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Hey everybody, it's Prajesh here.
In Tana here. Welcome to our podcast Passes of
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Welcome to another episode of Baskets of Knowledge.
It's great to be back, Tanya, nice to see you again.
And what have you been to your Basket of Knowledge since we
last spoke? Yeah, I think probably my
biggest learning has just been to challenge yourself.
You know, I think the last couple of months as I've been
going through this transition period, I think it's been quite
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easy at times to just sit in my comfort zone.
And I think there's definitely atime place for it, but I also
think that sometimes you have tobe that one to start to motivate
yourself, to challenge yourself.So it's been a real eye opener.
I think as I get back into full time work and start getting back
into a bit of a routine, that yes, sometimes that motivation
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has to come from yourself. And I know that's easier said
than done, but I think sometimes, you know, it's easier
to go, oh, I wish other people were motivating me or, you know,
challenging me to do this or that.
But I think sometimes you've gotto have that harder conversation
with yourself to go no, it's theI've got to be the one to
challenge myself to do what I want to do.
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And I think that's going to be really, really great because our
guest today is going to probablytalk about that very, very topic
and what they've done. So thank you for showing that.
Then my, my learning in my past of knowledge this week was last
week, I had the pleasure of being back in my, my, my zone of
joy, which is working with youngpeople.
And one of the things that we, when we're doing our planning
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for this day was we thought we introduced the dance offs.
And the person that I was dealing with was like, oh, I
said to them, Are you sure we should do this?
And they're like, yeah, let's doit.
And keep in mind the person thatI was organizing is in the 50s.
And she was like, we're going todo this.
And I'm just the amazing respect.
I was like, yeah, if she can do it, I can do it as well.
And it was really cool just learning these dance moves.
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And when we got to the day, actually no one actually cared
about us. We're just so, so down with
their own dance moves is really cool.
So I guess it comes down to it doesn't actually matter how old
you are, what your age is. You know, as they say, it sounds
like nobody's watching and hey, the world keeps on going.
So yeah, just to remind out there that nobody's actually
watching. As long as you're feeling good
about it, that's all you've got to do.
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Today's guest is someone that we've had before, we've had a
few weeks ago, and it's someone that like we, when we entered
that podcast, I was really inspired by this person.
You haven't inspired with them many, many times with what
they've done in the, in lots of the things they've done their
life. And as we promised, we'd bring
them back in. So just as a recap, this person
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a few weeks ago was going to do basically 4 marathons in one
day. And that would be expected in
the week before that happened. It is now, I think 3 or 4 weeks
since that's happened. So we're going to find out what
that actually was like compared to what they thought we would
like. Welcome to our podcast, guys.
Hi guys, Thanks for having me back again.
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I think it's a month and a day since so-called event has passed
so. Well, time flies.
A month and a day? And how and how are you feeling
a month and a day after it's passed?
Yeah, a lot more back to normal.I think it was saying before
just before we started that comedown period of after doing it
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has like now passed. So I think that is something
that we'll probably talk about alittle bit more.
And I think you see people that do like Olympics and stuff like
that and they like go four yearsflat out trying to aspire for
this goal. And then they get there or they
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don't get there and then they'relike massively depressed or they
don't know what to do with themselves.
And what's kind of ironic, giventhe fundraiser and what it was
for, Yeah. So, yeah, experienced that a
little bit. But all things considered, after
it all, the body's pretty good. I'm pretty good, yeah.
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Yeah, I love that perspective, this cost, You know, it's a bit
like when you change when you'reclimbing towards something, you
know, whatever, whatever it is, and then you get it or you do
no, what's next? What's the body just seems to be
craving that a. 100% yeah. That is like a massive thing for
me is I think I've come to realise for myself like
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regardless of like how big or small said challenge is, you
always need like something to belooking forward to next.
Like I said, it's probably not talked about enough, but so if
we like, for me it was a big sixmonths when it was coming to
training or like university and the fundraising efforts.
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And I think I said this last time was like I've got all these
buckets that I'm trying to keep full and then I'll focus on
these three over here and then one will drop and I'm like oh
shit, I need to spend more time on that one.
So I'll go to that bucket and then something else falls down.
So it was an intense 6 months oftrying to keep all these things
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topped up. And then afterwards it's like,
oh, OK, like you can kind of relax.
But it's like for me, I know I've come to realize that's not
always a good thing. And if I was to have a rest
afterwards, it's intentional or I've got some sign of game plan
around how I'm going to go aboutthat, that risk and recovery
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after that big expenditure. Yeah.
Yeah. And I think this is, you know,
if we just take it, extrapolate this out, this is what we see
with people that get to retirement age and then they
retire. And then unless they've got a
plan of what happens next, you find a lot of people, and this
is just anecdotally that I've seen people go, oh, not with my
life. I've, I've been given 65, you
know, whatever 4050 years of my life and work and I get this
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magical mythical number and whathappens next, you know, so it's
really interesting how you, you know, what, what plays out in
life also plays out in so many different ways.
Yeah, it's that, it's that idea of purpose, I think.
Yeah, give me a lot of purpose and a lot of things to look
forward to. And then like that it's it's
gone or I don't have that. And I think and actually as
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humans, we need to feel like we're doing something.
Yeah, totally. It could be anything, but we
need to feel like we're progressing towards something
and we, and to be honest, like sometimes we, we could not be
progressing at any breakneck speed or anything like that.
But it's like, oh, we, I kind ofneed to put my effort somewhere,
but knowing like, yeah, having that time away, like not going
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to like I went to the gym like 3times I think the week after and
then that second week after, I did nothing.
I did nothing. And I like my body needed it.
I was so tapped out. Yeah.
So yeah, kind of similar to whatTani said is like you do yeah.
It's part of that balance, right?
You juggle all these hats and things like that, but when you
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are resting or if there is something that's you're going to
take as step backwards from, it's got to be intentional.
Totally. And you're going to be OK with
it. You're going to be OK.
This is all good. Yeah.
So let's let's talk about the day that Scott, this is this is
all the the post met analysis. Let's think about the day.
So we wake up in the morning. Let's let's go through that.
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What time did it get up? And and for our guests who may
have had the last time, just remind them what the attempt
was. The day, yeah, I don't know if
it would be more advantageous ornot, but if you'd be interested
in about about 24 hours prior, yeah.
Let's go, let's go 24 or something.
Let's go. Let's let's break it right down.
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For those people that are interested in endurance events
or wanting to maybe get into them, all starts maybe 24 to 72
hours prior, but yeah, 24 hours.The day before I had to eat
anything and everything that hada cat that had a carbohydrate in
it. One of my good buddies and Ozzy,
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he's helped me with like my nutrition around this whole
preparation. And I remember talking to him on
Facebook being like, oh, what are we looking like the day
before? He's like, I think we're going
to have to get like 900 grams ofcarbohydrates in.
So to put that in perspective, the average, well, the suggested
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serving size of like porridge inthe morning is 1/3 of a cup.
And that has I believe 45g or there's 45 grams somewhere.
I think a cup of a cup, no, a cup of oats has 45 grams of
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carbs in it. So I'd have to be having 20 cups
of oats to hit that goal. Delicious.
People. Can like think about it that
way. I think it's like a whole bag,
maybe a little bit less, but yeah, so I just had to eat
pretty much everything and anything that had a carbohydrate
in it. It was pretty fun.
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We went to Jizzo. So for those that know Dunedin,
that was a good opportunity to hit that with some some mates
and my old fella was down here for it also.
That was pretty nice the morningI got up.
When did I get up? I think it was like 5, 5:30.
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I think I woke up at 5:00 and I didn't get out of bed till 5:30
because it's kind of just like just letting myself kind of get
up organically and not get too kind of like stuck in my own
head about proceedings. Then was at the gym at like
6:15. Yeah.
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Had a big breaky, had everythingprepared that I needed for the
day, like electrolytes, sandwiches, anything that I
could make there while I was there, lollies, all of the above
kind of thing. So you got there then we kicked
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off at 7:00. Can I can I ask you what was
your mindset like before we started?
What was going through your mind?
I was pretty excited. Yeah.
Yeah, I was pretty excited and Ithink the first stage, like the
ski felt quite, quite good. So I was kind of like riding
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that adrenaline and, and like just being like happy to be
there and like get amongst it. I yeah, I was just happy it was
there because like the wait the week before I was like, I just,
I could do it now. Yeah, but that built on tension.
I could, I could have done it anytime throughout the week and
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it was just a matter of like having to wait that whole week
to then get to the moment and doit.
Yeah. So I don't, I don't, I think a
lot of people are like people that have like commented on it
pre like the day and how I was operating was like positive on
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where we were at and like just trying to be there outwardly.
Yeah. So, yeah, ski.
Oh, so for those that maybe didn't see the first one, like
the challenge itself was marathon ski, a marathon row, a
marathon bike and then the marathon run, in that order.
So first up was the ski. Given that I was like fizzing
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for it. I did a lot of skiing, like a
lot of, I think it was like 6 to8 weeks to the day.
Gave me a lot of confidence to go and attack that.
So I finished in just over 3 hours, felt pretty good.
The gym that I did it at had a class running like a Matsaliki
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class from 9:30 till 11. So I think I finished like a
little bit before them and like my mates were all there and like
getting amongst it and yeah, felt a lot of support.
So for like an hour and a half of that, I had a lot of people
around, which was pretty nice. And then, yeah, I managed to
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restart, had like 30 to 45 minutes till I jumped on the row
where it was just like fueling up.
I felt like I needed like some foods that's quite like
satiating. But at that point I don't think
I had enough of that on board. But the row was the most
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challenging part. It's when I like it counted like
a lot of head noise. If you want to say demons, Yeah,
just just never really felt likethe caves were clicking over as
much as I would have liked or asnice as I would have liked.
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And my like whole back was like really blown up and fatigued.
And the second-half of the row, my bum was really sore, my hands
were really sore, yeah. I just didn't feel comfortable
at all and I just wanted to be over as soon as possible.
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I probably wasn't the nicest person like the last 8K and my
mates and everyone there that was supporting me, I think got a
sense of that. And it's it's like an
interesting one because when you're like so in it and focus
on the goal, they were like cheering me and I was like,
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yeah, I can hear them. But I didn't really want to let
anyone in because you just like I was just zoned in and yeah, I
remember like a kilometer out from finishing, Adam, who owns
the gym, commented and was like,oh, AK time trial.
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And I think he I think I might have pierced his soul with the
luck that I gave. So.
And I think he got a gist of like, I guess where I was at
immensely, like, yeah, yeah, just not want to be there.
So I went like finishing the row.
I was halfway through the whole day in terms of kilometers or
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mileage per SE. I didn't know.
I knew that it wasn't for efforts, but knowing that I'd
just gone through a pretty hard experience on the Row, and then
the easiest part, like being thebike, was next.
I fueled up a lot better than I did between the ski and the Row.
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The row onto the bike was like really good and I knew that I
could get fuel on me whilst I was biking.
It was a little bit broader in terms of time frame, so it was
just 90 minutes or thereabouts on the bike compared to like the
3:10 that I did on the row. Yeah, Can I, can I just talk
about the row because I this is where this is where the real
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test came for you there those demons and the head noise.
What kind of messages was was because, you know, the physical
sensations we could all see and feel, but that internal talk
that you're having, something that none of us would know.
Yeah, like I kind of I've used it a little bit recently.
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It's, it's more of like they're to decide or to make a decision
or anything like that. Is is to cut off any other
alternative? I think it seems like Latin as
origin, as Dissidia or somethinglike that.
I could have butchered that for all my know, which to me is to
cut off. And I'd made the decision to do
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this challenge. So I couldn't like not do it.
And I think I might have alludedto like the previous podcast,
but for me, I'd like envision myself doing it so much that
there was like a little bit of inevitability to it.
I knew I was going to experiencesome hardship throughout this
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whole thing. That's why I wanted to do it.
I wanted to see what I was made of.
And and that was that moment. Like on the Row.
Yeah, it was just I just decidedthat I had to do it and there
was no other alternative in my mind.
And I knew that I was going to experienced some some challenge
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and and that was the whole row. And that's, I guess, what I
signed up for, yeah. Yeah, I, I asked that because
you know, when I was, I mean, when I was doing my little
misogy and I remember doing the 301K, that was when I was like,
I could just get off right now. I could just, I could just get
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off. Nobody, nobody knows.
Nobody, actually, there's only one person that's got.
Nobody knows. I haven't told anybody.
Hey, I'll be griefing you hard if you didn't.
Exactly, you know, but it was socrazy because but again, like
you, I had made the decision to do it.
I had made the choices to it andthe stories and the demons and
but but like you say, it's so hard because you're moving, but
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you're not moving. It's the hardest, hardest thing
ever. Yeah, yeah.
It's kind of similar to what we said before is like we want to
feel like we're going somewhere or doing something and that
thing, it just felt like such a drag.
Yeah. And everything.
And like, part of me hurt. Like there were parts of me like
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physically hurting. Yeah.
So overcoming that, that kind ofpart of the day and the
challenge and like knowing I could get on the bike and like
kind of be a little bit relaxingand then OK, it's like, OK,
we'll look past the bike. We know we can get through the
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bike. Like this is probably the
easiest part. So it's like, OK, enjoy the
sport. It is when we get off here we
are 3/4 of the way through. So it's like I've got the
confidence that I'd taken from overcoming where I was at on the
row. We're now past that now we've
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just got like one more stage left of the day and that was the
run and I had a four laps that Ineeded to do for the run and
three the four I was the four ofthat I was going to do.
I was going to go up Stuart St. like towards Roslyn which is
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quite steep. If anyone's familiar with it.
And yeah, we did that. We did that three times.
The first two laps I didn't stopoff at the gym.
I was just kind of like dialed in.
And there were people that I wasrunning with and I asked them, I
was like, are we like, are we going to stop off at the gym
after the first lap? And they gave me like knowledge
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that it's like this is your thing.
Like if you're in the zone, likekeep going.
I was like, OK, well, I just want to keep going.
Like I've got momentum of, you know, feeling pretty good.
Let's just keep, excuse me, trucking along and then managed
to finish the the second lap stopped off, got some supplies
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like gels, a lot of fluid, things like that.
And then finished the third lap.And then we got back to the gym
and I only needed 8K. So it was like just up and down
like Cock Valley Rd. until I finished.
And yeah, it's pretty surreal furnishing at all, like, like
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friends coming down from Wellington.
Like I said, my old fella had come down from Taranaki and
finishing with like all the support was, was awesome.
Yeah. Yeah, Well done.
Well, well, well done. That's, you know, I'm just going
to acknowledge that because it was a accomplishment, you know,
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sitting here today, one, one month and a day.
It's it's, it's, it's done. Yeah.
I'm imagining on that day there,the demons, the stories, the
elation at the end. You know, we can't really
capture that today. Oh, no.
I'd like to say that I wrapped it up somewhat well, like given
it mental health kind of thing. And I had a thought about, I
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guess like what I would like to convey is that we relate it to
mental health. And I'm just somebody that
believes in something. I'd like to try and say that I'm
inspiring some people. And when it comes to mental
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health, like I, I went through that experience of like doing
that challenge for, in the name of mental health and to raise
funds for mental health. But the sense of community and
support that I had like locally,nationally, internationally
through people on the stream andstuff like that is like, OK,
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sweet. Well, I've got all the support.
Let's have that same applicationto supporting people with that
struggle with their mental health.
And it's like it can take it takes a tribe, you know, and we
can all do it. And so like the support that I
found from that is like, I'm just this dude that's doing this
thing. Let's try and if we can a
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society like this push it in that way of the mental health
space. But I appreciate it.
It takes it's like knowing that it's available as a resource if
you are struggling, then knowingthat that's around yeah, that
the people do want to listen andthings like that is that things
are really important take away for me for.
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Sure. I love, I love, I love the type
because it goes back to the mission of, you know, why we
were doing this, what the motivator was, but also your
analogy that it takes a tribe. You know, you were doing this by
yourself, by yourself in quotation marks, which you
actually, you actually weren't doing it by yourself.
You had you had all those people.
And I'm guessing that if you didn't have all those people,
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we'll have a different story today.
Yeah, I'd think I'd be considering a lot more about how
crazy I was if there were no oneelse around, you know?
Yeah, Yeah, I think that that seems the communities are super
important. Yeah.
No matter where you are. Yeah, totally, totally.
I'm just going to go back to your to the run.
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So, you know, we spoke about it like Yep, I just did it.
But how is the body feeling now?So we go, we whiskey, we row, we
then get on the bike and then westart running.
And I asked that because in context of physically, but also
the weather wasn't the best, wasit?
Oh no, yeah, we're after the first lap it started passing
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yeah, bucketing down. Excuse my yeah, yeah, it was
going hard. It was, yeah, passing down in
Cock Valley and running in in that condition.
Like it's, it's not too bad. Like I don't mind running in the
rain. It's like the after effects of
what where I was and everything that I was wearing had just like
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drawn up all this moisture. So I felt like super heavy,
which wasn't like totally fun. There was literally nothing I
could do about it. And that's the same with like
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how my body was feeling as well.Areas of note that were like I
think hindering me from the get go of the run.
It was like my my glutes and hamstrings were just like so
tight. I felt like I couldn't really
stride that well. Like the first two laps I was
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OK, but after the second lap it was could definitely sit like
super tight in that area. And then because we went up a
hill, that means we had to come down a hill.
And after the third lap, so my final one, my like right knee
was giving me a bit of jerk. Also on that third lap, we had a
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had a wee scare because of the weather.
I don't know what they're calledthe technical term, but no spots
on the corner of roads. I think they're for blind
people. When they get across, they can
feel that there's a corner, but they get really slippery when
it's either wet or icy. And we're running down this hill
and me and my flatmate Pete, he jumped in and yeah, we're going
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down like over one of these these parts of a corner and I
slip. Oh damn.
And I think it was just because of so much like that was going
on in terms of just being dialedin.
I don't know. But I slipped down.
I managed to like like I caught myself as I was falling on one
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arm and managed to like push myself back up again kind of in
one failed like or like 1 swoop and Pete goes nice save like
like there. And it was like one of those
moments. I was like, I can't like let
that in. Like, that could have been, that
could have derailed the whole thing.
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Yeah. And knowing that I was so close
to like, literally finishing, I could have derailed the whole
thing. So I kind of, like, lived with
it for a bit. And I was like, oh, shit, that
was pretty close. And then I could breathe.
And I was like, OK, like, that'sall good.
Like, nothing happened. Like, we can relax.
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Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. How's that?
Yeah, that's how the body and was failing, yeah.
It's so crazy, you know, you usethe word dull and, and it's, you
know, as you said before, when you get into these zones here,
your body just does those things.
Were you were you surprised at how you how your mind overcame
whatever physical pain you were getting into?
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Was I like, surprised at myself that I.
Yeah, surprised. I mean, I knew we knew you could
do it, but we used to, as you did it, you're at the end of it
and you reflect back and go, this is actually quite an
achievement that when you dial in you, you just get locked in.
Yeah, I think that's what like alot of like the training and
stuff had like kind of taught meis, is like the confidence
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around there and dealing with the setbacks and discomfort.
If I talk about the dealing of being in the discomfort or like
that experience, you you kind ofhave to give it its flowers and
appreciate it because it is. Yeah.
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And it's a, it is a it is a thing.
And this again can can relate toanything.
This is just like through the physical sensation of being in
discomfort. It's just like, yeah, appreciate
it. Like know that it's there, but
you can't like let it in. And it's like, I guess any other
like emotions that we could feelis anxiety or just feeling sad
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or anything like that is like appreciated, but it's like, like
noted that it's there and not necessarily not let it in, but
deal with it in a way. Yeah.
So me dealing with that was not really leaning into it too much
initially and just kind of like cracking on with it.
Yeah. No, I think that that's that's
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really important that that showsthe power of training, right,
Power of training with the powerof training your mind, You know,
it's just not the physical thing.
It's it's the mind that's being trained every time you get up
the end, do the reps. Yeah, I think and that yeah,
like the confidence that came from like the running and some
of the gnarly workouts that I'd wrote for myself and, and
getting through those on the other side, not necessarily that
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unscathed, but like knowing thatI'd done that gave me confidence
to kind of get through it on on the day and knowing that I could
hurt and and be OK with it. Yeah.
Yeah. And when we when we spoke the
last time, you know, you spoke about the ego and how the ego
sometimes was a big thing for you.
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What is it like for you as you were never getting this.
Did did that come into play or that was something that's just,
hey, see you later, buddy. I don't think I have too much
experience, like working with myego on the day.
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Maybe. Yeah, I don't.
I can't really. I don't know if I was like,
really thinking about it all that much.
I'm trying to recollect. I don't think so like too much
on the day or anything like that.
I don't think I could really like afford anything like that
to, to. And yeah, maybe a little,
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definitely a little bit of priorand afterwards, you know, after
the University of posted something on on social media,
you know, people are like heading me up at the gym and
things like that. And you know, you feel like a
little local celebrity and stufflike that.
But you like it. It's nice, yeah.
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But yeah, you can't really like it affect anything.
You just got to keep cracking onbecause these people like, you
know, the proofs in the pudding sort of thing.
Yeah. Yeah, totally, totally.
You know, it's interesting because you know, when you're
dialing you just, I just said you can't give any energy to
anything else. That's the type that distracts
you anything at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You just like when you decide and you'd like locking in and,
and you can't like let any otheralternative happen and, and
through whatever means that might be then.
Yeah. So that's like letting people in
or not or anything like that. You got to be able to decide
yourself for sure. Yeah, and what is it like at the
end? You know, I there was a
beautifully emotionally crosses up the winter where you 6 and
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you're running in with some great music and your dad was
there. Yeah.
What is that? What is that moment like for you
in in all aspects of Scott's world, I guess.
Yeah, I guess this is quite personal, but I feel like from a
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self development perspective, I look up to my dad like quite a
lot. When I was 13, like my mum and I
left my dad and he had no idea it was happening.
It was kind of behind his back and that had happened and I
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didn't get to see him for six months.
So like as a 13 year old, that was like pretty hectic.
So when I say self development, he's late 50s, early 60s when
this happens. Actually, that's a lie.
He's probably early 50s. But anyway, it doesn't matter.
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I mean, like, it could be very easy for someone in their 50s to
think it's not me. I've got enough experience.
I could have, I could have the ego about them.
And my dad at that age had a look at himself and heard what,
you know, it's sad to say that it took a divorce and like your,
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your son, like moving out to getto that point.
But he got to that point and wasable to look at himself and be
like, I need to sort some shit out.
So like, knowing that he'd he'd done that and I guess like going
through this journey myself, having him there to like, give
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him a mean hug at the end was like awesome.
Kind of encapsulates like a fullwhole moment of where he's gone
through. And then the impact that he's
had on me directly and indirectly through kind of what
the journey that I'm on at the moment as well.
Yeah, it was pretty special. Yeah, it came across very, very
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apparent on the little clip thatI saw.
And you know, you could see this.
It's just there's more than justcompleting the challenge when
you embrace your dad. And it was, it was awesome.
I think we might have a club of it or something like that.
But like I mentioned, my, my parents are divorced and I've
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actually kind of been coaching them through like talking to
each other again, which is again, is like a pretty awesome
experience. And them having some dialogue
is, is like an awesome moment for me as well and for, for the
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two of them. But on the day when I was
skiing, me, my dad and my mom all share a FaceTime together.
And again, that was like a very like whole experience, but my
mom's on the other side of the world.
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So yeah, that was that was a really, it was a really cool
moment that we could share together for sure.
How beautiful I think this is, this is this is, this is the
beauty of right. You know, we see the physical
challenge, we see what you've done, but these little, little
moments within that are the big wins that for you are really
powerful and also for your family and anyone that was
there. You know, we and I think this
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happens in everybody's life story that we see the end, we
see the struggle, but we don't really see the connection that
happens to the struggle. Yeah, it's like everyone says
it's like the journey's part of it.
You know, everyone sees these experiences or like what's on
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the outset, but it's not like really encapsulated through too
much of what's happened. Like the context is like what I
like to call it the is like super important.
Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, moments like that and,
and it's yeah, this is kind of so secret that that's kind of
driven me to to do what I'm doing now and, and what I did
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for sure. Yeah, and, and talking about
context as well, how is it for you having your your challenge
being streamed across the world on Facebook?
You know you met all these random people that you have no
idea who they are chilling in. Yeah, it's pretty cool though.
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Yeah, the sense of like support was, was and is is still pretty
crazy now. I think the most, the thing that
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I struggle, I think the most is like the impulsive syndrome that
I get and not necessarily peoplelike internationally, but more
maybe locally in my direct circle.
Dim feeling inspired by me is something that I kind of
struggle with because I don't feel like an inspiration at
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times and it's pretty raw right now.
So like hearing that is the coolest thing I think to hear.
And yeah, I struggle with it, that kind of praise and things
like that. But you know, I've, I've had
friends that said I'm signing upfor 1/2 marathon or I'm doing
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this. You kind of inspired me on like
a little bit of a health kick journey and stuff like that.
Or, and I don't mean it always needs to be physical or like
health, like it doesn't need to be fitness related.
I, I think what is it? It's more than that.
Taking care of your physical fitness is, is a good starting
point, but it is more than that.So, yeah, sorry that kind of
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like went off your your question, but that's.
All good. Yeah, People being like all over
the world and like kind of cheering me on is is I couldn't
really delve into it too much onthe day, but like, having a look
back on it is pretty sick, Yeah.Yeah, and and you know, what I'm
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really enjoying about today's conversation is just the the
rawness, the real, the real emotions that that I mean, we
can see the emotion that's coming through as we have in
this conversation because it is it is real.
You know, there was a reason whywe why you did this.
And now as you've done it, you're reflecting about what
else, as you said, context matters.
And it was the context is deeperthan than what myself and Tony
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see. The context, the context near
will, but also the impact is probably greater than you would
have thought before when you started it.
You know you have, you have yourvision to raise, raise money,
but money is the physical thing,as you said before, just people
watching you doing things as youcan't measure that.
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No, yeah, like, yeah. And and that's more like a, an
indirect, I think maybe. Well, look at it, it's like I
was mainly looking to raise funds and, and money and things
like that for people that, that struggle or need help with
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mental health. But it's also like the other
side of it. It's like, well, maybe they
can't donate or anything like that or, but not necessarily
they can't or don't want to donate or anything like that, or
if they can take something else away from it.
So, well, maybe I should actually try and do some of
these things and do my relative hard thing.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
And then see what you're able todo there.
Yeah, and I like that because you're at a hard thing.
It could be speaking, it could be in a public sport, it could
be writing, writing, you know, Iwant to write a book, I want to
read a book, I want to do maths,I want to do programming, you
know, whatever that relative hard thing is.
And I think that's that's the thing, right?
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As you said before, you can do hard things.
For sure. It's kind of funny his that's my
next hard thing is, is getting up on stage and and public
speaking and at high school and everything like that.
I was that one kid that I was noway was I doing a speech in
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front of my mates at high school.
I remember my teachers come out to me like you're going to get a
zero. I was like, give me the 0.
Like, I don't care, like I'm notdoing it.
And so with like doing my, my hard thing or like through the
platform that I know, which is exercise and I'm kind of
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comfortable in that space. Not to say that this experience
was comfortable or like, do any,you know, play it down or
anything like that. But now it's like, OK, like I've
done it in a space or like whereI feel a little bit more
comfortable. Now let's try and apply that
knowledge that I've gained and knowing that I could get on the
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other side of it. Or when I put my eggs in that
basket, or am I, I'm intentionalor anything like that and apply
it somewhere else like public speaking.
I think it's like where the the true kind of growth is or like
they know that I've done this one hard thing, like I can back
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it up and and then try and back it up again and again and again.
Yeah. Yeah.
And it's it's interesting because as you were speaking in
my head, I was going where can Iget Scott to come and do a talk
for me? That's that's in my head.
I was like, cool, where am I going to get Scott to do a talk
for me? Because that's coming.
I'm just putting out there. It's going to come and you'll be
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invited to give a talk. But but the the bigger picture
there is sometimes it's easier for quotation markers to do the
hard things in the zone that you're comfortable in, which is
necessarily our world. But then when you take that and
go into a zone that you're not comfortable, then even the the
most easiest thing in that worldis challenging, you know?
So it's all relative. It's all really relative, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, the 100% it is massively all just just
relative. And it's, I think, yeah, like
I've had people say, oh, do you want to go and do an Iron Man?
I'm like, I, I think I can do anIron Man.
It's just the swim is like the biggest, scariest thing for me.
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Like I'm not competent the waterat all.
And it's like, oh, but you're like super fit and it's like,
yeah, but it's the water. It's not, let's not defy that,
you know, like, and then some way that I, I, if I can focus on
it and put time aside, I'm sure I'll be able to surprise myself
again or I might bite back and who knows what could happen.
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But yeah, after continuously kind of like doing these things
or like tests or challenges and stuff, you're like, oh, actually
if I do put my mind to it, then yeah, anything can potentially
happen. What's the water?
Yeah, it's I'm like, oh, I don'tknow, it's the water.
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Yeah, funny question, Kin this world record, what happened
there? They didn't think of that, or
did they? I'm waiting to hear back.
Long story short, I think like from maybe another month until
maybe I do hear back and then it's a matter of compiling some
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sort of application. My belief.
So yeah, we'll just wait and see.
Everything on the day went to plan in terms of how I I think
of how it should be recorded. Obviously extreme and everything
like that has been live recorded.
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We've saved the recording. We've got documents signed by
two witnesses and signed throughout the whole day, and
most hit throughout it. So Touchwood, we'll see how we
go. It would be nice, but I'm not
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too fazed at this stage. I know, I know.
I've done it. So that's all that matters,
yeah. 100 percent, 100%. And that's the thing.
Because you weren't, you were interested in it.
There was a an afterthought thatsomebody suggested, hey, what
about we do that there? I was just like, oh, maybe I'll
just have a look on Google ChatGPT if anyone's done this
before, and to my knowledge, there they've been.
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Maybe I should have a look on Jet GBT and see if if my name
pops up. No, yeah, I yeah, like, it would
be nice. It would kind of be like the
cherry on top, but it's not the end of the world if I don't.
Yeah. And I guess you know what is if
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you had to take out, I'll leave this to later on, I guess Tony,
any questions for Scott, anything that?
I guess, I guess my biggest, well, just curious as to how
much you actually fundraised forthe event.
I didn't actually see the final.Amount Yeah.
So yeah, the goal was 51,100 which was its like own unique
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thing. And this is something that took
me a while to kind of like thinkabout as I like what if I don't
get the goal or get anywhere near it and it's like reframing
how you look at it. But we finished it finished
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yesterday and we finished at $7320.00.
So I was really hoping that nearthe end there we could have like
cracked the 10 Kmart, but it is what it is and that's if I got
given 7 grand, I'd be stoked. So that's kind of the way that I
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was almost looking at it. And that's 7 grand that can kind
of help towards something for sure.
So yeah, just kind of like beingOK with being OK with that.
Like I struggled with kind of thinking is that am I, am I
failure if I don't get there? But just kind of like a learning
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process again, like going aroundthese fundraisers and things
like that as well. Yeah.
Yeah. And again, the other way to look
at it is six months ago, this organization didn't have $7000.
This didn't have it. So there's $7000.
And again and again, you know, the whole fundraising game is
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such a hard thing because it's out of your control.
It's it's, it's inevitable tense.
And you're like, I have no control here.
Pretty much, yeah. And that that's, and I know that
not to get like economical, but being generous with your money
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at the at the moment is I think it's quite a little bit of
scarcity in the market. So people that feel like
inclined to to give their money and things like that is again,
yeah, doesn't really happen all that often.
Yeah, OK. It's, it's still an amazing
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achievement, $7000. You've done something that's
pretty remarkable, which is which is good.
I, I'm afraid to ask this question, but I'm going to ask
this question. What's what's next, Scott?
It's a good question. I've been asking myself that for
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me, like the main thing is trying to compile I guess for
this speech that's coming up in October, I've started to sit
down and I think this conversation is good to kind of
get me thinking about the learnings that I've had about
what happened on the day, as well as maybe more that gives
that context around here's my story and think about that
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speech. So that's kind of like my next
thing physically, I'm going to do the 10K race at Dunedin.
Now this is going to be so public, the 10K race at Dunedin
Marathon and I want to do a sub 40.
So in the physical space that's that's that.
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Yeah. And the public speaking.
And then after that, I think I might try and not relax for a
bit, but get home and look for next year, which is my master's
as you're aware now. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. And understand that's because,
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you know, as we said before, I'dstart like what's what's the
next thing for you? And I think the physical side of
things we know, we know we can train for that.
This is this is your world. I'm really glad to hear that
there's a speech coming up for you because that's going to be
challenging the other side of Scott.
Yeah, yeah. Like when I, when I, when I got
asked about it, I was like the excuse the shit out of me.
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Fuck. Like the story I sent to you
before, but how can I be one of those people that just picks and
chooses when they decide to do the hard things?
It's like there's a great opportunity.
Yeah, scary. But you just got to attack it.
Really. Yeah.
And you know, it's really quite funny issue because before I
started my my role without arguepublic talk in front of you
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wasn't not my gem. I could not, I could I would
just be held now and then somebody told me something that
just changed my whole mindset. They were like, everybody's got
a story to tell. And in the room that you're
talking to, the best person thatknows the story is you.
And I was like, oh, this is quite true.
And then some in the room, someone in the room is going to
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take away something. So embrace that.
And I think this is a great way to look at things.
It's challenging, it's hard. It's hard.
I mean, it's not saying. But once you reframe it, you go
actually, yeah. I am the best storyteller of my
own story. Yeah, I saw something today.
Similarly, it might be at some sort of school of literature,
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but when they're practicing speaking or learning about what
they think is they only bring upthe positives of what some they
don't try and slag off their speech or think about areas in
which they could change. Because really getting up there
and getting decays in and, and like public speaking is like you
just talking with your mates. You talk with your mates all the
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time. Like if you can envision it in
that way. And I'm going to try.
I don't know if it's going to happen that way on the day, but
if I can try and just emulate that and people get a feel of
what that's like, then I hope I'm doing a good job.
Yeah, yeah. Well, well, your last podcast
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was great and this is great. So this is a boom.
Thank you. Yeah.
And me and my flatmate now are spitballing about starting one.
So yeah, we'll see what happens.We just put a phone down and
yarn and record ourselves. That's the best.
That's the best way to go, right?
Yeah, yeah. And then maybe listen to it
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back, I don't know. Yeah, that beauty, beauty
that'll that's pretty entertaining.
I guess our last last question or last few questions unless you
understand the question for you is, you know, you shared your
your boss's knowledge the last time.
But what I would love to ask is what is the biggest lend that
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you've had through this challenge that you have
completed? I think the if I could have 3.
You could have 3. And this is something that I, I
learned last year as well. A problem shared is a problem
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halved. What I mean by that is the sense
of like community and tribe thatyou can get by doing something
that I, that I experienced, likeknowing if you do have people
around you that sincerely care or if you are one of those
people that sincerely care. Well, those people around you,
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one, you're in the right circle and you're in the right, the
right network for dealing with those problems when they come.
Yes. Secondly, we're all capable of
so much more than the limits that we kind of impose on
ourselves. And thirdly, I had a third one,
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but it's escaped my mind, which is great.
Have fun. That's a great one.
Have fun. Yeah, but I love the one you.
The second one is, I mean, the person's amazing, but the second
one is also relates right back to what Tani said at the start.
You know, basically you're the, you are the only person that
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puts the limits in your mind, you know, every single day and
you challenge that, you challenge that.
And if you tie that with your first, your first learning, you
share your challenge with your people.
And that just takes the challenge down from a mountain
into a molehill. Everyone's got their own story
of like things they've encountered in their life and
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and that's the context and and that provides you with like the
person that's in front of you now.
So I think that's like importantwith connecting with people was
like if if they're open to sharing, ask such questions to
kind of like get a really like deeper sense of knowing what
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makes someone tech. Yeah, totally, totally.
Because there's, there's layers to one of us.
Yeah, lots and lots and lots andlots.
Of layers. So yeah, I think that that's
three things that I, yeah, we'redefinitely a lot more capable of
of what we think we are. We just need to do it.
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And yeah, I think if if you wantanother little nugget as well.
And I think this stems from likethe self talk that I've kind of
been given myself as like make decisions, not statements,
meaning like me just saying thatI'm going to do something and
then I don't back it up by not doing it.
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It's just a statement is so arbitrary.
If you say you're going to do it.
I think that's where like reliability comes in friendships
and and if you don't think you're going to do it, then
don't say it. Like if you put it out there and
you decide to do something, thendo it.
Yeah, and that's a powerful. That's across any aspect of your
life, right, Any aspect of your life.
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Yeah. And it's really quite funny,
Scott, because for many years, when I said I'll tell you, I was
like, I need to change my job. I need to change my job.
And I wasn't doing anything. Well, I was applying for jobs
like anything. And I was like, am I just saying
this and hoping something happens?
And, and when it did happen, it was actually, this is not an
action, you know, and when people, when they told people
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that like, oh, you've been saying this for many years and I
was like, I know this sounds so terrible.
So as you say, you know when youmake a statement, make sure
there's something behind it as well.
I think yeah, it's similar like reading a book at the moment and
like in the last chapter that I was reading, there was a little
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quote sayings like, and I'll just paraphrase.
It's like mileage does not equalmastery.
Be intentional about what you'redoing and like just not saying
that you were doing this, but just like meandering or like
just kind of applying for jobs or kind of doing you're just
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kind of doing something. You just it's exactly what
you're doing. It's like have a bit of but a
heart, but a manner behind it. And yeah, be, be intentional
about it. And yeah, it's more likely
things will start, yeah. It's really funny.
I'm working with a coaching client at the moment and I had
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the exact same conversation withhim today.
I was like, you, you kind of doing this so you can't.
There's no you're not actually putting your whole heart into
this. How do you have that
conversation? Like are you, are you pretty
direct or can you? Be, yeah, redirect pretty direct
in that, in that situation, pretty direct.
OK, Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting.
Yeah, this guy's a funny 1 is like reading this, this chapter.
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I was just like this. So he used the analogy of like a
fitness class and this guy in the class got his a thousandth
class, but he was no better to like does.
That change, right? There's no change, yeah.
You're like this guy's done this1000 times.
It's like that. 10,000 hours, Yeah, Theory.
It's like 10,000 hours of kind of doing something, yeah.
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It's really funny because I whenpeople say practice makes
perfect, I'm like, I don't thinkpractice makes perfect.
It's intentional. Practice makes perfect
otherwise. Yeah, 100%.
Yeah, kind of. Are you reading Adam Grant?
Oh. It is Robin Sharma.
Yep. Yeah.
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I thought. Everyday Hero.
Everyday hero. Yep, I thought, like I'm saying,
I'm pretty sure read that those words.
I've read that somewhere. Robin Sharma and he's spin by
classes, right? He's spin classes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was that.
Yeah. It's pretty good.
Took me a while to do it. I just off of like reading How
to Be Confident by James Smith and I like the storytelling
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behind that. And I couldn't read behind the
like the chapter like story or lesson per chapter and it being
like so quick. Yeah, yeah, I kind of struggled
with it. But because it's like one of
those things I'm like, I've I'vestarted now, like I've got to
finish it. Whether I like am enjoying it or
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not enjoying it. I could get further through the
book and find out I'm like, excuse me, having the meantime.
So, yeah, yeah. Pretty how you go with that at
the end. Yeah.
Yeah, awesome. And Scott, I think any other
last words, Tony? Any other last words?
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No ton is all good. Scott, I just want to meet you
for your for your achievements. You know, I, I said this to you
the last time that you were the inspiration for me to remember
SOG. Yeah, this year, Like you're
100% where I mean, so the fact you know, when you say you're
humbled by people get inspired by you, I just want you to know
that people see you, people hearyou and you might they might not
(01:00:39):
tell you that, but just whateveractions you do and the words you
say really get people to change,change their world in one small
way. So this challenge here, you
know, there's people out there that would have seen the
challenge and they will not say anything to you, but they will
would have shifted just by watching you.
So I just want you to remember that day and whatever you do
next, you know, obviously be around, but it's really, really
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want you to just acknowledge youfor that day and acknowledge you
for sharing your story today with the emotion.
I could see you're holding back some tears at some points and it
was getting emotions so. I really.
Appreciate that. Yeah.
Appreciate it. Thank you so much.
Yeah, I feel that I said yes. It's kind of the identity
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secureness thing. And yeah, that was pretty raw.
Yeah, yeah. It's real, but it's real.
It's it's it's who you are, right?
It's the story that you're goingto be telling now, you know, no
matter what happens in life, whether you get the Guinness
World Record or not, who actually cares?
This is something that you have done and you can share the
story. It is Scott's story.
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's kind of support, something my flatmate
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said. I'm kind of finished on this if
you want. I've got this new found
experience and knowledge and allthis like going through the
resilience of or like doing the day and everything like that.
And it's like this newfound dad or experience that I can now
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carry with me through the rest of my life.
So when times get tough, I have that to look back on.
And it could be anything like inthe next 10 years, I could be a
father. And so from what I've
understood, it's not the most compelling thing in the first
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couple years, but it's like, it's going to be hard.
And it's like, cool, bring it on.
Like, let's go. Yeah.
And knowing that I got through that, I don't know what
fatherhood's like, but I can kind of have that to help me go
through that or whatever else comes up, potentially moving
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overseas or something like that.It could be anything that you
can get on the other side of it.That's right, because your
baseline for heart is now different.
Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, no, Beautiful.
That's such a great way to to end today's chat.
We can keep talking for a long time because there's so much we
can unpack. But Scott, thank you so much for
jumping on today. Much respect.
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And really, really, again, really proud to see what you
achieved on, especially on the day I was jumping in, looking at
the stream, I was jumping onto the different socials that were
following you and just watching you from a file was was pretty,
pretty awesome. So yeah, awesome.
But also, the awesome reflectiontoday has been beautiful.
(01:03:32):
Cheers. Thanks, Scott.
Yeah. So this is out there.
Hopefully you've picked up on the learnings from Scott, but
also the emotion, you know, and a lot of times we forget that,
you know, we achieve something, but there's emotion attached to
what we do and we shouldn't let it go and pick that up.
So Scott, thank you for sharing that today for this is out
there. Let Scott know how you feel.
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Drop my message, put a comment in in the podcast below.
And till next time, don't forgetto keep smiling.
Don't forget to put something topast the knowledge.
And like Scott said, don't forget to have some fun.
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