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(00:30):
Yeah, we had to hit the record button.
We just had to just go ahead and hit the record button because all of the good content was
going away.
I felt like this was happening last show.
Yeah, I just stopped talking.
We got to hit the record button.
All right.
Hey guys.
Hey everybody.

(00:50):
Get that usual intro in.
Glad you're here.
Yes.
We have a special show for you tonight.
We do.
Special show, special guest.
Yes, we've got a good one for you.
Hey Jason.
Hi.
Those of you who listen have heard Jason's name quite a few times.

(01:10):
Yes.
He's basically the only one that gives us Boostergrams.
You are the official sponsor.
Yes, for sure.
Of the Boostergram sound booth.
Yeah, that is absolutely the case.
Well, I was listening and I heard the, was listening to the Triple Mash episode.
Yes.
And I was like, man, I really should have sent him a two.
It was so good.

(01:30):
That was amazing.
I'm like, oh no, oh no.
This stuff is too good.
I was looking at merch like immediately.
Anyway, that takes a little bit, but yeah, we got to find a quicker way to get that to
Texas.
That's all I'm saying.
There you go.
I was surprised maybe to receive an invite to be here.

(01:54):
You absolutely shouldn't be surprised.
And I wasn't certain what to bring to the table.
So you brought a few things?
I brought some beer and some gear.
Nice.
I'm so excited.
Well played, sir.
Well played.
So what are we drinking?
I haven't made up my mind yet.
Okay.
You want to show us what you got?
This is smorgasbord two weeks in a row.

(02:16):
Last week, we were a little bit disappointed.
The last episode, I heard that there was three options.
Yeah.
Well, I don't know.
Chris was complaining about the bitter.
I see a milk stout.
Yeah.
I've never had that one.
So I went three from the same, you know, Michigan.
Yeah.
Founders.
Gotta represent.

(02:36):
Founders.
Way to go, founders.
So you got the founders porter, breakfast stout.
And the dirty bee.
Yep.
That one.
Keep it PG for the kids out there.
There you go.
Do we have any kids listening to us?
Who knows?
Overspill.
That's secondhand listening.
Secondhand listening.
Oh, nice.

(02:56):
That is a great way to put that.
A Bach that I haven't ever had.
Ziegenbach.
Yeah.
That's an old faithful.
And then a few left-hand brewing.
Left-hand brewing.
The milk stout.
Yeah.
And then.
Oh, the nitro.
Nitro.
Milk stout nitro.
Or you just, you don't know what to do with yourself.
Listen, the guest has to pick first.

(03:18):
I'm like drooling over this.
This is nice.
Give me your opener.
I'm going to drink my Hoffbrau.
Hoffbrau.
I've got my, I've got my dunkle that I didn't drink last time.
Drink dunkle.
It's good.
I know.
It's good.
It's going to be great.
I think I also have a Rasputin if anybody wants to feel bad about themselves.
I think you should drink the Rasputin.
No.
I'm not going to subject our guest to the Rasputin.

(03:38):
Listen, I will drink this dunkle and then if we get to number two, maybe it won't taste
so bad.
I can tell you why I'm not a, a bitter beer person.
So IPA is not happening.
Did you hear that?
That was awesome.
I'm glad I got that.
Yeah, no, I don't do IPAs either.
I was talking to one of our friends about that and that just that understanding that

(04:02):
like IPAs are IPAs because they had to be made that way to make it to India.
Is that it?
And it's like, yeah, you don't do that on purpose though.
It is an unfinished beer.
Don't drink that.
It's supposed to be on a boat for like a few months and then you drink it.

(04:24):
Has to be aged.
Aged in a barrel for a few months at sea.
And poured through an oil filter.
And then sloshed back and forth a lot.
Anyway, my brother loves IPAs.
I don't get it.
I'm with you.
I don't get it either.
So I don't know, Chris.
Oh no, you, you brought, you choose.
No, that is, that is true.

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See the, the point of doing like the, oh, he chose the milk.
He took the Nitro.
Took the Nitro.
But that's the, that was the point of bringing three options, but there were two of each.
Oh no, I wasn't going to be that kind.
Yeah.
That's not nice.
Yeah.
Not nice.
And the frosty mug.
Like, how did you do that?

(05:06):
It's just a, you just had ice in your bag there.
Now I know why you brought the other bag.
Yeah.
Nice.
Well done.
You see the chiropractor, you get this thing.
Yeah.
There's a wrap for your back.
Cold wrap.
Yeah.
You've seen that used for putting your pint in it.
That's, I'm just saying.

(05:26):
Not a bad idea.
Jason, Jason was born for this podcast.
Apparently so.
I don't know.
He, if not born, he was at least bred for it.
So.
All right.
I will try the milk stuff.
I haven't had that one yet.
The left hand.
Yeah.
Left hand milk.
You've got your, you've got your like job.
I got my left hand and I'll put a Guinness in the right.

(05:48):
There you go.
Don't just don't pour them in.
Oh my gosh.
No mix.
No.
Anyway.
Cheers fellas.
Oh sorry.
Are you going to share the opener?
Yeah.
You were pointing it.
I was like, I have no idea what you're doing.
Yeah.
I was, you know, behind the scenes stuff.
No, I'm not going to share the opener.
John is not sharing the knife folks.
Sorry.
It's, I mean, you know, when, when you're looking at everybody else like, oh man, look

(06:10):
at that.
Oh.
We got some, what is it?
Is it ASMR?
I always get this one.
Hey, it's a hard pour this, but that was not what I did.
You did for part of it, at least it looks tasty.
The head is forming.
Wow.
Empty.
Feel, feel good about that.

(06:33):
Nothing.
All right.
Here we go.
Cheers.
Cheers.
What's the verdict?
Ooh, that's good.
The milk stout guys have enjoyed what they're drinking.
That's tasty.

(06:54):
Likewise.
I think it's just the nitro.
You're sure you don't want the Rasputin.
That can be number three.
Cause I won't care then.
But by three, we're like, no, it's, I don't taste anything.
Just whatever.
So, I mean, what you're saying is true, Jason, and probably what you have is what I have

(07:14):
plus nitro.
Plus nitro.
Yeah.
Go nitro or go home.
Yes.
Listen.
Wait.
Yes.
No, I did get the, I went back to East Texas brewery and got the.
Their nitro stout?
I don't remember the name of it.
I had to look it up.

(07:35):
McGinnis.
That's right.
McGinnis.
McGinnis, nitro.
Yes.
Cause you got, I feel like you got the nitro and I just got the McGinnis.
Yes.
Okay.
Anytime I see-
I was trying to explain that to somebody and I was like, it wasn't the same thing.
Yeah.
Whenever there's a nitro on the menu, you have my attention.
Yeah.
Listen.
Okay.
I'm listening to you.
Yes.

(07:56):
Now give me the nitro.
Now give me the nitro.
There you have it.
Well, it was a good show.
Yeah.
Just going to sit here and drink for a little bit.
Yes.
So before we actually get into why we're here, I was asking Chris when we were walking in
Jason, if he had heard about what Rode just dropped, have you, did you see what Rode just

(08:20):
dropped?
I haven't even pulled it up.
I had not heard.
Okay.
And Chris was just talking about what he saw.
Yeah.
And we kind of laughed a little bit at the beginning.
We kind of laughed a little bit.
So Rode has always, not always, Rode has been manufacturing microphones for a long time.
And then it was really cool whenever they came into this like, oh, we should do this

(08:41):
podcaster thing.
So they had some microphones that they really like pointed towards podcasting.
They were like, this is a good idea.
And then they were like, we're going to make this interface.
And I mean, it's what we're using tonight.
It's what Chris, you have one.

(09:02):
The Rodecaster Pro and then the Rodecaster Pro 2 that we're using now, I think really
like are fantastic products.
And I have enjoyed watching what they're doing with that.
And Chris and I have talked about this quite a few times.
Like they did the Pro, came out with the Pro 2 and when they did that, they also were like,

(09:24):
hey, we know some of you don't need all of these channels.
It's basically just you or just you and a guest.
What if we do this in a smaller form factor, make it a little bit easier to get to?
Cool.
Everybody likes that, which evidently there were a couple of problems with it lately.
Yep, USB.
With some firmware hopefully being able to fix it, hopefully in the...

(09:46):
Anyway, but one of the other products that they released and what we have talked about
a few times is maybe something that I wanted to look at was the Stream X, which is a small,
like super small interface.
But it has an XLR and it has a HDMI in.

(10:06):
So this is for a single person to have a single camera.
And if you needed to, you could leverage one of the USBs for a second mic if you had to
in a pinch.
But it's really like there are no faders.
It's too small.
Like it is very much like you have to choose what you are interacting with at any given
time and their knobs.

(10:26):
And so it's a very simple thing, but could be really useful, especially for those of
us that really like to integrate with video stuff.
You've got to really like their software in order to effectively control that one.
Well, they heard my wondering, which was, I wonder why Rode doesn't beef this thing

(10:50):
up a little bit and give a better example here.
Because I've been sitting here thinking like, well, I'm going to have to integrate the
Rodecaster with Blackmagic stuff.
And we all know there's nothing wrong with Blackmagic as long as you have a fan.

(11:13):
A fan.
True statement.
But sure enough, Rodecaster came out with the Rodecaster video.
The clouds have opened.
The clouds have opened and they have done this.
Now I was initially disappointed, I will say that, because when I looked at it, I was like,
you gave us four, at least, I mean, it has four HDMI inputs.

(11:36):
You all can pull it up if you want to.
On Rode.com it is their featured product right now.
But they gave us four video inputs, the four HDMIs, there's actually more than that, but
four HDMIs and there's only two XLRs.
And I was like, okay, that, like, it feels like that was a little bit.

(11:56):
Two shots per person.
Two shots per person.
And we are talking about video shots, not other shots, but you know, probably that wouldn't
hurt either.
Yeah.
And I mean, it just felt too specific to me.
But then I found out, not only is one of the USB-C's, or two of the USB-C's, it's hard to

(12:19):
tell how they, like, I've read a couple different things that have made me wonder whether or
not the two USB-C's that are labeled as video or microphone, if those are able to be used
as both microphones, or if one of them has, like, if they have to be one or the other,

(12:40):
if you can use them both at the same time, even with that.
So they'll get you in a future firmware update.
Yeah, that's always what that means.
But it is interesting to note that it has not been super transparent with what that
is, at least on the initial release of this product.
But what I was excited about was that they do have the integration like the Rodecaster

(13:05):
Pro does with the Rode wireless mic Pro and I think Go, maybe just one, I don't remember.
But instead of just having one receiver, it can actually receive both of the, or two wireless

(13:26):
Pro transmitters.
Gotcha.
So that's a big deal.
You can just use your XLR inputs as shotguns at that point.
You could.
Now would you like to tell everybody the official price?
No, I don't because that is the bummer.

(13:47):
We'll sleep better tonight knowing that you probably aren't going to get this right off
the... anyway.
It's $1,200.
I'll catch it when they clearance it out.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, we'll see.

(14:08):
But you can get it at B&H, like even on their website, it's like, hey, look at B&H.
I was like, wow.
Have you dabbled much with Blackmagic's audio bits and pieces and processing?
I've done a little bit.
But like I said, I like Blackmagic.
I almost said I like B&H.

(14:30):
I do like B&H when they're open.
Not during Jewish holidays.
I mean, it is Rosh Hashanah coming up.
So hurry up and order.
Hurry up and order.
If you're going to order, you better order now because they're going to be closed for
a little bit.
And I mean, don't get me wrong, it just always seemed like when I needed something was when

(14:51):
there was a holiday that I did not know about.
Multi-day holiday.
Multi-day holiday.
I'm like, come on, guys.
Anyway, respect it.
It's great.
But it definitely, my Blackmagic, it's not a distrust.
It's not like I'm whatever.

(15:12):
I'm always a little bit like expecting something to go a little bit haywire.
It doesn't matter what product it is that I'm using of theirs.
I'm always expecting some sort of glitch.
Like needing a fan.
Like needing a fan.
Like, oh, you're not functioning because there's not air blowing against you right now.
I couldn't tell you how many times I had to send somebody out to buy a fan because I forgot

(15:35):
it.
Yeah.
I was like, no, you need a fan for that piece of gear.
You've got to blow the fan at the back of this product or it will not function.
They put huge heat sinks on the back, but somebody said it doesn't need a fan.
It doesn't need a fan.
It's got huge heat sinks.
Have you ever rack mounted anything?
You need a fan, man.

(15:55):
Anyway, I don't know.
It's that thing that I'm like, I just, just this much more, man.
And I would have been like totally sold on you as a company.
I can tell you that the audio that they have in their software suite for doing post editing

(16:16):
and whatnot is pretty impressive as far as...
You mean DaVinci?
Yeah.
Well, I can't think of the...
What's the audio?
The audio plugin that is a part of their application.
But DaVinci is the video.
Yes.
But I have done a lot of overdub work with that and applied effects and processing and
whatnot and I'm pretty impressed with how it lands it on the track.

(16:39):
Yeah.
You don't need a fan for the software.
No.
It's working in a machine that has a fan.
Very true.
I'm just saying.
Apparently fans are there like...
I'm with you.
Achilles heel.
They don't want noise.
You know what?
It needs to be quiet.
Something like that.
But that's not why we asked you to join this podcast.

(17:00):
No.
I do have one question real quick though.
When did Rode go all white with their gear?
Do you see that?
Yeah, they have a few.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
I think it's just one of those...
Mic stand, Rodecasters.
Yeah.
They make everything in white as well as black it seems.

(17:22):
I know why they did it with the wireless mics.
Because you want to ride in a groom.
I have also taped a lot of microphones with white e-tape.
That's right.
To hide it.
Just gotta hide it.
I don't think I like the white.
I mean, you don't have to like the white.
But it is weird that everything is white.

(17:45):
No, but they did the Rodecaster Pro in white.
They did the microphones like the PodMic.
PodMic USB.
I think the Broadcaster is also in white there.
And then Duo and all of that.
I mean, it's just like everything is in white as well.
I was like, okay.

(18:05):
I mean, no, it's the NTH100.
That's what that is.
It says it right there.
No, that's the headphones.
Yeah, NTH100.
And it looks like the PSA1 Plus.
Public service announcement?
Yes.
It's a good mic arm though.

(18:26):
Plus one.
Plus.
One plus.
Come on.
With the twist.
Anyway, it's a lot.
I don't know why.
But they've got some good stuff coming out.
So be looking at Rode, figure out how we're going to afford that beautiful piece of plastic.

(18:53):
We need a ton of boosts.
Look at you, Jason.
Yeah, I see.
Jason, I don't know.
I think if you add up all the boosts I've sent, just because it's fun to do it, it's
like, here's 25 cents.
Here's 30 cents.
I mean, it's just fun to do.
Right?
I can give you a running total.
Up to you, man.

(19:14):
I don't know what everybody's doing.
Bitcoin rates or?
Oh, wow.
Yeah, see, we're just holding on to it.
It's going to spike again.
There you go.
I'll throw out Sats first and then the dollars.
So it sounds better in Sats, I'll admit.
Of course it does.
17,238 Sats.
Wow, dude.
That sounds awesome.
Listen, money bags.

(19:34):
Yeah.
Cash value, $11.22.
That's not nothing.
I'll take it.
It's not a nothing burger.
I'm just saying.
I mean, if Bitcoin doubles, it's $22.
Right.
That's correct.
Just can't wait.
Put it in the bank.
Or buy a beer.

(19:58):
Here at this critical juncture, we feel like we are going to buy a beer.
Okay.
So let's actually get into it.
Okay.
Because Jason, I get the general concept, but I feel like there's a lot that I've got
to be missing here.
Talk to me about audio over ethernet.

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I don't know that you would be missing too much.
I just need you to lay it out there for us.
Turn up the nerd knob.
Turn up the nerd knob.
If you can find the nerd knob.
This one goes to 11.
Why can't you just make it louder and keep it 10?
Crank it to 11 and rip the knob off.
This one goes to 11.
But it goes to 11.
Beautiful quote.
Yeah.

(20:43):
So we're talking mainly, my experience with audio over IP is all in the world of Dante.
Which is, I don't know if you would call it protocol.
I kind of think of it as that.
It's definitely turning into that.
The number of integrations that they have make it fairly industry widespread.

(21:06):
I don't know how to say that any better.
It's all over the place.
You could download software, pay for the license, get a few channels on your laptop in and out.
A lot of manufacturers are either baking it into their product or they're making cards
that you can slide into product.
I'm seeing a lot of cards.

(21:26):
A lot of digital audio consoles will have a Dante card.
Depending on how they built their console and what its capabilities are, you can purchase
cards sometimes based on how much I.O. you want.
You might be able to find a card that does 64 in and out.
You might be able to find one that does 128 in and out.

(21:46):
They make them all the way up to 512 channels in and out.
Which is kind of crazy when you start trying to figure out how much bandwidth you're going
to consume going over that.
At what point are we like, oh no, these switches need to be 10 gig?
10 gig?
Multi gig?

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We need to be going to some fiber between these.
Work related, this idea of using Dante came about maybe in its inception for me back when
there was a program at camp related to schools learning wilderness things.

(22:30):
There was talk from one of the directors that they wanted to have some type of welcoming
music playing with intermittent announcements about where their cabin is and when they're
going to meet next.
They wanted this all playing from a central location and they were across two different
properties.
The properties were connected over the network.

(22:50):
I absolutely love it.
We could go pirate FM.
When program people are like, I've got an idea.
So that's where this originated from.
It's a good thing I'm a magician.
Show that one.
I just did the whole thumb separation trick.
We really need a camera in here.

(23:10):
The whole thumb separation trick.
I did that one on my kids yesterday and Levi lost his mind.
I made a lot of noises when I did it and I got a shout from the other room saying, are
you okay?
I thought I threw my back out or something.
No, I'm just pulling my finger off.
Just doing tricks for the kids.
Oh my gosh.
No, I'm not okay.

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My thumb is gone.
Of course Levi thinks he's got it figured out.
He's trying to do it to people and it's just too cute.
Nice.
But I don't remember exactly when Dante came about.
It's been around for a while.
And then the company that developed Dante is a parent company behind it and it's called
Audinate.

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So Audinate licenses Dante.
They develop it.
They only make three or four pieces of hardware themselves other than the chips.
And I have a couple of them here.
Some two channel in, some two channel out, but they're literally just like rat tails
that are POE powered.

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And the thought was is that we could put the software license on one computer.
We could stream this out.
We could get your powered speakers, whether it's your QSC K Series or some old Mackey
450s that are still floating around and you could plug these bad boys in there.
That was really cute how he threw a bone to us.
Old Mackey users.

(24:34):
I'm just saying there was a lot of them.
And there still are.
We didn't have the money that you have now.
I'm going to go ahead and say that out loud.
You may.
But the idea was that...
Soundbox.
That was never a thing.
Those are pretty slick too.
The idea was that you could just plug this into the back of the...
So it has a network jack on one side, a little breakout with two XLRs.

(24:59):
And you could plug this into the back of the speaker, plug the speaker into the wall, run
a network cord to it so we could set these speakers around the property at different strategic
locations and broadcast this program audio out.
And nothing ever came of it.
I don't know if at the time it was cost, price, something about it.

(25:19):
Wasn't quite what they wanted it to be.
But then, was it three or four years ago now, one of the camps that does a carnival on Friday
evenings wanted to really bring that experience with audio up a notch, but they really didn't
want to be stringing...

(25:39):
Cables.
Cables everywhere.
XLR mic...
That's hard to believe.
Why wouldn't you want to do that?
You don't want trip hazards everywhere?
You're going to bury them in the dirt.
I really feel like that's the way to go though, is burying it in the dirt.
Burying it in the dirt.
Direct bury some XLRs and you really are going the next level there.
Tell the nurses, hey, just go ahead and come on over and be a part of the production.

(26:01):
Just wait.
Or the trip.
Trip hazards.
But we tried this and we configured a few different switches around the buildings that
are on the peripheral of where they do the carnival.
And we got them set up with...
The transmitting side of it was off of one of the buildings with a mixer.

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So they had wireless mics there and those mics worked a few feet out of the building
into the carnival area.
We would drop the signal onto the network from there and then four different locations
from there.
We had speakers set up that were tapping into that signal and most of it was background
music but they had somebody out there playing MC for the event and announcing when the burgers

(26:42):
were ready and everything like that.
And it worked really well to the point where they're like, we want to add another speaker
or can we do this here?
We're going to use it on opening day.
We can put music in four different places and it just matches everywhere.
And that was kind of the impetus for rolling this out in a few different places.

(27:04):
One other camp picked it up, actually two other camps picked it up and it really just
started becoming a hodgepodge of networked audio with just two channel in, two channel
out adapters.
But it worked great.
It was a lot of fun.
Plug and play essentially once they're configured and set up.

(27:25):
But mostly what you were sending is a stereo out and you were...
I was just doing mono.
Oh, okay.
There you go.
There you go.
The microphones are mono, the mixers had a mono out.
We just did mono.
There you go.
Now, when I first plugged these things in, not knowing anything about Dante, knowing
that I had to have a controller to build the matrix, because there is a software piece

(27:45):
of this, you put them all in the same subnet and the software sees all of them and you
can name them and you can start making patch points in your matrix to connect the eyes
to those.
Were you using this on your main network or were you doing a separate...
We were doing it on a VLAN that we set aside for audio video things.
Yes, VLANs are your friend.

(28:07):
You may be asking, yes, self, what kind of bandwidth does this take?
Yes, that's exactly what I was asking, self.
Well, just like when you're recording a podcast, like we are here, you have different settings
in your recording, you have your bit rates, you have your sample rates, you have what

(28:27):
type of compression are you going to use when you store it.
They come with a lot of different options.
You can do your 44.1, the old CD sample rate, you do 48, which is pretty standard in most
mixing systems, but now there's a few that are up there in the 96 kilohertz range.
You take that number, let's say 48,000, 48K, 40,000, and then you take your bit depth,

(28:54):
which could be anywhere from 16 to 24 to 32, multiply those two together and that is your
bit rate per second.
Nice.
Just did some math there.
That's not counting the overhead of what it takes to packetize the data and put it in
a frame and send it down the network using your seven layer burrito method.

(29:18):
Yes, nice.
Watch out for that eighth layer there.
It's so nice to have somebody talking to us that's been listening.
I'm just saying.
It doesn't happen very often.
I did like that reference.
Yes.
I don't remember if that was the name of the episode or not.
It was.
But I'm busting out the calculator here.
So you got like 48,000, let's say you do a 24 bit depth, you're looking at roughly 1.1

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megabits, MBPS.
Megabits.
Yeah, that's not bad.
That's not too bad.
No.
I mean you expect it to be more than that.
That's all I'm saying.
And that's uncompressed.
Yeah.
That's not an MP3.
That's not a WAV file.
That's just audio over the network.
And all of that is configured by the controller.

(30:03):
Yes.
Because it's not like, y'all can't see these adapters.
There's no settings on here.
Pictures in the show notes.
You're not seeing like dip switches on this bad boy.
No, no dip switches.
There's no button.
No knob.
Nothing.
There might be a factory reset button.
Maybe.
I don't see it.
Actually, I don't even see that.
Nope.
So I bet every time you pull the POE, it resets.

(30:25):
You got to stick your tongue in the cat.
RJ45.
Cut the network cable, twist pairs one and two together.
Don't do any of this.
It's starting to sound like an Aruba configuration cable.
That was good.
I actually ran 100BASE-T one time on a corporate AV project that had a POTS line.

(30:51):
I feel like you told me about that.
I ran a POTS line on one pair.
When you first came to Pine Cove.
A hundred megabit connection on the two other pair.
It was a funky cable.
Yeah, no.
We've all seen our share of funky cables.
The triple dongle.
Like, wait a minute.
Hey now, hey now.
The triple dongle was a sight to see.

(31:12):
It is a family show.
I did watch a short the other day that had people around a conference table comparing
dongle.
They had to have been Tripp and Tyler.
They did some great videos.
And then somebody walking in being like, what are you all talking about?
Yeah, that was a bit over the top.
It was pretty funny though.
My dongle's pretty old.

(31:33):
Lincoln the Show notes, people.
So you plug all these things in.
Yeah.
Back to the, you plug all these things in.
You launch the Dante controller.
If you're all on the same network, everything comes up peachy.
Yes it does.
Let you know if there's firmware to update.
Let you click your cross points in your matrix.
There's this odd thing that I learned about.

(31:53):
Again, going back to when I first plugged these in.
I had one dongle that was two channels in.
And I think I had four dongles that were two channels out.
So I set up, I plug the first one in, plug the second one in, plug the, I get all of
them in there.
I see all my outs to my two ins and I hit the checkpoint on channel one to channel one.

(32:15):
Then I go to the next dongle and I go channel one to channel, it's like it won't go.
It wouldn't connect.
So I went channel one to channel two.
And it went, and then I would click the next one.
It was like, I can't do this.
I have no more streams available.
Right.
It had to be one to one.
Well, what I learned was that by default, the Dante audio uses a TCP, not TCP, UDP point

(32:38):
to point connection.
So it's like, they call it a flow.
Yeah.
You are doing this one channel to that one channel.
Which is great on the network as far as what the switch has to handle and do.
But I couldn't get that one signal to more than two dongles.
Right.
Well, there is another setting in here that allows you to set up what they call multicast

(32:58):
flows.
Okay.
So then, so then what happens is your transmitter becomes a giant broadcaster.
Yeah.
And it starts hitting everything, everything on the VLAN, which again is only 1.1 MBPS,
but is, is still like, that's a lot.
But if you're, if your VLAN crosses, I don't know, 15, 20 switches, all of those trunks

(33:23):
between those switches are seeing that traffic.
And they're blasting that out on any port that's on that VLAN.
Hold on.
Let me think this through.
It goes, it goes from the stage.
No, no, I would, I would come out of the, I would come out of the booth.
So it's going, and we would have to do the lower, no, because both of the boards are
plugged into the lower booth, but we're going through one switch, two switch, three switch,

(33:53):
just to get to the grade school building.
Yes.
And then, yeah.
Now over the trunk, that really might not be that bad.
Right.
And if you only have a few ports on that VLAN, they're the only ones that are going to see
it.
Yeah.
Well, here's, here's where I'm still learning and trying to understand things.
And this is, this is where ubiquity would come in really handy.

(34:14):
Let's bring Chris into the mix here.
Okay.
IGMP snooping.
Let's say you.
It can be a benefit depending on what you're trying to do.
So hose your system.
Well, nevermind.
I just, I'm going to stay out of it.
You talk.
I can tell you that I have it personally, I have it turned off at home.

(34:40):
Yep.
So if you're having, I have seen cases where I've had trouble on a particular VLAN, not
seeing a given device.
I've turned it on and it seems like it's made some, some help there.
Okay.
But I generally, I keep it off.
So the way Audinate or Dante teaches IGMP snooping in the world of broadcast streaming

(35:04):
audio is that if, if all of your switches in the chain can do snooping.
And I think there is a, one switch has to be the host of something and I'm, the word
is escaping me.
But it keeps kind of a directory of all of the devices that subscribe to a multicast

(35:25):
broadcast.
So what happens with IGMP snooping on is it limits where the broadcast goes on the ports
on that switch.
Correct.
Even if it's on the same VLAN, if the device on that VLAN isn't asking for the stream,
the switch won't send it down that wire.
That's nice.
So that's a way to kind of clean up, especially if you have a large VLAN and a lot of devices

(35:48):
in the VLAN aren't a part of the multicast piece, IGMP snooping, which I think would
be the devices.
I mean, that's the majority of, I'm sorry.
I don't know that, but it seems like for those of us that this isn't the thing that we're
doing, we're not, we're not dedicating hardware to this.
And that's what I was actually afraid of.
To tell you the truth, part of what I was nervous about was in like, you can read all

(36:13):
this, but then you don't know until you have actually seen somebody put this into practice
exactly how much of this you're running into.
You know, you don't, you can read all day long and they can make claims about this and
that or whatever, but until you actually see like, no, it really isn't going to affect
the rest of your network.

(36:33):
If you separate it, you know, do your due diligence and separate everything the way
that you're supposed to.
Like you sure hope so, but yeah.
And to be clear, what IGMP is technically doing behind the scenes, it's almost as if
the devices share the same IP address.
So that way they can get the messaging.

(36:55):
That's essentially what's happening.
They're up there in the 255 address range dedicated for broadcasting.
It's called an IGMP querier.
So you can have a...
Sounds fancy.
Querier.
I don't know if British is what it sounds.
I don't know if I trust that.
It doesn't have the British U in it.
Freaking red coast.

(37:16):
Oh nice.
I like that.
That was good.
Or parlour.
In America, we would drop one of these.
Saviour.
Well, so we dropped the British U in a lot of words, just not glamour.
Just not glamour.
That's correct.
Yeah, that's weird.
I mean, sure.
It's time.
Oh no, what is this one?
Number two.
This is the extra style.

(37:36):
This is the OG.
He is going to his Guinness.
This is the granddaddy of all.
Later, I'll explain why I have this.
So I...
Later you're going to explain.
Okay.
Yes.
So I had set up, going back a little bit to my, a little bit of my experience in this,

(37:58):
that camp that was using it for Carnival, we deployed the sound box.
We deployed the sound box speakers, org wide this last spring.
And that kind of took away the need for this networked audio because they have a different
wireless protocol that does essentially the same thing in a smaller footprint.

(38:19):
It works out well for them.
So we were able to pull the Dante piece out of that camp and it actually saved them a
lot of set up and tear down time.
Chris is getting weird over there with his beer.
I don't know, man.
He's pretending it's a pillow or something.
All will be explained later.
Caressing the bottle.
Okay.
We'll just keep moving.
It's fine.
Well, so...

(38:40):
So they're using sound box instead of this, Dante.
Correct.
Yes.
That's interesting to me because the Dante can go much further than the sound box can.
On a wire.
Yeah.
Dante will not do wifi.
Yeah.
No, that's important to know.
That's because of broadcast bits and pieces, I think.
Even if the SSID is on that same VLAN?

(39:01):
Oh, we should do some testing, Chris.
Oh.
Because I'm sitting here going...
Now we're talking.
No, I mean, you would have to...
They claim it does not.
You would have to have a receiver for it.
I would love to know...
This is not a wireless receiver.
Well, no, but if it hits...
A wireless bridge is different.
A wireless bridge on the other end.
And then radios down to it?
Or not radios down?

(39:22):
Yeah, and then hands off ethernet.
Ethernet's down.
A true test.
Challenge accepted.
Challenge accepted.
Chris is like, bull crap, I can make it wireless.
Yes.
Yeah.
I don't know, I think you would have to get the software license on one of the computers
and try it over Wi-Fi.
But...
Okay, okay, okay.
Challenge accepted.
Now he's thinking.

(39:43):
You got him thinking.
I like it when you make him think.
Yeah, you gotta do that sometimes.
Yeah.
I'm like, Chris, whatever you come up with, that's fine.
I took all these dongles out of circulation and they sat in a drawer for a little while.
Yeah, that's hard, man.
And I was plugging them in.
It's hard to be a retired dongle.
It is.
It is.
I just can't.
You can't look over there.
He's 13 years old, it's fine.
So they sat in a drawer for a while and when I plugged them back in a few weeks ago, I

(40:08):
was like, I static IP address these things.
And I don't remember...
Which ones?
I think they were on a specific...
The beard kicking in.
Maybe.
It's warm in here in my opinion.
Oh yeah, it is.
Hold on.
Do you guys talk amongst yourselves?
Talk amongst yourselves.
So I'm plugging these things in and I'm like, there's no factor reset button.

(40:30):
I don't think I realized that at the time, but I plugged them in anyway and I knew it
wasn't...
I had no switch ports in the office that were on the AVVLAN, so I knew the IP of the device
wasn't going to match.
That's a bad IT guy.
I know, right?
You better fire him.
You better put a...
So I plugged it in.
He's an AV guy.

(40:50):
I plugged it into the office VLAN and my computer was on the office VLAN and I launched the
Dante controller.
So I have the device and the controller on the same VLANs and all of a sudden a message
pops up in the controller and it says, there's a device on this subnet that isn't properly
configured.
Would you like to reset it?
Yes please.
And it gives me the IP address of the device.

(41:12):
I'm sorry, my mouth is on the ground right now.
I was dumbfounded by that.
Like that is amazing.
I was like, how are they talking to each other?
Even on the same network.
It's basic discovery.
It probably is.
Listen, don't rain on this parade for me.
I gotta pull back the curtain.
No, like, okay.
Yes, I get it.

(41:33):
You're smarter than us.
But like, this is like when...
Y'all know Stephen Myers.
We got a Gobo for the...
You're talking the A size one that I can't find any lights for?
That one.
Okay.
So we bought that thing and we were like, this is going to be awesome.
We're going to put it on the...
We bought two of them and we're going to put them on the lights in Cowan and then we're

(41:57):
going to show them on the walls or on the ground or something.
And it's going to be awesome because there's going to be a big pine cone on everything.
And sure enough, we did that.
And like Snoop was a part of like, Stephen was a part of like figuring out, like saying
like, oh, we should do this and everything like that.
And I think there was some general excitement about it.
But on that day, like he's in go mode.

(42:19):
And so we're like, hey Snoop, Lucas, it's Gobo.
And he's like, yeah.
I was like, excuse me.
Like we've, we are celebrating a victory over here.
My first step.
And he's like, we have made fire.
We have made fire.
And he's like, that's what it's supposed to look like.
This is not a party.
I was like, oh my gosh.
Yeah.

(42:39):
And the projectors are supposed to work too, but they're not.
They're not.
Thanks, Ford.
Oh man.
Or they show up late.
That was my first experience.
The truck broke down.
They're not here.
No, it's fine.
I'm not going to bad mouth.
But anyway, I was really surprised that they even saw each other.
But evidently it's not a big deal.
Well, it does multicast, right?

(42:59):
It does broadcast stuff.
It should just throw its name out there.
I'm going to throw this recipe at you.
It's the same essential concept of your phone discovering.
Oh, John's making weird gestures.
I bet you would like this.
Yes, I would like it.
Yeah.
Can I have that mistreating?
Can I have your F bomb?
It's around here somewhere.

(43:20):
I'm going to make it work.
If you can open any beer, it's going to be this Rasputin.
I'll have to figure out a link in the show notes for that reference.
Yeah, sorry.
You can just take a picture of it and throw it.
Oh man.
But no, I've been impressed with it so far.
We have been playing with, I don't know if anybody out there is familiar with the Q-Sys.

(43:42):
Watch the face.
Systems.
There it is.
Careful.
It's just, it's a little bit like anytime this, no, it's not even bitter to me.
It's flowery.
It's like somebody sprayed.
So it tastes like bread?
Perfume in it.
No, or like soap.

(44:03):
So it tastes like soap to me.
This is what I tell like potpourri.
Paul all the time.
I'm like, no, oh, oh, oh.
One man's garbage and another man's potpourri.
Yeah, no, that's disgusting.
Don't you my yum?
Is that what they say?
I'm afraid I didn't get flowery in mine.
It was just bitter.
Yeah, I don't, I think, but that's what I think.
Like when other people say bitter, that's what I actually taste is some sort of flower.

(44:28):
It tastes like I'm chewing on a flower.
Are you eating flowers when you go home?
No.
I mean, maybe.
I heard somebody, the old, the old joke years ago when potpourri was a big thing.
They're like, this trail mix is awful.
Oh man, this trail mix is awful.
No, I agree with that.
That trail mix is awful.

(44:49):
Yes.
Bad Rasputin.
You bought it.
I did.
And you must finish it.
I will, but like, it's like glad the impaler over here.
Oh man.
Anyway, so sorry.
I'm kind of lost on the train here.
Yeah, we keep rather trailing.
I'm still on the train, so that's a good thing.

(45:11):
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Basic discovery.
That's where you were.
Well, that was just, I was impressed by that.
It helped.
It helped.
You're amazed, but really, if we could put a word on this, it is basic.
Basic discovery.
Okay.
But for audio guys, this is amazing.

(45:32):
Amazing.
So, but like, here's my, like, I love this idea.
I love the idea of being able to go, yeah, and you've got the USB-C dongle.
For those who don't want to pay for the software license for your computer, but you still need
a network drop.
Yeah.
That's a great idea.
USB-C works around the license?

(45:54):
Well, this dongle is licensed.
Yeah, it's, you bought the dongle.
You bought the dongle.
It's two in, two out in one dongle.
Intriguing.
And since these are only two channel or four channel devices, these are only a hundred
megabit ports, but they're only ever taking in two or four streams.
That's like, so 1.1 a piece-ish.

(46:17):
They clipped it.
Huh?
They clipped it.
They clipped it.
Snip.
Anyway.
Anyway.
So, there's a lot of different use cases for it.
Yeah.
I was starting to go down the path of Q-SYS.
Yeah.
Yes.
So here's an example of an audio DSP or processor that has variable-configurated ins and outs.

(46:43):
And most of their, at least the stuff I've been dealing with, comes with an 8x8 Dante
license for the purchase of the hardware.
Wow.
Now, I could pay them a licensing fee and they would unlock the other 24 channels giving
me 32 I.O. just in Dante alone.
Through that speaker.

(47:04):
Through that, well, through that processor.
Whoa, whatever.
Processor.
Yeah.
So that's been, it's been kind of fun to tinker with that a little bit.
Well, I went to a, that was, so what kind of started me down this path was actually
going to a...
Was it the conference?
It was WFX and going into that Q-SYS like, not display.
I listened to that episode.

(47:25):
Yeah, of course you did.
But like, going into that demonstration of their stuff and I was like, I mean, this idea
is incredible.
This is the wrong room for you to show off these speakers because it was horrible.
Were they Dante enabled speakers?

(47:47):
Yeah, they were interesting.
And that's what I was like, okay, like that, like that really messes with me on some levels
because they were talking about like, not just the Dante integration, but how like they're,
the speakers are communicating with each other about even tilt levels and stuff like that.
And really like them being able to auto configure to not have dead zones in there, you know,

(48:12):
not to have a phase cancellation inside of it.
Phase cancellation.
What they're sending out.
And I was like, oh, like, hold on.
Like, I just need, you guys did a lot of math on the backend and now I'm trying to figure
out like, if that's actually possible, I just need a minute.
And if you want to hear what John's talking about.
All right, my brain hurts.
John episode number five.

(48:34):
Yeah.
Yes, your speakers are working.
Yes, your speakers are working.
Still to this day, the most popular episode.
Yep.
Way to go, John.
I don't know that I had anything to do with that, but it was mostly me saying.
It was your report on the conference.
RCF is amazing.
RCF is pretty good.
I mean, there were a bunch, they were, they were really nice and it was really amazing
to listen to all these high end speakers and be like, wow, there really is very, like they

(48:56):
all have very distinct sounds, but not, not a single one of these would you listen to
and be like, yeah, that's crap.
Except for when they put us right in front of the QSCs and we're like, loud.
I was going like, okay, these need to be not right in front of my face.

(49:17):
Like when I was just so much.
When I first started in audio and video stuff professionally, way back, way back, way back
in the two triple zeros.
Oh my gosh.
The place I was working for had acronyms for a lot of the two triple, had acronyms for

(49:38):
a lot of the different sound companies and they would refer to JBL as just bloody loud.
Just bloody loud.
They're not the best speaker out there, but they're loud.
They are.
And sometimes it's what you want.
It's like when MKBHD does his camera, like phone camera side by side, turns out mostly

(50:01):
what people like vote for in a phone camera side by side is the brightest picture.
Yep.
Interesting.
Like, I'm not saying that that's the best picture because there's all kinds of things
that can go into that.
But if they're just doing like a quick not pixel like peeping, like not whatever, just
looking at two pictures side by side, usually it's the brighter picture that's going to

(50:23):
win.
That is crazy.
There's some psychology there.
I think so.
There is.
I know that when you're designing a theater or a video space, as far as conferencing and
viewing goes, there are some calculations that an engineer or designer would run that
have to do with how something bright in the room is almost an unavoidable distraction.

(50:48):
Like if you're looking at a screen and there's something over here that's a certain luminescence
brighter than what you're looking at, it will draw your attention.
I'm just saying we've got two enormous windows in our great room.
And so we had to do a lot of work to make the stage brighter and got a lot of pushback
on how many lights we put in.

(51:08):
And it was like, well, this has to be brighter because that's pretty bright.
Or you're going to squirrel.
Yeah.
I mean, oh, wow.
Squirrel.
Keep the shades down.
Yeah, no, they can't do that.
It's everybody's favorite part of the worship service.
Anyway.
Now, one of the things somebody in the audience right now is going, what about latency?

(51:34):
That's exactly what we were all thinking.
Tell me about what latency.
I just was like, man, I got to talk about that.
But I forgot until now.
If I was listening, I probably would have been saying that.
What about latency?
Dante is great, I feel.
Some people could probably argue it with me.
I'm no expert here.

(51:55):
But they some challenge accepted.
Oh, no, here we go.
So I have a debate partner.
I have nothing.
Okay.
So the latency between certain devices is set to five milliseconds.
Okay.
Which is quite fast.

(52:16):
Yeah, that's really fast.
Through the Dante training that I did.
That's like right at the end perceptible.
Yeah.
Well, they would say if you were a drummer and your microphone was catching the audio,
putting it on to Dante, receiving it at your headphone amplifier and sending it to your
ears, Dante would probably beat the audio to your ears than just acoustically traveling
the six, five or six feet from the kick drum up to your head.

(52:38):
Most impressive.
I mean, that's like right at a second a foot.
Yeah, it's like that.
So I'm like, I don't think it's five feet from your kick drum to your head.
No.
If you're playing standing up.
I just, I'm going to go ahead and call bull on that.
But it is really fast.
It's really fast.
And there are certain.
It is imperceptible fast.

(52:59):
There are differences.
That is ridiculous.
There are certain devices within the Dante lineup that can come down to one millisecond,
which is kind of crazy.
I can't imagine.
I can't imagine you can go a switch hop at that rate.
No, so, but you wouldn't need to, because if you're going to switch hop, that means
you're covering a pretty significant distance.

(53:21):
Or you just needed way more ports.
You gotta switch at this stage.
I'm trying to.
Yeah, I'm trying to like, that's a switch hop.
That is a switch hop.
Right.
But anyway.
Yeah.
So, but everything, if everything is going through that switch hop, then it is really
hard to tell the difference.
Man, that's something to think about.

(53:44):
Stay on the switch.
I can tell you that they allow you to build in latency in the signal path with the controller.
So you could say, Hey, I want all of my devices run in a 10 millisecond latency.
And what happens is, with the way they run their clock on the network, even if it's there
early, it'll wait.
It'll wait so that it hits the 10 millisecond latency so that everything lines up.

(54:08):
So they're, they boast a fairly, I don't know the proper word, time synchronized audio across
multiple channels.
Yeah.
It is, I mean, it is important to notice though, like if you are doing what you said at the
beginning with, with trying to send something across multiple buildings and stuff like that,

(54:28):
like there, there is a certain amount of latency.
If it's outdoors, especially if you can hear the original signal from where the delay is
coming from, or if you can hear the original signal next to the speaker that is also sending,
you are going to hear that speaker and then you're going to hear the original sound and
it's going to sound like that.

(54:49):
Like that, Oh gosh, like I'm hearing two of everything.
So that's why you would delay the far side to match the, you would, you would delay from
the source, you would delay the far side to match the near side, reaching the far side.
Does that make sense?

(55:10):
I think the way you're, I can tell you that in one situation where I have it, if you know
where the hearing throughout the towers camp, the basketball court that was way in the back,
there's speakers on the patio of that right now.
You can hear those speakers where the old Tom Tom current office is.
And then if you come further down towards the entrance of camp, before I added delay

(55:32):
to the office, which is the speakers closest to me, I would get a slap from the, I would
hear the office and then I would hear the gym, the office and hear the gym.
Yeah.
So I would delay the office so that it lined up to the, so that it lines up with the child
audio when the whatever is closest to you has to be delayed to hear the farther away,

(55:55):
which again messes with you.
If you then go the other direction, I'm not going into that.
You hang in with us, Chris hanging in there.
I feel like you're calling me delayed the house.
I am not.
Yeah.
How's the Guinness over there?
The Guinness is quite good.
It's you can, I think you can figure it, configure it all the way out to, I want to say 50 milliseconds.

(56:18):
You can get out that far.
Dang.
And I, I don't know that you would ever use that in a live audio application.
No, I don't know why you would do 50 milliseconds.
But I could see that in a distributed audio setup.
Like if you were like here, you've got three buildings on the same campus.
Like if you wanted to put all of them to 50 and then they all come out at 50, that would
build in some, uh, the buffer,

(56:40):
the ability to be a little late on a packet exchange and still get it out on time.
I mean, this is the whole, like we use Rezzy for our live stream.
They, they, they have a built in minute and 30 second delay so that if there's packet
loss, they can go back and not miss anything, not miss anything.
Yeah.

(57:01):
It's really nice.
And they love when there's a problem.
Yeah, they sure do.
It's also a good thing.
It is.
Hey, uh, you don't have, except for that one time that.
They just didn't turn on the encoder.
Nevermind.
There's some, there's some things that you just can't like, I don't know.
I don't know.

(57:21):
Maybe you can.
I'm just bad at this.
I guess.
It's a layer eight problem.
It is a layer eight problem for sure.
I feel like one of the most common use cases for Dante though is a snake splitting.
Yeah.
Probably the most common use case.
Which is a big deal.
I mean, you remember, you remember for sure the, you know, snake splits that are hardware

(57:44):
transformer isolated.
I mean those things were, I mean, when you used to have to carry the snakes on your shoulder
because they were that many channels and the cables are like that big, you're, you're winding
them like you do a pool vacuum, like coil.

(58:07):
When they get that big, I just, I just squat down on the floor and I do it up on the floor.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He even it over.
I mean, there's nothing else to do, but that's that's old school problems.
Now we got cat five.
We can just put that over your elbow.
Sorry.
Cat six, six, eight, cat six, eight, and just throw it over your elbow and go to town.

(58:29):
Right.
You know, they make fiber.
Yeah.
Tactical fiber.
Ooh, yes.
That feels like I should be making body armor out of it.
I don't think it would work very well.
Is that no?
Yeah.
Don't do that.
It'll survive somebody stepping on it.
That's important.
I think they drew a truck over it.
They did on gravel.

(58:50):
But what happens if they put it, what happens if they put a backhoe like shovel?
Backhoe wins every time.
Every time.
It doesn't even have to be sharpened.
No, no, it doesn't.
Or new.
Just big.
Hydraulic pressure.
Hydraulic pressurized.
It's gonna gonna happen.
Oh my gosh.
But yeah, there's yeah, it's been fun.

(59:13):
It's been fun to play with it.
It's been fun to come up with use cases for it.
Yeah, I can't wait.
They're definitely like that's I mean, I think I think all of us have a little bit of that
itch to like try the thing.
We just want to try the thing.
We just want to see like what what what can I what problem can I solve with this?

(59:33):
You know what I mean?
It's another tool in the tool.
It's another tool in the tool.
Like I would love to solve a problem with this.
That would be so much fun.
But knowing that solutions limitations is really important inside of that.
Because there's some some places that are talking about using Dante for like their entire,
you know, front of house setup.

(59:54):
And I'm like, I just it's still in that Wi Fi category to me where it's like I don't
I understand that it works.
And there's a certain level where I'm okay with like this living here.
But I still want to cable for some things.
So you're saying instead of any XLR, they're just doing straight up Dante.

(01:00:16):
Yeah, with all cat cable.
Yeah.
Interesting.
And they're going to they're going to their front of house and they're going to their
live stream with it.
Wow.
I see a lot of places that are using it for mission critical pieces.
They're doing it on an isolated network.
They're not trying to be land that on some other now they have they have switches that

(01:00:38):
are totally Yes.
That's what they're for.
And then in the very mission critical side of things, they'll run to isolated networks
because a lot of the professional Dante cards have a primary secondary.
And that's what I'm seeing is a lot of like there's what it is providing is redundancy
that they wouldn't have over other stuff.
And like, I get that.
But you've got to like go there.

(01:01:00):
Like you can't half ass that solution.
Like you've got a whole ass that solution.
Thank you, Ron.
I appreciate it.
Don't half ass two jobs.
Whole ass one job.
Man oh man.
It's real.
Yeah, yeah.
But that's Yeah, I've got the seed man in my head.

(01:01:23):
He said it.
The seed man.
It's real.
It's real.
There it is.
Just an arbitrary scream.
Yes.
For no particular reason.
Alex Jones is good for fun.
Don't take him seriously.
On a side note, Dante Dante does training online that it currently is free.

(01:01:46):
I like free free.
It's kind of a video based training.
The guy is a little not hard to listen to.
But his cadence is very intriguing.
What would they what would they be if they weren't right?
A training video.
And then they take you do tests.
If anybody out there is Dante certification program.
If anybody out there is CTS or any of the AVIXA AVIXA, CTS, CTSD, CSI, or maybe just

(01:02:12):
CTS.
But it stands for certified technology specialist.
The Dante training does count as renewal credits towards your continuing education.
This is Dante mastery certification.
And now I have a new goal.
One thing I learned when I started the Dante training.
They're doing video now.

(01:02:34):
Dante video.
Yes, you blew my mind with that not too long ago.
Like road doing video.
You got Dante doing video.
Which I mean, it's not again, you're like, hey, it's not a big leap.
I was talking to Chad about this.
Chad Larson about this, this morning, actually, the whole like, you got road going from, oh,

(01:02:57):
we're making microphones.
Oh, we're making audio interfaces.
Oh, we're making a video interface.
And it's like, oh, that makes sense.
As opposed to Yamaha.
Well, they make motorcycles.
That it's like, oh, we make motorcycles.
And trumpets.
And piano.
And pianos and mixers and speakers.

(01:03:17):
Like what?
It's the Swiss army.
What redheaded nephew.
There's no redheads in Japan.
Oh, that's true.
Nevermind.
I shouldn't say that.
It's a very general statement.
It might be that was ignorant.
But I mean, seriously, it seems like all of a sudden, like if Yamaha was Walmart, they

(01:03:38):
just, they got into everything all of a sudden.
I don't know how that happened, but it's like, you know what?
We need to be able to make motorcycles and pianos is really important.
And we got to be able to play them while riding while riding.
That's some Schroeder stuff right there.
Anyway, Schroeder, liking that reference.

(01:04:01):
You got a, I got a couple of things, a couple of things.
I guess we'll go with a new one.
For tonight, I'm going to call it the bearing gear drunk tank drum tank drunk drunk tank.
I was like drum tank.
I've never heard of that.
I got to get the mic for that drum.

(01:04:22):
Yeah.
Regretfully have to do a retraction slash correction.
Okay.
But you weren't drunk.
No, I wouldn't draw.
Was it the triple mash?
No, it was not the triple mash.
The triple mash was when he was on the, it was when he was on the Rasputin and that'll
just make you say some crazy stuff right there.
Oh, the bitters.

(01:04:42):
Oh yeah.
As you're trying to handle the bitter aftertaste.
Yikes.
So a couple of shows ago, thought I had an amazing tip for everybody.
Go to BJ's couple of great off the menu beers.
One of them happened to be a black lager, which sounded good.
And those are there.
Where?

(01:05:03):
Some of the time.
Because I talked to the lady at the bar.
No, what she didn't, couldn't get you was the growler.
No, she couldn't get me the black lager.
What?
Yeah.
She, I said, I need to get a growler of the black lager.
She said, which one?
I'm like, the black lager that's supposed to be one not on the menu.

(01:05:25):
And she's like, what are you talking about?
I was here a couple of weeks ago and the waitress said y'all had a black lager that was off
the menu.
She's gaslighting.
Yeah.
I feel like she totally tricked me.
Now that you're saying that she's saying that the beer doesn't exist.
I'm like, no, that's gaslighting right there.
We're going back.
She told me the beer doesn't exist.
All right.

(01:05:46):
We're on our way.
We'll let you know.
There's still some more due diligence to be done here.
But we may have told you some misinformation.
I want everyone who's listening to this to go to a BJ's and be like, where is the black
lager?
Off the menu black lager.
Off the menu black lager.
I'm in the no.
Yes.

(01:06:07):
So more details to come, but I was quite disappointed.
Oh my gosh.
That's terrible.
My friends is why I have the Guinness.
Yeah.
It's really important.
Cause that was a destruction of my quest.
Yeah.
I thought I was going to come here tonight.
You need three of us with a growler full of a unique beer that none of us have ever tried.

(01:06:29):
And you had to go for the comfort blanket.
I did.
So that he was snuggling earlier for those of you that couldn't see it.
Yes.
I had to lick my wounds.
And so I went to the OG, get us extra south and it is so good.
Oh, there he goes again.
So good.
I mean, highly recommend the best dark beer out there.

(01:06:49):
I know there's plenty of you out there that would argue with me, but Guinness is the only
he's not hearing it.
No, I'm not hearing it.
No.
I mean, why would you hear it?
So, all right.
Just like coffee is not a breakfast drink.
That depends on how your day's been going so far.
I don't even know what to say to that.
Chris Chris's coffee is Dr. Pepper.
It is.
We all know that is for sure his coffee.

(01:07:12):
That's the best stuff.
The best stuff.
Okay.
So last segment, we have a booster gram.
No, I know it's a don't act shocked.
Yikes.
So, so I finally got my fountain app to work again.
It's been misbehaving on me for weeks.
Yes.
So we have a booster gram for 777 sats.

(01:07:38):
Okay.
The number of completion.
That's the number of completion.
Absolutely.
Um, from yours truly, Jason court right here in the flesh with a message that says, did
John get my thanks for the PC versus Mac intro episode been struggling with fountain lately?

(01:07:59):
Hence the, and then it unfortunately cuts the message off.
Oh, listen, what were you going to say?
The initial part of that message was it was 777 for the burrito.
Oh, there you go.
So if you didn't see that, then it's, it's, it's cutting off both ends.
Well, I guess the 777 for the burrito, that almost looks like it came across to the subject.

(01:08:21):
Interesting.
And then it's, but it does go to, um, no, seven layer burrito.
Apparently.
Um, thanks, Albie.
You made some changes.
Let me read that again.
Did John get my things from the last PC versus Mac intro episode?
Yeah.
But struggling with fountain lately, hence the lack of boosts.

(01:08:43):
Thanks a lot.
They're a fountain.
You're dipping into our big bucks.
Not cool.
If it was that critical, I could have found a different way to get them to you, but I
was determined to get this app to do it.
That's three months of no boosts because the rest of y'all apparently don't get any benefit
from the show.
On the PC versus Mac episode, I thought I boosted, but I don't know if it ever came

(01:09:08):
through that was.
I would say no, because the last boost from you is June 24th.
Interesting.
So John was making some comment about how he was using a windows machine at the time.
I was.
He was.
And he gave up like a little girl.
All right, you're cut off.
I boosted in the episode and I was...

(01:09:30):
It's true.
You gave up.
I did give up.
I wouldn't say like a little girl, but...
Oh yeah.
Sorry, Tori.
Yeah, right?
Tori, he doesn't mean it.
She's not listening.
It doesn't matter.
Still, it's out there for perpetuity.
Even my wife isn't listening.

(01:09:52):
I'll have to figure out how to get Tori's mind.
Don't worry about it.
This boost came from Tori.
I said that boost thanking John for running with the PC for us other AV guys that...
Yeah, it didn't go well.
No.
Sorry.
There's so many applications that we use that are windows only.
There is a windows machine that I have running that I can use for that stuff.

(01:10:16):
Correct.
But that's what I do too.
I was just grateful you were taking the bullet and actually running the PC.
No, it's so bad.
Sorry, Chris.
Go back to the PC.
I'm sorry, Chris.
I didn't mean it.
I wasn't trying to be hurtful.
Anyway.

(01:10:38):
I agree.
He wasn't trying to be hurtful.
There was nothing thrown across the room.
Except for that bottle.
The cap of the bottle.
The cap of the bottle.
That's it.
No ninja stars or anything.
Jason, I cannot tell you how grateful we are to have had you on this podcast.
Do you have any other questions about Dante?
I mean, I'm sure we do.

(01:10:59):
So you're going to have to come back.
That's all there is to it.
I see what you did there.
Yeah.
It's called working at a church.
Always trying to bring him back.
Yes.
Can't tell you everything this time.
No, no, no.
Just enough to...
What your...
Well, I was, as the hour came closer, I was a little nervous.

(01:11:21):
And I don't know exactly why.
I just was.
Because it's all the thousands of people out there listening.
Hello.
Yeah.
I mean, how often do you talk to New Zealand?
Never.
Not very often.
Yes, that did complete the set, by the way.
Never.
Oh, and then one last fun little number.
Yeah.
We hit a milestone.
Is Australia on the...
Drumroll, please.

(01:11:41):
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Total number of downloads.
Yeah.
600.
Hey-o.
That's big time.
Yeah.
I mean, what marketing goes into this show?
None.
None at all.
I don't...
Yeah, no.
I tell Jason.
It's simple for him.
Hey, Jason.
There's a new episode.
There's a new episode.
Wayne, if you're out there listening still, I hope we crank the knob up loud enough for

(01:12:03):
you.
There you go.
There's a few.
Thanks, Wayne.
There's a few.
My most recent boss is apparently a new listener.
Yeah.
I'm sorry about that.
His boss too.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
It's important to know so we don't...
I have eight different bosses, Bob.
Oh my gosh.
Bob.

(01:12:24):
Basically, I'm just trying not to get in trouble.
That's right.
I don't remember much about that movie, but it is hilarious.
Yeah, my only real motivation is to not screw up.
So that way I don't have eight different people telling me what I did wrong.
That's a paraphrase.
That's a...
You get the...
I believe you have my...
I believe you have my stabler.
It's a swing line.

(01:12:44):
Can you tell me about the boss stitch versus the swing line, please?
Hey, dude.
Channel 9.
It's been fun, guys.
Truly.
Thanks for being here, man.
Appreciate you.
We're going off the rails.
Chris, always a pleasure.
Absolutely.
Enjoyed it.
Thank you, Jason.
Cheers.
That means recording.

(01:13:26):
I don't know.
I don't know what you did.
I was holding the...
Oh.
Here it is.

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