October 16, 2025 • 25 mins
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SPEAKER_03 (00:00):
My physical therapist uh uh decided that
since I like to play disc golf,he could include like some
exercises and stuff that wouldtie into that.
And he gave me the green lightto like start playing, not
serious, but to just slowlystart to ease into it um after
like four weeks.
SPEAKER_02 (00:19):
Four weeks to start playing disc golf?
SPEAKER_00 (00:22):
Welcome to Bed Back and Beyond, sharing positive
stories of recovery from seriousback or neck injury.
Your host is CK, a fellowchampion who draws on her own
experience with perniated discsurgery.
Join her as she talks withothers who have overcome the
physical and emotional trauma ofa painful injury.
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And discover for yourself howyou can find hope and
encouragement in recovery.
SPEAKER_02 (00:51):
Hi, Nyx.
Thank you so much for joining meon this episode of Bed Back and
Beyond.
Before we dive into your injurystory, how about you tell us a
little bit about yourself?
SPEAKER_03 (01:01):
So I'm 44 years old.
I've had surgery about two yearsago.
I had microdysquectomy and alaminectomy at L5S1.
So I'm not really sure what Idid.
It had been an ongoing problemfor I mean, I can remember my
first back spasm in my early20s.
Uh and at the time, you know, Iwas like back in the gym in a
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day, you know?
SPEAKER_01 (01:28):
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_03 (01:29):
Back.
And uh, and then towards my late20s, I started coming more and
more frequently, uh, about likeonce a month, late 20s, early
30s.
And um yeah, and it just kind ofit was just sort of like a fact
of life for me for such a longtime.
And I just thought, no way, I'mnever getting surgery, I'll be
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fine, I'll be fine.
And then in 2023, I'm not sureexactly what I did to cause it.
Uh I did something to injure itand make it worse.
And uh I couldn't, uh the onlything I could do was lay flat on
my back for like what I had to Ihad to wait nine weeks to get
into surgery, and it was it wasmiserable.
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I could, I mean, I was probablygetting like maybe a thousand
steps a day, and I'm a reallyactive person.
SPEAKER_02 (02:20):
So when you were younger and you were having the
back spasms, was it just yourback or was it also down your
legs?
SPEAKER_03 (02:28):
Uh yeah, I mean the the sciatica would accompany the
back spasms pretty much everytime.
SPEAKER_02 (02:35):
Oh, okay.
So even that far back.
SPEAKER_03 (02:37):
Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't as pronounced as it was,
you know, later on.
Um I'm I'm sure it was justprogressively getting worse.
I used to be really intoweightlifting and like
bodybuilding and stuff likethat.
Um, when I was younger, probablyaround 19, I got really into
working out.
And then I mean, I kept doingthat until really until the
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surgery.
I was I would still go to thegym when I could and lift
weights, but uh, had gotten tothe point where I couldn't
really squat with anything on myback or like really do a lot of
leg exercises.
And I I don't know whatinitially caused it.
I have an idea.
I think it happened when I was15 in a skateboarding accident.
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I remember falling on mytailbone really hard, doing a I
was doing a rail slide, and mymy back came down like really
hard on a concrete block, and Ihad a big bruise on my lower
back for for a c a couple weeks,and I was walking kind of funny,
like kind of like how you walkwhen you have a backspasm, you
know, where your tailbone issucked in, and so I think that
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might have been the initialinjury, but I didn't really have
any, like you know, when you'rea teenager, you just kind of
like snap right back and you'refine in a couple days.
Um but I'm not I'm not reallysure what caused it initially.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (03:55):
At what point did you get an MRI to find out you
actually had a herniated disc?
SPEAKER_03 (04:00):
Uh well in 2015, no, 2016, I got into a car accident.
I definitely, you know, I hadback spasm before that, but I
hadn't had one for a while.
And then I got into the carwreck, and then the very next
day I had a really badbackspasm.
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I had to call into work for likea week or whatever.
Guy who hit me, it was hisfault.
Ended up being a lawsuit.
Um, I had a friend and hislittle baby was in the backseat
uh when it happened.
Um, luckily, they they weren'thurt too bad or anything because
of the lawsuit.
I had to go and get an MRI, Ihad to get an epidural, and it
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was like a big thing.
Well, I got the MRI done then in2016, and they said, Yeah,
you've got a herniated disc, youknow, you're surgical.
And at the time, I was justlike, No way, I'm not getting
surgery.
SPEAKER_02 (04:59):
What made you feel that way about surgery?
SPEAKER_03 (05:01):
Um, I guess I didn't know anyone who had gotten the
surgery, and uh just justscared, I guess.
I I mean terrified of the of thethought of going under the
knife, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (05:16):
Yeah, I remember when I was considering surgery
for myself, so many peoplewanted to come up to me and say,
Don't do it, you'll regret it.
Like, oh god, leave me alone.
SPEAKER_03 (05:25):
Yeah, um, I don't regret it.
Yeah, no, I don't regret it atall.
I honestly wish I would havegotten it done sooner.
SPEAKER_02 (05:32):
A lot of people say that.
SPEAKER_03 (05:34):
Uh, because the recovery time, I mean, I took I
took extra time off.
They only wanted to give me sixweeks off of work.
I'm an aircraft mechanic, andum, and I told them that I
wanted more time off and had toargue with them a little bit,
but I started PT about threeweeks after surgery.
SPEAKER_02 (05:54):
Oh, that's early.
SPEAKER_03 (05:56):
Yeah, I mean, I was like day one, I was walking.
I remember I walked down to mystop sign and back uh uh in my
neighborhood day one aftersurgery.
I was I I've always been reallyactive.
I'm not scared to like get inthere and do it.
I just wanted to get started.
And I knew that if they if theyhad a six-week timeline, um the
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doctor, then I knew that I hadto start as soon as I could.
And I talked to the I talked tothe um physical therapist that I
was referred to um by a previousphysical therapist that I had
seen that she kind of got out oftaking insurance.
Uh, she referred me to someonethat did, and I talked to him on
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the phone and he said, you know,you can come in tomorrow if you
want.
So I decided to I just wanted toget started.
And physical therapy went wentreally good.
Uh he actually, my physicaltherapist, uh uh decided that
since I like to play disc golf,he could include like some
exercises and stuff that wouldtie into that.
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And he gave me the green lightto like start playing, not
serious, but to just slowlystart to ease into it um after
like four weeks.
SPEAKER_02 (07:08):
Four weeks to start playing disc golf?
SPEAKER_03 (07:11):
Yeah, like I wasn't um it was more just going out
and hiking with my friends whilethey played and with a pack with
a pack on, and I wasn't able todo a lot of backhand throwing,
uh, but I could do like justforehand, which is more like a
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baseball throw.
SPEAKER_02 (07:33):
Yeah.
Um do you mind just explainingwhat disc golf is for anyone who
might not know?
SPEAKER_03 (07:38):
Yeah.
Um so disc golf is similar toball golf.
Um, so you there's uh there's apar on every hole, so you try to
get under par on every hole.
Um par par is usually in uhmaybe I should I don't know.
I I assume everyone knows whatpar means, but yeah number of
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shots you're supposed to get itin.
Right.
Um uh and instead of using uhclubs to drive the ball, you use
um there's discs that aresimilar to frisbees, but they're
it's kind of a misconceptioncalling it frisbee golf.
SPEAKER_02 (08:21):
Like oh yeah, I was assuming it was a frisbee.
It's not a frisbee.
SPEAKER_03 (08:24):
Well, it's made of plastic and it's shaped similar
to a frisbee.
They come in different weights,and there are essentially four
different types of discs.
There's a putter, which putterscan be shaped, they're the most
similar to a frisbee in shape.
A putter is, and then there's amid-range, which uh usually
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flies a little further than aputter, and then there's a
fairway driver, which uh uhwhich has a sharper more uh
angle on the rim.
The putter is the closest thingto uh frisbee, it has kind of a
um like a flat rim around it,and then um there are uh
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mid-range, uh which is kind oflike a modified putter that
flies further, and then there'sa fairway driver, which has kind
of a sharper rim on it, and thena distance driver, which has a
really sharp, steep angle on it,and a um like a sharp rim.
And like if you were to catch adistance driver like a frisbee,
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it would really hurt your hand,it would probably bruise it if
someone threw at full speed andyou caught it.
Uh so and instead of throwingtowards a hole like you would
with a ball in golf, uh, youthrow at a metal basket uh that
has chains around it or on itthat hang from it, um, and you
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try to get the disc into thebasket.
SPEAKER_02 (09:53):
So is it essentially that same twist and throw like
frisbee?
SPEAKER_03 (09:59):
Uh it's a lit it's a little different than uh so I
played Ultimate Frisbee when Iwas younger and I thought I was
okay at it, but um I when Ifirst started playing disc golf,
it was like embarrassing how uhI I couldn't throw it at all.
So if you watch the pros, theykind of make it look really
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easy, but it's not easy at all.
It's sort of um so if you'reright-handed, you throw with
your right hand, which would bekind of the opposite of like if
you're golfing or throw swinginga baseball bat, you would lead
with your left hand.
When you throw a frisbee, youlead with your right hand.
But it's the same motion,everything it's all in your hips
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and your legs and your lowerbody, and your arm is just or
your hand is just holding thedisc, and your arm is like
releasing the disc, but your armisn't really you're not using
your arm to throw the disc, ifthat makes sense.
SPEAKER_02 (10:52):
Yeah, so far, so how long after surgery before you
started doing the full movementagain?
SPEAKER_03 (10:58):
Oh, maybe four months, five months.
SPEAKER_02 (11:00):
Holy cow, yeah.
Did was it what did you have amental block at all, or were you
like were you still a littlebit, a little bit at first?
SPEAKER_03 (11:08):
Um, and about seven weeks post op, I actually did
have a pretty bad flare-up, andI thought that I re-herniated,
and I was I was like reallyupset, and it wasn't uh from
playing disc golf.
Uh, I honestly have no idea whatI did, and I it it was awful.
(11:29):
And then we tried all differentexercises, nothing was helping.
Um, and we decided to try uh dryneedling, and after two sessions
of dry needling, it was likesomeone flipped a switch and I
was back to back to normal.
Yeah, and uh my my recoveryprogressed from there, and it
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was I was back to work in Ithink I took altogether because
I had to wait nine weeks to getinto surgery, it was about five
and a half months off of work,so the recovery was about just
under three and a half months.
Um okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:07):
I hear it all the time.
SPEAKER_03 (12:10):
I really wanted to take my time because I I have a
fairly physical job at timesbecause I'm an aircraft
mechanic, so um, I can be insome pretty weird positions
sometimes for a long time andright have to lift heavy stuff
now and again.
SPEAKER_02 (12:25):
I hear it all the time.
People have major flares at likethe two-week mark.
But then I don't know if you'venoticed on the Reddit group, I'm
seven to eight weeks aftersurgery and I feel terrible.
I I have no idea what it is.
Eight weeks after people arestill still getting these random
flares.
SPEAKER_03 (12:41):
Yeah, I you know what?
Knock on wood, uh I haven't hada backspasm since then.
SPEAKER_02 (12:47):
Okay.
And remind me when was yoursurgery?
SPEAKER_03 (12:50):
It was August of 2023.
Okay.
So it's been over two years.
SPEAKER_02 (12:55):
Two years, yeah.
Any any other sports besidesdisc golf, or is that your main,
usually just that.
SPEAKER_03 (13:02):
Uh depends on if I'm working overtime that week or
not, but usually I I try to playat least three days a week.
SPEAKER_02 (13:09):
Okay.
Wow.
SPEAKER_03 (13:11):
Yeah, uh, you know, I carry a backpack.
Um full it usually I have about20 discs in the backpack.
SPEAKER_01 (13:18):
And how much does that weigh?
SPEAKER_03 (13:20):
Uh well, it usually has like a 32-ounce water bottle
full of water in it, and thensome other accessories and
stuff, and I don't know, maybe10 pounds.
They're it's fairly light.
Uh well, it probably takes itprobably weighs a little more
than 10 pounds, but maybe maybe15.
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Um it's not super light, it'skind of big too.
You know, it has to be kind ofclunky to hold hold the discs.
SPEAKER_02 (13:47):
So if somebody came to you and said, I don't want to
get surgery because I'll neverget back to doing the things I
love.
SPEAKER_03 (13:53):
Yeah, I would definitely say uh surgery is the
way to go.
Um I'm actually um I am I Iactually have a herniated disc
at C7 in my neck, and I've beendealing with that for years, and
it's just recently gotten to thepoint where I am uh I'm gonna
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get a disc replacement.
SPEAKER_02 (14:16):
Okay.
Oh, all right.
SPEAKER_03 (14:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (14:18):
So can I have you back on once you get to this?
SPEAKER_03 (14:21):
Sure.
Yeah, uh, yeah, no, I I'm happyI'd be happy to.
Uh I I've a friend at work hadtwo disc replacements in his
neck at the same time, samesurgery.
SPEAKER_01 (14:31):
Wow.
SPEAKER_03 (14:31):
And his recovery went really well.
SPEAKER_02 (14:34):
Okay, send him my way.
SPEAKER_03 (14:36):
Uh I will, I will.
I'll uh let him know.
SPEAKER_02 (14:39):
Is that do you think that's from the the mechanical
work that you do?
SPEAKER_03 (14:43):
I think that's part of it.
I think uh I think it's beenthat's another one that just uh
looking back, uh I realized thatum I have I've had problems with
it in the past and I just didn'trealize that's what it was from.
Um and it's um it's been like anongoing thing, and I I just I
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had uh I actually had a neckspasm uh a couple months ago and
it was like the first timethat's ever happened.
Um that's a terrible feeling.
Uh it's not quite as bad as thelower back, but it's it's pretty
bad.
SPEAKER_01 (15:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (15:25):
Um, I was actually at the end uh last four holes of
a tournament, a disc golftournament, and I don't even
know what I did.
I I went to reach over and pickup my backpack and sling it over
my back, and I was like, oh mygod, what was that?
You know, yeah.
But uh I feel better than I didwhen it first happened.
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Um, and I'm I'm getting anepidural later this week.
So hopefully that helps.
SPEAKER_02 (15:50):
Okay, did you have one of those for your back?
SPEAKER_03 (15:53):
I had yes, I did.
I had one for my back back in2016, and I felt like it made it
worse actually.
SPEAKER_02 (16:01):
I I've heard that for some for some people, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (16:04):
Yeah, I had one in my neck back in like June, and
it seemed to help.
It took like a week to reallystart to kick in, but I really
felt like it was helping forabout six weeks, and then it was
just like nothing.
SPEAKER_02 (16:20):
Yeah, I had one for my lower back, and it only
worked for about two weeks.
SPEAKER_03 (16:25):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (16:25):
And that was like I need surgery.
SPEAKER_03 (16:27):
The uh the waiting for surgery, that was the worst,
the worst time of my life, Ithink.
For nine weeks.
SPEAKER_02 (16:33):
Can you uh do you mind sharing where do you live?
Where are you from or what area?
SPEAKER_03 (16:37):
Um I uh I'm not from here, but I live outside of
Louisville, Kentucky.
Uh okay.
The the native Louisvilleanswould it's they it's pronounced
Louisville.
unknown (16:49):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (16:50):
Uh but I'm I actually grew up right outside
of Cincinnati.
In Kentucky, but right outsideof Cincinnati is where I grew
up.
Um I just moved here for work.
So okay.
SPEAKER_02 (17:00):
And why did it take so long to get surgery?
Nine-week wait, you said?
SPEAKER_03 (17:04):
I don't know.
I uh so there's all there areonly like two hospitals near me
that that I knew of at the timethat were um like the two big
hospitals.
One of them is NortonHealthcare, and they have an
it's called Norton LeathermanSpine Institute.
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And and that's where I ended upgoing.
I called another hospital thatwe have in the area named it was
like Baptist Health, and just totalk to a doctor, just to have
an appointment with them wasthree months.
SPEAKER_02 (17:39):
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_03 (17:40):
Uh so I was able to get in in a few weeks.
I was able to talk to a doctorat Norton, and I really liked
him, and I think he did a goodjob.
I mean, I'm happy with theremote.
SPEAKER_01 (17:52):
Sounds like it.
SPEAKER_03 (17:53):
Yeah, and um, and I talked to him, but he had a big
wait list.
I mean, and he was he was the Imean, I I got in to see him
earlier than I could see anyoneelse in that um in that hospital
system.
SPEAKER_02 (18:08):
Um was he neuro or orthopedic?
SPEAKER_03 (18:12):
Uh he was uh neuro, sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (18:16):
Okay, that's okay.
SPEAKER_03 (18:18):
Yeah, he he was a uh neurosurgeon, I believe.
SPEAKER_01 (18:22):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (18:22):
Uh yeah, his name is Dr.
Charles Crawford.
I don't know if uh you'reallowed to say that or not.
He did a he did a good job.
So yeah, but I'm actually I'mgoing to a different doctor for
my neck.
So I'm just referral from acoworker, so and he doesn't do
that anyway.
SPEAKER_02 (18:42):
So yeah.
When I picked my surgeon, I wentwith Who Can See Me Fastest.
SPEAKER_03 (18:46):
I didn't know I was absolutely miserable.
I I will I talked to the otherhospital and they said it would
be three months, and I was like,forget about it.
And yeah.
Um, but yeah, I couldn't work.
I uh it was it was absolutelythe worst.
I'm I mean, I couldn't situpright for nine weeks.
Um ride home from surgery wasthe first time in over two
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months that I was able to situpright in a in a chair.
Um, you know, granted, I was ona lot of like drugs or whatever
that they gave me after thesurgery, but um just being able
to sit upright was amazing, youknow.
Yeah, I I mean I would if we hadto go somewhere, I would
literally have to lean my chairflat.
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Like I would get into thepassenger side with my wife, and
if I had to drive somewhere, itwas just excruciating the whole
time.
I was just yeah in so much pain.
I mean, there was nothing Icould do, like no position I
could sit in that would make itgo away.
SPEAKER_02 (19:43):
Yeah, it's it's absolutely the worst experience.
SPEAKER_03 (19:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (19:47):
Um, when you returned to work, uh so you were
out of work for five months, isthat what you said?
SPEAKER_03 (19:53):
About five and a half, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (19:55):
Five and a half.
Were you able to dive right backback in, or did you have to
modify how you worked on theengines for a little while?
SPEAKER_03 (20:01):
Um so they don't they don't allow us to have any
sort of um like light duty.
You have to be you have to beready to go, you have to be able
to lift uh one of the uhprerequisites is being able to
lift at least 60 pounds aboveyour waist.
So that was part of my PT umprogram.
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He he had set up like thesewooden boxes and he would slowly
add weight like every week, likea couple pounds every week, and
I would have to lift it up offthe ground and put it on a
shelf.
Like, you know, at first it waswaist height and then it was
kind of chest tight, and then itwas like above and and till I
could get it like above myshoulders on a shelf.
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Um so I thought that was reallygood, real, really good, like
tailored um program.
SPEAKER_02 (20:56):
Program, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (20:57):
Yeah, and he had me do a lot of other things too,
but that that one was definitelyuh really helpful.
That exercise, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (21:05):
I think you're gonna surprise a lot of people back to
disc off and lifting over 50pounds.
SPEAKER_03 (21:11):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (21:12):
Short after surgery.
SPEAKER_03 (21:14):
We have to uh so we work on everything on the
airplane, anything that breaks,we have to fix.
Um doesn't matter what it is,and then we actually like when
the planes land and they comethey taxi into the gates.
Um when they when they pull intothe gate, we have to we have to
plug the airplane in so thatthey can turn the the engines
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off and turn off the uh APU, theauxiliary power unit.
Um and there's a there's areceptacle on the side of the
airplane, it's it's by the nosegear, and we have to plug this
big giant heavy cord.
We drag it over from the thepower station, and then we have
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to plug it into the theaircraft, and they weigh they
probably weigh, I mean, thewhole cord weighs a a lot, but
just the part that we're likeup, it's really heavy, and we
have to get it up above likeabove our heads.
SPEAKER_02 (22:13):
Um I feel like I've seen that on space balls.
Oh yeah, yeah, a giant plug thatpeople are trying to plug in.
SPEAKER_03 (22:21):
Yeah, uh it's really hard to plug in.
I mean, it's hard on hard onyour neck and your shoulders,
and it's so that was uh that'sprobably the one thing that like
the one repetitive thing that wedo at work that I was definitely
like not looking forward togoing back to doing, but it's
been fine.
Um yeah, other than the you knowthe problem with my neck, which
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is not related to right, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:46):
So do you do any kind of um exercises now to just
maintain a healthy spine?
SPEAKER_03 (22:52):
Yeah, um, so there's there are a number of um
exercises that my physicaltherapist gave me, and then
there I I just kind of I'm youknow, I'm not a qualified uh uh
exercise scientist or anything,but um I found some exercises
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online and like kind of talkedto my physical therapist about
it.
Like, do you think this would begood?
Or you know, what about thisexercise?
And he might say, Well, do thisinstead.
Um, and I've got a whole list ofit's essentially like a yoga
calisthenics kind of routinethat I go through, like like a
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yoga sequence with somecalisthenics mixed in there.
And uh, I try to do that atleast three to five days a week,
and um definitely on days whenI'm I know I'm gonna play disc
golf, I've noticed that I play alot better if I do that before I
go.
Yeah, um, it it just reallylimbers me up and like gets me
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moving a lot better.
Um, and it's I I mean it's Iwish that I would have been
doing these exercises beforeinstead of just like trying to
go go to the gym and boost myego and uh you know set personal
records for uh you know, you doa lot of things when you're
younger that you regret.
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Uh but I definitely don't know.
I I think I might get back intoto going to the gym, it just
won't be like it used to be, youknow.
Yeah, I used to wait lessfunction, yeah.
Yeah, more function over uh formform, I guess, so to speak.
You know, like I don't I don'tcare so much about the uh
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aesthetics and the pleasing myego as much as I care about like
just being able to function as aas a as a human being,
especially the older I get, likejust being able to do the things
that I want to do, and you knowthat's awesome.
SPEAKER_02 (24:57):
Nick, I really appreciate you taking the time
out to talk to me and share yourstory.
I know there's gonna be peoplewho really appreciate listening
to you about uh getting backinto sports, especially.
SPEAKER_03 (25:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (25:08):
Yeah, I see a lot of people like tennis, and I want
to play tennis and golf, butthey're scared to.
And you jump right back in.
SPEAKER_03 (25:16):
Yeah, I mean, you know what?
I've got another friend at work.
I'll I'll see if he wants to umto do the the chat with you.
He he got a disc replacement atL5S1.
SPEAKER_02 (25:26):
Oh, I would love to.
I haven't had a disc replacementperson on here yet.
SPEAKER_03 (25:30):
Okay.
Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (25:32):
All right.
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I would love to include yourvoice on the show.
Once again, it was a realpleasure meeting you.
SPEAKER_03 (25:47):
Thank you.
My physical therapist uh uh decided that
since I like to play disc golf,he could include like some
exercises and stuff that wouldtie into that.
And he gave me the green lightto like start playing, not
serious, but to just slowlystart to ease into it um after
like four weeks.
SPEAKER_02 (00:19):
Four weeks to start playing disc golf?
SPEAKER_00 (00:22):
Welcome to Bed Back and Beyond, sharing positive
stories of recovery from seriousback or neck injury.
Your host is CK, a fellowchampion who draws on her own
experience with perniated discsurgery.
Join her as she talks withothers who have overcome the
physical and emotional trauma ofa painful injury.
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And discover for yourself howyou can find hope and
encouragement in recovery.
SPEAKER_02 (00:51):
Hi, Nyx.
Thank you so much for joining meon this episode of Bed Back and
Beyond.
Before we dive into your injurystory, how about you tell us a
little bit about yourself?
SPEAKER_03 (01:01):
So I'm 44 years old.
I've had surgery about two yearsago.
I had microdysquectomy and alaminectomy at L5S1.
So I'm not really sure what Idid.
It had been an ongoing problemfor I mean, I can remember my
first back spasm in my early20s.
Uh and at the time, you know, Iwas like back in the gym in a
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day, you know?
SPEAKER_01 (01:28):
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_03 (01:29):
Back.
And uh, and then towards my late20s, I started coming more and
more frequently, uh, about likeonce a month, late 20s, early
30s.
And um yeah, and it just kind ofit was just sort of like a fact
of life for me for such a longtime.
And I just thought, no way, I'mnever getting surgery, I'll be
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fine, I'll be fine.
And then in 2023, I'm not sureexactly what I did to cause it.
Uh I did something to injure itand make it worse.
And uh I couldn't, uh the onlything I could do was lay flat on
my back for like what I had to Ihad to wait nine weeks to get
into surgery, and it was it wasmiserable.
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I could, I mean, I was probablygetting like maybe a thousand
steps a day, and I'm a reallyactive person.
SPEAKER_02 (02:20):
So when you were younger and you were having the
back spasms, was it just yourback or was it also down your
legs?
SPEAKER_03 (02:28):
Uh yeah, I mean the the sciatica would accompany the
back spasms pretty much everytime.
SPEAKER_02 (02:35):
Oh, okay.
So even that far back.
SPEAKER_03 (02:37):
Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't as pronounced as it was,
you know, later on.
Um I'm I'm sure it was justprogressively getting worse.
I used to be really intoweightlifting and like
bodybuilding and stuff likethat.
Um, when I was younger, probablyaround 19, I got really into
working out.
And then I mean, I kept doingthat until really until the
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surgery.
I was I would still go to thegym when I could and lift
weights, but uh, had gotten tothe point where I couldn't
really squat with anything on myback or like really do a lot of
leg exercises.
And I I don't know whatinitially caused it.
I have an idea.
I think it happened when I was15 in a skateboarding accident.
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I remember falling on mytailbone really hard, doing a I
was doing a rail slide, and mymy back came down like really
hard on a concrete block, and Ihad a big bruise on my lower
back for for a c a couple weeks,and I was walking kind of funny,
like kind of like how you walkwhen you have a backspasm, you
know, where your tailbone issucked in, and so I think that
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might have been the initialinjury, but I didn't really have
any, like you know, when you'rea teenager, you just kind of
like snap right back and you'refine in a couple days.
Um but I'm not I'm not reallysure what caused it initially.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (03:55):
At what point did you get an MRI to find out you
actually had a herniated disc?
SPEAKER_03 (04:00):
Uh well in 2015, no, 2016, I got into a car accident.
I definitely, you know, I hadback spasm before that, but I
hadn't had one for a while.
And then I got into the carwreck, and then the very next
day I had a really badbackspasm.
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I had to call into work for likea week or whatever.
Guy who hit me, it was hisfault.
Ended up being a lawsuit.
Um, I had a friend and hislittle baby was in the backseat
uh when it happened.
Um, luckily, they they weren'thurt too bad or anything because
of the lawsuit.
I had to go and get an MRI, Ihad to get an epidural, and it
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was like a big thing.
Well, I got the MRI done then in2016, and they said, Yeah,
you've got a herniated disc, youknow, you're surgical.
And at the time, I was justlike, No way, I'm not getting
surgery.
SPEAKER_02 (04:59):
What made you feel that way about surgery?
SPEAKER_03 (05:01):
Um, I guess I didn't know anyone who had gotten the
surgery, and uh just justscared, I guess.
I I mean terrified of the of thethought of going under the
knife, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (05:16):
Yeah, I remember when I was considering surgery
for myself, so many peoplewanted to come up to me and say,
Don't do it, you'll regret it.
Like, oh god, leave me alone.
SPEAKER_03 (05:25):
Yeah, um, I don't regret it.
Yeah, no, I don't regret it atall.
I honestly wish I would havegotten it done sooner.
SPEAKER_02 (05:32):
A lot of people say that.
SPEAKER_03 (05:34):
Uh, because the recovery time, I mean, I took I
took extra time off.
They only wanted to give me sixweeks off of work.
I'm an aircraft mechanic, andum, and I told them that I
wanted more time off and had toargue with them a little bit,
but I started PT about threeweeks after surgery.
SPEAKER_02 (05:54):
Oh, that's early.
SPEAKER_03 (05:56):
Yeah, I mean, I was like day one, I was walking.
I remember I walked down to mystop sign and back uh uh in my
neighborhood day one aftersurgery.
I was I I've always been reallyactive.
I'm not scared to like get inthere and do it.
I just wanted to get started.
And I knew that if they if theyhad a six-week timeline, um the
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doctor, then I knew that I hadto start as soon as I could.
And I talked to the I talked tothe um physical therapist that I
was referred to um by a previousphysical therapist that I had
seen that she kind of got out oftaking insurance.
Uh, she referred me to someonethat did, and I talked to him on
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the phone and he said, you know,you can come in tomorrow if you
want.
So I decided to I just wanted toget started.
And physical therapy went wentreally good.
Uh he actually, my physicaltherapist, uh uh decided that
since I like to play disc golf,he could include like some
exercises and stuff that wouldtie into that.
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And he gave me the green lightto like start playing, not
serious, but to just slowlystart to ease into it um after
like four weeks.
SPEAKER_02 (07:08):
Four weeks to start playing disc golf?
SPEAKER_03 (07:11):
Yeah, like I wasn't um it was more just going out
and hiking with my friends whilethey played and with a pack with
a pack on, and I wasn't able todo a lot of backhand throwing,
uh, but I could do like justforehand, which is more like a
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baseball throw.
SPEAKER_02 (07:33):
Yeah.
Um do you mind just explainingwhat disc golf is for anyone who
might not know?
SPEAKER_03 (07:38):
Yeah.
Um so disc golf is similar toball golf.
Um, so you there's uh there's apar on every hole, so you try to
get under par on every hole.
Um par par is usually in uhmaybe I should I don't know.
I I assume everyone knows whatpar means, but yeah number of
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shots you're supposed to get itin.
Right.
Um uh and instead of using uhclubs to drive the ball, you use
um there's discs that aresimilar to frisbees, but they're
it's kind of a misconceptioncalling it frisbee golf.
SPEAKER_02 (08:21):
Like oh yeah, I was assuming it was a frisbee.
It's not a frisbee.
SPEAKER_03 (08:24):
Well, it's made of plastic and it's shaped similar
to a frisbee.
They come in different weights,and there are essentially four
different types of discs.
There's a putter, which putterscan be shaped, they're the most
similar to a frisbee in shape.
A putter is, and then there's amid-range, which uh usually
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flies a little further than aputter, and then there's a
fairway driver, which uh uhwhich has a sharper more uh
angle on the rim.
The putter is the closest thingto uh frisbee, it has kind of a
um like a flat rim around it,and then um there are uh
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mid-range, uh which is kind oflike a modified putter that
flies further, and then there'sa fairway driver, which has kind
of a sharper rim on it, and thena distance driver, which has a
really sharp, steep angle on it,and a um like a sharp rim.
And like if you were to catch adistance driver like a frisbee,
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it would really hurt your hand,it would probably bruise it if
someone threw at full speed andyou caught it.
Uh so and instead of throwingtowards a hole like you would
with a ball in golf, uh, youthrow at a metal basket uh that
has chains around it or on itthat hang from it, um, and you
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try to get the disc into thebasket.
SPEAKER_02 (09:53):
So is it essentially that same twist and throw like
frisbee?
SPEAKER_03 (09:59):
Uh it's a lit it's a little different than uh so I
played Ultimate Frisbee when Iwas younger and I thought I was
okay at it, but um I when Ifirst started playing disc golf,
it was like embarrassing how uhI I couldn't throw it at all.
So if you watch the pros, theykind of make it look really
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easy, but it's not easy at all.
It's sort of um so if you'reright-handed, you throw with
your right hand, which would bekind of the opposite of like if
you're golfing or throw swinginga baseball bat, you would lead
with your left hand.
When you throw a frisbee, youlead with your right hand.
But it's the same motion,everything it's all in your hips
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and your legs and your lowerbody, and your arm is just or
your hand is just holding thedisc, and your arm is like
releasing the disc, but your armisn't really you're not using
your arm to throw the disc, ifthat makes sense.
SPEAKER_02 (10:52):
Yeah, so far, so how long after surgery before you
started doing the full movementagain?
SPEAKER_03 (10:58):
Oh, maybe four months, five months.
SPEAKER_02 (11:00):
Holy cow, yeah.
Did was it what did you have amental block at all, or were you
like were you still a littlebit, a little bit at first?
SPEAKER_03 (11:08):
Um, and about seven weeks post op, I actually did
have a pretty bad flare-up, andI thought that I re-herniated,
and I was I was like reallyupset, and it wasn't uh from
playing disc golf.
Uh, I honestly have no idea whatI did, and I it it was awful.
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And then we tried all differentexercises, nothing was helping.
Um, and we decided to try uh dryneedling, and after two sessions
of dry needling, it was likesomeone flipped a switch and I
was back to back to normal.
Yeah, and uh my my recoveryprogressed from there, and it
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was I was back to work in Ithink I took altogether because
I had to wait nine weeks to getinto surgery, it was about five
and a half months off of work,so the recovery was about just
under three and a half months.
Um okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:07):
I hear it all the time.
SPEAKER_03 (12:10):
I really wanted to take my time because I I have a
fairly physical job at timesbecause I'm an aircraft
mechanic, so um, I can be insome pretty weird positions
sometimes for a long time andright have to lift heavy stuff
now and again.
SPEAKER_02 (12:25):
I hear it all the time.
People have major flares at likethe two-week mark.
But then I don't know if you'venoticed on the Reddit group, I'm
seven to eight weeks aftersurgery and I feel terrible.
I I have no idea what it is.
Eight weeks after people arestill still getting these random
flares.
SPEAKER_03 (12:41):
Yeah, I you know what?
Knock on wood, uh I haven't hada backspasm since then.
SPEAKER_02 (12:47):
Okay.
And remind me when was yoursurgery?
SPEAKER_03 (12:50):
It was August of 2023.
Okay.
So it's been over two years.
SPEAKER_02 (12:55):
Two years, yeah.
Any any other sports besidesdisc golf, or is that your main,
usually just that.
SPEAKER_03 (13:02):
Uh depends on if I'm working overtime that week or
not, but usually I I try to playat least three days a week.
SPEAKER_02 (13:09):
Okay.
Wow.
SPEAKER_03 (13:11):
Yeah, uh, you know, I carry a backpack.
Um full it usually I have about20 discs in the backpack.
SPEAKER_01 (13:18):
And how much does that weigh?
SPEAKER_03 (13:20):
Uh well, it usually has like a 32-ounce water bottle
full of water in it, and thensome other accessories and
stuff, and I don't know, maybe10 pounds.
They're it's fairly light.
Uh well, it probably takes itprobably weighs a little more
than 10 pounds, but maybe maybe15.
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Um it's not super light, it'skind of big too.
You know, it has to be kind ofclunky to hold hold the discs.
SPEAKER_02 (13:47):
So if somebody came to you and said, I don't want to
get surgery because I'll neverget back to doing the things I
love.
SPEAKER_03 (13:53):
Yeah, I would definitely say uh surgery is the
way to go.
Um I'm actually um I am I Iactually have a herniated disc
at C7 in my neck, and I've beendealing with that for years, and
it's just recently gotten to thepoint where I am uh I'm gonna
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get a disc replacement.
SPEAKER_02 (14:16):
Okay.
Oh, all right.
SPEAKER_03 (14:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (14:18):
So can I have you back on once you get to this?
SPEAKER_03 (14:21):
Sure.
Yeah, uh, yeah, no, I I'm happyI'd be happy to.
Uh I I've a friend at work hadtwo disc replacements in his
neck at the same time, samesurgery.
SPEAKER_01 (14:31):
Wow.
SPEAKER_03 (14:31):
And his recovery went really well.
SPEAKER_02 (14:34):
Okay, send him my way.
SPEAKER_03 (14:36):
Uh I will, I will.
I'll uh let him know.
SPEAKER_02 (14:39):
Is that do you think that's from the the mechanical
work that you do?
SPEAKER_03 (14:43):
I think that's part of it.
I think uh I think it's beenthat's another one that just uh
looking back, uh I realized thatum I have I've had problems with
it in the past and I just didn'trealize that's what it was from.
Um and it's um it's been like anongoing thing, and I I just I
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had uh I actually had a neckspasm uh a couple months ago and
it was like the first timethat's ever happened.
Um that's a terrible feeling.
Uh it's not quite as bad as thelower back, but it's it's pretty
bad.
SPEAKER_01 (15:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (15:25):
Um, I was actually at the end uh last four holes of
a tournament, a disc golftournament, and I don't even
know what I did.
I I went to reach over and pickup my backpack and sling it over
my back, and I was like, oh mygod, what was that?
You know, yeah.
But uh I feel better than I didwhen it first happened.
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Um, and I'm I'm getting anepidural later this week.
So hopefully that helps.
SPEAKER_02 (15:50):
Okay, did you have one of those for your back?
SPEAKER_03 (15:53):
I had yes, I did.
I had one for my back back in2016, and I felt like it made it
worse actually.
SPEAKER_02 (16:01):
I I've heard that for some for some people, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (16:04):
Yeah, I had one in my neck back in like June, and
it seemed to help.
It took like a week to reallystart to kick in, but I really
felt like it was helping forabout six weeks, and then it was
just like nothing.
SPEAKER_02 (16:20):
Yeah, I had one for my lower back, and it only
worked for about two weeks.
SPEAKER_03 (16:25):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (16:25):
And that was like I need surgery.
SPEAKER_03 (16:27):
The uh the waiting for surgery, that was the worst,
the worst time of my life, Ithink.
For nine weeks.
SPEAKER_02 (16:33):
Can you uh do you mind sharing where do you live?
Where are you from or what area?
SPEAKER_03 (16:37):
Um I uh I'm not from here, but I live outside of
Louisville, Kentucky.
Uh okay.
The the native Louisvilleanswould it's they it's pronounced
Louisville.
unknown (16:49):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (16:50):
Uh but I'm I actually grew up right outside
of Cincinnati.
In Kentucky, but right outsideof Cincinnati is where I grew
up.
Um I just moved here for work.
So okay.
SPEAKER_02 (17:00):
And why did it take so long to get surgery?
Nine-week wait, you said?
SPEAKER_03 (17:04):
I don't know.
I uh so there's all there areonly like two hospitals near me
that that I knew of at the timethat were um like the two big
hospitals.
One of them is NortonHealthcare, and they have an
it's called Norton LeathermanSpine Institute.
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And and that's where I ended upgoing.
I called another hospital thatwe have in the area named it was
like Baptist Health, and just totalk to a doctor, just to have
an appointment with them wasthree months.
SPEAKER_02 (17:39):
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_03 (17:40):
Uh so I was able to get in in a few weeks.
I was able to talk to a doctorat Norton, and I really liked
him, and I think he did a goodjob.
I mean, I'm happy with theremote.
SPEAKER_01 (17:52):
Sounds like it.
SPEAKER_03 (17:53):
Yeah, and um, and I talked to him, but he had a big
wait list.
I mean, and he was he was the Imean, I I got in to see him
earlier than I could see anyoneelse in that um in that hospital
system.
SPEAKER_02 (18:08):
Um was he neuro or orthopedic?
SPEAKER_03 (18:12):
Uh he was uh neuro, sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (18:16):
Okay, that's okay.
SPEAKER_03 (18:18):
Yeah, he he was a uh neurosurgeon, I believe.
SPEAKER_01 (18:22):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (18:22):
Uh yeah, his name is Dr.
Charles Crawford.
I don't know if uh you'reallowed to say that or not.
He did a he did a good job.
So yeah, but I'm actually I'mgoing to a different doctor for
my neck.
So I'm just referral from acoworker, so and he doesn't do
that anyway.
SPEAKER_02 (18:42):
So yeah.
When I picked my surgeon, I wentwith Who Can See Me Fastest.
SPEAKER_03 (18:46):
I didn't know I was absolutely miserable.
I I will I talked to the otherhospital and they said it would
be three months, and I was like,forget about it.
And yeah.
Um, but yeah, I couldn't work.
I uh it was it was absolutelythe worst.
I'm I mean, I couldn't situpright for nine weeks.
Um ride home from surgery wasthe first time in over two
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months that I was able to situpright in a in a chair.
Um, you know, granted, I was ona lot of like drugs or whatever
that they gave me after thesurgery, but um just being able
to sit upright was amazing, youknow.
Yeah, I I mean I would if we hadto go somewhere, I would
literally have to lean my chairflat.
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Like I would get into thepassenger side with my wife, and
if I had to drive somewhere, itwas just excruciating the whole
time.
I was just yeah in so much pain.
I mean, there was nothing Icould do, like no position I
could sit in that would make itgo away.
SPEAKER_02 (19:43):
Yeah, it's it's absolutely the worst experience.
SPEAKER_03 (19:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (19:47):
Um, when you returned to work, uh so you were
out of work for five months, isthat what you said?
SPEAKER_03 (19:53):
About five and a half, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (19:55):
Five and a half.
Were you able to dive right backback in, or did you have to
modify how you worked on theengines for a little while?
SPEAKER_03 (20:01):
Um so they don't they don't allow us to have any
sort of um like light duty.
You have to be you have to beready to go, you have to be able
to lift uh one of the uhprerequisites is being able to
lift at least 60 pounds aboveyour waist.
So that was part of my PT umprogram.
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He he had set up like thesewooden boxes and he would slowly
add weight like every week, likea couple pounds every week, and
I would have to lift it up offthe ground and put it on a
shelf.
Like, you know, at first it waswaist height and then it was
kind of chest tight, and then itwas like above and and till I
could get it like above myshoulders on a shelf.
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Um so I thought that was reallygood, real, really good, like
tailored um program.
SPEAKER_02 (20:56):
Program, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (20:57):
Yeah, and he had me do a lot of other things too,
but that that one was definitelyuh really helpful.
That exercise, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (21:05):
I think you're gonna surprise a lot of people back to
disc off and lifting over 50pounds.
SPEAKER_03 (21:11):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (21:12):
Short after surgery.
SPEAKER_03 (21:14):
We have to uh so we work on everything on the
airplane, anything that breaks,we have to fix.
Um doesn't matter what it is,and then we actually like when
the planes land and they comethey taxi into the gates.
Um when they when they pull intothe gate, we have to we have to
plug the airplane in so thatthey can turn the the engines
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off and turn off the uh APU, theauxiliary power unit.
Um and there's a there's areceptacle on the side of the
airplane, it's it's by the nosegear, and we have to plug this
big giant heavy cord.
We drag it over from the thepower station, and then we have
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to plug it into the theaircraft, and they weigh they
probably weigh, I mean, thewhole cord weighs a a lot, but
just the part that we're likeup, it's really heavy, and we
have to get it up above likeabove our heads.
SPEAKER_02 (22:13):
Um I feel like I've seen that on space balls.
Oh yeah, yeah, a giant plug thatpeople are trying to plug in.
SPEAKER_03 (22:21):
Yeah, uh it's really hard to plug in.
I mean, it's hard on hard onyour neck and your shoulders,
and it's so that was uh that'sprobably the one thing that like
the one repetitive thing that wedo at work that I was definitely
like not looking forward togoing back to doing, but it's
been fine.
Um yeah, other than the you knowthe problem with my neck, which
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is not related to right, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:46):
So do you do any kind of um exercises now to just
maintain a healthy spine?
SPEAKER_03 (22:52):
Yeah, um, so there's there are a number of um
exercises that my physicaltherapist gave me, and then
there I I just kind of I'm youknow, I'm not a qualified uh uh
exercise scientist or anything,but um I found some exercises
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online and like kind of talkedto my physical therapist about
it.
Like, do you think this would begood?
Or you know, what about thisexercise?
And he might say, Well, do thisinstead.
Um, and I've got a whole list ofit's essentially like a yoga
calisthenics kind of routinethat I go through, like like a
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yoga sequence with somecalisthenics mixed in there.
And uh, I try to do that atleast three to five days a week,
and um definitely on days whenI'm I know I'm gonna play disc
golf, I've noticed that I play alot better if I do that before I
go.
Yeah, um, it it just reallylimbers me up and like gets me
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moving a lot better.
Um, and it's I I mean it's Iwish that I would have been
doing these exercises beforeinstead of just like trying to
go go to the gym and boost myego and uh you know set personal
records for uh you know, you doa lot of things when you're
younger that you regret.
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Uh but I definitely don't know.
I I think I might get back intoto going to the gym, it just
won't be like it used to be, youknow.
Yeah, I used to wait lessfunction, yeah.
Yeah, more function over uh formform, I guess, so to speak.
You know, like I don't I don'tcare so much about the uh
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aesthetics and the pleasing myego as much as I care about like
just being able to function as aas a as a human being,
especially the older I get, likejust being able to do the things
that I want to do, and you knowthat's awesome.
SPEAKER_02 (24:57):
Nick, I really appreciate you taking the time
out to talk to me and share yourstory.
I know there's gonna be peoplewho really appreciate listening
to you about uh getting backinto sports, especially.
SPEAKER_03 (25:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (25:08):
Yeah, I see a lot of people like tennis, and I want
to play tennis and golf, butthey're scared to.
And you jump right back in.
SPEAKER_03 (25:16):
Yeah, I mean, you know what?
I've got another friend at work.
I'll I'll see if he wants to umto do the the chat with you.
He he got a disc replacement atL5S1.
SPEAKER_02 (25:26):
Oh, I would love to.
I haven't had a disc replacementperson on here yet.
SPEAKER_03 (25:30):
Okay.
Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (25:32):
All right.
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your story.
I would love to include yourvoice on the show.
Once again, it was a realpleasure meeting you.
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