Whispers of Strength: A Veterinarian's Story of Overcoming Trauma and Discovering a Path of Resilience - Dr. Margit Gabriele Muller : 100 - BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS A STORY "BEHAS"

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Daniela (00:00):
Hi, I'm Daniela.
Welcome to my podcast, becauseeveryone has a story, the place
to give ordinary people, stories, the chance to be shared and
preserved.
Our stories become the languageof connections.

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Let's enjoy it, connect andrelate, because everyone has a
story.
Welcome.
Welcome to episode number 100.
Yes, my guest is a special one,dr Margit Gabriele Muller.
Margett is a veterinarian andexecutive director of Abu Dhabi

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Falcon Hospital, one of thebiggest Falcon hospitals in the
world.
She's also an award-winningauthor of the book your Pet,
your Pill and a professionalcertified coach and speaker, and
I really enjoy this episode asit takes us to a fascinating
journey into the world offalconry, where these

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magnificent birds are anintegral part of the Bedouin's
daily life and the special bondbetween the falcons and its
owners.
Margett also shares herinspiring story of overcoming
childhood trauma to become ahighly respected veterinarian.
She talks about how animalshave therapeutic benefits for

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mental health.
Drawing from her own personalexperience as, growing up with a
mother diagnosed withschizophrenia, it was
fascinating to learn how shebecame the first female falcon
doctor in the male-dominatedworld of Arab falconry and where
she is now All the things thatshe has achieved since then.

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I connected with Margettinstantly, and I believe that
people who shares her passionfor animals are truly
exceptional individuals.
It was an honor to have thisepisode.
I hope you enjoyed and learnedas much as I did of topics that
maybe will never cross your path.
Welcome, margett, to the show.

Dr. Margit G Muller (02:11):
Thank you so much, Daniela, for inviting
me.
It's really an honor to be withyou.

Daniela (02:15):
I'm so happy that you're here.
When we met, we couldn't stoptalking.
We wanted to record a long timebefore and life happens for you
especially but finally we'rehere and we are going to have
your story.
Thank you so much.

It's lovely to share my story with your
audience because maybe youraudience can learn a little bit
from my story and get some kindof inspiration out of it.
I think this would be lovely.

Daniela (02:37):
Yes, and that's why you want to share your story,
exactly.

My life was not really easy, but in the end
it shows that you can overcomeso many things and so many
problems, especially alsochildhood trauma, If you try to
process everything and try toprocess the trauma and then
really to move on.
I think that's important tounderstand that there is always
a light at the end of the tunnel.

Daniela (03:00):
Yes, that's amazing.
Thank you, and also I want topoint out that you do have a
German accent and you're fromGermany, from the south, but you
live in Abu.
Dhabi.
Yes, exactly.

I'm here in Abu Dhabi, yes, since 2001,.
It's quite a long time.
It started off really as anadventure here.
I never thought I will end uphere, so it came really out of
the blue.
I think it has been destiny,definitely.

Daniela (03:26):
Yes, excellent, okay, so when did your story start?

Well, actually my story started when I
was eight years old.
My mother was diagnosed withschizophrenia.
This was, you can say, thebiggest impact that I had on my
life, because when you are eightyears old and your mother is
suffering from schizophrenicattacks and you see all of this,
you are not able to process itbecause, yes, your mother is

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your mother, but it's anotherperson talking to you.
It's a completely differentbehavior and it is such a
massive impact that, for example, I had nightmares for more than
20 years, every single night,because I was not able to
process all these experiencesand all what I had seen.
The thing is that at that time,there was no kind of therapy

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for relatives of mentally illpeople.
There was nobody who could help.
So in the end, I had to helpmyself and I had my cute little
pet rabbit and this lovelylittle rabbit helped me so much
because it was there for me.
I could talk to my littlerabbit and it was such a comfort
and the consolation for me.
So it helped me tremendouslyand I think this is where my

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love for animals started andwhere I started to understand
how much they can help usactually.
And later on I had my dog andmy dog helped me and helped also
my mother.
She was just amazing.
Whenever my mother was justahead of an attack, my dog was
putting the paw on her knee andtrying to motivate her to take

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her for a walk to get her out ofthis dangerous situation.
My dog was an incredible helpfor all of us.
So that's how I went into thisfield.
But before I started veterinarymedicine, I actually started two
years human medicine.
At that time I did it because Ithought I cannot euthanize an
animal.
But later on I realized that Istarted human medicine because I

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thought that I couldn't help mymother enough at that time when
she was so ill.
And my mother always said Ihelped her tremendously, but I
didn't feel it actually.
So that's how I started humanmedicine.
It was a kind of feeling ofguilt and it was an unconscious
guilt that I had and I was noteven realizing that.

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But after two years I somehow Irealized that that's not the
right thing for me.
So I changed to veterinarymedicine and this has always
been perfect for me.
I sailed through the studies.
It was, it was amazing.
And then I did my PhD inveterinary medicine on falcon
medicine and in 2001,.

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They called me from Abu Dhabi,the Abu Dhabi falcon hospital,
and offered me a job as aveterinarian here.
So I didn't know them.

Daniela (06:10):
Wait, how did you decide that you wanted to
specialize on falcons?

I'm fascinating because in our
studies we had in the avianclinic.
We had some kind of injuredbirds of prey that came for
rehabilitation and I you knowit's like when you look in these
little black eyes of falcons,it's just it's like a virus
that's catching you and doesn'tlet you go.
So it was just amazing.

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I love them on the spot and andI really wanted to know more
about them.
I wanted to learn more aboutthem.
So I did an internship aboutfalcon medicine and then this in
the end I saw a lot of falconsthat had problems with their
feet, like infected feet, andthis was really bad.
So this became my PhD topic.
So I did my PhD on a fooddisease in falcons.

Daniela (07:02):
Where were they?
Because you were in still inGermany.
So where were all these Falcons?

Well, actually this was.
I did it in Germany at MunichUniversity, but the internships,
the actual research part, wasdone in Dubai.
There was a small privatefalcon clinic at that time very,
very small, and I did all thepractical part there.
So I did all my research thereand the theory I did it in
Germany.
And then when I finished I said, Okay, if you know only about

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falcons, you can never survivein Germany or in Europe.
So I specialized in veterinarydentistry, so I'm also a dentist
for animals and I specialize inveterinary homeopathy.
So I do a lot of homeopathictreatments for my animals.

Daniela (07:44):
And then in two, because in Germany they're very
big at homeopathic things.

Oh yes, it's like it's the cradle of
homeopathy actually, and thebeautiful thing is that there is
no placebo effect in animals,because they don't know if they
get an antibiotic, a painkilleror a homeopathic remedy.
So it's amazing how you can seehow it really works.
So no discussion in animalsabout that.

Daniela (08:10):
I see how interesting A good point that you bring that
that they can see a placeboeffect that doesn't work for
them.
Yes, True.

And for example, when I give here, when
I give falcons homeopathicmedicines, because we have no no
, let's say conservativemedicines for kidney or liver
problems in falcons, becausewhatever exists, let's say, in
dogs and cats, it'scontraindicated.
So you don't have any medicines.
So when I use homeopathicmedicines I check again the
blood parameters after two orthree weeks or I do another

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endoscopy after that time.
You can see, for example, inthe endoscopic picture how the
liver has improved and how theblood parameters have improved.
So that's what I mean.
There is no placebo effect.
It actually works and you canreally see it with the results
that you have.
And I mean when you have ablood result, it is an
independent result.
It's nothing that's that givesway to interpretation.

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You just have your value.
It really shows how much theyimprove.
So it really worked.
I've saved a lot of falconswith homeopathic medicines,
because it's just amazing howreally beneficial they are for
for not just falcons, foranimals in general.

Daniela (09:21):
Talking about that homeopathic, you know a lot of
people don't believe in that,and so if you, you will say that
you can fix the falcon or helpthe falcon.
Can you help the dog as well,like it doesn't matter, right?

It doesn't matter, it works for all of them
.
And, as I said, let's say, whenyou have blood parameters that
are very high, for example, veryelevated, because there is a
major problem, and then you givethem homeopathic medicines and
you check them again, let's sayafter three weeks, and you see
that all these parameters havedecreased, then it's very clear

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from where it comes, because youhave only given homeopathic
medicines.
So this means these are thehomeopathic medicines and
nothing else, because thedisease cannot just disappear on
its own.
That's simply not possible.
But like this you can reallysee the difference and you also
see how the animal is improvingphysically, how they are more
active, how they start to eatmore, how they are moving more.

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So it's a big difference, a bigchange.
Actually, that's beautiful tosee and I know that a lot of
people have some kind ofprejudice against homeopathic
medicines, but from my personalexperience they are just amazing
and honestly I take them myself.
Like I have some allergies andbefore my doctor put me on a

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cortisone and antistaminics andit was just going on and on and
then I said this can't be theresult and that we cannot go on
like this.
So now I'm using my homeopathicmedicines, my homeopathic
antistaminics and it worksperfectly no more cortisone, no
more antistaminics normalantistaminics and I have it

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completely under control.
So it works, but you need toknow what you're doing.

Daniela (11:04):
Yes, yes, and why do you think that Germany is so
good at homeopathic doctors?
However, it hasn't taken inother countries, especially in
North America.

It's true, I think that Germans are pretty
much open-minded.
I know people think we are not,but we are pretty much
open-minded and we think thatwhatever helps is good either
for humans or for animals.
And we are still very muchconnected also with nature and

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like natural remedies, herbalremedies, and there is a long
history of using them.
So I believe that's why a lotof real good homeopathic
remedies are actually comingfrom Germany, and I mean, the
father of homeopathy is aHanuman, so that's really
something which comes from thatcountry.
Yeah, it's quite sad that itdidn't take off in some other

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countries like North America,because they are hugely
beneficial.
They make such a positiveimpact.
It's beautiful to see.

Daniela (12:07):
Great.
So you had your PhD and youdidn't think that you were going
to have a job in Germany, to beso specific, on Falcons feet.
So what happened?
What did you decide you werestudying more.
And then what happened?

Yeah, actually I studied more and
that's why I went into dentistryand homeopathy.
Then I was offered a job inSwitzerland at a university to
teach dentistry and at the sametime they called me from Abu
Dhabi, from the Abu Dhabi FalconHospital, and offered me a job
as a veterinarian.
And the funny thing was, youknow, first I thought it's a
prank, because I didn't applyfor the job, I didn't know them
even, I had no clue about them.

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But it turned out it was real.
Then I said, okay, let me gofor an adventure, I will go for
one year, then I have a goodexperience and that's it.
Now this one year becameactually now 22 years.
So it's quite a long time.
But it was very difficult in thebeginning because I was the
first female veterinarian andfirst Westerner veterinarian who

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worked in this Falcon field.
And you know, you have toimagine, especially at that time
, two decades ago, everythingwas very conservative.
They were not used to have awoman there who knew what she's
doing as a vet.
There was so much resistance,not just among the Falconers but
also among the staff.
So more or less there wasresistance from all different
angles.
It was really, really hard andthat's where you can say the

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resilience that I got through mymother's disease really, yeah,
came to my advantage, because ithelped me to really overcome
all these obstacles and hurdles,and it was so difficult.
If I would have known howdifficult it is, I'm not sure if
I would have done it, butthat's why we don't know what
comes up in the future.
I started as a veterinarian andafter half a year I became the

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boss of the clinic.
So this means I became incharge of the Falcon hospital.
And this made it even worse,because now it was not just that
the staff had problems with me,but now I was their boss.
They had to follow my orders.
I changed everything in thishospital because I had a good
knowledge from Germany.
I knew what's working, what'snot working.

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More or less, I turned itupside down and then I brought
all these homeopathic thingswith me and it was the complete
shock for everybody.
So it took a long time for themto really understand what I'm
doing here and to accept it andto understand that, yeah, the
Falcons are surviving now.
So that's how things started toimprove when all these

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emergency Falcons came and theystarted to survive.

Daniela (14:31):
There has to be somebody who believe in you,
because if nobody liked you, thestaff was against you.
The people who owned theFalcons.
They were all skeptical aboutwho was she, so who actually
kept you there and also promotedyou?

Well, it was actually, you can say, like
the chairman of the hospital.
I didn't know him at that time,but he heard of me.
It seems he knew about theresearch I had been doing on
this Falcon feed.
That's how he thought,obviously, that I'm the right
person for this job.
At that time, the hospital wasnot doing very well, so he told
me okay, you bring it up, youhave one year.
If this doesn't work, otherwisewe might be closing it.

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So I had a responsibility for alot of families I mean, it was
not just the staff, but theyhave extended families of 10, 20
family members or even more.
So it was a huge responsibilityand I wanted to bring it up to
give all those families a chanceto live a better life and to
have a stable life, a stableincome where they can build

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their future on, where they cansend their children for good
education and they can give themhigher education and this was
always very, very important forme Plus, as well as to provide
the best possible medical carefor Falcons, because I wanted to
improve their overall livingstandards and their health
conditions.
So it's really nice to see howthings have improved.

Daniela (15:51):
That sounds really great.
And what was it that theFalcons were not getting?
What is the people were notdoing?

Well, they were not used to a hospital like
ours because it was new.
So they thought this hospitalis only there for Falcons that
are critically ill, like noteating since two or three weeks,
and of course by that time theFalcon is in such a bad
condition that it's almostimpossible that they can survive
.
They didn't understand that ahospital is there also for

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preventive examinations to keepthem healthy, not just to treat
the critically ill Falcons.
That's where I started tochange their mindset.
I started to introducepreventive examinations,
pre-purchase examinations beforethey buy the Falcon, that we
check them.
Now it's so nice to see when theFalcons come and they say, oh,

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I bring my Falcon to you today.
My wife takes my son to thedoctor.
Then I say why are you notaccompanying your wife and your
son?
Then they say yeah, because Ineed to take care of my Falcon.
I mean this says everything.
I mean it's nice to see how,not just how important the
Falcon is it's like a child,it's much more than a cat or dog

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in a Western culture but alsohow much they care for those
Falcons and they really lovethem and that's so beautiful to
see.

Daniela (17:07):
Can you describe a little bit of, as you said, the
Western culture?
We have cats and dogs, so howis that with the Falcons?
I cannot imagine having one,and what would I do with them.
So how is the mentality overthere in Abu Dhabi?
It's totally different.

You know, often it's displayed in Western
media that the Falcon is astatus symbol and only rich
people are having Falcons.
But it's not like this, becausehistorically, falconry here in
the Middle East, and especiallyin Abu Dhabi and the United Arab
Emirates Falconry has alwaysbeen a necessity for the
Bedouins to survive in thedesert, because the Falcon was

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hunting the meat that the familywas eating.
So it was not a sport like it's, for example, in America or in
Europe.
It has never been considered asa sport here.
It has always been a means ofsurvival.
For this reason, the Falcon wasintegrated in the Bedouins'
family and they have the sameposition, like a son or a

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daughter.
They live with the family.
They have their own place inthe living room.
Many of them sleep in thebedroom of their owner.
Yes, thank you Alicia.
Yes, they have their own placein the bedroom.
They have their own place inthe car.
Nobody will ever dare to sit onthis car seat which is reserved
for the Falcon.
So, yeah, they are part of thefamily and that's beautiful to

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see.
So it has nothing to do with astatus symbol.
They are really on the samelevel.
Yeah, like a child.
That's why you can say, thisbond between the Falcon and the
Falcon is so strong and it's amutual bond.
It's not just that the Falconerreally loves his Falcon, but
also the Falcon lives with thefamily, the Falcon lives with

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the Falconer.
It is a mutual affection andthat is so nice to see.
It's not just because of food,what a lot of people say.
It's not just because of that.
They know their owner, theyrecognize them.
When they see the Falconer,they start to move, they make
some sounds.
So they really know it's theirowner and they really love each

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other.
So that's beautiful to see.

Daniela (19:11):
Wow, that's so interesting.
Thank you for the lesson.
I have no idea that this waslike that.
Wow, that's really cool.
That's really really fun.
Every family has one.
All those families that comefrom Bedouin tribes.

They all have Falcons until today, which
means it goes through all socialclasses, from the royal family
up to very, very normal people.
And it's also a kind of socialbonding, because you know, when
you're sitting around thefireplace it doesn't matter what
kind of social class you comefrom, you're just all together.
You're a Falconer with yourFalcon.
That's the beauty of it.

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This is really a kind of socialget-together.
It's so nice to see that allthese different classes they are
just not existing in Falconry.
That's so amazing.
How long does a Falcon leaveNow?
Because we do all thesepreventive examinations nowadays
they live between 15 to 18 or20 years, so it's much more.
When I came here, maximum 12 to15, but life expectancy has

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increased a lot because we checkthem routinely, at least once
or twice a year or sometimeseven more often, so we can
detect problems in a very earlystage.

Daniela (20:17):
People have to wear something on the arm.
Is it not dangerous to Likepeople are a?

bit scared of them.
I love this question.
No, it's a very good questionbecause a lot of people think
this.
Now, it's not like you havethose chokers in the park where
the crows jump on them and theyattack.
No, it's not like this.
A Falcon will never attack ahuman, because they do not
regard humans as a predator oras an enemy.
So they would never attack them.

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The only exception would be,let's say, a mother that's
sitting on the eggs or takingcare of the chicks, because she
needs to defend.
That's her job, that's what shehas to do.
But normally a Falcon willnever, let's say, jump in your
face or attack you or bite you,because they don't look at you
in this way.
What you said is correct.
You have a glove on your lefthand, on your left arm, because

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the talons of the Falcons arevery sharp.
So if you just hold them likethis on your arm, it can be
quite painful.
So that's why we have thisleather glove, just to protect
ourselves.

Daniela (21:14):
But then you're saying that some people sleep with them
, so am I having socks with itfor the Falcons?

I love that .
No, they are sitting on a perchnext to the bed, so the Falcon
sleeps in his bed, and thenthere is this little perch
direct next to the bed and theFalcon sits on this and sleeps.
So they are together, but notin the same bed.

Daniela (21:35):
The Falcons fly or walk in, like if he's from the
living room to the dining roomor something in the house will
be walking or flying.

No, usually the owner will take him from
one room to another.
Oh, okay, yes, so they arealways with the owner.
Wherever the owner goes, hewill take him on his arm and
they go.

Daniela (21:52):
So you're constantly having that protector in your
arm Quite a lot of the times.
Yes, exactly, wow, interesting,wow, what a different thing
that I had no idea of.
How fascinating.

It's a different world, that's true.

Daniela (22:06):
Yes, different world, for sure.
Wow, all right.
When did they started to changethe staff?
When did they start to realize,oh, this is good, she's
wonderful, we should support hermore than not what happened?

Well, actually I started changing the
staff quite in the beginningbecause it was clear that they
cannot live up to myexpectations, and then I trained
the new staff according to thelevel I wanted to have them.
It's a brilliant team.
I mean, most of my people arewith me for about 20 years now
and it's like a family, which isnice to see.
As a team, we have built thishospital together to become the

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largest hospital for Falcons inthe world.
It's also not just the largestFalcon hospital in the world, it
is also an internationalinstitution.
Now we have even a trainingprogram for veterinary students
and veterinarians who come fromall over the world to us.
We had trainees from more than42 countries now.
So it's quite a lot.
It's nice to see how it hasgrown, but it has not just only

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grown in this direction.
It has also grown that we areone of the main tourism
attractions in the Abu DhabiEmirate.
Now we have opened it forguests, for tourists, to
understand the world of Falconsand Falconry.
We even had a lot of VIPscoming, like Queen Camilla came
to us before and PresidentGeorge W Bush, because it is so
unique, it is so specialactually.

Daniela (23:24):
But you must have a big team because you came up with
all these ideas.
It was a hospital that maybewas going to close in a year if
you didn't bring it up.

Yes, now it's a team of about 140 staff.
Wow, yeah, it has grown a lot,and before when you started,
when we started, we had around18 staff all together.
Wow, we became quite big overthe years.

Daniela (23:47):
Incredible.
So all these ideas about okay,let's do a training session or
let's open it to the public camefrom people meeting together
and say why don't we do this?
Or it was your suggestion.
How did that happen?

We were gathering ideas and then in the
end, it was mainly my idea andof my deputy.
We worked together also sincethe beginning and we discussed
how we can implement it, how wecan do it.
Then we started to implementingthese ideas and then we started
to refine those ideas over theyears to improve it, to change

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it.
We were listening to what ourcustomers said.
Then we changed it in a way tomake them happier and to include
more.
Yeah, this is how it haschanged over the years and how
it has grown in a good way.

Daniela (24:29):
But this is because you wanted to make more profit, or
is this because you thoughtthere was more potential?

It was because I knew there is much
more potential.
And then, of course, with thepotential came also the profit.
But people don't know so muchabout Falcons and Falconry and
once they see it and theyexperience it, it is changing
their mindset.
Not just to experience it, butwhen they go back to their home
countries, for example, theywill understand Falconry in a
completely different way,because it opens up their mind

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and they are not having thoseprejudices against Falconry as a
blood sport and all thesethings, because they understand
what it really means.
So it's a kind of you'respreading the word, not just
here, but you do it on aninternational level, and that's
what I have always liked.
And in the same time, I alsobelieve it's good to share your
knowledge.
I mean we have such anincredible knowledge here.

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Nobody else has this kind ofknowledge because we have so
many Falcons here.
I mean we treat more than11,000 Falcons a year.
This means it's such a hugepool of knowledge that I think
it's good to share it with thosetrainees from other countries,
to spread this knowledge and tohelp Falcons in other countries
as well.
I mean that's why I've writtena book about Falcon Medicine as
well to spread the knowledge,because the more we spread the

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knowledge, the more we can helpand save Falcons in other
countries as well.

Daniela (25:48):
But how is it that Saudi or other Arab countries
that also have Falcons, how comethey don't have a facility like
yours or as good as yours?

They're having now some Falcon hospitals
there and Falcon clinics.
But you need to have a kind ofintuition for the Falcon it's
not just you treat it like a cowor a horse or a cat or a dog.
You need to feel, you need tosense what's the problem.
And this is definitely anintuition that I have.
And sometimes I look at aFalcon and I say, oh sure, there

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is a problem.
We need to start checking thisbird and we do an X-ray and we
do blood tests and in the end wealways find something.
And then my team asks how didyou know that she has a problem?
And she looked good and she wasbig and she was fat and there
was no sign.
I cannot even describe it.
I just know that she had aproblem.
So I have a very good intuitionand this definitely helped to

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diagnose a lot of Falcons and toreally go to the root cause of
the problem.

Daniela (26:47):
Well, that makes you indispensable, Yet that makes
you always have to be there, andthen you have no life for other
things, right?

I think nobody is indispensable in this
life.
I believe it is somethingspecial.
It is something very, veryunique.
I'm a kind of lifelong learner.
I always believe there is stillso much more out there what we
can do.
That's why, you know, I cannever stand still, because I
know there is still so much morewhat I can do.

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And that's how I went into thiscoaching field and why I'm
going to do this coaching withanimals as well.
So I believe there is so muchmore that we can do, not just
only for Falcons or animals ingeneral, even for people.
Even they can benefit from thisconnection that we have with
animals.
And that's how I went into thecoaching field, especially also

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with my own experience with mymother and my rabbit and my dog,
because I saw how much animalscan help us.
That's where I went into thiscoaching field, and I think it's
also very important to look atthings from a different point of
view than what we are usuallydoing.
So, yeah, I think it'simportant not just to stand

(28:02):
still and to say, okay, I haveachieved all of this, and that's
where I stop, because themoment we stop, yeah, then
that's the end.
You know, I think we can alwaysimprove ourselves.
We can always strive for newthings where we can help others.
I think that is extremelyimportant in my eyes.
That's also what I have learnedwhen my mother was ill.

(28:23):
It's not just that you say youhave reached to a certain level
and you stop there and that's it.
There is always so much morewhat you can do to help others
or to serve others, and that'ssomething very important, and
that's definitely one of thedrivers that's pushing me
forward, I see.

Daniela (28:42):
And definitely I understand that.
You can really only imagine howhard it must have been with
your mom.
A question for you just is shein bed now?
She just got the episodes andthere were.
She moved away from that.

No, she was suffering for more than 40
years and she spent a lot oftime in clinics in and out.
Then, 10 years ago, theydeveloped a new medicine for
schizophrenia and injection.
She got this injection and nowshe's able to live a really good
life.
She's completely under controlnow and she didn't have to go

(29:14):
back to the hospital anymore inthose last 10 years.
So it's really good to see thatshe has a real quality of life
now and she deserves it so much.
When I look at her and she hasbeen so strong over all those
years because it was so hard forher Now she's a place where she
has a lot of peace, where she'sas healthy as she can be

(29:38):
because of that new medication.
It also shows us that we shouldnever give up hope, because
that's a newly developedmedicine that didn't exist in 23
years ago.
She had to go through very, verydifficult times we with her,
but we never let her down.
We had been always a very, verystrong family.
We had always supported her andI believe nobody wants to be

(30:02):
ill in such a way.
Nobody wants to have aschizophrenia or any kind of
mental disease.
It's not our fault if we haveit.
This makes it even moreimportant that the family stands
together.
Doesn't let a patient down,because you need to have a
strong hold, a real strong bond,also inside the family, because

(30:23):
it's so hard for the patientitself to have this disease and
to change so much, like in thecase of schizophrenia.
I mean, it's a different world,she's a different person, but
in the same time, we never lether down because it's not her
fault.
Everybody can get such a kindof disease.
Nobody wishes it, but each oneof us can get something like

(30:48):
this.
We need to be much moretolerant and much more
understanding and much morecompassionate with patients with
mental illness.
After I've seen, like in hercase, she suffered for so many
years and she really suffered alot, but she never gave up hope.
She always had hope for abetter life and because of that

(31:08):
new medicine that she's gettingnow she has a better life, a
much better life, and shedeserves it so much.
You cannot imagine how much shecherishes each single day where
she's okay and we with her as afamily.
That's why I really want alsoto share my story with your
audience, because it shows thateven if you are so much down and

(31:29):
you are in such a difficultsituation, like my mother, or we
with her as a family, becauseit's so painful to see how
somebody suffers with this kindof disease, with mental illness.
In the end it really breaksyour heart and there is only so
much you can do.
But when you see that, forexample, like in her case, a new

(31:50):
medicine gets developed and nowshe has a new lease of life and
she can live a worse life, adignified life, I think that is
so beautiful to see and that'swhat I want to share.
We should never give up hope,Need to change our mindset with
regard to mental illness and weshould always think about

(32:11):
ourselves.
Each one of us can get it.
How would we like to be treatedif we would get it?
That's the way how we shouldtreat those patients.
They need much more acceptancein our society.
It slowly starts, but it'sstill not enough.
Yet.
It's still not enough.
That's why I went into thismental health coaching actually

(32:33):
because I've experienced thisfor so many years and I have
seen how deep a trauma is, and Ihave been traumatized myself
because I've seen so manyattacks that my mother had and I
wasn't able to process this.
So in the end it went into mysubconscious mind.

(32:55):
I just kept going and goingover the years but I never
really went down to processthose experiences, to free
myself from those experiences,and actually I only did it when
I started my coaching educationand I went into this mental
health coaching, started toapply those different coaching

(33:15):
tools to myself, and this wasthe time when I realized how
deeply traumatized I was myselfas a relative of a mentally ill
person, and how I have been.
I kept going for so many yearswithout really taking care of
myself because I could neverreach to my subconscious mind.
And when I did it and I healedit step by step.

(33:39):
Even for me now it gives me acompletely different quality of
life To start to processtraumatic experiences and that's
why I'm so yeah, I'm so muchstressing the point to go down
to the root cause.
Only when we are able to accessthe root cause and to process

(33:59):
those experiences of this rootcause, Only then we can free
ourselves and it's a liberation.
It's incredible when you areable to do that.
That's why I think especiallylike mental health coaching is
so helpful, not for people whoare mentally ill as a diagnosed
patient, but for those peoplewho are having non-clinical
mental problems and concerns.

(34:22):
It's so helpful, because thishelp is it is immeasurable.
When you are able to heal theroot cause, then only you can
live a life that's worth living.
It changes everything for you.

Daniela (34:34):
And I'm glad that you mentioned this.
It's true that people alwaysthink about the person who has a
mental illness, but they forgetabout the person who lived with
the mental illness, which isthe same as a caregiver.
We always think about theperson who is sick and we forget
about the caregivers.
I think that everybody needs tobe educated in one way or
another.
The stigma would take too manyyears.
We were the right path, but Ithink we're still very behind

(34:56):
about this.

Yes, I think we are still in the
beginning of this path.
And what you said about stigma,I completely agree with you,
because when I started with mycoaching education and I started
to process those experiences Icouldn't even mention before
that my mother suffered fromschizophrenia.
I couldn't even say the wordbecause I was so traumatized.
And then when I started, peoplesaid to me don't mention this.

(35:20):
Oh, this is such a horribledisease.
People will look down at youand it will damage your career.
And you see how much stigma isstill in all this mental illness
issue and I think this stigmahas to be broken.
It needs to change, but itneeds a lot of time.
It needs people who have thecourage to stand up and to say,

(35:44):
yes, I have the disease, or I ama relative of somebody who has
a mental illness, because it'snothing wrong, it's not your
fault, it's not my fault, it'snobody's fault, and it can
affect everyone and that's whatpeople need to understand.
If it is a physical disease,like a broken leg or a cancer,
people have much more compassionas if it is a mental illness,

(36:07):
and that is sad and thisdefinitely has to change.

Daniela (36:10):
I was hoping in many, many aspects of our life that
all generation, which is the Xgeneration, will be better and
we are tiny better, and so Ihave no idea when we are going
to move forward even more.
But I hope that I am alive tosee the time, because I want to
be with the movements ofopenness, accepting more and

(36:34):
integrating people rather thanpushing or secretive or not
saying things how it's supposedto be.
So I hope I can be alive to seethat.

I totally agree with you, daniela.
What I found really shockingwhen I started with all this
mental health coaching and Ireally went deep into it and I
have now developed this it's aprogram called Deep Inner
Transformation within 30 days togo down to the root cause of
trauma.
When I started doing all this,I found it shocking how many
people have traumaticexperiences or are really

(37:06):
suffering, not in a clinical way, but in a.
They have mental healthconcerns but they don't dare to
speak out.
They are ashamed because thestigma is there.
They cannot talk to anybody,they cannot even process this
trauma.
Sometimes they don't evenunderstand how much they're
traumatized, because it is notsomething that people talk about

(37:27):
.
It is not something thatsociety likes to talk about,
because it's not an easy subjectand it can have so many reasons
.
It can be child to trauma, itcan be something that you have
seen.
But in the end, when you livewith this kind of trauma, no
matter from where it comes, youhave to treat the root cause,
because we all deserve to live adignified life, a life without

(37:50):
pain, without hurt, without allthese buried emotions.
What is wrong in speaking out tosay that I'm not 100% okay?
Yes, when somebody is askingyou how are you?
Oh, I'm okay, I'm fine.
No, we are not always fine, sowhy do we not say that we are
not always fine?
We have a right to do that.
That's what people need tounderstand.

(38:11):
We have a right to say we arenot okay and to look for help,
to look for support, becauseonly then we can live a life
that's free of these buriedemotions, of this pain, of this
hurt that we are having, torelieve the burdens that we
carry.
Think about it.
How many times people say youknow, I have these heavy burdens

(38:33):
on my shoulders.
That's the correct word.
Because the burden that's deep,deep inside of them, in their
subconscious mind.
It creates those problems intheir shoulders because it is
too heavy for them to carry.
They need to relieve it.
I have recorded a meditationhow to access those deeply
buried feelings, and it'sactually on my website,
wwwcoachformentalhealth.

(38:54):
Because so many people cannoteven connect with their inner
feelings.
They cannot even connect withthose emotions that are so deep
inside of them.
And once you are able toconnect, everything changes.
It's like everything getstransformed.
It's so powerful when you seehow it's changing people.
It's so beautiful to seeDaniela and it makes such a

(39:17):
positive impact, and that's whatI mean.
You know there is so much morethat we can do, but we have to
bring the topics out there.
As you say, we need to tacklethe stigma problem, because only
then people can live life'sworst living.

Daniela (39:32):
Yes.
So let's go back to you.
I mean, we're talking about you, but more about the stories.
You were working really hard,but there is a moment where you
decided to write a book.
Oh yes, I wrote a book.

Actually, I wrote four books in total, but
one is a special one.
That's called your Pat, yourPill 101 inspirational stories
about how pets lead you to ahappy, healthy and successful
life.
Because through my ownexperiences with my rabbit when
I was young, my dog and all theother animals I had, I saw the
amazing impact pets have on ourlives, and it's all supported by

(40:06):
science.
It's not just that we feelbetter when we play with our dog
or we pet our cat.
It is supported by science.
It's not just dogs and catsthat help us.
There are so many other animals.
Even fish can help us, forexample, for people that are
suffering from dementia orAlzheimer's, just to look at a
fish tank is improving theircognitive function.

(40:26):
This is just amazing.
So I wrote this book because Ilove animals, but I also want to
help people.
So this brought it all togetherwhere I thought, yes, I want to
show people how yeah, howanimals can help us and how they
can heal us physically, butalso mentally, even our soul.
That's so beautiful to see, andit's lovely to see that this

(40:48):
book got many awards in America,because I think it is an
important topic.
We need to look at animals, allkinds of animals, from a
different point of view.
It's not just nice to have adog because you go for a walk,
or you have a cat so you're notlonely.
They are like our pill.
That's why I called it your pet, your pill, because they are

(41:08):
like the best medicine that wecan find.
That's really amazing when yousee what they can really do for
us, when we open our minds andlook at them not just as a pet
but as somebody who can changeour life to the better.

Daniela (41:20):
It's interesting that you bring that topic depending
on the culture.
Like in South America, where Igrew up, dogs were just outside,
also, the weather helps, butyou don't bring them inside, you
don't buy them clothes, youdon't buy them special food.
Also, they were eating more rawmeat and stuff and they're
usually in the streets.
While you come to North Americaand it's totally the opposite,

(41:40):
they have birthdays for the dogsand they take the dogs like
their children and they havebakeries for dogs or they're
extreme.
But beyond that you're sayingthat it has also another
significance that perhaps inboth cultures we are missing it
a little bit.

Yes, absolutely, and I mean there had
been even studies.
For example, if somebody has aheart attack after one year, for
example, only 3% of them passaway when they have a dog,
compared to more than 20% ifthey don't have.
So even they can prolong ourlife and that's scientifically
proven.
They can reduce our blood sugar.

(42:14):
They help us to reduce thestress hormones, they increase
our happy hormones.
It's not just that we believeit, it is changing even our
hormonal system, our immunesystem.
It helps really to support whenwe have diseases.
That is so amazing becausethat's what we don't think
usually.
Who will think that a fish in afish tank can help improve

(42:37):
cognitive function ofAlzheimer's patients?
Nobody will believe that if youjust say it.
But it's science.
Science has proven it.
So it shows how even a tinylittle fish can help us.
It doesn't even have to be adog or a cat, it can be a small
bird, it can be a fish.

Daniela (42:53):
Well, yeah, that's super interesting.
I had no idea of that.
How do you have time to managea hospital and with all these
different branches that thehospital does, and also write
four books and then get intocoaching and studying and
getting to more courses?
Usually people have to alwayslearn, but when you have the
time, I know you said you canstay still.

(43:15):
However, tell me more.

Well, my day has 24 hours and I use them
wisely.
But for me, yes, I always haveto strive.
When I started with coachingand actually the main reason why
I came into this Dr Wendayacame to the hospital.
The famous author andmotivation is speaking.
He came to the hospital and Ishowed him around and we had a

(43:44):
nice talk and then he said youhave so much love to give.
You are the love.
You can do so much more and youcan give so much more.
This was the beginning, when Istarted thinking it's not just
animal, it is the connectionbetween animals and humans, and
humans are also suffering, notjust the animals.
That's how I went into thiscoaching in the end.

(44:04):
It inspired me so much anduntil today I always have these
words in my mind.
Then I started with coaching.
I started with live coaching,but it wasn't really 100% for me
until I went into this mentalhealth coaching and this was
like bang, it was just perfectfor me.
Then I always had the feelingstill something is missing.
It's like a puzzle and there isalways a small piece of the

(44:26):
puzzle missing.
I continued with NLP andmeditation, mindfulness.
Then I went into hypnotherapy,past life regression therapy,
and then it all came together.
Plus, I'm also doing courseguided empowerment and special
equine assisted learning.
It all comes together now it'sthis mental health part plus the

(44:50):
animal part.
That's what I want to do alsomore in the future, because I
have horses.
I want to work with them muchmore, to work in this kind of
drama, coaching with the horses,because there is so much more
what we can do and people needto become much more aware of the
benefits the animals can have.
In this case also, the horsescan have for us.

(45:11):
It is just amazing how they cansense what's wrong with us, how
they can help us to open up,because a lot of people cannot
even talk about the experiences,but when they are with the
horses, the horses help them toopen up in a way that is almost
impossible for humans.
The horses are really stunning,I mean because they are fear
and flight.

(45:31):
They have this special kind ofhypervigilance which means they
can really sense what's going oninside of us.
They have an amazing intuition.
They can even sense things thatare happening inside of us that
we cannot even understand or wecannot detect Highly sensitive
animals.
It is amazing how they can evendetect if there is something

(45:53):
wrong with us.
I mean, for example, somepeople have really deep seated
drama and really deeply buriedemotions.
For example, the horse mighttouch them somewhere in the
tummy area or in the chest orheart area because they can
connect with it.
That's amazing to see becausewe always look at such a big
animal and it's a veryimpressive animal, a horse I

(46:16):
mean.
But when you imagine howsensitive they are and they can
really feel what's going oninside of us and they can even
connect through a kind ofenergetic field.
Even if we are not touchingthem, even if they are just a
bit away in front of us, thereis an energetic field.
They can still feel ourheartbeat, they can feel our

(46:37):
energy and it's connecting withthem.
That's why horses are really,really special and they are very
much unique in this kind oftrauma healing.
That's what I want to do muchmore in the future to bring it
all together.

Daniela (46:50):
But you didn't know these about the horses before
because you were concentratingon the falcons.
When did you discover that thehorses were also important?

I had always been a horse lover
actually I have horses on my ownbut when I went into coaching
actually, then somehow I wentinto this kind of equine
assisted coaching, horsecoaching, trauma coaching.
The more I learned, the moreamazing I found.
I mean, it's just stunning whenyou think about it.
So I find it totallyfascinating, and it's not just

(47:20):
because I love horses, it's justbecause there is really a kind
of special connection betweenhorses and humans.
I have, for example, onespecial mare and she's so
sensitive it is amazing.
One time I was out with her inthe field and a huge
thunderstorm came just out ofthe blue within one second.
I mean when we left we didn'tknow.

(47:40):
So actually she could sensethat a branch of a tree would
fall down in front of me.
So she stopped me actually onmoving forward.
If I would have walked ahead,the branch would hit me directly
.
So she really protected mebecause she could sense the
danger.
So that's what I mean.
They are just amazing.
So they can sense things thatwe are not even able to imagine,

(48:02):
to understand or to detect.

Daniela (48:03):
Wow, that's beautiful, and something that I forgot to
ask is the difference betweenfalcons and eagles.

That's a great question.
I'm sure many of your listenersare asking the same question Now
.
Eagles and falcons are bothword of prey species, but there
is a huge difference.
First of all, eagles are much,much bigger.
Usually when you see eagles,like the average, they are about
, yeah, between 2 to 5 or 6kilogram as a weight, which is

(48:32):
around 2, 10, 12 pounds.
Falcons usually weigh between 1to 1.5, maximum 2 kilograms, so
3 to 4 pounds.
And the main difference isactually that falcons are the
only birds of prey that arekilling with the beak.
All other birds of prey, likeeagles, hogs, buzzards, are

(48:55):
killing with their claws, withtheir feet.
So that's the huge difference.
And because of this, falconshave a completely different
anatomy.
They have a special kind ofhook inside their beak.
We call it falcon tooth, likeour teeth.
So it's not true that birdsdon't have teeth.
Falcons have two, a left oneand the right one, because they

(49:15):
are actually killing the preythrough yes, you can say the
power that they can exertthrough the beak, and that's the
huge difference between them.
So whenever you see a bird ofprey lying somewhere on a road
and you take it to a vet and yousee, this has a little hook on
the beak, then it's a falcon ora falcon species.
If it doesn't have it, it'sgoing to be some other kind of

(49:36):
bird of prey.
They are powerful, but as aweight they are much smaller
than an eagle, for example.

Daniela (49:42):
If the claws are not that strong, then why do we need
the protection on your arm?

Because the tip of the talons is very sharp
.
If you just hold them and theygo around your arm, they can
still puncture your arm, so itcould be quite painful actually.
Okay great.

Daniela (49:56):
Thank you for answering that.
I wanted to also go back tosomething that you said before
that you said Wayne Dyer went tosee you, right?
Some people may know that hewas a spiritual teacher and he
wrote many books.
So how was that visit?
Tell me a little bit about that, oh my god, it was such an
incredible visit.

He came to visit the Abu Dhabi falcon
hospital and, of course, becauseI'm the executive director, I
was guiding the tour.
I met him the evening before hedid a speech here in Abu Dhabi
and I went to greet him and Itold him he's coming to me next
day and he said I'm so muchwaiting to see this falcon
hospital.
It's just amazing, I must seeit.
So he came on the next day.

(50:35):
His entourage told me he hasone hour because he has another
appointment later and I saidokay, no problem, I can arrange
it.
It was amazing.
We hit off immediately.
We had such an amazingconnection.
It was like we know each otherfor a very, very long time and
we couldn't stop chatting.
We chatted for three hours.
We finished the two in one hourand then we sat in front of the

(50:56):
hospital on a little bench andwe chatted another two hours
about everything.
And that's when he said to methat you know I'll never forget
those words.
So incredible, how he said, soinspiring.
He said you are the love.
I can feel this love everywherein this place, but it doesn't
matter.
Wherever you go, you willalways take this love with you,

(51:17):
and there is so much more thatyou can do and you can do so
much more with this love.
It was like an inspiration forme.
This actually opened the way tomy coaching journey, because it
was like there had beensomething sleeping inside of me
and he brought it out with thosewords and I understood there is
so much more that I can do.
It's not just that I can treatand heal Falcons.

(51:39):
I should also go beyond and tryto use my intuition, and
definitely also this sensibilitythat I got from my mother's
disease, to use it for thebenefit of people, to help them
heal, to help them recover, tohelp them process their own
trauma.
This was the start of all ofthis, actually, and I still
vividly remember the situationand those words, like it was

(52:02):
just yesterday.
It was so amazing and, yeah, itchanged everything for me.
It opened up a completely newpath, and that's where I am now.

Daniela (52:12):
Yes, that sounds wonderful and we had the same
connection, so it must besomething really special about
you, because I am not way indire.
However, we connectedimmediately and we have
technological issues which Ithink it was meant to the
universe.
So we get to see you two daysin a row, which is super cool.

No, no, but it's right.
From the beginning, you and mewe had such a strong connection,
like we know each other for avery, very long time, and I
think that's something verybeautiful and very rare as well,
because you can meet a lot ofpeople and you never have this
kind of deep emotion, deepconnection, like we have it all,
like I had it with Dr Wendair.

(52:53):
It's just amazing somehow, andit's a gift.
It's, I find, for me, it is agift.
I'm very grateful for that,because it's not something
common actually.

Daniela (53:03):
Yes, that's true, me too.
Going back to the present, soyou are doing the coaching and
you are taking all thesemodalities, including the
regression, which soundsfascinating, yes and then, but
you are also working with horses.
What is next?
What else is there?

Well, I have developed a special program
.
It's called deep innertransformation in 30 days.
It is to help people accesstheir trauma or this emptiness
feeling, whatever they have,those deeply buried emotions,
and through different kind ofmodalities, like a parts work,
which is similar like internalfamily systems work, like inner

(53:43):
child work, nlp, as well ashypnotherapy and regression work
, to help them to access theroot cause of their problem and
to start the healing process, tobring them really to point
where they are able to processthis trauma and then to live a
better life.
It is also accompanied withspecial kind of meditations.

(54:04):
It's on my website,wwwcoachformentalhealthcom.
It helps people to start theirjourney, actually to connect
with their feelings, becausenowadays many of us are so
completely disconnected that wecannot access those deeply
buried emotions anymore.

Daniela (54:20):
So that's what I'm doing, that's the new program I
have developed, and I knowliving in North America that is
very popular, these coachingsand developing oneself.
What about where you are?
How is, in Abu Dhabi, thementality?
Are you helping people fromthere or your clients all over
the world?
How are you finding yourclients?

now the clients are coming from all over
the world, because usually whenpeople are looking to access
their traumatic experiences theygo like for one modality, for
example, just inner child work,but it might not be going deep
enough.
Because that's the main problem.
You cannot just stay on thesurface.
If you have really deeplyburied emotions you have to go

(55:00):
deep, deep down to thesubconscious mind.
The conscious mind is notenough, because mostly they are
deeper, they lie much deeper inthe subconscious mind or even
earlier.
Even I had clients where I didpast life regression and the
problem was not in this life, itwas in a past life.
Not all people might believe inthis.
The problem they carried overfrom their past life to this

(55:20):
life was, in the end itdisappeared after the past
regression sessions.
It's amazing what you can do,and because it can be done
nowadays all virtual, via zoomit is very, very flexible.

Daniela (55:30):
So that's why it's really easy, I see.
Yes, and about the regression,I did that myself after my dad
passed away.
I read the book many life, manymasters from Dr Ryan Rice.
I decided to try that when Iwas in Montreal.
It was amazing, like I hadthings that I wanted to work on
and I didn't think that you hadrelation.
It was something to do with thepast life and I never had to

(55:54):
see or feel or experience thatanymore.
It is a powerful modality.

Yes, yeah, it is a very powerful modality
and some people don't believe init, but once you experience it,
it can be absolutelylife-changing.
When I studied this past liferegression, it was just, it was
just amazing because so manyquestions that existed they got
answered through this past liferegression and then everything

(56:19):
became so clear that the claritywas amazing.
There are no more questionsleft because everything made
sense and it really yeah, it wasthe last missing piece of the
puzzle actually for me, andthat's why it's an extremely
powerful modality and peoplesometimes are a bit afraid when
you say hypnotherapy or pastlife regression because they

(56:42):
think are not in control anymorewhen you do such a kind of
therapy or they might be likesleeping, but you're still fully
consciously aware.
You go to the subconscious mindbut still can hear everything,
they understand everything, theyremember everything that they
have said and that you have said.
It is just opening up theirmind, the subconscious mind, and

(57:02):
that's why it's absolutelyamazing actually yes.

Daniela (57:05):
Another curiosity that I have is I know you mentioned
before the day has 24 hours andyou're very good at managing it.
So if you're doing the coaching, you're also managing the
hospital.
Yes, you also working with theanimals, yeah.
So what is it the secret aboutusing wisely the 24 hours that
you have a day?

well, I start my day with 20 to 30
minutes meditation in themorning.
I try to incorporate also somekind of Tai Chi techniques, not
always 100 doing it, but I tryto improve myself as well and
this gives me a good start inthe day and it helps me to be
grounded, to be relaxed, andthat's how I go through my day
and those mindfulness practicesthat I have incorporated in my

(57:49):
daily life.
It helps me a lot to stayfocused, especially when I have
a lot of stress, to calm down,to relax myself, to put the
whole situation into perspective.
And I have a good timemanagement.
So when I say okay, I use, forexample, this amount of time to
do, let's say, coaching or toeducate myself, I set it as a

(58:10):
time and I stick to it, so I canbe very, very strict in my time
plan.
And when I say I do something,I do it and I think that's maybe
the secret that I'm very, verymuch focused and I really I put
my plan and I follow it throughyou are indestructible.

Daniela (58:28):
I was listening to near a young so he wrote a book of
indestructible.
So no social media.
You don't waste time at all.

You don't watch tv oh, actually I love to
watch Korean dramas no way, I'maddicted to Korean dramas.
For me it's a nice way to relax, actually, because they're
pretty cute, nice actors andgood storylines.
So when I want to relax, Iwatch my Korean drama series
true.

Daniela (58:56):
Thank you for sharing that.
So you are going to stay in AbuDhabi for forever.

You think this is your home yeah, I'm here
since more than 20 years.
Yes, it has become my homeactually.
I feel very comfortable hereand I certainly stay in the UAE
yes, yes, wonderful, wonderfulmarket.

Daniela (59:14):
Thank you so much for this amazing story.
I really enjoy being with youand listening and learning thank
you so much, daniela.

It was a lovely interview and I'm so glad
to share my story with youraudience and I hope at least one
of them will get an inspirationout of it then.
Whatever I've done in my life,it's worth it.
Thank you so much.
You do a wonderful job withyour podcast thank you.

Daniela (59:36):
Well, I guess you're gonna be two because I got
inspired, so then you needanother person wonderful.

Thank you so much, thank you.

Daniela (59:47):
I hope you enjoyed today's episode I am Daniela and
you were listening to, becauseeveryone has a story.
Please take five seconds rightnow and think of somebody in
your life that may enjoy whatyou just heard, or someone that
has a story to be shared andpreserved.
When you think of that person,shoot them a text with the link
of this podcast.

(01:00:08):
This will allow the ordinarymagic to go further.
Join me next time for anotherstory conversation.
Thank you for listening.
Hasta pronto.

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