October 6, 2025 • 42 mins
In this powerful episode, we sit down with Mary Lyn Hammer, a pioneering force in student loan reform and a passionate health advocate. With over 37 years of experience and a legacy that has impacted more than 3 million students, Mary shares her groundbreaking work as the first full-time default manager in the U.S. But her journey doesn’t stop there.
Mary opens up about her harrowing battle with Lyme disease and a life-threatening blood infection, revealing how she turned personal adversity into a mission of hope and healing. Through candid storytelling, humor, and resilience, she explores the mindset shifts that helped her survive and thrive.
Whether you're navigating health challenges, interested in education policy, or simply seeking inspiration, this episode delivers insight, empowerment, and a touch of fun.
Takeaways:
- Mary Lyn Hammer is a pioneer in student loan reform, advocating for over three decades.
- She survived a rare blood infection and Lyme disease, transforming her life and others.
- Her book 'Injustice for All' reveals deep systemic issues in education reporting.
- Mary emphasizes the importance of mindset in overcoming personal and health challenges.
- Her personal journey inspired her to offer healing strategies to those affected by Lyme disease.
- Mary's advocacy work has impacted over 3 million students, showcasing her dedication.
- www.championscompanies.com
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Today's guest is MaryLinhammer, a nationally recognized
expert in loan student loanreform and a powerful voice in health
and wellness advocacy.
Mary has made history as thefirst time, first all time, first
full time default manager inthe country and has spent the last
37 years shaping every majorlaw and federal regulation related
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to student loan defaultprevention since 1988.
She continues to work withpolicymakers, including the Trump
administration, on realsolutions to student loan crisis.
Mary is the founder and CEO ofChampion College Services and her
work has impacted over 3million students.
Her book Injustice for Allexposes systemic corruption in the
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education reporting anddetails of her courageous decision
to turn evidence against theUS Department of Education in 22
in 2014-2015.
But Mary's journey doesn'tstop at policy reform.
After surviving a near deathexperience and a rare blood infection
with a 3% survival rate, shehealed herself and her daughter who
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has born was born with rareLyme disease from Lyme disease and
multiple co infections.
Her new book, over Over MyDead Body chronicles the decade long
battle and offers hope,research, healing strategies and
others facing similar health challenges.
Mary's story is one ofresilience, advocacy and transformation.
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Whether she's fighting forstudents or helping others reclaim
her health, she bringsunmatched insight and inspiration.
We're honored to welcome Maryto the podcast.
Thank you, thank you.
Good to have you.
I actually go by Mary Lynn.
Oh good, Mary Lynn.
My mom's from Georgia, so weall had two names.
I'm from Louisiana.
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I know all those people.
I always laugh because when mybrother was little we called him
Billy Neal and I just thoughtthat was hilarious.
That's too funny.
So Barry Lynn, I'm going toask you my favorite question.
What's the best piece ofadvice you've ever received?
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Oh boy.
You know, if I go back to thebeginning of really my growth journey,
I was 22 years old and one ofmy clients, I was selling investment
art at an art gallery inHouston, Texas.
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And it was right before theoil market crashed.
And my clients, it was a manand his wife and they came in and
he gave me a cassette tape ofThink and Grow Rich.
And it was Earl Nightingale'srecording of the shorter version,
not the whole book, but theshorter version.
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And I listened to that everynight, every morning.
I did everything it said andwhen they gave that to me, I had
two pieces of furniture andthe mattress I had purchased I bought
for it was a king sizemattress I got for $25 and we folded
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it in half like a taco to getit through the door.
So I was very broke and I dideverything that that book told me
to do.
And I mean I had three by five cards.
I actually found them when I moved.
I just found them from, fromway back when I had signs up all
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over my mirrors.
The only piece of art I hadwas my vision board.
And my friends used to give mesuch a hard time and because they'd
come in and go, nicedecorations, Maryland.
But you know what, they're,they're all proud of me now because
I'm a self made millionaire.
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And it was through a lot ofhard work.
But the number one thing, andI've studied with Tony Robbins, I
was a Platt partner for yearsand several other people that are
big in the personaldevelopment industry.
And the number one path tosuccess is your mindset.
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If you don't have your mind inthe right place, then you're never
going to heal.
You're never going to make anydifference in the world.
You know, you, it's hard toget through the days sometimes.
And when you start realizingthat you have control over what and
how you think it can changeyour world.
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Wow, that's powerful.
Thank you for sharing that story.
I love that.
That's give some goodbackground about your journey and
your life story.
Yeah.
Thank you.
So you've had a remarkablecareer in education reform and advocacy.
Can you kind of share how yourlife shifted from when you began
experiencing, when you beganexperiencing mysterious health symptoms?
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Well, that didn't happen untilI was really in my 40s.
And prior to that I wassomewhat of a maniac.
I, I was a professional dancer.
My, my biggest claim to fameis that I was a dancer on the first
live broadcast of MTV.
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I was 19 years old and nobodyhad ever heard of MTV.
And it was more like AmericanBandstand back then.
And so, you know, they said,this is how much you're going to
get paid.
And I was like, where do I sign?
I had no idea what it was.
And, and so that's my claim to fame.
So I was a dancer, I was askier, a world class skier.
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And I skied like that.
I was a extreme skiers.
So when I say I was a bit of amaniac, like I was, I was the person
jumping off of cliffs andjumping out of helicopters and, and
it was usually me and, and abunch of guys.
And I wouldn't trade thoseexperiences for anything.
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And I did that until I was 38years old and I was still ranked
in the top 5 to 10% of skiers.
In the world at that point.
And then I got pregnant.
My daughter was a surprisegift, and I had her when I was 39
years old, and I got bit by atick the first month I was pregnant.
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So she was actually born withLyme disease.
And then, you know, as amaniac would do.
After I gave birth, I startedworking out like crazy again.
Got to lose the weight and getback in shape, and I was working
out, getting weaker andweaker, and nobody could explain
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it.
And I kept hearing this, youknow, well, at your age.
And I'm thinking, I'm 40.
What are you talking about?
You know, I was just jumpingout of helicopters a year ago.
You know, it made no sense at all.
And I've also been into healthfood and diet, you know, organic
diet, since I was in my 20s.
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That journey also began then.
And, you know, my doctor wouldsay, you're the healthiest person
I know and the unhealthiestperson I know all at the same time.
And he was from Hawaii.
He was actually my dancepartner when.
When this all started, but hehad no experience with Lyme disease.
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And I just went from doctor todoctor to doctor, and nobody could
give me answers.
It took six and a half yearsto diagnose me.
And by the time I wasdiagnosed, I could barely walk up
a flight of stairs.
And, you know, I was a singlemom and running companies and flying
all over the country and goingto Washington to write laws.
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In fact, I nearly died.
I got a blood infection fromthe IV port in 2008, and the higher
education bill passed onAugust 14, and I nearly died the
week of Labor Day.
So this week is a biganniversary for me because it was
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the point where I. I waslaying in bed, my skin was gray,
my hair had fallen out, myguts were falling out, and I was
just laying in bed and prayingthat I wouldn't die.
And I crossed over numerous times.
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And I also had a brother whodied the same year I was born.
And it was two weeks beforehis fourth birthday.
And I had always felt him.
My whole life, I could feel him.
We were connected.
And so I considered him one ofmy angels.
And when I crossed over, hewas there.
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Sorry, it's still emotional.
He was there.
And I said, oh, you're here totake me into the light.
And it was literally like awhite tunnel, a of light.
And he said, no, I'm here totell you it's not your time.
You're going back.
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I was kind of like, okay.
And.
And then we had thisconversation that was very similar.
To, you know, siblings givingme a hard time.
And, and I really didn't wantto leave my daughter because she
was only 7 years old at the time.
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And, and then it felt like Iwas falling and, and when you're
out of your body, you don'tfeel the pain.
It's very beautiful andpeaceful and, and, and I was in excruciating
pain.
I mean, that, that you're,you're a guy.
So it's hard for men to relateto it, but it made a childbirth feel
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like a broken nail.
Oh, wow.
It was so painful.
And I refused to take painmedicine because that was the only
way I knew whether theantibiotics were working or not.
And I had a therapist thatkept saying, this man's wife had
the same pattern that you had.
And they found out the name ofthe infection right before she died.
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And it was too late.
And she said, but you have thesame pattern.
So I called her up on theTuesday after Labor Day and I said,
can you please get ahold ofthis man and get the name of the
infection?
And she called him and he wasout of town and he said he would
be back on Friday.
And she said, I don't think mypatient's going to last that long.
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And so he called his son andhad the son pull his mom's medical
records and get us the name ofthe blood infection.
And they got me on the rightantibiotics and that saved my life.
You know, two people I'venever met.
I wrote them a huge thank you note.
And so that was the turnaround.
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And there were so many Godmoments that I was given insights
and I don't, you know, I haveno explanation for it.
And a lot of the things thathappen still to this day, I have
no explanation explanation forit except that God's leading me.
And so from that point I wassignificantly better and so was my
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daughter.
We discovered quite a few things.
I use an energetic device andI had one back then.
And that was like the oldcomputer days where it was this rather
large device.
Now it's like the size of acell phone.
And I saw patterns and Ifigured a lot of it out through that.
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However, the biggest answerscame through just these insights
that would drop into my lap.
And over Christmas I put mydaughter and me both on this greens
first cleanse because Ithought we have to get all these
medications out.
Because at one point I wastaking 300 pills a day.
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I was getting 12 IVs a weekand taking about 300 pills a day.
Elizabeth was only 5 when wewere diagnosed, so she wasn't taking
as many.
And her infection wasn't asbad as mine.
Probably there was some filterthere because she caught it in utero.
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But we both got extremely sick.
And I went back to the doctor,and he said, your blood infection
is back.
And it freaked me out.
And he was on the phone tryingto figure out what antibiotic to
put me on.
And I was reading the researchmaterials about the blood infection
on his computer.
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And there was no testingfacility in the United States at
that time for that blood infection.
The testing facility was inFrance, and it said it had a biofilm.
And right before they did theemergency surgery to take my IV port
out, they were taking bloodout of the port, and all this white
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stuff went into the syringe.
And the doctors were like,what is this?
There was four doctors in theclinic when it happened.
Nobody knew what it was.
And I was being a smarty andsaid, you know, if that's fat, can
we take some of it out of my butt?
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I can't help myself.
Anyway, it came back from thelab that it was a fibrin fibrinogen
material.
And the research back then wasfairly new about biofilm.
And so I knew there wasbiofilm associated with Lyme disease.
And now at that point, I sawthat it was also associated with
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this blood infection.
And what we figured out wasthat the enzymes in the greens first
cleanse, that were plantenzymes, you know, fruit and vegetables,
were dissolving the biofilm,and it let the pathogen back out.
So we did a protocol ofrotating through various enzymes
at the same time.
We were on antibiotics.
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And about six weeks into that,my daughter, you know, she.
I had kept her active, buteven in gymnastics, she would.
She would get really tired andhave to rest in between each event.
You know, she would dosomething, and then she'd have to
lay down on the mat.
And she came home from school,and it was a Monday, and she said,
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mommy, it's the best Monday ofmy life.
And I said, why, honey?
And she said, because I'm not tired.
And that's when I knew that wehad it.
And it took longer for myblood infection to go away.
And actually, at that time, Ihad been appointed to a negotiating
team in Washington, and I wasnegotiating the higher education
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bill that passed in 2008,right before I almost died.
And I was still on antibioticsfor all this stuff when I went to
Washington.
And it's very, very intense.
And the bellman had to carryme to my room one day.
I was so Exhausted, I didn'thave any energy to even walk to my
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room.
But I was going there anywaybecause education was my passion.
And we got through that, andwe've been Lyme free ever since.
Like, our immune systems havegotten stronger, physically stronger.
I skied this winter, and, youknow, we got our lives back.
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And my daughter graduated fromcollege with honors, and I'm so proud
of her.
And, you know, and thecognitive challenges were the.
Probably the most difficultthing for her.
And, you know, she developedin that with the pathogens.
So that's.
That's a short version of our story.
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That's a powerful story.
When did you realize, though,during the story, that the medical
profession wasn't going to beable to help?
You had to become your own detective?
Well, you know, when theyfirst told me that I had Lyme disease,
I had heard about it, but Ireally didn't know anything about
it.
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And so I'm a researcher.
I like digging, and I go downa lot of rabbit holes, which probably
saved my life.
And every time they would tellme something, I'd go and research
it.
And so I became veryknowledgeable about the subject matter.
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And then the people with Lymedisease at our clinic, we called
it the IV room.
Like, everybody in there hadLyme disease, and we were all getting
IVs, and I had this energeticdev, and I started testing everybody
in the room and seeingpatterns, you know, that the people
who were severely ill had apattern of high amounts of heavy
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metals, high viral loads, which.
The viral loads happen whenyour immune system is down.
So your immune system down,your viruses take off.
So, you know, you get food allergies.
You have all of these symptomsthat are a result of your immune
system being weak.
And then as you build yourimmune system back up, the food allergies
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start going away.
And the viruses.
Well, I found a fabulousproduct for the viruses that was
a God moment for sure.
My doctor sent me to go pickup some medications, and when I got
to the distributor, this wassitting on the counter, and I was
like, what is that?
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And she said, oh, my gosh, youneed to know about this product.
Like, it was a fluke, becauseI. I think that's the only time I
ever went to pick up medicinefor him.
So.
And I happened to find thisproduct, and it's.
It's the product that.
It's called Humicel.
And it.
It encapsulates the virus, soit can't attach to a host cell, so
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it doesn't replicate.
So it works on everything.
Epstein Barr Cytomegalovirus,HHV6, herpes, shingles, Covid.
And just getting rid of theviruses builds your immune system
up because they're so taxingon the body.
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But that's where I started.
And My daughter was 5 and Ididn't want to leave her and I didn't
want her to be sick.
So I was highly motivated tofind answers.
I didn't want her to suffer.
It's the word I. I was upsetwhen I knew I had it.
But when he said, you're.
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How about your daughter?
You can get this in utero.
And my heart sunk it.
You know, it's hard todescribe how desperate you feel when
you know your child is ill. Wow.
So part one of your book, wejust kind of gave that story.
Part two of your book.
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You deal with the researchthat you went through, the protocols
that work for you.
What are some of the mostsurprising or empowering discoveries
you've made during that partof your search?
Well, one of the things, well,the heavy metals is a big deal.
That wasn't really surprisingto me because I grew up in a mining
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town.
Where did you get all these?
You know, I used to be the kidthat was in the sand dunes playing
with the little balls of mercury.
You know, they were like thisbig and you, you could move them
and they jiggle and.
Yeah, I was playing with those.
And then I would play with thelead, like get a magnet and.
And we'd have contests to seewho could get the highest strings
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of lead.
I mean, we were.
That was like our playground.
So that wasn't a shocker.
But one of the things that Ifigured out in about 2007 was that
people were resonating for tuberculosis.
It was like a mutation of tuberculosis.
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And tuberculosis is a mycotoxin.
And at the time I thought itwas coming into people from the vaccines.
I mean, that was really theonly insight that I had at the time.
And so I agreed to do aprotocol, six week protocol of streptomycin,
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which is injection.
My daughter, we used oral.
That's not as effective.
But I didn't want her to havethe side effects of the injection,
which could, could be hearing loss.
And I thought she was tooyoung to take a risk like that.
And the die off was so greatthat I smelled like a rotting animal.
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It was horrible.
And I was still dancing at thetime and my dance partner was my
doctor and we were doing aLatin cha cha routine.
And every time I raised myarm, I'd be like, I am so sorry.
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It just smelled terribly andthen the die off was tremendous.
And so we thought at the timethat the Lyme was feeding off of
the mycotoxin because all ofthe infection rates started coming
down.
And In December of 2019, theCDC finally released a report saying
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that humans could contracttuberculosis from deer.
Wow.
And so, you know, 12 yearslater, it became public that it was
actually a co infection of theLyme and that's how it came into
the body.
But most people had that pieceof it.
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And the mycotoxins.
I see those on every singlescan that I do when I, when I take
people on, I do a full body scan.
It's.
It's $495 to do the scan.
And if you got traditionalmedical tests for all of that, it
would be tens of thousands ofdollars to get the same amount of
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information that I get a scan.
It doesn't spit out the answers.
You have to look for thepatterns, and then everybody's a
little bit different.
So Lyme has 46 differentmutations of DNA.
It mutates into 14 differentlife forms.
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There's a ton of co infections.
And then you have to take intoconsideration the person's past and
what they've had, because,like, when you start dissolving biofilm,
it'll let anything out,anything they've ever had.
So when I start working withsomebody, I have to do extensive
research because, say, ifsomebody had like a septic infection
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in the past and they've gotLyme disease and I know we're going
to start dissolving thebiofilm, we have to get antibiotics
for all of it, because if itcomes out, you have to address it.
And sometimes they'repathogens that could kill somebody.
Like, you have to take it very seriously.
And I have to work with thedoctors because the enzymes also
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thin the blood.
Like, whenever you takeenzymes, if you're also on blood
thinners, you have to be very,very careful because your blood will
get too thin.
So I just, I just keepresearching, I keep finding new things
and different answers.
There's a new, it's not a newproduct line, but it's new products
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for a company that I've beenusing for a long time.
And it's a detox program usinghemp and cbd and it actually pulls
the toxins not just fromaround the cells, but from the interior
of the cells.
And those products aresupposed to be available on the 15th.
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And I've got a group of peoplealready where we're gonna do a baseline
scan and then A scan aftereach of the cleanses.
I'm so excited about itbecause the faster I can get somebody
well, the better.
They have to be as dedicatedto it as I am.
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And.
And some people can go fasterthan others.
I'm a get it over with girls,so I just want to blast through things.
That's just my personality.
It's like, okay, let's get it over.
Give me everything.
And, you know, and some peoplecan't handle that.
I mean, I've worked withpeople that have had lyme disease
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for 30, 40, 50 years.
And, you know, so they've been.
They've been sick for a long time.
And, you know, that's wherethe mindset becomes part of the protocol
is because you have to pull.
Sometimes pull people out frombeing more addicted to the.
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Are more committed to theillness than they are to their healing.
So if somebody were to reachout to you and ask for help, what
would you start with them?
Just kind of give them a senseof what they would be experiencing.
Well, there's really threestages of healing with the.
We call it the Lyme crusher isour protocol.
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And I've packaged a programthat includes three to four months
of products.
It includes superfoods, itincludes cleanses, it includes regular
scans.
I'm very active with my clients.
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We're usually texting all thetime, and at the end of it, we're
usually really good friends.
And, you know, I don't want apatient for life.
I want a friend for life.
I want to see people outliving their lives again.
I have no connection to, like this.
This will just make them sick forever.
So I can keep treating them.
I don't want to do that.
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I'm not interested in that.
So the three stages are theprepare stage, which is a lot of
cleansing and building up thebody strength, because if your detox
pathways are clogged, thenyou're never going to make it through
the killing stage without awhole lot of discomfort and putting
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your health in real danger, truthfully.
So Lyme releases neurotoxinsand does all these things to you.
So we want to get all of thatout of the body.
And it's usually very clogged up.
When I take somebody on, like,their liver's clogged, their kidneys
are clogged, their lymphaticsystem is clogged.
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A lot of them have skin issues.
Those are the four mainpathways for getting rid of toxins.
So we have to open up thosepathways and clean them out.
Then we bring down, like, theViral load and all of, I call them
opportunistic infections.
It's everything that thathappens when your body becomes weak.
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The scan results that we getshow what foods they're allergic
to.
And the more compromised yourimmune system is, the more foods
you'll be allergic to.
So I ask them, I can't forceanybody to do anything, but I ask
them to stay away from thosefoods for the time building, for
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the time being.
Because every little bit ofstress that your body has on it is
energy that you're taking awayfrom healing the main pathogen that's
causing all this weakness.
So the first part we call prepare.
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And so that's detoxing andbuilding up the body strength.
And then when we get to acertain aspect of it, that which,
and that includes heavymetals, parasites, you know, the
organs cleaning, like it'svery comprehensive.
Then when we get past thatstage, I have to work with a physician
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and that's when we startintroducing the products that break
down the biofilm and themedications used for killing the
Lyme.
And Lyme is a spirochete, soit, it looks like a corkscrew, so
it can actually like piercecell membranes.
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And it's the same pathogenfamily syphilis.
So people think that this isnot transmissible from human to human.
And that is absolutely false.
My daughter got it in utero.
It's just now coming out thatthat happens.
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You know, I've not.
She's 24 now, so I've knownthat since we were diagnosed.
It can be passed sexually.
And so when you have a family,you really have to treat the family,
especially the couple, but thechildren can, because otherwise you
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just pass it back and forthlike you're not going to heal.
If you can't get your spouse,you either have to practice safe
sex or they need to be treated too.
And sometimes that's a shockbecause they're not always on board
with that.
So at that point we addressall of that.
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And then I do the scan everytwo weeks so that I can see, you
know, this form is activeright now.
So let's switch from A to B oryou know, whatever is going on with
the person.
This is the part where it'sthe most different for people when
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we're actually killing the pathogens.
And one of the co infectionsis called Babesia, which is similar
to malaria and that is usuallythe last to go.
That seems to be the mostdifficult to get rid of.
And it's the same protocol aspeople use to get rid of malaria.
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And if you've ever looked intothat or gone to Africa or anything.
There's, there's a mildermalaria and there's a more aggressive
malaria and it's a lot oftimes we have to use the same protocol
as the more aggressive malariato actually get rid of that one.
So it's really tick bornediseases, not just Lyme disease.
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People just traditionally kindof wrap them all together under that
name, but it's really tickborder borne illnesses.
And you know, I've throughresearching, you know, people come
to me and they've got, it'slike, well there's a Lyme going on,
but they have other thingsgoing on.
And what I've discovered isthat every chronic illness that I've
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encountered has a biofilm.
It does similar things to thebody's immune system.
So, so that piece of it issimilar where you have to do the
detoxes and we detox theentire time because you're cleaning
up the body.
Then when you actually killthe pathogens, you have to have a
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pathway to get the neurotoxinsout which go up because they puke
out the neurotoxins when they die.
And then there's.
People don't like to hear thispart, but the dead carcasses, you
have to get those out of thebody, you know, because they're actual
physical things that arefloating around in your body at that
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point.
So we detox through that stageas well.
And then the last part of itis detoxing all of the medications
and everything that they justwent through and you have to reprogram
the immune system.
So, so the immune system atthat point is like hyper reactive.
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Like my daughter was in thesecond grade when we got rid of it.
And the first few times thatshe got a cold after we got rid of
the Lyme disease, she wouldhave 104 fever.
Like it just went.
Her little immune system waslike, oh no, we're sick again.
You know, and it's just overreacting.
And so we had to reprogram itto go, it's okay, it's just a cold.
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And then build the body backup and make sure you're getting the
right nutrients.
And then ideally I want tohave people that have good health
for the rest of their lives.
So when I'm working withsomebody, I explain everything.
You get a tremendous amountof, of information and protocols
and what they do and whythey're on them.
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Because I don't, I, I'm notjust going to give somebody something.
I go, just trust me, take ThisI want them to understand why, why
they're taking it.
And the whole reason I startedthis company originally was that
the, the cost of this istremendous because most of it's not
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covered by health insurance.
And so I wanted to be able tooffer products and services at a
discount because when I wasgoing through this, you know, I had
both my daughter and me, and,and so a lot of the equipment and
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the products I would buymyself because when you, you know,
you're having to pay for allthis stuff for two people, after
a while it's like, well, itmakes more sense for me to have ozone
machine.
It makes more sense for me tohave my own, you know, red light
machine.
So I have all this equipmentthat supports the healing and building
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the body up.
And so that's the last stageof it is really building the body
back up, the immune systemback up, getting everything to work
right again.
You know, like they told methey didn't know if my organs would
ever work right again.
And a lot of that was from theblood infection.
But that also happens withwhen you have Lyme disease for a
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long time.
And today I'm on about a thirdof the thyroid medicine that I was
on for years, and that'sreally the only thing I take.
Wow, where can people connectwith you and find out more about
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what you do?
Well, we have a website, it'schampion4life.com and, you know,
and it's really about healthand wellness, you know, physically
and emotionally.
You know, the emotionalcomponent of it is.
It's key.
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And, you know, I talked aboutmindset earlier.
So when you break the wordLyme in two, it's lie and me.
And so I ask people to thinkabout what lie are you telling yourself?
What lie am I telling methat's keeping me from getting well?
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And for people who've had Lymefor a long time, their support system
usually ends up being otherpeople that have Lyme disease because
their friends and familycompletely don't understand it.
I can't tell you how manytimes you hear, well, you look fine
and you're dying inside.
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And you know, people getimpatient with you.
They don't understand why youcan't remember things or do things
that used to be easy.
They just don't understand it.
I have one patient whosehusband was like, yeah, I just don't
believe this.
And.
And she had had it since shewas 13 years old.
Like, he didn't know her well,like in a well state, and he really
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didn't believe her until sheStarted getting well.
And then he.
And then he was like, oh,maybe there is something to this.
And, you know, so now all of asudden, he's going, oh, I guess you
did have something, because he didn't.
He had never experienced her well.
And, you know, she was.
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She.
This summer, she was up hikingin Zion national park and doing all
the, you know, with a backpack on.
And, you know, I just lovethat I tell people, you can either
use your adversities in lifeas an excuse for your behavior, a
reason for making a change.
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And so that was my mindsetgoing into this training.
And the training I went to wasTony Robbins date with Destiny.
And I had been there before.
And so it wasn't my firsttaking time, taking the class, but
he went into a meditation andhe says, go back to your first memory.
And like, oh, my gosh, I'vebeen working on my parent thing for
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years.
I'm just going to be open.
And so I just opened up andGod came in and he showed me how
much it hurt him to allow meto be hurt.
Like I've been hurt during mylife so that I could fulfill my purpose
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for being here.
But having him show me that.
That, you know, that God hadto make choices to allow me to be
beaten as a child and rapedand to go through the whole Lyme
trauma and almost die.
And it was all for a purpose.
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So with the abuse from mychildhood, I built numerous businesses
in the education industry.
And through my companies, I'veworked with over 3 million students,
and I've affected nearly fourdecades of college students through
lawmaking and regulatory making.
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And then, because I wentthrough the Lyme disease and the
blood infection and I almostdied, I have answers.
I have a way to make people well.
And, you know, it might notget everybody well, but it'll get
you significantly healthier.
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And if.
If we can get everybody well,that's my goal.
But.
But just knowing that therewas purpose behind all of that pain
and that God shared in thegrief and the.
And the pain of it with me.
Well, Mary, that's powerful.
Thank you.
And that's a great way for usto wrap this up.
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Thank you for what you do andthe impact that you're having on
people's lives, becauseblessings on what you're doing.
Thank you very much.
Today's guest is MaryLinhammer, a nationally recognized
expert in loan student loanreform and a powerful voice in health
and wellness advocacy.
Mary has made history as thefirst time, first all time, first
full time default manager inthe country and has spent the last
37 years shaping every majorlaw and federal regulation related
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to student loan defaultprevention since 1988.
She continues to work withpolicymakers, including the Trump
administration, on realsolutions to student loan crisis.
Mary is the founder and CEO ofChampion College Services and her
work has impacted over 3million students.
Her book Injustice for Allexposes systemic corruption in the
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education reporting anddetails of her courageous decision
to turn evidence against theUS Department of Education in 22
in 2014-2015.
But Mary's journey doesn'tstop at policy reform.
After surviving a near deathexperience and a rare blood infection
with a 3% survival rate, shehealed herself and her daughter who
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has born was born with rareLyme disease from Lyme disease and
multiple co infections.
Her new book, over Over MyDead Body chronicles the decade long
battle and offers hope,research, healing strategies and
others facing similar health challenges.
Mary's story is one ofresilience, advocacy and transformation.
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Whether she's fighting forstudents or helping others reclaim
her health, she bringsunmatched insight and inspiration.
We're honored to welcome Maryto the podcast.
Thank you, thank you.
Good to have you.
I actually go by Mary Lynn.
Oh good, Mary Lynn.
My mom's from Georgia, so weall had two names.
I'm from Louisiana.
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I know all those people.
I always laugh because when mybrother was little we called him
Billy Neal and I just thoughtthat was hilarious.
That's too funny.
So Barry Lynn, I'm going toask you my favorite question.
What's the best piece ofadvice you've ever received?
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Oh boy.
You know, if I go back to thebeginning of really my growth journey,
I was 22 years old and one ofmy clients, I was selling investment
art at an art gallery inHouston, Texas.
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And it was right before theoil market crashed.
And my clients, it was a manand his wife and they came in and
he gave me a cassette tape ofThink and Grow Rich.
And it was Earl Nightingale'srecording of the shorter version,
not the whole book, but theshorter version.
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And I listened to that everynight, every morning.
I did everything it said andwhen they gave that to me, I had
two pieces of furniture andthe mattress I had purchased I bought
for it was a king sizemattress I got for $25 and we folded
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it in half like a taco to getit through the door.
So I was very broke and I dideverything that that book told me
to do.
And I mean I had three by five cards.
I actually found them when I moved.
I just found them from, fromway back when I had signs up all
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over my mirrors.
The only piece of art I hadwas my vision board.
And my friends used to give mesuch a hard time and because they'd
come in and go, nicedecorations, Maryland.
But you know what, they're,they're all proud of me now because
I'm a self made millionaire.
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And it was through a lot ofhard work.
But the number one thing, andI've studied with Tony Robbins, I
was a Platt partner for yearsand several other people that are
big in the personaldevelopment industry.
And the number one path tosuccess is your mindset.
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If you don't have your mind inthe right place, then you're never
going to heal.
You're never going to make anydifference in the world.
You know, you, it's hard toget through the days sometimes.
And when you start realizingthat you have control over what and
how you think it can changeyour world.
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Wow, that's powerful.
Thank you for sharing that story.
I love that.
That's give some goodbackground about your journey and
your life story.
Yeah.
Thank you.
So you've had a remarkablecareer in education reform and advocacy.
Can you kind of share how yourlife shifted from when you began
experiencing, when you beganexperiencing mysterious health symptoms?
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Well, that didn't happen untilI was really in my 40s.
And prior to that I wassomewhat of a maniac.
I, I was a professional dancer.
My, my biggest claim to fameis that I was a dancer on the first
live broadcast of MTV.
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I was 19 years old and nobodyhad ever heard of MTV.
And it was more like AmericanBandstand back then.
And so, you know, they said,this is how much you're going to
get paid.
And I was like, where do I sign?
I had no idea what it was.
And, and so that's my claim to fame.
So I was a dancer, I was askier, a world class skier.
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And I skied like that.
I was a extreme skiers.
So when I say I was a bit of amaniac, like I was, I was the person
jumping off of cliffs andjumping out of helicopters and, and
it was usually me and, and abunch of guys.
And I wouldn't trade thoseexperiences for anything.
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And I did that until I was 38years old and I was still ranked
in the top 5 to 10% of skiers.
In the world at that point.
And then I got pregnant.
My daughter was a surprisegift, and I had her when I was 39
years old, and I got bit by atick the first month I was pregnant.
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So she was actually born withLyme disease.
And then, you know, as amaniac would do.
After I gave birth, I startedworking out like crazy again.
Got to lose the weight and getback in shape, and I was working
out, getting weaker andweaker, and nobody could explain
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it.
And I kept hearing this, youknow, well, at your age.
And I'm thinking, I'm 40.
What are you talking about?
You know, I was just jumpingout of helicopters a year ago.
You know, it made no sense at all.
And I've also been into healthfood and diet, you know, organic
diet, since I was in my 20s.
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That journey also began then.
And, you know, my doctor wouldsay, you're the healthiest person
I know and the unhealthiestperson I know all at the same time.
And he was from Hawaii.
He was actually my dancepartner when.
When this all started, but hehad no experience with Lyme disease.
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And I just went from doctor todoctor to doctor, and nobody could
give me answers.
It took six and a half yearsto diagnose me.
And by the time I wasdiagnosed, I could barely walk up
a flight of stairs.
And, you know, I was a singlemom and running companies and flying
all over the country and goingto Washington to write laws.
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In fact, I nearly died.
I got a blood infection fromthe IV port in 2008, and the higher
education bill passed onAugust 14, and I nearly died the
week of Labor Day.
So this week is a biganniversary for me because it was
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the point where I. I waslaying in bed, my skin was gray,
my hair had fallen out, myguts were falling out, and I was
just laying in bed and prayingthat I wouldn't die.
And I crossed over numerous times.
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And I also had a brother whodied the same year I was born.
And it was two weeks beforehis fourth birthday.
And I had always felt him.
My whole life, I could feel him.
We were connected.
And so I considered him one ofmy angels.
And when I crossed over, hewas there.
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Sorry, it's still emotional.
He was there.
And I said, oh, you're here totake me into the light.
And it was literally like awhite tunnel, a of light.
And he said, no, I'm here totell you it's not your time.
You're going back.
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I was kind of like, okay.
And.
And then we had thisconversation that was very similar.
To, you know, siblings givingme a hard time.
And, and I really didn't wantto leave my daughter because she
was only 7 years old at the time.
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And, and then it felt like Iwas falling and, and when you're
out of your body, you don'tfeel the pain.
It's very beautiful andpeaceful and, and, and I was in excruciating
pain.
I mean, that, that you're,you're a guy.
So it's hard for men to relateto it, but it made a childbirth feel
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like a broken nail.
Oh, wow.
It was so painful.
And I refused to take painmedicine because that was the only
way I knew whether theantibiotics were working or not.
And I had a therapist thatkept saying, this man's wife had
the same pattern that you had.
And they found out the name ofthe infection right before she died.
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And it was too late.
And she said, but you have thesame pattern.
So I called her up on theTuesday after Labor Day and I said,
can you please get ahold ofthis man and get the name of the
infection?
And she called him and he wasout of town and he said he would
be back on Friday.
And she said, I don't think mypatient's going to last that long.
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And so he called his son andhad the son pull his mom's medical
records and get us the name ofthe blood infection.
And they got me on the rightantibiotics and that saved my life.
You know, two people I'venever met.
I wrote them a huge thank you note.
And so that was the turnaround.
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And there were so many Godmoments that I was given insights
and I don't, you know, I haveno explanation for it.
And a lot of the things thathappen still to this day, I have
no explanation explanation forit except that God's leading me.
And so from that point I wassignificantly better and so was my
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daughter.
We discovered quite a few things.
I use an energetic device andI had one back then.
And that was like the oldcomputer days where it was this rather
large device.
Now it's like the size of acell phone.
And I saw patterns and Ifigured a lot of it out through that.
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However, the biggest answerscame through just these insights
that would drop into my lap.
And over Christmas I put mydaughter and me both on this greens
first cleanse because Ithought we have to get all these
medications out.
Because at one point I wastaking 300 pills a day.
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I was getting 12 IVs a weekand taking about 300 pills a day.
Elizabeth was only 5 when wewere diagnosed, so she wasn't taking
as many.
And her infection wasn't asbad as mine.
Probably there was some filterthere because she caught it in utero.
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But we both got extremely sick.
And I went back to the doctor,and he said, your blood infection
is back.
And it freaked me out.
And he was on the phone tryingto figure out what antibiotic to
put me on.
And I was reading the researchmaterials about the blood infection
on his computer.
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And there was no testingfacility in the United States at
that time for that blood infection.
The testing facility was inFrance, and it said it had a biofilm.
And right before they did theemergency surgery to take my IV port
out, they were taking bloodout of the port, and all this white
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stuff went into the syringe.
And the doctors were like,what is this?
There was four doctors in theclinic when it happened.
Nobody knew what it was.
And I was being a smarty andsaid, you know, if that's fat, can
we take some of it out of my butt?
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I can't help myself.
Anyway, it came back from thelab that it was a fibrin fibrinogen
material.
And the research back then wasfairly new about biofilm.
And so I knew there wasbiofilm associated with Lyme disease.
And now at that point, I sawthat it was also associated with
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this blood infection.
And what we figured out wasthat the enzymes in the greens first
cleanse, that were plantenzymes, you know, fruit and vegetables,
were dissolving the biofilm,and it let the pathogen back out.
So we did a protocol ofrotating through various enzymes
at the same time.
We were on antibiotics.
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And about six weeks into that,my daughter, you know, she.
I had kept her active, buteven in gymnastics, she would.
She would get really tired andhave to rest in between each event.
You know, she would dosomething, and then she'd have to
lay down on the mat.
And she came home from school,and it was a Monday, and she said,
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mommy, it's the best Monday ofmy life.
And I said, why, honey?
And she said, because I'm not tired.
And that's when I knew that wehad it.
And it took longer for myblood infection to go away.
And actually, at that time, Ihad been appointed to a negotiating
team in Washington, and I wasnegotiating the higher education
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bill that passed in 2008,right before I almost died.
And I was still on antibioticsfor all this stuff when I went to
Washington.
And it's very, very intense.
And the bellman had to carryme to my room one day.
I was so Exhausted, I didn'thave any energy to even walk to my
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room.
But I was going there anywaybecause education was my passion.
And we got through that, andwe've been Lyme free ever since.
Like, our immune systems havegotten stronger, physically stronger.
I skied this winter, and, youknow, we got our lives back.
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And my daughter graduated fromcollege with honors, and I'm so proud
of her.
And, you know, and thecognitive challenges were the.
Probably the most difficultthing for her.
And, you know, she developedin that with the pathogens.
So that's.
That's a short version of our story.
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That's a powerful story.
When did you realize, though,during the story, that the medical
profession wasn't going to beable to help?
You had to become your own detective?
Well, you know, when theyfirst told me that I had Lyme disease,
I had heard about it, but Ireally didn't know anything about
it.
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And so I'm a researcher.
I like digging, and I go downa lot of rabbit holes, which probably
saved my life.
And every time they would tellme something, I'd go and research
it.
And so I became veryknowledgeable about the subject matter.
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And then the people with Lymedisease at our clinic, we called
it the IV room.
Like, everybody in there hadLyme disease, and we were all getting
IVs, and I had this energeticdev, and I started testing everybody
in the room and seeingpatterns, you know, that the people
who were severely ill had apattern of high amounts of heavy
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metals, high viral loads, which.
The viral loads happen whenyour immune system is down.
So your immune system down,your viruses take off.
So, you know, you get food allergies.
You have all of these symptomsthat are a result of your immune
system being weak.
And then as you build yourimmune system back up, the food allergies
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start going away.
And the viruses.
Well, I found a fabulousproduct for the viruses that was
a God moment for sure.
My doctor sent me to go pickup some medications, and when I got
to the distributor, this wassitting on the counter, and I was
like, what is that?
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And she said, oh, my gosh, youneed to know about this product.
Like, it was a fluke, becauseI. I think that's the only time I
ever went to pick up medicinefor him.
So.
And I happened to find thisproduct, and it's.
It's the product that.
It's called Humicel.
And it.
It encapsulates the virus, soit can't attach to a host cell, so
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it doesn't replicate.
So it works on everything.
Epstein Barr Cytomegalovirus,HHV6, herpes, shingles, Covid.
And just getting rid of theviruses builds your immune system
up because they're so taxingon the body.
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But that's where I started.
And My daughter was 5 and Ididn't want to leave her and I didn't
want her to be sick.
So I was highly motivated tofind answers.
I didn't want her to suffer.
It's the word I. I was upsetwhen I knew I had it.
But when he said, you're.
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How about your daughter?
You can get this in utero.
And my heart sunk it.
You know, it's hard todescribe how desperate you feel when
you know your child is ill. Wow.
So part one of your book, wejust kind of gave that story.
Part two of your book.
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You deal with the researchthat you went through, the protocols
that work for you.
What are some of the mostsurprising or empowering discoveries
you've made during that partof your search?
Well, one of the things, well,the heavy metals is a big deal.
That wasn't really surprisingto me because I grew up in a mining
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town.
Where did you get all these?
You know, I used to be the kidthat was in the sand dunes playing
with the little balls of mercury.
You know, they were like thisbig and you, you could move them
and they jiggle and.
Yeah, I was playing with those.
And then I would play with thelead, like get a magnet and.
And we'd have contests to seewho could get the highest strings
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of lead.
I mean, we were.
That was like our playground.
So that wasn't a shocker.
But one of the things that Ifigured out in about 2007 was that
people were resonating for tuberculosis.
It was like a mutation of tuberculosis.
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And tuberculosis is a mycotoxin.
And at the time I thought itwas coming into people from the vaccines.
I mean, that was really theonly insight that I had at the time.
And so I agreed to do aprotocol, six week protocol of streptomycin,
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which is injection.
My daughter, we used oral.
That's not as effective.
But I didn't want her to havethe side effects of the injection,
which could, could be hearing loss.
And I thought she was tooyoung to take a risk like that.
And the die off was so greatthat I smelled like a rotting animal.
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It was horrible.
And I was still dancing at thetime and my dance partner was my
doctor and we were doing aLatin cha cha routine.
And every time I raised myarm, I'd be like, I am so sorry.
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It just smelled terribly andthen the die off was tremendous.
And so we thought at the timethat the Lyme was feeding off of
the mycotoxin because all ofthe infection rates started coming
down.
And In December of 2019, theCDC finally released a report saying
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that humans could contracttuberculosis from deer.
Wow.
And so, you know, 12 yearslater, it became public that it was
actually a co infection of theLyme and that's how it came into
the body.
But most people had that pieceof it.
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And the mycotoxins.
I see those on every singlescan that I do when I, when I take
people on, I do a full body scan.
It's.
It's $495 to do the scan.
And if you got traditionalmedical tests for all of that, it
would be tens of thousands ofdollars to get the same amount of
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information that I get a scan.
It doesn't spit out the answers.
You have to look for thepatterns, and then everybody's a
little bit different.
So Lyme has 46 differentmutations of DNA.
It mutates into 14 differentlife forms.
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There's a ton of co infections.
And then you have to take intoconsideration the person's past and
what they've had, because,like, when you start dissolving biofilm,
it'll let anything out,anything they've ever had.
So when I start working withsomebody, I have to do extensive
research because, say, ifsomebody had like a septic infection
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in the past and they've gotLyme disease and I know we're going
to start dissolving thebiofilm, we have to get antibiotics
for all of it, because if itcomes out, you have to address it.
And sometimes they'repathogens that could kill somebody.
Like, you have to take it very seriously.
And I have to work with thedoctors because the enzymes also
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thin the blood.
Like, whenever you takeenzymes, if you're also on blood
thinners, you have to be very,very careful because your blood will
get too thin.
So I just, I just keepresearching, I keep finding new things
and different answers.
There's a new, it's not a newproduct line, but it's new products
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for a company that I've beenusing for a long time.
And it's a detox program usinghemp and cbd and it actually pulls
the toxins not just fromaround the cells, but from the interior
of the cells.
And those products aresupposed to be available on the 15th.
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And I've got a group of peoplealready where we're gonna do a baseline
scan and then A scan aftereach of the cleanses.
I'm so excited about itbecause the faster I can get somebody
well, the better.
They have to be as dedicatedto it as I am.
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And.
And some people can go fasterthan others.
I'm a get it over with girls,so I just want to blast through things.
That's just my personality.
It's like, okay, let's get it over.
Give me everything.
And, you know, and some peoplecan't handle that.
I mean, I've worked withpeople that have had lyme disease
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for 30, 40, 50 years.
And, you know, so they've been.
They've been sick for a long time.
And, you know, that's wherethe mindset becomes part of the protocol
is because you have to pull.
Sometimes pull people out frombeing more addicted to the.
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Are more committed to theillness than they are to their healing.
So if somebody were to reachout to you and ask for help, what
would you start with them?
Just kind of give them a senseof what they would be experiencing.
Well, there's really threestages of healing with the.
We call it the Lyme crusher isour protocol.
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And I've packaged a programthat includes three to four months
of products.
It includes superfoods, itincludes cleanses, it includes regular
scans.
I'm very active with my clients.
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We're usually texting all thetime, and at the end of it, we're
usually really good friends.
And, you know, I don't want apatient for life.
I want a friend for life.
I want to see people outliving their lives again.
I have no connection to, like this.
This will just make them sick forever.
So I can keep treating them.
I don't want to do that.
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I'm not interested in that.
So the three stages are theprepare stage, which is a lot of
cleansing and building up thebody strength, because if your detox
pathways are clogged, thenyou're never going to make it through
the killing stage without awhole lot of discomfort and putting
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your health in real danger, truthfully.
So Lyme releases neurotoxinsand does all these things to you.
So we want to get all of thatout of the body.
And it's usually very clogged up.
When I take somebody on, like,their liver's clogged, their kidneys
are clogged, their lymphaticsystem is clogged.
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A lot of them have skin issues.
Those are the four mainpathways for getting rid of toxins.
So we have to open up thosepathways and clean them out.
Then we bring down, like, theViral load and all of, I call them
opportunistic infections.
It's everything that thathappens when your body becomes weak.
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The scan results that we getshow what foods they're allergic
to.
And the more compromised yourimmune system is, the more foods
you'll be allergic to.
So I ask them, I can't forceanybody to do anything, but I ask
them to stay away from thosefoods for the time building, for
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the time being.
Because every little bit ofstress that your body has on it is
energy that you're taking awayfrom healing the main pathogen that's
causing all this weakness.
So the first part we call prepare.
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And so that's detoxing andbuilding up the body strength.
And then when we get to acertain aspect of it, that which,
and that includes heavymetals, parasites, you know, the
organs cleaning, like it'svery comprehensive.
Then when we get past thatstage, I have to work with a physician
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and that's when we startintroducing the products that break
down the biofilm and themedications used for killing the
Lyme.
And Lyme is a spirochete, soit, it looks like a corkscrew, so
it can actually like piercecell membranes.
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And it's the same pathogenfamily syphilis.
So people think that this isnot transmissible from human to human.
And that is absolutely false.
My daughter got it in utero.
It's just now coming out thatthat happens.
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You know, I've not.
She's 24 now, so I've knownthat since we were diagnosed.
It can be passed sexually.
And so when you have a family,you really have to treat the family,
especially the couple, but thechildren can, because otherwise you
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just pass it back and forthlike you're not going to heal.
If you can't get your spouse,you either have to practice safe
sex or they need to be treated too.
And sometimes that's a shockbecause they're not always on board
with that.
So at that point we addressall of that.
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And then I do the scan everytwo weeks so that I can see, you
know, this form is activeright now.
So let's switch from A to B oryou know, whatever is going on with
the person.
This is the part where it'sthe most different for people when
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we're actually killing the pathogens.
And one of the co infectionsis called Babesia, which is similar
to malaria and that is usuallythe last to go.
That seems to be the mostdifficult to get rid of.
And it's the same protocol aspeople use to get rid of malaria.
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And if you've ever looked intothat or gone to Africa or anything.
There's, there's a mildermalaria and there's a more aggressive
malaria and it's a lot oftimes we have to use the same protocol
as the more aggressive malariato actually get rid of that one.
So it's really tick bornediseases, not just Lyme disease.
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People just traditionally kindof wrap them all together under that
name, but it's really tickborder borne illnesses.
And you know, I've throughresearching, you know, people come
to me and they've got, it'slike, well there's a Lyme going on,
but they have other thingsgoing on.
And what I've discovered isthat every chronic illness that I've
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encountered has a biofilm.
It does similar things to thebody's immune system.
So, so that piece of it issimilar where you have to do the
detoxes and we detox theentire time because you're cleaning
up the body.
Then when you actually killthe pathogens, you have to have a
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pathway to get the neurotoxinsout which go up because they puke
out the neurotoxins when they die.
And then there's.
People don't like to hear thispart, but the dead carcasses, you
have to get those out of thebody, you know, because they're actual
physical things that arefloating around in your body at that
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point.
So we detox through that stageas well.
And then the last part of itis detoxing all of the medications
and everything that they justwent through and you have to reprogram
the immune system.
So, so the immune system atthat point is like hyper reactive.
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Like my daughter was in thesecond grade when we got rid of it.
And the first few times thatshe got a cold after we got rid of
the Lyme disease, she wouldhave 104 fever.
Like it just went.
Her little immune system waslike, oh no, we're sick again.
You know, and it's just overreacting.
And so we had to reprogram itto go, it's okay, it's just a cold.
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And then build the body backup and make sure you're getting the
right nutrients.
And then ideally I want tohave people that have good health
for the rest of their lives.
So when I'm working withsomebody, I explain everything.
You get a tremendous amountof, of information and protocols
and what they do and whythey're on them.
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Because I don't, I, I'm notjust going to give somebody something.
I go, just trust me, take ThisI want them to understand why, why
they're taking it.
And the whole reason I startedthis company originally was that
the, the cost of this istremendous because most of it's not
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covered by health insurance.
And so I wanted to be able tooffer products and services at a
discount because when I wasgoing through this, you know, I had
both my daughter and me, and,and so a lot of the equipment and
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the products I would buymyself because when you, you know,
you're having to pay for allthis stuff for two people, after
a while it's like, well, itmakes more sense for me to have ozone
machine.
It makes more sense for me tohave my own, you know, red light
machine.
So I have all this equipmentthat supports the healing and building
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the body up.
And so that's the last stageof it is really building the body
back up, the immune systemback up, getting everything to work
right again.
You know, like they told methey didn't know if my organs would
ever work right again.
And a lot of that was from theblood infection.
But that also happens withwhen you have Lyme disease for a
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long time.
And today I'm on about a thirdof the thyroid medicine that I was
on for years, and that'sreally the only thing I take.
Wow, where can people connectwith you and find out more about
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what you do?
Well, we have a website, it'schampion4life.com and, you know,
and it's really about healthand wellness, you know, physically
and emotionally.
You know, the emotionalcomponent of it is.
It's key.
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And, you know, I talked aboutmindset earlier.
So when you break the wordLyme in two, it's lie and me.
And so I ask people to thinkabout what lie are you telling yourself?
What lie am I telling methat's keeping me from getting well?
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And for people who've had Lymefor a long time, their support system
usually ends up being otherpeople that have Lyme disease because
their friends and familycompletely don't understand it.
I can't tell you how manytimes you hear, well, you look fine
and you're dying inside.
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And you know, people getimpatient with you.
They don't understand why youcan't remember things or do things
that used to be easy.
They just don't understand it.
I have one patient whosehusband was like, yeah, I just don't
believe this.
And.
And she had had it since shewas 13 years old.
Like, he didn't know her well,like in a well state, and he really
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didn't believe her until sheStarted getting well.
And then he.
And then he was like, oh,maybe there is something to this.
And, you know, so now all of asudden, he's going, oh, I guess you
did have something, because he didn't.
He had never experienced her well.
And, you know, she was.
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She.
This summer, she was up hikingin Zion national park and doing all
the, you know, with a backpack on.
And, you know, I just lovethat I tell people, you can either
use your adversities in lifeas an excuse for your behavior, a
reason for making a change.
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And so that was my mindsetgoing into this training.
And the training I went to wasTony Robbins date with Destiny.
And I had been there before.
And so it wasn't my firsttaking time, taking the class, but
he went into a meditation andhe says, go back to your first memory.
And like, oh, my gosh, I'vebeen working on my parent thing for
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years.
I'm just going to be open.
And so I just opened up andGod came in and he showed me how
much it hurt him to allow meto be hurt.
Like I've been hurt during mylife so that I could fulfill my purpose
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for being here.
But having him show me that.
That, you know, that God hadto make choices to allow me to be
beaten as a child and rapedand to go through the whole Lyme
trauma and almost die.
And it was all for a purpose.
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So with the abuse from mychildhood, I built numerous businesses
in the education industry.
And through my companies, I'veworked with over 3 million students,
and I've affected nearly fourdecades of college students through
lawmaking and regulatory making.
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And then, because I wentthrough the Lyme disease and the
blood infection and I almostdied, I have answers.
I have a way to make people well.
And, you know, it might notget everybody well, but it'll get
you significantly healthier.
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And if.
If we can get everybody well,that's my goal.
But.
But just knowing that therewas purpose behind all of that pain
and that God shared in thegrief and the.
And the pain of it with me.
Well, Mary, that's powerful.
Thank you.
And that's a great way for usto wrap this up.
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Thank you for what you do andthe impact that you're having on
people's lives, becauseblessings on what you're doing.
Thank you very much.
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