Barriers to Entry

Barriers to Entry

Barriers to Entry is a design innovation podcast on the SURROUND Podcast Network. On each episode, we obsess over the not-too-distant future of the architecture, design and creative industries and the ideas, tools, technologies and talent that will take us there. Hosted by SANDOW DESIGN GROUP Chief Growth Officer Bobby Bonett, and digby co-founder Andrew Lane.

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April 8, 2026 40 mins

The Curse of Youth

This week Andrew welcomes Caroline Murphy, Design Engagement Strategist at SANDOW, for a conversation that starts with a familiar modern curse of youth: being the default tech support person in your family. From there, Andrew and Caroline dig into a bigger question—what happens when young designers are expected to master both design and AI at the same time?

Caroline shares how her own early-career frustrat...

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Architecture as a Startup

Season 4 opens with a milestone moment: Andrew Lane’s first solo episode as host. With a little encouragement from Producer Rob, Andrew welcomes back friend of the show Matthias Hollwich, founder of HWKN Architecture, for a conversation about why the architecture industry may need to reinvent itself entirely.

Matthias argues that today every architecture firm needs to think like a startup. With AI t...

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User-first

In a special NeoCon edition episode of BTE, Bobby and Andrew are joined by tech and design leader Chris Barton, founder of the renowned music app Shazam and Wednesday’s NeoCon keynote speaker. The trio dives into insights, stories, and observations from Chris’s impressive career in tech, which includes founding Shazam “in the 1900s” nearly a decade before the App Store existed, followed by roles at pre-IPO Google...

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Making Data Approachable

This week, Bobby and Andrew welcome a guest whose career arc has been about finding the fusion between art and data. From bringing data-driven experiences to life for everyone from IBM to the Masters to The New York Times, to dedicating time to her own personal and community projects, Mary blends two practices that many struggle to connect in the first place. Now, as an Experiential Creative Directo...

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The Architect’s Architect 

Bobby and Andrew once again have their hands full this week with a dynamic duo joining them in the podcave. Arktura’s Steven Ranta and HKS’s Nathan Ferrance sit down with the gang to explore the many challenges of partnering to create innovative work. It’s hard enough to do this on your own, but Arktura has made a name for itself by pushing boundaries. In this exploratory episode, we dive int...

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April 29, 2025 46 mins

Humanity-first

For an unprecedented third time, Bobby and Andrew are joined on the pod by ThinkLab President and Design Nerds Anonymous host, Amanda Schneider. In another of their always forward-looking conversations, the trio discusses the rapid adoption of AI in the design industry, the barriers to further growth, and how people could be the key to unlocking technology in the future. From there, they dive into the excitin...

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Where art meets innovation

Bobby and Andrew sit down with a leader who’s made his career on the cutting edge of technology, art and design while working with some of the world’s biggest brands and businesses. As the CEO of the experimental ‘new media’ company, Volvox Labs, Michael leads an interdisciplinary team of designers, technologists, artists and creatives who strive to create meaningful and memorable experiences...

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April 2, 2025 48 mins

“That’s the job”

This week, Bobby and Andrew have the pleasure of welcoming a leader who’s made his way up through the ranks of one of the world’s most prestigious architecture firms by doing it all. Eli Hoisington rose up at HOK working in nearly every facet of the design business, which today gives him a bold and informed take as Co-CEO. Peering into Eli’s data-driven lens on the future, they dive into what’s on...

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The Innovation Roadmap

To kick Season 3 off with a bang, Bobby and Andrew welcome not one, but two guests to the pod to get into the meat of how AI and human-centric feedback are driving innovation at one of the largest architecture design firms in the country, CannonDesign. CIO, Brooke Grammier and Director of Digital Products, Joel Yow, take the guys through a roadmap to remove barriers to their teams to pave the way...

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December 23, 2024 24 mins

All great end-of-year specials feature two parts. And that’s why we’re back with Part 2 of Barriers to Entry’s 2024 “Best-of” Clip Show. Andrew and Bobby are back together - and in the holiday spirit - revisiting some of the most memorable moments from the BTE universe in 2024. Hear from Federico Negro (Founder, Canoa), Amanda Schneider (President, ThinkLab), and Lionel Ohayon (Founder and CEO, iCRAVE, and co-Founder and C...

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December 16, 2024 19 mins

It’s Part 1 of Barriers to Entry’s 2024 “Best-of” Clip Show! Andrew Lane and Bobby Bonett revisit the year that was in the BTE universe. Listen in to the year’s most memorable soundbites and topics, featuring appearances from Kelly Knapp (Creative Director, ex-Sphere), Mathieu Lehanneur (Designer) and Eran Chen (Founder and Executive Director, ODA). Andrew and Bobby explore themes of creativity, outside-the-box thinking, a...

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November 21, 2024 44 mins

Enjoy Sense of Space by Turf now available on all podcast platforms.

An architect and designer are on a journey to help their community understand the nuances of designing for the built environment. Join Ella Hazard and Faraz Shah through questions and conversations while they explore all the stuff we interact with as designers, architects, and people.

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This week, Bobby and Andrew get into their flow state with an enlightening conversation about the intersection of technology and creativity with Magic Leap’s Joel Krieger. In a conversation that ranges from the benefits of stretching outside of your comfort zone, to the differences of the impacts of AR and VR in a creative process, to leaving the world a better place than we found it, we go deep with a pro who’s been on th...

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Launch and learn

In our third in a series of pods recorded live at NeoCon 2024, Andrew and Bobby actually don’t outnumber the guest as they’re joined by both Annie Ming of HBF and Cosmo Kramer of Bitreel to talk about how visualization technology is helping HBF re-imagine how to launch their latest product line, the Firma Collection. The conversation dives deeply into the journey of both sales reps and designers to tra...

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This week, Bobby and Andrew welcome a leader who’s obsessed with the intersection of architecture and technology and the evolution of the practice as a whole.  The founder of established firm, ICRAVE and more recently co-founder of innovative customer experience firm, Journey, Lionel Ohayon joins to share some powerful ideas on how everything is shifting.  Discussing everything how digital twinning can become the...

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Technology meets sustainability

This week, we’re back at the NeoCon SURROUND podcast studio with friend of the pod and two-time guest, Karli Slocum for the second of our 3part (see what we did there?) NeoCon ‘live’ broadcast specials. Bobby and Andrew hear an update from Karli on a range of exciting processes that 3form is implementing to make production more sustainable and how they’re pushing the conversation through...

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We’re keeping it in the (SANDOW) family this week as we welcome the Editor-in-Chief of Metropolis Magazine, and leading thinker on industry sustainability, Avi Rajagopal. Buckle up as the team nerds out with Avi on everything from how blockchain technology can impact supply chain, to judging the first Interior Design Metaverse Architecture & Design Awards, to what Indigenous culture is teaching us about how how to use AI. ...
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June 25, 2024 43 mins

A Designer and Product come together This week, Bobby and Andrew are live from NeoCon with a guest who’s lived the majority of last two decades at the intersection of design and technology, Canoa CEO and Co-founder, Federico Negro. A world-class storyteller, Fed takes the guys through his early startup ethos of “buildings equal data”, his time leading design through the explosive growth of WeWork and how a chair sitti...

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June 18, 2024 45 mins

Looking back and forward It’s a conversation wrapped in nostalgia when Bobby and Andrew welcome Mancini Duffy’s Bill Mandara to the pod. From remembering childhood aspirations through to the aspirations of the present, the conversation is one focused on being authentic and being willing to try new things. Bill shares how he and partner Christian Giordano have re-thought their business at Mancini Duffy to transfor...

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Influencing the Sphere

If finally happened.  After months of name dropping, Bobby and Andrew finally visited the Sphere and they brought along a new friend to talk about it.  Kelly Knapp has been at the forefront of immersive experiences for much of her career and she joins the pod to talk about the process of creating projects like Sphere, where she was a pre-launch creative lead, as well as a host of other excit...

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