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John Gregory, CEO of the National Center for Urban Solutions our esteemed guest, shifted his sights from corporate ambitions to the heart of urban revival. He and Kenny Hampton, President of the African American Wellness Agency, share how the center's initiatives, including the groundbreaking African American Wellness Walk, have become pillars of hope and practical change. Our guest inform the audience the narrative behind the National Center for Urban Solutions and its relentless drive to uplift communities from economic hardship. T
As the conversation deepens, we traverse the life-affirming paths of the African-American Wellness Walk, casting light on its evolution into Black Men's Wellness Day. Kenny Hampton walks us through the event's origin, rooted in the spirit of brotherhood, and its blossoming into a national movement dedicated to dismantling health inequities. The day's far-reaching impact is felt through fatherhood programs, financial advice, and mental health resources, underlining the pivotal role community networks play. This tapestry of support, interwoven with free services and trust, is an emblem of the transformation we're witnessing.
Our conversation centers around mentorship and personal development as linchpins for community enrichment, echoing our mantra, "We do what we say we do." The episode culminates in a contemplation of legacy and the imperative to act, to be the living embodiment of service, motivated by spirit rather than wealth. This powerful dialogue is a tribute to those who have paved our way and a rally cry for listeners to forge their own legacies of integrity and leadership.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So from that point on I saw my mission is to engage
myself in the community and givepeople an opportunity for hope,
and so one of the things that Irecognized was that one of the
ills of the black community waswelfare and free housing.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Welcome to Be A Baller podcast.
We discuss how to build a lifeon legacy.
I'm your host, coach Tim Brown.
Today we'll be talking aboutbuilding a legacy and serving
the community with our specialguest, community leader and
visionary, john Gregory.
Also joining us on the show isKenny Hampton, who's president
of the African American WellnessAgency.
(00:42):
Today on the show, john willshare his commitment to helping
raise awareness of AfricanAmerican men, physically and
mental health.
He is the founder of theAfrican American Wellness Walk
hosted in cities all over thecountry.
Brother Gregory, welcome to theshow.
Hey, it's a pleasure to be inhere.
Yeah, I've been waiting on thisa long time.
I've been following you andwatching all the great things
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you guys are doing and it's justa joy for me to have you to be
a part of this.
You know, john, as we thinkabout this, can you talk about
your childhood and your heart toserve the community?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Huh, the childhood part is interesting.
I grew up in a town calledXeniais, where I was probably
one of very few AfricanAmericans that lived in the city
.
But my father taught at CentralState University, and so I grew
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up with a desire to go tocollege, go to law school, be an
lawyer and be a corporate guyand make money and just have a
good time.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah make money and have a good time.
So from that experience youknow, with your dad being a
professor at Central State, whatdid that?
I'm sure that inspired you togo to college.
You know I want to besuccessful, but what is it you
saw your dad doing or things yousaw in the community that
wanted you to get involved incommunity service?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Well, when I was in high school.
I've always had a desire to bean example and be a leader in
the community.
So when I was in high school Iused to run a program with the
police department called apolice program, where we used to
take the kids younger kids andtake them bowling.
I worked at the YMC as a Ycounselor.
(02:31):
I worked in the summertime as asummer counselor, so I always
was engaged in the community tobe a service, to be a positive
influence into the community,particularly for black boys.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
You shared.
Kim, can you talk about thatmoment that inspired you to get
involved in improving thecommunity?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Well, I was working in corporate America in
Cincinnati, ohio, and I was inmy office and I was watching
this TV program and they weredoing it especially at that time
is that crack cocaine wasreally huge and they were
showing these crack cocainedealers that were hanging out in
the corner.
And I prayed and I said, god,if there were churches on every
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corner, there wouldn't be a needfor crack cocaine dealers on
the corner.
And then I tell people at thetime don't pray this prayer.
I said, well, god, use me.
I don't want to be used in acapacity that I could help make
a change.
And then what happened was myjob gave me an opportunity to be
promoted to another place and Iwas like, eh, I don't think I'm
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gonna do that.
So then what I did was Idecided to, I had an opportunity
to leave that job and I quitthe job and started another
business and that's how I gotstarted in the community.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
You know, in 1993, you founded the National Center
of Urban Solutions and it's beenserving the community since
then.
Part of that was movingindividuals more than negative
impacts of urban poverty, thesocial, economic,
self-sufficient.
Can you talk about the visionbehind the National Center for
Urban Solutions?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Well, you know, I was going to meetings and all I
ever heard about was problemsand problems.
And you know I didn't reallyknow Christ.
But when I was going to theOhio State University I remember
walking across the campus andsaying to God that if there was
a God up there, I wanted to meethim.
(04:36):
And God introduced this up tome.
So from that point on I saw mymission is to engage myself in
the community and give people anopportunity for hope.
And so one of the things that Irecognized was that one of the
ills of the black community waswelfare and free housing and
that kind of stuff.
(04:56):
And we were on getting publicassistance, a system that really
was designed to keep us in amental state of dependence on a
system that really didn't care.
So I was saying, hey look, whydon't these people go to work?
I own the security company wewere doing security
investigation we were working inthese communities, called Uzi
(05:18):
Alley, and God revealed to me hesaid these people don't need
police, they need a job and theyneed employment.
So I set out to get women offof public assistance and so they
can go get a job and take careof themselves.
And after doing that did thatwork in this community for about
a year and we reduced crimeabout 80% and gotten about
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30,000 women off of publicassistance.
And so to me it was reallyabout providing solutions in the
communities, not focusing onwhat the problems were.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Wow, and along those same lines, you've been quite
the visionary.
You started out with workforcedevelopment.
You've opened up schools andAfrican-American wellness walk
and many other initiatives.
What is the driving forcebehind all these initiatives?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I really believe that I probably could never be a
good pastor.
So I really believe this is mycalling from God, and what I
tell people all the time is thatI prayed this when I became a
Christian.
I said, God, I want to do.
There was a book I read by TomSkinner and he said that if you
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ever find yourself doing God'swork, it will be working in the
community.
And so I always prayed untilGod, I really want to do your
work and I want to do it in thecommunity.
So my inspiration comes from mycalling from Christ.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
You know the word out there that you're known as a
solutions man.
Where'd that come from?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
That came because once we were in this community
called Uzi Alley and we wereable to reduce crime 80% and get
$40 million investment in thatcommunity, then people started
calling me from all overdifferent kind of cities to come
in and work with theircommunity leaders, work with
different organizations.
We worked with gang guys whowere supposed to be in gangs,
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who had turned their livesaround, went back to got a high
school diploma, got employment,helped them start companies or a
corporation's call and asked usto help them identify and get a
workforce.
So through all that, whereverthere was a problem and our
motto is that if you got aproblem, we got a solution- hey
(07:29):
there Clark Kellogg here.
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Speaker 2 (08:10):
And you have provided a solution.
Yeah, you definitely are thesolution, man.
Let's talk about theAfrican-American health and
wellness walk.
I know that's a big concern foryou.
How did the walk begin?
Did it start with thousands ofpeople knocking on your door and
saying, hey, I want to be apart of this.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
No, actually it was a workforce program.
I was trying to figure out whyBlack Boys wasn't going to work
and I said are they lazy?
Is there mentally somethinggoing on or are they unhealthy?
And so what I did was I wentand partnered with the doctor
and Riverside Hospital and saidI'm going to give these guys,
guaranteed them, a job.
And part of them getting theirjob was that they had to get a
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checkup when they pick up theirpaycheck.
And after doing this for about120 days, what we found out was
these guys from 18 to 30, 90% ofthem had high blood pressure,
they had high cholesterol, theyhad high glucose numbers and
three or four of them had heartailments that they had to go to
the hospital immediately.
(09:10):
So from that somebody asked me.
They said hey, black men dieway longer, sooner than other
men.
What are you going to do aboutit?
And I was like I don't know whyyou're asking me.
I was like what we knew wasthat men weren't going to go to
workshops.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
They weren't going to go to seminars.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
They weren't going to do none of that.
I said, I know what I do, I'lljust do something that's
competitive.
So I looked to see where therewere walks.
They were health walks, Cause Ilook.
I said what do white people do?
And I was like well they do thebreast cancer, they do liver
walks, they do.
They do walks for food cats.
I was like we need to do a walkfor health, and so I just
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called up a bunch of guys andsaid hey look, I got the amount.
All of the Baptist churcheswalking.
Are they gonna send 50 brothers?
New Salem's gonna send 50brothers?
I really hadn't talked to anyof them, right, and so the first
walk 700 men showed up to dothe walk and after we had did it
for two years, we said let'sput some health screens to this.
And from that point on it justgrew.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Just grew, kenny, let's bring you in on this
conversation.
You're president ofAfrican-American Wellness Walk.
Can you talk about the growthof some of the cities that you
guys are growing to and how thatcame about?
Are cities receptive to it oris there a pushback?
How is that working?
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Yeah well, it's definitely a pleasure and an
honor to even be in a spacewhere I can lead this national
organization into these markets,but we haven't gone into a city
that we weren't invited into.
The African-American Wellness5K Walk and Run, which is now
known as the Black Men'sWellness Day.
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It has been something thatindividuals have either
participated or they saw it fromafar and said wait a minute,
you talk about being asolutionist.
This is the answer.
This is the solution to someproblems back in our home, our
city, right, and so we've beenable to organically expand into
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these new markets, such asLouisville, Kentucky, or Memphis
, Tennessee, or Detroit,Michigan those types of places,
Los Angeles, California becausesomeone has identified an
opportunity to bring thisimpactful event to their city.
Because we are, yes, we'rechanging lives, but ultimately
we're saving lives One freehealth screening at a time, and
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that's what makes theAfrican-American Wellness Agency
and that event that we do,that's what makes it so
impactful and unique in thosecommunities.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
One thing that I've noticed that this is more than a
walk.
It is, it's more than a walk.
You guys not only do the walk.
There's a fatherhood, there's ato it, there's a financial
health you guide us.
There's a mental wellness.
It's our problem too.
And then you add a women'spiece as well.
(12:05):
Uplift her.
What?
How does all that work together?
Why is that so important?
For just not a one-time deal inAugust, right?
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Well, the African-American Wellness event
that we have, that walk is justthe introduction, it's just a
hello.
We unapologetically,holistically, support
African-American men and theirfamilies.
Our event is the most funyou'll ever have at a doctor's
appointment, is what we saybecause, you're able to bring
the entire family.
There's something for the kids,there's something for seniors,
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there's things going on, there'slive entertainment, but it's an
opportunity for us to engagewith the community and let them
know about other things thatwe're doing.
So, for example, our fatherhoodprogram is really making an
impact in the community becausewe understand that 79% of
African-American kids are notkindergarten ready and we are
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working closely with our fathersin the community, helping them
spend more time with theirchildren.
But we're also doing it inpartnership with the child care
centers, because we understandthat that's a critical season of
that child's life and we'redoing it so that we can get them
prepared to be successfulwithin their academics right,
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and so we're able to do thingslike proud dad cook out every
year, where we bring hundreds ofdads together and we also do a
cooking with dad, where we bringdads together and they're able
to learn nutritional, freenutritional meals.
Everything that we do is freeto the community because of the
partnerships that we have andsupport that we have from
organizations that arepassionate about this equity
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work that we're doing andthey're not just talking about
it.
They're really engaging with usand joining us in this mission.
We're able to do things such as,like you said, that you got
this, that's a research projectthat we're doing right now in
partnership with organizationssuch as, you know, the American
Diabetes Associations or AbbottLabs, where we're bringing the
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Continuous Glucose Monitor,which is helping individuals
live with diabetes in ourcommunity.
We're helping them monitortheir diabetes and manage it
with the use of technology,which is one of the issues that
our community is facing rightnow, where not many
African-Americans have access totechnology, and so our
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organization pride ourselves onstanding in the gap in between
the African-American communityand organizations that are
trying to get a product orinformation into our community,
and because of our grassrootsengagement, our door-to-door
approach and the trust that wehave with the community, we're
able to make that impacttogether.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
John, can you talk about this?
I've been really curious aboutthis.
Uplift her.
I know your wife is very muchinvolved with the organization.
Can you talk about that?
Uplift her.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, we holistically want to impact the family and
we had come up to this idea todo a week-long program and we
were like, well, let's makeThursday a day that we screen
women.
So we partnered with Ohio StateUniversity's PIN program and we
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went to them and said, okay, wewant to screen women.
And out of nowhere they said,well, okay, what are we gonna
call this?
I said, well, let's call ituplift her.
It's men, uplifting women forthe purpose of black women are
four more times likely to die ofheart disease, three times more
likely to die of breast cancer,even though the instances of
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breast cancer has been death hasbeen reduced.
And then black women are fourtimes more likely to die from
maternal issues.
So we were like you know what'sthe reality?
Is that a male equity gap?
But there's also a female.
And so this is our attempt toreach black women so that they
and it's not black women, it'swomen of color so it's our
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attempt to reach out to thosewomen so they can have a longer
living life.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You know, as our conversation continues, I hear a
lot about partnerships, youknow, and how are you guys been
able to bring all these partnersto the table, where they, all
you know, do their part, so tospeak?
You know, that's probably oneof our biggest things in our
community is people workingtogether, right?
So how do you guys have beenblessed to bring all these
partners, how are you guys ableto do that?
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Well, there's a lot of organizations looking to go
into the African-Americancommunity.
Unfortunately, there's just notenough vehicles for them to
drive what they're trying todrive into our community.
And that's where ourorganization we pride ourselves
on being in the community.
We bring the clinic to thecommunity.
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We understand that if we'rereally trying to extend the life
expectancy of African-Americanmen and also their family, we're
not just gonna, we're not justgonna volunteer to go to the
doctor.
You and I can relate to thatright.
Sometimes it takes a tragicevent for us to even wanna
entertain what's going on withour bodies.
We know more about what's goingon inside of our vehicles than
what's going on inside of ourbodies, and we're trying to help
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change that paradigm.
And so the partnerships that wehave with organizations that are
trying to go into the communityit's very important and it's
critical and the way that theyfind themselves partnering with
us, because they see the success, they see the results Mr
Gregory is big on their ownresults so as we're providing
these solutions, we hit ournumbers.
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And so there's some outcomesthat our partnerships are able
to yield, such as being able tothe campaign that we have going
on right now with the my HealthCan't Wait.
With Johnson and Johnson, youknow, we're on path to impacting
more than 5 million people,over 5 million African-Americans
, over the next five years.
But we're doing it with ourSave the Black Men's Lives tour
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that we're doing, where we'rewalking in 16 plus cities, in 23
and also in 24.
And organizations are able toextend the reach of what they're
trying to convey to ourcommunity, and then also we're
able to help them with theirmessaging too, so that they're
putting out information that isactually gonna make an impact
and we're gonna receive it, sothat we can ultimately learn
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what's going on, so we canextend our life expectancy.
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Speaker 1 (19:17):
And now what's going to add to that is that I think
that because we do this, becausewe believe this is what God has
called us to do, we reallybelieve.
That's the attraction.
People see that we're not doingthis to make money, we're not
doing this to lift our names up,and we make sure that everybody
we work with we have an equalbuy-in to what we're doing.
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And I think that makes itreally receptive for different
organizations apart from one ofus, because they know that
whatever success we get, theyget to share into that success.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
That share of success .
You know, I was reading thatyour organization has a model.
We do what we say we do.
We do what we say we do.
I've been doing research on you, Dad.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
You've been doing a lot.
Oh yeah, yeah.
I'm like where did he get allthis information?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
from.
You do what you say you do.
I've been talking to somepeople now.
Can you tell us what does thatmean to you?
What does that mean to you?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
You know, it was really important to me and I
really appreciate Kenny comingto work with us.
It's kind of like if you knowthe story of Jonathan and David
in the Bible, jonathan was 30years older than David, so we
got some real balance there.
And so what Kenny wouldprobably say is that I'm really
big on if we say we work withat-risk kids.
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That's what we do.
We work with at-risk kids.
We don't throw them away.
Our schools.
We take kids who have droppedout of high school, we bring
them back and no matter whatthey say to us some days they
may not say nice stuff to youand we hug them and say, hey,
you're gonna try this againtomorrow.
So our motto is is that we saywe knock on your doors, we go
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into communities.
Then we go into the communitiesand that is really.
I mean, I'm just saying we'regonna do.
When people come to work withme, I go like, hey, we're gonna
do what we say we do.
We're not gonna just collectthe check and not go out in the
community.
I mean, what do you think, kim?
Speaker 6 (21:11):
No, it's fine.
The reason why I laugh when yousaid that and you asked that
question is because one of ourstaff members actually has like
the seven principles of JohnGregor.
I think it's actually calledseven commandments of John.
Gregor and one of them isactually do what you say you're
gonna do right, and that is soimportant because that's one of
the lessons that I learned, andhe touched on the idea of how
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Jonathan and David had thatamazing relationship.
Well, mentoring is one of ourinitiatives as well and where we
are working with, you know,address kids and young men and
trying to just really build themup, but mentoring is something
that actually is happening atour level as well.
So I'm able to get some amazingadvice from Mr Gregory, and he
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is.
He'll tell you what you need tohear, but not what you want to
hear, and he will encourage you,because it's your choice, but
he'll encourage you to mature inthe space of being accountable
and delivering results, and sohim pushing that message of do
what you say you're gonna doreally helps us as men, be men
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of our word and being able toproduce results, because, at the
end of the day, that's whatmatters.
These organizations, thesepartnerships we're talking about
, they don't care anything aboutall this fluff.
They want results, they wantimpact and they want numbers,
and that's what we're providing.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
No other questions.
Didn't you find out about it?
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
If you want me to tell you, I can tell you.
There's six rules.
Man, you want to know?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
about that.
How did you get those?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
No, no, no.
Don't worry about all that Badman.
Don't worry about all that,Don't worry about all that, I
guess.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
so I got people.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
You got some sources for sure.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
You know, as we talk about the word legacy, this is a
legacy broadcast.
What does the word legacy meanto you, brother John, and how
are you building a lifelonglegacy?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
You know, that's a really interesting question
because I just, probably thisyear, connected with the word
legacy.
I ain't never really thoughtabout this.
I mean, my legacy is.
The Bible says where your heartis, that's where your charges
are.
So I've always thought in termsof I'm just trying to get to
the kingdom of God.
But you know, when you get olderand you become the old people
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that you used to talk about, yourealize that your days are
numbered and you think in termsof okay, when I leave this
universe, what will I havecontributed for the power of
change and people's lives andtheir mind?
And so what legacy says to me isthat I know, as a young man,
that I know the person you'retalking about now who went to
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Africa, karen Grooms, herdaughter.
I saw her daughter and herdaughter came up to me and she
said Mr Gregory, you rememberwhen we was little kids and used
to make us tell us, say we werewinners?
She says I teach my little sonthat he's a winner.
And I said and then when hegrows up he will tell his kids
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you're a winner.
And so that to me is legacy isthat when I'm gone, it won't be
the things that I had, which Idon't really have a lot, but
what will be is that people waslives have changed and people's
perspective of who they are haschanged and people became
self-sufficient and they wereable to provide for themselves,
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and that will have changed thatwhole generation of people.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
That's good, you can grooms.
That's serious and that's adaughter.
Yep, as we wrap up, if you comearound the corner there can
each of you issue a challenge tothe community, the importance
of being involved in thiscommunity work.
You know a lot of peoplewatching.
You know can you challengepersons, that challenge to get
involved, how important that isand the need.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Yeah, absolutely.
The challenge that I would liketo throw out to the community in
terms of getting involved isthere's too many people standing
on the sideline with a lot ofopinions and a lot of
suggestions, but there's justnot enough action, there's not
enough willingness to just getinto the work and just do the
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work, and so that's one of thelessons that I've learned over
the last couple of years workingwith Mr Gregory is that the
community wins when we actuallyengage and we activate.
The talking is not gonna get itdone, and there's lots of
conversations in the barbershopsand in the churches, everywhere
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we go.
Someone has an opinion and hasa great idea that can really
change our community, but whatare we doing?
And at the end of the day, it'sgoing to come down to actually
doing the work, and I wannachallenge everyone to be real
with yourself and ask yourselfare you really assisting in this
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I would say mission to reallychange our community, or are you
just on the sideline talking?
And if you're not in the game,I invite you to come and join us
in the game.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I would say this, and I'm just saying this yesterday
to my own kids somebody died sothat you can have a right to get
an education.
If somebody dies, you can drivethat nice car.
Somebody died so that you canlive in a nice house.
Somebody died so you can go towork and get that check.
And you think in terms of howthose people sacrifice their
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hairy tubman, how she sacrificedher life to make sure that we
have an opportunity to havefreedom.
You think in terms of MartinLuther King or Malcolm X or Meg
Evers.
Those people gave their livesso that we could sit and have a
meal in a restaurant and nothave to go to the back door.
And so I'm asking myself, oryou should ask yourself, what
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are you doing to make sure thatthe next generation of people
have an opportunity to be whothey are gonna be?
And so if somebody died for meand Christ died for us, then how
much more should I give my lifeto make sure that I'm a servant
of the people?
So my challenge is that all thestuff that you wanna get, the
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riches and stuff I telleverybody in one of those last
principles is chase spirit, notmoney.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Let the church say amen.
Everybody's a little past theplate.
You took us to the cross, soyou ain't no preacher, but you
took us to the cross.
But I wanna thank you for beinga part of the show and I wanna
thank you for answering thatcall.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
But I wanna thank you too, cause you've been around
for a long time.
I can't see you, so I don'tknow if you still look as good
as you.
You're still here, brotherYou're sharp, but you was always
and the thing I really likedabout you and I never said this
to you, but I wanted to tell youthis.
I so appreciated you.
You challenged me to step upand hold.
(28:02):
That's why I say do what yousay you do.
I always saw you do exactlywhat you said you was gonna do
and you never wavered and youdid what the Bible says that
you're yay, be nay and whateverthat scripture is and you've
done that, and so I stillappreciate you being an example.
So you was an example to me,and every time you came around I
(28:24):
always get nervous.
I was like, all right, goddon't want him to see me doing
that wrong.
So I appreciate you and thankyou, thank you, I appreciate
that this brings to the end ofthis episode.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Thanks to our special guest, our brother John Gregory
, and Kenny Hampton for sharingtheir passion for helping man,
women, just the community,uplifting the community.
I love your story about gettingwomen from sectioned in.
Whatever the work, the work andyou can see the impact of that.
So but thank you all forjoining us doing this
enlightening and informativediscussion on building a legacy
(28:57):
in service to the community.
Hope this episode wasbeneficial to you.
As always.
Thanks for listening to Be ABaller Podcast.
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This podcast was created bycoach Tim Brown.
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School.
So from that point on I saw my mission is to engage
myself in the community and givepeople an opportunity for hope,
and so one of the things that Irecognized was that one of the
ills of the black community waswelfare and free housing.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Welcome to Be A Baller podcast.
We discuss how to build a lifeon legacy.
I'm your host, coach Tim Brown.
Today we'll be talking aboutbuilding a legacy and serving
the community with our specialguest, community leader and
visionary, john Gregory.
Also joining us on the show isKenny Hampton, who's president
of the African American WellnessAgency.
(00:42):
Today on the show, john willshare his commitment to helping
raise awareness of AfricanAmerican men, physically and
mental health.
He is the founder of theAfrican American Wellness Walk
hosted in cities all over thecountry.
Brother Gregory, welcome to theshow.
Hey, it's a pleasure to be inhere.
Yeah, I've been waiting on thisa long time.
I've been following you andwatching all the great things
(01:02):
you guys are doing and it's justa joy for me to have you to be
a part of this.
You know, john, as we thinkabout this, can you talk about
your childhood and your heart toserve the community?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Huh, the childhood part is interesting.
I grew up in a town calledXeniais, where I was probably
one of very few AfricanAmericans that lived in the city
.
But my father taught at CentralState University, and so I grew
(01:36):
up with a desire to go tocollege, go to law school, be an
lawyer and be a corporate guyand make money and just have a
good time.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah make money and have a good time.
So from that experience youknow, with your dad being a
professor at Central State, whatdid that?
I'm sure that inspired you togo to college.
You know I want to besuccessful, but what is it you
saw your dad doing or things yousaw in the community that
wanted you to get involved incommunity service?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Well, when I was in high school.
I've always had a desire to bean example and be a leader in
the community.
So when I was in high school Iused to run a program with the
police department called apolice program, where we used to
take the kids younger kids andtake them bowling.
I worked at the YMC as a Ycounselor.
(02:31):
I worked in the summertime as asummer counselor, so I always
was engaged in the community tobe a service, to be a positive
influence into the community,particularly for black boys.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
You shared.
Kim, can you talk about thatmoment that inspired you to get
involved in improving thecommunity?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Well, I was working in corporate America in
Cincinnati, ohio, and I was inmy office and I was watching
this TV program and they weredoing it especially at that time
is that crack cocaine wasreally huge and they were
showing these crack cocainedealers that were hanging out in
the corner.
And I prayed and I said, god,if there were churches on every
(03:18):
corner, there wouldn't be a needfor crack cocaine dealers on
the corner.
And then I tell people at thetime don't pray this prayer.
I said, well, god, use me.
I don't want to be used in acapacity that I could help make
a change.
And then what happened was myjob gave me an opportunity to be
promoted to another place and Iwas like, eh, I don't think I'm
(03:39):
gonna do that.
So then what I did was Idecided to, I had an opportunity
to leave that job and I quitthe job and started another
business and that's how I gotstarted in the community.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
You know, in 1993, you founded the National Center
of Urban Solutions and it's beenserving the community since
then.
Part of that was movingindividuals more than negative
impacts of urban poverty, thesocial, economic,
self-sufficient.
Can you talk about the visionbehind the National Center for
Urban Solutions?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Well, you know, I was going to meetings and all I
ever heard about was problemsand problems.
And you know I didn't reallyknow Christ.
But when I was going to theOhio State University I remember
walking across the campus andsaying to God that if there was
a God up there, I wanted to meethim.
(04:36):
And God introduced this up tome.
So from that point on I saw mymission is to engage myself in
the community and give people anopportunity for hope.
And so one of the things that Irecognized was that one of the
ills of the black community waswelfare and free housing and
that kind of stuff.
(04:56):
And we were on getting publicassistance, a system that really
was designed to keep us in amental state of dependence on a
system that really didn't care.
So I was saying, hey look, whydon't these people go to work?
I own the security company wewere doing security
investigation we were working inthese communities, called Uzi
(05:18):
Alley, and God revealed to me hesaid these people don't need
police, they need a job and theyneed employment.
So I set out to get women offof public assistance and so they
can go get a job and take careof themselves.
And after doing that did thatwork in this community for about
a year and we reduced crimeabout 80% and gotten about
(05:40):
30,000 women off of publicassistance.
And so to me it was reallyabout providing solutions in the
communities, not focusing onwhat the problems were.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Wow, and along those same lines, you've been quite
the visionary.
You started out with workforcedevelopment.
You've opened up schools andAfrican-American wellness walk
and many other initiatives.
What is the driving forcebehind all these initiatives?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I really believe that I probably could never be a
good pastor.
So I really believe this is mycalling from God, and what I
tell people all the time is thatI prayed this when I became a
Christian.
I said, God, I want to do.
There was a book I read by TomSkinner and he said that if you
(06:26):
ever find yourself doing God'swork, it will be working in the
community.
And so I always prayed untilGod, I really want to do your
work and I want to do it in thecommunity.
So my inspiration comes from mycalling from Christ.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
You know the word out there that you're known as a
solutions man.
Where'd that come from?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
That came because once we were in this community
called Uzi Alley and we wereable to reduce crime 80% and get
$40 million investment in thatcommunity, then people started
calling me from all overdifferent kind of cities to come
in and work with theircommunity leaders, work with
different organizations.
We worked with gang guys whowere supposed to be in gangs,
(07:08):
who had turned their livesaround, went back to got a high
school diploma, got employment,helped them start companies or a
corporation's call and asked usto help them identify and get a
workforce.
So through all that, whereverthere was a problem and our
motto is that if you got aproblem, we got a solution- hey
(07:29):
there Clark Kellogg here.
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Speaker 2 (08:10):
And you have provided a solution.
Yeah, you definitely are thesolution, man.
Let's talk about theAfrican-American health and
wellness walk.
I know that's a big concern foryou.
How did the walk begin?
Did it start with thousands ofpeople knocking on your door and
saying, hey, I want to be apart of this.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
No, actually it was a workforce program.
I was trying to figure out whyBlack Boys wasn't going to work
and I said are they lazy?
Is there mentally somethinggoing on or are they unhealthy?
And so what I did was I wentand partnered with the doctor
and Riverside Hospital and saidI'm going to give these guys,
guaranteed them, a job.
And part of them getting theirjob was that they had to get a
(08:50):
checkup when they pick up theirpaycheck.
And after doing this for about120 days, what we found out was
these guys from 18 to 30, 90% ofthem had high blood pressure,
they had high cholesterol, theyhad high glucose numbers and
three or four of them had heartailments that they had to go to
the hospital immediately.
(09:10):
So from that somebody asked me.
They said hey, black men dieway longer, sooner than other
men.
What are you going to do aboutit?
And I was like I don't know whyyou're asking me.
I was like what we knew wasthat men weren't going to go to
workshops.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
They weren't going to go to seminars.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
They weren't going to do none of that.
I said, I know what I do, I'lljust do something that's
competitive.
So I looked to see where therewere walks.
They were health walks, Cause Ilook.
I said what do white people do?
And I was like well they do thebreast cancer, they do liver
walks, they do.
They do walks for food cats.
I was like we need to do a walkfor health, and so I just
(09:51):
called up a bunch of guys andsaid hey look, I got the amount.
All of the Baptist churcheswalking.
Are they gonna send 50 brothers?
New Salem's gonna send 50brothers?
I really hadn't talked to anyof them, right, and so the first
walk 700 men showed up to dothe walk and after we had did it
for two years, we said let'sput some health screens to this.
And from that point on it justgrew.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Just grew, kenny, let's bring you in on this
conversation.
You're president ofAfrican-American Wellness Walk.
Can you talk about the growthof some of the cities that you
guys are growing to and how thatcame about?
Are cities receptive to it oris there a pushback?
How is that working?
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Yeah well, it's definitely a pleasure and an
honor to even be in a spacewhere I can lead this national
organization into these markets,but we haven't gone into a city
that we weren't invited into.
The African-American Wellness5K Walk and Run, which is now
known as the Black Men'sWellness Day.
(10:51):
It has been something thatindividuals have either
participated or they saw it fromafar and said wait a minute,
you talk about being asolutionist.
This is the answer.
This is the solution to someproblems back in our home, our
city, right, and so we've beenable to organically expand into
(11:12):
these new markets, such asLouisville, Kentucky, or Memphis
, Tennessee, or Detroit,Michigan those types of places,
Los Angeles, California becausesomeone has identified an
opportunity to bring thisimpactful event to their city.
Because we are, yes, we'rechanging lives, but ultimately
we're saving lives One freehealth screening at a time, and
(11:35):
that's what makes theAfrican-American Wellness Agency
and that event that we do,that's what makes it so
impactful and unique in thosecommunities.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
One thing that I've noticed that this is more than a
walk.
It is, it's more than a walk.
You guys not only do the walk.
There's a fatherhood, there's ato it, there's a financial
health you guide us.
There's a mental wellness.
It's our problem too.
And then you add a women'spiece as well.
(12:05):
Uplift her.
What?
How does all that work together?
Why is that so important?
For just not a one-time deal inAugust, right?
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Well, the African-American Wellness event
that we have, that walk is justthe introduction, it's just a
hello.
We unapologetically,holistically, support
African-American men and theirfamilies.
Our event is the most funyou'll ever have at a doctor's
appointment, is what we saybecause, you're able to bring
the entire family.
There's something for the kids,there's something for seniors,
(12:36):
there's things going on, there'slive entertainment, but it's an
opportunity for us to engagewith the community and let them
know about other things thatwe're doing.
So, for example, our fatherhoodprogram is really making an
impact in the community becausewe understand that 79% of
African-American kids are notkindergarten ready and we are
(12:56):
working closely with our fathersin the community, helping them
spend more time with theirchildren.
But we're also doing it inpartnership with the child care
centers, because we understandthat that's a critical season of
that child's life and we'redoing it so that we can get them
prepared to be successfulwithin their academics right,
(13:17):
and so we're able to do thingslike proud dad cook out every
year, where we bring hundreds ofdads together and we also do a
cooking with dad, where we bringdads together and they're able
to learn nutritional, freenutritional meals.
Everything that we do is freeto the community because of the
partnerships that we have andsupport that we have from
organizations that arepassionate about this equity
(13:38):
work that we're doing andthey're not just talking about
it.
They're really engaging with usand joining us in this mission.
We're able to do things such as,like you said, that you got
this, that's a research projectthat we're doing right now in
partnership with organizationssuch as, you know, the American
Diabetes Associations or AbbottLabs, where we're bringing the
(13:59):
Continuous Glucose Monitor,which is helping individuals
live with diabetes in ourcommunity.
We're helping them monitortheir diabetes and manage it
with the use of technology,which is one of the issues that
our community is facing rightnow, where not many
African-Americans have access totechnology, and so our
(14:20):
organization pride ourselves onstanding in the gap in between
the African-American communityand organizations that are
trying to get a product orinformation into our community,
and because of our grassrootsengagement, our door-to-door
approach and the trust that wehave with the community, we're
able to make that impacttogether.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
John, can you talk about this?
I've been really curious aboutthis.
Uplift her.
I know your wife is very muchinvolved with the organization.
Can you talk about that?
Uplift her.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, we holistically want to impact the family and
we had come up to this idea todo a week-long program and we
were like, well, let's makeThursday a day that we screen
women.
So we partnered with Ohio StateUniversity's PIN program and we
(15:08):
went to them and said, okay, wewant to screen women.
And out of nowhere they said,well, okay, what are we gonna
call this?
I said, well, let's call ituplift her.
It's men, uplifting women forthe purpose of black women are
four more times likely to die ofheart disease, three times more
likely to die of breast cancer,even though the instances of
(15:29):
breast cancer has been death hasbeen reduced.
And then black women are fourtimes more likely to die from
maternal issues.
So we were like you know what'sthe reality?
Is that a male equity gap?
But there's also a female.
And so this is our attempt toreach black women so that they
and it's not black women, it'swomen of color so it's our
(15:51):
attempt to reach out to thosewomen so they can have a longer
living life.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You know, as our conversation continues, I hear a
lot about partnerships, youknow, and how are you guys been
able to bring all these partnersto the table, where they, all
you know, do their part, so tospeak?
You know, that's probably oneof our biggest things in our
community is people workingtogether, right?
So how do you guys have beenblessed to bring all these
partners, how are you guys ableto do that?
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Well, there's a lot of organizations looking to go
into the African-Americancommunity.
Unfortunately, there's just notenough vehicles for them to
drive what they're trying todrive into our community.
And that's where ourorganization we pride ourselves
on being in the community.
We bring the clinic to thecommunity.
(16:37):
We understand that if we'rereally trying to extend the life
expectancy of African-Americanmen and also their family, we're
not just gonna, we're not justgonna volunteer to go to the
doctor.
You and I can relate to thatright.
Sometimes it takes a tragicevent for us to even wanna
entertain what's going on withour bodies.
We know more about what's goingon inside of our vehicles than
what's going on inside of ourbodies, and we're trying to help
(16:58):
change that paradigm.
And so the partnerships that wehave with organizations that are
trying to go into the communityit's very important and it's
critical and the way that theyfind themselves partnering with
us, because they see the success, they see the results Mr
Gregory is big on their ownresults so as we're providing
these solutions, we hit ournumbers.
(17:19):
And so there's some outcomesthat our partnerships are able
to yield, such as being able tothe campaign that we have going
on right now with the my HealthCan't Wait.
With Johnson and Johnson, youknow, we're on path to impacting
more than 5 million people,over 5 million African-Americans
, over the next five years.
But we're doing it with ourSave the Black Men's Lives tour
(17:42):
that we're doing, where we'rewalking in 16 plus cities, in 23
and also in 24.
And organizations are able toextend the reach of what they're
trying to convey to ourcommunity, and then also we're
able to help them with theirmessaging too, so that they're
putting out information that isactually gonna make an impact
and we're gonna receive it, sothat we can ultimately learn
(18:04):
what's going on, so we canextend our life expectancy.
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Speaker 1 (19:17):
And now what's going to add to that is that I think
that because we do this, becausewe believe this is what God has
called us to do, we reallybelieve.
That's the attraction.
People see that we're not doingthis to make money, we're not
doing this to lift our names up,and we make sure that everybody
we work with we have an equalbuy-in to what we're doing.
(19:40):
And I think that makes itreally receptive for different
organizations apart from one ofus, because they know that
whatever success we get, theyget to share into that success.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
That share of success .
You know, I was reading thatyour organization has a model.
We do what we say we do.
We do what we say we do.
I've been doing research on you, Dad.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
You've been doing a lot.
Oh yeah, yeah.
I'm like where did he get allthis information?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
from.
You do what you say you do.
I've been talking to somepeople now.
Can you tell us what does thatmean to you?
What does that mean to you?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
You know, it was really important to me and I
really appreciate Kenny comingto work with us.
It's kind of like if you knowthe story of Jonathan and David
in the Bible, jonathan was 30years older than David, so we
got some real balance there.
And so what Kenny wouldprobably say is that I'm really
big on if we say we work withat-risk kids.
(20:35):
That's what we do.
We work with at-risk kids.
We don't throw them away.
Our schools.
We take kids who have droppedout of high school, we bring
them back and no matter whatthey say to us some days they
may not say nice stuff to youand we hug them and say, hey,
you're gonna try this againtomorrow.
So our motto is is that we saywe knock on your doors, we go
(20:55):
into communities.
Then we go into the communitiesand that is really.
I mean, I'm just saying we'regonna do.
When people come to work withme, I go like, hey, we're gonna
do what we say we do.
We're not gonna just collectthe check and not go out in the
community.
I mean, what do you think, kim?
Speaker 6 (21:11):
No, it's fine.
The reason why I laugh when yousaid that and you asked that
question is because one of ourstaff members actually has like
the seven principles of JohnGregor.
I think it's actually calledseven commandments of John.
Gregor and one of them isactually do what you say you're
gonna do right, and that is soimportant because that's one of
the lessons that I learned, andhe touched on the idea of how
(21:33):
Jonathan and David had thatamazing relationship.
Well, mentoring is one of ourinitiatives as well and where we
are working with, you know,address kids and young men and
trying to just really build themup, but mentoring is something
that actually is happening atour level as well.
So I'm able to get some amazingadvice from Mr Gregory, and he
(21:55):
is.
He'll tell you what you need tohear, but not what you want to
hear, and he will encourage you,because it's your choice, but
he'll encourage you to mature inthe space of being accountable
and delivering results, and sohim pushing that message of do
what you say you're gonna doreally helps us as men, be men
(22:15):
of our word and being able toproduce results, because, at the
end of the day, that's whatmatters.
These organizations, thesepartnerships we're talking about
, they don't care anything aboutall this fluff.
They want results, they wantimpact and they want numbers,
and that's what we're providing.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
No other questions.
Didn't you find out about it?
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
If you want me to tell you, I can tell you.
There's six rules.
Man, you want to know?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
about that.
How did you get those?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
No, no, no.
Don't worry about all that Badman.
Don't worry about all that,Don't worry about all that, I
guess.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
so I got people.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
You got some sources for sure.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
You know, as we talk about the word legacy, this is a
legacy broadcast.
What does the word legacy meanto you, brother John, and how
are you building a lifelonglegacy?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
You know, that's a really interesting question
because I just, probably thisyear, connected with the word
legacy.
I ain't never really thoughtabout this.
I mean, my legacy is.
The Bible says where your heartis, that's where your charges
are.
So I've always thought in termsof I'm just trying to get to
the kingdom of God.
But you know, when you get olderand you become the old people
(23:24):
that you used to talk about, yourealize that your days are
numbered and you think in termsof okay, when I leave this
universe, what will I havecontributed for the power of
change and people's lives andtheir mind?
And so what legacy says to me isthat I know, as a young man,
that I know the person you'retalking about now who went to
(23:47):
Africa, karen Grooms, herdaughter.
I saw her daughter and herdaughter came up to me and she
said Mr Gregory, you rememberwhen we was little kids and used
to make us tell us, say we werewinners?
She says I teach my little sonthat he's a winner.
And I said and then when hegrows up he will tell his kids
(24:07):
you're a winner.
And so that to me is legacy isthat when I'm gone, it won't be
the things that I had, which Idon't really have a lot, but
what will be is that people waslives have changed and people's
perspective of who they are haschanged and people became
self-sufficient and they wereable to provide for themselves,
(24:30):
and that will have changed thatwhole generation of people.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
That's good, you can grooms.
That's serious and that's adaughter.
Yep, as we wrap up, if you comearound the corner there can
each of you issue a challenge tothe community, the importance
of being involved in thiscommunity work.
You know a lot of peoplewatching.
You know can you challengepersons, that challenge to get
involved, how important that isand the need.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Yeah, absolutely.
The challenge that I would liketo throw out to the community in
terms of getting involved isthere's too many people standing
on the sideline with a lot ofopinions and a lot of
suggestions, but there's justnot enough action, there's not
enough willingness to just getinto the work and just do the
(25:17):
work, and so that's one of thelessons that I've learned over
the last couple of years workingwith Mr Gregory is that the
community wins when we actuallyengage and we activate.
The talking is not gonna get itdone, and there's lots of
conversations in the barbershopsand in the churches, everywhere
(25:38):
we go.
Someone has an opinion and hasa great idea that can really
change our community, but whatare we doing?
And at the end of the day, it'sgoing to come down to actually
doing the work, and I wannachallenge everyone to be real
with yourself and ask yourselfare you really assisting in this
(26:02):
I would say mission to reallychange our community, or are you
just on the sideline talking?
And if you're not in the game,I invite you to come and join us
in the game.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I would say this, and I'm just saying this yesterday
to my own kids somebody died sothat you can have a right to get
an education.
If somebody dies, you can drivethat nice car.
Somebody died so that you canlive in a nice house.
Somebody died so you can go towork and get that check.
And you think in terms of howthose people sacrifice their
(26:34):
hairy tubman, how she sacrificedher life to make sure that we
have an opportunity to havefreedom.
You think in terms of MartinLuther King or Malcolm X or Meg
Evers.
Those people gave their livesso that we could sit and have a
meal in a restaurant and nothave to go to the back door.
And so I'm asking myself, oryou should ask yourself, what
(26:56):
are you doing to make sure thatthe next generation of people
have an opportunity to be whothey are gonna be?
And so if somebody died for meand Christ died for us, then how
much more should I give my lifeto make sure that I'm a servant
of the people?
So my challenge is that all thestuff that you wanna get, the
(27:16):
riches and stuff I telleverybody in one of those last
principles is chase spirit, notmoney.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Let the church say amen.
Everybody's a little past theplate.
You took us to the cross, soyou ain't no preacher, but you
took us to the cross.
But I wanna thank you for beinga part of the show and I wanna
thank you for answering thatcall.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
But I wanna thank you too, cause you've been around
for a long time.
I can't see you, so I don'tknow if you still look as good
as you.
You're still here, brotherYou're sharp, but you was always
and the thing I really likedabout you and I never said this
to you, but I wanted to tell youthis.
I so appreciated you.
You challenged me to step upand hold.
(28:02):
That's why I say do what yousay you do.
I always saw you do exactlywhat you said you was gonna do
and you never wavered and youdid what the Bible says that
you're yay, be nay and whateverthat scripture is and you've
done that, and so I stillappreciate you being an example.
So you was an example to me,and every time you came around I
(28:24):
always get nervous.
I was like, all right, goddon't want him to see me doing
that wrong.
So I appreciate you and thankyou, thank you, I appreciate
that this brings to the end ofthis episode.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Thanks to our special guest, our brother John Gregory
, and Kenny Hampton for sharingtheir passion for helping man,
women, just the community,uplifting the community.
I love your story about gettingwomen from sectioned in.
Whatever the work, the work andyou can see the impact of that.
So but thank you all forjoining us doing this
enlightening and informativediscussion on building a legacy
(28:57):
in service to the community.
Hope this episode wasbeneficial to you.
As always.
Thanks for listening to Be ABaller Podcast.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Thank you, guys.
If you enjoyed this episode,please share this podcast with
family and friends.
Be A Baller Podcast isavailable on all major podcast
stations.
Be sure to come back next weekas we continue to discuss on how
to build a lifelong legacy.
Until then, don't forget to bea baller.
(29:24):
This podcast was created bycoach Tim Brown.
It was edited by Tehran Howeand produced and recorded by the
video production class ofWorthington Christian High
School.
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