Beer N Gear AI Edition

John's Gear

Mic - Rode XDM-100 https://rode.com/en-us/microphones/usb/xdm-100?srsltid=AfmBOooDOwpM2HQeVpU0pcwZW-0xY6zPK9U35adkm1Tdj6IeWpH2KkQd

Shock mount - Rode PSM1 https://rode.com/en-us/accessories/shock-mounts/psm1?srsltid=AfmBOorDku_THsyJnDym1JU_hJXfCmUNL0148qu_ffGI3rXuvo6uVR8q

Stand - Gator Frameworks GFW-MIC-0821 - https://gatorco.com/product/compact-base-bass-drum-and-amp-mic-stand-gfw-mic-0821/

Interface - Rodecaster Duo https://rode.com/en-us/interfaces-and-mixers/rodecaster-series/rodecaster-duo?variant_sku=RCDUO

John's Rig

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-I4oK_zkvskQI56PrQx-tUbsHW_n0AQJ/view?usp=drive_link

Kris' Gear

Interface - AudioSigma Podmobile https://audiosigma.com/podmobile/

Mic - ElectroVoice RE 20 https://products.electrovoice.com/na/en/re20-black/

Shock mount - Auray SSM-BC10 https://www.aurayaudio.com/product/7042/Auray-SSM_BC10-Microphone-Suspension-Shockmount-(Black-Matte)

Stand - Rode PSA1+ https://rode.com/en-us/accessories/stands-bars/psa1-plus?variant_sku=PSA1+

Kris's Rig

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-Dc6LKni2-2pAC5Hhh7vTH86hs1q7_cd/view?usp=sharing

Opening intro and outro "Lets Run for It" by the Denotes https://www.free-stock-music.com/the-denotes-let-us-run-for-it.html

Brought to you by the Magic Number 33 and 42 "THE" answer to life, the universe, and everything!

How can you tell the Sound Guy's kid at the playground? They're the one sitting off to the side watching everyone else have fun.

Episode Transcript

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Hey, everybody. Welcome to beer and gear. This is a special AI edition. I'll be flying solo
for the show. What we have for you tonight is we took the transcript from our very first
episode and we fed that into Google's notebook LM. From there, it created its own podcast

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that is a summary of that very first show. And we definitely got some interesting results.
From there, we took the transcript of its creation, fed it back into itself, and got
a second summary of that is a summary of their summary. Again, interesting results. And then
we took one last time and fed it back in and got a third episode from them that is a summary

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of the summary. And you'll have to wait and see what we got from that one. So sit back,
relax. Some of this will just be refresher. If you've been with us from the beginning,
if not, you may still find this enjoyable. And when we get to the end, I will give you

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some insights on what they got right and what they got wrong. Welcome to a deep dive. We're
kicking things off with Beer and Gear, a brand new show. Oh, sounds intriguing. What's the
focus? It's all about that awesome mix of tech and well, beer. So like gadgets and brews.

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I'm in. You got it. And our guides for this deep dive, John Redferring and Chris Kincaid,
they worked together at Pine Cove, been friends forever. And well, they bring that awesome
buddy energy to their shared love for all things tech. It's always cool to see how
friendships fuel passion projects. What's the format like? They're giving us the inside
scoop. We're talking origin stories in both beer and tech, a peek at their gear setups

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and even a glimpse into their plans for the show. Like a behind the scenes look at how
a podcast takes shape. Exactly. All right. Let's jump into episode one. And they kick
things off, fittingly, with the Modela Negra. Classic. John mentions it's a tad darker than
he anticipated. Happens to the best of us, stepping outside the comfort zone. Right.
Now for a little fun, they share their first beer stories. John's is pretty standard Corona

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and lime. A solid start. But Chris, he went straight for Natty Light. Whoa, straight to
the hardcore stuff. College budget. Yeah. Makes you wonder how those different approaches
play out in their tech choices, too. Great point. Speaking of college, Chris mentions
his time at Oklahoma Baptist University was a bit limited in the beer department. Oh,
tell me about it. Apparently parties mostly had that weaker 3.2% beer. Yikes. So they'd

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make epic road trips to Texas for Shinerbach. Yeah, that's dedication. And the funny thing,
now he loves Shinerbach. It's like our tastes change over time. Makes you wonder what tech
they thought was meh back then. Yeah. That they now swear by. Totally. OK, beer talk
aside, let's talk gear. Chris has been in IT at Pineco for 18 years. Wow, a veteran.

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And he's got this growing passion for AV. That's audio visual tech for anyone new to
the lingo. You got it. Looks like John's gonna be hitting him up with all sorts of IT questions.
I bet. They even shared a story about this feelings chair in their office. A feelings
chair. OK, I'm all ears. Apparently it was the designated spot for when tech issues got
so bad, you just needed to vent. Oh, we all have those moments. What's the chair got to

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do with it? Well, John decided to make that chair his desk chair. Oh, no. Talk about tempting
fate. Right. I could just imagine the close calls with coffee spills and sudden system
crashes. OK, so we've got the office antics down. Now, what about the gear they're using
for this episode? Both are rocking the Rodecaster Pro 2 and Shure SM7B microphones. Professional

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grade stuff. Sounds like their series about quality audio. Did they say anything about
their plans for future recordings? They mentioned things might change a bit as they move to
remote recording. Life happens, you know, families work commitments. It's a challenge
for sure. Keeping things consistent while life throws curveballs. Now, get this. Chris
has a surprisingly tricked out home setup. Really? What's he working with? He even has

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his own Rodecaster Pro 2. No way. Yeah, though he hasn't actually produced anything with
it yet. And this guy's got mics for days. I'm picturing a wall of microphone. An Electrovoice
RE320, a Hale PR40. He's even had a Shure SM7B and an Electrovoice RE27ND in the past.
Looks like he enjoys experimenting, finding the perfect setup. Where is he planning to

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go? He's thinking about his closet. Closet? For the best sound padding. Dedication. I
get it. Podcasters often go to great lengths for optimal sound. Totally. Now, for mic arms,
Jon prefers the Elgato Wave. Hey, that worked. It's nice and compact, unlike the bulkier
Rode PSA1. Space saving is always a plus. Right. They both seem pretty happy with the

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Rodecaster Pro 2, though. Why is that? They love the individual faders, assignable buttons,
and that it can handle multiple microphones. That's pretty versatile. What else? They mentioned
a recent addition of a second USB channel, which opens up even more possibilities. Like
what? Now they can use USB mics, like the Rode Potamic USB, or even go wireless. Oh,

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cool. Which wireless mics are they looking at? They mentioned the Rode Wireless J2 or
something similar. Lots of flexibility for different recording styles. What about the
platform they're using? They talked about cleanfeed.net for remote recording. It's known
for high quality audio. I've heard good things about cleanfeed. Is it user friendly? They
have a free tier for basic needs and a pro tier for multi-track recording. Perfect for

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podcasters who are serious about audio, but might not be tech wizards. Any quirks? They
mentioned it works better with Chrome than Safari for Mac users. Good to know. Now, switching
gears a bit, let's talk about Chris's patience. He does seem incredibly calm, especially when
it comes to tech. It's probably all those years of tech support. Tell me about it. Four

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years at Toys R Us, four helping open an Office Max, another stint at Toys R Us, and then
support for Cox Communications. Wow, that's a lot of experience. TV, internet, phone issues,
he's seen it all. And to top it off, he even fielded a support call from Dennis Miller,
the comedian, all the way from Boise, Idaho. You're kidding. What did John say about all

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that experience? He was amazed by Chris's composure. Years on the tech support front
lines definitely have their perks. So what are they using for their everyday tech? Good
question. John's all about Apple, iPhone 13 Pro, and a 14 inch MacBook Pro. Classic
setup for creatives. Makes sense. What about Chris? He's Team Android, a Dell laptop, and

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a Pixel 6 Pro, soon to be upgraded to the Pixel 8. Interesting how their preferences
show up in their tech too. Speaking of setups, for the podcast, he plans to use a Dell 7040
micro, even upgraded it with the PCI SSD and more memory. Wow, he's serious about optimization.
Yeah, but even tech gurus have their moments. He shared a story about his computer totally

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shutting down when he powered on the Rodecaster Pro 2 after the PC. Oh no, I can only imagine.
So much for optimization. Sometimes tech has a mind of its own, even for the pros. He was
laughing about it though, you know, saying even he gets those tech hiccups sometimes.
But back to the show. What did they say about future plans? They hinted at some exciting

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stuff, like new gear and just keeping the format fresh. But what really caught my attention?
Yeah, tell me. They actually want to hear from the listeners. Really? That's cool. They
even encouraged people to send in their AV questions. That's a smart move. It makes the
show more relevant and gets the audience involved. Exactly. Like building a community around
tech and figuring things out together. And then they mentioned something called booster

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grams. Hmm, interesting. What are those? I know, right? Is it like sending them virtual
beers or something? Uh, not quite. Although I'm sure they'd appreciate the gesture. Booster
grams are actually part of this whole podcast 2.0 thing. It's about finding new ways for
listeners to interact with the show. Especially live shows. Exactly. Think of it like sending

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a virtual tip or even asking a question in real time during a recording. So it's more
about real time interaction. Yeah. It's a cool way to make the listening experience
more dynamic and engaging. So they're not just embracing new tech with their recording
setup, but also looking at how to incorporate these innovative podcasting features to connect
with their audience. It's a forward thinking approach and it suggests beer and gear might

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become more than just a show about, well, beer and gear. It could be a platform for
exploring the ever evolving world of audio content creation and how people engage with
it. You know, that makes a lot of sense. This first episode really did feel like more than
just a tech show. It was fun and engaging. I agree. They obviously know their stuff,
but what makes it stand out is they bring their own experiences and personalities into

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the mix. Yeah. It felt very approachable, which I think is important. Tech can be intimidating
for some people. Totally. And they're not afraid to have a little fun with it. You know,
cracking open a beer while they chat. It adds to that casual vibe. It's not just about
information. It's about the enjoyment of learning and exploring new things together. It's like
you're just hanging out with them, listening to a conversation between two friends who

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happen to be passionate about tech. Right. And you can tell they're not putting on a
show or trying to be overly technical. They're just being themselves, sharing their knowledge
and having a few laughs along the way. And they're not afraid to show their vulnerable
side either. Like when Chris talked about his computer crashing when he powered up the
road caster. Yeah. Those little moments make them more human and relatable. It's a good

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reminder that even tech experts have to troubleshoot sometimes. Absolutely. So to recap, we have
two passionate, relatable hosts who are actively engaging with their audience and using their
platform to explore new ideas. And they're having fun while they're at it. I think that's
key. They're not taking themselves too seriously. Exactly. It makes the whole listening experience

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more enjoyable. So what's the biggest takeaway here? Well, besides all the cool tech details.
Yeah. What's the overall message? I think it's that beer and gear is creating a space
for learning, sharing, and most importantly, having fun with technology. Whether you're
a seasoned techie or just starting out, there's something here for everyone. It's a celebration

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of discovery and community all centered around a shared passion for tech. And I'm curious
to see how things evolve as they move to remote recording. That's a good point. It'll be
interesting to see how they adapt and maintain that sense of camaraderie from a distance.
I have a feeling they'll figure it out. They seem pretty resourceful. Maybe they'll even
incorporate some new tech to enhance the remote recording experience. You never know. They're

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clearly open to experimentation. So what we have here is a show that's informative, entertaining,
and constantly evolving. And what I particularly appreciate is their commitment to transparency
and authenticity. They're not afraid to show their process, their struggles, their occasional
tech fails. It makes them more relatable. And it reminds us that we're all on this tech

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journey together, figuring things out as we go. Beer and gear feels like a conversation,
not a lecture. It's about sharing knowledge, having fun, and building a community around
shared interests. Couldn't have said it better myself. So to anyone out there who's even
remotely interested in tech or enjoys a good laugh and a good conversation. Over a beer?
Oh, yeah. Definitely the beer. I highly recommend checking out Beer and Gear. You might just

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discover your new favorite podcast. And imagine if they took it a step further. What if we
could actually see them too? Oh, like video. Exactly. Imagine seeing their gear setups,
their beer choices, their reactions in real time. It'd be like, like we're right there
with them. Exactly. Imagine John cracking a joke while Chris is adjusting his mic all
while they're nerding out about the latest tech. That would be awesome. And the possibilities

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for audience interaction, live Q&A sessions, real time feedback on their gear, maybe even
virtual cheers with our beers. Now you're talking. It would totally transform the show
from a podcast into a truly interactive experience, blurring the lines between podcasting and
live streaming. Yeah, exactly. It's a pretty exciting thought and it shows how open they

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are to pushing boundaries and exploring new ways to connect with their audience. So we
don't know what the future holds for Beer and Gear, but one thing's for sure. They're
going to keep things interesting. Absolutely. They're not afraid to experiment, innovate
and keep things fresh, which means for listeners, it's going to be a fun ride. You got it. They've
created a show that's both informative and entertaining and that passion for tech. It's

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contagious. It really is. And that authenticity they bring, it's refreshing. They're not afraid
to show their process, their struggles, even the occasional tech fail. Exactly. It makes
them more relatable and reminds us that we're all in this together, figuring things out
as we go. It's like they're saying, Hey, we're just a couple of guys who love tech and we
want to share that love with you. And a beer or two along the way. I think that's what

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makes Beer and Gear so special. It's a conversation, not a lecture. It's about sharing knowledge,
having fun, building a community. And who knows, maybe even inspiring others to explore
their own tech passions. Exactly. So to anyone out there who's even remotely curious about
tech or just enjoys a good conversation between two friends, I highly recommend checking out
Beer and Gear. Couldn't agree more. You might just discover your new favorite podcast and

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hey, who knows, maybe you'll even be inspired to grab a beer and tinker with your own tech
setup. Cheers to that. And to John and Chris for creating such an engaging and entertaining
show. We can't wait to see what they come up with next. So keeping you out for Beer
and Gear and until next time, stay geeky. Welcome to another deep dive. Always a pleasure.

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So today we're going to be looking at the first episode of Beer and Gear. Beer and Gear.
Yeah. So this new show with John Redfuring and Chris Kincaid. Oh, okay. I'm intrigued
already. Yeah. They're both big into tech and obviously big into beer, as the name might
suggest. Well, you got my attention with the beer for sure. Yeah. So they kind of just

(14:39):
jump right in and they each start with a Modela Negra. And John even mentions that it's a
lot darker than he thought it was going to be. Really? Yeah. And it got me thinking about
like what people's first beers were. Oh, yeah. Like what did I have? What was my first beer
experience? You know, totally. Turns out John's first beer was a Corona and Lime. Classic.

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Yeah. Very, very standard. Yeah. But Chris went straight for the Natty Light. Oh, Natty
Light. Yeah. And he was talking about how it was really just a college budget thing.
Yeah. Makes sense. But, you know, it's kind of interesting, like how those early experiences
kind of shape our tastes for things. I mean, it makes sense. Yeah. You know, those first

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impressions definitely stick with you. Yeah. And he was saying how he went to Oklahoma
Baptist University and apparently they mostly had that weaker 3.2 percent beer at parties.
Wow. Yeah. So they used to actually road trip to Texas just to get Shiner Bach. Oh, wow.
Dedicated. Yeah. And now it's one of his favorites. Interesting. Yeah. It's kind of funny how these

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things evolve, right? Yeah. You know, it makes you think about all those those pieces of
tech that maybe we dismissed years ago, but now we can't live with that. Oh, yeah. Totally.
But can you imagine going back to dial up? Oh, God, no. No, no, no. But speaking of tech,
let's let's get into the gear side of beer and gear. Let's do it. Chris has got like
a really impressive background in IT, like 18 years at Pine Cove. Wow. And and now he's

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been like diving deeper and deeper into this AV technology stuff. AV, you said? Yeah. Audio
video. Yeah. And, you know, working at Pine Cove, they had this this thing called the
Feelings Chair. Feelings Chair. Yeah. It was like this specific chair in their office that
was just designated for like venting about those really frustrating tech issues. Oh,

(16:28):
so like that chair has seen some stuff. Oh, yeah, definitely. And the funny thing is,
is John like ended up adopting that exact same chair as his desk chair, like without
even realizing it. Oh, that's hilarious. I know, right. Wow. But, you know, it kind of
speaks to the humor that they they bring to the show, like they're willing to poke fun
at themselves and those like relatable tech struggles we've all been through. Yeah, totally.

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It makes you feel like they're just like regular people, you know. Yeah, exactly. Not just
some tech gurus living in their ivory towers. OK, so let's get to like their recording setup.
For this first episode, they're both using the Rodecaster Pro 2 with the Shure SM7B microphones.
So top of the line. Yeah. Showing that they're serious about this audio quality stuff right
out of the gate. Yeah. I mean, for a podcast about audio and video, like good audio is

(17:12):
a must. Yeah. But it also makes me think about the fact that they're recording separately.
Right. Like they're already kind of embracing that flexibility. Yeah. That a lot of creators
are moving towards. Yeah, exactly. Makes it so much easier to actually, you know, get
things done. And speaking of setups, Chris has like this crazy home studio. Oh, really?
Yeah. He's got his own Rodecaster Pro 2, although he admits that he hasn't actually produced

(17:35):
anything with it yet. He's probably got grand plans, you know. Oh, yeah, I'm sure. Just
waiting for the right project. But his microphone collection is wild. Really? Yeah. He's got
like an Electro Voice RE320, a Hale PR40. Oh, wow. And he's even owned a Shure SM7B
and an Electro Voice RE27ND in the past. Like this guy's a microphone aficionado. It seems

(17:58):
like it. Wow. And get this, he's planning to like record in his closet for optimal sound
padding. With the lengths we go to for good audio. I know, right? That's dedication, though.
Yeah, it's a pretty good tip for anyone, you know, trying to step up their recording game.
Now, John, he prefers the Elgato Wave mic arm over the bulkier Rode PSA1. Probably for

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the size. Yeah, I'm guessing. Yeah, those Rode arms can get a little unwieldy. But they
both rave about the Rodecaster Pro 2. Yeah, the workhorse. Yeah, the individual faders,
the assignable buttons, being able to handle multiple microphones. Is that out at all?
They even mentioned that there was a recent update that added a second USB channel. Oh,

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wow. I know. So even more possibilities. Yeah, right. Like you could use USB mics now, like
the Rode Podmic USB, or even go wireless with options like the Rode Wireless Joe 2. Yeah,
they're really showing that they're like staying on top of all the latest tech. Yeah. Which,
you know, adds to their credibility. Definitely. Especially in a field like this where things
are changing so quickly. And for remote recording, they're using cleanfeed.net. Clean feed. Yeah,

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it's known for like super high quality audio. And it's got both free and pro tiers. So it's
pretty accessible. Oh, cool. Yeah, they even mentioned that it works better with Chrome
than Safari on Macs. It's those little details, you know? Yeah, it makes them seem more relatable.
Yeah, even tech pros have their preferred workflows. Absolutely. And their occasional
hiccups. Yeah, exactly. But speaking of tech pros, we got to talk about Chris's Patience.

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Oh my god, this guy is a Zen Master. What do you mean? Like John was completely blown
away by how calm he is. Really? Even when things like go wrong. And I think it comes
from all his experience in tech support. Oh yeah, that'll do it. Like this guy spent four
years at Toys R Us, four years helping to open an Office Macs, another stint at Toys
R Us, and then he did support for Cox Communications dealing with TV, internet, phone issues. Oh

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wow, that's like a crash course in Patience. It really is. And it gets even better. He
even fielded a support call from Dennis Miller. Dennis Miller? Yeah, the comedian from Boise,
Idaho. You've got to be kidding me. Nope. Wow, that's a story I need to hear. I know,
right? I wonder if dealing with Dennis Miller prepared him for anything else the tech world
could throw at him. Right, like at that point, nothing can phase you. So after all that,

(20:19):
let's see what kind of tech these guys use on a daily basis. Okay, so John, being the
Apple enthusiast, he uses an iPhone 13 Pro and a 14-inch MacBook Pro. Okay, pretty standard
for creative types. Yeah. But then we have Chris, who's Team Android all the way. Really?
Yeah, he uses a Dell laptop and a Pixel 6 Pro, and he's already planning on upgrading

(20:40):
to the Pixel 8. Wow. He's not wasted any time. It's a good reminder that there's no one right
way to do things, you know? Yeah, totally fine what works for you. Even if you're a
tech expert, you still have your preferences. Absolutely. But even though Chris is like
this tech riz, he's not immune to those frustrating moments we all have. Oh, I know those moments.
Right. So he was talking about his Dell 7040 Micro, which he had souped up with a PCI SSD

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and more memory. Nice. Yeah, but it completely crashed when he turned on his Rodecaster Pro
2 after booting up his PC. Oh no. I know, right? Even the best of us. But the funny
thing is he just laughed it off. You gotta laugh. Otherwise you'll cry. Yeah, it just
shows that even the most experienced tech gurus have their moments. Totally. It makes
them feel more human. Yeah, more relatable for sure. So they hinted at some exciting

(21:29):
things coming up for beer and gear, like new gear and keeping the format fresh. Oh, cool.
But what really stood out to me was their focus on interacting with their listeners.
That's smart. Yeah, they actually encourage people to send in their AV questions. That's
a great way to build a community. Yeah. And people feel like they're part of the show.
Yeah. And then they introduced this concept called Boostergrams. Boostergrams. Yeah. To

(21:52):
understand it, we kind of have to touch on this Podcast 2.0 idea. Okay, jump me in. So
Podcast 2.0 is all about finding new ways for listeners to interact with podcasts, especially
during like live recordings. Oh, interesting. It's about like pushing the boundaries of
what a podcast can be. So it's like more than just listening. Yeah, exactly. More interactive.

(22:14):
Yeah. Huh, I like it. So think of Boostergrams as like virtual tips or a way to ask questions
in real time. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, it makes the listeners feel like they're actually participating
in the show. Yeah, not just passively listening. Yeah. And it's clear that beer and gear is
aiming to be more than just a podcast. Yeah, they want to create a platform. Yeah, for

(22:34):
exploring all this new audio content creation stuff and how to interact with your audience.
That's a bold vision. Yeah. And the first episode definitely gives us a taste of what
they're capable of. Yeah, I'm excited to see where they take it. Me too. It's definitely
a step in the right direction. Yeah. I think they've tapped into something really special
here with this blend of tech and casual conversation. It's like they're saying you don't have to

(22:57):
be an expert to enjoy this world. Yeah, exactly. What do you think? Like what stood out to
you the most about the show? Well, besides the beer, of course. Oh, yeah, of course.
I was struck by their genuine passion for tech and how they weave in their own personal
experiences. Yeah, it makes it so much more relatable. Exactly. It's not just spewing

(23:19):
specs and features. Right. They're sharing those aha moments and even like those frustrating
tech fails. Yeah, like that story about Chris's computer crashing. Oh, yeah. Even with his
super tricked out setup. It happens to the best of us. I know, right? It's a good reminder
that we're all in this together. Yeah. Navigating this ever changing tech world. And sometimes

(23:40):
even the pros need to troubleshoot and laugh it off. Yeah. But through it all, their enthusiasm
for podcasting and this dedication to creating quality content shines through. Yeah. They're
clearly invested in building a community around their shared love for tech. And that's where
I think these booster grams come in. It's such a cool concept. It's really smart. It
shows they're really thinking about the future of podcasting. Yeah, they're not just delivering

(24:03):
content. Right. They're creating an experience. Yeah, they're blurring the lines between traditional
podcasting and live streaming. Yeah. I mentioned tuning into a live episode and being able
to send a virtual tip or ask a question right then and there. It's like building a virtual
pub, you know? Oh, yeah. Where everyone can gather. Share a few beers. Geek out over tech.

(24:25):
I love it. And you know, you can't forget about the beer itself. The real star of the
show. It sets the tone. Creates that relaxed atmosphere. Makes it feel like they're just
hanging out with friends. Yeah. Sharing stories. Having a laugh. Exactly. And that's what makes
beer and gear so unique. It's informative. Entertaining. And most importantly, genuine.
Yeah. They've created a space where tech feels approachable and fun. Even if you're not a

(24:49):
hardcore enthusiast. So what do you think? Like, could this combination of tech expertise
and laid back conversation be the future of online learning? It's an interesting question,
for sure. Like, is this how we're all going to be absorbing information in the years to
come? I mean, we are bombarded with information constantly. Right. So finding ways to make
learning, engaging and enjoyable is more important now than ever. And beer and gear seem to have

(25:15):
found a winning formula. Yeah, they've struck that perfect balance between education and
entertainment. Yeah. It feels like you're learning from friends rather than listening
to a lecture. It's definitely a model worth paying attention to. Especially if you're
thinking about creating your own content. Or just looking for new ways to explore your
passions. So what can we learn from this deep dive into beer and gear? Well, I think the

(25:40):
biggest takeaway is the power of authenticity and passion. Yeah. You can tell that John
and Chris really love what they're doing. And that enthusiasm is contagious. They're
not afraid to be themselves, you know, to share their experiences, both the good and
the bad. And that vulnerability makes them relatable. Yeah. Builds trust with their audience.
They've created a space where tech feels approachable and fun. Yeah. Which is so important in a world

(26:07):
that can feel really intimidating sometimes. Yeah. They're proving that you don't have
to be an expert to appreciate the power of technology. Or to have a voice in the conversation.
And that even seasoned professionals can learn something new and have a few laughs along
the way. Beer and gear is a reminder that learning can be enjoyable and that community
can be built around shared passions. So if you're looking for a podcast that's both informative

(26:30):
and entertaining. That makes you feel like you're part of the conversation. Then be sure
to check out Beer and Gear. You might just discover your new favorite podcast. And who
knows maybe you'll even be inspired to grab a beer and explore your own tech passions.
Cheers to that. Until next time, keep diving. Keep diving. Yeah. It really does feel like
they found something special, you know? Yeah. That mix of tech and just casual conversation.

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Yeah. And it's like, you know, you don't have to be a genius to get into this stuff. Yeah,
exactly. And what about you? What really stuck out to you about the show? Hmm. Well, I mean,
obviously the deer is a big draw. Of course. But beyond that, I was really impressed with
how much they clearly love tech. Yeah. And the way they bring in their own stories. Yeah.
That makes it so much easier to connect with. Yeah. You know, instead of just listing off

(27:17):
specs and features. Right. They're sharing their own aha moments. Even those times when
things went wrong. Yeah. Like when Chris's computer crashed. Oh, yeah. Totally. Even
with his crazy setup. It's like a reminder that we've all been there. We're all figuring
this stuff out together. Yeah. Even the pros have those moments. Yeah. You just got to
laugh it off sometimes. Yeah. But even with those challenges, you can really see how much

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they love podcasting. Yeah. And how much they care about making something good. It's inspiring.
Yeah. And they're really focused on building a community. And that's where those Boostergrams
come in. Yeah. It's such a cool idea. It really is. They're not just making a podcast. Yeah,
it's more than that. They're creating an experience. We're pushing the boundaries of what a podcast

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can be. Imagine you're listening to a live episode. Yeah. And you can just send them
a tip or ask a question right then and there. It's like we're all hanging out in a virtual
pub. Yeah, exactly. Sharing some beers and talking tech. And you know, we can't forget
about the actual beer. It's not just a gimmick. It really sets the tone for the whole show.
Yeah, it's relaxed. Makes you feel like you're just hanging out with friends. Yeah. Telling

(28:20):
stories. Having a laugh. And that's what makes Beering Gear so different. It's fun. Informative.
And most importantly, it feels real. Yeah. They've created a space where tech doesn't
feel scary or complicated. Yeah. Even if you're not some kind of tech wizard, you can still
enjoy it. So what do you think? Do you think this could be the future of learning online?

(28:46):
That's a big question. Like this mix of being an expert, but also being relaxed and approachable.
I mean, we are constantly bombarded with information these days. Yeah, it's overwhelming. So it's
more important than ever to find ways to make learning fun. And it feels like Beering Gear
have figured that out. Yeah, they found that sweet spot between education and entertainment.

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It's like you're learning from a friend, not a professor. It's a model that more people
should pay attention to. Yeah. Especially if you're thinking about making your own content.
Or just looking for new ways to learn and explore your own interests. So what are the
big takeaways from this deep dive? I think the biggest one is the power of authenticity
and passion. Yeah, you can tell that John and Chris really love what they're doing. And

(29:30):
it rubs off on you. They're not afraid to be themselves. To share their wins and losses.
And that makes them relatable. People trust them. Yeah, they've made tech feel accessible
and fun. Which is huge. Yeah, in a world where it can feel really intimidating. They're showing
that you don't have to be an expert to appreciate tech. Or to have a voice in the conversation.

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And that even the pros can still learn new things. And have a few laughs along the way.
Absolutely. Beer and gear reminds us that learning should be enjoyable. And that you
can build a community around the things you're passionate about. So if you're looking for
a podcast that's both informative and entertaining. It makes you feel like you're part of the
conversation. Make sure you check out Beer and Gear. You might just find your new favorite

(30:13):
podcast. And who knows, maybe you'll even be inspired to crack open a beer and explore
your own tech interests. Cheers to that. Until next time, keep diving. It's funny, isn't
it? What's that? We talk about, you know, staying informed, keeping up with things,
learning. Oh, yeah, all the time. But sometimes it feels like a chore. It can be. Like homework.

(30:35):
Yeah, for sure. But Beer and Gear, they kind of make it fun. Yeah, they really do. Like
they've cracked the code or something. Like that friend, you know, who can explain anything.
Yeah, and make it sound interesting. Yeah, exactly. Make you feel so natural. Yeah, it
doesn't feel like you're learning. Like we're all just wired to learn new things, right?
Yeah, totally. It's just finding the right way to spark that interest. What if all learning

(30:59):
was like this? Imagine that. No more boring lectures. Just casual conversations. It would
change everything. Learning would be so much more accessible. For everyone. That's the
real lesson here. Beer and Gear is showing us what the future could look like. Where
being an expert doesn't mean being boring. Yeah, you can be knowledgeable and approachable.
And have a beer while you're at it. Cheers to that. So that wraps up our deep dive into

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Beer and Gear. A podcast that's not just about tech, but about the joy of learning and sharing
and connecting with others. We hope this has given you something to think about. Maybe
even inspired you to explore your own passion. And find new ways to learn and grow. Until
next time, keep diving. Welcome to a deep dive into Beer and Gear. This podcast hosted

(31:43):
by John and Chris. Two self-proclaimed techies. Yeah, and they love their beer. As you might
have guessed from the name. In this first episode, they're both enjoying some beers.
They are. John's got a Modela Negra. Which he notes is darker than he expected. Yeah.
It's funny how our early experiences really shape our tastes. It is. You know, John's

(32:06):
first beer was a Corona and Lime. Okay. And Chris started off with Natty Light in college.
Yeah. Do you remember your first beer? I do, actually. And how it might have influenced
your preferences today. Oh, for sure. Yeah. They both have pretty interesting backgrounds
when it comes to tech too. They do. Chris has spent an impressive 18 years in IT at
Pine Cove. Wow. And now he's diving deep into the world of AV technology. Quite a shift.

(32:31):
It is. Pine Cove actually plays a role in their podcast, Humor 2. Oh, really? Yeah.
They have this thing called the Feelings Chair. What? Yeah. It's this designated spot for
venting tech frustrations. Oh, that's. And John ended up adopting that very same chair
for his own desk. Oh, that's great. So it's like inheriting tech karma. It's funny, right?
It is. It brings a sense of humor and relatability to their show. Absolutely. Everyone has those

(32:55):
tech struggles. We do. Makes tech feel less intimidating knowing that even experts have
their moments. For sure. Speaking of experts, their recording setup is top notch. Oh, yeah.
Both are using the Rodecaster Pro 2 and Shure SM7B microphones for this first episode. And
I get this. They're recording separately. Oh, wow. It shows the flexibility of modern

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content creation. That's right. You don't have to be in the same room to create something
great. You don't. And Chris's dedication to audio is impressive. Oh, yeah. He has a home
studio with a Rodecaster Pro 2. OK. Though he hasn't produced anything with it yet. Wow.
And an amazing microphone collection. Really? We're talking Electro Voice RE320, a Hale
PR40. Wow. He's even owned a Shure SM7B and an Electro Voice RE27ND before. Wow. He's

(33:43):
even planning to record in his closet for better sound. Talk about commitment. Yeah.
Now John prefers the Elgato WaveMic Arm over the Rode PSA1. Interesting. Probably because
of its size. Yeah. But both hosts rave about the Rodecaster Pro 2. They do. They love its
features, the individual faders, assignable buttons, and its ability to handle multiple

(34:05):
microphones. Yeah. It's clear they're keeping up with the latest audio technology. They
are. For instance, they mentioned the recent Rodecaster Pro 2 update that added a second
USB channel. Oh, right. Which opens up possibilities for using USB mics like the RodePod mic USB
or wireless options like the Rode Wireless Go 2. Oh, wow. That's cool. Yeah. That's one

(34:26):
of the things that makes their insights valuable. It is. They're staying current. For sure.
For their remote recording, they use CleanFeed.net. Interesting. It's known for high quality audio,
and they even shared a tip. It performs better in Chrome than Safari on Macs. Yeah. Those
little details that make them relatable. Yeah. Even tech experts have their preferred workarounds.

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For sure. And Chris's patience is incredible. It is. Probably from his extensive background
in tech sport. Yeah. Four years at Toys R Us. Four years helping to open an Office Macs,
another stand at Toys R Us, and then support for Cox Communications. Oh. TV, Internet, and
phone issues. That's a lot of troubleshooting. It is. But here's the kicker. What? Chris

(35:07):
once fielded a support call from comedian Dennis Miller. No way. Yeah. Dennis Miller,
what was that like? I can't imagine the stories he must have. Well, we'll have to dive into
that later. Now let's shift gears and talk about their everyday tech. OK. John, being
an Apple enthusiast, uses an iPhone 13 Pro and a 14-inch MacBook Pro. OK. Pretty standard

(35:28):
for creatives. Yeah. Yeah. Chris, on the other hand, is Team Android. OK. With a Dell laptop
and a Pixel 6 Pro. Nice. He's even planning to upgrade to the Pixel 8 soon. Cool. It's
a good reminder that there's no one size fits all in the tech world. Yeah. It's all about
finding what works best for you. It is. But even with all that experience, Chris isn't
immune to tech fails. Oh, no. He had this souped-up Dell 7040 micro, PCI SSD more memory,

(35:55):
and the whole thing crashed when he turned on his Rodecaster Pro 2. Oh, no. After booting
up his PC. Oh, man. The best part. What? He just laughed off. I love that. Yeah. It's
a great reminder that we all have those moments, and it's OK to laugh about it rather than
getting frustrated. It is. So they hinted at exciting things for beer and gear, like

(36:15):
new gear and formats. They did. But what stood out was their focus on listener interaction.
Right. They encouraged sending in AV questions and have introduced this really cool concept
called boostergrams. Oh, cool. But to understand boostergrams, we need to talk about podcast
2.0, this idea of pushing podcasting boundaries and finding new ways for listeners to interact,

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especially during live recordings. OK. So it's about evolving the medium and making
it more interactive. Got it. Instead of just passively listening podcast 2.0, aim to make
the listener an active participant. That's pretty neat. It is. So think of boostergrams
as virtual tips or a way to ask questions in real time. So what's fascinating is that
it could revolutionize how podcasts engage with their audience and even how they generate

(37:00):
revenue. Yeah, that's interesting. This approach empowers listeners, giving them a direct line
to the hosts and potentially influencing the direction of the show. Yeah, that's true.
It's a bold move that could change the landscape of podcasting. It could. Beer and Gear are
aiming to be a platform that explores not only audio content creation, but also audience

(37:20):
interaction. That's awesome. This first episode gives us a glimpse of their potential. It
does. But before we go any further, I'm curious what stood out to you about Beer and Gear
besides the beer. What struck me the most is their genuine passion for tech and how
they make it relatable through their personal experiences. It's not just listing specs and

(37:42):
features. They share aha moments and even those tech fails. Like Chris's computer crashing.
Makes them feel like friends you can learn from. Yeah. Not just experts talking at you.
And speaking of challenges, remember that story about Chris fielding a support call
from Dennis Miller? Oh yeah. Let's rewind to Chris's tech support days. He was working
at Cox Communications tackling internet and TV issues when he got a call, the voice on

(38:06):
the other end, Dennis Miller. That's wild. What was Chris's reaction? Did he freak out
or did his zen like patience kick in? He handled it like a pro. Apparently Dennis was having
internet trouble and Chris calmly walked him through the troubleshooting steps. He even
joked later that no tech support call could phase him after that. I bet talking to Dennis

(38:26):
Miller about internet speeds must have been a unique experience. Oh yeah. It highlights
how those unexpected moments can shape our confidence when dealing with tech. Right.
But it also makes you think how much of this podcast's relaxed vibe comes from Chris's
vast experience. I mean, helping Dennis Miller troubleshoot the internet is not your average
Tuesday. Right. It makes you wonder what other hidden stories they might have. This deep

(38:49):
dive is not just about summarizing beer and gear, but also about uncovering those little
nuggets that give us a different perspective. But back to the podcast, it's interesting
how they go beyond gear and delve into their workflows and creative processes. Exactly.
And that's where their different approaches really shine. Yeah. John, as a creative, uses
software like Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro for his projects. Okay. These are industry

(39:12):
standard tools that give him the flexibility and power he needs for audio and video editing.
Makes sense. And then you have Chris, who's more on the IT side, but he's diving headfirst
into the world of AV technology. Yeah. They both bring such different backgrounds and
experiences to the table, which makes their conversation so dynamic. For sure. It reminds

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us that there are many paths to exploring your tech passions. You don't have to fit
into a specific mold. That's right. And speaking of different approaches, they also had an
interesting discussion about their podcasting goals and their vision for beer and gear.
Oh yes. They emphasize wanting to create a space for open dialogue about technology,
where listeners feel comfortable asking questions and sharing their own experiences. It's about

(39:55):
fostering a community, not just delivering a one way stream of information. Yeah. That
community aspect is what makes beer and gear stand out. They even encourage listeners to
connect with them on social media and participate in discussions. They want to break down the
barriers between experts and learners, making tech feel more accessible to everyone. That's

(40:16):
great. They also talked about the importance of staying true to yourself and not being
afraid to experiment. It's a message that resonates beyond just podcasting. I think
it applies to any creative endeavor, any fields where you're trying to make your mark. For
sure. It's about finding your voice and your unique perspective. And beer and gear are
a great example of how authenticity and passion can really connect with an audience. Absolutely.

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But they also touch upon the challenges of staying current in the ever evolving world
of technology. Absolutely. They talked about the constant need to learn and adapt to embrace
new tools and technologies without getting overwhelmed. It's a sentiment many of us can
relate to, especially in the tech world where things change so rapidly. Right. It's about
finding that balance between staying informed and not getting bogged down by the sheer volume

(41:03):
of information out there. Yeah. And they emphasize the importance of seeking out reliable sources
and finding communities where you can learn and grow together. That's a good point. It
is. They also highlighted the importance of not being afraid to ask for help, to reach
out to others who might have more experience. It's about recognizing that we're all on

(41:24):
this learning journey together. We are. And that's where the power of community comes
in. Beer and gear are creating a space where people can support each other, share their
knowledge and navigate the world of tech together. That's great. But what I found especially
insightful was their discussion about the future of podcasting and the role of listener
interaction. Right. They believe that the traditional model of one way communication

(41:47):
is evolving and they're embracing these new tools and technologies like booster grams
to foster a more interactive and engaging experience for their listeners. And this shift
towards more interactive podcasts raises some interesting questions. Does it create new
challenges for creators? Does it empower listeners to become more active participants in the

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conversation? Those are great questions. And beer and gear are right at the forefront of
this evolution, exploring what it means to create a podcast that's truly interactive
and community driven. They're pushing boundaries and challenging the status quo, which is something
we should always encourage, especially in a medium like podcasting that has so much potential

(42:27):
for growth and innovation. Yeah, for sure. They're not afraid to experiment and try new
things. And that's what makes them so exciting to listen to. But beyond the technical aspects
and the future of podcasting, I was struck by their focus on the human element. You mean
how they weave in personal stories and humor into their discussions? Exactly. It makes
them feel more relatable, more human. They're not just tech experts. They're people who

(42:51):
are passionate about what they do and who want to share that passion with others. And
that authenticity is what makes beer and gear so compelling. They're not trying to be someone.
They're not. They're just being themselves. And that's what resonates with listeners.
But I'm curious, what are your thoughts on their vision for the future of beer and gear?
They talked about new gear, fresh formats, and even hinted at collaborations. I think

(43:12):
they have a clear vision of where they want to take the podcast. They're not just content
with staying in their lane. They want to push boundaries and explore new possibilities.
And their willingness to experiment and innovate is what makes them so exciting to follow.
It's clear they're not just in it for the tech. They're in it for the community, for
the connections they're building with their listeners. And that's what makes beer and

(43:33):
gear more than just a podcast. It's a movement. It's about fostering a love for technology,
about making it accessible and enjoyable for everyone. And their passion is contagious.
It is. But before we wrap up this deep dive, I want to circle back to their discussion
about Podcast 2.0 and those booster grams. Do you think this could really change the
way podcasts are created and consumed?

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It's definitely a step towards a more interactive and engaging listening experience. And I think
it has the potential to transform the podcasting landscape. Yeah. Think about it. Listeners
could have a direct impact on the show's content, potentially steering the conversation in real
time.
It could also create new revenue streams for podcasters, allowing listeners to directly
support the creators they love. It's a fascinating concept with a lot of potential.

(44:20):
It's almost like blurring the lines between traditional podcasting and live streaming,
creating a hybrid format that's both engaging and interactive.
And it's exciting to see beer and gear at the forefront of this evolution, experimenting
with new technologies and pushing the boundaries of what's possible in podcasting.
For sure.
But what are your thoughts on the potential downsides of this increased interactivity?

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That's a great point. It's not all sunshine and roses, while this shift towards more interactive
podcasts has the potential to revolutionize the medium. It also presents some challenges.
For instance, how do you manage real-time feedback to ensure that the conversation remains
productive and respectful?
Exactly. Moderating a live chat and incorporating listener feedback on the fly requires a different

(45:03):
skill set than traditional podcasting. It also raises questions about editorial control
and the potential for distractions or derailments.
And then there's the question of accessibility. Not all listeners may have the bandwidth or
the technology to participate in real-time interactions.
Right. It's crucial to ensure that these innovations don't create barriers to entry. For listeners

(45:23):
who prefer a more traditional listening experience, it's about finding a balance between embracing
new technologies and maintaining accessibility for everyone.
It's about creating a podcasting ecosystem that's inclusive and welcoming, regardless
of your level of tech expertise or your ability to participate in real-time interactions.

(45:44):
And I think that's ultimately what Beer and Gear are trying to achieve. They're passionate
about making tech accessible to everyone, and they're constantly exploring new ways
to connect with their audience.
Yeah. They're not afraid to take risks and try new things, and that's what makes them
so inspiring. It's inspiring to see their dedication to pushing the boundaries of podcasting.
And for listeners who might not be as tech savvy, do you think Beer and Gear is still

(46:07):
a good fit?
Absolutely. One of their strengths is making complex topics accessible. They break things
down in a way that's easy to understand.
Even if you're not a tech expert, they're like that friend who can explain complicated
things without making you feel dumb.
I think that's what sets them apart. They have a knack for finding those relatable analogies

(46:28):
and real-world examples that help even the most technical concepts click.
Yeah, exactly. And they don't shy away from humor either.
No, they don't.
Which keeps things light and entertaining. It's not a dry lecture on tech specs.
Right.
It's a conversation that feels engaging and fun.
And their willingness to be vulnerable.
Yeah.

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Sharing their own aha moments and tech fails makes them even more relatable.
Absolutely.
It makes you realize that everyone struggles with technology at some point, even the experts.
It's refreshing to hear that honesty, right?
Yeah.
It reminds us that it's okay to not have all the answers to make mistakes and to learn
along the way. Their transparency creates a sense of trust and authenticity that's hard

(47:11):
to find in the tech world.
It really is. They're not just trying to sell you something or present themselves as infallible
tech gurus.
Right. They're genuinely passionate about sharing their knowledge and helping others
navigate the often overwhelming world of technology.
And their passion is contagious.
It is.
It makes you want to dive deeper into the topics they discuss to explore your own tech

(47:32):
interests and to maybe even grab a beer and tinker with some gadgets yourself.
Exactly. It's about sparking that curiosity and encouraging exploration, regardless of
your level of expertise.
Yeah.
They're creating a welcoming space where everyone feels comfortable asking questions and learning
together.
And they're doing it in a way that's entertaining and engaging, which is a testament to their

(47:53):
skill as communicators and their dedication to their craft.
They are.
They're not just podcasters. They're educators, they're entertainers, and they're community
builders.
They're proving that learning about technology doesn't have to be boring or intimidating.
Right.
It can be fun, it can be social, and it can be a shared experience.
It can.
Beer and gear are a shining example of how to blend education and entertainment.

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They are.
Creating a podcast that's both informative and inspiring.
So if you're looking for a podcast that will expand your knowledge, make you laugh, and
inspire you to explore the world of tech, I highly recommend checking out Beer and Gear.
You might just discover your new favorite podcast and who knows, maybe you'll even be
inspired to crack open a cold one and drive into your own tech passions.

(48:37):
Thanks for joining us on this deep dive into the world of beer and gear.
Until next time, keep exploring, keep learning, and keep diving deep.
Well, that was definitely some interesting stuff.
So let's talk about where it kind of went off the rails.
From the beginning, in the first version, they could not pronounce John's last name.

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For some reason, red fern is just something they can't do.
What I also found intriguing is that they refer to Nati Light as hardcore.
I wouldn't call Nati Light hardcore, but apparently they do.
And the other thing that was quite intriguing is that somehow they decided that I'm the

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one who went to college in Oklahoma.
Who knew that I had a secret second life and I spent time in Oklahoma?
For those of you that don't know, it was actually John who attended college in Oklahoma.
And he was the one that came to Texas for those beers, not me.
Another thing that I personally took umbrage with is them referring to Boostergrams as

(49:41):
tips.
Boostergrams are not tips.
Boostergrams are you sending value back to the podcast because you got value or found
value in what we are sharing with you.
So please never, never, never call Boostergrams tips.
And the last thing, and that particular one that I found intriguing is at the very end

(50:04):
when the AI lady says stay geeky, it almost sounds like something is happening with her
and her voice and it's almost like she's starting to fail and fall apart and is struggling to
get that out.
So that was kind of a weird artifact, not sure what happened there.
And then when we roll into the second version, again, I'm still going to college in Oklahoma.

(50:32):
I'm not surprised that they continued that since they got it wrong in the initial summary.
And I don't think I like the reference to us as tech bros.
That sounds a little too Silicon Valley for me.
And I don't know that either of us would say that we identify as tech bros.

(50:52):
The one thing they did mention that I actually liked the concept of, and I think I'm going
to try to figure out how we can incorporate it into the show, is that the podcast is a
virtual pub.
Kind of like the idea of that.
We'll see what comes out of that.
And then the other thing that was unique to this version that was quite intriguing is

(51:15):
they wrap up as if they're done.
And then they started over, like they were redoing the summary.
And then they did it one more time.
They wrapped up as if they're done, and then rolled back in a third time as if they were
summarizing it all over again.
No idea what happened there.

(51:36):
I think it's a great example of AI slop, as some people call it, or you can maybe refer
to it as some model collapse.
And then we get to the third version.
I think this was probably the better of the three versions, in my opinion, in terms of
what they are trying to summarize the show about.

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And I noticed they skipped John's last name and just refer to him as John.
That's not even attempt to say red fern or red furring as they were saying in the others.
So I found that intriguing that they just kind of skipped the last name altogether.
But for the most part, I think that version was definitely the better of the three.

(52:21):
I don't know that any of them were spectacular.
I think between listening to those, you kind of get a general concept of what the first
show was about.
So I hope you somehow found this intriguing and enjoyable.
I know I certainly did, and just kind of experimenting and seeing how AI handles when it consumes

(52:44):
back its own content versus consuming firsthand content.
I would love to have gone a couple more layers in, but I figured three was probably enough.
And we definitely got to see some of the issues of AI, even initially taking the firsthand
content and then really struggling as it consumes its own content.

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And I just think that's just indicative of model collapse, which is what happens when
the AI starts to eat its own dog food.
So again, I hope you all enjoyed this show and we'll catch you in the next episode.

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Bye!