August 30, 2025 • 12 mins
Today's chat dives deep into a topic that's often brushed under the rug in the podcasting scene: mental health challenges. We kick things off by highlighting how the creative buzz of podcasting can sometimes clash with the hidden struggles that come after the mic is off.
We explore Danny's personal story, where he faced depression and anxiety, shining a light on how these issues can creep up, especially in a solitary creative environment. As we unpack the pressures of solo podcasting, from editing woes to the stress of analytics, we stress the importance of normalizing conversations about mental health in our community.
Ultimately, we’re here to remind ourselves that it’s okay to struggle and that support is vital, so let’s chat about how we can create safer spaces for each other.
Takeaways:
- Creative work can be super fulfilling, but it also comes with hidden struggles.
- Many podcasters face mental health issues due to the pressures of the job.
- Isolation in podcasting can amplify mental health challenges, making creators feel alone.
- The pressure to achieve and produce can lead to anxiety and self-doubt for podcasters.
- We need to talk more openly about mental health within the podcasting community.
- Creating supportive spaces for podcasters can help combat the stigma around mental health issues.
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(00:20):
There's something reallycompelling about creative work, isn't
there? That buzz you get frommaking something, sharing your voice,
connecting, putting something,you know, meaningful out there. It's
definitely why so many peopleare drawn to podcasting. But what
about the stuff we don'talways see? The hidden struggles,
the mental toll that can kindof pile up behind the mic, you know,
after you hit stop record? Sotoday we're doing a deep dive into
(00:42):
something really important,but maybe overlooked sometimes mental
health challenges,specifically in the podcasting world.
And this isn't just basingthis on a really powerful article
from July 21, 2025. It's by apodcaster named Danny. And he's incredibly
open about his own journey andwhat he's seen. It gives us a great
starting point. Our goal herereally is to unpack why this medium,
(01:05):
which seems all aboutconnection and reward, can sometimes
become, as Dani calls it, aperfect storm for mental health issues,
for the creators themselves,and maybe even more importantly,
why we absolutely need to behaving more open conversations about
this right now. Okay, so let'sstart with Danny's story. It's very
honest and really sets thescene. He shares that back in early
2019, he was diagnosed withdepression and anxiety, though he
(01:28):
says he suspects he'd probablybeen suffering for a lot longer than
that.
Right. It often creeps up,doesn't it?
Exactly. And the breakingpoint for him was pretty sudden.
He describes this minibreakdown. One morning, he was on
his commute to his marketingjob in Toronto, got to the train
station and just couldn't move.
Wow.
Yeah. Literally couldn't takeanother step forward. Like, his mind
(01:50):
just shut down. So in thatmoment, he called his wife, Jacqueline.
And this part's important.Jacqueline had her own experiences
with depression and anxietyfrom university.
Ah, so she understood.
She did. She knew the beststeps to take next. She actually
drove him three cities away toa hospital known for its mental health
program.
That's incredible support.
Absolutely. So there he wentthrough tests, talked with the staff,
(02:12):
who he said were very kind,and got his diagnosis. The plan involved
involved seeing a specialistregularly, medication, taking time
off work, and just resting.
And did it? Did it help?
He says it helped immensely.Getting that correct diagnosis, understanding
the causes, which for him werestress, pure exhaustion from overwork,
plus, you know, not eatingwell or exercising.
(02:34):
Usual suspects often.
Right. That understandingallowed him to start managing it.
He's clear that it's somethingthat's always there in the background.
But now he knows the signs,knows when it's starting to rear
its head, and how to handle itbetter. It's a powerful starting
point for this whole discussion.
It really is. And what'sstriking is how that experience,
being pushed to the edge bystress and overwork in a, you know,
(02:58):
corporate job, how much thatmirrors the challenges many podcasters
face. Maybe not in the exactsame setting, but the underlying
pressure. It could be so similar.
Yeah, that's a great point.
It really makes you ask, okay,why podcasting? Why does this medium
built on talking andconnecting seem uniquely set up to
(03:18):
create these struggles for creators?
Well, Danny digs right intothat, shifting from his personal
breakdown to his professionallife. He's been podcasting for over
10 years, and he highlightssomething key. For him. It's mostly
been a solo endeavor.
The one person band situation.
Totally. And anyone whocreates solo knows you wear all the
hats. Danny says pretty mucheverything you hear on any of my
(03:39):
shows is the result of my work.
Everything.
Planning, research, recording,editing, publishing, promotion, the
whole nine yards. He mentionsmaybe outsourcing artwork or intra
sutros occasionally. Butthat's a tiny slice, right?
Yeah. Drop in the oceancompared to the main workload.
Exactly. And it's this intensesolidarity, as he puts it, that he
(04:00):
believes can cause or add tomental health issues for podcasters.
That isolation, carrying itall alone, it.
Just amplifies everything internally.
Absolutely. And then you addthe practical stuff all on top of
that solitude. Like editing.Danny talks about this really vividly.
He says he used to hate editing.
I think a lot of us can relateto that.
Definitely. And early on, youknow, dad, two kids, mortgage outsourcing
(04:23):
just wasn't financially viable.
Right.
So he taught himself YouTubetips from other editors listening
to podcasts. He says it gavehim the confidence to start. But
here's where it gets trickypsychologically. If you're already
dealing with mental healthstuff, who you often question yourself.
Right? That core, am I goodenough? Am I worthy?
That internal critic.
(04:44):
Exactly. Yeah. And that voicetransfers perfectly to the editing
booth. Suddenly it's, is thisaudio okay? Do people actually like
this? Is this content evenworth listening to?
You're listening back to yourown voice, which, let's be honest,
a lot of people don't lovehearing anyway.
Right? And you start hearingtiny flaws that maybe aren't even
there.
Yeah.
Or you overcompensate, maybeaccentuate parts you think listeners
(05:05):
will like, even if it meanscutting something more valuable.
Constantly guessing when arethey going to tune out.
Yeah. And for someone alreadyanxious or depressed, that pressure
just. Danny says it starts toclose the air around you.
That's a powerful image.
It is. It leads to thisspiral. More scrutiny, more indecision,
more anxiety. And thisoverwhelming feeling that it can't
(05:27):
possibly be good enough.
And the cost.
Hours and hours chasingperfection that never arrives. Time
away from family, friends,life, company.
When you put it like that.
It's a common trap in creativework, that perfectionism. But the
isolation in podcasting, itmakes it particularly intense. There's
no one else there to offerperspective, you know, to say, hey,
(05:50):
it's fine, or you're spiralinga bit.
Yeah, that creation. Isolationis one thing, but then, okay, you
finally hit publish. Thepressure doesn't stop, does it?
Not at all. Then comes theanalytics phase.
Oh, the dreaded stats.
Exactly. A whole new round ofself questioning kicks in. Are these
numbers good? Do thesedownloads look okay?
And this is fertile ground forimposter syndrome?
(06:12):
Absolutely. Dani says it getseven worse here for people already
dealing with mental health issues.
Because you start comparing,you can't help it.
You look at others in yourniche, you see what looks like success,
big downloads, whatever. Andthen you look at yours and.
Tell yourself you're failing.
Precisely. You think, I can'tpossibly be good enough.
And the dangerous part, Dannypoints out, is we have no idea if
(06:34):
the success others show iseven real or what struggles they
went through.
Exactly. We don't know theirprocess, their team, their budget,
nothing.
We just see our perception oftheir success versus our perception
of our failure.
Right. And what happens then?You might question your content,
make rash changes that hurtthe show, or just give up entirely,
which leaves you feeling likea failure.
(06:55):
It's a vicious cycle, andthat's just analytics.
Yeah.
He also mentions otherstressors, like finding sponsors,
getting guests, lack of reviews.
Oh, yeah.
And just the sheer time ittakes, Start to finish, for one episode,
it all adds up. So, okay, whenyour passion, your creative outlet,
starts feeling more like thisconstant judgment, what does that
(07:19):
mean? Where does that leave us?
Well, it points to somethingDanny found really, concerning a
kind of systemic silence. Henoticed this major disconnect. He's
met loads of podcasters who'd privately.
Share their mental healthchallenges in quiet conversations.
Right. But then you look atindustry publications, conferences,
the focus is all on the futureof podcasting. Advertising, tech
(07:42):
advances, the business side,the growth side. Exactly. He says
very few are really talkingabout the mental health of the creators.
That's a stark contrast, isn'tit? Especially when you think about
how many studies talk aboutpodcasts helping listeners. Mental
health.
Precisely. Benny points thatout, too. It benefits the listeners.
But this Isn't the case whenit comes to the creators behind the
podcasts.
(08:02):
Wow, that's. Yeah, a big cat.
And a lot of that silence,unfortunately, still boils down to
stigma, even now in 2025. TheAmerican Psychiatric association
stat he cites is worrying.More than half of people with mental
illness don't receive help.
Why, though? Why the silence?
People might be unwilling totalk. Maybe they feel it makes them
(08:23):
look weak, or they believesomething's wrong with them and only
them.
Or maybe they've been toldit's all in their head, and so often
they start believing it.
Yeah. And the irony, Dannynotes, is just profound. You have
people in a medium that relieson the spoken word, not having the
words to ask for help.
Oof, that hits hard.
It does. It's fascinating,isn't it? Podcasting is so intimate.
(08:45):
It builds connection, but thatpower isn't being fully used to support
the actual creators. It's likewe're building safe spaces for listeners,
but not always for ourselves.
That irony really underscoresthe issue. We absolutely have to
recognize the loneliness andfear that can come with podcasting,
because fundamentally,podcasting can be amazing. Danny
(09:08):
calls it a wonderful medium, awonderful, rewarding medium. It absolutely
can be. It pushes creativity,connection, making something impactful.
The potential is huge, forsure. But we can't just focus on
the good stuff and ignore thepotential costs to the creators.
And that's the key, isn't it?Holding both things is true. The
potential and the challenges,that's the way forward. Yeah. We
(09:29):
need an industry culture thatcelebrates the creativity, the connection,
while also understanding thatpeople might be struggling silently,
maybe wanting help, but justnot knowing how to ask for it.
So it's more than justawareness. It's about actively creating
supportive spaces.
Exactly. Making vulnerability.Okay. Understood, even expected.
Okay, so practically, whatmight that look like? How do we build
(09:51):
that?
Well, it could start with moreopenness from industry leaders, maybe
bigger podcasters sharingtheir own experiences more regularly,
not just once, but normalizing it.
Leading by example.
Yeah. Making sure conferencepanels aren't just about metrics,
but also about, well, being,sustainability. Maybe developing
resources specifically forpodcasters dealing with these unique
(10:12):
pressures. Things that areeasy to access, confidential.
Like peer support groups.
Definitely. Onlinecommunities, maybe even local meetups
just focused on candidsharing, no judgment. Little things
can make a big difference.
Right. It's about changing thewhole narrative. Moving away from.
Just grind harder to. It'sokay to struggle. And here's how
we can support each other.
(10:33):
Exactly.
Because if we can genuinelyopen up that conversation, make it
safe to talk about mentalhealth. Dani's final point is powerful.
It will help remove that fearof saying the first word. And for
someone struggling, that firstword, asking for help or just sharing,
that can be the most importantword a podcaster will ever say.
It really can. It's aboutbuilding an ecosystem where needing
(10:55):
support isn't weakness. It'sjust part of being human and creative,
a step towards connection.
So wrapping up this deep dive,we've really unpacked a lot. The
unique pressures inpodcasting, that intense solo creation
process, the self doubt inediting, the analytics anxiety, the
comparisons, and.
That heavy silence, the stigmathat stops people reaching out.
(11:17):
Yeah. And understanding this,whether you're a podcaster yourself,
thinking about starting, oreven just a listener, it's crucial.
It helps us build a healthier,more understanding, genuinely supportive
space for creators lookingpast the final product to the person
behind it.
Absolutely. Which leaves uswith a final thought for you, the
listener. In a world that'salways telling us to make noise,
(11:39):
be visible, push boundaries,how can we, each of us, help, create
spaces where it's also okay,even encouraged, for creators to
be vulnerable, to seek quietsupport, support when they need it.
What's one small thing youcould maybe do today or this week
to help foster that kind ofenvironment in your own corner of
the world? Something to think about.
There's something reallycompelling about creative work, isn't
there? That buzz you get frommaking something, sharing your voice,
connecting, putting something,you know, meaningful out there. It's
definitely why so many peopleare drawn to podcasting. But what
about the stuff we don'talways see? The hidden struggles,
the mental toll that can kindof pile up behind the mic, you know,
after you hit stop record? Sotoday we're doing a deep dive into
(00:42):
something really important,but maybe overlooked sometimes mental
health challenges,specifically in the podcasting world.
And this isn't just basingthis on a really powerful article
from July 21, 2025. It's by apodcaster named Danny. And he's incredibly
open about his own journey andwhat he's seen. It gives us a great
starting point. Our goal herereally is to unpack why this medium,
(01:05):
which seems all aboutconnection and reward, can sometimes
become, as Dani calls it, aperfect storm for mental health issues,
for the creators themselves,and maybe even more importantly,
why we absolutely need to behaving more open conversations about
this right now. Okay, so let'sstart with Danny's story. It's very
honest and really sets thescene. He shares that back in early
2019, he was diagnosed withdepression and anxiety, though he
(01:28):
says he suspects he'd probablybeen suffering for a lot longer than
that.
Right. It often creeps up,doesn't it?
Exactly. And the breakingpoint for him was pretty sudden.
He describes this minibreakdown. One morning, he was on
his commute to his marketingjob in Toronto, got to the train
station and just couldn't move.
Wow.
Yeah. Literally couldn't takeanother step forward. Like, his mind
(01:50):
just shut down. So in thatmoment, he called his wife, Jacqueline.
And this part's important.Jacqueline had her own experiences
with depression and anxietyfrom university.
Ah, so she understood.
She did. She knew the beststeps to take next. She actually
drove him three cities away toa hospital known for its mental health
program.
That's incredible support.
Absolutely. So there he wentthrough tests, talked with the staff,
(02:12):
who he said were very kind,and got his diagnosis. The plan involved
involved seeing a specialistregularly, medication, taking time
off work, and just resting.
And did it? Did it help?
He says it helped immensely.Getting that correct diagnosis, understanding
the causes, which for him werestress, pure exhaustion from overwork,
plus, you know, not eatingwell or exercising.
(02:34):
Usual suspects often.
Right. That understandingallowed him to start managing it.
He's clear that it's somethingthat's always there in the background.
But now he knows the signs,knows when it's starting to rear
its head, and how to handle itbetter. It's a powerful starting
point for this whole discussion.
It really is. And what'sstriking is how that experience,
being pushed to the edge bystress and overwork in a, you know,
(02:58):
corporate job, how much thatmirrors the challenges many podcasters
face. Maybe not in the exactsame setting, but the underlying
pressure. It could be so similar.
Yeah, that's a great point.
It really makes you ask, okay,why podcasting? Why does this medium
built on talking andconnecting seem uniquely set up to
(03:18):
create these struggles for creators?
Well, Danny digs right intothat, shifting from his personal
breakdown to his professionallife. He's been podcasting for over
10 years, and he highlightssomething key. For him. It's mostly
been a solo endeavor.
The one person band situation.
Totally. And anyone whocreates solo knows you wear all the
hats. Danny says pretty mucheverything you hear on any of my
(03:39):
shows is the result of my work.
Everything.
Planning, research, recording,editing, publishing, promotion, the
whole nine yards. He mentionsmaybe outsourcing artwork or intra
sutros occasionally. Butthat's a tiny slice, right?
Yeah. Drop in the oceancompared to the main workload.
Exactly. And it's this intensesolidarity, as he puts it, that he
(04:00):
believes can cause or add tomental health issues for podcasters.
That isolation, carrying itall alone, it.
Just amplifies everything internally.
Absolutely. And then you addthe practical stuff all on top of
that solitude. Like editing.Danny talks about this really vividly.
He says he used to hate editing.
I think a lot of us can relateto that.
Definitely. And early on, youknow, dad, two kids, mortgage outsourcing
(04:23):
just wasn't financially viable.
Right.
So he taught himself YouTubetips from other editors listening
to podcasts. He says it gavehim the confidence to start. But
here's where it gets trickypsychologically. If you're already
dealing with mental healthstuff, who you often question yourself.
Right? That core, am I goodenough? Am I worthy?
That internal critic.
(04:44):
Exactly. Yeah. And that voicetransfers perfectly to the editing
booth. Suddenly it's, is thisaudio okay? Do people actually like
this? Is this content evenworth listening to?
You're listening back to yourown voice, which, let's be honest,
a lot of people don't lovehearing anyway.
Right? And you start hearingtiny flaws that maybe aren't even
there.
Yeah.
Or you overcompensate, maybeaccentuate parts you think listeners
(05:05):
will like, even if it meanscutting something more valuable.
Constantly guessing when arethey going to tune out.
Yeah. And for someone alreadyanxious or depressed, that pressure
just. Danny says it starts toclose the air around you.
That's a powerful image.
It is. It leads to thisspiral. More scrutiny, more indecision,
more anxiety. And thisoverwhelming feeling that it can't
(05:27):
possibly be good enough.
And the cost.
Hours and hours chasingperfection that never arrives. Time
away from family, friends,life, company.
When you put it like that.
It's a common trap in creativework, that perfectionism. But the
isolation in podcasting, itmakes it particularly intense. There's
no one else there to offerperspective, you know, to say, hey,
(05:50):
it's fine, or you're spiralinga bit.
Yeah, that creation. Isolationis one thing, but then, okay, you
finally hit publish. Thepressure doesn't stop, does it?
Not at all. Then comes theanalytics phase.
Oh, the dreaded stats.
Exactly. A whole new round ofself questioning kicks in. Are these
numbers good? Do thesedownloads look okay?
And this is fertile ground forimposter syndrome?
(06:12):
Absolutely. Dani says it getseven worse here for people already
dealing with mental health issues.
Because you start comparing,you can't help it.
You look at others in yourniche, you see what looks like success,
big downloads, whatever. Andthen you look at yours and.
Tell yourself you're failing.
Precisely. You think, I can'tpossibly be good enough.
And the dangerous part, Dannypoints out, is we have no idea if
(06:34):
the success others show iseven real or what struggles they
went through.
Exactly. We don't know theirprocess, their team, their budget,
nothing.
We just see our perception oftheir success versus our perception
of our failure.
Right. And what happens then?You might question your content,
make rash changes that hurtthe show, or just give up entirely,
which leaves you feeling likea failure.
(06:55):
It's a vicious cycle, andthat's just analytics.
Yeah.
He also mentions otherstressors, like finding sponsors,
getting guests, lack of reviews.
Oh, yeah.
And just the sheer time ittakes, Start to finish, for one episode,
it all adds up. So, okay, whenyour passion, your creative outlet,
starts feeling more like thisconstant judgment, what does that
(07:19):
mean? Where does that leave us?
Well, it points to somethingDanny found really, concerning a
kind of systemic silence. Henoticed this major disconnect. He's
met loads of podcasters who'd privately.
Share their mental healthchallenges in quiet conversations.
Right. But then you look atindustry publications, conferences,
the focus is all on the futureof podcasting. Advertising, tech
(07:42):
advances, the business side,the growth side. Exactly. He says
very few are really talkingabout the mental health of the creators.
That's a stark contrast, isn'tit? Especially when you think about
how many studies talk aboutpodcasts helping listeners. Mental
health.
Precisely. Benny points thatout, too. It benefits the listeners.
But this Isn't the case whenit comes to the creators behind the
podcasts.
(08:02):
Wow, that's. Yeah, a big cat.
And a lot of that silence,unfortunately, still boils down to
stigma, even now in 2025. TheAmerican Psychiatric association
stat he cites is worrying.More than half of people with mental
illness don't receive help.
Why, though? Why the silence?
People might be unwilling totalk. Maybe they feel it makes them
(08:23):
look weak, or they believesomething's wrong with them and only
them.
Or maybe they've been toldit's all in their head, and so often
they start believing it.
Yeah. And the irony, Dannynotes, is just profound. You have
people in a medium that relieson the spoken word, not having the
words to ask for help.
Oof, that hits hard.
It does. It's fascinating,isn't it? Podcasting is so intimate.
(08:45):
It builds connection, but thatpower isn't being fully used to support
the actual creators. It's likewe're building safe spaces for listeners,
but not always for ourselves.
That irony really underscoresthe issue. We absolutely have to
recognize the loneliness andfear that can come with podcasting,
because fundamentally,podcasting can be amazing. Danny
(09:08):
calls it a wonderful medium, awonderful, rewarding medium. It absolutely
can be. It pushes creativity,connection, making something impactful.
The potential is huge, forsure. But we can't just focus on
the good stuff and ignore thepotential costs to the creators.
And that's the key, isn't it?Holding both things is true. The
potential and the challenges,that's the way forward. Yeah. We
(09:29):
need an industry culture thatcelebrates the creativity, the connection,
while also understanding thatpeople might be struggling silently,
maybe wanting help, but justnot knowing how to ask for it.
So it's more than justawareness. It's about actively creating
supportive spaces.
Exactly. Making vulnerability.Okay. Understood, even expected.
Okay, so practically, whatmight that look like? How do we build
(09:51):
that?
Well, it could start with moreopenness from industry leaders, maybe
bigger podcasters sharingtheir own experiences more regularly,
not just once, but normalizing it.
Leading by example.
Yeah. Making sure conferencepanels aren't just about metrics,
but also about, well, being,sustainability. Maybe developing
resources specifically forpodcasters dealing with these unique
(10:12):
pressures. Things that areeasy to access, confidential.
Like peer support groups.
Definitely. Onlinecommunities, maybe even local meetups
just focused on candidsharing, no judgment. Little things
can make a big difference.
Right. It's about changing thewhole narrative. Moving away from.
Just grind harder to. It'sokay to struggle. And here's how
we can support each other.
(10:33):
Exactly.
Because if we can genuinelyopen up that conversation, make it
safe to talk about mentalhealth. Dani's final point is powerful.
It will help remove that fearof saying the first word. And for
someone struggling, that firstword, asking for help or just sharing,
that can be the most importantword a podcaster will ever say.
It really can. It's aboutbuilding an ecosystem where needing
(10:55):
support isn't weakness. It'sjust part of being human and creative,
a step towards connection.
So wrapping up this deep dive,we've really unpacked a lot. The
unique pressures inpodcasting, that intense solo creation
process, the self doubt inediting, the analytics anxiety, the
comparisons, and.
That heavy silence, the stigmathat stops people reaching out.
(11:17):
Yeah. And understanding this,whether you're a podcaster yourself,
thinking about starting, oreven just a listener, it's crucial.
It helps us build a healthier,more understanding, genuinely supportive
space for creators lookingpast the final product to the person
behind it.
Absolutely. Which leaves uswith a final thought for you, the
listener. In a world that'salways telling us to make noise,
(11:39):
be visible, push boundaries,how can we, each of us, help, create
spaces where it's also okay,even encouraged, for creators to
be vulnerable, to seek quietsupport, support when they need it.
What's one small thing youcould maybe do today or this week
to help foster that kind ofenvironment in your own corner of
the world? Something to think about.
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