February 18, 2025 • 31 mins
Kirk McCarley's journey of resilience and transformation follows his post-heart bypass surgery efforts to redefine his life through fitness and coaching. Embracing challenges, he shares insights on personal growth, leadership, and the importance of connection across generations.
Kirk, author of Thoughts for My Kids...and Other People's Kids, is a seasoned executive and passionate coach helping clients build confidence and reach their full potential. He holds multiple coaching and HR certifications, works as an ESPN Production Assistant, and leads group cycling classes. Married for 44 years, he and his wife, Cindy, live in Florida with their family and rescue dog, Ivy.
- Kirk's early fascination with sports analytics and broadcasting
- The shift from HR to a coaching career
- Overcoming health challenges post-surgery
- The significance of physical activity for mental health
- Kirk's approach to holistic coaching
- Writing a book aimed at sharing wisdom with younger generations
- Observations on shifts in leadership and workplace dynamics
- Encouragement to embrace curiosity and connections with others
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Daniela SM (00:01):
Hi, I'm Daniela.
Welcome to my podcast, becauseEveryone has a Story, the place
to give ordinary people'sstories the chance to be shared
and preserved.
Our stories become the languageof connections.
Let's enjoy it.
Connect and relate becauseeveryone has a story.
Welcome my guest, Kirk McCarley, faced a profound turning point
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after undergoing heart bypasssurgery.
His journey of resilience andtransformation led him to
embrace fitness and coaching,redefining his purpose along the
way.
Kirk, author of Thoughts for myKids and Other People's Kids
and you have to listen becauseit seems like a really
insightful book he's a seasonedexecutive, a coach, with a
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passion for leadership,connections and personal growth.
He will share his shift from HRto coaching, the power of
staying active for mentalwell-being, his insight on
leadership and generationalwisdom.
This was a lovely conversationfilled with valuable lessons and
a fresh perspective onembracing change.
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Let's enjoy his story.
Welcome, Kirk, to the show.
Kirk McCarley (01:14):
Thank you, Daniela.
My pleasure and joy to be withyou today.
Daniela SM (01:18):
Yes, and I know you have a story, so I want to know
why you want to share your story.
Kirk McCarley (01:22):
I want to share my story because there may be
some others whose shoes I'vewalked in and others who may
walk in our shoes my shoes aswell.
So if I have something to sharethat's going to resonate with
somebody out there, then this isgoing to be a successful
program for me.
Daniela SM (01:41):
Perfect.
Thank you so much.
It is very important thatpeople share their stories.
It always helps others, and sowhen does your story start?
Kirk McCarley (01:50):
My story starts probably at inception.
I'm a native Texan, grew up inFort Worth, texas, had a great
childhood, I would say, to thetypical things that kids did
back in the 50s and 60s.
I developed an interest insports as an adolescent and I
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played, but I would say whatfascinated me just as much is
the statistical narrative thatwent along with that.
I was fascinated withmathematics and numbers, what
things would average out to, tokind of talk about the story of
the games that were taking place.
Fast forward into college, Iwas rooming with a broadcast
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communication major and he didreal well in his career.
After we graduated herecognized the gift I had for
working with numbers andunderstanding sports analytics
and so when he got abroadcasting gig doing football
college football he asked me tojoin him.
So I did that.
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That parlayed into a career.
I'm still doing so.
Concurrently with that, I wasan HR person human resources.
I was an HR person, humanresources and late in that
career I had designs on doingsomething different.
I don't have notions ofretirement per se, although I
draw retirement income but mynotion was what is something
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that's related to this that Ican embark upon?
So I hired a coach myself andtalked about several different
things, going into as a vocation, eventually, about the third
meeting I had with him.
I want to do what you do.
So that began to launch thatjourney.
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Now, the obstacle occurred abouta year after that.
I'm a spin instructor.
I teach group exercise classes.
I was working out at the gymand all of a sudden, the world
went black.
The next thing I knew I waslaying on the ground with
paramedics and EMTs above measking me what's your name?
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What's your date of birth?
What's your name?
What's your date of birth?
And to make a long story shorton that episode, four days later
I was having triple bypasssurgery for something that was
undiagnosed at that point intime.
I use that as a launching pad,because I had a choice then,
daniela Okay, I can wither away,or I can resolve to make myself
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a better version than what I amcurrently.
I took that pathway the latter,and that's where my current
journey, I believe, really beganto launch.
Daniela SM (04:36):
So you like sports, but mostly the statistics.
Then you went into HR and thenyou decided to be a fitness
instructor.
Kirk McCarley (04:45):
Well, I had been a fitness instructor prior to
the time I made that decision,so I've been leading classes for
16 years or so now.
So that was concurrent withbeing an HR person, being a
sports statistician and, ofcourse, teaching spin classes.
Daniela SM (05:03):
So quite well, diverse and balanced that you
were doing HR, which is people,and on top of that you did
exercise, which is healthy andvery good.
I don't think too many peoplehave these kind of balance.
Kirk McCarley (05:16):
Well, I joke and say I'm 67 years old and still
trying to figure out what I wantto do, so I'll do a little bit
of everything.
Daniela SM (05:23):
There is a lot of people like you over there, me
included, and so then you weredoing exercise and this happened
to you and you had an operation, and then After that I started
a rehabilitation program and Iwas on a fast track with that.
Kirk McCarley (05:38):
At-home nurses would visit me and are you
getting up and walking aroundthe house?
This was a week post-op.
And I said, yeah, I walked acouple of miles today.
And are you getting up andwalking around the house?
This was a week post-op.
And I said, yeah, I walked acouple of miles today.
And they said you did what.
I said, yeah, I just felt goodenough to get out and do that,
but quickly.
About that time I also realizedunless I begin to re-engage, I
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have a propensity towardsclinical depression.
I'm going to get myselfdepressed, towards clinical
depression.
I'm going to get myselfdepressed.
So I did some self-talk at thattime.
What are you going to do tobecome a better version of what
you had been before that time?
So I set some goals.
One I want to get back to workat the job I was doing within
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three weeks of surgery.
I did that.
Two weeks after that I was backat the gym beginning to work
out.
Seven weeks after the surgery Iwas back leading spinning
classes.
So I was getting the body backinto condition.
The mind goes with that as well, that mind-body connection.
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So that naturally tended tolaunch me into the thought
process of if you're going tostart this business that you
talk to your coach about, youbetter start making plans to
launch that now.
So it was at that point in timethat I began laying the
groundwork to go into coaching.
Daniela SM (07:02):
You decided to always exercise what pushed you
to do that.
Kirk McCarley (07:05):
I've just always had a propensity for exercise.
I played sports in high schooland of course, we were made to
exercise then, but beyond thatpoint in time I developed a
habit.
I'm going to continue to dothis, regardless of somebody
making me, and so, as a result,regardless of somebody making me
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, and so, as a result, I ranuntil my back got to the point I
couldn't run.
In my early 40s, I'd like tosay, I competed in running
events.
I took part in them.
I don't know how competitive Iwas, but there were goals that
were there in order to finish a10K or a half marathon or
whatever the case may be.
Later, when I couldn't runanymore because of my back, that
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was the transition into spinclasses and then eventually
cycling, which I still do tothis day, and set goals for
various rides that I want to dowith groups.
So that's become kind of mymotivation my exercise now.
Daniela SM (08:05):
Okay, it doesn't happen that people after having
triple bypass operation thatthey can actually be as active
as you are.
Kirk McCarley (08:12):
Oftentimes it does not, but one of the things
I shared with my surgeon and mycardiologist as I was going
through that process of gettingprepped for surgery is my goal
Even then.
I want to get back to beingable to compete, to exercise.
I don't want to sit on a couchand do sedentary, light type
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exercises.
After that surgery took place,that was in 2014.
At that point in time, I'd donenine century bike rides that
were monitored.
Since then, I've done 17 more.
So I set a goal I want to pickup the pace and I want to get to
a better place than I was priorto having had this surgery.
Daniela SM (08:58):
And how many weeks were you resting after the
operation?
Kirk McCarley (09:01):
Five weeks.
Okay, I've got coronary arterydisease.
That's a gift that I'veinherited.
Daniela SM (09:08):
I like when you say that you inherited a gift.
That makes it all very positive.
Kirk McCarley (09:15):
It really is a gift to some degree, Daniella,
because I think back, had I notgone through that episode that I
did, which is a wake-up call, Imay not have been as motivated
as I was to get into coachingand to push things further in my
life.
Daniela SM (09:32):
Getting to coaching.
What type of coaching?
Kirk McCarley (09:35):
I do executive development coaching, I do
leadership development coaching,I do leadership development
coaching and I do careercoaching.
Having said those three things,life always intersects those
vocational areas, thoseprofessional areas we're engaged
with, about their health, abouttheir finances sometime, about
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what they do from a leisurestandpoint, spirituality,
relationships all those areasthat we all intersect with In
addition to what do you need todo to make your job better, to
find a different job, to improveyourself professionally.
So it covers all those areasbut typically begins from a
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career and work standpoint.
You just started to do that.
I've been doing that for eightyears now, Of course, starting
your own business those of usthat have done that that takes
some patience at the front end.
How do I get clients?
How do I go about doing that?
Having to do the administrativethings, establishing an LLC,
what are my rates going to be?
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How am I going to market myself?
How am I going to network?
And the marketing andnetworking, for me at least, I
tend to be more on theintroverted side.
So, my gosh, I don't want to goout there and have to sell
myself.
That's some self-talk of well,do you want to have some clients
or do you not want to haveclients Figure out a way to do
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that.
Learn to compensate with someof the things that are not as
enticing to me.
Daniela SM (11:08):
It's very difficult to do that.
When do you get the opportunityto talk to people?
Kirk McCarley (11:12):
I will get referrals from other clients
that I've worked with Use socialmedia.
I blog a lot.
I'm also in the process ofwriting a book which is going to
be coming out this fall, whichwill become another marketing
tool to get my name and my ideasout there.
Daniela SM (11:27):
How did you decide to write a book?
Kirk McCarley (11:30):
I have a column in our local paper it comes out
monthly talking aboutobservations from a leadership
standpoint, communications,maybe sports, a variety of
things like that the publishersaid to me.
He said you write pretty well.
Have you ever thought aboutwriting a book?
And that was the catalyst.
Plus.
I've got these blogs that areon my website.
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Thought has come to mind.
I need to bundle these togetherand do something with them.
That's what this book is is acompilation of those vignettes,
short stories, tales which Ihope are going to connect with
some of the readers, which I'mtargeting millennials and Zs
with that, because I canremember what it was like for me
40 years ago and I wish I'd hada good book, parables and
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advice that I could resource toapply to some of the situations
that I was confronted with andhad been confronted with through
the years.
So that's what the design ofthe book is intended to do.
Daniela SM (12:29):
Yeah, that's wonderful.
And how do you stay updatedwith the generations?
How do you know?
You know what worked with youthen and now the people are
completely different and therules are completely different
as well.
Kirk McCarley (12:41):
Observation is one of the things Try to read a
lot, keep up with social mediaand I'm fortunate I've got a
33-year-old and a 29-year-oldson and daughter, so I watch
what they're doing, how they andtheir spouses are going about
doing things, and pick things upfrom that resource.
Plus, I picked up a lot ofclients that are in that
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generation as well, so I learnedthings from them what's cool,
what's not as cool.
I'd like to be cooler, but Ithink I'm doing okay.
Daniela SM (13:14):
Uh-huh, well, that's super interesting, isn't it
true that we always learn fromour kids one of the many
advantages of having children.
Kirk McCarley (13:20):
Particularly when your children are adults.
One of the challenges is we'vereached that point, then, where
we're not giving advice so muchanymore, or at least I'm trying
to discipline myself fromoffering unsolicited advice.
So a lot of listening, a lot ofhearing, giving a lot of space
for them to express what's ontheir mind.
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I pick stuff up from that.
Daniela SM (13:44):
And interesting that you bring that up.
It's true, you have todiscipline yourself.
Kirk McCarley (13:47):
There you go.
Daniela SM (13:48):
Give unsolicited advice.
It's difficult, and especiallywhen you have expectations.
Maybe it's easier now that theyhave their own life and perhaps
they have their own partners,versus when they were maybe
young, in the 20s.
Do you think that it hasevolved Well?
Kirk McCarley (14:04):
I remember times with both my kids when they
were 14, 16, 18 years old.
Come on in here, let's have atalk and share some things that
have been observed and presentadvice.
Share some things that havebeen observed and present advice
.
Now it's much more carefullyconsidered, starting from the
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standpoint of may I saysomething or may I say something
about what I've observed, andoftentimes the answer is going
to be nope.
Okay, they may come back sixmonths later and say you
mentioned something to me sixmonths ago.
You wanted to say I think I'mready to listen to it now.
So there's a lot of patiencethat goes with that, I find.
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But again, a lot of observation, and we've got to be tolerant
enough to allow them to maketheir mistakes, as we made our
mistakes, as we were growing upas well, and our parents my wife
and I, mine were, I think, verypatient with us.
They would point things outhere or there, but there wasn't
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a whole lot of unsolicitedadvice and I know there were
times they just wanted to turntheir head and look the other
way, and they probably did, butthey.
Let us make our mistakes.
Daniela SM (15:20):
It's not only mistakes, but just how to
conduct yourself with otherhumans.
I think and you were veryfortunate that you have your
in-laws and your parents thatactually didn't offer
unsolicited advice.
That's not the norm.
Kirk McCarley (15:35):
I remember this when my parents would talk and I
was growing up during theVietnam War and we watched it on
TV and just how horrible it was.
And one thing I did pick upfrom that is they would make
commentary similar to what manyof us tend to say now.
They said back then so glad Ididn't grow up.
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Now you guys have got so manychallenges that you're facing, I
don't know what this world iscoming to.
I hear my peers say the samething and I watch.
Particularly the teens and theZs and maybe the millennials
look at that and shrug theirshoulders and say if that's how
you feel about it, why do weeven want to try if things look
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futile?
So positivity not beingPollyanna necessarily, but
positivity there is a future,there are things to aim for and,
refreshingly what I findparticularly in that generation,
there's a real yearning to wantto have impact on society in
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some way, shape or form.
I hear so many say I don't wantto be stuck in an office
cubicle.
I want to be doing things thatare going to have impact on the
climate or hunger, or betteringthe lives of others, dealing
with poverty, different thingssuch as that.
So to feed that positive fuelthat is burning within them.
Daniela SM (17:05):
Yeah, interesting.
That says that everybody willbe fine, that things are always
challenging, but people alwaysfind ways of solving issues, and
they're different every time.
And that's life.
Kirk McCarley (17:16):
The world has always been a good and a bad
place.
It's no different now.
There are amazing things beingdone, but there are also some
things that make our heads spin.
Daniela SM (17:26):
Yes, I had a guest who says that life doesn't get
easy.
It gets interesting.
That's a good quote.
Kirk McCarley (17:33):
Along that same line and, speaking of coaching,
I like what somebody shared withme.
It was in order to beinteresting, be interested in
others.
Daniela SM (17:43):
Okay, so life doesn't get easy.
It gets interesting if youbecome interested in others.
Kirk McCarley (17:49):
Interested in others is a blessing because of
the stories that they have tobring and the knowledge that you
gain.
It's how I've got a book now.
It's just listening to whatothers have said and observing
what they've experienced, whatI've experienced, what people
have done.
It's fascinating.
Daniela SM (18:06):
But this is also a certain aid.
As you become older, if youwork on yourself, you become a
better listener, but when you'reyounger, you were just thinking
about you all the time, and soI think that you forget the
other people, unless you have avery superpower of empathy.
Kirk McCarley (18:24):
Me, me, me, me, and that can continue on.
I remember a talk and this isin my book that I was listening
to.
This was many years ago.
I was losing focus on what wasbeing talked about and so I
started examining myself why amI not interested?
And sort of asked myself, whyam I doing that?
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I started keeping a tallybecause one of the things I
noticed was the speaker wasusing a preponderance of the
first person pronoun.
A lot in the presentation, infact over a 15-minute sample
size that I tallied that on thefirst person pronoun, I, me, we
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was enunciated 126 times.
That comes out to once everyseven to eight seconds.
Now somebody was sitting nextto me, looked and asked me what
are you doing?
No-transcript, in order to beinteresting.
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So that insular thought thatit's all about me can sometimes
penetrate into our everydayconversations and makes the
distinction between perhapssomebody you want to be around
and listen to and someone elsethat you just assume not.
Daniela SM (20:06):
When you're telling a story, it's obviously your
story.
It is difficult to put somebodyelse besides I or me, but I
guess not to use it as much.
Is that what you're saying?
Kirk McCarley (20:15):
That's what I'm saying.
Keep it in my consciousness.
Daniela SM (20:17):
Yeah, similar to when you're doing a cover letter
.
I get a lot of hiring and I getto see those.
You can see the I's on thewhole page the most.
Kirk McCarley (20:27):
Recommendation.
Count them how many I's areyou's versus you's Y-O-U?
You can see what has been done,what the achievements have been
.
I've read and there's I, butI've read about your
organization and what you'vedone to create a great work
environment.
A work environment such as thatis rare, and you're to be
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commended for the steps you'vetaken, particularly with your
innovation, to cause thesethings to happen.
We all love to hear aboutourselves and you're just
playing right into that as anexample of how you would respond
in a cover letter or in aconversation.
Daniela SM (21:03):
Yes, the young people tend to say, oh, I don't
want to play the game.
And I always said it's not agame, it's a strategy.
Kirk McCarley (21:16):
Is there another word that you would use for
that?
I love games and I like thecompetition of it, and there are
so many different ways to playthe game.
You can play the game bybecoming unique and
differentiating yourself andbecoming noticed by maybe being
a little bit different.
Perhaps everybody in your groupis doing things one way.
What if you took the path ofleast resistance and approach
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things in an alternative method?
I used to coach people when wewere distributing paper resumes.
How about you send a purpleresume or green resume?
You may get thrown into a trashbox, but then again you may get
noticed and somebody's going toadmire you for the courage that
you had, for the gumption, forthe thinking.
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A little bit out of the box,you may get that job interview.
As I've interviewed peoplethroughout my career, which I
did a lot of in HR I wouldalways find that in the first
three to five minutes and manyinterviewers would agree with
this a decision is being made.
I either like the connectionI'm feeling with this individual
or I don't.
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What would really be unique tome is if I made that decision
within the first three to fiveminutes and after 25 or 30
minutes they said something thatwas unique, it was bold, it was
different, and I becamefascinated because they went
outside the normal pattern andit was oftentimes this is a
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person to bring into thisorganization because they're
going to add some value.
They're going to add somediversity, some uniqueness, some
different ideas, and that'spart of what makes a synergetic
team.
Daniela SM (22:55):
Question about leadership.
So have you seen a change sinceyou were a young employee to
now?
Kirk McCarley (23:03):
I would like to think it has.
I think there's a greaterpropensity of awareness.
Women in the workplace 45 yearsago, almost now, there were
women that were in workenvironment, but not in
leadership roles so much.
It was administrative roles,maybe office roles.
Now we see so many women thatare leading organizations.
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With that.
I think that's been wonderful,not only for diversity but
different viewpoints, differentperspectives.
The other thing, more recently,particularly post-COVID and
during COVID, is remote work andthe old school concern is how
am I going to know if thisperson's doing their work?
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We've had to shift the way wemeasure that.
It's also interesting we talkabout reading staff is how some
individuals miss that connectionthat live that in-person.
So how can we balance that out?
So you'll have hybrid jobswhere you come into the office
twice a week, work from home twoor three days a week, whatever
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the case may be on that, to kindof get that connection balance
that goes with it.
So a lot of leadershipadjustments, a lot of focusing
more on the whole person versusjust what they are in the work
environment, because most oflife occurs outside of work.
It still does.
Daniela SM (24:31):
Yeah, thank you for that summary.
In the past you need a managerto manage, but now the people
are working remotely.
You don't need a manager, youneed leadership.
People should move frommanaging and controlling to a
more of a leadership approach.
Kirk McCarley (24:45):
For some people it's hard to make that
distinction.
I'm managing well, which meansI know what the rules and the
procedures are.
I know how to get this productdone.
I've been doing it for yearsand years and I do everything
according to the book.
The leader understands the book, but also how big their box is
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within that.
In other words, how can I getthe same or better productivity
out of this individual bythinking outside the box a
little bit, by giving them somedifferent assignments to
diversify their work, to make itmore interesting to them, to
enrich their jobs, to broadentheir experience and to build
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them up to where they can be afuture leader in the
organization.
So succession planning becomesso important.
Who is going to replace me?
And not so much I'm threatenedif I develop this person because
they may be getting better thanI am, but rather what kind of
an asset can they be that I canmove on and promote?
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They may even become my bosssomeday, but when they do become
my boss, remember how well Itreated you on the way up.
Remember me too.
So it becomes very fluid inthat realm.
Daniela SM (26:04):
Hopefully, hopefully .
You talk about remote working,but a lot of companies are
taking away that, which I don'tknow.
I thought we were movingforward and it seems that it's
not happening.
Kirk McCarley (26:14):
In some organizations that is the case,
many of those.
There is a reason for that.
We need to be able to respondto our customers in person
because they crave that and themission is still, or should be,
oriented towards an optimumbalance between meeting employee
needs and meeting customerneeds, and hopefully both of
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them are in congruence often alot of the time.
So it can be driven by that.
Sometimes there's still themanager mentality that kicks in.
I can't see what they're doing.
I need them to be here to watchthem.
But again, where a job lendsitself to being remote, data
input that goes into it oranalytical work, it would seem
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counterintuitive to allow themto continue to work in that kind
of a frame.
I do talk to some remoteworkers that actually miss the
office environment to have thatphysical presence, if you will.
So it's finding that balance.
Daniela SM (27:16):
Yes, for me it's good.
I work two days from home,three at the office, so it's a
balance.
I get really busy in the office, so the times that I'm at home
I'm going to recharge for thenext day to be even stronger.
Well, I know that when I wasdoing it for five days, I was
depleted by the third day.
Kirk McCarley (27:33):
If I may share kind of an exaggerated example
of that.
I was in Champaign, illinois,this past weekend working a
football game Kansas versusIllinois and so I was there.
I was present Three years ago,right after COVID.
Many of the broadcasts thatwere being done in sports were
being done remotely, so I wasobserving the game on Zoom, just
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as you and I are talking rightnow.
I could see everyone else thatwas on the broadcast crew that
was in a Zoom box similar towhat we're in.
You would lose the atmosphereand the flavor and the feel for
where you were because you wereindoors, you were in an
insulated environment.
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You're also subject to havingan accurate connection and if
the connection goes down you'resunk for who knows how long.
But to be in an environmentsuch as we were in on Saturday
night, where you hear the crowd,you see the crowd, you smell
the environment, you feel thecoolness in the air, you smell
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the popcorn there's something tobe said for that.
So people ask do you preferworking remote?
In some ways I do.
I don't have to get on anairplane and travel someplace.
I can sleep in my own bed.
It's less time consuming.
But there's nothing like beinglive for an event and feeling
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all those senses at work.
Daniela SM (29:05):
Of course.
It's like when you had meetingswith your friend over Zoom.
That was silly.
You need the connection, ofcourse.
Yeah, yeah, that's like whenyou had meetings with your
friend over Zoom.
That was silly.
You need the connection, ofcourse.
Yeah, yeah, that's a greatexample.
So we know that you are movingforward with a book, that you
are continuing coaching peopleand you are giving classes.
You're still a spinninginstructor, anything else.
Kirk McCarley (29:23):
Still a spinning instructor.
I had a class this morningStill doing that in Destin
Florida this morning, Stilldoing that in Destin Florida.
The book will have come out infall of 2024.
Great present in January forValentine's Day, or something
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for graduation for someone who'sgetting out of college, one of
your kids, to go on and bone upon some things that may be
helpful for them.
What is the title?
Thoughts for my Kids and OtherPeople's Kids my two kids, my
six grandkids, but we're allother people's kids too.
So it's a book for any of usbetween, as the Fort Worth Zoo
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sign used to say, fun for agesfour to 84.
This book is for everyone.
Daniela SM (30:14):
Oh wow, excellent, Excellent, all right, so we will
put that in the show notes andalso your link for your website,
how to find you and how to getin touch with you.
You have Instagram and LinkedIn.
Kirk McCarley (30:26):
I've got a LinkedIn, I've got a Facebook,
so I can be reached on that.
Kirk McCarley, perfect Love tohear from some of y'all that
have listened in today.
Daniela SM (30:35):
All right, wonderful .
Thank you so much for theconversation and your story.
Kirk McCarley (30:39):
Thank you, daniela, it was my joy to be
with you.
Thank you.
Daniela SM (30:42):
I hope you enjoyed today's episode.
I am Daniela and you arelistening to, because Everyone
has a Story.
Please take five seconds rightnow and think of somebody in
your life that may enjoy whatyou just heard, or someone that
has a story to be shared andpreserved.
When you think of that person,shoot them a text with the link
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of this podcast.
This will allow the ordinarymagic to go further.
Join me next time for anotherstory conversation.
Thank you for listening.
Hi, I'm Daniela.
Welcome to my podcast, becauseEveryone has a Story, the place
to give ordinary people'sstories the chance to be shared
and preserved.
Our stories become the languageof connections.
Let's enjoy it.
Connect and relate becauseeveryone has a story.
Welcome my guest, Kirk McCarley, faced a profound turning point
(00:26):
after undergoing heart bypasssurgery.
His journey of resilience andtransformation led him to
embrace fitness and coaching,redefining his purpose along the
way.
Kirk, author of Thoughts for myKids and Other People's Kids
and you have to listen becauseit seems like a really
insightful book he's a seasonedexecutive, a coach, with a
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passion for leadership,connections and personal growth.
He will share his shift from HRto coaching, the power of
staying active for mentalwell-being, his insight on
leadership and generationalwisdom.
This was a lovely conversationfilled with valuable lessons and
a fresh perspective onembracing change.
(01:10):
Let's enjoy his story.
Welcome, Kirk, to the show.
Kirk McCarley (01:14):
Thank you, Daniela.
My pleasure and joy to be withyou today.
Daniela SM (01:18):
Yes, and I know you have a story, so I want to know
why you want to share your story.
Kirk McCarley (01:22):
I want to share my story because there may be
some others whose shoes I'vewalked in and others who may
walk in our shoes my shoes aswell.
So if I have something to sharethat's going to resonate with
somebody out there, then this isgoing to be a successful
program for me.
Daniela SM (01:41):
Perfect.
Thank you so much.
It is very important thatpeople share their stories.
It always helps others, and sowhen does your story start?
Kirk McCarley (01:50):
My story starts probably at inception.
I'm a native Texan, grew up inFort Worth, texas, had a great
childhood, I would say, to thetypical things that kids did
back in the 50s and 60s.
I developed an interest insports as an adolescent and I
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played, but I would say whatfascinated me just as much is
the statistical narrative thatwent along with that.
I was fascinated withmathematics and numbers, what
things would average out to, tokind of talk about the story of
the games that were taking place.
Fast forward into college, Iwas rooming with a broadcast
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communication major and he didreal well in his career.
After we graduated herecognized the gift I had for
working with numbers andunderstanding sports analytics
and so when he got abroadcasting gig doing football
college football he asked me tojoin him.
So I did that.
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That parlayed into a career.
I'm still doing so.
Concurrently with that, I wasan HR person human resources.
I was an HR person, humanresources and late in that
career I had designs on doingsomething different.
I don't have notions ofretirement per se, although I
draw retirement income but mynotion was what is something
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that's related to this that Ican embark upon?
So I hired a coach myself andtalked about several different
things, going into as a vocation, eventually, about the third
meeting I had with him.
I want to do what you do.
So that began to launch thatjourney.
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Now, the obstacle occurred abouta year after that.
I'm a spin instructor.
I teach group exercise classes.
I was working out at the gymand all of a sudden, the world
went black.
The next thing I knew I waslaying on the ground with
paramedics and EMTs above measking me what's your name?
(04:00):
What's your date of birth?
What's your name?
What's your date of birth?
And to make a long story shorton that episode, four days later
I was having triple bypasssurgery for something that was
undiagnosed at that point intime.
I use that as a launching pad,because I had a choice then,
daniela Okay, I can wither away,or I can resolve to make myself
(04:25):
a better version than what I amcurrently.
I took that pathway the latter,and that's where my current
journey, I believe, really beganto launch.
Daniela SM (04:36):
So you like sports, but mostly the statistics.
Then you went into HR and thenyou decided to be a fitness
instructor.
Kirk McCarley (04:45):
Well, I had been a fitness instructor prior to
the time I made that decision,so I've been leading classes for
16 years or so now.
So that was concurrent withbeing an HR person, being a
sports statistician and, ofcourse, teaching spin classes.
Daniela SM (05:03):
So quite well, diverse and balanced that you
were doing HR, which is people,and on top of that you did
exercise, which is healthy andvery good.
I don't think too many peoplehave these kind of balance.
Kirk McCarley (05:16):
Well, I joke and say I'm 67 years old and still
trying to figure out what I wantto do, so I'll do a little bit
of everything.
Daniela SM (05:23):
There is a lot of people like you over there, me
included, and so then you weredoing exercise and this happened
to you and you had an operation, and then After that I started
a rehabilitation program and Iwas on a fast track with that.
Kirk McCarley (05:38):
At-home nurses would visit me and are you
getting up and walking aroundthe house?
This was a week post-op.
And I said, yeah, I walked acouple of miles today.
And are you getting up andwalking around the house?
This was a week post-op.
And I said, yeah, I walked acouple of miles today.
And they said you did what.
I said, yeah, I just felt goodenough to get out and do that,
but quickly.
About that time I also realizedunless I begin to re-engage, I
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have a propensity towardsclinical depression.
I'm going to get myselfdepressed, towards clinical
depression.
I'm going to get myselfdepressed.
So I did some self-talk at thattime.
What are you going to do tobecome a better version of what
you had been before that time?
So I set some goals.
One I want to get back to workat the job I was doing within
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three weeks of surgery.
I did that.
Two weeks after that I was backat the gym beginning to work
out.
Seven weeks after the surgery Iwas back leading spinning
classes.
So I was getting the body backinto condition.
The mind goes with that as well, that mind-body connection.
(06:43):
So that naturally tended tolaunch me into the thought
process of if you're going tostart this business that you
talk to your coach about, youbetter start making plans to
launch that now.
So it was at that point in timethat I began laying the
groundwork to go into coaching.
Daniela SM (07:02):
You decided to always exercise what pushed you
to do that.
Kirk McCarley (07:05):
I've just always had a propensity for exercise.
I played sports in high schooland of course, we were made to
exercise then, but beyond thatpoint in time I developed a
habit.
I'm going to continue to dothis, regardless of somebody
making me, and so, as a result,regardless of somebody making me
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, and so, as a result, I ranuntil my back got to the point I
couldn't run.
In my early 40s, I'd like tosay, I competed in running
events.
I took part in them.
I don't know how competitive Iwas, but there were goals that
were there in order to finish a10K or a half marathon or
whatever the case may be.
Later, when I couldn't runanymore because of my back, that
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was the transition into spinclasses and then eventually
cycling, which I still do tothis day, and set goals for
various rides that I want to dowith groups.
So that's become kind of mymotivation my exercise now.
Daniela SM (08:05):
Okay, it doesn't happen that people after having
triple bypass operation thatthey can actually be as active
as you are.
Kirk McCarley (08:12):
Oftentimes it does not, but one of the things
I shared with my surgeon and mycardiologist as I was going
through that process of gettingprepped for surgery is my goal
Even then.
I want to get back to beingable to compete, to exercise.
I don't want to sit on a couchand do sedentary, light type
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exercises.
After that surgery took place,that was in 2014.
At that point in time, I'd donenine century bike rides that
were monitored.
Since then, I've done 17 more.
So I set a goal I want to pickup the pace and I want to get to
a better place than I was priorto having had this surgery.
Daniela SM (08:58):
And how many weeks were you resting after the
operation?
Kirk McCarley (09:01):
Five weeks.
Okay, I've got coronary arterydisease.
That's a gift that I'veinherited.
Daniela SM (09:08):
I like when you say that you inherited a gift.
That makes it all very positive.
Kirk McCarley (09:15):
It really is a gift to some degree, Daniella,
because I think back, had I notgone through that episode that I
did, which is a wake-up call, Imay not have been as motivated
as I was to get into coachingand to push things further in my
life.
Daniela SM (09:32):
Getting to coaching.
What type of coaching?
Kirk McCarley (09:35):
I do executive development coaching, I do
leadership development coaching,I do leadership development
coaching and I do careercoaching.
Having said those three things,life always intersects those
vocational areas, thoseprofessional areas we're engaged
with, about their health, abouttheir finances sometime, about
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what they do from a leisurestandpoint, spirituality,
relationships all those areasthat we all intersect with In
addition to what do you need todo to make your job better, to
find a different job, to improveyourself professionally.
So it covers all those areasbut typically begins from a
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career and work standpoint.
You just started to do that.
I've been doing that for eightyears now, Of course, starting
your own business those of usthat have done that that takes
some patience at the front end.
How do I get clients?
How do I go about doing that?
Having to do the administrativethings, establishing an LLC,
what are my rates going to be?
(10:40):
How am I going to market myself?
How am I going to network?
And the marketing andnetworking, for me at least, I
tend to be more on theintroverted side.
So, my gosh, I don't want to goout there and have to sell
myself.
That's some self-talk of well,do you want to have some clients
or do you not want to haveclients Figure out a way to do
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that.
Learn to compensate with someof the things that are not as
enticing to me.
Daniela SM (11:08):
It's very difficult to do that.
When do you get the opportunityto talk to people?
Kirk McCarley (11:12):
I will get referrals from other clients
that I've worked with Use socialmedia.
I blog a lot.
I'm also in the process ofwriting a book which is going to
be coming out this fall, whichwill become another marketing
tool to get my name and my ideasout there.
Daniela SM (11:27):
How did you decide to write a book?
Kirk McCarley (11:30):
I have a column in our local paper it comes out
monthly talking aboutobservations from a leadership
standpoint, communications,maybe sports, a variety of
things like that the publishersaid to me.
He said you write pretty well.
Have you ever thought aboutwriting a book?
And that was the catalyst.
Plus.
I've got these blogs that areon my website.
(11:53):
Thought has come to mind.
I need to bundle these togetherand do something with them.
That's what this book is is acompilation of those vignettes,
short stories, tales which Ihope are going to connect with
some of the readers, which I'mtargeting millennials and Zs
with that, because I canremember what it was like for me
40 years ago and I wish I'd hada good book, parables and
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advice that I could resource toapply to some of the situations
that I was confronted with andhad been confronted with through
the years.
So that's what the design ofthe book is intended to do.
Daniela SM (12:29):
Yeah, that's wonderful.
And how do you stay updatedwith the generations?
How do you know?
You know what worked with youthen and now the people are
completely different and therules are completely different
as well.
Kirk McCarley (12:41):
Observation is one of the things Try to read a
lot, keep up with social mediaand I'm fortunate I've got a
33-year-old and a 29-year-oldson and daughter, so I watch
what they're doing, how they andtheir spouses are going about
doing things, and pick things upfrom that resource.
Plus, I picked up a lot ofclients that are in that
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generation as well, so I learnedthings from them what's cool,
what's not as cool.
I'd like to be cooler, but Ithink I'm doing okay.
Daniela SM (13:14):
Uh-huh, well, that's super interesting, isn't it
true that we always learn fromour kids one of the many
advantages of having children.
Kirk McCarley (13:20):
Particularly when your children are adults.
One of the challenges is we'vereached that point, then, where
we're not giving advice so muchanymore, or at least I'm trying
to discipline myself fromoffering unsolicited advice.
So a lot of listening, a lot ofhearing, giving a lot of space
for them to express what's ontheir mind.
(13:41):
I pick stuff up from that.
Daniela SM (13:44):
And interesting that you bring that up.
It's true, you have todiscipline yourself.
Kirk McCarley (13:47):
There you go.
Daniela SM (13:48):
Give unsolicited advice.
It's difficult, and especiallywhen you have expectations.
Maybe it's easier now that theyhave their own life and perhaps
they have their own partners,versus when they were maybe
young, in the 20s.
Do you think that it hasevolved Well?
Kirk McCarley (14:04):
I remember times with both my kids when they
were 14, 16, 18 years old.
Come on in here, let's have atalk and share some things that
have been observed and presentadvice.
Share some things that havebeen observed and present advice
.
Now it's much more carefullyconsidered, starting from the
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standpoint of may I saysomething or may I say something
about what I've observed, andoftentimes the answer is going
to be nope.
Okay, they may come back sixmonths later and say you
mentioned something to me sixmonths ago.
You wanted to say I think I'mready to listen to it now.
So there's a lot of patiencethat goes with that, I find.
(14:45):
But again, a lot of observation, and we've got to be tolerant
enough to allow them to maketheir mistakes, as we made our
mistakes, as we were growing upas well, and our parents my wife
and I, mine were, I think, verypatient with us.
They would point things outhere or there, but there wasn't
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a whole lot of unsolicitedadvice and I know there were
times they just wanted to turntheir head and look the other
way, and they probably did, butthey.
Let us make our mistakes.
Daniela SM (15:20):
It's not only mistakes, but just how to
conduct yourself with otherhumans.
I think and you were veryfortunate that you have your
in-laws and your parents thatactually didn't offer
unsolicited advice.
That's not the norm.
Kirk McCarley (15:35):
I remember this when my parents would talk and I
was growing up during theVietnam War and we watched it on
TV and just how horrible it was.
And one thing I did pick upfrom that is they would make
commentary similar to what manyof us tend to say now.
They said back then so glad Ididn't grow up.
(15:56):
Now you guys have got so manychallenges that you're facing, I
don't know what this world iscoming to.
I hear my peers say the samething and I watch.
Particularly the teens and theZs and maybe the millennials
look at that and shrug theirshoulders and say if that's how
you feel about it, why do weeven want to try if things look
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futile?
So positivity not beingPollyanna necessarily, but
positivity there is a future,there are things to aim for and,
refreshingly what I findparticularly in that generation,
there's a real yearning to wantto have impact on society in
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some way, shape or form.
I hear so many say I don't wantto be stuck in an office
cubicle.
I want to be doing things thatare going to have impact on the
climate or hunger, or betteringthe lives of others, dealing
with poverty, different thingssuch as that.
So to feed that positive fuelthat is burning within them.
Daniela SM (17:05):
Yeah, interesting.
That says that everybody willbe fine, that things are always
challenging, but people alwaysfind ways of solving issues, and
they're different every time.
And that's life.
Kirk McCarley (17:16):
The world has always been a good and a bad
place.
It's no different now.
There are amazing things beingdone, but there are also some
things that make our heads spin.
Daniela SM (17:26):
Yes, I had a guest who says that life doesn't get
easy.
It gets interesting.
That's a good quote.
Kirk McCarley (17:33):
Along that same line and, speaking of coaching,
I like what somebody shared withme.
It was in order to beinteresting, be interested in
others.
Daniela SM (17:43):
Okay, so life doesn't get easy.
It gets interesting if youbecome interested in others.
Kirk McCarley (17:49):
Interested in others is a blessing because of
the stories that they have tobring and the knowledge that you
gain.
It's how I've got a book now.
It's just listening to whatothers have said and observing
what they've experienced, whatI've experienced, what people
have done.
It's fascinating.
Daniela SM (18:06):
But this is also a certain aid.
As you become older, if youwork on yourself, you become a
better listener, but when you'reyounger, you were just thinking
about you all the time, and soI think that you forget the
other people, unless you have avery superpower of empathy.
Kirk McCarley (18:24):
Me, me, me, me, and that can continue on.
I remember a talk and this isin my book that I was listening
to.
This was many years ago.
I was losing focus on what wasbeing talked about and so I
started examining myself why amI not interested?
And sort of asked myself, whyam I doing that?
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I started keeping a tallybecause one of the things I
noticed was the speaker wasusing a preponderance of the
first person pronoun.
A lot in the presentation, infact over a 15-minute sample
size that I tallied that on thefirst person pronoun, I, me, we
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was enunciated 126 times.
That comes out to once everyseven to eight seconds.
Now somebody was sitting nextto me, looked and asked me what
are you doing?
No-transcript, in order to beinteresting.
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So that insular thought thatit's all about me can sometimes
penetrate into our everydayconversations and makes the
distinction between perhapssomebody you want to be around
and listen to and someone elsethat you just assume not.
Daniela SM (20:06):
When you're telling a story, it's obviously your
story.
It is difficult to put somebodyelse besides I or me, but I
guess not to use it as much.
Is that what you're saying?
Kirk McCarley (20:15):
That's what I'm saying.
Keep it in my consciousness.
Daniela SM (20:17):
Yeah, similar to when you're doing a cover letter
.
I get a lot of hiring and I getto see those.
You can see the I's on thewhole page the most.
Kirk McCarley (20:27):
Recommendation.
Count them how many I's areyou's versus you's Y-O-U?
You can see what has been done,what the achievements have been
.
I've read and there's I, butI've read about your
organization and what you'vedone to create a great work
environment.
A work environment such as thatis rare, and you're to be
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commended for the steps you'vetaken, particularly with your
innovation, to cause thesethings to happen.
We all love to hear aboutourselves and you're just
playing right into that as anexample of how you would respond
in a cover letter or in aconversation.
Daniela SM (21:03):
Yes, the young people tend to say, oh, I don't
want to play the game.
And I always said it's not agame, it's a strategy.
Kirk McCarley (21:16):
Is there another word that you would use for
that?
I love games and I like thecompetition of it, and there are
so many different ways to playthe game.
You can play the game bybecoming unique and
differentiating yourself andbecoming noticed by maybe being
a little bit different.
Perhaps everybody in your groupis doing things one way.
What if you took the path ofleast resistance and approach
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things in an alternative method?
I used to coach people when wewere distributing paper resumes.
How about you send a purpleresume or green resume?
You may get thrown into a trashbox, but then again you may get
noticed and somebody's going toadmire you for the courage that
you had, for the gumption, forthe thinking.
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A little bit out of the box,you may get that job interview.
As I've interviewed peoplethroughout my career, which I
did a lot of in HR I wouldalways find that in the first
three to five minutes and manyinterviewers would agree with
this a decision is being made.
I either like the connectionI'm feeling with this individual
or I don't.
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What would really be unique tome is if I made that decision
within the first three to fiveminutes and after 25 or 30
minutes they said something thatwas unique, it was bold, it was
different, and I becamefascinated because they went
outside the normal pattern andit was oftentimes this is a
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person to bring into thisorganization because they're
going to add some value.
They're going to add somediversity, some uniqueness, some
different ideas, and that'spart of what makes a synergetic
team.
Daniela SM (22:55):
Question about leadership.
So have you seen a change sinceyou were a young employee to
now?
Kirk McCarley (23:03):
I would like to think it has.
I think there's a greaterpropensity of awareness.
Women in the workplace 45 yearsago, almost now, there were
women that were in workenvironment, but not in
leadership roles so much.
It was administrative roles,maybe office roles.
Now we see so many women thatare leading organizations.
(23:25):
With that.
I think that's been wonderful,not only for diversity but
different viewpoints, differentperspectives.
The other thing, more recently,particularly post-COVID and
during COVID, is remote work andthe old school concern is how
am I going to know if thisperson's doing their work?
(23:46):
We've had to shift the way wemeasure that.
It's also interesting we talkabout reading staff is how some
individuals miss that connectionthat live that in-person.
So how can we balance that out?
So you'll have hybrid jobswhere you come into the office
twice a week, work from home twoor three days a week, whatever
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the case may be on that, to kindof get that connection balance
that goes with it.
So a lot of leadershipadjustments, a lot of focusing
more on the whole person versusjust what they are in the work
environment, because most oflife occurs outside of work.
It still does.
Daniela SM (24:31):
Yeah, thank you for that summary.
In the past you need a managerto manage, but now the people
are working remotely.
You don't need a manager, youneed leadership.
People should move frommanaging and controlling to a
more of a leadership approach.
Kirk McCarley (24:45):
For some people it's hard to make that
distinction.
I'm managing well, which meansI know what the rules and the
procedures are.
I know how to get this productdone.
I've been doing it for yearsand years and I do everything
according to the book.
The leader understands the book, but also how big their box is
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within that.
In other words, how can I getthe same or better productivity
out of this individual bythinking outside the box a
little bit, by giving them somedifferent assignments to
diversify their work, to make itmore interesting to them, to
enrich their jobs, to broadentheir experience and to build
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them up to where they can be afuture leader in the
organization.
So succession planning becomesso important.
Who is going to replace me?
And not so much I'm threatenedif I develop this person because
they may be getting better thanI am, but rather what kind of
an asset can they be that I canmove on and promote?
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They may even become my bosssomeday, but when they do become
my boss, remember how well Itreated you on the way up.
Remember me too.
So it becomes very fluid inthat realm.
Daniela SM (26:04):
Hopefully, hopefully .
You talk about remote working,but a lot of companies are
taking away that, which I don'tknow.
I thought we were movingforward and it seems that it's
not happening.
Kirk McCarley (26:14):
In some organizations that is the case,
many of those.
There is a reason for that.
We need to be able to respondto our customers in person
because they crave that and themission is still, or should be,
oriented towards an optimumbalance between meeting employee
needs and meeting customerneeds, and hopefully both of
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them are in congruence often alot of the time.
So it can be driven by that.
Sometimes there's still themanager mentality that kicks in.
I can't see what they're doing.
I need them to be here to watchthem.
But again, where a job lendsitself to being remote, data
input that goes into it oranalytical work, it would seem
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counterintuitive to allow themto continue to work in that kind
of a frame.
I do talk to some remoteworkers that actually miss the
office environment to have thatphysical presence, if you will.
So it's finding that balance.
Daniela SM (27:16):
Yes, for me it's good.
I work two days from home,three at the office, so it's a
balance.
I get really busy in the office, so the times that I'm at home
I'm going to recharge for thenext day to be even stronger.
Well, I know that when I wasdoing it for five days, I was
depleted by the third day.
Kirk McCarley (27:33):
If I may share kind of an exaggerated example
of that.
I was in Champaign, illinois,this past weekend working a
football game Kansas versusIllinois and so I was there.
I was present Three years ago,right after COVID.
Many of the broadcasts thatwere being done in sports were
being done remotely, so I wasobserving the game on Zoom, just
(27:58):
as you and I are talking rightnow.
I could see everyone else thatwas on the broadcast crew that
was in a Zoom box similar towhat we're in.
You would lose the atmosphereand the flavor and the feel for
where you were because you wereindoors, you were in an
insulated environment.
(28:18):
You're also subject to havingan accurate connection and if
the connection goes down you'resunk for who knows how long.
But to be in an environmentsuch as we were in on Saturday
night, where you hear the crowd,you see the crowd, you smell
the environment, you feel thecoolness in the air, you smell
(28:41):
the popcorn there's something tobe said for that.
So people ask do you preferworking remote?
In some ways I do.
I don't have to get on anairplane and travel someplace.
I can sleep in my own bed.
It's less time consuming.
But there's nothing like beinglive for an event and feeling
(29:03):
all those senses at work.
Daniela SM (29:05):
Of course.
It's like when you had meetingswith your friend over Zoom.
That was silly.
You need the connection, ofcourse.
Yeah, yeah, that's like whenyou had meetings with your
friend over Zoom.
That was silly.
You need the connection, ofcourse.
Yeah, yeah, that's a greatexample.
So we know that you are movingforward with a book, that you
are continuing coaching peopleand you are giving classes.
You're still a spinninginstructor, anything else.
Kirk McCarley (29:23):
Still a spinning instructor.
I had a class this morningStill doing that in Destin
Florida this morning, Stilldoing that in Destin Florida.
The book will have come out infall of 2024.
Great present in January forValentine's Day, or something
(29:45):
for graduation for someone who'sgetting out of college, one of
your kids, to go on and bone upon some things that may be
helpful for them.
What is the title?
Thoughts for my Kids and OtherPeople's Kids my two kids, my
six grandkids, but we're allother people's kids too.
So it's a book for any of usbetween, as the Fort Worth Zoo
(30:07):
sign used to say, fun for agesfour to 84.
This book is for everyone.
Daniela SM (30:14):
Oh wow, excellent, Excellent, all right, so we will
put that in the show notes andalso your link for your website,
how to find you and how to getin touch with you.
You have Instagram and LinkedIn.
Kirk McCarley (30:26):
I've got a LinkedIn, I've got a Facebook,
so I can be reached on that.
Kirk McCarley, perfect Love tohear from some of y'all that
have listened in today.
Daniela SM (30:35):
All right, wonderful .
Thank you so much for theconversation and your story.
Kirk McCarley (30:39):
Thank you, daniela, it was my joy to be
with you.
Thank you.
Daniela SM (30:42):
I hope you enjoyed today's episode.
I am Daniela and you arelistening to, because Everyone
has a Story.
Please take five seconds rightnow and think of somebody in
your life that may enjoy whatyou just heard, or someone that
has a story to be shared andpreserved.
When you think of that person,shoot them a text with the link
(31:02):
of this podcast.
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