From Factory Floor to Founder: The Inspiring Journey of Pat Wulf

What does it take to completely rewrite your story?
For Pat Wulf, the answer was courage, belief, and a decision to run uphill.

In this week’s episode of Baskets of Knowledge, we sit down with Pat, the founder and owner of Wulf Security, a thriving, nationwide security company, to unpack his remarkable transformation from working long shifts in a factory to building a business that has employed over 100 people over the last 10 years with and creates opportunities for Pacific communities.

Pat’s story begins in Samoa and continues in Auckland, where, like many Pacific families, the expectation was simple: get a job, help pay the rent, and survive.

For years, that was his life. A single dad living with his uncle, clocking in and out of factory work, just trying to make ends meet.

But everything changed when two pivotal moments collided:
- The responsibility of being a role model to his two young sons
- Meeting Andrea, the woman who saw potential in him before he saw it himself

With her encouragement, Pat stopped doubting himself. He swapped self-limiting beliefs for bold action, starting his own security company while still working factory shifts. During the day, he wore steel-cap boots. At night, a suit and tie, pitching to clients and building the dream.

Fast forward nearly 10 years, and Wulf Security has become one of the most recognised names in the industry, known not just for its pink uniforms (a deliberate choice to de-escalate situations and challenge stereotypes), but for creating meaningful employment for Pacific people and changing lives along the way.

Pat’s journey is proof that where you start doesn’t define where you’ll end up.

It’s a reminder that success isn’t about luck, it’s about creating your own luck through action, awareness, and courage.

Key Lessons from Pat’s Story:

• Mindset is everything: Breaking generational cycles starts with believing there’s more to life than “just getting a job.”

• One person’s belief can change everything: Sometimes, all it takes is one person to see your potential when you can’t see it yourself.

• Action beats perfection: You don’t need a business degree to start, you just need to take the first step.

• Give back as you grow: True success is about lifting others with you.

• Be different on purpose: From pink uniforms to focusing on hiring more women, Pat proves that running uphill creates meaningful impact.

This episode isn’t just about business, it’s about hope, resilience, and rewriting the narrative. 

Whether you’re an aspiring entrepreneur, a student, or someone stuck in a job you hate, Pat’s story will remind you that you’re one decision away from a completely different life.

Episode Transcript

(00:04):
Hey everybody, it's Prajesh here.
In Tana here. Welcome to our podcast Passes of
Knowledge chats with a difference.
In our podcast, we invite guestsfrom around the country and
around the world to talk about how they got to where they at
the moment. It's about a journey, it's about
an experience, It's about their life.

(00:26):
Yeah, to college, everybody. Welcome to another episode of
Baskets of Knowledge. And today it's just me.
Tony is he just messaged me to say he's little at rugby league
training, so we won't have him. Today it's just me and our
guests who'll introduce him the bits.
And as always, we share what we put into a basket of knowledge
over the last week. And my biggest learning was
actually from from a book that I'm reading.
I've read many, many times. It's from Nabal Rabnikanth.

(00:47):
I'm just going to read it out because it's really beautiful.
It says it's basically the titleis Run Uphill.
If you're ever split in a decision on a if you're ever
split on a difficult decision, take the path more painful in
the short term. When I read it, I was like, oh,
this is really interesting because what do you do?
As humans, we always take the easiest path.
But as we know, the the whatevershort term pain, long term gain,

(01:10):
and it's the people that do thatrun uphill are the ones that
become successful later on, whatever they do.
And this is the premise of today's podcast as well.
Because when I introduced our guests, you'll see our guests
have to run uphill to get to where they are today.
And running uphill is always thehardest decision to make at that
point in time because all your friends or your peers are going
the other way, either downhill or across the other way.

(01:32):
So when you're sitting here thinking about those two
choices, even if it's a one day uphill, give it a crack.
The worst that can happen is youturn around and come back
downhill. But I promise you'll be a
changed person. But that's enough from me today,
as always, to scour the country and the world to find people
that we think we're interesting.We know everyone's interesting
and everyone's got a story to tell.
And today I'm really privileged and honoured and really, really

(01:53):
humbles to introduce our guest. This is a a person my mates.
A few months ago I went to a training camp to do some
speaking stuff. And I walked into this room here
and there was this gentleman here and he had this amazing
persona and it's a lovely smile.And I was like, what a nice guy.
And over the next two days I gotto know him as a person.

(02:14):
And your story is so, so beautiful.
And not just his story, but alsowhat he's doing in the world and
how he's come. And someone like that that I was
like, oh, this is a fantastic person to bring on.
Because as I listened to this story, I was inspired by running
uphill and also inspired by, youknow, sometimes we hide behind
behind our insecurities and we tell the world we want the world

(02:36):
to hear. When actually we tell the world
our true story, our life changes.
But enough about me, let's give us give a war bastard knowledge
to to pet both Kira pet and Autumn to Bastard knowledge.
The Kira Petush, quite humbled by that much election made.
And yeah, but I think he really,you know, would be meaning to do

(02:57):
this podcast for a while. So I've been wanting to tell my
story, as you said. Well, yeah, thank you for the
opportunity. You're doing great things.
And yeah, much respect to you, brother, and thank you for
having me on this great show. No worries.
Yeah, no worries at all. You know, you know, everything
happens for the right reason. And this is, I believe this is
the right time for us to Share your story.
But Pat, I know who you are. If someone is listening for the

(03:20):
first time and they have no ideawho Pat is, who is Pat today on
the 25th of September 2025? Who is Pat today?
Yep. So my name is Sophie Patrick
Wolf. I'm the proud founder and owner
of Wolf Security Services Limited.

(03:40):
We're a family owned business. It'll be 10 years in February
next year, so it's quite a awesome milestone.
I'm very proud of that and we serve nationwide as well.
Yeah, so, so I've born in some more.
I moved here when I was young, when schooling, went to school

(04:03):
in Auckland and that didn't really have a sort of, I suppose
a goal to good university, stufflike that.
I, you know, that that sort of mindset of just go get a job
and, you know, pretty much work in the factory all your life and
stuff like that. So, yeah, I guess for me, as you

(04:25):
know, you talk about running uphill and stuff like that.
But, you know, there was a time when I felt like I was, I was
running, you know, I was runninga quicksand or running downhill.
That's when I was living with myuncle, with my two young boys at
the time. Yeah.
And I guess, you know, working in a factory job, you know, you

(04:47):
kind of struggle to make to me and stuff like that.
And I guess for me is, is wanting to to do better and be a
good role model for for my kids,you know, you know, I guess
living with your alcohol was, you know, sort of embarrassing,
one of the lowest point in my life, you know, and I guess,

(05:08):
yeah, that's when I realized, you know, I've got to do
something, you know, you know, do something to to to show my
boys that, you know, you can't just be stuck in looking at
factory and living with your alcohol.
You know, you've got to do better and show an example.
So wasn't long after when I was when I was living, I met my

(05:30):
beautiful wife now Andrea, and I've got a credit a lot for for
where myself as a as a man and as a business as well.
So, you know, when I met her, I was in the crossbow trying to
find something to, to sort of get ahead in life, you know.
And so when I met her, she, you know, I had some ideas.

(05:54):
I wanted to be a police officer,you know, and I said to her that
I really want to be a cop, but Ican really swim.
I'm not a conference swimmer. Yeah.
So, yeah. So she basically told me, you
know, stop wasting your time. What else are you passionate
about? So I said, so I do security over
the weekends, you know, you know, part time.
I really enjoy it as a bit of a social outing and I really enjoy

(06:16):
it. So, so that gave me an idea to
maybe, Hey, how about I, I worked for May for over 10
years, you know, as his head dorm and stuff like that.
So I thought, why not, you know,start my own security business,
you know, so, so one day I went up to Saint Luke's, you know,
where our family put their, their, their T's in the tops.

(06:37):
And I told the, the guy that canyou please put AW or for
security around it? And so he got his mouse out and
just did this thing. And then and that's all the wolf
security logo. That's been what was found, you
know, and even when we try to like, you know, see the
expressive, we can rebrand it. And they said, no, I wouldn't

(06:59):
change it for the word because it's solid.
It's basic. You know, I had no idea at the
time. I was just, I guess just going
with going with the flow, so to speak, you know, so, so yeah.
So with the encouragement of my wife, Andrea, I just managed to
run with this idea of, you know,so, so basically working in a

(07:19):
factory and then go have some meetings and I put on my suit,
suit jacket or whatever I have to look like, you know, formal,
then come back and put on my shorts and, you know, steel cap
shoes working in the factory. So, so I guess there's a bit of
a juggling at at the time, you know, it wasn't easy, but I, I
guess once I managed to find theright networking and, and the

(07:41):
right people, you know, they say, and that's when it kind of
the business sort of took off, you know?
And yeah, so, you know, now it'salmost 10 years, you know, we've
probably employed over 100 people over that time, you know,
which I'm really, really happy and grateful about.
And one of the best thing about it is that majority of my

(08:05):
workers are Pacific Islanders like myself, you know, like
come, come from nothing. And to be able to provide jobs
for them so that they can put a roof over the head for their
family, it's very rewarding for myself.
Not just that, but I guess for me is as the years go by, I, you
know, I was kind of like, no, I'm not a business guy.

(08:25):
I've got no business degree. You know, I feel kind of awkward
by now. I just realized that I have, you
know, I have to try and inspire the the next generation or even
Pacific Island people to realizethat you don't have to be, you
know, that the guy that's working for someone else and
that you can't be, you know, youcan't be a business owner, you
know, and I guess in the way I'mthe living proof of that, you

(08:47):
know, I've been, I've had this almost 10 years.
Yeah. So it's a, it's a very blessing
and humble experience. Yeah.
So, yeah, I guess in, in right now, you know, we've just moved
to a beautiful new office, you know, I guess it's all about
growth and, and leveling up, youknow, and I've got an amazing

(09:11):
team. As I said, my wife Andrew, he's
the general manager and I've also got my right hand man
Graham, who's my head of digitaland operations.
So without those two, and to be honest, they actually make me
look good, You know, I mean, youknow, I'm like the face of the
the company in a way. But I guess, you know, of once

(09:34):
Andrew came on board a couple ofyears ago as the GM, you know,
things just seems to run smoothly and, and, you know,
she's with her and Graham by myself.
We managed to to level up and take the business to, you know,
like to the next, you know, because obviously with me, I'm
not having a kind of like a business, you know, sort of

(09:57):
training and and background. I was just learning as I go.
It was more hands on. But having those two with their
background experience, it's a great team and I'm very pleased
to to have those two by our side.
So yeah, yeah. Another thing I want to make
notice, as you can see, I'm wearing pink, pink polo.

(10:18):
So it wasn't long after we started the business that, you
know, seeing around town, you always see people wearing black.
You know, it's quite intimidating for security.
So we thought, you know, how about wear pink?
It's less intimidating, you know, Yeah.
And, and people sort of relate to it, You know, it's not, as I

(10:39):
said, intimidating. So, so that's, that's the point
of difference for us. You know, all our, our corporate
and, and people that work in thebars, they all wear pink.
And that's what we're sort of known for.
So, yeah, it's good to be able to have these different, you
know, things to stand out from, from the rest, you know,

(11:00):
different point of view. So, yeah.
So yeah. So that's basically, yes, I'm
here. I love that pet, I love that
pet. There's so much there to unpack
because you know, you've just you've just basically given us
so much. I want to I want to, if you
don't mind, I want to go right back to the start and I want to
talk about what you mentioned the start, the mindset of of

(11:22):
going to work in a factory weedsthat mindset come from, and I
asked that question because you you, as we listen to this
podcast, people will go, Oh, this is the mindset I have got
because XYZ. If you can think about the weed,
that idea come for you because you said went to school.
University wasn't my jam, actually was the way I wanted to
go. Where did that thinking come
from? Yeah, I guess, you know,

(11:44):
unfortunately a lot of Pacific Island families, you know, they,
it's almost like they encourage them just to get a job, you
know, and then help them pay therent.
You know, it doesn't matter. There's minimum wage, you know,
there's no, I'm not saying all, but you know, majority of them.
I know from my experience and what I see is that they

(12:06):
encourage them to go and get a job and then they fall into the
chap which I have go high pictures of WRS like a sports
car, you know, thinking you own an actual fact, you know, the
banker and say, no, you know what I mean?
So, so, yeah, so I guess it's that whole mindset of just
getting a job and I was caught up in there for a very long
time, you know, and not knowing what I what I realized now as a

(12:29):
business owner and what I encourage my family and friends
and people that I know is that if you go to uni and, and get a
degree or, you know, some sort of, you know, study or
profession, you'll be able to buy the house instead of paying
someone else's room, you know, like, you know, yeah.
So it's, it's got a different mindset that, you know, after

(12:51):
coming out of it and, and being on the other side, I feel like
there should be a lot more education around, especially
Pacific Islander to break away from the cycle of just going day
by day, you know, everyday life and that they're never going to
own a home. They're never going to be a
business owner, run a business because it's too scary.
But you know, like for me, as I said, with the help of my wife,

(13:13):
I just ran with the idea, you know, whether it was why or, you
know, right or wrong, I just gave it a go.
And luckily, you know, you know,with the man above helping me
out, you know, like I managed toget where I am now.
So I'm very humble and blessed to be, you know, there's still a
lot of work ahead. You know, I'm not saying I'm
there, but right now we know we're heading the right way, as

(13:36):
you said, climbing the hill. We know we're going in the right
direction, still running the opposite or, or sideways.
So, so, yeah. So I guess looking at the
factory now, even, I guess I remember thinking to myself, I
always want to have a business card.
And they're like, you know, people ask me, yeah, I'm the
people ask me, what do you do for living?
Said I'm a logistic manager, butan actual fact is just the

(14:00):
warehouse bumboy, you know, sitting at the back counting,
you know, stock and stuff like that.
So now when I actually got a business in the business,
Carter, I just, you know, Princemyself thinking, man, I remember
sitting in affect you there. And now and then I actually go
to visit them and you know, they're like, wow, I'm so proud
of where you are, you know, because I always remember where
where I come from, you know, So I go back and visit the guys,

(14:22):
some of them still in the warehouse, you know, and tell
them about my journey, how I'm very blessed to, to, to, to be
where I am at the, you know, today.
So so yeah, you know, just thinking back about those hard,
you know, 5 AM, 6:00 AM starts. We could get up at 5:30.
I'll tell you why. You know, I don't miss it, but
you know, it's, I mean, it's a bit of hard work to be where I

(14:45):
am, you know, because I remember, you know, before me
and my wife saying my uncle has dropped my kids off to my Nana's
to my auntie's place, you know, look after while I go and look
at the bar. So it wasn't easy.
No, like, so yeah, so I guess for me is I feel like I've done,
you know, a bit of hard work to be where I am, you know, wasn't

(15:05):
like so handed to me. But there's still a lot of hard
work ahead, you know, as I said,to maintain and, and get their
growth and, and level up that we're looking as a, as a
business. So yeah.
I love that and there's there's I went back things because you
know, you people see you today and they go, oh, what a
successful person. But it's the mindset shift, you

(15:27):
know, because as you said, you know, a lot of, and I, and I'm
going to generalize here, a lot of Pacific Islanders, a lot of,
you know, Maori, Pacific care people that come from socio
economic, low socio economic places have that have the
mindset off. This is we're just going to find
a job and work. And you know, I think about
rural New Zealand and people want to go work in the, the meat
factories or the factories because that's easy and what
generations have done because it's easy to put money on.

(15:49):
But what I've loved about what, what you just said that you had
to shift your mindset. You had to change the whole
mindset, which is, which is a lot of work, you know, because
it, it would have been so easy for you to just carry on doing
what you're doing because that'sthe way the world is.
But I, but as you said before, there was two things that
happened in your world that changed for you.
That was the fact that you had two boys and the fact that you
met Andrea at, at a certain point in time.

(16:11):
And you know, as you think aboutthat right now, you, those are
probably 2 pivotal moments in your life where you knew, OK, I
have to ship my mindset because I didn't want this for my my
boys. Yeah, Well, 100%.
And I guess, you know, I tell people this day, I'm still to
this day, I don't understand why.
You know, she was a successful businesswoman, climbing the

(16:32):
corporate ladder, stuff like that.
And here I am, a solid dad living with my my two kids in
the room, you know, and she could have just chosen anybody.
But, you know, so she was already in her own way,
successful, you know, in the business sense, you know, but
for me, you know, I guess it allworked out.
Well, maybe she needs something that other people don't know,

(16:53):
including myself, know like, well, we're really happy where
we are. But yeah, sometime I still, you
know, the way things sort of come about it, you know, like
so. But yeah, you know, that
mindset, I guess people talk about, you know, if you want to
be successful, you surround yourself with successful people.
You know, you hang out with business people, you're going to

(17:13):
end up being business mind if you know, gang members, there's
you know, there's a good chance you're going to end up, you know
what I mean? So I honestly believe that, you
know, I'm, I'm really lucky in place.
I've I've got a lot of mates that are, you know, play rugby
with or me through through the years that I've got their own
business, you know, and they give me advice, you know, and

(17:34):
vice versa, if we're able to help each other.
So I honestly believe that they're saying, yeah, you know,
you actually surround yourselvesaround, you know, those sort of
good people, you know, and good things will happen to you.
So yeah, I guess they're saying it's 100% true, So.
Yeah, and you know what I love about that?
There's two things that you said, you know, even you saw

(17:55):
suffer people, whatever they do,you you become really it's
whether it's becoming a gang or whether it's being successful.
It it it just happens, right? It just happens by osmosis.
But also the fact that Andrea saw something in you.
It, it reminds us that sometimesyou don't have to have the whole
world believing in, in you. You just need one person to
believe in you. And I think this is the clear
indication in your world. We, I'm, I'm, I'm assuming that

(18:17):
there would have been lots of people in, in your world that I
said, Pat, what are you doing? You've got a great secure job
here. Why are you doing this here?
Yeah, that's why, Yeah. No, no, as I said, like, yeah,
she's just allowed me to be myself and and you know, I guess
for me, I was self doubting, youknow, I can't do this.

(18:37):
But she just said to me, look, give it a go, you know, if it
doesn't work out, then, you know, look, I'm, I'm already
climbing the career later we canfall back to that, you know,
luckily we didn't have to. But I guess my point is that,
yeah, it's just, it's amazing how if you have someone that
believes in you and things will just happen, you know, like in

(18:58):
my case, you know, I don't have a business degree, as I said
before, but but just having someone bum our side that say,
look, just do it, you know? And luckily it kind of fell into
place and meet the right people,networking.
And now some of the people that I like, my first ever
construction business nine yearsago for Hawkins, I'm still mates

(19:19):
with some of the guys that work on the job, you know, play golf
with them, which I love. So, yeah, so it's about keeping
those relationships, you know, and luckily for me, it's the
right people, you know, like thepeople that are kind of like
that make decisions about who togive the job to, stuff like
that. So I'm really pleased to to be
able to deal with those type of people knowing.

(19:41):
Yeah. So I think that's the key to our
business doing well too, is having the right connections.
And as I said, like with Graham and Angel, we've got a great
team to help us, you know, with social media, you know,
sponsoring like, you know, I don't know if you noticed, but
we sponsor ARL talking rugby league.
So that's quite massive, you know, And just I think a week

(20:03):
after how I think I told the team this, you know, I had to do
a presentation from of it was around 250 people, you know, at
Warren's headquarters. And so there was, but to be
honest, if I didn't do that course, there's no way I would
have said this to, you know, if I didn't, you know, all those
tips and it was really helping. And I guess you know.

(20:24):
I was feeling really scared to be honest, you know, going
there. But then once I got there and I
saw my banners on either side and this is like you had NRL
coaches, you know, some women's NRL players there.
I was like, hold up, this is my house.
And in a way, you know, they might say like why should I be
shy? This is this is about, you know,
this is about Wolf Security because we are the major

(20:46):
sponsors and it didn't really head home until the because of
the the Wahinas, the Warriors. Womanstein got up there and
actually firstly thanked me. Presley thanked me and said
thank you, Pat and Wolf Securityfor you guys.
This event would not happen. And I was like, you know, they
all looked at me and I'm like, actually, you know, he's
worried. So that's when I kind of like,

(21:06):
man, it's just feels so humbly, you know, to go up and tell my
story as well, you know. Yeah.
So things like that, I mean, youknow, just about just falls into
place and and yeah. Yeah.
Just live in a dream, to be honest.
I love it and I love it and I'm going to, I'm going to talk

(21:27):
about something. You use the word, you use the
word luck quite a bit there. But I am going to challenge you
on that there because recently I, I heard about there's four
kinds of luck. There's blind luck, which is the
luck you born into a family or you born into a place.
And then there's a luck called lack of lack of lack of motion,
lack of awareness and lack of uniqueness.
And I think, I think what you did is what you've done is

(21:48):
you've done the the lack of motion.
You know, you, what does that mean?
That means that you're going outthere doing things, as you said
before, you're networking, talking to the right people,
which means that you, you're building your own luck because
the first luck you can't that's you know, you're bored in Samoa.
You have no choice. This is that boom.
You could have chosen just to live in that world and go, this
is it. But you would actually, wait a
minute, I want to change my world.
So your lack of motion, lack of awareness was when you're when

(22:10):
Andrea said, Hey, why don't you give it a crack?
Yeah, this is an awareness. Wanted to give it a go.
And then you look at uniqueness is what you're doing right now,
which is really, really beautiful.
So I've learned recently that when people use the word luck, I
was actually just stop for a second and go, wait a minute,
you've made the luck happen because you've done all those
three things. If you just sat at home, Pat and
you with your uncle and your twoboys, none of this would happen.

(22:31):
And you know that as well. And I think, I think it would be
amazing if you ignore the fact that, hey, you've as much as
people that helped in your world, you've you've done a lot
of the soft work yourself as well, which is really beautiful.
To see. Thank you, brother.
I appreciate that. Yeah.
I mean, sometimes I tell people a bit of luck.
And he said, no, there's no luckin that.
It's hard work. And I guess for me to be

(22:52):
reminded that and he actually stop and think, oh, actually
they, they do have a good point in there because I have put in
the hard yards in order to, you know, get a bit of luck, so to
speak, you know, so. But yeah, no, that's
interesting. I've never even actually heard
of that. But that, you know, makes sense.
Yeah. Yes, it's.
Just it's just something I read a few weeks ago and it really
got me thinking about this is actually really true that, you

(23:13):
know, if we, we might go on luck.
They're doing all those things. They're because you, you know,
you've done all the things whichyou were in the right place.
You were. So you put yourself in the right
place. You made yourself a wee and you
made yourself unique, which is really, really beautiful.
And I, I want to come back to what you just glossed over in
your beautiful opening was when was the moment you said you were

(23:33):
in? If you were working at the
factory, when was the moment, that first moment when you went
into a boardroom? And how did that feel for you?
You know, because here you are, you know, you have this belief
and yeah, you have this, this dream.
But the action is always pretty hard.
The dream. Everyone has dreams.
We all have dreams. Everyone has a dream.
But that action point when you're like, OK, I've got to
wear my suit and go. And what is that like for you?

(23:55):
And what is that? Can you take us back maybe to
the moment and how you felt? Yeah.
I actually, I do remember so, soI had a a mate who I met through
like, yes, I made me for anotherfriend of mine.
His name's Harley. So he was a site manager for,

(24:16):
for Hawkins Construction company.
So we catch up now then. And he said to me because he he,
he found out that I started my own security on the site
business. And he said to me, Hey, Patty,
go and see the project manager, Gary, you know, at the job in
the city. And I was like, Oh, true.
Yep. So, you know, at the time I was
like, you know, guys work in thefactory all his life or what am

(24:40):
I going to say or do? So I was like, you know what,
I've got nothing to lose. I'll give her a crack.
So I still remember taking my black suit jacket.
I think it was, you know, church, you know, like a tiny
jacket. And I remember going to the
place and as I was going throughthe room, I was just like so
scared because, you know, I'm going to get me the project

(25:01):
manager and, and I remember sitting in a boardroom and he's
showing me the map of the, of the site and he goes back.
So what do you reckon? You know, it's all closed off
here and so forth. And I'm like, what's he on
about? No, I've just started security
business. I don't have experience.
But luckily, you know, somethingjust clicked on me and I just

(25:21):
used my common sense. I said, you know, we'll have one
here there, you know, just sort of try and make something up.
And then when I got home, I got an e-mail from Hawkins that said
Hawkins versus Wolf security with that mountain.
And I'm like, holy crap, you know, this is amazing.
So I think it was a week later, I told my, my warehouse boss, I
said, because I will see to him.I'll start this on the side once

(25:42):
it takes off, I'll probably haveto leave.
And his name's Colin, real nice guy.
And he, he, he understood. So, yeah.
So I had my notice in because I there was enough work there.
Like say that most business you get someone to work.
But in this case, I had to go and, you know, I had to go
through the hours because basically that's me, you know,
but for, to be honest, I was more excited.

(26:03):
The fact that, you know, Wolf, security is kind of, you know,
this is the first we approach, you know, like major contract.
Yeah. So, and then from there, as I
said before, I've got four people from the job that are
still gone to different construction companies that I'm
still asking and saying you're the only security business in my
thing. So such a blessing.

(26:24):
But yeah, so, so I still remember that time when Gary,
he's the starters with the X in as well.
And he's a Highland boy in the standing there with us, you
know, fake it to make it. And, and luckily for me, he kind
of listened to it. You know, he kind of believed
what I'm saying. And I think for him, we're
seeing, you know, Hollywood haveexplained to him or his parents
just started up his business. So it is all about helping them,

(26:47):
the small guys, you know. So, yeah, so that was my first
actual construction company. Right now our business probably
consists of 80% construction security site security, which is
awesome. And they all started from their
from their one job, you know, where I was still in effective,
got change, came back and told my boss, hey, boss was looking

(27:09):
really good. And then, yeah.
So I had to resign from there and the rest they say was
history. You know, I just from there, I
just use my networking and people that I knew from jobs and
that and yeah. And just pivot from there and
yeah, I just still can't believe, you know, we're here
almost 10 years, you know, 10 years and feet.

(27:29):
Yeah. It's such a pleasing, you know,
to be doing what I love doing and then to make a living off
out of it. And I guess, you know, provide a
home for my kids, wife and as well as the, you know, the
staff, my staff, you know, so that's that's really satisfying
and and knowing that, you know, I'm able to provide for myself

(27:49):
as well As for other people, especially for super Parliament.
Yes. I love the story because you
know, two things that that we stand up is you had a way to
believe in you because so easy, you could have not told you
about the job and the fact that also the person at Hawkins, the
project manager gave you time ofday to have the chat.
You know, and I think this is this is where we we go back to

(28:10):
thinking about, you know, sometimes at the right place,
the right time and the right people and things happen and you
know, the universe works in interesting ways and and also
yourself. You could have said no, you
could have said no. But as you said before, I have
got nothing to lose. What happens?
They say no. I come back to to whatever
happens. Come back to counting the nails

(28:31):
and put it in that, yeah, it's funny because the guy who hired
my mate that actually referred me, I rang him probably a couple
weeks ago because I still remember, you know, I'm saying,
look, bro, how's how's things checking up?
And I still remind him if it wasn't for you, like, you know,
and he goes, Nah, all good, bro.And I was like, no, no,
honestly, you know, you're the one that gave me the
breakthrough. You know, if it wasn't for your

(28:52):
connection, I wouldn't, I honestly don't think the
business would be where it is now.
So, yeah. So I still remember people that
helped me along the way, you know, So I want to reach out to
him, you know, for our 10 year anniversary, if he's available
to, to come because he's an important part of this whole 10
year journey, you know, yeah, funny enough, the project
manager, the Scottish guy, Gary missed, but I actually played

(29:14):
golf for him like 3 weeks ago. He's with another company, but
we speak about, you know, I remind and remember that time I
came in with, you know, started the business, had no idea what I
was talking about. And he's just checked around.
And so yeah. So it's really awesome to be
still be able to connect with those people and have a, you
know, a life outside of just work, you know, So yeah.

(29:38):
And, and, and that's, that's a great segue now into, into what
I guess my next question is you,you work so hard, you do all
these amazing things. How do you look after pet?
You know, you've got your family, you how do you balance
all this? Because running a business is,
is, you know, we spoke on the phone yesterday and it gives you
freedom and it gives yourself, but it was also a lot of hard
work. But how do you look after
yourself? What are your What are your
things that you? Do you ask my wife?

(30:00):
She'll probably say golf, which is probably the truth because so
just recently, I'm sorry, we've just, I managed to, to do a
Contra deal with, with my local club Golf Club.
And then so yeah, so therefore I'm able to take clients in
there. So, but my wife was really

(30:20):
letting me play golf once a week, you know, because that's
like it's just ask me what's my,that's my outlook, you know,
that's all my frustration. You know, some of my mates
weekends, anytime they hear pets, where is on the golf
course, you know, I just let it out you know, which is it's good
that you know that. Yeah, I actually, my wife even
says, you know, it's good for you to go play golf because you

(30:42):
don't feel as tense, you know, but but yeah, I love playing
golf, fishing as well in summer,I mean when the weather's good
and I guess hanging out with my kids, you know, I've got 4
beautiful kids, you know, all have their different needs in
there, you know, you know, sports and and so forth.
So but yeah, outside the the busy yeah, I guess for me is

(31:06):
playing golf was my way of yeah,relaxing and.
Sorting out, Yeah. I asked the question because,
you know, a lot of people think that, you know, you have to
hustle all the time and not havesome downtime.
But for you to be the best that you can be in whatever
situation, you need to have thatoutlet.
And for you, it's golf. You know, and I say I use the
word outlet inverted commas, butit's actually your.

(31:28):
You have fun doing it. Oh, I love it.
Yeah. So and it's a lot of networking
happening as well. So I'm doing what I love doing.
And there's potential to, you know, and that's why, you know,
Angio allowed me to go and and play golf because you can
actually network and there's some like police, you know, like
that comes out of it. So but they're now with, you
know, with what the deal of golf, the Golf Club, it's even

(31:50):
better. You know, I can bring potential
clients, current ones and yeah. So it's a win, win all round.
No. So it's all, it's all connected
to personal hobby as well as business because it's all kind
of connect. So yeah.
And it all connects to the person, right?
It connects to the human that ispet.
Yeah, yeah. No, that's right.

(32:12):
Yeah, and I'm going to, I'm going to talk about running
uphill. You spoke about this before.
It's, you know, around the world, everywhere you go anyway,
you see security, it's always black.
And you chose to run uphill and go pink.
And do you want to tell us, our listeners, why you chose pink
specifically? And you could have chosen any

(32:33):
color. You could have stuck to status
quo. What does it feel that what
actually I want to choose this color here?
Yeah. So I guess one of the ideas or
how it came about pink was that one of our first contract, which
we currently still have is Holy moly, the mini golf people know
in the city. So for the record, that's our

(32:55):
national contract. So we looked after Wellington,
Christchurch, Christchurch as well.
So yeah, so in those venues theywere like the managers wears red
polo, polo, the staff were at green and then I think I'm
training managers orange. So that's how the idea came
about. Hey, how about we wear pink?
Because, you know, it doesn't clash with them.

(33:17):
But more importantly, it's not intimidating, you know, because,
you know, as I said before, how many people go to town and see
some, you know, like island guysthink they're all wearing black
or, you know, and sometimes it can't be a bit intimidating, you
know, And if you go to remove someone you look over, they're
all wearing black. It's kind of like, whereas if
someone's wearing pink, you know, it's kind of like, it's

(33:37):
less intimidating, you know, Andpeople kind of, yeah, they're,
in my opinion, they don't feel threatened by it, you know, And
I guess it's a point of difference for us as well.
But the main reason being is, yeah, it's, it's intimidating,
you know, color for people, you know, so it's black.

(33:58):
So yeah, I guess that was the main reason why we we chose pink
to run uphill with pink. So, yeah, a lot of people
commented, like even the police in the city, they said, oh, I
love the the idea and the initiative to wear pink, you
know, because we don't really see many security firms in the
city wearing pink, you know, it's mainly black.

(34:19):
So yeah. So that's why we're quite proud
of us, you know, being known as the team wearing pink.
Yeah, and I think it's running uphill, right running uphill.
You could have service to just confirm conform to whatever else
it's doing. And and I and I agree with, you
know, when you see someone wearing pink immediately just de
escalate the situation straight away.
You know, and for some reason itjust makes makes you OK.

(34:40):
Cool, I'm just going to calm down.
Yeah, for sure. And I guess to add to the pink
as well, I'll have a lot of female guards as well, sperms
they just wear. I mean, they just hire male
guards. But you know, with female
guards, whether they're wearing pink or black, I feel like, you
know, a lot of people can relateto them.
You know, everyone's got a sister, mom, you know, like

(35:02):
that. So straight away, you know, even
if a guy's being aggressive and you know, if a female generally
talks to them, they, they usually calm down because their
natural instinct of I'll look into my mom or sister, you know,
and I guess you know, that's whyfor me, a lot of my, even some
of my venues, I have woman as myhead thumb instead of a guy
because they'll be able to deescalate and handle the

(35:25):
situation. You know, generally, you know,
it's more people will relate to a theatre, you know, we, you
know, like, yeah, there'll be more inclined to listen and calm
down rather than if it's a male,they tend to sort of not, you
know, not as you know, cooperatewith them in in a way.

(35:47):
So. Yeah, Yeah.
And. It's a good.
To have that one person like Pink having more female gas
because you know, there's not many, you know, I think there's
a state around that. It's only like 30% of security
in Auckland, you know, made-up of female gas, which is way low.
You know, their number needs to increase and you know, like,

(36:09):
especially if there's a conflict, you know, you'll need
a female sometime to, to, to attend the, the situation rather
than having a male come in and then it kind of escalates
everything else, you know what Imean?
So yeah, so that's what we're trying to do anyway, hire more
female guards, so. Yeah, and I think, and I think
what I, what I love about that, again, it's it's how you know

(36:29):
how it takes it. It it breaks the stereotype.
That's their security can only be for males that are a certain
certain criteria, certain age, certain certain demographic we
actually win. It can be this is something that
anyone can do if if they meet the other, you know, whatever
else you're looking for. Yeah, not for sure.
Yeah, which is really beautiful.And Pat, I I wonder, I want to

(36:50):
touch base on as Pat thinks about Pat today and Pat looks at
himself, you know, 13 years ago,not a 1013 years ago.
And if someone had said to Pat 13 years ago, hey, in 2025 you'd
be running a successful securitybusiness, what would you have
said to that, that that person? To be honest, I would have said,

(37:13):
yeah, you'll be dreaming or, youknow, I'll be, I'll laugh at
them. I'm being honest, you know,
because as you said, back then, my mindset was just all about
surviving, was all about just day-to-day go, you know, work in
effect. You come home, feed your kids
and see what the next day bringsyou rather than, you know, kind
of looking at the long game, youknow, looking, you know, like

(37:35):
further than you know, they're just looking, you know, what's
in front of you. You know what I mean?
So, yeah, someone that asked me,they're like, even myself even
now, to be honest, like even I'mstill pinching myself of what
myself and my wife and the families managed to achieve
through the business. I mean, through.
Yeah. It's just as I said, I'm even

(37:58):
now. I'm still can't believe it.
Have to remind myself I'm actually the business, you know,
I'm a businessman rather than just the guy that's started a
business and hoping for the peace, you know.
But yeah, I mean, it's always good to look back in your
journey and see how far you've come.
But as I said, it's, yeah, sometime I have to pinch myself

(38:20):
to, to, to realize, you know, I am, you know where I am through
sort of hard work, you know, So yeah, that's.
And and, and, and, you know, we speak about the business, we
speak about that which is the hardest.
But what is the hardest thing for Pat as a person to get
through? Because you've had to face so
many inner, inner demons and inner conversations.

(38:43):
Is there one particular one thatyou really have to battle to get
to? You know, and you might have you
must have the battle today, but is there, you know, because you
spoke about the mindset, you know, mindset breaking the
moles, doing all the things thatthe whole world is saying, don't
do this, don't do this. And also yourself.
You know that the impulsive syndrome, am I the right person?

(39:03):
Is the one thing that just really stands out for you.
Something you just had to reallyovercome to get to where you are
today. I guess if there was something
which I'm still working on, I guess running a business is
supposes my communication and I suppose I'm getting stuff done

(39:30):
on time, you know, and I guess, you know, my wife will speak,
you know, about this. But yeah, I guess, you know,
sometime I'll say I'll do something and then but I don't
end up almost over promising sort of thing, you know?
So I've got to learn to balance that and say, you know, I'll,
you know, for example, like I'llget you, someone emails me, I

(39:52):
want this, instead of saying I'll give it to you on Friday,
I'll say I'll give it to you tomorrow, you know.
And I guess, you know, that's something that I need to work
on, especially with my team because then puts pressure on
them. So I guess, yeah, I've always
found that hard, but I'm still learning.
But I guess it's just finding that balance, right, You know?
So yeah, it's just that organization.

(40:14):
And I guess speaking as well, you know, that's why I came and
did the speakers course. You know, I mean, I'm still
terrible now, but not as bad, you know, like speaking to
people in in front of people, you know?
So that's something that I had to go get help for.
And I feel like there's definitely help, you know, it
can be better, but it's I've come a long way from since, you

(40:35):
know, meeting you at the speakers course in there.
So yeah. Yeah.
And I guess, you know, both of those things are really hard
because, you know, the first oneis, as you said before you, this
is still you still pinch yourself and you know, when
someone says, Hey, this is an opportunity, but in EU or the
child you is going, yeah, I'm just going to say yes, because
what if it goes away? You know, what if it goes away?
It's that it's that in AI just got to say yes, others.

(40:57):
What if I lose opportunity rightnow?
You know, it's it's a it's a journey, as you said, you know,
so and it's beautiful that you're aware of it and you
people around it. And the speaking thing is, I
mean, you know, we're all we're all we're on a different parts
of the journey. And I tell this is out there
still remember seeing Pat on dayone and Pat Pat, what are the
other podcasts today? If we had Pat on Pat on day one.

(41:20):
So you know, as you say, you know, you're still not be
speaking. I disagree with that.
I think you've grown exponentially within six months.
You know, that's a great acknowledgement.
There on the first day, I remember just freezing, you
know, and everyone started clapping, you know, I was like,
I can't do this, you know? But yeah, I guess we've got
encouragement from, from the tutors and the team around, you

(41:41):
know, it just makes you feel more confident.
And that's what's all about it, you know?
I remember meeting the I've got his name, the professor, so the
one that the lecture, you know, uni and I see some I thought,
oh, maybe he's coming here as a special guest or having he said,
no, no, I'm here for the course.And that's when I realized,
damn, that's, you know, yeah. It's blew my mind that I had

(42:04):
someone who speaks for, you know, in front of so many people
for living. And yet he's there to, I
suppose, masters, you know, you know, perfect us as graphs, so
to speak. So yeah, I know that was quite
interesting. Even yourself, you know, when I
was talking to, I was like, you don't need to be here.
You. I mean, but yeah, I guess

(42:25):
everyone has different reasons for doing it.
For me, it was to be able to be more confident, you know, I'm
speaking to my team, you know, rather than not being able to be
heard, you know, like when you're speaking, stuff like
that. So yeah, it's all about
confidence. And I feel like I got there out
of out of it. So yeah.
And doing one of the compliment 100% conference is pretty

(42:46):
amazing. But talk about confidence,
though. Now you think, you think about
what you said before is giving giving back to the Pacific
community, because this is a community to come from, which is
really powerful to you. You know, going back to the
factory and talking to people that that see you now that you
see yourself where you would do you feel that you have the
confidence now to go actually, hey, hey, you guys, you can you

(43:07):
can break the way you're thinking because I have made it
and I have made it because I've changed my whole world.
Do you now see yourself as someone that could be a role
model to, to tell young Pacificamales out there?
And I, and I choose young Pacifica males on purpose
because we know, I mean, I work in education and I know young
Pacifica females is really just one of they just go, they go

(43:28):
hundreds and they do things whereas young Pacifica males
really struggle. I have, I have a, a mentee at
the moment that I'm working withwho's a young Pacifica male.
He's very, he's, he's very delicate.
He goes to kill some boys. He's really awesome.
But he always tells me about hisfriends who are just, they've
already said they're in year 13 and next year they're going to
work in a factory. They're going to go to that and
he he challenges them all the time.

(43:49):
But as you see yourself and you go, hey, wait a minute, I can
shift the narrative. How do you see yourself in in,
you know, not in a way that's a pedestal, but actually this is
something that you're a lived experience of someone that's
that's that's done, that's confident, that whole Jenny.
Yeah. Well, yeah, it's funny to say
that because, you know, as I said, when people mention like,

(44:12):
oh, you're a great role model and you're, you know, business
leader, at first I'm like, Nah, I'm not there.
But then when I stop and think about it, you know, and now, you
know, if I get opportunity to tospeak to like, let's say a
school or in a specific calendarthat, you know, I feel confident
and, and, and proud that I actually can tell them, you
know, look, you know, anything'spossible.

(44:34):
You know, where I come from, I did it the hard way and a bit of
hard work and bit of luck, you know, I've got where I am.
But to make it easier for yourself, you know, like to
actually, you know, encourage them to go study, go to uni
rather than, you know, as I saidthat they cycle of go get a
factory job, high pitches or sports car.
And then you end up, you know, they cycle.

(44:54):
They're never, you know, unless it's broken by, you know,
someone, it's just going to keeprepeating itself in a generation
to generation. So I guess, yeah.
Another good example is I was infor a Rua a couple of months ago
for like, it's like a conference, like a rural council
where all the business people were there.

(45:15):
And I met AI met a young island couple who's just started their
landscaping business, you know, and I was talking to them and I
explained my story and honestly,like the look on their face,
like, oh, man, that's so awesome.
If you even ask me. Oh, do you mind if if we give
you a call, you know, for some advice?
And I almost got emotional because I was like, man, this

(45:38):
is, I guess people, you know, looking up, you know, like just
telling my story. And I guess him, you know,
inspired, you know, you can justsit in the face and and make me
like quite emotional, kind of like hang on here.
And then I gave him my number and he actually called me the
other day to say how's things going.
And I said, look, if you ever need any advice, I mean, I don't

(46:01):
know much about whatever I can do to help with whether, you
know, like accounting, sort of, you know, running a business,
just a standard, you know, like basic stuff.
And they're like, oh, thank you so much.
You know, they said we really want to, you know, your
inspiration and stuff like that.But for me, you know, my point
was, is to try and make them go,wow.
It's just more like I was naturally, you know, seeing a

(46:23):
Pacific Island couple, like, trying to go on their own and
succeed. You know, it's like, man, for
me, that was just quite inspiring.
So. So I'll tell them my story.
Excuse me. Yeah.
And then, yeah, so those sort ofthings, you know, like they
weren't young, but they were still like new to the to the
game, you know, and for them to be inspired by my story, it made

(46:44):
me kind of feel like, damn, you know, that's what I need to do
more of, you know, whether speaking, you know, to people,
you know, like on conference or or something like that, you
know, where I can say to them, look, you can't do it.
You know, like doesn't matter what background you have, you
know, just got to just find something that you're passionate

(47:05):
about and just give it a go. Because what's worse, they're
not giving a go. You will still be in the same
spot, you know, the place on thehill they're running up.
You're not going to be going anywhere.
They'll be static for the rest of your life.
So. So, yeah.
So that was a really humbling experience for me, you know, to
see that, to see a couple here, especially Pacific Islander
starting a business and be inspired by my story, you know?

(47:28):
So wow, that was quite a Yeah, It was a great experience for
me. And it was quite satisfying
knowing that I've managed to sort of inspire them to say,
look, if this guy's almost 10 years, you know, why can't we
get to that? You know what I mean?
So, yeah. So those are the sort of things
that I guess not by chance, but I feel like, yeah, it's just

(47:52):
running a business. It all comes with the territory,
you know, some good, some bad. But in this case, it's a.
It was a really positive thing for in my from my perspective.
Yeah, and and and I rather because you know, it's it's in
those you don't go seeking it, it, it you just you just when
you're yourself, your own self and you Share your story, you'd

(48:14):
have no idea who you inspire. I remember when I, when I was
teaching at university and my, my, my mentor said to me,
there'll be one word that you'llsay, one sentence that you'll
say that one young person in theroom will hear and be inspired
by or not inspired by. So, you know, when you speak
your story, you know, people outthere will hear and go, Oh, this
is inspirational. Because the one thing that I
really like about what you said,Pat, is nowhere, nowhere in this

(48:36):
whole story have you said it's been easy.
It's been, it's been hard. And you, you know, life, life is
a roller coaster and it's very easy for you or for anybody
that's in any business to go. This is way to out of train
throwing the talent, but you've got to get to the hard, you
know, the hard, the hard yards to get to enjoy the golf, right.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
No, I totally agree. Yeah.

(48:58):
You know, you put in the hard yards and then, you know,
sometime I get some of my staff come around there.
Oh, it must be nice to have thisand that.
But then I think to myself, well, you know, I work hard to
get where I am, you know, So, you know, they're saying, you
know, you've got to still put onthe hard gas, you know, to
achieve what you want. You know, nothing's handed to
you on the plate. So, yeah, Yeah.

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You, you think about all the successful, they all work hard.
There's no successful person that, that, that just sits and
does nothing. You know that everybody,
everybody all work hard. And you know, you think about, I
think about Sam who was at the, you know, Sam speakers and I see
the hard work that he does. I'm like, well, he could have so
easily just sit down and just made his, he's made his
millions. But on the road, you know, think

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the hard work, which is. Inspiring her story and 100% you
know, and that's why I ended up coming to the course because we
I don't know if I told you, but we're actually we're just going
to go there check it out and then leave halfway because you
know, I'll just not halfway. But we went 100% king, but also
joined by Sam's story. I actually told my wife and

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Graham are are we behind you guys go home and they're like,
Are you sure? And I actually sign up, got up,
meet Sam and I started, got emotional, started crying and
he's like, so I can feel the energy.
I was like, how embarrassing wasthat?
But I suppose my point being, you know, I got inspired by his
story, you know, where he came from.
And I guess for me is I can relate to that now from my

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factory job to changing my mindset to start a business.
You know, that that's the connection I had with Sam.
And I guess that's why I, you know, I'm so glad I did it.
You know, I mean, it took me a long time, almost a year to keep
pulling it back because I was too, too scared and, and to, you
know, didn't want to do it. But then I had to do it because

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I already paid for it. And I was like, yeah, I'll get a
refund. I'll get through.
I was like, OK, I'll go do it. And that's why I got to meet all
of these. And, yeah, so it was an awesome
experience. And, you know, people asked me
what was it like? And I said it was the hardest
and most rewarding experience ofmy life.
And it's true. It was so hard enough trying to

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speak in front of, you know, I know it wasn't a big audience,
but it was just real daunting. By the end of it, we all managed
to even visit James, you know, it was so quiet, even him there.
So it's so inspiring. Everyone's got their story.
So, so I'm glad that I was part of that, that experience and
journey with all of these, you know, so.

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Yeah, it's, it's really, it's really, it's really, it's really
clear. This is why we have this podcast
as well, because as you see people get inspired, people
follow people, and, you know, someone's going to hear
something you've said today and they're going to get inspired,
but or not, right, It doesn't actually matter.
But your story is your story, and no one can take it away from
you. This is your story.
This is a, you know, Yeah. And I, I haven't lived past

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story and no one else was able to live past story ever.
But it's your story to share with the world.
Yeah. Now for sure, and that's what
Sam told us. Say we all have a story.
Yeah. You are your story.
No, I mean, I Yeah. To remind myself my story is you
know where It's the reason why I'm here.
So. That's right, that this has been

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a great conversation. And before we close, we have, we
have a tradition unless there's something else you want to add.
Is there anything else you'd like to add that I haven't
covered that you want to share? No, no, that's yeah.
No. Thank you for the opportunity.
As I said, like, that's pretty much my story, you know, like, I
know we're sort of all over the show, but I appreciate you

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having the questions to sort of keep me on track.
But but yeah, I guess for me, it's just really inspiring to be
able to have a chat with you like this and tell my story
because as you say, there could be someone out there they might,
you know, inspired by it, you know, and this that's what I
feel like. Yeah.

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It's a it's a great rewarding thing for me to run a business
and be able to inspire other people to to, you know, to just
have their own story. You know, whether different to
mind, but no. Worries, No worries.
That's two more, two more questions for you, Pat.
Question number one is, is an easy one.
The first question is if anybodywants to reach out to you and

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you know, either talk to you about your Security Service or
your story, what's the best way they can do that?
Yep, just through our website, it's www.wolfsecurity.co.nc and
we're on like Instagram as well and Facebook, etc.

(53:35):
Wolf security. Yeah, just just e-mail through
on the website. It's got the e-mail where if
you're inquiring about whether, you know, looking for a job or
even, you know, looking for security, you know, someone to
provide security, whether it's corporate construction, anything
like that. Yeah.
So you can find us on our website.

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Yeah, and on Tiktok, we'll see pet pet dancing discussion with
that personal. For the recorder, I don't want
to throw it, but they're like, OK, no thanks. 1,000,000 views
on me guys within 5 minutes to jump on there.
The second question, have we? The second question have we Pat
is, is a tradition we have on our podcast.

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Our, our podcast is called bosses of knowledge and every
guest that we have on, we invitethem to share some piece of of
knowledge to put into our basket.
You've shared so much in today'sstory, but is there any piece of
knowledge that you can share with our basket for myself, for
listeners that that you live your, your will, your life?
By a guess, yeah, I guess advices, I guess is just don't

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you know, like don't doubt yourself, you know, like if you,
if you decide to to give something a go, like just don't
be afraid to, to give it a go because you'll be if it doesn't
come off, you'll be in the same position.
If it comes off, you'll be, you know, ahead, you know, of where
you were before. So I guess don't be afraid to

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give things a go, you know, because if it does come off,
you'll be better off. If you don't give it a go,
you'll still be in the same spot.
So, and I guess in my case, I gave it a go and and, and
luckily, you know, it's kind of pan out for me at the moment.
And yeah, so, so at least that's.
Yeah, I love it. I love it.

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And there, there was two there, there were two there.
And then one was don't doubt yourself, because I think a lot
of us doubt ourselves. You know, we, we, and that's the
biggest thing, like you said before, if you have the doubt,
it's never going to work out. And the second one is give it a
crack. You know, even if you give it a
crack and you fail, you'll stillbe far ahead if you didn't give
it a track like you said. And if it works out, hey, you're
far ahead, so don't doubt yourself and give it a crack.

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What a great what what a great piece of knowledge to put into
our into our. Box that's what happened with me
you know I gave it a crack and you know I'm a little bit a
little bit hit in when I was youknow I.
Think a lot of head, a lot of head, not a little bit.
A lot of head, a lot of head. Pat, beautiful.
Thank you so much for spending time today.
Paul, this is out there. Pat is actually sitting in his

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office at at 9:00 at night during this podcast.
So really, really appreciate histime today.
Paul. Listeners, hopefully you have
enjoyed listening today's podcast.
We've had someone on here shared.
Yeah, yeah. Now, thank you so much, brother.
Appreciate the opportunity. And you know, I love your work
and keep it up, man. You know, as I said, yeah, we
can only get bigger while you'redoing, you know, bastard of

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nose. So thank you brother.
Thank you. Yeah, sounds good.
Thank you, man. Appreciate it.
Take care. Take care.
Thank you for listening to Bastards of Knowledge.
Yeah, We hope that you found something useful to put into
your Bastards of Knowledge. And as we said before, remember

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to put something that'll into your Bastards of Knowledge every
week. And as always, feel free to
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Thanks, everybody. Bye.