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Recorded November 11th, 2025

Two best friends, one primetime gut punch, and a pop pass into the record books. We open with Veterans Day gratitude and a whirlwind of weekend stories—from Buffalo bars pouring Labatt Blue to a chilly 5 a.m. swim run—before locking into the only thing that matters in November: who actually wins at the line of scrimmage.

We walk through Chargers vs Steelers with clear eyes. The safety that changed the quarterback’s clock. Third downs that evaporated. A defense that tackled clean, hit on time, and suffocated drives. Keenan Allen passes Antonio Gates as the Chargers’ all-time receptions leader on a smart, low-risk pop pass, while role players step up with timely breakups and heavy hits. One missed deep ball early could have tilted the night, but physical football and mistake-free series closed the door.

Then we zoom out. Coaching seats warm not just because of records, but because messages get old; even good programs need fresh voices. Win-now gambles on aging stars demand a Plan B that builds tomorrow’s core while the window is cracked today. The AFC looks wide open—Herbert is on pace for gaudy production despite missing elite tackles—while the NFC’s balance shines with the Rams and Seahawks lining up for a true measuring-stick game. And yes, the streaming wars matter: when ESPN vanishes from your grid, tradition breaks. We trade workarounds, laugh about surprise corporate cameos, and celebrate the rituals that make football feel like home, from suite-side anthem FaceTimes to a fantasy-league prank that finally wakes up the group chat.

Tap play for a grounded breakdown, some hard truths about roster building and coaching timelines, and a reminder that November football rewards teams that block, tackle, and think. If you enjoyed the ride, follow the show, share it with a friend, and drop a review—what’s your hottest Week 11 take?

Episode Transcript

Announcer (00:06):
Welcome to another episode of the Bald Guys on the
Bench podcast with your hostsGraham Cohen and Scott Wasco.

Scott (00:21):
What's up everyone, and welcome back to another episode
of the Bald Guys on the Bench.
It's Veterans Day.
Happy Veterans Day to everyoneout there.
Thanks for your service.
I'm here with my boy Graham.
What's going on over there inVegas, buddy?

Graham (00:36):
Ooh, what up, brother Scott?
It's a pleasure.
It's uh it ain't the desertright now, brother.
It's a little chilly out here,actually.
Surprisingly.

Scott (00:46):
Don't talk to me about cold, bro.
It's 36 degrees right now.
Ava has to go to swim practiceand have to be there at 5 a.m.

Graham (00:56):
Oof.

Scott (00:57):
She swims from 5 to 6:30 every morning.
Oof.
Snow flurries this morning.

Graham (01:02):
Oof.
It's outdoors?

Scott (01:04):
No, no, no, no.
It's indoors.
But on her way to practice,there were flurries.

Graham (01:11):
Oh, Scott, it's a pleasure.
Let's get into it.
Let's grab one and crack one.
Let's get it started.

Scott (01:16):
Let's do it.
Let's go.
Uh, before we even jump intoit, Mike Rosenberg, old friend
of mine, happy birthday.
Texted him earlier, and he'slike, dude, love the podcast.
Can you throw some New Yorklove in there?
Uh, no, we can't because you'rea Yankees fan and a Giants fan.
So, Rosie, sorry, but we willgive you a little birthday shout

(01:37):
out.
So, dude, I don't know if youever met Mike Rosenberg, and I
hope I'm gonna have to send himthis.
Dude, Rosenberg was a cook atSCGA.
Oh, wow.
And he was awesome.
And he made this amazingsandwich.
And the amazing sandwich wascalled the Red Sox Suck

(01:59):
Sandwich.
And when you ordered it, youhad to literally order it by the
can I get that red sock sucksandwich?
Dude, it was awesome.
Awesome.
So we'll have to send that outto Rosie.

Announcer (02:11):
That's hilarious.

Scott (02:12):
Yeah, dude.
Anyhow, uh, it's Tuesday night,you know, Veterans Day.
Uh, we watched that barn burnerof a Monday night football game
last night instead ofrecording.
But before we get intoanything, and before we get into
your weekend, uh show thepeople what they want to see,
Graham.
We had a little friendly wageron the on our team Sunday night,

(02:37):
and I'm pretty sure your teamlost, so take that shot.

Graham (02:42):
I thought the bet was null and void if the team
doesn't show up.
I mean, I don't think they gotoff the plane when they flew
into LAX.

Scott (02:52):
I mean I don't think they got onto it.

Graham (02:54):
Yeah.

Scott (02:55):
Jeez.

Graham (02:58):
But hey, I'm a man of my word and I'm just depressed.

Scott (03:01):
I don't have any liquor here to take a shot with you.
But facts.

Graham (03:05):
Facts.
But bet's a bet.
Cheers.

Scott (03:09):
You got it.
Was that any good?

Graham (03:14):
Actually, it was kind of tasty.

Scott (03:16):
Okay.
All right.
So, you know, before we evenget into anything, how was your
weekend?
What'd you do?
You know, what's going on inthe kitchen?

Graham (03:25):
What's going on in the kitchen?
Um weekend was good.
I had, well, you know, it'sfunny.
So, as you were, you said,happy birthday to your boy, one
of my boys, uh, my buddy, my oldroommate from uh when I caddied
in New York, my buddy fromBuffalo, today is actually his
birthday as well, 1111.
And he and his wife weresupposed to come out for this

(03:49):
weekend, right?
They were gonna come out for afew days.
They ended up uh no-showing,they canceled it last minute,
but he said uh one of theirother friends, him and his wife,
are coming out because like thewife was here for a conference.
She actually works for theSabres, which was pretty cool.
We were talking about that.
So they were in town.
I met up with them, hung out,went out a couple nights with

(04:10):
them, had a really good time.
We went to, I found, well, Iheard from a beer rep that
there's a bar in town that's aBuffalo Bills bar.
And the only reason I found outwas because I noticed that he
had a Labat Blue piece in his inlike his carry thing.
And I was just like, wait,wait, wait, wait, there's a bar

(04:31):
that sells Labat Blue, and he'slike, Yeah, yeah, it's this spot
over here.
And I'm like, Alright.
So when my when the my friendscame in town, like, hey, where
do you want to watch the game?
Like, I just figured we watchedit at the sports book.
He's like, nah, let's gosomewhere else.
And I was just like, there is aBuffalo Bills bar.
And when they when they heardthat, they were like, Well,
let's fucking go.
And let me tell you, it waspretty legit.
I mean, I I wouldn't, it wasn'ta dive bar.

(04:54):
I mean, it was smaller.
I mean, it was dive-esque perse, but let me tell you, every
person in there wearing a Billsjersey, every TV on was was on
the Bills.
Why are you giving me thatlook?

Scott (05:09):
Are you talking about the Bills and Chiefs game?
Wait, that was last week.
Yeah, that's why I'm giving youthat look.
Hold on a second.
If I remember correctly, theBills got boat raced by the
Dolphins.

Graham (05:21):
Okay, hold on, hold on.
Wow, I can't even get my weekstraight.
They were here for like a week.
I couldn't remember for whichweek it was.
All right, slap myself.
That was last week.
Oh, all right.

Scott (05:34):
Well sorry, sorry, folks.

Graham (05:36):
Well, I was still hanging out with them this
weekend, and then other thanthat, uh just watching some
college football games, and thenwhat happened happened with
Sunday football.
And, you know, well since mygame, our game wasn't on until
Sunday night, I didn't get upearly to watch the early games
where Pittsburgh usually starts.
You know, it's 10 o'clock forme, so I was like, you know

(05:58):
what?
I'll set it.
I'll get up for like the secondhalf of the first game.
And when I got up and I sawthose scores, I was like, yep,
I'm going back to sleep.
So that's how my weekend went.
How did yours go?

Scott (06:11):
Yeah, you were not a happy camper when you woke up on
Sunday.

Graham (06:16):
That's an understatement.

Scott (06:18):
Yeah, it is.
Oh, and as soon as you startedwhining and complaining about
losing your bets, I was justlike, Man, I hope Graham's day
gets worse and the Chargers beatthe Steelers.

Graham (06:29):
That's all I could think.
Sorry.

Scott (06:31):
Son of a bitch.
But anyhow, uh, I mean, I'm notgonna lie.
I mean, that's no, I knowsorry.

Announcer (06:38):
I had faith.

Scott (06:40):
Not enough, but anyhow, weekend, I mean, started
Thursday, Kellen's last JB game.
You know how that went?
First play of the game, dude.
Dude blocks him from behind,comes out of the game.
This is the last game of theyear, playing the worst team
they play, and everybody wasfired up.
I mean, they won 32 to nothing,and he asked the coach, coach,

(07:03):
you know, he's third stringrunning back.
If we get up, can I get somecarries?
And the coach is like, ofcourse.
And he was so fired up forthat.
And first play the game, dude.
And if that kid's if that whenit happened, I thought he broke
his arm.
Yeah.
I mean, like I told you, theway he ran off the field, I was
like, oh.
But one play, that was it.

(07:25):
But you know, last year, lastgame of the year, concussion
didn't get to play.
So, anyhow, that's how Thursdaynight went.
Then, you know, your boy wentto go get an oil change same
day, and more bad news.
Thanks for playing.
My car holding the radiator,leaking, cooling all.

(07:46):
I'm like, oh man.
So then had a decision, butmade the decision.
New whip, can't wait.
Got it yesterday.
You saw it, stoked on it.
Uh, but that was my weekend.
I mean, got a little fired upabout UNC basketball, dude,
playing Kansas Friday night.
I had to buy the package fromSling again.

(08:07):
Thanks, YouTube TV.
Another F U to U.
Dude, Carolina's getting smokedand in the first half, down
nine, and then win by like 15.
And this Caleb Wilson freshman,dude, guy's insane.
Not even gonna get into thatyet.
Still a little early forcollege basketball, but the dude
is first rook, first freshmanin Carolina history to have his

(08:31):
first two games with 20 pluspoints.
Wow.
There's been some players.
Yeah, a few.
Yeah, exactly.
But uh, other than that, watcha little college football, dude.
Watch Penn State and Indianagame, Jiminy Crickets, that
catch at the end.
Like, are you kidding me rightnow?
Wow.

(08:52):
Wow, is all you can say.
And give props to Penn State,dude.
They played.

Graham (08:58):
Yeah.

Scott (08:58):
They played hard.

Graham (08:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Thanks.
I don't bet you the last threeweeks and you get blown out,
then the one week I do bet you,you lose.

Scott (09:12):
Shit.
I mean, if it wasn't for aboutthat much, and we're talking
about that much, I mean, a froghair, they win that game.
What else happened over theweekend?
Oh, something we both are gonnasmack ourselves in the face
for.

Graham (09:27):
Okay.

Scott (09:28):
Last week when we were talking Dodgers and pitchers and
everything, oh, yeah.
We totally forgot the bulldog.
And that is aka Oral Herscher.
Yeah.
Dude, how did we forget that?
Especially I'm gonna I'm gonnafall on the sword more than you.
Yeah.
Okay.
Because one of my best friends,Johnny, that you've met, uh not

(09:54):
only was he teammates with OralHerscher at Bowling Green, they
were roommates.

Graham (09:59):
That's insane.

Scott (10:03):
Like, uh I don't know how I forgot that.
So I'll lead the charge herewith the smack.
One, two, three.
You're welcome.
I mean, I'm sorry, world.
What anyhow, uh, what else,dude?
What else before we just jumpright in?
What else stands out in collegefootball?

Graham (10:26):
I um uh trying to think.
There wasn't there wasn'treally any upsets.
I mean, the teams you thoughtwell, I mean, Miami, but that
was the previous week.
Yeah.
Uh, you know, it's just it iswhat it is.
Like, look, it's getting downto the nitty-gritty.
Like, we're already in thesecond week of November already,
pretty much, or this weekendcoming up.

(10:48):
So, how many, what is there,how many more games left before
conference championships?

Scott (10:53):
Well, two Michigan always plays Ohio State Thanksgiving
weekend.
Yeah, so two more weeks.
And then the week after that,yeah.
We got yeah, it's time.
It's crazy.
Speaking of crazy, my boy,coach Bobby Wilder.
Let's go.
Number five in the country inthe F whatever, FCS.

(11:14):
Okay, 10 and oh.
Guess where they play thisweekend.
Have I told you this?

Graham (11:21):
Oh, yeah, they yeah, they play at Kentucky, right?

Scott (11:26):
Where the shit did that come from, coach?
Right?
Whatever.
Have fun, good luck.
They're gonna win.
I can't find the line, moneyline.
Because I'm gonna put somemoney on it.
Yeah, I mean, Kentucky justboat raced Florida too last
week.
I'm like, oh my god.
Not that Florida's worth twoshits, but it's Florida.

(11:50):
It's SCC, it's the SECfootball, you know.

Graham (11:52):
Hey, that just makes that moneyline bet a little
juicier.

Scott (11:58):
Right?
God.
So uh Kellen and I, and my dadand Kellen's little girl, we're
going to see the old dominiongame on Thursday night.
They're actually on ESPN.
For those of you that don'thave YouTube TV, you can
probably watch it if you do.
Get Sling $4.99.
I'm just wearing out Sling$4.99.
Thank God for the YouTube $20credit that they make you

(12:21):
fucking work for.
I mean, right on cue.
I mean, thanks, YouTube TV.
Let's don't just crediteverybody that pays you.
That would be, you know, thenormal thing to do.
Let's make you go work for itand go on your you know, login
information.

Graham (12:39):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, the best part, I wastelling you earlier, uh, before
we started, I love how lastnight for Monday night football,
so you know how they have themain broadcast on ESPN on ESPN
too.
There, it's the Manning Cast.
Manning cast usually has fourguests.

(13:00):
Oh, who was one of the fourguests that I told you about
that was on Monday NightFootball with them?
I forgot who you told me.
Uh how about Bob Iger, who'sthe president of Disney.
That's right.
Hey Bob, what the bleep are youdoing here?

Scott (13:17):
You know, Kristen said something today and it made me
think.

Graham (13:21):
Oh, let's hear this.

Scott (13:23):
So we all know that Disney, Hulu and ESPN are all
and ABC are together, right?

Graham (13:32):
Yeah.

Scott (13:33):
YouTube TV with this ESPN contract war is losing
subscribers, and they're allgoing to what?
Hulu.
Hulu TV.

Graham (13:45):
Yeah, but the thing is that the people that watch
football still have to getSunday ticket.

Scott (13:55):
You do not have to be subscribed to use.

Graham (13:57):
No, you don't, but yes, I know, but it's cheaper.
It's significantly cheaper, butalso so what?
They're just not good.
I mean, there's nothing thatanyone can do now about it.
So are they just the like youcan't not have ESP?

Scott (14:12):
I mean, I just that's yeah, uh I know.
I uh we're we're two weeks intothis.
We've missed two Saturdays ofcollege football, two Mondays,
Monday night football.

Graham (14:27):
And besides, you Hulu TV is not as good as YouTube TV
anyway.
You can't multicast, you can'tI mean, uh Yeah, I know.

Scott (14:37):
I love dude, I was the biggest hater, not hater, but I
just had second thoughts aboutgoing to YouTube TV, and then
Billy gave it to me, hispassword and shit when we moved,
and I could actually watch whenwe the first night we moved in
the house, and I was like, dude,this is awesome.

(14:58):
Not only that, I can watch it,and you told me way before.
I know I'm not watching it.
Okay, thank you.
I'm like, I've been no, no, no,no, I'm not.
But then I'm like, holy shit, Ican watch it on my phone, I can
watch it on my iPad.
Oh, I have a TV in my office atwork, I can put it on my TV in
my office.

Graham (15:16):
Bingo.

Scott (15:18):
And then they take it away from me.
You know, I watch college gameday on Saturday mornings when
I'm at work.
I might watch, no, that'sbackground noise, but I love
McAfee and the field goal kickand shit.
Yeah.
So the first weekend didn't doit.
Last weekend, I bought thesling thing for 24 hours.

(15:41):
Thank God to watch the Carolinagame, and then I was like, oh
shit, I can log in here at workand watch this.
But dude, it's like, come on,man, for sports nerds like me
and you and the rest of the goddang world.

Graham (15:54):
You've already spent the $20 credit already.
100%.

Scott (15:58):
100%.
And before we even startedtonight, you know, I sent you
something on Instagram about theNFL thing for Monday Night
Football last night.
Somebody posted, and I wasskeptical, and then I started
reading the comments, andeverybody's like, it worked, it
worked, it worked.
So I'll throw that out there onInstagram on our on our page.
Just, I mean, yeah, wonderpeople watching games.

Graham (16:22):
Yeah.

Scott (16:22):
I mean, hopefully they're better than last night's game.

Graham (16:27):
Hopefully.
Yeah.
The the funny thing is, is likeit kind of reminded me, you
know, I was always a bigproponent of like back in the
day, you know, those the grudgematch between Pittsburgh and
Baltimore, those defensivegames.
But it's just like it didn'thave that same feel.
There was just so much morelike shitty offense.

Scott (16:44):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I mean, both teams have decentdefenses, but it was shitty
offense.
Yeah.
Where when it was SteelersRavens, it was black and blue.
I mean, it was good offenses,yeah, amazing defenses.

Graham (16:58):
Yeah.

Scott (16:59):
Last night, I mean, Jordan Love, like, who the fuck
are you?
I mean, when are we done withthis guy?
Uh uh I mean, when?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean, I hate to say this, andI said it in the our fantasy
thread last night.
Is the best quarterback in theNFC North, does he paint his

(17:20):
fingernails?

Graham (17:22):
All right, first of all, let's you're gonna go to Jared
Goff.
But you weren't Caleb's biggestfan.
I mean, you're still not hisbiggest fan, but I'm gonna say
it.

Scott (17:34):
No, I actually am now.
Now, okay, okay.
TP sent me an Instagram thingtonight about an hour ago, and
it was pretty amazing.
I'm gonna find it right now.
Uh I'll send it to you.

Graham (17:52):
Uh shout out TP.

Scott (17:54):
Yeah, it was pretty good.

Graham (17:57):
Everyone can everyone's mind can be changed.

Scott (18:00):
Yes, dude.
And it's shit like this that Ilike.
Caleb Williams brings his sixthgrade teacher to the game this
weekend.
Wow.
Dude post taught Caleb Williamsin the sixth grade.
He told me then he'd be an NFLquarterback.
I told him I'd be there to seehim.
He kept his promise.
Him and my wife orchestrated myweekend in Chicago to come see

(18:21):
him play.
Educators, our work reallymatters.
And you know, my wife is ateacher.

Announcer (18:30):
Yeah.

Scott (18:31):
Hits home.
You know, a couple put a coupledudes in the NFL my wife has
taught.

Announcer (18:36):
Yeah.

Scott (18:37):
Cam Chancellor.
But not pretty big bomb.

Graham (18:41):
I'm just messing with you, Kristen.

Scott (18:44):
What's his name?
Receiver for the Bills?
Uh Shakir.

Graham (18:49):
Oh, yeah, Khalir Shakir.

Scott (18:50):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But you know, I thought thatwas pretty cool.
I thought it was awesome.
I was like, damn TP.
I was like, I love it.
Just became a fan of his now.
And you know, everybody, howmuch shit have I talked on to
guy?

Graham (19:05):
Every episode.

Scott (19:07):
I mean, I mean, good for him.
Good for him.
But anyhow, let's couple crazygames early Sunday.
I mean, the Colts were in adogfight and winning overtime.
I mean, Jonathan Taylor, uh,okay.
Uh if they gave the MVP torunning backs, there you go.

Graham (19:34):
But they don't.
That's why they give him theoffensive player of the year.

Scott (19:37):
Dude is insane what he's doing right now.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Graham (19:43):
I don't disagree.

Scott (19:45):
Texans, Jaguars.
And I know you weren't watchingit, you were bitter betty
because you were losing all yourbets and shit.

Graham (19:53):
But when you have Buffalo in Miami, I know,
Graham.
Buffalo's playing like, youknow, like they were a good
team.
Miami's been playing like shit.
And then I don't know.
It's just for some reason,certain teams.
It's not, it's like it's not aplay down of the competition.
It's just there must be like aan aura, a juju, or something

(20:17):
down in Miami, but Buffalo justcan't.
Dude, it's kind of like youknow, the Patriots of Miami.
When the Patriots would comedown to Miami, their record
wasn't as good.
Like it's just I I don't, youknow, Miami could have seriously
inferior teams and still pullit out.
And to have a couple bets juston the like I had one bet we're

(20:39):
just on the regular nine nineand a half spread, but I had
like four teasers.
You're telling me I can't takeBuffalo minus three and a half
and get a dub?

Scott (20:53):
What?
The best thing about thatentire game.
Well, not the best thing.
Dude, they didn't score a pointin the first half.
The Bills.

Graham (21:06):
Well, when you throw two interceptions in the end zone,
that doesn't help.

Scott (21:10):
But dude, McDaniels after the game driving by that
buffalo bar, that was awesome.

Graham (21:19):
I just thought in the press conference.
Yeah.

Scott (21:21):
I'm not a fan of McDaniels, but that was that was
pretty epic.
I mean, if your boy was a headcoach and you were on my staff,
you don't think me and you wouldbe driving by bars of other
teams when we got that dub?

Graham (21:39):
How petty are you?

Scott (21:41):
Dude, you and I would probably last two weeks.

Graham (21:45):
Oh, 100%.
Dude, look, he's on his victorylap right now.
McDaniels.
He's not getting fired.
Not during the season.

Scott (21:54):
He's not getting fired after the season.

Graham (21:57):
Wow.
That's a hot take right there.

Scott (22:00):
He's not.

Graham (22:02):
Wow.

Scott (22:03):
Wow.
Wow.
Not getting fired.

Graham (22:07):
I did not expect you to say that.

Scott (22:09):
I didn't.
I mean, but I believe it.

Graham (22:11):
Hey, we were talking the other day, and the funny thing
is, like, McDaniels,surprisingly, I don't know why
it didn't come into my mind, butI mean, we've been talking
about how Dable has been on thehot seat.
I mean, how he wasn't firedcoming off the plane back home
from Denver when he gave up thatlead, that was just surprising.
But that being said, there'salways turnover for coaches in

(22:36):
the NFL.
Like it happens every year.
Some years there's a lot morethan others, and some years
there's not.
But we were talking about it,and it's just like, how many NFL
coaches are getting fired thisyear?
Whether it be, and I'm sayingin totality, between the regular
season, I mean, I would thinkDable's gonna be the only one,
but by the end of the year, thiscould be a year where there's
not that many.

(22:56):
I mean, possibly two seasons.

Scott (22:59):
There's gonna be there's gonna be coaching changes.
What's the difference?
Uh being fired and mutuallysplitting up are different
things.

Graham (23:12):
Uh fair.

Scott (23:14):
Fair Pete Carroll, Pete Carroll's one and out.
Yeah.
He's out.
He ain't coaching the Raidersnext year.

Graham (23:21):
Yeah, I didn't think about it.

Scott (23:22):
He's out.
Mike Tomlin, if y'all don't godeep in the playoffs, he's out.
Not getting fired.
The Steelers are never gonnafire him.
I mean, I think it's gonna be amutual I I uh to be honest,
bro.

Graham (23:36):
After this year, I think they would, but as we talked
about it, dude.

Scott (23:40):
Remember, remember the Steelers.
They take pride in, oh, we'veonly had three head coaches in
87,000 years.
They're not firing him.

Graham (23:50):
Hey, as they say, it's a new dawn, it's a new day,
brother.
It times are changing.

Scott (23:54):
And how did that how's that new dawn and new way of
Pittsburgh go this year with allthese free agent signings?
Yeah, well, hey, look, this waswalking away, and the Giants
are just gonna go up to him andsay, hey, here's a blank
paycheck.

Graham (24:13):
Yeah.
So here's an idea.
Trade him to him.
At least get something for it.
He's under contract for twoyears.
Why would they let him out?
Why would they not getsomething for him?

Scott (24:24):
If he's under contract and and well, if they mutually
agree, contracts toast.
Yeah, but I'm just saying, likeif Peyton, remember, Peyton
retired from the Saints.
That's why they had to tradehim to the Broncos.

Graham (24:38):
I get that, but I'm just saying, like, if if you could
get something, get it.
You know what I mean?
Like, you're telling me theGiants wouldn't give a second, a
third?
I'll take a third.
I'll take anything, to behonest.
I'll take an extra player.
I mean, we got listening to allthe beat writers yesterday.

(25:00):
We're the second oldest team inthe league right now.
The positions that we have toreplace, we can't do in a year.
I mean, I was thinking about itlast night as I'm on my bed,
you know, scrolling throughYouTube and just listening to
the people that I listen to, thebeat reporters and stuff, and

(25:22):
it's finally happened.
You know, uh all my friendsthat are, you know, have their
other teams, aka, you know, likethe Browns fans, you know,
because growing up inPittsburgh, or growing up in
Erie where I grew up, 45%Steelers, 45% Browns, and you
got those 10% Buffalo Billsfans, right?
A lot of a lot of my friends,like they're Browns fans, and I

(25:44):
mean you gotta feel bad forthem, but it's just like I can
honestly say, after this year, Imean, I don't think after what
was shown last or two nights agoon that Sunday night game, and
based off the schedule, I don'tsee us being over 500.
I don't see us making theplayoffs because you have to win

(26:05):
the division and we're we'renot making a wild card.
And to be honest, I'm I'm atthe point now where I'm ready to
rip the band-aid.
And all that being said, nextyear will be the first time
since I've like truly startedrooting for the Steelers that
I'm gonna watch a team that'snot gonna be good.

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And by not good, I mean I'mgonna see a five-and-12 team.
I or a six and eleven team.
Like I'm serious.

Scott (26:37):
And before we even I mean, before we even get into
the game, something that you andI have talked about on this
show numerous times was thedecision in the offseason, dude.
I hated your organization forfucking bringing Aaron Rodgers
in.

(26:57):
It was uh what happened lastyear?
Y'all started off hot.
Who was your quarterback?
Fields.
Then Russell Wilson came in.
He had a great game on MondayNight Football when you were
there having a blast, andeverybody's praising Russell
Wilson.
What happened at the end of theyear?
He looked old.

(27:18):
Yeah.
What happened at the beginningof this season?
Y'all started off hot.
The Ravens are one and four.
The Ravens are still thebetting favorite to win the god
dang AFC North.
Rogers looks old.
You don't have a number tworeceiver, you have 37 tight
ends.
You didn't try to.

(27:40):
I know you went after what'shis nuts.
Uh and he chose yeah, he choseto go down to or to go to
Seattle.
Everybody th I mean, myselfincluded, I hated Roman Wilson
from as a Michigan fan going toPittsburgh, but I was happy for

(28:01):
you.
I'm like, this dude's gonna bea changer.
Missed his first year.
What's he done this year, dude?
Why is he not playing more?

Graham (28:11):
Because he's the same as Calvin Austin.

Scott (28:13):
No, he's not.
He's younger.

Graham (28:16):
Well, I Calvin Austin's not old.
This is Calvin Austin's fourthyear.
Yeah, this is Roman Wilson'ssecond.
I'm just I I I I don't disagreewith you.

Scott (28:28):
I'm just saying, like I mean, Johnny Smith, you got him
in that big trade, right?
What did he do the other night?
I what did he do for theDolphins last year?
He made uh he made us go deepin the fantasy playoffs.

Graham (28:46):
Yeah.
Well, they're not play theyshould be playing him as a
number two wide receiver, not atight end.
I uh it's it's a con look,we're at the point, and a lot of
people are saying it, and notthat I want to compare it to
Andy Reed, but just because themessage is good, if you have the
same message for 19 years in arow, it doesn't matter if you're

(29:08):
you know if you're a player'scoach, like I get that, but
sometimes you need new you needa new message, right?
Andy Reid went to four straightNFC championships, and then
what happened?

Scott (29:20):
Boo-ba! They shit candy.

Graham (29:23):
Right?
So Which is insane.
It's just like like I it's justone of those things like it's
not you, it's not me, but it'sjust like you know, w we need to
figure something out.
Like the band-aid needs to getripped off, and you know, and to
your point, I'll I'll say this,you know, with Rogers, look
during the off season, thequality of potential backup or

(29:49):
quarterbacks that were on the onthe market wasn't that sexy.
Now I know you're gonna saybecause we've talked about it
oh, well, Daniel Jones and andDarnold.
Yeah, but Pittsburgh was notgonna pay Darnold that money.

Scott (30:05):
I agree.
I agree.
I'm I'm not I'm not sayingthat.
And I had never have.
I mean, obviously Justin Fieldsis not the answer.
You know.

Graham (30:17):
They wanted them.
They just didn't want to paythem.

Scott (30:19):
Right.
And now the Jets are like, butyou take, you know, you throw
all your eggs in a basket of adude that's going to give you
what two years tops.

Graham (30:29):
They were going for it.
They were.

Scott (30:32):
They were.

Graham (30:33):
And they it failed.

Scott (30:35):
Then you drafted a guy that everybody loved in the
preseason from Ohio State,Howard.
Bring in old Mason Rudolph,dude.
Let him start the year off andlet Will Howard get some
experience.
That's why I always hated theAaron Rodgers thing.
Because it wasn't for thefuture of your team.

Graham (30:56):
Yeah, but with the older, with an older team, it
was when now.
Like, dude, Art Rooney waslike, you have to win a playoff
game.
Do whatever you can.
You have to win a playoff game.
We're not winning a playoffgame with Howard, with Will
Howard.
It's just like, I get it.
No.

Scott (31:14):
But look, it's setting up the future.

Graham (31:16):
Right.
I hey.
We made our bed.
Yeah.
Now we're laying in it.
And it's and the thing is,like, we've gone through the
schedule.
Dude, there's two, maybe threewins.
And those two wins areCleveland, and we host on you're
gonna love this.
We host the Miami Dolphins on aMonday night in like four

(31:38):
weeks.
Uh, you know what I mean?
We gotta play Baltimore twice.
Look, I know division games aredivision games.
We still we're playingCincinnati on Sunday.
We have to we have to go toChicago, we have to go to
Detroit, we host Buffalo, whichteam is gonna show us.
I mean, it's just like I I atthis point, I don't know where

(32:03):
the hope is.

Scott (32:06):
What is it last night?
What did we say last night whenwe were going through your
schedule?
Nine and eight.

Graham (32:11):
Yeah.
Best case scenario was nine andeight.
But we have to win the divisionto make the playoffs.
Yeah.
So we have to beat Baltimore atleast once.
We have to beat the Bengals onSunday.
We have to obviously beatCleveland.
We got, I mean, like, there'sgames that we have to win.
And the only time, I don't saythe only time, but a lot of the

(32:35):
games that we've won, especiallyagainst the better teams that
we've played, we've only wonbecause we've had multiple
turnovers.
If we don't create turnovers,else.

Scott (32:47):
And like I said last week on the podcast, I really was
not sweating the Steelers gamebecause the Colts turned it over
five times last week, and y'allwon by seven.

Graham (33:08):
Well, Pittsburgh did give it up, gave up stuff
towards the end because theywon.

Scott (33:11):
But that was the only thing I was sweating the Charter
Steelers game was can Herbertget out alive?

Announcer (33:20):
Yeah.

Scott (33:21):
And you know, the first quarter of when he banged up his
knee, I'm like, Jesus Christ,can he finish the game?
And like we were talking theother night, if you looked at if
you remember the game, hedidn't get hit at all in the
second half.
Greg Roman, Greg Roman, theoffensive coordinator that I've

(33:43):
bashed forever since he's been acharger, Rob, Trevor.
We were like, he made thechanges, dude.

Graham (33:51):
Well, I mean, he has the experience against us.

Scott (33:54):
Vidal, I mean, he ran all over you guys.
Gassed you.
He was over a hundred yardsuntil the end of the game when
they were just running it and helost, lost his gas.

Graham (34:07):
Gash is what Jonathan Taylor does.
Not a hundred yards is notgashing, all right?

Scott (34:12):
Like it is when the Pittsburgh Steelers just held
Jonathan Taylor to what the weekbefore.

Graham (34:17):
Yeah, no, I mean, I don't disagree.
I I mean, look, and I mean,let's just talk about the game.
I mean it we're at this point,and you made a good point.
We're up 3-0.
We have the ball on your sideof the field.

Scott (34:33):
If Rogers It was 0-0 at that at that point.

Graham (34:36):
Oh, it was still zero throw.
Yeah, well, because that'sbecause we got the field goal
because of that.
Yeah, sorry about that.
If Rogers hits DK, who hadthree fucking steps.

Scott (34:47):
It's a different game.

Graham (34:49):
It's a completely different game.
Like, and uh look, I'll giveyou guys credit too.
There was a couple pass likeGatson dropped a couple passes.

Scott (34:56):
Yeah, on our first drive, it was like, dude.

Graham (34:59):
You know, I mean, there was a couple uh even Williams
dropped a pass or two.
So I mean, like, you guys couldhave, I mean, it could have
been more both sides, but it'sjust like there were some
passes.
It's just like when youroffense is not clicking, you
can't afford to draw passes.
And then on top of it, whenRogers is making some throws,
like we're just used to allright, if he lost the step,

(35:21):
okay, that's one thing, butRogers' whole thing has been his
accuracy.

Scott (35:25):
And not only not only accuracy, it's how fast he gets
the ball out.
Right.
And he didn't.

Graham (35:32):
There were three throws that I can remember perfectly
that he just oh like there'sovershot, and it's just like
you'd have to matumbo and jumpin the air to catch a couple of
those passes.

Scott (35:46):
The first pick we had, it was like, uh, where was that
going?

Graham (35:51):
Yeah, exactly.
That's what I'm saying.

Scott (35:52):
Ten feet over his head.

Graham (35:54):
So I it's just uh it's like watching that game, it's
like yeah, all phases have towork together, but Pittsburgh
always says, don't makemistakes, the defense will have
us, just get us, plot us downthe field, and we got a chance.
Rogers didn't do that, like ifhe would have made the throws

(36:14):
that he needed he needed tomake, that game would have been
a I mean, it would have been ahell of a lot closer than what
it was.

Scott (36:21):
The safety when Matt got him, that play changed Rogers
for the rest of the game.
Oh, yeah, he he was so hesitantthe rest of the game.
Yeah.
And he's lucky he fell on thatball or to Tuddy.

Graham (36:39):
Yeah.

Scott (36:39):
I mean, the ball came out.

Graham (36:41):
But uh the fact that he ran that way, like it was I
don't know.

Scott (36:48):
I mean, but before we continue, I gotta say, Rob, our
boy that we talk about on theshow all the time.
Rob went to the game and sat ina suite.
Let's go, Rob.
And he was so excited.
I mean, this this is my boyback in San Diego days at
Qualcomm.

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I mean, I sat next to him foryears and years and years.
This was the first game he'sever been able to over-serve
himself, right?
Have some beverages because healways drove home with his son
and he couldn't drink.
Well, we're texting before thegame, Trevor, him, and I, and
I'm like, dude, you have toFaceTime me for the national

(37:29):
anthem.
And Trevor's like, Yeah, dad,FaceTime both of us.
And Trevor's like, dude, getKellen on.
And it was so sick, dude.
Like, we're FaceTiming Rob'sgot pointing at the field.
It was awesome, right?
So Kellen even looks at me.
I was so fired up.
Just, you know, my I alwaystell you, tell everybody, my
favorite thing of an NFL game isthe national anthem.

(37:51):
Love it.
Yeah, love it.
Especially a night game whenthe whole world's watching you.
And then a half hour later, Robsends Trevor and I a picture,
gets to meet Dan Fowles.
Okay.
After the game, he texts Trevorand I, and this is Rob, I'm

(38:12):
sorry, we're gonna start at theend and then we're gonna rewind.
Okay.
He goes, Epic night.
Embarrassed the Steelers onprimetime, pissed off my
brother-in-law, got to dance infront of him two times, and got
my picture with Dan Fowles, myfavorite all-time charger.
I was like, love it, love it.

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For Rob.

Graham (38:35):
Hey, Rob, I'm glad you had a great time.
I'm glad I wasn't at that gamebecause I was planning on it.
And hey, I'm glad that'sprobably the greatest game
you've ever been to because weknow you haven't been to many
playoff wins, so you know, I'mjust uh No, we've been to a lot
of playoff games.
No, playoff wins.

Scott (38:53):
No, we have back in the day.
But uh the best part about Robwas we've talked about what's
that little kid's name that usedto take his shirt off.
They call you King something,right?
I mean, yeah.
Anyhow, Rob texts Trevor and Ihe's like, oh my god, the camera
was just here.
They had our suite all in thejumbotron.

(39:15):
And I'm like, Rob, if they doit again, you gotta take your
shirt off like that little kidand start waving it in the air.
And he goes, Give me threeseconds, I got you.
You saw the video.
Epic, dude.
Epic.
It was awesome.
But it was a fun night.

Graham (39:33):
Uh I miss seeing that kid.

Scott (39:35):
Yeah.

Graham (39:36):
The national media doesn't see that because it's
like not having season ticketsanymore.
It's just like, I mean, I wasso bummed that I didn't get to
go to this game.
And then when I watched it, Iwas like, there's no way.
Especially with the fact withRob in the in the suite, whether
or not there may or may nothave been room for me to join
them.
I'm kind of glad that I wasn'tthere.
But it's just like, it's notfor me to drive back, it would,

(39:58):
it's it's just it's not funbecause I'm not going with
anybody.
You know what I mean?
It's just like I don't want towatch the game by myself, and
then especially to have thatoutcome, like I would have been
so pissed.
So pissed.
And especially Rob probablydidn't stick around that much
later afterwards, anyway.
So it's like, yeah.
Look, things happen for areason.
It is what it is.
And Rob, congratulations.

(40:20):
I'm glad this is probably thehighlight of your year,
especially being a Chargers fan.

Scott (40:25):
So whoa, whoa, whoa.
Kudos.
Why do you gotta throw shade?
I I mean, Rob was a fan backin '94 when we beat the Steelers
in the AFC Championship game togo to the Super Bowl and then
get boat raced by the Niners.

Graham (40:41):
I mean, Rob was saved us the embarrassment.
Thank you.

Scott (40:45):
Rob was there.
But dude, everybody keepstalking about how old Roderick
is and this and that.
Let's give credit wherecredit's due.
Jesse Beaker and our playedwell.

Graham (40:58):
Uh uh.

Scott (40:59):
Dude, our defense, you guys were hold on.
Week one through three,Chargers had the number one
defense in the league.
Then all of a sudden, badtiming happens, all goes down.
You know, not blaming anything.
We go to the Giants, we'rethree and oh.
All of a sudden, what's hisname?
Jackson Dark gets inserted as astarting quarterback.

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We get beat, then we get beatby the Redskins, then we barely
beat the Dolphins, get boatraced by the Colts, won three
games in a row.
Week eight, nine, and ten.
And week eight, nine and ten,back to the number one defense
in the league.
The weeks before that, afterweek one, two, and three, we

(41:44):
were 32 out of 32.
Awful.
But with players out, dude.
Nico Reed, that pass heswatted, was sick.

Announcer (41:58):
Yeah.

Scott (41:59):
I mean, as a football fan, no matter what team you're
a fan of, you gotta give creditwhere credit's due.
That was sick.

Graham (42:06):
Facts, of course.

Scott (42:07):
Denzel Perryman.
Are you kidding me?
Some of the play, some of thehits he had.
And then the other, and TP saidit before the game, and god
dang it, I wish I was somewhereI could bet it.
He goes, I'm telling you rightnow, Bud Dupree's gonna have a
game.
And so is Jackson, thecornerback we signed from you

(42:28):
guys to the left and freeagency.
What happens?
Bud Depree, huge sack on thirddown.
Jackson, pick.
I was like, son of a bitch.
And the best thing I could theway I describe this game is
dude, the Chargers Steelered theSteelers.

(42:49):
Yeah.
The game that we played remindsme of a Steelers game.
Outphysicaled the other team,ran the ball well, didn't turn
it over, didn't make mistakes.
And what more can you say?
I mean, you guys were oh fornine on third down.

(43:10):
You had two you you had twothird down conversions.

Graham (43:17):
Yeah.
And what, like five three andouts?

Scott (43:21):
More than that.
Yeah.
It was crazy.
But I mean, I don't know.
Yeah, Steelers have threepoints, four first downs, and
106 total yards with fiveminutes remaining in the third
quarter.
They're 0 for 9 on third down.
And the Chargers D, they'veallowed one touchdown in nine

(43:42):
quarters, and that touchdown wasRoman Wilson, and that was
garbage time.
I mean, when have you seen aPittsburgh Steeler punt returner
fumble a ball?

Graham (43:54):
It's been a while.
I mean, you saw how like thisdude, I've never seen a ball
they talked about it on the Didyou see it?
It wasn't spiraling in acircle, it was spiraling
sideways.

Scott (44:06):
Like, what in the shit is going on?

Graham (44:08):
I'm like, yeah, exactly.
I'm like, what is that?

Scott (44:12):
But I mean, obviously, you're my best friend on the
planet.
I don't want to fucking youknow, you're happy.
I know you're happy for me.
I'd be happy if you won.
You know, we talked before thegame, and you're like, good
luck, and yada yada yada.

Graham (44:25):
Yeah.

Scott (44:26):
But I really didn't stress that game.
And it's weird.
It's weird as a charger fan tonot stress the game.
Even with seven fifty-fivethousand Steelers fans there
waving their towels.

Graham (44:44):
That's what makes it more depressing.
Like it was a home game for us.

Scott (44:47):
They were gone.
They and the funny they saidthe funny thing was Chargers
social media, they put it on thewhatever they call it, the big
Jumbotron or whatever.

Announcer (44:58):
Yeah.

Scott (44:58):
They were showing videos of every exit with 10 minutes
left in the fourth quarter ofall y'all leaving.

Graham (45:06):
Well, they're making room for all those Charger fans
somewhere.
I look, it's I get it.
It it I mean, it is what it is.
I mean, to be honest, I this isall off the top of my head, I
don't know specifics.
We don't play you guys thatoften.

(45:26):
I mean, it's not like you know,we're the opposite in the NFC
and the conference that you onlyplay like once every four
years, but like the last winthat I can remember was the game
that we were supposed to go toand you didn't give me tickets
for when you moved when youmoved away and when it was at
Stub Hub Arena and Duck Hodgescame in and took care of

(45:49):
business.

Scott (45:50):
That was the last time you won last year.

Graham (45:53):
Oh, sorry, yeah.

Scott (45:54):
When Herbert when Allen and Heineke got yeah, but uh
you're right.

Graham (45:59):
All right.
Okay, but before that, it'sjust like the times that I've
seen them in SoFi losses.

Scott (46:05):
Well, that's twice.
They've only been in SoFitwice.

Graham (46:09):
Yeah, so the home opener when there was like 34 points
scored in the fourth quarterthat game.

Scott (46:16):
And Rob's brother-in-law pissed his pants.

Graham (46:18):
Yeah.
In the car after it was overbecause it was blackout drunk.
Let's get more specific withthat.

Scott (46:26):
But yeah, I it's just And that was the day I met Andy.

Graham (46:30):
It was the day.

Scott (46:31):
Or not day, weekend.
Weekend or whatever.

Graham (46:35):
Yeah.
I just I mean, I thought it wasgonna be a good game.
I thought it would be close.
I thought you guys wouldprobably win, but I the there
was nothing about what happenedin that game I thought was gonna
happen.
Like I really didn't.
The fact that our offenseliterally couldn't do anything

(46:56):
was just it was depressing.
But the worst part about it waswith our offense not doing
anything, it wasn't like youblown us out.
I mean that amazing throw thatHerbert made to McConkie and he
had that 70-yard play.

Scott (47:11):
I still don't understand how he fit that ball in.

Graham (47:14):
I you know I mean, it was just like we were still in
it.
Like, it would have been moregut-wrenching if we could have
made a couple of plays andsomehow snuck that out.
You go, I mean, you and Robwould have been on high alert.
You know, something could havehappened.

Scott (47:29):
When y'all went for it on fourth down, we had to and
well, in the red zone, like onthe 10 or whatever.
I'm like, I'm like, oh shit.
If they score right here, thisis a game.

Graham (47:41):
Yeah.
And my dad's like, Well, whyare they going for it?
I was like, Dad, they thesecond half, they haven't even
been on this side of the field.
Yeah, had to.
Like, that was only the secondtime we were in the red zone.
Of course they like threepoints does absolute it's like
at that point, what was it, 15to 3?
Like, there was no point, like,what what is getting three

(48:02):
points?
I mean, gonna matter.
Like we always say, hey, takethe points, take the points.
Yeah, in the first and secondquarter or in the third, like
we're getting shellacked.
What's three gonna do here?
Like, we have to do something.
And it's just like Rogers justthrew it up for DK to make a
play, and it wasn't like he wasdouble covered, but the safety
over the top was kind of closeto side, but he didn't really

(48:24):
put it in a spot to give him achance.
Like, DK would have had to havemade the most unbelievable of
catch.
Yeah, I mean, the cornerbackdidn't turn around, so I was
kind of hoping we could get alucky PI call, but that didn't
happen.
And I'm just like, you know, itit got to a point where it's
just the writing was on thewall, and it's not like I'm
gonna change the channel.
I mean, it's just it is what itis.

(48:45):
Yeah, it's it's you know, andI'm like, uh, but the but I will
say this, you know, dad uhtowards the end, dad was like,
he's like, oh, he's like, I betyou Scott's gonna talk a lot of
shit after this game's over.
And I was just like, yes andno.
And he's like, What do youmean, yes and no?
I was like, Dad, there's justcertain types of game.

(49:06):
I'm like, I kind of like theChargers.
I mean, look, I was a seatingtick holder.
I'm like, I don't have aproblem.
But also the thing is like,yeah, we jab ourselves like
we're boys.
Like, that's what we do, butlike there's a difference
between throwing shots when thegame's close.
Yeah, and a shellacking,there's no like what said, like
we got our ass kicked.
Yeah, I can't come back fromthat.

(49:28):
Like, I can't throw a jab back.

Scott (49:30):
And I'm not gonna blast you during the game.
You're not gonna blast me.

Graham (49:34):
Yeah, like it's it's not gonna happen.

Scott (49:37):
Other people I know do that, and I hate it.
Yeah, like you know, if myteam's not gonna win, I want my
boys' team to win.
Yeah, so it's unless you're aPatriots or Chiefs or Broncos
fan.

Graham (49:50):
Yeah.

Scott (49:52):
I mean, uh it's a game.
I have nothing to do with it.
I still go to work tomorrow, Istill take a shit, it still
stinks, you know.
It is what it is.

Graham (50:04):
But exactly, exactly.
I I I don't know.

Scott (50:08):
To go on to something else, you know, going into the
game, Keenan needed tworeceptions to pass Antonio Gates
as the all-time Chargersreception leader.
Dude, he didn't catch a balluntil the second half.

Graham (50:25):
Yeah.

Scott (50:26):
And I'm going, dude, and Gates is there at the game.
The game's over, basically.
I don't know if it was beforethe two-minute warning or after
the two-minute warning, butwe're like, and Keenan, they
said Keenan said everybody onthe team, and Harbaugh is going,
we're gonna get it to you,we're gonna get it to you, we're
gonna get it to you.

Announcer (50:47):
Yeah.

Scott (50:48):
The game's out of hand.
You know, we're not gonna passit again.
We're gonna run it, y'all areout of timeouts.
And Keenan said he went toHarbaugh and said, How about a
little pop pass?
It's a guaranteed catch.
We don't have to jeopardize apick.
Harbaugh said he radioed it upto Roman, Dundee, and called

(51:09):
Keenan a genius.
Whatever.
Call it whatever it is.
Is it the kind of play I wantedto see him break the record
with?
No.
But it's not like it's the lastgame of his career.
He's gonna break it eventually.
Why not?
Where is there a better time todo it than on national
television?
Gates in attendance.

Graham (51:28):
Yeah.

Scott (51:29):
You don't want to do it next week in Jacksonville.
Let's get it done.
No, I guess and if you sawthis, is what I loved about it.
I mean, we did an emergencypodcast on Keenan.
Yeah, okay.
Your boy saying boys to men.
Keenan Keenan is one of myall-time favorite players.
And to see the emotion on theChargers, his teammates, and how

(51:58):
excited they were for him, itwas awesome.
It was amazing.
And pumped for him.
I mean, he's he was a he gotdrafted in 2013.
His first reception in the NFL,dude, who I think it was week
two, home opener at Philly.
Malcolm Floyd went down, insertKeenan, and it was off and

(52:23):
running from then on.
But it was sick, it was cool,it was a good game.
Chargers need this god dang byeweek.
We need to beat Jacksonville,dude, this week, and the bye
week is huge.
We need it.
We're not getting all back,we're not getting Slater back.
Yeah, we just gotta keepHerbert standing up, and this

(52:44):
defense has got to keep doingwhat it's doing.
Yeah.
And Derwin was a non-factor,dude.
That's what was crazy.
Yeah, they didn't call his namea lot.

Graham (52:56):
I mean, yeah, because our offense didn't do shit.
Like, they're not completingpasses for him to make a tackle.

Scott (53:05):
Yeah.
Well, I just I don't even knowwho we who he was playing or who
he was guarding.
I mean, let's look.
I'm looking at the stack statsright now.
Um I mean he had no sacks andhe had three tackles.

Graham (53:22):
Yeah.
I mean, you're pretty muchdouble in DK most of the game.
I mean, it's just it wasn't weit's not one of those things
where it's just like, oh, youknow, you know how sometimes
teams could be like it's justnot our week?

Scott (53:38):
Yeah.

Graham (53:40):
That I I don't think I can say that.
I think it's more than it'sjust it wasn't our week.
I I don't know.
I I just it's look, it's beentwenty years since Pittsburgh
has not been good.
And even before that, theyweren't like, you know, that

(54:01):
well no.

Scott (54:01):
Yeah, they always competed.

Graham (54:03):
Well, they drafted Ben in 04.
So I mean, it's been over 20,like, we've been a playoff
contending team for 20 years.
A.
I can't not be happy aboutthat.
I've only been watchingfootball for 20 years, so it's
just like now it's fine, likeit's look, Dynasties.

(54:23):
I'm not calling PittsburghDynasty, but I'm just saying,
like, progressions gothroughout.
I mean, look, the Patriots werenothing before Tom Brady was
there.
They were shit for the nextcouple of years.
Now they're turning it around.
It's just like teams can onlybe so good for so long.
I mean, it's not like I mean,how lucky are the Packers?

(54:43):
You went from, you know what Imean?
It's just like you went fromFavre to Rogers, and now you're
with Love, who, I mean, love'snot terrible.
Like, he's been debatable.
I know, I know you feel acertain way, but like Love's
still taking him to theplayoffs.
He's won games for them.

Scott (55:02):
I I Hey, it's not only the Packers.
You guys are lucky too.
No, for sure.
The Chargers.
Breeze, only Ben.
Herbert.

Graham (55:12):
Yeah, I'm just yeah, no, exactly.

Scott (55:15):
I it's just I mean, how many quarterbacks have the
Browns drafted in that timeframe?
Well, how many quarterbackshave the Dolphins drafted?
Well, Raiders or Raiders.

Graham (55:28):
They've had chances, they just take the wrong guy.
And as I mean, you should besending them a thank you gift
every year.

Scott (55:36):
Every Christmas, I should be sending them a Christmas
card.

Graham (55:38):
Yeah.
Herbert should have gone toMiami.
Just saying.
Thank you, baby Jesus.
So, I mean, look, things happenfor a reason.
It is what it is.
It's just, you know, life goeson, and now it's, you know, I
mean, well, look, Pittsburghwon't be ever as bad as the

(56:00):
Browns.
I mean, look, the Browns keeplosing, and they still don't
want to give Shador a chance.
I mean, I I who knows what'sgoing on over there.
I it makes no sense.
I don't know.
I just none.
I it is what it is.

Scott (56:18):
Um speaking of making no sense.
Uh Lions boat race, theRedskins.
I mean, it makes sense.
I mean, I get it with Danielsout, but what the hell is going
on in Washington?
You got homeboy getting ejectedfor throwing a punch.

Announcer (56:39):
That was so weird.

Scott (56:42):
It's like, yeah, wow.

Graham (56:44):
They I mean, look, Seattle is that team, you know,
they're good.
And also, and look, as I said,next man up doesn't count when
your number one, when your topplayers get hurt.

Scott (56:56):
Like 100%.

Graham (56:58):
It's it's tough.
It's tough.

Scott (57:00):
So something I don't know why, you know, we've been
talking about this forever.
I don't know why my love forthe Patriots start before this
year.
And after watching Seattle likethe first four or five weeks of
the year, I've been tellingyou, Seattle's the best team in
football.

Announcer (57:20):
Yeah.

Scott (57:22):
It's and you can argue Rams too.
I mean, the Rams are justoffense, defense.
Like, I mean, could googlymoogly.
And the Devon Adams andDevontae Adams to that team.
Wow.

Graham (57:38):
With Chiron, the defense is stepping up.
Look at that.

Scott (57:41):
Puka's healthy.

Graham (57:42):
Yeah.
It's the game of the week.
Literally.
It should be flexed.
I know.
I think it's a regular fouro'clock game.

Scott (57:50):
Oh, Fox probably protected it.
Because each CBS and Fox canprotect one game.

Graham (57:56):
Yeah.

Scott (57:56):
Yeah.
So I mean that's a game of theweek.
It's gonna be a game, dude.

Graham (58:00):
Oh, a hundred percent.
And it's also their firstmeeting, too.

Scott (58:04):
Okay.
I mean, think about it.
If the Eagles don't block afield goal, the Rams beat them
in Philly.

Graham (58:12):
Yeah.
Dude, the Rams almost had theirnumber last year in the
playoffs.

Scott (58:17):
Yeah.
And if the Colts, if the theyshould have beaten the Colts.
Or no, because they beat theRams did beat the Colts.

Graham (58:25):
Yeah.

Scott (58:26):
Because that's when the moron dropped the ball before
the end zone.

Announcer (58:28):
Yeah.

Scott (58:29):
Are the Rams who the Rams lost to?
They have two losses, right?
Yes.
Who the hell have they lost to?
This is making me questioneverything right now.

Graham (58:45):
I got you right here.
They lost to oh, that waspreseason.
I'm like, they lost to theBrowns?
Uh the Eagles and uh theNiners.
The first time they played theNiners in overtime.

Scott (59:06):
That's right.
Yeah.
And the Seahawks have twolosses, week one against the
Niners.
Yeah.

Graham (59:14):
And lost to the almost should have lost to us, too.

Scott (59:17):
And lost to Tampa.

Graham (59:18):
Yeah.

Scott (59:19):
Dude, they beat y'all 31 to 17.
Yeah, but if the Is that whenWarren or not Warren, uh Caleb
Johnson misplayed the kick.
Yeah.

Graham (59:29):
Yeah.
I mean, look, dude, the Ramsnext couple of games are no
slouches.
They're they host the Seahawks,then they host the Bucks, at
the Panthers, at the Cardinals,host the Lions, at the Seahawks,
at the Falcons, and then finishat home against the Cardinals.

Scott (59:47):
That's a that's I ain't mad at that.

Graham (59:50):
That's not an easy sketch.

Scott (59:52):
No.
So we got we got Tampa at theBills this week.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I need Patriots doing thatwork on the Jets on Thursday
night to get your boy over thateight and a half win total.

Graham (01:00:09):
May's going down, the season's over.
That you laughed at.

Scott (01:00:14):
Laughing.
I already have a real of courseyou do.
Of course, dude.
What do you think about dude?
The Panthers losing to theSaints.
Thanks, Survivor picks.
I mean, dude.
Yeah.

Graham (01:00:30):
And I can't go one up on Andy on our Jets Saints bet.

Scott (01:00:36):
Dude, we got Chief Broncos too this week.
Yeah.
And it's weird.
I'm rooting for the Broncos.

Announcer (01:00:42):
Yeah.

Graham (01:00:43):
I mean.
I have to.
I mean, is there a worse 8-2team?

Scott (01:00:54):
You know my feelings, dude.

Graham (01:00:56):
Yeah.

Scott (01:00:56):
I mean, I will give them credit.
Their two losses werelast-second field goals.
But like you said earlier, uh,remember what they did against
the Giants when they dude missed37 field goals?

Announcer (01:01:10):
Yeah.

Scott (01:01:11):
I just Bo Nix is not him.

Announcer (01:01:15):
Yeah, I don't know what's going on with that.
He figures it out.

Graham (01:01:20):
Yeah, I mean well, dude, like, you know, you didn't uh
I'll give you a little, I'llfluff you up so you can say
you're Herbert stat.
If Herbert played on theBroncos, they'd be undefeated
right now.

Scott (01:01:32):
Not a question in my mind.
Not even debatable.
So, I mean look what Herbert'sdoing, dude.
Obviously, I'm a Target fan.
Look what he's doing with hisall-pro left tackle out and his
all-pro right tackle out.
Next man up.

Dude, put it this way (01:01:57):
he's on pace, like I was talking to you
earlier, for over 4,600 yards.
No quarterback in the historyof the NFL has ever had 4,600
passing yards, 32 passingtouchdowns, and 450 rushing
yards.
What?
If he does it with thisoffensive line, can people stop

(01:02:20):
throwing shade at my guy, dude?
I don't know.
Just because he's hanging outwith this hot chick with huge
hammers.
Like people blast him.
What's her name?
Beer, Madison Beer.
Beers.
Whatever.
Her last name, Beer.
I like beer.
I like boobies.
I like the motorboat.

(01:02:40):
You motorboating son of a beep.
Uh clip it.
I mean, I mean, people blasthim.
Oh, he lost a playoff gamebecause he was down 27 to
nothing.
Like I always say, how manyturnovers did my guy have?
We got boat raced by the Texanslast year.

(01:03:01):
We have one wide receiver, LaddMcConkie.
He's getting double covered theentire game and still put up
197 yards.
Give my guy some protection,please.
But it's crazy, dude.
I mean the NFC is a power.

(01:03:21):
The AFC it's wide open.
I think.
Yeah, I agree.
I mean.

Graham (01:03:32):
Any given Sunday, bro.

Scott (01:03:34):
I think it's wide open, the AFC.

Graham (01:03:35):
Whoever shows up.

Scott (01:03:37):
I mean, we were, dude, you and I were, I don't even
know how we recorded an episodeafter two weeks with the
Packers.
We were crowning them.
We were trying to bet them forSuper Bowl winners, and I forget
what I the stat was.
They've scored like 20 pointsthe last two weeks.
Yeah, that's against thePanthers and then obviously the

(01:04:01):
Eagles.
But I don't know.
I don't know.
I just, dude.
Rams and the Seahawks is gonnabe epic this week.
It's gonna be good.
Broncos Chiefs is gonna begood.

Announcer (01:04:16):
Yeah.

Scott (01:04:18):
But I don't know.
Graham.
It's been a fun week on to week11.
Let's go.
It's sad.
Because it's week 11.

Announcer (01:04:31):
Yeah, I know, right?
Getting close to the end.

Scott (01:04:35):
Thanksgiving's a couple weeks away, and you know, then
it's Christmas, Hanukkah,Kwanzaa, all that other stuff.
I mean, I gotta give respectwhere respect's due.

Graham (01:04:49):
Yo, you just you do.
You just caught me off guardwith that.

Scott (01:04:53):
Speaking of catching you off guard, I wish you could have
seen your face when I did themotorboat and Madison Beer.
I mean, come on, girl.
Oh, dude.
It's getting close.
Something I meant I put in mybrain that I wanted to bring up.
Dude, the last two games weplayed at Tennessee.
Okay.
My girl was on the sideline.
Amanda.

Announcer (01:05:13):
Oh my God.

Scott (01:05:14):
And this week, Sunday night football, my other girl
was on the sideline.
Let's get it started.
Let's get it started.
Graham, get us out of here.
Love you.
Before we go, if anybody'slistening at an hour and five

(01:05:37):
minutes, we know Andy willlisten.
We know TP will be there.
How about that prank we playedon you last night?

Graham (01:05:45):
Oh, shut the front door.

Scott (01:05:48):
Was that any good?

Graham (01:05:51):
Yeah, but epic.
For someone, for someone thatalways claims that he's gonna
blow up the league.
You said it first this year.
Yeah.
Well, I also knew it wascoming.
I mean, I didn't know untillike right at the end that the
joke was on, but Tom confessed?
Yeah, at the end.

(01:06:12):
Like right before right beforethe end.
Yeah, yeah.

Scott (01:06:16):
What?

Graham (01:06:16):
I told you this.

Scott (01:06:18):
Oh, dude, I'm blasting Tom.

Graham (01:06:22):
I'm blasting Tom.
I've Lee.
I've known Tom since ninthgrade.
Just got taken away.

Scott (01:06:29):
I'm blasting him.

Graham (01:06:30):
Oh, dude.
Well, look, I'm talking to himand I'm like, how are you
starting this shit right now?
I'm like, you know, theseidiots in our fucking league
are, you know, get can be theycan't deal with this bullshit.
They're always talking aboutthis and talking about that.
I was like, they complain aboutthe dumbest shit.
I was like, the pe it's likeyou can't stir the pot with
people that don't know therules, think things are what

(01:06:54):
they're not, and it's just likethey don't pay attention.
Like you you can't argue aboutstuff that you don't pay
attention to, and you're juststirring the pot.
And I'm just like, well, I'mjust I'm like going off on him,
and he's like, he's like, I'mlike, dude, I'm about to say
this, this, and this.
And he's like, Graham.
The funny thing is, he didn'tsay you.
He just said he's like, he'slike, I got a text, and he's

(01:07:16):
like, we're busting your balls.
So he didn't call you out.
I thought it was straight Andy,and I was like, that son of a
bitch.
I was like, I'm gonna, boy, Igot some for him.
You believe that.
And so he didn't throw youunder the bus at all, but it's
just like I was talking to himabout something because he's
like, he doesn't have like he'sbeen in the league for three

(01:07:38):
years now, and he doesn't haveanyone's number saved except me,
you, and Andy.
So he doesn't know who's makingthe comments.
So I'm trying to tell him whocertain people are, and then
after I tell them, you know,that's when you guys pull that
little thing of like, you know,you get eight different people
to say one word that basicallysays we're we're messing with
you.
If I didn't say who thedifferent people's numbers were,

(01:08:00):
I was about to go scorchedearth.
I mean, I did say somethingeventually, but it was as you
guys were basically saying it,giving yourselves up.
I was I wanted to say somethingbefore you guys gave it up, and
I wanted you to think I wasgoing scorched earth, but it
just was one of those thingslike it is what it is.

Scott (01:08:17):
So the the best part of the whole thing is I knew you
were like heated when it wasgoing on because I text you and
I'll you're stirring the pottoo.
I'm like, I text you and I'mand I say, dude, this is not
good.
Yeah, and I never get aresponse.

Graham (01:08:37):
Yeah.

Scott (01:08:38):
Never get a response.
I'm like talking to Andy, texthim with Tom.
I'm like, dude, I texted Grahamand I haven't gotten a response
in 25 minutes.

Graham (01:08:49):
Oh, I was I was ready.

Scott (01:08:51):
It was awesome, it was hilarious.
Hilarious.
Anyhow, hey, it was fun, it washilarious.

Graham (01:09:00):
Look, it is what it is, and look, if it takes 10 weeks
to finally get people involvedand and chit and chit chat in
our fantasy group, it's abouttime.
I mean, why play fantasyfootball if no one talks shit,
does anything?
It's just like I could playagainst nobody's.
So look, if the joke's gonna beon me, fine.

(01:09:20):
It is what it is.
I'm at least glad that therewas participation in a group
fantasy chat amongst friends.
So it is what it is.

Scott (01:09:29):
Even Badger at Lambeau Field joined in the game last
night.

Graham (01:09:34):
Hey.
Rob even chimed in too.
It was it was it was nice.
So Scott, not happy about thegame this past Sunday night.
It is what it is.
Hopefully, good luck for theChargers the rest of the season
for the Steelers.
Honestly, at this point, I'mkind of wishing you missed the
playoffs and we can get a betterdraft pick.

(01:09:54):
So Scott.
Yeah, I know.
I said it.
I said it's depressing.
But hey, I have a great timedoing the podcast with you.
And as the best homie alwayssays, boom by goodnight,
friends.

Scott (01:10:09):
Good night, 50,000 people waving your ugly, terrible
towels on Sunday night.
I had to say that.
I'm sorry, Graham.
You're still my best friend.
Good night, Melissa Stark.
Thanks for being on thesideline at SoFi.
I love you all.
Sandy go superchargers,Sandiego, Super Chargers.

Announcer (01:10:53):
Located in Southeast Virginia.