Beefs and Other Things

Ep.16 Beefs and Other Things

In this episode of "Banta with Toni and Mimi," our hosts dive into the hottest pop culture moments of the week. Toni and Mimi catch up on the latest happenings and provide their takes on the most talked-about feuds and stories. From the ongoing beef between Nigerian music giants Wizkid and Davido, to the lyrical sparring between Kendrick Lamar and Drake, and the shocking revelations surrounding Diddy and Cassie, no stone is left unturned.

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Banta with Tony and Mimi. A cross generational
conversation between a millennial.
Ha, this is not a season for vegetarians.
This is the beef season, becausebeefs are popping up everywhere.
Everybody's eating steak, hey. And a genzier.
The only goes is only there for you.
There's not enough for all of us.
So every Sunday I go catch. They just get past us.

(00:21):
They go to you every Sunday. It's you I pick you that will
scream. OK, sure, sure.
Dang. Kick back and enjoy as we laugh,
feel and heal. Hello everybody.
Hello. Hello.
Welcome back to another episode of A Banta With.
Tony and. Mimi.

(00:42):
I was giving you a chance for you to be the one.
Mimi and Mimi and Tony, Yeah, Yes.
It's a new episode. It's a new day.
It's a weekend day. It's a weekend day, yes.
So we're ready to record and, you know, rest right back up.
But other than that, how have you been Mrs. O Beta?

(01:04):
Life has been life in, but life in in a good way.
Not like life in like, where I feel like I can't handle it, but
it's just like, you know, it's been chugging along and the
train is still going. Yes.
Chuga chuga, chuga, chuga chuga.Chuga Yeah, I agree.
I would say the same thing. Doing well, doing swell.
And not doing swell. Doing well, Swell and splendid.

(01:27):
So yeah, I'm just, you know, life's been lifing and I'm just
catching the vibe of what it hasto bring.
And I'm in the moment, but not too focused on the future or the
past and just keeping myself saying in here and happy
present. So well, yes, your present is
the present. The present.

(01:47):
No, they said the present is thebest gift.
That's why it's called the present.
So yeah, your present is the present.
Yes. OK, I concur.
I concur. OK, I'm really tired and when
I'm tired I do work for me. She wears so she makes whatever.
Comes out of this episode. Just know it's what Tony sounds
like when Tony is tired. So yeah, yeah.
I'm rested up, so you know. You can balance me out.

(02:10):
Then when I'm going off a tangent, you can, just like
okay, reel it in. Like, right back to.
Back to the. You are doing just what I'm
doing. We both can't be random like.
This so tired Tony is like, normal me.
Me. Oh, OK, so imagine me when I'm
tired. Oh, then I don't know what you

(02:30):
are. You're quiet.
True. You don't say much.
You just kind of get Moody and you just kind of.
Oh, she clocked. Her.
Oh my God. Do get Moody.
Yes, you do. I've lived through it because
I'm like, what the heck is goingon with her?
OK. I I didn't sleep last night.
I already had three hours of sleep.
Oh my. Like Mimi, how are you?
OK, What you doing fine. Where you going?

(02:52):
I don't know. I do that.
Yeah, one word answers and I'm like, oh right.
And the sun didn't come up today.
Yeah. Oh, I did not.
Oh wow. Y'all.
Yes to that. That's what I've noticed about
you. OK.
Well, what do you talk about today?
Oh my gosh, so much has happened.
Literally, the the world is. Popping on an act.

(03:14):
The world is popping. I mean everywhere.
Ha. This is not the season for
vegetarians. This is the beef season.
So if you know that you are vegan or vegetarian, this is not
the season for you. Because beefs are popping up
everywhere. Everybody's eating steak.
Hey, gosh, I mean, Davido and Whiskid are beefing because I
guess somebody asked the Whiskidabout when he's releasing the

(03:37):
album or something and he's likebegged me nicely.
And he had a video of Davido that's been circulated online
where David was like begging on his knees.
And apparently that was him begging a side piece 0.
That's really embarrassing. Wait, what the heck?
So for Whiskid to use that video, I know it was so uncalled
for us. So David was like, what?

(03:58):
What the heck? Like, how did I enter this
conversation? And he's like, oh, I guess
you'll have a new album coming out or something and you need
some publicity. Wait, so that you just.
Start so a fan or somebody? It started on Twitter.
Oh yeah. So why does he believe something
from Twitter was scared? Why would you believe that?
I've seen the video, it kind of does look like the video, but
these days I don't know everything, but yeah.

(04:18):
I'm saying like if it didn't come from Davido of himself and
it. Wouldn't come from Davido
himself. It wasn't like somebody leaked
it. Like the girl who he's begging
in the video is the one that leaked it.
Yeah, it's like. Shaking my head.
It's just so shady. Like why would you just
randomly? First of all, it means you would
have downloaded it for it to be on your phone.
Yeah. So not only did you see that

(04:39):
video of Davido begging on his knees, I wish you would have
seen it. It's crazy.
I probably we can find it anyway.
Yeah, so he's begging on his knees.
Yeah. And then that's the one that we
could use. So even the Afrobeat artists are
beefing. And then Drake and Kendrick
don't. Mr. Duckworth and Mr. Graham.

(05:00):
We have ohh Lord that one was Ovi ho and see what did Drake
even say? Like that click like Kendrick
stuff. I don't even know.
All he said was mother I, motherI, mother I was whatever Drake.
You know what I realized, Wall? The last song that Drake came
out with was probably the only song in this entire beef that

(05:20):
Drake wrote. Can we clock that?
Please, I'm sorry. So not like one of my favorite
songs of drakes was like, back in the day, the Houston land of
Vegas. Houston land of Vegas.
Yeah, that was like one of my favorite, like.
And I think that's kind of even what Kendrick said.
Like we liked you better when you were, you know, singing and
vibe. Elotic.
Drake really used to be like theand he still is.

(05:40):
I'm like, he's, he's. Gone.
More than just an option. Yeah, he's like the he was like
the rapper for the girls. Like, you know, he was, he was,
he was he was exclusively makingmusic for the girls like and
then. Lover boy until you.
Keep on it to be gangster all ofa sudden and have St. cred like
stay in your lane Sir and so. We get dipping into other
places, but you just kind of lost the original jerk.

(06:02):
Yeah. And then now you just look like
you're lost everywhere. And every time you make music,
it's just like he does genres now.
But like, it never sounds like Drake.
It always just sounds like he's.Just biting whatever the latest
sound is from the individual. And I think that's not the
essence of what Kendrick is saying is like when you hear
Kendrick Lamar. Because even first of all, his
black side needs to have a conversation with him about

(06:24):
these slave references and all that, that he's saying yes,
because saying that, you know, he sound like he's trying to
free the slaves. Like that was not.
Sir. Because he never gave that just
because he made all right. Just because he cares about his.
He wasn't Black Panther. He was like, I get what he's
trying to say. He's trying to say Kendrick the
way he could have done that. This was say like, why are you

(06:45):
so serious? Because I feel like essentially
that's what he's saying, Like, you know, but it's just the
choice of words that he used. He could be like free to more of
a jovial person and you take everything so seriously, OK,
Relax, breathe, chill out bro. You know Jake, just pay me to
come and help you and decent. Yeah, because I can help you
with some good ideas. I even, you know some bars.

(07:06):
Can we come up with some bars? Can we?
Yeah, let's write you some bars.But what was the first one?
Because it was push ups. Yeah, and that's a crazy thing.
Like, I didn't listen to his original song.
I listened to the Kendrick song that was on Metro.
Boom. Oh yeah, that one.
That was on his album with Future and.
Did you talk? What did you do not hate the
What did you do? Kendrick came out first with

(07:26):
that, then Jake came out with push ups.
Oh, Oh, yeah. It was Metro.
Came out with his new album. And that song was on there.
And when I listened to that songwith Metro Woman and Future, I
was like, Kendricks part is kindof like afterthought in the
song. Like it.
It still was a good song, but I was just like, oh, it's kind of
just there. And then that's when J.
Cole came out with his thing. And then.

(07:48):
I didn't even like. I know J.
Cole was in this all, but like, I didn't even hear his stuff.
I heard his stuff. What was he even saying?
Ohh, yeah, he said. Kendricks fans were lying to
him. His last albums have been whack.
His first album was the best, like, but in the whole time,
like, he's still like, but that's my man, though.
Like, I still love him like, ohh, so how you dissing

(08:08):
somebody? But exactly so he did what he
was supposed to do. He's like, look, I'm back.
I'm backing out of this, 'cause it's not even in my spirit, you
know? Yeah.
That's a guy, yeah. So that was that.
And then the pushups came, and then euphoria, euphoria came,
and I was like. Yeah, ohh, not about that.
That thing was so layered it. It was.

(08:28):
What is it? The bright?
What is the bright? What is it?
The. I don't wanna work with me, OK,
yeah, he snapped. It's like when he just entered
another level of, like, rapping.Like there's like, oh, this is
what great rappers sound. Like like I might.
And then Kendrick is like, let me just take it to like 1000
levels. Yeah, laying.
That's him. That's Kendrick being himself,
like as an artist. And his artistry is already like

(08:50):
above, average and above. Actually, it's above greatness.
So it's like. You know who used to be good at
Entendre is like that? The great man Lupe Fiasco.
No, When I think about, I mean Jay-Z stuff will get you
thinking because you'll put stuff in there.
But Lupe Fiasco used to be really good.
You don't know Lupe Fiasco. Is Fiasco Lupe?
Wow, I don't know what. I guess I'm aging myself.

(09:13):
Nothing about that. No, nothing about that.
Oh my. Gosh, how does somebody get a
diss song to be played in the club like?
Pocket. And then he did?
No, that just shocked me. What was it?
Meet the Grams. Oh, Drake.
But. You made family matters, so that
was. Retaliation.
But 'cause even family matters. It's like, oh, he talked about

(09:33):
your family. No, Drake, if I was you and
Kendrick didn't meet the Grams, I would actually go into like,
hibernation and never come. Back 'cause why 'cause they said
he he went. He's been in Canada this whole
time now and. He posted that.
He posted some weird stuff on his story like boy, he's trying
to act like he doesn't care. And yes, he we, we know you know
what's going on. Like stop.
But he went for your moms, your pops, your son, your alleged

(09:55):
daughter, and then you, my and your friends and all your
associates. Yeah, you were assassinated,
like. The fact that you even thought
you could battle a Kendrick, I mean, I'm so proud of you to
have faith in yourself like that.
You know, one day I'll be like, I just want to have faith in
myself, like a Drake having faith in himself during this
speech. Confidence.
I want the confidence because heknew his writers could do such

(10:18):
great work and he had faith in them and then they all left and
he had to write that last song and we could see the result from
that. So even he told on himself on
that last song, he said it's notto get out the pen again.
No, Drake. Yeah, you know, he's the one
that to have the latest song 'cause after that Kendrick is
like, there's nothing left for me to.
Say wait, so OK, so it was the Metro song.
And then push ups and then euphoria, and then family

(10:41):
matters and then meet the Grams,and then whatever.
Did Drake do something? Yeah, he did the heart Part 6.
Nobody cares. And then he did not like us.
And then Drake has something newafter.
Not Like Us because. Yes, the heart Part six came out
after because what Kendrick did was he do.
So Kendrick did meet pictograms and then not like us.
So hit him with a double. Yeah, Yeah.
And then on not like us. He's like, how many of these do

(11:03):
I have? He's like 5678.
So he's pretty much saying, like, I have a whole album of
these songs. If you want me to keep going, I
can keep going. Like, just the calculatedness of
it all. Like, 'cause he was, this man
was playing chess from the beginning, he actually knew how
this was gonna end up, 'cause hetold him that in the 6:00 AM in
LA. Six what?
What was it, 616 in LA? That song that he had on
Instagram? You didn't.

(11:24):
You didn't hear the Instagrams? Oh, the one with.
The glove, it was just the. Love.
Uh, huh. No, that's not like us.
I don't know. I.
No, no. Keep talking.
Yeah, it was 6. 19 in LA or something 619 in.
LA Yeah, yeah, it was holding. In that song, like I already
know your moves before you even make them.
Shy and it's Kendrick Lamar. And then Jerk was trying to,
like, not clown him but saying, oh, we know you're going to drop
another one. Yeah, he is.

(11:44):
And he has about 20 more. Exactly so.
And each one keeps getting worse.
So if I were you all back. Get in the booth or get out,
yeah. But he did get in the booth, and
that's how he came up with the Heart Part 6.
Did you listen to that one? Yes, I.
I'm talking about no, that's whyI'm saying that's the only one.
I believe that Drake wrote during this entire time, 'cause
that sounded so much like him, like he was trying to make
things happen, but it wasn't happening, 'cause he's like,

(12:05):
ohh, we planted the story about my child.
But then everybody that you're listening to is not even real.
So it's like, which one is it? Either you planted it or it was
it's a lie. It can't be both at the same.
Yeah, 'cause I was like, bro, And first of all, that's just
it. Just gonna be mad when I heard
that he said that because it literally just sounds like
somebody whose business got leaked.
And then now it's like, Oh no, we finna say, Oh no, we planted

(12:27):
it. I was like, exactly.
Are you trying to cover up? It's not corny.
It was. So corny he should have never
come out with that last song. Why?
Would Kendrick lie? I'm sorry, but like, why would
he lie in all of this? She already done talked about
your mom, your alleged daughter,your son did it while he just.
Is the disrespect. Yeah.
Think the Grams was just very disrespectful.
I'm not even a man. Yeah, and I'm disrespectful when
I was. Because you're not only like
you're talking to my family, it's still centered around me.

(12:50):
Drake is still the center of it.But it's like, I'm just going to
go around everybody to get at you.
Like, it's so disrespectful. That's what I'm saying, 'cause I
like he went for moms, pops, son, daughter, and then you, he
left you like you for their Aubrey.
Dear Aubrey. But then here's another thing.
Here's another tank. Yes, this is all like, you know,

(13:11):
celebrity beef size or whatever.I was never really picking.
It was just Kendrick is a great lyricist, an artist.
I like Kendrick and Drakes music.
But then I think I saw somethingthat was saying like, you know,
it's very, um, how the world these days can be unserious.
But then they were talking abouthow we should take seriously or

(13:31):
the benefits of men coming at each other in the ways that they
did like to their own benefit ofhow they were talking about how
Drake is allegedly a pedophile and you know, in with the
teenage girls. And then Drake bringing up a
domestic abuse. Just the insensitivity about it
all and like people who listen to it and actually like.
But basically the whole point isjust that like obviously just

(13:54):
all of that was hidden, right? And it was just like men don't
call out other men for the things that they do until it's
beneficial, like for themselves.And it's, I mean, somebody was
one day going to teach a whole class using just this music
because we have to talk about inhip hop how women are
weaponized. So a lot of them weaponized then
weaponize women in one way or another.
So he did it. Obviously.

(14:14):
He's like, OK, I'm trying to save these girls.
Any woman that listens to his music, just know, like, it could
be your niece, it could be your like, you know, And then he's
like, well, what about Whitney? Is Whitney OK?
Is Whitney alright 'cause I heard you beat her, you know?
Yeah, it's just like that whole like you're getting at each
other using what happened to thewoman that they're actually.
Like, and that's a very essential thing in hip hop.
Yeah, it's always been that way,'cause it's like, if I want to

(14:35):
get at you, I'll be like, Oh yeah, I epped your, you know.
It's like huh? Yeah, guys, you said.
Oh, it's a So what now? Because and.
Then it be like me and the homies, huh?
You know that it's called gang, but okay, it's whatever.
It's like, oh, you just say that.
Exactly. So that's a part of hip hop we
need to change. Like, why?

(14:55):
Yeah, You guys always using US, yeah, as the center of like
dissing each other. And so then technically you guys
are not even dissing each other.You're just showing the lack of
respect that you guys have. Because yeah, at the end of the
day, that's. Strange that about each other as
men like, and I really feel likethat's the place Kendrick was
coming from, 'cause it's. Like as men too, yeah.
When he said rap is not my wholelife, I actually will be out
there as my family. But you don't know nothing about

(15:15):
that. Your son how to pray.
You know nothing about that. And like, 'cause like he was
saying, it's like he he doesn't need to do this.
Like this is just like his another extension of his.
Like you are a terrible father. Yeah, technically, you know, so
things like that, like calling each other out, like it looks
like you don't even read to yourson, 'cause then it made me go
and watch videos of Drakes son and like I guess he speaks

(15:36):
French and stuff and there was atime like when he couldn't read
and all this. Also, people were like, ohh,
he's a little too old for him not to be able to read and all.
I didn't know he came up with that song.
Whatever he say. I ran the boat and I drove the
boat. Yeah, I crushed the car and I
broke my iPad. Take it up, my dad and we took
the car, crashed the car, made the dark.
No way. Ohk.

(15:58):
OK, it's like, no, get him to read a book instead of making
this song. So.
Yeah, and that's that's just what like, 'cause at the end of
the day it's like fun to listen to these and it's entertainment,
but then like all the underlyingstuff and like cause at the end
of the day, they're celebrities,but they're not God like.
Exactly. Like, always humanize them.
Yeah, that's. That's OK.
Yeah. You should.
Nobody's above being criticized,being made fun of like, yeah,

(16:22):
it's part of what you sign up for when you come into the
public eye. So true as long as you know.
But then also as the audience, it's like humanize them because
you're so invested. Oh, Drake, said Brood Kendricks.
Yes, they did. But end of the day they're not
your like savior. Even Kendrick said that he has a
song in Mr. Morale and the height, the whatever stepper.

(16:43):
That's what more people need to be like.
Like that idea. Like you cannot speak to that it
up. But he is not your savior.
But like these people are. They're beefing, right.
We're watching them beef doesn'tmean that they're all all hail
Kendrick, all hail drink. It's just the Internet.
It's just who I prefer. Yeah.
I like Kendrick's style of rap. That's always been my favorite.
I like rap That gets me to thinkI like rap that's layered.

(17:05):
I like rap, where every time when I listen to it, I hear it
in a different. Like, it's art.
It's poetry. Yeah.
So true art in any kind of form.You rediscover it time and time
again, right? So that's what I like about
that. And then that's really what
Kendrick was saying, because he's like your core audience.
Like, you make music that, you know, gets them going party.
And I make music that makes themthink like one is not better

(17:27):
than the other. It's just about what you prefer
as an individual. Yeah.
And I think it's also a generational thing because I
feel like people from your generation is going to prefer
the drakes because it's like, I just want music.
I can bop to like all my time inthe club or parties.
It's Drake's stuff because, yeah, you're not going to hear
Kendrick's stuff at the club, like, until not like US came
out. Exactly.
And that's why he did. He's so smart, 'cause I know

(17:48):
he's heard the criticisms like, oh, OK well, Kendrick just makes
serious music, which is what I think Drake was trying to say
with the whole slavery thing, but wrong choice of words.
So Kendrick is like, watch me make a bop a party song and show
that I can do exactly what you do, but I just choose not to
because, again, I want to put something good onto the world
and true, true art that enlightens people.

(18:08):
Yeah. And look how he did that.
Yeah, they're playing in the clubs, bro, and they're still
dissing you as well. They're singing all.
The hoe. It's like, that's really
embarrassing. Oh my gosh.
Like, wow, there's still, like, the whole club is Oh yes.
TikTok ain't real. TikTok ain't real.
I say that all the time because why are people out there creep

(18:29):
walking? In the like LOL and then oh and
that was another thing. It was like, oh, he also did not
like us and it's a West Coast song.
He's from the West Coast and he's like, I'm going to diss.
You make a song, they can play in the club, have people in the
club still dissing you while they partying.
But then also this is for my people.
Like, yeah, he we're going. To make your Toronto music.

(18:50):
And he couldn't even do that. Can this is the sad part, Like,
I have heard criticisms about that 'cause people are like, OK,
what does Toronto raps sound like?
What does you know? Because OK, I'm gonna put you
on. So obviously Nigeria is always
gonna be at the center of West African music.
So like, am I? Do you know who am I?
Is OK, that's an African Nigerian rapper.
Ill Bliss. You know.

(19:11):
Oh my gosh. He was even rapping back in the
day. And like Ebo, I think he he is.
He's a evil cause like Chuku. And then he says he like, he's
one of my favorites, too. But, like, I'm saying that
because there are rappers that Ican think of that are
representative of our African culture.
And a black sheriff. Yes.
Good one. Black sheriff.
Yeah. From Ghana.
Yeah. And that's one of the things I
love about, like, one of the things that makes rap so good is

(19:32):
when the person is so authentic to themselves.
Like they come. From I love.
And then it oozes from it. Like, you can hear it in their
artistry where it's literally like, yes, he's a rapper and
he's from Ghana, but like, he's doing it like so, like nobody
else can do it. It can never be copied.
Exactly. And so it's like Drake, You know
that, right? And it's also like, what is

(19:54):
Toronto rap? What is like nobody?
Knows, right? That's what he needs to
discover. If I were him, that's what gonna
that is. What's gonna be my next mission
for the next album to give something meaningful like come
out here and show us what does Toronto represent and not you
trying to be like, you know, Atlanta rappers or Memphis
rappers or? That's another thing he never
she never came out the gate likethat anyway.

(20:15):
That's what I'm saying. So he that he goes back to
making music for the girls, right?
That he was originally doing? Hum de la who's over the beat?
Give us Houston, Land of Vegas Part 10.
Or if you really want to be a rapper, find your identity and
rap. And that's really what the man
is saying. So if you feel like Toronto has
a sound, we should be hearing itfrom you.
You're the biggest rapper out ofToronto.
Clock it. So what's the Toronto sound?
What's the Toronto vibe bring? It But is there one?

(20:36):
I wouldn't know because the man who's their biggest export has
not shown us anything he's trying to sound like.
Like everybody else, all he doesis rap about the fact that he's
from Toronto. But you don't sound like no
Toronto rapper. And I still have beef with Drake
because every single time that he had music with African
artists, he was never in the music video.
So that. Yeah, yeah, I noticed the
pattern. Yeah.

(20:58):
Whiskid, wasn't that all by his name himself, Had a song with
Thames. Did that song with Thames and
Future ever have a video? Hell to the no, given how big it
was. And I'm like, dude, why are you
playing us like this? Like, so you use us.
And even one dance Whiskid wroteone dance for him and that was,
like at the time, like one of the.
Oh yeah 'cause he's on the song.Dance.
Got in No video that big. Song.
Exactly. And he has big songs with

(21:19):
African artists. I'm like, why are they not good
enough for you to make videos with them, but they're good
enough for you to get the numbers that you need?
So that was my beef. And I remember like, writing
that on his page. And then people like, what are
you talking about? Blah, blah, blah.
I'm not for the people. I'm gonna say things that some
people are not gonna understand.And if you ain't got the.
Time of day to open your ears. And yeah, and that's because I

(21:41):
make up observations and I know what I've observed.
Only he can tell me why. Maybe he had contractual
obligations that made it difficult.
Or maybe he just felt like, Oh no, I just make music with
Applebee Brown artist. Exactly.
Chris Brown going exactly DO with anybody and especially if
it's an African artist, he's going, he's going to do after
Shana, he's going to, his choreography is going to be
dripping with Africa. So I just feel like he was

(22:03):
disrespectful whenever he workedwith African artists and I'm
sure. 'Cause if you wanted to, you
would, and if you cared you, youwould show, yeah?
And given the fact that some of his biggest songs that he had
war because of the African artist and he's chose not to
make videos with, that was literally.
The song of the summer for threeyears straight, every summer,
like it's like 2/6/2016. Thank you to whatever that was
the first time that made me takea step back from him, because I

(22:24):
was like, I always liked his music.
God's plan. That's still one of my favorite
songs, really. Like I said, I'm still gonna
listen to God's. Plan.
But even that now, I'm sure it sounds like somebody out there.
Really. I never did.
Yeah. So.
And then Quavo, did you see thatbeef?
I heard about it, but I never even.

(22:45):
First of all, 'cause it was over, sweetie.
I don't even know how it got started, even know.
All I know is I listened becauseI'm gonna do my research.
Like I said, I listen. Yeah.
She does the research job. And I listen to Chris Browns rap
and all I can say is whenever Chris wants to drop that rap
album, he can go ahead. Do that he should, man.
Ah, he said. When?
What's the name of the other guythat died that got shot?

(23:05):
Yeah. Takes like, Oh yeah, when he got
shot, we were hoping it was you.Yeah, I heard that.
I was like Chris Stiffer, Maurice Brown.
That mouth is. Maurice And she knows his
middle. Name.
That mouth is reckless. The last line when he's like,
you just got bodied by a singingand I died.

(23:27):
Chris Chris can rap. Like he I know this ain't gonna
be good for your street cred cause singing.
Was it a whole song that he cameout with?
I didn't. Why was I not away?
Are you? I don't know.
I thought, like, I heard of it, right?
Like I heard about it. I'm just not.
I was just not like invested in.Oh my gosh, you need to listen
to that. Because right, at the same time,
kind of like Dope Drake and yeah, they started so like.

(23:48):
Literally one week I was like Chris Brown is a rapper, OK?
And then like 2 minutes later the.
Because yeah, then. Drake, before you came, they
just. Took, yeah.
And then over the whole, Yeah. Can they have?
I was all in the chokehold. They had a song out loud.
So I listen to that one. Onika and Mega need to do a redo
because this is how you do beef clock it.
But actually it's Onika that spoiled the whole Dang thing

(24:09):
because she didn't take it seriously.
Yeah, I'm coming for that. People girl get a good foot.
It's like, so I need the girls to manufacture a beef cardi BI
need you to fight with somebody.What?
I don't want the girls to fight.Leave it to the men.
I don't want them to because I need them to sharpen each other.
Because at the end of the day, battle rap lays another art.

(24:30):
Yeah, it is. Also like pushes you like in
another stream of artistry? Yeah, because Megan can do it.
That's what I'm seeing. I feel like Megan was probably
ready to. That's how, Megan.
Battle with Nikki. And then Nikki didn't take it
seriously. Like Nikki should have come with
it. And then we could have had a
back and forth. Like, to be honest, yeah,
sometimes the girls, you know, we've heard about how
everybody's stuff is wet. We've heard about how because

(24:50):
that's how the rappers do. These wake that tea up.
We know it's wet. How many ways are y'all gonna
tell us next? He said My Gucci fat, is that my
we know it's wet. We.
We know fat, we know it's juicy all the ways that y'all.
We know, we know. So the badonk in the back.
Yes, we know your booty shakes. We tell.
Us some other stuff. Now bring some substance.
I need the women to bring some substance forward, OK?

(25:13):
But yeah, that's also true. But then it's also sad to see
that that's the only way they can even like, get their name
like on the screen. I'm like, what is this
generation of rappers gonna be known for?
Yeah, talking about their cooch.OK, so I think it's like more so
because that's also a factor fora woman in rap.
But I feel like the woman in rapkind of need to like, drop the,
like, chase for fame so much because I know he's a man, but

(25:37):
somebody like Kendrick Lamar, he's like truly an artist,
right? If you were truly an artist and
didn't want to chase the bag or didn't want to make it the, you
know, biggest name in hip hop, that's just going to come to you
if you just literally stick to, like, really strengthening.
Craft. Like you?
Exactly strengthen your craft. And like that's how you's on the

(25:57):
bees. Maybe because I?
Finally listened to Boa by MeganItalian and I was like, I know
you can do better, Meg. Yeah, I didn't.
I like the beat. Yeah, there are parts of it that
I like. I.
Think I'm gonna go to the tour. Oh yeah, I know this.
She's coming. Temps is coming.
Yes, I'm gonna go see temp, but that's in the fall, right?
But still. No temps is coming this summer,
I think no, in August. Oh yes, August.

(26:18):
That was September. I was looking at it at the time
I actually signed up to get the VIP tickets and they were not
that bad, like 100 and somethingdollars.
So I could actually go. Yeah, the regular tickets are
like 50 bucks or something, but now I'm sure it's sold out.
And then I've been to that venuebefore.
I think it's the venue I'm not too excited about.
I know I'm saying small because I went there for Tiwa Savage and

(26:39):
you're gonna stand up the whole time.
I don't mind. Yes, I do.
And you need to be there early so you can be there up front
because everybody gets the same spot.
So it's literally about who getsthere first.
OK, super early. Then you can be towards like
'cause I was like maybe 3 rows away from the front because
that's how early we got there. Whole time, OK.
I guess it's because it's her first headlining tour.
That always happens. The venues are gonna be small,

(27:00):
'cause. I was like, if it was Toyota
Santa. I know my little Rd. that I like
to be. That's on the side.
OK, so can we collect that? She's like, I know my little, so
she's just, yeah. I'm like 1/16 1:17.
That's my section. Never stuff at the Toyota Toyota
Center. Yes, you did.
That's why we went for burner, boy.
Oh, that was. Trans.
Those are the seats that I like to buy.
Toyota Center. Uh, huh.
Burner boy was Toyota Center, I lied.

(27:22):
And you see how that's a good place.
Yeah, that was. Not too expensive, but it's
like, right? Yeah, it was.
He was right there. Exactly.
He's close enough. But then I don't like being in
the cause. I've seen so many incidents like
that's the whole thing that happened with Travis Scott.
Oh yeah, with the when people got.
Yeah, Because people can be crazy.
I don't need nobody pushing me. I.
Don't mind screaming a Little Tim song from back behind.
Yeah, honest. So we'll see.

(27:43):
I'm talking all this now. I'll probably end up going
anyways and just going super early and being close to the
front like Timmy Ladder. And then she's like, hi Auntie,
oh oh Lord, oh Lord. When I look at everybody's
Miami's age, I'll be like I'm inthe wrong place at the wrong
time. It's gonna happen.
This is not my generation anymore, but I want to see
Thames live at least once and like just her aura, her vibe, I

(28:06):
want to explain. Me then that.
Yeah, me too. Yeah, go.
I know I'm just dragging my my feet right now, but I'll
probably yeah, I'll get over it.I'll wear some cute tennis
shoes. There you go.
Yeah, and some shorts. It's going to be Houston hot
summer anyways. That's probably my only thing I
can wear. A girl summer tour.
It's a Dang tank top, some shorts and some sneakers.
But cute. And you know, she gonna make it
cute, she gonna dress it up. Yeah, we gonna make it happen.

(28:28):
Well, yeah. So yeah, everybody was beefing,
hey? And then yesterday.
Oh, what happened? I was on my way.
So this card had a post on Instagram.
I said, oh, who's B Scott? He's like a gossip columnist.
I remember back in the day when I told you I was trying to,
like, create like a gossip blog when I was coming up, when the

(28:48):
Internet stuff was happening, there was like Perez Hilton.
That was the time that, uh, huh.So B Scott was another one.
Jason Lee. Like, yeah, all these media
people and you just create your website and you just post your
stories and stuff on there. So Beast Cotton is another one
of those. So I follow his stuff and lo and
behold, there's the video of Diddy and Cassie.
Oh, of what? Where do you live?

(29:11):
Are you on Mars? Well, this is a good thing,
right? What the heck?
What do you mean of what? There is a video of Diddy and
Cassie. Diddy and Cassie were at a
hotel, Cassie according, becausethis now matches the part of her
lawsuit that she had talked about.
Apparently, she said Diddy was drunk.
He was, you know, whatever He was being a so she was trying to
leave the hotel room. The video depicts Diddy falling

(29:34):
Cassie outside because I guess he woke up from whatever his nap
or whatever and proceeded to snatch her bags, kick her stomp
on her. God, OK, well, I was not living
in the rock that I knew the Diddy stuff, but I just didn't
know there's a video. That, yeah, the video came out
yesterday And so that everybody's like, it's done for
you, bro. Bro, you're out of here.
Bro, you were over here talking about my legacy will not be

(29:57):
destroyed and it's like you did it.
And then for me it's it's like the sons even being involved, I
just feel like his protective capacity as a parent has been
trashed this whole time. Because if you know at the back
of your head that you did these things that this woman is
accusing you of, you would want your kids as far.
Away, stay away from. It but they're the ones that
were there when your raid happened and they got to be
arrested and put blasted in front of teeth.

(30:18):
I think, 'cause he's just thinking about himself like you
really very. Selfish.
Because if you say my legacy will not be destroyed, you
realize your kids are like your legacy.
So they should be literally as far removed from all this as
they can. Yeah, but he don't.
He's not even doing that. And then the other son, I've not
listened to his song yet, but apparently he had a song out
kind of taunting people saying ohh if there's evidence or

(30:39):
whatever it is. So I guess they brought out the
evidence there. I haven't listened.
Haunting. People how like.
Like just taunting the I guess haters, as you want to call it.
So he's in support of his dad? Of course.
OK then. At the end of the day, I don't
feel bad for you no more. Cause what are you doing so
'cause you're that close to yourdad.
You would know the truth too, Soor.
Your daddy lying to you? Either way, he needed to tell.
You know what, son? This is my battle to fight you.

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Stay away from it. Because at the end of the day,
Diddy knows exactly what he did and that's why he created that
persona of love and changed his name to love because he needed
to. Because I'm sure he's yeah, you
know, he was Puff Daddy, then Diddy, then, then recently.
Now he was being called love. That's because I guess he wanted
to embody love so much since he has done so many horrendous

(31:21):
things far. From it he.
Wanted. Yeah.
Stay away. Oh Lord, the fakery.
And I'm not talked about this upuntil now, but I'm going to.
Right. Because TD Jakes was one of, and
he still is one of my favorite pastors.
But this is where TD Jakes went wrong.
If you already knew that you were associated.
Yeah, he's feeling the backlash from being associated with Diddy
because he had so many pictures being taken with him and Diddy.

(31:43):
He even went to one of Diddy's parties.
And people are like, oh, what isa pastor doing at a party?
He said he was only there for like 5 minutes.
I wasn't there. I was not in the room.
It's not my place to. Yeah.
So this is what I have to say with that one.
I think when you watch Cassie's stuff, you get to see the
severity of the abuse. So one of the things that TD

(32:03):
Jakes did wrong was not acknowledging that, you know
what? I made a wrong choice by
associated with him with this individual.
I didn't do my due diligence. If he's saying like, OK, I
didn't participate in these activities.
But in that other lawsuit that Iread, the guy said, did he
befriended TD Jakes to help withthat image because he knew that
his image was kind of messed. Up standing next.
Exactly. If he's standing next to a

(32:24):
pastor, it makes him look good. So if you you can sense that,
OK, this person used me and I fell for the trap because again,
maybe I wasn't even being led byGod in that way.
I just wanted to expand my reach.
I wanted to get more followers. I thought if I had more people
in the hip hop world coming to my church, that will help in
some ways. And in that way my flesh led and
this is where it led me to, right.

(32:46):
So one first acknowledging the victims being like you know what
I know in the public eye I was associated with this human
being, right. But I can promise you guys I had
no clue. All the things that I'm finding
out now about this individual that was my fault.
That generation TD Jakes generation.
Sometimes they're not good at saying sorry and just being like
this is what I did was Jeff instead.
I feel like in December when he did bring up the issue he was

(33:08):
still very prideful in it. And this is not a time for you
to be prideful. It's a time for you as a pastor
to. Be like, yeah, I yeah.
I asked for forgiveness because I lacked judgment.
I made a decision based off of, you know, monetary gains or
whatever it is that I thought I was going to gain from this
relationship. And that clouded myself.
Now I promise not to be perfect.Nobody is expecting perfection.
Well, people are expecting that when you realize that you've

(33:30):
done something wrong, that you take ownership for it Instead.
He was like, because I did watchthat sermon where he came online
and he was like, oh, I'm flattered that people even
think, like, a man like me, my age will have energy to do those
things. And then he's like all the stuff
I've done for the community. And this is not, you know, the
things I get. And it's like, no, dude, this
was a missed opportunity. Very like defensive man.

(33:51):
Yes, it was very ego driven and this is the time that you
lecture ego and trip it all the way.
And I feel like, like we always talk about there's still chance
for redemption, but first place he needs to come and see is the
victims that I've suffered at the hand of this man.
I'm very sorry. And I understand me being the
public figure that I am and representing what I represent,
what that looks like, because it's like, yeah, I'm guilty by

(34:11):
association or I'm condoning this behavior.
I do not Condor anybody treatinglike he needs to literally come
out and say that. That's the first thing.
If he had nothing to do with it,well, truthfully, because maybe
that's why he's not saying nothing, because you had a Diddy
party. What you doing?
But hey, yeah. Exactly my hands.
So but, but that's what we're saying.

(34:32):
But not pretending like it doesn't exist.
I think it's served against him because you can tell like I
still watch church, the Potter'shouse and like you know Sarah is
preaching more or like the son-in-law will preach and you
know the other pastors will preach.
So he's not preaching. He's not preaching as much as
what he used to because, I mean,I'm sure the board or whoever is
meeting is telling him like stand back, this stuff is

(34:53):
affecting, you know, our bottom line.
So we we have to fix it. We just need to just keep you
away. But no, that's why he went wrong
that December sermon. He needed to come with more
humility and he didn't have it. And I feel like his suffering
would have actually ended right then and there, 'cause he could
have like, you know what? I'm taking an L because in me
trying to expand my church, thisis what it has led me to and I
totally apologize for it. And I can see now that I wasn't

(35:16):
being led by the, you know. Yeah, he should have done it
there because, especially if he knew he had nothing to do with
it, because you're also protecting yourself for what was
to come out of it. Like yesterday, a video.
Now actually he's guilty. Now your back out is going to be
way harder than you like I couldimagine.
And that was the perfect opportunity.
And he blew it. And I'm like, who is in your PR
team again? You people all need to hire me

(35:39):
because I don't know who you guys have.
This needs to be my second career.
OK? At this point, I will tell you
guys what you should do because clearly the people you guys have
around you and telling you worthnothing.
And it's crazy because, like, hehas helped me, like, learn
through so much. Like, even the last book,
Disruptive thinking, I loved him.
And that's the thing. Like, that's the essence of what
he was saying that day. Like, he's done so much for the

(36:00):
community and that's great. But this generation, they're
looking for accountability. They're not looking for
perfection. Yeah, I feel like the old
generation is like that idea of like, perfection.
I put up this image that I'm right and I do everything.
Right that I am, yeah. This one, like I am always right
by me, whatever I do. Well, is right, Yeah, my way or
the highway. Yes, and he's given that off a
lot. Right, 'cause I think with our

(36:21):
generation we know ego exists. Like, you know, there's a time
to be prideful and standing who you are and whatever.
But then when you have done something wrong, there is no to
be egotistical about it. Because at the end of the day,
if you're standing in the room as like, quote UN quote the bad
guy, and everybody knows you're wrong, all it really takes for
the room to even look at you with a little bit more respect
is technology. Yes, you've done wrong.

(36:42):
Exactly. Then 'cause that also is like
tell. Like you can't force anybody to
do anything. But as long as you've
acknowledged, then the ones who you know, who actually can
stretch that forgiveness to you are going to follow you.
It's not like it's the end of the world, yeah.
But it's like as long as you've acknowledged that, you know, you
take fault in something. Yes.
And he made things worse for himself by not practicing that.
Because I think the old school way.

(37:04):
And we can even dig deeper and say it's a church way of doing
things, like creating all this persona and this perfectionism
and everything is great and whatI say goes and it's my way or
the highway, but it's like this generation, we're looking for
humanity. Yeah, I was really going to say
it's just also a matter of humanizing somebody.
Because we know because like, weknow you're not perfect, so
you're preaching your perfectionto us.
Is not going to ring true, or he's not going to penetrate at

(37:26):
all. Because we know you're not
perfect. You don't have to, you know,
give out all your skeletons in the closet.
But when we see that something is being done wrong or you've
obviously been in fault, say that 'cause everybody knows
you're not perfect. It's a teachable moment for
other pastors. He could have used that as a
teachable moment for Other. Pastors, if anything, that's
doing something like that will actually give you the respect or

(37:47):
whatever that you're wanting, not in a way that you have to
drive your ego in everybody's face to get it.
Yes. So it's like.
So hopefully his team gets it together and that man goes up
there and make another talk, 'cause he needs to after this
video comes out. Because this is the thing when
it benefited him. When Diddy was able to be at his
church, Diddy was able to be associated with his brand.
You know, it was a benefit to him.
So that was the other side of it.

(38:08):
Is that because you aligned yourself with this individual,
the good that came with it also,you get the backlash.
Dr. came with it. So now that the backlash is
here, it's your time to say, youknow what, I had a cloud.
In my judgment, I will make suresomething like this never
happens again. And then you can speak to that
part that I always sometimes I grapple with with American
version of church and there are some African churches that are

(38:28):
adopting it too. And I always find it
problematic, this idea of like we always want bigger and bigger
and bigger. Because tell me already was TD
Jakes not a household name? Did he really need a Diddy?
Diddy to be no. He didn't, but it's this idea
that he thought, you know, that will give me more access in
Hollywood. I will have more like, so this
quest for more that sometimes the church model has adopted

(38:49):
here in America, it's like you can't just open a church and
just be happy to have your church two years later from now.
You're asking your entire congregation, oh, I want to open
a second location. Then we want to have a third
location. Then we want our building to now
expand. We want to buy a football field
and now we want to fill it. Like, when are we ever just
content? Because that in itself is
sinful, right? The Bible that we're studying,
that's telling us to be content in the things that God gives.

(39:12):
US discontent. And then we are practicing this
idea of just constant expansion and bigger and bigger.
We're technically saying, like, we're never content.
So that in itself is like contradicting, you know?
Yeah, it can open up the conversation for so much, sure.
And I think it can drive the culture of the church in a
totally different direction. Where for the first time, you
know, if I have a small church in, you know, northern Texas,

(39:34):
and you know I have no inkling or want in my body for my church
to expand, it doesn't mean that it's still not worth something.
Yeah, it would serve a purpose, 'cause it's also telling about
you're also like, you're not dedication, but you're like
you're standing in your face. Like, TD Jake should not be
worrying about spending or needing, like you said, needing
Diddy to stand next to him to beseen at the.

(39:55):
You're already that. And also, why would you even
feel the need to do that in the 1st place if you were happy with
like where you were? And you know also about the
people? I think it's also like you're
forgetting, like you're a pastorto the people.
So did they ask for Diddy? No.
Nobody without it. Yes.
Yeah, we're here for TD Jakes, not TD and Diddy.
Like, no. So it was just that, like, also

(40:15):
very telling of how, you know, dedicated you are, 'cause, like
you just said, you have a small church.
You're even happy that you even have a church that people are
coming to. And his church is not small by
any number. No, I'm saying like the example
you gave, if you had a small church and someone like TD
Jakes, you're going around the world preaching to people in
anything. So you have an audience that are
looking up to you and actually are.
You know they're following you and they like what you do.

(40:36):
You didn't need no that. Was the devil tempting you?
Yeah, you didn't. Oh yeah, I was in discontentment
is a very tempting thing. First of all, you should
acknowledge that your discontentright 'cause there's
uncomfortability that you're going to like sit in if you
don't acknowledge it at first. The temptations that come your
way to grab onto an opportunity,like having Diddy somebody that
even before all this stuff was aquestionable person in hip hop

(40:58):
in the first ways. You attaching yourself to him in
whatever exchange that you were hoping for was temptation that
you fell for in the 1st place because you were feeling
discontent or uncomfortable in some way in your career that you
were already building. You already were a household
name. There was something you were
wanting more because all the things you had even accomplished
up until that point, you you just felt like, well, if I get

(41:19):
in good with these rappers, or Igetting good in Hollywood, or I
get in good in the LA scene or whatever, this will make.
So you were creating something that you didn't even need.
True. Right.
And that is how the devil works.And now look at where it got
you. But that's what I'm saying.
It's such a teachable moment. Like he can have sermons from
this. He can create something to
actually help other like because, you know, they always
think about, oh, what content can I make, whatever that means.

(41:41):
But in my head. She says.
Shake in my head. But no, I really feel like it
can lead the conversation for usto think about the American way
of us doing church and us gathering together.
Why have we allowed capitalism to hijack it in that way?
Because it's America. And then how are we moving
forward everywhere that we can learn from the TD Jakes thing?
To safeguard ourselves from making sure this doesn't happen

(42:02):
again? Because we can't say that we're
there to, you know, be a refuge to people of the world and then
in some way and capacity. Remember when I talked about
last week that if I'm born into something and then somebody has
a different circumstance, God has a different standard, You
know, God has a different standard for them than he has
for me. So yes, in some ways they always
say in the Bible equally yoked. Like, it doesn't mean I'm
prideful or I think I'm better than you.

(42:23):
But it's just that idea, like inthat moment, you were not
equally yoked with Diddy. You can still love him as a
human being because you're a pastor, right?
You didn't need to associate with him in a way.
Exactly. And the friendship, even in
itself, you could have turned down.
Yeah. He's like, I respect you, man,
but you know I'm focused on my did it or whatever did it.
It's like something you you could turn away.

(42:45):
Yeah. You didn't need it because at
the end of the day, it's not something that you initiated.
It was like is literally the. Part of this.
Plan. It was literally a definition of
temptation. Like he came to you with this,
whatever he wanted to attach himself with you with.
Literally there was an opportunity for you there to
literally like like steer yourself away from that.

(43:05):
But you fell into that. Like there was a path that you
took and not. Have to like and then, yeah,
exactly. He has to come to terms with
that for himself. And yeah, I know it's difficult
because then he has to come to terms to the fact that, yeah,
I'm sure the 1st place is disappointing yourself.
Yeah 'cause you did it you. Disappointed yourself, right?
And because what I think or whatyou think at the end of the day
doesn't even matter as much as disappointing yourself and then
having the conversation with God.

(43:26):
And those are the first two. And you know, I don't know him
personally, so I don't know if he's even and walk through that
yet. And then once you have done that
in that humility, then you come to the people.
And yes, so if by any chance he hears our little podcast, I hope
that he does come back and that he addresses the victims of this
thing because that's what I mean.
He does rehabilitation for people that have been

(43:48):
incarcerated. That's one of the big programs
that he does and all that. Like he does such good work.
Look. Exactly.
And I'm sure they're at the church their, their domestic
violence things, initiatives that they do.
So now you see how this is not like it was never on brand to
begin with. It's just not gonna work.
It's not. Good.
So please come back out and makeanother statement.

(44:10):
And please be humble. Don't come off as, you know,
being full and pompous and prideful, but really come out
and just be like, I'm sorry I had a lack of judgment.
I apologize. I will learn from this.
It will not happen again. And even apologize for the last
one and be like, I'm sorry that even it took me this long to let
go of my ego, but that's it. That's the only saving grace
here. That's my $0.02.

(44:30):
Yeah. And my dollar.
And my $50. And my $100.
Yeah, I'm not into the TD Jakes scene, but what she said.
Yeah, and we don't expect perfection out of preachers.
Keon and Henderson, Shawnee. Remember Shawnee?
That was with Shaq, her new husband.
He's a pastor. He's here in Houston.
So he was also on the news this week because there was a lady in

(44:53):
like the choir going like she was in the spirit or whatever.
But he says she does that every week.
So in the video, he's telling her like, hush hush, hush the
heck. And people are like, what the
heck? Why would he be talking to her
like that? And he's like, look, she has a
disruptive spirit. She's been doing this every
Sunday. And I had to get the room in
order. And that's why I told her to

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hush. And yeah, so there's like a
split because there are people like why would I attend a church
where the pastor talks to me like that, stretching me.
And then other people are like, yeah, they're those people that
catch the Holy Ghost every Sunday.
And Oh my God, we go to church enough that we know that some of
those same people catch the HolyGhost every Sunday.
We're like, the only ghost is only there for you.

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There's not enough for all of us.
So every Sunday you go catch right, Mike, not only you get
special connection to God, the rest of us, we are what?
Heathens. We're heathens.
They tried in. This Prince is looking at us
like. They just skip past us.
They go to you every Sunday. It's you I pick you that was
Scream Okay. Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.

(45:56):
Okay. Yeah, yeah.
It only comes to you. Sure, sure thing.
So we have to talk about the fact that, yeah, sometimes some
people's mental illness is hidden in church and catching
the Holy Ghost every week. Because it's not too bad it's
not. That it's a spirit, but I don't
know if it's a holy. Spirit.
Five years and he missed me. He didn't touch me.
Not once. Alright, alright, but got room

(46:17):
for you every week, every week. I mean, Oh my God, oh, that was
a good. Yeah, little.
So this actually just our like catch up session because when we
started this podcast we were like 4 episodes ahead.
Yes. And then life has been
happening. Like we said, life has been
lifing. Yeah.
And now we are literally recording it in real time.
So when we record something, probably.

(46:38):
Like out when it comes out before.
It comes out. Recorded job.
That's why our pop culture gets so aligned with, you know, we're
not talking about something thathappened 2 weeks ago.
Yeah, you know that Cassie videocame out, You know?
I asked. Yesterday.
Drake and Kendrick just kind of finished last week.
Like, come on, y'all. So yeah, but.
It's. We're not a whole month ahead
anymore. We're now in real time.
But you know, we're still uploading.

(46:59):
Yeah, I think it's a problem. Because we're still committed.
That's the discussion we even had today was that life is gonna
happen, but one of the promises,so me and Mimi are going to have
a moment of, like, honesty, so maybe share that she's good at
starting stuff, but she's not good at finishing it.
And I feel like I kind of have that same issue too.
Like for me it's like the planning, the energy that I'll

(47:19):
have and then like obviously as I go through the stuff, then the
energy kind of, you know, so it's like me having moments of
kind of rejuvenating myself. Our goal was to have 20 episodes
this first season and we're so close.
I think this is going to be likeepisode 16 or 15 or something
like that I. Thought we were like.
She said only. Because it was like, I swear
with three Epis goals, she's like five more left.

(47:41):
Huh. We still have 5 like 4 left.
I think this is going to be 15 or 16.
I'm not sure when we No, I thinkthis is 16.
Well, why can't we just check? Yeah.
So we're very close. So we want to make it to 20.
That's our first goal. And then next season, Mimi is
gonna be off to college. That's gonna present us with new
challenges. So the next four we need to
bring it. We gotta end the season on a

(48:02):
very Yeah. That's another thing, 'cause
when we plan our episodes, you know, we have our topics and
everything. I'm like, we don't talk about
everything. We don't have to pull out
something out of our boot, but I'm like, what else can we talk
about? We'll find something.
There's always something to talkabout.
I think we've had some memorable.
And we can always do like expansions of what we've talked
about for like revisit our like new viewpoints or something,

(48:22):
because we kind of did that withthe last one, because our first
episode was faith in the 1st place and we kind of revisited
that, not the same manner, but like, yeah.
So it's whatever we make it to be.
But I just want us to stay on the grind, stay committed,
regardless of what's going on inour personal lives.
And let me tell you, it's a lot.OK, we have a lot going on and
we're kind of like empathetic, you know, sensitive souls.

(48:45):
We're strong woman. But we're also, you know, we
have a lot of a tender and care that takes to us.
So when things happen, you know,it hits US like trucks on the
inside. So the energy that we muster
throughout the week to even keepourselves like, you know,
chugging through and then to come and do a podcast episode,
it's like, I think that that kind of plays into like the
weakness of like starting something and not finishing.

(49:07):
It's not from the terms of like we don't want to.
It's just that we're very like energetically like focused and
centered. When we're centered and
balanced, then we can do our best.
But then like when things throw us off, we need to recruit
before we can even do the next thing.
So I feel like that's what it isabout us that we share when it
comes to like so. We're trying to do better, yes.
That's one thing we have noticed.

(49:28):
We had this discussion where we said it's not always necessarily
about who's the best at doing something.
What we have found is that it's people that master the process,
right? And that's what really, for me.
I feel like I need to work on that.
And you can speak for yourself. Yeah, but I really want to
master the process with this podcast.
I know we're gonna work on videofor next season.
We already have a cameraman recruited.

(49:49):
So enthusiastic about it too. You ready?
So I'm excited for that, but yousee we're already growing a
little bit in that way. Yeah, committed.
Yeah, yeah. And another thing I think, well,
for me when I have like new ideas and I start something, I
guess another thing that kind ofplays into my energy dying down
is like the expectations that I'll set up about how this is
going to go. And then realizing that my

(50:11):
expectations, yes, they're made-up by myself.
But then like when you say mastering the process, having it
personalized like what I do to like get myself throughout the
week and keep my energy balancedand then versus what Auntie does
and then we come together and kind of plan together like you
know, she needs to sleep before here.
If I need a, you know, make sureI do this before I can even get

(50:33):
my mind right. It's like us, you know, kind of
helping each other and making sure that we're both good, and
then we come together and we create.
Yeah, 'cause last time we wantedto record.
But I knew that you needed that day kind of to yourself.
And I really appreciate studying.
And I was like, you know what? Just come over and just chill.
And we don't have to record today because at the end of the
day, we're doing this as a journey to help us heal.

(50:54):
So at the center of it really isthe two of us.
And if we're not good like mentally and everything else,
then how can we even help peopleout?
True, 'cause that's the focus, is that, you know, people can
see how we're doing it and be like, OK, maybe I can try this.
Yes, we hope you all really and.We are begging you, please share
us rate our show. Only 12 people have rated our

(51:14):
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Thank you, the 12 of you all that's done it.
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And we are working on this end on, you know, bringing stuff

(51:36):
out. We don't want to make promises.
We just want to drop things. Yeah.
We want to be like Beyoncé. Oh, I'm going to be like Beyoncé
and drop and just drop stuff. So like.
Guys, can we all clock right here?
I didn't say Beyoncé's name today.
Oh Lord, she was the one who. Well, we already know Beyoncé
needs to show up on every episode, so here we are.
Well, yes. Yes, we just need to just drop
things. Drop things like Beyoncé.

(51:56):
When we drop the little gems, we'll let you guys know, but I
think maybe we should go like before the season is done.
I hate y'all, yeah. Yeah, it would be so scary.
Scary. We're live because we're like,
what if one person, only one person shows up?
1. Person.
One person. But yeah, we need to get out of
our comfort zone. So I think we should do a live.
So we'll think about it. Pick a date and let you guys

(52:18):
know. Stay tuned.
Yes. But we appreciate you so far for
making it even to episode 16. That's awesome.
Thank you for lending us your ears.
Yeah. Week after week, yeah, listen to
U.S. chat and Banta. Yes.
And we hope that, you know, we left you with some things to
think about and we'll catch you on the next one.

(52:39):
Bye. Oh, we're trying to leave you
that song. We need music for the people.
Obviously this song All Day. My song recommendation is Got It
Good by Kate Renata and Craig David oh.
Craig David has new music. No, this was on Kate one of Kate
Renata's old albums. But.
Hey, I don't even know what I'vebeen listening to lately.
Oh, 01. Here comes the 1-2, the three,

(53:02):
two, the four. Shaboozi's new song, Tipsy,
which is like Chingy. I'm going to date myself and
it's OK. I've already acknowledged that
I'm always going to be dating myself.
But those who know Ching, Everybody in the club.
Yeah. Tipsy.
Yeah. Really easy.
Kind of did. Yeah.
OK Yeah. You know, he's from Beyoncé's
album. Yeah.
He has the number one country song.
Yeah. Uh, huh.

(53:22):
He has the number one country song right now.
And it's called Tipsy. Everybody at the club getting
tips. Oh, he did a country.
Yeah, because he's a country. Yeah, exactly.
Cool. Exactly.
I've been listening to it a lot.So yeah, Shabazzi Tipsy is my
song. And my gospel song of the week
is going to be another CC wine and song.

(53:44):
But it's from her new album and Miami is going to help me look
it up. That album has been blessing me
all week. Yes, come Jesus come, CeCe
Winans from her new album. That entire album I will
recommend. But yeah, I've been liking come.
Jesus, come by CeCe Winans. That's my gospel.
Song of the Week. Period.
Hi. Do you guys have a great, great,
great one and we'll catch you? On the next one.

(54:06):
Mama, rap for us. Rap us out.
Show Drake what he could not do.Come on, give us some bars.
Freestyle. Freestyle.
Pay Banta with Tony and Mimi on episode 16 and we ready to drop
a new one. Thank y'all, have a good one.

(54:29):
Bye. Bye y'all, bye.
You just finished another episode of Banta with Tony and
Mimi. We just want to say thank you
for taking the time out of your day to listen to our podcast.
Have a Blessed one.