From Grief to Growth with Sarah Robb

What happens when life brings you to your knees?

At just 20 years old, Sarah Robb lost her father. Six years later, while overseas, she received a call that changed her world again, her mother had suffered a brain aneurysm. By 26, she had lost both parents.

The grief was overwhelming. There were days she couldn’t get out of bed, days of numbing pain through old habits. But instead of letting loss break her, Sarah made a choice:

“What you’re not changing, you’re ultimately choosing. And your choice is the most powerful tool you have.”

That one insight reshaped everything.

Today, Sarah is the founder of Spring with Sarah, a speaker and coach who teaches resilience, the power of mindset, and how to embrace presence in a world that never slows down.

In this conversation, Sarah opens up about:

🌱 How loss became the catalyst for her personal growth
🌱 The meaning behind Spring with Sarah and the blossoms that gave her hope during her mum’s final days
🌱 Why flowers, nature, and slowing down became part of her healing journey
🌱 The discipline behind posting daily on social media, even when no one’s watching, and how consistency took her from 3,000 to 80,000 followers
🌱 Why knowledge isn’t power, applied knowledge is

Key Learnings from Sarah’s Journey:

• Choice is everything, every day, every moment, you decide whether to heal or stay stuck.

• Consistency beats motivation, results come from showing up, not waiting to “feel ready.”

• Presence saves lives, slowing down, breathing, noticing the small things can lift the heaviest clouds of grief.

• Celebrate the gain, not the gap,  growth comes from reflecting on how far you’ve come, not chasing what you lack.

This episode of Baskets of Knowledge is raw, real, and uplifting. If you’ve ever struggled with grief, mindset, or the discipline to keep going, Sarah’s story will get you to think about the way you make a choice.

Listen now on Spotify or YouTube and let her words remind you that even in the darkest seasons, spring will always return.

Episode Transcript

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Hey everybody, it's Prajesh here.
In Tana here. Welcome to our podcast Passes of
Knowledge chats with a difference.
In our podcast, we invite guestsfrom around the country and
around the world to talk about how they got to where they at
the moment. It's about a journey, it's about
an experience, it's about their life.

(00:26):
Keira Koto, everybody. Welcome to another episode of
Baskets of Knowledge. And we welcome back Tani, who
we've missed over the last two episodes.
Welcome back Tani. What's been keeping you busy?
Putting some stuff in your basket.
Yeah, no, I've missed a few exciting episodes, but it's been
good to go back and listen to them.
I think something I've learned over the last couple of weeks
has just been that sometimes theanswers that you're searching

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for when you're in a space of not quite knowing what you're
wanting to do will come to you. I think, you know, while I was
in that position, that's so easyfor us to go, oh, I need to find
the answer. Oh, I know what's deep inside.
But I think sometimes it's just letting those answers find you.
And that's been a really awesome, I guess.
Yeah, finding and learning for me to see that sometimes those

(01:08):
opportunities will come to you. Sometimes other people will re
spark that fire that's inside you.
So really just I guess flipping that narrative to go, yes, it's
awesome to be proactive and go and seek amazing opportunities,
but sometimes those opportunities will come to you
and. That's such a great learning
because, you know, we're conditioned to just keep finding
the answers and knowing all the answers to everything.

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And even if we don't know the answer, we just make up an
answer. But like, yeah, yeah, we just
hallucinate and make it up because we go, hey, this is what
it should be, but it's awesome for you to go.
Actually, I don't have to have all the answers all the time.
My learning over the last week actually happened this morning
when a client of mine introducedme to concept, the Japanese
concept of Mars, which I've never heard of before.

(01:51):
And I was like, oh, what is thisall about?
And it blew my mind. So it's basically a concept
where you have you encompassed the meaningful space between the
gap or interval between things as opposed to just absence.
So when this space is reason forspace, and it's really got me
thinking about, you know, just what you said just before about
knowing all the answers, it's OKto have space and let the space

(02:14):
be. And I think about how many times
in our life we don't actually have any space to just have
space. You know, we have these devices
all the time. And I think about times in the
past when you would be at a, youknow, you'd go to cafe or you'd
be on the bus or whatever, and you just have space and enjoy
the space. And now we fill the space with
devices because you're probably busy all the time.
So it's really got me thinking about this.

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And also it really got me thinking about the guest that we
have today who who does some really cool stuff in the space
in the space, which I'm not going to reveal right now, but
you'll see what I mean as we go forward.
So that was my learning and something I want to think about
over the next few days, this concept of ma MA.
But enough about us as always. You know, the two of us can keep

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chatting through, but it's not about us.
It's about our guests. And for those of you that jump
on off and you know that we scour the country and the world
to find people that we think areinteresting.
Everyone's interesting. Everyone's got a story to sell
to tell, not to sell to tell. And today I'm so privileged and
very honoured to have our guest and with someone that I, that I
am inspired by, by the work thatthey do.

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And we connected a few years agoin person at a cafe somewhere
and they were on the start of their journey.
And it's really amazing to see what they've established and
done over the last few years. But even then before, before
they started doing what they wanted to do, They're a pretty
inspiring human being. And I'm pretty sure that those
of you listening will find a lotof solace and a lot of knowledge

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and what they're going to share today.
Or although maybe you can relateto some of the things that they
have experienced. Welcome to the podcasts, Sarah.
Thank you so much for having me.I'm really excited to be here.
Hopefully drop some wisdom bombsand some golden Nuggets for
those who are tuning in today. I'm sure, I'm sure you will,
Sarah. For those of us who know nothing

(04:02):
about who Sarah is, who is Sarahtoday on the 16th of 17th or
17th of August 2025? Yeah, great question.
So on the 17th of September 2025, I am currently a speaker
and a coach and I speak predominantly on mindset,
resilience, adapting to change. And my journey into this space

(04:24):
is a very interesting story. As you said, everyone's got a
story. For me, it's been a lot of
heartache and pain that has got me here.
And I, yeah, I, I'm just somebody who loves to be able to
always learn and grow and be able to give some of that wisdom
back. Yeah.
So I'd love to share a little bit of that story.

(04:45):
Have you got anything to kind ofkick me off into that?
Yeah. Certainly.
Let's get into it. So before we begin to your
story, let's let's go back a little bit.
If we met Sarah seven years ago and we said to Sarah 7-8 years
ago, hey, Sarah, you were going to be doing, you were going to
be a speaker in this space here.What would you have said at that
point in time? Well, it's an interesting
question that you asked because exactly 7 years ago today, I was

(05:09):
just come home from Colombia, had had a phone call and we were
actually spending a lot of time at the moment in ICU fighting
for my mum's life. So exactly 7 years ago today, my
world was about to flip upside down, which is all part of the
story and all part of how I got to where I am today.

(05:31):
Yeah, that's crazy. So it's quite the universe is
pretty crazy, right? Picking today in seven years.
Exactly. And if we go pre today and we go
Columbia, you're on your adventure in Columbia.
And would would you have thoughtthat this is the way your world
was going to shift when you wereover in Columbia doing your
adventure? Absolutely not.
I don't know if any keynote speakers set out to be a keynote

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speaker. Often a speaker's evolve from
their own story or their own journey, and they believe that
they've got some wisdom or something to share with the
world. So for me, the university
student who started their PE degree down in Dunedin
definitely didn't expect that I was going to be here 10 years
later. Yeah, crazy.

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And So what happened seven yearsago?
What was that? That fundamental shift where
your journey started, I guess. My journey started a little bit
before that, seven years, and I think it's important that people
understand that piece of of the journey.
So I was a student down in Dunedin studying psychology and
physical education, a typical Otago student, loved partying,

(06:35):
loved going out. And one day I was lying in my
flat and I received a phone callfrom my mum and my mum had rung
to tell me that my father had fallen off a balcony up in the
Marlborough Sounds and he had actually died.
So as a young 20 year old, it was a real shock trying to

(06:55):
process that information. And then, you know, we had all
the formalities and everything that happens when somebody dies.
And then two weeks later I went back down to Dunedin and I did
what a lot of people do. I suppress the pain, I suppress
the grief. I drank a lot.
I found myself in some really challenging places not knowing

(07:15):
how to navigate this intense emotion.
And what a lot of people don't speak about is that, you know,
my dad wasn't the perfect father.
He was actually an alcoholic, and the alcoholism was what
actually killed him. And so I didn't really know how
to process the fact that, one, Iwas grieving my dad, but two, I

(07:36):
didn't have a great relationshipwith him.
And so as a young person, this was very complex for me to
understand. And the only way I knew how to
cope was to kind of drink and suppress and pretend like
nothing had happened. That led me on after university
to head up to Auckland, where I started on my personal
development journey. And I started getting into rooms

(07:58):
and started to listening to podcasts and reading books.
And I started to unpack the weight of that trauma from Dad
dying. And life was back on track.
And then that's what led me overseas to do my big OE.
And I was lying on A beach in Columbia seven years ago last
week, and I received another phone call.

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This time it was from my brother.
He had rung to tell me that my mom had had a brain aneurysm and
then I needed to get back to Christchurch as fast as
possible. And so it was exactly this time
70 years ago, 17th of September 2018, that we were in ICU
fighting for Mom's life. And there was a lot of ups and

(08:41):
downs during this week. Ultimately they told us that mum
had less than 10% brain functioning left and that she
wasn't going to survive. So at 26 years old, next week,
Monday the 22nd will be 7 years since my mum died and obviously
previously my dad dying as well.And so as a young person, facing

(09:04):
grief and loss was a space I hadno idea about.
All I knew was what had happenedwith Dad.
So this has really led me being the catalyst for my growth, for
why I'm a speaker now is becauseI want to show people how to
adapt to change, build resilience, and understand
fundamentally how powerful our minds really are.

(09:27):
Yeah, and I thank you for sharing that there.
And as you know we are right nowis you sharing your story,
speaking about how you can adaptwith that.
But as a 26 year old, what was that like?
Because this you we don't have both mindset at 26 years old
where you lose both your parents.
What was it like for you as a young person who goes actually,
my world has shifted dramatically in the way that

(09:48):
nobody can expect or even explain or understand.
Incredibly confronting. It really makes you grow up very
quickly. At the age of 26, I was not only
dealing with the grief of my momand dad dying, I was also
dealing with estates, wills, money, and things that I had no
idea about. So for the first little while, I

(10:10):
was just in this bubble and trying to navigate life.
There was many days that I didn't think that I would get
through, many days of not being able to get out of bed.
Ultimately the I look back at those times and you know, they
are what shaped me and they are what has lead me here.

(10:32):
Because without those challenges, without that
heartache and without that pain,I wouldn't have been able to
turn inwards and start to understand what I really, truly
understand about life now. And thank you for seeing that
there. One of the things I really
enjoyed about, you know, from this place of, of grief.
And as you said, you know, hey, the your world has shifted wills
or states, which nobody teaches you about in any context of

(10:54):
life. What I've enjoyed was really
inspired by is how you've taken this and Spring with Sarah has
popped up. Is there a specific reason why
we're stuck? Whether you're spring with
Sarah, is there a story behind that?
Yeah, of course, the one of the main stories if you've ever been
to Christchurch on Dean's Avenue, right now, the blossoms

(11:14):
every year are blossoming at this exact time.
And so every day when I was outside of ICU waiting to fight
for mum's life, I was walking around the park and the spring
blossoms were out. So spring is a really, a really
metaphorical term for me. What?
What is spring? It's when you come from the
darkness and the bloomer game. If you know what a natural

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spring is. A natural spring is where you're
filtering through the dirt and the water.
Also a spring, a spring back being able to go come back to
life. So spring is a very metaphorical
term and it has many different meanings.
That's why my business is calledSpringmacera.

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I, I, I love the metaphors. This is so crazy.
I was like, I've never thought about it that way.
And it's really cool thinking about how each one of those
metaphors actually brings you back into awareness of either
where you are, the change, but also back to you as, as, as a,
as a person. Love it, love it.
And the other thing I also lovedabout, you know, I've been
following you on your Instagram for a long time and the flowers.

(12:19):
Let's talk about the flowers that you give out and you send
out and you, you put out there. Well, what is what's the story
behind that? Great question.
So for those of you who don't know who I am, I'm a massive
lover of nature, like many of us, and particularly flowers.
And one of the things that really helped me on my journey
is there were these days that I was so deeply in the hole, like

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I just didn't know how I was going to get to the other side.
And I would walk around Hagley Park, but I would do something
different. I would slow down and I would
observe the flowers and the birds and the butterflies.
And every day, instead of rushing on my walk to get to the
next place, I would just sit andobserve.

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And I did this every day on my healing journey.
And what I started to realize was that we are nature.
Nature is not something separatefrom us.
And everything lives and everything dies.
And when I started to have theserealizations, it's that the
cloud of grief started to lift alittle bit.
And that's what was really, really birthed.

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My passion for growing flowers is because you take something so
small, a seed, a bulb, a tuba looks like absolutely nothing.
And then watching that grow intoits bloom and then it dies.
And you know, we as human beings, we have these same life
cycles as nature. And for me, it's just, it's,

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it's a way that I, one, connect with my parents, but two, it
brings me so much joy. And then it brings the world joy
as well. You know, you think about when I
think what you're saying, flowers, just by seeing a
flower. If you're having a bad day, you
see a bright flower. It doesn't matter.
You can be feeling the worst, but it you might not go from
zero to 100, even the 1% a flower just does that, which is

(14:07):
really, really amazing. And again, as it just touches
back to the concept of Mar, which I've heard about today.
You know, as you said before, just being there, present in the
absence of everything. It's wow.
As we, we do it, but we don't doit.
So you know, how often do we just keep rushing as you sit?
And we did all the time. I'm guilty of that day.
And I'm sure Hannah, you're guilty of that as we and I'm

(14:27):
sure Sarah before you're also guilty of just moving and just
not embracing that. Actually, let's just stop and
literally smell the roses. Totally.
And as I say to clients, you know we are human beings, not
human doings and we've no condition to believe on the the
next thing, the next task, the next goal.
When I have this, I will be XY and Z.

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But life is happening right now and the greatest privilege of
both of my parents dying is understanding that every day is
a gift. It's not a given.
And whilst the heartache and pain can still be roar at times,
the lessons and the learnings that you learn from the death of
both your parents at a young agehas been profound.

(15:10):
And it's truly like people take their lives for granted and
really practicing presence is what saved my life.
And too many people are rushing through life completely missing
the point. And that's so, so transit
profound, isn't it? Let them sit there because it's

(15:30):
really important for people to hear that to go, hey, you can
just slow down and just be OK. Because as you said before,
tomorrow's not guaranteed. There's nothing that's
guaranteed in life apart from different taxes, you know, And
yeah. And it's and, and what I, what I
would love to ask you is how didyou embrace this?
Because in terms of you lose both your appearance, the world
has changed dramatically. This you could have shifted and

(15:52):
gone one way, but you chose to go the other way, you know,
because it's so easy. You know, doing the hard thing
is doing what you're doing rightnow, embracing it and using it
to teach the world the easy thing quotation Marcus stick
actions be oh the world is terrible, wallowing pity and
well with me. How did you?
Is that a mindset you've always had or was it something you've

(16:13):
developed? Definitely not something I've
always had. And there was a very a period of
time there like naturally you gothrough well, why me?
Why did my parents die? What have I done wrong in my
life to deserve this? And you know that victim
mentality is a is a long road tonowhere.
And I played in that victim mindset for a long time after my

(16:36):
dad died. And all it did was keep me in
cycles of addiction and patternsand negativity.
And as soon as my mum died, I had this thought straight away
that was like both your parents don't die at 26 for you to not
do something good with your life.

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And whilst I still played in thewhy me poor me for a long period
of time after mum died, I had this really great coach.
It's about 18 months after my mum died and I share this in my
keynotes. And she said to me something
that fundamentally changed the and some people understand the

(17:19):
the weight of what she was saying.
And some people will just brush off what she said.
She said this, she said, Sarah, you realise what you're not
changing, you're ultimately choosing.
And it was from that day forwardwhen she said that to me that I
made the choice to no longer be the victim of both my parents

(17:41):
dying. I made the choice to choose
healing over suffering and to let this experience make me
instead of break me. Our choices in life are
fundamentally the most powerful tool that we have.
And at any given time, you can change the direction of your
life by simply making a different choice.
Different choices lead to different outcomes.

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And so for me, how I got to where I am now is nothing
special. It's just making different
choices. The choice to not be the victim,
the choice to do something different.
And I want people to know, trulythat your choice is the most
powerful thing you have. I love that, Sir.
I love, I love the choice thing.And it's really quite funny

(18:23):
because one of my favorite quotes is when you were born,
you look like your appearance and when you die, you look like
your choices. And I think about that all the
time. I was like, this is so true
because every moment, as you said before, we make a choice.
We make the choice and the choice.
You have power of the choice, right?
You choose which way you want togo.
And I love the message that you have that had you chose, but

(18:45):
sometimes it's hard to make thatchoice unless somebody helps
you. You know the power of the coach,
the power of your coach at that particular time. 100% and that I
would not be here where I am today.
I've had so many different coaches.
The best thing about getting a support, whether it's a guidance
or a coach or a counsellor, is that they will show you parts of

(19:07):
yourself that you can't see. And so for me, what I realized
early on after I'd, you know, made some really bad choices,
was that the best investment I could make in my life at that
time was to invest in myself. And so I invested in my mind.
I invested in my health because as they say, in life, you've got

(19:30):
a million problems until you've got a health problem, then
you've got one problem. And so for me, that's where I
ended putting up my energy and my money because when you pay,
you pay attention. And so for me, my coach, you
know, she was really what helpedme in those early days because I

(19:51):
showed up and I did the work andthat's what created the shifts.
I love that. I love that saying when you pay,
you pay attention, how beautifulis that and how powerful that is
Because I think about I'm guiltyof this yourself.
All these free things, you nevergo to them or you, you just and
a thing that's free. You got that?
Whatever, whatever. You know, or you take it for for
granted, even every day you wakeup in the morning, you take

(20:13):
things for granted until you go actually vitamin, as you said,
being present in that moment goes, OK, what choice I'm making
right now. I love it.
I love it and talking about presents and choices, The one
thing that I've, again, I'm, I said at the start, I'm inspired
by what you do, but I've also been, I was inspired by how you
post it every single day on yourInstagram or your socials.

(20:36):
Was there a reason for that there?
Was it for yourself or was it for other people?
What was that for? And I'll, you'll see why I come
to the question in a second. Good, good question.
No, there was many days that I didn't want to post and there
has been still many days that I don't want to post.
But I fundamentally understand in life that if you want to get
from here to here, the the key is repetition and consistency.

(20:59):
Repetition and consistency is the mother of change.
And if you fundamentally understand that in any aspect of
your life, people say that you know, you're lucky that you got
where you are. It's like, no, I showed up every
single day when you decided thatyou didn't want to post for
three weeks. And that's totally fine.
Everyone's allowed to make theirchoices, right?

(21:21):
But I knew early on in the journey that if you want to get
where you want to go, Sarah, it's going to require repetition
and consistency. It's going to require no one
liking your posts. Crickets.
No responses. Get OK with that.
And that's, that's what I did. And now going from, you know,

(21:41):
3000 followers to 80,000 followers in four months isn't
because I got lucky. It's because I posted every day
to create that repetition and consistency.
And, and I asked the question because, you know, people think
about it's just about us postingsocial media, but it's actually
about how you live your life. You know, as you said before, if

(22:02):
you have the discipline to post consistently, it goes into other
areas of your life as well. Because as you said before, you
don't wake up in the morning. You go, yeah, this is great.
When you do this here you go wake up like.
Yeah, like posting today, love that conversation I got.
I get a lot of people coming to me when I'm coaching saying
Sarah, I, I lack motivation and I'm like, OK, life isn't about

(22:23):
motivation because if you play life on motivation, motivation
is fleeting and you, you are making decisions based on your
emotions. The key to any growth, whether
it be business, personal, professional is understanding
that self-discipline is key. And if you hold a level of
self-discipline, whatever area in your life that may be,

(22:45):
exercise, food, business, posting on social media, the the
results are inevitable. But if you wait for motivation,
it's fleeting. So always work on
self-discipline, doing the thingwhether you want to do the thing
or not. Yeah.
And that's so powerful. You know, this is something that
I, I relent as well over time. And you know, as as you

(23:09):
mentioned, I was at the train ofthought from a long time ago,
you got to get motivated, this stuff, what is your motivation?
But very quickly, that's This never happens when you wait,
When you wait for motivation, you're going to wait a long,
long time. 100% self-discipline is the key.
Is is the key and shifting a little bit.
What is it like that moment whenyou had that big when your post
just went crazy viral? What is it like for you when you

(23:31):
work for the one to go? Whoa.
Yeah, it was exciting at 1st andthen the nerves started to kick
in. And if if anyone listening
understands the nervous system, it started to actually warp my
nervous system a little bit because I was only used to
posting in front of 3000 people.And then when you get up to 4050

(23:53):
thousand, all of your self doubts come back up.
The inner critic of I'm not goodenough or maybe this is just the
flu called, you know, all of this noise starts to creep in.
So there was about 3 weeks therewhere I was having to do a lot
of somatic practices to just regulate the nervous system.
You don't have 3000 people watching you anymore.

(24:15):
You got 50,000 people and the thing that also people say is
that, you know, they think that when you just get this big
following that life gets easy. And it's actually not it's, it's
can be a lot harder because yourexpectations become higher, the
pressure becomes higher. Having followers really doesn't
mean anything. It's just people perceive that

(24:37):
it means something. You know, you still have to be
able to turn that follower into a fan into a client.
So followers really doesn't meananything.
And that's so true because you know, it's, it's just a number,
right? I, I, I went to this one
training somewhere and someone said, you can have 100,000
people following you who do nothing.

(24:59):
We can have 100 people who do everything.
And he goes, what would you like?
And I was like, yeah, this is sotrue.
Yeah, 100% really doesn't mean anything.
And for those of you who may be listening, who are growing
accounts like oh, don't worry about the following.
Stay consistent and repetitive with your message and who you're
talking to is the key to contentand creation.

(25:21):
Yeah, so, so true. And this, you know, so you're a
keynote speaker. You do some really awesome
things. How does Sarah switch off and
just look after herself? How does she go?
This is my time. Good question.
I get to ask that question all the time.
Switch off for me, I'm getting alot better at it.
In the early days it was a lot more challenging.

(25:42):
Switch off for me is very much nature.
I'm somebody who loves to be around the sea and the ocean and
mountain biking. So anything where I am in nature
off my phone. And the best thing with mum and
dad dying is that I learned the power of presence.

(26:04):
So it comes easy for me to be present because I'm so aware
when I'm not. And so for me, switching off
honestly, like today probably isgoing to happen.
I'll put on my exercise gear andnot take my phone, just walk
around Hagley Park. The blossoms are out.
So I think a lot of the time switching off can be the big
things like getting away. But it's actually about learning

(26:26):
how to switch off in the micro as well, not just in the macro,
and how to get the break when you've got 15 minutes between a
client. How to actually reset when
you've had a big day of keynotesand you've got another one in
the morning. So many people think that
resetting is like, I've got to go and do all of the big things.

(26:46):
A lot of the time it's actually all the little things that add
up. Yeah, that's so true.
And it's it's it's so true in life, you're always searching
for the big holiday or the as you said right at the start,
you're searching and searching. But if you just go, hey, I've
got 10 minutes here, I can just breathe or read a book or look
outside, whatever it is, you've got to do what's right for you
at that point in time without expecting.

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And I like the word expectation.We know we have all these
expectations. And there was a, a training I
did a long time ago where they just said when you have no
expectations, your life changes.And it's so true.
You know when you expect things,you always get disappointed.
That's right, they say expectations lead to
disappointment. Yeah, that's so crazy.

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And a random question. Fishing is one of your gems.
I see you put some really cool things with fishing.
Do you have any favorite spots for you?
Enjoy getting some. Time, oh fisherman never tells
their sports producers. I thought.
My favorite fishing spots typically are up in the
Marlborough Sounds top of New Zealand.

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My dad passed up in the Marlborough Sounds, so it's a
very special place for me being able to go out there and fish,
which is where he taught me to fish.
It's it's like a, you feel at home, You know, that feeling
when you're somewhere and you'relike, I just feel so present and
at home. I I'm not, I'm good at fishing,
but a lot of people, I mean, I'mgood at fishing for the the

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average Joe, but I'm not that great.
Yes, famous last was that I tellyou, I'm going to switch it a
little bit bring to bring Tana in because one of the things
you're spoken about is coming homecoming home and being home
and being present. And Tana, you've you've had a
little journey over the last fewmonths and coming home was a
struggle for you at the start. And as you think about what

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Sarah has said, what does that bring up for?
You. Yeah, I think it really
resonates with me, just the power of coming home.
And I think particularly for me,it was something that I've
always been proud of where I come from.
But I think returning gives you this new refreshed and refined
look at what the purpose is of what you're trying to do.
But also, I think for me, havingmy family here, having friends

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here and having people who can re spark the passion of the
amazing things you do, I think Ialmost probably got to a point
where of very much trying to create things that weren't
necessarily there or I was trying to seek values that, you
know, additional to what I already had.
But coming back home, I now see,you know, going back into my old

(29:19):
high school, seeing old friends,it makes me realize that yes, a
lot has changed in the sense of study and professional
development and all that kind ofstuff.
And that's cool. But fundamentally, I'm still the
same person that I was when I started this journey into
adulthood. So it's really, yeah, it's been
quite exciting to come back withthe refined view of, yeah, what

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it is. I want to get out of life for
sure. Yeah.
And I think it's like, like seriously, for such choices you
make like sometimes you make thechoice of growing, sometimes you
make the choice of being the same.
And we all we all do that there,which is which is crazy.
Sarah, I'm going to go back to your story of being a keynote
speaker. What is it like when you had
your first keynote speak? And I asked this because I

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ruined my first one other day impossible syndrome.
All these crazy this why me to where you are right now?
How's that journey been for you?Yeah, it's, it's been a journey
of evolution, lack of journeys. I didn't set out to be a
speaker. It was my coach actually, who
said to me, Sarah, you've got a real story to tell here.
Have you ever thought about being a speaker?

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And in that moment I was like, OK, maybe this is something that
I could do. It was four years ago on Monday
the 22nd of September that I didmy first keynote and it was my
on my mum's third year anniversary.
The reason I chose to do it on that day was because it was
about me rewriting the narrative, rewriting the story

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of this is the day that the hardest thing in my life has
ever happened. And I'm going to stand up here
and I'm going to speak and I'm going to rewrite that narrative.
And I'm going to even now, it brings a bit of emotion because
it was a really point time in mylife where is that?
This is the hardest day, but it's also a day that I get to

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choose a different pathway and show the world who I am and what
I can do. I've developed a lot from the
first talk. Even my friends who have heard
me speak, they're like, you're such a different speaker to the
first version of Sarah that we saw.
Every talk you do, you build A level of confidence on how to
hold the audience, how to move the energy in the room hard to

(31:30):
shop in an authentic way. So yeah, repetition and
consistency is key, as I said before.
Yeah, that's and and also what I've also noticed is I I could
be just assuming this, but I've noticed that repetition
consistent. Also having intention is
important. Without intention, all the other
stuff, it doesn't have to be intention of growing, but the

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intention of just being present a. 100% and I always put in the
intention before I do any keynote.
You get to a level when you're speaking that things start to
flow a lot easier. You're not having to feel so
scripted. It starts to come become more
natural and when when I was first becoming a speaker, my
only mindset was get on as many stages as you can and speak for

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free, speak in front of anyone. And all of that was just
building the confidence because more people fear death, fear
public speaking then they do death.
So, you know, if you can get good at public speaking, it's a
real, a real tool, a real asset.Yeah, and I'm always going to
love Judy Seinfeld for bringing the quote up.

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It's the best quote ever and I've had it so much time and
it's so, so true. So true.
So, so true. And what is so, you know, again,
repetition can see coming through, coming through, coming
through in this channel here. What has been the hardest, the
hardest point for you when you go, ah, maybe maybe I should
change my mind. Has there been a point where
you've just been this is this isme and I feel this and I asked

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it from the intention of, you know, a lot of us go through
life and things are going well in whatever place.
And there's sometimes a day whenyou go actually, this is not
when we have the the conversation.
Yeah, 100%. The hardest part for me, there's
been many times that I've wantedto throw on the towel.
There's been many times that I've wanted to go back to the

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easy path. One of the things that I always
say to myself is, Sarah, you didn't come this far to come
this far. And if it was easy, everyone
would do it. And think about that in life, if
it was easy, everyone's doing it.
And so taking the hard path willalways have rewards.

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But you've got the valleys and you've got the peaks.
Sometimes we're in the valleys, sometimes we're on the peaks.
And the greatest lesson that I've learned on my business
journey and and personal growth journey is appreciate the highs
and learn from the lows. And that whole mindset of always
being a learner, being somebody who's always got a growth

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mindset, who's always a student.Yeah, that's.
Work, right as always being a student, there's always more and
there's always more to integrate.
The other thing that I pride myself on as a, as a coach is
the embodiment and the integration.
Most people want to work alongside me as a coach or a
speaker because I walk the talk I implemented in my own life.

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I've, I've, I've been able to take the tools and actually be
the living product of the work. And there's so much information
and knowledge and books and podcasts out there, which are
fantastic. But the real ability is to be
able to take the knowledge, the golden nugget and apply it
because knowledge isn't power. The application of knowledge is

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power. Yeah, I love that.
I love that. I love this so much because
again, this is similar to what Iwork with my clients is.
The analogy is is you can read all the books about taking a
press up, but until your press up, do you have another press up
A. 100% and and it's so fundamental because knowledge is
everywhere now we're in the knowledge of just consuming, but

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it won't change your life until you understand, until you do the
press up. Yeah, and and it's so crazy.
And as you said before, the proliferation is so crazy now
because the advent of AI has meant that even our mental
capacity has changed. I don't know if you saw the
study a few months ago where they showed that the use of AA
is decreasing the mental and comfortable ability of people,

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which is quite secure because you have all this information
now, and it's also being disseminated for you and being
disseminated for you where you don't have to think anymore.
So again, I'm thinking about, you know, the space that you
work in, the space that I work in.
And I guess the space of time isworking with young people.
It becomes really important now to actually get people to
realize that knowledge is just knowledge.
It's information, but you've gotto do something with it. 100%

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and, and it's really important when people come through my
programs, you know, they get allexcited because there's so many
new tools and so many new learnings.
And a lot of the time I have to say to them, like all you really
need to do is take one or two things and apply it.
Like if you leave this room or if you leave this program and
just walk out and go, this is good information.

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Nothing will change. The power comes in your ability
to take that one thing. And apply it.
Yeah. And I love that because it's the
one thing, right. You know, a lot of, as you said
before, there's some things out there.
But sometimes when you do like in one of my favorite sayings is
when you do everything, you do nothing 100% or so.
Yeah. So it's really beautiful.

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You emphasize just the one thing, one of the one that 1% or
1.1% is it's, it makes a big change if you do it consistently
and repeatably. As you said, those come together
beautiful. One, one of the things I also
see a lot in in in clients is that they fall off the bandwagon
with repetition and consistency and then they kind of spiral

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down and they're like, oh, I've lost it.
And everyone falls off the bandwagon.
Literally everyone. Everyone breaks the consistency
or the good habit at times in their life.
The difference though, is those who just choose.
There's the word choose again toget back on than staying off.

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Yeah. And again, again, staying up is
a choice, totally is a choice, right?
Making no choice is a choice essentially, right?
Yeah. It definitely is.
Yeah, no, I, I love it. And one of the cool things,
Sarah, as I've noticed is that you've also started to embrace
the travel around. How has that been for you
enjoying travel as now Sarah thespeaker, travelling and getting

(37:46):
calls into different places, that must be a a different shift
for you as people want you to come along to places as opposed
to, you know, at the start you have to hustle all the time.
There was this moment in time like 2 months ago where I sat
back at a hotel and I was like, this is what the version of
three years ago Sarah was only dreaming of.

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In the beginning, I was filling all my own rooms, selling
tickets, bringing that level of stress, being able to turn up to
a location and someone's booked your travel and your hotel and
they've filled the room for you as a real shift.
And I do not take that lightly and I'm very grateful for that.

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It's, it's still very exciting for me where I am in my journey
right now. Sometimes people, you know,
they're like, oh, the travel's hard.
The staying in hotels every week, like I probably can see
that down the track happening. But at the moment when you're
getting put up in a hotel or travelling around, it's all very
exciting. So really just grateful for that
and the opportunities that I've been given over the last few

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years has been amazing. Yeah, I love that because it
goes back to being present. You know, you could you could go
being tiring and all that and itmight be tiring physically, but
in that moment of the presence, this is great.
This is hey, I'm I'm someone's paying me to be here to be in a
hotel. This is amazing.
Yeah, it is. No, very, very, very cool.

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Sarah, are there any other parts, if you like that you'd
like to see that you know, they're not out there publicly
that you can actually, this is acool part of my life that I'd
love to share and maybe we can take take away something from
that. Yeah, there's been.
I mean, I shared the, the, the majority of my story.
I think a part of the journey that I, that I shifted and
haven't really shared a lot is that I've come from a, a long

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line of addiction, a long line of trauma.
And I think in New Zealand, we have a lot of generational
trauma and a lot of people don'tknow how to break those patterns
or how to step out of, of there.And I just think for anyone who
has got past trauma or comes from challenging backgrounds,
wherever that be, is that you have the ability to change that

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you have the ability to break those pathways and you have the
ability to make a difference. And so, you know, all of these
things have happened in my life where I went down the wrong
path, but ultimately they weren't the wrong path.
They were just a learning a lesson.
And it's taken me. Working time to forgive the

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actions of my younger self, whether that be doing too many
drugs, smoking, whatever it may be, is that was evolving me to
the person that I am today. So for anyone who's listening,
who's had a challenging background or maybe face some
trauma or addiction, I just wanted to remind you today like
the power was is within you. I always say to clients, you are

(40:40):
the problem. You are also the solution if you
want to change your life. It starts by turning inwards,
understanding yourself rather than external.
Everyone's looking externally for happiness or externally to
solve the problem. You have the answers within you,
it just requires you to be willing enough to look inwards

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in the mirror because that's where truly the answers lie.
And also the hardest one to do right, The hardest is.
If it was easy, everyone would do it.
Yeah, that that is so, so true. And I think you'd bring that
there because the trauma thing and the trauma piece is so
interesting because a few monthsago I was at a training and the

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status blew my mind where this where the person said that
generational trauma could be up to change in 10 generations.
You know, so sometimes you're experiencing things that you
have no idea why. But as you said just before, the
why or the what or the how comeswhen you step inwards, when you
keep looking outwards, you're not going to understand where

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they comes from or think about where it comes from.
So, you know, if you go, if something happened 10
generations ago, I'm not aware of it, but it's affecting me
today. Unless you are present and you
step inwards, you're never goingto address it.
Yeah. And they say a famous quote by
Steve Jobs, which is you can't connect the dots looking
forward. You can Only Connect the dots
looking backward and you know, breaking generational trauma is

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something that everybody has theability to do if they want to
make that choice. And if they want to not pass
that through their next generation through their kids,
then it is going to require themto look inwards.
The other thing about trauma is that trauma is on a spectrum and
two people can experience the same event.
One person has experienced as trauma and the other not.

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It's how our nervous system perceived it at the time.
So it could be something like myexperience having an alcoholic
father and him dying and quite traumatic as we would perceive
as trauma. Or it could be simply a comment
made by a teacher in a classroomthat you at that time perceived
it. So a lot of people are thinking

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that trauma has to be these big things.
Trauma often isn't the big things, it's the small things
compounding, whether that be a comment here or bullying here.
Like it is so far and wide of a spectrum.
So I just wanted to to preface that today, trauma doesn't have
to be the big things. Yeah, what a what a knowledge
form right there. We could a knowledge form

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because it's what you said. It's the it's the state of your
nervous system whenever that episode happens, right?
And you forget about that. Yeah.
And we're often young, so we're,you know, the way we perceived
it in that moment. And we're from when we were
born, we've always been programmed.
Programmed by our society, by our parents, by where we grew

(43:37):
up, by our schooling. We have always been programmed.
And so, yeah, part of the work Ido is actually starting to look
at your current programming and ask yourself what?
What is it that I want to take forward with me and what is it
that I want to leave behind? Kind of for me, it's like
unpacking the bags and then going, I've got to let that go.
I've got to let that go. I've got to let that go.

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And these qualities, these traits, these things I love, I'm
going to take those forward. Yeah.
And I guess that the hardest part is actually realizing you
have a bag to carry that you carry in a bag.
That's the first step, right? Yeah, everyone's got a pack.
Yeah, everyone's got a pack. And it's such a great analogy
that that when you understand the analogy and what it actually
means, it becomes so. Powerful.

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Yeah, 100%. Yeah, it's, it's this work and
the personal development and, and turning inwards and doing
this work. As I said, if it was easy,
everyone would do it. It's easier to choose the
alcohol or the drugs or the suppressant or the projecting it
onto your partner. That's actually the easy part.
The hard part is looking in the mirror.

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And when you start to look in the mirror, though, that is
where the answers lie. And that's really what has
happened in my life is that I had these big events happened
and it forced me in a way to look in the mirror.
I can either choose that path orI can choose that path.
Whereas sometimes in people's lives it's not as obvious and

(45:02):
it's not so, so abrupt like it has been within my world.
Yeah, and it and it's I loved itbecause one of the hardest
things I've had to do was when Idid shadow work and Cheryl
Kettle really just exposes you, exposes you act so totally.
And you're like, wow, this is this is me from the other other

(45:22):
side of me. But it's actually me.
You are you are that person. And as you said before, if you
don't step into that or choose not to step into it, it doesn't
mean disappears. It's still there.
Oh. Yeah, 100%.
And the work is never done. I mean, I may be sitting here
saying these things that I've learned through my journey.
As I said before the I am still in the student seat learning

(45:45):
about myself, peeling back the layers.
I still work through anger, frustration, I still have daily
negative spirals, I still overthink at times.
The difference being is that thetoolkit that I've created has
has really helped me shift my life.
I think a lot of people think that coaches or people that they

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look up to don't have life's challenges or struggles, which
just isn't true at all. I'm constantly doing the work
too. I'm constantly applying the
tools and it's really important that people know that the work
is never really over. Yes, there is and we're and
we're humans, right? Humans are humans doesn't
matter, you know, and this is where it comes.

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Even coaches of coaches, even coaches of mentors, because you
need, as I said before, you needsomeone to question your blind
spots, see your blind spots. And it's really thinking another
another thing I have with my clients is it's in what you
don't see that the most power happens.
And This is why you need someoneto help you see there.
And they always say in this world as well, never hire a

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coach who doesn't have a coach. That's right.
Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
This is so, so true. Tony.
Tony, any questions for Sarah? It's a question for Sarah, but
probably more broadly to you too, PJ, It's just around the
coaching space. How do you navigate it in terms
of being authentically you? But also, you know, we've talked

(47:07):
about how there's more and more tools and systems that we can
use in that coaching space. How do you find that balance
between yeah, keeping it real sothat it connects to you and you
have some experience in it, but also utilizing some of these new
tools and ideas that people are sparking across the world.
I'll. Let you go first.
Thanks. Sarah Great, great, great, great

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question. Antony And I think, I think that
the key with they said is authentic.
I think as a coach I've just gotauthentically, each session I
come into has got to be me beingauthentic with the person I'm
working with and with my tools tool kit.
I'm not just going to dish out atool kit that I haven't tried
before or is not right for the clients.
You know, so I have tons and tons of different kinds of

(47:50):
tools, but it doesn't mean it's,it's an analogy, like just
because you have a hammer, don'tuse a hammer.
You know, you might need to use a dust cloth at that point in
time. So, you know, and The thing is,
if I have a client who's chasinga tool, that's not the correct
client for me because they're just coming for a tool, They're
not actually coming for themselves.
Because as much as we've got to be authenticating, the clients

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also got to be authentic. And there's two kinds of clients
that I work with. Siri might also see this as
well. There's those that come because
they want to come, and then those that come because they've
been told to come. And when you have that, there's
a big shift until you get the wants to come.
It's great. They have to come.
You've got to shift them to I want to come.
If they don't shift from I have to want them.

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It's not it's never going to work.
It's never going to work for them.
So that's why we work in that space there.
But I'd love to hear what's what's 0 thinks about that as
well. Couldn't agree more.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
The clients get the best resultsin any program or with any coach
are one, the clients who invest in themselves, the clients who
want to do the work and they want to change.

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Because when you've got that level of that want and that
desire, you can help them so much.
For me, authenticity is is one of my strongest values.
It's really hard to be someone you're not.
So for me, most of my clients come to me based on that because

(49:17):
one, they either resonate with my approach, my story, or they
just like the fact that I just say it how it is and I am just
authentically me. You know, one of the things I
started the business on was I was started in the grief space
and I realized really quickly that I wasn't good at it.

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Why? Because what I'm good at is
helping someone go from where they are to where they want to
be. When you're in the grief, you
don't want to take someone from where they're out of it because
there's a natural level of cocooning somebody and allowing
them to process that grief. And so authenticity for me is as
a, as a beautiful word and a bigword that I use in the work in

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life. I feel like one of the purpose
of life is just to be who you are.
Stop trying to be something you're not.
Show up as you are and honestly life just gets so much lighter
and easier. 100% and you know, and I think this is this is just
in any aspect in life when you're just your true self, you

(50:23):
can just enjoy life because otherwise when and I read and I
read somewhere when you lie to someone else, you're actually
lying to yourself 1st and the damage in there is going to be
so crazy. So whenever you pretend to be
someone else, when you're the damage you're doing to yourself
is is so hard and you've got to go back into their work and get
into their work and who are who are you really?

(50:44):
Yeah, I love it. Yeah.
Any other questions, Tony? Because that was a fantastic
question that that threw throughourselves, which is great.
Sarah, I, I, I want to reflect back to that point when we were
at coffee culture and Rick and Maryville all those years ago.
And it's really so awesome for me to see where you've gone from

(51:05):
there to here. And, you know, I still remember
when you, when we were there having that coffee or that
conversation that day, you were about to do one of your, you
were going to school and do somepretty cool things.
And as you think about your own journey, I'd love for you to let
us know how you feel about your growth.
You know when you it's always great for other people to
celebrate your success, but haveyou ever spent time celebrating

(51:27):
your own success to go, hey, this is really cool what I've
done in my life. Yeah, great question.
When you're growing, you often don't know you're growing.
And I have a very intentional practice of reflecting and
seeing how far I come. Like I shared with you before
when I was sitting in that lobbyof the hotel thinking to my,
this was the, this is what the version of me three years ago

(51:51):
was dreaming of. And so one of the things that I
instill in my clients is celebrating the wins.
And I know that you'll probably do this as well, is that in
life, we are so quick to go, well, I'm not there yet.
I, I haven't got hit that goal. I'm not there and we completely
miss how far we've come and the journey that we've been on.

(52:14):
And this is a great book for either of you or anyone
listening. It's been my favorite personal
development book this year. It's called The Gap in the Game
by a man named Dan Sullivan, andhe talks about the gap mindset.
And the gap mindset is between where you currently are and
where you want to be. And I'm not there yet.
I don't. If I just got to there, then

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I'll be happy if I'm I'm in the gap.
So it's where you are to where you want to be, The key to life
and really transitioning that mindset is focusing on the gain.
Look at how far I've come. Wow, isn't it amazing how much
I've grown, how much I've I've changed since that version of
myself seven years ago or even 2weeks ago?

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Most people live in a gap mindset.
I'm not there. I need more money, I need this,
I need that. And then wondering why they're
feeling the way they are dissatisfied with life, unhappy,
stuck when we're in a gain mentality of wow, look at how
much I've gained. Look at how much I've gained
from both my parents dying. Now that for a lot of people

(53:17):
will go, how do you think like that?
Well, it's like, well, I've gained a business, I've gained
so many tools, I've gained opportunities.
I've gained all of these beautiful things in my life from
the hardest times of my life. And yeah, so that's, that's
really something that I I focus on is being in the gain rather

(53:38):
than in the gap. How powerful is that?
That is so powerful in so many ways.
You know, as you said before, wealways, we're always chasing.
We're always chasing. But when you stop and look back,
where have I, what have I done? You know, and it doesn't have to
be like I said, it doesn't have to be 7 years ago.
It can be two weeks. It won't be yesterday.
I didn't go for a run today. I went for a run today.
Wow, what again? I didn't have fruits that have

(53:59):
fruits today. It can just be the small micro
things you know which which add up as you said if you keep doing
it over and over again and then celebrate them.
Yeah, it's massive and and it's the the small micro, as you
said, that that creates the shifts.
Yeah, too many people are chasing the carrot in life and
then wondering why they're miserable.
Enjoy the journey. Can I tell you a funny story?

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I, one of the tools I use with my clients, which they find the
hardest is I tell them to, to deal with three wins of the day
at, at, at at night. And they can't be the same every
day. And they're like, oh, because
it's so easy to go. I was like, and when it comes to
day five, they really, that's when they shift because it's not
normal, just about the same things.

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But it takes 5 or 6 days for them, a lot of them to stop on
day three because it goes too hard.
But those that push on to actually, let's just celebrate
those wins what they're actuallyis because we never do that.
They're right. We give a stop and go and an
actual, we're not just like, oh,I, I'm spying so well, that's a
win, but an actual reflection, intentional win.

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So I love the fact that since the game mentality is really,
really, really powerful. Yeah, it's massive.
And it's all about that, focusing on on what you do have
rather than what you don't have in life.
Yeah, and, and we do have you onthe on the podcast, which is why
we're celebrating today, which is great.
So good to be here. Hopefully I've shared a few
golden Nuggets today and that someone's been able to resonate

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with something that I've shared.Yeah, it's, it's, it's been a, a
great conversation. If you share some amazing,
amazing color Nuggets today, butin like we've been speaking for
an hour or so and I know time is, I mean, you can share so
much and keep talking for hours and hours, but the interest of
time. We're going to ask your final
question for the podcast. Our podcast is called Basks of

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Knowledge and every episode we ask our guests to share a piece
of knowledge to put into a basket.
So as you said, you've you've shared so much knowledge, but is
there one particular piece of knowledge that our list of
myself and time would go, Oh, this is really powerful from any
aspect of your life? Which one to choose?
Is the, is the, the one that I'mgoing to add to your basket

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today and hopefully to everyone's, because it is
fundamentally the tool, the the,the knowledge that changed my
life and it's what I shared before.
What you're not changing, you'reultimately choosing your choice
is the most powerful tool that you have in life.
And different choices lead to different outcomes.

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So if you want a different outcome, it starts by making a
different choice. My drop right there, love it,
and I love we came back to them because that's so powerful,
because it's something we do every single day.
And now it's really beautiful. Tan, any last words from you?
Just as always, just a mess of thank you, Sarah, for sharing

(56:53):
your story, sharing how you know, you've obviously gone
through grief, but how you've changed that mindset, changed
that into a powerful statement for you and what you're doing
now. So it's been awesome to hear
about. Like, it's just a snippet of
your journey and it's yeah, timeflying by.
So it's been really awesome to hear.
Thank you for being here. I appreciate the work that you
do. Sarah, thank you for making the

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choice for being on this podcasthere.
It's, it's really, really great seeing you, but also hearing
your story from a different capacity.
You know, I know you as as a person, but sharing your story
and sharing your story with our community and also with those
that are listeners podcast is really, really beautiful.
So thank you for your time. Thank you for your knowledge,
but also thank you for being authentic to yourself as you've
chosen to Share your story today.
That's a privilege. Thank you, promise.

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And if people want to follow youor get connected with you, how
do they do that? They let us know.
We'll put them in the show notesas well.
So if you want to follow me, my Instagram handle is Spring with
Sarah. That's really where I hang out.
Come, come and join me on that journey.
Where is where I would suggest. Yes, it's a pretty it's a pretty
great place. It's valuable body.
It's a fantastic place. And we'll put your your handle

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in the show notes as well. So we can just click on that.
If they if they can't find you, follow This is out there.
Hopefully you you have learned something today.
You've had a good listen. If you haven't had a good
listen, it's because you've fallen asleep.
So wake up again and go back andlisten again.
And because there's so much knowledge in today's podcast.
Till next time, don't forget to keep smiling.

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Don't forget to find a reason toput something to your knowledge
of basket. And also, like Sarah said, don't
forget to think about the choices that you're making every
single day. Till next time, talk your day.
Bye everybody, Peace. Thank you for listening to Pass
it to Knowledge. Yeah, we hope that you found

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something useful to put into your bust of knowledge.
And as we said before, remember to put something little into
your busts of knowledge every week.
And as always, feel free to like, comment and share this
podcast. Thanks, everybody.
Bye.