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Announcer (00:07):
Welcome to another
episode of the Bald Guys on the
Bench podcast, with your hostsGraham Cohen and Scott Wasco.
Graham (00:21):
What's up everyone?
Welcome back to another episodeof the Bald Guys on the Bench.
We're about to have some funtonight.
Scott, kick it off.
How are we doing tonight?
Everyone?
Welcome back to another episodeof the Bald guys on the bench.
We're about to have some funtonight.
Scott, kick it off.
How are we doing tonight,brother, dude fun.
Scott (00:31):
I think that's an
understatement, bro.
Do you realize what we have?
For the first time ever, wehave five days of playoff
football upon us, startingtomorrow.
Let's go I mean collegefootball semifinals right into
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the NFL playoffs Saturday,sunday and Monday.
Ain't mad at that If you likesports and you like playoffs
playoffs You're talking aboutplayoffs, I mean playoffs.
Let's grab it and crack it, bro.
Before we get into it, let's go, grab one and crack let's go
baby guy oh so you know, like wealways start off.
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graham, how was your weekend?
What'd you do?
I mean, I kind of know what youdid, but fill our listeners in
Well, I mean we are BFFs.
Graham (01:31):
I would hope you know
what we did Weekend was.
You know it was good.
I drove back to Los Angeles onSunday and stayed a couple days.
Back to Los Angeles on Sundayand stayed a couple days.
The friend that I talked aboutabout a month and a half ago
that passed away from themotorcycle accident.
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The family decided to finallyhave his little memorial service
for him, so went back and didthat, saw some old friends that
I haven't seen in a while, whichwas nice to meet up with them.
But then also one of the bestparts was I got to hang out with
our boys, minor and Jeff.
That's in our fantasy leagueand it was the first time the
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three of us actually got to hangout together in person in like
a year and a half.
Nice, bro.
One that was sick, but two it'slike we didn't skip a beat.
Scott (02:30):
That's how you know who
true friends are Exactly.
Graham (02:33):
And I even got to hang
out with him.
Yeah, you did Sunday night Gota little FaceTime, baby.
Yeah, jeff, and.
Scott (02:38):
I got to talk about the
Metropolitans, how I screwed him
in fantasy football and youknow had a good old time.
Graham (02:46):
And how I quote unquote
cheated with my trade in the
middle of the night.
Scott (02:53):
Which that wasn't in the
middle of the night, it wasn't.
I mean because Tom's on theEast Coast, you're on the West
Coast.
I mean whatever, whatever.
Haters gonna hate, hate, hate,you know.
Graham (03:08):
Facts, facts.
But yeah, just you know.
Drove back on Tuesday, got toVegas at a decent hour and you
know, between all the messagesthat my mom was sending me, like
get out of town, get out oftown.
I'm like what is going on?
And she's like aren't youlooking at your phone or the
news?
And I was like no, I'm driving.
Announcer (03:27):
I just got up.
I'm like what's up?
Graham (03:30):
I know I'm like what's
up and she's like there's fires,
the place is burning down, getout of there.
And I was like what?
And lo and behold, but I meanbetween the air quality but then
really traffic.
You know I got out of thereabout noon and praise the Lord
that I did, because you knowtraffic just gets real bad the
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later that you do.
But then also with people, youknow, evacuating and all that
drama, and it's just, you know,looking on it now, a day past,
and seeing all the fires andeverything that's happening over
there, I mean all you can do isjust say prayers, you know,
hope for the best for thesefamilies.
Scott (04:11):
This is pretty much what
it is.
It's brutal.
I mean the Kings hockey gamewas canceled tonight.
They're already talking aboutthe Rams Vikings game Monday
night.
You know being moved to Arizona, I think.
And yeah, you know being movedto Arizona, I think.
And you know I was talkingabout it with TP earlier.
I'll never forget my first yearof being a Chargers season
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ticket holder.
It was literally the Chargersfirst Monday night game in years
and years and years against theDolphins and there were fires
down in San Diego and they movedthe game to Arizona.
And I'll never forget being sobitter, obviously because I was
fired up about the Monday nightgame.
But then it's like you know,put shit in perspective and
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watching these people losingtheir houses and you know it's
your house, dude.
You know, get your shit out andgo, you know, oh for sure.
But anyhow, uh, you know, I'mglad you had a good weekend with
your boys.
You know, obviously it was noton best terms, you know, but it
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was cool for, yeah, you guysought to be there together and,
you know, a little closureAgreed Not that closure is what
you wanted, but it was acelebration of life.
Yes, and you got to see Jeffand got to see Minor and do your
thing and have a good old time,but my weekend was my weekend.
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It's cold as shit here on theEast coast.
Good God, almighty, don't weighme but they're just colder than
whatever.
Uh, you know it started offSaturday night, my weekend, and
the Ravens laid the wood to theBrowns.
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You know, leaving the episodelast week, we were talking about
the Steelers and the bangles,or no?
No, yeah, steelers and thebangles.
And if Steelers lost charge,one charge got the five seed.
And you know Steelers weregetting the wood laid to them
and came back and made it a game.
You know not that I'm rootingagainst your team, but I'm
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rooting for my team.
You know I'd much rather goplay the Texans, but you know
that's how it kicked off onSaturday and I don't know.
Sunday came around, watched theChargers and that was that.
But before we even get into allthat, let's talk about
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something that started lastnight, that's been in the making
for a while and I guess was, Idon't know, pushed off a little
bit because the place burnt downor something.
Remember that shit last year?
And that is the TGL League.
Right Yesterday during the day,tp texted me and before I even
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get into this, time out Happybirthday, tp.
Graham (07:25):
Wow Scott.
I don't know how old you knowbefore I even get into this time
out.
Happy birthday TP.
Wow Scott.
Scott (07:27):
I don't know how old you
are, but happy birthday, bro.
One of the only reasons I stillhave Facebook is to tell me
when it's somebody's birthday.
And his wife took him,blindfolded him, took the whole
fam to Topgolf, got to hit somegolf balls he had no idea where
it was going.
So you know, oh nice, Hope youhad a great day, Uh, which I
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know you did.
But anyhow, yesterday TP textedme and goes dude, what do you
think about this TGL league?
You know, I kind of knew theformat.
I've seen the videos of thismassive, massive.
You're playing golf indoors,right, You've got these teams,
you've got teams of four, butonly three can play.
They made up these crazy holes.
(08:11):
You know, I didn't know what tothink about it.
I hoped for the best and theonly thing that I really wanted
to happen actually happened alittle bit, and that is
something that hasn't happenedon TNT over the years, with the
match and this and that, andthat is the guys talking a
little trash to each other.
(08:32):
You know, love it.
I have, like it's me, you andour boys out playing golf
talking trash.
You know, don't be a robot andyou know what I'm saying.
Just have fun, oh, 100% withthe boys.
Right, you know, and a coupleweeks ago they had like a media
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day I think it's the SoFi Centeror something down in Florida is
what it's called yeah, andpeople were talking about it and
how massive it is the screenand literally how the players
actually got to hit off of grass, real grass, right, and if you
hit it in the rough.
There was real rough.
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There was a real bunker inthere when you got close to the
green and I didn't know what toexpect.
I had a big thing at the clublast night.
So I got home a little laterand started watching it a little
late and, dude, it was three onthree and the first nine holes
I believe it was the first nineholes it was a three-person
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alternate shot and each hole'sworth a point.
And don't quote me you got tothrow a hammer.
Okay, if somebody you wereplaying against, you got to
throw a hammer to instantly makethat hole worth two points.
And I was like this is cool.
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After the front nine I think itwas Ricky's team, team New York
was getting boat raced.
And then after the front nine,it's only a 15-hole match and so
after the front nine it wasliterally three individual
matches.
So how did they do this?
You know, ricky and Shane Lowryplayed against each other, I
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think, on one and 13.
And then the other match was 11and 14.
The other one was 12 and 15,but, dude, it really impressed
me.
I couldn't believe it.
And you know I'm as traditionalas it comes with the sport of
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golf, right, and you know, youknow something, as I was
thinking about it today, I'mlike dude, I don't even have a
clue what tgl stands for.
I know tiger and rory, you knowthis was their dream to kind of
not go against live, but it wassomething in the golf world to
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entertain fans, right and so,right, you and I were talking
earlier tgl.
What do we think?
It was tiger golf league, right, right.
And so I was literally had tolook it up and it stands for
tomorrow's golf league and ohwow, it was legit, dude.
I mean, a couple of weeks Lastnight started at nine o'clock,
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which was a little late to getgood ratings and stuff.
A couple of weeks you got Tigerversus Rory, which is going to
be legit.
But then it came out today,dude.
Last night TGL drew 920,000viewers at 9 o'clock.
That's crazy.
The lead game on ESPN2,pittsburgh and Duke college
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basketball only drew 751,000.
That's insane.
You want to talk about a strongstart to this league.
It's pretty good yeah.
Graham (12:11):
I mean.
Scott (12:12):
Dude, the coolest part,
you know, were the holes.
The holes were insane, likethey had all these crazy.
It was just nuts, you know,give it a chance, give it a shot
Around.
The greens was super coolbecause they were hitting real
chip shots.
They were hitting real bunkershots.
It's not into a simulator, butit was legit, dude, it impressed
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me, not going to lie.
Graham (12:39):
Dude the screen itself.
I mean you're?
Announcer (12:42):
hitting wisdom.
Graham (12:44):
Yeah, it's like they
said.
It's 24 times the size of aregular simulator screen.
Scott (12:51):
Anybody that's ever hit
balls in a simulator or, you
know, had the experience ofdoing that.
You're talking about WyndhamClark, you're talking about
Ludwig.
You're talking about ShaneLowry, fitzpatrick, ricky Fowler
these are all amazing golfersand the ball comes off the face
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really fast.
And if you're a normalsimulator, when you hit the shot
, before you even look up, theball's already hit the screen.
Right Watching this, last nightnight, there was a second,
second and a half after they hitthe ball that you could hear it
hitting the screen.
That's how, I mean, legit, itwas super cool.
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You know, let's see whathappens.
I like I said I didn't knowwhat to expect, didn't know what
to think of it, but it was sick, dude.
I mean I don't even know whatto say.
Yeah, I just I can't wait.
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Next week I think they start,and it was on espn, they had
tiger.
I think they had 1600 fans inattendance.
You know, that's super cool.
Wow, you can sit there right ontop of these guys.
And the coolest part to me wasthere's a shot clock.
You know, you ain't got time tolook at all this shit from 100
different angles, like they wereplaying holes in like three
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minutes, like let's go, it washey, save the walking, bro, it's
I mean it's not, as it's asharp idea, yeah I love it.
I mean, we'll see what happensand we'll see what the ratings
are next week when it's nightnot at nine o'clock eastern time
, because I think it's at sevennext week and, like I said, a
couple weeks from now it's goingto be Tiger's team versus
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Rory's team Pretty legit, youknow.
Yeah, I don't know.
Let's see what happens.
I'm all about it.
I don't know.
Don't quote me on this, butlast night, I guarantee you I
don't know.
You can look it up if you want.
I guarantee you they had moreviewers than Liv did their first
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event, and this isn't a shot.
Graham (15:16):
It's not, but it is.
It is, but it isn't.
Scott (15:22):
But I mean, I don't know
it was legit.
So, anyhow, let's get right incollege football semi-finals.
Let's do it penn state, notredame tomorrow night.
After notre dame.
I mean, can you believe whatthey did to Georgia, dude,
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sheesh?
Yes, you can believe what PennState did to Boise State, but I
mean Notre Dame and that's not ashot.
I'm just saying no, it's goingto be a matchup.
Man, it's going to be a matchup.
I agree, the line's not much.
I think Notre Dame's favored bya point or something.
(16:04):
Yeah, line's not much.
I think Notre Dame's favored bya point or something.
Graham (16:07):
Yeah, it's not much.
Announcer (16:08):
Not much If.
Graham (16:08):
I was going to take a
gander.
I think it's only go-go gadgetbetting.
Wait for it.
Yeah, a point and a half.
A point and a half.
Scott (16:24):
Where's that game being?
Announcer (16:25):
played yeah.
Scott (16:25):
Notre Dame.
It's in Miami, right the OrangeBowl.
Announcer (16:29):
Yeah, okay, yeah.
Scott (16:30):
All right, which is good,
because we all know what's
going on across the country.
Because they're talking aboutcrazy weather in Texas and
Dallas for the Ohio StateLonghorns game and, like it's
crazy the weather you got hotand, goddang, zero humidity.
In California, everything'sburning down and the whole rest
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of the damn world is gettingready to have another snowstorm.
It's wild, but you know goingto be good.
Graham (17:02):
Five days of playoff
football in a row, you know
going to be good, you know, fivedays of playoff football in a
row.
I know, say it again.
Scott (17:12):
It's like, wow, this is
sick.
Graham (17:14):
Yeah, it's so great.
If it goes the way we want itto go, I mean it's going to be
invisible.
If it doesn't, I mean it won'tbe, it's just.
Scott (17:24):
It is what it is what it
is.
I mean Penn state playing NotreDame.
The next Friday night, we gotOhio state playing Texas and,
good God, I mean Ohio stateOregon.
I mean that game was overbefore it even got dang started.
Right, we talked about thatlast week, but geez, louise, I
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mean Two good matchups.
Graham (17:49):
Prove yourself, texas.
That's all I gotta say.
Is prove yourself, I mean.
Scott (17:54):
They got their hands full
, bro, even though it's
basically a home game for them.
Graham (17:58):
Yeah, it is almost a
home game, but still, yeah, it's
Ohio State will still travel.
I get that.
But I mean, look, it's going tobe so many Longhorn fans there.
I mean hopefully that can beenough a distraction for Ohio
State's in-game performance.
I doubt it.
But look, texas is like oh,we're the big bad Longhorns,
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we're joining the SEC.
We're badasses.
Well, man, we're the big badLonghorns, we're joining the SEC
.
We're badasses.
Well man, up and protect theconference you represent.
Now, am I being a hater justbecause I'm a Penn State guy and
Ohio State can take a long walkover Shore Bridge?
Hell yeah, I ain't trying tosee them win.
Fuck a tree nut or whateverdamn nuts they're called in
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their mouths, whatever you know,um, the real question is is
yours going to step up?
Is the running game going tostep up?
Can the defense handle what thewide receivers are going to do
from Ohio state?
It's going to be a good matchup.
Do I know why the spread iswhat it is?
Announcer (19:00):
Yeah.
Graham (19:01):
It's because Ohio state
has looked amazing these last
two games and thanks Michiganfor, should I say, awakening the
beast of Ohio State.
So thanks Scott, thanks DavePortnoy, thanks Michigan
Jackasses.
Scott (19:16):
But hey, as you say that,
though Michigan gave the world
the blueprint, bro, how do youbeat them Run the ball?
Michigan gave the world theblueprint, bro.
How do you beat them Run theball?
Graham (19:28):
Yeah, but didn't they
look better after that fact?
Scott (19:31):
Ohio State.
Graham (19:32):
No, I'm just saying like
, yeah, you can what play great
defense and stop them on theoutside.
Scott (19:37):
Oh, gee, that's a tough
call.
Announcer (19:39):
Run the ball yeah.
Graham (19:42):
But I mean, Texas has a
good run game.
Scott (19:44):
They have great corners
too, so it's going to be a dog
fight.
I mean, I'm hoping the world,in my opinion, does not want to
see this.
And that is Penn state and Ohiostate and the national
championship game.
Of course not but we're biasedratings.
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I mean I think if you're goingby the TV networks, they want to
see Notre Dame and Ohio State.
Of course, Notre Dame aloneversus doesn't matter, the
ratings will be.
Graham (20:21):
Yeah, I was going to say
I'm sure they wouldn't object
to Texas either.
Yeah, exactly.
Scott (20:26):
But, dude, we're lucky.
The only bad thing is we onlygot three college football games
left in the season, you know,but there are going to be three
really good games.
Announcer (20:40):
Yes.
Graham (20:41):
Yes, yeah, I'm excited
for it.
Hopefully it goes the way thatI would like let's go Penn State
, let's go Notre Dame, or in theit's like myself Texas.
Let's go Texas, yeah, dame, orin the black myself.
Texas, let's go Texas.
Scott (20:52):
Yeah, but as we're, you
know, talking college football
semi-finals going on in thenational championship game, I do
have to bring this up, dude.
A year ago tonight, a year ago,harbaugh stood on that stage
and took the natty, and you knowwhat's crazy about this?
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Who you bitch?
You know what's crazy.
Do you know where that game wasplayed?
The same place the Chargers areplaying this coming week.
Wow, last time Harbaugh wasthere he was pulling it down.
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Pulling it down Anyhow, I loveit.
We got a lot of NFL shit to talkabout Week 18, coaches getting
fired.
You know Black Monday wasn't asbad as it normally is, but
let's jump right in, dude.
You know the Ravens win earlySaturday, clench the division.
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You guys have to play againstthe Bengals to try to get that
five seed and we kind ofmentioned it earlier you guys
came out flat, dude.
I read something the other daythe Steelers went the entire
season, bro, without scoring afirst drive touchdown.
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Yeah, the entire season.
You made it a game with.
You were down.
What two.
With hardly any time left.
Russ doesn't run out of bounds.
I'm texting you, I'm going.
What in the shit is going on,dude?
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You guys lost your last fourgames what kind of?
And now you're going to play?
The only positive thing I wouldsay right now, after losing
four games and going into thewildcard round, is that you're
playing a team you know so muchabout Right at like 10, you
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would feel better about going toplay them than the Bills Facts,
especially with homeboy out,zay Flowers.
They haven't announced that yet, but it doesn't look like he's
going to play.
Graham (23:33):
All I can say is best
case scenario, it's a get right
game.
I mean, look, our last sevengames were brutal.
I mean strength of schedule,hardest it's almost ever been
for any team.
If someone wants to, you know,challenge that, go ahead, I'm.
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I'm here waiting.
But that being said, did welook good in those last seven
games?
Not particularly, um.
And obviously, look, everyonealways says every coach says, oh
, next man up.
But, as we've said in previouspodcasts, you can say that as
long as you want, but when youhave key guys out, shit, shit
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matters.
You know what I mean.
Having the right people therematters, and especially on the
back end when you're playingagainst teams that love to throw
the ball.
You know it's just, it is whatit is.
I mean tomlin's presser afterthe bangles game was well.
We did hold Joe Burrow to onethrowing touchdown.
You know he's averaged three.
The last how many games?
I was just like yeah, okay, Imean, I guess if you want to
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look at it that way, but it'sjust like the Steelers have to
play perfect ball to win games.
You know they haven't reallybeen generating too many
turnovers.
The defense hasn't reallylooked that great.
I even hate to say this, tj'sbeen a little silent these last
half of the season.
Scott (25:01):
It's not hard to do that
when you got eight guys blocking
TJ.
Graham (25:08):
Yeah, no, I mean I agree
and like I said, the teams that
we played.
You know what I mean I get that.
Scott (25:15):
Pickens has done nothing
mia and I mean, like I said last
week to you, you and I had asmany yards as pickens did
saturday night, with one lesscatch.
Right, he had a ton of drops.
Then he's trying to fight thehome crowd while the game's
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still going on All right, youcan't have talent like that,
just acting like a jackass.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Graham (25:48):
Antonio Brown.
Bro, there's been a lot of youknow, that's the thing.
Just listening to these otherpundits and not even pundits,
just people flapping theirmouths on these YouTube analysts
and shit, and it's just likethey make valid points.
It's just like, dude.
Think of our main receivers.
We had the last 10 yearsPlaxico Well, that's a little
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more than 10, but still PlaxicoAB Pickens, now Clay you know
Chase Claypool there's alwaysbeen.
You know they'll have amazingseasons, even Juju They'll have
amazing seasons.
But then when they have to beby themselves and be the guy,
it's tough.
They ain't it?
It's tough and I mean AntonioBrown's, the only person that
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you know can stand on hisshoulders and be like hey, I was
that guy.
Yeah, you were.
Scott (26:42):
And then you got hit by
Fontes Perfect, and then yeah,
but he also, I mean he also hadJuju.
Announcer (26:48):
Yeah, no, I mean yes,
I get that.
Graham (26:49):
I'm just saying look,
would it help Pickens mature?
Yes, I get that.
I'm just saying, look, would ithelp Pickens mature and also
his stats if he had a legitimatenumber one on the other side?
A thousand percent.
Scott (27:01):
You're supposed to be
that guy, bro.
I don't know how you maturewhen you're trying to fight the
home crowd.
Graham (27:13):
I mean I don't disagree
with you.
Scott (27:15):
I mean at all, something
I read before we even got on the
air tonight.
Okay, and you and I weretalking about it and tomlin said
it in his presser is justinfield's gonna see some action.
You action this week againstthe— 100%.
And something I read Steelers,with Justin Fields as a starting
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quarterback 4-2 record, 2-0versus playoff teams.
Steelers' last seven games withRussell Wilson 2-5 record, 0-3
versus playoff teams.
Graham (27:52):
It's like can I just
have a little bit from each of
those quarterbacks to make onequarterback?
If I could give Justin FieldsRussell's arm accuracy.
Go ahead, bro.
Yeah, you give him thataccuracy.
I'd be like come on down,you're the next contestant on.
The Price is Right, aka thequarterback for the Pittsburgh
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Steelers.
I don't know.
Look, going into this game,like I said, the familiarity
that we're going against theRavens is the only thing that
makes me feel like all right, weknow what we're getting into.
It is what it is, spread I'mnot too concerned about.
I mean, look, if we would havewon and we would have gone to
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the Texans, I would have beenlike dude, this is a game that
we should win and, to be honest,I think I would be more upset
if we lost to the Texans than ifwe lose to the Ravens.
Yeah.
Scott (28:47):
You know what I?
Graham (28:48):
mean yeah, so I just.
But then also, it's like if wedo beat the Ravens, I mean I'd
be happier if we beat the.
You know what I mean?
It's the double-edged sword ofhow these matchups go.
I mean I think that it's goingto be a tough game.
I think it's going to be closerto the spread.
(29:10):
I still won't bet it because,as I've always said in the past
I don't bet my team, but I just,I'm just, you know what.
I'll just end it with this, aslong as we look better than what
we have these last six weeks,that's all I care about.
Yeah, I agree.
Scott (29:31):
Hey, and let's face the
facts here.
You know, nobody expected theSteelers to be where they are
going into the season.
I think the win total was overeight and a half the same as the
Chargers.
Nobody expected the Chargers tobe where they are right now,
and really nobody thought theDonkeys were going to be where
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they are right now, and reallynobody thought the Donkeys were
going to be where they are rightnow.
Graham (29:57):
Agreed.
I mean, bro, I was laying a bitthinking about it the
Pittsburgh Steelers were 10-3.
Yeah, and then finished 10-7.
I mean, I know For a month ago,we haven't won two games in
December in how long?
Scott (30:16):
Been a minute.
I mean the Broncos win total inVegas was over five and a half
Right, but yeah, we got Steelersat Ravens.
Well, first off, we gotChargers at Texans.
It was funny.
I saw somebody post it and waslike you know, the Masters is
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always a tradition like no otherand they put it into the Texans
the last.
Like eight times they've madethe playoffs.
They're the first game onSaturday.
So, yeah, hilarious Chargersplay at the Texans early game on
Saturday, then Steelers atRavens Saturday night.
I don't know man.
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Like I said all year long onthis podcast, I'm stoked where
the Chargers are.
I can't even believe that wegot the 5 seed hardball's first
season.
And if we lose to the Texans,am I going to be pissed?
Of course I'm going to bepissed, dude, it's the playoffs.
(31:19):
But am I going to be crushed?
Graham (31:22):
No, Playing with house
money.
Scott (31:28):
Exactly, exactly.
So I think Denver dude is dude,is gonna give the bills a game.
I don't know why, I don't knowwhat the weather looks like up
in buffalo, but I mean denver'sd is legit.
I just I don't know.
I mean, am I saying they'regoing to win?
(31:51):
No, am I saying it's going tobe closer than what Vegas says?
I say yes.
I mean I think it's eight and ahalf.
Yeah, I don't know what do I?
Graham (32:09):
know it's just tough to
project what a rookie
quarterback is going to do inthe playoffs.
I agree, I mean, I know Denverhas a good defense.
You know they're going to wantto run the ball.
The Bills' defense against therun has been a little suspect
these last couple of weeks, butstill, you still have to throw
the ball in this league to win.
(32:30):
You do, you, do you do so?
You know?
I just I feel like the Billswill be creative in the
offensive plays that they putout there.
I think it will be close.
I mean, if I was to do anything, I'd put it in a tease and then
tease it up for the Broncos andtake the Broncos plus 16 or
(32:54):
something and feel comfortablewith that.
But other than that, I got noidea.
Scott (33:01):
None, I mean I'm just
thinking gut, not being fanball,
I'm thinking Ravens, chargers,bills, advance, which sets up
the divisional matchups ofpretty good matchups, dude, oh
(33:26):
for sure.
Bills hosting the Ravens.
Is that any good Chiefs hostingthe Ravens?
Is that any good Chiefs hostingthe Chargers?
In conference, I mean indivision it's hard to beat a
team three times in a row.
That it is hey that's why I'mjust saying it, not saying not
(33:47):
looking past the Texans at all.
No, of course, but it's hard tobeat a team three times in a
row, yeah, but dude.
Graham (33:58):
And if the clouds opened
up and the universe shined down
on us, pittsburgh wins, theChargers wins and the Broncos
wins, meaning the PittsburghSteelers would come to SoFi and
I'd actually be able to go tothe first ever home game for the
Chargers.
Scott (34:14):
That would be sick.
Graham (34:17):
Yeah it would.
That would be sick.
Rob would fly back.
We'd drive back for that rightoh.
Scott (34:22):
This?
How do you do?
Do you have wooden balls?
Does a whale shit in the ocean?
Whale's poop.
So real quick.
We haven't even gotten in theNFC yet, but we know the
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matchups Packers at Eagles,washington at Tampa, vikings at
Rams Out of all 14 teams thathave made the playoffs and I
already know the answer that I'mgoing to ask you the team in
the AFC that shocked you themost to make the playoffs and
(35:06):
the team in the NFC that shockedyou the most to make the
playoffs.
I mean, they're pretty easy.
Graham (35:12):
Well, I mean it started
a season.
Announcer (35:13):
Well, I mean, it
started a season, yeah, I mean
well yeah it's the Broncos andthe Vikings.
Scott (35:21):
Wow, you shocked me on
the NFC, even though I agree
with exactly what you said.
It's not the Vikings making theplayoffs, it's how they
dominated, I mean how do?
You not put Washington in thatsentence when they won four
games last year?
Graham (35:43):
I mean tomato, tomato.
I mean either or I just I cantell you why.
One I had more confidence inJaden Daniels as a rookie
quarterback.
I felt that how JJ McCarthyplayed at Michigan.
Scott (36:04):
He wasn't asked to do a
lot, how that was going to
translate that's what I'm saying, but then he goes down you
didn't know what to expect.
Graham (36:09):
You know what I mean.
Announcer (36:11):
Yeah, it's not a
knock on McCarthy.
Graham (36:13):
It's just like you don't
know how his play style will
work with the new offense andwhat they're doing up there.
So I mean, obviously they havepieces and he gets hurt.
Announcer (36:21):
He got Jefferson, he
got all those.
Graham (36:23):
I get it, yeah.
So I mean, look, Sam Darnold,say what you want about him.
Sam Darnold, say what you wantabout him.
I mean, obviously he's comebackplayer of the year.
I mean, sign still delivered,lock it up.
But can you call somebody?
He wasn't drafted fourthoverall because he was a bum.
Scott (36:41):
Right.
Can you call somebody comebackplayer of the year if they
weren't injured?
Graham (36:48):
Okay then, who was
injured and came back?
Who would you give it to?
Scott (36:52):
I don't know, I'm just
throwing you that question.
Obviously what Sam Darnold didlast year up in San Francisco
under Shanahan.
Graham (37:01):
Yeah, but didn't they
give Flacco comeback?
Player of the year last?
Scott (37:05):
year Did they?
I'm pretty sure they did.
Graham (37:08):
I don't know.
I'm pretty sure they did.
Scott (37:12):
I don't know.
I mean, hey, let's call a spadea spade, it doesn't matter.
I'm not taking anything awayfrom what Sam Darnold has done
this year, except for whathappened week 18, when he
couldn't hit the ocean from thebeach Right but anyhow.
Graham (37:36):
I mean, yeah, you could
go either way.
I don't know.
I guess I just kind of glossedover washington and just thought
about, you know, with samdonald, but I mean just also
because their division was somuch harder.
Scott (37:44):
You know what I mean,
like you think I mean, like the
afc west, the nfC North hasthree teams in the playoffs.
Say that again folks, yeah, andwho saw that shit happening?
Not a one.
Speaking of as we wrap up week18, for the first time in NFL
(38:10):
history, bro say that.
For the first time in NFLhistory, 15 teams finished the
season with 10 plus wins.
Graham (38:23):
Can you believe that's a
record?
Scott (38:26):
Yeah, that's what first
time in NFL history means.
Well, you're a quick one there,graham Dude.
What Fifteen teams.
Graham (38:45):
So basically, not a lot
of mediocrity.
Either you were good or youwere shit.
Scott (38:50):
Well, and it all comes
down to this who gets lucky in
the draft with a quarterback?
Graham (39:00):
Ain't that a fact?
Ain't that a fact?
Good luck anyone needing aquarterback this year.
Scott (39:08):
Boo have fun with Cam
Ward and Sanders Shador.
Graham (39:13):
Sanders, have fun with
cam warden sanders, shador
sanders and whoever else.
I mean.
There's guys that they'resaying, hey, man, stay another
year, you ain't ready with thenio and all that.
Scott (39:29):
Why wouldn't you?
Oh my god, are you kidding?
Graham (39:31):
me stay With the NIO,
and all that.
Why wouldn't you oh my God, areyou kidding me?
Stay?
Yours is like I'm staying,don't worry about me bro.
Scott (39:38):
No, he's gone.
I ain't going nowhere.
They're saying he might go toOregon.
Graham (39:42):
No, that's what I'm
saying.
Like he'll stay in college.
Yeah, he ain't going to the NFL.
Scott (39:45):
Because it's Archie
Manning time in Austin with the
Longhorns.
Announcer (39:50):
Oh yeah, they ready.
Graham (39:52):
But they ready, he ready
, yeah, the fans are ready yeah.
How about His dorm room's readyDude how about the Patriots.
Scott (40:04):
And what did I tell you
Saturday night?
How much of a slap in the facewould it be for the Bills?
How much of a slap in the facewould it be for the Bills, who
already have the two seedwrapped up, to allow the
Patriots to win, just to screwup their first overall pick?
And what happened?
And not only did it happen, bro, I think, less than 90 minutes
(40:30):
after the game, less than 90minutes after the game they put
out.
Graham (40:49):
The Patriots fired Mayo
and put out this massive press
release that you know waswritten on Saturday firing Mayo?
Oh for sure it's hypocrite.
Much no-transcript.
What does it say about them?
Or really is that who theyreally want?
You would think that's theanswer, I mean, but does he want
to go there?
Scott (41:08):
Like I was talking to you
about Monday, I listened to
Kraft's press conference afterthe firing Listen to it and then
they played Kraft's pressconference announcing Mayo as
the head coach.
You want to talk aboutcontradicting?
Graham (41:30):
yourself, dude we didn't
give him the pieces for success
.
Scott (41:35):
Well, no shit, sherlock
Holmes and how Kraft felt sorry
for him and he didn't have theexperience.
But then his introductory pressconference announcing Mayo was
like we're going to give himtime to get the experience,
we're going to give him thepieces.
Graham (41:58):
Which also is hilarious
considering the fact that Vrabel
was available last year.
Scott (42:06):
And it should have been
the decision, should have been
the person.
But you know that happenedSunday.
And then you know Black Monday,which we always call.
You know, the Monday followingweek 18.
Black Monday, which we alwayscall the Monday following week
(42:27):
18.
It was only Ferguson andJacksonville that got fired,
which was crazy.
Couldn't believe it.
Everybody's like what's goingon in Vegas with Antonio Pierce,
this and that Right.
Then he got fired on Tuesday,but Telesco is still there.
Graham (42:52):
Well, yeah, because he
has to help find a new coach.
Scott (42:56):
Because that's worked out
well in his history.
Graham (42:58):
Just let Tom do it.
Scott (43:00):
I mean Mike McCoy,
anthony Lynn, brandon Staley
Telesco gets shit-canned.
Announcer (43:08):
I mean.
Scott (43:09):
And in comes Harbaugh.
How's that working out?
Graham (43:15):
I don't disagree with
anything that you're saying.
Scott (43:17):
So, out of all the teams
that are looking for a head
coach, we got the Saints.
We got the saints we got thebears.
Yep, we got the Jaguars, we gotthe Patriots and we got the
jets.
What is the job that is mostdesirable?
Graham (43:39):
It has to be Chicago.
Well, I can't say has to be,because I mean that's going to
be a tough division for years tocome.
I'd say, Chicago is the leastdesirable because of their
owners and how cheap they are.
Scott (43:57):
What you want to go to
Jacksonville.
You want to go to the Jets?
I'm saying Jacksonville or thePatriots yeah, the Patriots, you
got a young quarterback.
Jacksonville, you're in a shitdivision.
I mean Chicago, their ownershipis awful.
(44:20):
They wouldn't pay Harbaugh twoyears ago.
I mean, that's just my opinion,I don't know.
But anyhow, we haven't eventalked about the NFC matchups.
We jumped the gun, which isunderstandable.
Matchups, dude Packers at Eagles, Washington at Tampa and
(44:47):
Vikings at Rams.
What do you see going into theNFC playoffs?
Those match-ups, they're allgood, they're all solid
match-ups.
I think the Rams are flyingunder the radar a little bit.
They're as healthy as they'vebeen all year.
The Vikings coming off thathuge loss to the Lions,
(45:11):
Washington at Tampa, and youknow it's kind of crazy.
Tampa jumped up to the threeseed, with them winning and the
Rams losing week 18.
And then Washington and thePackers going from six to seven
because the Packers lost andWashington won.
Right, Good matchups, I mean.
(45:34):
I agree.
I think the Eagles boat racethe Packers if, as do I, Jalen
hurts gets out of concussionprotocol which it's been.
Graham (45:45):
How long now?
It's been a while.
Scott (45:50):
And don't forget, dude,
jordan Love banged up his
throwing elbow.
Yeah, you know.
Graham (46:00):
I'm telling you, this
line is going to go up down
sideways and around before.
So folks, take it now.
Scott (46:05):
I can't believe it hasn't
already rocketed up.
Graham (46:09):
Because at least they're
giving me a cash-out option
just in case shit changes.
I mean, I don't know, it's notgoing down, it's only going to
go up.
It shouldn't go down, right,that's what I'm saying.
It's not going to go up, itshouldn't go down, right, that's
what I'm saying.
It's not going to go down, it'sonly going to go up.
The question is does it go from4.5 to 7.5?
I don't think so.
I don't think so if Jordan Lovedoesn't play, he's playing.
(46:34):
If he doesn't play, it's goingto what?
Scott (46:40):
oh, I don't even want to
talk about what it could go to.
Well, I mean, he's going towhat?
Oh, I don't even want to talkabout what it could go to.
Graham (46:45):
Well, I mean, he's going
to okay, do you?
How can you start someone thathas a questionable throwing hand
, a hand that he's throwing within cold weather?
Scott (46:55):
Would you throw him out
there?
Not a hundred percent.
Graham (46:58):
I mean it's either him,
it's Malik Willis, malik Willis
Right.
Not 100%.
I mean it's either him or MalikWillis, malik Willis Right.
I mean, only time can tell yeah.
Scott (47:10):
The game that intrigues
me, though, I mean Washington
and Tampa.
Tampa has looked like worldbeaters at different times in
the season and then goes down 14to nothing last week Right and
(47:32):
gave you a heart attack, rightBecause of your bets.
Rams Vikings how did theVikings respond after last week?
Graham (47:45):
The Rams are no slouch
people.
I do.
Scott (47:52):
It would suck for Rams
fans and season ticket holders
for that game to be moved toArizona because of the fires.
Oh, 100 hundred percent, thatwould absolutely suck.
Graham (48:08):
Yeah, but I'm to be
honest because so far is not a
closed stadium.
I'm curious what the airquality is going to be like
Exactly.
Scott (48:21):
You ain't wrong, so it's
I ain't wrong, so it's.
Announcer (48:26):
I don't know.
Graham (48:27):
So if they pay for the
tickets, would that just be like
transferable?
Do they get their refunds, Iwonder?
Scott (48:34):
how that happened.
Back in the day, our first yearof being season ticket holders
for the Chargers at Qualcommthat Monday night game, they
credited our accounts andliterally they gave anybody that
wanted to go to the game inArizona free tickets.
Graham (48:54):
Oh, wow, yeah, they
ain't doing that.
Scott (48:57):
But Not in this day of
the NFL.
Graham (49:02):
Yeah, but no, they ain't
doing that.
But I don't know what do yousee happening, but not in this
day of the NFL.
Yeah, but no, I ain't doingthat but I don't know.
Scott (49:05):
What do you see?
Let's hope it doesn't come tothat.
I know what do you seehappening in the NFC.
Who are your winners?
Graham (49:13):
I mean, obviously I like
, um, what do I like?
I like the Eagles, I like thecommanders and I like the
Commanders and I like, yeah,commanders on the road, I'm
liking.
My only thing is they got atough defensive line.
You know what I mean.
(49:34):
If they can stop Bucky Irvinfrom having his day, I just I
mean, look, I think both teamsare evenly matched, but I, I
just, I don't know, I just havethis gut feeling that it's the
commanders commanders lost totampa week one of the season, I
(49:55):
forget what yeah, by how many,but it was also daniel's first
game starting in the NFL.
Scott (50:02):
Right, right, you know, I
don't know.
I like the Eagles, I like Tampato win the game, I want
Washington to win the game and Ireally think the Rams are going
(50:24):
to beat the Vikings.
Graham (50:28):
So do I.
That's crazy.
You're going to go 14-3 and bethe first round out, sheesh.
Scott (50:37):
And that brings us to
something we were talking about
last week, dude, is it time forthe NFL to change the playoff
format?
The competition committee Okay,you win your division, You're
guaranteed a playoff spot, butyou really have a team that's
14-3 playing an away game.
(50:57):
I mean, I get it, I understand,I totally get it, I understand,
I totally get it.
But think about it.
If it was based off of record,guess what?
We may or may not have seenSaquon Barkley break the
all-time NFL rushing recordgoing into last week, because he
(51:21):
had something to play for Right.
Graham (51:24):
You know you're wrong,
you ain't wrong.
Scott (51:28):
Going into last week you
would have had the Ravens
Steelers Chargers playing forthe three, four, five seed.
Graham (51:36):
Yeah, I mean, it would
definitely shake things up, for
sure.
I mean, and look, as theyproposed it, the division
winners get in regardless,you're in, and then it's all
based off your record.
So I mean I like the idea.
Scott (51:53):
I mean, I will never
forget, and this was to benefit
the Chargers 2008.
The Chargers finished theseason eight and eight and the
colts were the five seed at 13and three.
Because tennessee won thedivision at 14 and two and the
(52:14):
13 and three colts had to cometo qualcomm on the road wildcard
round and sproles goes, walkoff in overtime and wins the
game Right.
You know it's hard to.
If there was ever a year totalk about it, it's this year.
Graham (52:31):
Oh for sure.
I mean, when else is theregoing to be a situation in in
that this happens?
I mean, I mean it's the thingis, if this doesn't happen, very
often it's kind of a moot pointand for how it can change
things moving forward.
Scott (52:48):
Could you have imagined
the Vikings beating the Lions
the other night and the Lionshaving to go on the road?
Graham (52:58):
I know, considering they
look like the best team all
year, that's insane, Right.
It's a punishment.
All year, that's insane, Right,it's a punishment.
I mean, I get it.
There's too many things that itcould work positively.
Just based on how this seasonwent, We'd have to go back and
look at the previous years tosee how that would have affected
situations.
But as of this year, it'sdefinitely the right play.
(53:19):
So I'm curious to see if one,if they even talk about it.
But first things first.
You can talk about all that andchanging the playoff system,
and that's great.
How about let's do the firstthing?
Can we check these refs andstart getting these calls done
by?
You know, having calls you canactually replay, or at least
(53:41):
having some of these calls bedone by the head office,
something or more cameras, sothey can be like oh yeah, that
was definitely a face mask or ohhey, that was definitely, you
know, not pass interference, oris pass interference?
It's like there's so much othershit that needs to happen
before they change that side ofit that it's just like if you're
going to do one of thoseoptions first, I'm taking the
(54:02):
other.
But that's just like if you'regoing to do one of those options
.
First I'm taking the other, butthat's just me.
I mean, we need continuity inthe game first we need it to be
a loving playing field before weeven concern ourselves with
who's going where in theplayoffs.
I don't disagree with you.
Scott (54:38):
One thing that I do love
and love to hear today on the
New Heights podcast was allthese people going out and
claiming the Chiefs laid downfor the Broncos to win.
So the Bengals didn't get inand Travis Kelsey going shut up,
dude, we ain't afraid of nobody.
Announcer (54:48):
I'll play them in the
.
Scott (54:48):
Walmart parking lot
whenever we want.
You know what, bengals, if youwanted to get in the playoffs,
maybe not lose week one againstthe Patriots.
Graham (55:03):
The straw that broke the
camel's back right there for
the rest of the season, foreveryone, I mean that gave the
Patriots hope and crushed theBengals ultimately.
Announcer (55:19):
Yeah.
Scott (55:21):
I don't disagree, I mean
I don't disagree.
I mean, I don't disagree at allI don't know, man, it's wild,
but anyhow, dude, so did youhear the news that came out
today with tom brady regardingwith Tom Brady Regarding he's
(55:44):
going to help in the hiringprocess About a text message.
Graham (55:46):
No.
Scott (55:53):
He sent to good old boy
Bill Belichick no, what's that
Asking?
Graham (55:56):
if he was interested to
come to the Raiders.
You can't make this whole pressconference if you're going to
the Tar Heels, it'd be like no,no, no, I changed my mind.
Scott (56:02):
Dude and other GMs have
reached out Like you had all
this time.
No, yeah, Belichick, please,for the love of God, stay where
you're at Change collegefootball.
I don't know.
(56:25):
When I saw that today I wasjust like come on, man, the
guy's already signed a contract.
I hope, like all the kids saynowadays, I hope Belichick left
Brady on red.
Announcer (56:41):
Or whatever the hell
it is.
Scott (56:42):
they say I mean, I don't
know they're talking about
Kingsbury to the Bears.
Cliff, you don't go to theBears when you have it made in
Washington calling the plays forthe rookie of the year.
Quarterback Jaden Daniels andthe Redskins have a top five cap
(57:09):
space going into next year.
Graham (57:11):
Stay where you're at
Right.
No, I agree.
Scott (57:14):
Why would you do that to
yourself?
I mean, come on, I don't know,I agree.
Graham (57:21):
What are?
Scott (57:21):
you coaching Carousel,
dude?
I don't know.
I agree, what do you coachingcarousel do?
I don't know man, I don't knowwhat.
Who's going where?
I mean, like you said earlier,the only thing that really makes
a lot of sense is Vrabel goingto the Patriots Right.
Who wants to go to Chicago?
(57:42):
You go to Chicago to get fired.
Graham (57:47):
I mean, look, first-time
coaches want to go anywhere.
Right, they do.
It's only the desired coachesthat have a chance to go where
they want to go, aka Ben Johnson.
Scott (57:55):
Where are you going to go
?
If you're him, where are yougoing to go?
Graham (58:02):
Look, you're going to a
team that I mean it's very rare
that you go to a team that youwant to go to, or that it's a
good organization.
It's rare that that happens.
I mean, look, harbaugh gotlucky last year.
You know what I mean.
You know just picking a good,you know it was the perfect fit
for him.
And I'm just saying now it's,you know the choices that are
(58:23):
available are not the sexiest ofchoices.
Scott (58:24):
I mean, if I'm ben
johnson, there's like I talked
about earlier there's two teamsI'm going to either the patriots
or the jaguars, right, you gota young quarterback in new
england, lots of cap space.
Or you go down there and if youbelieve in, or you go down
there and if you believe inGoldilocks Lawrence, you go down
(58:45):
to the AFC South and you've gota weak division.
They've got some pieces inplace down there.
Yeah, last place I'm going isChicago, right, I mean the
Saints.
They ain't got a quarterback.
Derek Carr already said heain't taking a pay cut, a pay
(59:07):
cut.
You got the Falcons who are upand coming.
Why would he?
You got Baker Mayfield in Tampa, I don't know.
That's why I was like I meanChicago is the last place.
I'm going Kingsbury, pleasedon't go there.
Announcer (59:28):
I don't know.
Scott (59:33):
I don't know, man, but
all I know is the regular
season's over.
I saw a crazy meme the otherday talking about Red Zone
Channel's over.
What, yeah, there's no aboutRed Zone Channel's over what.
Yeah, there's no more Red ZoneChannel dude Until next year.
Graham (59:49):
Well, for this season,
yeah, Still that's kind of sad.
What are you talking?
Scott (59:54):
I mean it's sad it made
it sound like it's gone forever.
Graham (59:56):
Scott Hansen, dude I
mean yeah, can take a Sunday off
for once.
Scott (01:00:02):
And take a leak.
Yeah, can take a Sunday off foronce and take a leak, yeah
right, but you know yourSteelers are in the tournament,
my Chargers are in thetournament.
If you would have told us thatSeptember 1st, we would have
both been like let's go.
Facts, Without a doubt.
Graham (01:00:23):
And, hey, everything
worked out the way I wanted it
to last week because the teamshad to play the way they needed
to play for my bets to work.
So I'm all happy, everythingworked out.
I'm not like I can't, it's youknow.
Yeah, the teams that needed toplay the right teams.
Look, you have a good chance toadvance.
I like our chances againstBaltimore.
Scott (01:00:48):
Here's a quick question
as we get off the air here.
I'm going to look it up realquick.
What do you think the Steelers'money line is against the
Ravens?
Graham (01:01:01):
Money line.
Yeah, y'all went one and1 thisyear right?
Yeah, I'd say it's probablyplus 350.
370.
Yeah, because I know they're9.5, so it has to be more.
Scott (01:01:18):
Wow y'all's money line
plus 370 is more than the
Broncos beating the bills.
Graham (01:01:26):
No faith, Trust me, If I
had expendable income, I'd say
take the money line.
But I don't, I don't know.
So so I, I, I mean, I couldn'tin good conscious, I mean I it,
it'd be a Homer bet.
You know what I mean, Of course.
Scott (01:01:48):
And we always talk about.
Graham (01:01:49):
we don't want to do that
, but you can do it as a lottery
ticket.
Scott (01:01:53):
Yeah.
Announcer (01:01:54):
Yeah.
Graham (01:01:57):
Right, I could.
Maybe I don't know.
I've got a few days to try it,to figure it out, so what's your
?
Scott (01:02:04):
when are we getting on
the air next week?
I mean wild card round.
We got games Saturday, sunday,monday.
Are you working Monday?
No, so we need to get on duringthe Monday night game either in
LA yeah, we can do that, or inArizona, wherever that's going
to be.
Announcer (01:02:22):
Yeah.
Scott (01:02:23):
So as we end tonight, you
know, hopefully these Santa Ana
winds in Southern Californiacalm the F down and these fires
get contained.
I mean, like I was telling youearlier, Riviera is in trouble
due to being burned down.
(01:02:43):
That's not good.
Graham (01:02:46):
The Olympics are there
in a couple of years, but you
know, I'm sure I think you justgo to Pebble.
Scott (01:02:56):
Anyhow, graham, get us
out of here.
Another episode, something.
Hey, as we got off the air lastweek, we were talking about
what?
Patreon?
Well, yes, we got an activeaccount on Patreon.
We got some new stickers thatwe're going to start setting up
(01:03:16):
and sending out to subscriberson Patreon.
On Patreon, your boy's goingdown in the PGA show in Orlando
in a couple weeks and alreadyhave an appointment with a
t-shirt company to try to getsome Bald Guys t-shirts for
Patreon subscribers.
So you know, love it.
Like I said last week, show methe money and we'll show you
(01:03:38):
some merch.
Graham (01:03:42):
I love it.
Yeah, hey 2025 is the year forbald guys on the bench.
We out here, yo we out here.
Let's go.
Scott, as always, it's apleasure doing the podcast with
you.
It's always a lot of fun.
Good luck to your team, goodluck to my team and hey, as the
best homie always says, buh-bye.
Scott (01:04:03):
Good night friends and
hey, as the best homie always
says, buh-bye, good nightfriends.
Hey, raiders, how does it feelto be the only team in the AFC
West in Cancun watching Buh-bye,buh-bye?
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