EP.022 - Joel Cherry Tree // Artist ( Musician & Graphic Artist ) - Bedroom with Patrick Sean Gibson

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you are listening to bedroom bedroom bedroom with
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Bedroom Studio.
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It's Patrick

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Sean Gibson.

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Welcome to the number one podcast in the bay.

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I'm the world champion.

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We are live in San Francisco in the bedroom.
Bedroom.
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And today, we have my friendJoel Cherrytree in the studio.
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Now, let's talk about my homie,Joel.

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Hey, listen!

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Episode 22, Joel Cherrytree, Artist.
Joel Cherrytree, what a name,right?
I was first introduced to Joelby our mutual friend Karina on a
music video set I was directinglast year.
Joel came out to support thevideo and I think that's a huge
part of what he's all about.
He supports musicians he lovesby being a band and tour
manager, he supports brands likeHoneyTV with his unique

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illustration and graphic artstyle, and he supports all of
his fans and friends in thescene with the music he offers
us all, which really justtouches on some of the most
intimate and beautiful parts ofbeing human.
To me, Joel's a really soliddude, and I was hyped to chop it
up with him here in the studio.
I think you're gonna dig thisconversation.
Also, I'm really excited toannounce that at the end of the

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pod, we have an exclusive earlyrelease from his upcoming album,
a song by the name of YourFloor.
It is such a beautiful song, andI am so, so, so hyped Joel is
sharing it with all of usbedroom booze.
We love you, Joel.
So stay tuned to the end of theepisode if you want to hear this
banger.
In this episode of Bedroom, Joeltalks about being a band and

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tour manager and how his deepinvolvement in music has opened
up many doors for him in hiscreative life.
He shares his thoughts onpainting and how his daily
routine has helped fuel hiscreative output.
From there, we dive in earlywith a list submitted question
from Bedroom alumni JesseNyberg, the Los Angeles-based
graphic designer.

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Joel talks about how his visualart style has evolved and then
deep dives into why he lovesdrawing on a laptop trackpad.
We discuss his upcoming album,Jesus, and Joel shares some
behind-the-scenes details on hissongwriting and music-making
process.
He also talks aboutcollaborating with my dear
friend, musician Mae Powell, whois featured on the upcoming

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album.
Additionally, Joel sharesinsights into his involvement
with Honey TV and Mom Jeans.
Finally, after all that, we wrapup with a round of bedroom
banter where I rapid fire someclassic bedroom questions and
Joel gives the fans what theywant.
Big shout outs to Joel forcoming on to the pod.
Welcome to the bedroom, y'all.
You

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are listening

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to Bedroom with Patrick Sean Gibson.

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Drape your blanket over my bed I cry myself to
sleep Pull you over top of myhead Do you

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feel like with tech being in the Bay Area, you've
gotten more art opportunities?

SPEAKER_02 (05:07):
No.
It would be nice to branch intothat just on a commission basis,
but...
I actually think when I'm likein LA or New York or when I'm
traveling around cities that aremore art focused or like more
bands and like young people kindof like trying to make art, I

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feel like that's where I'll getmore commission just because I'm
more the guy like we're doingthis record and then they see me
and they're like, oh Joel's atthe bar he should just do the
t-shirt part of the scene dudeyeah that's the beauty of it
though it's tricky out herewhere I think there's there are
a lot of artists and likemusicians but there aren't

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really like a lot of managementor like label type people.
And I get a lot of work throughthat also.

SPEAKER_04 (05:57):
I do a lot of music, a lot of work in music, but I'm
strictly a visual artist.
The thing about you though, isyou're a musician and you're a
visual artist among otherthings, like a creative director
and manager and all this stuff.
So it's kind of like, you cankind of bridge the gap between
these things very seamlessly, Iwould imagine, huh?

SPEAKER_02 (06:17):
Yeah, I think that the creative designer or
creative director and artist,like illustrative and graphic
design artist, kind of gets mein the room a lot of places
where I feel like maybe thepeople I work with in that
sphere are more popular.
But then I get to be like, hey,like, check out my song also.

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Or we can level as peers

SPEAKER_04 (06:42):
also.
Do you identify, not that we'resuch complex beings as humans,
obviously, but some peopleidentify what they do over
another thing.
Do you feel like you're more ofa visual artist or more of a
musician?
Or is it kind of like a 50-50thing?
Yeah.

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Or maybe it's depending uponwhat day of the week it is or
something.

SPEAKER_02 (07:08):
Yeah, I think only maybe two or three years ago I
decided I'm just going to callmyself an artist.
I feel like I was putting thatoff for a decade.
But, yeah, mostly because it'sso multidisciplinary that, yeah,
I think that I like to try toabsorb it all into one.

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Yeah.
Where hopefully even the clientwork– like designs and then the
music I make and you know Ipaint also like all those things
kind of can exist as one bodyyeah that that hopefully plays
off itself and right that's thegoal so I think having a title

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artist is something that helpsme compartmentalize all that
into one thing yeah that makessense

SPEAKER_04 (07:56):
I feel like I struggle with that like when I
am at like a you know a party orwhatever and someone I don't
know is like oh what do you do Ijust freeze up I kind of like
depending upon the crowd likemaybe I'll give a different
answer but the reality is likeyeah I do filmmaking sometimes I
do animating other times I drawand sometimes I do graphic

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design but it's like I feel likeif you say all those things at
least in my opinion it feelslike a little pretentious cause
like you're like I do like 45things

SPEAKER_02 (08:27):
you know I mean it's the only thing that has kept me
I think in in the freelancecapabilities like is is when I
because I also tour manage.
So when I'm out on tour, I don'treally have time to make music
or make any art.
But we're constantly in the roomwith other bands and labels.

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And even at the shows, we'llmeet just fans of the band that
come out to see them.
And I think everything kind ofworks together in a good
networking sort of way.
But yeah, I think it can totallybe pretentious when I'm like a
list off.
Here's everything I've done inthe last decade.

SPEAKER_04 (09:09):
yeah I know like when I go back home and I see
people and they're like whathave you been up to and I'm like
every week it's like a differentthing I live the most like ADHD
ass life and I can't keep trackof it sometimes you know

SPEAKER_02 (09:26):
yeah I like a routine though that's goals for
me yeah I am lucky where I cankind of have my work window is
just like noon to six.
And before then I tried to justget out and like hike or

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something and get a coffee andlike draw at a cafe.
And then from noon to six, Iwill like email and phone call
and kind of do like, I'm my ownassistant on my own.
Like all the logistics for Joellife has to happen then or
nothing.
Then after six, it's like, allright, now I'm, I'm at home

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chilling.
Totally.

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In

SPEAKER_04 (10:11):
my little basic ghetto ass bedroom research, it
sounds like you're fromHenderson out in Las Vegas.

SPEAKER_02 (10:22):
Yeah, I grew up in Las Vegas, like from middle
school to college.
So I lived there for like 10years, basically.

SPEAKER_04 (10:33):
And that's where, it was your first band, Alaska?
Yeah, yeah.
And they're from Las Vegas?

SPEAKER_02 (10:38):
Yep, yeah.
We met, I mean, I've known thoseguys since like middle school,
basically.
And yeah, we formed the bandAlaska when we were in high
school.
And that was the first band thatreally toured all over.
We did for US, Canada.
We played in Europe all over.

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We played in the UK.
Kraken.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was like the grind.
And it was kind of more punk,kind of screamo music that...
I met almost, you know, it waslike super formative time, and I
met a lot of people.
I met Mom Jeans, who I continueto work with.

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I managed them for four or fiveyears, and now I'm creative
director for them.
And they're from Berkeley.
That's kind of how I ended upout here.
Okay.
But, yeah, I'd say, like, themanagement– and the creative
director stuff, and the musicthat had been released, all that

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on my website is kind of a onefriend group kind of thing.
And for a lot of time, I think Iwas just a responsible party.
hey everyone else like in momjeans everybody is working on
the music and that's the focusand then i'm kind of like the

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extra guy who i handled all themerch all the tour logistics
eventually like talking tolawyers and like labels and
dealing with everything you knowand then it's like okay well
maybe i am a band manager um andi handle that stuff for just
friends which sam plays in bothMom Jeans and Just Friends.

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So I help them out with a ton ofstuff.
We kind of co-manage thatproject.
And then Graduating Life is aband that I filled in playing
bass for a long time ago.
And then that is also a memberof Mom Jeans band.
And so I help them on tour withall that stuff.
And that is a bit lessco-managing, but I kind of just

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have it all there okay okay yeahi think the fans of those bands
would be interested in in thatlike dichotomy or lore but it's
kind of just i just dealt withall the emails yeah i mean
someone's got to do it exactlyyeah and i like it i think I
enjoy managing, uh, again, it'slike an exercise that is less

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creative, more logistic.
And, and yeah, I think the, whenI was managing mom jeans, one of
the last things I did was likeour taxes for like three years,
I was like organizing all ofthat.
And then I thought this isawful.
Like no one, no one should haveto deal with

SPEAKER_04 (13:29):
this.
Yeah.
You just become like interim CPAbasically.

SPEAKER_02 (13:33):
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
And I've read like books onmusic, man, And I've seen, you
know, I've, I've went down thatrabbit hole maybe someday again,
like, uh, when I'm like 40, Ifeel like managing as a job for
like a 40, 45 year old.
That's

SPEAKER_04 (13:48):
pretty accurate.
I feel like a lot of the bandmanagers I've talked to are
usually

SPEAKER_02 (13:52):
up there.
Yeah.
Cause you have to be able, youhave to be networked and you
have to have like some sort ofleverage with people.
Otherwise you are just like a 28year old sending emails and
that's not, the most fun placeto be

SPEAKER_04 (14:08):
yeah why just because you think that like
people aren't taking youseriously or something or

SPEAKER_02 (14:14):
no I think that you as a band manager I think the
main role is to be this likevector that all kind of good
news bad news passes throughbefore it goes to the band and
so you're supposed to be able toprotect them from a lot of
things that distract from artand from music and and it's just
a lot to be to deal with as ayoung person where you don't

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maybe have the resources to likereally fix a lot of problems.
So then it's like every day islike, okay, how do I figure out
how to deal with this thing?
I think with more experience,you can kind of take things in
stride better.
And also, i think there's adifferent uh relational aspect

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like as a young band managerwhen i talk to somebody for help
who is another manager or lawyeror whatever they're all people
i'm going to for experience andthey you know maybe there's like
a mentor type relationship but ithink that you can't fully rely
on that like i'm I'm thinkingthat there should be a more

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balance of information and helpgiven.
So.
Okay.
A little bit confusing, but no,

SPEAKER_04 (15:28):
no, it's, it's, that's cool.
I mean, that's kind of thebeauty is like, I feel like for
people like us who have a myriadof different interests, I don't
know.
It's sort of like the Jack ofall trades, master of none.
I always kind of joke about likethe Jack of all trades, master
of a few potentially, but itkind of just like, I think it's

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cool.
Cause I feel like in a way Icould imagine how being a band
manager, like there's obviouslylike tough parts of it, like
taxes, like, yeah, that doesn'tsound fun, but I could imagine
there's some also like reallyrewarding stuff.
And you're also still just like,you know, you're like the
security blanket for a creativeact.
You know what I mean?
Like they can rely on you.

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And I would imagine that is anice feeling.

SPEAKER_02 (16:12):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it is so rewarding.
I think even tour managing,which I kind of, have been in
that role longer is so rewardinglike we show up and we make a
show happen from nothing likeevery single bit of merch and
like the schedule and the showposter and like the bands that

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are playing and even like themusic that plays in the venue
like we're responsible for everysingle thing that happens across
the country and a bunch ofdifferent places for people that
you know maybe don't always haveaccess to art and music and i
think seeing a show play outlike we did a show at the

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hollywood palladium in la whichis like 3600 or something and um
just to even put on a show forthat many people is like such an
undertaking.
And then when it plays out, Ithink even that show, there was
a bunch of technical difficultyand it was like a total
nightmare of a gig.

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But at the end of it, we all getto breathe a big sigh and be
like, we maybe did somethinggood.
No, you

SPEAKER_04 (17:28):
totally did.

SPEAKER_02 (17:29):
And then we wake up tomorrow and it's like, all
right, go again, try again.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_04 (17:34):
I love that because when I'm at concerts and I'm
seeing friends play, And Italked to him about it later.
They'll be like, oh, this wentwrong or that went wrong or
this.
But then as just someone in theaudience, I'm like, I thought it
was pretty cool.
I didn't see any of the badparts of that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (17:52):
I mean, I never thought of it this way.
But if you think of it like apainting, there's just going to
be little funky moments inthere.
And you can paint over them.
But isn't it nice when you cansee things?
through a painting and there'slike, there's just little
moments that happen at somepoint and they stand out because

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they are not right.
They are weird.
So I think that show is one inparticular that stands out like,
damn, we dealt with a lot ofbullshit on that, but, um, it's
a show I think about because ithas that.

SPEAKER_04 (18:28):
The bullshit is beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 (18:30):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We overcame and, uh,

SPEAKER_04 (18:34):
Yeah, it's nice to see the humanity in things, too.
We're not all perfect, andthat's what's kind of rad about
shit.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (18:40):
and that's the other best thing about traveling
around is we go and we work withall these different venues, all
these people who we never meetor really interface with
otherwise, and we get to worktogether.
We get to collaborate on thisevent every night.
So surprisingly to me, I neverreally thought that I would be
fulfilled there.

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by that but it is a greatbalance to to working as an
artist like a musician solomusician or a painter or a
graphic designer we're reallyI'm sitting alone at a computer
or in a studio.

SPEAKER_04 (19:17):
It's nice to be collaborative with people,
community, and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (19:20):
Yeah.
Well, in a totally overwhelmingway.
We've got this machine to makework.
How do we do that?

SPEAKER_03 (19:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (19:29):
I mean, speaking of these metaphors of painting and
stuff, I know that clearly youdo a lot of graphic design,
illustrative work and stuff.
But I didn't know that you wereinterested in painting as well.
Is that a new thing, or is thatsomething that's kind of like
been under the scenes for alittle bit or what's your
relationship with painting like?

SPEAKER_02 (19:48):
Yeah I think what's nice I mean I've been painting
since like college so I justwent to UNLV which is in Las
Vegas and that was like I wasgoing there for an English
degree so but yeah I tookpainting classes back then and
since then like just casuallypainting paint and make art on a

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canvas, basically.
I think what is nice about it isit's an aspect of my practice
that isn't totallycommercialized or for any client
work.
It's definitely in the hobby andenjoyment uh like category

SPEAKER_04 (20:32):
that's like so important seriously i feel like
that's what kind of this is forme and i i feel like the same
with filmmaking it's like myliving isn't dependent upon it
oh yeah and it's so nice to havesomething that i just do because
i want to do

SPEAKER_02 (20:46):
it you know painting as a career would be brutal i
think because as a freelancerall the money i make is what is
like commercial?
What is like gonna, what can weput on t-shirts that sells a
t-shirt?
Like the art of it barelymatters to anyone probably but

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me.
Yeah, totally, totally.
Yeah, so like in a totally likebar, or like, not bar, but like
a graph that determines thevalue of something.
So yeah, painting is nicebecause I'm not thinking of
anybody but, I'm not thinking ofany, not even myself.
I think painting is like, itpasses through you and it's

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like, yeah, you're a vector forthis life output.
When I draw a t-shirt for momjeans, it's not, it's not fully
that.
What's nice is I think in my, inmy, work my freelance work i'm
at that place where people dolet me kind of do whatever i
want and so i do get to expressmore i think in band merch than

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most designers get topotentially yeah yeah they want

SPEAKER_04 (21:58):
your

SPEAKER_02 (21:58):
voice yeah yeah they trust they trust that They also
kind

SPEAKER_04 (22:03):
of know what they're probably signing up for at this
point, too, you know?

SPEAKER_02 (22:06):
I'm, like, hardline in a zone.
Like, are you not going to get,like, the regular band shirt?

SPEAKER_04 (22:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (22:13):
I could do that, and I get infrequent commissions to
do things like that.
It's not awful, but there's anamount of freedom that is super
nice.
Like, hey, we need, like, sixdesigns.
Like, just...
whatever

SPEAKER_04 (22:28):
six designs i feel like for some designers could
feel like a lot but you'refucking cranking

SPEAKER_02 (22:32):
dude yeah well this is the other thing with the
style that i've kind of beenworking in for the last three or
four years now um part of it islike not only aesthetic like
what i want to aestheticallymake but also there's like
parameters on it like how longdoes it take me to make And like

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I try to do daily projects andmore like Instagram-focused work
that is just drawings for peopleto look at.
And that is totally– I can'tspend all day doing that.
So it's– there's like rules thatI make for myself.

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Like, okay, these five designs,they should happen in like– two
hours or something.

SPEAKER_04 (23:22):
Do you set a timer or do you just kind of like
mentally know where you're atkind of thing?

SPEAKER_02 (23:27):
No, not a timer, but from my like routine earlier, I
kind of am just locked in atime, you know, I think that it
helps me to warm up for the workthat I need to do.
Usually that kind of stuff I'lldo.
pre sitting down and actuallyworking

SPEAKER_03 (23:46):
okay

SPEAKER_04 (23:48):
well i want to transition because we're on a
topic of it and i feel like inormally keep these for later in
the pod um but i do have alistener submitted question and
this is from jesse nyberg ohnice graphic designer in la we
love jesse big fan and uh Hesays, ask him how he thinks his

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style has evolved over the pastfive years, and also if he's
still drawing with the trackpad.

SPEAKER_02 (24:18):
Yeah.
Yeah, I still do all my work ona trackpad.
I've had a few burn through afew laptops.

SPEAKER_04 (24:27):
See, that's what I wanted to get into, but why
don't you answer his questionabout how you think your style
has evolved first and then we'lltalk trackpad stuff

SPEAKER_02 (24:37):
but yeah the style originated maybe from a daily
project where I was like okayevery day I want to make one
drawing that represents like adiary diaretical like and it's
illustrated and it's in like ameme format so I just kind of
like boom here are the rulesevery day for my warm up work I

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would do that and I thinkeventually it had some traction
on the internet.
People were interested in seeingthat.
So it built up, I think, anaudience of people who expected
that sort of work.
The quickness of it, the urgencyof it probably is a better word.

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These are thoughts that just...
they don't take too much todissect it.
Like it's very much like a- It'simmediate.
It's immediate.
It's like a one page comic.
It's one tile that just is afull narrative.
And then that is challenging, Ithink.
And once you get into doing thatfor like two or three weeks, a

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month, and then a year intodoing that sort of work, you're
really like, you have to learnhow to process a narrative
concept properly.
and boil it down into somethingsimple, which I think helps with
songwriting and it helps withevery other aspect of art.
So I like that too, that there'sthis interplay between all the
disciplines that I benefit fromthat thought process in my like

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daily life, but then also inlike making music and painting
and whatever.
It's like, yeah.
And the through line to all thisstuff, I think is like poetry,
which goes back to like, theEnglish degree, which I love
poetry basically.

SPEAKER_04 (26:26):
Do you think like when you are like out in the
world, let's say you're on yourmorning hike or grabbing coffee
or it's nighttime in your doomscrolling, reading the news of
the world or whatever it may be,do you kind of like think of
like, okay, I'm inspired by thisthing, whether it's a good event

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or a bad event and I'm inspiredto make something.
Do you kind of think of like,how can I boil this down?
down to make it into that reallylike kind of like you know
minimalistic sort of like interms of usage of words and you
know iconography or drawingslike do you kind of feel like it
just comes naturally or is itsomething that you're kind of

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like it's a working musclementally that you're trying to
develop or something

SPEAKER_02 (27:11):
yeah i i feel like when i am kind of consuming
media especially yeah like tvshows movies music other graphic
art like on on internet orwhatever I think potentially I'm

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not really like processing it ormaking that attempt to but I am
always listening for like It'salmost the reverse of that, I
think.
I'm looking for what someonesays that I think encapsulates
or something.
I'm looking for something smallthat references something big.
And so, yeah.

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And in some media, a characterwill say just something that
strikes me.
And it's like, wow, thatactually means everything that
they're trying to say, but somuch more.
And then...
And then it's like, how doesthat relate to the world at
large and like, you know,current events, social things.

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And so, yeah, I think it's morelike conversational and like
signs.
Like if I see like someone haswritten something on like the
wall or whatever, I almost thinkthat starting really small
events, Is helpful.
And then with the illustrationand maybe the characters or

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whatever else I'm adding, thenthat creates this new world for
the words.
Sure,

SPEAKER_04 (28:43):
sure.
You're like recontextualizingit, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (28:46):
Yeah, because there's such a beauty in...
In words.
And so sometimes like when youhear something that you haven't
heard in a long time or in adifferent context, that is like
really inspiring.
Yeah.
I do think I would find it hardto like, let's say like I just
saw Paddington 3.

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Awesome movie.
So sick.
Yeah, it's actually really good.
And I don't know if I shouldeven talk about it because it's
like spoilers.
But I think that...
Wait, don't spoil it because Iwant to see it.
It's really good.
And I wouldn't want to spoil it.
I think...
The second one is a banger,dude.
Second one is a banger.
Hard for them to follow up onthat.

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I think that they did.
But, like, let's just say...
Anyways, I can do it withoutspoilers, probably.
Thank you.
But, like, Paddington.
I see that.
I think it'd be hard for me todraw something that really
visually, singularly, simplyrepresented the whole movie...
in a narrative sense to someonewho hasn't seen it, like here's

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all the value in it.
And Paddington 2, yeah, amazingmovie, very deep, like
conceptual thing.
It's hard to package that tiny,but maybe there's something.
Like a moment or something.
Yeah.
And then that is like, wow,let's take that and show people
this thing.

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morsel this tiny thing and thenthey don't need to know what
it's about they don't need it toit doesn't need the burden of of
referencing that it can it canbe its own strong little thing
sure yeah that's when I get allmy art music and drawing and
painting and everything I'm likeI really hope that this small

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thing that I offer can have thestrength to to tell a story or
something yeah

SPEAKER_04 (30:38):
yeah I mean it kind of makes me think of you know
You got this new album comingout.
And by the way, we're gettingback to the track pad because we
got to solve some shit here.
I'm cool with it.
I'm strong.
I'm small and brave.
Wait, am I feeling mighty toinsult the track pad?
Because I'm not.

(30:58):
I'm more stoked on

SPEAKER_02 (30:59):
it.
I mean, it comes from the totalneed.
I was touring so much and doingso much graphic design in the
back of vans or in a venue or,like, at, you know, somebody's
kitchen island or whatever,like, just in every coffee shop,
like, just making any locationwork to get some design done.

(31:22):
And I had, like, I don't know ifpeople use these still, the
Wacom tablet, and, like, this ispre-iPad, and everyone has an
iPad with the pencil now.
But I've kind of just stayedaway from it because...
And even...
You know, in the most likeergonomic and comfortable way,

(31:44):
sitting and drawing just in yourlap with your fingers is like,
it's so absolutely, you could doit your whole life.
Yeah.
You know, there's no stress.
I think holding a pencil,holding a brush, playing guitar,
drums.
Yeah, you're so cramped up.
Oh my God.
I mean, I'm glad I don't playguitar as much because I think

(32:07):
playing guitar all those yearstotally like, I might've even
avoided carpal tunnel somehow.
Like I feel like I was having areally hard time with my wrist
and now years later, somehowjust chilling.

SPEAKER_04 (32:21):
The track pad helped you.
Yeah.
Have you, I mean, I get it.
It's so, it's so punk and like,and it's ethos to just like, I'm
not going to use these otherdrawing devices.
That's what I thought.
And then it also, it's justlike, There's just, like, the
reality of, like, it probablyalso aids in the development of

(32:42):
your style and everything, too.
And now it's just, like,synonymous with what you make,
you know?

SPEAKER_02 (32:47):
Yeah, that's the tricky thing is I do a lot of
drawing in a sketchbook, like,at the cafe.
And I like to draw peoplewalking around.
But, yeah, it just...
You get a different look fromdrawing...
regularly I guess or liketraditionally maybe yeah and

(33:10):
then drawing on the trackpadwith just your finger yeah it
kind of in a way simplifies itlike into a childish place of
like finger painting and like orI really think of like writing
in in like concrete or mud orsomething you like you only
really get one one shot to makethe line or the shape And yeah,

(33:38):
digitally you can totallycorrect and stuff, but I do try
to keep it in like a flowy.
You

SPEAKER_04 (33:45):
need to hold the line because I feel like graphic
designers, illustrators, they'rejust going to come at you.
They're like, why aren't youusing the Wacom tablet?
Why aren't you using the iPad?
Like they don't want you to be

SPEAKER_02 (33:56):
able to do it.
I mean, I think a lot of times Ihave to introduce myself as a
graphic designer myself.
to like a normal person.
I think sometimes I say artistand it is so, it can be
pretentious and out of touch.
And so when I say graphicdesigner to somebody who works
at like Tesla or something,they're like, oh, okay.

(34:19):
Like, I get it.
Like we have graphic designers.
I know a graphic designer.
Yeah.
And

SPEAKER_04 (34:24):
it's like, I...
Whereas if you were like, I'm anartist, they're like, can't
compute.

SPEAKER_02 (34:30):
Yeah.
Or they're like...
what?
Well, how do you make money?
And I'm lucky.
It just comes down to that, youknow, it's insane.
You know, well, I was just goingto say as a graphic designer, I
don't feel like I totally fitin.
I know how to use a lot or, youknow, I know for anybody who
wants to hire me, I know how todo everything on illustrator and

(34:52):
Photoshop and PDFs and whatever.
I can do any, anything andeverything, but I'm not as
proficient as, you know, I see.
And I learned almost, LikeJesse, for example.
I see a video of his.
He'll do something.
I'm like, well, that saves mehours because I'm so backwards
in how I use the program.

(35:13):
And I almost feel like that isthe punk element for me is I'm
using this program so backwards.
I am shaking it and trying toget the most crunchy, fucked up
thing out of really...
advanced technological decadesof development they put into
illustrator you know and I'mjust like I want to draw with my

(35:36):
finger and I want it to looklike like it came out of like
the crappiest printer and it'sbeen on a wall for ever yeah
totally yeah I kind of I

SPEAKER_04 (35:46):
love that no you know what dude like and I'll
just take ownership of this ifyou want to jump on the
bandwagon let's fucking drivethis shit but I'm going to do a
little bit of a shots fired atgraphic designers.
And I'm a graphic designer.
Oh, okay.
Well, you're fine.
But this is, this is, this isthe thing is like, people are so

(36:09):
program centric.
Like they're like, they're soobsessed with like, this is how
do you do this in Photoshop?
Or how do you do this inillustrator?
And it becomes more about likethe tutorial or like, you know,
how to develop this style.
But I feel what happens is youforget what the intention of
design is as a whole and it'scommunication, right?

(36:33):
And so I'm going to give anexample here of one of my best
friends, Zach.
Shout out, Zach, if he'slistening.
Once upon a time, he...
I think it was for a jobinterview for some sort of like
organic farm.
I forget what it was.
It's some sort of like designmixed with like the world of
organics, right?

(36:53):
And so when he sent in his app,there's like a questionnaire or
something.
So when he sent it in, insteadof just like typing it up and
having cool typefaces and allthis stuff, What he did is he
answered all the questions andhe got a pair of scissors and he
went to some tall grass and hecut in the grass all of his

(37:14):
answers and photographed themfrom a ladder top down, right?
And he compiled this whole thingtogether in a design.
And it's just like this totalStefan Sagmeister left of center
approach to design.
It's like, I'm working with likea farm or whatever it was.
I'm cutting into the land.
I'm answering the questions.

(37:35):
That's a unique perspective, andthat, to me, is what design
should be about.
It should not be like, how toachieve a CRT TV effect.
It's like, no, just get afucking CRT TV if you want that.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (37:46):
I always wondered about that.
Well, the CRT thing, because I'mlike, why are we emulating a lot
of things when it's still there?
I

SPEAKER_04 (38:00):
guess at the end of the day, it's just like, I think
don't feel any shame for thetrackpad.
Like you need to lead the ship.
There's going to be, there'sgotta be a generation of little
Joel's to come.
We're going to use a trackpad.

SPEAKER_02 (38:12):
I wonder, you know, I would like to people, I would
like someone to come at me aboutit.
Cause I'm like, I'm the mostlike hippied out on this design
shit.
I'm like, I think you should be,we should be drawing smiley
faces and fucking flowers and itshould be just the chillest shit
ever.
Um, art should be like life itshould be fun and it should be

(38:34):
sad it should be exciting itshould be boring it should be
everything so it's funny to it'sfunny that there'd be any and
you know like i said since idon't think i i don't totally
think of myself as a graphicdesigner in the graphic design
community i kind of avoid a lotof If there is drama, I don't

(38:56):
know.
I just don't even...
Yeah.
It's like a privilege to be ableto make art and not have to deal
with that competitive side of itor something.
For sure.
Yeah.
I feel very lucky.
I don't even know.
Maybe it's ignorant, but I don'teven know who I...

(39:19):
who else is doing the exactthing that I'm trying to do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
One of one, baby.
It's lonely.
I was going to say it's lonelyat the top.
It's lonely in the middle.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (39:36):
You had said that you like this idea of finding
the little morsel of a bigpicture.
And you got this new albumcoming out called Jesus.
And...
The first song is honestly thesong that grabbed me the most.
I believe it's called On YourFloor.
And to me, we all know what thatexperience is like.

(40:01):
It's talking all night on yourfloor.
And that's it, period.
And we've been there.
We know the feelings you get.
We know...
the warm fuzzy comfortableblanket that is that moment that
experience you know and how deepand how sour sorrowful how fun

(40:22):
it can be whatever you want itto be and sometimes it
fluctuates all within all ofthose feelings it's almost like
just a conversation on the floorcan almost mimic just the human
experience, you know?
So do I feel like, or I'm kindof curious, like, do you take
that little morsel of an ideathat you could make into this
meme-y, graphic-y design,non-graphic-y design

(40:45):
illustration thing and translateit into the song?
Is that like where it comes?
Do you think there's like arelationship, I guess?
I don't really know what theconnection is, but I feel like
there's a connection theresomewhere, you know?

SPEAKER_02 (40:56):
Yeah.
I don't, it's funny because Idon't know if they like one for
one like exist, right?
next to each other but andthat's maybe a little
intentional where the thesimilarity lies a lot in just
the process of of like i theideating and like processing the
idea so the outcome i think iknew I don't know if there's a

(41:21):
way to make a drawing into apicture.
There's a way to do that.
I don't know if there's a way tomake a drawing into a song.
Sure, sure.
Because I think people, yeah,have tried that.
Like, hey, this picture is thissong.
And I think that that remains tobe seen.
But I think that if you putthings through...

(41:44):
The same thought process and thesame thinking, but you're just
using instruments instead ofbrushes and whatever things on a
computer.
I guess brushes also is whatthey call them on the computer.
But you put them through thissimilar process.
the same idea through similarprocesses with different medium,

(42:06):
then you kind of do just end upin a space where they feel,
yeah, there's ambiguity and asimilarity that they kind of
could exist next to each other.
Yeah.
And I think that what is thethrough line is the poetry of
it.
So I think if I put words fromthe song into a drawing, then...

(42:30):
It's almost like creating yourown reference material,
actually.
So like how I said you couldtake from Paddington, you could
take from your own art.
Almost like sampling it, youknow.
And I do that process a lot, Ithink, now that I'm in maybe two

(42:51):
years of making solo music.
Yeah.
I think there's so much stuff Igo and grab from a drawing.
And then likewise, I go and grabfrom the song and put that into
a drawing.
Yeah.
And I think one of the biggestcompliments I've gotten from
anybody who's just heard thisrecord that's unreleased and the
stuff that's out is that it doesfeel like it feels the same as

(43:16):
the drawings.
Yeah, yeah.
And so...
hard to do.
I don't know if I set out to dothat, but I, it feels like it to
me also.

SPEAKER_04 (43:25):
Yeah.
I feel like, I feel like there'sjust, it, maybe it's just
authorship, you know?
And like, it's just, it's allcoming through your vessel, your
brain, your heart, your soul,you know?

SPEAKER_02 (43:36):
When that's like a total accomplishment, like, uh,
validation of artisticexpression like okay that means
what i'm what i'm making in anymedium is expressive and true
because i can be consistentacross these different things
and yeah and say the same thinga bunch of ways yeah and have

(43:59):
this a similar voice essentiallyyou know is in art it's hard to
beyond it it is hard to beuntrue it sucks to be uh false
you make something and itdoesn't feel real or honest and
again yeah i feel super luckythat when i make even band merch

(44:20):
somehow it's an honest thingyeah you know a lot of people
have to go to work and make alogo for like hbo max or
whatever My friend has that job.
And that sucks.
But you probably get paid a lotmore than

SPEAKER_04 (44:36):
me.
I know he does.
Oh, you can make bread in thatworld if you want.
Yeah, for sure.
All

SPEAKER_03 (44:42):
right.

SPEAKER_04 (44:44):
So the new album that's coming, Jesus, you've got
two tracks.
with someone who i adore maypowell yeah and also shout out
to you which is where i met youkarina i don't know if you
remember this but she was theone who introduced you and i

SPEAKER_02 (45:01):
on the music video

SPEAKER_04 (45:03):
and um yeah first of all thank you for coming to that
people like you is what madethat particular set really fun
and i'm

SPEAKER_02 (45:11):
really excited that i haven't seen that

SPEAKER_04 (45:14):
i can it'll it'll come it'll come um But that
being said, as a big fan ofMay's, what was it like writing
some music and then working withMay?
And how did that process go?
Have you guys been talking?
Did you have an idea and you hither up?
How did that all go about?

SPEAKER_02 (45:34):
Yeah.
I mean, I love May.
I feel like for a long timewe've been talking about doing
some stuff together, just kindof like...
that would be fun.
Um, and yeah, she's such a greatsinger.
And I had these songs that Irecorded in New York that had

(45:58):
kind of like, uh, reference thebackup vocals and some parts
like that.
Um, we, we ended up, we didthree songs together, but yeah,
two of them are on this kind offinal record.
Um, But all three songs are soawesome.
And, yeah, I had the songs withthe ideas, and then one day on a

(46:23):
sunny, let's call it Septemberday, maybe, maybe October.
It was pretty hot, actually.
So, yeah, maybe that's hot inthe Bay, though, is like
September, end of September.

UNKNOWN (46:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (46:39):
I wonder when the hell it would have been.
Anyways, it was hot.
An idealistic sunny day.
I know.
Well, it's nice out today, soI'm just dreaming of when it
will be nice for the next threemonths, four months.
Yeah, totally.
But yeah, it was a nice sunnyday, and I went over to May's
house, and we kind of sat downand...
She just ran through thereferences, and then there's a

(47:03):
song that we did together calledMy Favorite Version of Me that
she made some parts up for, too.
It's kind of like a vocal row,like acapella, yeah, vocal jam.
And so, yeah, it was nice to becollaborating with her.

(47:24):
We really, you know, just had areally good time.
And yeah.
And then those songs are like myfavorite songs ever.

SPEAKER_04 (47:35):
Just a beautiful hangout and do some beautiful
songs.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (47:38):
Yeah.
And I was surprised, I guess, tolearn then that she hasn't done
that much like collaborativestuff.
And so I kind of like pridemyself and continue to pride
myself on like showing up to arecording and being able to like
have ideas and be confident andlike I think that making music

(48:02):
can be such an isolating processsometimes and And similar to
working daily drawing to justhave a routine and consistent
rules and parameters or whateveraround making, I think you can
take that into making music andthen really show up in a

(48:24):
recording scenario with otherpeople and be able to
collaborate really well.
Yeah.
That...
has never come easy, but I thinkwith May, it felt super natural.
And then, yeah, I was surprisedlike, oh, you don't do this all
the time.
Like we just had a blast.
We should do this all the time.
Totally.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (48:43):
No, that's so rad.
I love that.

SPEAKER_03 (48:45):
Okay.
I

SPEAKER_04 (48:48):
know I'm jumping all over the place here, but that is
me in a nutshell, but I'mrealizing one thing that I'm
kind of curious about becauseI've known about it from afar
and is honey TV.
And I don't know if it's still athing.
I know there was a storefrontinvolved and I know I'm jumping
from music over to visual, but Ifeel again, that's the ADD in

(49:10):
me.

SPEAKER_02 (49:11):
I think that's the beauty of all this stuff is it
does all play together.
Like honey TV is a t-shirtcompany that my friend, Sam
class started in like 2020.
maybe 18 2017 and um it kind oforiginated as the depot or like

(49:33):
garage sale for all of the momjeans just friends graduating
life and those were all thesebands that were touring um that
era yeah like 20 maybe 15 to2019 or something and and just
friends still tours mom jeansstill tours but At that time, it
was like very DIY kind ofcommunity of those bands.

(49:57):
And so we had this web storethat just got rid of tour
leftovers.
And that's how it originated.
And so that was all based out ofSam's mom's garage in Dublin,
California.
And so, yeah, most days, if weweren't on tour back then, we
would be kind of organizingstuff and shipping out orders.

(50:20):
And it was a very, very punk,fun thing to do.
I think Sam was really inspiredby Asian Man Records.
Yeah, it's a very similar BayArea, homegrown...
ethos to that.
Yeah.
And I think, yeah, Sam, maybehelp Mike Park pack stuff too.
So I think that that is the coreof that idea, you know?

(50:43):
And then, then in like 2021,There's like this civil unrest
and protest and all the BLM andI think tied in with the
pandemic and just, you know,social chaos, everything, a

(51:04):
boiling point there.
I was doing some art for ourfriends who were protesting and
making signs and donating moneyto like mutual aid funds.
And so...
Then I think we were able to usethat kind of machine we built to

(51:24):
sell leftover merch, uh, intojust like, all right, we're
going to shift gears and likefundraise and just like try to
make something good happen.
Cause also we've been out ofwork for, you know, we had all,
you know, everyone was aroundthen, I guess, who's listening
to this.
And if you weren't that crazy,um, but, and then, yeah.

(51:48):
There's like

SPEAKER_04 (51:48):
a baby listening to this.
right now that wasn't

SPEAKER_02 (51:51):
pulling yet shout out to the babies yeah I don't I
guess you want to be five yearsold maybe but anyways um then we
actually raised a lot of money Ithink like somewhere in the
ballpark like 150 200 thousanddollars for yeah like mutual aid
and that's so cool and like foodbanks and from selling t-shirts

(52:13):
yeah like insane well yeah yeahThat is the revenue.
Profit had to be somewhere like60% or whatever.
Like we had to pay for the shirtto be printed or whatever.
But it was like such a crazyamount of money that we were
like, okay.
And like a volume of shippingt-shirts.

(52:33):
So we had to move from thegarage eventually into a bigger
place.
And so...
Kind of related to like pandemicpricing, we got a very sweet
deal on the storefront onUniversity in Berkeley.
And that kind of was ourshipping hub.

(52:55):
And eventually there was a smallstorefront area that was like a
t-shirt store.
And I think after...
or rather when touring and themusic industry kind of came
back, then it all folded backinto that again, where now we
have like, we've releasedrecords, we've done

(53:17):
collaborative band merch for allsorts of pop punk, hardcore,
indie, pop, you know, everybody.
And it spans like, you know,bands with, you know, 5 million,
10 million, whatever, thebiggest bands.
And then we also still try to docollabs with our friends who are

(53:38):
touring on the smaller side ofthings.
And we release music from...
all the people in that samelittle community still.
So,

SPEAKER_04 (53:47):
so like essentially like a record label type of
vibe, but

SPEAKER_02 (53:50):
it's funny because it's just everything again,
like, okay, there's no recordlabel that wants to put this
out.
Like we'll just do it.
Okay.
There's no, but

SPEAKER_04 (53:57):
not claiming that it's honey TV records.
It's just honey.
It's just,

SPEAKER_02 (54:01):
I mean, I think on Spotify it says honey.
Okay.
Like on the distribution tab,but yeah, kind of very much a
vibe, but, um, yeah, we had thestorefront until, um, October of
24.
So really just like recently andnow being five or six months

(54:24):
removed from that, uh, Irealized that that was pretty
crazy to have a warehouse, ourstudio, you know, we filmed
music videos there.
We had a big photo wall in theback, we'd have parties and I
had like a painting, uh, showthere where i showed all these
paintings that i made we hadshows yeah it was just like

(54:47):
total it wasn't as crazy as itcould be i feel like if we were
22 and we had this place itwould have been like just
absolutely just idiots but ithink we were a bit adult with
it.
So does

SPEAKER_04 (55:01):
it still go on or like, is it still a functioning
brand or is

SPEAKER_02 (55:05):
it?
Yeah.
So the brand continues like inkind of just a web space.
Like we have like a 3PL or it'sjust like a third party
fulfillment.
There's words that nobody shouldknow we're talking about, but we
have like a shipping partner.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
And they're awesome.
And so we're able to like, stillhave a brand but we don't have

(55:29):
like a physical space sure sureyeah and we and we don't totally
need it to function like and itmakes our lives easier when
we're on tour to not have aphysical place that needs
somebody to staff it andsomebody to stock it and yeah

SPEAKER_04 (55:45):
that's cool I know that like I mean I've seen some
of the shirts that you'vedesigned I'm assuming you've
designed the vast majority ofthem

SPEAKER_02 (55:53):
yeah so okay then that is my role and it is I'm
pretty much just like thecreative director or like you
know and since there's six of usthat do it like with varying
degrees of involvement but likepretty much everybody has to do
everything like it is it's asmall operation that The lines

(56:18):
of everything are blurred, butI'd say mostly consistently I do
99% of the design.
Cody, who is also part of HoneyTV, he does all of the photo
stuff.
He is an awesome photographer,and he does some really cool

(56:39):
design stuff too.
So sometimes if somethingdoesn't look like it's me, then
it's him.
Gotcha.
we kind of handle everything.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (56:46):
All the visuals.

SPEAKER_02 (56:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (56:48):
That's, that sounds cool.
And also like doing it with sixfriends.
I mean, that's kind of abeautiful thing in itself, you
know?

SPEAKER_02 (56:53):
Yeah.
I mean, I would say the openinga storefront is everyone going
to tell you like, Oh my God,like it's so much harder than
you think it's going to be.
Like, it's going to be so muchwork.
Like you can't even comprehendhow much work it's going to take
to do it.
And so I think you hear that assomebody like ambitious, like
I'm going to open this thing,like, okay, but it's going to be

(57:13):
hard.
Like, I can't even imagine howhard it's going to be.
And then you go do it.
It is so much more fucking hardthan you can even pretend.
I thought you were going theother way with this.
I know.
It's like even every decisionand thing that needs to be done
branches off into two.

(57:34):
five to 10 other, like it is anincomprehensible task to do.
Like, I still don't get, we didit for four years.
I still have no, if I went anddid it again right now, I have
no fucking clue.

SPEAKER_04 (57:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Dude, I thought you were likegoing the other way with this,
being like DIY, like, dude, justfucking do

SPEAKER_02 (57:54):
it.
I wish it was easy.
To do it actually on paper, likelegally, financially
responsibly, Impossible.
I don't think there's asingle...
And then you go to a restaurantor a store and you realize, oh,
they're just fucking doing it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Eat there, but...

(58:16):
That's funny, dude.
It's punk rock, you know?
Shoutouts to all the smallbusinesses.
Yeah, yeah, I see you, I knowwhat's going on.
Yeah, the cafe, I'm like, I knowwhat the fuck this is.
That's fucking funny,

SPEAKER_04 (58:29):
man.
Okay,

SPEAKER_03 (58:31):
dude,

SPEAKER_04 (58:32):
so I got this section called the bedroom
banter.
Hard-hitting questions.
What's true to you on this dayand this day alone?

(58:55):
Okay, Bedroom Banter.
First question.
What are you listening to rightnow, and who are some of your
all-time favorite bands slashmusicians?

SPEAKER_02 (59:03):
Well, on the way over here, I listened to this
artist, Elias Ronenfelt.
I think that's how you say hisname.
He's from Denmark, and he kindof has a super slackadaisical
kind of...

(59:24):
Maybe new wavy, but it's cool.
It's like, it's like bedroomrock, but from like the eighties
or something.
It's pretty cool.
So I like that.
I've also listened to, uh,Jonathan Lindor, who is, uh,
he's from Sweden.
He's also goes by young lane.

(59:46):
Uh, he's like a rapper, Swedishrapper, but his solo project,
which is just his name, uh, isuh similar it's like kind of
rocky yeah 70s 80s just rock butlike done with modern kind of
but not not even like modern popbut just like on a computer you

(01:00:07):
can tell that it isn't totallylike tape machining like And
then that's a flip side.
Then I love like May's music isa good example where like that
is done to be of the era of likethis 60s, 70s.
I keep going back even.
But it's done to have thatactual analog feel.

(01:00:29):
And I think like, yeah, with mymusic, I like it to be the music
I listen to.
I like it to show me somethingnew while like also here's a
bunch of old stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I think that Swedishand Danish emo boy rock is what
I'm listening to these days.
And then my favorite of alltime.

(01:00:50):
I think the furthest I go backlately of all time.
Oh my God.
And I can't.
Today though.
Here's the thing.
It's

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:01):
like you think of one, you're going to leave one
off.
That's just how it's going tobe.
Well,

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:07):
yeah.

UNKNOWN (01:01:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:08):
I'll tell you later who I mostly listen to.
But today it's not.
I think my go-to is usuallyWeezer.
I love Weezer so much.
I feel like they haven't put outa good record in 20 years.
But I think that the first fouror five records are

(01:01:28):
unimpeachably just awesome.
He's such a songwriter savant.
Totally.
like totally what i respect ishe has a process of like
listening to old musicregurgitating like a chord
progression writing lyrics hehas his folders different
folders in a computer withlyrics and and reference songs

(01:01:50):
and then he re-records the chordprogression to be like more
weaselry and This is actuallygreat.
I'm just regurgitating anepisode of Song Exploder.
So it's pretty much just likethat's his process.
You don't have to listen to thatwhole thing.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:05):
No, Weezer's the shit, man.
I mean, with the caveat of oldWeezer is the shit.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:10):
There is one good song at least on every Weezer
record.
So you can find solace in that.
Even the worst one, which Ithink is called like...
Weezer, Zeppelin, or Led Weezeror something.
It's a bad record, but HeavyMetal Girl, awesome song.
And it's kind of, what's cool isI think it actually is similar.

(01:02:32):
He's doing the same thing thatthese young European boys, these
adult European male 30-year-oldmen, the same thing they're
doing, he's doing.
He's referencing the 60s and the70s, but he's putting it through
his filter.
I guess I have a lot of respectfor that process of just taking
old and making it new.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:55):
What about who are some of your favorite local
bands and musicians in the Bay?

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:59):
Quite a political question.
Wait,

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:01):
why?
Stop Why?
Well,

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:04):
the favorite local band.
You don't want to leave

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:08):
people off or something?

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:09):
Well, I love everybody.
I think, you know, it's funnybecause I think that Mom Gene
gets a lot of hate.
I would just love to putrespect.
I work for them and am bestfriends with them forever.
So I think that they are justawesome.
And I have so much pride andrespect.
a good feeling about everythingthat we've done and so

(01:03:31):
accomplished, you know?
So I like respect on MomJune's.
But then I think my favoriteband in the bay yeah okay i
think i really like uh sourwidows i think that they're the
best hell yeah this is funnybecause it's not even like my
favorite it's like i thinkthey're the best band um yeah

(01:03:52):
they're just awesome the guitarsare crazy and the vocals are
amazing and the drums are sogood and the the bass like every
time i listen to the latestrecord i'm just like totally
taken aback Taking a bag like,oh damn, everyone should hear
this.
Shout out to Maya.
Yeah, Maya, Susanna, awesome.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:12):
They performed, I've seen them perform once live at
the Academy of Sciences.
Oh man, yeah, that would havebeen so good.
They were so good, dude.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:22):
Yeah, I think...
I think honestly, the last timeI've seen them play, I, I, I
recognize it as just great, youknow, they, they can do no
wrong, but I think, yeah, thefirst time I saw them play, it
was just so, it just blew mymind.
I was like, I've been doing thistype of music.

(01:04:44):
Like, I don't even know what tocall it.
Just like indie, indie rock, DIYkind of thing for like, at least
14 years now.
Like I booked shows in highschool that were similar genre
to this, you know?
And so I've seen a lot of peopledo it.
I think I have a nostalgia forit so that's definitely when I

(01:05:05):
see them play I'm thinking ohman this reminded me of like
this basement in fucking Floridaor whatever this weird band I
saw in Sweden or something andyeah I can just like pinpoint my
life by it's the soundtrack ofyour life man yeah and so they

(01:05:26):
listen to some of this they likesome of the same bands from that
era like Pile and their recordor label exploding and sound is
like a hub for all of that kindof music and so yeah it just
really struck me i didn't knowanybody was really making music
like that anymore to thatcaliber and so yeah they're just

(01:05:47):
they're totally the best shoutout sour widows man damn shout
out yeah sour widows and momjeans hell yeah i don't know
what the crossover is but if youlike both those bands we can be
friends

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:03):
All right, who's some of your favorite visual
artists?
I was just

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:06):
looking at this, like, Black Flag thing or
whatever.
I really like Ramon Pettibone.
He's great.
He's, like, the OG, in myopinion, like, graphic designer,
gone fine artist.
Yeah, I think they have a lotof...
Yeah.
Yeah, and you know what?
He was born in Tucson, Arizona,which is where I was born.
Oh, sick.

(01:06:27):
I'm fucking with that dudeheavy.
Tight.
I see my...
similar to his not like I reallypaid attention I guess to I
don't know the specifics of hiscareer so much but I do graphic
design for punk bands and havebeen in that scene for a decade

(01:06:48):
plus and I turn and I try tomake it more whatever, fine art,
and I have a deeper practicethat is more personal and less
commercialized, I guess.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:07):
I mean, I can see the relationship.
There's parallels for sure.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:09):
Yeah, and when I found out he was born in Tucson,
I was like, that's fuckingawesome.
That's my guy.
Yeah, that's my guy.
Yeah, I think that I relate moreto, like...
some painters like Matisse andlike Picasso I like those kinds

(01:07:33):
of like abstract like the moreabstract portions of their
careers that are simplifyingthings like Matisse the cutouts
overplayed I think butincredibly communicative and
simple yeah just wow that'sawesome um Picasso, he could

(01:07:54):
have been a little more simple,actually.
He got a little weird.
But yeah, I'd say Matisse andPettibone.
I have both their books on mycoffee table, so I think about
them often.
Favorite movies.
I historically really likeSpaceballs.
I feel like that's a perfectmovie.
I feel like movies back then,every single thing anyone says
is totally...

(01:08:16):
uh quotable and and written andsometimes you watch a movie now
they're just mumbling the wholetime and nothing iconic which
maybe actually does tie in likei do like the the quotable
morsel thing to happen theone-liners and yeah second
favorite and the same reasoningrationale is uh is it called

(01:08:41):
point break yeah yeah KeanuReeves

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:44):
and Patrick Swayze

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:45):
so good and I think that every single line totally
quotable totally perfect and I'mlike you could write a concept
album only using words from thisin order and it would be a
beautiful like it would bebeautiful yeah yeah poetic
awesome movies baseballs andpoint break i love

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:05):
that

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:05):
the

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:06):
yin and

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:06):
the yang yeah yeah

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:08):
um what about your favorite animated joint could be
a movie anime cartoon short film

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:13):
you know i think as a whole like i think adventure
time is totally my favoriteanimated series and it's the
same thing it's heartfeltquotable um i think that the art
style like isn't 100% my totalfavorite thing ever but it it
communicates the the feeling ofit so well like it's so goofy

(01:09:36):
and and yeah that's a greatgreat show and then I think
maybe like the flip side of thatcoin is uh I really like this
new Hayao Miyazaki um the boy inthe hair yeah I thought that
that was psychedelic and likescary I actually think a lot of

(01:09:58):
their movies are really scaryI'm not a big like horror or
scary movie person so that'swhen things are just freaking
out and like morphing andthere's like that's enough to be
scary to me but I think thatthat's kind of cool that they
take it to the that's the beautyof animation is that you can do

(01:10:22):
anything.
So they should be doing likemore crazy visual feats.
Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:30):
Yeah.
Miyazaki is a legend.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:32):
What about favorite video games?

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:35):
Yeah.
I kind of just been a Pokemonguy.
I like Tetris.
I love Tetris.
I think a game like that, or Ireally love word games.
Like I'll do the crosswordpuzzle.
I'm more of that kind of likesingle little, brain puzzle game
person yeah yeah what about whatgets you stoked lately just

(01:10:55):
friends and like my girlfriendand life and the bay like just
being here is so it's likewarmness embodied like you know
even on a cold or any day it'slike wow i feel so happy to be
here and yeah berkeley Berkeleygets me stoked.

(01:11:20):
Hell yeah.
What about your favorite localfood joint?
I want to say something likecurry and cool, but I think it's
actually going to...
I hope it's not out of touch,but I really like the standard
fare sandwich that they have onany given day.
It's just so delicious and itfeels healthy even though it's

(01:11:42):
just like butter.
But I like that you can get someorganic, nice, healthy food in
Berkeley.
There's a bunch of places likethat that I...
I feel like, yeah, living in LasVegas, there's nothing healthy
there.
Yeah, you don't get access tothat.

(01:12:03):
So, yeah, any place that kind ofembraces the Californianess of
it, you know.
Now I'm

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:12):
looking for some shots fired.
What's overrated?
I

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:17):
just hate when people complain.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:22):
so

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:23):
i think that complaining is overrated i'm
like the most uh like i braceand get through whatever
situation adversarial likebullshit thing um and so when
people complain about like likeoh this you know pizza the pizza
sauce is too saucy it's likewhat the fuck do you have to

(01:12:46):
deal with ever like that is soabsurd um in the band space like
people complain about everylittle thing like like I don't
know this is this might make meseem just like detached from it
but like even when peoplecomplain like oh the venue is
taking like a merch cut rightokay sure I agree with that

(01:13:07):
that's stupid duh but like Justdeal with it.
Like, and I'm not saying pay it.
I'm saying figure out how to getout of that and don't complain
about it.
Cause like at the end of theday, you're just dealing with
something that sucks and youshould have the like ability and

(01:13:28):
strength and confidence to dealwith whatever situation.
I don't want to read about it onthe internet.
I've dealt with all kinds ofcrap.
You don't see me going onlinecomplaining about it all the
time.
So complaining overrated.

UNKNOWN (01:13:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:40):
for sure.
And, and come with, come at mewith any complaint and I will
tell you what.
Yeah.
But then, then that'scomplaining about complaining.
So

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:53):
I love it.
No, that's so good.
Start a sentence by sayingPatrick Sean Gibson is and
finish it how you'd like.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:02):
Patrick Sean Gibson is late to recording the episode
Joel Cherry Tree podcast.
Oh my God, I got called out.
God damn it.
But it was all good.
I walked around the studio spaceand it was pretty cool.
Dude, I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
I had to.
That's good.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:22):
I love that though.
Okay, my dude, what's next?

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:26):
Yeah.
I mean, this year I'm not reallytouring or doing work on the
road, so it's a lot of travelingfor fun.
Yeah, I'm going to go to SouthBy in a couple days, so that's
kind of fun in Austin, Texas.
My friends are getting marriedthere also, not at South By, but

(01:14:47):
in Austin, so I'll go there.
I'm doing some ceramic collabwith my friend Chris, who's a
great potter, Chris LongPottery.
He's great.
We'll do some stuff together.
And then I go to– well, then Ido work a little bit.
I go to UK, Ireland with JustFriends, and we do a

(01:15:10):
two-and-a-half-week tour.
But a lot of it's just hangingout in Dublin and then hanging
out in Bristol.
That's going to be awesome.
And then I'm home for a coupleweeks.
I'm putting out some music.
singles and things for a fewmonths um and then i go to

(01:15:30):
europe for vacation with mygirlfriend that's awesome i'm
excited probably going to go toprimavera music festival some
friends are playing that um andda da da and then i think mom
jeans is playing warp tour sothat's kind of fun that's in the
summer we are so back yeah uhyou know every time we announce

(01:15:54):
a show or festival thing I lookto see if there's anything I
want to see and I think thatwe've just done so many similar
things to that Warped Tour stylethat at this point I've seen
every band there and I'm kind oflike I will be watching Mom
Jeans and I think on our dayLess Than Jake plays after us so

(01:16:20):
I'm going to watch Less ThanJake they're fun to watch But
also because I won't have to govery far from the stage.
And then at the end of the year,we just do some other traveling
festival dates.
But it's a very light year interms of touring and music work.

(01:16:41):
I probably will be drawing onInstagram the whole time
because...
That's fun.
And I'm open for client work.
Hell yeah, dude.
That's a whole year on aplatter.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:53):
All right, man.
One last thing.
Show the homies some love.
Let's get a list of some shoutouts.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:58):
Well, I would shout out Mae Powell.
She has a new song out that'sawesome.
I love that.
Yeah, Mild Universe is also...
Mae sings in that band, but SamJones is awesome.
Karina is awesome.
Sour Widows, yeah, I said theywere great.

(01:17:18):
I would say all of the MomJeans, Just Friends, Bart from
Mom Jeans has a band calledChain right now that's putting
out a record that's so awesome,like new metal, like deftones
kind of thing.
Yeah, I have music, JoelCherrytree, I will shout out
myself.

(01:17:39):
And yeah, that's kind of my...
close circle it's those people

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:45):
hell yeah

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:46):
yeah

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:47):
well thank you so much for coming to the bedroom
joel

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:50):
yeah thank you for having me

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:52):
it was fun

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:54):
what's up everybody how we living thanks for
listening to this episode it'snot over yet though i'm really
excited to share with you anexclusive early release off of
joel's upcoming album this songit's called your floor and it
kind of just brings a tear to myeye i'm not gonna lie i love it
i love this track it's a greatalbum can't wait for everyone to
hear it thank you joel forcoming on to the pod and go

(01:18:17):
support his music online you canfind him you got a computer use
your fingies all right y'allpeace out sauerkrauts so

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:07):
Fever dream, a fantasy, floating away.
Fever dream, a fantasy, floatingaway.
Hole

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:21):
in my heart, here is where I want to live with you.
We sit in your car, smoke in acar, send a gin haze in your
eyes.
We're blazing all night,

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:31):
burning inside.
We'll be right back.

UNKNOWN (01:20:04):
don't pull

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:12):
Goodbye.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:38):
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Patrick's Peppermint PattyPetunia Factory located in the
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