December 10, 2024 • 68 mins
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Chimay Cinq Cent - https://chimay.com/us/beers/chimay-triple-us/
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(00:00):
DAY 1
(00:30):
Hey Chris, how we doing?
Hey everybody, how you doing?
John, how you doing?
I'm doing great.
Yeah, it's one of those late night recording sessions, feeling good about that.
Has that just been sitting on that table?
Apparently it has.
I love it.
Wow.
All right.
(00:50):
Okay, no big deal.
Yeah.
We have a memory from a-
Bastrip.
Bastrip.
From a podcast gone by sitting on our table.
I took a page out of Jason Court's-
Yes you did.
Playbook and I don't know that it's worked out quite as well.
Well, you tried.
(01:11):
I tried.
I appreciate it.
Jason, props to you.
But we got us a Christmas present, put it that way.
So today we will be drinking the-
Look at that.
Sink Scents.
It's the white label Chimay.
(01:32):
I have not tried that one yet.
Okay.
Well, we're going to try it.
I have a small bottle of it at the house, which is why it came with the goblet.
Oh yeah.
Did you happen to see that when you were there?
The goblet?
Yeah, the whole set.
No, the whole set wasn't there whenever I-
Oh, bummer.
Well, it wasn't where I was looking.
I could put it that way.
I know where you were at so that the one directly behind you, you have to go around on the back
(01:57):
end cap, down on the very bottom shelf.
It probably was there.
But you get four different ones.
Four different ones.
Plus a goblet.
Plus a goblet.
Because it's green, red, blue.
White and gold.
Oh, white and gold.
This is, okay.
Yes.
White and gold, green and, or not green, blue and red.
(02:19):
Or maybe I'm getting it wrong.
Yeah, red, blue, green and I guess the gold.
Okay.
I don't know if these are different.
There's four.
There's four of them and they've got this cool twist top.
Yeah.
By twist top, I mean-
It's like opening up a bottle of fancy wine or champagne.
(02:39):
There's a bottle of champagne, which I will tell you, we almost didn't get to enjoy this
because my son comes running around the corner at our house and goes, dad, there's champagne
in the refrigerator, which usually means that he's about to try to go outside and open it
with a knife.
Uh-oh.
Like do that whole like thing.
(03:01):
Yeah.
And I was like, no.
No it's not.
Please don't.
Don't do that.
Please.
So we're going to try this.
All right.
But I also, this is the other part of the-
Oh.
Hold on.
Okay.
I got us-
Oh, look at that.
(03:22):
Mugs.
That's a mug.
And they are actual mugs.
That's impressive.
So-
We got to turn that into merch.
Well, see, so what I was thinking and I've gotten the instructions from a friend of mine
on how to etch these things, but I haven't worked up the bravery to actually do it.
We actually, I think we've got a contact on that.
(03:44):
Do we?
We do.
I need to make sure his wife still does it, but Jason's wife, from my understanding-
Has done etching before?
It does it.
Okay.
So-
Yeah.
I got taught how to do it and by taught, I mean emailed how to do it.
But let me just tell you, it's pretty terrifying.
Pop the top, man.
You may have to talk for a second so I can concentrate.
(04:06):
No problem.
I will see Mr. Jason tomorrow and I will find out if his wife still does that.
Okay.
And if so, we've got something to work up.
All right, here it goes.
Boom.
I told Kate it wasn't going to do that just to get him not to touch it, but it totally
did.
He got some air, folks.
I mean, it definitely hit the ceiling.
(04:27):
Yeah, you hit the-
I don't think we have a divot, but-
No, you hit the ceiling.
It came off the table.
Feeling good.
Nice.
Glug, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug.
That's got a nice head on it.
That's all head.
Okay.
Wow.
Maybe I can do better with the second one.
(04:48):
That's looking good.
That's looking good.
Oh.
Oh yeah.
Oh boy.
I don't know if that's even at all, but-
I don't know.
It'll be fine.
I actually hadn't seen that particular one in the- is that the 750?
(05:13):
I think that's the 750.
It said 750.
I hadn't seen the white.
He-
Oh, pardon me folks while I grab this mug.
Yeah, this is when I wish we had cameras going because- Chris, I don't know if I can drink
that.
(05:33):
To your point, we actually haven't done a good job.
So I'm going to take a picture.
We're going to do social media right now?
Are you about to be on social media?
No, you're social media.
I'm going to put it in the show notes.
Oh, show notes.
Okay.
Well, let me just-
You are the director of social media.
(05:53):
Yeah, don't put that on me.
I mean, oh.
Hold on.
Got it.
Now we've got a picture.
Okay.
Okay.
Not to rub salt in the wound, but my wife had mentioned the other day and said you were
(06:14):
doing the social media and she's like, yeah, you haven't posted a whole lot.
No, he doesn't do that.
Just trying to, you know, yeah, we're bad at this.
Just remember that social media is the gateway to getting them to send us stuff to-
Yeah, I hear you.
(06:35):
I really do.
Is that- okay, hold on.
I'm not going to ask you questions.
You go ahead and talk.
I'm just going to-
Do you want to pass the bottle my way?
Do something for a little bit.
Oh, you want to do a reading of the-
Yeah.
Let's see what we got.
There's always got to be something here.
So yes, the Chamei Sincense brewed in Belgium.
(07:01):
God, I love it.
Oh, thank you, Trappists.
We really appreciate you.
You're doing great work.
Okay.
So here we go.
The registered trademark Trappist certifies that this L was brewed within the walls of
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an existing Trappist monastery under the control of the Trappist community.
A major part of the sales revenue is used by the monks to support charitable works.
That's what I'm talking about.
You give them the money, you get amazing beer, they get to do God's work.
I love it.
It's a win-win.
(07:43):
The exceptional yeast isolated by Father Theodore combined with the purity of the highly protected
water of the Abbey's wells gives Chamei, I need to find out if I've ever been saying
that right.
Yeah, right.
It's unique richness.
Since 1862, Chamei's secondary fermented Ls have neither been pasteurized nor filtered
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and only natural ingredients are used to fully appreciate the agreeable combination of fresh
hops and yeast of the Chamei Sink Scents serve chilled, which we are.
We are.
It is definitely chilled.
It is.
And a wide mouth glass, you check the box there as well.
(08:31):
Nailed it.
Contains barley and wheat.
This is some of the thickest glass I've seen in a while, just for the record.
Absolutely.
Did you find this at the same store?
Yeah.
Nice.
And they were the last two.
They have wine glasses, they have like little, you know, women liquor glasses.
They have all kinds of things.
(08:52):
There are very, there are not as many pints as I would have expected.
But there were like zero mugs.
And then I looked behind these Hello Kitty things that were sitting in the wrong place
and I was like, nobody's trying to hide those mugs and I'm going to take them.
Yes, it does sound that way.
(09:13):
And on the back, it does give you the caution, contents under pressure.
Use extreme caution and point bottle away from yourself and others when opening.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Don't, don't get hit in the face because that would have hurt.
And if you live in a handful of states, you can turn the bottle in and get some money
back.
We're not doing that.
And it does have a government warning.
(09:35):
Nice.
The typical, if you are a woman and you are pregnant, you should not drink alcohol.
I agree.
Absolutely.
More for us.
Let your husband drink the alcohol.
I mean, sure.
Yeah.
Why not?
Take one for the team.
I'm drinking this for you, dear.
I love you.
(09:58):
All right.
Oh yeah.
Consumption of alcohol impairs your ability to drive a car or operate machinery.
It may cause health problems.
True statement.
Okay.
I am, I am posting on social media right now.
(10:19):
So it is happening.
It's happening.
If my wife is by her phone, which I suspect she is, I would think that, did you put it
on Facebook?
I guess before I go down this road?
Cause I know you didn't put it on Instagram.
No, we don't have an Instagram.
Cause they're being jerks.
Yeah.
It's on, it's on Facebook.
Okay.
(10:40):
And she should get a notification here in a second.
I would like to think.
Publish now.
She'll get to see.
We actually posted.
Nice.
Nice, nice.
Yeah.
I guess cheers.
Cheers, man.
Clink.
I mean like clunk maybe.
(11:01):
Okay.
This is, this is, I'm going to get some.
You're going to need some paper towel.
God bless the monks.
That's good stuff.
I'm in favor.
I'm in favor of monks.
I will admit when I first saw the color, I was a little nervous.
(11:25):
Yeah.
Made me think hazy IPA, but that is amazing.
I think, I mean, you know, like you can say hazy.
It definitely has that we're not looking through the beer.
We're looking into the beer.
Exactly.
Situation going on, but I'm just going to call that just good old fashioned.
(11:46):
We made this from home.
Yes.
Well, I mean, they were very clear in the blurb that it is not filtered.
Not filtered.
Awesome.
But it tastes way better than an IPA.
Oh my gosh.
It's so good.
If you haven't had a Trappist beer, may we recommend?
(12:06):
Oh yeah.
Chamay.
Absolutely.
I don't think we've had a bad one yet.
Nope.
We weren't as big a fans of blue.
Yeah.
That was a little more fruity, but still good.
Yeah.
I think the red was the red was more.
I think the red is still my favorite.
I think you would like the Dore, the spice that I had.
(12:27):
Okay.
That was good.
Okay.
This is good too.
Yeah.
I like it.
Hmm.
Still drinking.
That's, that's what it's here for.
My only thought now is we should have had two bottles.
Next time.
Next time.
(12:47):
Absolutely.
All right.
Yeah.
So what are we going to talk about?
We are back on the unified train today.
Choo choo.
Yeah.
I hope y'all enjoyed the last one.
(13:08):
Toot.
I'm still trying to comprehend some of what they're doing on the wireless side, but yeah.
I mean, that's still, that's still going to, that's still going to be hitting me for a
little bit.
Yeah.
But I think the boost again, I don't really understand the way that they're doing the
(13:31):
wider channels, giving more options.
I have to be reading that wrong.
Yep.
But anyway.
We'll see.
So I can give a slight tease.
The boost has to do with last episode.
Uh oh.
So we'll get there.
If we do more audio stuff, I think he'll boost more.
(13:51):
Potentially.
Just saying.
Potentially.
So we'll work close to wrapping up unify, uh, as a series, I would say we've probably
got maybe one more and that'll be just kind of some of the hodgepodge accessory random
stuff that they, that they have some of, some of it makes sense.
(14:12):
And some of it still leaves me scratching my head.
Like what just happened?
So it feels in some ways that they're pulling a Google and then just kind of throwing it
all out and seeing what sticks.
I don't like that.
No, I don't have to though.
True.
Take that.
All right.
So let's hit the access points.
(14:34):
So we'll kick off with what they call their flagship.
Um, and for those listening, they did it to us again.
They've released another new one since the show notes were put together.
We just, we just had to get some other stuff out of the way and you know, he can't be.
(14:54):
Yeah.
Oh, actually it looks like there is, Ooh, I didn't see those.
There are a couple of extra.
Oh, hey, unifying bonus equipment.
Hey, yes.
So we will start kind of where we where we've got it, update the notes.
It's gonna be great.
And here we go folks.
(15:15):
Hold on.
So starting in their flagship, they begin with the U six plus.
That is the standard frisbee looking dish that they are very well known for.
Comes in at $129.
So what did you call it?
The frisbee dish.
That's, that's what it looks like.
(15:35):
It does look like it looks like a frisbee runs on standard POE.
You get 2.4 gigahertz and five gigahertz.
Both is two by two multi-user MIMO on the 2.4 gigahertz.
You can get a maximum of 573 megabits.
Good luck trying.
You're not going to get it, but that is the theoretical maximum.
(15:59):
And then on the five gigahertz, they're saying 2.4 gigabits per second.
So 21, was it like 21.1 gigawatts or something like that?
All right.
One point 21, one point 21.
There you go.
One point 21 gigawatts.
I mean, you remember when that was like unheard of?
(16:20):
Yes.
Yes.
But even then there were still Iranian terrorists causing trouble.
Why not?
Here we are.
It still happens.
All right.
So that is a, I guess I should have said that is Wi-Fi 6.
They call it 6 plus, but it's Wi-Fi 6.
(16:41):
Not a bad radio to start out with if you're getting into this in your being cost conscience.
From there, we jump up to the U6 long range, $179, runs on POE plus.
POE plus?
Yes.
POE is your friend.
POE.
2.4 gigahertz and 5 gigahertz are both 4 by 4 multi-user MIMO.
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2.4 gigahertz has a maximum of 600 megabits per second.
And the 5 gigahertz has the maximum 2.4 gigabits.
They call it long range for a reason.
It pops out a little more power so you can get a little more reach and punch out of this
versus the standard access point.
(17:27):
Try to remember if you were there with us, John, this reminds me way, way back when we
were first evaluating ubiquity radios for Pine Cove.
We were on a trip to central Texas and we were at Crier Creek.
(17:48):
We set up the long range access point in the old hitching post.
No, I'm sorry, not in the hitching post.
It was in the Big Horn.
And I was able to walk all the way over to the front porch of the hitching post and stayed
connected to that access point.
No, I remember this.
Yeah.
It was at a staff retreat.
(18:10):
Okay.
I just remember just being blown away.
Like what is that?
Because I mean, that's insane because the radio was indoors and I was at least 200 to
300 feet away.
And I could actually pass traffic.
So when they say long range, they do mean long range.
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But disclosure, your experience may vary.
Don't hold me to it.
Always.
Yes.
So from there, they go to the U6 Pro, $159 runs on POE plus.
Again, 2.4 and 5 gigahertz are four by four multi-user MIMO.
2.4 gigahertz will get you 573 megabits.
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Five gigahertz will jump up to 4.8 gigabits.
So not bad.
And then from there, they jump to the U6 Enterprise.
Again, all of these are still within the Wi-Fi 6.
So this one is $279.
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Actually this moves into 6E.
So this is again powered by POE plus.
2.4 gigahertz is two by two MIMO, multi-user MIMO.
Five gigahertz is four by four multi-user MIMO and six gigahertz.
That is introduced with 6E.
That is also four by four multi-user MIMO.
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Yes.
2.4 gigahertz will get you 573 megabits.
Five gigahertz will get you the 4.8 gigabits.
And you also get 4.8 gigabits on the 6 gigahertz as well.
It's funny every time.
You'll get tired of it eventually.
I mean, I'm not going to.
(20:02):
Maybe the listeners are.
So from here, now we jump into their Wi-Fi 7 range.
OK, Wi-Fi 7.
I'm feeling pretty hot to try it right now.
Wi-Fi 7 fixed.
Well, how do I want to say that?
6E technically fixed Wi-Fi 6.
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So I don't think I would say that 7 fixed Wi-Fi 6E.
So I would say that it really is a true step up.
All right, so U7 Pro, $189, powered by PoE+.
2.4, 5 gigahertz, and 6 gigahertz are all two by two multi-user MIMO.
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2.4 gigahertz is 688 megabits.
5 gigahertz is 4.3 gigabits.
And 6 gigahertz is 5.7 gigabits.
Eventually you're going to get tired of it.
I mean, you keep saying it.
It's just not happening yet.
We'll see.
We'll see.
And then from there, you jump up to the U7 Pro Max at $279.
(21:08):
Again, powered by PoE+, 2.4 gigahertz is two by two multi-user MIMO.
5 gigahertz, this is kind of interesting.
5 gigahertz gives you 4 by 4 multi-user MIMO, but 6 gigahertz goes back to two by two multi-user
MIMO.
So not sure why they chose that into the design.
(21:30):
Because sometimes they like to give you PoE and sometimes they don't.
I guess.
I guess.
They haven't asked us these questions.
No, they haven't.
Hopefully they will.
We're waiting for the phone call.
2.4 gigahertz will get you 688 megabits.
5 gigahertz will get you the 8.6 gigabits.
And 6 gigahertz gets you 5.7 gigabits.
(21:53):
Okay, so now this is where we get into new.
I'm not going to worry about the order.
I'm just going to go with what I got.
I got this one at least on the show notes.
So new for them is their E7, and that's all it's called is E7, which means enterprise.
So it is $499.
(22:14):
That's some cheddar, but way cheaper than what you would pay Cisco or anybody else for
this type of equipment.
And you don't have to pay for them.
You don't have to pay the extra licensing.
That's true.
Now this one is a little power hungry because it does require PoE++.
Yes.
So, but then you've got 2.4 gigahertz.
(22:37):
Can you remind me what the breakdown is?
Plus is over 15.
So PoE is 15.4.
PoE plus is, I'm sorry, 15.4 watts.
PoE plus is 30 watts.
PoE++ is 60 watts.
60 watts.
And there is a plus plus plus.
Of course.
That will push you up to, I've seen some people say 90 watts, some say 100 watts.
(23:01):
So a lot, a lot going on there.
So 2.4 gigahertz is two by two MIMO.
Five gigahertz and six gigahertz are four by four multi-user MIMO.
2.4 gigahertz will give you 688 megabits.
The five gigahertz will give you 8.6 gigabits.
And the six gigahertz, this is amazing.
(23:23):
I want to see it.
11.5 gigabits.
That is nuts.
If you could even get remotely close.
I'm trying to wrap my head around the speed that we're talking about here.
I mean, you're talking better than 10 gig.
And then it's flying through the air.
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I mean, I just imagine like these little knives just constantly being thrown.
Why is it knives?
It's just the guy in me.
That's just the guy in me.
Just the guy in me.
Going with what makes sense here.
Yes.
Okay.
So then they do have others.
So we actually just talked about that.
That is the E7.
(24:06):
Oh, that one actually has dual Nick.
I did not see that a while ago.
Nice.
Okay.
So getting into the Wi-Fi.
Okay.
The AP has dual Nick.
Yes.
So you are able to split that.
(24:33):
So it just redundancy.
It kind of again, it depends on what they're doing.
So in previous models, like the one that we have up on the ceiling above us, there's a
second Nick in that.
But it was, it serves as a pass through.
So you bring the initial lead in with POE radio comes online.
You could plug something else into the other side.
(24:54):
But it's just a pass through.
So like if you had a camera, that'd be great, but you would have to have something else
to inject POE into it.
Or if you were going to come off of that and then come down to a switch or something that
doesn't require POE or even a computer for that matter, it would be, it could be useful
(25:14):
depending on what you're trying to do.
So do they, so one is primary, the other is high availability.
So I would take that to mean if one was to fail, it can roll over to the other.
So not bad.
Okay.
So where did I see?
(25:36):
Oh, wow.
Okay.
So they have an E7 campus.
So if you remember from the switch show, those were expensive.
Now we broke into campus.
So this is the E7 campus, $799 says it will be available starting in January.
(25:57):
And boy does that thing have a hefty mount.
Wow.
I mean, if you look at the picture, you'll see what I'm talking about.
Because I would say based off of this, they are pretty much intending for you to mount
this outdoors.
Oh yeah.
No.
Because everything they're showing is pole mount.
Oh, I guess this one technically is a ceiling mount, but the vast majority of what they're
(26:18):
showing is outdoor based pole mount.
Wow.
That okay.
I was not prepared for that.
I mean, guys, if you don't know what we're talking about, then it's just a lot funnier.
Okay.
So 2.2, I'm sorry, 2.4.
(26:41):
I'm crossing my numbers is two by two multi-user MIMO five and six gigahertz or four by four
multi-user MIMO 2.4 gigahertz will give you 688 megabits.
Five gigahertz will give you 8.6 gigabits and six gigahertz.
Still laughing folks.
We'll give you 11.5 gigabits.
(27:01):
It's not the beer I swear.
I would hope not.
Not yet.
So, but again, that is power hungry POE plus plus.
Yeah.
Strain that that's going to put not strain, but like, there's not too many of these that
can fit on the same switch.
No, no, no, no, no, no, not pulling that kind of power.
(27:23):
I am starting to realize exactly what we're dealing with here in terms of usability.
Yeah.
And this specifically says wall pole pole mount for precision.
Man, I can't speak for precise position.
And there is also a 100 by 100 visa mount compatibility.
So there you go.
(27:45):
All right.
And then the last one is really, really expensive.
So they I think I have it on the list later.
There's one that is they call the base station.
And that is really meant for like sporting events, crazy high number of people.
So this is the new one that would replace that in the Wi Fi seven range.
(28:10):
Okay.
Again, it's the E seven audience.
Getting fancy with the names.
That doesn't sound like Apple at all.
No, no, no, no.
This one shows available March of 2025.
Thanks.
And we'll see.
Yeah.
This is a fairly large access point.
(28:31):
This isn't something that you would just hang on your ceiling.
This is a definitely not a drop ceiling.
No, no, no, no, no.
You're going to need some you are you are talking wood beams to screw this thing into.
So to give some some reference here, it is 18 inches by 10 inches by 1.7 inches.
(28:52):
So hold your arm up.
Yes, pretty much.
It is big.
And again, this one would also have a beefy mount.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
But again, it has to be.
And this one is also IP 68 for water and dust.
Okay.
So what do we get here?
(29:13):
Oh, wow.
No 2.4 gigahertz.
It's like why even bother?
That's intriguing because I've been talking to some folks and saying, at what point do
you just let go of 2.4 gigahertz?
Because there's so much going on there.
Just get rid of it.
You know, it would be interesting to see if they do is to make just another division where
it's like 2.4 gigahertz now is used for certain things, but not for, you know, this this type
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of data traffic.
Yep.
Well, what we are experimenting with just kind of to your point, too, with something
else with it, 2.4 gigahertz is not broadcasting on the Pine Cove Wi Fi network anymore.
Okay.
It is exclusively five gigahertz.
Okay.
So essentially, we'll get some 6C and introduce six gigahertz to it.
2.4 is being used for guest and for IoT.
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Nice.
Yes.
Because we've had some spots in particular in town to where there are so many people
who don't know how to use proper channels for 2.4 that we just said we're just not going
to do it.
Yeah, no, I mean, that that makes a lot of sense to me.
There's a lot of, you know, you're seeing a lot of gear related stuff adopt five gigahertz
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now because 2.4 is so unusable.
But I feel like it would be more usable if everything else got off of it.
If you know what I mean.
Microwaves.
Just saying.
Yep.
All right.
So no 2.4.
It does have five and six gigahertz.
Both are four by four.
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Multi user MIMO.
Five gigahertz will give you eight point six gigabits and six gigahertz will give you the
eleven point five gigabits.
I want to see it.
I'm just struggling to believe it.
I know that's a theoretical number, so they're not going to say, oh, yeah, sure.
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Let me show you.
No.
So, oh, yeah, there you go.
When you scroll down a little bit more, it says supported data rates.
And so you get seven point three megabits to eleven point five gigabits.
That's a big range.
Yeah.
They're going, well, you know, in a perfect scenario, eleven point five.
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Double digit megs to this is like, is this optimum math that we just got there?
You're going to get a gig.
By a gig, I mean like two hundred megs reliably.
Yes.
Yes.
Wow.
So, again, not your normal installation here.
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Typically, you're going to see this in big arenas, football.
You could potentially see this in some outdoor campus based, depending on what's going on.
So, I mean, that'd be an interesting thing, like, you know, when you have a large venue
or something like that, you just realize that part of your, like, sunk cost is that you've
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got to get one of these massive suckers for.
Yep.
Time to hover many it takes to give you coverage.
And I have to just throw that out there for some.
And if I didn't mention it before, it's two thousand dollars.
So just some small change.
No big deal.
No big deal.
It's all money.
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Yeah.
It's just this cloth that we assign value to.
I'm not going to get into that.
That's a soap box I'm not going to touch.
Why not, Chris?
That's a different podcast.
Yeah, it's a different podcast.
You're right.
OK, so we will shift gears and go into their wall mount series.
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Yeah, wall mount.
Yes, we've got a few of those still around doing quite well.
Like those things.
Yes.
So starts with their U6 extender.
Yep.
You've got one of those.
Yep.
And it works awesome.
Yes, it does.
Hundred and forty nine dollars.
Don't try to get a signal off the back of it.
No, no, no, no, no.
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It's super handy.
Yep.
So we're going to bring it into the system via Bluetooth and bring it into the system.
Two point four gigahertz is two by two multi user MIMO, which is not bad for a wall mount.
Five gigahertz will give you four by four multi user MIMO.
Two point four gigahertz will give you the five hundred and seventy three megabits and
five gigahertz will give you four point eight gigabits.
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And this thing literally just plugs into a plug.
Plugs into the wall.
I just could not get over how easy it was for me to set up.
Once again, that single screen.
You plug you plug one of these things into the wall and then it's like, hey, is that
yours?
Yeah.
You're like, yeah, that's mine.
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I'll take care of the rest of it.
What what just happened?
Man, that's good.
Good stuff.
OK, so next up is the U6 in walls, what they call it, one hundred and seventy nine dollars
can run on POE or POE plus.
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The bonus to running POE plus is that you can now pull standard POE out of one of the
copper ports built into this unit.
That's not bad.
It's kind of nice.
So you have two point four gigahertz is two by two multi user MIMO.
Five gigahertz is four by four multi user.
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Two point four gigahertz will give you a maximum of five hundred and seventy three megabits.
Five gigahertz will give you a maximum of four point eight gigabits.
Yes.
See, I was I was really hoping for the gigahertz at some point at some point during that.
But you know, I'll take the gigabits.
It's fine.
OK, still laughing.
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All right.
So that's under consideration.
All right.
So then we go to the U6 enterprise in wall.
Two hundred and ninety nine dollars POE plus with one POE port out, which is nice.
Two point four gigahertz.
That's like way is two by two multi user MIMO.
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Five gigahertz.
There you go.
Is the four by four multi user MIMO and the six gigahertz space there.
I missed the space.
You know, love finding the typos as you go through the notes.
Yes.
Four by four multi user MIMO.
Two point four gigahertz will give you five hundred and seventy three megabits.
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Five gigahertz will give you four point eight giga bits.
There you go.
Six gigahertz also gives you the same four point eight giga bits.
I don't think they've done anything new on the wall.
I hope not, because it's probably not going to make the list.
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Doesn't look like it.
Five, four, three, two, one.
Thank you guys.
Appreciate that.
All right.
So we just did.
I shouldn't have looked away.
We just did the U6 enterprise in mall.
OK, perfect.
So there is the U7 pro wall, not in wall, but just wall.
One hundred and ninety nine dollars.
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Why one was two hundred and the other is one ninety nine.
There we go.
So this is PLE plus two point four five gigahertz and six gigahertz are all two by two multi
user MIMO.
That was a little disappointing to me.
But it's all two by two, but beggars can't be choosers.
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Two point four gigahertz gives you a maximum of six hundred and eighty eight megabits.
You know, we get to the end of this.
People are going to think we're just drunk.
I mean, we're not inventing words here.
It's not our words we're inventing.
That's not we're not doing that.
We're twisting words.
Five gigahertz gives you four point eight.
Sorry.
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Four point three giga bits.
Six gigahertz gives you five point seven giga bits.
There you go.
And then we jump to the one that is quite intriguing.
The Swiss Army Knife.
This one, folks, you really should go and take a look at it on their site.
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It is an amazing little toy.
Kind of feel good about that.
Yes.
So it runs on P.O.E.
Two point four gigahertz is two by two multi user MIMO.
Five gigahertz is two by two multi user MIMO.
Two point four gigahertz gives you three hundred megabits per second.
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And five gigahertz gives you eight hundred and sixty six megabits, not gigabits, megabits
per second.
This thing is incredibly small.
And you can take it with you and set it up anywhere you want.
Incredibly versatile.
You can wall mount it, ceiling mount it.
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There's a desktop mount that it can sit on.
You can pull mount with two external antennas.
This thing is incredibly useful.
So you should go buy one.
I mean, no affiliate links, I'm afraid, though.
Not yet.
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I'll see you on Facebook.
Yes, we'll see someday.
Someday.
OK, from there you go to the U6 mesh.
This is going to be outdoor.
Swiss Army Knife is also technically going to be considered an outdoor device as well.
So the U6 mesh, one hundred seventy nine dollars powered by P.O.E.
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Two point four gigahertz is two by two multi user MIMO.
Five gigahertz is four by four multi user MIMO.
Two point four.
Dormammu.
Dormammu.
Exactly.
Dormammu.
I'm here to bargain.
Two point four gigahertz is a maximum of five hundred seventy three megabits and five gigahertz
will give you four point eight gigabits.
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I got to stay away from the movie references because I can get too deep into it.
I mean, it could go for a while.
That rug tied the room together, dude.
OK.
Moving on, moving on.
That is not an endorsement of that movie.
No, but this is a fan.
It was funny.
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Yes.
All right.
U6 mesh pro hundred nine eight nine dollars powered by P.O.E.
Two point four gigahertz and five gigahertz are two by two multi user MIMO.
Two point four gigahertz gives you five hundred and seventy three megabits.
And the five gigahertz is two point four.
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I need to correct myself there.
I said megabits, but that's probably gigabits.
Yeah, definitely.
For it to be two point four, that would be like a huge mistake.
Let's see.
Real time fact check, people.
We have definitely done weirder things, though.
So four point three gigabits.
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So I just completely miss that.
Thanks, that little typo.
OK.
And then last is the U7 outdoor hundred ninety nine dollars.
So P.O.E. plus to power it.
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Two point four and five gigahertz or gigahertz is two by two multi user MIMO.
Two point four gigahertz is six hundred and eighty eight megabits and five gigahertz is
four point three gigahertz.
Nailed it.
I'm totally going to go home and keep talking like this and my wife is going to think there's
something wrong.
What is I mean, did you join a cult?
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What did you drink tonight?
Turpentine.
Turpentine.
That was weird.
Tonight I drink with the monks.
And they were delicious.
Yes.
Not the monks, but the beer.
OK.
OK, moving on.
Now we get to bridging.
They have some pretty good options here.
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There is the.
Man, I just totally.
Blew it on these notes.
I mean, it's not the worst thing in the world.
I've seen way worse.
Well.
Oh, no, actually, I did not.
Look at that.
I got it right.
(42:09):
I got it right.
OK, so device bridge.
Ninety nine dollars passive P.O.E.
That's a bit of a bummer because that will only run on a unify switch because that's
twenty four volt.
Not forty eight like standard P.O.E.
OK, so that's a bit of a bummer.
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I was like, what are you talking?
Oh, gosh.
But if you're using unify, you really technically don't care.
But for those of you who like unify access points, but may have other switches, you would
have to use a injector to get that passive P.O.E. as they call it.
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Five gigahertz is two by two.
And it gives you.
Man, I just am having a bad night with.
Man.
It's not it's not as bad as you think.
So you're drinking this Trappist beer.
Yeah.
And then the five gigahertz gives you eight hundred and sixty six megabits per second.
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There we go.
All right.
Then you jump up to the device bridge pro hundred ninety nine dollars can be powered
by P.O.E. or plus.
And again, if you use plus, you can get one port out with P.O.E.
Can be convenient depending on what you're doing.
Five gigahertz is two by two.
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And then the five gigahertz gives you eight hundred and sixty six megabits.
And then you get into the larger guys, which.
And these come in a these these next to come in a set.
The others, I believe, are sold individually.
So you move to the building bridge.
It's four hundred and ninety nine dollars for the set powered by P.O.E. five gigahertz
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is two by two, sixty gigahertz.
Serious bandwidth there.
Then your five gigahertz gives you eight hundred and sixty six megabits.
And now they're going to make me sound like I'm a liar by saying what's a bandwidth in
sixty gigahertz.
But they give you one point seven gigabits.
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You can get a whole lot more out of 60.
I promise you, folks, I promise you.
OK.
But what's nice is it will prefer that 60 gigahertz.
And then if you had this is this is going to be the catch as you go up in that frequency,
you're going to run into tighter tolerances.
So the wind blows in a certain way.
(44:40):
And you're like, what happened?
Yeah.
Rain is certainly going to have some impact, especially having rain.
So, you know, it'll drop from the 60 and fall back to the five gigahertz, which has a
lot more ability to get around some of the potential environmental issues.
So all you people that have zero weather and no trees.
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60 gigahertz is your friend.
If you are in Washington state.
You might want to get used to some of the five gigahertz.
I don't know of any state that's not going to have a problem here because.
Well, I mean, I guess the wind's not going to actually be an issue if there's nothing
that it's pushing.
Sure.
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Well, Arizona is going to do great.
They don't get it to rain.
Arizona is probably fine.
West Texas, New Mexico.
Yeah.
That that occasional tumbleweed is going to ruin everything though.
The Sahara desert.
All right.
Oh, did your Apple device decide to work?
Hello.
Hello, Apple.
Glad you could join the show.
Oh my gosh.
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That took forever.
Okay.
And then so the last one on the list, folks, is the building bridge XG.
You're just making that up.
Oh, that's what it is.
It's the XG.
It is a thousand bucks for the set powered by POE plus plus.
You've got to have a solid switch.
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Five gigahertz is two by two.
It has 60 gigahertz as well.
Five gigahertz will give you 866 megabits.
And then this is giving a little more understanding of what you could get out of the 60 gigahertz.
What it's capable of so much more is you can do six gigabits out of that.
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60 gigahertz gives you six gigabits.
Okay.
Did I lose you?
No, I got this.
I just I need a second.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah, no, that makes sense.
Okay.
Okay.
Because I'm trying to hold some of this information in my head.
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It's not going well for ADD brain over here.
So I would assume based off of what we've seen, eventually there is going to be a well,
I don't know what they'll call it, but there will be an E7 in this and we'll see what name
they come up with.
Yeah.
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So honorable mention is the Wi Fi base station XG, which is the precursor for the new E7
audience and $1500.
It's Wi Fi five.
So it's been needing to have a replacement for a while.
(47:30):
Five gigahertz only.
Let's see those last specs POE plus plus and do they give throughput?
Yes.
It's four by four multi-user MIMO for 1.7 gigabits.
Jigs.
Yes.
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Call out to Jigs.
Hey Jigs.
Didn't see that one coming.
Yeah.
You're probably not listening, but yeah, no.
Maybe just in case.
It's important.
Oh boy.
Oh Jigs.
Been around Pineco forever.
Forever.
So that kind of wraps up the APs.
(48:18):
Was there any one of those in particular that you felt we should dig in a little bit more?
No, I think it's a great idea to remember how versatile the AP game is now.
You can look at all these and think like why in the world would you have that many options?
(48:39):
Correct.
But when you think about setting up a space, not just for a certain, not every AP has to
be hanging from your ceiling.
Not every AP needs to be constructed in the same way.
Not every space is made the same way.
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There's going to be elements that you're dealing with architecturally.
There's going to be first floor, second floor issues.
There's going to be, well I guess that is an architectural thing anyway.
There's going to be the difference between indoor and outdoor and there's going to be
the difference between how many devices and users that you are trying to support.
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And so all of those different things mean the wide range, not just of price, which I
do think is part of what drives this particular thing because there are some of these that
you want to be like, you don't need to make that one because you already have this one.
Oh, that one's more expensive.
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So there's some like you need a lower price that has that single feature.
I get that.
That happens sometimes.
But the huge majority of these are separated out because of the actual need for different
types of APs now to solve different problems.
So different levels of density require different APs.
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Just to give an example of the in-wall, you'll see those a lot, think hotel.
You can have this in your room and because they also have copper ports that come out,
that could go right into the TV in the room.
That could run over to a potential telephone in the room.
(50:28):
Lots of potential versatility there.
Here at the church, we use those for access points and also to connect in Apple TV.
We have a bunch of rooms that are classrooms and I would say that flexibility of having
if you can swing it, it is a lot of like you're investing money for sure, but then also just
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the number of devices that you have on your network.
So you're investing in switch ports and all kinds of things when it comes to that.
But if you can swing it, having one AP slash little switch per room means that there's
a lot of flexibility and there's a lot of modularity that I think it's been really handy
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for us.
And I don't think we will build another building at the church that has classrooms that doesn't
have this type of thought process in it.
I would agree.
So I guess the one thing to keep in mind for those with the wall mount is they're not going
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to cover a ton of area, not like the traditional AP.
And so they really are about that room, whether it's the classroom, if it's in a hotel room,
whatever it is, you're getting a little bit of bleed over to the next room over, but they're
really intended around smaller spaces.
(52:01):
We can cover the same area with one AP as four of these wall mounts.
And sorry, normal AP, not the long range, not anything like that, but just the E7 or
something like that, which I don't know.
Did we talk much about range improvements in six or seven?
(52:23):
No, we were just hitting on the specs there.
It's fine.
I think the biggest thing in Wi-Fi was that six had a lot of potential, didn't quite deliver.
Six E fixed it and made it feel right.
And then seven is just, again, just kind of continuing.
(52:44):
So I do believe they've got to get away from 2.4 gigahertz.
So I'm glad that they introduced six, because you're going to get a ton more bandwidth out
of five and six.
Again, that's the beauty of it.
As the frequency goes up, more bandwidth.
2.4 just gets obliterated by microwaves, home automation.
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There's a lot of home automation in that frequency.
I mean, it's so big now.
Everything's got to be automated.
Can't just walk into your house, turn on a light.
Nope.
Oh, I sprained my finger.
We are so weak.
I borrowed that from a commercial, I have to admit.
It's pretty funny.
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I think it's progressive.
Always.
Just showing off.
It's my fault.
I shouldn't have done that.
Anyway, that's a lot, bro.
It is.
It is.
Another fire hose situation.
Lots of gigahertz and gigabits.
(53:53):
I'm just telling you, it's still funny.
You can disagree.
That's fine.
You're wrong.
That's okay.
That's okay.
So I don't have my own Wi-Fi 7 at home yet, but I'd like to get there.
One of these days, it's going to happen.
I feel strongly about it.
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I don't even think I have six, to be honest.
I don't think I do.
No, all of mine is five, for sure.
What is it I've got?
That's bad.
I should know my own access points.
Can you think about everything else that you're holding in your brain right now?
(54:38):
The place that you are at probably less than everywhere else?
Yeah.
Sure, it's home, but I don't know that the serial numbers are imprinted on the back of
your...
Oh, that's it.
The Nano HD.
Oh, yeah.
Those are going to be Wi-Fi 5, that's AC, but they are wave 2, which just means essentially
(55:04):
more bandwidth, more throughput.
But I do have cool names.
I remember them.
What did you name your stuff after?
It's all Star Wars.
Of course it is.
And it's the good Star Wars.
Yeah, no.
So my first one that I put in was in my kitchen, and that is the Citadel dish.
(55:24):
That is from Rogue One.
Still good Star Wars.
The other one that's on the other side of the house is the Falcon dish from the Millennium
Falcon.
Really?
Is that what that...
I'm sorry.
I see what you did there.
Then my...
You mean the Falcon.
The Falcon, yes.
And then my Udium SQ.
(55:45):
I really did have the longest time just because of how different...
Whatever.
I was like, is it an A or a U?
I was a kid.
I was a kid.
Which is it?
It just didn't make any sense to me.
I'm like, they're making stuff up anyway.
There could be something called a Falcon.
Yep.
Fulcrum?
Fulcrum.
Anyway.
Yeah.
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So my Udium SE is the Scarif Volt.
Again, Rogue One.
My little 8 port switch.
And I'm very proud of this name.
IG-88.
Very proud of that.
But you knew IG-88 before everybody else did.
Well, I mean, I love my Star Wars.
(56:27):
George Lucas.
I'm just saying.
Lucas for the win.
IG-88 was a thing.
He was a bounty hunter.
He was a bounty hunter.
And it wasn't like...
Anyway.
Just saying.
And no disintegrations.
No disintegrations.
And then my 24 port switch, which was overkill, technically don't need it.
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K2SO.
Rogue One.
Oh no.
You don't remember K2SO with all of these?
Sorry.
Satire?
I was trying to think.
Do you know who did that voice?
Yes.
Alan Tudyk.
Yeah.
Who does like all of the craziest voices.
I'm proud of me for remembering that name that quick.
Yeah.
(57:09):
Like that dude, like he's...
So he's...
Say it one more time.
Alan Tudyk.
No.
K2SO?
K2SO.
He's K2SO.
He's also the rooster in Moana.
Oh.
So I'm just saying like the just like, what the heck?
(57:32):
I loved him in Firefly.
Yeah.
You ever seen that?
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
I'm just saying there's some range there.
Just a little bit.
A little bit.
And then I have two more just while we're sharing device names.
I have their PDU Pro.
(57:53):
Absolutely love it.
It's a little expensive considering you can buy something fairly cheap on Amazon and achieve
most of the same things.
But I named that one the indoor shield generator.
Is that because it was expensive or because it crashed?
No, because it's power.
Power.
The shield generator.
And then the last one, this is my only camera that I have.
(58:17):
It's out on the front porch.
It basically...
Don't tell everybody that.
He's got one on the back porch and inside of the...
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Not indoor.
Oh, no.
This is out on the front porch.
It watches for packages.
And it used to watch for your children.
It used to watch for children.
That's true.
I named that one, and I'm also proud of this one, Imperial Prodroid.
(58:41):
Yes.
So, that's the names that I came up with.
I like it.
Yeah.
I'm going to start naming my devices after beers.
Oh, that could be fun too.
Treme is going to be first.
I'm just saying.
Okay.
Okay.
Fair enough.
Well, that's right.
I named some of my devices as well.
(59:04):
My thermostat is Hoth.
Do you like it cold in your house, Chicago?
I do, but my wife does not.
I'm not going to say that one out loud.
Really?
I'll get in trouble.
It's when I named my son's computer.
I'm just not going to do it.
I'm not going to get in trouble.
(59:26):
This is a family show.
It is a family show.
Family show.
You better not.
That's what I would name my son's computer.
Don't even think about it.
And my sprinkler controller, Camino.
Camino.
There you go.
Well, there you go.
All right.
Hey.
There's a little side quest.
Are you going to read the boost?
(59:46):
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
So, we do have a boost.
Magical experience together.
All right.
So, where's the amount?
Oh, it's not showing the amount pre-bo.
(01:00:15):
Usually it shows you the amount before they take anything out.
All right.
So, we have 731 Sats from the sole provider of the show, Jason Cort.
And this is actually directed to you, John.
Oh, hey.
In reference to the previous show.
Okay.
Did I say something that I shouldn't have said?
I don't think so.
(01:00:35):
Okay.
Just making sure.
I don't think so.
Oh, so it looks like it was originally 777.
Oh, okay.
Because of the way things get split and handed off.
731.
Okay.
Thought experiment.
Find a use case for two Spectra bases to be a 32 by 32 wireless snake you know if you
(01:01:00):
have 30,000 laying around.
So, literally using two of them connected together to form a wireless snake.
I'm not sure if they support that, but it's an intriguing idea.
(01:01:27):
I don't know why you couldn't, but I also don't know why you would.
Does that make sense?
So Jason, I think that because it's got you know 32 in and 32 out, that you could put
one of these on your you know.
(01:01:49):
You know the thing.
Well you could.
This does like it would break down either way.
So even even if you only.
Okay.
Here's what I'm trying to say.
What I'm trying to say, Jason, is that if if you like you you are going to need to plug
it in board side.
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Right.
And you need the wireless to be able to reach the transmitters and receivers that are actually
on the unwired end.
You're going to need those to be able to hit it or to be able to reach it from the distance
that they're at.
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I don't think that you would get increased range by having another one on the other end,
but maybe you would.
But the the idea is that with 32 in and 32 out like I mean it would be kind of funny,
but you would just get one of the receivers or the body packs.
(01:02:55):
That's the.
Instead of using one of those.
On a person they would they would be able to.
I mean adapter sure and that adapter would look ugly as sin, but you would go stereo
out of that into your speakers.
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And then do this the input to it would have to be.
You know something that could be wired in.
Probably your bass player because he's not doing much.
I'm kidding.
I mean, you know what I mean though like the body packs would then serve as.
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And you'd have to figure out the wireless.
He's probably thinking about this better than I am.
Well I'm still trying to understand what he's ultimately trying to achieve.
I mean a wireless snake.
Yeah but that's the ultimate achievement.
I'm just saying when we went from having to coil that sucker on the ground because it's
(01:04:09):
so much copper that you just kind of want to die.
And then you're like oh let me just run this underneath these chairs like are you kidding?
It was horrible to hey I got this cat 5e and I'm just going to like slide it to in fact
I could throw this thing to you.
(01:04:30):
Did you just catch it and then plug it into that box that's behind you?
That was I mean insane.
I remember that thought of like no no no this can't be possible.
Like I'm all for things being better but this feels like some sort of injustice that I have
(01:04:53):
been carrying these massive snakes around dreaming about the day that I could have a
split snake even you know.
Just so I don't have to have those huge boxes on the end of my snake or the fan that's like
blah blah blah.
Here's all your inputs.
(01:05:14):
I'm just saying like the day that it was like no no no this is possible and let me tell
you what it's also affordable if you buy it from this company.
I was like I don't care what their name is I'm buying that and we sure did.
Anyway.
Ah that's good.
So I guess where I Jason I would love to talk about this with you and maybe it would be
(01:05:36):
over a beer.
Oh I think you do that.
I'm just saying we need to figure that out.
Call.
Yes.
So that is our boost for the show.
Thank you Jason as always.
Love you brother.
So I have one other thing to talk about.
(01:05:58):
You know I had the theory on why some of the more recent shows seem to kick up higher than
others and my theory was that out of the last five the two that had bitter in the name saw
a significant increase.
Yes okay yeah I remember this theory.
Yes well I'm sad to say the theory has been destroyed.
(01:06:19):
Because we had a bad show last week.
I wouldn't call it bad but I snuck in bitter so it's Sennheiser spectra not so bitter and
it kind of fell in line with a typical show.
Whereas sweet gateways even more bitter and oh the bitter really outpaced the other shows.
(01:06:42):
Well guys we thought we had figured out your.
I go back to the drawing board and I have no idea why a random show just skyrockets
in terms of our terms of skyrocketing not Joe Rogan level.
Listen that's just we don't need to be compared to.
I'm assuming that every now and then we hit the front page of somebody going into their
(01:07:07):
app and they're like oh what's that show.
I'll watch that.
That's my best guess.
No idea.
So I will keep trying to figure out the reason for the random spikes.
Because we're that kind of persistent.
Yes.
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Yes yes.
So but we are we're continuing to stay worldwide.
Can't complain.
Nailed it.
Yes.
Thank you New Zealand.
Yes thank you for completing the set.
It was really important to us.
I'm just saying.
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Still no Aussies.
Come on man.
So I think that's all I've got.
Appreciate you brother.
Enjoyed it man as always.
All right we'll talk to you later.
Sounds good.
See you everybody.
Fabulous podcast.
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Thanks boys.
DAY 1
(00:30):
Hey Chris, how we doing?
Hey everybody, how you doing?
John, how you doing?
I'm doing great.
Yeah, it's one of those late night recording sessions, feeling good about that.
Has that just been sitting on that table?
Apparently it has.
I love it.
Wow.
All right.
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Okay, no big deal.
Yeah.
We have a memory from a-
Bastrip.
Bastrip.
From a podcast gone by sitting on our table.
I took a page out of Jason Court's-
Yes you did.
Playbook and I don't know that it's worked out quite as well.
Well, you tried.
(01:11):
I tried.
I appreciate it.
Jason, props to you.
But we got us a Christmas present, put it that way.
So today we will be drinking the-
Look at that.
Sink Scents.
It's the white label Chimay.
(01:32):
I have not tried that one yet.
Okay.
Well, we're going to try it.
I have a small bottle of it at the house, which is why it came with the goblet.
Oh yeah.
Did you happen to see that when you were there?
The goblet?
Yeah, the whole set.
No, the whole set wasn't there whenever I-
Oh, bummer.
Well, it wasn't where I was looking.
I could put it that way.
I know where you were at so that the one directly behind you, you have to go around on the back
(01:57):
end cap, down on the very bottom shelf.
It probably was there.
But you get four different ones.
Four different ones.
Plus a goblet.
Plus a goblet.
Because it's green, red, blue.
White and gold.
Oh, white and gold.
This is, okay.
Yes.
White and gold, green and, or not green, blue and red.
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Or maybe I'm getting it wrong.
Yeah, red, blue, green and I guess the gold.
Okay.
I don't know if these are different.
There's four.
There's four of them and they've got this cool twist top.
Yeah.
By twist top, I mean-
It's like opening up a bottle of fancy wine or champagne.
(02:39):
There's a bottle of champagne, which I will tell you, we almost didn't get to enjoy this
because my son comes running around the corner at our house and goes, dad, there's champagne
in the refrigerator, which usually means that he's about to try to go outside and open it
with a knife.
Uh-oh.
Like do that whole like thing.
(03:01):
Yeah.
And I was like, no.
No it's not.
Please don't.
Don't do that.
Please.
So we're going to try this.
All right.
But I also, this is the other part of the-
Oh.
Hold on.
Okay.
I got us-
Oh, look at that.
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Mugs.
That's a mug.
And they are actual mugs.
That's impressive.
So-
We got to turn that into merch.
Well, see, so what I was thinking and I've gotten the instructions from a friend of mine
on how to etch these things, but I haven't worked up the bravery to actually do it.
We actually, I think we've got a contact on that.
(03:44):
Do we?
We do.
I need to make sure his wife still does it, but Jason's wife, from my understanding-
Has done etching before?
It does it.
Okay.
So-
Yeah.
I got taught how to do it and by taught, I mean emailed how to do it.
But let me just tell you, it's pretty terrifying.
Pop the top, man.
You may have to talk for a second so I can concentrate.
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No problem.
I will see Mr. Jason tomorrow and I will find out if his wife still does that.
Okay.
And if so, we've got something to work up.
All right, here it goes.
Boom.
I told Kate it wasn't going to do that just to get him not to touch it, but it totally
did.
He got some air, folks.
I mean, it definitely hit the ceiling.
(04:27):
Yeah, you hit the-
I don't think we have a divot, but-
No, you hit the ceiling.
It came off the table.
Feeling good.
Nice.
Glug, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug.
That's got a nice head on it.
That's all head.
Okay.
Wow.
Maybe I can do better with the second one.
(04:48):
That's looking good.
That's looking good.
Oh.
Oh yeah.
Oh boy.
I don't know if that's even at all, but-
I don't know.
It'll be fine.
I actually hadn't seen that particular one in the- is that the 750?
(05:13):
I think that's the 750.
It said 750.
I hadn't seen the white.
He-
Oh, pardon me folks while I grab this mug.
Yeah, this is when I wish we had cameras going because- Chris, I don't know if I can drink
that.
(05:33):
To your point, we actually haven't done a good job.
So I'm going to take a picture.
We're going to do social media right now?
Are you about to be on social media?
No, you're social media.
I'm going to put it in the show notes.
Oh, show notes.
Okay.
Well, let me just-
You are the director of social media.
(05:53):
Yeah, don't put that on me.
I mean, oh.
Hold on.
Got it.
Now we've got a picture.
Okay.
Okay.
Not to rub salt in the wound, but my wife had mentioned the other day and said you were
(06:14):
doing the social media and she's like, yeah, you haven't posted a whole lot.
No, he doesn't do that.
Just trying to, you know, yeah, we're bad at this.
Just remember that social media is the gateway to getting them to send us stuff to-
Yeah, I hear you.
(06:35):
I really do.
Is that- okay, hold on.
I'm not going to ask you questions.
You go ahead and talk.
I'm just going to-
Do you want to pass the bottle my way?
Do something for a little bit.
Oh, you want to do a reading of the-
Yeah.
Let's see what we got.
There's always got to be something here.
So yes, the Chamei Sincense brewed in Belgium.
(07:01):
God, I love it.
Oh, thank you, Trappists.
We really appreciate you.
You're doing great work.
Okay.
So here we go.
The registered trademark Trappist certifies that this L was brewed within the walls of
(07:22):
an existing Trappist monastery under the control of the Trappist community.
A major part of the sales revenue is used by the monks to support charitable works.
That's what I'm talking about.
You give them the money, you get amazing beer, they get to do God's work.
I love it.
It's a win-win.
(07:43):
The exceptional yeast isolated by Father Theodore combined with the purity of the highly protected
water of the Abbey's wells gives Chamei, I need to find out if I've ever been saying
that right.
Yeah, right.
It's unique richness.
Since 1862, Chamei's secondary fermented Ls have neither been pasteurized nor filtered
(08:08):
and only natural ingredients are used to fully appreciate the agreeable combination of fresh
hops and yeast of the Chamei Sink Scents serve chilled, which we are.
We are.
It is definitely chilled.
It is.
And a wide mouth glass, you check the box there as well.
(08:31):
Nailed it.
Contains barley and wheat.
This is some of the thickest glass I've seen in a while, just for the record.
Absolutely.
Did you find this at the same store?
Yeah.
Nice.
And they were the last two.
They have wine glasses, they have like little, you know, women liquor glasses.
They have all kinds of things.
(08:52):
There are very, there are not as many pints as I would have expected.
But there were like zero mugs.
And then I looked behind these Hello Kitty things that were sitting in the wrong place
and I was like, nobody's trying to hide those mugs and I'm going to take them.
Yes, it does sound that way.
(09:13):
And on the back, it does give you the caution, contents under pressure.
Use extreme caution and point bottle away from yourself and others when opening.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Don't, don't get hit in the face because that would have hurt.
And if you live in a handful of states, you can turn the bottle in and get some money
back.
We're not doing that.
And it does have a government warning.
(09:35):
Nice.
The typical, if you are a woman and you are pregnant, you should not drink alcohol.
I agree.
Absolutely.
More for us.
Let your husband drink the alcohol.
I mean, sure.
Yeah.
Why not?
Take one for the team.
I'm drinking this for you, dear.
I love you.
(09:58):
All right.
Oh yeah.
Consumption of alcohol impairs your ability to drive a car or operate machinery.
It may cause health problems.
True statement.
Okay.
I am, I am posting on social media right now.
(10:19):
So it is happening.
It's happening.
If my wife is by her phone, which I suspect she is, I would think that, did you put it
on Facebook?
I guess before I go down this road?
Cause I know you didn't put it on Instagram.
No, we don't have an Instagram.
Cause they're being jerks.
Yeah.
It's on, it's on Facebook.
Okay.
(10:40):
And she should get a notification here in a second.
I would like to think.
Publish now.
She'll get to see.
We actually posted.
Nice.
Nice, nice.
Yeah.
I guess cheers.
Cheers, man.
Clink.
I mean like clunk maybe.
(11:01):
Okay.
This is, this is, I'm going to get some.
You're going to need some paper towel.
God bless the monks.
That's good stuff.
I'm in favor.
I'm in favor of monks.
I will admit when I first saw the color, I was a little nervous.
(11:25):
Yeah.
Made me think hazy IPA, but that is amazing.
I think, I mean, you know, like you can say hazy.
It definitely has that we're not looking through the beer.
We're looking into the beer.
Exactly.
Situation going on, but I'm just going to call that just good old fashioned.
(11:46):
We made this from home.
Yes.
Well, I mean, they were very clear in the blurb that it is not filtered.
Not filtered.
Awesome.
But it tastes way better than an IPA.
Oh my gosh.
It's so good.
If you haven't had a Trappist beer, may we recommend?
(12:06):
Oh yeah.
Chamay.
Absolutely.
I don't think we've had a bad one yet.
Nope.
We weren't as big a fans of blue.
Yeah.
That was a little more fruity, but still good.
Yeah.
I think the red was the red was more.
I think the red is still my favorite.
I think you would like the Dore, the spice that I had.
(12:27):
Okay.
That was good.
Okay.
This is good too.
Yeah.
I like it.
Hmm.
Still drinking.
That's, that's what it's here for.
My only thought now is we should have had two bottles.
Next time.
Next time.
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Absolutely.
All right.
Yeah.
So what are we going to talk about?
We are back on the unified train today.
Choo choo.
Yeah.
I hope y'all enjoyed the last one.
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Toot.
I'm still trying to comprehend some of what they're doing on the wireless side, but yeah.
I mean, that's still, that's still going to, that's still going to be hitting me for a
little bit.
Yeah.
But I think the boost again, I don't really understand the way that they're doing the
(13:31):
wider channels, giving more options.
I have to be reading that wrong.
Yep.
But anyway.
We'll see.
So I can give a slight tease.
The boost has to do with last episode.
Uh oh.
So we'll get there.
If we do more audio stuff, I think he'll boost more.
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Potentially.
Just saying.
Potentially.
So we'll work close to wrapping up unify, uh, as a series, I would say we've probably
got maybe one more and that'll be just kind of some of the hodgepodge accessory random
stuff that they, that they have some of, some of it makes sense.
(14:12):
And some of it still leaves me scratching my head.
Like what just happened?
So it feels in some ways that they're pulling a Google and then just kind of throwing it
all out and seeing what sticks.
I don't like that.
No, I don't have to though.
True.
Take that.
All right.
So let's hit the access points.
(14:34):
So we'll kick off with what they call their flagship.
Um, and for those listening, they did it to us again.
They've released another new one since the show notes were put together.
We just, we just had to get some other stuff out of the way and you know, he can't be.
(14:54):
Yeah.
Oh, actually it looks like there is, Ooh, I didn't see those.
There are a couple of extra.
Oh, hey, unifying bonus equipment.
Hey, yes.
So we will start kind of where we where we've got it, update the notes.
It's gonna be great.
And here we go folks.
(15:15):
Hold on.
So starting in their flagship, they begin with the U six plus.
That is the standard frisbee looking dish that they are very well known for.
Comes in at $129.
So what did you call it?
The frisbee dish.
That's, that's what it looks like.
(15:35):
It does look like it looks like a frisbee runs on standard POE.
You get 2.4 gigahertz and five gigahertz.
Both is two by two multi-user MIMO on the 2.4 gigahertz.
You can get a maximum of 573 megabits.
Good luck trying.
You're not going to get it, but that is the theoretical maximum.
(15:59):
And then on the five gigahertz, they're saying 2.4 gigabits per second.
So 21, was it like 21.1 gigawatts or something like that?
All right.
One point 21, one point 21.
There you go.
One point 21 gigawatts.
I mean, you remember when that was like unheard of?
(16:20):
Yes.
Yes.
But even then there were still Iranian terrorists causing trouble.
Why not?
Here we are.
It still happens.
All right.
So that is a, I guess I should have said that is Wi-Fi 6.
They call it 6 plus, but it's Wi-Fi 6.
(16:41):
Not a bad radio to start out with if you're getting into this in your being cost conscience.
From there, we jump up to the U6 long range, $179, runs on POE plus.
POE plus?
Yes.
POE is your friend.
POE.
2.4 gigahertz and 5 gigahertz are both 4 by 4 multi-user MIMO.
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2.4 gigahertz has a maximum of 600 megabits per second.
And the 5 gigahertz has the maximum 2.4 gigabits.
They call it long range for a reason.
It pops out a little more power so you can get a little more reach and punch out of this
versus the standard access point.
(17:27):
Try to remember if you were there with us, John, this reminds me way, way back when we
were first evaluating ubiquity radios for Pine Cove.
We were on a trip to central Texas and we were at Crier Creek.
(17:48):
We set up the long range access point in the old hitching post.
No, I'm sorry, not in the hitching post.
It was in the Big Horn.
And I was able to walk all the way over to the front porch of the hitching post and stayed
connected to that access point.
No, I remember this.
Yeah.
It was at a staff retreat.
(18:10):
Okay.
I just remember just being blown away.
Like what is that?
Because I mean, that's insane because the radio was indoors and I was at least 200 to
300 feet away.
And I could actually pass traffic.
So when they say long range, they do mean long range.
(18:34):
But disclosure, your experience may vary.
Don't hold me to it.
Always.
Yes.
So from there, they go to the U6 Pro, $159 runs on POE plus.
Again, 2.4 and 5 gigahertz are four by four multi-user MIMO.
2.4 gigahertz will get you 573 megabits.
(18:58):
Five gigahertz will jump up to 4.8 gigabits.
So not bad.
And then from there, they jump to the U6 Enterprise.
Again, all of these are still within the Wi-Fi 6.
So this one is $279.
(19:20):
Actually this moves into 6E.
So this is again powered by POE plus.
2.4 gigahertz is two by two MIMO, multi-user MIMO.
Five gigahertz is four by four multi-user MIMO and six gigahertz.
That is introduced with 6E.
That is also four by four multi-user MIMO.
(19:42):
Yes.
2.4 gigahertz will get you 573 megabits.
Five gigahertz will get you the 4.8 gigabits.
And you also get 4.8 gigabits on the 6 gigahertz as well.
It's funny every time.
You'll get tired of it eventually.
I mean, I'm not going to.
(20:02):
Maybe the listeners are.
So from here, now we jump into their Wi-Fi 7 range.
OK, Wi-Fi 7.
I'm feeling pretty hot to try it right now.
Wi-Fi 7 fixed.
Well, how do I want to say that?
6E technically fixed Wi-Fi 6.
(20:23):
So I don't think I would say that 7 fixed Wi-Fi 6E.
So I would say that it really is a true step up.
All right, so U7 Pro, $189, powered by PoE+.
2.4, 5 gigahertz, and 6 gigahertz are all two by two multi-user MIMO.
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2.4 gigahertz is 688 megabits.
5 gigahertz is 4.3 gigabits.
And 6 gigahertz is 5.7 gigabits.
Eventually you're going to get tired of it.
I mean, you keep saying it.
It's just not happening yet.
We'll see.
We'll see.
And then from there, you jump up to the U7 Pro Max at $279.
(21:08):
Again, powered by PoE+, 2.4 gigahertz is two by two multi-user MIMO.
5 gigahertz, this is kind of interesting.
5 gigahertz gives you 4 by 4 multi-user MIMO, but 6 gigahertz goes back to two by two multi-user
MIMO.
So not sure why they chose that into the design.
(21:30):
Because sometimes they like to give you PoE and sometimes they don't.
I guess.
I guess.
They haven't asked us these questions.
No, they haven't.
Hopefully they will.
We're waiting for the phone call.
2.4 gigahertz will get you 688 megabits.
5 gigahertz will get you the 8.6 gigabits.
And 6 gigahertz gets you 5.7 gigabits.
(21:53):
Okay, so now this is where we get into new.
I'm not going to worry about the order.
I'm just going to go with what I got.
I got this one at least on the show notes.
So new for them is their E7, and that's all it's called is E7, which means enterprise.
So it is $499.
(22:14):
That's some cheddar, but way cheaper than what you would pay Cisco or anybody else for
this type of equipment.
And you don't have to pay for them.
You don't have to pay the extra licensing.
That's true.
Now this one is a little power hungry because it does require PoE++.
Yes.
So, but then you've got 2.4 gigahertz.
(22:37):
Can you remind me what the breakdown is?
Plus is over 15.
So PoE is 15.4.
PoE plus is, I'm sorry, 15.4 watts.
PoE plus is 30 watts.
PoE++ is 60 watts.
60 watts.
And there is a plus plus plus.
Of course.
That will push you up to, I've seen some people say 90 watts, some say 100 watts.
(23:01):
So a lot, a lot going on there.
So 2.4 gigahertz is two by two MIMO.
Five gigahertz and six gigahertz are four by four multi-user MIMO.
2.4 gigahertz will give you 688 megabits.
The five gigahertz will give you 8.6 gigabits.
And the six gigahertz, this is amazing.
(23:23):
I want to see it.
11.5 gigabits.
That is nuts.
If you could even get remotely close.
I'm trying to wrap my head around the speed that we're talking about here.
I mean, you're talking better than 10 gig.
And then it's flying through the air.
(23:46):
I mean, I just imagine like these little knives just constantly being thrown.
Why is it knives?
It's just the guy in me.
That's just the guy in me.
Just the guy in me.
Going with what makes sense here.
Yes.
Okay.
So then they do have others.
So we actually just talked about that.
That is the E7.
(24:06):
Oh, that one actually has dual Nick.
I did not see that a while ago.
Nice.
Okay.
So getting into the Wi-Fi.
Okay.
The AP has dual Nick.
Yes.
So you are able to split that.
(24:33):
So it just redundancy.
It kind of again, it depends on what they're doing.
So in previous models, like the one that we have up on the ceiling above us, there's a
second Nick in that.
But it was, it serves as a pass through.
So you bring the initial lead in with POE radio comes online.
You could plug something else into the other side.
(24:54):
But it's just a pass through.
So like if you had a camera, that'd be great, but you would have to have something else
to inject POE into it.
Or if you were going to come off of that and then come down to a switch or something that
doesn't require POE or even a computer for that matter, it would be, it could be useful
(25:14):
depending on what you're trying to do.
So do they, so one is primary, the other is high availability.
So I would take that to mean if one was to fail, it can roll over to the other.
So not bad.
Okay.
So where did I see?
(25:36):
Oh, wow.
Okay.
So they have an E7 campus.
So if you remember from the switch show, those were expensive.
Now we broke into campus.
So this is the E7 campus, $799 says it will be available starting in January.
(25:57):
And boy does that thing have a hefty mount.
Wow.
I mean, if you look at the picture, you'll see what I'm talking about.
Because I would say based off of this, they are pretty much intending for you to mount
this outdoors.
Oh yeah.
No.
Because everything they're showing is pole mount.
Oh, I guess this one technically is a ceiling mount, but the vast majority of what they're
(26:18):
showing is outdoor based pole mount.
Wow.
That okay.
I was not prepared for that.
I mean, guys, if you don't know what we're talking about, then it's just a lot funnier.
Okay.
So 2.2, I'm sorry, 2.4.
(26:41):
I'm crossing my numbers is two by two multi-user MIMO five and six gigahertz or four by four
multi-user MIMO 2.4 gigahertz will give you 688 megabits.
Five gigahertz will give you 8.6 gigabits and six gigahertz.
Still laughing folks.
We'll give you 11.5 gigabits.
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It's not the beer I swear.
I would hope not.
Not yet.
So, but again, that is power hungry POE plus plus.
Yeah.
Strain that that's going to put not strain, but like, there's not too many of these that
can fit on the same switch.
No, no, no, no, no, no, not pulling that kind of power.
(27:23):
I am starting to realize exactly what we're dealing with here in terms of usability.
Yeah.
And this specifically says wall pole pole mount for precision.
Man, I can't speak for precise position.
And there is also a 100 by 100 visa mount compatibility.
So there you go.
(27:45):
All right.
And then the last one is really, really expensive.
So they I think I have it on the list later.
There's one that is they call the base station.
And that is really meant for like sporting events, crazy high number of people.
So this is the new one that would replace that in the Wi Fi seven range.
(28:10):
Okay.
Again, it's the E seven audience.
Getting fancy with the names.
That doesn't sound like Apple at all.
No, no, no, no.
This one shows available March of 2025.
Thanks.
And we'll see.
Yeah.
This is a fairly large access point.
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This isn't something that you would just hang on your ceiling.
This is a definitely not a drop ceiling.
No, no, no, no, no.
You're going to need some you are you are talking wood beams to screw this thing into.
So to give some some reference here, it is 18 inches by 10 inches by 1.7 inches.
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So hold your arm up.
Yes, pretty much.
It is big.
And again, this one would also have a beefy mount.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
But again, it has to be.
And this one is also IP 68 for water and dust.
Okay.
So what do we get here?
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Oh, wow.
No 2.4 gigahertz.
It's like why even bother?
That's intriguing because I've been talking to some folks and saying, at what point do
you just let go of 2.4 gigahertz?
Because there's so much going on there.
Just get rid of it.
You know, it would be interesting to see if they do is to make just another division where
it's like 2.4 gigahertz now is used for certain things, but not for, you know, this this type
(29:42):
of data traffic.
Yep.
Well, what we are experimenting with just kind of to your point, too, with something
else with it, 2.4 gigahertz is not broadcasting on the Pine Cove Wi Fi network anymore.
Okay.
It is exclusively five gigahertz.
Okay.
So essentially, we'll get some 6C and introduce six gigahertz to it.
2.4 is being used for guest and for IoT.
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Nice.
Yes.
Because we've had some spots in particular in town to where there are so many people
who don't know how to use proper channels for 2.4 that we just said we're just not going
to do it.
Yeah, no, I mean, that that makes a lot of sense to me.
There's a lot of, you know, you're seeing a lot of gear related stuff adopt five gigahertz
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now because 2.4 is so unusable.
But I feel like it would be more usable if everything else got off of it.
If you know what I mean.
Microwaves.
Just saying.
Yep.
All right.
So no 2.4.
It does have five and six gigahertz.
Both are four by four.
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Multi user MIMO.
Five gigahertz will give you eight point six gigabits and six gigahertz will give you the
eleven point five gigabits.
I want to see it.
I'm just struggling to believe it.
I know that's a theoretical number, so they're not going to say, oh, yeah, sure.
(31:15):
Let me show you.
No.
So, oh, yeah, there you go.
When you scroll down a little bit more, it says supported data rates.
And so you get seven point three megabits to eleven point five gigabits.
That's a big range.
Yeah.
They're going, well, you know, in a perfect scenario, eleven point five.
(31:39):
Double digit megs to this is like, is this optimum math that we just got there?
You're going to get a gig.
By a gig, I mean like two hundred megs reliably.
Yes.
Yes.
Wow.
So, again, not your normal installation here.
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Typically, you're going to see this in big arenas, football.
You could potentially see this in some outdoor campus based, depending on what's going on.
So, I mean, that'd be an interesting thing, like, you know, when you have a large venue
or something like that, you just realize that part of your, like, sunk cost is that you've
(32:28):
got to get one of these massive suckers for.
Yep.
Time to hover many it takes to give you coverage.
And I have to just throw that out there for some.
And if I didn't mention it before, it's two thousand dollars.
So just some small change.
No big deal.
No big deal.
It's all money.
(32:49):
Yeah.
It's just this cloth that we assign value to.
I'm not going to get into that.
That's a soap box I'm not going to touch.
Why not, Chris?
That's a different podcast.
Yeah, it's a different podcast.
You're right.
OK, so we will shift gears and go into their wall mount series.
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Yeah, wall mount.
Yes, we've got a few of those still around doing quite well.
Like those things.
Yes.
So starts with their U6 extender.
Yep.
You've got one of those.
Yep.
And it works awesome.
Yes, it does.
Hundred and forty nine dollars.
Don't try to get a signal off the back of it.
No, no, no, no, no.
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It's super handy.
Yep.
So we're going to bring it into the system via Bluetooth and bring it into the system.
Two point four gigahertz is two by two multi user MIMO, which is not bad for a wall mount.
Five gigahertz will give you four by four multi user MIMO.
Two point four gigahertz will give you the five hundred and seventy three megabits and
five gigahertz will give you four point eight gigabits.
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And this thing literally just plugs into a plug.
Plugs into the wall.
I just could not get over how easy it was for me to set up.
Once again, that single screen.
You plug you plug one of these things into the wall and then it's like, hey, is that
yours?
Yeah.
You're like, yeah, that's mine.
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I'll take care of the rest of it.
What what just happened?
Man, that's good.
Good stuff.
OK, so next up is the U6 in walls, what they call it, one hundred and seventy nine dollars
can run on POE or POE plus.
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The bonus to running POE plus is that you can now pull standard POE out of one of the
copper ports built into this unit.
That's not bad.
It's kind of nice.
So you have two point four gigahertz is two by two multi user MIMO.
Five gigahertz is four by four multi user.
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Two point four gigahertz will give you a maximum of five hundred and seventy three megabits.
Five gigahertz will give you a maximum of four point eight gigabits.
Yes.
See, I was I was really hoping for the gigahertz at some point at some point during that.
But you know, I'll take the gigabits.
It's fine.
OK, still laughing.
(35:15):
All right.
So that's under consideration.
All right.
So then we go to the U6 enterprise in wall.
Two hundred and ninety nine dollars POE plus with one POE port out, which is nice.
Two point four gigahertz.
That's like way is two by two multi user MIMO.
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Five gigahertz.
There you go.
Is the four by four multi user MIMO and the six gigahertz space there.
I missed the space.
You know, love finding the typos as you go through the notes.
Yes.
Four by four multi user MIMO.
Two point four gigahertz will give you five hundred and seventy three megabits.
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Five gigahertz will give you four point eight giga bits.
There you go.
Six gigahertz also gives you the same four point eight giga bits.
I don't think they've done anything new on the wall.
I hope not, because it's probably not going to make the list.
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Doesn't look like it.
Five, four, three, two, one.
Thank you guys.
Appreciate that.
All right.
So we just did.
I shouldn't have looked away.
We just did the U6 enterprise in mall.
OK, perfect.
So there is the U7 pro wall, not in wall, but just wall.
One hundred and ninety nine dollars.
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Why one was two hundred and the other is one ninety nine.
There we go.
So this is PLE plus two point four five gigahertz and six gigahertz are all two by two multi
user MIMO.
That was a little disappointing to me.
But it's all two by two, but beggars can't be choosers.
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Two point four gigahertz gives you a maximum of six hundred and eighty eight megabits.
You know, we get to the end of this.
People are going to think we're just drunk.
I mean, we're not inventing words here.
It's not our words we're inventing.
That's not we're not doing that.
We're twisting words.
Five gigahertz gives you four point eight.
Sorry.
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Four point three giga bits.
Six gigahertz gives you five point seven giga bits.
There you go.
And then we jump to the one that is quite intriguing.
The Swiss Army Knife.
This one, folks, you really should go and take a look at it on their site.
(37:51):
It is an amazing little toy.
Kind of feel good about that.
Yes.
So it runs on P.O.E.
Two point four gigahertz is two by two multi user MIMO.
Five gigahertz is two by two multi user MIMO.
Two point four gigahertz gives you three hundred megabits per second.
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And five gigahertz gives you eight hundred and sixty six megabits, not gigabits, megabits
per second.
This thing is incredibly small.
And you can take it with you and set it up anywhere you want.
Incredibly versatile.
You can wall mount it, ceiling mount it.
(38:32):
There's a desktop mount that it can sit on.
You can pull mount with two external antennas.
This thing is incredibly useful.
So you should go buy one.
I mean, no affiliate links, I'm afraid, though.
Not yet.
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I'll see you on Facebook.
Yes, we'll see someday.
Someday.
OK, from there you go to the U6 mesh.
This is going to be outdoor.
Swiss Army Knife is also technically going to be considered an outdoor device as well.
So the U6 mesh, one hundred seventy nine dollars powered by P.O.E.
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Two point four gigahertz is two by two multi user MIMO.
Five gigahertz is four by four multi user MIMO.
Two point four.
Dormammu.
Dormammu.
Exactly.
Dormammu.
I'm here to bargain.
Two point four gigahertz is a maximum of five hundred seventy three megabits and five gigahertz
will give you four point eight gigabits.
(39:37):
I got to stay away from the movie references because I can get too deep into it.
I mean, it could go for a while.
That rug tied the room together, dude.
OK.
Moving on, moving on.
That is not an endorsement of that movie.
No, but this is a fan.
It was funny.
(39:58):
Yes.
All right.
U6 mesh pro hundred nine eight nine dollars powered by P.O.E.
Two point four gigahertz and five gigahertz are two by two multi user MIMO.
Two point four gigahertz gives you five hundred and seventy three megabits.
And the five gigahertz is two point four.
(40:19):
I need to correct myself there.
I said megabits, but that's probably gigabits.
Yeah, definitely.
For it to be two point four, that would be like a huge mistake.
Let's see.
Real time fact check, people.
We have definitely done weirder things, though.
So four point three gigabits.
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So I just completely miss that.
Thanks, that little typo.
OK.
And then last is the U7 outdoor hundred ninety nine dollars.
So P.O.E. plus to power it.
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Two point four and five gigahertz or gigahertz is two by two multi user MIMO.
Two point four gigahertz is six hundred and eighty eight megabits and five gigahertz is
four point three gigahertz.
Nailed it.
I'm totally going to go home and keep talking like this and my wife is going to think there's
something wrong.
What is I mean, did you join a cult?
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What did you drink tonight?
Turpentine.
Turpentine.
That was weird.
Tonight I drink with the monks.
And they were delicious.
Yes.
Not the monks, but the beer.
OK.
OK, moving on.
Now we get to bridging.
They have some pretty good options here.
(41:48):
There is the.
Man, I just totally.
Blew it on these notes.
I mean, it's not the worst thing in the world.
I've seen way worse.
Well.
Oh, no, actually, I did not.
Look at that.
I got it right.
(42:09):
I got it right.
OK, so device bridge.
Ninety nine dollars passive P.O.E.
That's a bit of a bummer because that will only run on a unify switch because that's
twenty four volt.
Not forty eight like standard P.O.E.
OK, so that's a bit of a bummer.
(42:30):
I was like, what are you talking?
Oh, gosh.
But if you're using unify, you really technically don't care.
But for those of you who like unify access points, but may have other switches, you would
have to use a injector to get that passive P.O.E. as they call it.
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Five gigahertz is two by two.
And it gives you.
Man, I just am having a bad night with.
Man.
It's not it's not as bad as you think.
So you're drinking this Trappist beer.
Yeah.
And then the five gigahertz gives you eight hundred and sixty six megabits per second.
(43:13):
There we go.
All right.
Then you jump up to the device bridge pro hundred ninety nine dollars can be powered
by P.O.E. or plus.
And again, if you use plus, you can get one port out with P.O.E.
Can be convenient depending on what you're doing.
Five gigahertz is two by two.
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And then the five gigahertz gives you eight hundred and sixty six megabits.
And then you get into the larger guys, which.
And these come in a these these next to come in a set.
The others, I believe, are sold individually.
So you move to the building bridge.
It's four hundred and ninety nine dollars for the set powered by P.O.E. five gigahertz
(43:57):
is two by two, sixty gigahertz.
Serious bandwidth there.
Then your five gigahertz gives you eight hundred and sixty six megabits.
And now they're going to make me sound like I'm a liar by saying what's a bandwidth in
sixty gigahertz.
But they give you one point seven gigabits.
(44:17):
You can get a whole lot more out of 60.
I promise you, folks, I promise you.
OK.
But what's nice is it will prefer that 60 gigahertz.
And then if you had this is this is going to be the catch as you go up in that frequency,
you're going to run into tighter tolerances.
So the wind blows in a certain way.
(44:40):
And you're like, what happened?
Yeah.
Rain is certainly going to have some impact, especially having rain.
So, you know, it'll drop from the 60 and fall back to the five gigahertz, which has a
lot more ability to get around some of the potential environmental issues.
So all you people that have zero weather and no trees.
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60 gigahertz is your friend.
If you are in Washington state.
You might want to get used to some of the five gigahertz.
I don't know of any state that's not going to have a problem here because.
Well, I mean, I guess the wind's not going to actually be an issue if there's nothing
that it's pushing.
Sure.
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Well, Arizona is going to do great.
They don't get it to rain.
Arizona is probably fine.
West Texas, New Mexico.
Yeah.
That that occasional tumbleweed is going to ruin everything though.
The Sahara desert.
All right.
Oh, did your Apple device decide to work?
Hello.
Hello, Apple.
Glad you could join the show.
Oh my gosh.
(45:44):
That took forever.
Okay.
And then so the last one on the list, folks, is the building bridge XG.
You're just making that up.
Oh, that's what it is.
It's the XG.
It is a thousand bucks for the set powered by POE plus plus.
You've got to have a solid switch.
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Five gigahertz is two by two.
It has 60 gigahertz as well.
Five gigahertz will give you 866 megabits.
And then this is giving a little more understanding of what you could get out of the 60 gigahertz.
What it's capable of so much more is you can do six gigabits out of that.
(46:28):
60 gigahertz gives you six gigabits.
Okay.
Did I lose you?
No, I got this.
I just I need a second.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah, no, that makes sense.
Okay.
Okay.
Because I'm trying to hold some of this information in my head.
(46:49):
It's not going well for ADD brain over here.
So I would assume based off of what we've seen, eventually there is going to be a well,
I don't know what they'll call it, but there will be an E7 in this and we'll see what name
they come up with.
Yeah.
(47:09):
So honorable mention is the Wi Fi base station XG, which is the precursor for the new E7
audience and $1500.
It's Wi Fi five.
So it's been needing to have a replacement for a while.
(47:30):
Five gigahertz only.
Let's see those last specs POE plus plus and do they give throughput?
Yes.
It's four by four multi-user MIMO for 1.7 gigabits.
Jigs.
Yes.
(47:51):
Call out to Jigs.
Hey Jigs.
Didn't see that one coming.
Yeah.
You're probably not listening, but yeah, no.
Maybe just in case.
It's important.
Oh boy.
Oh Jigs.
Been around Pineco forever.
Forever.
So that kind of wraps up the APs.
(48:18):
Was there any one of those in particular that you felt we should dig in a little bit more?
No, I think it's a great idea to remember how versatile the AP game is now.
You can look at all these and think like why in the world would you have that many options?
(48:39):
Correct.
But when you think about setting up a space, not just for a certain, not every AP has to
be hanging from your ceiling.
Not every AP needs to be constructed in the same way.
Not every space is made the same way.
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There's going to be elements that you're dealing with architecturally.
There's going to be first floor, second floor issues.
There's going to be, well I guess that is an architectural thing anyway.
There's going to be the difference between indoor and outdoor and there's going to be
the difference between how many devices and users that you are trying to support.
(49:22):
And so all of those different things mean the wide range, not just of price, which I
do think is part of what drives this particular thing because there are some of these that
you want to be like, you don't need to make that one because you already have this one.
Oh, that one's more expensive.
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So there's some like you need a lower price that has that single feature.
I get that.
That happens sometimes.
But the huge majority of these are separated out because of the actual need for different
types of APs now to solve different problems.
So different levels of density require different APs.
(50:08):
Just to give an example of the in-wall, you'll see those a lot, think hotel.
You can have this in your room and because they also have copper ports that come out,
that could go right into the TV in the room.
That could run over to a potential telephone in the room.
(50:28):
Lots of potential versatility there.
Here at the church, we use those for access points and also to connect in Apple TV.
We have a bunch of rooms that are classrooms and I would say that flexibility of having
if you can swing it, it is a lot of like you're investing money for sure, but then also just
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the number of devices that you have on your network.
So you're investing in switch ports and all kinds of things when it comes to that.
But if you can swing it, having one AP slash little switch per room means that there's
a lot of flexibility and there's a lot of modularity that I think it's been really handy
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for us.
And I don't think we will build another building at the church that has classrooms that doesn't
have this type of thought process in it.
I would agree.
So I guess the one thing to keep in mind for those with the wall mount is they're not going
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to cover a ton of area, not like the traditional AP.
And so they really are about that room, whether it's the classroom, if it's in a hotel room,
whatever it is, you're getting a little bit of bleed over to the next room over, but they're
really intended around smaller spaces.
(52:01):
We can cover the same area with one AP as four of these wall mounts.
And sorry, normal AP, not the long range, not anything like that, but just the E7 or
something like that, which I don't know.
Did we talk much about range improvements in six or seven?
(52:23):
No, we were just hitting on the specs there.
It's fine.
I think the biggest thing in Wi-Fi was that six had a lot of potential, didn't quite deliver.
Six E fixed it and made it feel right.
And then seven is just, again, just kind of continuing.
(52:44):
So I do believe they've got to get away from 2.4 gigahertz.
So I'm glad that they introduced six, because you're going to get a ton more bandwidth out
of five and six.
Again, that's the beauty of it.
As the frequency goes up, more bandwidth.
2.4 just gets obliterated by microwaves, home automation.
(53:11):
There's a lot of home automation in that frequency.
I mean, it's so big now.
Everything's got to be automated.
Can't just walk into your house, turn on a light.
Nope.
Oh, I sprained my finger.
We are so weak.
I borrowed that from a commercial, I have to admit.
It's pretty funny.
(53:32):
I think it's progressive.
Always.
Just showing off.
It's my fault.
I shouldn't have done that.
Anyway, that's a lot, bro.
It is.
It is.
Another fire hose situation.
Lots of gigahertz and gigabits.
(53:53):
I'm just telling you, it's still funny.
You can disagree.
That's fine.
You're wrong.
That's okay.
That's okay.
So I don't have my own Wi-Fi 7 at home yet, but I'd like to get there.
One of these days, it's going to happen.
I feel strongly about it.
(54:14):
I don't even think I have six, to be honest.
I don't think I do.
No, all of mine is five, for sure.
What is it I've got?
That's bad.
I should know my own access points.
Can you think about everything else that you're holding in your brain right now?
(54:38):
The place that you are at probably less than everywhere else?
Yeah.
Sure, it's home, but I don't know that the serial numbers are imprinted on the back of
your...
Oh, that's it.
The Nano HD.
Oh, yeah.
Those are going to be Wi-Fi 5, that's AC, but they are wave 2, which just means essentially
(55:04):
more bandwidth, more throughput.
But I do have cool names.
I remember them.
What did you name your stuff after?
It's all Star Wars.
Of course it is.
And it's the good Star Wars.
Yeah, no.
So my first one that I put in was in my kitchen, and that is the Citadel dish.
(55:24):
That is from Rogue One.
Still good Star Wars.
The other one that's on the other side of the house is the Falcon dish from the Millennium
Falcon.
Really?
Is that what that...
I'm sorry.
I see what you did there.
Then my...
You mean the Falcon.
The Falcon, yes.
And then my Udium SQ.
(55:45):
I really did have the longest time just because of how different...
Whatever.
I was like, is it an A or a U?
I was a kid.
I was a kid.
Which is it?
It just didn't make any sense to me.
I'm like, they're making stuff up anyway.
There could be something called a Falcon.
Yep.
Fulcrum?
Fulcrum.
Anyway.
Yeah.
(56:06):
So my Udium SE is the Scarif Volt.
Again, Rogue One.
My little 8 port switch.
And I'm very proud of this name.
IG-88.
Very proud of that.
But you knew IG-88 before everybody else did.
Well, I mean, I love my Star Wars.
(56:27):
George Lucas.
I'm just saying.
Lucas for the win.
IG-88 was a thing.
He was a bounty hunter.
He was a bounty hunter.
And it wasn't like...
Anyway.
Just saying.
And no disintegrations.
No disintegrations.
And then my 24 port switch, which was overkill, technically don't need it.
(56:48):
K2SO.
Rogue One.
Oh no.
You don't remember K2SO with all of these?
Sorry.
Satire?
I was trying to think.
Do you know who did that voice?
Yes.
Alan Tudyk.
Yeah.
Who does like all of the craziest voices.
I'm proud of me for remembering that name that quick.
Yeah.
(57:09):
Like that dude, like he's...
So he's...
Say it one more time.
Alan Tudyk.
No.
K2SO?
K2SO.
He's K2SO.
He's also the rooster in Moana.
Oh.
So I'm just saying like the just like, what the heck?
(57:32):
I loved him in Firefly.
Yeah.
You ever seen that?
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
I'm just saying there's some range there.
Just a little bit.
A little bit.
And then I have two more just while we're sharing device names.
I have their PDU Pro.
(57:53):
Absolutely love it.
It's a little expensive considering you can buy something fairly cheap on Amazon and achieve
most of the same things.
But I named that one the indoor shield generator.
Is that because it was expensive or because it crashed?
No, because it's power.
Power.
The shield generator.
And then the last one, this is my only camera that I have.
(58:17):
It's out on the front porch.
It basically...
Don't tell everybody that.
He's got one on the back porch and inside of the...
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Not indoor.
Oh, no.
This is out on the front porch.
It watches for packages.
And it used to watch for your children.
It used to watch for children.
That's true.
I named that one, and I'm also proud of this one, Imperial Prodroid.
(58:41):
Yes.
So, that's the names that I came up with.
I like it.
Yeah.
I'm going to start naming my devices after beers.
Oh, that could be fun too.
Treme is going to be first.
I'm just saying.
Okay.
Okay.
Fair enough.
Well, that's right.
I named some of my devices as well.
(59:04):
My thermostat is Hoth.
Do you like it cold in your house, Chicago?
I do, but my wife does not.
I'm not going to say that one out loud.
Really?
I'll get in trouble.
It's when I named my son's computer.
I'm just not going to do it.
I'm not going to get in trouble.
(59:26):
This is a family show.
It is a family show.
Family show.
You better not.
That's what I would name my son's computer.
Don't even think about it.
And my sprinkler controller, Camino.
Camino.
There you go.
Well, there you go.
All right.
Hey.
There's a little side quest.
Are you going to read the boost?
(59:46):
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
So, we do have a boost.
Magical experience together.
All right.
So, where's the amount?
Oh, it's not showing the amount pre-bo.
(01:00:15):
Usually it shows you the amount before they take anything out.
All right.
So, we have 731 Sats from the sole provider of the show, Jason Cort.
And this is actually directed to you, John.
Oh, hey.
In reference to the previous show.
Okay.
Did I say something that I shouldn't have said?
I don't think so.
(01:00:35):
Okay.
Just making sure.
I don't think so.
Oh, so it looks like it was originally 777.
Oh, okay.
Because of the way things get split and handed off.
731.
Okay.
Thought experiment.
Find a use case for two Spectra bases to be a 32 by 32 wireless snake you know if you
(01:01:00):
have 30,000 laying around.
So, literally using two of them connected together to form a wireless snake.
I'm not sure if they support that, but it's an intriguing idea.
(01:01:27):
I don't know why you couldn't, but I also don't know why you would.
Does that make sense?
So Jason, I think that because it's got you know 32 in and 32 out, that you could put
one of these on your you know.
(01:01:49):
You know the thing.
Well you could.
This does like it would break down either way.
So even even if you only.
Okay.
Here's what I'm trying to say.
What I'm trying to say, Jason, is that if if you like you you are going to need to plug
it in board side.
(01:02:11):
Right.
And you need the wireless to be able to reach the transmitters and receivers that are actually
on the unwired end.
You're going to need those to be able to hit it or to be able to reach it from the distance
that they're at.
(01:02:31):
I don't think that you would get increased range by having another one on the other end,
but maybe you would.
But the the idea is that with 32 in and 32 out like I mean it would be kind of funny,
but you would just get one of the receivers or the body packs.
(01:02:55):
That's the.
Instead of using one of those.
On a person they would they would be able to.
I mean adapter sure and that adapter would look ugly as sin, but you would go stereo
out of that into your speakers.
(01:03:19):
And then do this the input to it would have to be.
You know something that could be wired in.
Probably your bass player because he's not doing much.
I'm kidding.
I mean, you know what I mean though like the body packs would then serve as.
(01:03:48):
And you'd have to figure out the wireless.
He's probably thinking about this better than I am.
Well I'm still trying to understand what he's ultimately trying to achieve.
I mean a wireless snake.
Yeah but that's the ultimate achievement.
I'm just saying when we went from having to coil that sucker on the ground because it's
(01:04:09):
so much copper that you just kind of want to die.
And then you're like oh let me just run this underneath these chairs like are you kidding?
It was horrible to hey I got this cat 5e and I'm just going to like slide it to in fact
I could throw this thing to you.
(01:04:30):
Did you just catch it and then plug it into that box that's behind you?
That was I mean insane.
I remember that thought of like no no no this can't be possible.
Like I'm all for things being better but this feels like some sort of injustice that I have
(01:04:53):
been carrying these massive snakes around dreaming about the day that I could have a
split snake even you know.
Just so I don't have to have those huge boxes on the end of my snake or the fan that's like
blah blah blah.
Here's all your inputs.
(01:05:14):
I'm just saying like the day that it was like no no no this is possible and let me tell
you what it's also affordable if you buy it from this company.
I was like I don't care what their name is I'm buying that and we sure did.
Anyway.
Ah that's good.
So I guess where I Jason I would love to talk about this with you and maybe it would be
(01:05:36):
over a beer.
Oh I think you do that.
I'm just saying we need to figure that out.
Call.
Yes.
So that is our boost for the show.
Thank you Jason as always.
Love you brother.
So I have one other thing to talk about.
(01:05:58):
You know I had the theory on why some of the more recent shows seem to kick up higher than
others and my theory was that out of the last five the two that had bitter in the name saw
a significant increase.
Yes okay yeah I remember this theory.
Yes well I'm sad to say the theory has been destroyed.
(01:06:19):
Because we had a bad show last week.
I wouldn't call it bad but I snuck in bitter so it's Sennheiser spectra not so bitter and
it kind of fell in line with a typical show.
Whereas sweet gateways even more bitter and oh the bitter really outpaced the other shows.
(01:06:42):
Well guys we thought we had figured out your.
I go back to the drawing board and I have no idea why a random show just skyrockets
in terms of our terms of skyrocketing not Joe Rogan level.
Listen that's just we don't need to be compared to.
I'm assuming that every now and then we hit the front page of somebody going into their
(01:07:07):
app and they're like oh what's that show.
I'll watch that.
That's my best guess.
No idea.
So I will keep trying to figure out the reason for the random spikes.
Because we're that kind of persistent.
Yes.
(01:07:28):
Yes yes.
So but we are we're continuing to stay worldwide.
Can't complain.
Nailed it.
Yes.
Thank you New Zealand.
Yes thank you for completing the set.
It was really important to us.
I'm just saying.
(01:07:48):
Still no Aussies.
Come on man.
So I think that's all I've got.
Appreciate you brother.
Enjoyed it man as always.
All right we'll talk to you later.
Sounds good.
See you everybody.
Fabulous podcast.
(01:08:26):
Thanks boys.
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