June 9, 2024 • 48 mins
In this riveting episode of "Become Your Own Superhero," host Laban Ditchburn engages in a candid conversation with Senator Pauline Hanson.
Known for her polarizing views and unyielding stance on various issues, Hanson shares her insights on the welfare state, immigration, and the political landscape of Australia.
She recounts her early life, her rise in politics, and the relentless battles she has fought against both major political parties and the media. Hanson also touches on the contentious topics of vaccinations and national identity, providing her perspective on these pressing issues.
A powerful exploration of identity, responsibility, and political integrity unfolds as host Laban Ditchburn sits down with Senator Pauline Hanson in her office at Parliament House. The dialogue traverses Hanson's controversial political career, touching upon pivotal moments that shaped her public image and the perception of her policies. As the conversation meanders through personal anecdotes and political discourse, Hanson articulates her belief in the necessity of equality for all Australians, challenging the narrative that often labels her as racist. The discussion pivots to pressing issues such as immigration, national pride, and the role of government in fostering a sense of belonging among citizens. Through her unapologetic stance, Hanson encourages a reevaluation of how society perceives success and responsibility, advocating for a collective effort to rebuild national identity amid a rapidly changing cultural landscape. The episode culminates in a call to action for listeners, urging them to engage thoughtfully with political discourse and to champion the values that unite Australians, regardless of their backgrounds.
This rare and exclusive interview promises to be as enlightening as it is provocative.
Tune in to hear a side of Pauline Hanson that you may not have seen before.
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Today we traveled to one ofthe most beautiful cities in the
world, Brisbane, Australia.
And the reason we traveledhere was because we had been invited
to sit down with the personthat will easily go down in history
as one of the mostcontroversial political figures in
Australia and maybe even the world.
This woman 20 plus years agowhen she delivered her maiden speech
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at government polarized anentire country with her rhetoric
and the language that she used.
Fast forward 20 something years.
I now find myself in anincredibly unique situation where
I get to sit down face toface, nose to nose in her office
in Parliament House in GeorgeStreet, Brisbane with Senator Pauline
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Hanson.
This interview will blow yoursocks off.
60 minutes.
Eat your hot outpouring handsand welcome to the show.
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Welcome to become your own superhero.
Oh, thanks for having me on.
Well, thanks for allowing usinto your beautiful office here up
on whatever floor it is in themiddle of beautiful.
We're spreading Queensland, Australia.
It is, I can't complain.
It is fantastic views of Brisbane.
And actually I grew up onlyabout 5k's down the road from here,
so it's very much home.
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The cricket grounds, I wasjust around the corner from that
and that's where mum and dadhad the shop cafe and that's where
I grew up.
My work ethic and having topay your board for one you're on
$16.30 a night.
You work an extra night anddad in the shop and dad paid me $5
for waitressing.
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I walk upstairs and hand overmy $5 a month of board.
Sorry about memories.
Well, it's magnificent.
Today is June 6, 2024 andthere's two really special things
that have happened today.
Today's the 80th anniversaryof D day, incidentally.
Yes.
Which is interesting.
But ordinarily, metaphoricallyI would say we would need to make
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the planets align to makesomething like this happen.
But they actually are inalignment at the moment.
All of them.
Can you believe that?
No.
Please explain.
So Mars, Venus, Jupiter,Uranus are all in align.
They were having literally in alignment.
Yes.
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What you meant was aligned.
You and I getting this in view.
So it's metaphorically andactually aligned, which is just a
miracle of the universe.
There's so many places that Iwas interested to go meeting you
today.
You're such a fascinatingcharacter to me and I've got a real
soft spot for you because my,my mum's a reader as well.
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But as I've gotten to learnmore and more about you, I will admit
that I used to not like you at all.
I've heard that before and asI went through my healing journey,
which I mentioned to youbefore, interestingly enough, my
political views have shiftedslightly in my perspective and maybe
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it's a combination of age,number, number of other things.
What do you think's happeninginside me as a representative of
other people that are sharingthis kind of information with.
You that's taking place priorto that.
I say you were closed book,that you're only actually had, you're
in this little space and youactually have grown and matured where
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you've opened up your mind toactually listen to things around
you.
So this is what's happenedwith a lot of people.
I've had quite a few come upto me on the street and come up to
me and they said, pauline, Iowe you an apology.
And I said, oh before I said Iwas one of the ones that actually
campaigned or protestedagainst you years ago.
I didn't understand what youstood for.
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Now I do now I understand thatyou're all for Australia, what you're
trying to explain to us.
And so they said I'm sorrybecause I was one of those uni students
that came out and protestedagainst you.
So they've actually gone nowaround about, I'm talking about 20,
20 years on.
So life changes, yourexperience in life, getting out there,
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you actually get a real job inthe real world, you have to pay taxes,
you understand the stressesand strains of life and you're not
under your parents roofanymore paying your bills.
And that's why these peoplewere given the wrong message of what
I actually represented, what Istood for and people had their own
agendas.
It was made to politicalparties that saw me as a threat.
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That's why Tony Abbott took upa slush fund to start a court case
against me to get rid of me.
So it's all these reasons, butmajor political parties, the politicians,
the media, their own leftleaning views, instead of reporting
the facts, they, they hadtheir own opinion pieces and it was
everything.
And even, I'll tell you this,even Rupert Murdoch in 1998 put out
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a, a bonus to his journalistswho could get any dirt on me.
Did they find anything?
No, because there's nothing there.
But that's how far they went.
You know, even the court casewhich led to my imprisonment, which
was later down overturned.
So a lot of things that havehappened over the years is because
of people saw me as a threatand they had to stop me.
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It's only been a two partypreferred system in Australia.
We have to change that.
I had this idea as we weredriving down to meet you and I hadn't
really thought through, sojust humor me.
What if hypothetically one ofthe major political parties decided
inextricably to adopt all ofthe one nation policies and then
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by some miracle of God agreedto follow through on everything?
Given the number of politicalpeople in there, what would you then
do?
They have picked just to showyou viewers and yourself.
They picked up a lot of mypolicies over the years starting
with John Howard.
So they have done that.
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You know, I'm here and peopleare standing back for one nation
because they're not addressingtheir concerns.
So that's why people areturning to one nation of my policies
and what I stand for andpatriotic Australian and I care about
the people here.
And so if they actually didthe right by the people, they wouldn't
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be leaving them in droves.
So these political parties,the majors, labor and the Liberal
and the National Party, ifthey did their jobs and represented
the people instead of worryingabout their own jobs and what they
need to do to get reelectednext time around, then there wouldn't
be a need for one nation.
But as long as I'm here, I'mgetting more and more people elected
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to parliament, whether it bein state or federal parliament because
they're not doing the job.
And it seems to be reaching atipping point as things seem to be
progressing more in thenegative from an economic point of
view.
And I don't want to focus onthe negative so much because there's
plenty of media out there tofocus on that.
One of the questions I hadabout around I've learned through
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my own journey and I've read750 books in the last six years.
Ferocious just I used to readone a year if I was lucky and I've
consumed thousands of hoursand I've been exposed to some of
the best transformationalspeakers and motivational people
on the planet.
And the power of language issuper duper important.
Yeah, the term Aussie battleris something that I was wanted to
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talk to you about.
What do you think given thisaffirmation or really subconscious
programming of the battler,the battle of the battler.
Is there an alternativepositive affirmational name that
we can bring into Australianculture, do you think?
Well, the Aussie battle isreferring to those people really
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do not tough out there.
They're flat out just puttingroof over the head and cost of living.
And there's a lot moreAustralians who are facing that now.
So over the years because ofgovernment policies and directions,
we've Lost the middle classAustralia, you always had those Aussie
battlers, but now the middleclass Australians are actually struggling
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more.
So the people here who aredoing quite well are getting richer
and middle class aredisappearing and you've got the Aussie
battler that's actually comingin all.
Can I find another word for it?
I doubt possibly can't.
You know, this working classpoor, that's another terminology
that we came up with.
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It was one nation in 1997, weuse that terminology and it's got
worse as it is.
But the trouble is thatgovernments, you know, people are
doing it tougher.
So governments are giving moreand more handouts all the time, which
happens, which causes more ofa problem.
And what I mean by that isthat when you actually have a welfare
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system, there's no time limiton it.
You can be on it for 10, 20,30 years, which people are.
Then you get rent into systemsand you get travel expenses, then
you get health benefits, youget your prescriptions paid for.
It gets to a stage wherepeople think, well, why should I
go to work?
You know, it pays me more togo to work.
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I'm away from my family, I'min the traffic jams to get to work
and get home again.
So they're actually choosingnot to work.
So the person next door whohas to go to work every morning and
then, you know, come home lateand sees the neighbor next door sitting
around doing nothing, thatgets on the go to a lot of people.
Why am I paying taxes for themjust to sit there and do absolutely
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nothing?
Because the government keepsgetting out more and more.
So whether it's family taxbenefits, A and B, you know, it goes
on and on and on and we haveto really think, you know, people
shouldn't be working unlessyou've got a real reason why you
shouldn't be working.
People should be working.
No one knows your living.
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The neighbour next doordoesn't need to actually work to
put a roof over your head.
That's your responsibility.
And we're now getting thefourth generation.
We have real problems outthere because of the governance.
Once they bring it in, it'shard to take, ma'am.
So we're only making rub forour own back and for the future generations.
I love that you shared that point.
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I get the feeling, as I get tolearn more and more about you, that
you are seem to be the epitomeof taking full ownership of your
life.
Am I reading that right?
Yes, I do.
Where did you get that from?
Probably from my parents.
As I said.
To you.
My parents had a cafe andseven children.
Anyway, we actually startedworking as soon as I was 12.
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I was actually working in theshop on a Saturday behind the milk
bar.
At 15 I'd left school.
I had a full time job at Drughouses, Australia West End.
My pay was $16, 30 a week, big money.
And then on a Thursday nightat work, I'd finished my job.
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I'd come home 9 to 5, nightwas 8:30 till 5.
I'd come home and change, puton my units and then I'd waitress
and shop at 15 from 6 o'clockat night to 1 o'clock in the morning
and I'll get $5 for that fromdad and I walk upstairs and hand
it over to Mum for board.
So it was always about thework ethic.
All of my brothers and sistershave got a.
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We've all got a fantastic workethic and I learned that from my
father, my mother as well, whoworked beside him.
But dad worked 106 hours aweek in the shop for 25 years.
And very hard worker, veryprincipal man, very honest, you know.
So I think, you know, we'velearned that from him.
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No one gave us anything.
Yeah, what a gift.
What a beautiful gift from Mumand Dad.
Well, it is, but there's a lotof, a lot of parents out there.
Times are changed.
When we didn't, like, wedidn't have those computers, we didn't
have phones, we didn't havethe, you know, the, what can I say,
the tv.
We didn't get TV till Jeeps.
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I remember we.
Dad put one up in the shop.
We used to sit beside the milkbar and watch it.
Well, I know that's where thefirst TV that we had, Coronation
street went there.
Oh no, I can't rememberCoronation Street.
It was so funny.
No, we used to watch Supermanand Rin Tin Tin and so anyway, then
we eventually got TV in the house.
But all these things thesedays, the kids, or they've got to
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have those name brands,clothing or shoes.
Well, they must have a phone,they must have computers and all
the rest of it.
And parents reluctantly, youknow, give it to them.
Merlin, do you have arelationship with source or God or
whatever you want to call it?
No.
How would you describe whatyou have, if anything?
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My own inner strength and whatI've been actually taught to have
compassion and respect forother people.
You know, being.
Being a Member of Parliamentis a privilege, it really is, and
to gain the trust of people towant to vote for you.
Because at the end of the dayI have to represent them to the best
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of my ability.
But too many politicians nowbecome career politicians.
And what it is, it's what do Ihave to do to actually make sure
I get elected next time aroundwith me, what you see is what you
get.
If you don't like it, don'tvote for me.
And that's my attitude.
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And so I have to be true tomyself and I have to be true to the
people as well.
So, so that's why I don't holdback and I will call it the way it
is and because we have to havehonest debate if we're going to find
the answers to it.
Because not only being arepresentative, you also have to
be a problem solver when itcomes to politics.
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And that's what a lot of thepeople I see in Parliament.
They have no idea.
They're not problem solvers.
I didn't realize this when Iwrote it.
Boring.
But this is my gift to you.
This is a copy of my book andI bet on you, by the way.
Former pathological gamblerand degenerate.
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What I've done is I've puteverything that I've done in my life,
good and bad, and I've takenfull ownership for it.
I've often thought about, longbefore I came and sat down with you,
that if I ever ran forpolitics, if they were ever trying
to dig up anything, I couldpoint them gently in the direction
of so and now, now I try andlive my life in integrity so I don't
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have to keep any secrets andlike we say, tell the truth.
So you never have to remember anything.
If you were going to hiresomeone for your political party,
what are the key attributesthat are you going to want in order
for that to be successful?
Have to be hard working, haveto be honest and compassionate towards
other people.
Don't think that you're goingto get a job to ride on my coat task,
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get a name into Parliament andsit there and do absolutely nothing.
Actually I've got rid of acouple of members in my parliament
because of that.
You know, you have anobligation to the people to do the
work, to the job.
I've, you won't be around metoo long if you don't put the work
in.
And yeah, and that's my staffhad that same work ethic being around
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me and they'd all said me,they've been with me for eight years,
the time I've been inParliament, they said it's the best
job they've ever had.
So they Enjoy work becausewhat, what I give, what I show is
encourages them to do thesame, the same work ethic and that's
why we achieve so much out ofthis office for so many Australians
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and they get a kick out of itwhen we get a response back and thank
you what you've done andthat's what it's all about.
I just love hearing that we'vebeen able to achieve some something
to the people out there andyou really do.
Lead by example from anobservational point of view and I
love that about not just youbut anyone that's in that role and
I don't want to bring up anydirty laundry specifically but you
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know David Oldfield DavidEtridge hit the Herald Brian Burstyn
Fraser adding and Mark Lathamrule previously in one nation what
were the negative attributesthat revealed themselves that allowed
them to leave the party?
Was there a commonality orwere they.
All yes, well there was a.
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No, no difference there.
David Oldfield actually workedbehind my back to actually take over
the party.
He thought he could do abetter job than I did and once he
got elected Parliamentvirtually said you can't do anything
now I'm here.
So it's like see you later.
So he actually literallyworked behind my back to actually
get rid of me.
That's why I resigned from theparty in 2002 I think it was 2002
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I didn't come back to theparty till 13 years later because
I was asked to come backbecause the party was defunct.
They actually did his time inparliament walked away, couldn't
get less.
It was all about DavidOldfield and that's the difference
Heather Hill had.
She had a lot of potential.
Heather did because PeterBeatty deregistered party in Queensland
they all left and called theirown political party which they all
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lost their seats again theones that formed their own political
party.
Brian Burstyn he didn't do thejob to the best of his ability and
I refused to endorse him againfor another term in parliament.
So therefore it was thatFraser Anning was another one.
He had his own agenda.
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He came in only becauseMalcolm Roberts was actually he lost
over that citizenship debacleso Frase running took our seat but
he wasn't grippy to listen at all.
So yeah look and those membersof Palm that all walked away from
me because Peter, as I said 11were elected, they all walked three
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went independent and the restof them went and joined the south
political party.
I said stay with me, I saidI'll get the party re registered
Again, which I did.
And you know, they wanted meto be president of their party.
I said no way.
I said I've got my own party,I'm present at my own party.
So there's a lot of different reasons.
And a couple of the othermembers in wa, they were all about
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the riding.
You know, they wanted to runit with David Holsfield, they fired
it with him.
They're all gone.
I'm still here, I'm stillfighting on.
I rebuilt the party again fromabsolutely nothing in 2015.
And I've got now a statemember in every state upper house
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counseling in across the mainland.
Brilliant.
When I was going through my.
When I got sober, I lost about90, lost 97% of my circle of friends.
And it's not because they werebad people, is that we had really
nothing in common.
And I went through this hugegrieving mourning process because
I didn't know what I know now.
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And then I settled on a muchtighter group of people that when
Covid came about finished off.
So I was left with onlystrands of the hardcore true friends.
I relied on a lot ofinspiration from people that had
achieved what I had hoped toachieve and what I dealt with.
What are some of thetechniques or some of the people
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that you've been inspired bythat have helped you learn how to
deal with this barrage of thebeating over the last 20 plus years?
No, I haven't learned from anyone.
It's of how to deal with it.
You don't.
It's basically you say okay,I've got a problem here.
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What's the best way to solve it?
And the trouble with a lot ofpeople is they underestimated me
and they thought when I firstgot elected parliament I came from
a fish and chip shop or whatwould she know?
And.
And the Liberal partyunderestimated me and they actually
got rid of me and it waspublic that got behind me and I won
that seat in 1996 with thebiggest swing in the nation with
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22% swing.
So anyway, and then haddifferent ones that came on board,
John Pasqualey and differentones around me all thought they could
control me.
It was like then the partythat I started the party, they didn't
want me to start a party, soI'm starting a party.
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Then I started the party andthen you had all these people come
on board from all the othermagical parties who scrunched all
fed up with it.
They all thought they'd get onboard and then they'll put her out
there, put her up there.
She can actually perform.
And then we'll pack her awaybecause we know better how to run
it than what she does.
They've all gone.
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They've all gone.
Everything I've done and whatI have now, I've got a structure
that.
I've got really good peoplearound me, which I.
I ask for their advice.
I ask my own staff for adviceand opinions.
It doesn't hurt to get advice.
But other people.
I don't know necessarilyeverything myself, but the smart
person will ask other people.
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And at the end of the day, Imake the decision.
Amen.
Amen to that.
Seek counsel, not opinion is agreat quote I heard once upon a time.
Yes.
Yes, you do.
Because there's a lot ofopinion out there.
At the end of the day, youknow, the whole structure comes down
on top of me.
If there's problems out there,then I've got to wear it.
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Any policy that's put up in the.
For a parliament or anything,I have to wear it.
My speeches, I have to wear it.
So at the end of the day, Ihave to be comfortable with something.
And I'm very good at organizing.
I'm very good at reading the public.
You know what?
Because I'm one of them.
Just because I might be amember of Parliament doesn't mean
to say that I've forgotten mygrassroots, where I've come from,
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the hard.
The hard days, you know, ofthe hard work, going without and
being a single mother at 21and with two children with not enough
food to feed all of us.
But I made sure the kids weredug up, and I made sure they had
a roof over the head.
I've never forgotten this, andI will never.
Good on you.
And I'll never forget it.
That's why I can relate to people.
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But don't expect me to go outthere or other people who work and
pay their taxes to give you away of living that you're not prepared
to actually fight for and do yourself.
Amen to that.
And as a son of a mum, I wasraised three boys.
And, you know, my father didhis best to be involved, but it was
a very thankless task.
And she did an amazing jobbecause look at.
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Well, mine did, and so did yours.
Look where we are.
You know, no one asked you tobring the children in the world.
You brought them in the world.
It's your responsibility.
Not your neighbors, not thefriend down the road, not someone
else on the other side of the country.
It's your responsibility.
And the buck stops with you.
And I'm sick of these people.
Oh, what's more for me, I'mover it.
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I'd love to ask you out of allof the misrepresentation that people,
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they think they hear somethingthat you're sharing and they lose
their whatever, what's themost frustrating thing out of all
of the things that people havejudged you for that you just wish
you could easily explain topeople that I have.
No regard for the aboriginalTorres Strait island people in this
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country, that they think I'msuperior because this racist tag
was thrown around there.
And that started the day of myelection in 1996.
I did an interview with theAustralian newspaper.
Anyway it was recorded but Isaid, I called for right the very
beginning I've called forequality for all Australians.
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And I said because of thepoliticians wisdom we're rearing
out all these benefits purelybased on race, which is racist in
itself.
So I always called for itshould be on a needs basis, not based
on race.
So anyway, the Australianwrote the article and on the Monday
after my election, 3rd of May1996, it said Hanson won't represent
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the Aboriginal and TongaAustralia Strait Islander people.
Well then they took me to theHuman Rights and equal Opportunity.
So they complained about that.
And then it went on from thereto the court Sir Rowling Wilson who
left, he's passed away now, hewas left leaning judge but once he
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actually got the tape from thehe made them present the full tape
of the interview.
And upon listening to the fulltape of the interview, it wasn't
at all what the Journal wrotein that article.
So there was no talk about Iwouldn't represent them at all.
So I was found not guilty.
From a front page Newsnight toa little article in the back, that's
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what happened.
So the people have thisopinion that I'm racist.
And I tell people out there,if you criticise anything, that's
not racism.
You question high immigration,that's not racism.
You question accountability,where the money's going, that's not
racism.
And if you call for equalityfor all Australians regardless of
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race, that is not racism.
So people need to wake up towhat is happening in our society.
And if you do support this,you are racist.
So that's what I say topeople, understand my policies, understand
what I said.
And the people say to me, oh,well, you're racist.
I said, tell me one racistcomment that I'm in.
And the word racist reallymeans to believe your race to be
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superior to another.
Never, ever, ever advocated that.
And as a Member of Parliament,I will continue to question where
the money's gone.
Accountability.
All Australians should betreated equally.
And I also have pointed outthat I respect those people that
have come from other countriesto have migrated to Australia and
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have given their undividedloyalty to children's country.
I respect those people as well.
I don't think I could move toanother country and give that country
another loyalty because I love Australia.
And I'll tell you this also, Iused to go to the citizenship ceremonies
Years ago, in 1997, 96, 97.
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And I was asked to as a memberof Parliament.
And the council in Ipswichused to invite me to it.
But then I used to stand thereand I'd welcome them and I'd tell
them, I said, I will tell younow, if you don't give this country
your undivided loyalty, I'llbe the first one to take you to the
airport, put you on a planeaway, that you were a.
They used to run us anyway, tothe shock and horror of the counselors
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and everyone else, theyactually stopped inviting me.
But guess what?
I was the last one there.
Still meeting each one of themhours after, while they had their
photos with me and all theothers were gone.
They weren't interested.
They all wanted to know me,talk to me.
And this is what.
This is who I am.
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Yes.
It doesn't take much,certainly for my own personal N equals
one to realize that peoplejust start leaning off the top and
running with that.
And as, as a New Zealanderwho's a dual Australian citizen through
descent, my father's thirdgeneration, fourth Generation Australian.
My wife is Russian, who's anAustralian citizen who graduated
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top of her class at VictoriaUniversity for English, speaks better
than better English than youand me put together now, and has
embraced the Australian culture.
And, you know, her last name'sMade Nova, which means six dog balls
and cricket, in case you'rewondering, like, how much more Australian
do you want to hear people?
So I'm on board with that, certainly.
And I'll tell you nothing alot of people don't realize.
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My first husband was Polish.
He actually came out hereafter the Second World War with his
mother, and his mother was onewho was in the concentration camps.
And he came out here as a sixyear old with this mother and, you
know, he was my husband.
So I understand refugees, Iunderstand the whole concept.
I understand about migrantscoming here for a new way of life.
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Well, not Australia.
Just going back to the, theracism comment.
What's so interesting to me isI know you don't know me very well.
I mean, my whole philosophy inlife is I just want to know the truth
so I can make an informed decision.
Yeah.
So I interviewed a guy, thisgentleman by name is Scott, who was
the former Grand Dragon in theKu Klux Klan.
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And you believe it now he's,he's, he, he got out of it and he's
working with Daryl Davis, theAfrican American man who's been taking
the clan costumes off the clan members.
Like he's been reassessing America.
In America.
Yeah, yeah.
Not in Australia.
And so he's seen the error ofhis ways and now he's the biggest,
you know, brand ambassadorfor, you know, bringing people together.
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But I, I was fascinated tolearn about why he would end up wanting
to go down that path.
And he shared with me, when hewas a young boy, he had a horribly
abusive father and he murderedpuppies by throwing them up against
the wall in front of Scottwhen he was like five or six.
And so he witnessed this andhe wanted connection.
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He tried to join the Italianmob, but they wouldn't let him in
because he wasn't Italian.
He tried to join Al Qaeda andcouldn't get in.
So he found his way into theclan and he said to me that all the
men that were part of thiscommunity all came from horribly
broken, abusive homes.
They want a sense of belonging.
Sense of belonging.
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So if we are to solve or beginto solve some of the major challenges
we've got going, we need tobring that sense of belonging back
towards a functional sense of belonging.
And maybe it's aroundReuniting as Australians.
Once again, politicians andI'd say United nations in their quest
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to actually get rid of thesovereignty of nations.
And basically they're tryingto destroy the Western values and
that's what's happening.
So you're breaking down thenational identity of a nation.
So all these people this way,people have been pushing for multiculturalism.
And right for the verybeginning, I was not for multiculturalism.
Multiculturalism can be very tribal.
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People go, oh, well, thedifferent foods and everything like
that, that's got nothing to dowith it.
People don't understand theconcept of it.
So multiculturalism to me isthat you have all the different concepts
of tribes coming here,different people can be Chinese,
can be, you know, Polish orcan be Russian, can be English, can
be American, whatever.
And so then what's taken intoconsideration is their beliefs, their
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cultures and their laws.
So when you have that, thenyou're not treating everyone under
the one manner as Australiansand under the laws treated equally.
Because when you take a caseto court, that person can be actually,
can I say prosecuted based ontheir cultural background, all their
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upbringing, you know, whatever.
So that for it, it does breakdown the national identity of a country.
So people should, who comehere, in my view, should learn to
speak the language and theyshould assimilate and feel part of
the community.
But they.
But this is, I believe, whatthe world UN and everyone says to
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break down the identity andit's called a mistake known as the
melting pot.
So when you actually breakdown the patriotism in the country,
then you can control the people.
They're trying to divide us.
Yeah, they are trying todivide us because no one stands up
because you haven't got thatpatriotism that's there to stand
up and fight for the country.
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So when you have all thesepeople that don't feel they don't
belong, so why should I fightfor it?
And I'll tell you now, if wehad a war here in this country, how
many think these people nowthat are here who possibly have dual
citizenship, that will say,I'm not going to fight for Australia,
I'll go back to my own country.
Why would I put my life in line?
Why would I fight this?
Have you got any idea?
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No idea.
Because do they really feel apart of it?
That's the question we need toask ourselves in moving forward.
Because there's always thefear that we could be Chinese might
come down here or anothercountry that may want to because
of who we are, where we are,our resources that we have.
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And for A lot of reasons thatwe need to make sure that we've got
the right people here thatwant to.
And that's why we've got toget back to patriotism, that we feel
we belong united in the country.
Not like the government'strying to do with this voice tried
to divide us again with theaboriginal people.
Regardless of the fact I wasborn here, this is my country.
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You know, for people to say goback where I came from, well, where's
that later?
No, it was just stupidity.
And that what frustrates meabout these idiots, these politicians,
they should be reuniting usand pulling us together, not dividing
us.
I agree.
And Pauline, I visited about35 countries and I've lived in seven
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now.
And what I find interesting isthat people are the same everywhere
I go.
I've been to China, Mexico, Colombia.
You know, I think what you,what you're saying when you say the
Chinese right is not thecollective Chinese people per se,
that the bureaucrats that arethe ones that are pulling the strings
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from a.
You know what I mean?
So I just think from that they're.
Being controlled because it'sunder communist and they actually
have to do what they're told.
Correct?
Yeah, it's, it's interesting.
And that's what I've come to learn.
Understanding the language around.
I think that's why some peopleare getting triggered because they're
not paying attention.
And I think I heard you saythis recently, that most Australians
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that are complaining haven'tbeen outside of Australia.
They don't know what it's like.
We live in this, this utopiaand Australia really hasn't gone
through any major crisis sinceWorld War II.
I mean like this show, there'sbeen some downturn, but like you
go to Venezuela talking to aguy yesterday, you know, you go to
Cuba, they had a famine.
My ex girlfriend was from Zimbabwe.
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The fruit bowl of Africa wentthrough hyperinflation and famine.
Like we can't imagine thesekind of things happening in this
country.
Do people have any idea about what.
Could happen if we don't thinkthe younger generation have traveled?
No, they don't.
And that's why the oldergeneration my age that have actually
experienced a differentAustralia after the war years.
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But not only that, we didn'thave everything at our fingertips.
And so they take a lot ofthings for granted and then they
scream about climate change,all the rest.
Are they going to do away withtheir mobile phones, Are they going
to do away with their computers?
Are they going to do away withtheir travel, their Car or whatever.
You know, these people reallyhaven't gone without much at all.
But there are some young ones,I'm not saying all young ones, but
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a lot of them being propped upby their families, by their parents
and grandparents.
So really, have they done it?
Tons.
Look, life's experiences willactually can put a different head
on your shoulders.
So what you've been through inlife will actually shape you and
mold you into your way of thinking.
And I think that's, we'remissing that from a lot of, I think
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bureaucrats and politiciansthat are being brainwashed through
an educational system or inthe universities that really aren't
trying to solve the problems.
It's all about their survival.
And that's what I findfrustrating about a lot is it's not
about your survival in yourjob as a politician, it's about you
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finding the solutions for thesurvival of Australians out there
that need that, that direction.
They need leadership andthat's what this country's lacking,
leadership.
If you were Prime Ministerpawning, do you think there would
be a magnified difference inthe kind of impact you'd be able
to have to Australia?
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Of course they would.
This country wouldn't want toknow what happened to them.
Would you like to do you dealin hypothetical?
Look, I think what we've gotto do is unite people.
You know, everyone needs to bemade feel a part of the nation.
We've actually got to addressour welfare system which is now 260
billion a year.
You've got nearly one third ofyour budget is paid out welter payments.
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You got over 900,000 peoplethat are sitting around on welfare.
That's no good for them, nogood for the country.
Future of the country.
We've got aged people livingin poverty.
The escalation of the cost ofliving, that's only because of government
policy gain.
Climate change.
That's what it's about.
It's a scam.
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Scam.
And there is another scam thatis out of control.
We can fix that tomorrow.
If they had the will to do it,we could actually open up this country
the resources that we have,resources that are just flowing out
of this country for other countries.
We're not benefiting from it.
And a case in point, we'reonly getting 2.4 billion now from
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our gas from the northwestshelf because I've harped and harped
about it to the former PrimeMinister and the current one three
prime ministers, mind you.
And we're now getting some 2.4 billion.
We were only getting 300million from it.
Now it's 2.4.
But we export more gas thanQatar and they're actually getting
26 billion plus a year fromtheir gas.
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So that's money that we'remissing out on.
The waste of spent money inthis country.
What the bureaucrats are paidis unbelievable.
They shouldn't be paid thatsort of money.
So, you know, the whole thingis whacked.
And the unions are running thecountry, the government, especially
the Labor Party.
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There are so many things thatcan be addressed.
Our defence.
We're not looking after ourdefence personnel defence force.
Now they're putting out a callfor foreigners to come into our defence.
That's not going to end well,is it?
Oh, my goodness.
And then you've got.
The government thinks it's awise thing to pay $600 million to
Papuvas or their own football team.
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Give me a break.
That's a hell of a league teamover there, isn't it?
We can't even look after ourown Olympians, that we expect them
to perform for us at the Olympics.
But we're giving money andbuilding stadiums for footballers
who are on what, huge amountsof monies.
So I'm sorry.
And they can be on aboutgender dysphoria, what's happening
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to kids in classrooms.
I know you can be a girltoday, if you want to know, be a
boy.
How bloody ridiculous is allthis rubbish?
Do you want to hear a weirdLaban hypothesis?
Pauline, are you interested in this?
So I interviewed ProfessorStephanie Senneff on my show about
two and a half years ago.
She's a.
She got four degrees from MIT,including a PhD.
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She's been studying glyphosateand autism, so Roundup and autism
for 30 years.
She explained to me themechanisms in which she believes,
and it's backed up by plentyof other people, how spectrum disorders
come about.
And I won't bore you with thedetails, but basically there's a
huge amount of childhoodvaccines when the child's born with
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antibiotics, and then there'sinflammation of the brain and that's
where there's the spectrum disorders.
A disproportionate number ofthe transgender community, like 90
something percent.
Please fact check my numbers.
Folks are trans in the trans community.
What if, as a possibility,this whole transgender movement is
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a direct result of overvaccinating our children and allowing
the food system to be poisonedwith excessive amounts of Roundup?
Look, I think it does need tobe investigated.
I was just Talking to a Dr.
Anya, in the last couple ofmonths and Said the amount of vaccines.
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All my kids had their vaccinesand at that time it was only poly
diphtheria.
And what's the other one?
Measles.
They had measles and well,rubella was later on, but I'm talking
as babies.
So they had very limitedvaccinations at that time.
And he was telling me that inthe 1980s, my children were.
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Prior to that, in the 70s,this 1980s, he said a child would
have around about 18vaccinations in total.
And about that time, now it'saround about 72.
So what they're doing.
And my daughter went to havean east.
And he said what they're doingis putting all the vaccines in one
shot.
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He said you might have 20, 22vaccinations, different vaccinations
in one shot.
And he said the problem isthat it used to be spaced out.
Now they're trying to give itto the child all under three years
of age.
Because after three years ofage, parents aren't that, you know,
must have the vaccinations.
That's why they sell.
Let them all have thevaccinations prior to three.
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So anyway, this needs to be debated.
It needs to be talked aboutbecause the number of kids on the
spectrum, and I just got thefigures that now it's 3 in.
Back in the 1980s, it was only3 in 100,000 had autism.
Now it's 3 in every 100 thathas autism.
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We actually need to startinvestigating why this has happened
and not have a closed shopabout it.
Because kids out there couldhave a normal life.
We got to find out the reasonsfor it.
And if it's throughimmunization, if it's through pesticides,
if it's through somethingelse, we have to investigate why.
We owe it to the future generations.
Amen.
And I'm very appreciative ofyour time.
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I have to deal on hypotheticals.
Would you like to deal in hypothetical?
This is a roadmap to beingPrime Minister.
Well, well, let's just humorme for a second, right?
As a possibility, let's saythat the mandated MRNA vaccines that
were brought in two years ago,whatever, are responsible for a tremendous
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amount of death and injury.
If I was in your situation,and I'm not, so it's easy for me
to say, I would double down onthinking about a solution for when
people find out about this asa possibility because there's going
to be a lot of very angrypeople and we need solutions for
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these people.
Now, I realize this might seem quite.
Controversial so you wouldactually double down?
No, I would double down onfinding a solution to helping people
heal.
And.
And I believe that if PaulineHansen became the loudest voice,
which you kind of are alreadyin this country at addressing this
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now, I think the.
The rest of the country, whenall this comes out, will rally around
and they will want you to leadthe country out of them.
Out of that.
Yeah.
But right from the verybeginning, I tell people, don't put
this shit into your body.
Yeah, very vocal.
Yeah.
Yeah, very vocal.
And the fact is that thelittle bit of information that I
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had and what it could causeand also I don't want to put to anything.
I've never had a flu shot, an11 flu shot.
I'm not going to put foreignbodies into my body.
And the whole fact is thatthat wasn't manufactured properly.
It wasn't investigated, itwasn't tested.
Any information that I've donewith the tga, any medication or injection
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or for disease that is testedat least seven to 10 years, sometimes
15 years.
This was done in a matter of months.
I'm sorry, it didn't add up to me.
And then on top of it, becausewe've had over probably more now,
140,000 adverse side effectsfrom it.
Autopsies weren't done on people.
They shut it down.
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There's no real informationthat's been put out.
And I've been telling peopleall along.
And the fact is, who's beenpushing from the very beginning for
royal commission into this hasbeen me.
And it has to be a royal commission.
You can't shut the door onanything now because we will be forced
to have, you know, go througha pandemic again.
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It's not the first and ithasn't been the first and won't be
the last.
So we've got to know how tohandle it.
We have to put rules in placefor the government of the day and
the health bureaucrats and allthese other idiots out there have
to follow these rules and not just.
It's not just a Russianroulette game with people's lives.
I want to know the answers.
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I want to put it in place.
And I don't trust who allthese other world health organizations
to tell us what we should bedoing here.
I'm sorry, I'm a person fortaking control of my own future,
my own life, and I wantanswers from the governments.
But they're all hiding,burying their head in the sand.
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Nothing to see here.
Well, I'm telling you what,there's hell of A lot to say.
So if I'm ever in parliament,I still have in a position or I have
the power to actually exposethis for what has happened in this
country, for those people, Iwill do it.
Just for the record, everyone,I'm not suicidal.
And are you?
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No.
So I want to finish on apositive note because we've just
spoken about some pretty heavystuff and I love that you're so open
about this, Paul, and I reallyappreciate it.
What advice?
Closing thoughts for someonelistening, watching to this, who
is in this early 60s that bythemselves they are running out of
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money, they're broke.
What's some.
What's a message of openinspiration that the great Senator
Hanson can share.
No pressure, okay?
Stopping by yourself, there'splenty of organizations out there.
Go and join the men's share.
Go to your local church andthe communities.
You can have give of yourselfto actually find peace in your life.
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You don't need to have a lotof money.
You can do anything.
Go out and do some gardening,go and grow some few veggies, do
some knitting like me, youknow, and find those people around
you.
Everything doesn't really comedown to money as long as you can
put a roof over your head andyou can feed yourself.
But when you can give to ofyourself to other people, you might
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have a wonderful talent outthere that people are just wanting
to tap into.
Never give up on yourself justbecause, oh, I'm 60, I'm too old
now, perhaps I've just turned 70.
And you know, and as I said toa lot of people and young ones also,
never pull yourself down.
There are so many people outthere who want to pull you down.
Put yourself on a pedestal andthe only one who can pull you off
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it is yourself.
Ladies and gentlemen, Paul and Handsome.
Thank you.
I got superpowers.
Superpowers.
I got superpowers.
Superpowers.
Power.
I got super power.
Super power.
Working seven days a week in24 hours.
Today we traveled to one ofthe most beautiful cities in the
world, Brisbane, Australia.
And the reason we traveledhere was because we had been invited
to sit down with the personthat will easily go down in history
as one of the mostcontroversial political figures in
Australia and maybe even the world.
This woman 20 plus years agowhen she delivered her maiden speech
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at government polarized anentire country with her rhetoric
and the language that she used.
Fast forward 20 something years.
I now find myself in anincredibly unique situation where
I get to sit down face toface, nose to nose in her office
in Parliament House in GeorgeStreet, Brisbane with Senator Pauline
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Hanson.
This interview will blow yoursocks off.
60 minutes.
Eat your hot outpouring handsand welcome to the show.
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Welcome to become your own superhero.
Oh, thanks for having me on.
Well, thanks for allowing usinto your beautiful office here up
on whatever floor it is in themiddle of beautiful.
We're spreading Queensland, Australia.
It is, I can't complain.
It is fantastic views of Brisbane.
And actually I grew up onlyabout 5k's down the road from here,
so it's very much home.
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The cricket grounds, I wasjust around the corner from that
and that's where mum and dadhad the shop cafe and that's where
I grew up.
My work ethic and having topay your board for one you're on
$16.30 a night.
You work an extra night anddad in the shop and dad paid me $5
for waitressing.
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I walk upstairs and hand overmy $5 a month of board.
Sorry about memories.
Well, it's magnificent.
Today is June 6, 2024 andthere's two really special things
that have happened today.
Today's the 80th anniversaryof D day, incidentally.
Yes.
Which is interesting.
But ordinarily, metaphoricallyI would say we would need to make
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the planets align to makesomething like this happen.
But they actually are inalignment at the moment.
All of them.
Can you believe that?
No.
Please explain.
So Mars, Venus, Jupiter,Uranus are all in align.
They were having literally in alignment.
Yes.
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What you meant was aligned.
You and I getting this in view.
So it's metaphorically andactually aligned, which is just a
miracle of the universe.
There's so many places that Iwas interested to go meeting you
today.
You're such a fascinatingcharacter to me and I've got a real
soft spot for you because my,my mum's a reader as well.
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But as I've gotten to learnmore and more about you, I will admit
that I used to not like you at all.
I've heard that before and asI went through my healing journey,
which I mentioned to youbefore, interestingly enough, my
political views have shiftedslightly in my perspective and maybe
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it's a combination of age,number, number of other things.
What do you think's happeninginside me as a representative of
other people that are sharingthis kind of information with.
You that's taking place priorto that.
I say you were closed book,that you're only actually had, you're
in this little space and youactually have grown and matured where
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you've opened up your mind toactually listen to things around
you.
So this is what's happenedwith a lot of people.
I've had quite a few come upto me on the street and come up to
me and they said, pauline, Iowe you an apology.
And I said, oh before I said Iwas one of the ones that actually
campaigned or protestedagainst you years ago.
I didn't understand what youstood for.
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Now I do now I understand thatyou're all for Australia, what you're
trying to explain to us.
And so they said I'm sorrybecause I was one of those uni students
that came out and protestedagainst you.
So they've actually gone nowaround about, I'm talking about 20,
20 years on.
So life changes, yourexperience in life, getting out there,
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you actually get a real job inthe real world, you have to pay taxes,
you understand the stressesand strains of life and you're not
under your parents roofanymore paying your bills.
And that's why these peoplewere given the wrong message of what
I actually represented, what Istood for and people had their own
agendas.
It was made to politicalparties that saw me as a threat.
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That's why Tony Abbott took upa slush fund to start a court case
against me to get rid of me.
So it's all these reasons, butmajor political parties, the politicians,
the media, their own leftleaning views, instead of reporting
the facts, they, they hadtheir own opinion pieces and it was
everything.
And even, I'll tell you this,even Rupert Murdoch in 1998 put out
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a, a bonus to his journalistswho could get any dirt on me.
Did they find anything?
No, because there's nothing there.
But that's how far they went.
You know, even the court casewhich led to my imprisonment, which
was later down overturned.
So a lot of things that havehappened over the years is because
of people saw me as a threatand they had to stop me.
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It's only been a two partypreferred system in Australia.
We have to change that.
I had this idea as we weredriving down to meet you and I hadn't
really thought through, sojust humor me.
What if hypothetically one ofthe major political parties decided
inextricably to adopt all ofthe one nation policies and then
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by some miracle of God agreedto follow through on everything?
Given the number of politicalpeople in there, what would you then
do?
They have picked just to showyou viewers and yourself.
They picked up a lot of mypolicies over the years starting
with John Howard.
So they have done that.
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You know, I'm here and peopleare standing back for one nation
because they're not addressingtheir concerns.
So that's why people areturning to one nation of my policies
and what I stand for andpatriotic Australian and I care about
the people here.
And so if they actually didthe right by the people, they wouldn't
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be leaving them in droves.
So these political parties,the majors, labor and the Liberal
and the National Party, ifthey did their jobs and represented
the people instead of worryingabout their own jobs and what they
need to do to get reelectednext time around, then there wouldn't
be a need for one nation.
But as long as I'm here, I'mgetting more and more people elected
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to parliament, whether it bein state or federal parliament because
they're not doing the job.
And it seems to be reaching atipping point as things seem to be
progressing more in thenegative from an economic point of
view.
And I don't want to focus onthe negative so much because there's
plenty of media out there tofocus on that.
One of the questions I hadabout around I've learned through
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my own journey and I've read750 books in the last six years.
Ferocious just I used to readone a year if I was lucky and I've
consumed thousands of hoursand I've been exposed to some of
the best transformationalspeakers and motivational people
on the planet.
And the power of language issuper duper important.
Yeah, the term Aussie battleris something that I was wanted to
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talk to you about.
What do you think given thisaffirmation or really subconscious
programming of the battler,the battle of the battler.
Is there an alternativepositive affirmational name that
we can bring into Australianculture, do you think?
Well, the Aussie battle isreferring to those people really
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do not tough out there.
They're flat out just puttingroof over the head and cost of living.
And there's a lot moreAustralians who are facing that now.
So over the years because ofgovernment policies and directions,
we've Lost the middle classAustralia, you always had those Aussie
battlers, but now the middleclass Australians are actually struggling
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more.
So the people here who aredoing quite well are getting richer
and middle class aredisappearing and you've got the Aussie
battler that's actually comingin all.
Can I find another word for it?
I doubt possibly can't.
You know, this working classpoor, that's another terminology
that we came up with.
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It was one nation in 1997, weuse that terminology and it's got
worse as it is.
But the trouble is thatgovernments, you know, people are
doing it tougher.
So governments are giving moreand more handouts all the time, which
happens, which causes more ofa problem.
And what I mean by that isthat when you actually have a welfare
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system, there's no time limiton it.
You can be on it for 10, 20,30 years, which people are.
Then you get rent into systemsand you get travel expenses, then
you get health benefits, youget your prescriptions paid for.
It gets to a stage wherepeople think, well, why should I
go to work?
You know, it pays me more togo to work.
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I'm away from my family, I'min the traffic jams to get to work
and get home again.
So they're actually choosingnot to work.
So the person next door whohas to go to work every morning and
then, you know, come home lateand sees the neighbor next door sitting
around doing nothing, thatgets on the go to a lot of people.
Why am I paying taxes for themjust to sit there and do absolutely
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nothing?
Because the government keepsgetting out more and more.
So whether it's family taxbenefits, A and B, you know, it goes
on and on and on and we haveto really think, you know, people
shouldn't be working unlessyou've got a real reason why you
shouldn't be working.
People should be working.
No one knows your living.
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The neighbour next doordoesn't need to actually work to
put a roof over your head.
That's your responsibility.
And we're now getting thefourth generation.
We have real problems outthere because of the governance.
Once they bring it in, it'shard to take, ma'am.
So we're only making rub forour own back and for the future generations.
I love that you shared that point.
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I get the feeling, as I get tolearn more and more about you, that
you are seem to be the epitomeof taking full ownership of your
life.
Am I reading that right?
Yes, I do.
Where did you get that from?
Probably from my parents.
As I said.
To you.
My parents had a cafe andseven children.
Anyway, we actually startedworking as soon as I was 12.
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I was actually working in theshop on a Saturday behind the milk
bar.
At 15 I'd left school.
I had a full time job at Drughouses, Australia West End.
My pay was $16, 30 a week, big money.
And then on a Thursday nightat work, I'd finished my job.
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I'd come home 9 to 5, nightwas 8:30 till 5.
I'd come home and change, puton my units and then I'd waitress
and shop at 15 from 6 o'clockat night to 1 o'clock in the morning
and I'll get $5 for that fromdad and I walk upstairs and hand
it over to Mum for board.
So it was always about thework ethic.
All of my brothers and sistershave got a.
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We've all got a fantastic workethic and I learned that from my
father, my mother as well, whoworked beside him.
But dad worked 106 hours aweek in the shop for 25 years.
And very hard worker, veryprincipal man, very honest, you know.
So I think, you know, we'velearned that from him.
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No one gave us anything.
Yeah, what a gift.
What a beautiful gift from Mumand Dad.
Well, it is, but there's a lotof, a lot of parents out there.
Times are changed.
When we didn't, like, wedidn't have those computers, we didn't
have phones, we didn't havethe, you know, the, what can I say,
the tv.
We didn't get TV till Jeeps.
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I remember we.
Dad put one up in the shop.
We used to sit beside the milkbar and watch it.
Well, I know that's where thefirst TV that we had, Coronation
street went there.
Oh no, I can't rememberCoronation Street.
It was so funny.
No, we used to watch Supermanand Rin Tin Tin and so anyway, then
we eventually got TV in the house.
But all these things thesedays, the kids, or they've got to
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have those name brands,clothing or shoes.
Well, they must have a phone,they must have computers and all
the rest of it.
And parents reluctantly, youknow, give it to them.
Merlin, do you have arelationship with source or God or
whatever you want to call it?
No.
How would you describe whatyou have, if anything?
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My own inner strength and whatI've been actually taught to have
compassion and respect forother people.
You know, being.
Being a Member of Parliamentis a privilege, it really is, and
to gain the trust of people towant to vote for you.
Because at the end of the dayI have to represent them to the best
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of my ability.
But too many politicians nowbecome career politicians.
And what it is, it's what do Ihave to do to actually make sure
I get elected next time aroundwith me, what you see is what you
get.
If you don't like it, don'tvote for me.
And that's my attitude.
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And so I have to be true tomyself and I have to be true to the
people as well.
So, so that's why I don't holdback and I will call it the way it
is and because we have to havehonest debate if we're going to find
the answers to it.
Because not only being arepresentative, you also have to
be a problem solver when itcomes to politics.
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And that's what a lot of thepeople I see in Parliament.
They have no idea.
They're not problem solvers.
I didn't realize this when Iwrote it.
Boring.
But this is my gift to you.
This is a copy of my book andI bet on you, by the way.
Former pathological gamblerand degenerate.
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What I've done is I've puteverything that I've done in my life,
good and bad, and I've takenfull ownership for it.
I've often thought about, longbefore I came and sat down with you,
that if I ever ran forpolitics, if they were ever trying
to dig up anything, I couldpoint them gently in the direction
of so and now, now I try andlive my life in integrity so I don't
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have to keep any secrets andlike we say, tell the truth.
So you never have to remember anything.
If you were going to hiresomeone for your political party,
what are the key attributesthat are you going to want in order
for that to be successful?
Have to be hard working, haveto be honest and compassionate towards
other people.
Don't think that you're goingto get a job to ride on my coat task,
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get a name into Parliament andsit there and do absolutely nothing.
Actually I've got rid of acouple of members in my parliament
because of that.
You know, you have anobligation to the people to do the
work, to the job.
I've, you won't be around metoo long if you don't put the work
in.
And yeah, and that's my staffhad that same work ethic being around
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me and they'd all said me,they've been with me for eight years,
the time I've been inParliament, they said it's the best
job they've ever had.
So they Enjoy work becausewhat, what I give, what I show is
encourages them to do thesame, the same work ethic and that's
why we achieve so much out ofthis office for so many Australians
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and they get a kick out of itwhen we get a response back and thank
you what you've done andthat's what it's all about.
I just love hearing that we'vebeen able to achieve some something
to the people out there andyou really do.
Lead by example from anobservational point of view and I
love that about not just youbut anyone that's in that role and
I don't want to bring up anydirty laundry specifically but you
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know David Oldfield DavidEtridge hit the Herald Brian Burstyn
Fraser adding and Mark Lathamrule previously in one nation what
were the negative attributesthat revealed themselves that allowed
them to leave the party?
Was there a commonality orwere they.
All yes, well there was a.
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No, no difference there.
David Oldfield actually workedbehind my back to actually take over
the party.
He thought he could do abetter job than I did and once he
got elected Parliamentvirtually said you can't do anything
now I'm here.
So it's like see you later.
So he actually literallyworked behind my back to actually
get rid of me.
That's why I resigned from theparty in 2002 I think it was 2002
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I didn't come back to theparty till 13 years later because
I was asked to come backbecause the party was defunct.
They actually did his time inparliament walked away, couldn't
get less.
It was all about DavidOldfield and that's the difference
Heather Hill had.
She had a lot of potential.
Heather did because PeterBeatty deregistered party in Queensland
they all left and called theirown political party which they all
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lost their seats again theones that formed their own political
party.
Brian Burstyn he didn't do thejob to the best of his ability and
I refused to endorse him againfor another term in parliament.
So therefore it was thatFraser Anning was another one.
He had his own agenda.
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He came in only becauseMalcolm Roberts was actually he lost
over that citizenship debacleso Frase running took our seat but
he wasn't grippy to listen at all.
So yeah look and those membersof Palm that all walked away from
me because Peter, as I said 11were elected, they all walked three
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went independent and the restof them went and joined the south
political party.
I said stay with me, I saidI'll get the party re registered
Again, which I did.
And you know, they wanted meto be president of their party.
I said no way.
I said I've got my own party,I'm present at my own party.
So there's a lot of different reasons.
And a couple of the othermembers in wa, they were all about
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the riding.
You know, they wanted to runit with David Holsfield, they fired
it with him.
They're all gone.
I'm still here, I'm stillfighting on.
I rebuilt the party again fromabsolutely nothing in 2015.
And I've got now a statemember in every state upper house
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counseling in across the mainland.
Brilliant.
When I was going through my.
When I got sober, I lost about90, lost 97% of my circle of friends.
And it's not because they werebad people, is that we had really
nothing in common.
And I went through this hugegrieving mourning process because
I didn't know what I know now.
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And then I settled on a muchtighter group of people that when
Covid came about finished off.
So I was left with onlystrands of the hardcore true friends.
I relied on a lot ofinspiration from people that had
achieved what I had hoped toachieve and what I dealt with.
What are some of thetechniques or some of the people
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that you've been inspired bythat have helped you learn how to
deal with this barrage of thebeating over the last 20 plus years?
No, I haven't learned from anyone.
It's of how to deal with it.
You don't.
It's basically you say okay,I've got a problem here.
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What's the best way to solve it?
And the trouble with a lot ofpeople is they underestimated me
and they thought when I firstgot elected parliament I came from
a fish and chip shop or whatwould she know?
And.
And the Liberal partyunderestimated me and they actually
got rid of me and it waspublic that got behind me and I won
that seat in 1996 with thebiggest swing in the nation with
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22% swing.
So anyway, and then haddifferent ones that came on board,
John Pasqualey and differentones around me all thought they could
control me.
It was like then the partythat I started the party, they didn't
want me to start a party, soI'm starting a party.
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Then I started the party andthen you had all these people come
on board from all the othermagical parties who scrunched all
fed up with it.
They all thought they'd get onboard and then they'll put her out
there, put her up there.
She can actually perform.
And then we'll pack her awaybecause we know better how to run
it than what she does.
They've all gone.
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They've all gone.
Everything I've done and whatI have now, I've got a structure
that.
I've got really good peoplearound me, which I.
I ask for their advice.
I ask my own staff for adviceand opinions.
It doesn't hurt to get advice.
But other people.
I don't know necessarilyeverything myself, but the smart
person will ask other people.
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And at the end of the day, Imake the decision.
Amen.
Amen to that.
Seek counsel, not opinion is agreat quote I heard once upon a time.
Yes.
Yes, you do.
Because there's a lot ofopinion out there.
At the end of the day, youknow, the whole structure comes down
on top of me.
If there's problems out there,then I've got to wear it.
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Any policy that's put up in the.
For a parliament or anything,I have to wear it.
My speeches, I have to wear it.
So at the end of the day, Ihave to be comfortable with something.
And I'm very good at organizing.
I'm very good at reading the public.
You know what?
Because I'm one of them.
Just because I might be amember of Parliament doesn't mean
to say that I've forgotten mygrassroots, where I've come from,
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the hard.
The hard days, you know, ofthe hard work, going without and
being a single mother at 21and with two children with not enough
food to feed all of us.
But I made sure the kids weredug up, and I made sure they had
a roof over the head.
I've never forgotten this, andI will never.
Good on you.
And I'll never forget it.
That's why I can relate to people.
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But don't expect me to go outthere or other people who work and
pay their taxes to give you away of living that you're not prepared
to actually fight for and do yourself.
Amen to that.
And as a son of a mum, I wasraised three boys.
And, you know, my father didhis best to be involved, but it was
a very thankless task.
And she did an amazing jobbecause look at.
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Well, mine did, and so did yours.
Look where we are.
You know, no one asked you tobring the children in the world.
You brought them in the world.
It's your responsibility.
Not your neighbors, not thefriend down the road, not someone
else on the other side of the country.
It's your responsibility.
And the buck stops with you.
And I'm sick of these people.
Oh, what's more for me, I'mover it.
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I'd love to ask you out of allof the misrepresentation that people,
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they think they hear somethingthat you're sharing and they lose
their whatever, what's themost frustrating thing out of all
of the things that people havejudged you for that you just wish
you could easily explain topeople that I have.
No regard for the aboriginalTorres Strait island people in this
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country, that they think I'msuperior because this racist tag
was thrown around there.
And that started the day of myelection in 1996.
I did an interview with theAustralian newspaper.
Anyway it was recorded but Isaid, I called for right the very
beginning I've called forequality for all Australians.
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And I said because of thepoliticians wisdom we're rearing
out all these benefits purelybased on race, which is racist in
itself.
So I always called for itshould be on a needs basis, not based
on race.
So anyway, the Australianwrote the article and on the Monday
after my election, 3rd of May1996, it said Hanson won't represent
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the Aboriginal and TongaAustralia Strait Islander people.
Well then they took me to theHuman Rights and equal Opportunity.
So they complained about that.
And then it went on from thereto the court Sir Rowling Wilson who
left, he's passed away now, hewas left leaning judge but once he
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actually got the tape from thehe made them present the full tape
of the interview.
And upon listening to the fulltape of the interview, it wasn't
at all what the Journal wrotein that article.
So there was no talk about Iwouldn't represent them at all.
So I was found not guilty.
From a front page Newsnight toa little article in the back, that's
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what happened.
So the people have thisopinion that I'm racist.
And I tell people out there,if you criticise anything, that's
not racism.
You question high immigration,that's not racism.
You question accountability,where the money's going, that's not
racism.
And if you call for equalityfor all Australians regardless of
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race, that is not racism.
So people need to wake up towhat is happening in our society.
And if you do support this,you are racist.
So that's what I say topeople, understand my policies, understand
what I said.
And the people say to me, oh,well, you're racist.
I said, tell me one racistcomment that I'm in.
And the word racist reallymeans to believe your race to be
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superior to another.
Never, ever, ever advocated that.
And as a Member of Parliament,I will continue to question where
the money's gone.
Accountability.
All Australians should betreated equally.
And I also have pointed outthat I respect those people that
have come from other countriesto have migrated to Australia and
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have given their undividedloyalty to children's country.
I respect those people as well.
I don't think I could move toanother country and give that country
another loyalty because I love Australia.
And I'll tell you this also, Iused to go to the citizenship ceremonies
Years ago, in 1997, 96, 97.
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And I was asked to as a memberof Parliament.
And the council in Ipswichused to invite me to it.
But then I used to stand thereand I'd welcome them and I'd tell
them, I said, I will tell younow, if you don't give this country
your undivided loyalty, I'llbe the first one to take you to the
airport, put you on a planeaway, that you were a.
They used to run us anyway, tothe shock and horror of the counselors
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and everyone else, theyactually stopped inviting me.
But guess what?
I was the last one there.
Still meeting each one of themhours after, while they had their
photos with me and all theothers were gone.
They weren't interested.
They all wanted to know me,talk to me.
And this is what.
This is who I am.
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Yes.
It doesn't take much,certainly for my own personal N equals
one to realize that peoplejust start leaning off the top and
running with that.
And as, as a New Zealanderwho's a dual Australian citizen through
descent, my father's thirdgeneration, fourth Generation Australian.
My wife is Russian, who's anAustralian citizen who graduated
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top of her class at VictoriaUniversity for English, speaks better
than better English than youand me put together now, and has
embraced the Australian culture.
And, you know, her last name'sMade Nova, which means six dog balls
and cricket, in case you'rewondering, like, how much more Australian
do you want to hear people?
So I'm on board with that, certainly.
And I'll tell you nothing alot of people don't realize.
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My first husband was Polish.
He actually came out hereafter the Second World War with his
mother, and his mother was onewho was in the concentration camps.
And he came out here as a sixyear old with this mother and, you
know, he was my husband.
So I understand refugees, Iunderstand the whole concept.
I understand about migrantscoming here for a new way of life.
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Well, not Australia.
Just going back to the, theracism comment.
What's so interesting to me isI know you don't know me very well.
I mean, my whole philosophy inlife is I just want to know the truth
so I can make an informed decision.
Yeah.
So I interviewed a guy, thisgentleman by name is Scott, who was
the former Grand Dragon in theKu Klux Klan.
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And you believe it now he's,he's, he, he got out of it and he's
working with Daryl Davis, theAfrican American man who's been taking
the clan costumes off the clan members.
Like he's been reassessing America.
In America.
Yeah, yeah.
Not in Australia.
And so he's seen the error ofhis ways and now he's the biggest,
you know, brand ambassadorfor, you know, bringing people together.
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But I, I was fascinated tolearn about why he would end up wanting
to go down that path.
And he shared with me, when hewas a young boy, he had a horribly
abusive father and he murderedpuppies by throwing them up against
the wall in front of Scottwhen he was like five or six.
And so he witnessed this andhe wanted connection.
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He tried to join the Italianmob, but they wouldn't let him in
because he wasn't Italian.
He tried to join Al Qaeda andcouldn't get in.
So he found his way into theclan and he said to me that all the
men that were part of thiscommunity all came from horribly
broken, abusive homes.
They want a sense of belonging.
Sense of belonging.
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So if we are to solve or beginto solve some of the major challenges
we've got going, we need tobring that sense of belonging back
towards a functional sense of belonging.
And maybe it's aroundReuniting as Australians.
Once again, politicians andI'd say United nations in their quest
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to actually get rid of thesovereignty of nations.
And basically they're tryingto destroy the Western values and
that's what's happening.
So you're breaking down thenational identity of a nation.
So all these people this way,people have been pushing for multiculturalism.
And right for the verybeginning, I was not for multiculturalism.
Multiculturalism can be very tribal.
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People go, oh, well, thedifferent foods and everything like
that, that's got nothing to dowith it.
People don't understand theconcept of it.
So multiculturalism to me isthat you have all the different concepts
of tribes coming here,different people can be Chinese,
can be, you know, Polish orcan be Russian, can be English, can
be American, whatever.
And so then what's taken intoconsideration is their beliefs, their
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cultures and their laws.
So when you have that, thenyou're not treating everyone under
the one manner as Australiansand under the laws treated equally.
Because when you take a caseto court, that person can be actually,
can I say prosecuted based ontheir cultural background, all their
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upbringing, you know, whatever.
So that for it, it does breakdown the national identity of a country.
So people should, who comehere, in my view, should learn to
speak the language and theyshould assimilate and feel part of
the community.
But they.
But this is, I believe, whatthe world UN and everyone says to
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break down the identity andit's called a mistake known as the
melting pot.
So when you actually breakdown the patriotism in the country,
then you can control the people.
They're trying to divide us.
Yeah, they are trying todivide us because no one stands up
because you haven't got thatpatriotism that's there to stand
up and fight for the country.
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So when you have all thesepeople that don't feel they don't
belong, so why should I fightfor it?
And I'll tell you now, if wehad a war here in this country, how
many think these people nowthat are here who possibly have dual
citizenship, that will say,I'm not going to fight for Australia,
I'll go back to my own country.
Why would I put my life in line?
Why would I fight this?
Have you got any idea?
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No idea.
Because do they really feel apart of it?
That's the question we need toask ourselves in moving forward.
Because there's always thefear that we could be Chinese might
come down here or anothercountry that may want to because
of who we are, where we are,our resources that we have.
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And for A lot of reasons thatwe need to make sure that we've got
the right people here thatwant to.
And that's why we've got toget back to patriotism, that we feel
we belong united in the country.
Not like the government'strying to do with this voice tried
to divide us again with theaboriginal people.
Regardless of the fact I wasborn here, this is my country.
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You know, for people to say goback where I came from, well, where's
that later?
No, it was just stupidity.
And that what frustrates meabout these idiots, these politicians,
they should be reuniting usand pulling us together, not dividing
us.
I agree.
And Pauline, I visited about35 countries and I've lived in seven
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now.
And what I find interesting isthat people are the same everywhere
I go.
I've been to China, Mexico, Colombia.
You know, I think what you,what you're saying when you say the
Chinese right is not thecollective Chinese people per se,
that the bureaucrats that arethe ones that are pulling the strings
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from a.
You know what I mean?
So I just think from that they're.
Being controlled because it'sunder communist and they actually
have to do what they're told.
Correct?
Yeah, it's, it's interesting.
And that's what I've come to learn.
Understanding the language around.
I think that's why some peopleare getting triggered because they're
not paying attention.
And I think I heard you saythis recently, that most Australians
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that are complaining haven'tbeen outside of Australia.
They don't know what it's like.
We live in this, this utopiaand Australia really hasn't gone
through any major crisis sinceWorld War II.
I mean like this show, there'sbeen some downturn, but like you
go to Venezuela talking to aguy yesterday, you know, you go to
Cuba, they had a famine.
My ex girlfriend was from Zimbabwe.
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The fruit bowl of Africa wentthrough hyperinflation and famine.
Like we can't imagine thesekind of things happening in this
country.
Do people have any idea about what.
Could happen if we don't thinkthe younger generation have traveled?
No, they don't.
And that's why the oldergeneration my age that have actually
experienced a differentAustralia after the war years.
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But not only that, we didn'thave everything at our fingertips.
And so they take a lot ofthings for granted and then they
scream about climate change,all the rest.
Are they going to do away withtheir mobile phones, Are they going
to do away with their computers?
Are they going to do away withtheir travel, their Car or whatever.
You know, these people reallyhaven't gone without much at all.
But there are some young ones,I'm not saying all young ones, but
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a lot of them being propped upby their families, by their parents
and grandparents.
So really, have they done it?
Tons.
Look, life's experiences willactually can put a different head
on your shoulders.
So what you've been through inlife will actually shape you and
mold you into your way of thinking.
And I think that's, we'remissing that from a lot of, I think
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bureaucrats and politiciansthat are being brainwashed through
an educational system or inthe universities that really aren't
trying to solve the problems.
It's all about their survival.
And that's what I findfrustrating about a lot is it's not
about your survival in yourjob as a politician, it's about you
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finding the solutions for thesurvival of Australians out there
that need that, that direction.
They need leadership andthat's what this country's lacking,
leadership.
If you were Prime Ministerpawning, do you think there would
be a magnified difference inthe kind of impact you'd be able
to have to Australia?
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Of course they would.
This country wouldn't want toknow what happened to them.
Would you like to do you dealin hypothetical?
Look, I think what we've gotto do is unite people.
You know, everyone needs to bemade feel a part of the nation.
We've actually got to addressour welfare system which is now 260
billion a year.
You've got nearly one third ofyour budget is paid out welter payments.
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You got over 900,000 peoplethat are sitting around on welfare.
That's no good for them, nogood for the country.
Future of the country.
We've got aged people livingin poverty.
The escalation of the cost ofliving, that's only because of government
policy gain.
Climate change.
That's what it's about.
It's a scam.
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Scam.
And there is another scam thatis out of control.
We can fix that tomorrow.
If they had the will to do it,we could actually open up this country
the resources that we have,resources that are just flowing out
of this country for other countries.
We're not benefiting from it.
And a case in point, we'reonly getting 2.4 billion now from
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our gas from the northwestshelf because I've harped and harped
about it to the former PrimeMinister and the current one three
prime ministers, mind you.
And we're now getting some 2.4 billion.
We were only getting 300million from it.
Now it's 2.4.
But we export more gas thanQatar and they're actually getting
26 billion plus a year fromtheir gas.
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So that's money that we'remissing out on.
The waste of spent money inthis country.
What the bureaucrats are paidis unbelievable.
They shouldn't be paid thatsort of money.
So, you know, the whole thingis whacked.
And the unions are running thecountry, the government, especially
the Labor Party.
(39:05):
There are so many things thatcan be addressed.
Our defence.
We're not looking after ourdefence personnel defence force.
Now they're putting out a callfor foreigners to come into our defence.
That's not going to end well,is it?
Oh, my goodness.
And then you've got.
The government thinks it's awise thing to pay $600 million to
Papuvas or their own football team.
(39:26):
Give me a break.
That's a hell of a league teamover there, isn't it?
We can't even look after ourown Olympians, that we expect them
to perform for us at the Olympics.
But we're giving money andbuilding stadiums for footballers
who are on what, huge amountsof monies.
So I'm sorry.
And they can be on aboutgender dysphoria, what's happening
(39:49):
to kids in classrooms.
I know you can be a girltoday, if you want to know, be a
boy.
How bloody ridiculous is allthis rubbish?
Do you want to hear a weirdLaban hypothesis?
Pauline, are you interested in this?
So I interviewed ProfessorStephanie Senneff on my show about
two and a half years ago.
She's a.
She got four degrees from MIT,including a PhD.
(40:10):
She's been studying glyphosateand autism, so Roundup and autism
for 30 years.
She explained to me themechanisms in which she believes,
and it's backed up by plentyof other people, how spectrum disorders
come about.
And I won't bore you with thedetails, but basically there's a
huge amount of childhoodvaccines when the child's born with
(40:31):
antibiotics, and then there'sinflammation of the brain and that's
where there's the spectrum disorders.
A disproportionate number ofthe transgender community, like 90
something percent.
Please fact check my numbers.
Folks are trans in the trans community.
What if, as a possibility,this whole transgender movement is
(40:55):
a direct result of overvaccinating our children and allowing
the food system to be poisonedwith excessive amounts of Roundup?
Look, I think it does need tobe investigated.
I was just Talking to a Dr.
Anya, in the last couple ofmonths and Said the amount of vaccines.
(41:17):
All my kids had their vaccinesand at that time it was only poly
diphtheria.
And what's the other one?
Measles.
They had measles and well,rubella was later on, but I'm talking
as babies.
So they had very limitedvaccinations at that time.
And he was telling me that inthe 1980s, my children were.
(41:41):
Prior to that, in the 70s,this 1980s, he said a child would
have around about 18vaccinations in total.
And about that time, now it'saround about 72.
So what they're doing.
And my daughter went to havean east.
And he said what they're doingis putting all the vaccines in one
shot.
(42:01):
He said you might have 20, 22vaccinations, different vaccinations
in one shot.
And he said the problem isthat it used to be spaced out.
Now they're trying to give itto the child all under three years
of age.
Because after three years ofage, parents aren't that, you know,
must have the vaccinations.
That's why they sell.
Let them all have thevaccinations prior to three.
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So anyway, this needs to be debated.
It needs to be talked aboutbecause the number of kids on the
spectrum, and I just got thefigures that now it's 3 in.
Back in the 1980s, it was only3 in 100,000 had autism.
Now it's 3 in every 100 thathas autism.
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We actually need to startinvestigating why this has happened
and not have a closed shopabout it.
Because kids out there couldhave a normal life.
We got to find out the reasonsfor it.
And if it's throughimmunization, if it's through pesticides,
if it's through somethingelse, we have to investigate why.
We owe it to the future generations.
Amen.
And I'm very appreciative ofyour time.
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I have to deal on hypotheticals.
Would you like to deal in hypothetical?
This is a roadmap to beingPrime Minister.
Well, well, let's just humorme for a second, right?
As a possibility, let's saythat the mandated MRNA vaccines that
were brought in two years ago,whatever, are responsible for a tremendous
(43:30):
amount of death and injury.
If I was in your situation,and I'm not, so it's easy for me
to say, I would double down onthinking about a solution for when
people find out about this asa possibility because there's going
to be a lot of very angrypeople and we need solutions for
(43:52):
these people.
Now, I realize this might seem quite.
Controversial so you wouldactually double down?
No, I would double down onfinding a solution to helping people
heal.
And.
And I believe that if PaulineHansen became the loudest voice,
which you kind of are alreadyin this country at addressing this
(44:13):
now, I think the.
The rest of the country, whenall this comes out, will rally around
and they will want you to leadthe country out of them.
Out of that.
Yeah.
But right from the verybeginning, I tell people, don't put
this shit into your body.
Yeah, very vocal.
Yeah.
Yeah, very vocal.
And the fact is that thelittle bit of information that I
(44:34):
had and what it could causeand also I don't want to put to anything.
I've never had a flu shot, an11 flu shot.
I'm not going to put foreignbodies into my body.
And the whole fact is thatthat wasn't manufactured properly.
It wasn't investigated, itwasn't tested.
Any information that I've donewith the tga, any medication or injection
(44:55):
or for disease that is testedat least seven to 10 years, sometimes
15 years.
This was done in a matter of months.
I'm sorry, it didn't add up to me.
And then on top of it, becausewe've had over probably more now,
140,000 adverse side effectsfrom it.
Autopsies weren't done on people.
They shut it down.
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There's no real informationthat's been put out.
And I've been telling peopleall along.
And the fact is, who's beenpushing from the very beginning for
royal commission into this hasbeen me.
And it has to be a royal commission.
You can't shut the door onanything now because we will be forced
to have, you know, go througha pandemic again.
(45:36):
It's not the first and ithasn't been the first and won't be
the last.
So we've got to know how tohandle it.
We have to put rules in placefor the government of the day and
the health bureaucrats and allthese other idiots out there have
to follow these rules and not just.
It's not just a Russianroulette game with people's lives.
I want to know the answers.
(45:57):
I want to put it in place.
And I don't trust who allthese other world health organizations
to tell us what we should bedoing here.
I'm sorry, I'm a person fortaking control of my own future,
my own life, and I wantanswers from the governments.
But they're all hiding,burying their head in the sand.
(46:17):
Nothing to see here.
Well, I'm telling you what,there's hell of A lot to say.
So if I'm ever in parliament,I still have in a position or I have
the power to actually exposethis for what has happened in this
country, for those people, Iwill do it.
Just for the record, everyone,I'm not suicidal.
And are you?
(46:38):
No.
So I want to finish on apositive note because we've just
spoken about some pretty heavystuff and I love that you're so open
about this, Paul, and I reallyappreciate it.
What advice?
Closing thoughts for someonelistening, watching to this, who
is in this early 60s that bythemselves they are running out of
(47:01):
money, they're broke.
What's some.
What's a message of openinspiration that the great Senator
Hanson can share.
No pressure, okay?
Stopping by yourself, there'splenty of organizations out there.
Go and join the men's share.
Go to your local church andthe communities.
You can have give of yourselfto actually find peace in your life.
(47:22):
You don't need to have a lotof money.
You can do anything.
Go out and do some gardening,go and grow some few veggies, do
some knitting like me, youknow, and find those people around
you.
Everything doesn't really comedown to money as long as you can
put a roof over your head andyou can feed yourself.
But when you can give to ofyourself to other people, you might
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have a wonderful talent outthere that people are just wanting
to tap into.
Never give up on yourself justbecause, oh, I'm 60, I'm too old
now, perhaps I've just turned 70.
And you know, and as I said toa lot of people and young ones also,
never pull yourself down.
There are so many people outthere who want to pull you down.
Put yourself on a pedestal andthe only one who can pull you off
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it is yourself.
Ladies and gentlemen, Paul and Handsome.
Thank you.
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Superpowers.
I got superpowers.
Superpowers.
Power.
I got super power.
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