October 28, 2024 • 44 mins
Pamela's journey is inspiring. She overcame a difficult childhood with an abusive, alcoholic father to become a successful entrepreneur and spiritual leader. Pamela shares how art school served as a sanctuary where she first embraced her uniqueness, and a life-altering encounter with a psychic medium offered the closure she never expected, changing the course of her life.
Pamela's journey took her from being an artist to starting a successful marketing and branding firm. She was inspired by spiritual teachings, like those from Abraham Hicks and the law of attraction. These ideas helped her make bold choices, such as ending her marriage to focus on her personal growth and healing. Practices like Reiki and meditation enabled her to discover hidden talents during a time of personal change and spiritual awakening. Pamela learned that our words and thoughts shape our reality.
Pamela Downes founded Spirit Calling, a platform that guides people through their spiritual awakening. The Spirit Calling online community offers classes and tools to heal the body, mind, and spirit.
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Daniela SM (00:00):
Hi, I'm Daniela.
Welcome to my podcast.
Because Everyone has a Story,the place to give ordinary
people's stories the chance tobe shared and preserved.
Our stories become the languageof connections.
Let's enjoy it, connect andrelate, because everyone has a
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story.
Late, because everyone has astory.
Welcome.
Today.
My guest is Pamela Downs.
What a beautiful human.
She shares her inspiringjourney from a difficult
childhood with an abusivealcoholic father to becoming a
successful entrepreneur andspiritual leader.
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After finding solace in artschool, a life-changing
encounter with a psychic mediumgave her the closure she never
expected.
Inspired by teachings likeAbraham Hicks and the law of
attraction, Pamela made boldchoices to focus on healing and
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personal growth and now, as thefounder of Spirit Calling, she
helps others on their spiritualjourney.
So I hope you enjoy her storyas much as I did.
Pamela Downes (01:15):
Welcome, Pamela to the show.
Oh gosh, I'm so happy to behere and it's so great to see
your smiling face.
I can't wait to talk today.
Daniela SM (01:23):
Yes, yes, I'm super excited and I can see beautiful
colors that you have surroundingyou.
So it's just amazing.
It's perfect thing to do towake up in the morning and see
these amazing colors and yourbeautiful smiles.
Pamela Downes (01:33):
So, yes, oh, thank you, that's so nice.
Daniela SM (01:36):
Yes, and so you're here because you have a story,
so why do you want to share yourstory?
Pamela Downes (01:42):
Because I believe that sharing my story can
inspire others that maybe havegone through some of the same
things that I've gone throughand can see how your life can
change in ways you never evenimagined, never even thought of,
never even on your vision boardor in your ideas.
Daniela SM (02:00):
Yes, and that's true .
Sharing stories is so importantand thank you for doing that.
So when does your story start,pamela I?
Pamela Downes (02:08):
think that my story starts when I was a young
girl.
I never felt like I really fitinto my family.
I always felt like I wasdifferent, even in my friend
groups.
What I had going on wasmultifaceted.
I was a musician and I was anartist.
I was a super feeler, but Ididn't really understand what
any of that was back then, untilI was older and could
understand.
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I was an empath.
I had an Italian Catholicupbringing and I had a beautiful
grandfather and grandmother.
I had a nice life, but I alsohad a challenging life because
my father was an emotionally andphysically and verbally abusive
alcoholic.
The whole entire world revolvedaround him and we were all
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fearful of him and I didn't havea relationship of love.
I had one of fear with him so Ilacked confidence in regards of
knowing that I had a strongfather figure to instill that
confidence in me.
As a young daughter, thatdidn't exist.
I always got along really wellwith people.
I always resonated andconnected with older adults.
I wound up waitressing throughmost of my since I was 15, I
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waitressed all the way up intopay for college.
So I waitressed for a long time, met a lot of different kinds
of people there.
I just always was different.
I didn't understand myuniqueness until I, of course,
got older.
We all travel on our life path.
We have our journey, we haveour story that evolves into the
story of who we are.
I wound up finding my peoplewhen I went to art school and I
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found a whole bunch of peoplethat were just like me.
They were weird and I was likeI resonate with these people, I
get these people, I feelcomfortable with these people.
I finally, as a young woman,started understanding my worth,
started feeling like I broughtsomething to the world, like I
had talent, like I had a voice.
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I started seeing how peopleresponded to me and I started
understanding that I ambeautiful, I am worthy.
I remember my first job that Igot.
I was an art director of amagazine in Philadelphia.
I kept on thinking that theywere going to find out that I
was an imposter, like they weregoing to find out that I really
shouldn't be in this job,although they hired me and they
made me go through all thethings to get the job.
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But that's how insecure I was.
I wound up getting married,having my own children, and in
my marriage it was what everyonedid.
It was the next step.
You fell in love, you gotmarried, you had babies, and
everybody's families were allinvolved with everybody's
families, and that's what youknew, it's what you grew up with
, so it's what you did.
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I would like to say that therewas a culmination of things that
were happening in my life.
My father, who had stoppeddrinking, returned to alcohol,
and I was watching him lose hisbattle to alcohol.
I was going through what I callmy knockdown.
The recession happened in 2012,and my husband and I at the
time, I had my own business.
He had a job in corporate andhe lost his job.
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The marketing got cut and Ilost a lot of my clients, and so
we were going through a shift.
We lived in an affluent town andwe had money, and we had
experiences, and we had friendsand we had all these things, and
every decade of your life, youlearn something new about
yourself, about the world, aboutall the things, and at that
moment in my life I had adynamic shift.
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I had my knockdown.
Everything in my life changedat the same time.
I did not understand what washappening.
My father died and I witnessedthe life leave his body and I
thought where did my father go.
His body's here, but the energy, like who he was just was gone.
I didn't understand that.
I started understanding thatthere was more to a physical
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form than just this physicalbeing and I started going down
this rabbit hole of wanting tounderstand what that was.
I was invited to this spiritualmedium gallery and I walked in
to the gallery and I sat down inthe front.
The psychic medium was there.
I had never been to a psychicmedium before.
He came over to me and he saidyour father's here.
He died of his liver or alcohol.
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And I said, yeah, that'sexactly how my father died.
My father lost his battle toalcohol and his liver failed.
He wants you to know that he'shere and that he never told you
how talented you were and thenhe never told you how creative
you were and he never said thathe loved you.
And he sees how you show up inthe world.
And then he never told you howcreative you are and he never
said that he loved you.
And he sees how you show up inthe world and he sees the kind
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of person that you are and hewishes that he could be more
like you.
And at the time I was goingthrough really difficult things
in my life.
I was losing my retirement, myhusband lost his job.
We actually lost our house.
We lost our friends.
Ultimately, I lost my marriage.
That was like a big statementfor me for him to say that,
because I knew how he showed up,I knew who he was and he never,
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never told me I was talented ortold me that he loved me or
appreciated me or evenunderstood me right.
So that was proof to me thatlife existed beyond our physical
form, that there was life afterdeath.
Daniela SM (07:08):
And you believe in things like this before.
Pamela Downes (07:10):
No, I didn't.
I was raised Catholic and atthe time, you know, these pieces
were moving in my life.
The Catholic church was goingthrough a major shift.
There was a lot of secrecyhappening, a lot of abuse to
children happening, a lot oflike shuffling priests to
different parishes and likesecrecy happening and I was like
what is that?
I don't understand what that is.
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That's not like love, like thatdoesn't make sense.
And then I kept thinking okay,if God is love and I die, how is
God?
Who is love going to look at meand judge me and either give me
eternal life or sentence me toeternal damnation?
I don't understand that.
That's a complete contradictionof love.
Those pieces don't fit to me.
And then my children are born.
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I did the baptism, I did all thethings that I was supposed to
do because I was a good daughterand good granddaughter and good
Catholic person.
But it didn't feel rightbecause this perfect little baby
that was born in perfection,they were telling me if I didn't
baptize it, that it was goingto go to hell.
I'm like I mean, none of thosethings made sense to me.
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I was just having breakdowns.
Everything was breaking, thethreads were pulling apart and
this whole reality that I knew,that I once knew and I was bred
into it, was just diminishing.
So then when my dad died, itwas like, oh okay, where did he
go?
I needed to know where he went.
And then that spiritualmediumship gallery just broke it
wide open for me.
It was done.
After that I found myself inthe metaphysical section of the
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library looking at books, tryingto understand.
I read many lives, many mastersby Dr Weiss about past lives.
Daniela SM (08:44):
Yes, me too, and I did it exactly the same as when
my dad passed away.
Pamela Downes (08:48):
Oh, my gosh, wow, that's amazing.
Yeah, so you know, you knowthat you wanted to know more,
you wanted to open up that door.
There was a crack in that.
Like I said, the fabric wasbreaking and you wanted to see
what was on the other side ofthis veil, what was on the other
side, and that started myspiritual awakening journey.
So I often say, the culminationof losing my marriage, losing
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my father, having the bigquestions, finding some answers,
it was the beginning.
It was that spark.
And we travel in soul familiesand we agree, before we come
down here, that we're each goingto play a part in a role and
we're going to show contrast.
And we agree, before we comedown here, that we're each going
to play a part in a role andwe're going to show contrast and
we're going to show up in acertain way so that I can learn
this and you can learn that.
My dad, he sparked my spiritualawakening journey.
Because of my dad, everythingshifted as I was getting older
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and I was experiencing life.
I started having compassion forhim and I forgave him.
And one of the biggest things,that, if anyone is listening and
they're holding onto resentmentand they are filling themselves
with that feeling of resentment.
You are just doing a disserviceto yourself because you're
holding yourself back.
The biggest thing you could dofor yourself is to forgive that
person, because then you'reputting love in the space of
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fear and anger and resentmentand you're elevating yourself to
higher and better and openingup your life in different ways.
I wanted more.
I wanted to learn more abouteverything, daniella, what else
can I learn about?
Daniela SM (10:11):
I heard you shouldn't even think about
forgiveness, because then you'rethinking that you're better
than them and I find thatsometimes it's hard to do this.
Forgiveness For me.
You have to forgive yourselfbefore anything.
I had a really bad relationship.
I intellectualized it, I wasvery strategic about it.
I had to forgive myself for howdid I go out with that guy.
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So I think it's more that thansometimes the other person.
Pamela Downes (10:36):
Yeah, but you know what it all comes down to
compassion, it's a heartexpansion.
So it's just a word forgiveness, but it's actually the
experience of understanding.
You did like to forgiveyourself is okay, it's giving,
it's giving yourself grace Likeunderstand that.
I love this word for 2024 grace, it is the best word.
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It's understanding you did whatyou could do at the time that
you were there when you showedup to do it.
That's it.
That's compassion, it's grace,it's understanding, it's love
and it's.
Daniela SM (11:08):
You know, that's what I started understanding
about my dad, but that's thesame as saying they did the best
they could with what they hadat the time.
That's why.
So that's intellectualizing itand, of course, you know, if
you're a smart person, usingyour brain, that you can
understand.
Everything is justified.
They probably had worse.
Parents didn't have anyknowledge.
Here we are and we have theopportunities for social media
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and everything that you canlearn more.
Does everyone does it?
No, how come?
We want to grow, we want tolearn.
Some other people don't.
Pamela Downes (11:41):
Some other people don't, because they're just not
there yet.
I channel angelic beings andthey teach lessons.
I lead a community and themessage is that they just want
everyone to understand so much.
Is that to pay attention towhat you're spending your time.
With what you're spending yourtime thinking, doing, talking.
You have to honor yourself andhold yourself in high regard.
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You're doing all the wrongthings if you're spending your
time worrying about aconversation or holding on to a
resentment from someone else, orspending time talking to
someone else about that person'sexperience.
You need to pay attention toyour words, pay attention to
your experiences, pay attentionto what you're spending your
time doing saying, thinking,feeling because ultimately, it's
all about you, it's yourindividual journey.
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And so many people are walkingaround the planet just consuming
and digesting everything andanything with no filters
whatsoever, and they're notthinking about anything except
what's put in front of them.
And the people that arethinking, they're expanding
themselves.
They're trying to learn more.
They're trying to.
Whatever that level of learningis, it's more than what they
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had before, especially right now, with the chaos that's
happening all over the world.
Daniela SM (12:48):
That's true.
Thank you for sharing that.
You're welcome, pamela.
You read these books.
You went and saw this spiritualawakening.
You study arts and so you wereworking as an artist.
I was.
Pamela Downes (13:00):
I started my own business in 2000,.
Yeah, and what was it?
A marketing and branding firm.
So I wound up getting abachelor's in fine arts and
graphic design and after Iworked for the magazine, I
learned all the skills that Ineeded to.
I wound up having my ownbusiness and working with
clients and learning more andmore about myself and how I
connect with people, how I'mable to connect to their heart
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base.
And I didn't know what I wasdoing at the time.
I just knew that I was reallygood at visually translating
what people needed and I couldunderstand what they needed for
their business, for their life,for if they were starting a
business, or even, like you know, a piece of marketing material
for an annual report orsomething like that for a
nonprofit.
But I was tapping into mycreativity.
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As a young child, when I wentthrough tumultuous times in my
household, I would always go tomy music or I would go to my art
and I used to say that I wasescaping.
But I actually was tapping intospirit, I was tapping into the
divine.
I was tapping into that higherfrequency of inspiration in
spirit.
I was going to a place thatfelt comfortable, happy, warm,
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safe for me and that's what artwas, even if I was working
professionally, and that's whatart was, even if I was working
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professionally.
I was going into those spacesof tapping into that place.
You know, I had my business.
I guess 14 years by the time mymarriage ultimately ended.
And another big pivotal momentin my life was when I decided
that my marriage was not servingme any longer.
And during that difficult timethat I was talking about before,
I found Abraham Hicks and Ifound out about the law of
attraction and I startedunderstanding that we are the
creators of our realities, thatour words actually mean
something, that there's avibration and a frequency to
everything.
I was scratching the surface ofplaying with the universe and
saying okay, really, if Imanifest what I think, what I
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say, what I desire, show me,let's play a game.
And I remember thinking allright, show me a red ball,
because Abraham is also Estherchannels, this group of angelic
beings called Abraham, and I wasvery, very drawn to them.
In the beginning of my spiritualawakening she said just be
playful with the universe, askand don't expect.
Ask and don't expect.
I said okay, let's play.
So he said I want to see a redball.
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Let me just see a red ballthrowing something silly that I
don't really care about outthere.
And then later that day I wasjust scrolling on Facebook.
I had a trainer that I wasworking with at the time and he
was in my feed.
So I'm scrolling in my feed andhe's sitting there with his
daughter on his lap and shethrows a red ball at the person
who is recording this FaceTimevideo and I was like, okay, that
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was fascinating, I see how thatworks, let's do more of that.
And I kept doing that and Ikept understanding, actually,
that like my words were creatingmy reality.
I started understanding that Iwas beating the drum of talking
about what is rather than what Iwanted.
I was talking about all of whatwas happening in my life.
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My husband lost his job, welost our home, marketing got cut
.
Things were really hard.
We're struggling.
I turned it upside down and Istarted saying it's amazing.
We're carrying our big house,we moved into a little house and
we have a renter.
I've kept my business through arecession.
We're all living in this tinyhouse and I can walk my kids to
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school and I would go walkingevery morning and listen to the
teachings of Abraham Hicks, andit was another up-leveling in my
understanding.
Everything has a story.
Like you go from one thing tothe next thing, to the next
thing, the universe gives youwhat you need, exactly when you
need it, to keep your expansionhappening.
What happened next was that Istarted understanding everything
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and I started changing.
But my husband was not andthat's not to say he was bad or
it shouldn't have been.
A certain way, it was what itwas.
I was multicolor.
I was like seeing everything inthese new ways and he was black
or white.
It was done with him.
We were saying you know, weshould stay together until our
kids are in college.
That was 10 years ago, by theway, and I said I can't accept
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that for my future.
That's like a fearful decision.
I have to make a lovingdecision and I just know that
there's more and I don't thinkthat I want that for my future.
It was so scary, daniela.
It was like I kept knowing.
I started getting knowings atthat point.
I kept knowing like I have todo this.
I remember sitting in thecorner of my office on the floor
with my back up against thewall.
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I haven't had this memory in along time.
So I might get emotional and Iremember saying I can't do it,
like I'm so scared.
I might get emotional and Iremember saying I can't do it
Like I'm so scared.
How do I tell my children thatwe're not going to be your
family anymore?
How do I tell my family?
How do I tell?
How do I do this?
How do I live by myself?
I don't know how to do this.
I'm so scared and I kepthearing like I have to do it,
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you have to do it, you have todo it.
There's something more, there'ssomething more.
And finally I said we have todo this.
And we had an amicable divorceand we put love above everything
else and the kids sat in aspace of love and we were
beneath them.
We didn't fight and everything.
But that was another pivotalmoment of choosing love and not
fear and my whole entire lifechanged again.
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I chose love and not fear andthe whole trajectory of my life
changed.
I had no idea that I was goingto start my healing journey,
that I was going to startopening myself up to Reiki and
meditation and doing work withenergy workers and then
ultimately starting tounderstand that I have those
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talents and then understandingthat I needed to explore them
more and then understanding, bylistening and seeing all the
breadcrumbs that came before meand saying yes to them, by
saying yes to them and choosinglove and not fear that I kept
opening up the doorways to theworld of possibilities, to the
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world of opportunities, ofthings that I never, ever
imagined could be there.
And then, one day I think in2018, I saw a video about a man
named Gerald Powell and he hadopened this new place in Costa
Rica called Rhythmia LifeAdvancement Center.
He was addicted to sex, togambling, to booze, to drugs, to
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everything you could think of,and he was on the path of demise
.
And someone told him about thisplant medicine called ayahuasca
.
I think he did ayahuasca, or hedid a different plant medicine
in the jungles, and theychallenged him to do it and he
did it.
His whole entire life changed.
He cured himself of all of hisaddictions.
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He was a hotelier, la.
He took all of his life skillsthat was his story and he
applied it with this newperspective and he created
healing centers for people to beable to take plant medicine to
help and heal themselves.
The moment I saw it, I knew Iwas going to do it.
I didn't know how I was goingto go there, I didn't know when
I was going to go there.
I just knew I was going to gothere and how long was this.
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This was a seven day healingvacation sort of.
But what year?
I went?
In 2019.
Daniela SM (20:03):
Okay, so no longer.
Pamela Downes (20:09):
But I saw all this in 2018.
I didn't know how I was goingto go, like I just had the
knowing.
But through the course ofevents, of the universe, putting
people in front of me and mesaying yes and there being
opportunity and me saying yes, Imet this person who said to me
Pamela, I would love for you togo and go into this place called
Rhythmia Life AdvancementCenter.
And I said I know Rhythmia, I'mgoing there, I don't know when,
and he goes well, I would likefor you to come with us.
It's a small group.
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I'm in this group, thespiritual group, and one of the
owners of Rhythmia is in thisgroup.
They're shutting down the wholeplace and they're just opening
it up to 40 people that are inthis private group.
I would like you to come withus.
And I was like okay, you didn'thave any addictions.
I had already had like timescheduled to go away, like I had
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to make this happen.
I couldn't let excuses keep mefrom going.
That's the thing when theseopportunities come that you say
you want, you have to do them.
And so I figured it out and Imade it happen.
And when I went there, I was soscared.
My thing was fear.
I had to push through a lot offear.
I had to heal a lot of fear.
I'm still like healing certainaspects of myself.
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The plant medicine is sacredand it's intentional and it's a
sacred, sacred ritual and it'sbeautiful.
And through doing that plantmedicine all of my psychic
abilities opened up.
So I went there for that.
I didn't know why, daniela,like I had no idea why, but that
is why, because at the end ofthis I released all I had, all
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of these healing experiencesover the course of this week,
and it released trauma andraised my vibration.
So my frequency kept shiftingand elevate and at the end of
this week long plant medicinejourney we did a breath work
class.
This white light shot throughmy third eye on my head.
My head went crackle, crackle,crackle, my body filled up with
vibration and I heard everythingfrom this moment forward has
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changed.
Your psychic abilities havebeen enhanced and I was crying
and I lost my breath and it waslike the most beautiful
experience.
Daniela SM (22:07):
Anybody else had the same thing as you.
Pamela Downes (22:10):
Everyone who I was going with.
They were already spiritualleaders, people who have been
doing self-development andspiritual work for years.
Many of the people that gothere go to cure addictions.
They go to heal trauma.
So what I didn't say was GeraldPowell.
Through that experience withhis plant medicine journey, he
understood, through a vision,that the plant medicine showed
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him that his grandfathermolested him and that's why he
had all of this hurt and traumainside of him.
He was able to heal that aspectof himself that no longer
needed the addiction.
Daniela SM (22:43):
And in the seven days that you were there, how
many times did you takeayahuasca?
Pamela Downes (22:49):
We took it for four days.
So the first day that we gotthere we did like prep work and
meditation and classes and stuff, and we did it four nights in a
row but you take it multipletimes during the night.
It was incredible.
It was the biggest, biggestexperience of pushing through.
I had a lot of fear inside ofme and I think it's because of
my youth and not getting theconfidence I needed from my
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childhood.
And also I've done a lot ofpast life work.
I've done a lot.
I've seen a lot of visions ofmy past lives.
I've had many, many times whereI've been tortured, killed, you
know, for doing this spiritualwork.
So there was a lot of thatcompounded in my energy body, in
my soul body that needed to bereleased, and that's what I did.
I started doing that atRhythmia when needed to be
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released, and that's what I did.
I started doing that atRhythmia when I got back in
November.
Shortly after that, covid cameMarch of 2020.
I was meditating every morningbut there was something telling
me that this was monumentous,that there was a shift that was
happening on our planet.
I wasn't approaching it likeeveryone else.
I wasn't sitting in front ofthe television and just letting
all of that news just permeateme constantly and letting myself
get filled with fear.
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I was meditating every morningand suddenly I started working
with this group of guides andthen these beings would come in
and I was experiencing differentdimensions and different
frequencies and angelic beingsand alien beings, galactic
beings and all different kindsof energies, different
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frequencies.
They felt different ways andthen they started giving me
visions at night and I startedhaving experiences at night, and
so I was like on a fast track.
Basically, what they said wastrue.
Everything changed and it wassuddenly like I was on this huge
learning experience to figureout like high frequency, low
frequency, galactic beings,angelic beings, and
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understanding them all.
I meditated every morning and Iworked with them and I actually
kept doing the work I was doing.
When I was down in Costa Rica, Iwas reliving these past lives
and I was releasing trauma and Iwas going through them and
raising my vibration each timeuntil one day this group of
beings that I connect with nowcalled the Great Council of
Light, they started intuiting me, they started channeling
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through me, they started talkingthrough me and they would give
me visions, they would give medownloads, they would give me
words, I would see things, hearthings.
I mean, I was really havingexponentially, I was just
expanding.
It was amazing.
And then one night I woke up inthe middle of the night and I
heard spirit calling, spiritcalling, and I got up and I
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wrote it down.
Then in the morning I don'tknow why I bought the domain.
I bought the URL because I knewit was important, because I was
having a lot of premonitionsand visions and I was being told
what the future was going tohappen and that there was going
to be a war and there was goingto be all these things coming,
which all the things that I seeare happening now in the future.
I got up and I bought thedomain and then every morning,
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when I was meditating, I kepthearing you are to build a
portal for humanity.
There's going to be a glassceiling that breaks.
Everything is going to change.
People are going to stop intheir tracks, they're not going
to know who they are, whatthey've believed in, their
entire world, and they're goingto need a safe place to land.
You need to make a portal forhumanity.
And I was like what is that Imean?
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You see what I mean when I sayI had no idea what my story was,
what my like?
You can't plan this stuff.
In the beginning I cowarded andI said me, I know how to do
websites, I know how to domarketing and branding.
What is a portal?
Me, humankind?
It just sounds so big to me.
So I kept meditating and I kepthearing you are to build a
portal, you are to build aportal.
And as all of this washappening, I merged that
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business that I told you aboutthat I had.
I merged it with my client andwe started a new business.
So that was happening at thesame time.
So I have my guides over heresaying build a portal for
humanity.
And meanwhile I'm over herelike building this new business
and I'm like I can't.
How am I supposed to do this?
And it kept coming do it, do it, do it.
One night I woke up in themiddle of the night and I saw
these little wings, this littleicon going do, do, do, do, do,
do, do, do, do, landing on aniPhone screen and I got up and I
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sketched it and then thatmorning I went oh my gosh, it's
all the same thing.
It's the portal, it's spiritcalling it's, it's the logo,
it's the whole thing, and itjust expanded in my head and
then I kept hearing you have tobuild it, you have to build it,
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you have to build it.
And I built it and I launchedit in January of this year.
So it's a community to helpsupport humankind.
But I've also been I am anangelic channeler now.
I teach people, I connectpeople's guides and I give them
private messages and I doone-on-ones and I do sessions
Like I never knew that I woulddo that.
I never thought in my wildestdreams when I left my marriage
one when I did ayahuasca too,when I did, you know, I never, I
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never thought that would be mystory.
So I say this, all of this, toinspire people who might be
anywhere on that journey.
It could be a simple thing, onethat's just I'm tired of being
fearful.
It could be one thing in mystory that is I'm not resonating
in my marriage.
It could be one thing in mystory that says I'm hearing
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things and I don't know whatthat means, or I'm feeling a
draw to move into this direction.
I don't know what that is.
When I was going through myspiritual awakening journey, I
didn't have anyone really totalk to.
I didn't have a community orlike trust, friends or anything.
I had one client who wasreading the Many Lives, many
Masters book at the same time Iwas in, so we would meet and
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talk about it.
But I created a place where youhave a community, where you can
talk about the bumps in thenight, where you could talk
about the visions that you'vehad, where you can ask the
questions that you can't ask atthe dinner table or the
conference room.
I created a place that's safefor people to like explore.
I'm really proud of that.
You know I want the whole worldto know about it because people
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are shifting now in amazingspeed.
Daniela SM (28:53):
Yes, I know I'm amazing and it's interesting
that for for me too, like I'mlearning a lot of you know
always have to learn and readabout spiritual things, but but
and I always admire the peoplehave the power, because I think
I have one, but it sounds morelike I just have a sixth sense
that I can read people's reallyeasy, but lately know being
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recording and somehow, and asI'm starting to listen to you, I
was like, oh my God, everybodyis talking about the same thing
lately, which is interesting,and so maybe there is a message
right.
So, so exactly, Tell me.
So I sign him on the websiteand what happens.
Pamela Downes (29:33):
So there's a couple of different ways to work
with me.
It's really important for methat everybody be able to afford
guidance Like I don't wantanyone to feel like they can't.
So I started off with thespiritual community and it's
really inexpensive.
It's $25 a month and you haveaccess to courses, to events, to
community, to workshops, to acurated sound healing every
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month, to like resourcelibraries.
It's amazing.
But the one thing that I reallyhave been called to do in the
last several months is to putmyself out there to help guide
people so I'm able to connect totheir guides, I'm able to tap
in to speak to their guides,download messages of love,
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support and guidance for them.
So, for instance, I met threedifferent people last week, all
completely individual.
Actually, they were all podcasthosts, which is fascinating.
But the first one was juststarting to wake up.
She is just in the beginningsteps of her spiritual awakening
journey.
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She's talking to her deceasedgrandparents, asking them to
send a butterfly or something toshow that they're there, and
she's not really like reading orgoing on a journey of
exploration.
But she is now because she metme right and I know where she is
on her journey, so I know howto guide her, to tell her that.
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I challenge her to ask for more.
Don't just ask for a butterflyor a rainbow.
You can ask for anything youwant.
The whole world is open to you.
You're connected to all that isso the guides want you to ask.
You have free will.
You have to have a convictioninside of you to want it, to
receive it.
That expands your heart to beable to receive it.
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So I know where she is on herjourney.
I know what she needs and thenext person I met is someone
who's shifting their life,moving into a new part of what
they're doing and their work,and they don't know which
direction they want to go.
They just want a littleguidance to help them, kind of
help them on their journey alittle bit.
That's a channeled message.
She can send me a video and Ican tap into her guides and send
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her the message back.
And then the one-on-one is theelevated version of that, where
we actually meet, we break itdown, we talk, we brainstorm.
I can give them guidance, I cantell them where they are on
their journey, or they can dolike a three-month thing where
we do all of those things and Ikind of guide them along the way
, and for that one you get acommunity membership for the two
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of the three.
And community is important.
The community is reallyimportant because you want to
know more, you want to talk topeople.
You really do so as you'relearning, you want to tell it,
shout it from the rooftops.
Oh my God, did you know this?
Did you ever hear of this?
Like, I just read this or doyou understand what's happening
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to me right now?
And someone would be like, yeah, I do, I experienced that.
Or a healer or a practitionerwho we have aligned
professionals in our portal too,could say hey, it sounds like
you're experiencing this.
You might want to maybe sign upfor a session with me.
I can help guide you throughthis.
You might have a block, youmight have this.
So it's like everything Iexperienced on my journey
together in one place.
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So it's kind of beautiful.
Daniela SM (32:41):
Yes, it sounds, yes, that's beautiful.
And so you just started thisyear.
I started in January.
You still have a job I do.
Pamela Downes (32:49):
No, I run a full-time marketing firm.
I have employees.
Yeah, this will be my future.
I've seen that many times.
When that happens, I'm not sureI'm doing what is my spiritual
journey?
I'm doing what is my soul'spurpose?
We all are.
We all are, and you said youthink you have gifts.
Everyone is born with it.
Everyone is born with a pinealgland.
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Everyone is born with clearsenses.
Everyone is born as anenergetic body.
Our senses, everyone is born asan energetic body.
We're sentient beings.
We are energy.
We have a frequency.
Everything that's living has afrequency.
We are connected to everything.
We're not taught that.
So that's part of what myjourney is.
Also is to like tell everybodywho they actually are.
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They're amazing.
Daniela SM (33:32):
How has this helped you with your marketing business
?
Pamela Downes (33:34):
Being a psychic, intuitive has helped me because
I've watched it shift over theyears.
I used to, just as I saidbefore, be able to tap in to
that heart space easily and then, as it shifted into maybe part
of the story where I was likegetting ready to leave my
marriage, I was a differentversion of that.
I started attractingentrepreneurs that were leaving
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corporate and wanting to starttheir own business and then I
was able to like see a path forthem.
It was interesting because Iget excited.
It's like my energy getsconnected to them and I'm able
to like see what the next stepsare, help them with their
messaging, help them.
I could tap in.
I could see this one person Iwas helping, rafael.
I could see the visual of whathe was explaining to me.
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So it was like elevating.
Through my journey it's beenelevating.
So now, everywhere I go, Inetwork like crazy.
I'm in business development,mostly not creative.
I have a creative director onstaff.
Every time I meet someone,every networking event, every
coffee, every launch,spirituality comes up.
So it's like the universe isusing me in a different way, if
you understand, as the connector, but like in a different way.
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I even have a real estateclient.
She's open to it, like peoplehave to be open to it, I don't
just jam it down everybody'sthroat.
She'll ask me for a channelmessage and she'll get a channel
message from me because sheunderstands the guidance,
because she's seen it.
I gave her one once because itjust felt so called to give it
to her.
I felt that she was fragmentedand she needed something to
ground her.
And then so we connect in thatway.
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It's a part of me, so mybusinesses are an extension of
me.
Daniela SM (35:06):
And the staff that you work with, then you are
always kind of giving those kindof advice.
Pamela Downes (35:11):
I think that they're used to me.
One of my employees, shweta.
She's very into the universeand spirituality and stuff like
that.
The rest of my staff not really, but they're into me and they
know who I am and you know weall love each other.
I have a very strong culturethere.
It's a beautiful group of womenand everyone's on their path.
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The universe brought each oneof them to me and aligned them
all.
So they've all.
They're all there with purpose.
They've all been attracted andbrought to us with purpose.
Daniela SM (35:40):
Wonderful and so so you have the marketing business,
you have the portal.
Anything else you have, oh, Ihave so many things, I'm not
even done.
Pamela Downes (35:51):
Yes, so we have a podcast that I that I do as
part of my community in thebeginning, but then I realized
everyone needed to know about itand so it's kind of like what
you do you inspire others with astory.
I do the same thing, but what Iwant to talk about specifically
is their spiritual awakeningjourney.
So it's called Live the Call.
It's basically the story ofhearing your spirit's call,
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listening to it and then livingit.
So we're telling the story ofwhat that looks like so that
people can be inspired.
So if someone's hearing likethis little whisper, to do and
be and practice and immersethemselves more in spiritualism,
to investigate what that is, todiscover it.
Oftentimes when you go through aspiritual awakening journey, so
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many different things change.
Friends change your interests,change, food change, everything
changes the big things happen.
At the end, your work usuallychanges too, because you want to
do something that's more onpurpose, and that's what I do.
I highlight those sorts ofpeople.
And then I actually justlaunched a new TV show on a
brand new spiritual TV networkcalled the Ethereal Network.
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It's etherealtvnet and I have ahalf hour show weekly called
Divine Wisdom.
So what I do is tap into thewisdom of the great council of
light.
They provide a message and webreak it down and we teach.
We also do a meditation calledconnecting our energies and I
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also take questions and subjects, topics from audience members
and we answer the questions orwe discuss something that they
want to know about, and I knowthat that's going to evolve into
being more interactive.
So I'm really excited it's justlaunched.
Daniela SM (37:34):
You are a busy person?
Yes, I am, and so how do youget the TV show the universe?
Pamela Downes (37:41):
Okay, yes, the universe.
Well, I've always known youknow, since that moment I told
you to support humankind.
I've always known that thismission that I have is huge and
it's big and it's impactful onthe planet.
The universe knows that, and myguides have told me I've seen
it so many times.
I need a larger platform to beheard on.
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So they presented thisopportunity to me.
I had to say yes.
I had to say yes.
You say I'm a busy person.
Yes, I am.
But when this TV thing comes, Ihave to say yes, daniela,
because it's important to themaster plan.
Just like I said, I didn't knowwhere I was going.
This last 10 years.
I kept saying yes, what iscoming?
The next 10, daniela, what iscoming?
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I'm saying yes.
So if anybody's taking anythingaway from this, if that is it,
say yes.
Daniela SM (38:30):
Don't let the fear hold you back and so all the
wonderful things that arehappening already.
Are you still asking theuniverse for things or are you
now just letting whateverhappens happens?
Pamela Downes (38:42):
Well, I put my intentions out there.
Most definitely, I think it'svery important to be clear,
because the guides talk about.
Manifestation is having theclear intention, the clarity of
what you want to be able to castit out, to be able to receive
it.
So, yeah, right now.
I've asked for things all thetime because that's our right,
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that's how the universal lawswork, and nothing is withheld
from you.
Everything is available to you.
You just have to feel inreceivership and worthy of it,
and we're human.
Sometimes we don't, and then welearn.
It's a learning experience.
Daniela SM (39:15):
Have you changed the way you ask, or is it the same
as at the beginning?
Pamela Downes (39:19):
I think I've changed because my knowings are
different, the way I live isdifferent, but the spirit
calling is just handled and heldby this huge, huge group of
beings that want this to be.
I've been told that I'm goingto come full circle to fruition
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with the work that I've tried somany, many, many, many, many,
many, many, many lifetimes.
That is going to happen in thislifetime and going to be able
to reach the masses in the waythat I've always wanted to, to
be able to spread the word.
And, for instance, I live inMaryland right now.
Last year I lived in New Jersey.
I created space about a year anda half prior to that, because I
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knew that I would meet mybeloved.
No one could tell me that Iwouldn't.
No one could tell me that itdoesn't happen for everyone,
pamela.
Well, it was going to happenfor me because I said I wanted
it.
I said what I wanted, I knewall the things I wanted and some
things I didn't even know Iwanted are in this person.
But I believed and I sat and Ijust know, I know it and I went
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to Florida one weekend to visitfamily and he went to Florida
one weekend to visit friends andwe met and we lived two and a
half hours away from each other,but we made it happen.
We had to say yes to all thedifficulty that was there.
There's a knowing, there's likea deep knowing within me that
this is my future and I willconnect to these people and they
will receive and I will teach.
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Before I moved here, the spacethat you see me sitting in, I
kept having visions of me infront of a computer screen,
talking, talking, talking,talking to many, many, many,
many people.
And that's what I do and that'swhat I'll continue to do.
Daniela SM (40:55):
Wow.
What about your kids?
How did they react towards thisnew mom that was happening.
Pamela Downes (41:04):
They have evolved with me.
In the beginning, I wasdabbling in different modalities
and I was in Reiki, and I wasin yoga, and I was in meditation
and I was doing differentthings and then suddenly there's
like salt lamps in my house andBuddhas, and you know, things
started changing.
I'm I'm always like just anauthentic person and a creative
at heart, and so I've alwaysbeen different.
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My language changed and my workchanged, and my kids have
matured with me, because they'renow 21 and and soon to be 19.
So they've, they've come togrow and know who I am.
And now, now, now I'm seeing itlike full circle turn to me
where they're texting mesomething that's more about what
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I believe, and I'm seeing thatshift and it's really
fascinating.
It's very cool.
Daniela SM (41:50):
Yeah, that's true, because you know, when we're
young, young most of the timewe're busy with, with I don't
know, know life more thanactually being intrinsic in
ourself, right, and so I.
I know, for example, my kids,especially the oldest one.
He has some power because Iexperienced that when he was
little, but he has chosen more.
He's, you know, the fathervision of science only and
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nothing else exists.
And so when I mentioned, you dohave the power, don't let
forget about it.
He always dismiss it, you know.
So eventually, maybe he will,he will get it.
Pamela Downes (42:25):
He will.
He will If he's open to it forsure, I love it.
Daniela SM (42:30):
So wonderful.
So, pamela, is there anythingelse that I can do to serve you
today?
Pamela Downes (42:35):
I would just love to tell people that if they're
interested in tapping into theirguides and having a reading
that they can, that's somethingthat's accessible to them and it
could actually change theirlife in an amazing way.
I just posted a testimonialvideo of this woman, madeline, a
young woman, and she said it'slike the message that I get,
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it's like the guides are in mythoughts, the things that I'm
thinking inside of my head, thatI'm wondering, that I want to
know about that guidance isaccessible to them.
So if anybody's interested inthat, they're able to work with
me.
And then also they can checkout our community.
So they can work with me atspirit-callingcom slash
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workwithpamela and then theportal is spirit-callingcom.
And then please, by all means,go check out my new show on
etherealtvnet it's called DivineWisdom, it'll be amazing and my
podcast Live, the Call.
It's on the Spirit CallingYouTube channel.
Daniela SM (43:36):
Yeah, it's wonderful .
I want everybody to follow youalso on social media.
For the TV show, do we have tohave a TV or can we watch it on
YouTube?
Pamela Downes (43:51):
Yeah, you can stream it online and then soon
it'll be on Roku and Amazon Fireand all of those streaming
platforms.
So it's in beta first phaselaunch right now.
So you can go to etherealtvnetand check it out there.
Daniela SM (43:58):
Okay, perfect, perfect.
So thank you so much.
It's a beautiful story.
I really appreciate it.
Pamela Downes (44:04):
You're welcome.
You're a beautiful person too.
I appreciate the time and thespace.
Thank you, pamela, you'rewelcome.
Daniela SM (44:10):
I hope you enjoyed today's episode.
I am Daniela and you arelistening to, because Everyone
has a Story.
Please take five seconds rightnow and think of somebody in
your life that may enjoy whatyou just heard, or someone that
has a story to be shared andpreserved.
When you think of that person,shoot them a text with the link
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of this podcast.
This will allow the ordinarymagic to go further.
Join me next time for anotherstory conversation.
Thank you for listening.
Hasta pronto.
Hi, I'm Daniela.
Welcome to my podcast.
Because Everyone has a Story,the place to give ordinary
people's stories the chance tobe shared and preserved.
Our stories become the languageof connections.
Let's enjoy it, connect andrelate, because everyone has a
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story.
Late, because everyone has astory.
Welcome.
Today.
My guest is Pamela Downs.
What a beautiful human.
She shares her inspiringjourney from a difficult
childhood with an abusivealcoholic father to becoming a
successful entrepreneur andspiritual leader.
(00:42):
After finding solace in artschool, a life-changing
encounter with a psychic mediumgave her the closure she never
expected.
Inspired by teachings likeAbraham Hicks and the law of
attraction, Pamela made boldchoices to focus on healing and
(01:03):
personal growth and now, as thefounder of Spirit Calling, she
helps others on their spiritualjourney.
So I hope you enjoy her storyas much as I did.
Pamela Downes (01:15):
Welcome, Pamela to the show.
Oh gosh, I'm so happy to behere and it's so great to see
your smiling face.
I can't wait to talk today.
Daniela SM (01:23):
Yes, yes, I'm super excited and I can see beautiful
colors that you have surroundingyou.
So it's just amazing.
It's perfect thing to do towake up in the morning and see
these amazing colors and yourbeautiful smiles.
Pamela Downes (01:33):
So, yes, oh, thank you, that's so nice.
Daniela SM (01:36):
Yes, and so you're here because you have a story,
so why do you want to share yourstory?
Pamela Downes (01:42):
Because I believe that sharing my story can
inspire others that maybe havegone through some of the same
things that I've gone throughand can see how your life can
change in ways you never evenimagined, never even thought of,
never even on your vision boardor in your ideas.
Daniela SM (02:00):
Yes, and that's true .
Sharing stories is so importantand thank you for doing that.
So when does your story start,pamela I?
Pamela Downes (02:08):
think that my story starts when I was a young
girl.
I never felt like I really fitinto my family.
I always felt like I wasdifferent, even in my friend
groups.
What I had going on wasmultifaceted.
I was a musician and I was anartist.
I was a super feeler, but Ididn't really understand what
any of that was back then, untilI was older and could
understand.
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I was an empath.
I had an Italian Catholicupbringing and I had a beautiful
grandfather and grandmother.
I had a nice life, but I alsohad a challenging life because
my father was an emotionally andphysically and verbally abusive
alcoholic.
The whole entire world revolvedaround him and we were all
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fearful of him and I didn't havea relationship of love.
I had one of fear with him so Ilacked confidence in regards of
knowing that I had a strongfather figure to instill that
confidence in me.
As a young daughter, thatdidn't exist.
I always got along really wellwith people.
I always resonated andconnected with older adults.
I wound up waitressing throughmost of my since I was 15, I
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waitressed all the way up intopay for college.
So I waitressed for a long time, met a lot of different kinds
of people there.
I just always was different.
I didn't understand myuniqueness until I, of course,
got older.
We all travel on our life path.
We have our journey, we haveour story that evolves into the
story of who we are.
I wound up finding my peoplewhen I went to art school and I
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found a whole bunch of peoplethat were just like me.
They were weird and I was likeI resonate with these people, I
get these people, I feelcomfortable with these people.
I finally, as a young woman,started understanding my worth,
started feeling like I broughtsomething to the world, like I
had talent, like I had a voice.
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I started seeing how peopleresponded to me and I started
understanding that I ambeautiful, I am worthy.
I remember my first job that Igot.
I was an art director of amagazine in Philadelphia.
I kept on thinking that theywere going to find out that I
was an imposter, like they weregoing to find out that I really
shouldn't be in this job,although they hired me and they
made me go through all thethings to get the job.
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But that's how insecure I was.
I wound up getting married,having my own children, and in
my marriage it was what everyonedid.
It was the next step.
You fell in love, you gotmarried, you had babies, and
everybody's families were allinvolved with everybody's
families, and that's what youknew, it's what you grew up with
, so it's what you did.
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I would like to say that therewas a culmination of things that
were happening in my life.
My father, who had stoppeddrinking, returned to alcohol,
and I was watching him lose hisbattle to alcohol.
I was going through what I callmy knockdown.
The recession happened in 2012,and my husband and I at the
time, I had my own business.
He had a job in corporate andhe lost his job.
(05:02):
The marketing got cut and Ilost a lot of my clients, and so
we were going through a shift.
We lived in an affluent town andwe had money, and we had
experiences, and we had friendsand we had all these things, and
every decade of your life, youlearn something new about
yourself, about the world, aboutall the things, and at that
moment in my life I had adynamic shift.
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I had my knockdown.
Everything in my life changedat the same time.
I did not understand what washappening.
My father died and I witnessedthe life leave his body and I
thought where did my father go.
His body's here, but the energy, like who he was just was gone.
I didn't understand that.
I started understanding thatthere was more to a physical
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form than just this physicalbeing and I started going down
this rabbit hole of wanting tounderstand what that was.
I was invited to this spiritualmedium gallery and I walked in
to the gallery and I sat down inthe front.
The psychic medium was there.
I had never been to a psychicmedium before.
He came over to me and he saidyour father's here.
He died of his liver or alcohol.
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And I said, yeah, that'sexactly how my father died.
My father lost his battle toalcohol and his liver failed.
He wants you to know that he'shere and that he never told you
how talented you were and thenhe never told you how creative
you were and he never said thathe loved you.
And he sees how you show up inthe world.
And then he never told you howcreative you are and he never
said that he loved you.
And he sees how you show up inthe world and he sees the kind
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of person that you are and hewishes that he could be more
like you.
And at the time I was goingthrough really difficult things
in my life.
I was losing my retirement, myhusband lost his job.
We actually lost our house.
We lost our friends.
Ultimately, I lost my marriage.
That was like a big statementfor me for him to say that,
because I knew how he showed up,I knew who he was and he never,
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never told me I was talented ortold me that he loved me or
appreciated me or evenunderstood me right.
So that was proof to me thatlife existed beyond our physical
form, that there was life afterdeath.
Daniela SM (07:08):
And you believe in things like this before.
Pamela Downes (07:10):
No, I didn't.
I was raised Catholic and atthe time, you know, these pieces
were moving in my life.
The Catholic church was goingthrough a major shift.
There was a lot of secrecyhappening, a lot of abuse to
children happening, a lot oflike shuffling priests to
different parishes and likesecrecy happening and I was like
what is that?
I don't understand what that is.
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That's not like love, like thatdoesn't make sense.
And then I kept thinking okay,if God is love and I die, how is
God?
Who is love going to look at meand judge me and either give me
eternal life or sentence me toeternal damnation?
I don't understand that.
That's a complete contradictionof love.
Those pieces don't fit to me.
And then my children are born.
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I did the baptism, I did all thethings that I was supposed to
do because I was a good daughterand good granddaughter and good
Catholic person.
But it didn't feel rightbecause this perfect little baby
that was born in perfection,they were telling me if I didn't
baptize it, that it was goingto go to hell.
I'm like I mean, none of thosethings made sense to me.
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I was just having breakdowns.
Everything was breaking, thethreads were pulling apart and
this whole reality that I knew,that I once knew and I was bred
into it, was just diminishing.
So then when my dad died, itwas like, oh okay, where did he
go?
I needed to know where he went.
And then that spiritualmediumship gallery just broke it
wide open for me.
It was done.
After that I found myself inthe metaphysical section of the
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library looking at books, tryingto understand.
I read many lives, many mastersby Dr Weiss about past lives.
Daniela SM (08:44):
Yes, me too, and I did it exactly the same as when
my dad passed away.
Pamela Downes (08:48):
Oh, my gosh, wow, that's amazing.
Yeah, so you know, you knowthat you wanted to know more,
you wanted to open up that door.
There was a crack in that.
Like I said, the fabric wasbreaking and you wanted to see
what was on the other side ofthis veil, what was on the other
side, and that started myspiritual awakening journey.
So I often say, the culminationof losing my marriage, losing
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my father, having the bigquestions, finding some answers,
it was the beginning.
It was that spark.
And we travel in soul familiesand we agree, before we come
down here, that we're each goingto play a part in a role and
we're going to show contrast.
And we agree, before we comedown here, that we're each going
to play a part in a role andwe're going to show contrast and
we're going to show up in acertain way so that I can learn
this and you can learn that.
My dad, he sparked my spiritualawakening journey.
Because of my dad, everythingshifted as I was getting older
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and I was experiencing life.
I started having compassion forhim and I forgave him.
And one of the biggest things,that, if anyone is listening and
they're holding onto resentmentand they are filling themselves
with that feeling of resentment.
You are just doing a disserviceto yourself because you're
holding yourself back.
The biggest thing you could dofor yourself is to forgive that
person, because then you'reputting love in the space of
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fear and anger and resentmentand you're elevating yourself to
higher and better and openingup your life in different ways.
I wanted more.
I wanted to learn more abouteverything, daniella, what else
can I learn about?
Daniela SM (10:11):
I heard you shouldn't even think about
forgiveness, because then you'rethinking that you're better
than them and I find thatsometimes it's hard to do this.
Forgiveness For me.
You have to forgive yourselfbefore anything.
I had a really bad relationship.
I intellectualized it, I wasvery strategic about it.
I had to forgive myself for howdid I go out with that guy.
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So I think it's more that thansometimes the other person.
Pamela Downes (10:36):
Yeah, but you know what it all comes down to
compassion, it's a heartexpansion.
So it's just a word forgiveness, but it's actually the
experience of understanding.
You did like to forgiveyourself is okay, it's giving,
it's giving yourself grace Likeunderstand that.
I love this word for 2024 grace, it is the best word.
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It's understanding you did whatyou could do at the time that
you were there when you showedup to do it.
That's it.
That's compassion, it's grace,it's understanding, it's love
and it's.
Daniela SM (11:08):
You know, that's what I started understanding
about my dad, but that's thesame as saying they did the best
they could with what they hadat the time.
That's why.
So that's intellectualizing itand, of course, you know, if
you're a smart person, usingyour brain, that you can
understand.
Everything is justified.
They probably had worse.
Parents didn't have anyknowledge.
Here we are and we have theopportunities for social media
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and everything that you canlearn more.
Does everyone does it?
No, how come?
We want to grow, we want tolearn.
Some other people don't.
Pamela Downes (11:41):
Some other people don't, because they're just not
there yet.
I channel angelic beings andthey teach lessons.
I lead a community and themessage is that they just want
everyone to understand so much.
Is that to pay attention towhat you're spending your time.
With what you're spending yourtime thinking, doing, talking.
You have to honor yourself andhold yourself in high regard.
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You're doing all the wrongthings if you're spending your
time worrying about aconversation or holding on to a
resentment from someone else, orspending time talking to
someone else about that person'sexperience.
You need to pay attention toyour words, pay attention to
your experiences, pay attentionto what you're spending your
time doing saying, thinking,feeling because ultimately, it's
all about you, it's yourindividual journey.
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And so many people are walkingaround the planet just consuming
and digesting everything andanything with no filters
whatsoever, and they're notthinking about anything except
what's put in front of them.
And the people that arethinking, they're expanding
themselves.
They're trying to learn more.
They're trying to.
Whatever that level of learningis, it's more than what they
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had before, especially right now, with the chaos that's
happening all over the world.
Daniela SM (12:48):
That's true.
Thank you for sharing that.
You're welcome, pamela.
You read these books.
You went and saw this spiritualawakening.
You study arts and so you wereworking as an artist.
I was.
Pamela Downes (13:00):
I started my own business in 2000,.
Yeah, and what was it?
A marketing and branding firm.
So I wound up getting abachelor's in fine arts and
graphic design and after Iworked for the magazine, I
learned all the skills that Ineeded to.
I wound up having my ownbusiness and working with
clients and learning more andmore about myself and how I
connect with people, how I'mable to connect to their heart
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base.
And I didn't know what I wasdoing at the time.
I just knew that I was reallygood at visually translating
what people needed and I couldunderstand what they needed for
their business, for their life,for if they were starting a
business, or even, like you know, a piece of marketing material
for an annual report orsomething like that for a
nonprofit.
But I was tapping into mycreativity.
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As a young child, when I wentthrough tumultuous times in my
household, I would always go tomy music or I would go to my art
and I used to say that I wasescaping.
But I actually was tapping intospirit, I was tapping into the
divine.
I was tapping into that higherfrequency of inspiration in
spirit.
I was going to a place thatfelt comfortable, happy, warm,
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safe for me and that's what artwas, even if I was working
professionally, and that's whatart was, even if I was working
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professionally.
I was going into those spacesof tapping into that place.
You know, I had my business.
I guess 14 years by the time mymarriage ultimately ended.
And another big pivotal momentin my life was when I decided
that my marriage was not servingme any longer.
And during that difficult timethat I was talking about before,
I found Abraham Hicks and Ifound out about the law of
attraction and I startedunderstanding that we are the
creators of our realities, thatour words actually mean
something, that there's avibration and a frequency to
everything.
I was scratching the surface ofplaying with the universe and
saying okay, really, if Imanifest what I think, what I
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say, what I desire, show me,let's play a game.
And I remember thinking allright, show me a red ball,
because Abraham is also Estherchannels, this group of angelic
beings called Abraham, and I wasvery, very drawn to them.
In the beginning of my spiritualawakening she said just be
playful with the universe, askand don't expect.
Ask and don't expect.
I said okay, let's play.
So he said I want to see a redball.
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Let me just see a red ballthrowing something silly that I
don't really care about outthere.
And then later that day I wasjust scrolling on Facebook.
I had a trainer that I wasworking with at the time and he
was in my feed.
So I'm scrolling in my feed andhe's sitting there with his
daughter on his lap and shethrows a red ball at the person
who is recording this FaceTimevideo and I was like, okay, that
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was fascinating, I see how thatworks, let's do more of that.
And I kept doing that and Ikept understanding, actually,
that like my words were creatingmy reality.
I started understanding that Iwas beating the drum of talking
about what is rather than what Iwanted.
I was talking about all of whatwas happening in my life.
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My husband lost his job, welost our home, marketing got cut
.
Things were really hard.
We're struggling.
I turned it upside down and Istarted saying it's amazing.
We're carrying our big house,we moved into a little house and
we have a renter.
I've kept my business through arecession.
We're all living in this tinyhouse and I can walk my kids to
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school and I would go walkingevery morning and listen to the
teachings of Abraham Hicks, andit was another up-leveling in my
understanding.
Everything has a story.
Like you go from one thing tothe next thing, to the next
thing, the universe gives youwhat you need, exactly when you
need it, to keep your expansionhappening.
What happened next was that Istarted understanding everything
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and I started changing.
But my husband was not andthat's not to say he was bad or
it shouldn't have been.
A certain way, it was what itwas.
I was multicolor.
I was like seeing everything inthese new ways and he was black
or white.
It was done with him.
We were saying you know, weshould stay together until our
kids are in college.
That was 10 years ago, by theway, and I said I can't accept
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that for my future.
That's like a fearful decision.
I have to make a lovingdecision and I just know that
there's more and I don't thinkthat I want that for my future.
It was so scary, daniela.
It was like I kept knowing.
I started getting knowings atthat point.
I kept knowing like I have todo this.
I remember sitting in thecorner of my office on the floor
with my back up against thewall.
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I haven't had this memory in along time.
So I might get emotional and Iremember saying I can't do it,
like I'm so scared.
I might get emotional and Iremember saying I can't do it
Like I'm so scared.
How do I tell my children thatwe're not going to be your
family anymore?
How do I tell my family?
How do I tell?
How do I do this?
How do I live by myself?
I don't know how to do this.
I'm so scared and I kepthearing like I have to do it,
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you have to do it, you have todo it.
There's something more, there'ssomething more.
And finally I said we have todo this.
And we had an amicable divorceand we put love above everything
else and the kids sat in aspace of love and we were
beneath them.
We didn't fight and everything.
But that was another pivotalmoment of choosing love and not
fear and my whole entire lifechanged again.
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I chose love and not fear andthe whole trajectory of my life
changed.
I had no idea that I was goingto start my healing journey,
that I was going to startopening myself up to Reiki and
meditation and doing work withenergy workers and then
ultimately starting tounderstand that I have those
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talents and then understandingthat I needed to explore them
more and then understanding, bylistening and seeing all the
breadcrumbs that came before meand saying yes to them, by
saying yes to them and choosinglove and not fear that I kept
opening up the doorways to theworld of possibilities, to the
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world of opportunities, ofthings that I never, ever
imagined could be there.
And then, one day I think in2018, I saw a video about a man
named Gerald Powell and he hadopened this new place in Costa
Rica called Rhythmia LifeAdvancement Center.
He was addicted to sex, togambling, to booze, to drugs, to
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everything you could think of,and he was on the path of demise
.
And someone told him about thisplant medicine called ayahuasca
.
I think he did ayahuasca, or hedid a different plant medicine
in the jungles, and theychallenged him to do it and he
did it.
His whole entire life changed.
He cured himself of all of hisaddictions.
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He was a hotelier, la.
He took all of his life skillsthat was his story and he
applied it with this newperspective and he created
healing centers for people to beable to take plant medicine to
help and heal themselves.
The moment I saw it, I knew Iwas going to do it.
I didn't know how I was goingto go there, I didn't know when
I was going to go there.
I just knew I was going to gothere and how long was this.
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This was a seven day healingvacation sort of.
But what year?
I went?
In 2019.
Daniela SM (20:03):
Okay, so no longer.
Pamela Downes (20:09):
But I saw all this in 2018.
I didn't know how I was goingto go, like I just had the
knowing.
But through the course ofevents, of the universe, putting
people in front of me and mesaying yes and there being
opportunity and me saying yes, Imet this person who said to me
Pamela, I would love for you togo and go into this place called
Rhythmia Life AdvancementCenter.
And I said I know Rhythmia, I'mgoing there, I don't know when,
and he goes well, I would likefor you to come with us.
It's a small group.
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I'm in this group, thespiritual group, and one of the
owners of Rhythmia is in thisgroup.
They're shutting down the wholeplace and they're just opening
it up to 40 people that are inthis private group.
I would like you to come withus.
And I was like okay, you didn'thave any addictions.
I had already had like timescheduled to go away, like I had
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to make this happen.
I couldn't let excuses keep mefrom going.
That's the thing when theseopportunities come that you say
you want, you have to do them.
And so I figured it out and Imade it happen.
And when I went there, I was soscared.
My thing was fear.
I had to push through a lot offear.
I had to heal a lot of fear.
I'm still like healing certainaspects of myself.
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The plant medicine is sacredand it's intentional and it's a
sacred, sacred ritual and it'sbeautiful.
And through doing that plantmedicine all of my psychic
abilities opened up.
So I went there for that.
I didn't know why, daniela,like I had no idea why, but that
is why, because at the end ofthis I released all I had, all
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of these healing experiencesover the course of this week,
and it released trauma andraised my vibration.
So my frequency kept shiftingand elevate and at the end of
this week long plant medicinejourney we did a breath work
class.
This white light shot throughmy third eye on my head.
My head went crackle, crackle,crackle, my body filled up with
vibration and I heard everythingfrom this moment forward has
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changed.
Your psychic abilities havebeen enhanced and I was crying
and I lost my breath and it waslike the most beautiful
experience.
Daniela SM (22:07):
Anybody else had the same thing as you.
Pamela Downes (22:10):
Everyone who I was going with.
They were already spiritualleaders, people who have been
doing self-development andspiritual work for years.
Many of the people that gothere go to cure addictions.
They go to heal trauma.
So what I didn't say was GeraldPowell.
Through that experience withhis plant medicine journey, he
understood, through a vision,that the plant medicine showed
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him that his grandfathermolested him and that's why he
had all of this hurt and traumainside of him.
He was able to heal that aspectof himself that no longer
needed the addiction.
Daniela SM (22:43):
And in the seven days that you were there, how
many times did you takeayahuasca?
Pamela Downes (22:49):
We took it for four days.
So the first day that we gotthere we did like prep work and
meditation and classes and stuff, and we did it four nights in a
row but you take it multipletimes during the night.
It was incredible.
It was the biggest, biggestexperience of pushing through.
I had a lot of fear inside ofme and I think it's because of
my youth and not getting theconfidence I needed from my
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childhood.
And also I've done a lot ofpast life work.
I've done a lot.
I've seen a lot of visions ofmy past lives.
I've had many, many times whereI've been tortured, killed, you
know, for doing this spiritualwork.
So there was a lot of thatcompounded in my energy body, in
my soul body that needed to bereleased, and that's what I did.
I started doing that atRhythmia when needed to be
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released, and that's what I did.
I started doing that atRhythmia when I got back in
November.
Shortly after that, covid cameMarch of 2020.
I was meditating every morningbut there was something telling
me that this was monumentous,that there was a shift that was
happening on our planet.
I wasn't approaching it likeeveryone else.
I wasn't sitting in front ofthe television and just letting
all of that news just permeateme constantly and letting myself
get filled with fear.
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I was meditating every morningand suddenly I started working
with this group of guides andthen these beings would come in
and I was experiencing differentdimensions and different
frequencies and angelic beingsand alien beings, galactic
beings and all different kindsof energies, different
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frequencies.
They felt different ways andthen they started giving me
visions at night and I startedhaving experiences at night, and
so I was like on a fast track.
Basically, what they said wastrue.
Everything changed and it wassuddenly like I was on this huge
learning experience to figureout like high frequency, low
frequency, galactic beings,angelic beings, and
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understanding them all.
I meditated every morning and Iworked with them and I actually
kept doing the work I was doing.
When I was down in Costa Rica, Iwas reliving these past lives
and I was releasing trauma and Iwas going through them and
raising my vibration each timeuntil one day this group of
beings that I connect with nowcalled the Great Council of
Light, they started intuiting me, they started channeling
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through me, they started talkingthrough me and they would give
me visions, they would give medownloads, they would give me
words, I would see things, hearthings.
I mean, I was really havingexponentially, I was just
expanding.
It was amazing.
And then one night I woke up inthe middle of the night and I
heard spirit calling, spiritcalling, and I got up and I
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wrote it down.
Then in the morning I don'tknow why I bought the domain.
I bought the URL because I knewit was important, because I was
having a lot of premonitionsand visions and I was being told
what the future was going tohappen and that there was going
to be a war and there was goingto be all these things coming,
which all the things that I seeare happening now in the future.
I got up and I bought thedomain and then every morning,
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when I was meditating, I kepthearing you are to build a
portal for humanity.
There's going to be a glassceiling that breaks.
Everything is going to change.
People are going to stop intheir tracks, they're not going
to know who they are, whatthey've believed in, their
entire world, and they're goingto need a safe place to land.
You need to make a portal forhumanity.
And I was like what is that Imean?
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You see what I mean when I sayI had no idea what my story was,
what my like?
You can't plan this stuff.
In the beginning I cowarded andI said me, I know how to do
websites, I know how to domarketing and branding.
What is a portal?
Me, humankind?
It just sounds so big to me.
So I kept meditating and I kepthearing you are to build a
portal, you are to build aportal.
And as all of this washappening, I merged that
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business that I told you aboutthat I had.
I merged it with my client andwe started a new business.
So that was happening at thesame time.
So I have my guides over heresaying build a portal for
humanity.
And meanwhile I'm over herelike building this new business
and I'm like I can't.
How am I supposed to do this?
And it kept coming do it, do it, do it.
One night I woke up in themiddle of the night and I saw
these little wings, this littleicon going do, do, do, do, do,
do, do, do, do, landing on aniPhone screen and I got up and I
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sketched it and then thatmorning I went oh my gosh, it's
all the same thing.
It's the portal, it's spiritcalling it's, it's the logo,
it's the whole thing, and itjust expanded in my head and
then I kept hearing you have tobuild it, you have to build it,
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you have to build it.
And I built it and I launchedit in January of this year.
So it's a community to helpsupport humankind.
But I've also been I am anangelic channeler now.
I teach people, I connectpeople's guides and I give them
private messages and I doone-on-ones and I do sessions
Like I never knew that I woulddo that.
I never thought in my wildestdreams when I left my marriage
one when I did ayahuasca too,when I did, you know, I never, I
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never thought that would be mystory.
So I say this, all of this, toinspire people who might be
anywhere on that journey.
It could be a simple thing, onethat's just I'm tired of being
fearful.
It could be one thing in mystory that is I'm not resonating
in my marriage.
It could be one thing in mystory that says I'm hearing
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things and I don't know whatthat means, or I'm feeling a
draw to move into this direction.
I don't know what that is.
When I was going through myspiritual awakening journey, I
didn't have anyone really totalk to.
I didn't have a community orlike trust, friends or anything.
I had one client who wasreading the Many Lives, many
Masters book at the same time Iwas in, so we would meet and
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talk about it.
But I created a place where youhave a community, where you can
talk about the bumps in thenight, where you could talk
about the visions that you'vehad, where you can ask the
questions that you can't ask atthe dinner table or the
conference room.
I created a place that's safefor people to like explore.
I'm really proud of that.
You know I want the whole worldto know about it because people
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are shifting now in amazingspeed.
Daniela SM (28:53):
Yes, I know I'm amazing and it's interesting
that for for me too, like I'mlearning a lot of you know
always have to learn and readabout spiritual things, but but
and I always admire the peoplehave the power, because I think
I have one, but it sounds morelike I just have a sixth sense
that I can read people's reallyeasy, but lately know being
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recording and somehow, and asI'm starting to listen to you, I
was like, oh my God, everybodyis talking about the same thing
lately, which is interesting,and so maybe there is a message
right.
So, so exactly, Tell me.
So I sign him on the websiteand what happens.
Pamela Downes (29:33):
So there's a couple of different ways to work
with me.
It's really important for methat everybody be able to afford
guidance Like I don't wantanyone to feel like they can't.
So I started off with thespiritual community and it's
really inexpensive.
It's $25 a month and you haveaccess to courses, to events, to
community, to workshops, to acurated sound healing every
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month, to like resourcelibraries.
It's amazing.
But the one thing that I reallyhave been called to do in the
last several months is to putmyself out there to help guide
people so I'm able to connect totheir guides, I'm able to tap
in to speak to their guides,download messages of love,
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support and guidance for them.
So, for instance, I met threedifferent people last week, all
completely individual.
Actually, they were all podcasthosts, which is fascinating.
But the first one was juststarting to wake up.
She is just in the beginningsteps of her spiritual awakening
journey.
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She's talking to her deceasedgrandparents, asking them to
send a butterfly or something toshow that they're there, and
she's not really like reading orgoing on a journey of
exploration.
But she is now because she metme right and I know where she is
on her journey, so I know howto guide her, to tell her that.
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I challenge her to ask for more.
Don't just ask for a butterflyor a rainbow.
You can ask for anything youwant.
The whole world is open to you.
You're connected to all that isso the guides want you to ask.
You have free will.
You have to have a convictioninside of you to want it, to
receive it.
That expands your heart to beable to receive it.
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So I know where she is on herjourney.
I know what she needs and thenext person I met is someone
who's shifting their life,moving into a new part of what
they're doing and their work,and they don't know which
direction they want to go.
They just want a littleguidance to help them, kind of
help them on their journey alittle bit.
That's a channeled message.
She can send me a video and Ican tap into her guides and send
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her the message back.
And then the one-on-one is theelevated version of that, where
we actually meet, we break itdown, we talk, we brainstorm.
I can give them guidance, I cantell them where they are on
their journey, or they can dolike a three-month thing where
we do all of those things and Ikind of guide them along the way
, and for that one you get acommunity membership for the two
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of the three.
And community is important.
The community is reallyimportant because you want to
know more, you want to talk topeople.
You really do so as you'relearning, you want to tell it,
shout it from the rooftops.
Oh my God, did you know this?
Did you ever hear of this?
Like, I just read this or doyou understand what's happening
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to me right now?
And someone would be like, yeah, I do, I experienced that.
Or a healer or a practitionerwho we have aligned
professionals in our portal too,could say hey, it sounds like
you're experiencing this.
You might want to maybe sign upfor a session with me.
I can help guide you throughthis.
You might have a block, youmight have this.
So it's like everything Iexperienced on my journey
together in one place.
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So it's kind of beautiful.
Daniela SM (32:41):
Yes, it sounds, yes, that's beautiful.
And so you just started thisyear.
I started in January.
You still have a job I do.
Pamela Downes (32:49):
No, I run a full-time marketing firm.
I have employees.
Yeah, this will be my future.
I've seen that many times.
When that happens, I'm not sureI'm doing what is my spiritual
journey?
I'm doing what is my soul'spurpose?
We all are.
We all are, and you said youthink you have gifts.
Everyone is born with it.
Everyone is born with a pinealgland.
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Everyone is born with clearsenses.
Everyone is born as anenergetic body.
Our senses, everyone is born asan energetic body.
We're sentient beings.
We are energy.
We have a frequency.
Everything that's living has afrequency.
We are connected to everything.
We're not taught that.
So that's part of what myjourney is.
Also is to like tell everybodywho they actually are.
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They're amazing.
Daniela SM (33:32):
How has this helped you with your marketing business
?
Pamela Downes (33:34):
Being a psychic, intuitive has helped me because
I've watched it shift over theyears.
I used to, just as I saidbefore, be able to tap in to
that heart space easily and then, as it shifted into maybe part
of the story where I was likegetting ready to leave my
marriage, I was a differentversion of that.
I started attractingentrepreneurs that were leaving
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corporate and wanting to starttheir own business and then I
was able to like see a path forthem.
It was interesting because Iget excited.
It's like my energy getsconnected to them and I'm able
to like see what the next stepsare, help them with their
messaging, help them.
I could tap in.
I could see this one person Iwas helping, rafael.
I could see the visual of whathe was explaining to me.
(34:18):
So it was like elevating.
Through my journey it's beenelevating.
So now, everywhere I go, Inetwork like crazy.
I'm in business development,mostly not creative.
I have a creative director onstaff.
Every time I meet someone,every networking event, every
coffee, every launch,spirituality comes up.
So it's like the universe isusing me in a different way, if
you understand, as the connector, but like in a different way.
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I even have a real estateclient.
She's open to it, like peoplehave to be open to it, I don't
just jam it down everybody'sthroat.
She'll ask me for a channelmessage and she'll get a channel
message from me because sheunderstands the guidance,
because she's seen it.
I gave her one once because itjust felt so called to give it
to her.
I felt that she was fragmentedand she needed something to
ground her.
And then so we connect in thatway.
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It's a part of me, so mybusinesses are an extension of
me.
Daniela SM (35:06):
And the staff that you work with, then you are
always kind of giving those kindof advice.
Pamela Downes (35:11):
I think that they're used to me.
One of my employees, shweta.
She's very into the universeand spirituality and stuff like
that.
The rest of my staff not really, but they're into me and they
know who I am and you know weall love each other.
I have a very strong culturethere.
It's a beautiful group of womenand everyone's on their path.
(35:31):
The universe brought each oneof them to me and aligned them
all.
So they've all.
They're all there with purpose.
They've all been attracted andbrought to us with purpose.
Daniela SM (35:40):
Wonderful and so so you have the marketing business,
you have the portal.
Anything else you have, oh, Ihave so many things, I'm not
even done.
Pamela Downes (35:51):
Yes, so we have a podcast that I that I do as
part of my community in thebeginning, but then I realized
everyone needed to know about itand so it's kind of like what
you do you inspire others with astory.
I do the same thing, but what Iwant to talk about specifically
is their spiritual awakeningjourney.
So it's called Live the Call.
It's basically the story ofhearing your spirit's call,
(36:15):
listening to it and then livingit.
So we're telling the story ofwhat that looks like so that
people can be inspired.
So if someone's hearing likethis little whisper, to do and
be and practice and immersethemselves more in spiritualism,
to investigate what that is, todiscover it.
Oftentimes when you go through aspiritual awakening journey, so
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many different things change.
Friends change your interests,change, food change, everything
changes the big things happen.
At the end, your work usuallychanges too, because you want to
do something that's more onpurpose, and that's what I do.
I highlight those sorts ofpeople.
And then I actually justlaunched a new TV show on a
brand new spiritual TV networkcalled the Ethereal Network.
(36:59):
It's etherealtvnet and I have ahalf hour show weekly called
Divine Wisdom.
So what I do is tap into thewisdom of the great council of
light.
They provide a message and webreak it down and we teach.
We also do a meditation calledconnecting our energies and I
(37:20):
also take questions and subjects, topics from audience members
and we answer the questions orwe discuss something that they
want to know about, and I knowthat that's going to evolve into
being more interactive.
So I'm really excited it's justlaunched.
Daniela SM (37:34):
You are a busy person?
Yes, I am, and so how do youget the TV show the universe?
Pamela Downes (37:41):
Okay, yes, the universe.
Well, I've always known youknow, since that moment I told
you to support humankind.
I've always known that thismission that I have is huge and
it's big and it's impactful onthe planet.
The universe knows that, and myguides have told me I've seen
it so many times.
I need a larger platform to beheard on.
(38:03):
So they presented thisopportunity to me.
I had to say yes.
I had to say yes.
You say I'm a busy person.
Yes, I am.
But when this TV thing comes, Ihave to say yes, daniela,
because it's important to themaster plan.
Just like I said, I didn't knowwhere I was going.
This last 10 years.
I kept saying yes, what iscoming?
The next 10, daniela, what iscoming?
(38:24):
I'm saying yes.
So if anybody's taking anythingaway from this, if that is it,
say yes.
Daniela SM (38:30):
Don't let the fear hold you back and so all the
wonderful things that arehappening already.
Are you still asking theuniverse for things or are you
now just letting whateverhappens happens?
Pamela Downes (38:42):
Well, I put my intentions out there.
Most definitely, I think it'svery important to be clear,
because the guides talk about.
Manifestation is having theclear intention, the clarity of
what you want to be able to castit out, to be able to receive
it.
So, yeah, right now.
I've asked for things all thetime because that's our right,
(39:03):
that's how the universal lawswork, and nothing is withheld
from you.
Everything is available to you.
You just have to feel inreceivership and worthy of it,
and we're human.
Sometimes we don't, and then welearn.
It's a learning experience.
Daniela SM (39:15):
Have you changed the way you ask, or is it the same
as at the beginning?
Pamela Downes (39:19):
I think I've changed because my knowings are
different, the way I live isdifferent, but the spirit
calling is just handled and heldby this huge, huge group of
beings that want this to be.
I've been told that I'm goingto come full circle to fruition
(39:39):
with the work that I've tried somany, many, many, many, many,
many, many, many lifetimes.
That is going to happen in thislifetime and going to be able
to reach the masses in the waythat I've always wanted to, to
be able to spread the word.
And, for instance, I live inMaryland right now.
Last year I lived in New Jersey.
I created space about a year anda half prior to that, because I
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knew that I would meet mybeloved.
No one could tell me that Iwouldn't.
No one could tell me that itdoesn't happen for everyone,
pamela.
Well, it was going to happenfor me because I said I wanted
it.
I said what I wanted, I knewall the things I wanted and some
things I didn't even know Iwanted are in this person.
But I believed and I sat and Ijust know, I know it and I went
(40:22):
to Florida one weekend to visitfamily and he went to Florida
one weekend to visit friends andwe met and we lived two and a
half hours away from each other,but we made it happen.
We had to say yes to all thedifficulty that was there.
There's a knowing, there's likea deep knowing within me that
this is my future and I willconnect to these people and they
will receive and I will teach.
(40:42):
Before I moved here, the spacethat you see me sitting in, I
kept having visions of me infront of a computer screen,
talking, talking, talking,talking to many, many, many,
many people.
And that's what I do and that'swhat I'll continue to do.
Daniela SM (40:55):
Wow.
What about your kids?
How did they react towards thisnew mom that was happening.
Pamela Downes (41:04):
They have evolved with me.
In the beginning, I wasdabbling in different modalities
and I was in Reiki, and I wasin yoga, and I was in meditation
and I was doing differentthings and then suddenly there's
like salt lamps in my house andBuddhas, and you know, things
started changing.
I'm I'm always like just anauthentic person and a creative
at heart, and so I've alwaysbeen different.
(41:24):
My language changed and my workchanged, and my kids have
matured with me, because they'renow 21 and and soon to be 19.
So they've, they've come togrow and know who I am.
And now, now, now I'm seeing itlike full circle turn to me
where they're texting mesomething that's more about what
(41:44):
I believe, and I'm seeing thatshift and it's really
fascinating.
It's very cool.
Daniela SM (41:50):
Yeah, that's true, because you know, when we're
young, young most of the timewe're busy with, with I don't
know, know life more thanactually being intrinsic in
ourself, right, and so I.
I know, for example, my kids,especially the oldest one.
He has some power because Iexperienced that when he was
little, but he has chosen more.
He's, you know, the fathervision of science only and
(42:13):
nothing else exists.
And so when I mentioned, you dohave the power, don't let
forget about it.
He always dismiss it, you know.
So eventually, maybe he will,he will get it.
Pamela Downes (42:25):
He will.
He will If he's open to it forsure, I love it.
Daniela SM (42:30):
So wonderful.
So, pamela, is there anythingelse that I can do to serve you
today?
Pamela Downes (42:35):
I would just love to tell people that if they're
interested in tapping into theirguides and having a reading
that they can, that's somethingthat's accessible to them and it
could actually change theirlife in an amazing way.
I just posted a testimonialvideo of this woman, madeline, a
young woman, and she said it'slike the message that I get,
(42:57):
it's like the guides are in mythoughts, the things that I'm
thinking inside of my head, thatI'm wondering, that I want to
know about that guidance isaccessible to them.
So if anybody's interested inthat, they're able to work with
me.
And then also they can checkout our community.
So they can work with me atspirit-callingcom slash
(43:20):
workwithpamela and then theportal is spirit-callingcom.
And then please, by all means,go check out my new show on
etherealtvnet it's called DivineWisdom, it'll be amazing and my
podcast Live, the Call.
It's on the Spirit CallingYouTube channel.
Daniela SM (43:36):
Yeah, it's wonderful .
I want everybody to follow youalso on social media.
For the TV show, do we have tohave a TV or can we watch it on
YouTube?
Pamela Downes (43:51):
Yeah, you can stream it online and then soon
it'll be on Roku and Amazon Fireand all of those streaming
platforms.
So it's in beta first phaselaunch right now.
So you can go to etherealtvnetand check it out there.
Daniela SM (43:58):
Okay, perfect, perfect.
So thank you so much.
It's a beautiful story.
I really appreciate it.
Pamela Downes (44:04):
You're welcome.
You're a beautiful person too.
I appreciate the time and thespace.
Thank you, pamela, you'rewelcome.
Daniela SM (44:10):
I hope you enjoyed today's episode.
I am Daniela and you arelistening to, because Everyone
has a Story.
Please take five seconds rightnow and think of somebody in
your life that may enjoy whatyou just heard, or someone that
has a story to be shared andpreserved.
When you think of that person,shoot them a text with the link
(44:30):
of this podcast.
This will allow the ordinarymagic to go further.
Join me next time for anotherstory conversation.
Thank you for listening.
Hasta pronto.
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