Panel Discussion: Land Sovereignty, One Health, and Microbiome Research

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Speaker 1 (02:34):
Get started here in just a minute, folks.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah. So it's about it's just about 08:00, so we're
just gonna

Speaker 3 (02:43):
let people filter in a little bit. Keep your hand on
your gun. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Gary and and that group, that would be fantastic.
We'd really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
So who else do we have here? Texas Slim. Welcome
to problematic policies,everybody. We're just getting
started here. Still getting afew folks up.
We were just listening to agringo like me, Ennio Morricone,
from the duel in Texas. Welistened to a lot of this

(06:16):
spaghetti western music fromback in those fifties and
sixties, cowboy movies and andstuff like that. So that's
that's where that comes from,and that's the spirit that we're
bringing to this part of theworld here.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
John Wayne is still my favorite actor, so I like to
watch all the western movies.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Absolutely. Have to wrestle you for, Clint Eastwood.
Clint Eastwood's my favorite.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yep. Yep. And he went out he had to go all the way out
to Italy to make a lot of thosemovies because people in The
States didn't wanna make them.Right? So that's where a lot of
those early early westerns camefrom.
And, you know, it feels likewe're in a bit of the same
moment here. Right?

Speaker 5 (07:07):
Cleef. What about Lee Van Cleef?

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Lee Van Cleef? Hundred acres ranch. Hundred
acres ranch. This is a cattlerancher, and he's got this giant
Bitcoin mining facility outthere. This guy is really on

Speaker 5 (07:24):
a a cattle rancher. I'm not a cattle rancher, but
these guys around me got, like,30,000 head running all around.
You know what I mean? They'regood people. I mean, I love
eating the hamburger.
Every I slap a side of the cage,and I'm like, oh, it's a lot of
hamburger in there. You know?

Speaker 1 (07:44):
So as you can see, we're a rowdy bunch here, but
we've got some esteemed doctorswith us tonight. We've got,
doctor Nas, doctor Lindley,doctor Griffiths, and soon to be
doctor Hazan. This will be, ofcourse, hosted by Brianna

(08:04):
Sogdahl, the senior writer andresearcher at the I'm Texas Slim
Foundation. And, before we getstarted here, folks, we're
gonna, just remind you guys acouple of times throughout this
series. We are in the middle oflaunching the new
IamTexasslim.orgfoundationwebsite.

(08:27):
It's a five zero one c three. Somany

Speaker 5 (08:30):
Amber is in it.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
So many Amber is there. We do everything we do
here who made that guy'sspeaker? Get get back there,
hundred acres. Everything we dohere, is is out of pure love,
passion, and the spirit ofservant leadership and

(08:51):
volunteerism. I came into thebeef initiative, as a volunteer.
Texas Slim, of course, startedthe beef initiative and tireless
tirelessly continues the beefinitiative. He came into this,
of course, as a volunteer.Brianna was a volunteer.
Everybody who's come into thishas volunteered and and just

(09:12):
through their proof of workcreated their brand and their
identity. Brianna's got hers.
She's the policy policy leader.Of course, Texas Slim. All the
ranchers have their own brands.And so what we're gonna do is
we're gonna brand the worldagain the way that we used to do
it. Right?
In a pure way, in a way that'scommunity based, in a way that's

(09:35):
decentralized, through andthrough. Right? From the soil to
the code of the websites. Sothat's what we're about, and,
thank you all so much for forbeing here with us. Ryan Cooper,
I see you down there.
Ryan Cooper is Missouri beefinitiative and the, Milkman's

(09:57):
Alliance raw milk. But, anyway,Brie or Texas Slim or or doctor
Kat, if you guys wanna or ordoctor Andrew.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah. I'll get us started. Thank you so much for
the great intro, June. I reallyappreciate you. And and June
Rasha June is our, amazing,digital he's the he's the brain
behind everything, digital, andwe're really grateful for all of
his graphic design and strategicwork.
He's just awesome. Thank you,June. So, yeah, we're gonna

(10:28):
launch. First first, I wanted totouch on a few issues, that
we've been addressing, withinour policy work, and that's the
that's the issue of land use. SoI just wanted to go through this
a little bit and and discusskind of what's going on in terms
of land use and water rightrestrictions across The United

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States and how that's impactingour herd health, as our herds
are being consolidated intolarger pardon me, into larger
and larger populations.
The same thing with humanity.So, I'll address it from the
human side and then I'll kick itover to the doctors because I
think this is an important pointto touch on, especially as we

(11:10):
start talking about, you know,protocols and policies for
things such as veterinary healthand then human health. And then,
we wanna we're gonna addresssome of the one health
initiative issues within thespace tonight, and some of the
policies that we're seeing onthe back end through, like, the
USDA and APHIS, for example,which is the animal, plant

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health inspection service, whichis soon to be APHIS 15. They're
they're intending to drop thepest portion and just have it be
a animal, pretty muchsurveillance tracking, tracing,
mechanism, for the for the USDAand the the UN One Health

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initiative. So, and then andthen, you know, sort of, in
addition to that, we'll addresssome of the h five n one stuff.
So people if, people have anyquestions, they're welcome to
pop up and and ask questions aswe kinda go along. And, we'll
make it like an open forum andalso really, educational. So

(12:15):
break it up a little bit. It'sso it's not too monotonous. But
so starting out, I just wantedto address very quickly the
concept of the federal plan forequitable long term recovery and
resilience.
We cover this in our policydocument called America the
Titanic. And we make thisanalogy because we have
effectively hit the iceberg andhow this disaster is managed

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will really determine the futureof our nation. And the disaster
aspect of this is the economicportion of what we're dealing
with. It's not just the factthat we have $8,280,000,000,000
in unfunded pension liabilities,the fact that Social Security is
nearing bankruptcy, or thatMedicaid will, you know,

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essentially be bankrupt, sendsignificant reforms. But just
the fact that, you know, we'refacing about a
$50,000,000,000,000 deficit, andwe don't have the GDP to even
pay, our interest payments atthis point.
We're barely scraping by on ourinterest payments. So there has
been this this new sort ofconcept that was implemented

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under the Biden administrationinitially through executive
orders, but, implementedessentially, by the whole of
government, and that's theentire administrative apparatus.
And it's this concept ofequitable long term recovery and
resilience, which is this sortof, overarching theme that

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involves, climate, climate,ideas, climate, climate
ideology, and then some othersort of arbitrary, metrics on,
things like equity, for example,and, and how that really boils
down. What it, what it reallymeans at the end of the day is a
loss of local control over landuse, zoning, future development,

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planning and water rights. Andso what we have seen roll out
over the last four years throughthis plan, has been implemented
through contractual obligationsthrough something called the
community benefit agreement.
And the subversion of localcontrol is the reason why we're
seeing, like in Western NorthCarolina, for example, where

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they have a statewide strategicbuyout plan. This is why we're
seeing things like people notbeing able to rebuild on their
own property. Similar with theCoastal Commission or LA County,
for example. We are seeingadministrative burden that are
preventing people fromrebuilding. At the same time,

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we're seeing a prioritization offunds in about well, it's about
it's less than 10% of The USland mass, but essentially what
it boils down to are theseconcepts of, resilient cities or
smart cities.
And and so there's this ideathat we can just relocate
Americans into these fifteenminute cities that's going to

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somehow be more resilient toclimate change, and we can just,
you know, stop farming on land.We can start farming vertically
and, and start using insectprotein. And I'm not making, I
mean, like, I couldn't make thisup if I tried. That's that's
frankly, that is, what what arewe seeing in these policy
documents. So there's an issuewith this, however, which is

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that anytime you start toconsolidate the population, just
as, consolidating our herds, forexample, in the highly
concentrated dairies or cattlefarming, CAFOs, confined animal
feeding operations, for example,we start to, see sometimes an
increase in illnesses, right,when you start to put,

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populations together.
So I was thinking maybe I couldkick it over to the doctors if
any of the doctors wanted totouch on this on the human
health side, and then we cankinda we can just kinda go from
there on the idea ofconsolidating populations and
how that, may impact, futurehealth outcomes. If that's, if

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any any of the doctors wannakinda touch on that.

Speaker 6 (16:28):
Brianna, yes. This is Merrill. Let me say that, what
happened is that over the last Idon't know, since since the,
Obama administration anyway, thewhole a a lot of new concepts
were introduced as beingimportant to the federal

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government. And, one of them wasbiosecurity, and another was
resilience. And these are wordsthat can be interpreted in many
ways.
And how I think they were usedis that some, you know, clever
lawyer figured out that theycould use this sort of positive

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terminology. We're gonna keepyou secure. You know, we're
going to make you be able tocome back from any emergency or
problem that arises. You cancome back stronger right
afterwards, and we're gonna dothe things to enable that to
happen. Well, of course, therereally isn't anything that can
give you biosecurity, especiallyif somebody wants to use

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biological weapons on you.
And this idea of resilience,nobody defines it. Just like
with one health, you can't get adefinition that makes any sense.
You know, how do you makeeverybody resilient? Well, I
would have thought it was itwould not be by blowing up dams
and getting rid of reservoirsand having fewer water supplies

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for cattle, for instance. But,anyway, using this kind of
terminology and the and all andadditional terminology about how
we need biodiversity, speciesare going extinct, and so we
have to provide them more wildland that that they can live on
because it's the, humansencroaching on their land that

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is leading to extinction, whichis probably true in some cases,
but maybe not all.
So we have to do things toenhance, you know, species that
are at risk or said to be atrisk. Anyway, with these
concepts in mind, the governmentthen rolled out policies. And
these policies, I don't think,had anything to do with

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resilience or even biosecurityor biodiversity, but were
intended to consolidate powerand to basically push small
farmers and small ranchers offthe land. And so we've seen a
variety of policies roll outover, say, the last ten years.

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And we've now seen in terms ofclimate change and improving the
ecosystems, we've seen the Bidenadministration spend billions of
dollars to obtain various typesof conservation easements on the
property of farmers andranchers, which could

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potentially, according toMargaret Byfield, who who was
pretty expert in this, expert inthis, could lead to them
actually losing their landbecause the the government or
whoever owns those conservationeasements could then tell them
how the land could be used andwhat they're not allowed to do
with the land.
And we're seeing, some of thishappen already in Europe more

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than in The United States. Soit's just sort of starting to
percolate through toeverybody's, mind now that
there's something going on wherethe government is doing
something to gain more controlof land, is designating more
land as national monuments or aconservation area in one way or

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another where over time and allof this stuff is done piece by
piece, bit by bit, so you don'treally see the whole picture
until, basically, the trap hasshut around you. So I think
that's what's happening, and I'mand I'm trying to give you a
bigger picture about whatBrianna was just talking about.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Thank you so much, Merrill. I appreciate that.
Yeah. And we're, you know, we'realready starting to see this.
Right?
Not only does governmentintervention in the marketplace
breed, consolidation andmonopolization. Right? But,
we're also starting to see theseissues within land use and these
sort of abstract concept ofresilience kind of playing out

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in policies that end up, beingless about resilience and more
about, arbitrary control over,sort of the rules of life, if
you will. In the state ofOregon, I say that because in
the state of Oregon, they areabout to spend, I think it's
$450,000,000 if I'm notmistaken, to eradicate one

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species of owl in order to saveanother. And and so we sort of
see this concept playing outacross the board, as opposed to
what we would considerregenerative or traditional
stewardship.
But I think, you know, in in atwhen we start talking about

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things like, you know, the onehealth initiative or this whole
concept of, tracking and tracingand surveilling and labeling
and, you know, just taggingevery aspect of our natural
world, I think it becomesproblematic for two reasons.
Right? One is that there's thethe obvious conflict of interest

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with the 2013 Supreme Court casein which nothing of nature can
be patented. So there's a realconflict there to begin sort of
tampering with nature so thatthe private sector can become,
owners, if you will. Right?
And then there's the otherconcept that whatever the
corporate world cannot, own,then the public sector will then

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manage. And, it it really doesit it's, not only a loss of
liberty, but it's a loss of our,ability to create a GDP at a
time when, you know, we're we'rewe are very quickly approaching
a $50,000,000,000,000 deficit.So, anyways, so I was thinking,
you know, if you guys wanted totouch on or open it up for kinda

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one health and maybe launchinginto some of the h five stuff
or, it however you guys wouldlike to proceed with this, next.
I'm I'm open to ideas on that.Kinda hoping for more of an open
discussion.
Honestly, at the end of this,I'd really like to get to a
point where we can talk aboutbetter better, best practices,

(23:06):
better protocols, and and maybea call to action for something
akin to, like, a greatBarrington declaration for how
to handle h five. I I think itwould be great if we could come
together between both the,veterinary and livestock world
and then the human health worldand come up with some ideas and

(23:27):
some some better guidanceconcepts to counter, certain
aspects of the one healthinitiative.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
Meryl, do you wanna start about One Health? Sure.

Speaker 6 (23:45):
Okay. What I, thought I might say first is that the
the resilience and thebiodiversity and the
conservation, is part of a,another concept that they don't
usually say out loud, butoccasionally they do, which is
that we have to value, nature,environments, ecosystems, and

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animals, and even plants,equally as we do humans. And
that is a concept embedded inone health also. So even if
humans have to, you know, have alow a lower income or a lower
standard of living or we have tobe moved into cities, that's

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okay because we need to give theanimals more space so that they
can have a better quality oflife. I mean, that's that's sort
of the concept or the the claimthat is made to justify things.
Now so One Health, if I can goback to the beginning, is is a
concept that was sort ofinvented by a veterinarian

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because they said, look. We wedeal with certain animal
diseases, and human doctors dealwith human diseases. And
sometimes, they spread betweenanimals and people, but we don't
talk to each other. We we don'treally work together to to
figure out how to deal best withthese diseases or or prevent
them. And so if we create thisconcept called one health to

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avoid siloing veterinarians anddoctors, and then the concept so
this was about twenty years ago.
The concept then was expandedand was taken up by United
Nations agencies. So the WorldHealth Organization joined with
the, Food and AgricultureAssociation. And, what was the

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other one? I don't know why I'mblanking on this. I should know
it very well.
And then later, they they pickeda fourth organization, the UN
environmental program, and, theycalled it the quadripartite. And
these organizations sort of ranwith One Health. So they created

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definitions for what One Healthis. They created something
called the One Health approach.And all these things have such
convoluted language explainingthem that nobody really
understands them, and there was61 published definitions for one
health.
But I think the basic idea I Ithink that the the rather, the

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concept behind it, the reasonwhy they've created One Health
and are trying and are pushingit out everywhere is so that,
the environment, so land, water,people, animals, and plants are
all under the jurisdiction ofOne Health, which will come
under the jurisdiction of theseUN agencies. And, so so, anyway,

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what's happened is The UnitedStates has spent a fortune, a
king's ransom, create buildingout this idea of one health,
telling all the federal agenciesthey need to embed it in their
programs. In fact, today, afederal initiative, was rolled
out for One Health. I spent anhour being very bored listening

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to the a woman, a veterinarianwho works for the CDC, Casey
Baravesh, talk about, the yearsthey've spent getting this
concept into the variousagencies and and whatnot. But
besides that, the federalgovernment has spent billions of
dollars creating One Healthprograms in universities around

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The United States, but alsoaround the world and building it
into health department.
So, basically, while the rest ofpublic health got starved over
the last fifteen, twenty years,One Health was where the money
is. So all these public healthprofessionals have been taught,
we have to do everything OneHealth, One Health, One Health.

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More in Europe, more in the restof the world. So if you're if
you wanna grant if you're ascientist in Brazil or, you
know, Romania and you want apublic health grant, you need to
make it sound like it hassomething to do with one health.
It it mixes up animals andhumans and the environment.
And if you do that, you're muchmore likely to get your grant.

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Okay? So, anyway, so now we havethis it's sort of like climate
change, you know, that peopledecided climate change was a
very good way to get, a lot ofpolicies, pushed forward that
they wouldn't be able to dootherwise. And and One Health is
the same thing. So it's a it's afalse concept.

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The, public health people thatare pushing this have never
actually been able to show thatit's of any use, that it it
hasn't, solved any problems fordiseases that transmit between
humans and animals. You know? Ithasn't really solved
environmental problems. Butthere's still lots of people who

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sit who, are basically beingforced financially to insist
that they are doing their workin a one health manner. They're
using the one health approach.
They another piece of this isliaison. So One Health is also
about people working together.So people working across

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countries, within a country,within different departments,
and they are building out anetwork of, basically, a control
network, an alternate form ofgovernance of the environment
and of medicine and of, youknow, animal health that, will,

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you know, they're trying tobuild a very strong framework of
how decisions will be madeoutside of the governance
structures we think of as makingdecisions. You know, the people
we voted for making decisions.So they're creating these other
alternate structures.

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Similarly, there are, newentities that may be several
counties wide or several stateswide that are also working and
getting federal funds to do thisto, fix certain environmental
problems. So that kind ofalternate governance system is

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already being set up across TheUnited States. I don't know if
that is is outside The US. Letme stop there and someone else
pick it up.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
I I just have a quick question for you, doctor Nass,
and, any of the other doctorswho wanna chime in. You know,
from my understanding, the firstvaccine that was ever created,
for example, was created from astrain of cowpox. Is that right?

Speaker 6 (30:58):
Well, perhaps. There it was before, I don't know,
Lady Montague, whoever it was,brought it back to England, and,
it was actually being used inThe Middle East. So it may have
been cowpox. But, yes, it wasfor smallpox as far as we know.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Okay. So so that kinda brings me to around to my
point, which and and I'm if I'mnot mistaken, I believe we still
use, like, a bovine serum in ourvaccines today. It it just makes
me wonder, you know, if animalscan also transmit, diseases,
right, can can they not alsohelp us to create immunity? I

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mean, isn't that doesn't thatseem like a logical sort of
question in all of this?

Speaker 6 (31:45):
Sure. And and in the pre antibiotic era, horse serum
would be injected into people.So you would take a little bit
of smallpox or something else,anthrax, for example, inject it
into a horse, maybe severaltimes, small doses. They would
the horse would make antibodies.You would draw the blood.
And if a person was dying fromanthrax, you would give them

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that that blood, thoseantibodies, back in the eighteen
hundreds and early nineteenhundreds. So, yes, today, we
could potentially study inanimals what are the best
antibodies, what are the best, tcells. You know? We could we
could learn a lot by allowinganimals to develop immunity and

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studying them, but instead, ofcourse, we're trying to kill off
the chicken so we don't have anyimmune chickens. But because
we've already spent a a billionand a half dollars paying off
farmers for 1.3 sorry, a30,000,000 chickens and turkeys
and geese and ducks that havebeen culled in The United States
since 2022.

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Government doesn't wanna spendthat money culling the cows. So
they had a they weren'texpecting this to hit cows. So
they had to come up with adifferent response. And it turns
out, as best we know, becausethey're keeping the information
very quiet, but as best we know,the cows are some of the cows
get sick for a week or two, andthen they get better. It sounds

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like most of them go back toproducing the same amount of
milk, but some of them do not.
Some of them produce less milk.And, maybe a couple percent are
being cold because they're nolonger able to produce milk at
the rate they need to. It hasn'tbeen a problem in in the beef
cows. Seems to that the virus,for some reason particularly

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likes the udder, and soconcentrations of virus in the
milk can be very, very high. Themedia consistently claim that,
cow cats sorry.
Cats are at risk. If cats drinkthis raw milk or eat, cat food
that is raw that may have thevirus in it, they may die. Some

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veterinarians are warning peopleto keep their cats as indoor
cats because, god knows, theymight catch something from a
wild bird, you know, wild birdpoop outside. We don't know how
many cats have died. It doesn'tseem to be a problem for dogs,
and it's really not much of aproblem for humans.
And we still don't have a singleperson who's gotten sick from

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drinking raw milk even though weknow that it has been you know,
seventy five percent of theherds in California have had
bird flu in the herd and seventypercent in Colorado. So we know
that there's been a lot of milkthat has been contaminated, that
has gotten out there to theconsumer. Now the pasteurized

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milk, yes, that that will killthe virus. The raw milk, that's
not gonna kill the virus. Youcan probably drink this virus.
In most cases, it's gonna beokay, possibly because the cows
are also producing antibodies.There or there are other
substances in the raw milk thatare enabling us to drink it, you

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know, to and not get sick. Butin any event, it's not a
problem, and yet the media aretrying to make it into a
problem. And that's veryworrying because we don't know
what's coming down the pike.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Thank you so much for that. Slim, I saw you had your
hand up, and then I was gonnaask if, doctor Sabine could,
tell us about her research, andlet's talk about gut health a
little bit. Let's bring thataspect into this conversation.
And we have Gary here. Gary isalso, very well versed in the,
gut microbiome, conversation.

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So, Slum, why don't you goahead, and then we'll kick it
over to doctor Sabine andintroduce her.

Speaker 7 (35:51):
Yeah. Thanks, Brianna. I and I hope everybody
can hear me. I'm out on the dirtroads with Texas tonight talking
to ranchers. So, thank you for,being patient with me earlier.
One thing I wanted to bring up,doctor Nas said, you know, this
one one health initiative, it'sa global thing, and you know,
I've traveled around the world ayear one and a half times over

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the last two two and a halfyears. And you see this. You see
it in the marketing of things.You see it in Asia. You see it
in Australia.
And so, you know, that's why welook at this as we say build out
locally and broadcast globallybecause it is a global movement.
It is a global shift. And, youknow, there's asset reallocation
coming to America. They've builta lot of ranches and a lot of

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commodity cattle. You know,innovation has gone on without
anybody understanding that inThe United States and how much
beef we ship overseas and howmuch beef we ship, you know, to
into The United States is is aform of national security issues
at this time.
And so, you know, listen to the,you know, the these doctors and

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tied into human health, animalhealth, soul health, water table
health, land ownership health.And let's put it all together in
a big narrative that people can,you know, really understand. And
the policy work and everythingthat Brianna does is key on a
federal level. We have, youknow, Justin Trammell of Farmer
Ranch and Freedom Allowance ofPanhandle Meats in Canyon,

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Texas, and he's a board ofdirectors for that, association.
And it is volunteers, but theyhave a superb, basically,
interaction with legislation inthe state of Texas, and, you
know, they have bets.
And so, you know, this is a goodtalking point. The foundation
was basically dreamt up and,finalized with my relationship

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with Brianna. And it's for thisbecause a lot of foundations, a
lot of nonprofits are using thisone health initiative across the
planet, and it's a lot of debt.It's a lot of, fake printed
money. And, you know, look atasset reallocation when we're
talking about everything, andlook at land ownership to The
United States.
And if we lose our land, then welose access to a lot of health,

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a lot of our cultural heritage,and a lot of, biology that
basically got us here in thefirst place. So I appreciate
y'all. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah. Thank you so much, Slim. Doctor Hazan, I I'm
really I'm really grateful thatyou could, join us this evening.
Excuse me. Hold on.
Sorry. I had a tickle in mythroat. Welcome to the stage. So
glad that you're here. I amreally excited to, you know,

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share with the audience youryour research.
And, if you wanted to, justkinda give an intro and and talk
to us about the, the microbiomeand what you guys are seeing on
the research side, that would beamazing.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Well, I think we're seeing a lot. You know, for
those of you who don't know me,I have a genetic sequencing lab
that's spearheading 57 clinicaltrials on the microbiome and
disease. So we've beenaccumulating stool samples from
all over, from Zimbabwe, fromChina, from Italy, from America
before COVID, during COVID, youknow, even now, you know, still

(39:14):
going. And, basically, you know,we're kind of, like, trying to
see map out the microbiome withthe diseases to try to see,
well, what does the microbiomelook like in Parkinson's, in
Alzheimer's, in autism,etcetera, and kind of figure out
this signature microbiome. Youknow, my background is

(39:34):
gastroenterology.
I've been doing fecal transplantas my subspecialty where I take
stools from a healthy donor andput it in an unhealthy that has
a condition called C. Diff. C.Diff, you know, is really what
got us to look at the microbiomebecause it when we started
improving patients with C. Diff,we started seeing other things

(39:55):
improve, and really n of one, nof two, really nothing that was
we could hang our hats on, butenough to kinda say, hey.
There's something going on inthe microbiome. My own case of
Alzheimer's improved with fecaltransplant kinda woke me up to,
wait a minute. Maybe Alzheimer'sis a microbiome alteration. And

(40:16):
so I kind of went this route.Prior to that, I was doing,
clinical trials for pharma anddoing GI as a you know, it it it
was kind of, you know, a seriesof events where I was doing
clinical trials on the poop pilland realizing, wait.
We're in the poop business inpharma, and we have no idea what

(40:38):
the hell we're doing and whyeven fecal material works or
helps in C. Diff. So it was kindof the beginning. What was
interesting is what I realizedfor C. Diff is that a lot of
people have C.
Diff in their guts that do nothave diarrhea, that are not
presenting with problems of C.Diff. And so, essentially, from

(41:02):
that, you know, trying tocompare, well, what's different
between patients that have cdiff and patients that have c
diff in their guts and itdoesn't affect them, and people
that have c diff that havediarrhea and are dying. And one
of the big finding is really thediversity. So the loss of

(41:23):
diversity.
When you start looking atdiversity of microbes in
someone's gut as we get older.Obviously, you know, children is
a different story. But as we getolder, diversity really
represents our exposure tomicrobes, our ability to go to
China and eat a hamburger inChina and not get completely

(41:45):
sick because we're accumulatingsome microbes from China and
then going to Japan and gettingsome microbes from Japan, you
know, and developing little bylittle that resilience, that
overaccumulation of microbes inour guts that essentially
recognizes other microbes. Youknow, immunity starts in the
gut, and immunity starts byreally recognizing having

(42:09):
microbes in us that recognizeother microbes and say, hey. You
know what?
I don't need to kill the personbecause I recognize that
microbe. Right? So when youcompare the microbiome and the
diversity between, you know,Zimbabwe and the Amazon Jungle
and the Amish to a New Yorker tosomeone that stays in a house

(42:32):
that's completely sterile livingin a sterile environment. It's a
completely different microbiome.And the the diversity is
completely different betweensomeone that has been in the
forest of the Amazon Jungleexposed to, you know, billions
and trillions of microbes tosomeone that's been staying in

(42:54):
their homes, you know, for andthen go tries to go outside.
And that's what we saw duringthe pandemic. Right? And the
pandemic was really beautiful atwaking us up to the need of a
solid microbiome to surviveCOVID, you know, that resilience
to develop that resilience.Right? And so the problem is we

(43:15):
were following a science, thatis kind of, in my opinion, a
little bit outdated, where wewere we're all about
sterilizing.
You know? Well, let's clean upthe counters. Let's put alcohol.
Let's kill, kill, kill. Let'sgive antibiotics for viruses and
and all sorts of things.
And what we do when we do thatis we sterilize. We kill

(43:39):
microbes, and we kill maybe thebad microbes, but we also kill
the good microbes that arehelping us survive. So when you
have a person that's basicallyat home in a sterile
environment, and then all of asudden you put them in the
jungle of, you know, Africa oryou put them in the Amazon
jungle, essentially, they're notgonna necessarily do very well

(44:03):
because it's a new environment.They they don't recognize these
microbes. So and and I'll giveyou a perfect example.
You know, I'm I was born inMorocco, and I came to to Canada
then to America, and I probablyhad a very diverse microbiome,
right, that could accommodate tothe environment of Morocco.

(44:24):
Right? I come to America, and,of course, you know, we're over
sterilizing ourselves. And, youknow, I've lost a bunch of
microbes. And, of course, youknow, the idea of antibiotics
for every little thing and notwanting to suffer and toughen it
up, you become, you know, moresterile.
And and when I went back toMorocco as an older person doing

(44:45):
microbiome analysis, I realizedI I ended up getting E. Coli
that was toxic. And I realizedit's probably because I probably
had it as a kid, but I lost it.And somehow, here we are. I I
don't recognize it anymore, andit's affecting me.
So I have to do something to toto suppress that e coli,

(45:07):
essentially. So I think we'vegone too far in oversterilizing.
And I think in over sterilizing,we are killing our diversity. We
are losing microbes. Microbesthat are really important in
absorbing sugar, microbes thatare really important in
absorbing calcium, microbes thatare really important in in

(45:31):
absorbing vitamin b, vitamin k.
So if you don't have thosemicrobes, how are you gonna
absorb sugar? So just to giveyou an example of why this is
alarming to me and you all,those of you who follow me,
you're all of you you know me.I'm all about the save the BIF,
you know, save the BIF, youknow, motto everywhere. I'm all
about hashtag save the BIF. BIFis for bifidobacteria.

(45:54):
It's a crucial microbe that weneed, you know, to help us with
absorption of sugar. And and forimmunity, it's present in
babies. It disappears as we getolder. Our lab showed that it
was lost in Alzheimer's, Lymedisease, Crohn's disease,
invasive cancer, long haulers.So when you're losing these

(46:16):
bifidobacterium microbes, youknow, you could potentially
start a disease and and notabsorb sugar, not get, you know,
microbes into your not get yourKrebs cycle working, not get
your mitochondria working.
So in the last month ofanalyzing stool samples at
Progena Biome, we found lessthan five percent of people have

(46:40):
bifidobacteria, and less thanone percent have lactobacillus
or lactococci. So it's reallyyou know, when you see these
microbes disappearing, you haveto, like, you know, sign sound
the alarm and say, wait aminute. Something's going on.
Stop what we're doing. Also,when you compare Africa to

(47:00):
America, and you see Africa is,like, nine, ten phylum.
Phylum are groups of microbesthat share one thing in common.
And you look at a person that'sin a sterile environment in Palm
Springs or or, you know, NewYork or wherever, and you
realize that they have two theyhave three phylum. So that right

(47:22):
there, the loss of all thosemicrobes is alarming to me. Not
only that, but we're coming outwith some data showing the
before and after before COVIDand after COVID, the lost
microbes that we've lost fromCOVID, that we've lost from what
we've done with COVID, theresponse we've done with COVID

(47:43):
has really destroyed themicrobiome. And I really feel
bad for the kids and the futurebecause we have destroyed the
microbiome of humanity.
So now we're hitting the cows.Now, you know, I know there's
people that are vegan, peoplethat are vegetarian, and people
that are carnivores. And it'sokay because we all have a
different temperament. We allhave a different microbiome.

(48:06):
Some of us need the meat tosurvive.
We come from generations andgenerations of family members
that ate meat. Others need thevegetables. They come from
families, generations ofgenerations that ate vegetables.
It's fine. So it's not a onediet for all.
But here's the problem. When youstart manipulating the cows, the

(48:27):
microbiome of the cows, when youstart manipulating the
microbiome of the chickens, youstart creating disease. I will
take you back to ten years ago.I think it was, like, seven to
ten years ago where the FDArealized that we were giving too
many antibiotics to the cows.And, unfortunately, that was
going into the humans as havingc diff.

(48:51):
So here you are eating ahamburger that was given a ton
of antibiotics. Technically,that hamburger is gonna affect
your microbiome. And that's thepossibility for increased C.
Diff at the time. Well, the FDArealized that that was a
problem, and they stopped thatmotion.

(49:11):
We need to stop playing with ouranimals. We need to stop playing
with the Earth. We need to stopputting pesticides on the grass
because those cows are eatingit. We need to understand why
are some cows, you know,catching viruses and and and or
chickens catching viruses anddying and some are not. Maybe

(49:33):
and we have the technology nowto understand all that, to see
the microbiome of the cows, tosee the microbiome of the
chickens, to understand why aresome more resilient than others,
and what can we do to make theweak cows be stronger.
These are the animal studies weshould be doing with the

(49:55):
ranchers. That's why I steppedinto this to basically say, hey.
These are my animal studies. Youknow? Maybe we take the
microbiome of the resilient cowsand we store that and maybe
utilize that in the future forthe weak cows so we don't have
to destroy a whole pasture ofcows and and and sheep and goats
and whatever else they wannakill.

(50:16):
You know? And and by the way,where's the animal protective,
you know, societies in all this?You know? They're so fast at
killing animals that they thinkare gonna infect them when
that's not even the case. Thatthose animals would have been
fine.
Anyways, that's all I have tosay. You know, I I think we need
to we have the technology rightnow with the raw milk even to

(50:39):
know if the raw milk iscontaminated with microbes. It's
not expensive. It's cheap. Youcould test it within twenty four
hours and know that your rawmilk has no bacteria, no
viruses, no bacteria, noviruses, no DNA, and basically
say, you know what?
I can drink it. It's fine. It'snot gonna kill me.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
And so the

Speaker 3 (51:01):
farmers, by the way, know how to do it well to get
the raw milk properly, and weneed that raw milk, by the way,
for health.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Yeah. Thank you so much. Hey, Jason. How's it
going? Welcome to the stage.
Glad you're here. Come on up.

Speaker 5 (51:19):
Yeah. Thank you so much. We're in Denver, the
National Western Stock Show forall of the Colorado Angus
Association events. So it's,great to be here in Denver,
staying at my daughter's house.So I just wanted to speak, to
what the doc was talking aboutas far as exposure and doing it

(51:39):
right.
We haven't been vaccinating ourcattle using any pharmaceuticals
for, this is the fourth yearnow. And we have had less sick
calves, less sick cattle than weever did when we were actually
using pharmaceuticals on ourherd. And you know, because we

(52:01):
manage so intensely, both in ourintensive rotational grazing,
but also in keeping the cows whoperform well in our environment
and the calves that perform wellin our environment, just through
natural selection, they continueto get stronger and stronger,
better and better, and it's alsovery evident in the quality of

(52:23):
meat that we produce as far asmarbling, back fat, and just
overall easy doing cattle. Andand that's because because we go
back to doing it the way that mygrandfather and great
grandfather did it beforepharmaceuticals, before
synthetic fertilizer, when youjust had to pay attention to
what you were doing. You know,we weren't looking for animal

(52:44):
husbandry in a bottle.
We weren't looking for apharmaceutical to treat our
poor, animal husbandrypractices. We actually had to
take care of animals the waythat they were meant to be taken
care of. Otherwise, we wouldlose the farm. And, we've gotten
so far away from that becauseit's just too much work. It's

(53:06):
easier to just give everything ashot.
It's it's easier to feedeverything in a pen where
they're up to their bellies inmanure and urine. There's just
so much to it that if youactually paid attention, you
know, I I coined the phraseobservational science because I
don't necessarily need a a liverbiopsy. I don't necessarily need

(53:28):
a a blood panel. I don'tnecessarily need testing to see
if I'm going in the rightdirection or the wrong
direction. And and the morepeople that just pay attention
to that and are willing to to tolead by example, the easier it
gets for everyone.
So I just wanted to jump in andreally reinforce what the doctor
was saying because it's so true.I mean, the more exposure we

(53:51):
get, the better antifragility. Imean, kids that have cats and
dogs and and bottle feed calvesand spend time in the fields and
the barns and the manure justdon't get sick like the kids
that don't have that exposure,and it's the same thing with our
livestock. So I just wanted tojump on real quick. Thanks
everybody for for tuning in.

(54:11):
You know, we're we're doing bigthings here at the beef
initiative and Slim and the andthe whole leadership team have
just really been a pleasure towork with. So I just wanna jump
in. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Thanks, Jason. Hey, Gary. Welcome to the stage.
Happy to have you here, and thendoctor Angelo will come will
come right to you.

Speaker 8 (54:32):
Alright.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
Yeah. Gary, go ahead. Go ahead.

Speaker 8 (54:39):
Oh, okay. This question for doctor Sabine. I
was gonna ask ask her if youwould walk us through what
happens once we lose ourbifidobacteria. The the gradual,
dysbiosis that occurs and youyou start losing other other,

(55:01):
bacterial, species as well andyou, you know, leads into
certain things like, leaky gutand, maybe MCAS?

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Yeah. So, actually, loss of bifidobacteria in my
opinion and, by the way, this isgoing off my research that I've
been doing. The microbiomeresearch is very new. It's at
the beginning. It's in itsinfancy.
That's why, you know, I wrotethe book, let's talk s h dot t,
because I could be full of it orI could know it. I think I know

(55:35):
it, but, you know, this is whatwe're seeing. What I'm seeing is
it starts with a loss ofbifidobacteria. It starts with
loss of bifidobacteria first,and then the other microbes kind
of and then other microbes comein because of this this good
microbe that was supposed to bethere to support immunity. It's
disappeared.
So now other microbes are comingin. Other viruses are coming in.

(55:58):
And those viruses, thosemicrobes create more damages.
You know? The immunity is in thegut because it's really a battle
between the good bugs and thebad bugs.
And sometimes, the bad bugs areactually good guys, and
sometimes the good bugs becomebad bugs. You know? So it's very
difficult to kind of see exactlywhat's going on at this point,

(56:24):
because, you know, we have we westill it's still early in the
research. But I can say I Iwould say that looking at
diseases, looking at autism,noticing that lassa bifida
bacteria is present in autism inmajority of kids. Not every kid,
obviously.
Some kids with autism have abrain primary problem. Some kids

(56:47):
have the connection between thebrain and the and the gut might
be the problem. Some kids mayhave a genetic, you know, marker
for autism, but some kids we'renoticing have a leaky gut and a
dysbiosis. And majority of thosekids have loss of bifidobacteria
at the beginning. We also noticeit when we do fecal transplant,

(57:09):
and I have an n of one, butdoctor Adams has a lot more
cases of kids with fecaltransplant than he did, fecal
transplant, and he used a aspecific donor.
And what he noticed is when hetransplanted a microbiome that
the bifidobacteria startedreaccumulating after transplant,
and the microbiome startedchanging. You know? The kid went

(57:31):
from a loss of diversity to agood diversity matching the
donor, a process we callengraftments. So, yeah, the the
killing of the bifidobacteriabifidobacteria, in my opinion,
is very fragile. There's a lotof things that kill it.
It's not as easy as taking aprobiotic. No. Because,
unfortunately, that probioticmay not even have

(57:53):
bifidobacteria. 16 17 probioticson the market do not have
bifidobacteria on them. Thebifidobacteria may be killed in
the stomach.
It may get caught in the smallbowel and and and open up there
rather than going into thecolon. And then the other thing
is what we've noticed is a lotof them do not even engraft. In

(58:13):
other words, you keep takingthese bifidobacteria, but then
somewhere along the line in thecolon, they become dead, and
they're kinda useless becausethey're not implanting. They're
not engrafting. So it's not easyto regrow what you've lost.
I like to give the comparison ofa garden. And, basically, if

(58:33):
you've got all these fruits thatare growing beautifully and then
all of a sudden you you pourgasoline on your fruits and
vegetables, well, you're gonnaburn the whole garden. You know?
It's gonna be very difficult toregrow that garden without the
seeds of the fruit trees. Youknow?
And as we're going through firesin California, I can tell you,
you know, you look at all thatland that's all burned down. You

(58:56):
know? You need to regrow. Youneed to rebuild. It's the same
thing in the microbiome space.
You've killed your wholemicrobiome. You need to rebuild.
And here's the problem, becausepeople will say, well, the easy
solution is fecal transplant.No. It's not an easy solution
because, unfortunately, there'sa lack of donors out there that
are good, that we feel, youknow, qualify.

(59:19):
And, again, this is thebeginning of research because
here's the thing. You may swap amicrobiome of a person that's
bipolar for, you know, for CDIF,for example. Right? So we're we
don't know yet, you know, whatdoes a microbiome of of bipolar
disorder look like? What does amicrobiome of, you know, really

(59:43):
look like of Alzheimer's?
I mean, we have some ideas ofProgenobion, but we we can't
just come out and say, okay.Well, this is you're at risk for
Parkinson's because we noticedall these microbes in your gut.
As we see more patients, as wesee more the data becomes more
and more important to look at,and then we could say, oh, you

(01:00:04):
know what? You wanna have a goodmicrobiome to lose weight
because we believe that obesityis probably a microbiome
dysbiosis. Well, here's yourdonor, but here's the problem.
Your donor may have a, b, c,then you're making an informed
consent. So this is thebeginning of research, and this

(01:00:24):
is why I'm here to stop thekilling. Right? Because don't
come to me asking me. Andbelieve me, I have a lot of
affluent patients that come tome every day wanting fecal
transplant, willing to paymillions of dollars for it, and
I tell them the same thing Itell everyone.
We're not there yet. I don'twanna make your condition worse

(01:00:46):
until we do more research. Ofcourse, if you're so
debilitated, you're dying. Youknow? Yes.
You're entitled to tryeverything in my opinion, but,
unfortunately, fecal transplantis with the FDA at this point.
We have to go through the FDAfor every case that's non c
diff. So to go back to yourquestion, yeah, there's a loss

(01:01:07):
of diversity that we're seeing.There's a loss of bifidobacteria
that we're seeing. And I thinkit all has to do with what we're
doing to the soil and what we'redoing to these animals.
And I will tell you that duringthe pandemic, the people that
survived COVID and didn't haveCOVID as much as the rest of the
world were the farmers. Theyknew how in fact, I spoke at a

(01:01:28):
farm in Virginia, and thefarmers laughed at me and said,
COVID doesn't exist. You'remaking it up, doctor Haysen. You
didn't find COVID in the stools.You're making it up.
And here's the thing. I said tothem, I said, I I don't
understand. You guys haven'tbeen affected by COVID? They're
like, no. You're lying.
So you know what? That's that'smy number one thing that I look

(01:01:52):
at. And and I tested a lot ofthe farmers, by the way.
Tremendous amount of diversity.I had a farmer.
There's a video, the farmer anddoctor Hazen on YouTube. They
tried to put it down, and thenwe fought, and then they put it
back up. I think it's back upagain. But, basically, the this
farmer was exposed to his wife,who's a teacher, had COVID. He's

(01:02:13):
he smeared her saliva all overhis face.
He kissed her, slept in the samebed, did everything. He never
got COVID. I tested hismicrobiome. He had a lot more
diversity than she did.Remember, she's a teacher.
She's in this classroom. She'snot outdoors. He's outdoors
shoveling the poop and playingwith the animals, and he's got a
ton of diversity. And that'swhat survived him. To this day,

(01:02:35):
he doesn't have COVID, by theway, this farmer.
He's my best donor. Anyways

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
I've never had COVID either.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Okay. But the way. Anybody that has never had
COVID, you need to PM me becausewe're taking the names. And when
we have the funds, we're gonnabe starting to test you guys
because your stools might beimportant in helping other
people because, you know, it's aresilient microbiome that we're
looking for.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Interesting. Well, I will I will definitely stay in
touch with you on that one.Yeah. I never had COVID. I
thought that was reallyinteresting.
Thank you so much for that, andgreat question, Gary. Thank you
so much. Doctor Angela, thankyou for for being here. Welcome,
and, I can't wait to hear fromyou.

Speaker 9 (01:03:20):
Hey. Thanks so much for having me, guys. And, I run
a small clinical practice, andfrom a holistic perspective,
functional medicine, rootdigging in for root cause, I've
been dealing with GI and immuneissues for the past seventeen
years. And one of the thingsdoctor Hazen just mentioned

(01:03:41):
about the farmers not gettingCOVID, unfortunately, they do
get Parkinson's at a higherrate. So that is something to
watch for.
And, you know, we believe that'stied to specifically the,
chemicals and things that theyget exposed to. But towards that
end, one of the things that I'vebeen watching, with patients

(01:04:02):
over the past fifteen years ishow glyphosate does affect their
diversity of the gut flora. And,you know, doctor Hazen also
mentioned, sanitaryenvironments. I actually had a
young boy that had a prettysignificant inflammatory, issue

(01:04:22):
going on in his gut in, Januaryof twenty twenty, so much so
with blood in his stools andeverything else. I told mom we
had ten weeks.
And if we didn't seeimprovements, that we were gonna
be referring him for, acolonoscopy and some other
things. It was it was prettysignificant. And then, of
course, we all got locked down.But mom was super good about

(01:04:45):
keeping him up on his program,doing everything, and still
getting their sample back. Itwas twelve weeks instead of ten
weeks, and she was superapologetic.
But, hey, we were in the middleof COVID. And I got a sample,
and, thankfully, all the,infection issues, blood issues,
all of that was cleared up.However, his commensal flora was

(01:05:06):
completely devoid, like,absolutely not there. And it had
been in the first sample. So Iwas like, hey.
Has he been on some antibioticsover the last few weeks? Nope.
Has he been sick in the last fewweeks? Nope. And I looked to
them because we were on a Zoomcall in the middle of COVID.

(01:05:29):
And I said, hey. Do you have alittle bit of an OCD issue with
hand sanitizer? And he kind oflooked down, and he looked back
up, and he nodded his head, andI looked at mom. She goes, no
way. And I said, yes.
Way. The hand sanitizer bothgets absorbed through the skin

(01:05:50):
as well as especially children.They're eating with their hands
all day. Right? They're gonnaeat a sandwich or eat their
chips or whatever, and theirfingers go into their mouth or
their fingers touch their food.
And he was using it multipletimes throughout the day even
even being at home because theywere locked down with with the,
initial lockdown. So we saw amassive issue with the flora in

(01:06:15):
the gut, specifically thecommensal flora that we want to
be there, missing. And secondly,when we talk about having
trouble repopulating the flora,it can be a huge issue because
for decades, many haveconsidered organs in the human
body optional. When they getinflamed, ah, just take them

(01:06:35):
out. Well, the appendix is oneof those, and it's called like,
basically, call it, like, theancient storehouse of the, of
your healthy flora so that ifyou were to get exposed to a
stomach flu or something and itwiped out your gut flora, with
the right repopulation efforts,your appendix helps restore your

(01:06:56):
gut flora.
So it's pretty, important andsad because many people have had
it removed. When we talk aboutissues with the gut, we're
talking about literallyautoimmune, Parkinson's, h
pylori's had become super commonand can be very bacterial
resistant. But, again, it can besomething rebalanced back. I'm

(01:07:18):
one of those practitioners evenwith diagnosis of SIBO and h
pylori and other. In seventeenyears, we've never done kill,
kill, kill protocols.
It's always been rebalancing thegood flora, the healthy, the the
commensal flora, as well asgetting the, bacterial or the

(01:07:38):
more harmful, flora down intheir population. And lastly,
when we watched COVID comethrough, and, again, that was
either COVID infections in 2020or then the vaccinations that
started in late twenty twentyand early twenty twenty one,
what we saw was a massive uptickin endotoxemia or inflammatory

(01:07:58):
issues of the gut lining andmassive issues with decreases in
bile acids. And I've onlyrecently learned that bile acids
are actually a natural human wayof breaking down prions or
amyloids, which that's exactlywhat the spike protein was in

(01:08:20):
the human body. It was a prionor an amyloid. So our body was
using up our bile acids.
And when we have low bile acids,it leads to massive dysbiosis.
So that's one of the things thatI've been working on in the last
two years with patients isrebalancing bile acids and,
helping get their gut flora backin balance, especially with

(01:08:43):
folks who've been vaccinatedbecause their body is still
making spike on a regular basis.So I'll leave it there. Thanks,
Bree.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Wow. That's incredible. I might need to call
you, to talk to you about myhusband. He's been having some
some tummy issues lately, but,that's incredible. Thank you for
that information.
Andrea, thank you so much forbeing here. I'm so glad that
you're here, and then Pat willcome to you and Gary next.
Thanks, Andrea. Go ahead.

Speaker 10 (01:09:16):
Oh, thank you, Bree. Thank everybody at the beef
initiative. Everybody that's onthe space, great people. You
should be following them. Ifyou're not, I have a question
for doctor Hazen here as far asthe microbiome.
I was born with immune disdeficiencies when it comes to my
gut. And you you made a commentin regards to the microbiome has

(01:09:40):
not been studied. I don'tunderstand why it hasn't been
studied because I've known aboutreplenishing, which I'm doing
right now, by the way, mymicrobiome. It's difficult for
me because certain of the reallygood foods that you can't you
should eat to replenish it, Ican't. But I make a point to do

(01:10:03):
so, and I noticed ever since andthis was years ago that I
started studying the microbiome.
So the the information was outthere a long time ago, so it
really perplexes me as to whythis particular medical area has
not been studied further.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
So when you say the the data's been there a long
time ago, what are you talkingabout? Which data?

Speaker 10 (01:10:30):
No. No. No. I don't wanna say data. I I didn't say
data.
Just in general, and I don'tknow

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
how So you had so everybody has a gut feeling,
right, that the microbiome.Everybody that treats and
practices the art of medicineknows to be that everything
begins in the gut. Those of youthat are awake and alert, you
know that everything begins withnutrition. You followed
Hippocrates. And that said,everything begins in the gut,

(01:11:00):
and therefore, you're going inthat path.
Right? And you're going in thepath of the Terrain Health, and
that's how you're gone. However,when we talk about science, when
we talk about where we are inthe microbiome space, we need
real data. In other words, weneed to say, okay. Well, when
you talk about loss of immunity,what are you talking about?

(01:11:25):
It's not until recently that westarted really seeing the loss
of bifidobacteria. In fact, onwe our lab is the one that
showed loss of bifidobacteria inCOVID, in severe COVID patients
versus high risk exposed. Nowthat technology is done by whole
genome sequencing. That's atechnology that just came out

(01:11:47):
about four, five years ago.Okay?
We did not have the the ability.In the olden days, when we
studied microbes, we would docultures. Okay? Cultures, you
miss a lot of microbes. When youlook at all the genetic
sequencing tests out there,right, and they've been around
for a bit now, like seven, eightyears, there's a lot of microbes

(01:12:10):
that they discover.
But here's the thing. Do youknow what those microbes do?
When you look at a stool sampleand you see allistipedes fine
goldi, what is that? Is that agood bug? Is that a bad gut bug?
Is that a good bug for you? Isthat a bad bug for the guy next
door? We don't know. We do nothave the technology. We do not

(01:12:31):
have the clinical data yet tosay.
So when I say the microbiomeresearch is at its infancy,
that's what I'm talking about.I'm talking about we are seeing
something. We we knew, you know,those of us who believe in
microbiome dysbiosis, leaky gut.We, you know, we knew there was

(01:12:53):
something there, but thetechnology was not there to see
these microbes in action, to seewhat these microbes are doing in
the environment, to see whichmicrobe is needed when one
microbe is overgrown. We didn'thave that technology.
And the research, nobody'sreally doing. No. Is anybody
doing what does turmeric do tothe gut microbiome? Well, I'll

(01:13:16):
be telling you what turmericdoes to the gut microbiome. Did
we ever see a study wherevitamin c we all know by gut
feeling vitamin c is goodbecause we've all used vitamin c
during viruses.
Right? But you didn't reallyknow why vitamin c at a
microbiome level was good. Why?Because it increases

(01:13:37):
bifidobacteria. The only studythat was out there was an in
vitro study where they basicallyput some bifidobacteria on a
petri dish, put some vitamin cinside, grow.
But nobody really did thestudies to look at what does the
microbiome look like before andafter to showcase that in
humans, the micro thebifidobacteria is improved with

(01:14:00):
vitamin c. So this is what I'mtalking about when I say it's at
its infancy. Is there's a lot ofresearch that needs to be done
to know now that we have, youknow and I'm proud to say
ProgenaBiome has a validverified reproducible assay. I
could test my stools today,tomorrow, next month. If I don't

(01:14:20):
change anything in my diet, it'sstill my signature microbiome.
If I take an antibiotics, I'mgonna see my microbiome
disappear. If I'm gonna see it.We showed that data with
Ivermectin increasing thebifidobacteria within twenty
four hours. But here's theproblem. All these studies are

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expensive.
They start at 50,000 all the wayto $250,000. Nobody's spending
that kind of money to testturmeric or vitamin c where they
cannot make some money. I didbecause I wanna see the truth. I
have an I have an extreme thirstfor knowledge, and I wanna have
data. And so what I'm talkingabout is data when I say the

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microbiome research is notthere.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
So we need to figure out how to get more funding into
this type of research is what itsounds like to me. That's that
sounds like a really important,thing to focus on and and work
on, hopefully, in this, maybe inthis even administration, this
incoming administration, under,hopefully, maybe someone like,

(01:15:27):
you know, RFK junior, the headof HHS. We'll see what happens.
Fingers crossed. I wanna welcometo the stage Pat.
She's had her hand up, and thenwe'll go to you, Gary, and we'll
go from there.

Speaker 11 (01:15:40):
It's so funny when I hear my name Pat. All spaces.
But, anyway, thank you so muchand, Brianna for this invite.
And thanks everyone. Oh my gosh.
Great great great speakers andexperts. I love it. I don't ever
share this, but I was put in thefibromyalgia category. I deal

(01:16:00):
with a lot of pain. I try to eatfoods that are non inflammatory,
swim, do different things.
It affects my sleep. It affectseverything in my life. And the
microbiome is something that,I've been looking at, but I took

(01:16:23):
the probiotics. Really didn'tsee any result from that, so I
realized they're probably not agood shelf life product. But
moving forward without havingthe studies and everything done,
I live in the medical space.
I really haven't had a a goodsolution or kind of a map. I

(01:16:45):
never got sick as a child. Ispent my summers on my
grandmother's farm, veryorganic. I'm in the mud with the
pigs, out with the cows, ridinghorses in the barn, mucking out
stalls for the horses, justliving on the land, fishing and
on our property, canning food.Everything we ate was super

(01:17:07):
clean.
I never got sick until I went tocollege. Got sick one in
college, and then after that, Istarted dealing with every time
there was a flu, I got it andjust learned to budget it into
my life. But as I'm gettingolder, managing things, and then
I was in a pretty severe carwreck, and I had a left to right

(01:17:29):
whiplash in my brain, a lot ofbrain swell. After that, I have
no sleep pattern. I have to takesomething to sleep, and I fight
for that sleep.
And I try to eat right. I try todo what I can, but I don't think
I'm doing the best job for themy microbiome, for the gut.

(01:17:49):
Working with residents a lot, Iwas seeing C. Diff cases. Those
to us were unicorns.
So to see the increase of thatwas just insane. But we're
overprescribing antibioticsbecause everybody's trying to
get Z Pak. And after 01:00, thedoctors just caught patient
fatigue and just give themscript because that's the only
reason they came. And and Iworry about that. But how do we

(01:18:14):
improve our gut?
How do we do a better job? Is isthere a piece of the puzzle
here, or is it just tryingdifferent things? I I'm trying
to find solutions. I want toimprove the quality of my life.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
That's a great question, and that's something
that's our next that we're gonnalaunch right into that next.

Speaker 11 (01:18:32):
Oh, very good. Very good.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Yep. Because I I have a feeling Now call me crazy
here. But, I have a sneakingsuspicion that it it might
include something like shakingyour rancher's hands and meeting
your local cow being, you know,part of nature and and and
engaging right back in with thesoil and and getting getting

(01:18:56):
back to nature. So we'll see.We'll see.
Well Go ahead. Go ahead, Gary.And then

Speaker 11 (01:19:02):
I've birthed, eight calves.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Well, that's great. You're welcome here anytime. Go
ahead, Gary, and then, and thenwe'll take it back to that
topic.

Speaker 8 (01:19:14):
Yeah. One of the biggest issues that well, I
won't say issues. One of the,you know, biggest determination
of what happens in the gut isis, you know, the short chain
fatty acid production. I wasasking I would ask, doctor Hazan
if she would, actually, If shewould go over, you know, briefly

(01:19:38):
what what what happens if youlose your, like, the firmicutes
type, phylum of bacteria and andyou end up, you know, with, you
know, not the inability to makebutyrate.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Well, first of all, a lot of microbes secrete the same
things. Right? A lot of microbessecrete short chain fatty acids.
A lot of microbes, you know,share different substances that
they secrete. It's not somethingI can really talk about because
I like to publish my stufffirst.
I will tell you we are I'm in avery I'm in a pickle right now,

(01:20:21):
and I'm gonna say it because myhypothesis on high on ivermectin
was retracted. And myobservational study where we
basically treated hypoxicpatients at home showing that
ivermectin in combinationtherapy was retracted. So I'm in
a battle because the people thatare retracting this are, you

(01:20:44):
know, have a conflict ofinterest. They own patent in the
microbiome, and not only that,are playing you know, are
basically investors. Can youimagine a world where we're
living as doctors where you're aclinician, your paper gets
reviewed by peer reviews thatare reviewers that are like you,
specialist, gastroenterologistsor internists or physicians,

(01:21:07):
MDs, and the paper gets passedthrough those peer reviewers.
By the way, peer reviewers donot get paid for reviewing these
papers, for the papers that arenonpharma. They don't get paid.
And, basically, then the papergoes into the publication for
about a year, three years, andnow it's being retracted by the

(01:21:28):
editor because somebody that'san investor and a PhD complained
about the paper. So this is abig problem because it kinda
limits me from publishing. Andso I've kind of started my own,
you know, educating doctors.
Anybody that's a physician, anurse, you know, I I Angela, I

(01:21:52):
very exciting to hear about yourwork. Would love to work with
you with Parkinson's. It soundslike you have a bit a bit of
experience on that. That's myone of my passion projects,
Parkinson's and autism. So, youknow, you could join the Biome
squad.
We're a league of doctors thatbasically are trying to
understand the microbiometogether because we understand

(01:22:13):
its research, and we're doingthe research together to see all
that. So even if it's notpublished, then we basically
talk amongst each other aboutwhat we're seeing in the
findings. So if you're in themedical field, if you're
treating patients, if you'rehealing, join the Biome Squad.
Let's learn together on themicrobiome. In time, Gary, I'm

(01:22:35):
happy to, you know, once it'spublished, you know but you can
always private message me, andwe can talk about it, later on.

Speaker 9 (01:22:45):
That sounds like such a complete conflict of interest
holding back the paper because,yeah, I just

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Well, you have to publish. You have to publish.
Because if it's not published,it's it's not real. That's it.
And I'm not gonna be talkingabout what I'm seeing as a
hypothesis, without the peerreviewers looking at it.
I mean, it's not a conflict ofinterest if you're basically
saying, look. I wanna make surethat it's being peer reviewed

(01:23:15):
and that I'm right. Right? Andthe the majority

Speaker 9 (01:23:19):
of the mean with you. I meant with the, funder or
whatever, the

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:23:24):
The editor. That's Yes. What the conflict of
interest is really in there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
Yes. Yes. Yes. And, personally, I think every paper
needs to be published.Everything in the micro listen.
Let me just tell you. 70 to 90of the data that's out there on
the microbiome space is actuallyflawed. I'm like, you know,
these editors of journalsactually call me to review their
papers on the microbiome becausethey know I'm gonna validate

(01:23:49):
what's on the paper. But here'sthe thing. Why should I validate
if I can't even publish myself?
I'm not here to, like, tell ascientist that they're right.
I'm here to publish because I'vedone the work to showcase the
work. So, you know, it's onlyfair that it needs to be
published. I'm sorry. Everythingneeds to be published.
If 70 to 90% of the data that'sin the microbiome space is

(01:24:12):
flawed and it's still out there,and yet they're retracting a
hypothesis on ivermectin and anobservational study on
ivermectin. You know? And and weall saw the corruption with the
Lancet study andhydroxychloroquine, the the b s
ninety six thousand patientsthat were supposedly treated.

(01:24:33):
Come on. So we're not living ina normal world where we could
be, you know, talking about allthis because, unfortunately,
here's the movement that happensin medicine and it happens
happened to a lot of mycolleagues.
They come out with the data.They write the data, and then
some venture capitalist, youknow, destroys the reputation

(01:24:55):
and then takes the data, keepsit proprietary, patents it, and
then brings it out as a productwithout giving credit of to the
doctor that came out with theidea to begin with. So,
unfortunately, medicine hasbecome all business. You wanna
talk about why farms, whythey're going after your ranch
and your farms and your land.They figured out that, you know,

(01:25:19):
colostrum milk has a power.
Protein in the milk has a poweron immunity, and they wanna put
that as a pharmaceuticalproduct. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
That's It's the same thing with water, by the way.
Look at the we you know, there'speople that own rights to water.
How criminal is that? Thatthere's rights to water. So
wait.
So the rest of us that don'thave rights to the water are
gonna, what, dehydrate? Becausewe didn't buy into the rights of
water? It's criminal.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
It is yeah. Well, I mean, I have mixed views on that
as a rancher and a landowner,but we won't get into that for
now. I I do take issue withcompanies like Nestle, for
example, buying out municipalwaters, or water rights for,
like, a dollar and then selling.Right? The there there's
definitely a limitation to howsome of this works, or there

(01:26:18):
should be anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
And how you're not even allowed to to drill a well.
Right? I mean, I live in Malibu.A lot of houses have water
underneath their properties, andhere we are in the middle of a
fire. Imagine if you had a wellthat you could just put a pump
on it and start, you know,hosing your house.
Right? It's it's, what can Itell you? You're not allowed to

(01:26:40):
to have drill you you're notallowed to drill in Malibu for a
well because they want you touse city water.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Yeah. Government intervention is certainly
frustrating. Andrea,frustrating. Andrea, go ahead,
and then we're gonna jump into,a couple ideas on solutions. And
then, you know, before we wrap,I just I'd really like to host
the discussion and thepossibility of coming together
and and what it would take,right, to, conceive a new a new

(01:27:12):
protocol, a new concept, a newsort of way to move forward and
and how we might write somepolicies and better, I would
say, you know, best practices,guidelines, for perhaps this
administration and and what wemight what we might do, right,

(01:27:32):
moving into the future to changesome of these existing
regulations, in in order to, youknow, refocus on things like,
you know, doctor doctor Hazan'sresearch.
And if if we are, you know, oneof my biggest questions here is,
you know, why are we fundingpublic research to begin with if

(01:27:55):
it's not to find ways to makemedications, you know, more
effective and less expensive tobegin with? Why are we funding
and and using public dollars forresearch if it only benefits
large corporations that end upcharging us more in the long run
for for the same perhaps thesame products? Anyways, so, you

(01:28:17):
know, just kind of this, perhapsa a different concept about how
we use our public funds and whatwe can do, you know, as a
community to guide betterpractices, regulations, and
protocols. So go ahead, Andrea,and then let's, let's have that
discussion.

Speaker 10 (01:28:34):
I think this would be a great discussion. I have a
question. I don't know if it'sfor doctor Kat or anybody else
in this room. I I I targetdoctor Kat because of her wide
network. But what doctor Hazemhad said as far as the
retraction, that's veryproblematic because science is
always changing.

(01:28:55):
Science is always improving. Andunless you get that information
published, we're not gonna moveforward as a society. I used to
follow the retractions of thepublished data or the
rejections, I would say, up toabout two years ago. And the
amount that are not accepted orretracted was quite alarming,

(01:29:17):
especially during the COVIDerror when a lot of what they
were trying to publish wasaccurate. So given that JFK or
JFK, I'm sorry, RFK is movinginto hopefully being confirmed
into the department of, healthand human services.
What can we do as a community toelevate this concern that we are

(01:29:41):
just talking about right now?Not getting medical studies
published or being retracted orjust being rejected
wholeheartedly based on otherinfluences other than what the
truth is as far as movingforward with the, science. What
are some of the solutions? Well,first of all, doctor Kat, do you

(01:30:04):
have pool with anybody that youthink will be working with RFK?
Because this really needs to beaddressed.
The whole system needs needs tobe revised. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:30:15):
Actually, we don't need any kind of pool because,
RFK Jr has addressed this, andhe did say, that there's a
corruption in, journals. Andwhat has been done during the
COVID era, doctor Hazen is, oneexample of, her research being

(01:30:35):
retracted. There are others, andhe has, said that he will
address this. We also havedoctor Jay Bhattacharya going
into NIH where we know he'sgoing to try to be bring some
sanity and ethics into research.So I think we are positioned in
a good place.
That said, research that Sabinedoes is extremely important.

(01:30:59):
And, the fact that someone likeher who's been published many,
many times, she has, all sortsof research that she's done over
the years, never had anyretractions until now, really
tells you of the corruption ofthe pharmace pharmaceutical
companies because obviously,ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine,

(01:31:19):
and that type of research showsthat, you know, these medicines
are available, they're notexpensive, and there is a reason
why the research is suppressed.But I do have, every confidence
and know that this is somethingthat RFK Jr wants to address, as

(01:31:41):
he gets in. And before we gointo

Speaker 10 (01:31:46):
My opinion would be to have an independent board
outside of outside of thegovernment that has no
connections or financialfinancial, interest in regards
to any company would probably bea good start. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Doctor Kat, did you have something else to say?

Speaker 4 (01:32:17):
I was gonna say before we go into questions,
I've been kind of of the,conversation. We started with
One Health. I think everyone isrecognized that One Health idea
has been weaponized because ofthe fact, that they're using it

(01:32:39):
to go after the food source. Youknow, the One Health approach to
climate change adaptation,according to them, can may
significantly contribute to foodsecurity with with emphasis on
animal source foods, extensivelivestock system, particularly
ruminant livestock,environmental sanitation, and
steps towards regional andglobal integrated syndromic

(01:33:01):
surveillance and responsesystem. I'm reading this from,
actually, n I, National Libraryof Medicine publication on
climate change and one health.
One health is initiative of theWorld Health Organization
through pandemic treaty, but wedo have, offices of one health

(01:33:22):
in all the states in UnitedStates and in foreign countries
like UK and EU. And,essentially, One Health is being
used to weaponize the animalindustry and the food supply
chain. Because if you controlthe food, you control the

(01:33:43):
population. So it's extremelyimportant to support beef
initiative and other ranchersaround us with what they're
doing because, I've recently hadthat one of the six has,
introduced the legislation tolet us know if our food has mRNA

(01:34:05):
product in it. And so far, Ibelieve you guys have been
successful in not letting ithappen in beef industry,
although there is some pilotprograms.
But this is very much happeningin pig, right, industry. So and
now with the push of bird flu,the reason bird flu is being

(01:34:26):
pushed so hard is because ofzoonotic delivery system. Right?
They really wanna prove that itjumps from, animals to humans so
that they can introduce this OneHealth. So we we have to
recognize that this One Healthis a weaponized, tactics of the

(01:34:47):
World Health Organization to,get control over our food supply
so that, we only have, so thatthe government essentially has
complete control of, our foodsupply and what's getting on the
tables of the families aroundUnited States.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
That's it. That's it. Yeah. Absolutely. And just to
add on to that really quickly,our our livestock industry has
been pretty much monopolizedthrough the processing, packing
and and stockyards, essentially.
Alright? Through so through theprocessing and USDA labeling,
bottleneck as as it is. So it'sabout 85% of the entire

(01:35:28):
livestock industry that's ownedby four multinational
corporations. One is JBS out ofBrazil. The other is, Smithfield
out of China.
Then we have, like, Cargill andTyson, and it's depending on
whether it's chicken, pork, orbeef, there's there's one other
corporation that steps up in thecattle industry, but I digress.
The point here, is that all fourof these companies that I just

(01:35:51):
mentioned have massivelydiversified into lab cultured,
lab grown meat. And, just, atthe end of twenty twenty three,
JBS launched their brand new bioresearch facility at, I'm I'm
blanking on where, but it's inBrazil. And for anyone who's not

(01:36:14):
aware, Brazil is one of thenumber one countries that we
import meat from. And and whythis is important is because in
2020, early '20 '20, Congressrequired the USDA and the FDA to
sort of split the regulatoryburden and determine how lab
cultured, lab cultivated meatwould not only be allowed to be

(01:36:36):
patented, but then also how itwould be regulated and then how
eventually it would be labeled.
And so someone was taken out toa steak dinner, probably Tom
Vilsack, I'm not gonna lie,because what ended up happening
is the USDA, for some reason,was allowed to regulate the

(01:36:57):
health aspect of lab cultured,lab cultivated meat. This is
quite literally a turbo cancerthat is grown in a petri dish,
and then additives are are, youknow, put in to make it look
and, potentially, I don't know,taste or smell like, say,
chicken, for example, which theUSDA has just approved for sale

(01:37:20):
in The United States. And then,almost directly after that
launched a governmentprocurement contract for lab
cultivated chicken in the schoollunch program. So this is
extremely problematic becausetwo reasons. The FSIS, which is
the Food and Safety InspectionService, has yet to return their

(01:37:41):
finalized rule change on howthese products will appear in
the grocery store.
So we have absolutely no idea. Imean, they could very well be in
our grocery stores right now asthey've been approved. As we
know, these corporations are,you know, making these products
and shipping them out. AndBrazil, for example, like I
said, is our number one countryof import. So they very well

(01:38:03):
these chicken products couldvery well be in grocery stores
today, and they're not requiredto label them as lab cultured
because during the commentprocess, JBS, and I think it was
Tyson, their attorneys arguedthat requiring them to label lab
cultured, lab cultivated meat assuch would be an infringement on

(01:38:25):
their first amendment right andthat it would, and I quote, harm
the livestock industry.
So, we have incredibly powerfullobbies that are, extremely
influential in the regulatoryprocess and, you know, when it
when it comes down to it, thisis the sort of stated goal,

(01:38:50):
right, lab cultured, labcultivated, vertical, vertical
growing of food, food, sort ofhydroponics and less land,
right? So whether that's, sortof subsidizing with, insect
protein, which we have several,manufacturers that have been

(01:39:11):
permitted and are doing that nowon US soil. Or it's, you know,
lab culture, lab cultivatedmeat, which all four of the
multinationals that pretty muchrun the livestock industry have
not only divested in, but haveinvested millions into and were
given a fast track by the FDAand the USDA to sell those
products in US grocery stores.So this is the, you know, long

(01:39:34):
term stated goal. We know for afact that that, you know,
entities like the USDA's FNSprogram, which handles all of
the, EBT, food stamps, SNAP,WIC, TANF, SNAP programs.
Right? They've integrated a newAI risk assessment tool and

(01:39:55):
they, you know, are I mean,there's a potential to penalize
people for eating things like,you know, real milk, real meat,
real cheese, real actual foodbecause of the quote unquote
climate impacts. So we have thisnew sort of ideology that's been
inserted into the regulatoryprocess, and it is, you know,

(01:40:17):
it's, the whole the whole sortof stated goal is to impact or
alter consumer behavior. So theOne Health initiative, tacked on
with things like the new ICDtwenty twenty twenty five, ICD
10 codes, things like HealthyPeople 02/1930. They're really
taking us off track fromeverything that we know in terms

(01:40:39):
of consumer choice and a marketdriven economy where we are
allowed to vote with our dollarsat the grocery store.
Right? Because we have thisentire regulatory process that's
inserting itself and actuallyeconomically oppressing, freedom
of choice for consumers. And, sothat's all incredibly

(01:41:00):
problematic, but, let's see. Isee, doctor Angela has her hand
up and then, welcome, Mayes.Happy you're here.
And, we'll go to Mayes and thenAndrea.

Speaker 9 (01:41:10):
Excuse my sarcasm, but for them to have come out
with that new, you know, fakechicken initiative while they're
in the midst of running aroundwith a, scare dam is another
pandemic around bird flu andtaking all the chickens out. I
don't find that a coincidence.I'm just gonna say. And
secondly, I'm in full support ofthe, what do they call it? The

(01:41:35):
full fart campaign that's goingon in Europe to keep the, three
nope out of the milk supply.
Guys, if you haven't heard aboutit, it is so worth they took
the, full fat concept for milkfull fat. They put an r an r in
parentheses and call it the fullpart initiative because the
government approved for use, inThe United States also, a

(01:41:59):
chemical that is carcinogenic,potentially, gene altering, and
it's called three NOPs is thethe small name for it, the
shortened abbreviated name forit. Three NOP, and they give it
to cows in order to reduce theirfarts. Not kidding. And it's for

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dairy cows.
So, yeah, that was kind of my mysarcasm to go along with that.
And, you know, when we'releaning back into what do we do
about it, honestly, I we have tohave consumer labeling. We
absolutely, without a doubt,have to be able to maintain

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consumer labeling and consumerchoice. Screw their Green New
Deal agendas around our food.That's gotta stop.
If we choose to eat the way wechoose to eat, we can continue
to preserve the planet and dothings to take care of our
Earth. But our animals living incongruence with the Earth, like,

(01:43:08):
okay. Let's get rid of capofarming. Sorry. I don't know if
any of you guys are capofarming.
I hope not. But, I mean, comeon. That is where we're having
problems. When you talk aboutcattle that roam, eat the grass,
chickens that roam and eat thelike, this is how animals are
supposed to live. When you takethem out of their normal
environment and force them intocages to overproduce, yeah, we

(01:43:28):
we do have problems then.
So let's go ahead and go pullout cray cray and get rid of all
of the, capo farming if that'sreally what they want, but it's
not. They just wanna control us.So I'll put my mic down for now.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
No. Those are excellent points. I mean,
specifically, as the tournamentsystem itself has necessitated
the confined animal feedingoperation. Right? So we have
government intervention that'sliterally created the now
problem everybody wants toeradicate, but we can't scale it
back.
And, you know, it's all due to alack of processing capacity. So

(01:44:06):
it's, like, how do you you youdon't wanna scale that back,
but,

Speaker 9 (01:44:10):
you know create the problem, and then they wanna
make it our fault.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
That's exactly where I was going with that. I mean,
such such a great point. I hadone other thought, but I'll,
I'll hold on to it for now. Goahead, Mace.

Speaker 12 (01:44:24):
Are you sure? Because I live for your
thoughts, Brianne. As itpertains to this, I swear
everybody can use a Brianne intheir life. Thanks for the
invite. I I you know, I'd loveto know, I guess, maybe just to
start out, where, what if youhave the Green New Deal policies
that you specifically went over,you guys just talking about it
in general, but if there issomething that you're sharing,

(01:44:47):
if where I could find it.
And, also, like, I guess for thethe the most important thing to
really fathom here is the factthat this is all, like, across
the board from, like, let's justsay the very top level being
agenda 21, which isn't aconspiracy. I mean, it's really
it's there's literally anattempt to kind of preserve, you

(01:45:09):
know, a certain section of theplanet under the biodiversity,
you know, agenda, the the theplan for the twenty first
century. And they just dividedit up into 12 goals, and we're
familiar with those. We're like,most of us know about the United
Nations and the sustainabledevelopment goals. And so then
what they're doing is under theguise of, like, net zero,

(01:45:30):
they're wanting to, find ways toand a lot of these, just kind of
in a nutshell, is is not justabout carbon and sequestering
carbon because eventually,they're gonna be moving towards,
really financializing a lot morethan that nature specific.
And so when it oh, go ahead,doctor Cat. I'm pretty sure
something I said triggered yourhand, so I'll yield to you

(01:45:52):
before I continue.

Speaker 4 (01:45:55):
No. I just wanted to say that agenda 21 and, you
know, net zero and all of those,policies have been, reformatted
and renamed under PAC for thefuture for United Nations. For
those of you who are interestedin finding out, if you, search
PAC for the future, you're gonnafind all of these, documents

(01:46:18):
there. And then it implementedWell, hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
Because I just wanna add to that. And then it it was
implemented in early twentytwenty one by the Biden
administration through somethingcalled or what was called, what
is called, the Federal Plan forEquitable Long Term Recovery and
Resilience or the plan is howit's shortened. Sometimes it's

(01:46:46):
referred to as the unifiedagenda. But you can read all of
that in our policy paper,America the Titanic, and, fully
understand how that has beenrolled out through the
administrative bureaucracy. Goahead, Mays.

Speaker 12 (01:47:01):
Thank you so much. And so, you know, there's
there's I would say that therelike, as it pertains to The
United States, and this issomething that they're
organizing at a global level,and they're working with
different countries, and they'rekind of coordinating through
these different, meetings thatthey have. And and I'm sure that
most of you are familiar withthe World Economic Forum. I feel
like that that has become socliche nowadays that I almost

(01:47:24):
hesitate to say it becausepeople just begin to kinda, you
know, have a cognitive partitionto the recycling bin, but it's
very serious. All they're doingis they're connecting this
they're facilitating the pathfor the corporate fascism that
we're seeing take place.
And, it's important to know thatthere are different cities that
are actually, kind of more on anaccelerated path, and that just

(01:47:44):
depends on whether or not yourmayor signed you up. So if you
go to c40cities.org, you can goto this where you live, and you
can see if your cities is one ofthose cities. And then what I
can post, in the comments isthere's, like, all these
different, so with Aroop, whichis a company through the that is

(01:48:05):
coordinating on the globalstrategy around this, they're
gonna be facilitating the themeat and dairy piece, the
private ownership of vehicles,and some other pieces. It's a
very elaborate topic, and so I'mgonna stay in the lane of the
food. And and I don't know ifthat's what we're just talking
about, the beef, and dairy.
But I also wanted to give ashout out to Coyote, who's down

(01:48:27):
here. I would definitely bringhim up. I think he's he's
piecing a lot of this togetherand bringing a lot of the
America First people on board,with understanding what's
happening in America. Yeah. Ihave more.
I'll just chime in. I'll I'llyield for now. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
Awesome. Thank you so much. Yeah. So just really
quickly, I do well, I'll justI'll just I remember what I was
going to say when doctor Angelawas talking, which is one one
point. So Bover this is reallyinteresting.
So so Bover is the product thatshe is referring to, the three
and co. Right? That's the theproduct name, and it's made by a

(01:49:05):
company called Elanco. Butwhat's really fascinating is
that the FDA didn't actuallyapprove this product. What they,
they approved the marketing ofthe product and said, hey, you
know what?
So long as we don't have anyhuman health issues and there,

(01:49:25):
there doesn't, you know, in thefuture, there there doesn't
appear to be a connectionbetween your product and we're
not getting too many complaintsabout it. You can continue to
market it. And then whathappened three days later,
Alonco puts out this pressrelease saying after an
extensive, you know, peerreview, the FDA found their

(01:49:46):
product safe and effective.Sorry. It just cracks me up
because this is how the game isplayed.
Alright. Go ahead, Andrea.

Speaker 10 (01:49:55):
Thank you again, Bree, for having the space. I
just have a few comments. I thec 40 is real, and people do not
realize how widespread it ishere in America. They also have
two conferences a year on thesmart cities. And if you're not
following it, you should.

(01:50:15):
Because the last city that Ilived in, which was only two
less than 200,000 people,adopted the smart city concept,
but on a countywide scale,connecting the three
neighborhoods as they called itin the plan. And, you know, most
people just didn't even realizeit Realize that it happened, and

(01:50:39):
then people actuallyparticipated in it and thought
this was a good idea withoutrealizing exactly what it is. So
my and the and I I don't evenremember how far I'll go. Over a
couple day period, I decided toresearch, like, almost every
space on I mean, not space, butstate on on how many smart

(01:51:02):
cities are in your state. Theyare massive.
They are growing quickly. Someof them are already many of them
have already been approved. Someof them are in the planning
stage. Even the register states,Florida, for example, has many,
many small smart cities.Florida's made up of a lot of
small communities and largecommunities just like many other

(01:51:24):
states.
So I encourage everyone to getinvolved with their city council
planning development, meetingsand and to fight back all the
way. The other thing I wanted tomake up by or say this that is
quite interesting to me. I amfor limited government. I am for
free speech. But there arecertain such certain things that

(01:51:49):
our government should provide,and that is the FDA and consumer
labeling that I support if it'saccurate, if it's true.
So it's quite interesting. I'venever heard this before that a
rule was made because one of themajor find, institutions that

(01:52:12):
were gonna benefit from whateverthe rule change was, said it's a
free speech speech issue, andthis administration accepted
that. That is totally, totally,horrendously wrong. I wanna know
what I'm putting in my body formany reasons for many reasons.
And I'm sure many of you in thisspace also wanna know what

(01:52:35):
you're putting in your body,especially if you have immune
deficiencies or immune disease,any of the above or more.
It's really imperative that youknow what you're putting in your
body and what will actuallyaggravate it or re or re,
activate cancer. I mean, I'm aI'm a two time cancer survivor.

(01:52:57):
I wanna know what I'm eating.This was appalling to me. Thank
you.
I'm sorry. I just had to get onmy soapbox.

Speaker 2 (01:53:05):
Yeah. That's okay. Look. Just just really quickly.
So I I know we can keep goingafter this, but I wanna be
respectful of the doctors thatare on the stage and their time.
So, let's, finish let's finishup by talking about solutions.
How can we restore ourmicrobiome? Right? What are the
things that we can do to helpbuild our immunity naturally?

(01:53:29):
Does it involve, you know, beingon a farm?
Does it, and how do we accessthat? Like, how how do we how do
we build back our naturalhealth? And what are some best
practices? What are some ideasfor protocols that we could
start, lobbying, HHS for, forexample, as opposed to, you
know, biosecurity and lockingeverything down and sterilizing

(01:53:52):
everything. And then after that,we can open it up and we'll have
a broader discussion, but Iwanna make sure that we're
being, respectful andprioritizing the, very the very
important time of our doctors.
So, either either of you thatwanna, tackle that, I'd love

Speaker 9 (01:54:10):
to hear from you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:54:11):
So this is, this is Sabine's specialty, but before
she starts, I just wanna say onething. We absolutely absolutely
have to get rid of the mRNAplatform. That's a nonstarter.
And and I know politically it'svery difficult for RFK Jr
because there is no appetite inthe administration. But until we

(01:54:33):
get rid of the mRNA platform,it's gonna be difficult to keep
microbiome safe.
That's my opinion. But Sabine isthe expert, and I defer to her.

Speaker 3 (01:54:44):
Thank you, and thank you for all your work being an
advocate on all this. Yeah. Iagree. I mean, unfortunately,
you know, we fortunately orunfortunately, we were the lab
that showed that the messengerRNA vaccine kills the
bifidobacteria. We tried to showthat vaccine injured had zero

(01:55:04):
bifidobacteria, but,unfortunately, we're not able to
publish that anywhere.
I think number one is reallystop it, you know, restarting
science again and allowingpublications again. Even if we
have to create our own journal,I know that Peter McCullough is
working on that. That's numberone. Number two, we have to push

(01:55:26):
for a natural way. We have topush for protection of our
animals, our protection of ourof our land, of our fruits.
You know, it's when people don'trealize when you put pesticides
on the on a fruit tree, you'rekilling the bees, you know?
You're changing the microbiomeof the bees. And if you
remember, Albert Einstein said,if the bees disappear off the

(01:55:48):
planet, humanity has four yearsto live. I tend to think that if
the BIF disappears off theplanet, humanity has four years
to live. And we're seeing that.
We're seeing that in themicrobiome space. There's not
not everything is about money.And, unfortunately, you know,
people, even these billionairesthat I see as patients that want

(01:56:11):
to have a new microbiome, that Iyou know, I can't offer it to
them. So money does not buy youhealth. We've got to stop the
destruction.
We've got to educate people onstopping the destruction because
the microbiome is essentiallylike that fire. You're putting
water and gasoline on it. You'renever gonna advance. We've got

(01:56:32):
to heal. We've got to heal ashumanity as a whole.
We've got to stop thinking thatwe, you know, one one state, one
country is the best. We need towork together because humanity
and the planet is all together.The beauty of the planet is the
diversity of all races, of allpeople, people that are

(01:56:54):
vegetarian, vegan, carnivore,you know, African American,
Chinese, Asian. You know, that'sthe beauty of the planet and the
diversity in in its diversity.You know, diversity is very
important.
That's number one. Eat naturalfoods. Make sure you know your
farmer. You know, I was with mysister, and we were buying

(01:57:16):
organic. You know, she waslooking for the organic sticker.
And I said to her, I said, youknow, just because it says
organic sticker doesn't meanit's really organic. Get to know
your farmers. Get to know thefarms. You know, there's I
bought a whole bunch of bloodyorange today and come to find
out it's from a farm in Florida.Well, I'm gonna be making the
phone call tomorrow to say, hey.

(01:57:38):
By the way, are you usingpesticides on your fruits and
vegetables? That's how youbecome an informed consumer. So
know your farmers, know yourfarms, know where you get your
food, get to use those foodsover and over. You know, test
yourself. Unfortunately, themicrobiome testing is not there

(01:57:59):
yet, so I don't recommendtesting.
But definitely test your, youknow, blood work to check for
inflammation, fecalcalprotectin, you know, CRP, all
sorts of markers to see whereyou're at, decrease your stress.
You know? I I think even meright now with the fires in
Ventura and Malibu and LA andhaving to evacuate my parents

(01:58:22):
and my kid, You know? I have tokeep myself in in a in a zone
where I say, look. It doesn'thelp me to be stressed because
my if my house is burning.
It's not I'm not gonna changeanything in destroying my
immunity because of somematerial things. So don't sweat
the material things. Think aboutevery time you get into that

(01:58:44):
stress level, think you'rekilling microbes. And the key is
to rebuild microbes. You know, Iused to have arguments with my
husband about his closet beingdirty.
I don't even think about it. Ijust closed the door now. I
don't wanna argue. Why do I needto kill my bifidobacteria
because of, my OCD behaviorabout his closet? Right?

(01:59:04):
So I think that's the number onething. Not eat natural, Avoid
alcohol, drugs if you'rerebuilding. You know, avoid
coffee in massive consumption.You know, one cup of coffee
helps the microbiome, but morethan that may kill it. Just more
natural, educate yourself on themicrobiome.

(01:59:26):
You know, the book, let's talk sh dot t, has some beginning. It
was that's why I wrote it. Wetalked about bifidobacteria in
the book, and I published itbefore COVID. So that's that's
what I would do. There's a tonof publications that we've done
on the Purjana Biome website.
There's a ton of abstracts we'vepresented. There's a abstract

(01:59:47):
that was just accepted today onthe microbiome and bipolar
disorder. You know, thankfully,these abstracts stay and they
cannot retract them, so at leastthat's how we publish. We won
three awards at the AmericanCollege of Gastro. So those
abstracts are still alive andwell and published, and they're
on the Projona Biome website.

(02:00:08):
There's videos I've done toeducate people. You know, the
other hint that I would say isif your diet is Mediterranean
from your ancestors, then juststick to that diet. Go back to
that diet. You know? I I believethat.
But that's, again, that's mybelief. You know? It's not
really research or science, butthat's how I treat my patients.

(02:00:30):
I tend to go back to the dietthat they used to be on. You
know, obviously, fermented food,sauerkraut, you know, all the
the right things, and I don'thave to you know, I'm sure
Angela will talk more about allthat.
But I think to me, the mostimportant thing is to to
decrease the stress, to makesure your vitamin d level is up

(02:00:52):
to par, to make sure you'retaking vitamins when you're
exposed to people with, withcertain viruses, etcetera. And
don't drop your immunity bykeeping your mind and body in
balance. That's it.

Speaker 4 (02:01:10):
Serene, I really find interesting what you said. Go
back to the diet that you grewup on because I've seen, you
know, over my lifetime as well.I I'll always go back to my
training and diet. Even if I do,like, a FAB for a little bit, I
will always go back to what Iknow, and I feel the best in
what I know.

Speaker 3 (02:01:28):
Yeah. I mean, you see it you know, it's interesting. I
had a a guy from India who hadthe worst h pylori that I had a
hard time fixing. And I said,you know what? Go back to your
food and to the foods you wereeating when you were a kid.
He went, and I said, and and tryto get some local honey from the
area that you were eating youwere from. Right? Anyways, he

(02:01:48):
moved to India for a little bitand restored his gut, and he's
back to normal, you know,healthy as can be. And, you
know, I really believe it'sprobably restoring what you
started off with. We tend tothink of the microbiome as just
on its own, but we don't thinkof the colonic mucosa that

(02:02:10):
accepts these microbes.
Right? And that's geneticallypassed on. Right? So mom gives
us the genetics, but mom alsogives the microbes, mom and dad,
because dad kid takes care ofthe kids as well. Some of you
who have seen my lectures, youknow I talk about the family
microbiome, my family portrait,and it's really that.

(02:02:32):
It's looking at my microbiome,comparing it to my kid who's so
similar to me, and then myhusband looking like my little
one. You know, it it'sfascinating when you see the
signature microbiome within thefamilies that you realize that,
you know, you resemble eachother within the microbiome. I

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mean, my husband and I have beenmarried thirty one years. I
think we complement each othervery well, and we've kind of
become the same. Like, I knowwhat he's gonna say before he
even says it.
But even in our microbiome,we're very similar. So, you
know, it's it's the world of themicrobiome is fascinating. Who
knew? Well, Hippocrates knew.

Speaker 2 (02:03:15):
Thank you so much. Yeah. It looks like my cohost
position is kinda glitchy. I'mnot seeing people, and it looks
like, Maze is requesting a mic.And I

Speaker 4 (02:03:29):
there's no hands, and I don't see maze at all. We have
captain, sir, and turf that'srequesting.

Speaker 2 (02:03:37):
Interesting. But there's no hands. Yeah. That's
that's interesting. She justsent me a a screenshot.
So, I don't know what's goingon. I apologize. The space looks
like it's being a little goofy.But,

Speaker 4 (02:03:50):
I think has, her hand up right now.

Speaker 13 (02:03:54):
The host can, like like, swipe out and then come
back in and return, maybe changetheir VPN location, and then
return back within a a time andthen just reconnect. That I
think it'll work

Speaker 3 (02:04:06):
out. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:04:07):
We we got her. Thank you, Coyote. Great suggestion.
Okay. Awesome.
Well, if, doctor Kat orGriffiths, I I think doctor,
Meryl Nass is down in thelistener section too a bit or or
may still be here anyways. Ifyou guys want to close us out
with any other ideas, lastthoughts, and ideas on, like,

(02:04:30):
protocols, maybe a different wayof sort of tackling our, you
know, disease model. Right? Andthen we'll open it up, and we'll
kinda go popcorn style and justhave a great a great chat.

Speaker 9 (02:04:47):
Sure. I'll jump in real quick. I'll circle back
around to one of the storiesthat I shared and and a solution
that I would encourage is thatwe make soap great again.
Getting rid of hand sanitizers.They destroy the gut biome.
Destroy. Make soap great again.Just regular soap and water.

(02:05:08):
That's it. You know, even forthe classroom, there's portable
versions of soap and water thatI purchased when I was traveling
in Africa.
So, you know, it's again, let'snot come up with reasons why we
can't do it. Let's figure out away to do it. Eating an anti
inflammatory diet, super, superimportant when we're trying to

(02:05:29):
balance the gut flora and stayhealthy. We don't wanna be
having inflammation in thegastrointestinal tract. Again,
improving our bile acids,something I found so critical
after after COVID and after thevaccine.
Again, it it affects thediversity of the gut flora, but
it also affects our ability tometabolize sugar. It affects our

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ability to, break down fattyacids so our cholesterol goes
up, causes nonalcoholic fattyliver. Like, there's just so
many things where bile acidsplay a role. If you wanna learn
more about that, I've shared,several posts about it. Saved
them in my, oh, what's it calledagain?

(02:06:14):
The, highlights area. So you canjust search for acids or bile or
whatever, b I l e, and it'llit'll pop up. And then lastly,
doctor Hazan already mentioned,the fermented foods. Fermented
foods can be brilliant,especially if it's something
that you are culturally used to.You know, a lot of different

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cultures use different ferments.
If you have not previously usedferments and your body is
struggling with a lot ofbloating, go slow. You might not
be ready for them yet, but alsouse the feeding a baby bird
theory, where if you're going tofeed a baby bird, which would be
your gut microflora. Right?You're wanting to grow healthy

(02:06:56):
flora. If you feed a baby bird,you're only gonna feed it a
little tiny bit.
So maybe you take a couple bitesof a ferment the first time.
Like, literally, just a smallforkful. That's it. Right? The
first time, and you can build upthe amount of toleration that
you have for ferments and yourgut's ability to digest them and
make the appropriate flora andthings that it is going to do

(02:07:19):
with all those wonderful foods.
So there's there's lots that wecan do, but those are just a
couple of thoughts that I wouldthrow in to start.

Speaker 2 (02:07:30):
And doctor Is this doctor Guiana? Oh, go ahead. Hi.

Speaker 4 (02:07:33):
Oh, go go ahead go ahead, Mary.

Speaker 6 (02:07:34):
Thanks. I wanted to say a few things. First, people
need to realize that glyphosateis actually an antibiotic. It
works as a very powerfulantibiotic. And so, for some
people, if you are there there'sgoing to be glyphosate in
virtually every grain that youeat, and there may be glyphosate

(02:07:56):
in corn and other it doesn'thave to be a GMO because
glyphosate is also used to,desiccate, to dry crops so that
they can all be harvested at thesame time.
So and, and it's often notlabeled. If you eat organic,
it's not supposed to be inthere, but, of course, we know

(02:08:17):
that organic labeling means thatthings can be sold at a higher
price. So the labels may not beaccurate. If you buy locally,
you're much more likely toreally get real organic or grow
your own. Growing your own is,of course, safest.
I think that the fatty acids,the medium chain fatty acids in

(02:08:39):
coconut, are perhaps better atfeeding the bifido. I'm not sure
about that. Maybe Sabine cantell us. But, that is, I think,
a good fat overall to eat, andyou wanna avoid the seed most of
the seed oils, like, if ifyou're eating basically, try to

(02:08:59):
avoid nonorganic fats becausecarcinogens tend to be fat
soluble, and you'll find them athigher concentrations in as an
as an overall rule of thumb inyour fatty foods like butter or
the oils you use. Olive oil,maybe not so much.

(02:09:20):
You may you can but olive oil isusually adulterated. So most
olive oil in the stores is onlypartly olive oil. So, because
olive oil was built to be ahealth food, and so it became
more valuable, and peoplestarted mixing it with other
cheaper oils. The the olive oilsfrom Europe that have a date on

(02:09:41):
them that are usually only goodfor a year are probably okay
because, France and Italy reallytry to protect their their foods
because they have a reputationfor high quality foods. I also
wanted to say that you know?
And, of course, your gutbacteria don't determine

(02:10:01):
everything about you. There arealso many people who have
become, sometimes because ofthese mRNA vaccines or other
things that have happened tothem, they've become sensitive
to foods. And I found that,virtually eighty percent or more

(02:10:21):
of my fibromyalgia patients, andI had about a thousand of them
altogether over twenty years,would re would get somewhat
better. Some got completelybetter when they found out which
foods they were eating that theywere actually turned out to be
sensitive to. So something hadsensitized them.
It's as if the the things inyour body that are supposed to

(02:10:44):
figure out what you shouldn'treact to and what you should
react to in in terms of yourimmune system were not working
properly. And we saw this inGulf War veterans, people with
chronic fatigue syndrome,fibromyalgia, environmental
illnesses, vaccine injuries, andand now with the mRNA injuries,
a lot of people are having thisproblem. And so the the way of

(02:11:09):
dealing with it is to do anelimination diet, sometimes
several elimination diets, andtest foods to see which ones you
react adversely to. And you can,read about that if you like. In
terms of there are a lot ofpeople who are missing, bile
acids or stomach acid or enzymesto digest proteins.

(02:11:35):
And now I don't get paid forthis, but one brand I found that
was very good because it had theenzymes for to digest all the
proteins, plus it had bileacids, plus it had, hydrochloric
acid for the stomach. So andand, it had pancreatic,
substances as well. So most GI

Speaker 2 (02:12:00):
Wait. What was the what was the brand? What what
was the brand?

Speaker 6 (02:12:03):
It's called DigestZymes, and the, company
is, Designs for Health. And it'snot that expensive, and you just
take it take one capsule everytime you eat. It's over the
counter. You know, you can buyit online. I wouldn't buy it
online.
It's better if you buy it fresh,obviously, but it solved a lot

(02:12:27):
of different gut problems. Soit's it's a good cheap thing to
try first, and it might help.

Speaker 3 (02:12:35):
I'm just gonna interject one thing. If you are
healthy, please do not do that.It's a big mistake to use
digestive enzymes when you'rehealthy and you have a healthy
pancreas. Otherwise, you'regonna get yourself into
problems. Remember, the bodydoes its own thing of digesting.
So for those who have a diseaseand you wanna try that, no

(02:12:56):
problem. But for those who arehealthy, I don't recommend
digestive enzymes.

Speaker 6 (02:13:00):
Right. Because you're expressing your ability anything
if you don't have to.

Speaker 8 (02:13:04):
Of course.

Speaker 3 (02:13:05):
Yeah. But, you know, so many people, let me tell you,
they listen to this and theythink, oh my god. I could be
healthier. Like, it boggles mymind when the whole probiotic
movement came out. I had 13 I,you know, I was in the car with
my daughter, and these 13 yearold girls were telling me they
were taking probiotics.
And I'm like, oh my god. Why areyou taking probiotics? You're

(02:13:25):
healthy. They're like, well, mymom thinks, like, it'll make me
better.

Speaker 4 (02:13:29):
Mhmm.

Speaker 3 (02:13:29):
No. There's no such thing. If you're healthy, keep
doing what you're doing. You'redoing great. It's only if you
have a disease you can try allthese things.

Speaker 9 (02:13:38):
Just to be clear, probiotics treat. They're
specific to treat differentconditions.

Speaker 2 (02:13:45):
But

Speaker 9 (02:13:45):
he's the same. Strain specific. So if people don't
need to be treated, they don'tneed to be taking it.

Speaker 3 (02:13:50):
But so many you would be surprised how many people are
healthy and think that they'regonna get healthier by taking
probiotics or by takingdigestive enzymes. And and half
the time, I do the eliminationdiet for patients where I say,
okay. We're let me see all thenatural stuff you're taking. And

(02:14:12):
half the time, I remove allthese things, and that's when
they get better. And they'relike, oh my god, doctor Hazen.
I was taking all this crap. I'mlike, yes. That was killing your
gut.

Speaker 6 (02:14:20):
Right. Because

Speaker 3 (02:14:21):
here's the the other thing, and I'm sure you will
agree, the majority of productsare not quality tested, and they
can do more harm to your gutthan benefit. Okay. So this

Speaker 6 (02:14:33):
is a problem for all medicines and all supplements is
that 80 to 90% of theingredients come from overseas.
And the countries that make themost of them are India, China,
Turkey, Indonesia, and companieshere buy these raw materials.

(02:14:53):
Some companies test them, somedon't. They can't test for
everything. So there's forinstance, there's been lots of
scandals about lead in inturmeric, and there was a lead
in calcium pills.
Anyway, so then what happensvitamins, by

Speaker 3 (02:15:11):
the way, and arsenic and vitamins.

Speaker 6 (02:15:13):
Labels yeah. They label their the product with
their own label, but they'vebought the active ingredients
from overseas. And you can'teven you call them up. I've
tried this. Which country ismaking your vitamin c?
Which country did you buy your xfrom? And they won't tell you.
They don't want you to know.They want you to think it's all
American, but very little of itis American. And and and the

(02:15:37):
same is true for drugs, bothbrand name and generic, although
more of the brand names are madehere, but still a minority.
FDA does very little testing ofthis stuff independently. They
mainly just look at the at thetest results the companies give
them, which can be faked, andthey don't supplements. The

(02:16:08):
supplements are are, in mostcases, a completely unregulated
industry. But even with drugs,the FDA is supposed to inspect
factories every two years.Overseas are lucky if they
inspect them every ten or elevenyears.
FDA didn't even know how manycompanies there were in China
making the drugs until there wasa a scandal about, fifteen years

(02:16:32):
ago with heparin, and a bunch ofpeople died. And it turned and
FDA didn't even have an officein I mean, just think of how big
China is, four times as big asUnited States. And they're
making all these drugs for us.And FDA didn't have an office
there inspecting, you know,thousands of establishments that
were producing drugs.

Speaker 3 (02:16:52):
Well, they don't even check they don't check the
products, period. They check theCorrect. The the label. They
check the brochure. They checkthe clinical trials.
Listen. I've been in theclinical trial business for
thirty years. And and but youask the FDA. You go, why don't
you test the product? They'relike, we don't have the
manpower.
And I agree. Think about the inthe enormous amounts of

(02:17:14):
nutraceuticals that come outevery single day. Who's gonna
monitor all that? It's enormous.I mean, I'll tell you before I
get when I treat my patients,I'm so OCD.
I go to the factory probioticsthat I'm gonna use, and I
actually tour the probioticcompany, and I get to know the
owner, and I get to test mypatients before and after on the

(02:17:35):
probiotics. Because let me tellyou, if you don't do that kind
of diligence, you're never gonnayou're never gonna know. You're
you're shooting in the dark. Youknow, my long haulers, my
vaccine injured, my Alzheimer's,all these patients, you know, it
doesn't help me to put them onmy protocol if the vitamins are
full of arsenic or if theprobiotics are fake and have

(02:17:57):
some contaminants in there likesome other bacteria. Right?
So it it it's become verydifficult, but at the same time,
it's much needed.

Speaker 2 (02:18:08):
Yeah. I think those are excellent points. And, you
know, I just I just wanna kindacut in here. So before we,
discuss any more aboutnutraceuticals, I'm curious if
there's any ideas for, perhaps,like, different well, I don't
know. I was thinking differentpolicies and and protocols, but

(02:18:29):
it might be late in theconversation for that.
I don't know. What do you guysthink? We've got a bunch of
hands. Looks like a lot ofpeople wanna chime in. Should we
just go to hands and kinda openit up, or, should we talk

Speaker 3 (02:18:40):
about go to hands because I'm actually I have to
leave. I you

Speaker 6 (02:18:43):
know, it's kind of,

Speaker 3 (02:18:44):
you know, so many things going on right now with
all these fires. So go ahead.

Speaker 2 (02:18:49):
Yeah. We're and we're so grateful for your time. Thank
you, and and prayers for you andyour family going through the
fires in LA right right now.That is absolutely devastating.
Our our hearts go out to you.

Speaker 3 (02:19:04):
Thank you. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (02:19:07):
Yeah. Thank you for joining us. We'll go to Gary,
Coyote, and then Shane.

Speaker 8 (02:19:16):
Yeah. I just wanna bring up a couple things. If,
you know, for people who arevaccine injured, a lot of them,
you know, are looking you know,when they first find out, the
first thing is to start grabbingsupplements because you hear
what people are talking about ononline. It's probably the worst
thing you could do because youhave no idea what it's gonna do

(02:19:38):
for you. Everybody's different.
The the the thing that I wantedto bring up was, you know, often
for the butt for the gut buying,you hear a lot of people talk
about berberine. Well, berberineis a very strong, antibiotic. So

(02:19:58):
it actually can do more damagethan it does good. So that's
just, you know, one of thethings that, like, you know,
people don't realize what'sgoing on. They they hear things
and they're, you know, realizethey find out that they're
hurting and that that's whatthey're looking for.
I just wanted to to to, youknow, bring that that sort of

(02:20:21):
thing up so that people areaware that maybe they should be
talking to somebody who'squalified before they start
grabbing a bunch of supplementsoff, you know, off the shelf.

Speaker 2 (02:20:31):
Thank you, Gary. That's a really excellent point.
Coyote, go ahead. It looks likewe lost Shane. Sorry, Shane.
Come back up and go ahead andrequest it if you're, if you got
dropped down by accident.

Speaker 13 (02:20:43):
Thank you for having me. This is a fascinating, like,
subject. I saw the Texas, SlimFoundation right there, and that
really, really, made me feel athome right there. I I guess I
could say, like, you know, I'm aperson that I firmly believe
that, like, you know, when wewhen we have issues, to kinda,
like like, I try to, like, bringa solution or a possible

(02:21:04):
solution. I'm always thinking,like, about a solution when I
when I bring something to thetable.
And a lot of this stuff, I'm,you know, is is it's it's great,
you know, to hear because I I,you know, I didn't know there
was this this much stuff. But Iguess my suggestion would be,
like, you know, like, becominginvolved in a, like, a local
level, in order to, you know,start, like, resolving these

(02:21:26):
issues is is, like, one of thebiggest thing. I mean, it could
be just from getting in, like, adistrict seat or going to, you
know, like, starting to get goto your, you know, Republican or
Democrat headquarters or whatnotof your county, you know, just,
you know, city council, just themost basic things of it. And,
you know, I appreciate you,inviting me here, Mays, and
telling me to come because, thatthat is something right there

(02:21:48):
because I I I have I I do hear alot of, issues in a lot of these
spaces that we go to, and theythey they sleep on that. Like,
they they don't understand theimportance of that just the
basic local level because thatis the that is the starting
point of fixing every problemthere is.
Even if you wanna get rid ofsomething, like someone in a

(02:22:10):
particular position, you have tohave a replacement right there.
So just just, you know, likelike, just keep that in mind if
you would because I really,really, really wish that more
people would become involvedlocally. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:22:24):
Excellent, boy. You know, I I had a great call with,
well, I've been working with ourlegislators here in South
Dakota, but I also had a greatcall with, one of our county
commissioners where we live. AndI was asking her if our county
had signed on to any of therecent, you know, federal plan

(02:22:44):
community benefit agreements,which are the contractual
agreements to essentially alterland use and, zoning and
development for the future. And,this person told me absolutely
not. We would not do that.
And the reason why we have somuch money flowing into our,
local economy here is becausepeople are free, and they have

(02:23:07):
the freedom to create, GDP andeconomic, you know, grow grow
their own economic wealth. Soit's amazing the difference in
mindset, and, it's it's reallyincredible when you get involved
locally and you can work with,you know, your local health
department, your locallawmakers, and everybody is on

(02:23:29):
the same page, hoping to achievea similar goal. And, you know,
at another point in time, Iwould like to address, you know,
policy related protocols becauseI think this concept, like I
said, of of sterilizingeverything, biosecurity, locking
everything down, living in asort of, you know, bubble and

(02:23:50):
labeling everything is anextremely dangerous path
forward, which really fullyencompasses this whole sort of
one health concept, and we needto get out from underneath it as
fast as humanly possible. Withthat, I'll go to, Mays and then
Melissa and captain.

Speaker 12 (02:24:13):
Sorry. Thank you. I was in the messages. So, yeah, I
I think that that element isvery important. The the what
I've noticed, I guess, in mytime of of covering this is that
many people at one point, it wasjust overwhelming to even fathom
this.
But I think with all of the, youknow, all that's happened in the
past four years, a lot of peopleare in just various states of

(02:24:34):
awakening, and and trying tounderstand what's going on. And
so I think simplification hasbeen my what I've what I've
found more effective is to just,you know, not overdump, like,
information, but more just kindof simplify and show, where they
connect at the top kind of andthen being able to show that
there's there's a lot that'sinvolved, but many of these

(02:24:56):
things that we're all fightingin our own silos, whether it's,
you know, the degeneracy inschools or whether it's the food
piece or whether it's, you know,the the, you know, the
corruption that's kind of withthe regulatory and the revolving
door with medical and healthcare and all that. So, what I
wanted to say is that, like,there's a lot of people that

(02:25:17):
really do want to actuallyparticipate in in fixing this,
and that's why that's, you know,Coyote and and people that are
hosting spaces. They're tryingto get people to recruit, like,
state by state, like, where theygo, and they're figuring out how
many seats are in each countyand and really moving at that
level.
And so that's why I I hope thatwe can begin networking because

(02:25:39):
people are literally doing thesespaces every day, and we can you
know, if you're interested inthat. And, also, the other piece
that I wanted to comment on wasthe the just the a lot of this,
like, is moving by so fast, andI'm I'm just kinda concerned as
we have so many things that weare inundated with that there's

(02:26:00):
not necessarily a lot ofemphasis placed on, you know,
just the the land, theconservation, the the like,
people are getting therelocation that you actually
posted about, Brianne. I mean,when I saw your post, I was
like, holy cow. And and so maybewe can prioritize the most
urgent. I just don't know if wecan kind of brainstorm.

(02:26:22):
Not tonight. Not today. I'm justcoming up with ideas that I
think will help us be moreeffective. But I appreciate your
level of just interest andknowledge and how you break
stuff down. But, yeah, I'll landthere, and we can go to the
other hand.

Speaker 2 (02:26:33):
Thank you, Mays. I really appreciate that. Melissa,
go ahead.

Speaker 14 (02:26:39):
Hi. Thanks, Brianna. I'm on the other side of South
Dakota from Brianna. I'm in theBlack Hills region. I am likely
injured from the Gardasil HPVvaccine.
I have one medical professionalwho agrees with me, two who do
not. And, of course, if the onewere to put it in my medical
record because of MonumentHealth being part of Mayo, she

(02:27:01):
would be terminated. When COVIDcame, I got cancer. And,
basically, first, what happenedwas my Gardasil vaccine was
officially marked as failing,and I got HPV. And when they
took the sample three dayslater, I had a lump in my
breast.
It was HER2 triple positive andno genetic markers and no family

(02:27:22):
history of it. I have mysuspicions, of course, as to
what happened with COVID andeverything else. And every three
weeks at chemo, I would see thewaiting room get more full
during the vaccine rollout. Itwas horrendous, and I am also
diagnosed with MECFS andfibromyalgia. So I really

(02:27:43):
appreciate doctor Nas' words.
And what Angela was saying aboutthe, doctor Angela was saying
about the, liver and liverissues, I was also hospitalized
in liver failure in 2015, and Iwas having bile problems, I'm
sure, but it was also from thegabapentin that they were giving

(02:28:05):
the patients. My liver was 30pounds overweight. I've been on
my own a lot and repairingmyself a little bit at a time,
researching on my own, due towhere I live and lack of
resources. And I think I'm doingpretty good all things
considered, but I'm stillhealing. And to me, it's very

(02:28:27):
important that we fix the issuenot just with us, the humans,
with our gut biome, with thelivers, cut down on the chronic
illness and disease, look at thevaccines, but also look at the
animals.
My grandpa was a rancher, and hewas healthy, and he lived a
really long time. In fact, hehad cows until he was 94 when we

(02:28:50):
told him, okay. You're gettingtoo old. No more cows. You know?
And so I've been trying to makeit, habit of coming when I see
Brianna and listening andsharing this with all my
ranching family and friends,West River. I have quite a few
of them in hopes that they willget on board so that we can help
fix this problem on our ownlocal level. And I just wanna

(02:29:13):
tell you guys, I reallyappreciate that you're all
collaborating together because Ido feel it's important. We gotta
worry about the biome. We gottaworry about the chronic illness.
We gotta worry about the liver.And if our meat is contaminated
or is not doing well because ofeverything we've been using in,
you know, the fields and puttingon our food and what we're

(02:29:37):
giving them, that's not gonna dous any good. So I just wanted to
say how much I appreciate whatyou guys are all doing, and I'm
trying to do what little bit Ican on my end. Thank you very
much.

Speaker 2 (02:29:49):
Thank you, Melissa, and we appreciate you too. Go
ahead, captain. Welcome to thestage.

Speaker 15 (02:29:55):
Alright. Thank you. Thanks for having me up. And,
doctor Kat, practice my Italianwhenever I can. But thank you
for guys for having me up.
Thank you. One of my questionsgoing back to the COVID nineteen
and the whole pandemic was a lotof people gloss over this,

(02:30:16):
coming from a background ofbeing a former drug rep with a
big big pharma company. Iappreciate this, type of level
is the PCR test and how it wasused as a gateway to get people
to buy into this whole COVIDnineteen bullshit. The PCR test,
Carrie Mullis invented it. Itwas not specifically being used,

(02:30:39):
meant to be used for virologytesting, especially on this
level.
There's an amplification. Idon't wanna get into too much
clinical detail. You doctors canunderstand this, what I'm
talking about. But I'd like toget your opinions on this of,
like, if we are to have a testto test for virology and a so
called COVID flu test, whatwould you recommend and as well

(02:31:01):
as your thoughts on the misuseof the p r PCR test, Ayil.

Speaker 9 (02:31:06):
It was never meant to diagnose disease. So it never
should have been used inasymptomatic people, period.
They went looking for things andthen to the point that you said

Speaker 1 (02:31:20):
Amen.

Speaker 9 (02:31:21):
When you overcycle the test, you can make positives
out of nothing. You can makepositives, which is why the
false positive rate was so veryhigh.

Speaker 2 (02:31:35):
Yeah. This is this is a point of contention that I've
had for quite some time, andI've wondered there has to be
better methods of testing. Andand that's exactly what I'm
talking about in terms ofprotocol and policy. Is there, I
mean, would you guys recommend adifferent type of test? And how
do we get there?
How do we get there faster? Howdo we prioritize, you you know,

(02:31:59):
making sure that there'sactually a Veriologic, if I'm
saying that correctly, jump. Youknow, like, for for example,
with h five n one, I find itincredibly problematic that it's
being it's being used at a 40cycle threshold to test, you
know, milk from dairy cow, forexample. But they have

Speaker 9 (02:32:22):
overcycling again. They're looking for it as
opposed to, looking at animalswho are showing symptoms or
they've stopped producing orsome type of a clinical sign
that they're not doing well,then there would be a reason to
test an animal with a normalcycle threshold. But don't go

(02:32:42):
looking for it. That'sridiculous.

Speaker 2 (02:32:45):
Well, and two points on that just really quickly. So
we have entire herds that arePCR negative even at that 40
cycle threshold that have yet tobe released from quarantine. And
and so here's the other part ofthat, which is, you know, like
with, Mark McAfee, they sent offthe the milk samples that had
originally come back positive atthat 40 cycle threshold. And

(02:33:09):
they they sent it off for an eggbroth culture, which was to
determine if there was actuallyany viable, sequences within
that sample. Right?

Speaker 3 (02:33:19):
And Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:33:21):
Yeah. The which means, you know, can Can it
grow? Found in Yeah. Right. Whatthey found in that sample?
Can it right. Can it actuallycause infection? Yeah. And and
they never released those testresults to him, the state of
California that is. Excuse me.
So so not only are we havingtest results withheld, by

(02:33:42):
centralized, you know, nationalveterinary lab network, but then
when herds are coming back asbeing negative on PCR, they're
not being released. And thatthat just seems like, that seems
like a bit of overkill if youask me.

Speaker 9 (02:33:59):
It's they're kidnapping your animals.

Speaker 6 (02:34:01):
Yeah. This is Merrill. Let me just say that
this is not about that the thetest is wrong. This is about
that there's a political policyand that they are using these
tests in ways to support theirpolicies. So the the problem I
mean, there's a there's a valuein PCR tests when they're done
correctly and you know how tointerpret them, but they haven't

(02:34:25):
been done correctly for forCOVID, and they aren't being
done correctly for bird flubecause the, you know, the
government wants cases.
And so they're desperatelylooking for cases, and it's been
very hard for them to to growthe virus. And, I'm not even
sure if they do it at the levelof the state. They may only do
it at the FDA or the USDA labs.There are there are at least a

(02:34:49):
couple of months ago, there wereonly three labs in the country
that were confirming bird flucases. So they could do a PCR
test, and if they got apositive, they were supposed to
send it off for a second test.
And then if it was in a person,they're supposed to send it off
for a third test and really makesure that they're they got the
diagnosis right. So you mayremember, they said that there

(02:35:12):
was a girl, a child inCalifornia with bird flu. That
was a test at the level of thecounty. The state repeated a
test, said no. The kid wasnegative, but they didn't wanna
let it go, So they kept it inthe media.
Finally, they did a third testat the CDC or FDA, and they said
no. It's not bird flu. It's someother kind of influenza. Now so

(02:35:37):
they're testing people for justregular influenza a first. And
in the case of this child,because the family drank raw
milk, that was the narrativethat they wanted to spread.
You know, child drinks raw milk,gets very sick from the raw
milk, and has bird flu. Well,they had to let it go. But how
many people heard a week laterthat the child tested negative

(02:36:01):
and how many you know, it wasbig news in the media when they
thought when they claimed shewas positive with just a really
crummy test. So I guess so letme just repeat that it's not the
test that's at fault. It's thepolitical policy that is driving
what tests are being done andhow they're being interpreted.
And until we have, you know,governments that are actually

(02:36:23):
responsive to the people and notto a few select, special
interests, you know, we're notgonna be able to solve this
problem. And we have to hopethat in six days when Trump
comes in that we're gonna have awhole bunch of new people, and,
hopefully, we're gonna be ableto get something done about
this.

Speaker 15 (02:36:42):
Doctor Mary, I I definitely appreciate what you
said, and I agree with a lot, ormost. I just will say that the
actual inventor of the test,Carrie Mullis, actually said.

Speaker 6 (02:36:52):
I believe me. I I know all about

Speaker 4 (02:36:54):
the test and our test. I don't

Speaker 15 (02:36:56):
I don't need to be of of of Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:36:59):
Alternative yeah.

Speaker 15 (02:36:59):
You got it. You get it. I

Speaker 6 (02:37:01):
get it. Believe me. I really I I really

Speaker 15 (02:37:04):
doctor. Hey. Former drug rep. I'm I'm yield near to
your expert opinion.

Speaker 6 (02:37:07):
I edited the, the citizen petition claiming that
the PCR test was doneincorrectly that was sent to FDA
before they rolled out thevaccines. The the it was written
by, Simhang Lee, who has a PCRand a sequencing lab in
Connecticut, and I was hiseditor. So, I know a lot about

(02:37:30):
this. And, the PCR test, see,it's it's very hard to grow
viruses and expensive. So youhave to do a cheaper test at
first to look for things and,you know, a screening test, and
PCR has become the screeningtest.
And then you have then if youreally wanna confirm it, you
have to do other tests. You alsohave to use the right reagents.

(02:37:54):
You have to use the right cyclethreshold. There are studies
that have been published thatshowed for PCR tests for COVID,
you could get many orders ofmagnitude different. If you
tested the same person and youdid it with two different labs
or with two different reagents,the FDA actually gave EUAs to

(02:38:17):
almost 300 different differentPCR tests for COVID.

Speaker 15 (02:38:25):
Yeah. I

Speaker 9 (02:38:25):
I And some of those were being produced by Chinese
illegal labs here in The UnitedStates

Speaker 6 (02:38:31):
in California. Produced in China, but they use
different different primers,different probes. I was calling
some of the big companies at thetime, I mean, back in 2020, and
saying, what what primer, whatprobe, you know, what are your
reagents, because I had learnedthat those were important
working with Sinhang Li, andthey wouldn't tell you. So the

(02:38:53):
FDA just basically said let herrip. They did not compare the
one test to the other.
They offered a voluntary, test.If you wanted, you could do a
test where the FDA would sendyou samples and you'd run them
on your PCR, and then you'd givethe results back to the FDA and
they, you know, tell you whetheryou were right or not. But it

(02:39:17):
was voluntary and only arelatively few, companies did
that with their tests. So wehave no you have no idea when
you go in for PCR test, youknow, whether the technician
knows what they're doing, whichmachine they're doing it on,
which which cassette they'reusing. As I said, it could be
one of hundreds, and whatreagents and the whole bit.

(02:39:39):
So it's it's it's crazy, and thegovernment doesn't want us to to
be aware of these things. But atthe same time, I I have I mean,
PCR can be very, very valuable.If you were dealing I'm an
anthrax expert. If you weredealing with a sudden onset of
people getting anthrax, youcould do a PCR test. And within

(02:40:01):
relatively few hours, you couldfind out with a high, you know,
a high probability that you'reright, you know, whether it's
anthrax by doing that.
And if you tried to grow it in alab, it would take several days.
So there are I I just don't wantdon't throw away the baby with
the bathwater. It's it's reallybad public health, bad

(02:40:23):
government that has beenmisusing these tests.

Speaker 9 (02:40:25):
Doctor Merrill, how do we ever how do we ever trust
the system to run them properlyagain?

Speaker 6 (02:40:31):
Well, hopefully I mean, if Bobby Kennedy gets in
there and he has the rightadvisers, then these are all
things that are not that hard tofix. You just stop paying for
you know, you stop allowingreimbursements for tests that
haven't proven themselves or forways of using them that are
wrong. And as soon as the, labsdon't get paid, they will stop

(02:40:51):
using the test or they'll usethem correctly. The CDC directed
these labs to do the testswrong. They told them use a
cycle threshold of 40, which isridiculous.

Speaker 9 (02:41:02):
That was doctor Fauci. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:41:03):
No. That was CDC. I mean, I don't know if Fauci told
CDC to do it, but I read the CDCguidance that said that. And FDA
gave out EUAs, which meant we'renot responsible. We haven't
checked your test.
We're giving you an EUA because,you know, we're in an emergency
situation, so just run yourtests and call it good. So, you

(02:41:26):
know, we can't have thatanymore. The agents now that
the, what's it called, Chevrondeference is gone. The Supreme
Court had said previously,basically, that the agencies the
the federal agencies would havedeference when it came to
arguments about technicalarguments like the science. So

(02:41:49):
for example, when I was involvedin the case, we we got I would
work with people who got thelicense removed for anthrax
vaccine back twenty years ago,and, the government appealed.
And when we went to appeal, wewe made our arguments, and the
first judge, you know, listenedto our arguments. The second
judge said, no. FDA hasdeference because of this legal

(02:42:13):
doctrine that's just beenoverturned last summer. She
said, we're we're not gonnalisten to your scientific
arguments about the anthraxvaccine. The FDA has the right
to make these decisions even ifit goes against all their rules
and regulations.
And so, FDA wins. You know,we're throwing the case out.
Basically, we're throwing ourour point of view out. So that's

(02:42:37):
what happened for forty years.We had judges doing that, and
now the Supreme Court has toldthem not to, that the agencies
don't necessarily havedeference.
So all of these rules andregulations that have been
rolled out by federal agencieswhen they thought they were safe
are now open to being,reinterpreted. And if we have
the right people in theagencies, say, look. Well, what

(02:43:01):
have they done over the lastfive or ten years? What what
rule or more than that, youknow, which rules and
regulations have they rolled outthat maybe weren't a good idea?
Let's we don't need congress topass a law.
We can just change them at thelevel of the agency. It's it's a
a much quicker way to getsomething done. And, you know,
we're we desperately are hopingthat the, secretary of

(02:43:24):
agriculture is gonna be on ourside. Her name is Brooke
Rollins, and nobody knows athing about her because since
she, lived on a farm as a child,she doesn't and got a degree in
agriculture in college. But thenshe got a law degree, and she
had nothing to do withagriculture.
And now it's thirty years later,and she's going to be the
secretary of agriculture. Andwe're we desperately wanna get

(02:43:46):
to her and talk to her about ourissues. But nobody knows who,
you know, who is gonna bewhispering in her ear and
whether it's going to be, youknow, big big ag, big chemical,
you know, big pesticide.

Speaker 15 (02:44:02):
So so we're not gonna get Thomas Massie and Joel
Salatin? That sucks.

Speaker 6 (02:44:06):
So you're not getting Thomas Massie as a secretary
because she's been nominated.She was nominated couple months
ago. Joel Salatin, was only gowant was only interested in a
part time advisory position, andwe don't know whether he will
be,

Speaker 15 (02:44:25):
I gotcha.

Speaker 6 (02:44:27):
Asked to do that.

Speaker 15 (02:44:30):
Hey. Thank you. I I really appreciate your open and
thorough frank opinion on thePCR test and all about that. And
I agree with you. I mean,there's some merits to the PCR
test.
That's why it was invented. Ijust was noting that the
inventor of it, you know,literally said it wasn't meant.
It it it could be misused. Youknow, there's there's margins of

(02:44:50):
error.

Speaker 6 (02:44:50):
Absolutely. There's there's a lot of a lot of
issues. You

Speaker 15 (02:44:53):
get it.

Speaker 6 (02:44:54):
It's not straightforward.

Speaker 15 (02:44:55):
You getting that because I'm so used to talking
to doc you know, some doctors onthat are just worried about I,
I'm gonna be honest with youabout keeping their state
licenses, and they don't wannatalk. Would they push the
vaccine on people without eventrue scrutiny? Yeah. I yield
there.

Speaker 6 (02:45:12):
Right. Yes. I am unlicensed as a result of all
this, but it's okay.

Speaker 15 (02:45:20):
I literally had doctors that I called on, and I
questioned them about that. Andthey said, you know, my first
name, and they said, listen. Youknow, I'm in the Northeast and,
like, I wanna keep my licensefor next year and I and I I
literally, I just shook my headbecause I just thought it is I'm
sorry. I'm somebody who lost myjob and a career because I would

(02:45:42):
not get the vaccine because Iworked within big pharma. I was
not gonna do that.
I was not gonna yield to myprinciples. Here, I was trained
by big pharma to read clinicalstudies and and and use it to my
expertise, and they still wantedme to get the to get to get the
clock shot. So, yeah, I yield.

Speaker 2 (02:46:00):
Yeah. The these are the problematic oh, sorry,
doctor Hazan. Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (02:46:05):
No. I was gonna say, but not everybody is the same.
Right? Then I think we have torespect those that are not as
courageous to give up theircareer and give up their
license. And, listen, havingseen both sides during the
pandemic and having seen myfriends you know, one of my
friend, doctor Jackie Stone,supposedly killed herself.

(02:46:27):
You know? And who's taking careof her kids? You know? She did
the right thing by saving lives,but at the end of the day, she's
not here to take care of herkids. You know?
And at the end of the day, whenyou lose your license, you're
really not really good. Youknow? Yes. You can speak about
all this, but it'd be better to,like, have a license to keep

(02:46:47):
helping people and helping someon other things than COVID.
Right?
So, I mean, imagine a worldwhere we just say, you know
what? The doctors were all, youknow, unethical and they didn't
treat, and therefore, we shouldget rid of all the surgeons.
Well, who's gonna take care ofan appendicitis in the middle of
the night? You know? I think wehave to respect those doctors
who, you know, didn't have thecourage.

(02:47:11):
And I think we need people likeme, Kat, those doctors that had
the courage need to set anexample to the other doctors,
and we need to encourage them.We can't continue beating them
up. I think we need to bringback our doctors to to be
artists in medicine again and torealize that's what they went

(02:47:33):
into medicine, for the art ofmedicine. And and, really,
that's that's my role. My roleis to bring those doctors that
didn't have the courage and givethem courage.
And I think we all need to dothat, especially in the new era.
We we need doctors.

Speaker 15 (02:47:49):
Absolutely, doctor Marilyn. I meant no disrespect
there. And what I raised interms of my challenging was
during the height of the COVIDwhere there was so much
confusion and contention andjust so much heat of, like, you
know, you're scratching yourhead, like, how the hell this
can this be? You know? So yeah.
But I

Speaker 6 (02:48:08):
understand Right.

Speaker 15 (02:48:09):
Long run.

Speaker 6 (02:48:10):
I was scratching my head too. Believe me.

Speaker 3 (02:48:14):
I I think we all were. Right? I mean, I think,
you know, the those of us andand listen. There's a lot of
doctors that are not vocal, butthat did the right thing and
that were silent about it.Right?
Because they didn't wanna losetheir license. Right? But they
didn't speak about it, but theystill did the right thing. I
think we're we're gonna see achange. I think this, you know,

(02:48:37):
woke up a lot of people.
You know, my my whole community,I I lost my privileges, during
the pandemic because I wouldn'tfollow the narrative, and I was
actually challenging thenarrative. And, actually, when
people asked me, like you, bythe way, I come from a pharma
you know, having done clinicaltrials for pharma. And, someone

(02:48:57):
said, well, how come you didn'tjust line up and take the shot?
I said, frankly, I don't trustpharma. That's why I do clinical
trials, to see the data myself.
That's why I go to a probioticcompany and analyze the
probiotics. You know? I'm just Idon't trust. And at the end of
the day, it's my body, and Igotta make sure that I'm doing
the right thing for my body. Andeven if I don't do the right

(02:49:19):
thing, it's ultimately mychoice, freedom of choice.
That's what I'm pushing for. Youknow, it's a tough, tough
situation, for the doctors. Youknow, I you all probably saw the
whole test you know, testimonyon Joe Rogan of Mel Gibson when
he was talking about his threefriends that, that had terminal

(02:49:41):
cancer. And, actually, I knowone of the patients. And, in
fact, it is true, you know, andI actually collected the stools
before and after.
But here's the thing, thispatient got everything. Okay?
So, you know, ivermectin,fenbendazole, you name it, he
got it. At the end of the day,you have to kinda say, okay.

Speaker 15 (02:50:03):
Well get any pharmaceutical immunotherapy as
well?

Speaker 3 (02:50:06):
Oh, yeah. He he got everything.

Speaker 15 (02:50:07):
Like a like a Keytruda or something

Speaker 3 (02:50:09):
like that? He got everything. He got everything,
this guy. So the question thenbecomes and then he and now he's
in remission. Okay?
But here's the thing. But by theway, Keytruda done great for
some patients, but then, youknow, doesn't last. Right? So,
it it's all science. It's allresearch.

(02:50:31):
It's all what we're seeing. Howmany doctors are gonna jump up
and say, let's give ivermectinand fenbendazole. Right? They're
not because there's no data.Nobody's writing the data.
Even if I tell you tonight,listen. One of the patients, I
know him, it doesn't meananything until it's written and

(02:50:51):
it's valid. It's been verifiedby a peer review that it's real
by a regulatory board and thatsomebody else reproduced it.
That one doctor is treating withone protocol means nothing, and
I'm being as objective aspossible as a physician. Even if
I tell you when I tell you lossof bifidobacteria and autism, I

(02:51:14):
said that because I also saw itin doctor Adam's study.
The fact that his study validhis study validates my study.
All research needs to be valid,verified, and reproducible until
we have reproducibility. And itmight take a long time to get
these doctors to havereproducibility. Listen. The
first time that somebody didfecal transplant on a patient

(02:51:38):
for c diff was doctor Einsman inthe fifties.
Okay? And he did two enemas onpatients with c diff, and he saw
they improved. But it didn'ttake until, like, doctor Barodi
in the eighties started doing alot of fecal transplant, then he
published a lot, and then otherdoctors started paying

(02:51:58):
attention. And myself, it wasn'tuntil one of my patients was
dying, you know, a coupledecades ago that I called my
friend Neil Stollman. I said,how do you do this fecal
transplant?
Because my patient's dying. Letme try everything. And I did it
and he improved, and that wasreproducibility. And that's how

(02:52:19):
we advance science. And nowguess what?
Fecal transplant for c diff ispart of the guidelines. But we
need to do all these steps toget to the guidelines. And, yes,
all of us who say something nowon ivermectin and fedadamizole
or ivermectin increasingbifidobacteria, we're looked
upon as we're the biggestfruitcakes ever. But guess what?

(02:52:42):
Eventually, it's gonna bevalidated.
It's gonna be reproducible. Ithink that's the importance of
research. So we need to we needto hold the hands of all these
doctors. I understand. I I'm acow I'm a cowgirl, so that's
probably why I'm involved withthe ranchers.
You know? I'm out there. Like,if everybody's going to the
right, I'm going as far left aspossible just to avoid everybody

(02:53:04):
and to find the shortcut to themountain. But not everybody's
like that. Right?
So, anyways, I'm sorry to haveinterjected. I feel it's an
important we need to bring backour doctors.

Speaker 4 (02:53:17):
I actually agree with you, Sabine. A lot of times I'll
go into spaces and there is, youknow I I get the anger. I get
the, lack of trust. I get allthat. But, you know, I I feel
exactly like you're there aremany colleagues who have done
the right thing.
They were not in a place tospeak out. There are some that

(02:53:40):
are still not getting it. And, Ifeel that our job is to really
restore trust in medicine, butI'll also, reach out to our
doctors and kind of bring themto this new, life, you know, new
reality of where we are.Because, you know, you can talk

(02:54:02):
about making America healthyagain and talk about fruit loops
and all that, but there's a lotof things happening in this
world, and every new vaccinethat's coming up is gonna be on
mRNA platform. And we need toopen the eyes of our colleagues
to see the damage has been done,is gonna continue going on
unless we address some of thesemajor issues.

(02:54:25):
So thank you for saying that. Ithink it's really important.

Speaker 3 (02:54:29):
Yeah. And thank you for supporting. I mean, listen.
Not, you know, so many doctors.I mean, look at Mary still
fighting for her license.
Look at Peter McCullough losthis his, boards. Pierre Kory. I
mean, you know, Paul Merrick. Imean, those poor guys, they did
the right thing, but look atwhere they're at now. You know,
it's, you know, it's a shame.
It's a shame. And and,unfortunately, they're they're

(02:54:52):
role models of what not of notgoing against the narrative. You
know what I mean? It's only afew of us are still frankly
standing, you know, but I thinkwe definitely need the box. We
need to convince them.

Speaker 2 (02:55:07):
And we need to convince

Speaker 3 (02:55:08):
the doctors to to support RFK. That's what we need
too.

Speaker 2 (02:55:13):
Yeah. They they they turn them into a warning to
every other doctor. Right? Theymade an example out of them,
and, and we're having the samething within the ranching
community. So, honestly, inorder to preserve individualism
and consumer choice, there isdefinitely a clear role that
each of us plays.

(02:55:34):
Right? And and there's animportance for this connection.
We have been in here, though,for three hours, and I I again,
I wanna be respectful of yourguys' time. And, I have to hit
the hey soon here. It's 11:00central time.
But I I just wanna say, youknow, each and every one of you
are so incredibly important.We're so grateful for all of

(02:55:56):
your time and your sacrifices.And, you know, if it wasn't for,
people like doctor Merrill Nassor, you know well, I I won't go
into the full list, but, youknow, if it weren't for those
doctors, right, during COVIDnineteen, I don't think we would
have had the kind of challengethat that that we did. We we

(02:56:19):
wouldn't have had the kind ofpatient advocacy that we saw
and, perhaps, you know, we wouldstill be in lockdown. I don't
know.
You know, the Great Barringtondeclaration was incredibly
important, but we're seeingthis, you know, very similar to,
in other authoritarian, regimes,we're we're seeing this sort of

(02:56:40):
exodus in academia, this sort ofideological priority taking
roots and, taking taking a roleof importance over, you know,
the scientific method and freefreedom of thought, for example,
new concepts. There's thisdefinitely a, a course of nature

(02:57:03):
to following and and getting inline and, you know, sort of just
going along in lockstep. And andI think that is among
everything. Right? That is thething that unites us is our our
desire to see individualismprotected within our country

(02:57:24):
because that is really whatmakes a free society is the
ability to be an individual andnot just a cog in the
collective.
So I appreciate every single oneof you. We're so grateful that
you guys joined us tonight. Wehope that our audience was able
to get some importantinformation out of this. And,
and and just know that we'retired, but we are fighting so

(02:57:47):
hard and so diligently to changethese policies that have
created, such a hostileenvironment towards, you know,
things that make sense. Actualactual evidence based medicine,
for example, being chief amongthem.
But, you know, just the theconnection between the

(02:58:07):
microbiome and the, you know,and the rapid rate of which
we're losing our farms. Youknow, there's gotta be a
connection or there thereprobably is likely a connection
between the rate at which we'relosing our microbiome and we're
losing the family farm. And Ithink it is this lack of
connection with nature and andour lack of, getting you know?

(02:58:29):
We need to get back to thesource of the seed as, Texas
Slim likes to say. And and wecan all we can all begin that
transformative process bystarting, at the first step,
which is shaking your rancher'shand.
So we highly encourage you guysto check out our beef maps. Go
online. Find your local rancher.Get to know them. Know your cow.

(02:58:53):
Right? And engage in theprocess. Either buy a quarter, a
half, a whole, animal, buy fivechickens, and and enter into a
herd share where your localfarmer raises them for you, and
you get to go check up on themand see how they're doing and
become part of that process ofliving a more intentional life
and taking responsibility andself custodying your own health

(02:59:16):
care. And so the these are allof the things that we are
working and collaboratingtowards, and we thank each and
every one of you for being partof that collaborative process.

Speaker 1 (02:59:29):
Yeah. Thank you so much, Brianna. Thank you all for
joining us, doctor Kat Lindley,doctor Griffith, doctor Meryl
Ness, and, of course, doctorSabine Hazan. Your work is
tremendously important. It addsa tremendous amount of value to
the beef industry, to the beefinitiative.

(02:59:52):
We're not just out here slangingsteaks. Right? We are up against
the entire world. Farmers andranchers are among the highest
rates of suicide in thiscountry. We've lost.
We're losing about a 40,000family farms every five years.

(03:00:14):
You'll see up in the notesabove, a couple posts I wanna
bring to your attention. Thefirst one is, of course, I am
Texasslim.org. We could not doany of this without the support
from our community. We don'thave corporate backers.
We are not part of the onehealth initiative. We are

(03:00:37):
forging our own way here, and weare made up of farmers and
ranchers, policy partners, and,advocates. Right? So, please
visit IamTexasslim.org. Make adonation today.
We have a new website launching,hopefully in February. We have a
big campaign running right now.It's called savebeef.org. You

(03:01:02):
can see up in the post that Imade that, up until recently,
beef.com was owned by PETA. Theytook over the website in
02/2004, so twenty years hasgone by.
I think I did the math a littlebit. It's late. It's about
midnight where I am, but we havelost about 700,000 family farms,

(03:01:28):
a lot of them beef producerssince PETA has taken over
beef.com. So I wanna encourageyou all to join us on this next
leg of our journey in creating atruly decentralized food system,
health system, and medicalsystem where we are informed by
our local biomes, by the cow'sbiome, by everything that is

(03:01:52):
good and pure in this world thatwe are fighting for. So you can
help us with donations atIamTexasSlim.org.
Visit savebeef.org. Sign thatNDA. Don't be scared now. Okay?
Sign that NDA.
Join us in the next leg of thisjourney. If we lose this thing,
well, maybe Peter will get itagain. Right? So let's make sure

(03:02:14):
that doesn't happen, and wecontrol the narrative of what
beef is for

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