The Importance of HEEL!

Heel is a foundational command and when done right teaches your dog much more than to simply stop pulling. This is a command that can truly change your dog. It teaches them to focus, establishes the fact that they need to listen to you when you ask something and is a great calming technique that you can use anytime.

Episode Transcript

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welcome. How are you guys?
I'm good. I'm going to speak for the
audience. They are good as well.
They're having a, they're all having a great day.
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For sure, and if anyone's not having a great day, tell us in
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I will write emails and emails and emails making sure you have
a good day, I promise. That would be great.
I think they'd appreciate that. Anyone who's watching the video
right now has probably noticed that Vloss is not here.
He abandoned us. So it's just Nelson and I, and
we're going to try to muddle ourway through this episode.
I knew he was going to break my heart one day.

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It did happened, See. And here's the problem.
I didn't know he wasn't going tobe on until like 5 minutes ago.
And the issue is I wanted to open with a thought and not give
the answer to the thought and then have us talk for a long
time and then put a pin in it towards the end and kind of sum
everything up with that. And Vloss was going to be the
one to help remember that. Remind us to do that so we don't

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just sign off and realize we never put a pin in it.
So we're going to have to bring our A game, Nelson.
You know what's hilarious too, is that's exactly the kind of
planning that Vloss would appreciate and would have done.
You know, for, for him to miss it, to see, you know, like you
actually having a plan and not sticking to it, he would have
been proud. See, and now maybe we need to

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mess up on purpose that he feelsneeded and he feels validated.
So maybe we should like did it fell apart without you?
We had a plan and you weren't here to execute on your part.
It was terrible. We really, really need you.
I wish you were there. Everyone likes to feel
appreciated. All right, well, today we're
talking about the HEAL command. Yep, we have.

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We realized we've beat around the Bush on this many times, but
we haven't really done an episode where we get into why we
folk, why we like heel so much, why we find it so important for
the average client. So we'll talk through a lot
today. I think we're also we're going
to talk through for all the trainers listening.
We'll be talking through how we explain heel to a client, which

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I think is useful just to hear all someone else explain
something. We'll talk through for all the
customers, our dog, just dog owners listening.
You know, of course, why heel isimportant.
But I want to start with something I've seen online quite
a bit lately and just talk touchbase on it a little bit.
And then we'll go through all ofour stuff and then we'll
hopefully circle back and put a pin in it.

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So I've heard a lot of videos and people's and you've probably
heard this Nelson people saying things.
It's always sport dog trainers that say this, where they say
heel is overrated or pet dog owners put too much importance
on the heel command. And the first time I heard that
I was, I thought it was really odd.
And these are, and these are trainers that I respect some,

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you know, so I've heard some saythis that are not bad trainers
by any stretch, very great trainers.
I won't say names, even though this is not meant to be a
critique at all. And so I heard it.
I thought it was really weird, like why would this really well
known, really good trainer thinkheel is overrated?
And I realized it's because theylive with their dogs differently

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than the average dog owner and they work with different clients
than the than the average dog owner.
So I think we need to circle back to that later because to
me, heel is not overrated. But if you live a different
lifestyle with your dog, some ofthis stuff won't be as important
as we're making it out to be. Going to talk through the reason
heal is important. And at the end, I think we

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should touch base on what these other trainers have said and
talk about, well, how could you achieve the same stuff without
heal? Because it's doable.
It's just harder. It's more confusing, it's
messier, it's harder to rememberto do these things on a daily
basis. So you can achieve all of this
without heal, but good luck. Unless you're training your dog

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for competition, you're going tohave trouble I think.
And I really do think that a lotof it is the different lifestyle
or how they're living with theirdogs, what they're doing with
their dogs that I don't know. It's like they're going for
different results. So, you know, makes sense that
they're kind of like, I don't, Idon't really use it that much.
So it's really overrated. Yeah.

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And when we get into answers 1-2, like reasons 1-2 and three,
you can think through just quickly as a sport dog, a
professional sport dog handler or trainer, why they would look
at the but all three reasons andsay, well, I don't really need
this because of all the other stuff they're doing.
So let's get into this and then we we won't forget.

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I'm making a commitment. If we forget, we'll just show up
tomorrow. We'll dress in the same shirts,
act like it was the same day, and we'll just edit it in and
make it be the wiser. So it'll be here.
We're going to cover that. We're going to put a pin in it.
I like how we open with if we don't do this, we're just going
to lie to you. We're going to make sure it's in
the video though, yeah. And we're going to lie really.

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Well, We'll be like, hey, Nelson, it's still the same day
that it was a few minutes ago when we were talking on the same
day, right? I feel like we should mess that
up, right? Like, it's still the same day as
yesterday, right? Like, yeah, only a couple of
minutes have passed. All right, so the heal command
we like to give explain to us three reasons why we use the

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heal command so much with clients.
You want to take those or you want me to?
Go ahead. Oh, I thought you were going to
say you. OK, So the way we explain this
to the client that I think we'llgo through them kind of quickly
and then we can dive more in depth.
The 1st is establishing control and that you're in charge and
you could frame this as dominance, which we've covered.

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You know, we've gone through an episode on dominance.
Dominance just means you're in control that you can you can
affect change in a situation. So it's not dominating your
animal. It's not like I'm in front,
you're behind now, therefore you're submissive and therefore
I'm dominant. It's that you're able to control
the dog and they realize this person's my leader and I need to

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listen to them. That's important.
And if you don't want that from your dog, them to see you as the
leader and listen to you, you're, you're going to hate our
show. I can't imagine you'd want to
listen to more than 5 minutes ofthis because we're very much
believers and we want our dogs to know that we're in charge.
Doesn't mean we don't love them.Doesn't mean we're not best
buddies. But just like children, they

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need to know the parents are in charge.
The dog needs to know the the owner is in charge.
Heal is a great way to do that. The next reason is it gives them
a job and it's something to focus on.
Healing is so much harder than just walking.
And there's so many ways that I'll explain this to a client.
But if your dog is just walking,doing it, whatever they want,

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that takes very little brain power.
But when they're holding position, they're thinking about
you. They're like, oh, I got a hat, I
need to slow down or my owner said this, I need to catch up.
It gives them something to to think about and think about Like
your first day on a new job, youcould literally sit at a desk
all day, do next to nothing physically and be exhausted
because you're brain is on. You're thinking that you know,

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heal is very useful for dogs, giving them a job to do.
And the third one is it's something to fall back on.
And this is really powerful. Once your dog learns heal and
they learn it's a combing thing and they learn, they learn how
to do it well and you're not like having to fight them and
like hold them in position. Well, now when you tell them
heal, they pay attention to you,they relax, they know that it's

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a job, they know that you're theleader.
It puts them in a calmer state. Now you can use this a million
different times. Want to be the front door rings?
We talked last week about the three-step process.
Well, if your dog is wild at thefront door and you think I can't
do step one or Step 2 like he's just insane, well then you could
start with the heal command. And if your dog doesn't know
heal, that's going to be really hard.

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And heal is a great calming technique when they know it.
Another example would be like you have a kids birthday party
and you have 30 young children in the house.
You could put a leash on it, tell the dog he'll heal until
they chill out and then drop theleash and let them go.
As opposed to like locking them in a down stay.
Maybe they'll chill out, maybe they'll just sit in a down
stand, whine. Maybe they won't even hold it.

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Maybe you have to run around chasing them, you put them in a
crate, maybe that works, maybe it doesn't, but to me it kind of
hides the issue. The beauty of heel is it's
something to fall back on and it's not a crutch.
It calms them down in that environment, so you need less of
it through time. So rather than hiding from the
issue, you're actually fixing it.
So those are the three reasons why we're big on heel.
We explain those very differently based upon the

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client. We'll expand a lot more based
upon on one of those, based upona particular dog, Nelson.
Thoughts. What did I miss?
What would you like to add? Where do you want to go from
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and we hope you will as well. No, I don't think you missed
anything. It's funny, every time that you
say, you know, like one of the reasons as to why we fall back
on heel, I immediately start thinking of different dogs where

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that you know, like, oh, like I remember this dog and this is
exactly why we had to work on heal and you know, stuff like
that. It just always kind of pops up
because of not just how often weuse it, but how often we need
it. You know, how often it is that
we go to clients houses and they're like, you know, there
were pressing by some neighbors that sit outside and it's their

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favorite people in the world. The dog can never say hi to
these people calmly. And then we do it.
And very often I'll hear clientssay, oh, well, you know, he just
acts differently around you. And I agree to some to some
degree, right? Like, yeah, the dog is
definitely responding to me, butit's because of what I do, not
just my presence. You know, I'm not I'm not that

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cool yet where I could just showup and the dogs, yet I'm.
Holding my mindset, you will be one way.
And a lot of it is because I take that leash and I start to
heal. I calm them down in the
environment and then allow them to kind of exist in the
environment. So it'll be very, very
interesting to break down each one of these and hopefully help

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people kind of understand where we're coming from.
Yeah, yeah. And I always explain to a client
heal is very, very powerful. It's a powerful tool because it
affects long term changes in thedog.
And then I'll follow that up with sit is not, not to say
sit's bad. I like, I teach like pretty much
every dog how to sit. But I wouldn't say sit is

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extremely powerful. It's helpful and it's a good
thing for them to know. But heal is really powerful
because it does change the dog overall in a much better way.
So that's, that's it's, I don't want to say crucial because
we'll talk at the end about how it's not crucial in ways you
could get a perfect dog without doing this, but it's almost

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crucial for the average dog owner because of the way they
live with their dog. I mean, it's fundamental.
For us at. Least and not only us, but just
our lifestyle, the lifestyle that we're trying to achieve
with clients. So let's, I guess we'll throw a
few things out there. One, if a dog is reactive
unleash, I think heal is essential.

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There's just no way around it, right?
It's crucial. So that is a time, no matter how
you live with the dog like you, you need to get them healing on
leash. Very few owners with reactive
dogs push back on this at all. They're like, if that's why I
called you, I want them to heal,that'd be cool.
That'd be great. So usually that's not a problem
at all. There's times where owners say

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they don't care about it. And I think that's where he
might want to spend a little time now.
And a common one would be peoplethat don't really want to walk
their dog. So their dog is, you know, bad
on leash. And when I say bad, I don't mean
aggressive, but just obnoxious, no fun to walk.
Like I don't care about that. I care.
He barks constantly. I tell him to come in the yard,
he runs away from me, he jumps, he steals socks and he won't let

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him go. And like this, this whole
laundry list of stuff, that is atime where I'm going to convince
that client they need, even if they say I don't care about
walking the dog, you need to walk him and you need to
practice the heel command. And it's going to be a very
hard, it's going to be a hard sell.
We're going to, I'm going to talk to them until they get it,
until they understand it completely and they want to work

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on heel because they see how powerful it's going to be for
their dog. So let's maybe spend a minute on
that dog. Nine month old lab owner has a
big yard. They don't care about walking
it, but the dog is just obnoxious constantly in the
house. How do you sell them on heel?
What are you telling them to make them want to walk the dog

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even though they've already toldyou they don't want to walk
them? So one of the big things that I
love to throw out there is to get rid of almost immediately
their fall back plan or the the biggest reason that I constantly
hear people say that is, well, Ihave a big yard.
He can run around, he can get his exercise, he can do all of
that stuff. And I tell clients all the time

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that that's one of the biggest traps that most people fall into
if they have a big yard is expecting that their dogs are
actually doing anything back there.
You know, we're more often they're just trotting around,
sniffing, going to the bathroom and then waiting at the door for
somebody to come and play with them or interact with them,
whatever the case might be. And so, you know, one of the

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first questions is, well, how often do you ever see your dogs
just pacing around out there and, and actually running and
actually, you know, entertainingthemselves, I guess.
And the answer is almost never, you know, like, oh, well, you
know, one, I just, I'm not watching them, But then two, you
know, they're usually by the door.
When I see them by the door, I just let them in.
It's kind of immediate. So they're not getting the

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exercise. The client thinks they.
Are that the client thinks they are exactly Yeah, that, you
know, you put them outside, the dog probably maybe did one lap
just to see if there's any squirrels around, goes to the
bathroom and then he's like, well, this was this was fun
while it lasted, but I'm ready to go inside because that's
where all the action is. And it's almost a waste of the
yard, right as at least as far as the client see.

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So the exercise that they think is actually happening there
isn't actually happening there. And on top of that, they're not
getting the exposure that they need to fix some of the problems
that they have. One big thing is always going to
be walking your dog is the leastconfrontational way to get your

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dog to understand you are the authority.
You know, we're not looking to slam dogs or, or, you know, like
do the alpha rolls at every single turn or anything like
that. You know, things that seem
dominating even to humans, that kind of stuff, you know, But we
do need them to understand that.Yeah.
I'm, I'm the one that's telling you what to do.

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I'm the one that you have to listen to everything like that.
So really where it comes down toalmost all, all of the issues
that they're having is I got really, really excited and I'm
not listening to you to stop it.And Heel is going to fix both of
those if he learns how to the young lab, if the young lab

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learns how to be able to pass the squirrels, the Super
exciting squirrels and be able to maintain that heel, you know,
the barking out of the windows, meeting people at the door, all
the goofy annoying stuff not coming what you know.
And in the yard when they're outthere trying to play, all of
that stuff becomes easy because they've already practiced.

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They've practiced quite a bit just just simply by going on
those walks. But then also a lot of the times
by going on the walks you're you're fixing the probably the
biggest reason as to why you didn't want to go for the walks
in the 1st place, which is the dog was cooling and obnoxious on
the leash. So, yeah, I really like what you

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said about it's the least confrontational way to establish
control and establish yourself as the boss.
And the way, you know, I one thing I say to people and it's
similar to that is all I talk tothem about, OK, you want to fix
all these issues with, you know,your young lab.
Well, do you think it's better to be proactive and catch these

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things before they happen and get to the point where your dog
doesn't want to do them or be reactive and have to jump in in
the moment and discipline or stop or somehow diffuse the
situation? And no one's ever said I think
reactive sounds better. They're always like, well, yeah,
proactive. Obviously heel is the ultimate
proactive training tool for those scenarios.
So, you know, I'll explain to them that if you want your dog

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to respect you a little more, care what you have to say, be a
little bit calmer, all of that'sgoing to be achieved through the
heel command. As opposed to what do you want
to do? He's running around the yard in
the house right now stealing socks.
You want to chase them and like,we're going to grab them and
take the sock away. Like we could do that.
But does that, is that really like that sounds better to you
than the heel command? And of course, now that doesn't

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sound better to any reasonable person.
So once people start to realize that there's not this other
really good option of like, Oh, yeah, you could just like, you
know, clap your hands and say noand the dog will stop.
But you don't ever have to walk out like that.
That's just not reason, you know, it's not realistic.
And very rarely do I have someone push back.
But if I feel if I see they're hesitant or they want to push

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back, I'll follow up with. And I've never said what you
said about this is the least confrontational way, but I'll
explain that. For us to stop this dog from
getting those socks without any other training, do you know how
hard we'd have to be on him? He really likes doing that.
So we can't just say no. Obviously you've done that.
So for us to like, just try to discipline this away.

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Do you realize how tough you'll have to be on the dog on a daily
basis? Because you're going to have to
be tough enough that they remember that the next time and
they're like, oh, crap, I don't want to pick up a sock because
my owner is going to be really mad.
And do you want to have to be that tough?
And the answer is like, I don't think, I don't think ever
anyone's ever answered. Like, yeah, of course I want
that. Like, who would want that,
right? If you could do this in an

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easier fashion? So it's a very, very powerful
tool. And like you said, it's the
least confrontational way. It's very proactive versus
reactive. And then I'll tell them it's not
going to fix these issues in thehouse, but it's going to make
them 90% easier to fix, you know, way, way, way, way.
Easier, way easier. And it is funny, you know,

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because it's just something thatmost people haven't thought of.
It's not that people are unreasonable.
It's just, you know, it doesn't necessarily connect for them,
which, you know, I could completely understand.
But when you put it that way of,hey, we could either teach them
to walk really nice on a leash and you could be able to do all
these things, or you're going tohave to be super overbearing,

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right? And be this big tough guy that
you'd probably don't want to be.One is very It's just so much
easier than the other. Absolutely.
And I'll also explain, especially if people have kids,
I'll say picture if if we don't,if we don't do heal and we just
try to fix this in the house andyou walk the dog and they're
able to pull the whole time, do whatever they want.

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Picture your 4 year old. If you take a four year old to
the mall and you let them run amok, you hold their hand,
they're screaming, they're pulling the entire time and you
just let it happen whenever they're excited.
They do whatever they want. They're freaking out and you do.
You can't and don't do anything to fix it.
Do you think that 4 year old's going to be super chill in the
house and just like this really good 4 year old?

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Like, no, of course not, right? As soon as anything happens in
the house that's exciting, they're going to be the same way
they are at the store. They're going to do whatever
they want. And then if you try to stop it,
there's going to be tears and fights and what?
Thrashing, throwing themselves on the ground, kicking,
whatever. If you don't fix it at the mall,
it's not going to be fixed at home and you're going to see the
same issue at some point in time.

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And people with kids get that analogy pretty quickly that the
way they affect the way they actin one scenario effects another
because they're not a robot, they're a living creature.
It has to it just there's. There's no way it doesn't.
Yeah, absolutely. All right, so where do we go
from? Here I guess let's deep dive

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into each reason and then after that we can bring in examples.
OK, it gives them, it establishes you as the leader
#1. And that one is pretty much what
we were talking about the least confrontational way.
But again, leaders, it's almost like being the leader or being

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the authority is a loaded kind of phrase.
But you know, it doesn't have tohave a negative connotation.
Again, there's nothing saying that you can't have fun with
your dog and tell them what to do one at the exact same time.
We use obedience commands while we're playing with the dogs all
the time. But also, you know it, it
doesn't have to be purely one orthe other.

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It's extremely easy to kind of mesh the 2 worlds.
And you know, realistically that's a lot of our job, right,
is trying to mesh the 2 worlds. So when it establishes you as
the leader, you know, the leaderbeing the one that makes the
decisions. So I decide where we're going,
which direction we're going, what squirrels we get to chase

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after, who we get to say hi to as far as neighbors and stuff
like that. And all of those things are, you
know, things that dogs may or may not want to do and may or
may not be able to do in the moment.
So yeah, hey, I know this neighbor.
Of course we can go say hi. We like that person.
This jogger very clearly doesn'twant to say hi.

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He's jogging. And so, no, we can't say hi to
that person. Don't chase after that cat.
You know, these are all decisions that young, especially
young dogs like a young lab would love to do every single
one of those. But what happens is it's very
easy for them to get over stimulated, kind of like a kid
with ice cream. And so you have to be the adult.

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You have to be the authority there, you know, for their own
good to tell them, hey, it's a bad idea, don't do it.
Come hang out with me. Let's finish this walk.
And again, with the least amountof confrontation, I don't think
I've ever seen anyone really getinto a fight with their dog
trying to walk away from a squirrel or, or anything like
that. So I guess leash reactivity, you

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could, you could say there's an argument to be made.
They're not necessarily fightingyou.
They're frustrated about not being able to get to the dog,
but that is an argument that youcan make.
There's so many things I want tosay here, but I'll keep it
brief. First off, I I've never had a

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client say, hey, my dog is just respects me too much like a new
client. He's just like, he really
respects me and sees me as the leader.
It's actually a little bit too much.
I don't want him to see me as such a leader that that
literally never happens right now.
Maybe we get a right, maybe we get a really fearful dog that
they just rescued that's terrified of them and that's it.

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We're still going to teach that dog heel different reasons, but
you know, pretty much every dog,the issues stem from the dog's
doing what it wants to do and it's not doing it.
Like I'm not saying that it's doing it because it's like, I am
the alpha dog and I'll do what Iwant.
It's just doing what it wants because it feels good, right?
It feels good to bark or it feels good to pool or whatever.

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And they don't care what the owner says in that moment.
So clients never if you ask like, do you think your dog sees
you too much as the leader rightnow?
Like obviously, no, they don't. So this is important for that
reason. And I do believe that the human
being in front and the dog beinga few inches behind is powerful.
And I do believe that effects change.

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And the dog with them seeing theowner ahead of them.
Now, you could look at that and say, well, I don't buy into
that. And if you don't, I'm not going
to try to convince you. But from a just kind of obvious
standpoint, we all know the dog wants to be ahead.
And I'm not saying they want to be ahead because they want to
dominate you. And like, once again, they're
alpha or whatever, they want to be ahead because they're
excited, right? It's cool.
They just want to go fast. If they want to be ahead and you

(25:38):
convince them not to go ahead, well, you've established
leadership. There's how else could you have
done it right? So if you're walking, I don't
care if you don't buy into, you know, any sort of dominance.
Even if you've heard, if you've heard our dominance episode, I
don't see how you could not buy into any of it.
But let's say you have a client or whatever, someone who just
doesn't and you don't want to spend time talking about it.

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I don't see how anyone could say, well, my dog's excited to
pull. I've now stopped them from
pulling, but that's not establishing me as the leader.
Like it just has to be. Otherwise they wouldn't be
staying behind you. So very, very, very useful,
very, very powerful. And I, I think it's silly not to
teach the vast majority of dogs to hang behind you when needed.

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We haven't talked about this yet, but just so everyone knows,
we don't make dogs heal all the time.
So the idea of training is the better they get, the more
freedom they have. Perfect world for me is you walk
the dog, you get to wherever you're going.
You let them off leash, they run, they play, they go crazy,
they have fun. You call them back, tell them
he'll, you walk them back to your car or your house,

(26:42):
whatever. Then you let them go do what
they want to do. So he'll is not like a life
sentence. It's a point A to point B sort
of thing. And I think that that will play
a huge role later when we get back to some of the sport dog
trainers. Yeah, I think it'll tie in for
sure. So let's move to number 2, the

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job. You want to go first to this
one? You want me to?
Sure. No, I'll go.
The job is something that everybody, everybody gets used
to saying it and everybody knowsit.
And I always make the joke that when you get a puppy, everyone
becomes a dog trainer and everybody wants to throw their
two cents into how you should raise your dog and everything.

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And one of the more common things that they'll say is like,
oh, you got to give them a job to do.
You got to give them a job to do.
But very, very few times does anyone either a tell you what
job or how to do it, or you know, like, how do you pick what
job your dog is going to do? Nor do they ever, I don't know.
I always say they don't actuallycare to ever check in.

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And it's like, how's that? How's that dog's job doing or
anything, you know, if we're notdoing sports and stuff like
that, which could could be a jobfor the dog, you know, hunting
or any of those things. We have to find something that
suits our lifestyle that will also fulfill the dog.
And job of tracking or not tracking but rather trekking,

(28:10):
right? Walking with the pack, if you
will, and going on a shared adventure with the owner and
basic obedience commands in general can absolutely play that
role of a job. It's something that they have to
put their mind into, they have to practice to get good.
And it's one of those things where it eats up a lot of mental

(28:35):
capacity, right? Mental bandwidth, I guess, would
be kind of a good way of puttingit.
And it leaves a lot less for distractions.
One of the reasons why, you know, I had mentioned earlier
with the young lab and neighborsthat he really likes.
Well, one of the reasons I go toheal is because I'm giving that
dog something else to focus on other than the excitement it

(28:56):
feels for that neighbor. Focus on me, Practice our turns,
practice our left turns, our right turns, you know, move at
the same pace as me, which is, you know, hard for some dogs to
be able to kind of match perfectly.
And so that takes a lot of strain.
Typically dogs want to go fasterthan me.
And so it's a lot of impulse control, right, of being able to

(29:20):
kind of match my pace and stick at my side the entire time.
But there is where all the magicis happening.
It is in that impulse control. It is in, hey, I have to forgo
everything else that's happeningand really work with Nelson to
make sure that we're walking in tandem because that is the job.
And that is where you're going to start to see, you know, real

(29:43):
results in the moment. You know, so we're not talking
about, hey, do this for a week and you know, you're going to
see a ton of results, which you will, but you'll see results
while you're walking. You know, you'll really, really
see how much easier it is to meet people if you are actively
walking, calming the dog down, doing the job, and then after

(30:03):
it's proven itself, allowing himto say hi to somebody.
Yeah, I think you, you mentionedimpulse control and I think
that's just such a big thing forpeople to think about.
And no one ever says my dog has too much impulse control, right.
Like that's the issue. That's why your dog steals the
sock and runs. They they looked at you, they
thought about it and they're like, oh, I'm going to do it.

(30:24):
And they grab it and they run. So impulse control is huge.
And you know what? I would something I never say
this quote to clients. So I, it's a, you know, I don't
think it'd be that useful, but something that I think is worth
thinking about is a quote I likea lot from like myself and for
my kids is, and I'm sure you've heard this, Nelson, the old
quote that's watch your thoughts.

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They become your words. Watch your words, they become
your actions. Watch your actions, they become
your habits. Watch your habits.
They become your character and watch your character.
It becomes your destiny and whatit is.
It's just playing through the idea that your thoughts are
going to influence the rest of your entire life.
You think bad negative thoughts,you're going to probably have a

(31:07):
shitty life, right? You think happy thoughts, your
life is going to become much happier, but there's steps
there. And it's not just like you know
the manifestation. It's that if you think happy
thoughts, well then you're goingto have happy words to people.
And then when you have happy words to people like you know,
they're, you're going to have that habit.
And then through time, your character's going to be happy

(31:28):
and you're going to like others.And you know, so through time it
just becomes you. The reason I bring this up now
is to me, that's what teaching adog to heal.
This is 1. It's very similar to this.
If you let your dog lunge for everything, even if they're not
being aggressive, that becomes them that that is your dog at
that point, right? If you let your dog pull for

(31:49):
literally everything they see, well, your dog's not going to
come home and now have good impulse control.
That's going to become their character, right?
And that's going to become theirhabit.
Like they're excitable and they do whatever they want and
they're going to pull really hard to get for stuff.
If you don't teach them to stop that on the walk and you're
especially if you're walking a lot, that's a lot of time that

(32:11):
your dog is exercising really bad habits and you're fooling
yourself if you think they're going to come home and not show
those bad habits. It's going to become a true
habit that they're going to be unable to stop.
And that habit's going to be, I see something I like, I'd use
all my physical force to get to it and that's annoying.
Who wants to live with a dog like that?

(32:31):
Very, Yeah, I, I'd never heard that actually, but I, I really
like that. Oh, with that quote.
Yeah. Yeah.
And it's, I mean, it's, you hearit and you think about it and it
you'll see, you'll know people in your life, right, That you're
like, they've got that nail. They, they're awesome because of
that. And the opposite people whose
lives, you know, get darker and sadder through time and like,

(32:52):
but all you do is complain and talk bad about others and then
don't do anything to fix it. Like.
And then, of course, that becomes your destiny.
Absolutely. Yeah.
So, and like I said, I've never once said that quote to a
client, but I explained that endpart to them.
And I think it's very powerful to think through that their
their actions become habits. That's what habits are, right?

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Habits are actions. You do enough that then you
start doing it without even thinking about it.
And then the destiny being the frustration, you know, that is
my destiny because I'm going to do these things at the house.
I'm going to be extremely frustrated that I can't do it
right. If someone's at the door, the
mailman comes and I'm barking atthem, you know, and now all of a

(33:35):
sudden I'm getting frustrated atthe fact that I can't actually
reach the person. And then the owner is getting
frustrated with the dog. I mean, so I mean it does it.
It fits very, very well. Yeah.
So I think that's usually a fairly easy one to convince
people of when, you know, once, especially if they have that
crazy lab, they're like, OK, yeah, we need impulse control.

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All right, Now the thing to fallback on, I want to cover.
We've covered this in so many prior episodes, so I don't know
how long we want to spend at least a couple minutes.
That way, if someone hasn't listened to prior episodes and
they're listening to this, they get some flavor.
What I would say though, is if you haven't listened to prior
episodes, listen to the last episode in the three-step

(34:21):
process. It is.
We talk, I mean we talk a littlebit about heal in every episode,
but we talk about a lot in that one about how to use it in real
life scenarios. So you want to take this,
Nelson? How do we, why is it good to
have something to fall back on? How do you sell a client on the
importance of that? What are your go to?

(34:42):
Just like what are your go to times?
You're telling them this is whenyou're going to use it.
Yeah, definitely. I guess I'll start with go to
times and then explain the concept using that example.
So a go to time for me would be the vet's office or like a
grooming salon, something along those lines where the dogs that
don't go frequently enough to have the greatest experience and

(35:05):
one kind of negative experience could taint, you know, about the
whole establishment. And think about it, right?
Like dogs are releasing pheromones because they're
scared. There's things that are
happening. So it's not just, you know, your
dog reacting to the place, but it's also your dog picking up on
what every other dog is feeling about the place.

(35:26):
And so it's very easy to see whythey get scared of, of certain
offices and, and things of that nature.
But the reason that that plays ahuge role is if they're nervous
or they're scared, you know, often times their mind goes into
OverDrive. They're over analyzing.
They are, you know, kind of making wild scenarios in their

(35:49):
head and letting those play out in the worst of ways.
Of course, you know, being able to fall back on heal when they
know it. So when it's kind of second
nature and a lot of the times you'll notice that after, you
know, a week or two of actually practicing heal, your dog just
kind of naturally hangs out at your side that again, it becomes

(36:09):
second nature. And that's awesome.
Doesn't mean they always have tostay there, but it's great that
they learned to find comfort there with the same exact
situation, or rather the same exact thing could happen in this
situation where your dog can naturally fall back to your
side. You can tell, hey buddy, come
on, heal and kind of get their mind focused on the job and the

(36:31):
task. But it's a perfect balance of
I'm not learning something new, in which case I'm becoming
overstimulated. I'm really worried about the
environment. I'm really worried about the
noises that I'm hearing that I'mhearing.
And on top of that, Nelson's trying to teach me something
that I'm, I just don't have the capacity to learn right now.

(36:52):
We say it all the time. I, I particularly say it a lot
with E collars is once you scarea dog, you kind of lost that
day, you're not going to get a lot of training done.
And so that's why we like to go super slow because again, you
need the capacity, the mental capacity to be able to learn a
new task, subject, sport, whatever.

(37:14):
In this case, they already know it.
And so they can fall into a goodheel with me and then slowly
start, you know, thinking more on the task instead of their
fears and get over the over analyzing and things.
Sometimes just doing a mindless task, although it's not not
necessarily mindless, but just doing the same task can be

(37:38):
therapeutic, you know, for people as well as dogs.
And it's in those more nerve wracking or scary situations
that I see this just really, really kind of shine.
And it'll work well, of course, when the dog is super excited.
But those are always the examples that I that I think of

(37:59):
when when we start talking abouthaving something to fall back
on. Yeah.
And I mean, there's so many examples and we've talked
through so many of them on this show.
And I mean what you said. For sure, every lesson.
Like the vets office or groomer.Yeah, it's crucial, right?
To be able to heal with a dog who's not calm there.
Whether they're fearful, aggressive, whatever, or just

(38:22):
overly stimulated, it's the way to calm them down.
And we know we use this. I mean, there's and I'll just
give you some highlights it verydifferent ones.
If a dog is food aggressive, we're healing back and forth
past the bowl until they chill out.
If a dog is terrified of the neighbor dog behind the fence,
we're going to heal in the yard on the other side of the yard,

(38:44):
unleash until they're calm and they're focused on us.
Then we're going to slowly get closer.
If they want to kill the neighbor dogs, they're highly
aggressive, we're going to do the same thing.
You know, we might have different mechanics, but the
same goal. Just focus on me, Heal, be
chill, pay attention to me. If the dog is crazy, when kids
come over, we're going to use heal to calm them down.
And it, I mean, it's just so many different scenarios.

(39:08):
And if there's another way you can do it that you'd like
better, that works, more power to you.
So if your dog barks out the front window and you said, hey,
I've taught them leave it and I can say leave it and you're a
huge treat based trainer and youcan say leave it.
And the dog knows that when theyleave it, they get a treat from
you. If you can do that, they come
over to get the treat and they don't go back to barking and

(39:29):
they get better through time. Cool.
That's so that's great if that'sif that works.
The vast majority of the time itdoesn't.
They're going to get that treat and go back and bark again.
And I was going to say, if that's the part that most people
fail at, right, is that they'll stop, they'll come to you,
they'll grab the treat, and thenthey will go right back to that
window and start all over again.Yep.
Or they just keep doing it, you know, day after day, month after

(39:51):
month. Maybe they stop in the moment,
but six months go by and your dog's still barking at the
window, Right? So or, you know, if you said,
hey, I could just tell them no in a sharp voice and he stops,
well, then yeah, don't heal. And I would refer you once again
to our three. Step process.
Listen to that episode. But this is so powerful.
When that doesn't work, when yousay no, it doesn't work.
You can't say leave it and give them a treat or a bone and now

(40:12):
they leave it and they're magically good.
They're still doing the stuff you don't like.
What else are you going to do? Take them out of the scenario?
Well, that's never going to get better.
Yell louder. Maybe that works, maybe it
doesn't, but it's probably not great for your blood pressure,
probably not great for your relationship with your dog.
So there's just so many times that heel is the thing that
makes the most sense. And back to what you Nelson, you

(40:34):
said earlier that it's the leastconfrontational, right?
So now I do want to throw out, Isaid this earlier, we modify
based what we explained based upon the the client and their
dog. So if we have a nervous dog
who's like does like let's say that lab has no impulse control,
they're nuts. But when you say no sternly,

(40:56):
that like the owner says no sternly, the dog pees and
they're very submissive, but they keep doing bad stuff.
Well, that dog, when we go for our heel walk, I'm not going to
spend a lot of time talking about, you know, being in charge
and the dog realizing you're theboss.
I'm, I'm going to say that. I'm going to give him that one.
I'll say that's obviously not that important with Bailey or
whatever she like, she doesn't have that, that thought of like,

(41:19):
I'm in charge. But what's really important is
she doesn't have impulse control.
And giving her a job is going towork wonders.
And we're going to spend a ton of time talking about #2 and #3
you know, the impulse control, the having a job and something
to fall back on. A dog who's just legit in the
house. The owner gives me no
complaints. Everything's great in the house,

(41:39):
never have a problem, great at whatever.
The only issue is walking. We're not going to spend a lot
of time about how awesome it is to have this to fall back on.
And then another example, be a dog who we know pushes the
owner's buttons constantly and they don't respect the owner in
the slightest. We're going to spend a lot of
time talking about #1 about establishing control, that

(42:00):
you're the boss. So I very much, if you're
thinking about this as a dog trainer, I would tailor it based
upon your client and their dog. And if you're just a dog owner,
think about, you know, you mightforget about one of these three
things. It might not be that important
to you, but I guarantee one of these 3 is very important to you
or you probably wouldn't be listening to the podcast.

(42:21):
So and really like. Not only that, you know, not
only would they get bored because they don't, you know,
buy in or anything like that, but also I just can't really
think of any dog that I've ever lived with that one of those
didn't apply. You know, every dog gets
excited. Every dog tries something goofy
or dumb and you have to be able to fix that.

(42:43):
Yeah, so if we covered enough, do we want to now circle back to
what some of the sport dog trainers have said?
I think so, yeah. Let's go for it.
So here's how I interpret that. They say pet dog owners and pet
dog trainers sometimes are obsessed with heel too much.
And I've heard a few of them. And once again, if you've seen

(43:04):
the videos and you know who I'm talking about, this is not a
critique. I, I, I've heard a couple in
particular that I really respectsay this.
And they say when I walk my own dog, I let them just do what
they want. That's their free time.
And what I think they're missinga little bit is the way the
average client or the average dog owner lives with their dog.

(43:24):
So those trainers in particular,they train their dogs for hours
per day. So they're putting a lot of time
in and their clients, if especially if they're people
that are focused on dog sports, they're training their dogs for
hours a day. So and heal competition, heal is
part of their routine. So they're already teaching

(43:45):
their dog heel. So they're not saying heel's not
important. They're saying heel for a pet
dog as you're walking down the sidewalk through the
neighborhood's not that important.
Well, these guys own dogs that when they say heel, stare up at
them and prance at their side perfectly past any distraction.
And they own dogs that they train and those dogs will obey

(44:06):
any command. So now when they go for their
walk and they say, I don't care if my dog heals right now,
that's because they've already achieved #1 and #2 and #3
they've achieved all of it. They can do all of that stuff.
So to me, when they say, well, Idon't really care if my dog
heals through the neighborhood, that's like me saying I don't

(44:26):
care if my dog does. I really don't.
I, I make my dogs heal the majority of the time on leash
because it's easier when they'reat my side.
I like them there and then I know when I come around a
corner, I'm not going to get metby a strange dog and my dog's
now 5 feet in front of me, but Iwalk them to where I get to
where I'm going. And then I, if I, there's no
other strange dogs around, I tell them free and I let them
run and be dogs. So what I think that they're

(44:50):
missing when they make these videos is they're picturing
their clients and their clients work their dogs hours per day.
So now to tie this into the average client, how many clients
do you have Nelson that either over train their dog or even put
in hours of training per day generally speaking?

(45:11):
I can tell you exactly 0 at the moment.
It's not to say I've never had those people, but at the moment
exactly 0. Yeah, I've got 0 at the moment
as well. And that's not a knock against
them. People, you know, people that
have dogs for dog sports got their dog because they wanted a
job, they want to work with their dog and they want to be
busy. Most people that come to a pet

(45:33):
dog trainer, they want a companion, but they didn't, they
don't want to work their dog an hour or two a day.
They just want their dog to be good.
So now to kind of tie this into real life, well, it's the
easiest time to be consistent when they're on leash and
walking. So I, if a client said I really,
really, really, really don't want to walk outside, is there

(45:55):
any way we can get the dog? You know, I want to let them not
heal in the neighborhood, but I want them to be the perfect dog.
Is that possible? Yes, it is.
Now you have to practice healingin the neighborhood sometime
because once again, those guys that are saying they don't think
it's all that important, they practice in a training field
around a bunch of other dogs andpeople having their dogs stay in

(46:16):
a competition heal like so that dog can walk at their side
staring at them without a leash on.
So they can do that. So if you can't do that, well,
then that's a problem. Like, you know, how are you
like, and I, I shouldn't say that like I don't need to.
We don't care if the dog looks at us.
We want them to not be pulling. But if you worked on all of that
and then you said, I just want my neighborhood walks to be not

(46:37):
healing. That's fine.
But nobody wants to put in that amount of time.
So you said it's the least confrontational heal way to get
control. I also find that it'd be one of
the easiest. This is way easier than what
they're doing with their dogs. My gosh, they're putting in so
much effort. And I do tell clients, if you

(46:57):
train your dog and you get your dog to be perfect, and six
months from now, you call me andyou say, Matt, my dog is
legitimately perfect. He's as good as I ever thought
he could be. I'm not frustrated.
He listens. Well, can I now walk him without
him being in the heel command? Yeah, absolutely.
And if you see something creeping up that you don't like,

(47:18):
tell him he'll and get him back.You've already taught him that
and he already respects you. He's already calm.
You fixed all your problems. But if you have all these
problems and you're not doing something to fix it, well, then
they're not going to go away. Right.
And the other thing too, and this is kind of where we were
talking about or I think I was the one that said it, that the

(47:39):
end result is very likely why they feel that way, because when
I think of heel and I think of like my dogs in the heel,
they're relaxed. They're just cruising along with
me half the times they're not looking at me.
They're just looking around to see what's going on.
You know, they're, they're panting a happy pant.

(48:00):
That's just a very, very easy going kind of walk.
That's not the case when they look at their dogs while their
dogs are healing, right? Those dogs are pushing into
them. Those dogs are kind of indexing
off of their leg very, very tightly.
They're panting because they're excited.
They are actively waiting for something.

(48:20):
And just to be clear, you're talking about a a trained?
Sport dog, right? Yeah, yeah, definitely.
And that part is that's what they're looking for.
That is what they're training for.
But that doesn't, that also doesn't seem relaxing, right?
And that that also doesn't necessarily seem like that would
achieve the calming part for thedogs.
You know, when they start, when they say heal, they can get past

(48:44):
all the distractions, but it's not because their dog is so calm
that it no longer cares about the distractions.
It's that they're so good at thetask that they can block out all
of the other, you know, stimuli going on around them.
And there's a, there's kind of abig difference with that.
You know, those dogs, again, it's annoying when I have an

(49:08):
extremely dry V dog that I'm working with, whether it knows
its obedience commands or not, right until I can get that dog
to calm down. It's an annoying task just
because those dogs are athletes.They are itching to go do
something at 110%, whatever it is that they're doing.
And so, you know, for those guys, when they think of heel,

(49:30):
they're, they're not thinking ofjust a calm, relaxing walk.
And I would assume that because their dogs are fulfilled and
tired that when they're just generally walking and the dogs
are not at their heel, they probably are calm and relaxed,
right? They're up ahead.
They're looking like my dogs just out ahead of them, right?
And so they're probably like, this seems way better than

(49:52):
healing. I don't know why you'd want to
heal, you know, for half an hour.
I don't know why you'd want to do any of that when look at my
dogs here. My dogs look nice and calm and
happy, just going for their freetime walk in the neighborhood.
Yeah, and they've achieved number 12 and three.
Their dog understands that way. Their dog has a job that it

(50:14):
performs on a daily basis, sometimes for many hours per
day, and they have something to fall back on.
They have many things to fall back on.
I guarantee that dog is a rock solid place command.
I guarantee that dog is a rock solid out and leave it.
I guarantee they have a rock solid come.
They have all this stuff at their disposal.
So they have 1-2 and three. They have it all.

(50:35):
And another way to explain this is if I met and I I say this to
clients a lot like if I met you at a party and you said my dog
is 3 year old pick your brain doesn't matter. 3 year old dog
and he's perfect. I, I don't there's nothing I
want to change to this behavior.I really like him.
Everything's great. Should I make him heal?

(50:56):
I I don't care what do whatever you want to do.
If you're happy and he's happy and he's good, then no.
If he's not causing issues on leash and he's legit in the
house, everything's good. Well, then why mess with
success? There's nothing you need to fix.
As soon as you come to me with alaundry list of problems, well,
now we need a laundry list of solutions, right?
And heal is one of them. And so it's like some of those

(51:19):
sport dog trainers will look at their dog and say, my dog's
good. He does everything I need to do.
Well, then yes, you don't need to add something else on to
that. So I think that's really
important for people to hear andthink about is do I need to
change my dog? And if the answer's no, well,
then you don't need to make any changes yourself.
Right. And if the answer's yes, then

(51:40):
yes, you too need to make some changes.
The answer's yes, but I'm not going to change.
I'm just hoping he will. Right.
All right, Nelson, what have we missed?
I think we've covered a lot of stuff.
We went through a lot of stuff here, but I think that's all of

(52:02):
it. I can't think of anything that
that I wanted to add. Should we even invite Vloss next
week or is this maybe it should just be you and me for now on.
This was good. This was the opposite of what we
wanted. Now it's like, do we even need
you? That's right.
I forgot. Well, we didn't call anybody, so

(52:23):
Vloss is not going to like that.We didn't call anybody.
Should we call someone real quick?
I don't know. Do you know anybody that do you
have a question? Vloss put it on the document.
Good old Vloss. Shouldn't we?
Can you pull that up real quick?I let's see if I can, I can do
it. So on the docket, Vloss wanted

(52:52):
us to call. This is a loaded question.
Oh, Nelson, I think for simplicity's sake, let's have

(53:17):
you answer this. OK.
Are you ready? I am.
But let's pretend it's a phone call ring.
Ring, ring, ring. Yellow Nelson, you are live on
the Suburban Canine Balanced Training podcast.
How are you? I'm doing great, how are you?
Long time listener, first time answerer.

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I like that. Sorry to cut you off.
I bet this is a big surprise. Well, we've got a 62nd question
for you. Here's the rules.
You have 60 seconds to answer. Any questions you ask count as
part of your answer. So got it.
There's not much time here. Here we go.
You arrive at the first follow up of a board and train program
for everyone who's listening. That means you've done the two

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week board and train. You did a follow up with, I'm
sorry, go home with a client, spent two hours with them.
But now a week later you're there for a follow up.
The owner tells you that the dogwho is healing perfectly at the
go home is now pulling when theygo for a walk outside.
The dog does heal well for the owner inside though.
How would you help them fix thisissue?

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I would start off by having themshow me what the heel looks like
inside. And I just want to make sure
that the dog is actually doing areally good job inside.
Critique whatever it is that I have to critique there because
there's a, there's a better chance that it'll be easier for
the owner to fix any mistakes inside and then we can fix the

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dog outside. Then I would go to a halfway
point. So I like to go to the backyard
or the front yard, do some training there, do some heel
left turns, right turns, make sure all of those are going, you
know how they're supposed to be.And I'm really looking for
either tugs to make sure that the owner is actually tugging in
the proper direction to tell their dog what it is that

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they're supposed to be doing andto see what it is that the dogs
are actually getting distracted with.
And then we will go for a walk around the neighborhood until we
find something that we actually need to get past as far as
distractions and stuff like thatgoes.
But that step process usually helps me identify what's going.
On muted you I'm this is my first time that was that was 60

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seconds. This is fun.
We well normally I I guess I have to hang up on people
normally to be able to mute themlike that or I guess take my
phone off speaker. Yeah, good answer.
I think I like that you said seehow the dog is doing inside
because you might have a different the definition of good
than they do. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

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And again, for people who are just barely about to start
working on heel with their dog, the dog looks completely
different when you're the one onthe leash and you're the one
watching someone walking the dog.
There's so much more that we cansee because when you're properly
healing, the dog's head is rightnext to your leg, and so

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glancing down doesn't tell you the whole story.
Yep. And getting them healing well is
going to be easy. A piece of strategy that I use
as a trainer that I think is good for all trainers to think
about. And then for, you know, dog
owners listening, I think this will make a lot of sense to you.
If I have a client who's frustrated, if they are
frustrated, my advice is if they're frustrated at the

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trainer. So if you're a trainer and the
client's like he's supposed to heal, he's not, you know, I
thought you trained him on this.My advice to you as a trainer is
take the leash yourself right away.
Show them how good the dog can be.
Get them confident again where they're like, Oh my gosh, OK,
maybe it's me. Then let's show me how to do
this. So if the client's frustrated at

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the process or frustrated at you, I think the right answer is
you take the leash and you show them quickly how how things can
be good. And the reason is human nature.
If they're frustrated at you andthey don't believe it's going to
work, well, they're not going tomake it work.
So then nothing's going to go well.
Now the flip side is if they're like, hey, you trainer dogs,
amazing for you and I saw them and they go home.

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They were awesome for you. I don't know what I'm doing, but
over the last week things have slid.
How do I fix this? Then I there's no way you should
take the leash. You should have guide them
through everything and then you're now you're not building
their confidence in the process.You're building their confidence
in them, in them self. So then do not take the leash
really under any circumstance. Build up their confidence.

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Show them they can do it. Show them the things they're
doing wrong and get the dog under control that way.
So to me, there's a big distinction there.
Do they, are they frustrated with the process and think it's
not working? Or do they know it's kind of
their least skills and they needhelp?
And that really will affect the change the way you work on it.
Yeah, absolutely. And to put it in different
words, just in case there's, youknow, like clients that are

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listening to this of other dog trainers, you know, it's, it's
not so much of throwing it in your face of like, look, the dog
can do it. And like this is.
But what happens is that if people feel like they found the
answer, they stop looking and then they, they stop kind of
working towards the end goal. So if they have it in their

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head, if anyone has it in their head that the dog doesn't know
it or it's the, it's the trainer's fault, they're,
they're not going to be critiquing themselves and trying
to figure out what's going on. They already know the answer and
the answer is bad training. And that's not the case.
And the other end where you wouldn't take the leash away
because they're actively seekingan answer, you know, they, they

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don't have it in their head that, hey, the training is
definitely what was wrong here. That person is actively seeking,
you know, an answer to their problem.
And so it's very, very easy to kind of work through with that
person because they're they're trying to perfect themselves.
For sure. And person number one that
doesn't trust the process and thinks the dog's not trained

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very quickly becomes person 21. You've shown them, you take the
leash, you start healing and very quickly they're like, OK,
he does it for you, how do I do it?
And then you show them how they do it and then problem solved.
Exactly. And you're exactly right.
You know, once, once you kind ofshow them, hey, it's not that he
can't do it, it's just that we're missing something here.

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Again. All of a sudden, person number
one turns into person #2 lookingfor the answer.
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