October 2, 2023 • 60 mins
Jeff upsized to the iPhone 15 Pro Max in titanium titanium (what?) and has some thoughts, and perhaps just a tiny bit of buyer's remorse. We talk Action button, new cameras, and weight and size comparisons with his previous iPhone 13 Pro. Is it all enough to justify his upgrade? Maybe not.
Speaking of remorse, Tom ain't happy with some of the changes Apple has made in watchOS 10. With a new way to switch watch faces, removal of Favorites from the Timers app, giving Control Center a dedicated button, a silly change in the Workout app, and the double press of the Digital Crown no longer being an App Switcher, there's a lot different, and not necessarily in a good way.
We also talk a little about macOS Sonoma and iOS 17.
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iPhone 15: A Photographers Review - Tyler Stalman
watchOS - 10 Things I Hate About You - Reddit
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Tom (00:00):
15 inch.
All right, welcome in everybody.
Once again it is a new episodeof basic AF.
(00:21):
It's Tom and Jeff.
Jeff, how's it going, brother?
Jeff (00:25):
All right, man, All right.
It was just dancing like DonaldTrump did at that thing, Whoa
it was not expecting that youwere not paying any attention.
Tom (00:34):
I saw you dancing.
What I'm trying to think, whatI'm going to say as the show
Starts?
It's hard for me.
I'm not that smart.
Jeff (00:40):
And you can't do two things at once.
Yeah, I was.
I was doing the, for sure, notthe Trump tango.
Tom (00:45):
Well, so anyway, yet again friends, be glad this is an
audio show, not video.
And yeah, you were spared that.
I got to see it.
I'll take it for you there.
Oh yeah, at least I'm dressed,yeah, so welcome back to this
show.
We do appreciate you being herewith us For this one.
If you are new, welcome, andwe're happy to have you here
(01:06):
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Jeff (01:27):
That is correct.
You can do that.
By the way, we are a shownumero 19 man.
We're at the precipice of 20,which you know in years.
I might like that back and Iwould take it, yeah, I would too
in these brains so 20 in thesebrains, I think.
Tom (01:44):
In that first podcast we did back in 2011 With our friend
John I think, we got up to 30couple episodes.
Did we get that?
I think we did, because thatwas a weekly.
So we were doing that on aweekly, which is probably why we
burned out and just stopped.
Jeff (02:00):
You guys pulled me in later in the game because I do
not feel like I was.
I think we did 30 in.
Yeah, I think we got.
Tom (02:06):
You needed my brilliance to make it good taking next level
right, which is why I reachedback out to you for this one.
See so, but yeah that's.
If we can beat that, I thinkwe'll Run something anyway, but
yeah, yeah, maybe at least we'restill having fun.
I think, yeah, that's the mainthing Stop's being fun, we'll
just stop the show.
It's not like we're gonna money.
(02:27):
Probably not.
We got nothing else to do.
Yes, so the last show that wepublished Will be two weeks ago
by the time this one drops out,but that was the day that IOS,
ipad OS, watch OS, tv OS andHomePod whatever they call that
software these days we're allreleased then, and Just this
(02:48):
past week We've had Mac OS,sonoma released, the new iPhones
and Apple watches have shipped,so there's a whole lot of new
stuff, jeff, and so I figuredfor this show We'll just talk
about the new stuff.
You've got something new totalk about?
Jeff (03:00):
I do, I do, I picked up a titanium iPhone 15 inch and and
15 inch Dude.
I Swear.
You know I swear this everytime.
Maybe it's a lie.
I have not been drinking.
I I found 15 pro 15 inch, 15inch.
Tom (03:22):
MacBook.
I think that's the.
That's gonna be the next iPadsize, I think is like a 15.
Okay, so I'm seeing the.
If we had a bet book, we couldput it in the bet book.
We don't have a bed book.
Jeff (03:33):
I don't have enough money as it is, I need to be betting
what I don't have anyway.
Sorry, I phone 15 pro max, not15 inch, although you know who
knows, maybe someday that'll bea thing.
Did pick up in the titaniumtitanium.
I did have to wait for it acouple of days.
I went to the AT&T store,ordered it and I Got it.
(03:55):
This is the first time I'musing a pro max.
That's right.
You're up sized, correct?
I did up size and I will say itis not significantly different
than what I was holding when Ihad the last one.
I had was 13.
That I traded in with a leathercase on it.
(04:15):
This one is running aroundnaked, at least for the moment,
and the size is notsignificantly different than
than that.
So in my hand I'm not.
I thought it might be a little.
Okay, continue.
Listen, I wasn't being filthy,you are.
(04:39):
Right into it.
We had 15 inches in my hand,Sorry you don't lie much, do you
know not?
Much at all.
Oh hi this this one's off.
Tom (04:49):
We've fallen off the rails straight ahead.
Jeff (04:52):
Yeah, you're welcome.
Tom (04:53):
Thanks for hanging out with us.
We'll see you next time.
It's great.
Jeff (04:59):
So the phone in my hand is not significantly different or
doesn't feel significantlydifferent than the the 13 pro
that I was using before.
So it's nice feel the width isnot that big a difference.
It's taller, definitely taller,and that that is where the
(05:19):
biggest part of the differenceis.
Uh, one downside to this isthat in my car I now have to use
a plug to charge my phonebecause the it it had MagSafe
wireless charging in the car itno longer fits In the place
(05:41):
where it used to go.
It's a little taller andtherefore does not sit in that
spot.
It's not a big deal.
It just picked up the, you know, picked up a cable and plug it
in.
But it that is a thing, that isa thing it's important to know
too that often when I was doingthat wireless charging, the
thing heated up so much that itwould not Charge.
You know I got a little tootoasty, but you know small,
(06:02):
small potatoes as far as Iconcerned, uh, really loving the
camera, I think.
Did I send you picturesyesterday?
I don't think I did not yet.
No, okay, yeah, I um.
So not quite the harvest moon,we're almost there, but last
night I was walking home and, uh, the moon was up over the
mountain behind my house, took anice little picture which I'll
(06:24):
send to you.
Tom (06:25):
Used the wait, that one you did send.
Jeff (06:27):
Yeah, I did.
I sent you the moon.
So stop.
You know, my mind is bad enoughalready.
Tom, don't tell me.
I didn't send you things when Idid.
Oh, I remember that it's anabusive relationship.
It is, yeah, and that's why welove each other pretty much.
So that the new lens really,really nice.
(06:47):
I've been just goofing aroundwith it.
I did send you a few of thosepictures where I, you know, did
wide angle view of.
Tom (06:54):
My feet.
Yeah, thanks I feet.
Jeff (06:56):
Yeah, so great.
Oh, I know you're into that.
Tom (06:59):
Oh yeah um.
Jeff (07:03):
So I'm sorry folks, just like a hot mess, it's been a
long week.
It has been, um, so Reallyloving that.
But I, I in this is, you know,in this moment, in this moment,
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna saythis Uh, I don't know if I
(07:26):
needed to make this purchase.
Why do I say that, tom, I lovethe camera, but the reality is I
would not buy a thousand dollarcamera every two years, nor
would I you know what I'm sayingI would not pay A thousand
dollars to have a better cameraevery couple of years.
(07:50):
Uh, and that is to me the mostsignificant piece of this
Upgrade you said you were comingfrom the 13.
Tom (08:01):
Correct, I came from the 13 .
Jeff (08:02):
Okay, and I loved the 13.
The battery life was getting alittle, you know, I won't say it
was bad, it was still runningall day, but not what I was used
to.
Yeah, um, but in terms of whatI got for my buck, I got an
extra lens and some otherfeatures.
You know some otherphotographic features, which is
(08:24):
really what you know they.
I always go by the adage thatyou know what's the best phone
to have.
It's the one that you have withyou.
Um, or sorry, what's the bestcamera?
Right, see, I can't, I don'tknow what I'm doing tonight.
You should drink, I should,because I probably be better.
Um, I, uh.
So what's the best camera?
(08:45):
It's the one you have with youand I always have the phone with
me and I Always take pictures.
I take pictures almost everysingle day.
So you know, I'm happy to havethe new lens.
But if I were using, you know,photo kit, you know my old Nikon
, I might have bought a new lensand I would have used that lens
(09:07):
until the end of time.
And then, when I bought a newNikon, if I did that at some
point in time, the lenses allstill work with the same camera
body.
So I.
I have been on a and every twoyear upgrade plan.
That's.
That's the way I've been for along time.
(09:28):
I don't know whether I'm gonnaneed to do that going forward,
unless you know they have somekind of transporter beam in the
next one.
It's, it's not to me.
I've reached a point where thespeed of my last phone was fine,
mm-hmm.
Yeah, I was gonna ask aboutthat really good.
Tom (09:49):
What's that?
I was going to ask about thatIf you've noticed any perceived
speed Increases with what you doday to day, because you could
throw the benchmarks on andit'll say, oh, it's 35% faster,
but in a daily usage of thething, you know it's hard to
what I do.
Jeff (10:03):
It does take pictures really quickly, right.
So you and that was one of thethings that they shot for that,
you know you, you press thebutton or you, you know you tap
that little, that little tapper,it takes a quick picture, right
, hey, in that for sure it's,it's doing really quickly.
But on my day-to-day Don't know, and it's kind of you know that
(10:26):
that came to be the case withcomputers.
I used to get like a newMacBook or power book back in
the day.
I would, I would, I do theywere nice.
Tom (10:38):
I mean, if you had to use it today, obviously it would be
very crappy, because right,we've progressed so far, but
past that, but at the time theywere, they were really great.
Jeff (10:47):
Yeah, but I, as far as computers, I don't like I need a
new one every eight years.
Now, mm-hmm, you know, sevenyears.
I wait till it really Reallyruns down like the one I have
now, especially thanks to thethieves I, you know I I can't
see Out growing it.
(11:09):
For you know, seven or eightyears is like why?
No reason to do that, and Ifeel like for myself this is not
gonna be true of everybody, butfor myself the phone is more
than enough.
And To upgrade just for acamera and spend that much money
just for a camera, I don'tthink I need to do it anymore.
(11:30):
Cool to have the tech.
Tom (11:32):
I like it.
Jeff (11:33):
Yep, but I don't know if I need it and I'm gonna say I got
the titanium titanium, it'snice.
That just sounds funny.
I know.
Titanium, titanium, whoa Um,sounds like some Marvel.
Tom (11:47):
I don't know Marvel bad guy .
The guy didn't make the cutlike sorry, you're out, we've
got everyone else.
Titanium.
Titanium is out, he's.
He's gonna be an evil doer.
Now he's the me of Marvelcharacters it's.
Jeff (12:02):
I Gotta say this season of color Ain't so hot on these.
Like it's okay, it looks likesilver, to be frank with you,
and when I compared it when Iwas handed in my, my 13, which
had the green 13 which I liked,but they even that looks kind of
like this, like this newtitanium, titanium, the natural,
(12:27):
titanium natural, whatever Isit really natural oh that's what
they say.
Tom (12:32):
It's gotta be, if they say it.
Jeff (12:35):
It, it doesn't look.
It doesn't look all thatdifferent to me, you know.
It's just like.
It's okay.
I have something like.
Tom (12:43):
I agonize.
I don't want agonize anymore,but I used to say, well, always
get the silver one, maybe I'llget, you know, space gray or
whatever.
But then I always put a case onit and so all I really see is
the bump out around the Camera.
Yeah, and that's all I see, butyeah, whatever.
So with those lenses that arein the new one, when you're in
(13:05):
the camera app, what do you havein there, like point five one,
two X and five X?
Is that what you correct?
Jeff (13:10):
That's the way it shows up and you know.
So you end up with an extra one.
It was kind of interesting.
I can't remember maybe it wasMac rumors, I can't remember if
you sent it to me to not or not,or if it's something that I I
saw.
But they, you know they'reusing like a prismatic mirror in
it to be able to get that kindof depth.
On the, on that lens, somebodyhad done a mock-up of how deep
(13:34):
it would need to be and you knowif it was an actual lens and it
was sticking out aboutthree-quarter on edge.
Tom (13:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jeff (13:42):
So you know that's.
That's pretty miraculous.
That works really well.
I have the Action capabilitiesnow, so I did not have it in the
previous version of.
I don't think the iPhone 13 hadthe ability to.
You know, for you to run downthe street like that ad With the
mom chasing her kid as he'srunning a race.
(14:03):
She's bouncing all over theplace yeah, 13.
Tom (14:06):
I don't think.
I don't think I think they putthat in on the 14 right you, you
have it or you have it.
Jeff (14:12):
I have it now.
I used it to shoot some birdson my bird feeder.
To shoot pictures.
I didn't shoot the birds.
No pita people, please.
Tom (14:22):
It's on there in the 14.
I Used it.
Maybe once I used it to shoot.
Jeff (14:29):
Video of birds and my bird feeder Work great because
usually you know I can't getquite close enough to them.
That the new lens gets me a lotcloser Than than it did before.
But I had to zoom in a littlein addition to the what the lens
was to be able to get a goodlook at the bird.
And I put on that action modebecause the further you zoom you
(14:50):
know when it's handheld it getsjacked up.
You know you're.
It looks like you're on anocean liner in a bad storm, at
least when I'm holding it.
Action mode was great.
It it centered.
You wouldn't even know that Iwas wobbling around in the way
that I was, so it did great workof being able to keep
everything in there.
So I like that.
Yeah, new me that.
Tom (15:11):
That link with the part of the review where they used
action mode.
Uh-huh, who did that is?
I can't remember his name.
Jeff (15:19):
I know if, soon as you say it up again, definitely that's,
yeah, yeah yeah, and have tolook back at what I've sent you
in the past and we've beenchatting a lot.
We have been, and if you wantto call chatting Well, it's
mostly me raging out bit.
Yes, hold on, I'll tell you whoit is.
I'm scrolling back.
You're not talking about theAngie agar no.
(15:42):
She's too sorry, completely offtopic, but the the football
Maven, she's the best I justgotta.
I just gotta say she doesamazing recaps of football week,
especially for me, a guy whodoesn't watch football.
I'm scrolling back it's a longways and always back and Hold on
(16:03):
.
Tyler stallman.
There we go, yeah, great.
So he he had some thoughtsabout the action button.
I have switched the X andbutton.
As I said, I went to halide.
I Downloaded a new little app,which is actually not an app.
It just really adds a bunch ofactions to Shortcuts that are
(16:27):
pretty useful.
That I think I'm gonna make itso I can do a couple of
different things with the actionbutton.
But right now the action buttonholds halide or opens halide.
When you hold it Sorry, that's,I was jumping ahead in my mind
you, you have to hold it down,you can't just click it.
So, which is probably a goodidea, because then you don't
accidentally Trigger stuff on apocket, right?
(16:50):
Is that a camera in your pocketor use that piece.
No.
Tom (16:54):
Thought we steered away from that, but here we are yet.
Jeff (17:00):
Sorry.
So the one of the things thathe said.
What was his name?
Again, tyler stallman.
Yeah, okay, tyler stallman,which we should probably post.
That video was really good.
Video about the photographyfeatures yes, he's a
professional photographer.
About the photography featuresthe placement of the action
button Little high, it's above,you know, the volume switches,
(17:26):
where you'd expect it to be, andit Makes more sense now that it
is not a mute, you know, asilence switch.
It makes more sense for it tobe, I think, beneath the volume
buttons, where it's easier toget at with your thumb right,
which is more about the halfwaypoint.
(17:50):
Yeah, you wanted about thehalfway point and it is not.
And particularly on the Pro Max, which is bigger, I Would have
to look at it and see where theyactually align.
But because the Pro Max isbigger, that's a reach.
Yeah, I can get to it, but it'sdefinitely, definitely a reach.
So it may be in some redesignit might make more sense to have
(18:12):
that have that sit below thevolume button, since it's no
longer a volume toggle.
I Never have the volume on onmy phone.
Tom (18:22):
Me either.
Yeah, I always have that off.
Jeff (18:25):
Yep, so I Don't need.
You know that that button wasuseless to me.
I didn't use it for anythingexcept for when he went to like
some Some video games.
If you play them you need tohave the volume on and this way
to be able to do it, unless youhad headphones on.
But other than that there's noreason to you know there's no
(18:45):
reason to do it so.
But I will say I love thefeature and I'm looking forward
to doing a little more work withthat to kind of Add some other
options where I can do selectfrom a list and maybe, if I want
the camera open but make iteasy.
But the ease with which I cannow open halide, which remember
(19:05):
I did the little tap the backtwice, yep, or knock three times
on the ceiling if you, oh no,oh tack two times.
I know it's the worst show everbecause you're stuck with me
singing.
You know Songs from a long timeago that nobody knows the.
If I no longer need to use that, I can just.
(19:25):
I can just open halide that way.
So I like, I like that a lot.
I do Enjoy.
I don't even know what it'scalled.
What's the silly thing at thetop called?
I'm supposed to be.
This is a tech podcast, right.
Tom (19:38):
Oh, the dynamic other things.
Jeff (19:39):
Dynamic island I like that a lot.
I'm finding that there are alot of things about it that I
enjoy.
But I will say again, buyingthe phone for the dynamic island
, you know, I don't that's.
That's not enough, I don'tthink, to justify.
Tom (20:01):
No you know, especially that's down on the 15 now too.
So if you could, if you reallywanted that, you could save a
few bucks and just get theregular iPhone 15, which is, at
least from what I recall fromthe, the event.
It sounds Almost just like the14 Pro, but it's now just the 15
, because right 15.
So that's a really solid phone.
Jeff (20:23):
It is, yeah it, absolutely solid.
So, anyway, it's from thatperspective.
You know, I'm happy to have thecamera, but I am gonna, I think
, start rethinking my.
You know, once every two yearsupgrade your phone point of view
.
I Don't know that I need to dothat anymore, you know right.
(20:47):
Unless there's something.
Tom (20:50):
You know, we get a big redesign or something
groundbreaking comes out, thenit's like okay, oh, that'll kind
of maybe throw my pattern what?
Jeff (20:57):
what is groundbreaking at this point for your phone?
Nothing, yeah right, you knowthey're.
I don't see.
I mean it's like somegroundbreaking Do we?
Tom (21:07):
are we with laptops these days?
I mean?
Jeff (21:09):
yeah, they look nice and.
Tom (21:11):
It's a lot.
Sit on and do the same rightform as the power books.
We talked about 10 minutesright, and so I've got 14 pro
now and, like you, I usually dothe every other cycle and and
I'm on the fence about that, butwe'll see.
Jeff (21:28):
Yeah, I'm, I mean.
Tom (21:30):
Perfectly content with with what I have.
Jeff (21:33):
Yeah, and and truth of the matter is and I don't think I
knew it until I had this in myhands, but I was perfectly
content with my 13.
Tom (21:41):
Yeah, no, did you hand that down to someone or traded in or
Normally?
Jeff (21:47):
I would have my son who was driving my 11 Mm-hmm he.
He was ready for a new phoneand I was gonna hand it down to
him, but we both decided thathe'll he'll get a new one.
So he is actually getting thesame one that I have.
Tom (22:07):
Okay, yeah, it's what I actually do is I take and hand
it down I.
Jeff (22:13):
Did get these through AT&T and you know you have to sell
your soul to them, but they weregiving.
Basically, I got a.
I got a thousand dollars for my13 okay, helps.
Yeah, so you know they tried infor a thousand dollars and I
get you know this for thosemarketers know what they're
doing.
They do and you know for mewho's not gonna be doing
(22:36):
anything for three yearsprobably.
Anyway, I'm perfectly fine.
So he's doing the same thing.
They gave him 800, 700 for the11, maybe 600, I can't remember.
I'd have to ask him, but hePretty good for that 11.
Tom (22:51):
Yeah, I think a co-worker she, I Want to say, got six or
700 for hers.
She got the 15 Mm-hmm in theblue color.
Okay, and how's that look?
I haven't seen it in person yet.
I'm gonna try to get over toher.
How do you know she has it?
I believe her, she'strustworthy.
Jeff (23:08):
Is she sure?
Tom (23:09):
Yeah, well, I'm a little mad at her because she's leaving
us for a new job, but oh,that's beside the point, I'll
still appreciate her phone andeverything.
No, we are really sad thatshe's leaving.
She's been great, but she's gota really sweet offer and that's
where Tremendously happy forher as a person.
But in a selfish way yeah, cuzshe, she kicked butt, she was
(23:31):
great, great so is she a studentor a former student?
No, she came in just right atthe start of pandemic stuff,
just before she was referral bysomeone else, and she's one of
our help desk technicians Okayyeah but she did run our, she
built up our work, studytechnician program and all the
training and really Knocked itout of the park and and did a
(23:51):
great job.
Jeff (23:52):
So yeah, thanks a year For her.
Yes, understood, understood.
Tom (23:57):
All right.
So the new phone sounds likeyou're pretty happy with it.
I mean the phone itself.
You're perfect.
Jeff (24:03):
I love the phone.
It's just.
Did you really?
Tom (24:05):
need to get it?
Probably not, but you got inhere the right it's fine, I'm
not disappointed with it.
Jeff (24:10):
I do like it.
I the rounder edges on this tooI.
It is like I said, naked wehave, we can talk about
bullstrap in a minute, but afteryou talk about watchy stuff,
but the Edges it's a really.
It has a really nice.
I'm gonna sound like a Somaliahere now has a nice hand feel
(24:35):
Mouthfeel for wine, wine.
Tom (24:38):
God, that's so pretentious, I can't stand.
Jeff (24:43):
It really.
Those edges are really reallynice.
Tom (24:46):
Yeah, everyone seems to like that and I think what's
probably helped you a good bitwith the up sizing to the pro
max is that it's lighter and soit is your net weight increase.
I'd be curious, having Ihaven't looked it up, to see
like how much the 13 Pro was interms of weight and then what
(25:06):
the 15 pro max is and to see howclose they are.
But it's probably has helpedout, because my wife has the 14
pro max and that's junkie, likeit's got some heft, mm-hmm.
Jeff (25:19):
So this is.
I held this, you know, when Iwas trading it in, I held them
both Side-by-side, and this isdefinitely lighter than than
that one.
Tom (25:28):
That's pretty good, but it's still got some heft.
Jeff (25:30):
Yeah, and I do like that.
You know I don't want it tofeel like it's a piece of
garbage, right, it does.
It does feel.
It does feel very nice, and thefact that the width is roughly
the same, I think, makes a bigdifference too.
Tom (25:47):
Yeah.
Ice cream bars, which is yeah,I scream sandwich, candy, bar,
whatever they call, so thatthey're not super big.
Remember when the seven Okay,what are?
They caught them, the seven,the big seven, like this yes
right, I had that huge, it wasmassive and but the screen, the
(26:11):
screen was big.
But you that's back when theystill had like the home button
and everything.
So you had that on top of thebig screen.
So those are really really bigand have this is so case-wise.
You do not have a case yet.
Jeff (26:22):
No, so funny story.
Um, I ordered a bullstrap caseas talked about in the last show
, correct?
And I Got it and looked at it.
No, you're a torque.
I I Ordered the.
I didn't order one for the 15pro max, I ordered one for the
(26:43):
15 pro.
Tom (26:44):
What you bought for years, though, so that makes sense
right.
Jeff (26:47):
I well, I just wasn't even looking at, didn't even think
twice when I ordered this.
I have gotten in contact withtheir customer service, though,
and they're brilliant.
I will say, first of all, thebullstrap case lifetime warranty
.
They will replace it up totwice a year.
Holy smokes, right Twice, up totwice a year on their warranty.
(27:09):
You have to send pictures andstuff like that.
That's okay, man but yeah aboutthis, they were Really cool like
they.
You know I didn't want toreturn it.
I needed to do somethingspecial to exchange it because
they didn't give you the optionto exchange for a larger size.
But I Contacted them via email,took me a couple emails back
(27:32):
and forth, but you know I'msending this you know this new,
old one unwrapped back to themand not unwrapped, sorry, still
in the box and and they'resending me back the 15 pro max,
which is really really nice.
But they've been a reallyCharming to deal with.
And, by the way, I have nosponsors, but I'm perfectly
(27:57):
happy to tell it.
Doesn't say that bullstrap isamazing.
I also ordered this weekbecause this is kind of crazy I
ordered a package of for air tagholders because they were not.
I guess they're not making themanymore, so I'm getting four
for the price of essentially oneaccording to what their old
(28:21):
price scheme was From bull strap, nice, nice.
So yeah, really, really nicestuff.
So I will have a leather case.
I tried to go out and buy afine woven case, just so we
could talk about it here.
Tom (28:35):
It was supposed to be.
The rage with the kids thesedays is to talk about that.
Jeff (28:39):
Yeah well you know, I don't believe it until you touch
it, so I I.
Tom (28:44):
Which I saw one.
Did I tell you that I saw afriend of the show, Gannon's he?
We met up a couple of weeksbefore the talk.
You said he hated it too right.
Well, at that point he did nothave the phone.
He just had the case, and so wemet up and because the case got
.
They shipped the cases thatkind of week before the phones
started to arrive.
And so he got like on a Mondayor Tuesday or something.
But anyway, we met up and heshowed it to me and at that
(29:08):
point some of the early peoplehad gotten them and had looked
at some of the things onlineabout it and the my initial take
on it wasn't quite as negativeon at first glance as some of
the other people have had.
But it ain't great.
It's a weird texture, like theway it feels is weird, and he
(29:32):
did end up sending it back.
He started to kind of fray alittle bit already.
I mean, he had the phone inthere for just a few days and
he's like, yeah, I'm gonna sendthat back, that's not gonna cut
it.
And I've seen some otherpictures that people have posted
and I don't know it's.
If Apple will make money off ofit, they'll continue to sell it
(29:53):
, and if they do not, they'llcome up with something else.
Right, yeah, I will.
And, by the way, the leathercases we talked about last time
too, those have not been good oflate either.
So it's you trade one for theother.
And I think the thing and wetalked about it and Gannon
mentioned it to me too that hiswords were it felt more like a
$29 case than a $59 case.
And I think this is what a lotof people have said.
(30:14):
They're like this was $29 or$39?
That, okay, that's not too bad.
But you're telling, okay, we'renot doing the leather cases,
which are the upsell right Forthe cases.
You get your silicone and youget the leather and this is to
replace it, but it doesn'tquality wise feel like a
replacement.
It feels like two or threesteps below that.
(30:36):
So, anyhow, I won't get one ofthose.
That's why I'm really curiousto see, once you get the leather
case that you've got coming Notthat I'm not even in the market
for one Like the one I havefrom Apple for the 14, I got
black this time, so you can'treally tell, like when the edges
and stuff get dinged up.
So it'll be fine.
Jeff (30:56):
Yeah, and I will say I did look at that bullstrap leather
one before I you know, yeah, andyou said you really thought
what the quality is.
Oh my gosh quality is freakingridiculous and it's the kind of
thing like the Apple cases don'tage well.
Tom (31:13):
Not anymore.
They used to.
Jeff (31:15):
This, I feel like, is gonna age pretty well, like it's
gonna be pretty nice.
Yes, I'm killing the ozone byhaving leather, but I still am
gonna, I think, try to go nakedmost of the time, then maybe if
I go out to dinner or something.
I'll put the leather case on it.
Tom (31:34):
Dress it up a bit yeah which you know.
Jeff (31:38):
I do change my watch faces to match my clothes, like I
change the color of my watchface to match.
Why not Just a silly fun thingto do?
But I will have the fine wovenand we'll have a little talk
about that next week.
I thought I was gonna get itsometime yesterday or today, but
(31:58):
it's arriving apparentlytomorrow.
Thank you, Amazon, and youcouldn't.
I couldn't get them.
Actually, I went to Best Buy totry to get one and they had
sold out of everything otherthan one silicon case.
Tom (32:12):
Jeez, that was it.
Usually the way it goes thatfirst week it's like well, we
got 20 and we sold them allSounds like okay.
All right, so we will continueto monitor the case situation
with you as that comes inSoftware side of things, we got
a whole bunch of new software,as we talked about at the top of
the show.
You'd been running the betasall summer once they came out.
Jeff (32:34):
So I don't think well For the last month.
Tom (32:37):
Okay, didn't jump in right away, so you've had those for a
while.
I had only run the beta ofSonoma on the work machine and,
as betas go, that one was prettysolid, and so I upgraded my Mac
mini on Tuesday when it cameout and haven't noticed any
issues with that.
I haven't spent much time onthat and we'll get to that in a
(32:57):
minute.
It's kind of a low key upgrade.
Jeff (33:02):
Yeah, it definitely is.
Tom (33:03):
Some little quality of life things, depending on which
applications you use.
Like it's nice to have thewidgets on the desktop, kind of
like that, the screensaverdesktop, of course.
Once they showed that I kind ofexpressed how happy I was about
that.
It has not been adisappointment, that has been
great.
But I think that kind of saysin terms of features, if you're
talking about widgets on thedesktop and screensavers as the
(33:26):
marquee features, it's a servicepack, as they used to say for
windows back in the day.
Jeff (33:33):
Yeah, it's interesting because Apple for a while and
they kind of got off this cyclefor a while Like, if I think
back to Snow Lepard, what theywould do is they would do a
significant upgrade and thenthey would do some retooling
underneath so you didn't get alot on the front end, and then
they would do anothersignificant facelift and then
(33:54):
the next version they would dosomething.
Tom (33:58):
Yeah, Leopard Snow, Lepard Lion, Mountain Lion, Yep, All of
those.
Jeff (34:02):
They almost did some of that with Sierra Hi Sierra, but
they've yeah, not quite, andthey kind of fell off of that
when they were doing the tryingto match the iOS and now iPad OS
and Mac OS cycle.
They're trying to do everythingat once.
Tom (34:18):
And it's a little bit.
They're damned if they do anddamned if they don't.
Because if they don't do a Macupgrade to bring the iOS stuff
over, then people say see, theydon't care about the Mac, they
only care about the iPhone.
And then, when they do do it,why are they upgrading all the
time?
We don't need an upgrade everyyear and so and it is what it is
(34:39):
.
I think they do aim to do agood job.
Sometimes they nail it,sometimes they fall short, like
we all do.
Jeff (34:45):
Yeah, I would say that's true, but I'm very happy with
Sonoma.
It's funny.
I had to adjust settings on mycomputer in order to enjoy the
benefits of the screensaver,because I usually just have my
computer blink off.
I never go to a screensaver.
So I really am enjoying that,and it's also changing my
(35:09):
desktop backgrounds in the sameway.
Tom (35:12):
So gorgeous pictures, yeah, that whole transition from when
you log in and the screen kindof comes to a stop, and that's
really nice.
Jeff (35:20):
It seems so simple, but it's a nice effect and those are
the nice details that you liketo have happen.
It's like in the last, thepreceding iOS update, where
which both you and I raved aboutit and I still love this
feature is that where it changesyour home screen or your lock
(35:42):
screen is really the one I haveto do this with where it changes
the pictures on every yeah.
Tom (35:47):
It's still used to get.
Jeff (35:49):
Same and I get so much delight out of that Every day,
multiple times a day.
Correct.
And what's really kind of coolis now that I have a phone that
has an always on screen, I cansee pictures there too, which is
Takes it next level, really,because, because sometimes
you're just looking around andyou're like oh, look at that I
(36:09):
haven't seen that picture inforever.
Tom (36:12):
It kind of pops up.
Those are really nice touches,agree.
So, Go ahead.
Jeff (36:18):
Oh no, just good stuff and in iOS, the current version of
iOS.
Like I said, like you said,I've been working on it for a
little bit and it's been solid.
There's nothing, really, thatdrives me nuts.
Tom (36:35):
Any of the major new features in iOS you're taking
advantage of or liking thatstick out.
Jeff (36:43):
No, Like which one, I don't know, Like it's not, and
this, I think this kind of goesto my point.
You know, I will say, the thingthat I have noticed and this is
probably a new phone thing isthat my ability, particularly
(37:04):
with Dynamic Island, to connectto AirPods and AirPods HomePods
that is working much better.
But I don't know that that's anOS update and there's not a lot
of stuff under the covers thatI've taken advantage of.
I don't think I have to kind oflook around and play with it a
little bit and see if there'sanything, even that even appeals
(37:27):
in some of the new features.
So the answer is I've been abad user in that regard.
Well, Well talk to me Tom.
Tom (37:35):
I mean, geez, we do a podcast and all yeah, I know.
Jeff (37:39):
I'm supposed to pretend like I, you know, use every
single thing yeah.
Tom (37:45):
So some of the messages stuff we've fooled around with.
They did redo the that app trayfor lack of a better word.
I don't know if that's exactlywhat they call it.
But when you're in a message inprior to iOS 17, they had that
little bar that would run acrossthe top at the keyboard.
There you can choose images orstickers and things like that.
(38:07):
They change that.
So you just get a right next tothe text field you get a plus
symbol and then you tap that andthen that brings up the list of
apps.
I kind of liked that better.
It took me a little while toget used to it, just because it
was different.
It once, especially once Ifigured out you can press and
hold on the list and rearrangethings.
So your most common ones are upat the top, like the images.
(38:28):
One was kind of down too far,so I moved it up.
Press and hold on that plussign takes you right into the
photo selector.
So if you want to send someonea picture, you don't have to
necessarily tap plus and thenphotos.
You can just hold on the plusand then the photo selector
comes up.
So that's kind of a nice littletouch there, so I do use that
like that.
Haven't done much in terms oflike the new gestures for
(38:52):
messages where you can swipe toreply and things like that.
Jeff (38:57):
Yeah, I haven't done that.
I haven't done FaceTime andaccidental thumbs up and had it
go.
Tom (39:04):
Yeah, yeah, we were doing that in zoom today at work and
Because it carries over to thatright, because it's part of it.
The stickers, that the newthing with the stickers.
We can do it on your photosthat that's a that's nicely
implemented.
It is actually I'll use it alot, but it's it's very nicely
implemented.
It was kind of fun to playaround with and my mom got
(39:25):
excited about it.
So I showed her how to do it nowshe's sending everyone stickers
, so they're probably cursing myname for that.
So that was kind of nice.
Jeff (39:36):
What I have used, and kind of used by accident, because I
wasn't even thinking that it wasthere, but I screened a phone
call the other day.
It was getting a phone callfrom someone.
Yeah and I.
It was not a number that Irecognized, and so I kicked it
to voicemail and and it put thevoicemail on the screen.
(39:56):
I was able to pick it up andtalk to the person in the middle
, and, which was great, it wassomebody I needed to talk to
good it wasn't for.
Tom (40:03):
about your extended warranty?
No, it definitely wasn't aboutmy extended warranty.
Jeff (40:07):
It was something.
It was hey, I'm here at theplace and you're not here.
And I was expecting a phonecall before, like when, when the
person was on their way, so Iwas able to pick it up, say, hey
, I'm getting in the car, I'llbe right over, you know, kind of
kind of thing.
Yeah, so that's a nice feature.
It's old school in terms of,you know, screening your
(40:28):
messages, but, right, I did useit and I really do like that.
It's pretty great.
Tom (40:34):
I've looked at Standby a little bit.
I think in the last show Icalled that by the wrong name.
It's standby nut.
I keep wanting to say it'snightstand or something.
Jeff (40:42):
I can't really say it, but it was stupid.
Tom (40:45):
I said but I have looked at that problem with me.
That for that is.
I think that would be nice Ifyou've got a mag safe charger
where you can plop the phone upthere and then you can actually
use it.
But I don't have that yet, butit's making me consider.
Maybe do doing that.
We'll see Interactive widgets.
That's nice.
I.
Used one of those today too,without realizing it was working
(41:08):
, so it's nice to be able toMark off what to do was done
without it switching into theapp.
Jeff (41:14):
So that's yeah, I really I did it accidentally.
Today I had something fantastichowl that I had to say was done
.
I tapped it and it worked.
Didn't that task out?
So that was, that is a nicething, yeah.
So so when you say, have I usedanything?
I have used to have, but butand this is kind of a beautiful
thing about that is that I Usedthem without realizing.
(41:37):
I discovered them Magically, ifyou will, you know, rather than
and that used to be an an oldyou know, apple has always been
of a mind where they let youkind of discover features and
when you you do something islike oh, look at how this does
this and that's kind of how thishas worked.
(41:58):
For me it's kind of a littlebit more the way of discovery.
So I like it.
Tom (42:02):
Yeah, yep, it has been pretty good.
The air drop stuff is nice.
Jeff (42:07):
Where you just bring the phones together.
Tom (42:09):
You know close by, you can bump them.
You don't have to bump them.
But it's got a nice littleeffect and everything and so
that that was kind of nice.
It seemed work fine.
I've only done it a couple oftimes.
That's still airdrop, so did it.
Who knows if sometimes it'llwork, sometimes it won't, we'll
see.
Maybe it'll work all the timenow I have no idea.
That was kind of nice andthat's really top of mind for me
(42:30):
of the stuff that I've noticedand have actually used For iOS.
Jeff (42:35):
Yeah, I I will use A downloaded maps for offline use.
Tom (42:40):
Yeah, that'll be a good one definitely, particularly for
hiking.
Jeff (42:43):
I'll use that.
I have not had opportunity todo that yet, but okay, I
definitely will.
But here's here's a question,tom how are you liking watch OS
Mmm?
Tom (43:01):
That talking to me, baby.
So I have stated on this showand I've stated to you multiple
times in messages and thingslike that well, we were watching
the keynote and the event, Itold you if I were going to work
at Apple and the watch is theproduct I would like to work on.
No, I'm a big fan of Applewatch.
I love the Apple watch.
I have loved the Apple watch.
(43:22):
I'm all say I love series zero,series two, like the premise or
the promise that it had.
Yeah, it kept me around.
So I said, okay, this is gonnaget better, it's gonna get
faster, the software will catchup and hardware will make it
better and and it did.
Screens got bigger, it'sbrighter or everything you know
started to hom and it's.
It's been great.
Jeff (43:42):
Mm-hmm I.
Tom (43:44):
Do not like this update.
Jeff (43:46):
Tell us why.
Tom (43:47):
Tom, and, and I will say, as we mentioned earlier,
sometimes you do things and theyturn out great.
Sometimes you do things andthey turn out average.
Sometimes you do things andthey turn out not well.
There are parts of it that I do, like it's not a complete
clunker right and it's not but Ifeel, and at first I thought it
(44:10):
was just me, and then I startedto look around and I'm far from
the only person.
I sent you that reddit threadand it was like my tribe was
there.
Jeff (44:19):
Like my people, look at you guys.
Tom (44:23):
And I think the guy says ten things I hate about watch OS
10 or whatever you named it itwas, and there's just.
It feels and I'll preface itwith this that we don't know
what's coming up.
So some of these changes thatright now seem arbitrary and
kind of goofy and it's likechange for the sake of change.
Apple's track record typicallyis pretty good, so I was like,
(44:45):
okay, maybe they shot and theymissed.
Maybe there's something comingup in the super redesigned watch
or Series 10 watch, this comingup where it's be like oh,
that's why they were training usto do it this way instead of
the old way, because this wascoming out next year but it's
not here yet, so we can only gowith what we have today.
It feels to me that it is farmore cumbersome to use.
(45:09):
Things take extra taps, extraclicks.
They've removed features,they've moved features.
It's a cluster, hmm, to me, andI know some people are content
with it and I think it's justlike everything else.
It's okay.
What pieces do you actually useof it?
And if you're a very casualuser and you just use a face and
(45:29):
you know, check your messagesand stuff like that, it's
probably okay.
But first off, the thing mostpeople seem to be complaining
about is it used to be superEasy to switch between watch
faces.
You would just swipe right andyou get go between the faces.
Can't do that anymore.
You've got to tap and holdright.
Jeff (45:49):
I feel that which yeah.
Tom (45:52):
Yeah, and I never switched like.
I had, you know, three or fourwatch faces I would use, but
they were in particularSituations like and so like from
one to the gym I would put on adifferent watch face, just so.
I'd have you know the set ofcomplications that were more
applicable for that activity,things like that, and so that
one I didn't use a lot, butstill it was nice just to do
(46:13):
that.
And this seems to me and againwe don't know what's coming but
it almost feels like well,that's the way you do it on
iPhone.
That's the way you do it now oniPad you press and hold and
then you swipe between your lockscreens.
So it's consistency and it'slike, well, maybe it is, but it
it's worse.
Jeff (46:31):
Right, there's more effort involved.
I'm gonna throw something atyou I know you're building a gym
, so you're gonna walk to yourgarage pretty soon, you know but
One of the easier ways.
I think that that could beresolved and I agree with you,
it should be super easy tochange those screens.
But if you had a Locationdirected focus, it would do that
(46:55):
like and I have.
Tom (46:57):
I used to do that with an automation when I was driving
over To the wellness center,like when I pulled into the
parking lot.
I had an automation that wasswitched to the face and start a
work.
Yeah, and it's funny I haven'tdisabled that and we've got a
campus near that, and so when Idrive over there, it's like now
switching to ship Still a work,I don't need it yet.
Jeff (47:15):
Which I should, just yeah, but that's, that doesn't
resolve the issue.
And I agree with you.
I was.
I thought it was an idiotactually when I was using the
betas, because I was like I wantto change my watch face and it
was sliding over from the oh.
Yeah, and finally realized Ihad to press, press and hold in
order to be able to do that.
Tom (47:36):
I agree that's a little Dumb right and think is, if it
had been that way from the start, that that's just the way it is
.
So yeah, try to balance it alittle bit with that.
And then I know, you know,there were times where I'd bump
it with something and it wouldactually not only change and I'd
have Swing it back and so thatone I'm like, okay, it's, it
ain't great, but it's.
I mean it's certainly not theworst.
(47:58):
Thing.
No so there's, what is the worst?
Thing?
Oh, there's, it's coming, I gota list.
I know you do.
Maybe longer than 10 it is, wewon't go through them all, but
okay, great.
The control center mm-hmm.
Used to swipe up to get tocontrol center, yes, and now
(48:18):
it's a side button, yes, why?
I have no idea.
No clue why, other than now, ifyou swipe up, you get the smart
stacks Right.
Apple seems intent on gettingus to use these smart stacks we
had that was as glances.
Way back in the day in earlywatch OS versions.
We had the Siri watch face,which was supposed to surface
the information you need whenyou need it, and that didn't
(48:40):
really work Right, so maybe itworks better here.
I I don't know Jury's out onthat one we'll see, but they
also, though, have that if youturn the crown.
Jeff (48:52):
Yes, right, it does that.
Tom (48:54):
I'm just going to say that that pissed a bunch of people
off, because on the Ultra, thatused to be how you got in
tonight mode with the red watchface on the Wayfinder face and
now on the new modular Ultraface, and so now you have a
setting by default is set toauto, so it uses the ambient
sensor and we'll turn the watchface.
Red watch face, the red watchface is really nice.
(49:15):
I like it a lot.
Yes, but there are times whereif my sleeve is down and it's
covering the thing, it's like,oh, night mode, I'm like no, no,
that's not night mode yet andyou can turn it off in the
settings for the face.
So but a lot of peoplecomplained about that one.
It's an annoyance.
It didn't really make me matteranything like that the let's
(49:41):
see where do I want to go next.
Jeff (49:44):
There's so much, Well, let me let me say related to that,
and using the, the, what used tobe able to change it to night
mode.
You also used to be able toscroll through your list of of
apps that way, and if the one inthe center, if you scrolled up,
it would zoom right into it andopen the app, and that's not
(50:06):
there anymore.
Tom (50:07):
Right, which is another because you can't really move
that honeycomb list around.
Just goes down, but it doesn'tlike it used to go like 360.
Yeah, but you can't do that.
Jeff (50:21):
Talk to me about workouts, Tom.
Tom (50:23):
Oh, jeff.
Jeff (50:24):
I'm just going to jump right to it Band-aid.
I want it right?
Okay, tear it off.
Tom (50:29):
Let's so the workout app.
I use the action button on theultra to start the workout app.
As do I.
That still works fine, noproblem.
Where I've run into somefriction with that Now that
wasn't there before is sometimesI will do multi mode workouts,
so I will hit the air bike for15 minutes.
(50:50):
I'll do maybe stretching for 20minutes after that or a
flexibility, as they have itlabeled such and used to be.
You'd be in the midst of thefirst workout.
You would swipe to the rightand you had four things to
choose from there.
Now you have three.
The one they took away was new,so you would just tap new.
(51:12):
It would start the new workout,you will prompt you to choose
which type of workout it was andthen it would start.
Now there's just an empty spotthere which looks unbalanced and
it looks messy, but you have toend the workout and then the
confirmation that comes up nowwhich, too, I don't really like
(51:34):
says and workout or new workout.
And I'm like this.
This makes no damn sense to meand it's like, if I'm ending, I
don't want to know, I want toknow, I want to know, I just
want to know.
Put the damn button back.
But the other thing that I usefrequently during workouts is
the timers app.
Yes, that took about four stepsbackwards and you used to be
(52:02):
able to set favorites and theywould show right up at the top
of the list.
So the ones that I commonly useduring workout, as I'm sure
most people do if they're goingto the gym and doing weights and
things like that is, you doyour set, you have your rest
period.
So it would be depending onwhat type of workout you're
doing.
If you're doing high reps, yourest period shorter.
You're doing low reps withheavier weights, usually your
(52:22):
rest periods are longer.
So I have favorites for oneminute, two minutes, three
minutes Super simple to get to.
That's gone, so you get resins.
So that's pretty annoying.
I've often wondered why, likethey haven't just put something
like that into the workout applike a shortcut to the timers.
They've got.
Hey guess what?
They've got an open spot therenow or they.
Jeff (52:43):
could you just swipe and go right to the timers?
Tom (52:46):
See, you can fill that spot .
The thing, though, that kind ofcomplicates that even more and
makes it even messier, is youused to be able to double press
the digital crown and it waslike an app switcher.
So if you were in the workoutapp, you went over to the timers
, you double pressed the crown,you're back in the workout app.
That's gone.
(53:07):
You get like a recent app or alist of recent apps and like
that little card format thatthey have.
So you can still do it, but youhave to kind of pack around and
stuff, and so this is what I'msaying is like every not
everything, but too many thingsare just there's like an extra
tap, it's an extra swipe, it'san extra dig down this way and
(53:29):
find this, and it just seems fora small screen device that I
just don't want to fiddle withit that much.
You got us used to this and Ithought it was pretty good.
Like I can see if they wantedto do visual changes, right, but
they did so many changes in theway that it operates.
Jeff (53:49):
And one of the things, and I think this is important to
note.
So, yes, you did point me to itReddit, where everybody was
crying about this, but I thinkthe point is it's not just you,
right?
You know there are a bunch ofpeople who have this same
feeling about these things, andI'm a newer watch user and, like
(54:13):
I said, I changed my watch facebecause, you know, I got a nice
shirt on and I want my watchface to match my nice shirt.
I have a watch face for whenwe're doing what we're doing,
right?
now they have a particular onethat I use when we're recording.
I have one.
Actually, now that you've setthat is pretty much my day today
(54:33):
.
You sent me a nice watch facethat I like.
That I've made a couple of finechanges to, but for the most
part I liked what you had donewith it.
So I'm keeping that and I havea working day watch face that is
different than that.
That has some things on itwhich I change when I change
focus.
So I have a focus that goes onwhen I start work at nine in the
(54:54):
morning that automaticallychanges those things.
When it comes to workouts, I'mnot doing what you're doing.
So I haven't.
I didn't feel any of thatfriction.
At the start.
I did notice that I had to doan extra step in order to end,
like if I was ending a hike.
It did take long and was likeokay, whatever.
When you're doing a bunch ofembedded workouts, I could see
(55:17):
where that's a royal pain in theneck, so I can.
Tom (55:21):
And I think it's one of those things where if it was,
you know if it was one thing,two things, but it's kind of
snowballed into death by athousand cuts that old phrase,
right.
It's just little annoyancesthat I felt like they had the
interface pretty finely tuned,like with the watchOS nine, like
, and that's what I say is ifthey wanted to spruce up the
(55:42):
visual components of it.
I don't like the new activityapp, like when you open it goes
to the rings full size and thenyou've got to scroll or swipe to
see your move, your exercisestand and things like that.
I will say it seems to bebetter for me on my series seven
.
It seemed like on the ultrawatch, the crown, the tension it
(56:05):
takes to get it to move, flipbetween the different screens is
more, and so it's like you flipit and like it doesn't go and
then it skips to and it's like,oh boy, um.
So that's a little messy andsome of the like visual fade in
and things like that make itseem kind of not smooth, um, but
you know, good thing aboutsoftware is any of that stuff if
(56:27):
enough people complain about it, they can fix it.
I mean it's not like it's ahardware flaw or something like
that, right, um, and so we'llgive them some time but I know a
lot of people have been kind ofand I still big fan of the
watch um that new face.
Jeff (56:42):
I love it.
I really like.
Yeah, it is, it's great.
It really is great and the factthat you can create multiples
of it for a variety, right.
Tom (56:50):
And the last, or the timer thing to kind of get around that
uh that I was complaining about, is I set up an automation so
that when I started a particularworkout type where I use the
timers, which is mostly strengthtraining that kind of thing, um
it switches to a face where thebottom three complications on
that uh new watch face aretimers one minute, two minutes,
(57:11):
three minutes.
Oh we'll get you, but thatdidn't quite.
I shouldn't have to do that, Ishouldn't, but I don't, I don't.
Okay, it didn't take long.
But even with that, like when Ido it, it takes you two minutes
, two the two minute timer, forexample, but it doesn't start it
.
It started Right.
I was like, oh, still anothertime.
Come on y'all Um the Snoopyface Cute.
(57:31):
Yeah, I'll never use it like onthe existence show, enough
stuff.
But I'll admit like sometimesin the evenings I put it on and
I chuckle at the goofyanimations and stuff that they
did.
Jeff (57:40):
I wasn't even going to put it on.
Tom (57:42):
So credit where credit's due with that and and again, you
know, not completely satisfiedwith it.
But I mean they're the tryingthings and we'll see where they
go.
I mean it's 10.0.
Let's see, we're at 10.1, 10.2.
Then when 11 comes out and andstuff and people adapt.
We get used to things and itwas not as good as it was back
(58:02):
then.
Well, no, but it's okay Soundslike tradwife Twitter.
Who.
Jeff (58:07):
Tradwife, you've never seen that traditional wife.
Oh yeah, everything's betterwhen you're walking around in a
crazy dress and you know makingbreakfast Just by killing the
cow Whoa.
Tom (58:21):
Yeah, I hadn't heard of that.
Yeah, so those are my thoughtson the watch OS.
Yeah, but I still love my watch.
Jeff (58:30):
Yeah, I'm, you know, like I said, I'm in and I've been
using iPad OS.
Tom (58:36):
We're not going to talk about it on this show because
it's it's getting close Time towrap this up.
Jeff (58:39):
It is time I've been doing a big stage manager experiment
and yeah, we'll want to hearmore about that, so maybe next
show we'll throw that in.
Tom (58:47):
I think we've got a.
Might have to be two shows fromnow.
I think we've got a guestcoming up pretty soon.
Look at us, I guess.
Yeah, Another guest.
Jeff (58:54):
People seem to listen.
Well, we have guests.
I don't know what that means,but that means other people have
friends and we don't True thatit's just us man, two, two old
loners.
Tom (59:05):
All right, all right.
Well, I think, jeff, I think wepretty much covered everything
we have.
Jeff (59:09):
I think we have, I think we've nailed it and this is a
great reminder that you can getto us at feedback at
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Tom (59:48):
Well done.
Jeff (59:50):
Look at me, I can read things.
Tom (59:51):
Well, that's it.
So, once again, as always, wedo appreciate you being here
with us.
Have a great rest of your day,rest of your night, and we will
talk to you next time, see ya.
Jeff (01:00:16):
Bye.
15 inch.
All right, welcome in everybody.
Once again it is a new episodeof basic AF.
(00:21):
It's Tom and Jeff.
Jeff, how's it going, brother?
Jeff (00:25):
All right, man, All right.
It was just dancing like DonaldTrump did at that thing, Whoa
it was not expecting that youwere not paying any attention.
Tom (00:34):
I saw you dancing.
What I'm trying to think, whatI'm going to say as the show
Starts?
It's hard for me.
I'm not that smart.
Jeff (00:40):
And you can't do two things at once.
Yeah, I was.
I was doing the, for sure, notthe Trump tango.
Tom (00:45):
Well, so anyway, yet again friends, be glad this is an
audio show, not video.
And yeah, you were spared that.
I got to see it.
I'll take it for you there.
Oh yeah, at least I'm dressed,yeah, so welcome back to this
show.
We do appreciate you being herewith us For this one.
If you are new, welcome, andwe're happy to have you here
(01:06):
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your playlist.
If you have feedback on any ofthese things questions on topics
, feedback on Jeff's dancing, myStupidity, whatever it is,
feedback at basic af show calmis how you can contact us if you
want to do such a thing that iscorrect.
Jeff (01:27):
That is correct.
You can do that.
By the way, we are a shownumero 19 man.
We're at the precipice of 20,which you know in years.
I might like that back and Iwould take it, yeah, I would too
in these brains so 20 in thesebrains, I think.
Tom (01:44):
In that first podcast we did back in 2011 With our friend
John I think, we got up to 30couple episodes.
Did we get that?
I think we did, because thatwas a weekly.
So we were doing that on aweekly, which is probably why we
burned out and just stopped.
Jeff (02:00):
You guys pulled me in later in the game because I do
not feel like I was.
I think we did 30 in.
Yeah, I think we got.
Tom (02:06):
You needed my brilliance to make it good taking next level
right, which is why I reachedback out to you for this one.
See so, but yeah that's.
If we can beat that, I thinkwe'll Run something anyway, but
yeah, yeah, maybe at least we'restill having fun.
I think, yeah, that's the mainthing Stop's being fun, we'll
just stop the show.
It's not like we're gonna money.
(02:27):
Probably not.
We got nothing else to do.
Yes, so the last show that wepublished Will be two weeks ago
by the time this one drops out,but that was the day that IOS,
ipad OS, watch OS, tv OS andHomePod whatever they call that
software these days we're allreleased then, and Just this
(02:48):
past week We've had Mac OS,sonoma released, the new iPhones
and Apple watches have shipped,so there's a whole lot of new
stuff, jeff, and so I figuredfor this show We'll just talk
about the new stuff.
You've got something new totalk about?
Jeff (03:00):
I do, I do, I picked up a titanium iPhone 15 inch and and
15 inch Dude.
I Swear.
You know I swear this everytime.
Maybe it's a lie.
I have not been drinking.
I I found 15 pro 15 inch, 15inch.
Tom (03:22):
MacBook.
I think that's the.
That's gonna be the next iPadsize, I think is like a 15.
Okay, so I'm seeing the.
If we had a bet book, we couldput it in the bet book.
We don't have a bed book.
Jeff (03:33):
I don't have enough money as it is, I need to be betting
what I don't have anyway.
Sorry, I phone 15 pro max, not15 inch, although you know who
knows, maybe someday that'll bea thing.
Did pick up in the titaniumtitanium.
I did have to wait for it acouple of days.
I went to the AT&T store,ordered it and I Got it.
(03:55):
This is the first time I'musing a pro max.
That's right.
You're up sized, correct?
I did up size and I will say itis not significantly different
than what I was holding when Ihad the last one.
I had was 13.
That I traded in with a leathercase on it.
(04:15):
This one is running aroundnaked, at least for the moment,
and the size is notsignificantly different than
than that.
So in my hand I'm not.
I thought it might be a little.
Okay, continue.
Listen, I wasn't being filthy,you are.
(04:39):
Right into it.
We had 15 inches in my hand,Sorry you don't lie much, do you
know not?
Much at all.
Oh hi this this one's off.
Tom (04:49):
We've fallen off the rails straight ahead.
Jeff (04:52):
Yeah, you're welcome.
Tom (04:53):
Thanks for hanging out with us.
We'll see you next time.
It's great.
Jeff (04:59):
So the phone in my hand is not significantly different or
doesn't feel significantlydifferent than the the 13 pro
that I was using before.
So it's nice feel the width isnot that big a difference.
It's taller, definitely taller,and that that is where the
(05:19):
biggest part of the differenceis.
Uh, one downside to this isthat in my car I now have to use
a plug to charge my phonebecause the it it had MagSafe
wireless charging in the car itno longer fits In the place
(05:41):
where it used to go.
It's a little taller andtherefore does not sit in that
spot.
It's not a big deal.
It just picked up the, you know, picked up a cable and plug it
in.
But it that is a thing, that isa thing it's important to know
too that often when I was doingthat wireless charging, the
thing heated up so much that itwould not Charge.
You know I got a little tootoasty, but you know small,
(06:02):
small potatoes as far as Iconcerned, uh, really loving the
camera, I think.
Did I send you picturesyesterday?
I don't think I did not yet.
No, okay, yeah, I um.
So not quite the harvest moon,we're almost there, but last
night I was walking home and, uh, the moon was up over the
mountain behind my house, took anice little picture which I'll
(06:24):
send to you.
Tom (06:25):
Used the wait, that one you did send.
Jeff (06:27):
Yeah, I did.
I sent you the moon.
So stop.
You know, my mind is bad enoughalready.
Tom, don't tell me.
I didn't send you things when Idid.
Oh, I remember that it's anabusive relationship.
It is, yeah, and that's why welove each other pretty much.
So that the new lens really,really nice.
(06:47):
I've been just goofing aroundwith it.
I did send you a few of thosepictures where I, you know, did
wide angle view of.
Tom (06:54):
My feet.
Yeah, thanks I feet.
Jeff (06:56):
Yeah, so great.
Oh, I know you're into that.
Tom (06:59):
Oh yeah um.
Jeff (07:03):
So I'm sorry folks, just like a hot mess, it's been a
long week.
It has been, um, so Reallyloving that.
But I, I in this is, you know,in this moment, in this moment,
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna saythis Uh, I don't know if I
(07:26):
needed to make this purchase.
Why do I say that, tom, I lovethe camera, but the reality is I
would not buy a thousand dollarcamera every two years, nor
would I you know what I'm sayingI would not pay A thousand
dollars to have a better cameraevery couple of years.
(07:50):
Uh, and that is to me the mostsignificant piece of this
Upgrade you said you were comingfrom the 13.
Tom (08:01):
Correct, I came from the 13 .
Jeff (08:02):
Okay, and I loved the 13.
The battery life was getting alittle, you know, I won't say it
was bad, it was still runningall day, but not what I was used
to.
Yeah, um, but in terms of whatI got for my buck, I got an
extra lens and some otherfeatures.
You know some otherphotographic features, which is
(08:24):
really what you know they.
I always go by the adage thatyou know what's the best phone
to have.
It's the one that you have withyou.
Um, or sorry, what's the bestcamera?
Right, see, I can't, I don'tknow what I'm doing tonight.
You should drink, I should,because I probably be better.
Um, I, uh.
So what's the best camera?
(08:45):
It's the one you have with youand I always have the phone with
me and I Always take pictures.
I take pictures almost everysingle day.
So you know, I'm happy to havethe new lens.
But if I were using, you know,photo kit, you know my old Nikon
, I might have bought a new lensand I would have used that lens
(09:07):
until the end of time.
And then, when I bought a newNikon, if I did that at some
point in time, the lenses allstill work with the same camera
body.
So I.
I have been on a and every twoyear upgrade plan.
That's.
That's the way I've been for along time.
(09:28):
I don't know whether I'm gonnaneed to do that going forward,
unless you know they have somekind of transporter beam in the
next one.
It's, it's not to me.
I've reached a point where thespeed of my last phone was fine,
mm-hmm.
Yeah, I was gonna ask aboutthat really good.
Tom (09:49):
What's that?
I was going to ask about thatIf you've noticed any perceived
speed Increases with what you doday to day, because you could
throw the benchmarks on andit'll say, oh, it's 35% faster,
but in a daily usage of thething, you know it's hard to
what I do.
Jeff (10:03):
It does take pictures really quickly, right.
So you and that was one of thethings that they shot for that,
you know you, you press thebutton or you, you know you tap
that little, that little tapper,it takes a quick picture, right
, hey, in that for sure it's,it's doing really quickly.
But on my day-to-day Don't know, and it's kind of you know that
(10:26):
that came to be the case withcomputers.
I used to get like a newMacBook or power book back in
the day.
I would, I would, I do theywere nice.
Tom (10:38):
I mean, if you had to use it today, obviously it would be
very crappy, because right,we've progressed so far, but
past that, but at the time theywere, they were really great.
Jeff (10:47):
Yeah, but I, as far as computers, I don't like I need a
new one every eight years.
Now, mm-hmm, you know, sevenyears.
I wait till it really Reallyruns down like the one I have
now, especially thanks to thethieves I, you know I I can't
see Out growing it.
(11:09):
For you know, seven or eightyears is like why?
No reason to do that, and Ifeel like for myself this is not
gonna be true of everybody, butfor myself the phone is more
than enough.
And To upgrade just for acamera and spend that much money
just for a camera, I don'tthink I need to do it anymore.
(11:30):
Cool to have the tech.
Tom (11:32):
I like it.
Jeff (11:33):
Yep, but I don't know if I need it and I'm gonna say I got
the titanium titanium, it'snice.
That just sounds funny.
I know.
Titanium, titanium, whoa Um,sounds like some Marvel.
Tom (11:47):
I don't know Marvel bad guy .
The guy didn't make the cutlike sorry, you're out, we've
got everyone else.
Titanium.
Titanium is out, he's.
He's gonna be an evil doer.
Now he's the me of Marvelcharacters it's.
Jeff (12:02):
I Gotta say this season of color Ain't so hot on these.
Like it's okay, it looks likesilver, to be frank with you,
and when I compared it when Iwas handed in my, my 13, which
had the green 13 which I liked,but they even that looks kind of
like this, like this newtitanium, titanium, the natural,
(12:27):
titanium natural, whatever Isit really natural oh that's what
they say.
Tom (12:32):
It's gotta be, if they say it.
Jeff (12:35):
It, it doesn't look.
It doesn't look all thatdifferent to me, you know.
It's just like.
It's okay.
I have something like.
Tom (12:43):
I agonize.
I don't want agonize anymore,but I used to say, well, always
get the silver one, maybe I'llget, you know, space gray or
whatever.
But then I always put a case onit and so all I really see is
the bump out around the Camera.
Yeah, and that's all I see, butyeah, whatever.
So with those lenses that arein the new one, when you're in
(13:05):
the camera app, what do you havein there, like point five one,
two X and five X?
Is that what you correct?
Jeff (13:10):
That's the way it shows up and you know.
So you end up with an extra one.
It was kind of interesting.
I can't remember maybe it wasMac rumors, I can't remember if
you sent it to me to not or not,or if it's something that I I
saw.
But they, you know they'reusing like a prismatic mirror in
it to be able to get that kindof depth.
On the, on that lens, somebodyhad done a mock-up of how deep
(13:34):
it would need to be and you knowif it was an actual lens and it
was sticking out aboutthree-quarter on edge.
Tom (13:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jeff (13:42):
So you know that's.
That's pretty miraculous.
That works really well.
I have the Action capabilitiesnow, so I did not have it in the
previous version of.
I don't think the iPhone 13 hadthe ability to.
You know, for you to run downthe street like that ad With the
mom chasing her kid as he'srunning a race.
(14:03):
She's bouncing all over theplace yeah, 13.
Tom (14:06):
I don't think.
I don't think I think they putthat in on the 14 right you, you
have it or you have it.
Jeff (14:12):
I have it now.
I used it to shoot some birdson my bird feeder.
To shoot pictures.
I didn't shoot the birds.
No pita people, please.
Tom (14:22):
It's on there in the 14.
I Used it.
Maybe once I used it to shoot.
Jeff (14:29):
Video of birds and my bird feeder Work great because
usually you know I can't getquite close enough to them.
That the new lens gets me a lotcloser Than than it did before.
But I had to zoom in a littlein addition to the what the lens
was to be able to get a goodlook at the bird.
And I put on that action modebecause the further you zoom you
(14:50):
know when it's handheld it getsjacked up.
You know you're.
It looks like you're on anocean liner in a bad storm, at
least when I'm holding it.
Action mode was great.
It it centered.
You wouldn't even know that Iwas wobbling around in the way
that I was, so it did great workof being able to keep
everything in there.
So I like that.
Yeah, new me that.
Tom (15:11):
That link with the part of the review where they used
action mode.
Uh-huh, who did that is?
I can't remember his name.
Jeff (15:19):
I know if, soon as you say it up again, definitely that's,
yeah, yeah yeah, and have tolook back at what I've sent you
in the past and we've beenchatting a lot.
We have been, and if you wantto call chatting Well, it's
mostly me raging out bit.
Yes, hold on, I'll tell you whoit is.
I'm scrolling back.
You're not talking about theAngie agar no.
(15:42):
She's too sorry, completely offtopic, but the the football
Maven, she's the best I justgotta.
I just gotta say she doesamazing recaps of football week,
especially for me, a guy whodoesn't watch football.
I'm scrolling back it's a longways and always back and Hold on
(16:03):
.
Tyler stallman.
There we go, yeah, great.
So he he had some thoughtsabout the action button.
I have switched the X andbutton.
As I said, I went to halide.
I Downloaded a new little app,which is actually not an app.
It just really adds a bunch ofactions to Shortcuts that are
(16:27):
pretty useful.
That I think I'm gonna make itso I can do a couple of
different things with the actionbutton.
But right now the action buttonholds halide or opens halide.
When you hold it Sorry, that's,I was jumping ahead in my mind
you, you have to hold it down,you can't just click it.
So, which is probably a goodidea, because then you don't
accidentally Trigger stuff on apocket, right?
(16:50):
Is that a camera in your pocketor use that piece.
No.
Tom (16:54):
Thought we steered away from that, but here we are yet.
Jeff (17:00):
Sorry.
So the one of the things thathe said.
What was his name?
Again, tyler stallman.
Yeah, okay, tyler stallman,which we should probably post.
That video was really good.
Video about the photographyfeatures yes, he's a
professional photographer.
About the photography featuresthe placement of the action
button Little high, it's above,you know, the volume switches,
(17:26):
where you'd expect it to be, andit Makes more sense now that it
is not a mute, you know, asilence switch.
It makes more sense for it tobe, I think, beneath the volume
buttons, where it's easier toget at with your thumb right,
which is more about the halfwaypoint.
(17:50):
Yeah, you wanted about thehalfway point and it is not.
And particularly on the Pro Max, which is bigger, I Would have
to look at it and see where theyactually align.
But because the Pro Max isbigger, that's a reach.
Yeah, I can get to it, but it'sdefinitely, definitely a reach.
So it may be in some redesignit might make more sense to have
(18:12):
that have that sit below thevolume button, since it's no
longer a volume toggle.
I Never have the volume on onmy phone.
Tom (18:22):
Me either.
Yeah, I always have that off.
Jeff (18:25):
Yep, so I Don't need.
You know that that button wasuseless to me.
I didn't use it for anythingexcept for when he went to like
some Some video games.
If you play them you need tohave the volume on and this way
to be able to do it, unless youhad headphones on.
But other than that there's noreason to you know there's no
(18:45):
reason to do it so.
But I will say I love thefeature and I'm looking forward
to doing a little more work withthat to kind of Add some other
options where I can do selectfrom a list and maybe, if I want
the camera open but make iteasy.
But the ease with which I cannow open halide, which remember
(19:05):
I did the little tap the backtwice, yep, or knock three times
on the ceiling if you, oh no,oh tack two times.
I know it's the worst show everbecause you're stuck with me
singing.
You know Songs from a long timeago that nobody knows the.
If I no longer need to use that, I can just.
(19:25):
I can just open halide that way.
So I like, I like that a lot.
I do Enjoy.
I don't even know what it'scalled.
What's the silly thing at thetop called?
I'm supposed to be.
This is a tech podcast, right.
Tom (19:38):
Oh, the dynamic other things.
Jeff (19:39):
Dynamic island I like that a lot.
I'm finding that there are alot of things about it that I
enjoy.
But I will say again, buyingthe phone for the dynamic island
, you know, I don't that's.
That's not enough, I don'tthink, to justify.
Tom (20:01):
No you know, especially that's down on the 15 now too.
So if you could, if you reallywanted that, you could save a
few bucks and just get theregular iPhone 15, which is, at
least from what I recall fromthe, the event.
It sounds Almost just like the14 Pro, but it's now just the 15
, because right 15.
So that's a really solid phone.
Jeff (20:23):
It is, yeah it, absolutely solid.
So, anyway, it's from thatperspective.
You know, I'm happy to have thecamera, but I am gonna, I think
, start rethinking my.
You know, once every two yearsupgrade your phone point of view
.
I Don't know that I need to dothat anymore, you know right.
(20:47):
Unless there's something.
Tom (20:50):
You know, we get a big redesign or something
groundbreaking comes out, thenit's like okay, oh, that'll kind
of maybe throw my pattern what?
Jeff (20:57):
what is groundbreaking at this point for your phone?
Nothing, yeah right, you knowthey're.
I don't see.
I mean it's like somegroundbreaking Do we?
Tom (21:07):
are we with laptops these days?
I mean?
Jeff (21:09):
yeah, they look nice and.
Tom (21:11):
It's a lot.
Sit on and do the same rightform as the power books.
We talked about 10 minutesright, and so I've got 14 pro
now and, like you, I usually dothe every other cycle and and
I'm on the fence about that, butwe'll see.
Jeff (21:28):
Yeah, I'm, I mean.
Tom (21:30):
Perfectly content with with what I have.
Jeff (21:33):
Yeah, and and truth of the matter is and I don't think I
knew it until I had this in myhands, but I was perfectly
content with my 13.
Tom (21:41):
Yeah, no, did you hand that down to someone or traded in or
Normally?
Jeff (21:47):
I would have my son who was driving my 11 Mm-hmm he.
He was ready for a new phoneand I was gonna hand it down to
him, but we both decided thathe'll he'll get a new one.
So he is actually getting thesame one that I have.
Tom (22:07):
Okay, yeah, it's what I actually do is I take and hand
it down I.
Jeff (22:13):
Did get these through AT&T and you know you have to sell
your soul to them, but they weregiving.
Basically, I got a.
I got a thousand dollars for my13 okay, helps.
Yeah, so you know they tried infor a thousand dollars and I
get you know this for thosemarketers know what they're
doing.
They do and you know for mewho's not gonna be doing
(22:36):
anything for three yearsprobably.
Anyway, I'm perfectly fine.
So he's doing the same thing.
They gave him 800, 700 for the11, maybe 600, I can't remember.
I'd have to ask him, but hePretty good for that 11.
Tom (22:51):
Yeah, I think a co-worker she, I Want to say, got six or
700 for hers.
She got the 15 Mm-hmm in theblue color.
Okay, and how's that look?
I haven't seen it in person yet.
I'm gonna try to get over toher.
How do you know she has it?
I believe her, she'strustworthy.
Jeff (23:08):
Is she sure?
Tom (23:09):
Yeah, well, I'm a little mad at her because she's leaving
us for a new job, but oh,that's beside the point, I'll
still appreciate her phone andeverything.
No, we are really sad thatshe's leaving.
She's been great, but she's gota really sweet offer and that's
where Tremendously happy forher as a person.
But in a selfish way yeah, cuzshe, she kicked butt, she was
(23:31):
great, great so is she a studentor a former student?
No, she came in just right atthe start of pandemic stuff,
just before she was referral bysomeone else, and she's one of
our help desk technicians Okayyeah but she did run our, she
built up our work, studytechnician program and all the
training and really Knocked itout of the park and and did a
(23:51):
great job.
Jeff (23:52):
So yeah, thanks a year For her.
Yes, understood, understood.
Tom (23:57):
All right.
So the new phone sounds likeyou're pretty happy with it.
I mean the phone itself.
You're perfect.
Jeff (24:03):
I love the phone.
It's just.
Did you really?
Tom (24:05):
need to get it?
Probably not, but you got inhere the right it's fine, I'm
not disappointed with it.
Jeff (24:10):
I do like it.
I the rounder edges on this tooI.
It is like I said, naked wehave, we can talk about
bullstrap in a minute, but afteryou talk about watchy stuff,
but the Edges it's a really.
It has a really nice.
I'm gonna sound like a Somaliahere now has a nice hand feel
(24:35):
Mouthfeel for wine, wine.
Tom (24:38):
God, that's so pretentious, I can't stand.
Jeff (24:43):
It really.
Those edges are really reallynice.
Tom (24:46):
Yeah, everyone seems to like that and I think what's
probably helped you a good bitwith the up sizing to the pro
max is that it's lighter and soit is your net weight increase.
I'd be curious, having Ihaven't looked it up, to see
like how much the 13 Pro was interms of weight and then what
(25:06):
the 15 pro max is and to see howclose they are.
But it's probably has helpedout, because my wife has the 14
pro max and that's junkie, likeit's got some heft, mm-hmm.
Jeff (25:19):
So this is.
I held this, you know, when Iwas trading it in, I held them
both Side-by-side, and this isdefinitely lighter than than
that one.
Tom (25:28):
That's pretty good, but it's still got some heft.
Jeff (25:30):
Yeah, and I do like that.
You know I don't want it tofeel like it's a piece of
garbage, right, it does.
It does feel.
It does feel very nice, and thefact that the width is roughly
the same, I think, makes a bigdifference too.
Tom (25:47):
Yeah.
Ice cream bars, which is yeah,I scream sandwich, candy, bar,
whatever they call, so thatthey're not super big.
Remember when the seven Okay,what are?
They caught them, the seven,the big seven, like this yes
right, I had that huge, it wasmassive and but the screen, the
(26:11):
screen was big.
But you that's back when theystill had like the home button
and everything.
So you had that on top of thebig screen.
So those are really really bigand have this is so case-wise.
You do not have a case yet.
Jeff (26:22):
No, so funny story.
Um, I ordered a bullstrap caseas talked about in the last show
, correct?
And I Got it and looked at it.
No, you're a torque.
I I Ordered the.
I didn't order one for the 15pro max, I ordered one for the
(26:43):
15 pro.
Tom (26:44):
What you bought for years, though, so that makes sense
right.
Jeff (26:47):
I well, I just wasn't even looking at, didn't even think
twice when I ordered this.
I have gotten in contact withtheir customer service, though,
and they're brilliant.
I will say, first of all, thebullstrap case lifetime warranty
.
They will replace it up totwice a year.
Holy smokes, right Twice, up totwice a year on their warranty.
(27:09):
You have to send pictures andstuff like that.
That's okay, man but yeah aboutthis, they were Really cool like
they.
You know I didn't want toreturn it.
I needed to do somethingspecial to exchange it because
they didn't give you the optionto exchange for a larger size.
But I Contacted them via email,took me a couple emails back
(27:32):
and forth, but you know I'msending this you know this new,
old one unwrapped back to themand not unwrapped, sorry, still
in the box and and they'resending me back the 15 pro max,
which is really really nice.
But they've been a reallyCharming to deal with.
And, by the way, I have nosponsors, but I'm perfectly
(27:57):
happy to tell it.
Doesn't say that bullstrap isamazing.
I also ordered this weekbecause this is kind of crazy I
ordered a package of for air tagholders because they were not.
I guess they're not making themanymore, so I'm getting four
for the price of essentially oneaccording to what their old
(28:21):
price scheme was From bull strap, nice, nice.
So yeah, really, really nicestuff.
So I will have a leather case.
I tried to go out and buy afine woven case, just so we
could talk about it here.
Tom (28:35):
It was supposed to be.
The rage with the kids thesedays is to talk about that.
Jeff (28:39):
Yeah well you know, I don't believe it until you touch
it, so I I.
Tom (28:44):
Which I saw one.
Did I tell you that I saw afriend of the show, Gannon's he?
We met up a couple of weeksbefore the talk.
You said he hated it too right.
Well, at that point he did nothave the phone.
He just had the case, and so wemet up and because the case got
.
They shipped the cases thatkind of week before the phones
started to arrive.
And so he got like on a Mondayor Tuesday or something.
But anyway, we met up and heshowed it to me and at that
(29:08):
point some of the early peoplehad gotten them and had looked
at some of the things onlineabout it and the my initial take
on it wasn't quite as negativeon at first glance as some of
the other people have had.
But it ain't great.
It's a weird texture, like theway it feels is weird, and he
(29:32):
did end up sending it back.
He started to kind of fray alittle bit already.
I mean, he had the phone inthere for just a few days and
he's like, yeah, I'm gonna sendthat back, that's not gonna cut
it.
And I've seen some otherpictures that people have posted
and I don't know it's.
If Apple will make money off ofit, they'll continue to sell it
(29:53):
, and if they do not, they'llcome up with something else.
Right, yeah, I will.
And, by the way, the leathercases we talked about last time
too, those have not been good oflate either.
So it's you trade one for theother.
And I think the thing and wetalked about it and Gannon
mentioned it to me too that hiswords were it felt more like a
$29 case than a $59 case.
And I think this is what a lotof people have said.
(30:14):
They're like this was $29 or$39?
That, okay, that's not too bad.
But you're telling, okay, we'renot doing the leather cases,
which are the upsell right Forthe cases.
You get your silicone and youget the leather and this is to
replace it, but it doesn'tquality wise feel like a
replacement.
It feels like two or threesteps below that.
(30:36):
So, anyhow, I won't get one ofthose.
That's why I'm really curiousto see, once you get the leather
case that you've got coming Notthat I'm not even in the market
for one Like the one I havefrom Apple for the 14, I got
black this time, so you can'treally tell, like when the edges
and stuff get dinged up.
So it'll be fine.
Jeff (30:56):
Yeah, and I will say I did look at that bullstrap leather
one before I you know, yeah, andyou said you really thought
what the quality is.
Oh my gosh quality is freakingridiculous and it's the kind of
thing like the Apple cases don'tage well.
Tom (31:13):
Not anymore.
They used to.
Jeff (31:15):
This, I feel like, is gonna age pretty well, like it's
gonna be pretty nice.
Yes, I'm killing the ozone byhaving leather, but I still am
gonna, I think, try to go nakedmost of the time, then maybe if
I go out to dinner or something.
I'll put the leather case on it.
Tom (31:34):
Dress it up a bit yeah which you know.
Jeff (31:38):
I do change my watch faces to match my clothes, like I
change the color of my watchface to match.
Why not Just a silly fun thingto do?
But I will have the fine wovenand we'll have a little talk
about that next week.
I thought I was gonna get itsometime yesterday or today, but
(31:58):
it's arriving apparentlytomorrow.
Thank you, Amazon, and youcouldn't.
I couldn't get them.
Actually, I went to Best Buy totry to get one and they had
sold out of everything otherthan one silicon case.
Tom (32:12):
Jeez, that was it.
Usually the way it goes thatfirst week it's like well, we
got 20 and we sold them allSounds like okay.
All right, so we will continueto monitor the case situation
with you as that comes inSoftware side of things, we got
a whole bunch of new software,as we talked about at the top of
the show.
You'd been running the betasall summer once they came out.
Jeff (32:34):
So I don't think well For the last month.
Tom (32:37):
Okay, didn't jump in right away, so you've had those for a
while.
I had only run the beta ofSonoma on the work machine and,
as betas go, that one was prettysolid, and so I upgraded my Mac
mini on Tuesday when it cameout and haven't noticed any
issues with that.
I haven't spent much time onthat and we'll get to that in a
(32:57):
minute.
It's kind of a low key upgrade.
Jeff (33:02):
Yeah, it definitely is.
Tom (33:03):
Some little quality of life things, depending on which
applications you use.
Like it's nice to have thewidgets on the desktop, kind of
like that, the screensaverdesktop, of course.
Once they showed that I kind ofexpressed how happy I was about
that.
It has not been adisappointment, that has been
great.
But I think that kind of saysin terms of features, if you're
talking about widgets on thedesktop and screensavers as the
(33:26):
marquee features, it's a servicepack, as they used to say for
windows back in the day.
Jeff (33:33):
Yeah, it's interesting because Apple for a while and
they kind of got off this cyclefor a while Like, if I think
back to Snow Lepard, what theywould do is they would do a
significant upgrade and thenthey would do some retooling
underneath so you didn't get alot on the front end, and then
they would do anothersignificant facelift and then
(33:54):
the next version they would dosomething.
Tom (33:58):
Yeah, Leopard Snow, Lepard Lion, Mountain Lion, Yep, All of
those.
Jeff (34:02):
They almost did some of that with Sierra Hi Sierra, but
they've yeah, not quite, andthey kind of fell off of that
when they were doing the tryingto match the iOS and now iPad OS
and Mac OS cycle.
They're trying to do everythingat once.
Tom (34:18):
And it's a little bit.
They're damned if they do anddamned if they don't.
Because if they don't do a Macupgrade to bring the iOS stuff
over, then people say see, theydon't care about the Mac, they
only care about the iPhone.
And then, when they do do it,why are they upgrading all the
time?
We don't need an upgrade everyyear and so and it is what it is
(34:39):
.
I think they do aim to do agood job.
Sometimes they nail it,sometimes they fall short, like
we all do.
Jeff (34:45):
Yeah, I would say that's true, but I'm very happy with
Sonoma.
It's funny.
I had to adjust settings on mycomputer in order to enjoy the
benefits of the screensaver,because I usually just have my
computer blink off.
I never go to a screensaver.
So I really am enjoying that,and it's also changing my
(35:09):
desktop backgrounds in the sameway.
Tom (35:12):
So gorgeous pictures, yeah, that whole transition from when
you log in and the screen kindof comes to a stop, and that's
really nice.
Jeff (35:20):
It seems so simple, but it's a nice effect and those are
the nice details that you liketo have happen.
It's like in the last, thepreceding iOS update, where
which both you and I raved aboutit and I still love this
feature is that where it changesyour home screen or your lock
(35:42):
screen is really the one I haveto do this with where it changes
the pictures on every yeah.
Tom (35:47):
It's still used to get.
Jeff (35:49):
Same and I get so much delight out of that Every day,
multiple times a day.
Correct.
And what's really kind of coolis now that I have a phone that
has an always on screen, I cansee pictures there too, which is
Takes it next level, really,because, because sometimes
you're just looking around andyou're like oh, look at that I
(36:09):
haven't seen that picture inforever.
Tom (36:12):
It kind of pops up.
Those are really nice touches,agree.
So, Go ahead.
Jeff (36:18):
Oh no, just good stuff and in iOS, the current version of
iOS.
Like I said, like you said,I've been working on it for a
little bit and it's been solid.
There's nothing, really, thatdrives me nuts.
Tom (36:35):
Any of the major new features in iOS you're taking
advantage of or liking thatstick out.
Jeff (36:43):
No, Like which one, I don't know, Like it's not, and
this, I think this kind of goesto my point.
You know, I will say, the thingthat I have noticed and this is
probably a new phone thing isthat my ability, particularly
(37:04):
with Dynamic Island, to connectto AirPods and AirPods HomePods
that is working much better.
But I don't know that that's anOS update and there's not a lot
of stuff under the covers thatI've taken advantage of.
I don't think I have to kind oflook around and play with it a
little bit and see if there'sanything, even that even appeals
(37:27):
in some of the new features.
So the answer is I've been abad user in that regard.
Well, Well talk to me Tom.
Tom (37:35):
I mean, geez, we do a podcast and all yeah, I know.
Jeff (37:39):
I'm supposed to pretend like I, you know, use every
single thing yeah.
Tom (37:45):
So some of the messages stuff we've fooled around with.
They did redo the that app trayfor lack of a better word.
I don't know if that's exactlywhat they call it.
But when you're in a message inprior to iOS 17, they had that
little bar that would run acrossthe top at the keyboard.
There you can choose images orstickers and things like that.
(38:07):
They change that.
So you just get a right next tothe text field you get a plus
symbol and then you tap that andthen that brings up the list of
apps.
I kind of liked that better.
It took me a little while toget used to it, just because it
was different.
It once, especially once Ifigured out you can press and
hold on the list and rearrangethings.
So your most common ones are upat the top, like the images.
(38:28):
One was kind of down too far,so I moved it up.
Press and hold on that plussign takes you right into the
photo selector.
So if you want to send someonea picture, you don't have to
necessarily tap plus and thenphotos.
You can just hold on the plusand then the photo selector
comes up.
So that's kind of a nice littletouch there, so I do use that
like that.
Haven't done much in terms oflike the new gestures for
(38:52):
messages where you can swipe toreply and things like that.
Jeff (38:57):
Yeah, I haven't done that.
I haven't done FaceTime andaccidental thumbs up and had it
go.
Tom (39:04):
Yeah, yeah, we were doing that in zoom today at work and
Because it carries over to thatright, because it's part of it.
The stickers, that the newthing with the stickers.
We can do it on your photosthat that's a that's nicely
implemented.
It is actually I'll use it alot, but it's it's very nicely
implemented.
It was kind of fun to playaround with and my mom got
(39:25):
excited about it.
So I showed her how to do it nowshe's sending everyone stickers
, so they're probably cursing myname for that.
So that was kind of nice.
Jeff (39:36):
What I have used, and kind of used by accident, because I
wasn't even thinking that it wasthere, but I screened a phone
call the other day.
It was getting a phone callfrom someone.
Yeah and I.
It was not a number that Irecognized, and so I kicked it
to voicemail and and it put thevoicemail on the screen.
(39:56):
I was able to pick it up andtalk to the person in the middle
, and, which was great, it wassomebody I needed to talk to
good it wasn't for.
Tom (40:03):
about your extended warranty?
No, it definitely wasn't aboutmy extended warranty.
Jeff (40:07):
It was something.
It was hey, I'm here at theplace and you're not here.
And I was expecting a phonecall before, like when, when the
person was on their way, so Iwas able to pick it up, say, hey
, I'm getting in the car, I'llbe right over, you know, kind of
kind of thing.
Yeah, so that's a nice feature.
It's old school in terms of,you know, screening your
(40:28):
messages, but, right, I did useit and I really do like that.
It's pretty great.
Tom (40:34):
I've looked at Standby a little bit.
I think in the last show Icalled that by the wrong name.
It's standby nut.
I keep wanting to say it'snightstand or something.
Jeff (40:42):
I can't really say it, but it was stupid.
Tom (40:45):
I said but I have looked at that problem with me.
That for that is.
I think that would be nice Ifyou've got a mag safe charger
where you can plop the phone upthere and then you can actually
use it.
But I don't have that yet, butit's making me consider.
Maybe do doing that.
We'll see Interactive widgets.
That's nice.
I.
Used one of those today too,without realizing it was working
(41:08):
, so it's nice to be able toMark off what to do was done
without it switching into theapp.
Jeff (41:14):
So that's yeah, I really I did it accidentally.
Today I had something fantastichowl that I had to say was done
.
I tapped it and it worked.
Didn't that task out?
So that was, that is a nicething, yeah.
So so when you say, have I usedanything?
I have used to have, but butand this is kind of a beautiful
thing about that is that I Usedthem without realizing.
(41:37):
I discovered them Magically, ifyou will, you know, rather than
and that used to be an an oldyou know, apple has always been
of a mind where they let youkind of discover features and
when you you do something islike oh, look at how this does
this and that's kind of how thishas worked.
(41:58):
For me it's kind of a littlebit more the way of discovery.
So I like it.
Tom (42:02):
Yeah, yep, it has been pretty good.
The air drop stuff is nice.
Jeff (42:07):
Where you just bring the phones together.
Tom (42:09):
You know close by, you can bump them.
You don't have to bump them.
But it's got a nice littleeffect and everything and so
that that was kind of nice.
It seemed work fine.
I've only done it a couple oftimes.
That's still airdrop, so did it.
Who knows if sometimes it'llwork, sometimes it won't, we'll
see.
Maybe it'll work all the timenow I have no idea.
That was kind of nice andthat's really top of mind for me
(42:30):
of the stuff that I've noticedand have actually used For iOS.
Jeff (42:35):
Yeah, I I will use A downloaded maps for offline use.
Tom (42:40):
Yeah, that'll be a good one definitely, particularly for
hiking.
Jeff (42:43):
I'll use that.
I have not had opportunity todo that yet, but okay, I
definitely will.
But here's here's a question,tom how are you liking watch OS
Mmm?
Tom (43:01):
That talking to me, baby.
So I have stated on this showand I've stated to you multiple
times in messages and thingslike that well, we were watching
the keynote and the event, Itold you if I were going to work
at Apple and the watch is theproduct I would like to work on.
No, I'm a big fan of Applewatch.
I love the Apple watch.
I have loved the Apple watch.
(43:22):
I'm all say I love series zero,series two, like the premise or
the promise that it had.
Yeah, it kept me around.
So I said, okay, this is gonnaget better, it's gonna get
faster, the software will catchup and hardware will make it
better and and it did.
Screens got bigger, it'sbrighter or everything you know
started to hom and it's.
It's been great.
Jeff (43:42):
Mm-hmm I.
Tom (43:44):
Do not like this update.
Jeff (43:46):
Tell us why.
Tom (43:47):
Tom, and, and I will say, as we mentioned earlier,
sometimes you do things and theyturn out great.
Sometimes you do things andthey turn out average.
Sometimes you do things andthey turn out not well.
There are parts of it that I do, like it's not a complete
clunker right and it's not but Ifeel, and at first I thought it
(44:10):
was just me, and then I startedto look around and I'm far from
the only person.
I sent you that reddit threadand it was like my tribe was
there.
Jeff (44:19):
Like my people, look at you guys.
Tom (44:23):
And I think the guy says ten things I hate about watch OS
10 or whatever you named it itwas, and there's just.
It feels and I'll preface itwith this that we don't know
what's coming up.
So some of these changes thatright now seem arbitrary and
kind of goofy and it's likechange for the sake of change.
Apple's track record typicallyis pretty good, so I was like,
(44:45):
okay, maybe they shot and theymissed.
Maybe there's something comingup in the super redesigned watch
or Series 10 watch, this comingup where it's be like oh,
that's why they were training usto do it this way instead of
the old way, because this wascoming out next year but it's
not here yet, so we can only gowith what we have today.
It feels to me that it is farmore cumbersome to use.
(45:09):
Things take extra taps, extraclicks.
They've removed features,they've moved features.
It's a cluster, hmm, to me, andI know some people are content
with it and I think it's justlike everything else.
It's okay.
What pieces do you actually useof it?
And if you're a very casualuser and you just use a face and
(45:29):
you know, check your messagesand stuff like that, it's
probably okay.
But first off, the thing mostpeople seem to be complaining
about is it used to be superEasy to switch between watch
faces.
You would just swipe right andyou get go between the faces.
Can't do that anymore.
You've got to tap and holdright.
Jeff (45:49):
I feel that which yeah.
Tom (45:52):
Yeah, and I never switched like.
I had, you know, three or fourwatch faces I would use, but
they were in particularSituations like and so like from
one to the gym I would put on adifferent watch face, just so.
I'd have you know the set ofcomplications that were more
applicable for that activity,things like that, and so that
one I didn't use a lot, butstill it was nice just to do
(46:13):
that.
And this seems to me and againwe don't know what's coming but
it almost feels like well,that's the way you do it on
iPhone.
That's the way you do it now oniPad you press and hold and
then you swipe between your lockscreens.
So it's consistency and it'slike, well, maybe it is, but it
it's worse.
Jeff (46:31):
Right, there's more effort involved.
I'm gonna throw something atyou I know you're building a gym
, so you're gonna walk to yourgarage pretty soon, you know but
One of the easier ways.
I think that that could beresolved and I agree with you,
it should be super easy tochange those screens.
But if you had a Locationdirected focus, it would do that
(46:55):
like and I have.
Tom (46:57):
I used to do that with an automation when I was driving
over To the wellness center,like when I pulled into the
parking lot.
I had an automation that wasswitched to the face and start a
work.
Yeah, and it's funny I haven'tdisabled that and we've got a
campus near that, and so when Idrive over there, it's like now
switching to ship Still a work,I don't need it yet.
Jeff (47:15):
Which I should, just yeah, but that's, that doesn't
resolve the issue.
And I agree with you.
I was.
I thought it was an idiotactually when I was using the
betas, because I was like I wantto change my watch face and it
was sliding over from the oh.
Yeah, and finally realized Ihad to press, press and hold in
order to be able to do that.
Tom (47:36):
I agree that's a little Dumb right and think is, if it
had been that way from the start, that that's just the way it is
.
So yeah, try to balance it alittle bit with that.
And then I know, you know,there were times where I'd bump
it with something and it wouldactually not only change and I'd
have Swing it back and so thatone I'm like, okay, it's, it
ain't great, but it's.
I mean it's certainly not theworst.
(47:58):
Thing.
No so there's, what is the worst?
Thing?
Oh, there's, it's coming, I gota list.
I know you do.
Maybe longer than 10 it is, wewon't go through them all, but
okay, great.
The control center mm-hmm.
Used to swipe up to get tocontrol center, yes, and now
(48:18):
it's a side button, yes, why?
I have no idea.
No clue why, other than now, ifyou swipe up, you get the smart
stacks Right.
Apple seems intent on gettingus to use these smart stacks we
had that was as glances.
Way back in the day in earlywatch OS versions.
We had the Siri watch face,which was supposed to surface
the information you need whenyou need it, and that didn't
(48:40):
really work Right, so maybe itworks better here.
I I don't know Jury's out onthat one we'll see, but they
also, though, have that if youturn the crown.
Jeff (48:52):
Yes, right, it does that.
Tom (48:54):
I'm just going to say that that pissed a bunch of people
off, because on the Ultra, thatused to be how you got in
tonight mode with the red watchface on the Wayfinder face and
now on the new modular Ultraface, and so now you have a
setting by default is set toauto, so it uses the ambient
sensor and we'll turn the watchface.
Red watch face, the red watchface is really nice.
(49:15):
I like it a lot.
Yes, but there are times whereif my sleeve is down and it's
covering the thing, it's like,oh, night mode, I'm like no, no,
that's not night mode yet andyou can turn it off in the
settings for the face.
So but a lot of peoplecomplained about that one.
It's an annoyance.
It didn't really make me matteranything like that the let's
(49:41):
see where do I want to go next.
Jeff (49:44):
There's so much, Well, let me let me say related to that,
and using the, the, what used tobe able to change it to night
mode.
You also used to be able toscroll through your list of of
apps that way, and if the one inthe center, if you scrolled up,
it would zoom right into it andopen the app, and that's not
(50:06):
there anymore.
Tom (50:07):
Right, which is another because you can't really move
that honeycomb list around.
Just goes down, but it doesn'tlike it used to go like 360.
Yeah, but you can't do that.
Jeff (50:21):
Talk to me about workouts, Tom.
Tom (50:23):
Oh, jeff.
Jeff (50:24):
I'm just going to jump right to it Band-aid.
I want it right?
Okay, tear it off.
Tom (50:29):
Let's so the workout app.
I use the action button on theultra to start the workout app.
As do I.
That still works fine, noproblem.
Where I've run into somefriction with that Now that
wasn't there before is sometimesI will do multi mode workouts,
so I will hit the air bike for15 minutes.
(50:50):
I'll do maybe stretching for 20minutes after that or a
flexibility, as they have itlabeled such and used to be.
You'd be in the midst of thefirst workout.
You would swipe to the rightand you had four things to
choose from there.
Now you have three.
The one they took away was new,so you would just tap new.
(51:12):
It would start the new workout,you will prompt you to choose
which type of workout it was andthen it would start.
Now there's just an empty spotthere which looks unbalanced and
it looks messy, but you have toend the workout and then the
confirmation that comes up nowwhich, too, I don't really like
(51:34):
says and workout or new workout.
And I'm like this.
This makes no damn sense to meand it's like, if I'm ending, I
don't want to know, I want toknow, I want to know, I just
want to know.
Put the damn button back.
But the other thing that I usefrequently during workouts is
the timers app.
Yes, that took about four stepsbackwards and you used to be
(52:02):
able to set favorites and theywould show right up at the top
of the list.
So the ones that I commonly useduring workout, as I'm sure
most people do if they're goingto the gym and doing weights and
things like that is, you doyour set, you have your rest
period.
So it would be depending onwhat type of workout you're
doing.
If you're doing high reps, yourest period shorter.
You're doing low reps withheavier weights, usually your
(52:22):
rest periods are longer.
So I have favorites for oneminute, two minutes, three
minutes Super simple to get to.
That's gone, so you get resins.
So that's pretty annoying.
I've often wondered why, likethey haven't just put something
like that into the workout applike a shortcut to the timers.
They've got.
Hey guess what?
They've got an open spot therenow or they.
Jeff (52:43):
could you just swipe and go right to the timers?
Tom (52:46):
See, you can fill that spot .
The thing, though, that kind ofcomplicates that even more and
makes it even messier, is youused to be able to double press
the digital crown and it waslike an app switcher.
So if you were in the workoutapp, you went over to the timers
, you double pressed the crown,you're back in the workout app.
That's gone.
(53:07):
You get like a recent app or alist of recent apps and like
that little card format thatthey have.
So you can still do it, but youhave to kind of pack around and
stuff, and so this is what I'msaying is like every not
everything, but too many thingsare just there's like an extra
tap, it's an extra swipe, it'san extra dig down this way and
(53:29):
find this, and it just seems fora small screen device that I
just don't want to fiddle withit that much.
You got us used to this and Ithought it was pretty good.
Like I can see if they wantedto do visual changes, right, but
they did so many changes in theway that it operates.
Jeff (53:49):
And one of the things, and I think this is important to
note.
So, yes, you did point me to itReddit, where everybody was
crying about this, but I thinkthe point is it's not just you,
right?
You know there are a bunch ofpeople who have this same
feeling about these things, andI'm a newer watch user and, like
(54:13):
I said, I changed my watch facebecause, you know, I got a nice
shirt on and I want my watchface to match my nice shirt.
I have a watch face for whenwe're doing what we're doing,
right?
now they have a particular onethat I use when we're recording.
I have one.
Actually, now that you've setthat is pretty much my day today
(54:33):
.
You sent me a nice watch facethat I like.
That I've made a couple of finechanges to, but for the most
part I liked what you had donewith it.
So I'm keeping that and I havea working day watch face that is
different than that.
That has some things on itwhich I change when I change
focus.
So I have a focus that goes onwhen I start work at nine in the
(54:54):
morning that automaticallychanges those things.
When it comes to workouts, I'mnot doing what you're doing.
So I haven't.
I didn't feel any of thatfriction.
At the start.
I did notice that I had to doan extra step in order to end,
like if I was ending a hike.
It did take long and was likeokay, whatever.
When you're doing a bunch ofembedded workouts, I could see
(55:17):
where that's a royal pain in theneck, so I can.
Tom (55:21):
And I think it's one of those things where if it was,
you know if it was one thing,two things, but it's kind of
snowballed into death by athousand cuts that old phrase,
right.
It's just little annoyancesthat I felt like they had the
interface pretty finely tuned,like with the watchOS nine, like
, and that's what I say is ifthey wanted to spruce up the
(55:42):
visual components of it.
I don't like the new activityapp, like when you open it goes
to the rings full size and thenyou've got to scroll or swipe to
see your move, your exercisestand and things like that.
I will say it seems to bebetter for me on my series seven
.
It seemed like on the ultrawatch, the crown, the tension it
(56:05):
takes to get it to move, flipbetween the different screens is
more, and so it's like you flipit and like it doesn't go and
then it skips to and it's like,oh boy, um.
So that's a little messy andsome of the like visual fade in
and things like that make itseem kind of not smooth, um, but
you know, good thing aboutsoftware is any of that stuff if
(56:27):
enough people complain about it, they can fix it.
I mean it's not like it's ahardware flaw or something like
that, right, um, and so we'llgive them some time but I know a
lot of people have been kind ofand I still big fan of the
watch um that new face.
Jeff (56:42):
I love it.
I really like.
Yeah, it is, it's great.
It really is great and the factthat you can create multiples
of it for a variety, right.
Tom (56:50):
And the last, or the timer thing to kind of get around that
uh that I was complaining about, is I set up an automation so
that when I started a particularworkout type where I use the
timers, which is mostly strengthtraining that kind of thing, um
it switches to a face where thebottom three complications on
that uh new watch face aretimers one minute, two minutes,
(57:11):
three minutes.
Oh we'll get you, but thatdidn't quite.
I shouldn't have to do that, Ishouldn't, but I don't, I don't.
Okay, it didn't take long.
But even with that, like when Ido it, it takes you two minutes
, two the two minute timer, forexample, but it doesn't start it
.
It started Right.
I was like, oh, still anothertime.
Come on y'all Um the Snoopyface Cute.
(57:31):
Yeah, I'll never use it like onthe existence show, enough
stuff.
But I'll admit like sometimesin the evenings I put it on and
I chuckle at the goofyanimations and stuff that they
did.
Jeff (57:40):
I wasn't even going to put it on.
Tom (57:42):
So credit where credit's due with that and and again, you
know, not completely satisfiedwith it.
But I mean they're the tryingthings and we'll see where they
go.
I mean it's 10.0.
Let's see, we're at 10.1, 10.2.
Then when 11 comes out and andstuff and people adapt.
We get used to things and itwas not as good as it was back
(58:02):
then.
Well, no, but it's okay Soundslike tradwife Twitter.
Who.
Jeff (58:07):
Tradwife, you've never seen that traditional wife.
Oh yeah, everything's betterwhen you're walking around in a
crazy dress and you know makingbreakfast Just by killing the
cow Whoa.
Tom (58:21):
Yeah, I hadn't heard of that.
Yeah, so those are my thoughtson the watch OS.
Yeah, but I still love my watch.
Jeff (58:30):
Yeah, I'm, you know, like I said, I'm in and I've been
using iPad OS.
Tom (58:36):
We're not going to talk about it on this show because
it's it's getting close Time towrap this up.
Jeff (58:39):
It is time I've been doing a big stage manager experiment
and yeah, we'll want to hearmore about that, so maybe next
show we'll throw that in.
Tom (58:47):
I think we've got a.
Might have to be two shows fromnow.
I think we've got a guestcoming up pretty soon.
Look at us, I guess.
Yeah, Another guest.
Jeff (58:54):
People seem to listen.
Well, we have guests.
I don't know what that means,but that means other people have
friends and we don't True thatit's just us man, two, two old
loners.
Tom (59:05):
All right, all right.
Well, I think, jeff, I think wepretty much covered everything
we have.
Jeff (59:09):
I think we have, I think we've nailed it and this is a
great reminder that you can getto us at feedback at
basicafshowcom.
We definitely are interested inin hearing from you Back
catalog basicafshowcom or inyour favorite podcast feed.
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(59:30):
Randall's the best.
We should put this at the frontof the show and not the end,
but we'll talk about that later.
And then Psychokinetics is ourmusic and Psychokinetics kills
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Check them out and have alisten on iTunes, spotify or
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Tom (59:48):
Well done.
Jeff (59:50):
Look at me, I can read things.
Tom (59:51):
Well, that's it.
So, once again, as always, wedo appreciate you being here
with us.
Have a great rest of your day,rest of your night, and we will
talk to you next time, see ya.
Jeff (01:00:16):
Bye.
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