Drumming, Rhythm & Cognitive Skills | Chris Brien - Beat The Mental Health Out Of It! | Dark Humor Conversations On Mental Health, Trauma & Society

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SPEAKER_02 (00:22):
Hey everybody, Defective Schizo Effective here.
Before you guys enjoy anotherfantastic episode of Bottom
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very special guest, Chris Bryan.
Hello.
And we're back.
Sorry for technicaldifficulties.
That's right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14):
I was talking about uh uh a swimmer, you can look
her up.
She's called Lisa Forrest.
Uh the the fantastic athlete.
She went on to become a verysuccessful journalist.
The um um she obviously inspireda lot of people went to school
with.
The one of the guys went toschool with, uh, he was the
Jamie McTeague, he's a filmdirector.

(01:36):
One of the he's done many bigmovies.
One of his big movies is a moviecalled Viva Vendetta, uh, which
was a massive movie.
You know him?
Viva Vendetta.
There was another guy at schoolwith another guy at school with,
he was involved in developingthe camera used in the Titanics,
everything's in focus.
Uh there's another guy.
At one point, a lot of these nowJamie McTeague, who is the

(01:57):
director, he's he's a giant.
He wasn't bullied, but some ofthe other ones were bullied, and
I can see that they wereprobably influenced by Lisa.
Another one I won't mention hisname, became one of the most
successful clothes designers inAustralia.
Uh, another one won't mentionhis name.
He's an artist, he's paintedeither two or three Archibald
Prizes.
When you paint an ArchibaldPrize, you're painting the Queen

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of England.
Um, and that's going like theAustralian Museum or Buckman
Palace.
He's done like two or three ofthose.
There's other people as well whodid really well.
And then I think this girlobviously had an influence on
us.
She certainly had influence onme.
Not directly, but looking back,uh, when she talk about, oh, I
swim before school, I swim afterschool, I'm a fish on the

(02:39):
weekends, and comes top right inthe top one top 1% of the HSC
high school certificate lookslike SATs.
That is that's going toinfluence you.
Uh so anyway, so um, and she wasan extremely confident girl,
obviously.
She's about six foot, big girl,um, and never had no enemies,
nice.
I never really knew her.

(02:59):
Uh, but there's other people aswell who've done very well.
And there's um there's a girl Iwent to school with who became
very successful in education toAboriginal uh um culture in
Australia, and she's Aboriginal.
She's done very well.
Oh, that's there's you can seethere has to be some influence
from that.
There's some very talentedpeople in my school.

(03:19):
At school, they're just you knowkids.
But you can see I've met some ofthe teachers over the years past
then that said, oh, the peoplewho graduated in 82 and 81 were
very so very talented people inthose years.
And teaching, you do get certainyears, people are for some
reason, whether it's you knowbubble warming or hate speech or

(03:43):
something, it's not, butsomething they produce it
produces uh um very talentedpeople.
Anyway, so so I'm so I'm gettingitchy here because of the the
pollen.
The um No, you're fine, you'refine.
That's fine.
So what was I saying?
Uh that basically that's whathappened.
So there was another time when Ihad to play, and this this just
sort of, you know, made merealize this is really cool.

(04:06):
I it was a morning at school,and the teacher, she was a great
most people hated the teacher.
I love Cheryl Bryant.
Wasn't that Cheryl Bryant?
She was so cool.
She let me do drum solos.
Uh every lesson I played drums.
She was maybe she just wanted tohave a break, I don't know.
But one day she came in themusic class and said, Okay,
guys, uh there you want to goand play in the hall today?

(04:27):
Okay.
Uh and there was a few drummersin the class.
Who want to do it?
No one wanted to do it.
I'll do it, okay.
We're gonna play.
Play a blues, okay, fine.
Uh follow me.
And I got down there, the hall,which is basketball court, was
full of people.
Full of, you know, I don't care.
And I was just a kid, I think Iwas 16.
And uh, you know, remember dumdum ka, dum dun ka, dum, doom,

(04:49):
ba, dum, do, all that sort ofstuff.
And finished and and like, yeah,very clever.
And uh left.
The following day, the viceprincipal comes up to me at
lunchtime.
Now, the vice principal onlycomes up to you at lunchtime if
you only get the cane.
It's the only reason he comes upto you.
Right.
He didn't know my name.
And he said uh he knew mybrother's name because my
brother was the most feared guyin the school, but he didn't

(05:09):
know my name.
Um and he said, Christian,you're not in trouble.
Okay, okay.
Yes, Mr.
Mace.
Uh he said, I'd like to thankyou for yesterday.
You made the school lookfantastic.
Thank you.
Uh, okay.

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But a week later, he sent aletter over to my home to my
parents saying, I think your sonshould do music as a career.
It changed my life.
So some sort of posters bulletthe whole time, which is
ignored.
I had his three pimples in hisface.
All of a sudden, your son shouldbe doing this, uh, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah.
And um, it was great.

(05:50):
So for then I realized, okay, Iwent to catering college, which
was was gay.
I mean, literally, it wasterrible.
Um, I did the catering collegething, you know.
You know, where's your tumblebund?
You haven't shaven properly.
Um, oh, yes, you your needlesshould be threaded.
You haven't got time to threadneedles.
Uh, you can't use a light, it'llexplode.
You've got to use a match.
Um, which is on on.
You don't know.

(06:10):
The the the fourth is onecentimeter too far to the left.
You need to fix that.
Oh my god, okay.
Uh I hated that crap.
You complete it, you finish it,you work in the industry, you
know, in clubs and stuff, andsay, hang on, I don't drink, I
don't smoke, I can't standdrunkins, uh, I I don't like
idiots, so I got out of it.
Um, but I went to that becausethe reason I didn't go to the

(06:32):
conservatorium and study music,there was nothing at the Sydney
Conservatorium for contemporarymusic.
And the jazz studies course thatwas set up by James Morris, one
of the greatest musicians in theworld, uh, you had to be a piano
player to get into it.
And I wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 (06:48):
That's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 (06:48):
Um and the jazz studies course isn't a fantastic
course at the SydneyConservatorium.
I don't know if you guys knowwho James Morrison is, but he's
he's uh um uh what's an AntoroSanderval, how do you say his
name?
Tony?
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (07:00):
Oh, yeah, definitely not Sandoval, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (07:02):
He says uh James Morrison is the greatest trumper
in the world.
James Morrison plays everysingle brass instrument ever
made.
He says, I play every instrumentexcept the drum set, which I
know is a lie.
Um his brother John Morrison,who's just as incredible, but
he's my favorite jazz drummer.
Um they're both pilots, they'reAbsale, they're comedians, uh

(07:24):
they're incredible people.
Um but so the anyway, so uhJames Morrison.
What was I saying about JamesMorrison?
I forgot what I was saying.
I don't know.
It doesn't matter.
Well, you're saying that he wasa great teacher.
He's the best teacher in theworld.
He's the best teacher I've seen.
I just adore uh James Morrison.
Most Australians do.
He's he's a sort of chubby,smiling guy, incredible guy.

(07:47):
So so you mentioned that he hadthe you had to be able to play
piano to get into his own.
Oh, yeah, exactly.
James Morrison.
Because James Morris Morrison'smentor, who died, sadly died
about, I think, 10, 15, 20 yearsago, uh, Don Morrison.
Don Burroughs, who set up, whowas the grandfather of
Australian jazz, he set up theuh Sydney Jazz uh course, jazz

(08:09):
studies course at the SydneyConservative can't speak, the
Sydney Conservatory of Music.
Ironically, about 10 yearslater, they fired him because he
didn't have a qualification,even though he wrote the course.
Um is a reminder a lot of theseinstitutes would not allow
Beethoven or Mozart to teachthere because they don't have
the certificate, which is juststupid.

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Um then James Morrison left.

SPEAKER_01 (08:36):
And we're back.

SPEAKER_02 (08:37):
Sorry.
Technical difficulties onceagain.
Once again, but we are back.
This is gonna work this time, Ican feel it.

SPEAKER_01 (08:45):
Alright, Chris.

SPEAKER_02 (08:46):
Yep.
So we just finished talkingabout the great James Morrison.
Yeah, the James Morrison jazzschool.
That was actually a really coolstory.
I'll tell you what's uh thatyour high school really produced
a lot of uh prolificindividuals.

SPEAKER_00 (09:03):
A lot of very good people.
Uh yeah, uh we don't know why.
Because my gym teacher, our gymteacher, I'll say his name,
Chris Dawson.
Uh Hollywood's talking aboutmaking a movie about him called
The Teacher's Pet.
Yeah.
He he when I was in year eleven,uh he used to spend time with uh

(09:28):
one of the girls went at theschool with Joanne Curtis, he
used to spend time with her inthe staff room.
Now the staff room is the sizeof a closet.
Now being a naive uh recoveringbullied kid at school, I didn't
know what girls were for when Iwas 16, you know.
I they'll just I thought they'lldo for going to a bathroom and
and spending hours in the uhlooking at their face with

(09:51):
makeup and going dun, dun, dun,dun, dun, don't put in their
wall paint on, uh, and um justcomplaining the UFO movies were
stupid, as my sisters would tellme.
So I don't know what girls arefor.
Well, obviously he was having anaffair with this girl, and she
was uh turned out it took 40years for the bloody Sydney the
police put them away, becausethey were in on it too.

(10:12):
This guy and his brother, hisbrother should be in prison too,
Paul Dawson.
Uh they were famous rugby leagueplayers, they're twins.
Um, and the poor Chris Dawsonplayed at my school, Cromer High
in Sydney, which is uh rat bagteachers, but great students.
Uh the some of the teachers thatsome of the teachers that teach
they were fantastic.
Uh the um, they weren't allratbags, and his brother taught

(10:34):
at Fred's Forest, which is abouta 10-minute drive from Cromer.
And they're both doing the deedwith all these girls.
So they'd worked out they hadthis, you know, this smoggus
ball, this endless talent comingthrough.
So what this this this moron didwas, which the police have
pretty much proven he's inprison now with the rest of his
life, he murdered his wife,because this girl became their

(10:55):
nanny.
And he was he was doing her atschool and at home, murdered his
wife.
Uh, friends I've got who work inthe building trade think, okay,
he's either buried her inconcrete, or this is on the
northern beach of Sydney, orthey've he's got in a boat with
his crooked brother or someone,chained her up, and taken her
off to the take gone, you know,25 kilometers out from Sydney to

(11:17):
the continental shelf anddropped her in, you know,
thousands of feet of water sothe crabs and the prawns can eat
her.
But when you drop that deep, youbecome toothpaste.
There's nothing left.
So uh he was denying, he keptsaying for 40 years, joined a
religious cult, did this.
She joined a religious cult, butshe never used a credit card,

(11:38):
never used a Medicare card.
I mean, come on.
I mean, you can no evenreligious religious, even
religious cult people get coldsand flus and infections, have to
go to a doctor.
I mean, seriously, have to gettheir teeth cleaned, you've got
to use your Medicare card.
Um uh so he was uh my gymteacher, and he was uh a

(12:00):
nightmare.
And when I was young, I didn'tknow what girls are for.
All I knew was he was a creep.
He was an absolute creep.
I don't know, I didn't know theword creep what it meant.
As I got old, I realized that'swhy I didn't like that guy.
There's a guy I went to schoolwith Tony, who was the biggest
guy in the school.
He loved me to death.
He was my brother's, one of mybrother's best friends.
And he and my brother and a fewother guys are the most feared

(12:20):
guys in my school.
Um, those pretty tough guysthere.
Pony was asked to leave any year10.
He was he almost sent the note.
The note said, Your son is notworking at our school for the
final two years of high school.
We thought just because he's anaughty boy.
Turned out he'd been threateningthis Chris Dawson guy.
I'll beat the living crap out ofyou, and I'll go to the police
and tell them why I stuck aboard, uh, a fin off a surfboard

(12:43):
up your ass.
I'll tell them why I literallydid that, and then you have to
explain them why you've beenhaving sex with girls at school.
Um, so you have some greatstudents at our school, we have
some rat bag teachers.
Um, this is McGuy with the uh uhJolly teacher, an angel.
Cheryl Bryant, the musicteacher, an angel.
One of the teachers they weretaught, I won't say what subject
subject it is, I won't mentionhis name.

(13:05):
He was hideous.
One of these guys go around theassembly, they're not the right
shoes.
That's contraband.
Never ask the kid, are yourparents financially struggling?
They can't afford to buy morethan one pair of shoes.
Are you, you know, I found outabout six years ago, he got
beaten up.
And the person who told me itwas the school teacher said,
it's terribly got beaten up.
I said, you know what?
I'll call that karma.

(13:26):
Sorry.
God, the universe.
I say God, karma.
He got his just doing.
How many lives did he ruin?
How many kids killed themselvesbecause of the nightmare he put
him through?
And this Chris Dawson maniac.
How many they I mean he's gotgrandkids he he he got through
this woman he had sex with.
It was it was it, she was achild.
She hadn't finished growing it.

(13:46):
She's a baby.

SPEAKER_02 (13:48):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (13:49):
She was a baby.

unknown (13:51):
You're right.

SPEAKER_00 (13:52):
And she hates his gut.
She's a victim.

SPEAKER_02 (13:55):
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (13:56):
Yeah.
It's terrible.
Um, I didn't know what was goingon.
And the fact that an adult cando that to a child, when I hear
that the adults doing thingslike their children,
particularly us being parents orparents, I think myself, ah,
that's what crossbows wereinvented for.
I get it now.
Do the Rambo.

(14:17):
You know, nail them to a door,you know.
Uh so that you know, they'regonna, you know, it's yeah,
that's I think that's whatcrossbows are for.
None of these firing squads withelectric chairs, no.
Seriously, um, I I I I'm I don'tagree killing anyone.
I'm just saying it's justhideous.
I went to school this monster.
This monster.
I hate the guy.
And my brother's one of theseTony guys said to me, if he

(14:40):
comes anywhere, if he saysanything to you, you tell me not
to go and talk to him.
I'd found out he'd said, hadbeen said to him, You got into
any of these kids.
I looked like a girl when I wasa boy.
I was a pretty boy.
I quite often go up with myparents, my my two brothers and
two sisters, sometimes be outwith my sisters, I adore my
sisters, love my sister,Victoria and Elizabeth, love
them.
And uh, we'd be about, and uhpeople say, Oh, who are the

(15:02):
girls?
My father would say, if you lifthis hair, this one's a boy.
I was a pretty boy.
So I would have been a perfecttarget for these creeps.
But I know I was I now know Iwas protected.
You know, Tony, you know, Nick,some high school students are
stronger than men.
They're really strong.

SPEAKER_02 (15:17):
It's it can happen, yeah, sure.
Yeah.
They're very strong boys.
They're big kids.
They're big and they're yeah,they're oh, they're lifting
weights and wrestling and yeah,it can be.

SPEAKER_00 (15:28):
Scary kids.
So then I so that that was um mymy school.
Um it was around that time I waslife-saving that I was in the
training session and I got takenout by a jellyfish.
I was worried about the sharks.
Because I'd I'd we'd seen Jaws acouple years before.
I'm hearing John Williams,don't, don't, don't, don't.
Ah, looking down the depths ofthe water.
I'm thinking it's like athousand feet, it's probably
about 40 feet too.

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And the sunlight's disappearing.
Uh I'm waiting, I'm thinking,it's gonna, it's gonna, I think
it's gonna be a bull shark.
I think it's gonna I don't notthe bullshark, not the bull
shark.
Uh uh I want a circle, uh I wanta great white to circle me
because it's gonna look at me umand it'll probably go away.
Maybe it's a salmon shark.
So it looks like a great white,not as dangerous.
Uh it looked pretty cool becauseit's a salmon shark.

(16:09):
Um uh uh don't be a threshard.
There's no thresholds in Sydney.
Uh it'll hurt me.
So I knew my sharks.
And then it hit me.
I thought, what?
No, I'm not you.
Uh and it was a jellyfish.
I knew something was coming forme.
And this thing had a clearbulbous head and really long
tentacles, which you don't getin Sydney.
It's doing this to me.
It came at me.

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And it's it felt like fire andelectric shock at the same time.
Anyway, I'm I'm in a this is atraining session.
There's about 400 lifesavers onthe beach.
I'm going like this, no one seesme.
They're all doing the trainingsessions, and I think it's part
of the act.
And there's there was this IRB,those inflatable rubber boats
with the engine on the back, youget what we call them.

(16:51):
Um, I was going around andthey're like, You're being a bit
over dramatic, mate.
Calm down.
I said, And said, I think he'sbeen hurt.
And I was being I was playingthe patient, and my friend, who
was 15 at the time, was swimmingout to get me, and I got in the
boat and I was all I was allpuffed up like a big fat woman.
So it was really bad.
I was having a reaction to thisthing.
And that's oh, and my friendfinally turned about 10 seconds

(17:12):
later, 30 seconds later, turnsup, let's make it a real rescue.
No, no, take me back in theboat.
And it's a let's make a realrescue.
Okay, you're a 15, 16-year-oldkid, what would you know?
So I'd get back in the water,burning, and my friend's like,
okay, I do not remember I don'tknow, and I was about 200 yards
out.
I do not remember going in.

(17:32):
I remember waking up on thebeach and the the examiner
saying, Help him, don't be solazy, he's just pretending
rescue.
My friend says, he's someone'staking him out, he's hurt.
And then I remember waking up inthe in the life clock surf club,
which is about 200 metres away.
Woke up again, lying on aconcrete slab as you do, and
some guy said, Damn, kid, youshould you should be in the

(17:53):
manual.
Well, the manual has stonefishbite stings, great white
attacks, uh, all sorts of nastythings.
Don't tell him that.
And classic 1979 behavior justsent me home.

SPEAKER_01 (18:07):
Rub some dirt on you.

SPEAKER_00 (18:10):
Uh maybe they could have, I wouldn't have known.
Um that did happen in the surfclub.
They put you, I did have to meetwe did have to meet some guys,
they put them in a cage wherethey put their alone in your
cans and they we on them.
Uh I didn't have to meet me.
Um pretty horrible things.

SPEAKER_02 (18:26):
I'm not convinced.

SPEAKER_00 (18:28):
Maybe.
Uh so anyway, I had that scarfor four years.
I had that scar for four years.
I only found out about fiveyears ago what that damn thing
was.
Because we didn't know that I Iexplained it.
I said, it sounds like a squid.
It wasn't a squid.
And this is weeks after this.
It's like squids don't go aroundattacking people.
Like it may be a Humboldt squid,but they're on the off the coast

(18:50):
of Mexico.
There's no Humboldt squid inAustralia.
Um uh then the Archetuthus, thegiant squid was a myth, so it
wasn't that.
Um, and I wouldn't know it was a65-foot squid, I wouldn't know
what it was.
It was something pretty weird.
Um, it was an octopus, it wasn'ta barramundi, it wasn't a uh no,
it's it's it wasn't a shark.

(19:12):
This thing was clear and it wasdetermined to eat me, and this
thing was swimming.
Why didn't it finish with me?
It swam away.
There's only one jellyfish thatcan swim, it's the box
jellyfish.
And we're told there's no boxjellyfish in Sydney, it's too
low.
But whether it's global warmingor hate speech or
transgenderism, I don't knowwhat it is.

(19:35):
It's bringing these things.
It's bringing these things downsouth.
And those life-saving exams,they only do them when the swell
is enormous.
They're like eight foot, tenfoot waves.
Now, being older now andsmarter, I know for a fact when
the swell's that big, it bringsin the bull sharks.
Um, it's like, oh my god, whatwas I thinking?

(19:57):
Um uh the so well you but whenyou're a lifesaver, you've got
to go out and guess people.
Um so anyway, so I went throughthat.
Uh well, I think I'm pretty sureand I found out many years
later, about five years ago,this happened in 979, that in
the big storms, occasionally acouple of stingers will come
down.

(20:17):
Um and they usually are notfatal, but they do kill some
people.
It's extremely Extremelypainful, very dangerous.
Because when I passed out, I'dpassed out.
I mean, you don't get passedout.
We call them blue bottles.
You guys call them man of war.
They're the little blue bottlewith this thing on it.
They're pretty nasty.
You don't pass out your son likethat.
Um, I used to do kickboxing, youget kicked in the face, punched

(20:39):
in the face.
I didn't pass out.
Uh, this thing was nasty.
And that changed my life.
No more, because I was learningFrench.
I was doing that for alife-saving sort of certificate.
I want to be a pilot or a flightattendant.
I was actually, I I actuallywanted to be a flight attendant.
And my sister said, Well, Chris,all the men are gay.

unknown (20:57):
I'm not doing that.

SPEAKER_00 (20:58):
My mother said, Don't tell me that.
I'll be a pilot.
Okay.
Okay.
So I um uh, but then I decided Idon't have anything to do with
this.
Um, and about two months later,I did the exam again at a
beautiful beach in Sydney calleda long reef.
And it has a little lagoon thatsometimes opens up, and when it
opens up, it has this massiveswell that you know, basically

(21:19):
river that goes into the oceanand takes you on, takes you out
to New Zealand.
And again, the swell was verybig.
It was a day before another day.
The thing was they failed me inthat exam.
They pretty well failed me.
I should have got a medal, andmy friend should have got a
bloody the purple star.
Um anyway, so I had to do theexam again, which I played with
passive flying colours.
But day before we were trainingagain, and they said the

(21:40):
lifesaver guy said, Chris, goand swim out there.
So I swim out there.
And after swimming about fiveminutes, I turned around,
they're like, Stop, stop.
And I was like, I thought it wasfunny because I was going like a
fast Olympic swimmer.
I was in this rip and I was justgoing towards New Zealand.
Now I knew if I kept goingacross it, and I'd be like, you
know, half mile down the beach,I'd get out of it.
Um but they they came out andgot me and they put a torpedo

(22:02):
torpedo tube around me, which isthe orange thing that's in the
beach is squishy, and they putit around your waist.
And they put that around me, andI think I had a big Malibu,
which is one of those really bigsurfboards, and these this this
this this set of waves camethrough.
I have a big I that's probably12 foot.
I mean, it looked like it'sabout a thousand foot.
There's massive waves, and theseare lifesavers are like 20 years
old than me.

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I said, What do you do?
What do I do?
Hold your breath, you piss meoff.
Okay, and um then I realized Iwas in I was in trouble.
But I'd I I was doing somethingstupid because I thought it was
funny.
Um and this swell just totallydestroyed us.
Uh I don't know how long I'm thewater for, it could be a minute.
And finally, when I could Icould breathe, I was in like a

(22:42):
foot of water, it pushed us allthe way in.
And that's to this, uh to thisday, those guys when I ran into
them, they're still gettingruined.
Uh and that's when I happened.
My father said to me thefollowing day, son, I think the
ocean's trying to toy yousomething.
And that's why I became adrummer.
I said, I'm just gonna bedrummer.
But the silly thing was, I wasone of Sydney's best roller
skaters then.
And I totally stopped rollerskating.

(23:04):
No kind of standard skates.
So I lost that.
But that I was a kid ball, don'tknow.
So it totally, and that threw meinto drums.
And because I had the passion ofroller skating and the passion
of uh, you know, essentiallyswimming with sharks and
jellyfishes, all life savers do,and I think surfers are amongst
the bravest people on theplanet.
They're just in the in thebeaches in Sydney and Queensland
and uh, you know, all aroundAustralia, these guys, and you

(23:25):
can California get them, SouthAfrica, these guys are they're
absolute beasts.
They are beasts.
They stand on these rocks, thesemassive swells, the beaches are
closed, they get on the rock,they get in their board, they go
out, they catch this you know15-foot wave, it could easily
kill them.
They break on the rocks, surfersare heroes.
Why it's not an Olympic sport, Idon't know.
It's just extreme athletes.

(23:45):
They're up there with basejumpers, though.
They're up there with basejumpers, up there with uh people
who are caving, they're up to upthere with uh military
personnel.
These guys are serious.
So I'd realize I was too wimpyto be a surfer.
Of course I can bathe and I canbody surf, but no, these guys
are extreme.
Yeah, and I've realized I I needto do something else.

SPEAKER_02 (24:04):
Yeah, I mean, you're a little bitch for getting out
there with sharks and jellystays.

SPEAKER_00 (24:07):
Well, you don't think you don't think of it?
It's like going camping inKanda.
You don't think of the bears.
I mean, the chance of meeting abear is remote.
And you do meet it, it's likeyou've got pig blood, put it
over yourself, it's like hittingwith a stick.
You know, no one's gonna dothat.
Um yeah, people do get attackedby bears, uh, people do get
attacked by sharks, but morepeople get killed by vending
machines.

(24:30):
Because you know a studentshaking them and it falls on
them.
Well, Chris, I thought you said,I want I want to say I want to
say that.

SPEAKER_02 (24:36):
I thought you know this, but like when when a shark
attacks you do the same thingthat you do as a bear, you just
yell at it and make yourselfbig.

SPEAKER_00 (24:43):
And uh it'll it'll see what people I get is uh a
nine-foot shark, okay, a womanwas uh attacked in, I think it
was Australia like a coupleweeks ago.
It was only a six-foot shark.
This only six-foot shark removedremoved her foot, removed her
foot, removed her left hand, andremoved half her arm.
Only a six-foot shark.

(25:05):
Only a three-foot shark can ripyour shoulder off.
Now, a nine-foot shark is thiswide, okay?
A twelve-foot shark is thiswide.
A sixteen-foot shark, you can'tput your hands around it.
A nine-foot shark, uh, uh atronosaurus rectuscape, not
today.

SPEAKER_02 (25:27):
Not today, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 (25:28):
Many scientists believe that the great white
made the um uh megalodongextinct.
Because it just swimming ringsaround it and ate all its food.

unknown (25:37):
Really?

SPEAKER_00 (25:38):
The car carrot and carat and cacaris, the great
white shark, yes.
Sharks are I love sharks.
I I I totally know them.
Um the so the big sharks.
What's that?

SPEAKER_02 (25:52):
That's why you wanted to swim with the sharks
and be good friends.
You like that?

SPEAKER_00 (25:55):
Well, that lady does, that lady who wears those
fancy striped websuit wet suits,so she looks like a um sea snake
with the big fins.
No, she's well known on onTikTok and YouTube.
Uh blonde blonde blonde Americanlady, I think.
But she's encouraged people toswim with sharks.
And and this woman who uh awoman, I think it was in Egypt,
she wanted to get uh a photowith a shark.

(26:15):
I mean, who gets a photo of ashark?
That was a six-foot shark thatput up that must be in, I don't
know if it's Egypt or Australia.
That was right, she was taking atrying to take a selfie with a
shark.
Why don't you try a hyena nexttime and see how she goes?
What's that move that show?
I'm not really a big fan ofAmerican shows.
So what's that show,Yellowstone?
There's a scene.
Uh, I don't watch these things.
Um, I haven't got time for it,but I saw it on YouTube where

(26:38):
the great Kevin Costner is on afarmer or something, there's
these Chinese tourists lookingat a uh uh a moose or something,
and he says, get out of here,says it looks friendly.
It's not friendly, it's it's soit's not friendly.

SPEAKER_02 (26:51):
It's a classic American farmer.
I didn't know for the longesttime moose were incredibly
aggressive, violent animals.
I didn't know that.
I'd have tried to pet one.
You tried to pet one?
No, I would.
I I didn't know.
I I didn't know for the longesttime, and I'm a friend of the
animals.

(27:11):
Oh bigger than a horse.
I could have made friends withit.

SPEAKER_00 (27:17):
Because it's like one of those things out of uh
the hobbit.
It's like one of those thingsthat the hobbit should ride.
That's the kind of thing.
The lion sees that lion's gonnago, no, I'm gonna go the other
way.
So yeah, so uh then I became adrummer and started practicing
all the time.
And I told me before about I wasstruggling at school.

(27:40):
If you ask my brother, Nick,awesome, uh, he's a year a year
and a half older than me.
Yeah, same, same, same thing,yeah.
Uh, the other one's Jeremy, he'solder, all great, love them all.
The um Nick was every everyreport I'd get, it's like
Christian is very enthusiastic.
Christian works hard in class,Christian is a wonderful
student, Christian's work issatisfactory.

(28:01):
So, what they're telling you,Chris, is that you suck it at
the teacher's ass and you'rethick as ten bricks.
That's what that tells you.
Every report, well, my reportsays Nicholas needs to behave
himself more, Nicholas needs tolisten to the teacher more.
Nicholas's grades arephenomenal.
So what they're telling you isI'm not gonna suck it with the
teacher and I'm a brain.
So you're the thick head, I'mthe smart one.
Uh, he said, that's why when Iwas 10, I read the hobbit and

(28:22):
understood, not the hobbit, Iread Lord of the Rings and
understood it.
You couldn't even say Lord ofthe Rings, you'd say Lord of the
Wings.
You couldn't say rings, you'dsay rings.
So you couldn't even say thetitle, and I read the whole book
and I was 10.
He was true.
So I was struggling always atschool.
Mum and dad never told me I wasa moron.
Uh, best they didn't tell methat.
Um You wouldn't have understood.
And that now they realized whenI was set because you were a

(28:45):
moron.
No, it's too darn.
I don't know.
Mor Moron.
What's a moron?
Is that someone from Lord of theRings, Moron?
Where's Moron?
He's with uh Theodore.
I thought Theodore was the guywith the eye on the sky.
Who's the guy with theodore?

SPEAKER_01 (28:59):
Who's the guy with the eye?
Who's that?

SPEAKER_02 (29:02):
The what?
The eye.
The guy with the eye.
Oh, I thought you were talkingabout King Theodor.
See, I went even deeper.

SPEAKER_00 (29:08):
Theodore told you see, are you a bit of a fan of
our talking?
You've been a c talking as well,are you, Tony?

SPEAKER_02 (29:15):
It's a problem.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (29:16):
Yeah, it's it's a problem.
Yes.
Have you got the figurines?
Full size?
You got them in?

SPEAKER_02 (29:21):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (29:22):
Yes.
Have you got a Megan doll?

SPEAKER_02 (29:24):
I don't have the full size, but I had all of the
I have I still have all thefigures.
I don't even like it.

SPEAKER_00 (29:29):
Have you seen the Megan doll?

SPEAKER_02 (29:32):
The what?

SPEAKER_00 (29:33):
Megan doll is fantastic.
She's sitting in the corner.
It's like it looks so real.
It's like it's just a doll.
It's just like it's a bit bit offoam, but it's so like just
freaky.
I've got to get a Megan doll.
Just to freak out the nose.

SPEAKER_02 (29:43):
The horror movie Megan?

SPEAKER_00 (29:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Very, very cool.
Fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 (29:47):
Well, they have that?

SPEAKER_00 (29:48):
Oh, it's very cool.
Very creepy.
And you can move her eyes.
You can move her eyes around.
She's just a under under thedress, just all foam, but just
looking at her face, like, thatlooks like Megan.
Pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 (29:58):
Are you sure that's all she has under the dress
quit?

SPEAKER_00 (30:02):
You need to talk to someone.
You need to sit down.

SPEAKER_02 (30:05):
I could get every week why we have this podcast.

SPEAKER_00 (30:11):
Oh my god.
I watched that.
I've never thought of such athing.
It's a robot.
Give me a break.

SPEAKER_02 (30:16):
A cute little robot that I mean, even Zappa knew sex
bots were gonna happen, so hedid know that.

SPEAKER_00 (30:23):
But you sort of go to vending machines and look
around the back.

SPEAKER_02 (30:27):
Go to the back door on a vending machine?
What are you doing?
Put your own cream filling inthe pie?

SPEAKER_00 (30:38):
In Sydney and go, that one bite's pretty cute.
What are you gonna play with theinland type hand steak?
See what he does here.
Give him a kiss.
You got thirty mi you got thirtyyou got thirty minute minutes
left after that one.
Just sit down and enjoy theride.
That thing bites you dead.

(30:59):
The um I like the brown snake.
Uh not only does it kill you, ifyou survive it, you've got to
cut your arm off.
Because it what's it callednecrosis?
When your skin starts to rot.
So bloody brown snake.
It's not brown, it's golden.
I don't know what they call abrown snake.
Um, there's footage on YouTubeof uh some old Australian guy
walking uh along a path.
He just kicks a brown snake outof the way.

(31:20):
Couldn't give a shit.

SPEAKER_02 (31:21):
That's what you on the dogs would do.
You're just like I wouldn't kicka brown snake.

SPEAKER_00 (31:25):
He's kicks it several times.
It's brown snake.
Obviously, the brown snake'slike, why are you kicking me?

SPEAKER_01 (31:31):
Why can't we not exist?

SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
Why can't we exist exactly?
Yeah, we all do.
Anyway, so the uh yeah, so umand Tolkien's fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 (31:39):
I love it.

SPEAKER_00 (31:40):
Like I I can't I I mean Peter Jackson teases us as
you know, Nick, uh you know,Tony.
Oh, we've got about nine hoursfootage of our Lord of the
Rings.
Release it! I'll buy it.
And what's he what's his name?
Um uh Matt Walsh the other daywas having a podcast saying, you
know, Lord of the Rings and theHobbit, it's just too long.
And all the comments are like,you're wrong, you're wrong.
It's not long enough.
It's gotta be longer.

SPEAKER_02 (32:02):
Oh yeah, it's just for bringing that up because I
gotta tell you, when I show whenI show anybody Lord of the
Rings, it is the extendedversions, and I'm like, Oh,
fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 (32:13):
It's not enough.
Yeah, I know there's more, yougot more in there, mate.

SPEAKER_02 (32:16):
You could never have too much.

SPEAKER_00 (32:20):
And no movies, no movies come close to that
production.
Just I must admit though, in alot in in fellowship, when
they're going through, when theywhen they're about to fight the
uh when they've just fought theum uh the uh um battle rock, is
it the the fire monster?
Yeah, okay.
And they get to falling off thebridge, uh, it looks a bit
dodgy.
That's the only scene theydidn't get right.
It looks a bit dodgy.

SPEAKER_02 (32:39):
Um you gotta remember that was done in 2001.

SPEAKER_00 (32:41):
I mean, they were other than other than that three
seconds, it's still 100%perfect.
Nothing's come near it.
Uh you compared to like the MegMeg 2.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (32:52):
Meg 2 is pretty great.

SPEAKER_00 (32:54):
The first three minutes was fantastic.
The first three minutes wasfantastic.
Um bit like Jeepers Creeper'spart four, the last one, Reborn.
The first four minutes, it'slike the first movie.
What happened?
Now it's like a Disney mask.
Um, yeah, but you just watch thefirst four minutes.
Or um Halloween, the end, thefinal one.

(33:14):
It's like this is terrible.
I waited all these years, andsome some monkey wearing the
Halloween marks mask ruins it.
Then you give me five minutes ofgood stuff at the end.
What is this?
What uh uh why did the directordo that?
Why?
You gotta redo it.
You can't do that to us.
You can't do it.

SPEAKER_02 (33:33):
I agree.
I I agree.
I was very disappointed.

SPEAKER_00 (33:35):
I thought we put up with Evil Diet us tonight.
We put up with evil diestonight, we put up with that,
okay?
You were just rocking the thethe second last one was
fantastic with the fire andstuff, and then you've got some
guy wearing a mask.
What does that remind me whatdoes that remind me of?
It reminds me of the Howling 2.
It's like, hang on, I thoughtthis was meant to be a werewolf
movie.
It's like uh um, I don't know,anyway.

(33:57):
So yeah, we're not all dayobviously a horror fan.
Or a fan of all cinema.

SPEAKER_02 (34:01):
I was gonna say you know horror films better than I
do.
I know them decently well, butthat's I don't I've never seen
Howling Two.

unknown (34:07):
Fuck.

SPEAKER_00 (34:09):
When you're young and you got a video cover the
first time, you go through everysingle horror movie in the
shelf, uh, and you realize thatyou can't judge bookballs cover.
Some of those movies are prettybad.
Uh, I remember Slush was verybad.
Um, someone cutting people up.
It was obviously a plastic dummywith big blood in it or
something.
It's like, this is just stupid.
Um, but I noticed in the inthere, my favorite movies in the
80s, which they're trying to banthem, but they're they'll

(34:30):
they'll call classics.
Blackula, the black Dracula, andBlackenstein.
And in Blackula, whenever awoman got attacked, she'd always
bear her breasts.
And they always were large.
They always would bear theirbreasts.
That was an 80s thing.
Uh they didn't chopping them allto the same thing.
Uh it's always bad.
It's like, what was that?
It's funny.

SPEAKER_01 (34:50):
It's very cool.

SPEAKER_00 (34:52):
Blackula was great.
It's just a great it's soracist.
It's fantastic.
They have a white white blackear is white yulah.
Yellow, yellow yulah, yellowyulah, um, brown yellow.

SPEAKER_02 (35:03):
Yellow yuler.
You can't.

SPEAKER_00 (35:06):
So okay, I so don't too far off.
Okay, so so there you go.
So movies, movies are great.
And we love we love talking.
We're not gonna we're not gonnajust discuss why he didn't use
the eagles in the Lord of theRings.
We're not gonna discuss that.
Just pretend the Eagles is a lotof things.
Yeah.
It gets soft.

SPEAKER_02 (35:24):
You guys can look it up.

unknown (35:25):
It's a thing.

SPEAKER_02 (35:26):
It's fantastic.
It's a thing.

SPEAKER_00 (35:27):
Just let's go.

SPEAKER_02 (35:28):
We're losing Tony.
He's he's he's l he's loving.
Well, full disclosure, I whatwas the first movie?
He doesn't even know the name ofit, Chris.
No.

SPEAKER_00 (35:38):
Fellowship of the Ring.

SPEAKER_02 (35:39):
Fellowship of the Rings.
I took a really, really goodnap.

SPEAKER_00 (35:44):
Oh, you didn't like it.
Did you read the book beforewatching it?
No.
Oh, there's your problem.
Okay.
So good.
Did you watch uh Return of the Guh um uh the Two Towers?

SPEAKER_02 (35:55):
I didn't bother with any of the rest of them because
I was already so rested I didn'tneed another nap.

SPEAKER_00 (36:01):
Okay, so we're the one is uh Tiny's- I thought Tiny
was a Tolkien.
We're the Tolkien's.

SPEAKER_02 (36:05):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (36:07):
Oh okay, okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (36:09):
Oh yeah.
He he's a he's a thug guard.
We don't like him.
Yeah, I'm an idiot when it comesto that, but I mean I'm we can
talk some horror.
Um I are you a slepaway campfan?

SPEAKER_00 (36:19):
Which one?

SPEAKER_02 (36:20):
Sleep away camp.
Have you have you not seenSleepaway Camp?

SPEAKER_00 (36:25):
Is that something like Friday the 13th?
Uh uh.

SPEAKER_02 (36:28):
No, it's uh sleep.
It's it is it's not a greatmovie, but it's great because
it's not a great movie.
If you well, like the disasterartist, did you ever see that?
No.
Have you seen that?
I think it was it's based off amovie called The Room.

(36:51):
And they spent like millions ofdollars on it, and it's so, so
bad.
Um, but Sleepaway Camp, verysimilar.
I want to tell you absolutelynothing about it because if you
watch it, I want it to hit youright in the face the way it
hit.
The twist is good.
The twist is good.
The twist is good, but that'sit.

SPEAKER_00 (37:12):
And Jay, is it like Friday the third?

SPEAKER_02 (37:16):
I mean, it's it's similar that it's a slasher, and
then of course, Sleep Away 2 andSleepaway 3 just becomes the Oh
no, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (37:25):
I they realize the bread the breast breast gets
ticker cells, okay, which islike strange.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (37:29):
Yeah.
Which is fun based on theoriginal surprise.
Yeah, true.
Good point.

SPEAKER_00 (37:36):
So So what's it what's it called?

SPEAKER_02 (37:40):
Sleepaway camp.

SPEAKER_00 (37:42):
I was thinking breakaway creek.
Okay.
Sleep sleepaway camp.
Sleepaway camp.

SPEAKER_02 (37:47):
What was the Dale and somebody Dale and uh oh um
that one I like that one too?
Tucker and Dale.
Tucker and Dale.
Fight or fight evil something.

SPEAKER_00 (37:58):
Do you like slashers?
Have you seen have you seen WolfCreek one and two?

SPEAKER_02 (38:03):
No, the birds.

SPEAKER_00 (38:04):
Oh, have you seen Nick?

SPEAKER_02 (38:07):
Yeah, I've seen the birds.
Yeah, I have.

SPEAKER_01 (38:14):
He's dead.
Chris.
Chris! Come back to us.
Come back to us, Chris.
Another jellyfish.

SPEAKER_00 (38:21):
Another jellyfish.
So I think Elon's um what ElonElon's uh satellite supply.
Yeah, it's Chibi's Chippy C B.
Well, what was he's apolitician?
I don't know who's a politician.
Weird.

(38:41):
Um the uh embracing the two.

SPEAKER_02 (38:46):
Hey, Chris, this is from Elon.

SPEAKER_00 (38:50):
I don't know whether that's actually throwing uh
probably I don't think it'snasty because I mean the Tamara
did as well, but uh it's likeit's like yeah, but uh it's
probably not but you know thishouse, just go like that or do
this.
Don't do that.
You know people are gonna playon it.
Um I know he's autistic andwhatever, but so I don't really
care.
I th I thought I was fairlycareless.
Um I don't really care.

(39:12):
So the uh uh don't listen, Elon.

SPEAKER_02 (39:14):
Not that we get political on this show, but you
know the whole thing.

SPEAKER_00 (39:17):
No, we don't get political at all.
Um uh and I voted for Kamalaanyway, so it doesn't matter.
Um the uh Are you serious rightnow?
I was gonna say it's it's a uhvote for Kamala.

SPEAKER_02 (39:27):
I couldn't I do that, I'm just kidding.
I was like, that is not theChris I remember.

SPEAKER_00 (39:35):
Um the um because in Australia we've got elections
suited.
I always vote for the animalparty.
I'd rather vote for a cow than ahuman.
I trust the cow over a human.
And these people are probablyhorrible, but so I just like
okay, you're gonna you're gonnaget I'm gonna vote number one
for animal party and number twofor the marijuana party.
Uh because my mother uses uhmedical cannabis, so I'm gonna

(39:57):
vote.
I'm not voting for one of these.
You know, I promise I do this, Ido that.
Well, why didn't you do that forthe last four years?
Uh anyway, it's not gonna gothere.
But I was saying Wolf Creekparts one and two, which has
done nothing for Australiantourism.
Uh, it's based on the killingsof uh other millets, it was a
serial killer, and they don'tknow how many people he killed.
He died in jail a few years ago.
Uh, check it out.
It's very good.

(40:17):
Based on true true vets, yes.
And the um uh backpackersmurders.
I mean it's like is this Seeingthat movie, I actually
experienced.
Um you were killed by the I Iremember being this exact same
happened to the movie whathappened to me.
I was at a at a pub in um uhrural New South Wales, nice
area.
I walk in this pub, I was ontour, and this guy walks up and

(40:38):
says, Where are you from, mate?
Sydney, it's the capital of thecountry.
Now, poof is a homosexual inAustralia.

SPEAKER_02 (40:45):
We're gonna have to explain.
Oh, you just said it.

SPEAKER_00 (40:48):
It's an English expression.
Uh poof the capital of thecountry.
It's like, and that actuallysaid that actual line is
actually in Wolf Creek.
They've done the research.
It's uh and the the the personin the country's town's not
being rude to me.
To them, it's the poof to coverthe country.
You have the gay Mardi Gradthere, you guys look pretty
pansy, you're scared of spidersand snakes, so you're poof.
Um it's how it works.

(41:08):
It's uh you'd have those guys uhin in the farmers in America,
you know, you know, you know,got soft hands.
You're you're you know, you'reyou're a bit more on the uh the
left side of the field, um,which it may not be, but that
you can't blame these guys,they're tough men.
It's like uh Kevin Costnersaying, it looks friendly, it's
not friendly, get out of here, amoose will kill you.
Um yeah, farmers are toughpeople to me.

SPEAKER_02 (41:30):
Well, it came full circle too.
Back to the back.

SPEAKER_00 (41:34):
Okay, came back to Kevin Costner in Yellowstone,
which I've never seen the show,I have no interest in it.
Um uh yeah, more of a Mel Gibsonfan myself rather than Kevin
Costner.
Oh, I don't I don't like I loveWaterworld.
The trick of Waterworld, youlike turn the screen off?
Just just let's listen to let mefinish.
Turn the screen off, just listento the music.

(41:54):
The music was fantastic.
Fantastic.
Uh have you heard have you heardpeople say, I must ask me, said,
Did you see Waterworld?
I listened to it.

SPEAKER_02 (42:04):
Yep, that's exactly right.
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (42:06):
It's a very good score.
Very good score.
There's some great schools.
Um, so they are you know, so Idon't really talk much drummer
much now, but yeah, so um uhlove for uh cinema, which
Holloway seems to be doing hisbest to destroy it.
But always the gem comesthrough, like Nosferatu or um uh
what's another one that's gonethrough.
What's another great movie'sgone through recently?
Um I thought I liked Wonka.

(42:27):
That was nice.
Having a child was nice to seeWonka in some nice singing.
There was no gayness, there wasno messages.
I like Wonka.

SPEAKER_02 (42:33):
Did you see a Nora?
Oh, I haven't seen that one yet.

SPEAKER_00 (42:36):
Uh the best picture?

SPEAKER_02 (42:38):
Anora, the one that won best picture.
Not that anybody gives a shitabout it.

SPEAKER_00 (42:41):
Oh, that's one about the uh the trans people know no
interest at all.
No, thank you.
Not really my thing, I think.

SPEAKER_02 (42:46):
Well that's not a Nora.
Anora's the one about the umstripper who falls in love with
the Russian kid and all that.
This is a pedo movie, isn't it?
Kind of?

SPEAKER_00 (43:00):
Um not not in the pedo movies.
Uh not not into it.
Um not my thing, so I've I havea child.
That doesn't go down well withme.

SPEAKER_02 (43:07):
I thought because you wanted the Megan doll in the
corner, you it might be yourthing.

SPEAKER_00 (43:11):
What megaphone?
The mega the Megan doll youwanted in the corner of your Oh
you you're you're obsessed withthis mega thing.
What do you want that what areyou thinking?
How do you it's a robot?
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 (43:29):
It's a child, it's a child.
Hey, there's no, we don't knowthat Megan was a child.
M3, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 (43:36):
Looks like a child's rain.

SPEAKER_02 (43:38):
She might just be a midget first.
Oh shit.
Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (43:42):
With a child's face.

SPEAKER_02 (43:44):
Just very young that like Rick Holman had.
He was small and he looked likea kid.
Oh, I can think of as Projurianow, and that's the other way.
Whether you look old.
He was a dog that came.
Um no.
What were we talking about?
Did you ask how old he was?

SPEAKER_01 (44:05):
Who?

SPEAKER_02 (44:06):
Tony, I could have sworn you just asked how old he
was.
I could have sworn that's what Iheard.
No, I just no one cares.
I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_00 (44:13):
No one cares.
So the uh yeah, I like the Meganmovie.
I mean it's better movies.
I thought Terminator was Ithought it was a a cheap take on
Terminator myself, but still itwas, you know.
I mean Terminator is much betterthan Megan.
Uh it still plays.
Uh Arnie wasn't trying to becool.
That was a scary movie.
That was a fantastic movie.
Then they then they're then theyruined it after it's kind of

(44:35):
silly.
Yeah, it just ruined it, ruinedit.

SPEAKER_02 (44:37):
Um we're uh we should uh bring this back.
Sorry, I'm really enjoying thisconversation.
There's an episode five and sixout of this.
Uh anyway.

SPEAKER_00 (44:48):
Thomas.

SPEAKER_02 (44:49):
Oh, I'm just kidding.
I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_00 (44:50):
Um 1242.

SPEAKER_02 (44:53):
Yeah.
Are you are you on a timeconstraint?
I've got another uh hour and ahalf.
You got another interview comingup?

SPEAKER_00 (45:03):
Hour and a half.

SPEAKER_02 (45:04):
You got another podcast interview coming up?

SPEAKER_00 (45:06):
No, I've got an uh another hour and a half with
you.

SPEAKER_02 (45:09):
Oh, I'm sorry.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (45:12):
My accent.

SPEAKER_02 (45:12):
Let's let's let's uh let's um let's move on to like
um I wanted to get into so youmentioned you know obviously
drumming help you develop, youknow, more mental mental
faculty, I don't know what youwant to call it.
And taught him to stay away fromMoose.
And also taught you to stay awayfrom me.

SPEAKER_01 (45:32):
Absolutely, I don't like those animals.

SPEAKER_02 (45:35):
You what?
I don't like those animals.
Oh, so you already knew that.
Okay, good.
Well you didn't have to learnthat from drumming.

SPEAKER_00 (45:42):
Yeah?
But what I was gonna say is Ilearned that from I learned that
from rocking bull wiggle.
I had that card.
Watch me pull the rabbit out ofthis.
He's got he's got a car.
The animation was dodgy.
He loves his side contact.
I was more of a pink panther guymyself.
He needs to exactly rock him.
I like Tiny.

(46:02):
I like why Tiny does.
I like that.
No, I like it.

SPEAKER_02 (46:05):
No, I got you back and watch it.

SPEAKER_00 (46:07):
Yeah, you can watch it.

SPEAKER_02 (46:11):
But um one thing we talked about that actually I
found so fascinating is youtalked about how rhythm you feel
what it would you sayintrinsically, is that the right
word?
Like, because you mentioned whenwe were talking before, like
through a video chat, that whenyou heard me talk, you could
feel the rhythm or like the umvibrations, was it?

(46:34):
Do you remember talking aboutthat?
Explain that because that's veryinteresting because you talked
about how that's kind of aserene kind of flow state for
you.

SPEAKER_00 (46:45):
No, I'm doing it, I'm doing it now.
That that okay, that's my um,which I didn't discover until
about I think it was like 2000,it was in 2018 or 19.
Where it was in Hong Kong.
Um, the that's my uh autonomousautonomous sensory meridian

(47:05):
response, which most peopledon't realize.
That's ASMR.
And those videos online are notautonomous sensory meridian
response.
They're just, you know, someoneput someone to sleep, which is
just nonsense.
Uh and it works, good luck tothem.
Um I don't know why most of themare women with makeup on showing
the boobs.
I don't know what that is, so Idon't know whether ASMR has

(47:26):
nothing to say at all.
It's just it's just pathetic.
Um uh it's I mean just in theenvironment.
I I got I I've gone out, I cango back and do it now.
Um, as a kid, when I was likethree, I used to rock in the
chair.
I'd sit in my I'd fold my legsin like like this, and I'd I'd

(47:47):
rock on the chair, and I'd rockalong to um uh Herb Albert and
the Tion of Brass and uh JohnnyCash and the the Hollies, I love
the hollies, and I'd just youknow rock along with them.
And then also I wouldn't rock, II just feel the music where
there's no music, and I'd feelthis feeling over my body, and
I'd think, go away, go away, goaway.
I don't want this feeling.

(48:07):
I thought because I thought if Itold Mum and Dad had this
feeling, they would take me awayand do things to me, you know,
the doctors and they experimenton me, so I didn't tell anyone.
So my life great back to that.
The um uh the uh um so all mylife of you know I go to like a

(48:29):
department store, they wrap agift for me, it's fantastic.
They're wrapping the gift justlike you just do the whole day.
Or I'm um I'm sitting in a uh adental office when I get my
teeth done, sitting in the chairwith a surrounded by old
magazines, and uh someone wasyou know type it's just like

(48:50):
this is incredible.
Or I'm sitting on uh on somegrass and I hear the wind in the
trees where it is.
I just it's just like this isjust fantastic.
So it could be a person, itcould be nature that totally
relaxes me.
Uh and it's the the best feelingin my life.
The best.

(49:10):
I mean over everything.
Um and I I I thought I was aweirdo and was um 2018.
I was having my best friend'scall Easton, he's a fantastic
guitarist, he's known as Congo.
Um, and he talks about he hasreally high levels of
synesthesia.
So you see, he's like ElvinJones.

(49:30):
He he got me into Elvin Jonesbecause I thought I didn't
really get Elvin Jones.
He said, Well, listen to thisinterview.
And Elvin's talking about allthe colours uh and the album he
does with Elvin Jones does JohnColtrane, I just love it's just
drums and a saxophone.
They're just exploring colours.
Um and I don't even know.
I uh Eason's played it to mewhen I'm when I go to Hong Kong,

(49:51):
he plays it to me.
I don't know the album though.
Um but you'd find it.
It's just it's just JohnColtrane and Elvin Jones.
And the um I then got understoodwhere Elvin's coming from.
Uh the and so Easton will say,Oh, this is because we he he
he's saying I don't playkeyboards.
Okay, I don't play keyboards.
Uh do the theme the Robocopplays the theme the Robocop.

(50:12):
Uh, do the thing whole A50 does,Hawaii 50.
Uh do Sound of Music does Soundof Music does it.
Any any TV show doesn't all.
Uh play the mount, play um butuh bum bum, you know, play uh
chameleon, does chameleon.
Um do um uh Spain does Spain.
So you're playing keyboards.
No, I'm just I'm just chasingthe colours.
I just chase colours.
So he's just every note's got acolour.

(50:33):
And I was talking about myfeelings of hate.
He said, Oh, that's you shouldlook up on that.
And it's it turns out ASMR aboutI don't know what the exact
percentage is.
Tony might know more becausehe's a music therapist.
I believe it's about 20% ofpeople experience it, but about
2% of those people experiencevery experience it very
intently.
I very intensely, I do.
Um and it's uh it seems to be onthe cusp of uh synesthesia.

(50:57):
It's not as good as whatEaston's got.
It's not that.
It's not that.
And you know, there are manypeople who had there.
John Blackwell Jr., greatmusician.
He had it.
Uh I'm sure Mozart had it.
It's just it's it's they they umit's there's a guy I met in Hong
Kong years ago.
I was doing a about six yearsago, I was doing a jazz gig.

(51:21):
And he can't be at the end ofthe gig, he said, Oh, you're so
fantastic.
I love the golds and the blues,the greens.
I said, Oh, you you what do youmean?
Well, you hit that's gold, itdid colours.
And I said, um I said, uh, ifyou've got synesthesia, he said,
I don't know what you mean.
I said, what colour is this?
I hit a drum, he'd say a certaincolour.

(51:41):
He said, everything has acolour.
I said, do you think everyonethinks of that?
Oh, everyone must have this.
No, and no one has this.
Few people have this.
It's called synesthesia.
It's like, oh, I thought it wascrazy.
No, it's a skill you've got.
I said, what do you do?
He said, he's like, I look likea homeless guy.
I said, I'm thinking this guy'sgonna be something.
He said, I'm an artist.

(52:02):
I just read what do you do aredo you commission to do work or
you just do it on the side?
Uh yeah, I was commissioned todo a painting of uh, I think it
was the Queen of England, and itwas on a big building in Hong
Kong.
Uh wow.
And he and he's he was obviouslya fantastic artist.
Um a guy I went to school with,I don't know if he's got it,
I've not asked him about it.
I won't mention his name.
He was uh a fairly quiet boy atschool.

(52:24):
Um I don't know whether it's twoor three Archibald Prizes he's
won.
When you when you win anArchibald Prize, you paint the
Prime Minister of Australia oryou paint the King of England.
That's what you paint, and it'sput in one of the major museums
in the world.
You get paid a fortune to dothat.
Now, I don't I didn't even knowhe was an artist.
Um he was the other one whododged the bullet of these

(52:46):
creepy teachers to teach at myschool.
Uh the um, but anyway, so I havethis thing where it's sort of um
I feel rhythm in a differentway.
Maybe it's worse than otherthings.
I don't know.
It's all all I am.
I know I just sort of it's verydangerous when I drive because I
can go into a trance when Idrive drive.
I can't do it then.

(53:07):
Because uh, if I'm sitting backwith a taxi, it's just amazing.
For like I feel sometimes fortax drivers, look, if I give you
like$20,000, can you drivearound Australia?
I just just oh, it's amazing.
I love it.
Airplanes is hideous.
I hate airplanes.
There's the energy in airplanesis wrong.
I don't know what the vibration,I don't like it.
I can't stand airplanes.
Uh boats, don't like it.

SPEAKER_02 (53:26):
All those motherfucking snakes.

SPEAKER_00 (53:28):
It's the snakes, it's the snakes.
It's transgenderism and hatespeech.
That's what's causing it too.
Um, the um, don't forget it,can't let that go.
Can't let it go, not gonna letit go, not gonna let it go, not
gonna let it go.
You said it now, staying.
That's what you said.
Um, it's unbelievable.
The um uh and no one reallyexplained what happened.

(53:49):
That plane candle flipped upsidedown.
No one really explained whathappened to that.
What happened to that?

SPEAKER_02 (53:53):
The snakes got control of the good time.

SPEAKER_00 (53:56):
It seems like it's there's a lot of uh uh was so
many males running the ship.
Um it seems like it seems likebut it sounds like it seems like
there were females who weren'tas qualified as I should have
been, but they're there becausethey're females, rather than
females who were qualified andweren't there, maybe they
weren't as good-looking enough.
I don't know, I wasn't there.
Um it's just all and whathappened to the drones?
What happened to all thosedrones?

(54:16):
What happened to the drones?
You mean in America?
And they're not drones.
Drones have little propellers.
Things and things had nopropellers, they're like flying
saucers.
Where are they?

SPEAKER_02 (54:30):
They're everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 (54:31):
Are they drone?
But these are things up for like12 hours size of a car.
I mean, what are they?

SPEAKER_02 (54:36):
They didn't tell us.
We really don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (54:39):
Donald Trump said it's uh Donald Trump said it was
just um Donald Trump said it wasjust uh Legendromes.
Who has a car drone that staysup for two days?

SPEAKER_02 (54:49):
Yeah, it it uh it it's just that they say the
government's doing it.
I mean, we uh nope, not gonna doit.
I was gonna go on a reading.

SPEAKER_00 (54:57):
I think I think I think it goes back to Stephen,
and I I think that goes back toum uh what's his name, the guy
who exposed uh S4 Air 51.
What's his name?
Um the scientist with the bigglasses looked like Jeff Acaro.
What's his name?
Um no, um uh no no uh he was hewas on Joe Rogan a few years
ago.
Uh and not Dr.

(55:18):
Stephen Greer, um Oh let me findit, hang on Billy S4 No, um uh
Leonardo DiCaprio.

SPEAKER_02 (55:28):
Yeah, Leonardo DiCaprio, uh he likes him young.
Christian Bryan.
Was it Christian Bryan?

SPEAKER_00 (55:36):
Uh Christian Stephen John Bryan.
Uh here we go.
Who's the S4 Area 51 guy?
Him, uh Bob Lazar.

SPEAKER_02 (55:53):
Ah yes.

SPEAKER_00 (55:57):
Why am I talking about Bob Lazar?
Why am I talking about BobLazar?

SPEAKER_02 (56:00):
What was your question, collar?
Oh, collar, yes.
Um, no, I have no idea, Chris.

SPEAKER_00 (56:06):
So so the uh yeah, the colour.

SPEAKER_02 (56:08):
I can't keep up with my own head here.

SPEAKER_00 (56:10):
No, so so then anyway, so I I I have this thing
which um uh where I just sort ofit just it uh I feel rhythm in a
certain way and um and melodyand harmony, I feel it in a
certain way.
That's what I was gonna say.
That's what I was gonna say isthat because I feel it and hear
it this way, it gives me areally strong um sense of timber

(56:31):
of an instrument.
And I discussed before I hatethe sound of a bass drum beater
staying against the head.
I can't stand it.

SPEAKER_02 (56:38):
I knew he was gonna get on that.
I knew he was gonna get it.

SPEAKER_00 (56:42):
Unless it's Charlie Watts, I won't put up with it.
He's the only guy put up withit.
Because when he played his jazzband, it was released.
I can't.
I mean, I love seeing Rick RickBeatle.
Rick Beatto talking Rick Viottotalking about this.
I love that.
Rick Viotto does a great uhvideo on this.
Um you want to slam it in,that's great.
But I can listen to recording,I'll tell you whether they're

(57:03):
using whether it's stayingagainst or coming off.
It's really obvious to me.
Um, I can I I can I can tellyou, okay.
I know he's in he's I know thatguy's sponsored by DW.
That's not a DW drum set.
Sorry.
That's not Slingerland or aPremier or a Ludwig Sony.
That's not a DW.
Sorry.
Not it.
And they're not as I rememberyou hearing years ago um Chad

(57:25):
Smith thinking, they're notsapien symbols.
They sound like pasties.
And later he came out andstarted using pasty symbols.

SPEAKER_02 (57:33):
Um I mean, I can hear the difference between
symbols, but I wouldn't be ableto tell you what brand it was.

SPEAKER_00 (57:39):
I get pretty close.
I mean, Stuart Copeland hasalways used Tama and Piste.
You can hear it.
Hey, what an incrediblemusician.

SPEAKER_02 (57:48):
Yeah, I mean, different different kits and
different symbols have verydistinct qualities, but if the
if you wind them up, I certainlycouldn't tell you that's a that,
that's a that in a way.

SPEAKER_00 (57:55):
And a lot of those record early recordings of Gad,
that was Gretsch.
It wasn't Yamaha.

SPEAKER_02 (58:01):
Yeah, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (58:03):
But that's it.
I love drummers like like uh ManGini and Steve Gadd and Greg
Bisonet, uh Mick Flipwood.
They're they're coming off andthey know when to bury it.
Well, someone like Thomas Lang,he buries it.
When he plays soft, though, itcomes off.
It's very interesting.
Or the great uh Jar Robertson,he he goes like that, but
sometimes he comes off.
Or come on a piece goes slam andit just comes off.

(58:26):
It's really cool.
I just I love when they've gotthat they've got that
sensibility.
Um Buddy slammed it, you know.
Jim Cooper slammed it, butmajority of the time it came off
the what that bottom end.
But some of them don't want thatbottom end.
So I react to that bottom end.

SPEAKER_02 (58:39):
Uh the um interesting is and you kind of
touched on it and to get kind ofdrumming dirt a little bit,
that's we are.
Um you know, they're just likehand technique and all the all
the techniques that go withthat, and you know, buzz rolls
and and buried rolls, and I'mpressed rolls.
Sorry.
I'm oh god, I'm showing myignorance here.

(59:00):
But you know, you've got allsorts of different techniques,
open and closed, you know, allthat.
There is something to havingthat bass drum uh technique too
in the control to that.
Admittedly, I don't have it.
I mean, you mentioned youwatched a couple of my drum
videos and you were turned offby the I wasn't turned off.
I wasn't turned off like it wasjust like I mean it's just but

(59:21):
it is it bothered you the bassdrum art, and I don't have that
control.
I I don't.

SPEAKER_00 (59:25):
Um it's because you're sitting too close to the
bass room, that's why you've gotto come back further on.
Because your leg should where'swhere's the I've got use a comb.
Okay, you bottom half your leg,I didn't want to do a drum shop.
You bottom half your leg, Iwould say should be like that.
Most guys are like this.
Like that.
Because then you'll otherwiseyou're locking up the ankle,
obviously, which Tony canexplain better.

(59:45):
The um uh but it's personal.
I mean, okay, Stevie Wondercan't hold a pair of drumsticks,
he can't use the pedalsproperly.
As as I would totally agree, isGreg Busnet says he's probably
the greatest drum has everlived.
Because he gets he buries thebeat on.
Uh he he that's how he plays.
Uh, he says, I remember GregBisnet saying at a clinic in
Sydney, he was saying, I or Ihad something in a studio with

(01:00:06):
uh Stevie, and Stevie took meover to a drum kit and said, and
and and Stevie played a beat andsaid, Can you play that?
Greg said, I can't do that.
Can't pull off.
Mr.
Groove, Mr.
King of Groove couldn't do it.
Um so Stevie is you know uhPrince was a great drummer.
So Townscribe drummer, they tendto bury it.
He shillery buries it.
I mean, it depends who it is,who it is.

(01:00:27):
But for a lot of guys, they theybet But they but uh these people
tune the drum so it works thatway.
I mean, what's his name?
Elvin Jones buried it.
But he's gonna he's going for acolour, he's going for a colour.
Now they tune the drums in acertain way.
Um just see way too many guysplay.
I've got my time of the bingokit.
Now I'm gonna do this.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:48):
Right, right.
Yeah, know what you're playing,know what you're playing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:51):
But then the geniuses at Evans and Remo go,
we can fix this.
It's like have the EMAT systemsup there, and we'll fix that.
And um, and some old older guylike me says, Oh, easy, take the
front end off the bass drum, go70s, go all 70s, dude John
Guren.
And people out there don't knowwho John Guren is, please get to
know who John Gurin was.
Uh, you know, we all know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:15):
Okay, okay.
All right, well, yeah, I got it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:17):
And also uh uh Tom Scott and LA Express.
Woohoo! Bastery Cadden, uh greatalbum, John Guren on drums.
Um he quite often had the usedconcert Thompson front head off
the bass drum.
I like whenever I call, I alwayssay, can we take the front off
the bass drum?
Then if you're bearing, itdoesn't really make any
difference.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:36):
I'll think about that.
That see, I see I learnedsomething here.
I I I do sit really close to thekit.
Do you sit?
Are you close?
Where do you sit?
No, I I mean it's not straightup and down.
It is probably a little bit moreup front when you're saying I
mean I'm also okay.
Not to get on this, you know,shit, because you know, this
isn't the well but I I'd listenmore to Tiny.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:57):
I mean, Chinese got better foot technology than me,
so I'd listen more to Tiny thanme.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:03):
Well, okay.
Let's not go down that wholething.
Oh, you guys are better and Istuck, then you guys all, you
know, all that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:09):
I just say I said Tiny's better play than me.
I didn't say that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:12):
No, no, no.
But remember last time we talkedand you know all that.
But what I was gonna get at isyou said that, you know, your
ASMR is actually verypleasurable to you.
Like, yeah.
It feels really good.
You know, I'm not talking, youknow.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:26):
If not, not in the way you're thinking, but it does
feel good, yes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:29):
Well, I figured it wasn't that crazy because it
can't take every five seconds.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:34):
I'm like, God, play Americans.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:36):
I'm brustling that Snickers bar package.
Chris, we're trying to play.
Good night, John boy.
Good night, Chris.
Um, but um, what's interestingis that you feel like, I mean,
obviously you feel like thathelps your drumming, right?

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:54):
Well, I didn't think I didn't know at first.
Uh just I realized when I firststarted playing that I just
noticed that bass drum thingthat when you came off that
sound.
But I realized if I took thefront head off the bass drum and
put a school bag in the in thebass drum to shut it up, it made
no difference.
But I just like that.
And I remember taking the bottomhead off a floor time and
thinking, oh, amazing.
It's off the the tone, whichannoys me.

(01:03:17):
Because it's so hard to controlthat tuning.
Um and I just don't like thatbecause uh I understand the
first instruments I startedplaying were bongos and congers,
and they're very short, verystaccato.
The drum kids doom, take it fortop bottom head off.
I found it many years later,blame Jane Cooper for that.
He made the double head tom tompopular.

unknown (01:03:39):
Really?
I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:41):
If I go back in time and say, Gene, you're not doing
mate, Gene, I can't do that.
Let's go and have the coffee.
Just forget about that.
Change just get his mind, changehis mind.
Yeah, Jane Cooper was had to dowith that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:50):
I love Jane Cooper.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:51):
I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:52):
I love Jane Cooper.
As we go to.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:56):
So, like, um I do want to tell this story because
I think it's important for thefor the history that you and I
kind of have.
I mean, not that it's thatimportant.
But um many, I mean, this iswhen I first started taking
lessons from Tony very early on.
Way back.
Um we were working out of yourbook, mainly me, um Progressive

(01:04:16):
Rhythms that you really I mean,this was 10 or 20 years ago
because I've my book.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:21):
Don't send you a copy to Tony.
I mean you sent me a copy ofyours.
It was too difficult.
Your book was too difficult.
I couldn't do it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:29):
No, I mean, uh yeah, I I I did not I try to I thought
Rick Grattan's book was toodifficult.
Rick Yeah, Rick Ratten's booktoo.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:38):
Incredible.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:38):
I have that actually.
Oh do you?

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:40):
Fantastic.
Rick Lake, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:42):
I also have Virgil Dinani's book, and I put that
down.
So Okay.
Anyway, there are books that arejust too out there for me.
Um but what I was gonna say isUm, you know, I was working out
of that book with Tony.
Um, did not make it very farbecause that was above me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:57):
Um but so was this Tony's book or Virgil's book or
my book?

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:02):
I gave up on all of them, Chris.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:05):
Oh my god.
So Bishop said to the donkey.
Okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:09):
But um, no, I'm talking about your book right
now.
Now he uses all of them to padhis bass drums, so when he bears
the teeth.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:17):
Get the books out of there.
Chaser, you're a chaser.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:23):
Um we're all friends.
So what I was gonna say is, youknow, back then, you know, you
sent uh you sent Tony that and Iwas kind of working out of that.
And then I also had your DVD,Independence.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:35):
Um I was young, limited money.
Sorry about that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:39):
I still love that DVD.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:40):
I I can I tell you about that DVD.
Everything was all my DVDs arefirst take because I'm always
surrounded by idiots.
It's just I know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:47):
You can admit, yeah.
Tell talk about that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:51):
You get you get to um uh the the studio space,
you've you hire the studio out.
It uh because I was trying toget the same look as the Marco
Miniman extreme drumming videothat Rick Gratt and we all love,
a friend of mine, uh uh did.
Um uh as far as the look andstuff with the yellow
background.
But what happened was the guywho did it, he got there and

(01:06:11):
said, Oh, I forgot the batteriesfor the camera.
I'm gonna start recording.
There's a runaway.
Sydney's Sydney's like, youknow, almost big as New York.
It's huge.
You can't just go down the roadto get things, it's a long way
to go.
Um, places like Chicago aresmall compared to Sydney.
Sydney's massive.
So everything's delayed.
Okay, let's go.
And then the lighting problems,and by after being there and

(01:06:31):
being prepared for a week foryou know, for weeks to get this
going, you've been there forlike four or five hours in the
day, nothing recorded yet.
You start getting angry orfrustrated, you know.
So I'm playing, I'm not playing,you know, as much as I love I
love you by Barney, I love that,the kid shows.
Um, it's not dub dub dub du.
That's not that.
You know, it's complicatedstuff.

(01:06:52):
I got straight.
Everything in that damn video,all my videos is first take.
I'm surrounded by people whodon't know what they're doing.
I've just accept that people,you know, they're they're I'm
paying them something, you know,whatever.
It's difficult.
But the uh that video, all theentire video, it's just made
from rushes, from just bits andpieces, because the original

(01:07:15):
footage, I couldn't use itbecause it had the well, I'm
gonna say the public don'treally care what I get any
backlash from it.
The hard drive that it was itwas put on, the guy couldn't
every time he he started editingit, even though I paid a lot of
money, or the sound was out oftime with the sink, it didn't
set up properly.
Um and then it was like 85gigabytes, which was a lot of

(01:07:37):
information in 2001.
That was like 2002, there's alot of information.
And he had like two computersgoing, you had two computers
with the fan stuff going.
And so one of his friends tookover and he said, Well, there's
a problem with the um with theuh the hard drive, Chris.
What?
Because all we had, we had someDVDRs with footage on it.
That was just like, you know,like uh rushes and stuff to sort
of, you know, uh to do likealmost like a demo.

(01:07:59):
The actual finished footage ison this other hard drive.
So uh, Chris, we've got aproblem with this hard drive.
What?
He's corrupted it withpornography.
He's put pornos on this video.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:09):
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Quant back then.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:14):
And that was a die.
That was a time when nothing wasstreaming, had downloaded all
the stuff into my I'm not I'mnot a computer person.
Apparently they'd done somestuff to the hard drive, and my
videos wouldn't play properly.
So everything in my my thatvideo, the independence part
two, is all from demo shots.
We had to try and play with thesound.
And some of those parts areparts where the sound's out of
sync with uh what I'm doing, andthe picture coil is not as good

(01:08:36):
as it should be.
But this guy put porn love modefor stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:39):
Yeah, I mean, back then when you downloaded that
shit, it had malware.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:42):
I mean, it was I don't know how malware is.
So that was that was just so Iremember talking to Thomas Lang
about this.
He's totally left me over.
This is just shocking.
Uh and Thomas said, kill him.
I can't kill him.
Um, I would.
Yeah, well, you're ex-army,you're a tough guy.
I can't do that.
Uh, and I get arrested, and thensome man's gonna touch me at
night.
I won't like it.
Um, yeah, I had to make jokesabout it, but yeah, that was
horrible.

(01:09:03):
Um I I got bad, I appreciate itlike enjoying the video.
That that was just horrible.
I couldn't wait for that day Iwas over and I I didn't want to
sell it.
I hated it because I saw this isrubbish.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:13):
Um well and I mean I don't I don't know how widely
you did sell it.
I mean, I I I ordered thatmyself, and I had to order that
from Australia.
That was an import.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:23):
I want to send it to you.
I saw no, no, it was it was soldindependently.
It was sold, I think about 500copies of sold in Australia.
I approached the Sonal guys whenI was at Sonal Drums then.
I used all the Sonal pedals.
I look I paid for all that gear.
I I got a discount, but I got uhjust just hang a sec.
I'm on podcast, bye-bye.
Chef's calling.

(01:09:44):
Yeah, the um uh um the uh uh Ipaid for all that gear, it cost
me thousands of dollars.
I didn't really like the sonalpedals.
I hated those um the the giantstep pedals because they have
that the design was to have likea bullseye in the middle of it.
And because guys like Tony andI, Tony and I use more more than
one pedal, we use many, manypedals.

(01:10:06):
Whatever that part of your footis uh in the middle of your foot
where the ball of your foot is,you hit the edge of that um that
ball, that bullseye thing on thepedal, a shock goes up your
body, it's horrible.
It's uh hits a pressure pill orsomething in your foot.
Those pedals are heated.
So I put up all those pedals, Iput everything everything was
like sonor, son or sonar, orzonor, as I say, uh sonor,
sonor, son or that sort ofstuff.

(01:10:27):
And then when I was in um I wasremember I was doing a clinic in
Sydney, a big drum festival, andit was um great day.
It was uh it was myself, guycalled Pete Drummer, who's an
incredible Australian drummer,Pete Drummond, um uh and uh me
then Chad Wackerman who gotangry with me because he asked

(01:10:52):
me to play his kid.
He went out front and he playsKid one here with my drums.
So do what I do.
So I played a Mosambeak my feetand played stuff on top of it.
No, I didn't ask you to do that.
It's like playing your drums,you got angry at me.
I feel like saying, Well, yourwife didn't give you on this
one.
I just tried to throw that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:13):
You shouldn't about played him on his own kit.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:16):
He's incredible.
And then about an hour after hea half hour after he played,
Thomas Lang played.
Um, and then Steve Smith, that'sright.
And um the uh that night most ofus went to dinner with the the
sonor people took us, thedistributors took us to a very
nice place in Sydney called umwhat's it called?
It's a a restaurant, one ofthose revolving restaurants atop

(01:11:36):
a door building, like you getall over the world.
And um, I was there and uh theyhad the Sonor guy, the rep from
Sonor there.
And I was with Steve Smith andThomas Lang was saying how
wonderful I was, and I thought,okay, that's nice.
Yeah, Frank Corniola was there,who owns the uh drum tech in
Melbourne, which is the thepeople who run Drum Scene

(01:11:58):
Magazine, also the AustralianUltimate Drummers Weekend DVDs,
it's a fantastic uh center andguy, whatever.
So all these were shown by theselegends.
And I asked this guy, this guycalled Millen from Sonor, in
front of all these people, uh,because the Sono guy's Australia
said, Why don't you ask him?
Okay, I said is it possible if Ican send you some DVDs, and then
when you um sell drums to shops,that they get some DVDs for free

(01:12:22):
and they can do what doesn'twant.
I'm not gonna do that.
You can't do that.
It just went off, just went offat me, went crazy at me.
Uh and Thomas is just looking atwhat's going on.
And after that meal finishedabout half an hour later, one of
the guys from the solo guys,Tony, Tony Italy, is a fantastic
guy.
He pulled him aside.
Tony's a fighter.
And Tony threatened him saying,You can't talk to Chris like
that.
Don't give me this crap, youknow.

(01:12:42):
Um, and that's uh that DVD wasthat when I had that happened, I
thought, I'm not gonna sell theDVDs, no one wants it.
Uh just and I did eventuallythen he did reluctantly get me
to send them to um Germany, andhe just sent them back.
Um so no one wanted to knowabout it.
No one wanted to know aboutthat.
Uh um so that DVD's got pretty Ithink that's I think it's a

(01:13:04):
pressover, it's just like justit just wasn't meant to be.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:07):
Um and so like like I'm not even pandering to your
I'm not even sucking off here.
Like I love it.
I I thought that was a veryinspiring DVD.
And I mean the pedal work, I Idistinctly remember because I
was meeting playing for three orfour years at that point.
And I distinctly remembershowing my friends who were not

(01:13:28):
drummers.
And I remember freaking the uhfreaking the fuck out when you
were going across those pedals.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:35):
Oh, that's probably the tripper a tripper on the
wall.
Okay, I got okay, yeah, okay,yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:38):
I I well I just basically like clearly remember
I was telling my friends as Iwas watching it, and I was just
like running around the freakingliving room seeing that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:47):
And I'm gonna tell you the reason I was playing
that nine pedal pattern, I'lltell you the reason I was
playing that nine pedal pattern.
The feet against it, it'sbecause I couldn't do it, I
couldn't do what Tony does.
I couldn't play Cascar or Bosniamaking my left foot and solo
against it.
So I thought, well, I can't dothat.
I still can't do that.
Um so maybe if I fly across awhole bunch of pedals, I'll

(01:14:09):
everyone be tricked by thatbullshit.
That's right, that's why I didit.
And hopefully and I thought oneday, and I think hopefully one
day they'll never see TonyMajiris play.
Um uh but when I mean that I'msaying that I mean that uh if
they see him play, they'll knowI'm full of it.
And that's a good thing.

(01:14:30):
Um because I I've I said this tocertain people, and I'll say
this now, I I'd say it on youknow ABC News, that as far as
independence is go, actuallyindependence, not like you know,
13 against nine or something,something you're not really
gonna use, which is stillclever.
As far as musical independenceindependence goes, as far as a
drummer playing a you know anindependent pattern on one of

(01:14:53):
their limbs and playing againstit, the best I've ever seen is
Tony.
That's the best I've ever seen.
I've never seen any like I don'tknow how, and that was like
almost 30 years ago.
I don't know how in the hellhe's how he worked out because
when I got his book, I thinkit's too complicated.
His book reminded me of one ofmy favourite drummers who died
many years ago.
My musical mentor, Andrew O, whodied in 2023, he was killed by

(01:15:14):
the vaccine, like many peoplewere, which I'm not gonna go
down that path of stop setting.
He was my musical mentor, he'sone of the finest saxon players
in the world, and percussionistsand all sorts of things.
Um uh his friend uh he workedwith uh uh many years ago in the
um 1980s.
He worked with uh Andrew wasworking with um, I believe he
was working with uh ManaFerguson, and his drummer was uh

(01:15:36):
uh Roberto Pitachio, who had twohi-hats back then.
Um and talk about the Steve Gaddrock emotion, Robot Roberto
Pitachio.

unknown (01:15:44):
I've never heard of him.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:46):
Well, see he died before just before Mark Cranny
died.
And those two guys are just sogood.
Uh Mark Cranny with GentlemanEllie, I mean incredible, uh a
Canadian Okay, you know whilewhile we're on Amazing Drummers,
I just discovered this guy, andI'd be surprised if you didn't

(01:16:07):
know him, but I've never seenanything on this guy.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:10):
He's hardly anywhere.
Um Pete Zellman.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:15):
He died in a few years ago.
He's incredible.
Somebody's been influencedheavily by him, is uh which is a
great story, and we all knowhim.
He's I think he's fantastic, isAlex Cohen.
He's on he's on YouTube.
He loves Pete Zellman, and he'stalking about his brain tumors
are giving him this sort ofinsight.
He's his independence isincredible.
It's not musical like Tony.
It's not musical like Tony, butthat that he reminds me when

(01:16:38):
he's when he plays stuff heplays, it reminds me of Chad
Wackham.
When I first saw Chad Wackham doa clinic, he said, I'm just
gonna play something musical.
I thought that's just a noise.
Well, I couldn't appreciate it.
As I got a bit older a coupleyears later, I realized, oh,
he's not playing 4-4.
And I love anything, I don'tlike 4-4, I love odd time stuff.
So um so I could say, I couldsee Alice, well, that's how he
expressed himself.

(01:16:58):
And he was doing one the otherday, he said, This is for the
jazz guys.
And I know most guys are notgonna listen to Alice Khan for
jazz because you've got tattoosuh and you you you you talk like
a moron and you do head metalstuff, so you're a moron.
I think I'm gonna watch this.
And he's got he's got on hishi-hat foot and playing like 13s
and fives against it.
It's like, man, this is whatElven was trying to do.

(01:17:20):
It's just so good.
Um excuse me, the um that'sdifferent, different to Pete
Zorban's like that.
He's like Pete Zelber.
Pete Zorber was amazing.
Uh he still isn't though he'sdead.
Well, I mean he's dead, but hewas incredible.
Yeah, Alice Collins like that.
I think he's gone beyond PeteZorban.

unknown (01:17:36):
Really?

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:36):
I'm not sure.
But Tony is playing, sorry, butTony's playing more of a it's it
sounds like you got someoneplaying cowboy.
To me, when I hear Tony play, itsounds like a Dave Wickle drum
solo, but just on the left whereyou can't see him, Ralph
McDonald's playing cowball.
I really the greatest cowboyplayer in the history of music,
who's also dead, of course.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:56):
Chris, I really wish you hadn't say he sounds like
Dave Wackle.
That bothers the hell out ofhim, you know that.
Oh, I mean, that's a hell of acompliment.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:04):
I'd like to say it's uh sorry, he does sound.
Uh the um uh who would you likewho would you like to sound
like?
Who who you who you whatdrummers do you like, Tony?

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:15):
Dave Weckle.
No.
No, seriously though.
Dave Weckle, Vinny Calyuta,Steve Gadd, all of them, uh
Donati.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:24):
Vinny, okay.
I can hear Vinny and you I canalso hear um uh Gorgo Bolai in
you as well.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:28):
Um uh Morlai.
And the I mean and he's lookslike now he buries the beater.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:36):
He buries the beta.
How he gets an even sound, Idon't know.
He buries the and it works forhim.
Vinny buries the beater.
You know, you don't want tochange that.
I was just saying, not it's notright for everyone.
Um that's very difficult.
Akira Jimba bears the beater.
That's everything's even.
And I listened to them, I thinkyou listen.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:54):
I just know you listen to those guys and then
you watch my videos and you'rejust like, ah, turn it off.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:59):
That's not true.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:00):
I'm dumb kid.
Okay.
I don't mean I don't want tointerrupt, but I go ahead.
You need to send him some ofyour new ones.
But I want to I want to get backto that story to kind of share
the history because I think it'skind of kind of flattering for
you, hopefully I don't know.
Anyway, um so yeah, watch yourDVDs, work out of your book.
And then that was back when allwe didn't have social media.
We I could only get this byemail.

(01:19:22):
And exactly I'm sure Tony had itis how I would have gotten it.
But um I emailed you, weprobably had three or four
exchanges where I sent you shortYouTube videos or short
recordings.
And um you'd send critiquesback.
I always was very kind andsupportive.
And it was actually the one youcommented on was I did a um it

(01:19:46):
was a three over fourpolyrhythm, but it was an
ostinato.
I still have a video, it's twothousand nine.
I'm not gonna post it just forfun.
Um but it's actually it's aparadidal ostinado here or yeah,
paradidal ostinado here, andlike a and it's and then twin
bow uh under that.
Well what I was gonna say is Isaid that to you and you you

(01:20:07):
commented very highly and saidyou're very young to be able to
do that.

unknown (01:20:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:11):
And then um but you also said 'cause I told you I
had been contacting other umYouTube drummers because I was
trying to get feedback.
And I told you that some of themwere saying certain things.
And you came back and you taughtme the word pontificating.
I never heard that.
Oh, okay.
These guys were saying, and Iknew you were leaps and bounds

(01:20:31):
better than these guys, but theywere popular, so I was like,
well, get their opinion.
Um and you said, yeah, clearlythose guys are pontificating,
because that's not what you'redoing at all.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:38):
Um a lot of those guys think they're God's gift to
the world of drumming andthey're not.
They're just playing gospelchops or uh, you know, four in
the hands, two in the feet, twoin the hands, two in the feet.
Which is awesome when TerryBosio was doing it with Jeff
Beck.
Okay, it was awesome.
It was awesome when Bait whenLouie Belsman was doing it with
uh Tommy Dorset.
It was awesome then.

(01:20:59):
But guys, you know, you you'vegot to move forward.
And they start telling the worldhow wonderful they are, and they
know all the sort of things.
It's like, really?
You keep burying the beat out,and you're teaching people?
You don't even mention that.
Well, it's very much one, youknow.
I saw a guy uh on drumming a fewmonths ago.
Uh, the video's about a yearold, don't let me mention his

(01:21:21):
name.
Talk about traditional groups,said, Well, traditional group,
you know, I think it's prettystupid.
Uh, I've never seen anyone dotwo traditional groups at the
same time.
Really?
You don't watch brush playersthen, mate, do you?
And you're uh you this I'll justsay his first name is Matt.
Can't stand it.
Okay, I just say I can't, andit's not Matt Cameron.
Uh he's a great guy.
And it's just like I can't standlike don't tell kids no one used

(01:21:42):
double traditional.
Because when brush technique youdo sometimes, don't tell them
that.
Please don't tell them that.
And say someone's got uh a righthand or a left hand which is a
bit deformed, they're gonna haveto do that.
Don't tell just because youhaven't seen it with your little
world and because you're sportrotten because someone's pushed
you, don't you shouldn't be onhere teaching.
It's um drumming out wassuccessful, I believe, because

(01:22:04):
you had three, two drummers whowere amateur at best, who were
very passionate, who gavelessons as best they could, and
people got thought, these guysare cool.
Um, yeah, I like this.
And it was very nice, it wasrefreshing.
Um and they've never saidthey're great drummers, and it's
like, but they're they'repassionate, they don't have to

(01:22:25):
work hard, those guys.
They're making a lot of moneywhat they're doing.
They continue working hard.
I think they're fantastic.
Um, that's why they're the mostsuccessful drum platform on the
planet.
Mike Johnston is successful, notbecause he's a great drummer,
because he's passionate.
And he always says, I I've gotmy holes, I don't know what I'm
doing, I'm a hack.
Yeah, always says those things,but because he's honest.
He's being honest, being totallyhonest.

(01:22:47):
I love that.
But some of these gospel shopguys, particularly, got this
attitude like, you know, whatare they talking about?
I'm not mentioning any names, Idon't know any hate mail.
Uh, it's like, you know who youare.
It's just sorry, you're not.
You're not you you ne you neverbe Elvin Jones, so you never
will.
Sorry.
And don't try and pretend you'reSteve Steve Gates.
You're not, you're not, you'renot, you're not George Klaris.
You're none of those guys.
And George Klaris is agentleman.

(01:23:08):
You're nothing like thosepeople.
You're rude, you're arrogant.
I don't like it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:12):
That's one thing that bothers me a lot of about a
lot of these guys is thearrogance.
And there's one gentleman inparticular um who I don't know
if I need to name him.
He's obviously the same.
Don't mention I won't mentionit.
Most people would have think,you know, uh social media

(01:23:32):
drummer.
Um but I honestly think a lot ofthe gospel chops things and
things like that have kind ofpainted the drumming community.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:42):
Um and that's the good gospel chop guys, and I
push them.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:46):
Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:47):
Then I they're better, they're fantastic.
Then I push them.
Some poor guy in a church, he'sincredible.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:52):
Oh, those guys are fantastic.
And you just don't hear aboutthem, you hear, but you know,
that's a rabbit hole, and wedon't have to go down it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:58):
We and then of course And a lot of dr a lot of
drummers want to pretend that uhThomas Pruggen doesn't exist.
So he does exist, and his grooveis fat.
It does he does exist.
Sorry.
Just he said that why he didn'tget the givea promise, I don't
know.
It's just like the guy that gotgreat, but they're so like
seriously.
Um remember speaking to ThomasLang years ago, and uh he's
saying, Oh, I've got a tourcoming up soon.

(01:24:19):
Um I said, I see what you say,what what is this?
I'm not looking forward to it.
So what was the problem?
He said, it's playing withJohnny Royster.
Oh, he's gonna destroy you.
Yeah.
It's like Yeah.
What interest?
So it's got a minute.
I mean, you you know you'redoing well and you're gonna
destroy Thomas Lang.
You know you're doing real well.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:40):
Yeah, I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:41):
So Thomas, don't you bring double pen next time?

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:43):
Okay, well, I just didn't think it is, yeah.
I mean, there's some guys likethat.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:51):
But then you go Bob Tony Royce, you can roll up your
chick.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:55):
Well it's like there was that there was that um drum
channel video, I mean, years agoat this point where you know
Dennis Chambers took Roysterunder his wing and then years
ago dueled.
And Dennis is like, holy shit.
Yeah, Dennis is like, oh my god,I created a monster kind of
thing.
So if you're again, if you'regetting accolades like that from

(01:25:15):
Chambers and Thomas Lane, youknow, you know.
Yeah, and it's crazy he's notmore prolific.
Like, and yeah, he's been buriedout.
I mean, a lot of these guys wereprolific for a while, but
they're buried now.
I mean, you don't hear aboutPridgeon was big for a while.
Royster for sure, and you don'thear about these guys anymore.
And they're playing as good, ifnot better, than they ever have.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:37):
I'm sure they got uh uh um strong careers.
It's like Lenny White, you know,he started all this.
I mean it's it's I'm sure hedoes stuff.
We love Lenny White.
Um, the uh uh amazing.
I saw a video on YouTube theother day of Billy Coban.
He finally looks his age, he'slooked so young for so long.
He was in his mid-80s.
What a beasty human being.

(01:25:58):
Um he still plays drums as well.
I love him.
Um what was that uh the video ofuh about 12 years ago?
It came out recently on YouTubeof um Roy Haynes.
I'm gonna play a calypso, but myage is called a collapso.

unknown (01:26:12):
I like that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:14):
He was awesome.
I love Roy Haynes.
Um the uh yeah, these charactersbecause these people uh were
just so um humble.

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:23):
Humble and they care about the instrument.
It's not about the attention,it's about the instruments.
And yeah, I mean that is truly abig ass rabbit hole that we
honestly haven't even touched onyet.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:35):
And then a lot of the drum companies now are
interviewing these guys, moderndrummer does it's like, and I
know I know you're interviewingthis guy, he's he's you know,
he's a reasonable drummer, he'splaying bands, doing tours and
stuff.
But how about you sit down andyou educate people on the
knowledge of uh Steve Smith orNarada Michael Walden or the
Australian drummer David Jonesor Simon Phillips or uh the you

(01:27:01):
do those guys, but the socialfocus is he's using this this
Vistalite drum kit, whatever.
Who cares?
I mean it's like it's great,whatever.
But the um the the the sharingknowledge is not what it used to
be.
It's just and they started doingthat in the 1990s.
When I saw um uh Vinnie Paul onthe front cover of um Modern
Drummer magazine and also DaveGrohl, because I bought the

(01:27:24):
magazines and I read theinterviews, not good interviews.
I all of us knew and well half abrain realized they're gonna get
complaints about this.
But they the modern drummersays, hey, they sell tickets,
we've got to promote it, youknow.
Um and sorry, uh people are notlining up to see the jazz guys
anymore, so we have to selltickets.
I understand that.
But now it's just like purely,but those guys are selling big
albums, they're big sellers andthey're good players.

(01:27:46):
Uh there um uh a lot of guys nowthey're just pushing because
they're popular.
Playing them popular.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:53):
I mean, but I find it's all a gimmick.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:56):
I've never seen I have this sort of joke that I uh
I wonder is um is the drummer inum Maroon 5 the best drummer in
the world?
Uh because you don't know whatsomeone's capable of, because in
a studio, you don't know you gotI mean I played bands who were
huge in Australia, I had to goboom, gut, boom to get there's
no bit of gut, but it's nothing.
So you don't know.
Um and is it they they justthey're just a private person or

(01:28:19):
that that joke in Australia?
There's a song in Australia, Iforget the name of the song, but
the the the the um basicallysaying no one knows who the
drummer and cold player is andyou do what he wants, no one's
gonna even notice the guy.
It's like and he gets he makesjust as much money as the other
guys.
Um it's but how do you know howgood they are?
They might be better than youcould ever imagine, you don't
know.
Um and they don't those guysdon't do interviews.

(01:28:42):
I love that.
It's mysterious like, okay, whoare you?
Um it's like um uh theincredible bass player in um in
uh um Metallica, that guy,what's his name?
The big good lookingself-marker.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:53):
True heel.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He plays guitar better than allthe other guys with the bag.
So he's incredible.
Like guys like that.
He's a humble guy.

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:07):
Everybody plays drums better than Lars, though.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:10):
I always thought last was good and everyone, but
these days are seeing his beingvery sloppy.
Is that just with his showingdodgy footage or he was because
he was great in um Ride theLightning and Um those first
three albums.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:20):
Editing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:24):
Editing place.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:27):
I never had another album.
I thought he was other BiddleyGidley Gut, Biddley G.
I can't say Biddley Gidley Gut.

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:37):
Nobody likes him anymore.
And he'll come after us.
And he'll come after us and getus publicity.
No nothing like that publicity.
Okay, there you go.
On those albums, he would recordseveral times and they'd edit
edit it together.
And that's back in the eightieswhen you didn't have overdubbing
and shit.
You had tools.
You had pro yeah, Pro Tools,that's what I meant.
You didn't have Pro Tools, so hewould they'd have to chop his

(01:30:00):
together.

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:01):
Of course.
And have you seen now thatinterview of uh the person
Australians love to hate?
Um uh we used to think it wascool, now we can't stand the
guy.
Uh Howard's Howard, the radiohost.
Uh how it used to be onAmerica's Got Talent.
Howard Jones, how Howard Jones,how was his name?

(01:30:21):
Uh he used to be he's gotfluffy, he looks like he's got
hair like Crusty the Clown, butit's black.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:25):
Um yeah, that's that's how it's turned.
Howard's turn.

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:28):
How's that how it's turned?
And he's protificating aboutbass from chat eat with Lars
saying, Oh, do you play fastbecause you lift your heel up?
It's like, dickhead.
Seriously.
I mean, please, and Lars justhaving conversations.
Lars is just answering thequestion.
It's like, please don'tprotificate about drums.
I know your radio announcers doprotificate about stuff, and
quite often you're good aboutit.
Don't go new music.
Don't do music, don't do uhastronomy, don't do uh deep sea

(01:30:50):
life.
Just just just stick to you knowpolitics and and Rosio Donald
and stuff like that.
Just don't don't do it.
I I I I I I can't stand that.
Hate speech and hate speech andtransgenderism and um uh global
warming.
It's all the same.
It's all the same.
Save the koalas.
It's all the same.
Yes, there we go.
So you you were talking beforeabout the IQ thing with me.

(01:31:15):
Me being a title, I was talkingbefore about my moral, my
brother telling me basically I'ma moron, I think I was a teacher
at school because I've at schoolbecause that's all I could do
because I was too dumb.
Um and uh looking back atschool, I I really struggled in
school.
Uh to sort of if we'd had likean IM class that's like a class
for people who are a bit slow,might be good at you know,

(01:31:35):
history but terrible at mathsand English, so you get special
attention there.
I would have loved that.
You know, uh that they take youshopping and stuff.
They uh then when you you Iwould have been in a music
class, I would have done mathsand stuff, but so but in
regardless, I they that wasn'tavailable at my school.
Uh it is available to the kidsnow.
But the um I didn't know Ididn't know I was a moron.
And I was telling you that uhabout about five years ago, I

(01:31:59):
told my mother, who's now 95,love her mother, because uh I I
told her I recently got my IQtest done.
She said, Oh, oh, what was theresponse?
I was like I had a couple oftimes, a different response.
Each time it was different, it'slike I was 122, 127, or
something because because I'm socreative, it was it didn't come
exact.

(01:32:20):
Um exactly.
And um the I remember again saidthat's not very good.
122 is pretty crap.
Chris, the average is 98, 102,so it's pretty good.
It's above 120 is consideredreally smart.
I said, my sister's got 158.
Well, that's your sister.
My brother is almost Sigmund'sgot high IQs.
My mother's got 168.

(01:32:41):
Um, my mother's father's not ashigh, but pretty high.
So I I was a dumb boy.
My mother said, Oh dear.
What?
It wasn't that when you wereyounger.
What was it?
You don't need to know.
No, I just got a test.
What is it?
Um 76.
Sorry?
76, sorry.

(01:33:01):
76 I couldn't even walk with 76.
I was a moron.
And drumming before Yeah, itlooked like she said, we noticed
when you were 16, you startplaying drums that you found
something you're good at, sowe'll just let you do it.
We put up with a sound.

(01:33:22):
And that's what did it.
And that's why many years later,from year 2013 up to 2000, two
years from you said I can'tspeak.
From year 2013 to year 2019, Idid four TED talks in Hong Kong.
Um uh, and that was great.
And because I'd met people,because Hong Kong is so
connected.

(01:33:43):
Um it's uh amazing place.
And the so I met these people,these business leaders, you
know, because I'd teach peopleand this particular person I
taught, he he, he and hisdaughter, he was one of the top
um CEOs of Citibank, so he'dbring me into his friends who uh
ran uh wineries in California.
He meet all these people.
Um and uh he said, We don't wantyou to meet uh Gin A U,

(01:34:08):
Professor Gin A U from Um uhPolytech University in Hong
Kong.
I can find he's head of uh headof um game studies uh that we
but people can play for StarWars, uh Space Invaders.
No, no, we study how gaming canbe used to help people with ADHD
and stuff like that, certain,but certain games, not just you
know, not just like you know,battle battlefront.

(01:34:28):
Um and um and does it he's aprofessor and he got me into a
in the TED for my first TED talkand I spoke and I got messed up
with people, said read thesebooks, read these books,
whatever.
And I uh I did some self-study,which is a fairly lame
statement, self-study is prettyhopeless.
Uh the and I'd reading a little,it's not a study, reading around

(01:34:51):
the internet, I discovered a guyuh called Dr.
Barry Bittman from Pennsylvania,and he's got a wellness center
there, and he is an inventor ofsome medical equipment, and he'd
done some studies on cancerpatients that he got them to do
shamanic drumming like gem baseand stuff like that, uh simple

(01:35:12):
hand drums, with patients whowere recovering from cancer,
that their body, in about 75% ofcases, their body produced more
cancer-killing cells.
So it didn't cure the cancer,but he he likened it like if
someone's had an operation andyou put them in a room, it's
just a dark room, then someoneelse has the same operation, put
them in a room, and I hadexperienced in Sydney when I

(01:35:35):
have an accident, I had to hurtmyself kickboxing.
Uh, you look out your window andyou look in the beach, that
person will then recoverquicker.
And so it was good for recovery.
Um and so he said it wasn't thedrum, it was the rhythm.
And he's Dr.
Barry Bittman with yeah, thisDr.
Barry Bittman with his team haddone a lot of study on uh

(01:35:56):
ancient drumming and whatpeople, you know, what people
had been doing for centuries.
And uh he came to the conclusionthat drumming is good for you.
And um I'm emailing this guy andanother guy at Toronto
University and saying, well,I've noticed teaching drums and
production drums, that if you doindigenous rhythms, like for a
drum set play the easiest one,probably uh a boss nova or a

(01:36:17):
sumba, maybe moving on to uhmerengue's and and songs and
stuff.
The um that you're doingindigenous rhythms, which is uh
fairly complex, that this thisthis can tends to connect more
neurons in your in your brain.
And I don't know what that was.
And I discussed some of thesethings in in TED talks, and also
um reading um I read in a guitarplay magazine uh when I was

(01:36:41):
about 16 that you've got topractice 10,000 hours to become
a practical genius.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:36:45):
And of course, because of Malcolm Gladwell, the
American uh novelist, uh the umhe put that in in his book
outliers that you know the10,000 hour practitioner.
Mozart wrote his great piecesafter about 10,000 hours of
training, um uh, etc.
etc.
Michael Jordan, 10,000 hours.
Um, and so I discussed that oneof my TED talks.
The um and it just when I got myIQ test many years later, and I

(01:37:11):
mentioned my mother, she said tome, and she she was a teacher of
45 years, English teacher.
She's 95% deaf.
No one knew she was deaf, neverhad a hearing aid, and she got a
hearing aid about 10 years ago,uh, 30 years after she retired.
Um she said to me, Oh dear, inher English accent, oh dear
Christian, it's uh it's thedrums.

(01:37:33):
The drums are doing this to you.
And education will never sharethis with the world because it
goes against their books.
It's the drums.
It's the drums that made yousmart.
Yeah.
So drumming has made me smarter.
Um and I can have any doctor orpsychologist saying, I'm talking
crap.
I say, mate, there's the rootriver, jump in it and piss off.
I'm not gonna listen to you.
So these doctors say, there's noafterlife, really?

(01:37:55):
No afterlife.
Really?
So you know more than Plato.
You're a smart guy.
You know more than Plato, youknow more than Tesla, you know
more than uh Einstein, you knowmore than Newton.
Isaac Newton had one of thehighest IQs in the history.
You're smarter than wow, you'resmart.
No.
Science now knows more.
Bullshit.
Sorry, you don't.
I hate those guys.
There's nothing, nothing to sayhere.

(01:38:15):
Nothing to say, I hate thoseguys.
So uh some doctors saying it's acoincidence, you know, IQ test
was wrong.
Uh no.
Uh my IQ test was not wrong whenI was a kid.
I don't remember doing it, ofcourse I don't.
Um drumming makes you smarter.
Uh now, m many of my students uhI've taught over the years have
done very well with their gradesbecause getting better at

(01:38:36):
drumming.
Now, I also say in his indefense of other things, if I
was teaching chess or footballor swimming, maybe the result
would be the same.
I also wonder, is it theexperience with the teacher?
Is it that?
Um, it could be that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:38:52):
It could be.
Well, um Yeah.
Um I I mean, I'm just thinkingYeah, it can be anything.
Like you were saying, you couldteach chess, you could teach
because we talk about flow quitea bit.
And I think a lot of it has todo with the neural connections
that we create when we arepracticing, because there's a

(01:39:14):
lot of trial and error, andthere's a lot of failure.
And in that failure, we we arefrustrated, but it pushes us to
continue on, which is evenbuilding you know, neural
connections and fortitude,whatever you want to want to
call it, willpower to get getthrough.
But then the success, when youget to the success, it

(01:39:37):
solidifies that particularinformation highway.
And if you do that, you know, asyou were saying for 10,000
hours, I mean you're gonna havea lot more connections.
Information's gonna fly a lotfaster.
So I absolutely believe in whatyou're saying.
I think it's amazing, and Ithink it's why you have been
able to take your symptoms.

(01:39:58):
Yeah, yeah.
So I mean and and kind ofcategorize and and what's the
word I'm like, put them incontainers.
Right, right, right.
Move it around where otherpeople have it.
So I mean I I love what he'ssaying.
I think something is like um Imean, I I don't know if you
remember probably that I'mschizoaffective, so I have the
you know, voices and visions andall that twenty-four-seven and

(01:40:20):
and drumming, you know, I wasand You know, it was a very,
very bad place.
Um, you know, before I starteddrumming and met Tony and um and
and he I mean, you had this froma very young age and and you
told me when you were how old?
Well, I mean, I met you when Iwas twelve.

(01:40:40):
So it would have been close totwenty.
I mean, I had no idea.
The music was helping him focusand function on a level that I
don't think.
Well, yeah, and I I neverexperienced that before.
I will say kind of I thoughtabout it, because we're trying
to kind of trace a little bit oftrajectory of how I'm how not I
don't like to toot any hornbecause it's not.

(01:41:02):
He's different.
He's very different.
He's one of a kind, if you askme.
But what I kind of trace back iswhen I was younger, I didn't
listen to a lot of rock music.
Um I was a lot of soundtracksand classicals.

unknown (01:41:15):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:41:16):
Devil music.
Yeah, well, Matt.
Don't go listen to the devilmusic.
You know what's funny is my dadused to not want me to listen to
ACD sing when I was younger.
Why?

SPEAKER_00 (01:41:24):
Because the devil worship bullshit, which was all
happened when he heard diocide,what did he do then?

SPEAKER_02 (01:41:31):
Oh you know, fuck your god is what it is.
Um but I hate that band to me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:41:39):
I can't stand those bands.
Just because besides I said thisseems so so time knocked what
could we made what we hear now.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:41:50):
Slayer would have been, you know, what eighties
was Slayer?
Is that right?
I love Sonic.

SPEAKER_01 (01:41:57):
I mean, that was scary.

SPEAKER_02 (01:42:09):
You know, and that's supposed to help develop.
So I mean, I didn't look at it,you know, I don't know if that
played into it.
But what I will say is I was, Imean, after um, you know, taking
lessons with Tony, and I mean Iwas vastly improving, I mean,
mentally and able to managebetter, and I'd gotten to a
point before that that I was, Imean, you know, attempted

(01:42:31):
suicide three times.
Um terrible and that brought meout of it.
And you know, I know Tonydoesn't like me to, you know,
credit him for things a lot, butlike it was the way he taught
too.
Um, you know, he wasn't a hewasn't a music.
It wasn't me though.
You put the work in the case.
I know that, but it was yourapproach.
I mean, it that did matter.

(01:42:51):
That did matter.

SPEAKER_00 (01:42:52):
I how many hours you brought you every day?
How many hours you do in yournight?

SPEAKER_02 (01:42:57):
Now or back then?
Back then.

SPEAKER_00 (01:42:58):
Back then.

SPEAKER_02 (01:42:59):
Oh, back then it was four to six a day.

SPEAKER_00 (01:43:03):
Were you working or going to school?
What were you doing?
School or work?

SPEAKER_02 (01:43:06):
I neither.
Um I dropped out of school in seuh seventh grade.
So um, I mean during that periodI I was playing in bands and
that was about it.
I mean, I I practiced four tosix hours a day for what, five
to six years.
You had dropped out because ofthe ship?
I dropped out of the symptom Imean, because of the symptoms.
You know, I couldn't handle itand I'd gone inpatient and uh

(01:43:26):
kind of came out of that a monthlater, I think.
And um, you know, i that is whatmy saving grace was and still is
mine.
You know, I don't get behind thekit near as much now.
You know, as you guys know, onceyou have a family it it gets
harder and harder.
Of course.
Um which admittedly I I'veprobably die uh um struggled a

(01:43:47):
little more lately because I'mnot getting behind I'm starting
to get behind the kit again.
And that I mean, like I've saidon other episodes, you know, the
when I get into flow statethrough drumming is the only
time I feel asymptomatic.
Um so kind of to corroborate allthis is that there's absolutely
something I think to drummingspecifically.

(01:44:08):
Like I said, like we've said,like you said, anything can can
get you to flow state and allthat.
And but I can't say to me and Iknow there's research, there's a
there's a uh researcher at IU inthere that's that was doing am I
right on that?
I don't I don't know about thatone.
I I don't know if he's at IU.

(01:44:29):
Dr.
Eagleman was the guy that I wastalking about.
Right.
He I think he was down in Texas.
Well I'm an idiot whatn't IU wasTexas then.
That's the name.
Yeah, it's the name.
But he's I mean it sounds likehe was researching drumming
specifically.
He he was the guy that wasputting the EG caps on and
having people play and he wouldmap.
Yeah, and I'm like, I I keeptrying I need to get in contact

(01:44:50):
with that mother because I'd becurious to see if that helps
anything, because I mean it it'swhat got me by and it's what uh
somehow it it is what makes mebe able to do what I do.
And like you, you know, to helpto help increase your IQ uh
level.

SPEAKER_00 (01:45:08):
There's that's well, that wasn't the plan.
It's just I didn't even know ithappened.
I just got older, I just startedgetting older.
I started realize, okay,example, the coronavirus
vaccine.
I'm thinking I'm gonna takethat.
That's been tested.
I knew that the uh flu vaccinehad been developed over 60
years, and that was hurtingpeople.
No, I'm taking this.
Um it's uh I'm not phoning forthe politician.

(01:45:30):
No, I I just for you've donethis for years, like it's just
common sense.
Uh it's and common sense isn'tvery common.
I realize that uh the talk aboutTED Talks.
Are you familiar with the worksof uh what's his name?
Uh Ken, what's his name?
Ken Robertson.
He set up TED Talks.

(01:45:51):
He's a British guy, Sir KenRobertson, he was knighted by
the Queen of England.
Uh and he talks about he's apolio survivor, so he walks
around with a cane.
He's an interesting guy.
Makes jokes about a school hewas makes jokes at school about
at school he was a sportscaptain.
But he's he's very funny, Matt.
Um he talks about these studiesthat were done in the States, I
know it was like 1990s, 1980s,where they got together many

(01:46:13):
clever, uh well-skilledpsychologists, child
psychologists, and they tested,want to see what percentage of
uh American children uh werecreative geniuses.
And the test was they showedthem a paper clip.
You heard the talk before?
Showed them a paper clip andsaid, Okay, so they showed them
a paper clip and said, obviouslyit was done with hundreds of

(01:46:35):
doctors and thousands of kids.
Um, and showed these kids apaper clip and tell us what you
can do with uh you can do with apaperclip.
If you get over 200 things,you're a genius.
They did it with five-year-olds,ten-year-olds, and
fifteen-year-olds.
What percentage offive-year-olds could do more
than two hundred things with apaperclip?

(01:46:56):
Not understand that most didn'tmost of them didn't know what a
paper clip was.

SPEAKER_02 (01:47:01):
I imagine that would five-year-olds do better than
the older.

SPEAKER_00 (01:47:04):
What do you think?
What percentage offive-year-olds think could do
more than two hundred thingswith a paperclip?

SPEAKER_02 (01:47:11):
Fifty percent.
Well I'm half?

SPEAKER_00 (01:47:13):
Is that a Okay, it's 95%.
Ten year olds w was about 50%.
Fifteen year olds is about fivepercent.
They've done it with a brick,done it with a stick, all sorts
of things.
Because the kid goes, he he he'sa he's a comb.
Okay, comb.
Uh it's a boat, it's a flower,it's Frankenstein's teeth.
It's my it's banging my brother,it's a pen, it's a ship, it's uh

(01:47:36):
it's dinner.
Uh they just play with it.
Where uh a kid has been educatedis like, uh, well, I could put
it uh hold some paper intogether.
Um maybe someone in a bank couldhold some notes together with
it.
Uh you could maybe put itholding a note with a pin on a
board.
Uh morons.

(01:47:58):
And as he has he is clear, thisis what started TED Talks.
The conclusion he came throughwith his experts, who are
experts, the more you educate akid in the current system, the
dumber they come.
So his question is is this whathappens or is it by design?
I think it's by design.
Uh the uh and that's beenexposed.
One thing, oh, we'll get a bitpolitically, one thing Donald

(01:48:20):
Trump has exposed is that thereare many wicked people in this
world who make a lot of moneyoff people's misery.
That's now been exposed andthey're now showing themselves.
Uh, when you get people in thisworld saying, you know, uh, it's
wrong to stop the war inUkraine, it's like, hang on, you
listen to what you're saying.

(01:48:40):
You're saying you want people todie.
Rather than saying, is thereanother way we can stop this
war?
Rather than just attacking it,is there another way can we
discuss it?
This seems a bit extreme ofbeing friends with a dictator.
It maybe there's not.
I don't know.
I'm not a war expert.
Uh or you, you know, like youknow, uh all these trade people

(01:49:02):
say to me in Australia, oh,transgender kids are as common
as red hair.
Red hair's very strong in myfamily.
There's no transgender kids inmy family.
I think it's fine if an adult ofthe age of 18 wants to change
the body parts.
That's their business.
As long as they've gone to agood psychologist, got the right
advice, um fine.
A seven-year-old boy don't getthe dick sore out in case dict

(01:49:25):
off.
No, that's a really bad ideabecause it's gonna it's gonna
take him about 45 minutes tourinate, it's gonna it's gonna
sting like hell.
Uh, and when he thinks he's gothis first period, he's actually
bleeding to death.
Don't do that to people.
If an adult says to a doctor, Iwant you to remove my left arm,
illegally you can do that.
I don't know why you want to dothat.

(01:49:45):
Maybe in future robotics youmight want that because you're
gonna do better in shockboard atthe Olympics.
I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:49:50):
But it's a big fan of Rick Allen.

SPEAKER_00 (01:49:53):
Who's Rick Allen?
Yeah.
Oh, okay, great, yeah.
We we play pedals because ofRick Allen.
Uh Rick Allen, you know, uh theshark pedal never took off, but
it's a great pedal.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, he was great when he wasyounger.
Um obviously traditional group,like Tony traditional group.
The um uh the uh so yeah, soit's what was I saying?
Um I've lost my train ofthought.

(01:50:14):
The um uh yeah, uh Sir Ken uhRobertson, incredible.
So the way we'll we'll educate.
So I'm saying is because I I Iwasn't taught well, other people
were taught because I wasn'tgood with the work, I'd teach my
own own stuff uh and learn myown way.
I developed I I did what mosthumans would do.
I developed a lot of commonsense.
Uh the um I like that I I don'tthink much of that, I just have

(01:50:37):
a little time with the person,but I like the thing he said,
Simon Cow from umAmerica.talent.
He does those terrible showswhere they make fun of people
who audition who can't sing,which I think is disgusting.
I think that's disgustingbecause those people, that's on
never then there forever, andthat's what won't help their
life.
Uh but one particular girl asks,how how can you say I can't sing
if I had 10 years of training?

(01:50:57):
And Simon Cow says, Because Iwasn't your teacher.
Because he's basically saying,because I wouldn't teach you
what you were taught.
Which is quite interesting.
He's saying it in an afterwaythough.
Uh the um uh uh because it getsratings.
But yeah, because you people askme, why is it you okay?
Uh people asked me, uh who doyou sound like?

(01:51:20):
Me.
I don't sound like Tony.
Uh it certainly does sound likeSteve Gadd.
Uh you play Mosinbeek.
Yeah, it doesn't sound likeSteve Gadd, though.
Um, Mosenbeak's an ancientrhythm.
He didn't make it up.
Uh the uh I don't sound like thegolfing Rolling Stones, I don't
sound like the golf road five,don't sound like any of these
guys.
Um, and that's that everyoneshould stand that way.
1960s and 70s, up to 90s up tothe late early 80s, everyone

(01:51:44):
standing differently.
Everyone's down.
Terry Bosio is the only TerryBosio, he was the only guy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:51:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:51:50):
Michael Warden was the only Michael Warden.
Lenny White was uh um uh BillyCobb without the three bass
drums.
I mean Buddy Rich sounded enoughlike Tim Cooper.
Max Rose sounded like no one,they're all different.
Now all the drums sound the samebecause they're so manufactured
so perfectly.

(01:52:10):
They're hideous.
I hate new drums, can't standthem.
Uh the SWA used acrylics becausethey just don't sound like
wooden drums.
The um uh they all sound thesame.
Let's let's do some stacks, dostacks, have these stupid five
symbols on top, like a handcuffsound, put in front of my stand
drum.
It's just can someone think forthemselves.

(01:52:31):
The first first person that didthat grape is like, oh, you're
playing my symbols, they've gotto use that.
You're gonna have that.
Remember when I went withsternal drums, you've got to use
the delight kit.
But I delight, I want to use theS-class pet of drums to no, use
the delight.
No, use the delight, go in theMelbourne.
You're using the the um designerseries, designer series, oh, I
want another one.
It's too heavy.
I hate that crap.
It's all about marketing andstuff.

(01:52:52):
Whereas Buddy Rich use whatdrums he wants, Louis would use
what drums he wants, all thoseguys use whatever drums he
wants.
Steve Gabbers using Gretsch.
He went to Amar.
Um, it's everyone's got theirown thing.
But now, as Dennis Jamers says,99% of people know copycats.
No copy coats.

(01:53:12):
I know someone who sounds likeDennis Jambers.
Dennis Jambers sounds likeDennis Jambers.
Um Tony Roaster Jr.
I know someone sounds like him.
Tony Roaster Jr.
sounds like him.
It's uh how many drummers soundlike Stuart Copeland?
No one.
Okay.
Manicacho, Manicacho say hisname.
Okay, he uses splash symbols.
He's a Coska percussionist.

(01:53:33):
That's why he sounds that way.
Oh, it's just so cool.
It's so refreshing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:53:37):
Um it's uh annoying to see that that's how it's
gone.
I mean, like, you know, you puton any ex-hoc drummer or you
know, any of those guys.

SPEAKER_00 (01:53:45):
Well, the production makes it sound like that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:53:46):
The producers make it sound like that.
That's also true.
And you know, there's a bigthing right now calling out a
lot of the social media drummersfor overdubbing and adding MIDI
shums to their performances.

SPEAKER_00 (01:53:58):
And there is it's like a breast implant.

SPEAKER_02 (01:54:15):
Um, but what is your perspective?
I I imagine where you're whatyou're gonna think, but what is
your perspective as far as youknow, now it's about perfection.
Um, you know, whether it'sthrough not me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:54:28):
My video, every first type of me and none of
that bullshit.
What's in all with me?
Make the same mistake, I betterdo that again.
No.
I know he's saying you're gonnatalk about that Spanish guy,
says do it a hundred times.
That's what he does.
He does it, and he does it verywell.
He does it very, very well.
Um I think it's fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 (01:54:45):
I mean it's funny you brought him up because I was
not specifically talking abouthim because my thing is he
actually does put the work infor the perfect.
Yeah, he does.
He does it very well.
That's not what he's going forat all.
Um I can't do that.
You're talking more about thebattle guy that got caught.
Well, not only that, it's thatinstead of just playing and and

(01:55:07):
and and feeling good andenjoying it, you know, all these
even gospel chop guys are well,they all sound the same for one
thing, so they're not developingtheir own voices.
You know, like one thing I couldsay even about my drumming, I'm
not to your guys' level, but I Ido sound like me.
I think if you heard me play,you would know, hear me enough.
You'd be like, oh, that's Nick.
It's like you guys have your ownvoices, and I don't see that a

(01:55:31):
lot.
And I think social media ishearing that for sure.
You've got these, you know,content.

SPEAKER_00 (01:55:35):
Oh, they're okay, okay, okay, because we're not so
social media, okay.
My um Instagram page, which Inever look at.
My my business partner, uhEason, this Congo guy, he he's a
got the physique of Olympicathlete, he's fantastic, he's a
fitness guy, but he's one of thefinest guitarists in the world.
Um, he puts videos on there.
We've got about 120,000subscribers.
Now, these guys, you know, oh100,000 subscribers.

(01:55:57):
I just want to break news toyou, fellas.
It was 120,000 subscribers.
That must be awesome.
Ask how much money do you thinkI get every month from that?
$10,000.
I'd say how much money I getevery month for that.
I get zero from that.
Zero.
Nothing.
There's no money they made.
Oh, that guy's got 150,000subscribers on YouTube.
Like that guy that does someinteresting lessons that are
that uh is it 50, 20 drummer orsomething like that?

(01:56:20):
It always looks like he'sasleep.
That's some interesting stuff.
Um, GC makes nothing out ofthat.
You know, it's uh it's it peoplehave this illusion.
Oh, so if I cop everyone, thenone day I'll be famous and I'll
I'll be like Cobers.
You'd never be like Cobers.
Sorry.
He's better looking than you,he's better play than you.
And he started drum channel.
What are you talking about?
You're not jumping a lake.
Sorry, you won't be cobers.

SPEAKER_02 (01:56:42):
No, and I I think if that's your goal, then why the
fuck are you playing to beginwith?
I mean, exactly.
You know what I mean?
Like, I think you should playfor the love of the craft, and
then if you have something tosay on the instrument, you
should put it out there.
Um I mean, I I I the only reasonI put my videos out there.
Yeah.
Tony's working on finallygetting his stuff out there.

(01:57:03):
He's finally looking forward tothat.
I can't wait for it.
And I can't imagine it's notgonna just explode.
But my thing with it is, youknow, I'm not playing incredible
stuff.
It is literally just me havingfun on the kit, which is kind of
a is um infectious in that way.
Isn't that the idea though?
Isn't that the idea to have funon the kit?

SPEAKER_00 (01:57:23):
That's the idea though, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 (01:57:24):
That's exactly it.
And I actually, believe it ornot, I'm kinda like you.
I I do one take.
I turn on the camera, I play it,and that's it.
Um it's not, I mean, you're whenyou do that, I watch all I watch
almost all your daily Facebooks.
I'm just like, fuck, you know,because I know you're doing
that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:57:39):
Um I haven't I haven't done anything for a
month because there's a coupleof deaths in the family, so I
just sort of, you know, takingcare of the stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (01:57:45):
I know you mentioned, you know, one of them
recently.
So um but I you know, I loveyour Facebook videos.
Um and I love just what you'reshowing.
And like I said, I I I thinkthat resonates just genuine, you
know, not like I said, I respectEl Estoprio for sure what he's
doing.
Um that's not what I'm goingfor.

(01:58:08):
And I think unfortunately the ElEstoprio's fantastic slayer, but
striving for that perfection sohard is what all these younger
drummers are now striving for.

SPEAKER_00 (01:58:21):
But what he's doing though, it's interesting because
uh you think he was losing what?

SPEAKER_02 (01:58:26):
I think then you're losing the passion for the
playing and you're just strivingfor perfection.

SPEAKER_00 (01:58:31):
Well, he does what he shows a bit, and I think most
of his fans know but don'treally get it, is the amount of
practice he's done.
Um enormous amounts of practice.
You don't just get up there andstart playing blistering uh bass
drums with drinking a coffee andflicking sticks.
I mean, it just doesn't happen.
Uh when you got Dennis Chamberssaying you're the best drummer

(01:58:51):
in the world, it's uh he's putan enormous amount of time into
that.
Um he's getting paid his justrewards and he just deserves
that.
Uh the um I were one of thoseguys where they scare.
I know in in in Sydney, I'drather get killed for gigs, and
I think it's because one,because I wouldn't have the
vaccine.
I know that's a fact.

(01:59:12):
I refuse to.
And people then people couldthat that people are like, okay,
I forgive you for being wrong,but you will you forgive me for
being right?
No, they never will.
That's fine, okay.
That was the government's plan.
They achieved it.
Okay, I'll get on with it.
Other thing is also I've heardthat this in Hong Kong people
saying, oh, why are we playinggoing to break into 2116?
Why would I break into 2116 andI'm playing boom, boom, why

(01:59:35):
would I do that?
I could, but why would I dothat?
If I did, I'd play 2116 over 4-4just to really piss you off.
I'm not gonna do it.
I mean, I I don't mean I'd play24-16 modulo through 4-4.
In the space of four counts,I'll play 21-16.
And I remember Chad Wackerman,he came to Australia years ago

(01:59:56):
because he's got a disabled boywho he loves to lie to death, of
course.
I'm very proud of, but it'sdifficult having a disabled
child, we know about that.
Uh the um uh he educated him inin Sydney.
He could barely get a gig.
Who's gonna employ ChadWackerman?
He's too good.
How can someone be too good?

SPEAKER_02 (02:00:14):
Looks like they're overqualified, I guess.
But it's ridiculous.
And certain other musicians alsohave insecurities.
When you were talking about the21 over 16.
Okay, just because you know thatI can do that makes you feel
insecure that that might pop upsomewhere and it would throw you
off and make you look bad on abang uh on a bandstand.

(02:00:35):
So I mean I've I've heard toomany people say the same thing.
Well, there's no I don't want tohear you play Latin left foot.
Well, why the hell would I?
We're playing Proud Mary.

SPEAKER_00 (02:00:46):
He could squeeze two, three clavi in it.
I'm thinking about how.
Okay.
But I think I need food.

SPEAKER_02 (02:00:56):
I hear the sentiment with the the the crazy thing is,
is and I and I still play inlike, you know, bar bands, dance
bands, and stuff like that.
And I think it's because Icontinue to play that style of
music, it especially after themodern drummer thing, people
needed to hear me play simplebecause they were afraid I was

(02:01:16):
gonna come light the bandstandon fire.
And it's like, no, that's notwhat that's for.
That's that's a whole otherthing.
So other side, that's okay.
And I mean, do I enjoy that kindof stuff?
Sure.
I mean, that's why I put all thetime that I do it.
Because same kind of thing withwith what you've done.
Yeah, I mean, that stuff isamazing, but I'm pretty sure you

(02:01:42):
don't even show up with a kitthat you could do that stuff to
play a cover gig.
So it's it there's so muchinsecurity and and uh my kit's
here.

SPEAKER_00 (02:01:54):
It's a 954 premiere.
It's got one bass drum, uh onetom, one floor tom, a snare
drum, and two cymbals.

SPEAKER_02 (02:02:03):
There you go.
You're ready to go.
Well, okay, let me ask you, letme ask you two like literal
virtuosos here, and like legitlegitimately, because you guys
are obviously truly world-classplayers and uh objectively
world-class players.
So the fact that you guys bothcan do all this absolute
insanity, whatever your nicheis, because you both have very

(02:02:25):
distinct niches with what youdo, and it's phenomenal things,
phenomenal um concepts andthings.
Does it bother you that peopledon't catch on to that?

SPEAKER_00 (02:02:38):
No, the stupid does it does does architect does uh
architect bother that someonedoesn't get the uh complexities
of the applied mathematics ofthey've uh design?
No.
I personally think first for me,this for me, uh arrogance
wanting to do that.
I I just accept, you know, whenI mean I walk down out of my

(02:03:00):
apartment, my house here, downthe footpath, past the trees.
I don't have to have theunderstanding of the the the
trees as a botanist does.
I don't doesn't bother me.
Yeah, I see I just accept thatno, that's fine.
Um it does bother me whensomeone says good beat, it's
like okay, you're saying goodbeat and you're uh it's pretty

(02:03:21):
crap, so you're a moron, yeah.
But then again, you know, butbut but when it comes to
Romanian or speaking Italian,I'm a moron.
We're all morons.
I can't reverse park a truck.
I can't start a train.
I can't do an oil change in thecar.
Um, I don't know what thosethings on the train line are,
where the cables are, where itwith the train touches, and I

(02:03:44):
don't know what those things arecalled.
I mean moron, we're all morons,and that's why I don't like
these musicians who thinkthey're so special because
they're they've got pop they'repopular.
So I I don't think you knowwhere the bell of a bassoon is.
I I'd be surprised if you knowhow to make uh a um a uh rice
pea life.
I mean, you go on all day.
We're all morons.

(02:04:05):
People carry on like as if theythink they're Jesus Christ.
You're not.
What did Socrates say when hewas dying?
I now know what I know.
I know nothing.
He's a pretty smart guy.

SPEAKER_02 (02:04:18):
Yeah, that's a good thing.
He's a smart guy.
I I think, I mean, I strugglewith this too.
I don't know about you guys, butit it's where you're like, I'm
not okay.
I struggle being okay with notknowing so much.
And I don't need to be I don'tmean like an expert or anything.
It's like I I don't like theidea that there is so much I
don't know.
You know that I'm somebody whocan't let things relax.

SPEAKER_00 (02:04:40):
Like you know, my saying that I I still don't know
what Tony does.
I still can't give my headaround it.

SPEAKER_02 (02:04:47):
Right, right.
Here's the thing is that Iconceptually, and I'm talking
conceptually, understand whatyou're doing, what Tony does,
even what Virgil does,conceptually, I I can pick up on
that.
Can I physically replicate that?
No.
Do I have a desire to at thispoint?
No.

(02:05:07):
Yes, I do.
I remember having thatconversation about the fives.
Yeah, I mean, you know, I'mwatching a lot of these guys
play the fives and and all thatstuff, and I'm like, God, that's
cool.
And I was trying a long time, Iwas like spending so many hours,
spending so many hours trying tohold that perfectly.
And finally, I'm like, why am Idoing this?

(02:05:29):
Because you guys do all sorts ofthings that are brilliant, and
I'm like, fuck, I wish I coulddo that.

SPEAKER_00 (02:05:36):
But in saying that, can you play true by standard
ballet?
It's a serious question.
Most drummers can't do itbecause of the brakes.
They're out of time when theycome back in.

SPEAKER_01 (02:05:47):
Where's the sound?
Where's the sound gone?
Can you hear me?

SPEAKER_00 (02:05:54):
I can't hear you.
Wave your hand if you can hearme.

SPEAKER_02 (02:05:59):
Can you hear us now?

SPEAKER_00 (02:06:00):
Yeah, exactly.
I was saying, but it's all thesefancy things.
Can you play true?
Can you play true by um SpandoBallet?
And most drummers can't, becausethe brakes we're out of time.
Yeah.
He can sing it, of course heplays so many instruments.
So yeah, I'm just saying thebrake is so because it's a drum
machine.
It's it's so precise.

(02:06:21):
Um and it's those sort of thingsthat are difficult.
It's like, can you play drumslike Leavenhelm and the band and
sing and sound like that?
No.

unknown (02:06:30):
No.
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (02:06:31):
But Jim Kyotner talks about that, but he said,
but I can't sing like Leaven.

unknown (02:06:36):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 (02:06:38):
So I told the complexity of things.
That's why I don't I don't getit with people.
They they I don't care theydon't appreciate what I do, but
there's morons.
I mean, they they think that umyou know, people say, but I
don't really like that.
Yeah, but he's hot.
Well, I'm not gay, I don't getoff of that.
And it's like, you know, he'shot.

(02:06:58):
But it looks like a girl.
Yeah, he's hot.
Okay, he's hot.
Fantastic.
I'm happy for he's hot.
Fantastic.
Uh um, so what's that got to dowith the music?
Right.
He's hot.
Okay, fine.
Um I think like they go, BuddyRich warming, you guys like guys
like that.
Buddy Rich warming these people,you know, firing their guitars

(02:07:19):
and stuff, detracting the factthat they can't play their
instruments.
Buddy warned us about theseguys.
Um, Frank Zappa warned us aboutthese guys.
Uh but I'm not gonna dwell onthat because there's bigger
things in the world.
There are people dying ofdiseases that shouldn't be on
this planet.
There are uh there are maniacsmaking viruses, blaming
countries like China uh whenthey financed it and basically
made it.
Uh I'm sick of hearing thisshit.

(02:07:40):
It's like, you know, there'sbigger things in the world that
someone understands what Tony,Tony Madeiras and Chris Bryan
are doing.
Um I said they could, but then,you know, that's fine.
Uh but every day, every day wewalk past geniuses, we just
don't know.
Every week we walk pastmurderers.

SPEAKER_02 (02:07:56):
That's a scary one.

SPEAKER_00 (02:07:58):
That's pretty scary.

SPEAKER_02 (02:07:59):
Well, yeah, that's that's part of being human,
right?

SPEAKER_00 (02:08:02):
And every minute we walk past transgender people
because they're everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 (02:08:08):
Yeah, I mean, you're you're right.
You're absolutely right, Chris.
Yeah, I hell that's that's avery organic place to stop it,
actually.
If you're good.

SPEAKER_00 (02:08:21):
I'm not talking about it, transgender.
I'm sorry if I offend anyonewho's who's struggling with uh
gender dysphoria.
I do I do apologize.

SPEAKER_02 (02:08:28):
No, but you you made a good point on that as far as
like wait till you're an adultto make that decision.
I was actually to wrap it up.
I was talking to my wife evenabout that.
You know, we have a son, andwould I ideally prefer Max beat
um Pedro?
Yes, but the reason why isbecause of the struggles he's
gonna have in society from it.
How hard that's how hard that'sgoing to be for him.

(02:08:49):
It has nothing to do withreligious bullshit or any of
that.
It's like, you know what?
If if he will if he is is that,that's great.
He also needs to organicallycome to that decision himself.
Um if you shove I think if youshove anything down your kid's
throats, whether it's religion,whether it's sexuality, um, you
know, likes and dislikes, any ofthat.

(02:09:10):
I think they have to comeorganically to that.

SPEAKER_00 (02:09:12):
How old is he?

SPEAKER_02 (02:09:13):
Oh, eleven months.

SPEAKER_00 (02:09:15):
I think like whether he's a whether he's a whether he
has Pinola to stop whether he'sa shirtlifter.

SPEAKER_02 (02:09:23):
He's either gonna be a shirtlifter or a puth or wear
a poof star or um I mean would Iprefer him as my son to be
heterosexual?
Yes, I mean I would.
But again, mainly it's you know,I for the the struggles he's
going to have, anybody wouldhave with being homosexual, or I

(02:09:44):
mean, worse is in the strugglesthey're gonna have transgender.
Again, you have to come to thatorganically through your
formative years.
I mean, how many of us are sofucked up in our teens?
You know, we don't know what todo.

SPEAKER_00 (02:09:56):
The truth is you and she basically saying you don't
want him to come home one dayand say, Dad, Daddy, I want to I
want to pose the donkey.
You don't need it.

SPEAKER_02 (02:10:04):
I mean, if he's 18 and he wants to explore that,
that's fine.
I mean, hell, kids are exploringthings in school anyway.
But my point is that that needsto be an organic thing that he
comes to.

SPEAKER_00 (02:10:15):
It's interesting, you're such a young you've got
such a young child.
So turning up with having thesethoughts, my child was 11 months
old.
We're thinking about when's thisNavy training gonna finish and
uh uh uh when's this when's thismorning chant gonna finish?
It's gonna go for about 29years.
Uh the um uh we weren't thinkingabout whether um my son's gonna
come out and say, I really likecock.

(02:10:36):
We're doing everything, youknow.

SPEAKER_02 (02:10:37):
Like um Do you know why who was that ingredient?
Because it's so prevalent now.

SPEAKER_00 (02:10:44):
Um there you know, it wasn't thrown in your guys'
face when even your son orthat's a poor choice of words.

SPEAKER_02 (02:10:54):
It wasn't thrown in your face.
You're right.
What the thing is that you knowwith no mushroom stamps.

SPEAKER_01 (02:11:01):
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 (02:11:04):
Oh god.
Well, sorry, we'll be seriouswith you.
Sorry.
No, it's irrelevant.
The amount of cocks to the facethese days is too many cocks on
the face, but that is just so inin damn it, I keep wanting to
say in our faces, and now y'allruin it.

SPEAKER_00 (02:11:23):
Who's who's that comedian that that uh Russell
Peters?
You've seen that joke he doesabout that.
You know that he says women inthe eighties, so push 90s, uh
Atlantic strip, thousands,nothing.
Twenties, 2020.
Fuck.
It's like oh, that's good.

(02:11:46):
That's he was really angry aboutit, so it's like he's saying, my
father said there's many there'sno homosexuals in no homosexuals
in in India.
Dad with any few homosexuals inIndia.
We'd never have some.
Russell Bates is a very funnyman.
Um there you go.

(02:12:06):
Uh so there you go.
Going to comedians, Joe Rogan.

SPEAKER_02 (02:12:11):
Movies, uh movies, drumming, comedian,
transgenders, and comedian.
I mean, we've covered it all.
Yeah.
And uh man, this this went awhile, Chris.
Like, this was a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_00 (02:12:25):
We really tried drumming though.
Didn't talk about uh didn'treally talk much about drumming
or uh part two.
I do part two, that'd be good,okay.
That'd be great.
I can find it.

SPEAKER_02 (02:12:36):
Oh, we we would love to do part two.
Like that was a blast.
Um well you can actually what dothey call it when you have the
recurring because honestly, itwould be awesome.
A sequel.
I I do think it would be fun tobring him on live.
Yeah, uh, he doesn't have aTikTok though.
Oh, he has Insta though.
He has Insta.
You can do it on Insta.

(02:12:56):
Can you do it on Instagram?
Yeah, it's not quite as big, butwould you uh question, Chris?
Eventually, would you want to golive with us on Insta?
You know what that is?
I know you're not big into thesocial.

SPEAKER_00 (02:13:08):
Oh, I even know I've got an account I'm gonna look at
it.
Uh I'm assuming Insta isInstagram, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 (02:13:13):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:13:14):
Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (02:13:15):
If we just have to do that.
What it would be is that wewould go live, like people would
be able to tune in as we'rehaving the conversation.
Excuse me.
I tooted.
Oh, I pooted out.
Well, now it's for forever.
But um, what I was gonna say yougo, fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 (02:13:31):
You made you ready.

SPEAKER_02 (02:13:33):
Ready to go.
I have a virgin anus.

SPEAKER_00 (02:13:40):
Oh my god, it's going, it's going it's going
downhill now very quickly.
Um we can keep going, Chris.

SPEAKER_02 (02:13:46):
This is this is how it goes.
Toward the end of the episodesis where it goes off the rail.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:13:50):
Um I've literally I've got uh four minutes.

SPEAKER_02 (02:13:54):
All right.

SPEAKER_00 (02:13:57):
Three minutes.

SPEAKER_02 (02:13:58):
We'll just sit here in silence for that three
minutes.
You know what?
I'll speak into the microphoneand you can orgasm while I speak
into it.
There you go, a little ASMR tocarry some orgasms.

SPEAKER_00 (02:14:08):
There you go.
There you go.

SPEAKER_02 (02:14:10):
You know, what I'm gonna wrap it up with and Tony's
gotta get up at four in themorning.

SPEAKER_00 (02:14:13):
What time is that now?
About 11?
What time is it?

SPEAKER_02 (02:14:15):
1112.

SPEAKER_00 (02:14:17):
You go up at 4 a.m., mate?

SPEAKER_02 (02:14:19):
Yeah.
He's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 (02:14:21):
You're working in the hospital at early in the
morning, is that what you'redoing?

SPEAKER_02 (02:14:24):
Oh no.
That's my therapy.
I go to the gym.

SPEAKER_00 (02:14:28):
Is it a home gym or are you actually going
physically to a gymnasium?

unknown (02:14:31):
I gotta go to the gym.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (02:14:34):
What what is it?
Leg the legs tomorrow?
Uh upper torso, what is ittomorrow?

SPEAKER_02 (02:14:38):
Tomorrow.
Tomorrow we'll be back in bicepsand butt.

SPEAKER_00 (02:14:43):
Working your butt?
Okay, fantastic.
I can't stand it.

SPEAKER_02 (02:14:46):
One of my favorite jokes Bill Burr is having on his
pot.
Do you like Bill Burr?
He's got three minutes.

SPEAKER_00 (02:14:50):
Not when he's talking about Australia, because
he talks crap.
He doesn't know nothing aboutAustralia.
I don't know how he's talkingabout Australia.

SPEAKER_02 (02:14:55):
You know what's funny is none of none of no
American knows anything abouttruly Australia.
I've learned so much about it.

SPEAKER_00 (02:14:59):
It's just crap about it.
It just talks crap.
So I uh when he starts talkingabout Australia, I thought, you
know, I don't make jokes aboutNew York.
I don't know anything.

SPEAKER_02 (02:15:07):
I I yeah, at times it's talking about jokes about
you should make jokes about NewYork.
But one of his funny joke aboutthe gym is he has a big gay gym.
He like when he goes to the gym,most of the people there are
gay.
And he says his gym is so gay itshould be spelled J-I-M.
And that the crowd goes wild.

(02:15:28):
Anyway, sorry.
I thought that was weird.
J-I-M.
Like J-I-M.
Like the name.
Jim.
It's so gay that it should becalled J-I-M, not J-Y-M.
G-Y-M.
It should be spelled J-I-S-M.
That was better.

(02:15:48):
And we're gonna do the podcaston that one.

SPEAKER_00 (02:15:51):
That's that's fantastic.
Good luck to you.

SPEAKER_02 (02:15:53):
Thanks, Bill.

SPEAKER_00 (02:15:54):
Thanks, Bill, for giving us a Yeah, not a huge
Bill Burr fan, not a huge fan.
I was in Charse.
When you said to my Australian,it's like, oh, I'm this is, you
know, then they try and doAustralian accents.
It's like, oh gee.

SPEAKER_02 (02:16:05):
But you love my Australian accent.
It's just cringe.
You love my Australian accent.

SPEAKER_00 (02:16:08):
Give me an Australian.
Give it to me.

SPEAKER_02 (02:16:11):
Okay.
And let's go.
Let's let's in it with anAustralian accent, Ma.

SPEAKER_00 (02:16:19):
Holding this lady from uh Sussex.

SPEAKER_02 (02:16:23):
It's like Miss Doubtfire.
Okay.
My wife described it as theseagull from uh finding Nemo.

SPEAKER_00 (02:16:32):
Yeah, that is.
She's right, it is.
Uh the uh right.

unknown (02:16:35):
I mean they were rattled.

SPEAKER_00 (02:16:36):
Rob Robin Williams couldn't do an Australian
accent, Jim Carrey can't do it.
Some people can.
Uh the Australian accent and theuh the South African accent are
hard to do.
But me, like you Blackbusted, wecan speak like a South African,
because a South African accentis very similar to an Australian
accent.
Uh New Zealanders, hey blood, itblood, want some cover, man.
Let's go down there.

(02:16:58):
We've got this massive blackguy, six foot three.
Man, we got church on Sundays at10 a.m.
It's just amazing.
You think you can rip your houseoff once they take a church and
give you a mail.
Uh we can pick out NewZealanders because we're very
similar to that.
Uh uh, but the Americans doingAustralian actions is just
cringe.
It's cringe.

SPEAKER_02 (02:17:17):
I'm sorry you feel that way about my accent,
because I thought it was prettygood.
That's not a noise.
That's not a noise.

SPEAKER_00 (02:17:23):
Well, you would say, huh?
I can't I can't do American.
I cannot do American.
There's no idea American.

SPEAKER_02 (02:17:29):
Yeah, let's I give you my own.

SPEAKER_00 (02:17:30):
I don't know what to do.

SPEAKER_02 (02:17:31):
Let's hear your redneck.
Come on, let's hear yourredneck.

SPEAKER_00 (02:17:33):
I can't do redneck.
Uh I think I just I I there's aI can't remember his name.
He died if he's got very funny.
Norm.
Norm someone.

SPEAKER_02 (02:17:41):
Uh Norm McDonald.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:17:42):
Yeah, exactly.
You know, my my my my mynephew's gonna have it.
He really likes cock.
So he's just that guy can't doAmerican accents.
Just on I think he's onCanadian.
Is it Canadian, is he?
No.
Why were these talented why werethese talented Americans
Canadians?

SPEAKER_02 (02:17:58):
Okay, yeah, um, I wanna I want to end on something
actually pretty profound here.
A cock.
Um I wanted to mention that um,you know, you said that American
accent Americans are not good atAustralian accents.

SPEAKER_00 (02:18:18):
Um Australians are not good at American accents
either.

SPEAKER_02 (02:18:24):
And Finn, all right.

SPEAKER_00 (02:18:26):
Yeah, we're not good at Australian accents.
The only one here who is is uhKate Blanchett.
She's the only one.
Um Mel Gibson.
Well, Mel Gibson's an Americanwho was born in America, grew up
here.
Uh yeah, most of we can't doAustralian actions.
I mean, Russell Crowe hasfinally now just started doing
accents in movies.
Up until about seven years ago,it was it wasn't until he did

(02:18:47):
Unhinged, which is a greatmovie, uh he did an American
action.
Up to then he said, I don't doaccents.
It took me years to learn how todo that.
Um Sam Neal does not do accents.
What's that?

SPEAKER_02 (02:18:58):
Jackman?

unknown (02:18:59):
Huge?

SPEAKER_00 (02:19:00):
Jackman.
No, he doesn't.
He's just Australian accent.

SPEAKER_02 (02:19:03):
Well, like, what about Wolverine and and
prisoners?

SPEAKER_00 (02:19:06):
That's not American action, is it?
It sounds more Australian to me.

SPEAKER_02 (02:19:09):
Well, then he's clearly doing a poor uh see.
I think we're more accent deafor whatever than you guys are.

SPEAKER_00 (02:19:17):
Well, there's more of you guys talking than us.
That's why.
The uh um it's all of us.
Uh if it stays, I can hear myaccent.
I can hear it.
The uh Huge uh Huge Act been umno uh uh and also uh what's his
name?
Chris Chris Hensworth.
Never does an accent.
He speaks with that.
Oh, it's mashing, yes.
Has this Australian uh uh a bitlike um uh uh who's the guy who

(02:19:41):
mashed the uh the stuck updoctor who's at the end towards
the end of the series?
Um uh winchy or something.
Winshire Wolchie or somethinglike that.
Um had that um and also um uhwho else had that?
Um uh Ruddy McDowell had thataccent.
Uh Dr.
Smith from the Lost of Space hadthat accent.

(02:20:02):
It's a a refined BritishAmerican accent where uh Chris
Hensworth has this refinedAustralian accent, which is
slightly British.

SPEAKER_02 (02:20:09):
Yes, Chris Hensworth.

SPEAKER_00 (02:20:10):
He doesn't know American accent, he doesn't know
American accent.

SPEAKER_02 (02:20:13):
Yeah.
Chris Hemsworth is tall.

SPEAKER_00 (02:20:17):
Now you now you sound like South South African.

SPEAKER_02 (02:20:20):
Hey, I'll tell you what.
I will try to do certain accentsand I swing in between fifty of
them.
It's that it's that great.

SPEAKER_00 (02:20:27):
I can't do accents.
I can't do American accents isvery difficult.
Can't do it.
When I was a kid, I I didn'thear American accents on TV
shows.
When Marsha Brady was ontelevision, to me she was
speaking like an Australian.
I couldn't hear sure.
Exactly.
I couldn't hear her.
I can now.
Um the monsters, do they haveAmerican accents?

SPEAKER_01 (02:20:50):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:20:55):
Such a good show.
Uh Herman.
And uh Lily's just gorgeous.
Oh my god.
Uh they're just a fantastic TVshow.
Uh the um Yeah, we couldn't hearthe accent.
Get Smart, I heard the accent.
Don Adams, I can hear theaccent.
He's obviously a comic genius.
I could hear his accent.
Um uh and someone in Australiawe don't like is Jim Jefferys.

(02:21:18):
We can't stand the guy.
He's a prick.

unknown (02:21:20):
I'm not Van Ham either.

SPEAKER_00 (02:21:22):
He's Australian comedian, quite successful.
He's not he's not as successfulas Bill Burr, but he's doing
pretty well.
Uh, we we don't like him, he'san arrogant prick.
That would be good for yourpodcast.
That's why I was wrong then.
You just he's play playingcharacter.
You're just playing character.
I I don't know.
I have no idea.
Um it's uh I don't know.

(02:21:46):
Because he swears a lot.
And I'm not re you get like theIsaac Butterfield guy, the
Australian guy.
He I think he swears too much.
I don't uh it was funny whenRichard Pry did it.
Uh that's been done.

SPEAKER_02 (02:21:57):
Are you saying it's kind of black?
You're saying it's because he'sblack.
Hey Chris.
Chris.

SPEAKER_00 (02:22:03):
I'm gonna go.
You gotta go.

SPEAKER_02 (02:22:06):
I gotta end on this.
I gotta end on this.
He does, Chris.
Why don't you have a coke and asmile and shut the fuck out?
That's really what you're gonnasay.
That's what you're gonna end on?

SPEAKER_00 (02:22:17):
Why you why you why why are you holding a child's
cup?

SPEAKER_02 (02:22:21):
Huh?
It's not a child cup, it's it'smy tea.

SPEAKER_00 (02:22:24):
It's your tea in a cup.

SPEAKER_02 (02:22:28):
You don't want to know what's in here, Chris.

SPEAKER_00 (02:22:30):
No, I don't know.
I do not want to know, no.

SPEAKER_02 (02:22:32):
Um Well, we will we will uh we will do our uh
typical uh sign-off, which iswhere we uh go off camera and
you know do things to ouranyway.
This is beat beat the mentalhealth out of it with your host,
the defective schizo effective,aka Nick.
This is Tony Indy Pocket.

SPEAKER_00 (02:22:53):
And this is Um Christian John Stephen Bryan.

unknown (02:22:59):
Awesome.

SPEAKER_00 (02:23:02):
What?
Some people call me pedal boy,some people call me future
shock.
Depends on who you're talkingto.

SPEAKER_02 (02:23:08):
Pedal boy future shocker.

unknown (02:23:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:23:12):
So um it was just Chris Bryan.
Or in Japan.
Clitlian.

SPEAKER_02 (02:23:17):
Clislean.
Clitlian.
It's nice, it's very nice.

SPEAKER_00 (02:23:20):
I like Japanese.

SPEAKER_02 (02:23:22):
That's hot.
That's hot.

SPEAKER_00 (02:23:22):
Um Japanese are Japanese are awesome.

SPEAKER_02 (02:23:25):
Yes, yes.
Don't look all right, Mart.
Don't land bottle, didn't I sayit again?
You ought to look to the sowyou've become.

SPEAKER_00 (02:23:37):
English accents.
English accent.

SPEAKER_02 (02:23:39):
That was a horrible accent, by the way.
That's the best accent I've everheard, Chris.
Right here.

SPEAKER_00 (02:23:43):
That's good.
Well, I'm uh it's 221.
I'll get my daughter soon,otherwise she's gonna get angry
at me.

SPEAKER_02 (02:23:49):
Uh get her.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:23:51):
I'm gonna get her.
I'll speak to you guys soon.
Take a pleasure.
Thank you for your time.

SPEAKER_02 (02:23:57):
Oh, thank you.
That was so much fun.
We'll do part two.
Part Please!

SPEAKER_00 (02:24:02):
Oh disgusting people.

SPEAKER_02 (02:24:04):
That's Americans.

SPEAKER_00 (02:24:06):
That's why you haven't come here.

SPEAKER_02 (02:24:08):
We are crass and disgusting.

unknown (02:24:10):
Goodbye.

SPEAKER_00 (02:24:12):
Hopefully, one day I do get there.

SPEAKER_02 (02:24:13):
I'd like to get there one day.
Well, you can come stay with us.

SPEAKER_00 (02:24:16):
You know us.

SPEAKER_02 (02:24:17):
You gonna want to stay with me?

SPEAKER_00 (02:24:19):
I can watch.

SPEAKER_02 (02:24:21):
We're gonna come and do a live in in Australia too.
Actually, I yeah, that's a wholenother cast.
You go ahead, you get yourdaughter, we'll talk again.

SPEAKER_00 (02:24:31):
You like Australian girls, I think.

SPEAKER_02 (02:24:33):
I do.
They're all beautiful.
Newton John started it for you.

SPEAKER_00 (02:24:38):
She did.
She's running in the box, soshe's doing it.

SPEAKER_02 (02:24:40):
I don't care.
I did still have sex.
Okay, you went there.
I was gonna be a little moreblunt about it.
I'd still have sex actually, asbad as Xana do is, I could watch
it over and over just to watchher roller skate.
Oh, her in Greece at the end ofthat?
Oh my god.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:24:56):
I never I never got that.
I thought I saw her in thosepants thinking she must stink.
There's sweating in that pants.
So I thought.

SPEAKER_02 (02:25:01):
I'm sure there was a fair amount of I don't care how
much you think.
Odor.
There had to be some odor.

SPEAKER_00 (02:25:07):
But that studio lights are hot.
No.

SPEAKER_02 (02:25:11):
Feel your way.

SPEAKER_00 (02:25:13):
But that's nice.
The movies still play.
They still play.
Those movies still play.

SPEAKER_01 (02:25:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:25:18):
And John Travolta was sensational.
They still play.
Absolutely.
Good stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (02:25:22):
Feel good in leather pants too, Chris.
Stop it.
Alright.

SPEAKER_00 (02:25:27):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (02:25:27):
I thought we were talking about M.
Freegan and and John Travolta inleather pants.
I thought that's what this wasabout.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:25:34):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (02:25:34):
That's the part two.
You're doing the T's on the parttwo.
T's are for part two.

SPEAKER_00 (02:25:42):
I believe John Travolta bats for the other
side.
Is that true?

SPEAKER_02 (02:25:47):
Yeah, I think you're right.
He bats for the other side?
Yeah.
He did not know that.
He's with Christy Brinkley.
Or right, is that Joel?
Christy Brinkley's a translate.
Who's Billy Joel with?

SPEAKER_00 (02:26:03):
That's Billy Joel.
Christy Brinkley?
Oh, Christy Brinkley.
And he wrote some song we didn'tlike it.

SPEAKER_02 (02:26:07):
Uh Tanger.

SPEAKER_00 (02:26:08):
No, I know, but um, it's just a terrible song.

SPEAKER_02 (02:26:10):
Somebody really attractive it was.
Kelly Kelly Redman?
Was he with Kelly?
Kelly Ball.
Kelly.
Kelly.
I know who you're talking about.
Kelly Clarkson.
But you're saying it was thebeard?
I don't even know what you'retalking about.
Cover.
I still don't know what you'retalking about.
I know you're talking about.
Don't look to the Yeah.

(02:26:32):
Alright, we're actually gonnaend it this time, although that
was a great epilogue.

SPEAKER_00 (02:26:37):
Thank you.
Well, enjoy your week.
Good luck, everyone.

SPEAKER_02 (02:26:40):
We'll be in touch.
Let's talk drums later, andwe'll go live on Insta and all
that great, wonderful thing.
Things.

SPEAKER_00 (02:26:47):
That's cool.
Me just talking like this orbeing on the kit.

SPEAKER_02 (02:26:52):
We can do I think we should do a kit one, especially
you and T-Dog here.
Like you guys, I'll just sit andjacket while you guys are doing
it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (02:27:03):
That could work.

SPEAKER_02 (02:27:06):
That could work.
Just make the camera's pointinglow.

SPEAKER_00 (02:27:14):
Tony's gotta go to sleep.
He's gotta go to the gymtomorrow morning.
He's gotta go and impresssomeone.

SPEAKER_02 (02:27:18):
That part's true.
And you gotta pick up yourdaughter.

SPEAKER_00 (02:27:22):
So your son is with you just at home now, just you
and your son.
Is that correct?

SPEAKER_02 (02:27:26):
Oh yeah.
No, my wife hasn't at home.

SPEAKER_00 (02:27:28):
No, I'm talking about Tony.

SPEAKER_02 (02:27:31):
Oh yeah, my son's in the house.

SPEAKER_00 (02:27:34):
Fantastic.
So is it just you and him?

unknown (02:27:36):
Oh.

SPEAKER_02 (02:27:37):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (02:27:38):
Wife is great.
It's pretty good.
So don't ever go down.
Don't ever go down there again.
Never do that again.
Not worth it.

SPEAKER_01 (02:27:49):
Don't look to the the bottle, the knife, or the
gun, or a woman.

SPEAKER_02 (02:27:54):
Or the lady.

SPEAKER_00 (02:27:55):
No, the woman's the most lethal.

SPEAKER_02 (02:27:58):
Don't even go there.
Is that good?
Yes.
We're gonna lose so manylisteners.
Probably.
Send the hate mail to ChrisBryan.
Chris Brian! Kiss Chris BrianSomething Brilliant.

SPEAKER_00 (02:28:12):
Christy and John Sleeve and Bryant.

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