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Ballyraven (00:00):
8.53 am January 11,
1993.
Old Saybrook, connecticut USA.
Detective Holding (00:11):
This is
Detective Holding from the
Saybrook Police Department.
Today's date is Monday,54 am.
This will be a tapedconversation.
With the last name of BrittleB-R-I-D-D-L-E.
(00:32):
First of Ambrose A-M-B-R-O-S-E.
Middle of Gregory G-R-E-G-O-R-Y.
Gregory G-R-E-G-O-R-Y.
Date of birth 09-21-38.
(00:53):
Did I?
Did I say that right, brittle?
Ambrose Briddle (00:56):
Yes,
Detective Holding (00:59):
ambrose, I
just wanna Hmm,
Ambrose Briddle (01:03):
you can just
call Greg
Detective Holding (01:04):
Hm.
Ambrose Briddle (01:04):
You can just
call me Greg,
okay, um, as I was saying, whatI've done is I've turned on a
tape recorder so I can taperecord our conversation, because
you know, I'm not the best notetaker in the world.
What's this
about?
We'll get to that.
Uh, now, earlier, I advised youof your rights.
(01:27):
Is that not correct?
Yeah, that's
correct.
Detective Holding (01:34):
Okay, can you
speak up just a little bit?
It's a little hard to hear.
And have you ever lived in OldSaybrook?
Ambrose Briddle (01:43):
No, no, I don't
think so.
Are you sure?
Maybe when you were?
Yeah
, maybe when I
was very young, I don't remember
.
We moved around a lot,
Detective Holding (01:54):
okay, so,
maybe.
And now you live in NorthBrantford,
Ambrose Briddle (02:00):
mm-hmm,
Detective Holding (02:01):
and about how
long have you lived there?
I
Ambrose Briddle (02:08):
don't know,
over thirty years.
Detective Holding (02:09):
Have you ever
worked in Old Saybrook?
Ambrose Briddle (02:12):
No,
Detective Holding (02:13):
do you know
anyone in Old Saybrook, or did
youor?
Did you know someone?
Ambrose Briddle (02:18):
I don't know,
I'm sure Probably what's this
about.
I don't have long.
You said this wouldn't takevery long.
Detective Holding (02:29):
I just have a
few questions for you.
Ambrose Briddle (02:32):
Okay,
Detective Holding (02:34):
have you ever
had a job in New Haven?
Yeah
Ambrose Briddle (02:38):
, a few.
Detective Holding (02:40):
Can you give
me a list?
Ambrose Briddle (02:45):
I spent a
little time at a grocery store
and a TV repair shop,
dynamic TV service and Jim'scorner store, correct,
that sounds
right.
It's been a long time.
Who can say for sure?
Detective Holding (03:06):
You also
spent some time working for the
New England TransportationCompany, correct?
Ambrose Briddle (03:13):
Yeah, I think I
did spend one summer working
for
name or when, or exactly howlong.
I don't
remember a whole lot about that
one, just the summer, I think.
(03:36):
Not sure A long time ago.
I can barely remember that farback.
Detective Holding (03:54):
How old were
you?
Do you remember that?
Hmm
Ambrose Briddle (03:57):
, pretty young.
Detective Holding (04:01):
How about the
age of 17?
Does that seem correct?
Ambrose Briddle (04:09):
I mean, it's
possible.
I don't remember much from thattime.
I think it was later than that,maybe 20s.
I actually have thisconfirmation receipt with a
signature.
Does this look like yoursignature?
(04:31):
Hmm, could be,
hmm, surprised that piece of
paper has survived so long.
Mm-hmm.
August 12th 1956.
The New England TransportationCompany Hired by Dumont
Television Network.
(04:52):
6.15 pm.
Confirmation of shipment pickupAmbrose B.
Okay,
Detective Holding (05:03):
what was a
normal day on this job like?
Ambrose Briddle (05:07):
Well, we would
have a list of addresses and
then we'd pick up whateverneeded moving and take it
someplace else.
Detective Holding (05:18):
Did this
usually happen at night?
Sometimes?
Did you usually work with thesame people?
Ambrose Briddle (05:28):
We went to a
lot of places,
Detective Holding (05:29):
so you don't
remember any frequent clients.
Ambrose Briddle (05:34):
I mean, not
really.
There was this one furniturestore, sam, sam somethings.
Detective Holding (05:45):
When you did
these jobs, did you work with
the same coworker?
Ambrose Briddle (05:50):
I don't, I
don't remember.
Detective Holding (05:53):
You don't
remember if you drove with you
know the same drivers, or youdon't remember if you worked
with the same people every shiftor If you had like a partner?
Ambrose Briddle (06:04):
No, not really,
I don't remember.
Do you remember any coworkers?
No, it was too
long ago.
Detective Holding (06:16):
Not even a
name or two.
Maybe your boss?
Ambrose Briddle (06:20):
No, I have a
bad memory.
Detective Holding (06:25):
What about
the television studio?
Do you remember going there?
Ambrose Briddle (06:29):
No,
Detective Holding (06:32):
you don't
remember that place at all.
Ambrose Briddle (06:37):
No,
it sounded like it was sort ofan unusual thing that happened.
I don't
remember anything about it.
Detective Holding (06:47):
There were
over 700 unspecified boxes.
That's a lot for two guys.
I'm sure there were someexciting things being moved
around.
I feel like that's prettyunusual, pretty memorable.
Ambrose Briddle (07:02):
I'm sorry, I
just don't remember.
Detective Holding (07:07):
Maybe you saw
whomever you were working with,
take something they weren'tsupposed to Is you were working
with, take something theyweren't supposed to
Ambrose Briddle (07:17):
Is.
Is that what this is about?
You think I saw someone thatlong ago.
You think I saw someone stealsomething.
Detective Holding (07:30):
Maybe you
took something, maybe you both
took some things together.
I imagine there were some veryvaluable items.
Ambrose Briddle (07:39):
I never stole
anything,
Detective Holding (07:43):
so you do
recall that day a little.
Ambrose Briddle (07:45):
No, I've never
stolen a thing in my life.
That's ridiculous.
Detective Holding (07:54):
So you don't
remember anything about the day
you went to the televisionstudio then?
Ambrose Briddle (08:00):
No, no, no, no.
There were drives all the time,several times a week.
They all blended together and,like I keep saying, my memories
not the best.
Detective Holding (08:20):
I am sorry,
mr brittle, I mean no offense.
I'm sure you understand, thoughI believe you, I really do.
Ambrose Briddle (08:29):
I just like I
can't do I just I don't know
what you want from me.
I don't, I don't know anything.
There's so many memories that Idon't.
I forget things all the time.
Yes, I understand, I have ahard time remembering what I had
(08:52):
for dinner yesterday.
Nevertheless, 30, 40 years ago,yeah, however, I believe you
remember this day,
what?
No, I already.
I already told you,
Detective Holding (09:12):
like I said,
I find that hard to believe.
Do you recognize this man?
Ambrose Briddle (09:24):
I don't know.
No, no, I don't think so.
Detective Holding (09:28):
You don't
recognize him.
Ambrose Briddle (09:30):
No,
Detective Holding (09:32):
you know.
That's not true.
Ambrose Briddle (09:35):
I don't know
him.
Detective Holding (09:37):
Look at him
again.
Look, look at him again.
His name is Paul Lawrence andyou knew him.
Ambrose Briddle (09:47):
No, I've never
seen this man.
I can make things verydifficult for you, mr Brittle,
now I know you're a good guy andI don't want to make things
difficult for you.
Lying during an investigationis a crime.
(10:07):
Do you want to go to prison atyour age?
This is crazy.
I don't know anything about
he was on that job with youthat night, wasn't he?
I don't think
so.
I don't remember him.
I don't even remember beingthere.
Detective Holding (10:30):
Says so,
right here, you were there.
You both were there,
Ambrose Briddle (10:34):
where I don't.
I don't understand why you'reasking me questions when it
seems like you already have yourown answers.
I don't have time for this.
Detective Holding (10:48):
Sit down, mr
Brittle.
You can't leave.
I'm
Ambrose Briddle (10:53):
not going to
put up with it,
Detective Holding (10:54):
sit down, sit
down.
Ambrose Briddle (10:56):
I'm not going
to put up with it,
Detective Holding (10:57):
sit down, sit
down.
Now.
I know who you are, where youwere and who you were with, and
I have a pretty good idea ofwhat happened.
Ambrose Briddle (11:13):
I haven't done
anything.
Detective Holding (11:14):
No, you had a
chance.
You had a chance to talk.
You had a chance to talk a longtime ago too, didn't you?
Ambrose Briddle (11:22):
I,
no, don't answer.
Like I said, I know you're agood guy, so I'm gonna wipe the
slate clean and give you anotherchance to explain yourself,
explain what happened.
This was only a few hours afteryour shift
(11:43):
Officer.
I
I'll give you a few minutes totake a long look To remember Mr
Lawrence and what happened tohim
.
Detective Holding (11:53):
What, maybe
you know, someone else did to
him.
What maybe you did to him.
What maybe you did to him.
Ambrose Briddle (12:01):
No, no, I
didn't.
I did not
Detective Holding (12:04):
Take some
time to think about it.
Ambrose Briddle (12:06):
No, can I?
Can I?
It's okay, stay here, I'll letyou compose yourself and I'll be
right back.
Can I get you anything?
Can I get some
water?
You want some water?
Okay, I'll bring you some water.
But listen, this is veryserious, very serious.
(12:31):
When I come back, if you tellme any more lies, no more
chances.
If I were you, I'd tell thetruth.
If you help me, I can help youDo the right thing.
(12:56):
I can't do this
again.
I can't do this again.
I can't do this again.
I can't.
I can't do this again.
I can't do this again.
I can't do this again.
I can't.
I can't do this again.
I can't do this again.
I can't do this again.
Ballyraven (13:26):
Detective Holding
was working on a cold case from
1956.
Pouring over what files andphotos were left, he discovered
an error.
Ambrose Brittle was neverinterviewed, at least no
evidence of one remained.
Brittle was an obvious suspect.
First, he was with the victimthe night he died.
Second, he was a co-worker.
(13:48):
And third, he immediately quithis job the day after.
It seemed blatantly obvious.
An impatient, fidgety old man.
The out-of-the-blue inquiry.
When is Holding expected?
Not well, unhelpful andunwilling to answer anything,
(14:10):
holding was certain that Brittleknew more.
He knew something.
He didn't think the man was akiller.
But there could be a raresurprise.
He just, he just didn't seemlike a killer.
Faced with the evidence, heexpected the man to break, but
(14:35):
not in the way he did.
Coming back with water and morecrime scene photos, ambrose's
mood had changed.
The man's eyes bulged and hesobbed.
He cried.
Is this another test?
Just tell me.
Over and over, he yelled Iswear I wouldn't.
(14:57):
I swear I wouldn't.
Over and over.
Eighty-two minutes into theinterview there was a knock at
the door.
Two men in dark suits stood onthe other side, along with the
police chief.
They ushered Holding out of theroom.
Brittle stretched, looking intothe hallway after him.
He then hyperventilated andbegan to incoherently screech.
(15:24):
A week later, an explosion inthe sky rattled the city.
Neither seen nor heard, it wasonly felt as a pulsation of air,
a minor local earthquake.
The odd atmospheric event spittiny glassy red cubes
periodically from above.
Holding's father insistedsomething similar had happened
once before.
(15:44):
It was some sort of crystallinemeteorite.
Pieces of it fell.
For years People would skywatchhoping to catch a sliver of the
glassy rock, or at leastanxiously hope to avoid getting
hit by them.