 5 LB bag like gummy bears in front

(01:00:48):
of me is a great example, I would sit down and eat that
entire bag. Like I would not stop.
I would just keep eating it. So you looks like once said no
and then corrected. Right.
And you'd have to hit along. You're going to use that?
See. Nobody used the three-step
process on me. I wish you guys had been around.
Well, Covey was around, so he. Covey was around.
He liked interview. He liked the behavior.

(01:01:10):
Like Tim Allen and Santa Claus, you were what, 370?
No, no, you're, you're describing I I don't want to say
the person's name. You're.
Describing something like she was like 370.
It was every day that you came in, it was just like that movie
Santa Claus where it was like you do a double take, like is

(01:01:32):
that Vloss? What is happening here?
It was never that extreme, but II didn't have a beard and I had
hair. So back then, like if you saw me
then and now, you probably wouldn't even recognize me.
I don't know if I'd want to recognize you.
It'd be weird to see you with hair and no beard.
I think you would have met me when I didn't have a beard.

(01:01:53):
Didn't. You, I'll tell you what, when
with no beard hair and when he was Santa Claus size you would
look. At her Santa Claus.
You're like that guy looks like a good hugger.
He looks like he would hug really nicely.
I don't think anybody's ever said that about me.
I'm told that I have a good hug.Is it because I'm fat?
Like, people just like to be encompassed by fat people.

(01:02:16):
It's a nice way if that's what people say, and now you look of
loss, you're like, he doesn't look like he'd be a good hugger.
That guy looks uncomfortable. I'm going to.
I'm going to maintain. Nobody has ever looked at me and
been like that dude's a hugger. Back when you're in that, but
now you've got like a six pack, people are afraid of your abs.
Like I get sliced on those things.

(01:02:38):
I've never been able to get a six pack That's that sounds
hard. Well, why don't we?
For next week's episode, let's get some shirtless pictures of
you from back in the day and then some now and like a before
and after and we can all see it OK, but it needs to be like the
real before and after or the onebefore.
You have to be like sticking your belly out.

(01:02:59):
You you can't be tan. You have to be white and pasty
in that one. And then in the new one, you're
like flexing the lighting is going to be way better.
You're obviously you get got to get a spray tan and just.
Baby oil all over them. And then when we and then while
we do that, they'll be like a little ADD down at the bottom 5
minute ABS right like. Do you guys ever see those?

(01:03:19):
I love watching those before andafters, because whenever they're
doing the befores, they also have everybody look angry, like
never smiling or anything. Yeah.
And then The Afters always like a big bright smile.
And their teeth are like super white.
And yeah, that's key. Well, I have a genius idea.
Let's do 4 minute ABS. No, no.

(01:03:44):
Come into my office. What?
It's from a movie. It's from a movie and then the
next line is actually, but what are you going to do when
somebody comes out with three minute ABS and then he's like 3
minute? ABS you can't get a good.
Workout in 3 minutes 7/7. Minute ABS What's your spot?

(01:04:05):
Something about Mary? No.
Is it? I don't know.
I like. I know the lines, but I don't
know what it's from actually. Oh my goodness, what is this?
It's gotta be something about Mary.
Well, we've really lost the three-step process here.
It's I brought him back with thegummy worms.
Or with the. That's it did It did.

(01:04:27):
That'll be the real that we needto make from this episode.
There you go, keeping gummy worms away from gloss.
Tune into this week's podcast tofind out how Floss became
addicted to gummy bears. Hey, you'll all be happy to know
I've kicked the habit. It's not a problem anymore.
I could have sugar and I don't. I don't overdo it.

(01:04:47):
That is impressive. Is impressive.
The whole different man. All right, well, thank you for
listening everybody. Let us know what you think in
the comments below, and hopefully the three-step process
changes your life. Thanks.
See you guys. Sit, stay, press, play and let's

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