October 10, 2024 • 51 mins
What happens when an IT professional with a passion for faith and human connection meets the rigors of everyday life? Gary Zane, who discovered his love for computers with a Commodore 64, joins us to explore this very question. From his high school typing classes to his journey as a self-employed IT expert, Gary's story is both inspiring and humbling. He shares how his belief system and life experiences have defined his professional approach, making him a "people person" who uses his tech skills to serve and uplift others.
Balancing faith with daily challenges is no easy feat, and Gary opens up about his personal struggles and the continuous need for spiritual guidance. We discuss how faith isn't a magic solution to life's problems but a path that requires humility and constant recalibration. Through heartfelt stories, Gary illustrates how small moments of encouragement and unexpected spiritual connections are woven into the fabric of our daily routines, reminding us of the importance of being open to God's guidance.
In the midst of our busy lives, finding balance is crucial. Gary and I delve into how taking breaks through simple activities like watching TV or going for a drive can mitigate issues like insomnia and anxiety. We emphasize the spiritual necessity of rest and its alignment with biblical teachings, offering a holistic approach to wellness that encompasses spirit, soul, and body. As Gary shares his dedication to helping small business owners with personalized support, we highlight the value of human interaction and the importance of maintaining purpose and community, especially for those nearing retirement. This episode is a rich tapestry of technical wisdom, faith, and practical advice for achieving balance in our hectic lives.
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Dr DeWayne Baugus (00:00):
Thank you for joining us today on Balancing
Life and Medicine.
I'm Dr DeWayne Baugus.
My guest is Gary Zane.
He's the computer guy.
We're going to be diving intowhat he does, his faith, his
understanding, his interactionswith all those in the community
and how he wants to be able tohelp you.
So enjoy our conversation andI'll look forward to your
(00:21):
comments.
Welcome to Balancing Life inMedicine.
I'm Dr DeWayne Baugus.
I'm joined today with Gary Zane, also known as my Computer Guy.
He knows just about everythingthat you can imagine about
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computers and all the thingsthat computers have changed,
upgraded and turned into overthe last few years.
So we're going to dive intowho's Gary, who's this guy
working on my computer, who'sthe one keeping my business
going and what really makes Garytick as far as his faith and
how he works with others whenthey're asking for his help.
(01:04):
Thanks for joining me, gary.
Thank you, yeah, it's greatthat you're here.
I've got to know you over ournetworking group.
Gary Zane (01:10):
Yes, spark, spark.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (01:13):
Yeah, it's a fun one.
And you're the IT guy, you'rethe IT guru, you're the one that
we always call on wheneversomething's wrong with our
presentations and you're like,yeah, you guys will fix it.
You guys, I love to watch youmake us figure it out.
But I also know that you've gotyour way of doing things and
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you do things with a lot ofwisdom and I've always liked
that when we've interacted.
So tell me what?
Who's Gary?
I mean, you use every platformthat you can when interacting
with people to shareencouragement and hope.
I just hear that in your voice.
When did you start the myComputer Guy?
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Where did you get into this?
Gary Zane (01:58):
Forty years ago my older brother gave me a
Commodore 64 for a weddingpresent and I understood
immediately that somethingclicked on the inside of me.
It just made sense, and veryfew other people that I ever
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talked to understood that oreven cared about it at all.
But it was just a desire and awillingness to learn.
No, a desire to learn, and I'vebeen doing stuff like that ever
since.
I really didn't know beforethat, I guess you could say.
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Really it got started when Itook typing class in high school
because I wanted to be aroundthe girls and get dates which
worked, by the way, oh yeah.
And I did get up to 55 words aminute on a manual typewriter.
Come on, that's the hammerright?
Yeah, 55 words a minute for aguy, that's pretty good.
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But that helped a lot, becauseevery job that I had after that
the boss would always say hey,gary knows how to type, put him
on the computer.
And so I learned data entry, asthey called it back then, and,
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like I said, it just clicked andI understood it and I picked it
up, probably years after I wasborn again, that it was a
leading from God, because myresume, by all rights, looks
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like a shotgun blast, except Irealized that everything that I
have done has led up to who I amtoday.
The 20 years of warehousing,the 20 years of sales, the 20
years of business understandingall overlapping of course,
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because I'm only 73, I'm reallynot 145, that everything just
kind of built into me how totreat people and again, I was
rather sociopathic until a fewyears after I was born again,
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and then I got this weirdlikability for these human
beings that I really didn't havebefore, for these human beings
that I really didn't have before.
Again, everything that I havedone all of my life led up to
who I am.
And I tell people I'm not acomputer guy, I am a people
person that happens to knowabout computers and that is the
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window to get in front of peopleand meet needs.
I feel like a bartender.
Sometimes People just startregurgitating all of their
problems.
You know, because it's theSpirit of God in me that draws
those things out so that I knowhow to meet those needs.
(05:22):
And so you ask questions, youlearn about people, you ask
things about them.
You look at things on theirwalls and pictures of the
grandkids and the cats and theold houses and you find out
where the connection is so thatyou can present the Lord Jesus
Christ, mm-hmm.
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And when I picked up thatcomputer it just started to go
along and build other things.
I got really good at computers,got out of corporate by demand.
I was working down in SouthTexas, came back home in 05 and
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tried to find a job because Ineeded a paycheck and people
either wanted to pay me $10 anhour or said that I was
overqualified.
So I just got too busy workingon other people's computers to
go look for a job.
And it's been like that for 20years.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (06:22):
Self-employed solopreneur.
Gary Zane (06:23):
I love it.
Wow, you never know how theSelf-employed Solopreneur.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (06:25):
I love it.
Wow, you never know how theLord's going to send someone
into your life like a computerguy or a plumber.
He has people everywhere thathe is just using to get to
people.
Gary Zane (06:42):
I heard the great term is that we are to
infiltrate, we sneak in.
He sneaks us in unknowing.
I mean if someone opened thedoor and says, okay, I'm here to
preach the gospel, you know 90%of the people would just run
out the back door.
So he sneaks you in.
You go hey, how you doing.
(07:03):
Aha, the hook.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (07:06):
Well, because he's a real God and we're real
people and he uses real people,real stories, right, instead of
just slapping them in the facewith this is the gospel.
You know, I think it'sinteresting how many times I've
had people come over to thehouse and minister to me, or
even here in the clinic.
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New patients come in, and manytimes they're here because, well
, there's a pain or something'swrong, when in fact they've got
a beautiful message.
So he sneaks them in here too.
Gary, they're everywhere,they're spies, right.
But it's a beautiful thingbecause it's the last people
that you may think would have abeautiful message or plant hope
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in your pocket.
You let them get close and allof a sudden, there it is and
you're like, well, how did thatguy turn my day?
Gary Zane (07:57):
around.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (07:58):
You know it's a beautiful thing and I think
we all have a role to playsomewhere, absolutely.
And finding your role, I think,isit seems like the hardest
part, but it's also the blessedpart.
Some people search for theiridentity, they search for who
they're supposed to be and theyforce it.
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And many of us find that theLord has been choreographing and
planning the whole time.
You're 20 years and 20 yearsand you know all those years
that he was putting layers ofyour understanding together with
you, thinking you're doing yourown thing and he's going yeah,
I'm filling you up.
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I got this layer of business andthis layer of corporate
distaste and understanding andwe got all these kind of
different layers.
And I think that's probably oneof the things that really
shines in you the most.
When I get to interact with youat the networking group, but
seeing you interact with others,there's always a message and
you're right, you're not thecomputer guy, you're Gary.
(09:01):
Right, and you're real.
And there's no facade, there'sno sales pitch.
Right, and you're real.
And there's no facade, there'sno sales pitch yeah.
It's just, this is how you'regoing to get blessed, and I'm
going to give it to you today.
Gary Zane (09:08):
I don't really care, yeah.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (09:10):
So you're in a corner and I'm not letting you
go anywhere until how's yourcomputer, How's God?
Bless you today.
Gary Zane (09:15):
Let's get into it.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (09:19):
Yeah, you know there, but it's fun to see
you interact.
And you're right, there's somepeople who are trying but
they're not quite there with themessage.
But they're waiting for amessage.
They want to receive something.
Gary Zane (09:34):
They really do People .
We are a needy lot, we humans.
Yes, oh man, and you know a lotof people get born again and
they think all their needs aremet and everything is just.
We came to Jesus with needs andwe are still a needy bunch of
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Jesus freaks.
I have needs and until youadmit that, you're still going
to stay a mess.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (10:03):
It's a daily thing isn't it, it is, yeah, I
know.
For me personally, it's a dailything.
It's like I wake up and I haveto give thanks and I focus
everything, hoping and praying.
Lord, be with me.
Lord, guide me, guide my mind,guide my mouth, my words.
God, I'm a mess.
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Can you just go ahead and fixit all and make it better?
And that's just not going tohappen.
And it doesn't.
Justthings are just magicallygiven to you.
I think the world is made totear us away from the Father.
It's made to distract us, getus caught in emotions, get us
flustered with a computer notworking, get us flustered with a
system.
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Whatever the case is, For meit's when people's body doesn't
work right.
They're frustrated.
Gary Zane (10:52):
God hates me Like?
Absolutely not.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (10:55):
Remember every breath is a gift and it's
going to get better.
It will get better.
I try to encourage them whileI'm sticking them with needles.
It doesn't always come acrosslike a great message, but they
can't go anywhere after I stickthem, so I just minister to them
then too.
Gary Zane (11:12):
Yeah.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (11:14):
But you get to go into people's homes.
Yes, it's a personal thing.
Gary Zane (11:19):
Yes, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, perfectly put.
It's a choreography that you orI could not possibly plan it.
Yes, he puts us in exactly theright place at exactly the right
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time, with exactly the rightpeople, with exactly the right
message, and they go.
How did you know that?
I love hearing that.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (11:56):
Oh my gosh, Gary, thank you so much for
saying that I go what?
Yeah, I needed to hear thattoday.
Gary Zane (12:00):
Yeah.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (12:00):
Or here's the third one today to say or yeah,
yeah, it's wonderful to see,because we're witnesses too,
we're going we're encouragedyeah.
We're growing with eachinteraction that we have and I
find that I get a problem, gary,I stumble and I try to add my
own story.
I try to give a little bit morethan Embellishment.
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Yeah, Well, you know what else Iknow.
You know the ego takes, butwhen it comes down to it, I'm
learning to say less and listenmore, because people do talk and
I get a little bit of thepersonal life.
I get a lot.
Sometimes I get more than whatI want to know.
(12:44):
As far as a patient coming in,they'll, they'll, they'll
overshare or they think it'sit's something I need to know,
and many times it's not reallyoversharing, it's they're
opening their heart up and andletting me see who they are.
But you're walking into theirbook.
When you're walking there, likeyou said mentioned earlier,
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there's pictures, there'sbookshelves, there's their
design of what they see in theirlife as being what they want,
what they're comfortable with,and when you step into that,
they're very vulnerable.
I mean, this day and age, youdon't just let crazy.
You know all kinds of peoplewalk in, right?
You're trying to filter.
You're trying to say, well, I'mjust not going to let anybody
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in.
So there's the Holy Spirit inwith that key, that ticket for
Gary to walk into someone'sprivate dwelling, their
sanctuary, and do you have toever force a situation or a
conversation?
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Or do those conversations justopen up when people start to,
when you're working.
I imagine Gary up underneath adesk and wires everywhere, and I
don't know You're going to getto work on our services here
soon, but I try to imagine, likeyou know, what's Gary look like
.
You see his two feet out fromunderneath the desk and
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someone's talking, you know, andyou're underneath responding.
What is that?
Gary Zane (14:13):
Dwayne, I have also learned I can try to push the
conversation to bring things outof people and a lot of times I
never get a chance to sayanything and they are still
upset people and I just taketheir money and that's okay.
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You know, I'll bet you Jesusdidn't perform a miracle every
single day.
The, the 12 so-called apostles,the first guys, philip,
disappeared after a while.
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You never knew what happened,but that area what I've heard
exploded with the church and younever hear anything about
three-fourths of those guys.
You don't have to.
God will use you at the righttime and sometimes I do get
bored.
Oh, you know, I must be done.
I'm not ever talking to anyoneand then all of a sudden, you
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know, someone will give me a hugand say, man, you just really
made my day.
And I go really, what did I do?
You know I said that, well,I'll be.
You know, I guess God is stillusing me, right, you never can
tell.
Just, we would talk to a minuteago, before we started, about
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the sacrifice, abraham puttingIsaac on that, and God needed to
know that he was willing.
Isaiah 119, if you are willingand obedient you will eat the
good of the land, but if youresist and rebel, you will be
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devoured by the sword.
He didn't say I'll kill you.
It'll happen naturally, or elseit can happen supernaturally.
It's up to us.
And I have to put myself onthat altar daily because I don't
want to.
I'd just as soon be holed up inmy little condo in my sweats,
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watching TV all day, every day.
And I tried that.
March 1st 2020, locked down, Isaid, oh man, this is great, I'm
kicking up.
I got lots of time.
I can't go out.
Therefore, I don't.
And after a week, I'm going.
I'm bored.
I need to see some human beings, because he needs to go see
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people, and you're the vehicle.
You get hungry for it.
Exactly, yeah.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (16:56):
Well, yeah, perfectly yeah.
Yeah, we get hungry for that.
I know it happens exactly thesame here when I come in.
I haven't slept very well, Ifeel like I'm off, you know, and
talking to the Lord the wholeday, going, please strengthen me
.
And my wife turns on thecomputer and it doesn't do what
it's supposed to and I heareverything because it's quiet
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when I'm getting the clinic setup and the first thing in the
morning and I hear, and I hearhuffing and puffing and then
there's a cabinet door that is alittle bit louder than it
usually would be when it'sgetting shut and I'm thinking
this is going to be a day, thisis going to be one of those days
.
How can we turn this day around?
How do I get out of the way andlet the Lord— how do I get the
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old man to stop feeling likehe's doing something and just
relax, because I know the Lord'sgot it?
As soon as a patient comes inand they start to minister to me
and I'm going, all right,that's prayers answered and
they're full of blessings andthey're supportive and they're
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encouraging the patients whenthey come in.
Usually it's a day of.
If it's one of those days towhere, man, I'm feeling good,
like I'm energized, let's helppeople, let's get them turned
around right.
The worst patients ever come inthe door.
I mean, they're dragging a leg.
They've got massive migrainesfor days, you know, and I'm like
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, yeah, it's an uphill battle,but the days when it's
flip-flopped, he encourages, hesupports, he sends support.
And I wonder about thoseapostles.
You know how many of them justwalked by and planted the seed.
They didn't dig into a deepconversation.
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In fact, there was probablymore words spoken without a
mouth being opened.
Just by how they looked, howthe Lord'show, the Holy Spirit,
shines on you.
I wonder how much of an impactthat has on people, because we
don't know.
We don't know that perspective.
Well, have you ever faced aconflict with a customer?
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Have you ever been challenged?
Gary Zane (19:16):
Oh, no, never.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (19:20):
What happens when that challenge does happen?
How do you respond?
Are you humble or what do youdo?
Gary Zane (19:35):
That's a day-by-day struggle, isn't it?
Yeah, you know, I'm justthinking.
We've been talking about somethings and a lot of new
believers think, oh, the old manis dead.
Now I don't have to worry aboutthe flesh anymore and I'm a
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brand new creation.
I'll never have to deal withsin and those old.
No, we still have the same soul, mind, emotions.
We still have those samechallenges and some days, dwayne
, I blow it royally and it'slike I'll walk out going.
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You're supposed to almost intears myself seeing what he has
done through me, because I wasan open and committed vessel.
It is a daily, weekly, hourly,sometimes momentarily struggle
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that I often have to deal with.
I'm the guy that gets behindsomeone and honks and I'm the
guy that gets impatient at linesin Walmart.
Nevertheless, a lot of timeswhen I am with a client and
working with something, I hearvery strangely oh my gosh, gary,
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you are so patient and I'mgoing.
Are you talking to me?
I am not patient at all.
I am the most impatient peoplethat I know.
But when I'm in front of thatsituation, I mean I can't just
get up and say, oh, I'm tired ofthis, I can't do it, I don't
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want to anymore.
See you later.
Later That'll be $80.
No, it's like there has to be afix for this and there are
still times that I don't fix it.
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I do not know everything aboutcomputers.
I say software and networking,but God knows everything and the
times.
There have been a lot of timesthat it was like hit control
panel, hit hardware.
Now hit that and they go.
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It fixed it and they go.
How did you do that?
I go.
I don't know.
But it's often an opportunityto say the Holy Spirit inside of
me knows computers.
All I have to do is listen.
They go what, what do you mean?
So I get an opportunity.
That's amazing.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (22:45):
Because that's how it works Often, not
always.
Often yeah, that's like me,works Often, not always.
Often.
Yeah, that's like me everboasting that I know everything
about the body.
I mean, I got a needle for itbut it doesn't mean it's going
to fix it.
So I've got a strategy, but itmay not work, and being able to
just be truthful in that regardsays wonders, doesn't it?
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Like you're admitting, I can'tdo it all, so I have to rely on
the Lord.
I think that that speaksvolumes.
Gary Zane (23:18):
Way too often I walk in after someone has been fed up
with some quote-unquote ITperson that talked down to them
and told them what they had todo with their computers and
their money.
And oh no, I am a broken,humble person and all I have is
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suggestions.
This is their computer, theirmoney.
I am their servant, theiremployee.
When I walk in, they are theboss.
I am not and I can makesuggestions on what they might
be able to do in the future.
But I listen and find out whatthey want to do and they want me
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to do, and if they have anyquestions they can always ask me
and most of the time when theyunderstand that, I walk out
successful.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (24:21):
There it is.
Now tell me, how does Garyunwind?
You're not always on a computer.
Oh well, all too often, as Iknow, you've got that beautiful
car and you've already expressedhow much time you spend with
that, that baby, my computer onwheels, my ipad.
Gary Zane (24:41):
I have a 10 year old tesla model s that it still runs
like it's brand new.
I love that thing and it is atech device and I know I like
tech and so that really fits mevery well To unwind, you know
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different things.
A lot of times, just like Isaid, I can sit down in front of
the TV and just have a goodtime vegging out just mindless
stuff.
I really don't read near asmuch as I have in years past
because I am all too oftenreading technical stuff on the
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computer often reading technicalstuff on the computer and all
of a sudden I look up and it'slunchtime and I haven't got up
for three hours and so I oftenneed to just rest my eyes.
A lot of times I do like to getin that car and go for a drive
because it costs me almostnothing to drive that car and it
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goes really fast, reallysmoothly, very quietly and just
going for drives.
And Oklahoma in the summertimeis really gorgeous.
There are lots of little hillsand the cattle out in pasture
and I have a good time lookingat things yards or miles away.
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Often I like to be aroundfriends and, just again, just
talking, listening to theirstories and doing things,
different things.
I really don't go to church alot.
Actually, I've again become aSunday Christian just because at
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the bridge, where I go to 121stMemorial, our Wednesday nights
have become kind of a familynight and, being an older single
guy, I don't really feel like Ifit in.
I don't really feel like I fitin and besides, it could take me
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a half an hour to get from myhouse at 11th and Garnett to
121st Memorial on 169 and not bea statistic.
So I would just rather stay offthe streets in busy times so
doing different things, to relax.
But I do that.
I have learned that I wentabout 10 years without ever
taking a vacation and the firsttime I did I went oh my gosh,
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that's what they mean by restingand also meditating.
Hebrews chapters 3 and 4 on therest and how invigorating it is
.
You know he was pretty smart insaying that we need a day off,
whatever day that you choose.
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Often mine is a Saturday,sometimes a Sunday, but a day
off is really invigorating andempowering and so I make sure
that I do have some time off tobuild back up, recharge,
energize and then get back towork.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (28:09):
I think it's essential we have to do that.
We have to disconnect.
Gary Zane (28:12):
Oh, you really know that, don't you?
Dr DeWayne Baugus (28:14):
Yeah, I do.
That's what people come herefor.
Gary Zane (28:16):
Yeah, because they haven't.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (28:19):
Yeah, they either don't know how to
disconnect or they can't relax.
And in today's world we have alot of individuals who are
emotionally charged with lots ofworry, lots of anxiety, fear,
depression, all those things,and they're working.
And many times they're workingto disassociate, they're getting
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away from themselves andthey're focusing on other things
and when it comes time for themto rest, at the end of the day
they can't because theiremotions slap.
They're there again.
It's like, well, I spent allday trying to get away from me
and that's why I go to work andI'm trying to make money, and
now I can't rest at home.
So we start to find this problemwith insomnia, this
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overthinking, and then we startto see individuals that they
become workaholics.
Right, because every time I gohome I'm waiting.
So what I'll find is peopletoday will come in and they're
like I just turn it all off.
That's usually what they'll sayLiterally turn it off.
Could you just make it stop?
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Just turn it all off and like,yeah, happy to do so.
That's easy, we can do that.
But at the same time, you know,I'm interrogating them.
Gary Zane (29:34):
What are you running?
Dr DeWayne Baugus (29:34):
from what's what's on your mind?
What's all the fear, what's theworry, when are your thoughts
going?
Because they can't get in thecar and drive without
self-hypnotizing anddisconnecting.
Gary Zane (29:51):
Yeah.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (29:51):
You know a lot of people.
They do a level ofself-hypnosis when they get on
the road.
Did you know that we see it allthe time.
If you get on the road you'regetting ready to go to work or
you're going to your localrestaurants.
You always go to and you getthere and you're like man, I
don't even remember the firstthree lights.
I know I drove through themwhen I left.
That that's a self-hypnosis.
Gary Zane (30:12):
Oh, that's what I've been doing.
You've been disconnecting.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (30:15):
You're disconnecting and you're just
like on autopilot.
Gary Zane (30:18):
Yeah, and you're just like on autopilot, unless
someone gets in front of you andyou've got to honk your horn.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (30:22):
I know that takes a little energy, but it
brings you back to a groundedreality.
The idea is, how do we staypresent and aware and at peace
with the Lord, with the HolySpirit that's there giving us
that?
Because we can't get it anyother way, we try to fake it
right we coffee, we sugar, weall kinds of things and a lot of
people don't know how todisconnect.
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They come in and that's where Iget to do my work is turn their
brain off.
Gary Zane (30:51):
And I think you're one of the few believers that
understand we need to ministerto the whole man spirit, soul
and body.
I've been reading a book calledhe Healed them All by Barry
Bennett.
On our Tuesday night men'sBible study with a bunch of
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godly men that are just anamazing bunch.
I look forward to that everyweek and in that book we learned
that the whole man needs to beright to keep us from getting
sick and having malfunction.
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Now that's what you are herefor and you are probably one of
the few people in all threeareas that you take care of all
the whole man.
Some people are justchiropractors, some people are
just ministers and some peopleare acupuncturists, but you know
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spirit, soul and body and toomany believers don't know to
take care of that.
We overeat, we eat wrong, weoverwork, under sleep because we
think we're supposed to staybusy for Jesus and he's saying
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shut up.
You know, he said it is finished.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (32:21):
So he meant that why are you trying to do
more?
Why are we trying to add to?
That's a delicate walk, isn'tit?
Because we have this feelinglike we're supposed to be doing
something more, and I think thatthat's the world we grew up in.
Is you got to do something toget something that's ingrained
in us, isn't it?
So it has been a difficult oneThank you for noticing that,
gary.
To hit all those three areasand to get people to understand
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how important they are.
And now you know, it's beenover a decade and I'm getting to
the wonder.
I'm like Lord, is there ashortcut?
Can I just stab them and theyget it?
You know, kind of like, can Ishish kebab all three of those
areas with one needle and bedone where everything just falls
?
But it doesn't work that way.
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It takes a daily sacrifice, ittakes a daily check-in.
I love your Tuesdays.
That's your refill plug, isn'tit?
Gary Zane (33:17):
It's one of them.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (33:18):
Yeah, so it's where you're getting the word
and you're you're gettingsupported and encouraged, and I
know we all have to do that.
Mine, mine's, thursday morningsUh, I get to get to meet with
that guy Thursday mornings, anda couple of others, and that's
my charge, in fact.
I look, I look forward to itevery week.
I don't look forward to thetime it's too early.
Gentlemen, if you're watching,change it.
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So, no, it's important to dothat and I think a lot of
patients come in and they startto look for that when they
develop a relationship with me.
We have patients that have beencoming for years and I think
that that's something that weall can grow in is being more
attuned to finding out wheresomeone is struggling, by
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listening and not directlyhitting the nail on the head,
but learning the wisdom to getencouragement to that area of
need.
Gary Zane (34:14):
To that area, that area.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (34:16):
It's difficult because I found with
treating patients, wheneverthere's something that they're
really that's eaten them andsometimes it eats them for years
it's long-term anxiety or it'slong-term trauma, or it's the
inability to let go and forgivethat translates as large
intestine issues, that'sdigestive issues.
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In other words, all these haverepercussions, all the emotional
components, and if you pointout what someone's weakness is,
they put a wall up immediately.
You can't do that.
Gary Zane (34:49):
So, it's.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (34:50):
The Lord can, but we can't, yeah, so finding
a way of encouraging withoutshutting down, I think, is it's
got to be something that comeswith wisdom.
I don't know or I don't know,but I know that that's a tricky
area when you're working withcustomers that are unsettled or
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aggravated.
Their livelihood is in yourhands with their computers.
Go ahead.
Gary Zane (35:24):
And we were talking about praying earlier, asking
Father for things, and Ephesians1.6 says that we have already
been blessed with every possiblephysical and spiritual blessing
.
Now, if you really think aboutit, years ago I heard this guy
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named Andrew Farley come to ourchurch and said you know anymore
?
My prayer is wow and thank you.
Because I start to ask forsomething and I go oh, yeah, you
already promised that and yeah,you have already given that.
Wow, Thank you.
And so a lot of times my prayertime is praise and thanksgiving
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and worship, because it's if Istart to ask for, for something,
then I'm really denying that.
He has already said you've gotit.
Take it.
The word receive means toprovided, and I feel like it's
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an insult to slap in my dad'sface to say would you heal me
please, Like Jesus wasn't enoughto take care of that.
No, I am healed, I have beenhealed and so, consequently,
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it's kind of worked.
A lot of people think that I'm50-something when I'm 73.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (37:08):
Yeah, you don't look the 73 part.
Gary Zane (37:11):
Well, a lot of that is Mediterranean too, but I
attribute it to the living Godinside of me, Absolutely.
Yeah, that's where it is insideof me, absolutely yeah, that's
where it is.
Yeah, yeah, so, and I can keepup with my Senator, dave Rader.
Yesterday we went walking forfour hours.
I put in five miles and almost100 degrees and I kept up with
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him and I'm able to take care ofthings when I need to.
And it is certainly the graceof God and that is what I've
been doing when I see people trydifferent businesses in a lot
of our networking groups that wego to and, oh my gosh, by the
grace of God, for 20 years Ihave made a living just playing
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with other people's computersand it's like this is nuts.
You know they call me and wantto pay me for playing around on
windows and looking on theinternet and it works and that's
finding that place.
Years ago, decades ago, I readthis book called Up your
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Parachute.
I think it was how to Find aJob, and one of the very first
things that I think Zig Ziglarused to iterate is find
something you love and do it.
And if you don't love whatyou're doing, then can I put
this abruptly get the hell outand let someone in there that
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wants to do it.
And you know, often I come upon people that are very unhappy
with their jobs, and sometimes Ican hint to them.
Maybe they should leave Ifthey're not happy.
Hint to them, maybe they shouldleave If they're not happy.
You know, they're not forced tobeing there.
United States of America, youcan do just about anything that
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you really want to if you setyour heart to it, and we have no
excuses around here.
You and I have done our littlepart to ensure our freedoms.
Thank you, dwayne.
Oh yeah, thank you, and no,there is no excuse, and I have
been very fortunate, but I stilllove what I do and I think
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about retiring and again, I gettired of not being around people
.
Yeah, and so I'm just going tokeep doing what I do and then
take a vacation once in a while.
I don't think retirement's anoption.
I don't think that's in Father'svocabulary.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (39:44):
I don't think so.
I don't think that there's a—Ithink that's a human, fleshly
idea, but I don't believe it's aspiritual one, because we're
eternal.
And I see more patients getsick and withdraw and lose their
life because they retired.
Gary Zane (40:01):
They made it, they quit.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (40:03):
And they quit and they stopped that human
interaction which we all need,and they start to fade.
I really appreciate what yousaid earlier the healing.
That's something that I get alot of conversations about in
here.
But that's something that I geta lot of conversations about in
here, you know, with patientsthat come in with cancer.
They've got organ systems,neurological, you know, and it's
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a big one Because you know, asmentioned in the very beginning,
there's some people maybe itwas before we got in front of
the camera there's some peoplethat like to play church, they
like to play Christian, but theyhave no relationship with the
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Lord Seek first the kingdomright.
Seek first, so seek the Lord,and all seek Him, and what we
see is there's the seek Himcrowd and then there's the
seeking byproducts ofChristianity.
Well, I'm seeking a healing,yeah.
Gary Zane (41:05):
I'm seeking this.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (41:07):
I'm looking for the prosperity.
You need to look for the Lord.
When you find Him, you knowHe'll lead your path.
But the wants of the crowd,what is it?
All those followers that followChrist, you know?
Then he dropped the bomb onthem.
If you want to follow, you know, pick up your cross, follow me.
Told them what they needed todo and all of them were like
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yeah, we're out, circus is over,no more miracles, whatever.
We're leaving because we don'twant to commit to being a
Christian.
They left.
There was thousands, multitudes, right.
And they just they went awaybecause he told them this is
what it takes.
But they were there for theshow, they were there for the
miracle.
They didn't really commit and Isee that with business owners
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that have the Holy Spiritguiding them, there's a plan for
them.
We mess up here and there, buthe's already.
That's part of the equation.
He knows what we're going to do.
He knows Gary's going to walkout and kick somebody's mailbox
Hopefully you don't.
It's just because I'll work onyour toe if it happens but you
get frustrated and that's Ithink he knows all these things.
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But there's another group ofbusiness owners that we're
surrounded by, like you said,the networking groups.
There's those who are out thereto see what they can get from
our community instead of seeingwhat the community needs them to
give.
I'm not going to go intoKennedy's speech.
Gary Zane (42:34):
Oh, exactly, I knew I could see it in your eyes.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (42:38):
But what can I do and what do I like to do,
if I was to let every patient ohgosh, we're putting Kenneth's
gonna publish this.
This is gonna go out to themasses.
But, like you said, you get toplay on computers.
I get to play darts all day.
Gary Zane (42:55):
It's fun, but it's helping people.
Yeah, it's ministering to peopleat the same time so you know,
in a way it's also kind ofunfair.
This is an unnatural let's saysupernatural life, especially,
if I could be bold enough to say, for an American male, because
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we are steeped in a culturalsociety says you work to get.
If you don't work, you don'teat.
And yes, that is a scripture.
But I mean, our dads werealways saying you got to get out
there and earn it.
And Saving Private Ryan, one ofhis last lines is saying earn
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this.
And Jesus says, no, you can'tearn it.
And it definitely is a fight tolive in this world.
And, yes, live in this world.
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And yes, we need to earn aliving because you, you do get
respect by presenting yourselfas doing the right thing.
And at the same time, at fiveo'clock, if you want to call it
that you, you turn into aself-sacrifice.
And then, eight o'clock in themorning, you got to turn it back
on and start working.
And yes, it is supernatural butit is possible.
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You can work hard and be abeliever.
You can worship Jesus andsacrifice and still serve that
nasty boss by being obedient andcommitted.
It is a struggle at times butit's doable, obviously.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (44:49):
It is.
I think we see people doing itall the time.
I can't imagine.
I've got uncles and familymembers that they worked at the
same plant for 35, 40 years, youknow.
They got up every day, terribleconditions and they just did
the same repetitious thing and Ithink, goodness, that had to be
a nightmare.
But they love that, thatrepetition.
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But they also enjoy the payoff.
They enjoy the family time,they enjoy the vacations, they
enjoy the benefits of being agood worker, a good servant.
I don't know that everybodyenjoys that.
What they do every day and Ithink you can tell the genuine
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part of people falls off whenthey get tired, you know, or the
genuine the facade falls offand people start to reveal who
they really are.
But, Gary, what do you do whenyou feel like you're under
attack spiritually?
Gary Zane (45:49):
Oh, I have to pray Again.
The self-sacrifice is hardsometimes, but again, by
refocusing, by spending time inthe presence of God, I know the
difference when I hit that,spent quality time with my
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father.
It comes out, gary comes out,and it is often not real pretty,
but you know it's never toolate.
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I can say the wrong thing and Ican humble myself immediately
and say I'm sorry, that wasuncalled for, that wasn't the
right thing.
Please forgive me.
It's okay.
Brokenness is a lot better thandefending yourself and I can
get my way out of it.
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But it's a lot nicer to seewhen, having spent time in the
presence of God, that he hassomething ready for those
challenges.
He already knows what I'm goingto face and he's kind of sneaky
.
A lot of times he won't tell meahead of time, by the way, this
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is going to happen.
Be ready.
No, he doesn't do it.
It's not fair.
I really wish he would itdoesn't work that way.
No, it doesn't does it.
And you know, sometimes I do.
You know whether we talkedabout it or not.
I felt like I knew.
You know what we're going totalk and there are times like
that when I have the rightanswer.
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And who was it?
Either Jesus or Paul said youdon't have to pre-prepare, he
will give you what to say.
At that same hour, I thinkJesus said when you go to court
and are tried and before thejudge that could have your head
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cut off, don't worry about it.
You'll have the right thing tosay, whether or not you die
Right.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (48:06):
Yeah, that's the part people forget.
Well, I'll have the right thingto say, so I get out of it.
No maybe not, maybe not.
It may not work out that way.
It's been a great, greatconversation with you, thanks
for inviting me.
I appreciate you sharing so muchand understanding so much with
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the people you interact with.
It's great having you in thenetworking group, but it's just
great knowing you.
Thank you, dewey, but I'd liketo let the viewers, the
listeners on podcasts, know howdo they find you, gary?
What's the best way to look you?
Gary Zane (48:49):
up.
You know I really don'tadvertise much.
I do have an ad on Craigslist.
I took my website down becauseI was getting calls from
California.
I don't have the Facebook, myComputer Guy page anymore
because I was getting nothingbut trash.
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I could say can I get my phone?
Dr DeWayne Baugus (49:13):
number Absolutely 918-381-6608.
Gary Zane (49:19):
I am a native Tulsa yes, one of the few left that
was born and raised here.
I know my way around.
I always go to my clients, evenif they have just an iPad, I
will always go to them.
That is a plus that I find thatyou don't have to pack up a
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computer and bring it to me.
But maybe not the email, butPhone number's good, if that's
all we want Phone number's good,If you got that 918-381-6608.
Like I said, I've been doingthis 40 years.
I have been self-employed, asolopreneur, right here in Tulsa
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for 20 years.
By the grace of God, I lovewhat I'm doing and I could
probably also say I only charge$80 an hour.
I don't charge for travel timeunless it's outside of the Tulsa
area, very far out.
Everything's within 30 minutes.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (50:20):
It's quick here, just about yeah, is there
anything you don't work on asfar as computers?
Gary Zane (50:25):
Well, yeah, macs, I really don't do many Macs.
I don't care for the Macoperating system just because
Windows is business class.
And even though I take care ofindividuals, the bulk of my
clientele are little old ladiesthat are afraid of their
computers.
They love me, make cookies forme.
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I am not kidding.
They hug my neck because Itreat them like human beings and
not like underlings.
People aren't supposed to knowabout computers.
That's why they call me.
I just meet needs and make iteasy for them.
But business, small business ismy real forte.
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I understand small businessowners, I take care of folks,
but if anything else, if you gota question, call me.
I can answer a lot of thingsover the phone which I do not
charge for, but I don't remotein.
I am built to be in front ofpeople and be happy to take care
of needs Wonderful.
(51:29):
Well thank you again.
Thank you, Dwayne.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (51:32):
Yeah, if anybody has any questions about
Gary, if you need to get intouch with him if the number you
didn't catch it, you can alwaysleave us a question in the
comments.
I'll get in touch with him.
I'll put you in touch with him.
We'll link you guys up.
We'll get Gary in front of you.
If it's a computer need, he'sgot an answer for you.
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So I hope you've enjoyed us andI look forward to the next show
.
Take care everybody.
Thank you for joining us today on Balancing
Life and Medicine.
I'm Dr DeWayne Baugus.
My guest is Gary Zane.
He's the computer guy.
We're going to be diving intowhat he does, his faith, his
understanding, his interactionswith all those in the community
and how he wants to be able tohelp you.
So enjoy our conversation andI'll look forward to your
(00:21):
comments.
Welcome to Balancing Life inMedicine.
I'm Dr DeWayne Baugus.
I'm joined today with Gary Zane, also known as my Computer Guy.
He knows just about everythingthat you can imagine about
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computers and all the thingsthat computers have changed,
upgraded and turned into overthe last few years.
So we're going to dive intowho's Gary, who's this guy
working on my computer, who'sthe one keeping my business
going and what really makes Garytick as far as his faith and
how he works with others whenthey're asking for his help.
(01:04):
Thanks for joining me, gary.
Thank you, yeah, it's greatthat you're here.
I've got to know you over ournetworking group.
Gary Zane (01:10):
Yes, spark, spark.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (01:13):
Yeah, it's a fun one.
And you're the IT guy, you'rethe IT guru, you're the one that
we always call on wheneversomething's wrong with our
presentations and you're like,yeah, you guys will fix it.
You guys, I love to watch youmake us figure it out.
But I also know that you've gotyour way of doing things and
(01:35):
you do things with a lot ofwisdom and I've always liked
that when we've interacted.
So tell me what?
Who's Gary?
I mean, you use every platformthat you can when interacting
with people to shareencouragement and hope.
I just hear that in your voice.
When did you start the myComputer Guy?
(01:56):
Where did you get into this?
Gary Zane (01:58):
Forty years ago my older brother gave me a
Commodore 64 for a weddingpresent and I understood
immediately that somethingclicked on the inside of me.
It just made sense, and veryfew other people that I ever
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talked to understood that oreven cared about it at all.
But it was just a desire and awillingness to learn.
No, a desire to learn, and I'vebeen doing stuff like that ever
since.
I really didn't know beforethat, I guess you could say.
(02:45):
Really it got started when Itook typing class in high school
because I wanted to be aroundthe girls and get dates which
worked, by the way, oh yeah.
And I did get up to 55 words aminute on a manual typewriter.
Come on, that's the hammerright?
Yeah, 55 words a minute for aguy, that's pretty good.
(03:07):
But that helped a lot, becauseevery job that I had after that
the boss would always say hey,gary knows how to type, put him
on the computer.
And so I learned data entry, asthey called it back then, and,
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like I said, it just clicked andI understood it and I picked it
up, probably years after I wasborn again, that it was a
leading from God, because myresume, by all rights, looks
(03:51):
like a shotgun blast, except Irealized that everything that I
have done has led up to who I amtoday.
The 20 years of warehousing,the 20 years of sales, the 20
years of business understandingall overlapping of course,
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because I'm only 73, I'm reallynot 145, that everything just
kind of built into me how totreat people and again, I was
rather sociopathic until a fewyears after I was born again,
(04:37):
and then I got this weirdlikability for these human
beings that I really didn't havebefore, for these human beings
that I really didn't have before.
Again, everything that I havedone all of my life led up to
who I am.
And I tell people I'm not acomputer guy, I am a people
person that happens to knowabout computers and that is the
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window to get in front of peopleand meet needs.
I feel like a bartender.
Sometimes People just startregurgitating all of their
problems.
You know, because it's theSpirit of God in me that draws
those things out so that I knowhow to meet those needs.
(05:22):
And so you ask questions, youlearn about people, you ask
things about them.
You look at things on theirwalls and pictures of the
grandkids and the cats and theold houses and you find out
where the connection is so thatyou can present the Lord Jesus
Christ, mm-hmm.
(05:42):
And when I picked up thatcomputer it just started to go
along and build other things.
I got really good at computers,got out of corporate by demand.
I was working down in SouthTexas, came back home in 05 and
(06:04):
tried to find a job because Ineeded a paycheck and people
either wanted to pay me $10 anhour or said that I was
overqualified.
So I just got too busy workingon other people's computers to
go look for a job.
And it's been like that for 20years.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (06:22):
Self-employed solopreneur.
Gary Zane (06:23):
I love it.
Wow, you never know how theSelf-employed Solopreneur.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (06:25):
I love it.
Wow, you never know how theLord's going to send someone
into your life like a computerguy or a plumber.
He has people everywhere thathe is just using to get to
people.
Gary Zane (06:42):
I heard the great term is that we are to
infiltrate, we sneak in.
He sneaks us in unknowing.
I mean if someone opened thedoor and says, okay, I'm here to
preach the gospel, you know 90%of the people would just run
out the back door.
So he sneaks you in.
You go hey, how you doing.
(07:03):
Aha, the hook.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (07:06):
Well, because he's a real God and we're real
people and he uses real people,real stories, right, instead of
just slapping them in the facewith this is the gospel.
You know, I think it'sinteresting how many times I've
had people come over to thehouse and minister to me, or
even here in the clinic.
(07:27):
New patients come in, and manytimes they're here because, well
, there's a pain or something'swrong, when in fact they've got
a beautiful message.
So he sneaks them in here too.
Gary, they're everywhere,they're spies, right.
But it's a beautiful thingbecause it's the last people
that you may think would have abeautiful message or plant hope
(07:49):
in your pocket.
You let them get close and allof a sudden, there it is and
you're like, well, how did thatguy turn my day?
Gary Zane (07:57):
around.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (07:58):
You know it's a beautiful thing and I think
we all have a role to playsomewhere, absolutely.
And finding your role, I think,isit seems like the hardest
part, but it's also the blessedpart.
Some people search for theiridentity, they search for who
they're supposed to be and theyforce it.
(08:18):
And many of us find that theLord has been choreographing and
planning the whole time.
You're 20 years and 20 yearsand you know all those years
that he was putting layers ofyour understanding together with
you, thinking you're doing yourown thing and he's going yeah,
I'm filling you up.
(08:39):
I got this layer of business andthis layer of corporate
distaste and understanding andwe got all these kind of
different layers.
And I think that's probably oneof the things that really
shines in you the most.
When I get to interact with youat the networking group, but
seeing you interact with others,there's always a message and
you're right, you're not thecomputer guy, you're Gary.
(09:01):
Right, and you're real.
And there's no facade, there'sno sales pitch.
Right, and you're real.
And there's no facade, there'sno sales pitch yeah.
It's just, this is how you'regoing to get blessed, and I'm
going to give it to you today.
Gary Zane (09:08):
I don't really care, yeah.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (09:10):
So you're in a corner and I'm not letting you
go anywhere until how's yourcomputer, How's God?
Bless you today.
Gary Zane (09:15):
Let's get into it.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (09:19):
Yeah, you know there, but it's fun to see
you interact.
And you're right, there's somepeople who are trying but
they're not quite there with themessage.
But they're waiting for amessage.
They want to receive something.
Gary Zane (09:34):
They really do People .
We are a needy lot, we humans.
Yes, oh man, and you know a lotof people get born again and
they think all their needs aremet and everything is just.
We came to Jesus with needs andwe are still a needy bunch of
(09:55):
Jesus freaks.
I have needs and until youadmit that, you're still going
to stay a mess.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (10:03):
It's a daily thing isn't it, it is, yeah, I
know.
For me personally, it's a dailything.
It's like I wake up and I haveto give thanks and I focus
everything, hoping and praying.
Lord, be with me.
Lord, guide me, guide my mind,guide my mouth, my words.
God, I'm a mess.
(10:24):
Can you just go ahead and fixit all and make it better?
And that's just not going tohappen.
And it doesn't.
Justthings are just magicallygiven to you.
I think the world is made totear us away from the Father.
It's made to distract us, getus caught in emotions, get us
flustered with a computer notworking, get us flustered with a
system.
(10:44):
Whatever the case is, For meit's when people's body doesn't
work right.
They're frustrated.
Gary Zane (10:52):
God hates me Like?
Absolutely not.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (10:55):
Remember every breath is a gift and it's
going to get better.
It will get better.
I try to encourage them whileI'm sticking them with needles.
It doesn't always come acrosslike a great message, but they
can't go anywhere after I stickthem, so I just minister to them
then too.
Gary Zane (11:12):
Yeah.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (11:14):
But you get to go into people's homes.
Yes, it's a personal thing.
Gary Zane (11:19):
Yes, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, perfectly put.
It's a choreography that you orI could not possibly plan it.
Yes, he puts us in exactly theright place at exactly the right
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time, with exactly the rightpeople, with exactly the right
message, and they go.
How did you know that?
I love hearing that.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (11:56):
Oh my gosh, Gary, thank you so much for
saying that I go what?
Yeah, I needed to hear thattoday.
Gary Zane (12:00):
Yeah.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (12:00):
Or here's the third one today to say or yeah,
yeah, it's wonderful to see,because we're witnesses too,
we're going we're encouragedyeah.
We're growing with eachinteraction that we have and I
find that I get a problem, gary,I stumble and I try to add my
own story.
I try to give a little bit morethan Embellishment.
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Yeah, Well, you know what else Iknow.
You know the ego takes, butwhen it comes down to it, I'm
learning to say less and listenmore, because people do talk and
I get a little bit of thepersonal life.
I get a lot.
Sometimes I get more than whatI want to know.
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As far as a patient coming in,they'll, they'll, they'll
overshare or they think it'sit's something I need to know,
and many times it's not reallyoversharing, it's they're
opening their heart up and andletting me see who they are.
But you're walking into theirbook.
When you're walking there, likeyou said mentioned earlier,
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there's pictures, there'sbookshelves, there's their
design of what they see in theirlife as being what they want,
what they're comfortable with,and when you step into that,
they're very vulnerable.
I mean, this day and age, youdon't just let crazy.
You know all kinds of peoplewalk in, right?
You're trying to filter.
You're trying to say, well, I'mjust not going to let anybody
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in.
So there's the Holy Spirit inwith that key, that ticket for
Gary to walk into someone'sprivate dwelling, their
sanctuary, and do you have toever force a situation or a
conversation?
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Or do those conversations justopen up when people start to,
when you're working.
I imagine Gary up underneath adesk and wires everywhere, and I
don't know You're going to getto work on our services here
soon, but I try to imagine, likeyou know, what's Gary look like
.
You see his two feet out fromunderneath the desk and
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someone's talking, you know, andyou're underneath responding.
What is that?
Gary Zane (14:13):
Dwayne, I have also learned I can try to push the
conversation to bring things outof people and a lot of times I
never get a chance to sayanything and they are still
upset people and I just taketheir money and that's okay.
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You know, I'll bet you Jesusdidn't perform a miracle every
single day.
The, the 12 so-called apostles,the first guys, philip,
disappeared after a while.
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You never knew what happened,but that area what I've heard
exploded with the church and younever hear anything about
three-fourths of those guys.
You don't have to.
God will use you at the righttime and sometimes I do get
bored.
Oh, you know, I must be done.
I'm not ever talking to anyoneand then all of a sudden, you
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know, someone will give me a hugand say, man, you just really
made my day.
And I go really, what did I do?
You know I said that, well,I'll be.
You know, I guess God is stillusing me, right, you never can
tell.
Just, we would talk to a minuteago, before we started, about
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the sacrifice, abraham puttingIsaac on that, and God needed to
know that he was willing.
Isaiah 119, if you are willingand obedient you will eat the
good of the land, but if youresist and rebel, you will be
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devoured by the sword.
He didn't say I'll kill you.
It'll happen naturally, or elseit can happen supernaturally.
It's up to us.
And I have to put myself onthat altar daily because I don't
want to.
I'd just as soon be holed up inmy little condo in my sweats,
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watching TV all day, every day.
And I tried that.
March 1st 2020, locked down, Isaid, oh man, this is great, I'm
kicking up.
I got lots of time.
I can't go out.
Therefore, I don't.
And after a week, I'm going.
I'm bored.
I need to see some human beings, because he needs to go see
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people, and you're the vehicle.
You get hungry for it.
Exactly, yeah.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (16:56):
Well, yeah, perfectly yeah.
Yeah, we get hungry for that.
I know it happens exactly thesame here when I come in.
I haven't slept very well, Ifeel like I'm off, you know, and
talking to the Lord the wholeday, going, please strengthen me
.
And my wife turns on thecomputer and it doesn't do what
it's supposed to and I heareverything because it's quiet
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when I'm getting the clinic setup and the first thing in the
morning and I hear, and I hearhuffing and puffing and then
there's a cabinet door that is alittle bit louder than it
usually would be when it'sgetting shut and I'm thinking
this is going to be a day, thisis going to be one of those days
.
How can we turn this day around?
How do I get out of the way andlet the Lord— how do I get the
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old man to stop feeling likehe's doing something and just
relax, because I know the Lord'sgot it?
As soon as a patient comes inand they start to minister to me
and I'm going, all right,that's prayers answered and
they're full of blessings andthey're supportive and they're
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encouraging the patients whenthey come in.
Usually it's a day of.
If it's one of those days towhere, man, I'm feeling good,
like I'm energized, let's helppeople, let's get them turned
around right.
The worst patients ever come inthe door.
I mean, they're dragging a leg.
They've got massive migrainesfor days, you know, and I'm like
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, yeah, it's an uphill battle,but the days when it's
flip-flopped, he encourages, hesupports, he sends support.
And I wonder about thoseapostles.
You know how many of them justwalked by and planted the seed.
They didn't dig into a deepconversation.
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In fact, there was probablymore words spoken without a
mouth being opened.
Just by how they looked, howthe Lord'show, the Holy Spirit,
shines on you.
I wonder how much of an impactthat has on people, because we
don't know.
We don't know that perspective.
Well, have you ever faced aconflict with a customer?
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Have you ever been challenged?
Gary Zane (19:16):
Oh, no, never.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (19:20):
What happens when that challenge does happen?
How do you respond?
Are you humble or what do youdo?
Gary Zane (19:35):
That's a day-by-day struggle, isn't it?
Yeah, you know, I'm justthinking.
We've been talking about somethings and a lot of new
believers think, oh, the old manis dead.
Now I don't have to worry aboutthe flesh anymore and I'm a
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brand new creation.
I'll never have to deal withsin and those old.
No, we still have the same soul, mind, emotions.
We still have those samechallenges and some days, dwayne
, I blow it royally and it'slike I'll walk out going.
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You're supposed to almost intears myself seeing what he has
done through me, because I wasan open and committed vessel.
It is a daily, weekly, hourly,sometimes momentarily struggle
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that I often have to deal with.
I'm the guy that gets behindsomeone and honks and I'm the
guy that gets impatient at linesin Walmart.
Nevertheless, a lot of timeswhen I am with a client and
working with something, I hearvery strangely oh my gosh, gary,
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you are so patient and I'mgoing.
Are you talking to me?
I am not patient at all.
I am the most impatient peoplethat I know.
But when I'm in front of thatsituation, I mean I can't just
get up and say, oh, I'm tired ofthis, I can't do it, I don't
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want to anymore.
See you later.
Later That'll be $80.
No, it's like there has to be afix for this and there are
still times that I don't fix it.
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I do not know everything aboutcomputers.
I say software and networking,but God knows everything and the
times.
There have been a lot of timesthat it was like hit control
panel, hit hardware.
Now hit that and they go.
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It fixed it and they go.
How did you do that?
I go.
I don't know.
But it's often an opportunityto say the Holy Spirit inside of
me knows computers.
All I have to do is listen.
They go what, what do you mean?
So I get an opportunity.
That's amazing.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (22:45):
Because that's how it works Often, not
always.
Often yeah, that's like me,works Often, not always.
Often.
Yeah, that's like me everboasting that I know everything
about the body.
I mean, I got a needle for itbut it doesn't mean it's going
to fix it.
So I've got a strategy, but itmay not work, and being able to
just be truthful in that regardsays wonders, doesn't it?
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Like you're admitting, I can'tdo it all, so I have to rely on
the Lord.
I think that that speaksvolumes.
Gary Zane (23:18):
Way too often I walk in after someone has been fed up
with some quote-unquote ITperson that talked down to them
and told them what they had todo with their computers and
their money.
And oh no, I am a broken,humble person and all I have is
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suggestions.
This is their computer, theirmoney.
I am their servant, theiremployee.
When I walk in, they are theboss.
I am not and I can makesuggestions on what they might
be able to do in the future.
But I listen and find out whatthey want to do and they want me
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to do, and if they have anyquestions they can always ask me
and most of the time when theyunderstand that, I walk out
successful.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (24:21):
There it is.
Now tell me, how does Garyunwind?
You're not always on a computer.
Oh well, all too often, as Iknow, you've got that beautiful
car and you've already expressedhow much time you spend with
that, that baby, my computer onwheels, my ipad.
Gary Zane (24:41):
I have a 10 year old tesla model s that it still runs
like it's brand new.
I love that thing and it is atech device and I know I like
tech and so that really fits mevery well To unwind, you know
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different things.
A lot of times, just like Isaid, I can sit down in front of
the TV and just have a goodtime vegging out just mindless
stuff.
I really don't read near asmuch as I have in years past
because I am all too oftenreading technical stuff on the
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computer often reading technicalstuff on the computer and all
of a sudden I look up and it'slunchtime and I haven't got up
for three hours and so I oftenneed to just rest my eyes.
A lot of times I do like to getin that car and go for a drive
because it costs me almostnothing to drive that car and it
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goes really fast, reallysmoothly, very quietly and just
going for drives.
And Oklahoma in the summertimeis really gorgeous.
There are lots of little hillsand the cattle out in pasture
and I have a good time lookingat things yards or miles away.
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Often I like to be aroundfriends and, just again, just
talking, listening to theirstories and doing things,
different things.
I really don't go to church alot.
Actually, I've again become aSunday Christian just because at
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the bridge, where I go to 121stMemorial, our Wednesday nights
have become kind of a familynight and, being an older single
guy, I don't really feel like Ifit in.
I don't really feel like I fitin and besides, it could take me
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a half an hour to get from myhouse at 11th and Garnett to
121st Memorial on 169 and not bea statistic.
So I would just rather stay offthe streets in busy times so
doing different things, to relax.
But I do that.
I have learned that I wentabout 10 years without ever
taking a vacation and the firsttime I did I went oh my gosh,
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that's what they mean by restingand also meditating.
Hebrews chapters 3 and 4 on therest and how invigorating it is
.
You know he was pretty smart insaying that we need a day off,
whatever day that you choose.
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Often mine is a Saturday,sometimes a Sunday, but a day
off is really invigorating andempowering and so I make sure
that I do have some time off tobuild back up, recharge,
energize and then get back towork.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (28:09):
I think it's essential we have to do that.
We have to disconnect.
Gary Zane (28:12):
Oh, you really know that, don't you?
Dr DeWayne Baugus (28:14):
Yeah, I do.
That's what people come herefor.
Gary Zane (28:16):
Yeah, because they haven't.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (28:19):
Yeah, they either don't know how to
disconnect or they can't relax.
And in today's world we have alot of individuals who are
emotionally charged with lots ofworry, lots of anxiety, fear,
depression, all those things,and they're working.
And many times they're workingto disassociate, they're getting
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away from themselves andthey're focusing on other things
and when it comes time for themto rest, at the end of the day
they can't because theiremotions slap.
They're there again.
It's like, well, I spent allday trying to get away from me
and that's why I go to work andI'm trying to make money, and
now I can't rest at home.
So we start to find this problemwith insomnia, this
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overthinking, and then we startto see individuals that they
become workaholics.
Right, because every time I gohome I'm waiting.
So what I'll find is peopletoday will come in and they're
like I just turn it all off.
That's usually what they'll sayLiterally turn it off.
Could you just make it stop?
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Just turn it all off and like,yeah, happy to do so.
That's easy, we can do that.
But at the same time, you know,I'm interrogating them.
Gary Zane (29:34):
What are you running?
Dr DeWayne Baugus (29:34):
from what's what's on your mind?
What's all the fear, what's theworry, when are your thoughts
going?
Because they can't get in thecar and drive without
self-hypnotizing anddisconnecting.
Gary Zane (29:51):
Yeah.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (29:51):
You know a lot of people.
They do a level ofself-hypnosis when they get on
the road.
Did you know that we see it allthe time.
If you get on the road you'regetting ready to go to work or
you're going to your localrestaurants.
You always go to and you getthere and you're like man, I
don't even remember the firstthree lights.
I know I drove through themwhen I left.
That that's a self-hypnosis.
Gary Zane (30:12):
Oh, that's what I've been doing.
You've been disconnecting.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (30:15):
You're disconnecting and you're just
like on autopilot.
Gary Zane (30:18):
Yeah, and you're just like on autopilot, unless
someone gets in front of you andyou've got to honk your horn.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (30:22):
I know that takes a little energy, but it
brings you back to a groundedreality.
The idea is, how do we staypresent and aware and at peace
with the Lord, with the HolySpirit that's there giving us
that?
Because we can't get it anyother way, we try to fake it
right we coffee, we sugar, weall kinds of things and a lot of
people don't know how todisconnect.
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They come in and that's where Iget to do my work is turn their
brain off.
Gary Zane (30:51):
And I think you're one of the few believers that
understand we need to ministerto the whole man spirit, soul
and body.
I've been reading a book calledhe Healed them All by Barry
Bennett.
On our Tuesday night men'sBible study with a bunch of
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godly men that are just anamazing bunch.
I look forward to that everyweek and in that book we learned
that the whole man needs to beright to keep us from getting
sick and having malfunction.
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Now that's what you are herefor and you are probably one of
the few people in all threeareas that you take care of all
the whole man.
Some people are justchiropractors, some people are
just ministers and some peopleare acupuncturists, but you know
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spirit, soul and body and toomany believers don't know to
take care of that.
We overeat, we eat wrong, weoverwork, under sleep because we
think we're supposed to staybusy for Jesus and he's saying
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shut up.
You know, he said it is finished.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (32:21):
So he meant that why are you trying to do
more?
Why are we trying to add to?
That's a delicate walk, isn'tit?
Because we have this feelinglike we're supposed to be doing
something more, and I think thatthat's the world we grew up in.
Is you got to do something toget something that's ingrained
in us, isn't it?
So it has been a difficult oneThank you for noticing that,
gary.
To hit all those three areasand to get people to understand
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how important they are.
And now you know, it's beenover a decade and I'm getting to
the wonder.
I'm like Lord, is there ashortcut?
Can I just stab them and theyget it?
You know, kind of like, can Ishish kebab all three of those
areas with one needle and bedone where everything just falls
?
But it doesn't work that way.
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It takes a daily sacrifice, ittakes a daily check-in.
I love your Tuesdays.
That's your refill plug, isn'tit?
Gary Zane (33:17):
It's one of them.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (33:18):
Yeah, so it's where you're getting the word
and you're you're gettingsupported and encouraged, and I
know we all have to do that.
Mine, mine's, thursday morningsUh, I get to get to meet with
that guy Thursday mornings, anda couple of others, and that's
my charge, in fact.
I look, I look forward to itevery week.
I don't look forward to thetime it's too early.
Gentlemen, if you're watching,change it.
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So, no, it's important to dothat and I think a lot of
patients come in and they startto look for that when they
develop a relationship with me.
We have patients that have beencoming for years and I think
that that's something that weall can grow in is being more
attuned to finding out wheresomeone is struggling, by
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listening and not directlyhitting the nail on the head,
but learning the wisdom to getencouragement to that area of
need.
Gary Zane (34:14):
To that area, that area.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (34:16):
It's difficult because I found with
treating patients, wheneverthere's something that they're
really that's eaten them andsometimes it eats them for years
it's long-term anxiety or it'slong-term trauma, or it's the
inability to let go and forgivethat translates as large
intestine issues, that'sdigestive issues.
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In other words, all these haverepercussions, all the emotional
components, and if you pointout what someone's weakness is,
they put a wall up immediately.
You can't do that.
Gary Zane (34:49):
So, it's.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (34:50):
The Lord can, but we can't, yeah, so finding
a way of encouraging withoutshutting down, I think, is it's
got to be something that comeswith wisdom.
I don't know or I don't know,but I know that that's a tricky
area when you're working withcustomers that are unsettled or
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aggravated.
Their livelihood is in yourhands with their computers.
Go ahead.
Gary Zane (35:24):
And we were talking about praying earlier, asking
Father for things, and Ephesians1.6 says that we have already
been blessed with every possiblephysical and spiritual blessing
.
Now, if you really think aboutit, years ago I heard this guy
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named Andrew Farley come to ourchurch and said you know anymore
?
My prayer is wow and thank you.
Because I start to ask forsomething and I go oh, yeah, you
already promised that and yeah,you have already given that.
Wow, Thank you.
And so a lot of times my prayertime is praise and thanksgiving
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and worship, because it's if Istart to ask for, for something,
then I'm really denying that.
He has already said you've gotit.
Take it.
The word receive means toprovided, and I feel like it's
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an insult to slap in my dad'sface to say would you heal me
please, Like Jesus wasn't enoughto take care of that.
No, I am healed, I have beenhealed and so, consequently,
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it's kind of worked.
A lot of people think that I'm50-something when I'm 73.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (37:08):
Yeah, you don't look the 73 part.
Gary Zane (37:11):
Well, a lot of that is Mediterranean too, but I
attribute it to the living Godinside of me, Absolutely.
Yeah, that's where it is insideof me, absolutely yeah, that's
where it is.
Yeah, yeah, so, and I can keepup with my Senator, dave Rader.
Yesterday we went walking forfour hours.
I put in five miles and almost100 degrees and I kept up with
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him and I'm able to take care ofthings when I need to.
And it is certainly the graceof God and that is what I've
been doing when I see people trydifferent businesses in a lot
of our networking groups that wego to and, oh my gosh, by the
grace of God, for 20 years Ihave made a living just playing
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with other people's computersand it's like this is nuts.
You know they call me and wantto pay me for playing around on
windows and looking on theinternet and it works and that's
finding that place.
Years ago, decades ago, I readthis book called Up your
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Parachute.
I think it was how to Find aJob, and one of the very first
things that I think Zig Ziglarused to iterate is find
something you love and do it.
And if you don't love whatyou're doing, then can I put
this abruptly get the hell outand let someone in there that
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wants to do it.
And you know, often I come upon people that are very unhappy
with their jobs, and sometimes Ican hint to them.
Maybe they should leave Ifthey're not happy.
Hint to them, maybe they shouldleave If they're not happy.
You know, they're not forced tobeing there.
United States of America, youcan do just about anything that
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you really want to if you setyour heart to it, and we have no
excuses around here.
You and I have done our littlepart to ensure our freedoms.
Thank you, dwayne.
Oh yeah, thank you, and no,there is no excuse, and I have
been very fortunate, but I stilllove what I do and I think
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about retiring and again, I gettired of not being around people
.
Yeah, and so I'm just going tokeep doing what I do and then
take a vacation once in a while.
I don't think retirement's anoption.
I don't think that's in Father'svocabulary.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (39:44):
I don't think so.
I don't think that there's a—Ithink that's a human, fleshly
idea, but I don't believe it's aspiritual one, because we're
eternal.
And I see more patients getsick and withdraw and lose their
life because they retired.
Gary Zane (40:01):
They made it, they quit.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (40:03):
And they quit and they stopped that human
interaction which we all need,and they start to fade.
I really appreciate what yousaid earlier the healing.
That's something that I get alot of conversations about in
here.
But that's something that I geta lot of conversations about in
here, you know, with patientsthat come in with cancer.
They've got organ systems,neurological, you know, and it's
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a big one Because you know, asmentioned in the very beginning,
there's some people maybe itwas before we got in front of
the camera there's some peoplethat like to play church, they
like to play Christian, but theyhave no relationship with the
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Lord Seek first the kingdomright.
Seek first, so seek the Lord,and all seek Him, and what we
see is there's the seek Himcrowd and then there's the
seeking byproducts ofChristianity.
Well, I'm seeking a healing,yeah.
Gary Zane (41:05):
I'm seeking this.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (41:07):
I'm looking for the prosperity.
You need to look for the Lord.
When you find Him, you knowHe'll lead your path.
But the wants of the crowd,what is it?
All those followers that followChrist, you know?
Then he dropped the bomb onthem.
If you want to follow, you know, pick up your cross, follow me.
Told them what they needed todo and all of them were like
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yeah, we're out, circus is over,no more miracles, whatever.
We're leaving because we don'twant to commit to being a
Christian.
They left.
There was thousands, multitudes, right.
And they just they went awaybecause he told them this is
what it takes.
But they were there for theshow, they were there for the
miracle.
They didn't really commit and Isee that with business owners
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that have the Holy Spiritguiding them, there's a plan for
them.
We mess up here and there, buthe's already.
That's part of the equation.
He knows what we're going to do.
He knows Gary's going to walkout and kick somebody's mailbox
Hopefully you don't.
It's just because I'll work onyour toe if it happens but you
get frustrated and that's Ithink he knows all these things.
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But there's another group ofbusiness owners that we're
surrounded by, like you said,the networking groups.
There's those who are out thereto see what they can get from
our community instead of seeingwhat the community needs them to
give.
I'm not going to go intoKennedy's speech.
Gary Zane (42:34):
Oh, exactly, I knew I could see it in your eyes.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (42:38):
But what can I do and what do I like to do,
if I was to let every patient ohgosh, we're putting Kenneth's
gonna publish this.
This is gonna go out to themasses.
But, like you said, you get toplay on computers.
I get to play darts all day.
Gary Zane (42:55):
It's fun, but it's helping people.
Yeah, it's ministering to peopleat the same time so you know,
in a way it's also kind ofunfair.
This is an unnatural let's saysupernatural life, especially,
if I could be bold enough to say, for an American male, because
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we are steeped in a culturalsociety says you work to get.
If you don't work, you don'teat.
And yes, that is a scripture.
But I mean, our dads werealways saying you got to get out
there and earn it.
And Saving Private Ryan, one ofhis last lines is saying earn
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this.
And Jesus says, no, you can'tearn it.
And it definitely is a fight tolive in this world.
And, yes, live in this world.
(44:03):
And yes, we need to earn aliving because you, you do get
respect by presenting yourselfas doing the right thing.
And at the same time, at fiveo'clock, if you want to call it
that you, you turn into aself-sacrifice.
And then, eight o'clock in themorning, you got to turn it back
on and start working.
And yes, it is supernatural butit is possible.
(44:26):
You can work hard and be abeliever.
You can worship Jesus andsacrifice and still serve that
nasty boss by being obedient andcommitted.
It is a struggle at times butit's doable, obviously.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (44:49):
It is.
I think we see people doing itall the time.
I can't imagine.
I've got uncles and familymembers that they worked at the
same plant for 35, 40 years, youknow.
They got up every day, terribleconditions and they just did
the same repetitious thing and Ithink, goodness, that had to be
a nightmare.
But they love that, thatrepetition.
(45:10):
But they also enjoy the payoff.
They enjoy the family time,they enjoy the vacations, they
enjoy the benefits of being agood worker, a good servant.
I don't know that everybodyenjoys that.
What they do every day and Ithink you can tell the genuine
(45:31):
part of people falls off whenthey get tired, you know, or the
genuine the facade falls offand people start to reveal who
they really are.
But, Gary, what do you do whenyou feel like you're under
attack spiritually?
Gary Zane (45:49):
Oh, I have to pray Again.
The self-sacrifice is hardsometimes, but again, by
refocusing, by spending time inthe presence of God, I know the
difference when I hit that,spent quality time with my
(46:14):
father.
It comes out, gary comes out,and it is often not real pretty,
but you know it's never toolate.
(46:34):
I can say the wrong thing and Ican humble myself immediately
and say I'm sorry, that wasuncalled for, that wasn't the
right thing.
Please forgive me.
It's okay.
Brokenness is a lot better thandefending yourself and I can
get my way out of it.
(46:55):
But it's a lot nicer to seewhen, having spent time in the
presence of God, that he hassomething ready for those
challenges.
He already knows what I'm goingto face and he's kind of sneaky
.
A lot of times he won't tell meahead of time, by the way, this
(47:17):
is going to happen.
Be ready.
No, he doesn't do it.
It's not fair.
I really wish he would itdoesn't work that way.
No, it doesn't does it.
And you know, sometimes I do.
You know whether we talkedabout it or not.
I felt like I knew.
You know what we're going totalk and there are times like
that when I have the rightanswer.
(47:38):
And who was it?
Either Jesus or Paul said youdon't have to pre-prepare, he
will give you what to say.
At that same hour, I thinkJesus said when you go to court
and are tried and before thejudge that could have your head
(47:59):
cut off, don't worry about it.
You'll have the right thing tosay, whether or not you die
Right.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (48:06):
Yeah, that's the part people forget.
Well, I'll have the right thingto say, so I get out of it.
No maybe not, maybe not.
It may not work out that way.
It's been a great, greatconversation with you, thanks
for inviting me.
I appreciate you sharing so muchand understanding so much with
(48:30):
the people you interact with.
It's great having you in thenetworking group, but it's just
great knowing you.
Thank you, dewey, but I'd liketo let the viewers, the
listeners on podcasts, know howdo they find you, gary?
What's the best way to look you?
Gary Zane (48:49):
up.
You know I really don'tadvertise much.
I do have an ad on Craigslist.
I took my website down becauseI was getting calls from
California.
I don't have the Facebook, myComputer Guy page anymore
because I was getting nothingbut trash.
(49:09):
I could say can I get my phone?
Dr DeWayne Baugus (49:13):
number Absolutely 918-381-6608.
Gary Zane (49:19):
I am a native Tulsa yes, one of the few left that
was born and raised here.
I know my way around.
I always go to my clients, evenif they have just an iPad, I
will always go to them.
That is a plus that I find thatyou don't have to pack up a
(49:40):
computer and bring it to me.
But maybe not the email, butPhone number's good, if that's
all we want Phone number's good,If you got that 918-381-6608.
Like I said, I've been doingthis 40 years.
I have been self-employed, asolopreneur, right here in Tulsa
(50:02):
for 20 years.
By the grace of God, I lovewhat I'm doing and I could
probably also say I only charge$80 an hour.
I don't charge for travel timeunless it's outside of the Tulsa
area, very far out.
Everything's within 30 minutes.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (50:20):
It's quick here, just about yeah, is there
anything you don't work on asfar as computers?
Gary Zane (50:25):
Well, yeah, macs, I really don't do many Macs.
I don't care for the Macoperating system just because
Windows is business class.
And even though I take care ofindividuals, the bulk of my
clientele are little old ladiesthat are afraid of their
computers.
They love me, make cookies forme.
(50:47):
I am not kidding.
They hug my neck because Itreat them like human beings and
not like underlings.
People aren't supposed to knowabout computers.
That's why they call me.
I just meet needs and make iteasy for them.
But business, small business ismy real forte.
(51:08):
I understand small businessowners, I take care of folks,
but if anything else, if you gota question, call me.
I can answer a lot of thingsover the phone which I do not
charge for, but I don't remotein.
I am built to be in front ofpeople and be happy to take care
of needs Wonderful.
(51:29):
Well thank you again.
Thank you, Dwayne.
Dr DeWayne Baugus (51:32):
Yeah, if anybody has any questions about
Gary, if you need to get intouch with him if the number you
didn't catch it, you can alwaysleave us a question in the
comments.
I'll get in touch with him.
I'll put you in touch with him.
We'll link you guys up.
We'll get Gary in front of you.
If it's a computer need, he'sgot an answer for you.
(51:52):
So I hope you've enjoyed us andI look forward to the next show
.
Take care everybody.
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