November 25, 2024 • 43 mins
What if the path from darkness to light is closer than it seems? Aiden Gabor's tumultuous journey from a life steeped in crime to a powerful transformation is a profound example of the strength of change and resilience.
A former associate of a notorious crime family, Aiden spent over a decade as a DOJ informant and undercover officer, leading to the conviction of numerous corrupt officials. Forced into a double life, he juggled his loyalty to family with his duty to expose corruption, navigating the dangerous line between survival and justice.
His struggles with addiction and personal demons paved the way for spiritual healing, ultimately finding peace in the Bahá'í faith. In his acclaimed book, "Conflicting Loyalties", Aiden shares his remarkable story, offering hope and inspiration for anyone seeking redemption. Diagnosed with ALS in 2020, he now lives with his wife, continuing to spread his message of transformation.
Let's enjoy his story!
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Daniela SM (00:04):
Hi, I'm Daniela.
Welcome to my podcast.
Because Everyone has a Story,the place to give ordinary
people's stories the chance tobe shared and preserved.
Our stories become the languageof connections.
Let's enjoy it, connect andrelate, because everyone has a
story.
Late, because everyone has astory.
(00:31):
Welcome.
My guest is Aidn Gabor, thoughthat's not his real name and he
uses a distorted voice toprotect his anonymity, so it is
sometimes hard to understand him.
Aidan's story is fascinating,Like watching a movie.
He was an associate ofnotorious crime family but spent
over a decade as an undercoverofficer and informant for the
Department of Justice.
(00:52):
Living a double life wasn'teasy.
He had to balance loyalty tohis family with his mission to
expose corruption, walking adangerous line between survival
and justice.
That contributed to addictionsand personal struggles, but
those challenges eventually ledhim to a spiritual healing and
(01:12):
peace in the Baha'i of faith.
He's still on his journey ofself-improvement, but he's come
an incredibly long way.
His story proved thattransformation is always
possible, no matter how darkthings start.
So let's enjoy his story.
Welcome, Aidan, to the show.
Aiden Gabor (01:31):
Thank you, thank you, dear, for inviting me.
Daniela SM (01:33):
My pleasure that you're here and I know you have
an interesting story, verydifferent from all the guests
that I had.
Why do you want to share yourstory?
Aiden Gabor (01:41):
You know, at first I did not want to write the book
but uh, my friend sam told meit would be great for therapy.
But my story is more like that.
You know, you can be in a darkplace bad person.
You can come into the light,you can change yourself.
So you can go from being a verybad person to very uh, being
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helpful society.
You can just transform yourselffrom being that way.
Plus, I also want to understandthat police officers are
getting a bad rap, that they'reall bad.
One bad police officer makes100,000 good ones look bad.
But there are people out theretaking down the bad politicians
and police officers out there,down the bad politicians and
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police officers out there.
So you know, don't blame everypolice officer you see by one or
two bad ones.
But you've got to understandthere are people trying to
remove them too.
Daniela SM (02:34):
All right, so we are ready for a good story.
I agree with what you're saying, because I have met people that
were in the wrong path and thenthey change and they are lovely
people now working really hardfor a very good cause.
Yes, ma'am, thank you.
So, aidan, when did your storystart?
Aiden Gabor (02:50):
Well, it really started when I was like 9, 10.
I grew up in a family and mydad was an associate with a
well-known, considered crimefamily.
We used to have like gatherings, I guess you would say like
barbecues, and we would gettogether and it started out
where you would.
Anytime you had respect foreverybody.
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But when you, when you, whenyou're younger, and the old ones
ask you to grab something, dosomething, you did it.
And so I learned from then.
You know, I did whatever thingand you know, for my age, I was
big for my age and I used to getin little scuffles with guys
that were four or five, sixyears old.
I mean, I would win a lot ofthe times, you know fights.
I never gave up on that and Ithink we had a the cowboy, his
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name was Eddie.
He saw something in me, I thinkbecause of just the way I was.
But he told me one day hey,come to my aid and give me a
chance.
Stop by the shop.
I got something for you I'dlike you to do for me.
All right, throw my bike overthere.
He said, take this package andhe gave me an address to this
person and then sometimes said,hey, they may give you something
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to bring you back.
You come back, you know.
But if there's anything you doyou don't look on your way there
, don't stop and talk to anybodyand don't look at anything on
your way back.
The same thing.
So I go drop off a package orwhatever it is, an envelope, and
then I come back.
You give me $20, $30, $40.
And back then, you know, Iwould go with my buddies to the
candy store.
I was the king.
(04:18):
You know we'd get $20, $30worth of candy.
Back then we had a pretty goodhaul.
Daniela SM (04:23):
Yeah, I can imagine.
Aiden Gabor (04:24):
Yeah, so this all started then.
Daniela SM (04:26):
What year was this more or less?
Aiden Gabor (04:28):
Around about the 70s.
Daniela SM (04:29):
And then this is in the US.
Yes, ma'am, All right.
Yes, I can imagine how that was.
$30 was a lot of money.
Aiden Gabor (04:37):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
My buddies.
They're like where are yougetting this?
I'm like, oh, I'm just doingthings at a friend's house.
You know I would go whereEddie's and if I wasn't doing
that I would sweep around.
They had a little social clubthere too.
It was a garage like for cars,and then right around the back
of it they had a big area tohave like a social area.
Everybody kind of get around, alittle kitchen in there and
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stuff.
I would sweep in there if I'mnot doing anything, or sweep in
the garage and make some moneythat way.
Daniela SM (05:05):
But that's how it all started for me but your
parents were also involved inthis group.
Or you were, or you would justhappen to be the only one no, my
dad was my dad an associatewith them.
Aiden Gabor (05:15):
But my dad had a real job too and he worked a lot
.
So if he wasn't doing stuffwith them going to Vegas or
Stardust or anything like thatthen he would be with me.
You know, I would, he'd be withthem or he'd be at work.
Daniela SM (05:30):
In the 70s.
Is this an Italian mob?
Aiden Gabor (05:33):
It was a few-star Italian mob.
Daniela SM (05:34):
All right, okay, and then.
So what happened?
You were the king, and whathappened then?
Aiden Gabor (05:39):
Well, you know, I just worked my way up.
I started, you know, as I gotolder, the guys.
There was a guy named Nicky youknow, he's not really in the
book, but he was.
You know, the guys were showingme.
So I learned how to use an icepick, a knife or an ice pick
mostly, and Nicky showed meexactly how to use it.
And back then I was like, yeah,this old guy is kind of weird.
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And then I was taught how toshoot a gun.
They and then I was taught howto shoot a gun.
They taught me how to drive.
They taught me how to stealcars and I worked my way up.
I sold a couple cars as I gotover 15, 16.
Then I started driving forEddie.
You know, I got some scuffs overthere.
I mean, we had a guy who waslike Eddie's right hand man
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named Dominic and him and I gotinto it one time.
He used to just push me aroundand kind of disrespect me and we
were told you know what?
Don't be disrespected, respect.
And one day he just shoved meand I hit the ground.
I picked up a pipe and I wentand I hit him as hard as I can.
He turned around with the gunand put it to my face and he's
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like enough enough.
Now I got yelled at.
He says you says you don'tunderstand who you're respecting
and disrespecting.
He's disrespecting me.
He goes I understand, I getwhat you're doing, but you got
to know the right people to dothis to.
Eddie had me kind of drive, warmand stuff and I'd go around
with him and then I would learnwith Dominic how to collect.
We'd go to places that we gotmoney for, like protection, and
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then we had people because I itwas a gambling and we would loan
and gamble place and they alsohad prostitution, but I wasn't
allowed to do anything with theprostitution, being like a young
man in my teens.
And then we would steal cars asa shop shop we did something, I
would collect and and beenforced by the people.
We never had an issue with thestores not paying.
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They always paid.
You know some complained, butnot too much.
But you know we had issues withthese genetic gamblers that
would, you know, borrow themoney or do something and they
wouldn't pay it back.
But the first time I went outwith Dominic just the two of us,
we were sitting in the car, hewas driving.
He looks over and punches me inthe face as hard as he can and
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I mean it's like when I waswondering, you see everything
spinning and he said that's forwhen you hit me.
You know disrespect, you know Idon't like you but I'm going to
deal with you.
And then you know we were justgoing to collect and there was a
couple times, you know, we gotinto it with people.
I got stabbed one time.
You know.
I got caught a couple of times,gotten some bites with people
that wouldn't want to collect ortry to run.
Daniela SM (08:10):
How was the feeling Like?
I mean, I'm sure it isinvigorating or exciting to
steal a car and not get caught,but what about the rest?
Were you not scared, or whatkind of personality you have to
have to do it.
Aiden Gabor (08:24):
well, scared or what kind of personality you
have to have to do it.
Well, you know, I found outlater in life that I had a
personality that had no empathyfor people and borderline,
sociopath, psychotic, and Ithink you needed to have those
at the time.
Now, you know, sitting theretrying to figure out how do you
have these, these issues, youknow.
You know you don't care aboutpeople because when I hurt
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somebody I thought my wholefeeling was it is what it is and
it sucks to be them.
I used to laugh.
I mean, to this day I can'twatch a horror movie or anybody
getting hurt with my wifebecause I laugh.
I think it's funny If someone'sgetting their arm, you know,
chopped off or it's broken, Ithink it's funny and I don't
know why I work on that everyday.
(09:05):
Later in life I found that out.
I also found out that when Ifinally had a talk with my
father, we finally met, you know, kind of talked, 10 years ago.
We finally had a chat about,you know, my mother who passed.
I was a mom at this boy.
They grew up in Budapest.
So during World War II andduring the Russian occupation,
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my mom and dad were partisans.
I don't know if you rememberwhat a partisan is.
It's like the people out therethat blow up things or disrupt
the military and stuff.
My mom one day would sit therewhen she was was passing and she
was screaming about theRussians coming in and they're
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going to attack her and hersisters again.
I didn't know this and so Iasked my dad about this.
When we finally talked he saidyour mom was part of.
She was the scariest person inthe world.
I think after they did to hershe would take, had this long
spear thing and she would juststab these guys.
She'd walk up to the soldiersand just stab them the Russian
soldiers and run off and she'slike I don't know how many she
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killed.
And I read a book from a womanthat says what your parents do
as a child, when traumaticthings could be hereditary and
that's could the doctors likethat.
That could be why you're theway you are.
And so that's when you answerhow my feelings were, why you're
the way you are, and so that'sthat's how my feelings were.
That's how it happened.
I had none with it.
I thought it was awesome.
You know, as a kid it was great.
Stealing a car was great.
(10:30):
I mean, one time some clowncame up trying to talk, like
what are you doing?
I'm calling the cops.
I beat him up, really, really,really bad.
I told him shove something intoyour mouth.
And I felt even better.
Then I thought that was awesome.
I would go and bring up the carand get a couple thousand
dollars for the car and they hadcertain ones they wanted.
(10:52):
He got more, we, they preferredbmws I, I don't know why,
probably easier to chop, andthey would chop them up and ship
the parts off and make moremoney off of it.
Daniela SM (11:04):
I didn't understand if your mom passed.
Aiden Gabor (11:07):
I grew up with my mom.
I was a mama's boy, so I grewup with my mom.
My mom was passing, she stayedwith me and one day, when the
storms were coming, she wasscreaming about the Russians
coming in and she never talkedabout it.
And they're doing this, they'regoing after her and her sister
about it.
And they're doing this.
They're going after her and hersister.
(11:27):
When I told my dad after I wentto school that I was going into
law enforcement, he disowned meand we didn't talk for 15 years
.
And then, like I said, 10 yearsago, around that, we finally
chatted and I had to ask himabout mom and she told me about
her going up.
You know, she told me she grewup Jewish and she hid it from
the Nazis.
I didn't know that either andmy father said yeah, we really
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don't talk about that that much.
It's something she asked me notto talk about.
He really hasn't talked aboutit to this day to me.
Daniela SM (11:56):
Wow, fascinating If the trauma can be passed through
DNA.
Wow, so you were with a mob butthen you became a police
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officer.
Aiden Gabor (12:19):
Eddie came to me and said hey, the FBI is coming.
They arrested Dominic.
They arrested Nick, theyarrested a couple of the other
guys in the crew and he said youhaven't been arrested, you need
to leave.
You go, make yourself better.
I have to leave, I'm leavingthe country.
Just let me know.
Just do me a favor, keep an eyeon my son.
I said yes, sir, I'm confused,he goes confused.
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He goes, go to school, makeyourself.
So he left.
That's the last time I saw,seen eddie.
I, I physically saw him.
He left and I went to schooland what happened was, as I'm in
school, I'm sitting there atthe dorm and these two clowns
are up in their seriouspolyester suits looking at me.
I'm like, okay, it's like areyou waiting?
Oh yeah, who are you?
And they're like you know we'rehere to talk to you.
(13:02):
We need to go have a littlechat.
I'm they're like you know we'rehere to talk to you.
We need to go have a littlechat.
I'm like am I in the rest?
No, you want to be, becausethat could be happening right
now.
I thought to myself I'm justgoing to tell these guys to F
off.
I thought you know what, let mesee what they want.
So I went with them and I had agreen roof.
I remember that we went in.
(13:23):
These guys are sitting therelike ordering coffee.
You want something to eat?
I'm like I'm really hungry,I'll have some orange juice.
So they said, hey, check thisout.
We got some great pictures.
You're going to love this.
So he throws this envelope infront of me and I open up.
In it it's me with Dominic, mewith Eddie, me with with Nick,
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me much more times with Eddie.
Then shows my dad with Eddie,my dad with Nick and Nikki a lot
of times and my with Dominic,and I'm just sitting there.
I'm like, okay.
Then they show me pictures ofmy mom with Eddie, my mom with
the guys, with different guysand different ones, with Eddie.
And I look and I go what's this?
(14:05):
They go well, you know you'veheard of this new law called
RICO.
I'm like, no, because we'reyour college boy, you know, go
to your library or universityand look up the new law.
It's RICO.
He says we got this.
You know, we know what you'vedone.
You're looking at like sevenyears in prison.
We got you in a federal prison,which means you're probably
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have to serve like 50, someyears minimum.
And I'm like what?
I really didn't care.
I didn't care about my dad andthey go.
Well, your dad and your mothertoo, they're looking the same
amount of time.
Now, when they said my mom,that's that hit me.
I'm like whoa, and you know I'mat that time I was, and I'm
like wait, my mom, yeah, yeah,she's looking about the same
amount of time.
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No-transcript.
I'm like what do you want me todo?
They go, well, here's what youdo.
First, we want you to party outof school, play with some
college girls.
We'll give you some money, justparty your way out.
And when you're out at the end,you know, at the year next year
we'll talk.
But why don't you think aboutthis?
And so they left.
They came back like two monthslater.
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I couldn't eat, I couldn't eat,I couldn't sleep, I played like
crap.
And then they told me again.
You decide, say, yes, sir, Iguess I'll do it.
When I got home, I was home fora little bit and they said okay,
I got a thing to meet at me andthere's like two hours away,
three minutes, this restaurantagain.
And they said this is what weneed you to do right.
(15:32):
You did great, so we need youto get on this police department
.
I looked at him and I saidexcuse me, you want me to be a
cop?
Yes, that's what you need to do.
We're going to give you thisdepartment.
We need you to get on.
We'll tell you what you do onceyou get on.
That was it.
So I went back home and I toldmy parents you know, school's
just not for me.
I don't want to be in school.
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My dad's like Aiden, what areyou going to do?
I said I want to be a cop.
My dad lost it.
You want to be a freakingflatfoot?
Are you freaking nuts?
I'm done.
Get out of here, get out ofthis house.
We're done.
Get out.
And I went to my mom.
My mom's like Aiden, if that'swhat you want, just you know you
.
You're a dead man.
You need to leave.
Go, stay with your cousins.
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I got on this police department.
Daniela SM (16:17):
You couldn't tell them the truth.
Aiden Gabor (16:19):
No, they told me.
If I ever talked about it ortold anybody, the deal's off and
I go right to prison.
I'm 19 at the time.
I just read about these newRICO laws.
I'm hard to appoint, but I wasa mama's boy.
I was so worried about my momso I did what they asked.
As a mama's boy, I was soworried about my mom so I did
what they asked.
I got on this department andthe first thing they said is we
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got a police officer on here.
After I got on, went to theacademy, they said we got a
police officer here that wethink is being a hitman for
another crew.
And I was just like you guyskidding me.
You actually want me to lookfor that you think is a hitman
for a crew.
You guys can't make this shityet.
That's what we want.
Daniela SM (17:00):
The thing is that your father knew that you were
going to the police and so hewill tell the rest of the people
, so you were not on the coveror anything like that.
Aiden Gabor (17:07):
No, what they told me was you're not going
undercover, you're going in asan informant.
So basically, we're not goingto have any backup.
We're not going to have anybackup, we're not going to
protect you.
If something goes wrong, it'sokay, we're okay with it if
something goes wrong.
So we just want information.
So you're just going in as aninformant, that's it.
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No, my dad didn't say shit.
My dad really didn't saynothing.
He was just so mad at me hedidn't know what I was doing.
He thought I wanted to be a cop.
My dad, to this day, doesn'tknow.
Daniela SM (17:42):
Oh really, so you couldn't tell him the truth by
now?
Aiden Gabor (17:46):
No, I wanted to, but my dad's got a worse temper
than me.
I figure I'm going to wait alittle bit longer with the book
before I tell them about it,because I don't know how his
reaction is going to be.
I'm going to be honest with youI love him, but I learned a lot
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from him too, as far as beingbrutal, but you know.
Wow that's cool.
Yeah, they wanted me to get on.
So the first guy they wanted meto talk to was a was a.
When I I.
It took me a long time, took meover a year.
You know, I got on and this youever met anybody with the most
abrasive personality in theworld that you meet them the
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first time you would just wantto slap them or hit them.
This was this guy.
His name was Terry.
Daniela SM (18:35):
And let me jump forward for a moment.
But since you said you had noempathy for other people, but
you still have feelings foryourself, did he hurt you that
your father didn't talk to you?
Or do you have those feelingsor you don't have those feelings
either?
Aiden Gabor (18:49):
You know what I have feelings towards my good
friends and family.
There's a difference I learned.
Family is everything.
You protect your family, yougive respect to each other, you
respect until that somebodydisrespects you.
And then you come out gunsblazing like this you could say,
and you get disrespected my mom, I was a mama's boy.
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I love my mom to this day and Iwould do anything for her even
though she's passed.
And it's just like I love mymom to this day and I would do
anything for her until she'spassed.
And it's just like, no, I havemy wife.
I would do anything for her andthe family and my friends.
I would do that.
But, as you know, I really youknow, yeah, my dad was brutal
and I learned a lot from him,but you know, I have two boys
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and I was not a good husband orfather when I was younger.
It took me until I met mycurrent wife that I actually
changed in my religion.
I started getting spiritual,but prior to that I was a
hardcore.
I was a very mean person.
Even when I was doing thisstuff with the law enforcement
and taking down bad policeofficers and politicians, I was
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still hardcore, because anybodythat's never worked as a law
enforcement or police officer.
Men and women, they don'tunderstand.
It's a thing called a blue line, but nobody understands.
You know what it's like to dothis, you know.
I think everybody should workone day in a big police
department just to see the stuffthat these men and women go
through every day, and maybethey'll have a little more
respect and understanding forthem, because they deal with a
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cesspool of people, of life, andwithout them, anarchy will be
all over.
You couldn't even describe allthese bad guys.
All over there will be.
You couldn't even describe allthese bad guys and there's
always going to be bad policeofficers, but there's always
going to be somebody out thereto try and stop them too.
Daniela SM (20:41):
When you were, you know, working for the mob and
then you go to the police.
Is there a difference?
Did you see that there'scompletely?
Can you say good and bad, or isit not really that way?
Aiden Gabor (20:52):
Yeah, there's a little difference and there
really isn't, because when I,when I was doing stuff with the
crew, it was respect and family.
You don't, you don't sayanything against your family,
you don't do anything againsttheir, against your.
You know, your, the otherpeople in the crew and I'm going
to say this day, I never saidanything to the law enforcement,
anybody ever.
Anybody was in the crew withanybody, even though they they
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thought I did.
I never said a word.
I would have told them to getup.
But when it came to bad policeofficers and policy, when I was
with the mob, when I was workingwith these guys in the crew we
see these guys, I would interactwith these bad police officers
and the politicians.
That's what I was bringing themoney and picking up money from
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and picking up stuff from.
And they'd be at the shop and Iwould say you policeman, yeah,
yeah, you want to look at mybadge?
Sure, you know that type ofthing.
And there was a couple timesthere were a couple of federal
guys I mean, are you a G-man?
Yes, sir, and they'd be doingstuff with Eddie as I got older
and what I think is what thereason that they came to me is I
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knew these people because thefirst town they went to was a
town away from where I grew upand it was a guy that was
pretending to be a hitman for acrew.
And eventually he admitted tome and his wife was losing it
and I told the guys I go, hey.
I told the two clowns I go, hey, listen here, the wife's lost
it.
She wants to talk about it.
It's killing her.
You need to.
(22:16):
You know you can get him rightaway.
He's already admitted to mewhat he did.
Now, if you want me to testifyand you're like no, no, we don't
want you to testify, we justwant information.
If you testify, you're one anddone.
We got some other plans for you.
I'm thinking in my head great,these clowns want some more crap
from me.
And you know, they end uparresting him.
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And he ended up going to prisonfor doing these two hits he
told me about and the wifeturned on him.
I gave him everything theyneeded.
Then they told me get on thisother department.
I go, really, which one?
It's the one I grew up in, thetown I grew up in.
I'm like you're kidding me, youguys are ass.
And they're like no, we need toget in, we and you need to do
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it.
So I got on the department.
But right before I got on, themayor and the commissioner, the
police and fire called me in andthey're like hey, you want to
be a police officer?
Yes, sir, he goes.
Oh, I heard you another time.
Yeah, there's all kinds of craphappening.
I wanted out of there.
Oh yeah, we heard, well, you'regoing to toe the line.
Yes, sir, you're going to dowhat you've been told to be a
good soldier.
Whatever you need, sir, I willdo whatever it takes.
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Whatever you guys ask of me, Iwill do it, you know.
And they're like oh, okay,you're, toe the line, you'll be
a good asset.
And then I got out of thedepartment and I ended up, and
when I worked for them, you know, I ended up taking down several
you know, nine or ten badpolice officers and four or five
politicians.
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And when I first was doing thefirst one with Terry, terry was
a drinker.
I drank a little bit, but hewas a gulper.
I don't know if you know what agulper is.
That's somebody that'sbasically drinking to get drunk.
They're an alcoholic.
I became a golfer doing thisand it started eating at me when
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I started going.
They got me on a departmentwhere I grew up and I became a
very bad alcoholic.
And during that time, you know,I've had hallucinations of St
Michael, the guardian of lawenforcement, coming after me
with the flaming sword andtelling me I'm betraying my
brothers and sisters in lawenforcement.
(24:23):
Because in law enforcement,like I said, you have the thing
called the blue line.
You have blinders on.
You don't talk about whatthey're doing, it's a law
enforcement thing, it's anin-house thing, and you tow the
blue line, you stay in that blueline.
And I was having these badrealizations.
I tried to kill myself becauseI couldn't talk about it.
(24:45):
You know I didn't trust my wifeat the time, my first wife
because I used to joke that Iworked for the other guy.
You know, not very religious, Icollect souls for the other guy
.
You know, not very religious, Icollect souls for the other guy
.
And I married Satan's daughter.
So that's how it was.
You know, my ex was always moreof her family.
(25:08):
She would have talked about it.
So I just started trying tokill myself.
I remember putting a magnumround in a .357 magnum, spinning
the barrel, snapping it closedand putting it to my temple, in
my mouth and on my chin andpulling the trigger and then
dropping it.
I know at least 200 times Iremember doing that.
(25:30):
I'd wake up where I'd have twoor three rounds in the gun and I
knew I had to pull the trigger.
I mean, my buddy, don I know,who's a friend of mine, grew up
with, who was a police officerin that town, found me drunk in
his hotel.
He said dude, you must havetried to kill yourself because
you had a three seven betweenyour legs with with two rounds
(25:50):
in it and it was cocked back togo again and for some reason God
had a reason for me not to killmyself.
I know at least a thousandtimes I tried to kill myself and
he would not let me.
Daniela SM (26:03):
For you, the challenge was that you couldn't
trust anybody and you were inthe middle of everything.
Aiden Gabor (26:08):
Yeah, yeah, to this day.
I don't trust people.
It's very hard to get close tome.
I don't have many friendsanymore.
I don't trust anybody.
I mean, I've had severalattempts in my life, like I said
, as a young guy I've beenstabbed, besides trying to kill
myself.
I've had a couple dozen timesof people putting guns in my
(26:28):
face and I tell them pull thetrigger, because you know, you
see what you get out of this,what's going to happen to you.
I had to think a lot of times onmy feet to get out of a certain
situations, but I was alwaysgood at it and, yeah, that's how
I got the book named CompletingLoyalties, because I couldn't
talk about it.
I was betraying my brothers andsisters.
(26:49):
I felt in law enforcement.
I felt like I betrayed myfamily with working with the
crew and everybody because Iwent into law enforcement.
So they you know I do know whatI'm doing.
Now, where you can't see myface, my voice is a little
distorted because there's been,like I said, several times, and
(27:09):
I'm not worried about the guysthat ran with they tried one
time but they're almost all dead.
It's the law enforcement guys Iput away.
They're starting to get out.
They're looking for who didthis for revenge and they've
already confronted people.
I know about this.
It was challenging in a lot ofrespects but you know,
(27:31):
throughout the whole thing, youknow, after I put away all these
politicians and stuff, theywere like, okay, we want to go
to this casino and see what'sgoing on there.
And I went there and I saidthere's nothing going on here,
it's like a bunch of crap boys.
And I'm like okay.
And then one day they said, hey, right, that's it, peace out,
thank you.
I thought maybe I'd become anagent.
(27:51):
Yeah, they basically just sayhere's a little stipend, you
have a great day.
Bye, we're all done.
Go be better in society.
Daniela SM (28:01):
The police say that.
Aiden Gabor (28:02):
Yeah, the DOJ Department of Justice who I was
informing with, and they gave mesome money.
So that was it.
Daniela SM (28:09):
So you were free now , so you could do whatever you
want.
Aiden Gabor (28:12):
Yeah, I just stayed with the casino.
You know, my ex and I were done.
What happened is they gave somemoney to us and I thought, okay
, she's like what this?
Well, I got injured and theythought she thought it was a
settlement from when I gotinjured and she gave all the
money to her family without myknowledge.
I ended up leaving her.
We ended up divorcing.
You know, going around I metthis woman who's my current wife
(28:35):
.
There's just somethingdifferent about her.
Who's my current wife.
There's just somethingdifferent about her.
You know, the funniest thingwith her is after we started
dating.
Five years into dating, I foundout that when I worked at my
first apartment, I arrested thisyoung girl for being in a bar
underage.
I was 20-something, this personI was 27.
(28:58):
This person was like 16.
I didn't think much of it.
I remember going and arrestingher.
I remember booking her andtaking pictures of her and then
the next day I get a hey, thatgirl you got last night, that's
okay, she's family.
Well, her uncle's a cop and soand so plays.
She's family.
We uncle's a cop in so-and-soplace.
(29:19):
She's family.
We cut her loose.
She's a kid, understand?
I was kind of pissed.
I wrote all that report andpaperwork for nothing.
Good job there, aiden Thanks.
So five years in our dating, Ifound out that was the woman I
arrested when she was 16 yearsold.
Daniela SM (29:35):
And she didn't recognize you either.
Aiden Gabor (29:36):
No, she didn't.
It's her uncle that recognizedme.
And then we got together andshe called my buddies and she's
like he's losing it.
He's having night terrors, he'sthrowing me around, he's
punching at things, he's hittingthe wall, he's screaming, he's
trying to handcuff me.
(29:57):
She goes.
I don't know what's going on.
It's happening every night.
I was having bad night, terrnight there.
So they came over to talk to meand and kind of find out what's
going on.
Well, Don had to go back, Samstayed with me and he's like no,
here, read this.
I'm like what do you want me toread?
I'm not great reader, let'sjust read this.
So it was a Baha'i writing.
Because he's a a Baha'i, hegoes this might help you.
(30:18):
So I started reading and he wasstill up with her and as I was
reading the Baha'i writings orI'll do Baha'i I was sitting
outside and it's a nice sunnyday, Finally, there's not a
cloud in the sky and I got thisfeeling and I did not like the
feeling.
It was really feeling weirdinside.
I went inside and screened herlike what's wrong?
(30:40):
I'm just feeling like she'ssick.
She's like I'm reading thiscrap from Abdul-Bahai.
I mean, it just made me feel.
She said no, that's not crapand it's you're feeling a little
spiritual, it's because it'sstarting to get to you.
I don't like it.
She's like well, you need toget used to it.
But you need to get used to it.
But Sam's like here's some moreRead, Read on up to the high
end of the high faith.
Sam's like.
(31:01):
He says you need to write abook on your experience.
Start now.
I believe in that wholly now.
I never did that as a youngperson growing up, and I do this
every day.
Try to be a better person and,you know, try to help the world
to be a better place, and thatreally, really helps me.
Like I do a lot of things withspecial needs people, special
(31:23):
Olympics, because I don't knowif you ever met a special needs
person, the world would look intheir eyes and they love you.
Hey, how much do you want toget a hug?
Hey, no, they don't know mylife story, they don't care,
they just hey, there's a friendof mine.
I'm going to give him a hug.
I'm looking at now.
That's the way the world shouldbe.
We should look through theireyes.
Unless you really hurt them,they're always going to be your
(31:45):
friend.
I think the world should bethat way.
Daniela SM (31:47):
Do you do trust people because they have guided
you to a spiritual differentpath?
Aiden Gabor (31:53):
Yes, but it's very hard for me to trust anybody.
I'm going to tell you right now, you know, even though I have
ALS, and I have every I stillcarry a knife, pick and a gun
with me, 24 seven.
Wherever I go, I am alwaysarmed, my wife's like why.
Daniela SM (32:09):
And what about your kids?
Do you have a relationship withthem?
Aiden Gabor (32:13):
I do now.
I really didn't growing up.
I had a little bit when theywere growing up.
I wasn't up.
I had a little bit when theywere growing up.
I wasn't around.
I was like I said I was not agreat father, but we do have.
I talk to him several times aweek.
Yeah, I have a really goodrelationship with them right now
.
Daniela SM (32:29):
That's good.
Let's talk about your book.
Yes ma'am, and I'm very happythat you have gotten to the
place where you are now, so youdecided to write this book right
after you started with theBahia group.
How long did it take you towrite this book?
Aiden Gabor (32:43):
It took about two and a half years to write this
book, you know, because it's amemoir.
So the funny story with it isyou know, you're like this and
they go oh, I forgot about that.
Oh, I forgot about that.
The memory starts coming backas you start going through it
again, and I had some very badnight terrors.
To start out, Serena wasreading and goes okay, you're 16
(33:06):
here, you're 26 here, thenyou're back to 15, then you're
30, then you're 20.
So you made it flow the way itis today.
We took some stuff out together.
You know, I had a ghostwriterwhich was amazing, and a young
man with special needs too,which is awesome.
Him and I really worked greattogether.
We went from there and that'skind of how it got to where it
is but you have to have such agreat memory too to remember all
(33:30):
that yeah, I didn't but it whenit started coming back.
That's why it took some time itcame back and so the purpose.
Daniela SM (33:38):
You know what is the purpose of your book.
Aiden Gabor (33:39):
To share that people know that you can be dark
in a dark place and come intothe light and you can be with.
Spirituality will help you,Religion will help you come into
the light and be the you can bea better person in society.
It's easy being bad.
That's the easiest thing in theworld is being bad.
Being good sucks, it's hard ashell.
Being bad that's the easiestthing in the world is being bad.
(33:59):
Being good sucks.
It's hard as hell being good.
I mean, it is tough.
You think, yeah, I work my wayevery day with this.
With the book, we're showingthat you can do this and it's
also showing that, hey, there'sbad police officers out there.
We all know that.
But there's people taking outthose bad police officers.
Out of 100,000 police officers,maybe one or two are bad, bad,
(34:24):
Maybe 100 of them, maybe 200 ofthem.
They're bad, but not bad bad.
And then you got the ones thatabuse the authority of another
1,000.
There's people taking out thebad ones, taking out the ones
that abuse their authority.
They are getting weed out.
But it's so hard because whenyou deal with these deceptive
people like they've done badthings, it's easy to become bad.
(34:46):
Because it's easy being bad,it's hard staying good and it
will eat them.
That's why suicide rates amonglaw enforcement officers are so
high because of what they seeand what they've gone through,
and they want it.
Oh my God, I got to stop myselffrom thinking that's so easy
doing what they're doing.
I think the book will helppeople understand that there are
people out there taking the badguys out, that the government
(35:08):
is trying to do, that you canturn your life around 180
degrees.
You know, with me it's about110, 120 degrees.
You know I still got a temper.
I still yell at people.
My mouth gets me in moretrouble than it needs to.
If you disrespect me, I becomea jerk and I work on that every
day.
Daniela SM (35:27):
For you.
The book has been helping you.
Aiden Gabor (35:29):
Yes, it brought it out.
I can work on certain things.
Sam was right that I needed toget this out.
Maybe somebody might read thisand think you know what I can be
.
Good, I could go talk tosomebody.
Let me look at that Baha'ifaith.
I never heard of that.
Let me check that out.
Or let me go to my synagogue.
(35:50):
Or let me go to my church andtalk to somebody and I'm just
hoping, if it helps one or twopeople to understand that you
can reverse from what you wereto be a better person, then I'm
I'm good with that.
Daniela SM (36:03):
No, that's wonderful and I'm glad that things have
turned around for you.
Do you think that you willchange anything in your life?
Aiden Gabor (36:10):
would I have changed anything in my life?
You know, I wouldn't be at thispoint.
If I really did, I wouldprobably be dead right now.
You know, my, my whole thing isif I would have told those
agents to get effed, leave mealone, where would I be right
now, who knows?
I always say God has a sense ofhumor because I tried committing
(36:31):
suicide.
I've had people point guns atme, I've had people shoot me,
I've had people stab, and thenhe didn't allow me to die.
He said you know what?
We're going to let you stayalive.
We're not going to let you getoff that easy for what you did.
We're going to give you ALS soyou can really suffer your end
of it and understand that whatyou did.
(36:51):
You can make yourself better.
Let's get out there and makeeverybody better, but your
ending is going to be not thegreatest in the world.
I have accepted that and, likeI said, I never cared if I had
died when I was growing up.
Now I care about living becauseI want to make the world a
better place and heal and getrid of racism, anti-sedentary.
We got to get rid of it andthat's the only way we can make
(37:13):
the world better.
As long as we keep that in theforefront, it's just going to
keep rolling into the way it isnow.
Daniela SM (37:19):
That's beautiful.
I'm really grateful that youthink like that, because it's
true, we're all the same andaccording to all these stories,
I realize that people just wantlove and we are all equal in a
way.
Aiden Gabor (37:31):
Oh yes, we all are.
There is nothing.
I don't care who you are, andI've learned that now we are all
equal.
It doesn't matter, just showlove for each other.
If we work together, this worldwill be so much better.
Daniela SM (37:45):
So do you think your empathy level for others have
grown?
Aiden Gabor (37:48):
Yeah, With these young men and women.
Yes, because they're notdeceiving.
Daniela SM (37:53):
When you grow up with knowing that there's always
a second agenda.
I feel like you're always alerton that and believe that
everybody has it, but I feelthat some people don't even
think about it.
Aiden Gabor (38:05):
You're absolutely correct, spot on.
Daniela SM (38:09):
Since you were younger, you already thought
about that against racism andinequality since you were
younger.
Yeah, you know what?
Aiden Gabor (38:17):
The funny part is, you know, eddie put that in us.
Now, one thing that eddie saidto us was we never drop drugs.
We do not do drugs I can't saythe word he used back then, but
it would let the gangs do it totheir own people.
You gotta have respect for eachother.
As far as as racism, you can'thave that.
(38:37):
It's not going to work.
To go after somebody because oftheir color is just, for me is
stupid and I always grew up withthat.
But Eddie said, yeah, this iswhat you need to do, and he put
that with him.
We just didn't deal with thedrugs.
We just, you know, we did otherthings.
Daniela SM (39:05):
Well, it's interesting.
Aiden Gabor (39:05):
You probably liked the all because it was a
community and they took care ofyou.
It's feeling loved andappreciated and respected into a
group of people, right?
Oh yeah, respect to me is a bigthing.
Respect has got to be earned.
You know it's not given.
Daniela SM (39:12):
You said, respect has to be earned.
I feel like there is a respectthat you have to have to every
human being for being just human.
And then you have another levelof respect that because I talk
to you and I know that you're anexpert on these or you know
more about this than that.
So you know I have the respectfor that.
But I think the basic is justto be respectful to everyone
(39:35):
because we're human beings.
Aiden Gabor (39:36):
No respect for each other, for being a human being.
But, as far as you know, caringabout that person back then I
didn't have caring.
Now I'm starting to get thatand I understand you got to
really care for people becausewhat you do to people and, like
I said, I struggle with thatevery day and respect is when I
say it's earned, you have toearn respect with people is you
(39:59):
show respect by notdisrespecting.
Daniela SM (40:01):
Okay, that's a good one.
I agree with that.
So I respect you and then youautomatically you respect me,
just forbidding me.
Aiden Gabor (40:08):
Yes, yes, I have no reason to not like somebody
unless they do something.
You're great with somebodyuntil they disrespect you.
Now we got a problem.
Daniela SM (40:17):
All right.
Yes, we do got a problem.
All right, aiden.
Is there anything else that Ican do to be of service for you
today in regards to your book oranything else that you want to
share?
Aiden Gabor (40:32):
Just let everybody know that you can pick up my
book on conflictingloyaltiescom.
Everything's on there.
I'll tell you every module youcan get it from.
I'll tell you a little bit moreabout the book.
But, like I said,conflictingloyaltiescom is the
place to go.
I'm going to tell you exactlywhere you can get it.
Daniela SM (40:49):
Okay, we will put that in the show notes and I
would like for people to followyou you have an Instagram and
you also have an ex and Facebook.
Have an Instagram and you alsohave a X and Facebook and they
can leave a comment on thisepisode as well, about what
resonates to them and, yes, whatthey learned, because, for sure
, I learn a lot.
Aiden Gabor (41:10):
Well, thank you so much, dear.
Yes, that's exactly what theycan do.
They can find me on there.
Yes, ma'am.
Daniela SM (41:17):
Yes.
So thank you, Aiden, for comingand sharing your story, sharing
a story to people that willnever have your life, and I'm
glad that you wrote the book.
Thank you.
Aiden Gabor (41:26):
Thank you, dear, thank you for having me on there
.
Daniela SM (41:27):
All right, take care .
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Welcome.
My guest is Aidn Gabor, thoughthat's not his real name and he
uses a distorted voice toprotect his anonymity, so it is
sometimes hard to understand him.
Aidan's story is fascinating,Like watching a movie.
He was an associate ofnotorious crime family but spent
over a decade as an undercoverofficer and informant for the
Department of Justice.
(00:52):
Living a double life wasn'teasy.
He had to balance loyalty tohis family with his mission to
expose corruption, walking adangerous line between survival
and justice.
That contributed to addictionsand personal struggles, but
those challenges eventually ledhim to a spiritual healing and
(01:12):
peace in the Baha'i of faith.
He's still on his journey ofself-improvement, but he's come
an incredibly long way.
His story proved thattransformation is always
possible, no matter how darkthings start.
So let's enjoy his story.
Welcome, Aidan, to the show.
Aiden Gabor (01:31):
Thank you, thank you, dear, for inviting me.
Daniela SM (01:33):
My pleasure that you're here and I know you have
an interesting story, verydifferent from all the guests
that I had.
Why do you want to share yourstory?
Aiden Gabor (01:41):
You know, at first I did not want to write the book
but uh, my friend sam told meit would be great for therapy.
But my story is more like that.
You know, you can be in a darkplace bad person.
You can come into the light,you can change yourself.
So you can go from being a verybad person to very uh, being
(02:02):
helpful society.
You can just transform yourselffrom being that way.
Plus, I also want to understandthat police officers are
getting a bad rap, that they'reall bad.
One bad police officer makes100,000 good ones look bad.
But there are people out theretaking down the bad politicians
and police officers out there,down the bad politicians and
(02:27):
police officers out there.
So you know, don't blame everypolice officer you see by one or
two bad ones.
But you've got to understandthere are people trying to
remove them too.
Daniela SM (02:34):
All right, so we are ready for a good story.
I agree with what you're saying, because I have met people that
were in the wrong path and thenthey change and they are lovely
people now working really hardfor a very good cause.
Yes, ma'am, thank you.
So, aidan, when did your storystart?
Aiden Gabor (02:50):
Well, it really started when I was like 9, 10.
I grew up in a family and mydad was an associate with a
well-known, considered crimefamily.
We used to have like gatherings, I guess you would say like
barbecues, and we would gettogether and it started out
where you would.
Anytime you had respect foreverybody.
(03:11):
But when you, when you, whenyou're younger, and the old ones
ask you to grab something, dosomething, you did it.
And so I learned from then.
You know, I did whatever thingand you know, for my age, I was
big for my age and I used to getin little scuffles with guys
that were four or five, sixyears old.
I mean, I would win a lot ofthe times, you know fights.
I never gave up on that and Ithink we had a the cowboy, his
(03:35):
name was Eddie.
He saw something in me, I thinkbecause of just the way I was.
But he told me one day hey,come to my aid and give me a
chance.
Stop by the shop.
I got something for you I'dlike you to do for me.
All right, throw my bike overthere.
He said, take this package andhe gave me an address to this
person and then sometimes said,hey, they may give you something
(03:57):
to bring you back.
You come back, you know.
But if there's anything you doyou don't look on your way there
, don't stop and talk to anybodyand don't look at anything on
your way back.
The same thing.
So I go drop off a package orwhatever it is, an envelope, and
then I come back.
You give me $20, $30, $40.
And back then, you know, Iwould go with my buddies to the
candy store.
I was the king.
(04:18):
You know we'd get $20, $30worth of candy.
Back then we had a pretty goodhaul.
Daniela SM (04:23):
Yeah, I can imagine.
Aiden Gabor (04:24):
Yeah, so this all started then.
Daniela SM (04:26):
What year was this more or less?
Aiden Gabor (04:28):
Around about the 70s.
Daniela SM (04:29):
And then this is in the US.
Yes, ma'am, All right.
Yes, I can imagine how that was.
$30 was a lot of money.
Aiden Gabor (04:37):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
My buddies.
They're like where are yougetting this?
I'm like, oh, I'm just doingthings at a friend's house.
You know I would go whereEddie's and if I wasn't doing
that I would sweep around.
They had a little social clubthere too.
It was a garage like for cars,and then right around the back
of it they had a big area tohave like a social area.
Everybody kind of get around, alittle kitchen in there and
(04:59):
stuff.
I would sweep in there if I'mnot doing anything, or sweep in
the garage and make some moneythat way.
Daniela SM (05:05):
But that's how it all started for me but your
parents were also involved inthis group.
Or you were, or you would justhappen to be the only one no, my
dad was my dad an associatewith them.
Aiden Gabor (05:15):
But my dad had a real job too and he worked a lot
.
So if he wasn't doing stuffwith them going to Vegas or
Stardust or anything like thatthen he would be with me.
You know, I would, he'd be withthem or he'd be at work.
Daniela SM (05:30):
In the 70s.
Is this an Italian mob?
Aiden Gabor (05:33):
It was a few-star Italian mob.
Daniela SM (05:34):
All right, okay, and then.
So what happened?
You were the king, and whathappened then?
Aiden Gabor (05:39):
Well, you know, I just worked my way up.
I started, you know, as I gotolder, the guys.
There was a guy named Nicky youknow, he's not really in the
book, but he was.
You know, the guys were showingme.
So I learned how to use an icepick, a knife or an ice pick
mostly, and Nicky showed meexactly how to use it.
And back then I was like, yeah,this old guy is kind of weird.
(05:59):
And then I was taught how toshoot a gun.
They and then I was taught howto shoot a gun.
They taught me how to drive.
They taught me how to stealcars and I worked my way up.
I sold a couple cars as I gotover 15, 16.
Then I started driving forEddie.
You know, I got some scuffs overthere.
I mean, we had a guy who waslike Eddie's right hand man
(06:19):
named Dominic and him and I gotinto it one time.
He used to just push me aroundand kind of disrespect me and we
were told you know what?
Don't be disrespected, respect.
And one day he just shoved meand I hit the ground.
I picked up a pipe and I wentand I hit him as hard as I can.
He turned around with the gunand put it to my face and he's
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like enough enough.
Now I got yelled at.
He says you says you don'tunderstand who you're respecting
and disrespecting.
He's disrespecting me.
He goes I understand, I getwhat you're doing, but you got
to know the right people to dothis to.
Eddie had me kind of drive, warmand stuff and I'd go around
with him and then I would learnwith Dominic how to collect.
We'd go to places that we gotmoney for, like protection, and
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then we had people because I itwas a gambling and we would loan
and gamble place and they alsohad prostitution, but I wasn't
allowed to do anything with theprostitution, being like a young
man in my teens.
And then we would steal cars asa shop shop we did something, I
would collect and and beenforced by the people.
We never had an issue with thestores not paying.
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They always paid.
You know some complained, butnot too much.
But you know we had issues withthese genetic gamblers that
would, you know, borrow themoney or do something and they
wouldn't pay it back.
But the first time I went outwith Dominic just the two of us,
we were sitting in the car, hewas driving.
He looks over and punches me inthe face as hard as he can and
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I mean it's like when I waswondering, you see everything
spinning and he said that's forwhen you hit me.
You know disrespect, you know Idon't like you but I'm going to
deal with you.
And then you know we were justgoing to collect and there was a
couple times, you know, we gotinto it with people.
I got stabbed one time.
You know.
I got caught a couple of times,gotten some bites with people
that wouldn't want to collect ortry to run.
Daniela SM (08:10):
How was the feeling Like?
I mean, I'm sure it isinvigorating or exciting to
steal a car and not get caught,but what about the rest?
Were you not scared, or whatkind of personality you have to
have to do it.
Aiden Gabor (08:24):
well, scared or what kind of personality you
have to have to do it.
Well, you know, I found outlater in life that I had a
personality that had no empathyfor people and borderline,
sociopath, psychotic, and Ithink you needed to have those
at the time.
Now, you know, sitting theretrying to figure out how do you
have these, these issues, youknow.
You know you don't care aboutpeople because when I hurt
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somebody I thought my wholefeeling was it is what it is and
it sucks to be them.
I used to laugh.
I mean, to this day I can'twatch a horror movie or anybody
getting hurt with my wifebecause I laugh.
I think it's funny If someone'sgetting their arm, you know,
chopped off or it's broken, Ithink it's funny and I don't
know why I work on that everyday.
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Later in life I found that out.
I also found out that when Ifinally had a talk with my
father, we finally met, you know, kind of talked, 10 years ago.
We finally had a chat about,you know, my mother who passed.
I was a mom at this boy.
They grew up in Budapest.
So during World War II andduring the Russian occupation,
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my mom and dad were partisans.
I don't know if you rememberwhat a partisan is.
It's like the people out therethat blow up things or disrupt
the military and stuff.
My mom one day would sit therewhen she was was passing and she
was screaming about theRussians coming in and they're
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going to attack her and hersisters again.
I didn't know this and so Iasked my dad about this.
When we finally talked he saidyour mom was part of.
She was the scariest person inthe world.
I think after they did to hershe would take, had this long
spear thing and she would juststab these guys.
She'd walk up to the soldiersand just stab them the Russian
soldiers and run off and she'slike I don't know how many she
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killed.
And I read a book from a womanthat says what your parents do
as a child, when traumaticthings could be hereditary and
that's could the doctors likethat.
That could be why you're theway you are.
And so that's when you answerhow my feelings were, why you're
the way you are, and so that'sthat's how my feelings were.
That's how it happened.
I had none with it.
I thought it was awesome.
You know, as a kid it was great.
Stealing a car was great.
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I mean, one time some clowncame up trying to talk, like
what are you doing?
I'm calling the cops.
I beat him up, really, really,really bad.
I told him shove something intoyour mouth.
And I felt even better.
Then I thought that was awesome.
I would go and bring up the carand get a couple thousand
dollars for the car and they hadcertain ones they wanted.
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He got more, we, they preferredbmws I, I don't know why,
probably easier to chop, andthey would chop them up and ship
the parts off and make moremoney off of it.
Daniela SM (11:04):
I didn't understand if your mom passed.
Aiden Gabor (11:07):
I grew up with my mom.
I was a mama's boy, so I grewup with my mom.
My mom was passing, she stayedwith me and one day, when the
storms were coming, she wasscreaming about the Russians
coming in and she never talkedabout it.
And they're doing this, they'regoing after her and her sister
about it.
And they're doing this.
They're going after her and hersister.
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When I told my dad after I wentto school that I was going into
law enforcement, he disowned meand we didn't talk for 15 years
.
And then, like I said, 10 yearsago, around that, we finally
chatted and I had to ask himabout mom and she told me about
her going up.
You know, she told me she grewup Jewish and she hid it from
the Nazis.
I didn't know that either andmy father said yeah, we really
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don't talk about that that much.
It's something she asked me notto talk about.
He really hasn't talked aboutit to this day to me.
Daniela SM (11:56):
Wow, fascinating If the trauma can be passed through
DNA.
Wow, so you were with a mob butthen you became a police
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officer.
Aiden Gabor (12:19):
Eddie came to me and said hey, the FBI is coming.
They arrested Dominic.
They arrested Nick, theyarrested a couple of the other
guys in the crew and he said youhaven't been arrested, you need
to leave.
You go, make yourself better.
I have to leave, I'm leavingthe country.
Just let me know.
Just do me a favor, keep an eyeon my son.
I said yes, sir, I'm confused,he goes confused.
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He goes, go to school, makeyourself.
So he left.
That's the last time I saw,seen eddie.
I, I physically saw him.
He left and I went to schooland what happened was, as I'm in
school, I'm sitting there atthe dorm and these two clowns
are up in their seriouspolyester suits looking at me.
I'm like, okay, it's like areyou waiting?
Oh yeah, who are you?
And they're like you know we'rehere to talk to you.
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We need to go have a littlechat.
I'm they're like you know we'rehere to talk to you.
We need to go have a littlechat.
I'm like am I in the rest?
No, you want to be, becausethat could be happening right
now.
I thought to myself I'm justgoing to tell these guys to F
off.
I thought you know what, let mesee what they want.
So I went with them and I had agreen roof.
I remember that we went in.
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These guys are sitting therelike ordering coffee.
You want something to eat?
I'm like I'm really hungry,I'll have some orange juice.
So they said, hey, check thisout.
We got some great pictures.
You're going to love this.
So he throws this envelope infront of me and I open up.
In it it's me with Dominic, mewith Eddie, me with with Nick,
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me much more times with Eddie.
Then shows my dad with Eddie,my dad with Nick and Nikki a lot
of times and my with Dominic,and I'm just sitting there.
I'm like, okay.
Then they show me pictures ofmy mom with Eddie, my mom with
the guys, with different guysand different ones, with Eddie.
And I look and I go what's this?
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They go well, you know you'veheard of this new law called
RICO.
I'm like, no, because we'reyour college boy, you know, go
to your library or universityand look up the new law.
It's RICO.
He says we got this.
You know, we know what you'vedone.
You're looking at like sevenyears in prison.
We got you in a federal prison,which means you're probably
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have to serve like 50, someyears minimum.
And I'm like what?
I really didn't care.
I didn't care about my dad andthey go.
Well, your dad and your mothertoo, they're looking the same
amount of time.
Now, when they said my mom,that's that hit me.
I'm like whoa, and you know I'mat that time I was, and I'm
like wait, my mom, yeah, yeah,she's looking about the same
amount of time.
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No-transcript.
I'm like what do you want me todo?
They go, well, here's what youdo.
First, we want you to party outof school, play with some
college girls.
We'll give you some money, justparty your way out.
And when you're out at the end,you know, at the year next year
we'll talk.
But why don't you think aboutthis?
And so they left.
They came back like two monthslater.
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I couldn't eat, I couldn't eat,I couldn't sleep, I played like
crap.
And then they told me again.
You decide, say, yes, sir, Iguess I'll do it.
When I got home, I was home fora little bit and they said okay,
I got a thing to meet at me andthere's like two hours away,
three minutes, this restaurantagain.
And they said this is what weneed you to do right.
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You did great, so we need youto get on this police department
.
I looked at him and I saidexcuse me, you want me to be a
cop?
Yes, that's what you need to do.
We're going to give you thisdepartment.
We need you to get on.
We'll tell you what you do onceyou get on.
That was it.
So I went back home and I toldmy parents you know, school's
just not for me.
I don't want to be in school.
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My dad's like Aiden, what areyou going to do?
I said I want to be a cop.
My dad lost it.
You want to be a freakingflatfoot?
Are you freaking nuts?
I'm done.
Get out of here, get out ofthis house.
We're done.
Get out.
And I went to my mom.
My mom's like Aiden, if that'swhat you want, just you know you
.
You're a dead man.
You need to leave.
Go, stay with your cousins.
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I got on this police department.
Daniela SM (16:17):
You couldn't tell them the truth.
Aiden Gabor (16:19):
No, they told me.
If I ever talked about it ortold anybody, the deal's off and
I go right to prison.
I'm 19 at the time.
I just read about these newRICO laws.
I'm hard to appoint, but I wasa mama's boy.
I was so worried about my momso I did what they asked.
As a mama's boy, I was soworried about my mom so I did
what they asked.
I got on this department andthe first thing they said is we
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got a police officer on here.
After I got on, went to theacademy, they said we got a
police officer here that wethink is being a hitman for
another crew.
And I was just like you guyskidding me.
You actually want me to lookfor that you think is a hitman
for a crew.
You guys can't make this shityet.
That's what we want.
Daniela SM (17:00):
The thing is that your father knew that you were
going to the police and so hewill tell the rest of the people
, so you were not on the coveror anything like that.
Aiden Gabor (17:07):
No, what they told me was you're not going
undercover, you're going in asan informant.
So basically, we're not goingto have any backup.
We're not going to have anybackup, we're not going to
protect you.
If something goes wrong, it'sokay, we're okay with it if
something goes wrong.
So we just want information.
So you're just going in as aninformant, that's it.
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No, my dad didn't say shit.
My dad really didn't saynothing.
He was just so mad at me hedidn't know what I was doing.
He thought I wanted to be a cop.
My dad, to this day, doesn'tknow.
Daniela SM (17:42):
Oh really, so you couldn't tell him the truth by
now?
Aiden Gabor (17:46):
No, I wanted to, but my dad's got a worse temper
than me.
I figure I'm going to wait alittle bit longer with the book
before I tell them about it,because I don't know how his
reaction is going to be.
I'm going to be honest with youI love him, but I learned a lot
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from him too, as far as beingbrutal, but you know.
Wow that's cool.
Yeah, they wanted me to get on.
So the first guy they wanted meto talk to was a was a.
When I I.
It took me a long time, took meover a year.
You know, I got on and this youever met anybody with the most
abrasive personality in theworld that you meet them the
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first time you would just wantto slap them or hit them.
This was this guy.
His name was Terry.
Daniela SM (18:35):
And let me jump forward for a moment.
But since you said you had noempathy for other people, but
you still have feelings foryourself, did he hurt you that
your father didn't talk to you?
Or do you have those feelingsor you don't have those feelings
either?
Aiden Gabor (18:49):
You know what I have feelings towards my good
friends and family.
There's a difference I learned.
Family is everything.
You protect your family, yougive respect to each other, you
respect until that somebodydisrespects you.
And then you come out gunsblazing like this you could say,
and you get disrespected my mom, I was a mama's boy.
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I love my mom to this day and Iwould do anything for her even
though she's passed.
And it's just like I love mymom to this day and I would do
anything for her until she'spassed.
And it's just like, no, I havemy wife.
I would do anything for her andthe family and my friends.
I would do that.
But, as you know, I really youknow, yeah, my dad was brutal
and I learned a lot from him,but you know, I have two boys
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and I was not a good husband orfather when I was younger.
It took me until I met mycurrent wife that I actually
changed in my religion.
I started getting spiritual,but prior to that I was a
hardcore.
I was a very mean person.
Even when I was doing thisstuff with the law enforcement
and taking down bad policeofficers and politicians, I was
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still hardcore, because anybodythat's never worked as a law
enforcement or police officer.
Men and women, they don'tunderstand.
It's a thing called a blue line, but nobody understands.
You know what it's like to dothis, you know.
I think everybody should workone day in a big police
department just to see the stuffthat these men and women go
through every day, and maybethey'll have a little more
respect and understanding forthem, because they deal with a
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cesspool of people, of life, andwithout them, anarchy will be
all over.
You couldn't even describe allthese bad guys.
All over there will be.
You couldn't even describe allthese bad guys and there's
always going to be bad policeofficers, but there's always
going to be somebody out thereto try and stop them too.
Daniela SM (20:41):
When you were, you know, working for the mob and
then you go to the police.
Is there a difference?
Did you see that there'scompletely?
Can you say good and bad, or isit not really that way?
Aiden Gabor (20:52):
Yeah, there's a little difference and there
really isn't, because when I,when I was doing stuff with the
crew, it was respect and family.
You don't, you don't sayanything against your family,
you don't do anything againsttheir, against your.
You know, your, the otherpeople in the crew and I'm going
to say this day, I never saidanything to the law enforcement,
anybody ever.
Anybody was in the crew withanybody, even though they they
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thought I did.
I never said a word.
I would have told them to getup.
But when it came to bad policeofficers and policy, when I was
with the mob, when I was workingwith these guys in the crew we
see these guys, I would interactwith these bad police officers
and the politicians.
That's what I was bringing themoney and picking up money from
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and picking up stuff from.
And they'd be at the shop and Iwould say you policeman, yeah,
yeah, you want to look at mybadge?
Sure, you know that type ofthing.
And there was a couple timesthere were a couple of federal
guys I mean, are you a G-man?
Yes, sir, and they'd be doingstuff with Eddie as I got older
and what I think is what thereason that they came to me is I
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knew these people because thefirst town they went to was a
town away from where I grew upand it was a guy that was
pretending to be a hitman for acrew.
And eventually he admitted tome and his wife was losing it
and I told the guys I go, hey.
I told the two clowns I go, hey, listen here, the wife's lost
it.
She wants to talk about it.
It's killing her.
You need to.
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You know you can get him rightaway.
He's already admitted to mewhat he did.
Now, if you want me to testifyand you're like no, no, we don't
want you to testify, we justwant information.
If you testify, you're one anddone.
We got some other plans for you.
I'm thinking in my head great,these clowns want some more crap
from me.
And you know, they end uparresting him.
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And he ended up going to prisonfor doing these two hits he
told me about and the wifeturned on him.
I gave him everything theyneeded.
Then they told me get on thisother department.
I go, really, which one?
It's the one I grew up in, thetown I grew up in.
I'm like you're kidding me, youguys are ass.
And they're like no, we need toget in, we and you need to do
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it.
So I got on the department.
But right before I got on, themayor and the commissioner, the
police and fire called me in andthey're like hey, you want to
be a police officer?
Yes, sir, he goes.
Oh, I heard you another time.
Yeah, there's all kinds of craphappening.
I wanted out of there.
Oh yeah, we heard, well, you'regoing to toe the line.
Yes, sir, you're going to dowhat you've been told to be a
good soldier.
Whatever you need, sir, I willdo whatever it takes.
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Whatever you guys ask of me, Iwill do it, you know.
And they're like oh, okay,you're, toe the line, you'll be
a good asset.
And then I got out of thedepartment and I ended up, and
when I worked for them, you know, I ended up taking down several
you know, nine or ten badpolice officers and four or five
politicians.
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And when I first was doing thefirst one with Terry, terry was
a drinker.
I drank a little bit, but hewas a gulper.
I don't know if you know what agulper is.
That's somebody that'sbasically drinking to get drunk.
They're an alcoholic.
I became a golfer doing thisand it started eating at me when
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I started going.
They got me on a departmentwhere I grew up and I became a
very bad alcoholic.
And during that time, you know,I've had hallucinations of St
Michael, the guardian of lawenforcement, coming after me
with the flaming sword andtelling me I'm betraying my
brothers and sisters in lawenforcement.
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Because in law enforcement,like I said, you have the thing
called the blue line.
You have blinders on.
You don't talk about whatthey're doing, it's a law
enforcement thing, it's anin-house thing, and you tow the
blue line, you stay in that blueline.
And I was having these badrealizations.
I tried to kill myself becauseI couldn't talk about it.
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You know I didn't trust my wifeat the time, my first wife
because I used to joke that Iworked for the other guy.
You know, not very religious, Icollect souls for the other guy
.
You know, not very religious, Icollect souls for the other guy
.
And I married Satan's daughter.
So that's how it was.
You know, my ex was always moreof her family.
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She would have talked about it.
So I just started trying tokill myself.
I remember putting a magnumround in a .357 magnum, spinning
the barrel, snapping it closedand putting it to my temple, in
my mouth and on my chin andpulling the trigger and then
dropping it.
I know at least 200 times Iremember doing that.
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I'd wake up where I'd have twoor three rounds in the gun and I
knew I had to pull the trigger.
I mean, my buddy, don I know,who's a friend of mine, grew up
with, who was a police officerin that town, found me drunk in
his hotel.
He said dude, you must havetried to kill yourself because
you had a three seven betweenyour legs with with two rounds
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in it and it was cocked back togo again and for some reason God
had a reason for me not to killmyself.
I know at least a thousandtimes I tried to kill myself and
he would not let me.
Daniela SM (26:03):
For you, the challenge was that you couldn't
trust anybody and you were inthe middle of everything.
Aiden Gabor (26:08):
Yeah, yeah, to this day.
I don't trust people.
It's very hard to get close tome.
I don't have many friendsanymore.
I don't trust anybody.
I mean, I've had severalattempts in my life, like I said
, as a young guy I've beenstabbed, besides trying to kill
myself.
I've had a couple dozen timesof people putting guns in my
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face and I tell them pull thetrigger, because you know, you
see what you get out of this,what's going to happen to you.
I had to think a lot of times onmy feet to get out of a certain
situations, but I was alwaysgood at it and, yeah, that's how
I got the book named CompletingLoyalties, because I couldn't
talk about it.
I was betraying my brothers andsisters.
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I felt in law enforcement.
I felt like I betrayed myfamily with working with the
crew and everybody because Iwent into law enforcement.
So they you know I do know whatI'm doing.
Now, where you can't see myface, my voice is a little
distorted because there's been,like I said, several times, and
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I'm not worried about the guysthat ran with they tried one
time but they're almost all dead.
It's the law enforcement guys Iput away.
They're starting to get out.
They're looking for who didthis for revenge and they've
already confronted people.
I know about this.
It was challenging in a lot ofrespects but you know,
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throughout the whole thing, youknow, after I put away all these
politicians and stuff, theywere like, okay, we want to go
to this casino and see what'sgoing on there.
And I went there and I saidthere's nothing going on here,
it's like a bunch of crap boys.
And I'm like okay.
And then one day they said, hey, right, that's it, peace out,
thank you.
I thought maybe I'd become anagent.
(27:51):
Yeah, they basically just sayhere's a little stipend, you
have a great day.
Bye, we're all done.
Go be better in society.
Daniela SM (28:01):
The police say that.
Aiden Gabor (28:02):
Yeah, the DOJ Department of Justice who I was
informing with, and they gave mesome money.
So that was it.
Daniela SM (28:09):
So you were free now , so you could do whatever you
want.
Aiden Gabor (28:12):
Yeah, I just stayed with the casino.
You know, my ex and I were done.
What happened is they gave somemoney to us and I thought, okay
, she's like what this?
Well, I got injured and theythought she thought it was a
settlement from when I gotinjured and she gave all the
money to her family without myknowledge.
I ended up leaving her.
We ended up divorcing.
You know, going around I metthis woman who's my current wife
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.
There's just somethingdifferent about her.
Who's my current wife.
There's just somethingdifferent about her.
You know, the funniest thingwith her is after we started
dating.
Five years into dating, I foundout that when I worked at my
first apartment, I arrested thisyoung girl for being in a bar
underage.
I was 20-something, this personI was 27.
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This person was like 16.
I didn't think much of it.
I remember going and arrestingher.
I remember booking her andtaking pictures of her and then
the next day I get a hey, thatgirl you got last night, that's
okay, she's family.
Well, her uncle's a cop and soand so plays.
She's family.
We uncle's a cop in so-and-soplace.
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She's family.
We cut her loose.
She's a kid, understand?
I was kind of pissed.
I wrote all that report andpaperwork for nothing.
Good job there, aiden Thanks.
So five years in our dating, Ifound out that was the woman I
arrested when she was 16 yearsold.
Daniela SM (29:35):
And she didn't recognize you either.
Aiden Gabor (29:36):
No, she didn't.
It's her uncle that recognizedme.
And then we got together andshe called my buddies and she's
like he's losing it.
He's having night terrors, he'sthrowing me around, he's
punching at things, he's hittingthe wall, he's screaming, he's
trying to handcuff me.
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She goes.
I don't know what's going on.
It's happening every night.
I was having bad night, terrnight there.
So they came over to talk to meand and kind of find out what's
going on.
Well, Don had to go back, Samstayed with me and he's like no,
here, read this.
I'm like what do you want me toread?
I'm not great reader, let'sjust read this.
So it was a Baha'i writing.
Because he's a a Baha'i, hegoes this might help you.
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So I started reading and he wasstill up with her and as I was
reading the Baha'i writings orI'll do Baha'i I was sitting
outside and it's a nice sunnyday, Finally, there's not a
cloud in the sky and I got thisfeeling and I did not like the
feeling.
It was really feeling weirdinside.
I went inside and screened herlike what's wrong?
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I'm just feeling like she'ssick.
She's like I'm reading thiscrap from Abdul-Bahai.
I mean, it just made me feel.
She said no, that's not crapand it's you're feeling a little
spiritual, it's because it'sstarting to get to you.
I don't like it.
She's like well, you need toget used to it.
But you need to get used to it.
But Sam's like here's some moreRead, Read on up to the high
end of the high faith.
Sam's like.
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He says you need to write abook on your experience.
Start now.
I believe in that wholly now.
I never did that as a youngperson growing up, and I do this
every day.
Try to be a better person and,you know, try to help the world
to be a better place, and thatreally, really helps me.
Like I do a lot of things withspecial needs people, special
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Olympics, because I don't knowif you ever met a special needs
person, the world would look intheir eyes and they love you.
Hey, how much do you want toget a hug?
Hey, no, they don't know mylife story, they don't care,
they just hey, there's a friendof mine.
I'm going to give him a hug.
I'm looking at now.
That's the way the world shouldbe.
We should look through theireyes.
Unless you really hurt them,they're always going to be your
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friend.
I think the world should bethat way.
Daniela SM (31:47):
Do you do trust people because they have guided
you to a spiritual differentpath?
Aiden Gabor (31:53):
Yes, but it's very hard for me to trust anybody.
I'm going to tell you right now, you know, even though I have
ALS, and I have every I stillcarry a knife, pick and a gun
with me, 24 seven.
Wherever I go, I am alwaysarmed, my wife's like why.
Daniela SM (32:09):
And what about your kids?
Do you have a relationship withthem?
Aiden Gabor (32:13):
I do now.
I really didn't growing up.
I had a little bit when theywere growing up.
I wasn't up.
I had a little bit when theywere growing up.
I wasn't around.
I was like I said I was not agreat father, but we do have.
I talk to him several times aweek.
Yeah, I have a really goodrelationship with them right now
.
Daniela SM (32:29):
That's good.
Let's talk about your book.
Yes ma'am, and I'm very happythat you have gotten to the
place where you are now, so youdecided to write this book right
after you started with theBahia group.
How long did it take you towrite this book?
Aiden Gabor (32:43):
It took about two and a half years to write this
book, you know, because it's amemoir.
So the funny story with it isyou know, you're like this and
they go oh, I forgot about that.
Oh, I forgot about that.
The memory starts coming backas you start going through it
again, and I had some very badnight terrors.
To start out, Serena wasreading and goes okay, you're 16
(33:06):
here, you're 26 here, thenyou're back to 15, then you're
30, then you're 20.
So you made it flow the way itis today.
We took some stuff out together.
You know, I had a ghostwriterwhich was amazing, and a young
man with special needs too,which is awesome.
Him and I really worked greattogether.
We went from there and that'skind of how it got to where it
is but you have to have such agreat memory too to remember all
(33:30):
that yeah, I didn't but it whenit started coming back.
That's why it took some time itcame back and so the purpose.
Daniela SM (33:38):
You know what is the purpose of your book.
Aiden Gabor (33:39):
To share that people know that you can be dark
in a dark place and come intothe light and you can be with.
Spirituality will help you,Religion will help you come into
the light and be the you can bea better person in society.
It's easy being bad.
That's the easiest thing in theworld is being bad.
Being good sucks, it's hard ashell.
Being bad that's the easiestthing in the world is being bad.
(33:59):
Being good sucks.
It's hard as hell being good.
I mean, it is tough.
You think, yeah, I work my wayevery day with this.
With the book, we're showingthat you can do this and it's
also showing that, hey, there'sbad police officers out there.
We all know that.
But there's people taking outthose bad police officers.
Out of 100,000 police officers,maybe one or two are bad, bad,
(34:24):
Maybe 100 of them, maybe 200 ofthem.
They're bad, but not bad bad.
And then you got the ones thatabuse the authority of another
1,000.
There's people taking out thebad ones, taking out the ones
that abuse their authority.
They are getting weed out.
But it's so hard because whenyou deal with these deceptive
people like they've done badthings, it's easy to become bad.
(34:46):
Because it's easy being bad,it's hard staying good and it
will eat them.
That's why suicide rates amonglaw enforcement officers are so
high because of what they seeand what they've gone through,
and they want it.
Oh my God, I got to stop myselffrom thinking that's so easy
doing what they're doing.
I think the book will helppeople understand that there are
people out there taking the badguys out, that the government
(35:08):
is trying to do, that you canturn your life around 180
degrees.
You know, with me it's about110, 120 degrees.
You know I still got a temper.
I still yell at people.
My mouth gets me in moretrouble than it needs to.
If you disrespect me, I becomea jerk and I work on that every
day.
Daniela SM (35:27):
For you.
The book has been helping you.
Aiden Gabor (35:29):
Yes, it brought it out.
I can work on certain things.
Sam was right that I needed toget this out.
Maybe somebody might read thisand think you know what I can be
.
Good, I could go talk tosomebody.
Let me look at that Baha'ifaith.
I never heard of that.
Let me check that out.
Or let me go to my synagogue.
(35:50):
Or let me go to my church andtalk to somebody and I'm just
hoping, if it helps one or twopeople to understand that you
can reverse from what you wereto be a better person, then I'm
I'm good with that.
Daniela SM (36:03):
No, that's wonderful and I'm glad that things have
turned around for you.
Do you think that you willchange anything in your life?
Aiden Gabor (36:10):
would I have changed anything in my life?
You know, I wouldn't be at thispoint.
If I really did, I wouldprobably be dead right now.
You know, my, my whole thing isif I would have told those
agents to get effed, leave mealone, where would I be right
now, who knows?
I always say God has a sense ofhumor because I tried committing
(36:31):
suicide.
I've had people point guns atme, I've had people shoot me,
I've had people stab, and thenhe didn't allow me to die.
He said you know what?
We're going to let you stayalive.
We're not going to let you getoff that easy for what you did.
We're going to give you ALS soyou can really suffer your end
of it and understand that whatyou did.
(36:51):
You can make yourself better.
Let's get out there and makeeverybody better, but your
ending is going to be not thegreatest in the world.
I have accepted that and, likeI said, I never cared if I had
died when I was growing up.
Now I care about living becauseI want to make the world a
better place and heal and getrid of racism, anti-sedentary.
We got to get rid of it andthat's the only way we can make
(37:13):
the world better.
As long as we keep that in theforefront, it's just going to
keep rolling into the way it isnow.
Daniela SM (37:19):
That's beautiful.
I'm really grateful that youthink like that, because it's
true, we're all the same andaccording to all these stories,
I realize that people just wantlove and we are all equal in a
way.
Aiden Gabor (37:31):
Oh yes, we all are.
There is nothing.
I don't care who you are, andI've learned that now we are all
equal.
It doesn't matter, just showlove for each other.
If we work together, this worldwill be so much better.
Daniela SM (37:45):
So do you think your empathy level for others have
grown?
Aiden Gabor (37:48):
Yeah, With these young men and women.
Yes, because they're notdeceiving.
Daniela SM (37:53):
When you grow up with knowing that there's always
a second agenda.
I feel like you're always alerton that and believe that
everybody has it, but I feelthat some people don't even
think about it.
Aiden Gabor (38:05):
You're absolutely correct, spot on.
Daniela SM (38:09):
Since you were younger, you already thought
about that against racism andinequality since you were
younger.
Yeah, you know what?
Aiden Gabor (38:17):
The funny part is, you know, eddie put that in us.
Now, one thing that eddie saidto us was we never drop drugs.
We do not do drugs I can't saythe word he used back then, but
it would let the gangs do it totheir own people.
You gotta have respect for eachother.
As far as as racism, you can'thave that.
(38:37):
It's not going to work.
To go after somebody because oftheir color is just, for me is
stupid and I always grew up withthat.
But Eddie said, yeah, this iswhat you need to do, and he put
that with him.
We just didn't deal with thedrugs.
We just, you know, we did otherthings.
Daniela SM (39:05):
Well, it's interesting.
Aiden Gabor (39:05):
You probably liked the all because it was a
community and they took care ofyou.
It's feeling loved andappreciated and respected into a
group of people, right?
Oh yeah, respect to me is a bigthing.
Respect has got to be earned.
You know it's not given.
Daniela SM (39:12):
You said, respect has to be earned.
I feel like there is a respectthat you have to have to every
human being for being just human.
And then you have another levelof respect that because I talk
to you and I know that you're anexpert on these or you know
more about this than that.
So you know I have the respectfor that.
But I think the basic is justto be respectful to everyone
(39:35):
because we're human beings.
Aiden Gabor (39:36):
No respect for each other, for being a human being.
But, as far as you know, caringabout that person back then I
didn't have caring.
Now I'm starting to get thatand I understand you got to
really care for people becausewhat you do to people and, like
I said, I struggle with thatevery day and respect is when I
say it's earned, you have toearn respect with people is you
(39:59):
show respect by notdisrespecting.
Daniela SM (40:01):
Okay, that's a good one.
I agree with that.
So I respect you and then youautomatically you respect me,
just forbidding me.
Aiden Gabor (40:08):
Yes, yes, I have no reason to not like somebody
unless they do something.
You're great with somebodyuntil they disrespect you.
Now we got a problem.
Daniela SM (40:17):
All right.
Yes, we do got a problem.
All right, aiden.
Is there anything else that Ican do to be of service for you
today in regards to your book oranything else that you want to
share?
Aiden Gabor (40:32):
Just let everybody know that you can pick up my
book on conflictingloyaltiescom.
Everything's on there.
I'll tell you every module youcan get it from.
I'll tell you a little bit moreabout the book.
But, like I said,conflictingloyaltiescom is the
place to go.
I'm going to tell you exactlywhere you can get it.
Daniela SM (40:49):
Okay, we will put that in the show notes and I
would like for people to followyou you have an Instagram and
you also have an ex and Facebook.
Have an Instagram and you alsohave a X and Facebook and they
can leave a comment on thisepisode as well, about what
resonates to them and, yes, whatthey learned, because, for sure
, I learn a lot.
Aiden Gabor (41:10):
Well, thank you so much, dear.
Yes, that's exactly what theycan do.
They can find me on there.
Yes, ma'am.
Daniela SM (41:17):
Yes.
So thank you, Aiden, for comingand sharing your story, sharing
a story to people that willnever have your life, and I'm
glad that you wrote the book.
Thank you.
Aiden Gabor (41:26):
Thank you, dear, thank you for having me on there
.
Daniela SM (41:27):
All right, take care .
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