September 16, 2024 • 42 mins
Have you ever felt like you're drowning in your success?
After more than a decade of relentless work, Hannah found herself in the depths of burnout. In her candid and inspiring narrative, Hannah shares how she transitioned from overwhelming exhaustion to a balanced life brimming with energy and purpose. Discover how recognizing the early, stealthy signs of burnout—like irritability and anxiety—can be a game-changer in reclaiming your well-being.
Hannah Tackett is a software design manager turned burnout coach.
Her journey didn't stop at recognizing burnout; she completely transformed her approach to work-life balance. By seeking support from health professionals and pursuing further health coaching and psychology education, Hannah identified the five success traps contributing to her burnout: people-pleasing, perfectionism, overextending, overachieving, and the fear of saying no. Through her story, you learn how prioritizing self-care, setting clear boundaries, and saying no to non-essential commitments can lead to greater efficiency and a more fulfilling life.
Hannah also moved closer to nature, which played a crucial role in her recovery, showing how aligning personal passions with lifestyle can recharge one's energy and improve well-being.
Below are the seven actionable tips designed to empower you on your journey toward success and well-being.
Let's enjoy her story!
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Daniela SM (00:01):
Hi, I'm Daniela.
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story and relate becauseeveryone has a story.
Welcome.
My guest is Hannah Tackett, aformer software design manager
turned burnout coach.
After over a decade of hardwork, hannah hit burnout and she
shares her honest and inspiringstory how she went from
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exhaustion to living a balancedlife full of energy and purpose.
She shows how spotting theearly signs of burnout, like
irritability and anxiety, canhelp you regain control of
well-being.
Hannah didn't just recognizeburnout.
She completely changed herapproach to life.
With help from healthprofessionals and further health
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coaching and psychology studies, she uncovered the five traps
of success.
Her story teaches how self-care, setting boundaries and
learning to say no can make lifemore fulfilling.
It was wonderful having her onthe show and look on the show
notes for the link to the sevenpractical tips to find your
balance and success, and keep aneye, because soon she's
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starting her own podcast.
So let's enjoy her story.
Welcome, hannah, to the show.
Thank you so happy to be here.
Yes, I am excited, too, thatyou are here to share a story.
And, Hannah, why do you want toshare your story?
Hannah Tackett (01:39):
I just think it's so important to talk about
the journey to burnout and theexperience of burnout because I
have spoken with so many highachieving women that didn't even
realize that they were on thepath to burnout until it was too
late.
So I just think it's soimportant to get the message out
.
Daniela SM (01:54):
Yes, you're right, and the only way to learn about
it is hearing other people'sstories, because otherwise you
wouldn't know what that meansreally.
When does your story start?
Hannah Tackett (02:04):
Goodness, I would say about five years ago.
Well, that's where the bigpivot was, where it starts,
probably, like I don't know myteens, but we'll pick it up
about five years ago.
Essentially, at that point, I'dbeen working in tech for 11
years, 12 years.
I hit a wall.
I was so exhausted I could notget out of bed and I couldn't
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get out of bed for months.
So I was just flat on my back,useless, and it terrified me.
It really frightened me becauseat this point in my life, I had
worked so hard to get into thiscareer.
I had very young children thatI'm responsible for, I'm married
, I have this beautiful life,basically that I had invested so
much into building there.
It wasn't bad not investing init, not showing up for it and it
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really frightened me because Iwanted to show up for my kids.
There was a certain way I wantedto be a mom and passed out in
bed, is not it?
I was afraid of losing my job.
I'm like someone's going tonotice I'm not performing.
I just felt like I had a lot onthe line and a lot of things
that I truly cared about on theline.
I just felt like I had a lot onthe line and a lot of things
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that I truly cared about on theline, and so when that happened,
I prioritized my recovery.
I was like I am going to fixthis, I'm going to get my energy
back, I am never going to burnout again, and that became my
highest priority, whereas beforeI don't think I had a clear
priority, I was just trying todo everything.
And so when I made that shift,it really.
It shifted the way I approachedlife.
It shifted how I showed up andmy recovery journey took a while
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and I learned a lot, but that'sessentially like that.
That was like the pivot pointwhen things changed.
Daniela SM (03:37):
So you were going to work every day and family and
marriage, and then suddenly yougot sick.
You wouldn't go to work fordays.
Hannah Tackett (03:45):
Well, in marriage, and then suddenly you
got sick, you wouldn't go towork for days.
Well, fortunately I had someflexibility, so I was working
from home, so I was able to,like you know, laptop next to me
showing up, sort of, but Iwasn't producing and, yes, and
up to that point, most of mycareer I was working in the
office, which was frankly awful.
And you know, I've got thebabies at home and the husband
and like the never ending, andyou know I've got the babies at
home and the husband and likethe never ending job of being a
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mother of young children.
And I never changed or adjustedthe way I approach life.
You know, after having kids, Iwas just always on, you know,
full steam ahead, leaning in atall times, picked up everything,
did everyone else's job forthem, and I didn't realize I was
going to burnout.
And that's kind of where Ithink this conversation is so
important, because there are somany red flags along the way, so
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many opportunities to turn itaround before it affects your
performance, before it affectsyour ability to show up.
Daniela SM (04:35):
You didn't know, we didn't know what the burnout.
I still don't know what burnout, what level that means.
You know, like I was alsoworking, having the kids,
marriage, and so now the kid,you know they're grown up.
You know I'm similar to you,like I don't wake up in the
morning with that enthusiasm asI used to, but I don't know what
is burnout.
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I only feel like I feel likeI'm dying inside.
Hannah Tackett (05:01):
That's, that's part of it.
So burning out it's not, youknow, a diagnosis, it's a look,
quote, a quote realism.
And so essentially it's not asudden crash, it's really a
silent buildup of stress overtime and it sneaks up on us.
And I like to think of it as,like there's three stages to
this.
You know, build up and thefirst stage is like that
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stealthy stress stage that Ithink most of us are
experiencing here or thereanyways, and it begins to
accumulate unnoticed and startsto affect our daily life in
subtle ways.
So maybe we're starting to feela little bit more irritable,
maybe we're being short with ourkids, maybe we're having some
anxiety and we're worried aboutthe future, perhaps struggling
with sleep or dealing withinsomnia, maybe we're having
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some poor concentration or brainfog, having difficulty focusing
, perhaps some tummy troubles,headaches and migraines.
Another one that people don'tthink about is like the
self-criticism, because asyou're still feeling that stress
mounting, you start to becomesomewhat critical of yourself
and that tends to add to thatpile of stress.
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And so that's that first stage,that stealthy stress.
And if the stress and the waywe're showing up in the world
and showing up for our careersand showing up for our families
isn't addressed, that can turninto the second stage, which I
think of as emotional erosion,and that's where that increasing
emotional exhaustion leads tocynicism, dread, detachment from
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work and personal life, wherewe start to feel cynical towards
work.
Maybe we're having the Sundayscaries where you know we're
afraid, you know Sunday we startfeeling anxious and dreading
going back to the office onMonday.
I know when I experienced myburnout I had the Sunday scaries
, but mine would start on Fridayafternoon around 3 PM while I
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was still in the office, andaround 3 PM would come around
and I would just feel like mysoul was dropping out of my body
because I knew I had to comeback on Monday and I did not
want to and it would taint myentire weekend because that
dread just sat in the bottom ofmy gut the entire time because I
was so unhappy and I just didnot want to go back.
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Some people feel detached, likethey just stop caring or like
they feel resentful, like workis just this endless hamster
wheel of grind and many peoplestart having fantasies of
quitting.
I know I certainly did.
I think like the more mildemotional symptom that we can,
it's more easy to tune into, isresentment.
So if you're starting to likeresent your boss, resent your
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job, resent your husband, resentyour schedule, resent all of
the obligations that are on yourplate, that is a big red flag.
It's like, hey, it's time tochange how we're doing things.
It's time to change how we'reshowing up.
If we don't change things, ifwe don't adjust how we're
relating to work, it can turninto that third stage of burnout
which is, I think, whateveryone thinks of when they
think of burnout, which is thatperformance paralysis.
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In my experience it was.
I was in bed and couldn't getup.
I went to the doctors and had abunch of tests done and all the
tests said I was fine.
There was nothing actuallywrong with me other than that I
couldn't get out of bed, I wasjust completely fried.
But I've spoken with womenwhere one woman that I worked
with ended up in the ER.
Another woman it wasn't so muchthat her body shut down on her
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completely, it was that shestopped being able to do her job
.
So she was showing up but shewasn't getting anything done.
She'd sit there for hours andget so little done and then she
ended up being put on aperformance review and she was
like, you know, up until thatpoint, her entire life she was a
top performer and suddenly she,you know, she hit this wall
where she just couldn't getthings done.
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It was like she was trying topush through a fog is how she
described it that third stagethat people call burnout.
It really there's a lot leadingup to that.
There's a lot of opportunitiesto change how we're doing things
and prevent that from happening.
And it does look different fordifferent people.
It has different faces to it.
Daniela SM (08:53):
Huh, how interesting , how interesting.
I feel like I've been on oneand two for a long time.
I felt somehow that I kind ofI'm trapped and I'm fighting,
fighting and fighting.
That's the only thing that Icould relate, that I was like.
I just feel like I'm fighting.
Obviously, I don't feel likeyou knew all this until it
happened.
So how do you learn aboutputting words and explaining
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these so well?
Hannah Tackett (09:17):
Right.
So this happened, you know,five, six years ago, when I made
that decision to prioritizemyself, prioritize health, and
that kicked off an entirejourney, or a discovery.
And you know, I hired healthcoaches, I went to chiropractors
, I went to acupuncturists, Iwent to coaching school to
become a health coach.
I studied the psychology behindthings.
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I read a hundred books.
You know like I dove deep, I waskind of it became an obsession
where I, just because I'd burnedout before like that was not my
first time burning out, it wasjust I decided that was the last
time I was going to burn out.
And so I studied, I learned, Italked to many, many people and
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I reached out to many differentkinds of professionals to get
help for myself.
And in the process I began tounderstand the stress cycle and
what chronic stress actuallydoes to our bodies and our minds
and our spirits, how thatreally is what burnout is.
It's an expression of thatchronic stress and how there's
some of us have this way offalling.
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I call it like the five successtraps, like there's these
behaviors that we have that havedriven us to success, but those
same behaviors can also driveus to burnout.
And that's when I was like, oh,these are the people I want to
help, you know.
I think I had all of those Ifell into all of those success
traps.
So the first one is you knowthe people pleasing, you know so
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.
We were trying to keep our bosshappy, we're trying to keep our
kids happy, we're trying tokeep our spouse happy, we want
to keep our team happy, we wanteverybody to be fine, right.
So we just extend, extend,extend ourselves, try to keep
everybody else happy, butinevitably we're kind of
forgetting about our own needs.
People pleasing can definitelylead to success.
Right, you meet the rightpeople, happy they
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People-pleasing can definitelylead to success.
Right, you meet the rightpeople happy, they're going to
promote you, they're going togive you more opportunities.
But if it's out of balance orif it's like rooted in fear and
I think fear is a big topic itcan drive you to burnout, fear
of what?
The fears that tend to drivethese success traps, the, you
know, the people-pleasingperfectionism, the overextending
or helping overachieving thefear of saying no, or helping
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overachieving the fear of sayingno.
So the fear behind those, mostof the fears come down to a fear
of not being worthy.
So there's the fear of notbeing worthy, there's the fear
of scarcity.
So maybe you grew up in like Iknow in my case my parents were
not wealthy, so I definitelygrew up with a mindset like
there's not enough.
I'm going to have to workreally, really, really hard all
the time to make enough money tosurvive.
So you get the survivalmentality.
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Sometimes there's a fear ofrejection or in the work world
it's maybe a fear of job lossand I know in my career I saw
thousands of people laid off ina single day and it definitely
put in addition to my scarcitythinking.
It put that additional fear inthere like I could lose my job,
like if I'm not overachieving,if I'm not extending myself and
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doing everyone else's job forthem, like I'll be the next one
laid off.
So all these fears you know youdon't have to have all the
fears, but sometimes they pileup and they drive those
behaviors that perfectionism,that overextending and picking
up other people's problems andresponsibilities, or that being
the nice girl being afraid ofsaying no or just not knowing
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how to say no.
I know when I was working a lotof things would end up on my
plate.
I would get triple booked allday long in calls and I never
turned down anything.
I just didn't realize I could.
Part of it was I didn't realizeI could.
The other part of it was I wasafraid if I said no to something
that I would be laid off.
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I'd be the next one, you know,with my head on the block.
So those are like the fearsthat I think drive the behaviors
that can contribute to burningout.
Daniela SM (13:00):
This is fascinating.
My question still is you werelying in bed.
What gave you the strength tosay I'm going to change this?
Hannah Tackett (13:10):
I think it really came down to I love my
kids.
I refused to fail as a mom.
I wanted to be there for them.
I wanted to be emotionallyengaged and not just like a rag
doll, which is how I felt.
I didn't want to just meettheir physical needs, I wanted
to be mentally and emotionallypresent.
And I was tapped out.
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I felt like I had nothing leftto give.
And that had to change.
And it had to change in a waywhere I wasn't unemployed, like
I couldn't burn down my careerand go churn butter in the woods
.
I had responsibilities, I hadbills to pay, I'm a breadwinner.
I can't just quit.
So I had to find a way to solveit that didn't involve a
two-year sabbatical, that didn'tinvolve quitting my job or, you
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know, taking a lower-paying jobthat was less stressful, like I
had to solve it in the contextthat I was in.
Daniela SM (13:59):
Yes, but that means that.
Hannah Tackett (14:08):
It is surprisingly counterintuitive
the process that I went through,which took a while, but what
I've learned is that byprioritizing your own care and
by prioritizing white space ormargin in your life, you end up
being much more efficient.
So by doing less, you end updoing more, better, you're not
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as busy, but you're much moreproductive, much more strategic.
In the process of this recovery, I learned how to say no.
So I'm turning down work, I'mcommunicating with my boss and
my team about what I'm going todo and what I'm not going to do,
and when things are going tohappen, and my fear that I had
to just rewrite essentially torewrite the fear that I'd be
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laid off, and then I had toaccept that I'm going to be okay
and I have to do this to beable to show up for my kids.
So when I learned how to say no, when I learned how to ask for
what I really wanted and say noto the things that weren't
serving me or weren't servingthe team, and be able to
negotiate for timelines andnegotiate for more resources, I
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did not get laid off.
I got promoted.
So by doing less, by holdingspace for myself, finding my
voice and being vocal about whatis okay and what is not okay in
my world.
What I'm willing to accept ornot accelerated my career.
It had the exact oppositeeffect of what I was afraid of
Interesting?
Daniela SM (15:36):
Yeah, because people will respect you more, because
you can say no, it's true, youdon't have to work harder, you
just have to be efficient, andso you create a more white space
for yourself, something thatyou didn't have before.
Exactly.
Hannah Tackett (15:49):
Yes, and the first thing I well, I don't know
what the first thing I did was,but one of the things that I've
done is, you know, I mentionedmy calendar was always, you know
, triple booked.
It's always full, and I justopen it up in the morning and
just feel so much anxiety.
So I started declining meetingsand then people would come up
and be like, why aren't yougoing to be in this call?
I'm like because I'm alreadybooked.
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You know, let's, let's discusswhat matters most, let's
prioritize, let's have theseconversations.
And so I would decline meetings.
I started taking lunches offthe entire hour and I would
leave the building, go for awalk, and I started leaving at
four so that I could pick up mykids and spend time with them at
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home.
So I dramatically cut my hoursand what happened was I had a
lot of good conversations withpeople who wanted work done and
when I explained like well, Ican do this much and I can do
this much.
Well, if you want X, Y and Zdone, then we either need a
longer timeline or more people,because we're understaffed and
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I'm done compensating for it.
I didn't say that part, butthat in my mind.
I was like I'm done,compensating for the fact that
we are understaffed.
So this is what we need to getthe job done.
So they gave me what we need.
They gave me people, so I endedup getting a team.
So, yeah, so it's.
It worked out really well, likefinding the boundaries, finding
my voice, being able to expresswhat I wanted and what I didn't
want, but within the context ofmeeting everyone's needs.
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I wasn't going around flippingpeople off, saying I'm not going
to do my job anymore.
It wasn't that at all.
It was like you want all ofthis done, this massive pile of
work?
Here's how we could do it on anextended timeframe.
Here's how we could do it ifyou added two or three more
people.
Which one would you like to do?
Daniela SM (17:31):
But you read about this, how to do it, or just you
woke up one day and came up withall these good ideas.
Hannah Tackett (17:37):
Oh, I'm constantly reading.
Okay, yes, so I definitely readhow to Negotiate, I read about
boundaries.
I read books on codependency.
I read books on stress andchronic stress.
I read books on holistic healthhealth, read books on
communication Like I'm always,my head is always in books, so
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I'd read a ton and I would justtake bits and pieces of what
I've learned and try them.
You know, my life is theexperiment.
I'm going to try it out.
And at the same time, I wasworking with people, like I
worked with a health coach,because I thought, well, maybe a
health coach can help me get myenergy back, maybe my
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acupuncturist, maybe mychiropractor, maybe my Algosia
therapist.
So I talked to a lot ofprofessionals over the years and
learned from them and pieces ofthis and pieces of that ended
up coming together to being aholistic solution that, for me,
ended the burnout and paved theway for me to prevent burnout
from happening again and helpothers to do the same.
Daniela SM (18:36):
And Hannah, do you feel that this is also part of
people's personality, Like, haveyou met people that are in the
same boat as you, however, andthey have read books?
However, they don't know how toapply it.
Hannah Tackett (18:50):
Yeah, so one of my clients I don't know if I'd
call it personality, becausethat implies like it's permanent
or like it's ingrained in us.
It's more like a learnedbehavior or a pattern or a story
that you believe in.
So, yeah, so one of my clients,like she'd been to therapists,
she'd taken sabbaticals, sheeven switched jobs, she switched
companies, she tried everything, she switched companies, she
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tried everything and she wasstill dreading her job every
single day.
And she was the one that Imentioned ended up on a
performance review because shewent from being a top performer
to being barely able to getthrough the day.
And so we went through thisprocess that I've put together I
call it the peace method andwithin less than 90 days, she
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was waking up excited in themorning.
She felt like she had a clearvision for her future.
She was showing up to work, shewas showing up for a personal
life, she was having thingsshift with her relationship with
her children that she wasn'teven expecting.
So it is completely possible,like, even if you're stuck, even
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if you've done a ton of things,to try and turn around, for
yourself to actually, like, getover the hump.
And I think that working withothers because sometimes, like
you know, if it's on, if there'slike a speck of dirt on your
nose like you can't necessarilysee it, it's too close.
So you need a mirror or anotherperson to kind of give you the
feedback as you're going, and Ithink that's kind of like a
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critical aspect of it.
Daniela SM (20:17):
She did all the book and everything, but she needed
somebody to like a coach,somebody to help her Essentially
.
Hannah Tackett (20:23):
Yeah, and I think it's also the method, like
the method that I'd puttogether, because she's done it.
She'd been to therapists, and Idon't think this is a
replacement for therapy.
I'm a huge fan of therapy.
This She'd been to therapistsand I don't think this is a
replacement for therapy.
I'm a huge fan of therapy.
This is one of those things.
If you're in therapy and youwant to do this kind of coaching
, it's in addition to, not areplacement of.
I just want to make that superclear.
But she still hadn't resolvedher dread, she hadn't found her
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path forward.
Daniela SM (20:47):
Yeah, how interesting.
Because it's true, people canread a lot and they still don't
apply it.
It is not that easy.
You have to have thatcapability of whatever you read,
you applied.
So you were working, you gotpromoted, you feel that you were
having a better relationshipwithin your family.
Hannah Tackett (21:05):
And then what happened?
Right?
So what happened was I keptfollowing this path right, and
so one of the keys that I thinkis surprising to ending burnout
is authenticity and steppinginto alignment with your own
values.
And so, on this journey, I wasbecoming more and more clear
about what my values wereObvious to me and even initially
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, was like it's valuable to meto be able to spend time with my
children.
Another value that I had ignoredfor years, years, was my love
of nature.
So I'd been working in tech,I'd been sitting in a car doing
90-minute commutes, I'd beensitting in office buildings a
lot of sitting, so a lot ofsitting.
I was not able to get out innature because I worked so much,
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and when I wasn't working, Iwas taking care of my children
and I lived in a city.
It was like really hard to getany kind of nature in my life,
and so I made the decision likeI need to be in trees, I need to
be able to go walking in theforest often, like multiple
times a week.
This matters, whereas before,before, I realized like being
true to my own values beingauthentic, I didn't think it was
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that important, right.
I thought making my husbandhappy, making my kids happy,
making my boss happy, making alot of money.
Those were the things that wereimportant.
But when I burned out and I goton this path of healing, I
realized actually honoring mytrue self and honoring what
inspires and matters to me iswhat's important and nature
matters to me, right, it doesn'thave to matter to everyone.
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What's important and naturematters to me, right.
It doesn't have to matter toeveryone, but it matters to me.
So I started the process ofmoving across the state.
So I moved from an urban centerto a forest, essentially, and I
made that happen by negotiatingwith my job and I was like I
would like to move here in themiddle of a forest and I'd like
to work remote, full-time.
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And they said okay, and what'scrazy was I wanted to do that
for eight months before I asked.
It took me eight months to getthe courage to ask and I asked
and it was an immediate yes.
Why did I wait so long?
So my family and I moved.
We are now close to nature.
You could hear it.
Family and I moved.
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We are now close to nature.
You could hear it.
And so now I am able to havethat aspect of life, things that
are valuable to me, where I'mable to move every single day.
I'm able to go out and get intoa forest and go hiking four
minutes from my house, and thatfills my cup.
And there's a really importantconcept here where when you're
doing things that matter to you,you're filling your cup with
energy.
You're like recharging thebattery.
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So imagine you're a battery.
Doing those things refills yourbattery.
And when you show up for otheractivities, when I go to work or
take care of my kids, Iactually have something to give.
I have a lot to give.
I'm empowered, I'm alive, Ifeel great.
And for me it was nature and oneof my clients it was knitting.
She wanted to knit, but shestopped knitting because she
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felt bad about the time right,it was a waste of time and she
had to spend all of her timeeither working or cleaning her
house.
That's what she got on her head.
And so when she startedprioritizing knitting and adding
craft back into her life likeeven while she's on calls, doing
a little bit of knitting inbetween calls, just a little bit
of here and there she noticed adramatic difference in how she
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felt and how much energy she hadand how much clarity she had
for what she wanted to do nextor where she wanted her career
to go.
So I think that a lot of us losepieces of ourselves along the
way because we pick upexpectations like all the
shoulds.
I should behave this way atwork.
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I need to act like that personat work to be successful.
I need to succeed like thatperson over there, because we
get an idea like I want this.
In my case, I wanted to make acertain amount of money so that
I could afford a certainlifestyle for my family and I
thought I had to do it a certainway.
I had to do a certain way.
I had to do it like I saw otherpeople doing it, and that
wasn't necessarily the case.
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I could do it my own way, andwhen I embraced that, I started
making even more money and I wasmuch happier.
I think they trickle over intomy personal life too being able
to delegate matters at work,matters at home, being able to
train someone else to supportyour vision in the office you
can do that at home too.
So I feel like these skills areuniversal, even if the way you
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do it like the way you're goingto train a five-year-old to
clean up their room is going tobe different than the way you
train your employee to do theirjob, but the principles behind
them are the same.
Daniela SM (25:31):
Yes, but how did you manage to move?
Just, your husband was okay,working from home or something,
he had no issues.
Hannah Tackett (25:38):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
No, he thought he was on boardbecause he was also not getting
out as much as he wanted.
He wants to be able to gomountain biking every day and he
wasn't able to do it from wherewe lived.
So we were aligned likecompletely aligned on moving and
did a lot of research, a lot oflooking at different
communities, before picking theright one for us, for our family
(25:59):
, because it was more than justnature, right, we also wanted a
little bit more of a smallishtown community feel for the kids
and good schools and you know,the normal stuff people are
looking for.
Daniela SM (26:09):
Yes.
And then your husband.
Did he notice that you wereburnt out?
What was the support that heoffered you?
Hannah Tackett (26:14):
I think it freaked him out.
I mean we had babies, right,little little little ones.
So I think it frightened himand I think he felt like he has
to do more.
I turned it around so I mean itworked out.
But yeah, he was concerned andhe did step up quite a bit and
help with the kids.
Daniela SM (26:29):
You said there were babies who could have had the
blues as well.
Hannah Tackett (26:33):
The baby blues.
It could have been.
It could have been, except forI had had postpartum depression
when I was a first child, anddid not prevent like being
treated for that did not preventburnout.
I still ended up burning out.
I don't necessarily think thatdepression and burnout are the
same thing.
I think they can be correlated.
I think you can have them bothat the same time.
But burning out is a responseto cumulative stress.
Daniela SM (26:56):
Yes, interesting Wow you moved to another city.
Hannah Tackett (26:57):
What happened next?
Well, next, within a few monthsof moving, I got an offer from
what is essentially a dream job.
So I switched companies.
The new company is amazing,like the best culture ever.
It was like a magic, magicaloccurrence.
Not only was I able to stand upfor myself, but now I'm in a
company that supports that andencourages work-life balance.
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It all ended up working outjust beautifully, beautifully.
So I ended up you know this newcompany doing great in the new
city.
It was during COVID, so I haveto say that was hard moving
during the shutdowns becausepeople were super weird and no
one was friendly.
Like it was the most unfriendlystart in a new city you could
imagine.
So it took years for us to likeget to know people.
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But I think that that's common,Like if anyone moved during
that time period.
I'm sure that there's somerelatability there.
It was not a good time but inspite of that, I had other good
things going on in my life witha new job and just being able to
go hiking was beautiful.
And then I started helpingpeople.
But I realized like I got thisnew job.
I started going to conferenceswhen things started opening up
again and talking to a lot ofwomen and realizing this isn't
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just a me problem, Like thereare so many women and I was
thinking just in tech, right,Because that's the world I was
in so many women are struggling,struggling deeply with burnout,
and I think the COVID situationaccelerated that for a lot of
people because of the isolationwhich is a stress causing
situation.
And so I met so many women whowere struggling on their path to
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burnout, women who burnt out,women who were trying to recover
from burning out.
I talked to women who had quittheir jobs, like walked away
from you know a half a milliondollars a year, left all of
their RSUs behind and were inthe process of recovering.
And this particular individual,like she, was in her third year
of living off of savings,trying to get better.
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That's expensive, and I waslike this is wrong.
This is wrong.
I mean, it's hard enough forwomen to be in the workplace to
begin with, but then to havewomen dropping off like this and
exiting the workplace becauseof because they're fried and
they don't have the tools andthe support that they need to
recover and come back stronger,is a crime.
(29:07):
So I started working with womenindividually and now in a group
program where I walk everyonethrough the steps to ending
burnout and making sure thatdoes not happen again.
Daniela SM (29:16):
Wow, that's incredible, because you said
also that you took a courseabout coaching.
Hannah Tackett (29:20):
Yeah, yeah, so I did.
I did get certified to be ahealth and life coach, like in
on my journey.
Daniela SM (29:26):
Yes, During on this journey.
Okay, okay, and so you knewthat this is something that you
were interested in, in doing.
Hannah Tackett (29:33):
Yes, I've always been interested in in
helping others.
I've always been passionateabout health and this was just
kind of like another aspect toit.
And I do love to help others,even in my professional world,
like, yes, I'm a softwaredesigner, but ultimately I'm
there to help my team.
It plays to my passions forsure.
Daniela SM (29:49):
Well, you seem like a beautiful person that is calm,
that you know always think thatyou care about other people's
anyway, so it sounds like thecoaching suits you really well.
Hannah Tackett (30:00):
Yeah, it's been very fulfilling, very fun and
just beautiful to watch otherswho've been struggling with
these things turn it around.
Daniela SM (30:08):
And are you helping people from your office or is
just always people from theoutside?
Hannah Tackett (30:12):
Like people I've known on my career path,
but also people that I'm meetingonline or from podcasting or
you know wherever they're comingin, or referrals, so it's a
variety of women from all over.
Daniela SM (30:24):
You know we always need help in talking to somebody
who could understand and relateto what's happening.
So that's very important thatyou took this path, because I
think it's helping a lot ofpeople and your story is somehow
relatable.
Even though I didn't get tostage three I think I've been to
one and two.
Knowing this, I think that I'velearned about me and so I know
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exactly that.
Okay, like this week, forexample, I have a lot of
appointments and I'm like okay,I can do this, and so I'm
prepared.
It's going to be a busy weekend.
In high school and even incollege, one of the subjects
should be learn about yourself,not only personality tests, but
what are the values, and youknow those values will change.
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If I don't know a better world,we will all be stronger.
Hannah Tackett (31:11):
Absolutely Like knowing yourself and listening
to, like people call itintuition, or like your gut
wisdom is so important tofeeling satisfied.
Like we can be successful, likeon paper, and feel miserable if
we are successful in a way thatwe're fulfilling someone else's
definition right, but when weare fulfilling our own
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definition of success in the waythat we want to, that is in
alignment with our values, likethat is fulfilling.
There's this myth that humanproductivity is linear and that
more is more, whereas humanproductivity is really more like
a tide, so there's like an ebband a flow to it.
And so when we lean in, youknow we're pushing, we're on,
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we're going, we're striving, andthat's wonderful, but at the
same time we need to be able tolean out with just as much
intention.
Daniela SM (32:06):
You know I had this lady that I actually post in her
episode soon.
She also got burnt out.
She had numerous kids and shewas in.
She called it in the corporateAmerica successful.
She says that she's teachingher kids what do you want to be
when you grow up?
Like you know, what kind ofcareer is the most important
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thing versus what kind of persondo you want to be when you grow
up?
And so she's constantly askingthat to their kids and I feel
that that's a bit of the workthat we can start focusing as
parents for our kids, to helpthem focus on the right thing
versus on the career, on thetitles and more of a, what kind
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of person is it that you knowyou want to be when you grow up?
Hannah Tackett (32:51):
Exactly, and you can have both if that is in
alignment with your values.
I love that because I feel,like so many, especially like
the women that I work with andmyself in my past, like such an
overachiever, like there wasalways a thing to do.
I was always achieving, alwayschecking the next box, always
doing something, with no time inmy life to be to exist.
(33:13):
You know so that that whitespace in life where you're just
being a human and we don'tprioritize that, we don't think
it's important culturally, likeif you're living in a world
where hustle culture is kind ofon a pedestal, but that time
where you're just being, whereyou're just existing as a human
is so critical and it's just asimportant as achieving.
Yes, that's true.
(33:34):
How old are your kids?
I have a six-year-old and anine-year-old.
Daniela SM (33:39):
How old are your kids?
I have a six-year-old and anine-year-old, okay, so are you
working with them about teachingthem this that you learned?
Hannah Tackett (33:48):
already Sort of they're not workaholics.
So I'm hoping that by example,they learn not to be workaholics
, who we are and how we treatothers, like being kind not just
to others, but being kind toourselves, being loving towards
others and loving ourselves.
So I always like reflected backto them like you're not
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supposed to sacrifice your soulon behalf of others.
Honor who you are, get to knowwho you are and what you love,
and express that.
Be able to ask for what youwant, be able to receive what
you need.
So so, yeah, so those thingsare definitely ingrained in how
I'm raising them and how I'mteaching them so they know to
pursue what they love, they knowto ask for what they want, they
know to respect others but alsorespect themselves as, like,
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the baseline, and are youteaching them how to say no?
Daniela SM (34:36):
No, they know already how to say no, they
don't need to be taught how tosay no.
Hannah Tackett (34:42):
They don't even know how to say no Exactly.
Daniela SM (34:44):
Especially when they're four.
They're actually very good atsaying no to everything
Wonderful and, besides being acoach, do a blog or have you?
You have something else thatyou share with people.
Hannah Tackett (34:56):
So yeah.
So I put together a kind of acheat sheet on how to become
less busy.
So if you're feelingoverwhelmed, if you feel like
you're busy all the time, if youfeel like I don't have time to
do this work, to find my values,like that sounds all nice and
fluffy, but I'm busy, there'stoo many things to do I put
together a cheat sheet tobasically carve out the time to
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find two to 10 hours a week andtake them back for yourself.
So it's called you know, slashyour hours by 20% without while
still being perceived as a topperformer.
And it goes into the principlesthat I use myself and use with
my clients to end burnout withvery actionable tactical tips
and applications that they canfollow to get their time back.
Daniela SM (35:38):
Wow, that sounds super interesting.
So how do you come up with that?
Hannah Tackett (35:41):
Well, I was looking for something that would
give people like if they hearthe story, if they hear the
message around that you can endburnout, you don't have to burn
out, you can prevent burnoutLike just something simple and
tangible and practical that theycan take and then apply in
their own life.
That is free, they don't haveto do anything to get, other
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than click on a link.
Daniela SM (36:03):
You have seen success out of that sheet.
Have you gotten any comments?
Hannah Tackett (36:08):
Yeah, I explained it like okay, you only
need to do one or two of thesethings to see a difference.
Don't do all of them, buthere's the seven things.
Pick what stands out to you andtry it, and then let me know
how it goes.
And people are letting me knowhow it's going and it is working
, and I love seeing that there'sa way to like help people
without you know having toactually like you know, bring
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them into the program.
But sometimes, though, therethere's a need to like get rid
of like self-sabotage, becauseyou know, I'm sure you've
experienced like, especially asadults, when we try to change
anything in our lives, like thatcritter brain flares up and
there's a lot of reasons why wecan't excuses and things come up
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.
Other people like there's somuch sabotage when it comes to
change.
So there is an option to likeget on the call with me and like
deal with that as well.
Daniela SM (36:58):
Yes, I feel that micro doses of changes who will
increase new habits is always agood thing.
Yes, you're right.
For me is well, why should Ikeep doing it?
I don't see any changes.
But it's because I like to seechanges.
I like you know, if I'm doingsomething, just ticking the box,
it's like okay, I'm done, next,right.
For example, it's like okay,I'm done, next right.
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For example, for me going tothe gym.
I've been going to the gym fora long time.
I do all the exercises aboutlifting to grow muscles.
Then I have to kind of acceptthat maybe my DNA is not of an
athlete, so I won't be seen.
You know, showing those muscles, like I know my husband can,
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and so that.
But you know, like that alwaysis like oh well, where should I
go then if, uh, if I cannot seethe results, and that's always
difficult.
So then I have to um scanningand then you can see, oh, you
have increased your muscles, butI need more visuals true,
there's this, there's thisconcept of compounding interest,
right?
Hannah Tackett (37:54):
so people use it financially where you put a
dollar in and over 10 years,it's a hundred dollars.
But if you put more in in andover 10 years, it's a hundred
dollars.
But if you put more in, it liketurns into millions and it's
like this, it's like a flat linefor so long and then suddenly
it spikes up.
And that's how I think.
True, change works in our livesin so many ways, like you'd put
a little bit of effort, alittle bit of effort, a little
bit of effort, you're not seeinganything.
You're not seeing anything.
But those 1% changes over timemeans that you're going to end
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up in a completely differentplace in five years, in 10 years
, than if you hadn't done thatwork.
Daniela SM (38:21):
No, I agree completely with you and you know
, I'm one of the persons thatI'm always learning, always want
to grow, always want to be likewhat is the next thing I can
learn?
I was talking to someone thatsays, well, and how many of your
friends or people that you knowaround are working on
themselves?
And then I stop and I realized,yes, not too many really.
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Maybe I'm in the wrong villageor something like that, but it's
true that we talk a lot youhear in social media, coaches,
everywhere, and I don't thinkthat there is enough people
working on themselves.
I don't know.
Hannah Tackett (38:54):
I think that people get caught up in the
busyness trap, feel like theydon't have the time or that it's
not important.
A lot of people are caught inthe same trap.
I was where.
I was like well, I need to work, I need to make money, I need
to do all these things all daylong and I don't have time to
work on myself, which is nottrue.
We all have the time.
It's just a matter of carvingit out and getting it back.
Daniela SM (39:14):
Yes, that's true, you have no kids and your time
is busy.
You have the kids and you feedit.
And then you know, thingschange and you keep feeding it.
And then sometimes you know nowour kids are older.
Yes, and so then you know, nowour kids are older and somehow
it is because you know time isan illusion.
Right, like we created it, itdoesn't exist.
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The days are not going to getany bigger, but you can fit it
in if you are productive.
Right, it is aboutprioritization.
Hannah Tackett (39:50):
Yeah.
Daniela SM (39:51):
Yeah, and, and, and it's.
I mean it's.
It's true that time doesn'texist right, Like some people
say, oh it fast, it passes sofast, and some people say fast,
so slow, so it just depends.
So I don't know.
It's true, we can do it, and Idon't know if it's a matter of
being organized, if it's amatter of having discipline.
Do you think these things arenecessary?
Hannah Tackett (40:11):
I love to be organized, but you don't have to
be organized.
I think that having a clearunderstanding of what matters to
you and being able to say no tothings that are not going to
move that needle is really kindof the pivotal understanding.
Daniela SM (40:25):
Yes, yes, that's true.
So, hannah, anything else thatyou want to add that it can
serve you here I think if Ileave a last word, it's that you
are the linchpin of your life.
Hannah Tackett (40:37):
Making time for yourself, investing in yourself
, doing the work will get youexponential results in your home
, in your business, in yourcareer.
So it's worth understandingthat and knowing that.
Don't put yourself last on thelist.
Daniela SM (40:50):
Yes, investing in yourself is vital and, again, we
didn't grow up thinking thatway.
That's why we're here in thisworld.
I keep saying that we're hereto know who we are, to figure it
out who we are, to makeourselves happy, and not
necessarily with the materialstuff but just getting to know
who we are Exactly.
Yes, so we are going to put allthe information about how to
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reach you and also if you sharethat list of seven things that
you can do on the show notes.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
I really enjoy our conversation.
Hannah Tackett (41:20):
Absolutely.
Thank you for having me.
It was such an honor.
Daniela SM (41:23):
Yes, thank you, thank you.
Thank you.
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Welcome.
My guest is Hannah Tackett, aformer software design manager
turned burnout coach.
After over a decade of hardwork, hannah hit burnout and she
shares her honest and inspiringstory how she went from
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exhaustion to living a balancedlife full of energy and purpose.
She shows how spotting theearly signs of burnout, like
irritability and anxiety, canhelp you regain control of
well-being.
Hannah didn't just recognizeburnout.
She completely changed herapproach to life.
With help from healthprofessionals and further health
(01:04):
coaching and psychology studies, she uncovered the five traps
of success.
Her story teaches how self-care, setting boundaries and
learning to say no can make lifemore fulfilling.
It was wonderful having her onthe show and look on the show
notes for the link to the sevenpractical tips to find your
balance and success, and keep aneye, because soon she's
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starting her own podcast.
So let's enjoy her story.
Welcome, hannah, to the show.
Thank you so happy to be here.
Yes, I am excited, too, thatyou are here to share a story.
And, Hannah, why do you want toshare your story?
Hannah Tackett (01:39):
I just think it's so important to talk about
the journey to burnout and theexperience of burnout because I
have spoken with so many highachieving women that didn't even
realize that they were on thepath to burnout until it was too
late.
So I just think it's soimportant to get the message out
.
Daniela SM (01:54):
Yes, you're right, and the only way to learn about
it is hearing other people'sstories, because otherwise you
wouldn't know what that meansreally.
When does your story start?
Hannah Tackett (02:04):
Goodness, I would say about five years ago.
Well, that's where the bigpivot was, where it starts,
probably, like I don't know myteens, but we'll pick it up
about five years ago.
Essentially, at that point, I'dbeen working in tech for 11
years, 12 years.
I hit a wall.
I was so exhausted I could notget out of bed and I couldn't
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get out of bed for months.
So I was just flat on my back,useless, and it terrified me.
It really frightened me becauseat this point in my life, I had
worked so hard to get into thiscareer.
I had very young children thatI'm responsible for, I'm married
, I have this beautiful life,basically that I had invested so
much into building there.
It wasn't bad not investing init, not showing up for it and it
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really frightened me because Iwanted to show up for my kids.
There was a certain way I wantedto be a mom and passed out in
bed, is not it?
I was afraid of losing my job.
I'm like someone's going tonotice I'm not performing.
I just felt like I had a lot onthe line and a lot of things
that I truly cared about on theline.
I just felt like I had a lot onthe line and a lot of things
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that I truly cared about on theline, and so when that happened,
I prioritized my recovery.
I was like I am going to fixthis, I'm going to get my energy
back, I am never going to burnout again, and that became my
highest priority, whereas beforeI don't think I had a clear
priority, I was just trying todo everything.
And so when I made that shift,it really.
It shifted the way I approachedlife.
It shifted how I showed up andmy recovery journey took a while
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and I learned a lot, but that'sessentially like that.
That was like the pivot pointwhen things changed.
Daniela SM (03:37):
So you were going to work every day and family and
marriage, and then suddenly yougot sick.
You wouldn't go to work fordays.
Hannah Tackett (03:45):
Well, in marriage, and then suddenly you
got sick, you wouldn't go towork for days.
Well, fortunately I had someflexibility, so I was working
from home, so I was able to,like you know, laptop next to me
showing up, sort of, but Iwasn't producing and, yes, and
up to that point, most of mycareer I was working in the
office, which was frankly awful.
And you know, I've got thebabies at home and the husband
and like the never ending, andyou know I've got the babies at
home and the husband and likethe never ending job of being a
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mother of young children.
And I never changed or adjustedthe way I approach life.
You know, after having kids, Iwas just always on, you know,
full steam ahead, leaning in atall times, picked up everything,
did everyone else's job forthem, and I didn't realize I was
going to burnout.
And that's kind of where Ithink this conversation is so
important, because there are somany red flags along the way, so
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many opportunities to turn itaround before it affects your
performance, before it affectsyour ability to show up.
Daniela SM (04:35):
You didn't know, we didn't know what the burnout.
I still don't know what burnout, what level that means.
You know, like I was alsoworking, having the kids,
marriage, and so now the kid,you know they're grown up.
You know I'm similar to you,like I don't wake up in the
morning with that enthusiasm asI used to, but I don't know what
is burnout.
(04:55):
I only feel like I feel likeI'm dying inside.
Hannah Tackett (05:01):
That's, that's part of it.
So burning out it's not, youknow, a diagnosis, it's a look,
quote, a quote realism.
And so essentially it's not asudden crash, it's really a
silent buildup of stress overtime and it sneaks up on us.
And I like to think of it as,like there's three stages to
this.
You know, build up and thefirst stage is like that
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stealthy stress stage that Ithink most of us are
experiencing here or thereanyways, and it begins to
accumulate unnoticed and startsto affect our daily life in
subtle ways.
So maybe we're starting to feela little bit more irritable,
maybe we're being short with ourkids, maybe we're having some
anxiety and we're worried aboutthe future, perhaps struggling
with sleep or dealing withinsomnia, maybe we're having
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some poor concentration or brainfog, having difficulty focusing
, perhaps some tummy troubles,headaches and migraines.
Another one that people don'tthink about is like the
self-criticism, because asyou're still feeling that stress
mounting, you start to becomesomewhat critical of yourself
and that tends to add to thatpile of stress.
(06:04):
And so that's that first stage,that stealthy stress.
And if the stress and the waywe're showing up in the world
and showing up for our careersand showing up for our families
isn't addressed, that can turninto the second stage, which I
think of as emotional erosion,and that's where that increasing
emotional exhaustion leads tocynicism, dread, detachment from
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work and personal life, wherewe start to feel cynical towards
work.
Maybe we're having the Sundayscaries where you know we're
afraid, you know Sunday we startfeeling anxious and dreading
going back to the office onMonday.
I know when I experienced myburnout I had the Sunday scaries
, but mine would start on Fridayafternoon around 3 PM while I
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was still in the office, andaround 3 PM would come around
and I would just feel like mysoul was dropping out of my body
because I knew I had to comeback on Monday and I did not
want to and it would taint myentire weekend because that
dread just sat in the bottom ofmy gut the entire time because I
was so unhappy and I just didnot want to go back.
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Some people feel detached, likethey just stop caring or like
they feel resentful, like workis just this endless hamster
wheel of grind and many peoplestart having fantasies of
quitting.
I know I certainly did.
I think like the more mildemotional symptom that we can,
it's more easy to tune into, isresentment.
So if you're starting to likeresent your boss, resent your
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job, resent your husband, resentyour schedule, resent all of
the obligations that are on yourplate, that is a big red flag.
It's like, hey, it's time tochange how we're doing things.
It's time to change how we'reshowing up.
If we don't change things, ifwe don't adjust how we're
relating to work, it can turninto that third stage of burnout
which is, I think, whateveryone thinks of when they
think of burnout, which is thatperformance paralysis.
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In my experience it was.
I was in bed and couldn't getup.
I went to the doctors and had abunch of tests done and all the
tests said I was fine.
There was nothing actuallywrong with me other than that I
couldn't get out of bed, I wasjust completely fried.
But I've spoken with womenwhere one woman that I worked
with ended up in the ER.
Another woman it wasn't so muchthat her body shut down on her
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completely, it was that shestopped being able to do her job
.
So she was showing up but shewasn't getting anything done.
She'd sit there for hours andget so little done and then she
ended up being put on aperformance review and she was
like, you know, up until thatpoint, her entire life she was a
top performer and suddenly she,you know, she hit this wall
where she just couldn't getthings done.
(08:37):
It was like she was trying topush through a fog is how she
described it that third stagethat people call burnout.
It really there's a lot leadingup to that.
There's a lot of opportunitiesto change how we're doing things
and prevent that from happening.
And it does look different fordifferent people.
It has different faces to it.
Daniela SM (08:53):
Huh, how interesting , how interesting.
I feel like I've been on oneand two for a long time.
I felt somehow that I kind ofI'm trapped and I'm fighting,
fighting and fighting.
That's the only thing that Icould relate, that I was like.
I just feel like I'm fighting.
Obviously, I don't feel likeyou knew all this until it
happened.
So how do you learn aboutputting words and explaining
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these so well?
Hannah Tackett (09:17):
Right.
So this happened, you know,five, six years ago, when I made
that decision to prioritizemyself, prioritize health, and
that kicked off an entirejourney, or a discovery.
And you know, I hired healthcoaches, I went to chiropractors
, I went to acupuncturists, Iwent to coaching school to
become a health coach.
I studied the psychology behindthings.
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I read a hundred books.
You know like I dove deep, I waskind of it became an obsession
where I, just because I'd burnedout before like that was not my
first time burning out, it wasjust I decided that was the last
time I was going to burn out.
And so I studied, I learned, Italked to many, many people and
(10:00):
I reached out to many differentkinds of professionals to get
help for myself.
And in the process I began tounderstand the stress cycle and
what chronic stress actuallydoes to our bodies and our minds
and our spirits, how thatreally is what burnout is.
It's an expression of thatchronic stress and how there's
some of us have this way offalling.
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I call it like the five successtraps, like there's these
behaviors that we have that havedriven us to success, but those
same behaviors can also driveus to burnout.
And that's when I was like, oh,these are the people I want to
help, you know.
I think I had all of those Ifell into all of those success
traps.
So the first one is you knowthe people pleasing, you know so
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.
We were trying to keep our bosshappy, we're trying to keep our
kids happy, we're trying tokeep our spouse happy, we want
to keep our team happy, we wanteverybody to be fine, right.
So we just extend, extend,extend ourselves, try to keep
everybody else happy, butinevitably we're kind of
forgetting about our own needs.
People pleasing can definitelylead to success.
Right, you meet the rightpeople, happy they
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People-pleasing can definitelylead to success.
Right, you meet the rightpeople happy, they're going to
promote you, they're going togive you more opportunities.
But if it's out of balance orif it's like rooted in fear and
I think fear is a big topic itcan drive you to burnout, fear
of what?
The fears that tend to drivethese success traps, the, you
know, the people-pleasingperfectionism, the overextending
or helping overachieving thefear of saying no, or helping
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overachieving the fear of sayingno.
So the fear behind those, mostof the fears come down to a fear
of not being worthy.
So there's the fear of notbeing worthy, there's the fear
of scarcity.
So maybe you grew up in like Iknow in my case my parents were
not wealthy, so I definitelygrew up with a mindset like
there's not enough.
I'm going to have to workreally, really, really hard all
the time to make enough money tosurvive.
So you get the survivalmentality.
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Sometimes there's a fear ofrejection or in the work world
it's maybe a fear of job lossand I know in my career I saw
thousands of people laid off ina single day and it definitely
put in addition to my scarcitythinking.
It put that additional fear inthere like I could lose my job,
like if I'm not overachieving,if I'm not extending myself and
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doing everyone else's job forthem, like I'll be the next one
laid off.
So all these fears you know youdon't have to have all the
fears, but sometimes they pileup and they drive those
behaviors that perfectionism,that overextending and picking
up other people's problems andresponsibilities, or that being
the nice girl being afraid ofsaying no or just not knowing
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how to say no.
I know when I was working a lotof things would end up on my
plate.
I would get triple booked allday long in calls and I never
turned down anything.
I just didn't realize I could.
Part of it was I didn't realizeI could.
The other part of it was I wasafraid if I said no to something
that I would be laid off.
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I'd be the next one, you know,with my head on the block.
So those are like the fearsthat I think drive the behaviors
that can contribute to burningout.
Daniela SM (13:00):
This is fascinating.
My question still is you werelying in bed.
What gave you the strength tosay I'm going to change this?
Hannah Tackett (13:10):
I think it really came down to I love my
kids.
I refused to fail as a mom.
I wanted to be there for them.
I wanted to be emotionallyengaged and not just like a rag
doll, which is how I felt.
I didn't want to just meettheir physical needs, I wanted
to be mentally and emotionallypresent.
And I was tapped out.
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I felt like I had nothing leftto give.
And that had to change.
And it had to change in a waywhere I wasn't unemployed, like
I couldn't burn down my careerand go churn butter in the woods
.
I had responsibilities, I hadbills to pay, I'm a breadwinner.
I can't just quit.
So I had to find a way to solveit that didn't involve a
two-year sabbatical, that didn'tinvolve quitting my job or, you
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know, taking a lower-paying jobthat was less stressful, like I
had to solve it in the contextthat I was in.
Daniela SM (13:59):
Yes, but that means that.
Hannah Tackett (14:08):
It is surprisingly counterintuitive
the process that I went through,which took a while, but what
I've learned is that byprioritizing your own care and
by prioritizing white space ormargin in your life, you end up
being much more efficient.
So by doing less, you end updoing more, better, you're not
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as busy, but you're much moreproductive, much more strategic.
In the process of this recovery, I learned how to say no.
So I'm turning down work, I'mcommunicating with my boss and
my team about what I'm going todo and what I'm not going to do,
and when things are going tohappen, and my fear that I had
to just rewrite essentially torewrite the fear that I'd be
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laid off, and then I had toaccept that I'm going to be okay
and I have to do this to beable to show up for my kids.
So when I learned how to say no, when I learned how to ask for
what I really wanted and say noto the things that weren't
serving me or weren't servingthe team, and be able to
negotiate for timelines andnegotiate for more resources, I
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did not get laid off.
I got promoted.
So by doing less, by holdingspace for myself, finding my
voice and being vocal about whatis okay and what is not okay in
my world.
What I'm willing to accept ornot accelerated my career.
It had the exact oppositeeffect of what I was afraid of
Interesting?
Daniela SM (15:36):
Yeah, because people will respect you more, because
you can say no, it's true, youdon't have to work harder, you
just have to be efficient, andso you create a more white space
for yourself, something thatyou didn't have before.
Exactly.
Hannah Tackett (15:49):
Yes, and the first thing I well, I don't know
what the first thing I did was,but one of the things that I've
done is, you know, I mentionedmy calendar was always, you know
, triple booked.
It's always full, and I justopen it up in the morning and
just feel so much anxiety.
So I started declining meetingsand then people would come up
and be like, why aren't yougoing to be in this call?
I'm like because I'm alreadybooked.
(16:10):
You know, let's, let's discusswhat matters most, let's
prioritize, let's have theseconversations.
And so I would decline meetings.
I started taking lunches offthe entire hour and I would
leave the building, go for awalk, and I started leaving at
four so that I could pick up mykids and spend time with them at
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home.
So I dramatically cut my hoursand what happened was I had a
lot of good conversations withpeople who wanted work done and
when I explained like well, Ican do this much and I can do
this much.
Well, if you want X, Y and Zdone, then we either need a
longer timeline or more people,because we're understaffed and
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I'm done compensating for it.
I didn't say that part, butthat in my mind.
I was like I'm done,compensating for the fact that
we are understaffed.
So this is what we need to getthe job done.
So they gave me what we need.
They gave me people, so I endedup getting a team.
So, yeah, so it's.
It worked out really well, likefinding the boundaries, finding
my voice, being able to expresswhat I wanted and what I didn't
want, but within the context ofmeeting everyone's needs.
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I wasn't going around flippingpeople off, saying I'm not going
to do my job anymore.
It wasn't that at all.
It was like you want all ofthis done, this massive pile of
work?
Here's how we could do it on anextended timeframe.
Here's how we could do it ifyou added two or three more
people.
Which one would you like to do?
Daniela SM (17:31):
But you read about this, how to do it, or just you
woke up one day and came up withall these good ideas.
Hannah Tackett (17:37):
Oh, I'm constantly reading.
Okay, yes, so I definitely readhow to Negotiate, I read about
boundaries.
I read books on codependency.
I read books on stress andchronic stress.
I read books on holistic healthhealth, read books on
communication Like I'm always,my head is always in books, so
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I'd read a ton and I would justtake bits and pieces of what
I've learned and try them.
You know, my life is theexperiment.
I'm going to try it out.
And at the same time, I wasworking with people, like I
worked with a health coach,because I thought, well, maybe a
health coach can help me get myenergy back, maybe my
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acupuncturist, maybe mychiropractor, maybe my Algosia
therapist.
So I talked to a lot ofprofessionals over the years and
learned from them and pieces ofthis and pieces of that ended
up coming together to being aholistic solution that, for me,
ended the burnout and paved theway for me to prevent burnout
from happening again and helpothers to do the same.
Daniela SM (18:36):
And Hannah, do you feel that this is also part of
people's personality, Like, haveyou met people that are in the
same boat as you, however, andthey have read books?
However, they don't know how toapply it.
Hannah Tackett (18:50):
Yeah, so one of my clients I don't know if I'd
call it personality, becausethat implies like it's permanent
or like it's ingrained in us.
It's more like a learnedbehavior or a pattern or a story
that you believe in.
So, yeah, so one of my clients,like she'd been to therapists,
she'd taken sabbaticals, sheeven switched jobs, she switched
companies, she tried everything, she switched companies, she
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tried everything and she wasstill dreading her job every
single day.
And she was the one that Imentioned ended up on a
performance review because shewent from being a top performer
to being barely able to getthrough the day.
And so we went through thisprocess that I've put together I
call it the peace method andwithin less than 90 days, she
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was waking up excited in themorning.
She felt like she had a clearvision for her future.
She was showing up to work, shewas showing up for a personal
life, she was having thingsshift with her relationship with
her children that she wasn'teven expecting.
So it is completely possible,like, even if you're stuck, even
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if you've done a ton of things,to try and turn around, for
yourself to actually, like, getover the hump.
And I think that working withothers because sometimes, like
you know, if it's on, if there'slike a speck of dirt on your
nose like you can't necessarilysee it, it's too close.
So you need a mirror or anotherperson to kind of give you the
feedback as you're going, and Ithink that's kind of like a
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critical aspect of it.
Daniela SM (20:17):
She did all the book and everything, but she needed
somebody to like a coach,somebody to help her Essentially
.
Hannah Tackett (20:23):
Yeah, and I think it's also the method, like
the method that I'd puttogether, because she's done it.
She'd been to therapists, and Idon't think this is a
replacement for therapy.
I'm a huge fan of therapy.
This She'd been to therapistsand I don't think this is a
replacement for therapy.
I'm a huge fan of therapy.
This is one of those things.
If you're in therapy and youwant to do this kind of coaching
, it's in addition to, not areplacement of.
I just want to make that superclear.
But she still hadn't resolvedher dread, she hadn't found her
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path forward.
Daniela SM (20:47):
Yeah, how interesting.
Because it's true, people canread a lot and they still don't
apply it.
It is not that easy.
You have to have thatcapability of whatever you read,
you applied.
So you were working, you gotpromoted, you feel that you were
having a better relationshipwithin your family.
Hannah Tackett (21:05):
And then what happened?
Right?
So what happened was I keptfollowing this path right, and
so one of the keys that I thinkis surprising to ending burnout
is authenticity and steppinginto alignment with your own
values.
And so, on this journey, I wasbecoming more and more clear
about what my values wereObvious to me and even initially
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, was like it's valuable to meto be able to spend time with my
children.
Another value that I had ignoredfor years, years, was my love
of nature.
So I'd been working in tech,I'd been sitting in a car doing
90-minute commutes, I'd beensitting in office buildings a
lot of sitting, so a lot ofsitting.
I was not able to get out innature because I worked so much,
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and when I wasn't working, Iwas taking care of my children
and I lived in a city.
It was like really hard to getany kind of nature in my life,
and so I made the decision likeI need to be in trees, I need to
be able to go walking in theforest often, like multiple
times a week.
This matters, whereas before,before, I realized like being
true to my own values beingauthentic, I didn't think it was
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that important, right.
I thought making my husbandhappy, making my kids happy,
making my boss happy, making alot of money.
Those were the things that wereimportant.
But when I burned out and I goton this path of healing, I
realized actually honoring mytrue self and honoring what
inspires and matters to me iswhat's important and nature
matters to me, right, it doesn'thave to matter to everyone.
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What's important and naturematters to me, right.
It doesn't have to matter toeveryone, but it matters to me.
So I started the process ofmoving across the state.
So I moved from an urban centerto a forest, essentially, and I
made that happen by negotiatingwith my job and I was like I
would like to move here in themiddle of a forest and I'd like
to work remote, full-time.
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And they said okay, and what'scrazy was I wanted to do that
for eight months before I asked.
It took me eight months to getthe courage to ask and I asked
and it was an immediate yes.
Why did I wait so long?
So my family and I moved.
We are now close to nature.
You could hear it.
Family and I moved.
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We are now close to nature.
You could hear it.
And so now I am able to havethat aspect of life, things that
are valuable to me, where I'mable to move every single day.
I'm able to go out and get intoa forest and go hiking four
minutes from my house, and thatfills my cup.
And there's a really importantconcept here where when you're
doing things that matter to you,you're filling your cup with
energy.
You're like recharging thebattery.
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So imagine you're a battery.
Doing those things refills yourbattery.
And when you show up for otheractivities, when I go to work or
take care of my kids, Iactually have something to give.
I have a lot to give.
I'm empowered, I'm alive, Ifeel great.
And for me it was nature and oneof my clients it was knitting.
She wanted to knit, but shestopped knitting because she
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felt bad about the time right,it was a waste of time and she
had to spend all of her timeeither working or cleaning her
house.
That's what she got on her head.
And so when she startedprioritizing knitting and adding
craft back into her life likeeven while she's on calls, doing
a little bit of knitting inbetween calls, just a little bit
of here and there she noticed adramatic difference in how she
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felt and how much energy she hadand how much clarity she had
for what she wanted to do nextor where she wanted her career
to go.
So I think that a lot of us losepieces of ourselves along the
way because we pick upexpectations like all the
shoulds.
I should behave this way atwork.
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I need to act like that personat work to be successful.
I need to succeed like thatperson over there, because we
get an idea like I want this.
In my case, I wanted to make acertain amount of money so that
I could afford a certainlifestyle for my family and I
thought I had to do it a certainway.
I had to do a certain way.
I had to do it like I saw otherpeople doing it, and that
wasn't necessarily the case.
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I could do it my own way, andwhen I embraced that, I started
making even more money and I wasmuch happier.
I think they trickle over intomy personal life too being able
to delegate matters at work,matters at home, being able to
train someone else to supportyour vision in the office you
can do that at home too.
So I feel like these skills areuniversal, even if the way you
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do it like the way you're goingto train a five-year-old to
clean up their room is going tobe different than the way you
train your employee to do theirjob, but the principles behind
them are the same.
Daniela SM (25:31):
Yes, but how did you manage to move?
Just, your husband was okay,working from home or something,
he had no issues.
Hannah Tackett (25:38):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
No, he thought he was on boardbecause he was also not getting
out as much as he wanted.
He wants to be able to gomountain biking every day and he
wasn't able to do it from wherewe lived.
So we were aligned likecompletely aligned on moving and
did a lot of research, a lot oflooking at different
communities, before picking theright one for us, for our family
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, because it was more than justnature, right, we also wanted a
little bit more of a smallishtown community feel for the kids
and good schools and you know,the normal stuff people are
looking for.
Daniela SM (26:09):
Yes.
And then your husband.
Did he notice that you wereburnt out?
What was the support that heoffered you?
Hannah Tackett (26:14):
I think it freaked him out.
I mean we had babies, right,little little little ones.
So I think it frightened himand I think he felt like he has
to do more.
I turned it around so I mean itworked out.
But yeah, he was concerned andhe did step up quite a bit and
help with the kids.
Daniela SM (26:29):
You said there were babies who could have had the
blues as well.
Hannah Tackett (26:33):
The baby blues.
It could have been.
It could have been, except forI had had postpartum depression
when I was a first child, anddid not prevent like being
treated for that did not preventburnout.
I still ended up burning out.
I don't necessarily think thatdepression and burnout are the
same thing.
I think they can be correlated.
I think you can have them bothat the same time.
But burning out is a responseto cumulative stress.
Daniela SM (26:56):
Yes, interesting Wow you moved to another city.
Hannah Tackett (26:57):
What happened next?
Well, next, within a few monthsof moving, I got an offer from
what is essentially a dream job.
So I switched companies.
The new company is amazing,like the best culture ever.
It was like a magic, magicaloccurrence.
Not only was I able to stand upfor myself, but now I'm in a
company that supports that andencourages work-life balance.
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It all ended up working outjust beautifully, beautifully.
So I ended up you know this newcompany doing great in the new
city.
It was during COVID, so I haveto say that was hard moving
during the shutdowns becausepeople were super weird and no
one was friendly.
Like it was the most unfriendlystart in a new city you could
imagine.
So it took years for us to likeget to know people.
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But I think that that's common,Like if anyone moved during
that time period.
I'm sure that there's somerelatability there.
It was not a good time but inspite of that, I had other good
things going on in my life witha new job and just being able to
go hiking was beautiful.
And then I started helpingpeople.
But I realized like I got thisnew job.
I started going to conferenceswhen things started opening up
again and talking to a lot ofwomen and realizing this isn't
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just a me problem, Like thereare so many women and I was
thinking just in tech, right,Because that's the world I was
in so many women are struggling,struggling deeply with burnout,
and I think the COVID situationaccelerated that for a lot of
people because of the isolationwhich is a stress causing
situation.
And so I met so many women whowere struggling on their path to
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burnout, women who burnt out,women who were trying to recover
from burning out.
I talked to women who had quittheir jobs, like walked away
from you know a half a milliondollars a year, left all of
their RSUs behind and were inthe process of recovering.
And this particular individual,like she, was in her third year
of living off of savings,trying to get better.
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That's expensive, and I waslike this is wrong.
This is wrong.
I mean, it's hard enough forwomen to be in the workplace to
begin with, but then to havewomen dropping off like this and
exiting the workplace becauseof because they're fried and
they don't have the tools andthe support that they need to
recover and come back stronger,is a crime.
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So I started working with womenindividually and now in a group
program where I walk everyonethrough the steps to ending
burnout and making sure thatdoes not happen again.
Daniela SM (29:16):
Wow, that's incredible, because you said
also that you took a courseabout coaching.
Hannah Tackett (29:20):
Yeah, yeah, so I did.
I did get certified to be ahealth and life coach, like in
on my journey.
Daniela SM (29:26):
Yes, During on this journey.
Okay, okay, and so you knewthat this is something that you
were interested in, in doing.
Hannah Tackett (29:33):
Yes, I've always been interested in in
helping others.
I've always been passionateabout health and this was just
kind of like another aspect toit.
And I do love to help others,even in my professional world,
like, yes, I'm a softwaredesigner, but ultimately I'm
there to help my team.
It plays to my passions forsure.
Daniela SM (29:49):
Well, you seem like a beautiful person that is calm,
that you know always think thatyou care about other people's
anyway, so it sounds like thecoaching suits you really well.
Hannah Tackett (30:00):
Yeah, it's been very fulfilling, very fun and
just beautiful to watch otherswho've been struggling with
these things turn it around.
Daniela SM (30:08):
And are you helping people from your office or is
just always people from theoutside?
Hannah Tackett (30:12):
Like people I've known on my career path,
but also people that I'm meetingonline or from podcasting or
you know wherever they're comingin, or referrals, so it's a
variety of women from all over.
Daniela SM (30:24):
You know we always need help in talking to somebody
who could understand and relateto what's happening.
So that's very important thatyou took this path, because I
think it's helping a lot ofpeople and your story is somehow
relatable.
Even though I didn't get tostage three I think I've been to
one and two.
Knowing this, I think that I'velearned about me and so I know
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exactly that.
Okay, like this week, forexample, I have a lot of
appointments and I'm like okay,I can do this, and so I'm
prepared.
It's going to be a busy weekend.
In high school and even incollege, one of the subjects
should be learn about yourself,not only personality tests, but
what are the values, and youknow those values will change.
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If I don't know a better world,we will all be stronger.
Hannah Tackett (31:11):
Absolutely Like knowing yourself and listening
to, like people call itintuition, or like your gut
wisdom is so important tofeeling satisfied.
Like we can be successful, likeon paper, and feel miserable if
we are successful in a way thatwe're fulfilling someone else's
definition right, but when weare fulfilling our own
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definition of success in the waythat we want to, that is in
alignment with our values, likethat is fulfilling.
There's this myth that humanproductivity is linear and that
more is more, whereas humanproductivity is really more like
a tide, so there's like an ebband a flow to it.
And so when we lean in, youknow we're pushing, we're on,
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we're going, we're striving, andthat's wonderful, but at the
same time we need to be able tolean out with just as much
intention.
Daniela SM (32:06):
You know I had this lady that I actually post in her
episode soon.
She also got burnt out.
She had numerous kids and shewas in.
She called it in the corporateAmerica successful.
She says that she's teachingher kids what do you want to be
when you grow up?
Like you know, what kind ofcareer is the most important
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thing versus what kind of persondo you want to be when you grow
up?
And so she's constantly askingthat to their kids and I feel
that that's a bit of the workthat we can start focusing as
parents for our kids, to helpthem focus on the right thing
versus on the career, on thetitles and more of a, what kind
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of person is it that you knowyou want to be when you grow up?
Hannah Tackett (32:51):
Exactly, and you can have both if that is in
alignment with your values.
I love that because I feel,like so many, especially like
the women that I work with andmyself in my past, like such an
overachiever, like there wasalways a thing to do.
I was always achieving, alwayschecking the next box, always
doing something, with no time inmy life to be to exist.
(33:13):
You know so that that whitespace in life where you're just
being a human and we don'tprioritize that, we don't think
it's important culturally, likeif you're living in a world
where hustle culture is kind ofon a pedestal, but that time
where you're just being, whereyou're just existing as a human
is so critical and it's just asimportant as achieving.
Yes, that's true.
(33:34):
How old are your kids?
I have a six-year-old and anine-year-old.
Daniela SM (33:39):
How old are your kids?
I have a six-year-old and anine-year-old, okay, so are you
working with them about teachingthem this that you learned?
Hannah Tackett (33:48):
already Sort of they're not workaholics.
So I'm hoping that by example,they learn not to be workaholics
, who we are and how we treatothers, like being kind not just
to others, but being kind toourselves, being loving towards
others and loving ourselves.
So I always like reflected backto them like you're not
(34:09):
supposed to sacrifice your soulon behalf of others.
Honor who you are, get to knowwho you are and what you love,
and express that.
Be able to ask for what youwant, be able to receive what
you need.
So so, yeah, so those thingsare definitely ingrained in how
I'm raising them and how I'mteaching them so they know to
pursue what they love, they knowto ask for what they want, they
know to respect others but alsorespect themselves as, like,
(34:31):
the baseline, and are youteaching them how to say no?
Daniela SM (34:36):
No, they know already how to say no, they
don't need to be taught how tosay no.
Hannah Tackett (34:42):
They don't even know how to say no Exactly.
Daniela SM (34:44):
Especially when they're four.
They're actually very good atsaying no to everything
Wonderful and, besides being acoach, do a blog or have you?
You have something else thatyou share with people.
Hannah Tackett (34:56):
So yeah.
So I put together a kind of acheat sheet on how to become
less busy.
So if you're feelingoverwhelmed, if you feel like
you're busy all the time, if youfeel like I don't have time to
do this work, to find my values,like that sounds all nice and
fluffy, but I'm busy, there'stoo many things to do I put
together a cheat sheet tobasically carve out the time to
(35:16):
find two to 10 hours a week andtake them back for yourself.
So it's called you know, slashyour hours by 20% without while
still being perceived as a topperformer.
And it goes into the principlesthat I use myself and use with
my clients to end burnout withvery actionable tactical tips
and applications that they canfollow to get their time back.
Daniela SM (35:38):
Wow, that sounds super interesting.
So how do you come up with that?
Hannah Tackett (35:41):
Well, I was looking for something that would
give people like if they hearthe story, if they hear the
message around that you can endburnout, you don't have to burn
out, you can prevent burnoutLike just something simple and
tangible and practical that theycan take and then apply in
their own life.
That is free, they don't haveto do anything to get, other
(36:02):
than click on a link.
Daniela SM (36:03):
You have seen success out of that sheet.
Have you gotten any comments?
Hannah Tackett (36:08):
Yeah, I explained it like okay, you only
need to do one or two of thesethings to see a difference.
Don't do all of them, buthere's the seven things.
Pick what stands out to you andtry it, and then let me know
how it goes.
And people are letting me knowhow it's going and it is working
, and I love seeing that there'sa way to like help people
without you know having toactually like you know, bring
(36:29):
them into the program.
But sometimes, though, therethere's a need to like get rid
of like self-sabotage, becauseyou know, I'm sure you've
experienced like, especially asadults, when we try to change
anything in our lives, like thatcritter brain flares up and
there's a lot of reasons why wecan't excuses and things come up
(36:49):
.
Other people like there's somuch sabotage when it comes to
change.
So there is an option to likeget on the call with me and like
deal with that as well.
Daniela SM (36:58):
Yes, I feel that micro doses of changes who will
increase new habits is always agood thing.
Yes, you're right.
For me is well, why should Ikeep doing it?
I don't see any changes.
But it's because I like to seechanges.
I like you know, if I'm doingsomething, just ticking the box,
it's like okay, I'm done, next,right.
For example, it's like okay,I'm done, next right.
(37:19):
For example, for me going tothe gym.
I've been going to the gym fora long time.
I do all the exercises aboutlifting to grow muscles.
Then I have to kind of acceptthat maybe my DNA is not of an
athlete, so I won't be seen.
You know, showing those muscles, like I know my husband can,
(37:41):
and so that.
But you know, like that alwaysis like oh well, where should I
go then if, uh, if I cannot seethe results, and that's always
difficult.
So then I have to um scanningand then you can see, oh, you
have increased your muscles, butI need more visuals true,
there's this, there's thisconcept of compounding interest,
right?
Hannah Tackett (37:54):
so people use it financially where you put a
dollar in and over 10 years,it's a hundred dollars.
But if you put more in in andover 10 years, it's a hundred
dollars.
But if you put more in, it liketurns into millions and it's
like this, it's like a flat linefor so long and then suddenly
it spikes up.
And that's how I think.
True, change works in our livesin so many ways, like you'd put
a little bit of effort, alittle bit of effort, a little
bit of effort, you're not seeinganything.
You're not seeing anything.
But those 1% changes over timemeans that you're going to end
(38:16):
up in a completely differentplace in five years, in 10 years
, than if you hadn't done thatwork.
Daniela SM (38:21):
No, I agree completely with you and you know
, I'm one of the persons thatI'm always learning, always want
to grow, always want to be likewhat is the next thing I can
learn?
I was talking to someone thatsays, well, and how many of your
friends or people that you knowaround are working on
themselves?
And then I stop and I realized,yes, not too many really.
(38:46):
Maybe I'm in the wrong villageor something like that, but it's
true that we talk a lot youhear in social media, coaches,
everywhere, and I don't thinkthat there is enough people
working on themselves.
I don't know.
Hannah Tackett (38:54):
I think that people get caught up in the
busyness trap, feel like theydon't have the time or that it's
not important.
A lot of people are caught inthe same trap.
I was where.
I was like well, I need to work, I need to make money, I need
to do all these things all daylong and I don't have time to
work on myself, which is nottrue.
We all have the time.
It's just a matter of carvingit out and getting it back.
Daniela SM (39:14):
Yes, that's true, you have no kids and your time
is busy.
You have the kids and you feedit.
And then you know, thingschange and you keep feeding it.
And then sometimes you know nowour kids are older.
Yes, and so then you know, nowour kids are older and somehow
it is because you know time isan illusion.
Right, like we created it, itdoesn't exist.
(39:35):
The days are not going to getany bigger, but you can fit it
in if you are productive.
Right, it is aboutprioritization.
Hannah Tackett (39:50):
Yeah.
Daniela SM (39:51):
Yeah, and, and, and it's.
I mean it's.
It's true that time doesn'texist right, Like some people
say, oh it fast, it passes sofast, and some people say fast,
so slow, so it just depends.
So I don't know.
It's true, we can do it, and Idon't know if it's a matter of
being organized, if it's amatter of having discipline.
Do you think these things arenecessary?
Hannah Tackett (40:11):
I love to be organized, but you don't have to
be organized.
I think that having a clearunderstanding of what matters to
you and being able to say no tothings that are not going to
move that needle is really kindof the pivotal understanding.
Daniela SM (40:25):
Yes, yes, that's true.
So, hannah, anything else thatyou want to add that it can
serve you here I think if Ileave a last word, it's that you
are the linchpin of your life.
Hannah Tackett (40:37):
Making time for yourself, investing in yourself
, doing the work will get youexponential results in your home
, in your business, in yourcareer.
So it's worth understandingthat and knowing that.
Don't put yourself last on thelist.
Daniela SM (40:50):
Yes, investing in yourself is vital and, again, we
didn't grow up thinking thatway.
That's why we're here in thisworld.
I keep saying that we're hereto know who we are, to figure it
out who we are, to makeourselves happy, and not
necessarily with the materialstuff but just getting to know
who we are Exactly.
Yes, so we are going to put allthe information about how to
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reach you and also if you sharethat list of seven things that
you can do on the show notes.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
I really enjoy our conversation.
Hannah Tackett (41:20):
Absolutely.
Thank you for having me.
It was such an honor.
Daniela SM (41:23):
Yes, thank you, thank you.
Thank you.
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