THE CONSTELLATIONS THERAPY EPISODE

In this episode we explore Constellations Therapy which is a technique that allows individuals or groups to explore their family dynamics and interpersonal relationships through a process that often involves representing family members or elements of a system using other participants or objects. 

trî chung is an integrative manual and somatic trauma therapist, group facilitator and educator utilizing many modalities, such as Cranial, Sacral, Polarity, Osteopathic, Constellations Therapy and Somatic Experiencing to explore and holistically treat pain, injury, or trauma, supporting clients to be their highest visions of themselves.

Our willing participant is Cassie Tregellis. She is an entertainment marketing executive who has worked in the field for over 20 years. She considers herself a lifelong student and has spent many years exploring any and all modalities of growth in self-reflection. 

Episode Transcript

Tri (00:05):
I always think of a session as a microcosm of the greater
process in life.
I always give things space inthe moment because, a lot of
people's survival strategies areusing their mind to try to
figure things out and a lot oftrauma lives, behind the
conscious mind in thesubconscious.
So the more we can access thesubconscious, whether it's

(00:25):
through a somatic experience orthrough intuition.
That is, connecting to yourselfa lot more.

Krista (00:34):
Welcome to the Beginner's Guide to the Third
Eye, the podcast that delvesinto the profound realms of
spiritual experiences, exploringthe dedicated practitioners and
various modalities that guide uson our transformative path.
Together, we will explore themystical, the magical, the
enlightened, and the sacred.

(00:55):
In each episode, we pairseasoned practitioners,
spiritual experiences, orhealing modalities, and a
willing participant to sharetheir experience in working
together.
We will explore the uniqueinsights, stories, and wisdom
gained from their own profoundjourneys, unveiling the
extraordinary narratives thatshape spiritual seekers and

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practitioners alike.
My name is Krista Rauschenbergand my work as a healer has
emerged from hundreds of hoursof certified training, spiritual
initiations, direct experience,and deep personal work.
I have been employed in thehealing arts as a postpartum
doula, an advanced Akashicreader, an Akashic breathwork
practitioner, and a writer.

(01:38):
Facilitating and educatingpeople through their personal,
spiritual, and healing journeysis my greatest source of
happiness.

El (01:45):
And I'm Elle Larson.
I use sound and space to helpbalance internal and external
environments.
I've practiced holistic healingmodalities for over 20 years,
and my work includes Tibetanbull sound healing, feng shui,
reiki, and shamanism.

Krista (01:58):
Welcome once again to The Beginner's Guide to the
Third Eye where we demystify themystical I'm really excited
about highlighting the work intoday's show, Constellations
Therapy.
This work brings forward theparts of ourselves that we may
have tucked away for protectionor hidden away from ourselves or
others.

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I feel its power lies inbringing forward the things we
can't or don't see, rather thanbuilding on what we already know
we're suffering from.
Constellations therapy is atechnique that allows
individuals or groups to exploretheir family dynamics and
interpersonal relationshipsthrough a process that often
involves representing familymembers or elements of a system

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using other participants orobjects.
Constellations Therapy takes asystematic perspective, viewing
individuals within the contextof their broader systems, such
as families, communities, andcultural backgrounds.
It emphasizes theinterconnectedness of
individuals and the influence oflarger systems on personal

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experience and behaviors.
It recognizes that individualsmay be influenced unresolved
traumas, or hidden dynamicswithin their family system.
By honoring by honoring andacknowledging their stories and
experiences, individuals canfind a sense of belonging,
continuity, and purpose in theirown lives.

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Our practitioner this week isTri Chung.
Tri is an integrative manual andsomatic trauma therapist, group
facilitator, and educator.
Tri uses many modalities such ascranial sacral, polarity,
osteopathic, constellationstherapy, And somatic
experiencing to explore andholistically treat pain, injury,

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or trauma and an individualsystem.
Tri's passion is to offer toolsand resources to release trauma,
regulate stress, and createembodied practices that support
people to be their highestvisions of themselves.
And our willing participant isCassie Tregalis.
She is an entertainmentmarketing executive who has

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worked in the field for over 20years.
She considers herself a lifelongstudent and has spent many years
exploring any and all modalitiesof growth in self reflection.
Welcome to you both.
We are so happy to have you.
Tri, I'd love to start with you.
You offer so many types ofhealing strategies, not just
constellations therapy, which iswhat we're going to focus on

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today.
So I'm interested in how it allbegan for you.
What modality first caught yourinterest and how did you hear
about it or become interested init?
What was your evolution?

Tri (04:39):
So my journey has started like many people with chronic
pain or injury or some big lifeevent.
I know a lot of people will havea big illness actually in some
traditional cultures withshamanism, there's usually some
sort of like life threateningillness that happens that is the
shaman's journey.

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So I think in the Western world,I've noticed a lot of
practitioners have a similarkind of journey.
And for me, I had a car accidentin 2008 and I was rear ended and
I just never recovered from it.
I kept waking up and feelinglike I had been hit all over
again.
And this cycle continued after ayear, they basically couldn't

(05:23):
figure out what was wrong withme.
And they diagnosed me withfibromyalgia.

Krista (05:27):
Tell me about your pain.
Where was it?

Tri (05:29):
It was everywhere.
It wasn't even muscular pain.
It was neurological.
It was nerve pain.
So I felt like fire.
When I was first hit, Iobviously had muscle pain
because I was hit by the car.
But even as I started to getbetter, I would wake up.
a few weeks later and I wouldfeel like I was hit all over
again.

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And so that kept happening.
The duration would spread out alittle bit more as time went on.
So I could go two, three weekswithout feeling intense pain.
But I always had a low level ofinflammation going on.
So I always had a severe chronicfatigue.
I did always feel like my bodywas on fire, but there were,

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times where it would flare upand I would wake up and I would
feel like I had been hit by acar again.
Wow.
I couldn't move.
I couldn't do anything.
And so that lasted for a while.
It lasted for Eight years,actually.

Krista (06:24):
Oh, what were you doing for work at this time?

Tri (06:27):
At the time I was hit, I was in school full time.
I went back to school when I wasolder and I was working full
time.
I was actually a wine manager.
So I was a wine buyer for a bigcompany in San Antonio and I
managed the wine departmentthere, or I co managed the wine
department.
So I was juggling a lot and Iwill say that most people who

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are not able to recover fromsomething it's because they're
under a lot of stress and theirnervous system is not able to
fully recover I was basicallytrying to go back to school a
week later, I gave myself a weekand then as soon as I could get
up out of bed, I was like, okay,I gotta go back, that's
partially me, but I also thinkit was partially the school.
My teachers were not verysupportive.

(07:09):
They were, really pressuring meto drop out and I just couldn't
afford to do that.
And then with work also theywere just pressuring me to come
back and because I didn't breakanything.
They weren't as understanding.
They were like, there's nothingwrong with you.
The doctors say there's nothingwrong with you.
So what's wrong with you?

Krista (07:27):
Wow.

Tri (07:27):
Yeah.

Krista (07:28):
And at that time, did you have any association to a
spiritual awareness?
Like energy, where were you inthat realm?

Tri (07:38):
Nowhere near that at all whatsoever.
So I was in the veryconventional medical model.
I was taking the drugs.
I did go to an accident clinicwhich wasn't very good.
And they would give me somechiropractic adjustments, but it
was very minimal.
The clinic I went to was reallybad.

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And so later on, I did find achiropractor who was much
better, but when I firststarted, I was just basically
taking medication and again,because the doctors couldn't
find anything wrong with me,they just were like, take more
medication.
So that's where I was at.
I had no connection to energy orspirituality, which I think is
actually part of the problem ina lot of healing is a lack of

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spiritual connection.
There's a PTSD or traumarecovery and forgetting where it
comes from, but there's fivecomponents to recovery.
And one of them is having aspiritual connection.

Krista (08:35):
So then what was your first experience with the
metaphysical world or energywork?

Tri (08:40):
So I did try a lot of different types of therapies.
I tried a lot of acupuncture.
I tried herbalism.
I went to a naturopath.
I try Korean herbalism andKorean body work because I'm
Korean.
And none of them really helpedthat much until I took a class.

(09:01):
I was able to finally make myway through different referrals
and different recommendations tocraniosacral therapists.
Somebody said, Oh, I thinkcraniosacral therapy could be
good for your nervous system.
And I was like, nervous system?
Yeah, I think I have a nervoussystem that sounds good.
Maybe that will be helpful.
I went to get a couple sessionsand I noticed I felt a lot

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better.
I felt worse at first, but thenI started to feel more like
myself.
So I decided to take a classbecause at that point it had
been like eight years and I wasjust like, I can't, I got to
learn how to do some of this formyself and this is working for
me.
So let me learn about what'shappening.
Cause when I received thesession, it didn't seem like she

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was even doing anything.
I don't know if you've everwatched a craniosacral.
therapist work on someone,sometimes they'll just hold
something for five, ten minutes.
It doesn't look like they'redoing anything.
And I was like, what is going onhere?
And she kept telling me, Oh no,it's based in anatomy.
There's clinical evidence of,why this works.
And there's things that I'mdoing that are related to your
physiology.

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And I was like, okay, I don'tunderstand.
So I want to know what you'redoing.
So the first craniosacral classI took, Which ended up being a
pivotal moment for me because Iended up in the most spiritual,
craniosacral class available.
There's another school that I'vealso studied with since then who
was a lot more clinical.
I didn't end up going to thatschool that my therapist studied

(10:27):
at.
I went to this other school andI met Gary Strauss there, who
has been my teacher for the lasteight years.
I think what really captured myattention was that he did bring
in spiritual and energeticprinciples, but he talked about
it in such a grounded way.
He was really able to talk aboutenergetic principles in a way
that wasn't throwing outattitudes, it was.

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very thoughtful and verylogical.
And then it was mixed with thisvery anatomical physiological
work.
I was like, this is sofascinating to me this
combination of energeticprinciples and anatomy and
physiology.
And at the time, I didn't knowanything about anatomy.

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I'd never touched anybody.
I was freaking out about havingto practice on somebody.
But what motivated me waswatching Gary do the demos.
And again, he was like barelytouching anyone and seeing that
their pain went from eight tozero and just listening, holding
space, and very gentle tuningin.

Krista (11:35):
Beautiful.
For someone that may not know,can you give a quick description
of what craniosacral therapy is?

Tri (11:44):
Craniosacral therapy is a light touch therapy.
It comes from cranialosteopathy, which comes from
osteopathic medicine.
And it's a modality that helpssupport the craniosacral system.
generally.
So there's a lot of differentcomplexities and there are
different schools of thought incraniosacral, but generally the
focus is on the craniosacralsystem, which consists of the

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cranium, the spine, the spinalcord, the sacrum.
So the cerebrospinal fluid inthe spinal cord that washes over
your brain.
It's created in the ventriclesin your cranium, and then it
washes over your brain, overyour nerve endings, down your
spinal cord.
And then we're working with thebones as like handles and the

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fascia around that system.
And the idea is that you canfeel the craniosacral rhythm
anywhere in the body and thatit's an indicator.
If the rhythm is.
Slow or it's struggling orthere's a challenge that, that
is a place that your body needssupport.
And the idea is if yourcerebrospinal fluid is flowing,

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then it's a a positive feedbackloop where it helps your own
healing system in your body.
It awakes your own innatehealing intelligence

Krista (13:02):
through like an energy flow.
Correct.

Tri (13:04):
Exactly.
It's generative.
Yeah.
Beautiful.
Beautiful.
It's the cerebral spinal fluidis in the midline.
And the old osteopaths.
They believed that was whereyour spiritual essence lived

Krista (13:14):
I didn't know that.
That's so lovely.
Cassie, tell us a bit about yourbackground and experience with
the metaphysical, what kind ofreadings or healings have you
done before?

Cassie (13:24):
I always.
Joke that my spirituality foundme.
I grew up going to Catholicschool for 13 years,
kindergarten through highschool.
I think it was my junior year ofhigh school which was a rough
year for me personally justgoing through a lot of,

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challenging things emotionally.
I remember being at a recordstore.
Buying something and a bookliterally fell off of a shelf
and hit me in the head.
And it was many lives, manymasters by Dr.
Brian L.
Weiss.
It was the, founding father ofpast life regression therapy,
which I had never heard ofbefore.

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Without looking at it, I boughtthe book, went home, read it all
in one sitting.
And It felt like everything thatI had always felt to be true was
just articulated for me in thatbook.
And I always point back to thatmoment as being my awakening,
and since Without necessarilyreally trying or seeking it, I

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think I have just found a lot ofconsistent truths that have
resonated almost likebreadcrumbs throughout my life
that have resonated with a lotof what again was articulated in
that book.
Since then, I.
Ended up leaving college mysophomore year because of what I
call an intuitive nudge that Igot where I had this moment of

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realizing that it was.
Now my turn to choose my path inlife.
And I left college much to myparents dismay and moved to Los
Angeles and found my own pathhere working in the
entertainment industry.
It hasn't necessarily been a adeliberate journey but over the

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last couple of years,specifically somewhat, similar
to what Tri was talking abouthaving kind of a crisis for lack
of a better word.
I went through a divorce twoyears ago and entered into a new
relationship.
And while both of those thingswere actually not Something I
would consider a crisis, a lotof things happened around me

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that brought up a lot of traumathat had been just, stored in
there over my life.
And, I became, again, not, Ididn't choose it necessarily.
It was a like a nudge, from theuniverse, but I discovered
astrology and got really intothat.

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And as strange as it sounds,that really helped give me this
bigger picture perspective.
In a time where I was feelingvery just sucked into the depths
by way of that, somehow foundyou, Krista and discovered the
Akashic Records which again, Ithink when I learned about them,

(16:16):
similarly to, past liferegression therapy just seemed
like something that I had alwaysknown existed, but had never
really heard articulated It justfelt so resonant for me and I
don't even know how it happened,but I somehow blacked out and
found you.
Thanks.
Thank goodness.
And have been doing a lot ofwork with you over the past year

(16:39):
in that space, which has been,to say life changing is an
understatement.
And, through that work, I haveuncovered a connection to that
world that I always knew wasthere but didn't even fully
comprehend and still honestlyfeel like I'm just scratching
the surface.

Krista (16:56):
That's beautifully said, thank you for that.
So all that to say, you've beenseeking and questioning and
curious and you haven't hadresistance, it seems at all to
exploring.
Yeah, definitely.
Into the unknown, let's say.
Yeah.

Cassie (17:15):
Yeah.
I think you had actually askedme a question at one point about
If I felt like I neededprotection in the sort of
spiritual realm or themetaphysical world and I think
my response was something like Ifeel safer in that.
space than I do here.
And that definitely resonates.
It's true for me.

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I think that everything makes somuch more sense to me in that
world or that realm.
And only through making sense ofthat space, does this space make
sense.

Krista (17:47):
This was such a beautiful session.
Cassie, I would like to thankyou for sharing it with us and
Tri for facilitating.
It really just touched me onsuch a deep level.
Just witnessing it.
So Tri, let's go a little deeperinto the work you do with
Constellations Therapy forsomeone that has never
experienced it.
How would you describe it?

(18:07):
What would you say its purposesand how does it work?

Tri (18:11):
Yeah it is a way of working with the field, the energetic
field and the relational fieldfamily field, we are in the
field.
We're always in relationshipwith each other.
And I know there's a lot of talkabout the quantum field.
And it's a way to work with thefield and to be able to work at
observing it, witnessing andconnecting to our experience in

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those fields.
It was originally attributed toBert Hellinger, who is a German
psychologist He lived with theZulu for people for a while, and
he really took their spiritualancestral practices and
integrated them or synthesizethem with family therapy at that
time.

(18:54):
There's a lot of, nods toGestalt.
I always say Gestalt, but Ithink it's Gestalt.
Virginia Satir is another bigperson who influenced him.
And so Bert Hellinger, developedthis way of working to discover
where ancestral and familytrauma came from, to be able to
understand the roles that weplay.

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that we inhabit and where theycome from.
A lot of times they are fromfamily dynamics or ancestral
trauma.
And because the system the fieldis trying to resolve an old
trauma, we end up.
Seeing it show up in eachgeneration, oftentimes a person

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will end up almost taking onthat trauma or they end up
playing a role in that systemthat they aren't conscious of.
This allows us to see thedynamics in a three dimensional
way.
Traditionally it's done withother people and to resonate or
represent different aspects ofthe system.

Krista (19:57):
The actual people in the family dynamic.

Tri (20:00):
Yeah.
So you won't have them in theconstellation.
You'll have people representingthem.
And because it's aphenomenological modality we
rely on this somatic sensoryexperiential resonation.
And so it's a littleinexplicable, but there, there
is an aspect of magic to it.

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I believe when you step into thefield, things come up and you
have to experience it foryourself, but sometimes when you
step into representation, youfeel things that are not maybe
your own things and it's reallyaccurate to the person's field.

Krista (20:37):
Wow.
It's powerful.
So you started with a sentenceof intention that was based on
Cassie, your ability to trust.
I think the exact sentence was,I have a hard time trusting.
I find it difficult to trust.
And then you identified elementsof the sentence, which were I
and find and trust Tri.

(20:59):
Can you explain a little bitmore about.
Setting up that sentence and whyit's necessary.

Tri (21:06):
Yes.
So the traditional familyConstellations has branched out
into a lot of different kinds ofConstellations.
So systemic Constellations canbe done with any group.
Franz Rupert, the developer ofID Constellations.
Discovered over thousands ofsessions, that it was more
important To focus on theperson's psyche than the family

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system, because the psyche isreally where everything lives.
And so that's where our humanbehavior lives.
And it's more self focused,understanding who am I in
relationship to the world andbeing able to focus on self
versus focusing on the family.

Krista (21:47):
And different people might need different elements of
that at different times in theirlife.
It might be important to tryboth depending where you are,
right?

Tri (21:55):
Yeah, I think Constellations is great.
All the time.
In my opinion, I just loveConstellations for anything.
You can use it for business aswell and organizations it's like
any modality.
Sometimes you need a massage.
Sometimes you need achiropractic adjustment.
Sometimes you need osteopathictherapy.
Sometimes you need lymph.
So it's like that and with thisID session, it's focusing on the

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sentence of intention.
And then what comes up in thepsyche around these different
elements.
And so they're not necessarilyliterally these words.
It's not literally trustsometimes people will use other
people's names in the sentence.
When someone's resonating,you're not actually resonating
them.

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It's just what comes up for youin your psyche and your
subconscious around that word.
Or element.
We have the sentence ofintention that I find it
difficult to trust.
And basically, I'm going to haveyou pick three objects in your
space.
And it can really be anything,and so you're going to pick

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three elements of the sentence.
One of them is going to be I,and then two other elements of
the sentence.

Cassie (23:10):
I'm feeling inclined to use find or like the idea of
finding it rather thandifficult.
And then obviously trUst.

Tri (23:17):
To give you a little bit more background about the
session basically what we'regoing to do is we're just seeing
what comes up for you andnoticing what's what comes up
for you around each of theseelements.
And I will guide you and it isimportant.
To be able to notice what ishappening in your experience as
we're doing this, because like Isaid, it's all related.

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We are, in a relational fieldwith each other.
And so whatever comes up in thefield is really important to
acknowledge and It's relevant toyour process are you noticing
some charge around like needingto do your best right now?

Cassie (23:54):
Maybe a little bit.
I just, like I said, I justdon't know what is expected of
me yet.
So I'm just I'm just trying tosurrender.
I'm trying to surrender.

Tri (24:01):
It's okay that you're feeling that.
That could be part of yoursentence, the intention that you
have that I find it difficult totrust.
And maybe there's a sense ofperceived danger in not knowing
what's happening.

Cassie (24:14):
Yeah, I'm definitely feeling emotions coming up,
which I don't know why I'm likesweating.

Tri (24:19):
Is it okay to let those emotions come up and to just let
your nervous system process someof the heat that comes up around
that?
Was it something in particular Isaid that really caught your
emotions?

Cassie (24:30):
I don't know.
Maybe just the safety part.

Tri (24:33):
Just that sense of safety.
Can I ask what you notice aroundthat in your body or in your
nervous system or your energy?

Cassie (24:40):
I don't think I like being seen vulnerable.
It's, it was not welcomed when Iwas.
Growing up and it's somethingthat I've been trying to work
through.
And it's gotten better.
I've been allowing myself tojust feel things as they come
up, like I'm doing right now.
Cause I don't know exactly why Ifeel this way.
But yeah, it's not a comfortablefeeling for me.
I'm not like one of those peoplewho is comfortable like crying

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in front of other people orbeing like witnessed in emotion.

Tri (25:08):
So it wasn't welcomed and it wasn't supported or
encouraged when you were youngerto be vulnerable or to have
emotions.
Definitely nOt.

Krista (25:19):
And then you had Cassie collect three objects and ask
that she didn't choose themusing her mind, but chose them
using her intuition.
So you had her choose threeobjects that were just in and
around her house.
Tell us about that.

Tri (25:32):
Yeah, I think it's important to be able to connect
to what your whole system isbeing called to versus just your
mind.
Part of people's survivalstrategies is that they are
using their mind to try tofigure things out.
And actually a lot of traumalives, behind the conscious mind
or under the conscious mind andin the subconscious.
And so the more we can accessthe subconscious, whether it's

(25:55):
through that's a somaticexperience or through intuition.
I think that is reallyconnecting to yourself a lot
more.

Krista (26:04):
And then you entered into what you called a
relational field.
You stated that it was importantto notice what came up within
that field.
Can you explain what that is,and what it felt like for you?

Tri (26:15):
Sure.
So we're always in a field.
So when we decide to do asession, it's just switching the
intention to be able to focus onthe field of someone's
subconscious or their psyche.
And there is a word for it'scalled the morphogenic field.

Krista (26:29):
Morphogenic field.

Tri (26:31):
Yeah, but in craniosacral, there's also a relational field.
So there's a lot of differentwords for it.
The more intentionality that wehave towards what's happening in
the field from the beginning ofthe session to the end, whether
or not we're connecting orchecking in it could be even
before the session, we're alwaysin some sort of field of a
phenomenon.

Krista (26:52):
So another way to say it might be, you're creating a
space, a container, a field, isthat all?
Yeah.
Okay.

Tri (27:00):
and I will say the process is happening in the background
all the time.

Krista (27:04):
True.

Tri (27:04):
So the sentence of intention is to focus the
intention and to create acontainer.

Krista (27:09):
Beautiful.
And how does it feel for you asa practitioner?
Do you have sensations are somefields more charged, less
charged?
Are you picking up any kind ofinformation through the
energetic field?

Tri (27:23):
Yes, I will say yes to all of that.
I am noticing sensations,emotions, A big anchor for me is
sensations, emotions, thoughts.
And one of the things I hadlearned in my somatic processing
trainings, also called SIBAM,which is from somatic
experiencing sensation, image,behavior, affect, and meaning.

(27:45):
Those are all anchors, but whatI'm noticing in my own system
is, yeah, what do I notice?
What is happening right now?
Am I noticing feelings in mybody?
Am I noticing energy in thefield?
And a lot of times there's a lothappening.
So it's just being able toreally be in my own alignment
while that's happening.

(28:06):
And it's almost like meditatingpull back a little bit and just
notice what is happening.
Because.
To me, there's always a lothappening, whether or not we're
in a session or not.
And I will say that, of course,everybody's fields are different
from moment to moment.
And some, sometimes there is alot of energy.

(28:28):
Sometimes there is this likealmost sense of stillness.
And the more that you canconnect to that sense, and name
it intelligence the field willhave.

Krista (28:40):
And then as the practitioner, you might be a few
steps ahead of your client.
Is it your job to support themin a way to help them find their
next, Move or perhaps a way toopen up into a truth or a
realization

Tri (29:01):
actually one of the things that has helped me a lot is to
not think about what to do next.
The more that I worry aboutwhat's going to happen next, the
more that I'm not present in themoment.
And this is a big principlewithin cranial sacral as well,
which is why,these modalitieshave a lot in common that the
more that we can be present tosomething.
the more it can have space.
And a big part of Constellationsis trusting the process.

(29:25):
and trusting what's going tocome up and being with what's
coming up in the moment and nothaving an idea of what do I need
to do next?
Or what does this person neednext?
It's really sitting with things.
And then the more that you'reable to sit with something, the
more it allows the energy tocome through.

Krista (29:42):
Yeah.
It's powerful.
How just allowing space orstillness to be present, allowed
everything to open creating thatspace and then the quiet, and
then just being in service to itallowed for.
a lot to awaken.

(30:04):
Cassie, tell us about yourexperience within the session,
starting with what yourexpectations or reservations
were coming into this, and thenwhat effect did the session have
on you?
Yeah.

Cassie (30:17):
I had really no expectations and I knew nothing
about Constellations Therapy,which I think I must have said
about 25 times at the beginningof the session.
I think part of what came up forme certainly at the beginning
was, I don't know how to do this

Krista (30:37):
how did that make you feel?

Cassie (30:38):
Awful! It's not comfortable.
But I was just so in awe withthe space that Tri held.
And, hearing you say Tri, how somuch of that practice is about
just not really having a nextstep and just allowing the space
and the silence to exist.

(31:01):
I felt that and it is notcomfortable at all.
And is so powerful.
Because it really is as yousaid, it's what allows all of
that discomfort, all of what'sbeen churning beneath the
surface to come up.
You had said something in whatfor me was a very uncomfortable

(31:22):
silence about how, in trauma,oftentimes our feelings aren't
named and because of that,aren't given the attention that
they need in those moments to gothrough the full emotional
process of feeling it andexperiencing it and then
releasing it.
And so they You know, stored, inour body as trauma and not

(31:44):
surprisingly, I guess theprocess of feeling them now
later in life is not comfortableand is so impactful.
I was reeling in a good way fromthe session for almost a week
after, it, it continued to comeup for me in the days after that

(32:05):
And I felt like I was able toreally allow myself to name the
feelings that were coming up,even if they were uncomfortable
and really allow myself toexperience them.
I think I can't remember if younamed this in the session or
not, but there was a lot of kindof a teenager, like my inner

(32:25):
teenager almost raging against,the emotional repression that I
was I guess forced into, not tosound dramatic, but as a child
and, I felt like for the coupleof days after that, I described
myself to others around me asfeeling like a teenager who was

(32:45):
just like raging.
And I'm like, you're just goingto have to deal with this
teenager today because she's gota lot of anger coming up.
And I, allowed her to just, Isat with that and literally gave
attention to my teenage self andwas just like, you can feel this
and will help take care of youso you can feel this now.

(33:09):
Which was such a powerfulexperience and I think really
allowed me to enable thatfeeling to just move through me.

Krista (33:19):
That teenager now?

Cassie (33:22):
She's quiet today, so I guess she's feeling okay.
Yeah, people talk about innerchild work and that kind of
thing in a way that I know cansound so cliche, but when you do
it, it really is.
so powerful and it's, and it isuncomfortable.

(33:43):
Like it's not a comfortableprocess, but being able to
really just sit with whateverversion of it is for you, like
whether it's, I've done it withmy inner newborn at times too,
of just like really allowingthat version of yourself to get
their needs met in that momentand almost like role playing it.

(34:07):
It's amazing how healing it canbe.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Krista (34:12):
So just to reiterate, Tri, you mentioned that
Constellations was a lot aboutnaming what there is and how
healing that can be, because alot of times when we experienced
trauma, it isn't acknowledged atall or named, as you say, can
you talk about that a bit andthen what the training is.
Around that, when you arelearning Constellations,

Tri (34:36):
I actually would also like to name another foundational
modality which I learned withGary.
So I learned craniosacral, but Ilearned polarity therapy.
It's polarity therapy is a bigumbrella that includes
craniosacral, not allcraniosacral includes polarity.
But polarity includescraniosacral.

(34:57):
A big part of naming what isalso in polarity.
It's acknowledgement, it's beingable to give space.
And he, in particular his wholeMO is about holding space which,
is very connected to Easternphilosophy.
Again, that meditative practiceof being able to be with what
is.

Krista (35:14):
And

Tri (35:17):
so in those trainings, I will say I've gotten them.
I will say I'll get a little bitin each training, but in
polarity and Constellationswork.
And I will say that the polarityreally helped me with the
Constellations work because Ihad already had a familiarity of
being able to acknowledge whatwas coming up and that holding

(35:37):
space and really being able tojust allow.
Okay.
Because Constellations thoughthe principle is there to name
what is, because again withtrauma a lot of times it's
things are not acknowledgedmaybe the, even that the order
is not acknowledged, the orderof love is not acknowledged.
And I will say that I learned alot of it in the polarity

(35:58):
training in the Constellationstraining that I did.
I learned with Francesca Masonboring.
And the reason why I lovedtraining with Francesca is
because she also has a veryholding space way.
And I will say that not allConstellations therapists or
teachers have that BertHellinger is a perfect example.

(36:21):
He was a very directivefacilitator.
he was very good at naming whatis, but he would really do a lot
of interventions.
And direct people to move aroundand to say things.

Krista (36:33):
Yeah.

Tri (36:34):
So there's different and varying levels of being able to
acknowledge and name what issome are more spacious, some are
more directive.
What I loved about Francesca isthat she did have that more
holding space way and being ableto give space to what was
happening.
And so there's a lot ofmodeling.
With Constellations.
The best way to learn it is tosee it because the more and more

(36:56):
Constellations you can see andbe a part of the more that you
can see where all the places arethat things are not acknowledged
and how all the different waysthat things are not
acknowledged.
And I will say that is a hugeresource and being able to just
practice it and practice and seeit.
Yeah.
A workout.
And then with the IDConstellations, I did a two year

(37:16):
training with the identitydevelopment Institute.
And they also have that veryholding space.
They're actually very nondirective.
And they give a lot of autonomyto the person as well.
And again, it's likeexperiential, it's just doing it
over and over again, being.
Participant being a receiver andthen practicing facilitating and

(37:39):
so it's not just like a one timething.
I will say to me, it's aconstant practice to be able to
acknowledge and hold space.

Krista (37:47):
Sure.
Of course.
And I think your style reallycompliments your being your
energy, the quality of you,because I have had other
Constellations work done withsomeone that was very.
Directive almost opposite towhat you do.
So isn't that beautiful that,your healing work, your energy

(38:08):
work is just an extension of youand developing, a relationship
with you.
Does that resonate?

Tri (38:15):
Yeah, thank you so much.
I talk about this with mycolleague, a lot we talk about
how this polarity backgroundthat we have.
Has really helped us andsupported us to be able to even
name what's coming up in thegroup.
Yeah.
Before the session even starts,like what's happening in the
field right now?

(38:35):
Like with the thing with Cassie,when Cassie kept naming I don't
know what Constellations is.
So most people would maybe just.
Right?
Yeah.
Either want to fix the need ornot notice it.
Yeah.
I was like, okay, this issomething that's coming up for
you multiple times.
So how can we honor this?
How can we give it space?

(38:57):
And I do want to credit myteachers who have taught me that
I am very grateful that I hadthose kinds of styles.
And that's my default modeanyway, is to really notice
what's happening.

Krista (39:11):
That's beautiful.
It's a talent.
I in my work, I've been shown orseen time and time again, that,
any and all healing begins withawareness.
First, you just have to know andnotice and see it and pay
attention.
And it's the threshold to anykind of change, so back to the

(39:34):
session.
You start with a sentence ofintention.
You choose inanimate objectsthat are around you through kind
of an intuition.
And then you isolate certainwords within the sentence and
Cassie, the word find which youassociated with this beautiful
beetle that was in a loose site,square.

(39:55):
That became a touchstone for youwithin the session.
So finding safety, findingtrust, being able to see it,
knowing it was there, but notbeing able to find it or touch
it.
You made the observation thatthe little beetle was stuck in
the glass all alone.
Tell us about your experiencewith the object and then the
word find.

Cassie (40:16):
Yeah, it was really interesting.
The fact that you justarbitrarily choose these objects
and then are able to create sucha profound and direct connection
to the word that you'reresonating with it was really
fascinating.
There was something about theword find for me for whatever
reason that really I found to beimportant.

(40:38):
Like I, we had initially talkedabout a sentence that was more
along the lines of, I can'ttrust or something, but there
was something about theactiveness of the word find for
me.
And I find it hard to trust.
I find it hard.
I find it difficult to trust.
I think was the sentence.
And yeah, it was amazing.
And I think Tri made adistinction even between the

(41:01):
word stuck.
I think the word you used Triwas stillness What came up for
me was this barrier betweenmyself and my ability to engage
with trust.

Tri (41:16):
I think, There is some pain around that too.
It reminds me a little bit oflike a teenager.
It's like they're very angry,but actually underneath it,
there is pain because there'sthat constant work that you're
talking about of trying to catchsomething that you can't get.

Cassie (41:31):
Yeah.

Tri (41:32):
Yeah.

Cassie (41:33):
Yeah.
I've had a lot of rage come upover the last year or so, that
I've really never experiencedbefore, and it's just literally
screaming because nobody islistening or hearing me there's
that feeling of defeatafterwards where you just give
up and you're like no one carespeople misunderstand the
screaming and they misunderstandthe rage and they Turn it back

(41:54):
on me.
So it's like, why would I engagewith that?

Tri (41:58):
Yeah.
Yeah.
We need to be seen andunderstood, but we're not.
And so now we don't want to doit anymore.
How is it for you when you lookat trust or when you connect
with trust right now, aftersaying all of that,

Cassie (42:16):
It still feels elusive.
I guess I don't feel connectedto it.

Tri (42:20):
Yeah, I'm trying to find the sentence but it is, it's
elusive..
I was like, oh, it's rightthere.
There's something like rightthere.
Um, and it feels so related tohow you feel towards yourself.
You know, There's this part ofyou that has wanted trust and

(42:42):
love for so long, and that hasbeen shut down, that has not
been disconnected.
And so, it feels sad becausethere's a disconnection from
yourself, and it was, a way tosurvive the pain of not having
love.

Cassie (43:00):
Yeah.

Tri (43:00):
What you're describing is a pretty complex relationship with
trust and it really circlesaround this being seen and heard
and understood, right?
So that's coming up a lot today.
And so there's aspect oftrusting that you can actually
be seen and actually be heardand actually be understood.
Can you really trust that?
Cause you haven't, you didn'thave that.

(43:23):
And this part is describing thisreally strong desire to both
give up and then a lot of reach.
So even with the Oh my God, Idon't want to do this anymore.
There's still a lot of lifeenergy.
Yeah.
Big theme for me.
Yeah.
And so maybe it's not so muchabout finding trust because I

(43:48):
think it's there, but It's it'sabout being able to give space
to all of these emotions thatyou have around the pain of the
trauma that you had growing upof not being seen or heard or
understood.
Maybe for you, it's not aboutforcing yourself to trust
people, but to acknowledge thatin order to trust somebody, you

(44:08):
need to feel heard and seen andunderstood.

Cassie (44:11):
That is definitely true.
It was amazing that this littlebeetle was suspended in this
little piece of resin and youcould see the entirety of the
beetle.
You could turn it around and seeits underbelly and all the parts
of it.
And yet it was still.
To use Tris words in stillnessand suspended in that space.

(44:32):
And that it was it wasdefinitely very resonant with
how I was feeling.
And I think a lot of what wascoming up for me was around not
feeling seen and heard andunderstood.
That was like the core wound.
I think that I took away fromthe session that like really
resonated for days after.
And I think just the irony oflooking at this little beetle

(44:53):
that you could see, you couldsee all of it, but it still
didn't feel, I still didn't feelseen.

Krista (45:00):
Yeah.
Tri, you offered the valuesentence

Cassie (45:02):
yeah.
That was, thank you for that Tribecause that, I took that away
from that session.
Like I said, I wrote it down.
I think it was the only thing Iwrote down the whole time and I
carried it with me.
I still do.
It was a big lightning boltmoment for me.
And the sentence was, I need tofeel seen, heard, and understood
in order to trust.

(45:24):
And it was, As simple as itsounds like it really did break
through for me because I thinkthat I always thought there was
something wrong with me andthat's why I couldn't trust and
instead it was like no this isthe need that you have, the
needs that you have in order totrust, and just even that
reframing, I can't even tell youI mean that.

(45:46):
It completely shifted my entireperspective of my relationship
to trust.

Krista (45:52):
Because then didn't it just give you permission, right?
All of a sudden it's like, oh,this is what I need and that's
okay.
I now have permission or I'mgiving myself permission to even
ask for those things.
Which are easy to give someoneyou love if you understand what
they're asking for or what theyneed.

Cassie (46:11):
Yeah, and I think even tying it back to that kind of
core wound that came up throughexploring find of not feeling
seen, heard, and understood, Ithink like we were talking about
before, the more that you'reable to name, those feelings
that come up, you're then ableto craft what you need in that

(46:35):
moment.
And to connect those dots ofthat is the core wound.
And this is what I need in orderto get this thing that is not
implicit, like it is an earnedrelational dynamic.
That just, it really, again, assimple as it was, or as simple
as it may sound.
To other people.

(46:55):
It really reframed everythingfor me

Krista (46:58):
because within that Tri was able to identify your
survival or coping mechanisms inprotecting yourself and gave you
permission or offered permissionthat those coping mechanisms
aren't right or wrong or good orbad.
Those are your default and tovalue them.
Knowing your needs areimportant, having no shame

(47:21):
around them, and knowing thatthey are identifiers and they're
telling you something then youcan start to work backwards
into, okay, my needs are this,and they're not being met, and
therefore I don't feel like Ican trust.

Cassie (47:33):
Yeah, I think even more than that, I think what they did
was they, me to honor and thankthose coping mechanisms.
As something that did serve toprotect me at one point.
But that is that are no longerserving me.
I think similar to giving theattention and the naming to the

(47:55):
feelings that came up asuncomfortable as they may be to
also give that attention andhonor to These coping mechanisms
that did serve a purpose toprotect me really allowing them
to have a space and to behonored so that you can
similarly release them and say,Thank you.
You've done your job.
I don't need you anymore.

(48:17):
Good day, and send them on theirway.

Krista (48:20):
Yeah.
Perfect.
Next step kind of thing.
And then Cassie, you found thatyou had a numbness towards
trusting.
Is that a new revelation or wereyou already aware of that?
And if you were aware, did itfeel at all different in the
setting or experience?

Cassie (48:36):
Gosh, I don't know that it's, I don't know that I would
say it was new, although I don'tknow that I'd ever explored it
in that way.
I think.
Yeah, I think it was, there wasdefinitely a resistance to it
and a bit of a numbness.
And even in the process, likethere was a moment I remember
feeling during the process offeeling shame in that.

(48:59):
And Tri did such an amazing jobof holding space for what was
and that allowed me to justquickly dissolve that shame and
be like, you know what, this iswhat I'm feeling right now.
This is just what's here for me.
It doesn't mean that this is howit's always going to be.
But right now I am, I'm feelingthat resistance and, allowing

(49:21):
that to just be what it was.
And I think, as I processed thesession in the days after that
softened Like I said, I thinkeven just that statement of, I
need to be seen, heard, andunderstood in order to trust,
like just letting that kind ofsink in and allowing that to

(49:43):
reframe my relationship totrust, it softened that
resistance a bit.

Krista (49:49):
You then went a step further.
And you said, I have no memoryof trust or being able to trust.
So you are essentially buildingsomething from nothing.
Tri, can you speak to that andtell us what are the practical
steps of having to rebuild yourrelationship to something so
fundamental as trust?

Tri (50:09):
Yeah, actually, as I'm talking about this, I realized
like how many modalities Iactually do integrate into one
session.
And, I don't know if youremember, but at the beginning
of the session, we took somemoments to acknowledge that you
couldn't remember.
And a lot of emotion came uparound that, like just not even
being able to remember, that's agood place to start.

(50:29):
How is that for you that youcan't remember?
And maybe there is a lot ofgrief in there and there's a lot
of sadness.
And so to me being able toprocess what is there is always
a good place to start.
And sometimes it could be again,a physical sensation, or it
could be an emotion.
Because.

(50:50):
There's so many ways that westore information in our bodies
and it's not always consciousand it can be in the body as
well or in the energy field orsometimes people feel it as
energy outside their bodies.

Krista (51:03):
Can you speak to the different ways we store
information in our bodies?

Tri (51:07):
Yeah.
One of the principles of IDwork, and I would say I believe
in this, is that our psyche isnot just our brain.
It's not even just ourprefrontal cortex.
There's the limbic, there's themidbrain, there's the brain
stem, the survival brain.
there's like a three braintheory that our brain has three
different parts.
And then there's also the entirenervous system, which.

(51:29):
If you track all the nerves inour body, which is connected to
our brain there's nerves that goout, there's nerves that
innervate our organs and ourmuscles.
So there's constant informationjust zipping around our body at
all times.
And that's just like theelectrical neural connection.
And they're starting to do moreand more studies that show that

(51:52):
cells have sensors to receiveelectromagnetic information,
which, of course, if you thinkabout it, that makes sense
because our hearts themselveshave a greater electromagnetic
field than our brains.
Heart math Institute does agreat job of explaining the
science of how ourelectromagnetic fields of our
hearts are tuned with each otherand there's so many books,

(52:13):
actually, like The body keepsthe score, Peter Levine has
books as well waking the tiger,how trauma is stored in our
nervous systems and bodies.
And so I, I do believe thatthere's so much more information
storage in ourselves and ourtissues and our different body
systems than just My consciousmind.

Krista (52:34):
It's fascinating, huh?
It's never ending.

Tri (52:36):
Yeah.
So if somebody doesn't have aconscious memory, then I think a
good place to start is how isthat for you that you don't have
a memory of that?
And is there something thatcomes up for you in your system
around that?

Krista (52:49):
I had a reaction just in witnessing it.
And it just spoke to how ourbodies want to communicate to
us.
And we are just stuck in thesecycles

Cassie (52:59):
And it was interesting to again, watching myself in the
session.
And I think there were probablythree times where you asked me
so lovingly and so gently, whatwas coming up for me in that
moment.
And it didn't even register forme.
I was like, what do you mean?
Do you mean what's coming up?
What's going on in my life?

(53:20):
Do you want background on me?
I didn't even hear the question.
And I noticed that when I waswatching myself in the session
where I was like, Oh, she askedme this three times, and I
couldn't even hear the question.
To your point, Krista we're soconditioned to not listen to
ourselves and listen to ourbodies and to just fill the

(53:43):
space with noise and talking andinformation and intellect and,
so yeah, I noticed thatimmediately.

Tri (53:52):
Yeah.
Feeling is hard.

Krista (53:54):
Oh, feeling is hard.

El (53:56):
Articulating feeling is hard too, a lot of times feeling for
me, especially in, deepsituations.
It's like this wave.
A big indescribable, emotionthat's difficult to maybe parse
apart.
So I'm one of those people thatreally investigates my feelings
for a while before I'm everreally speaking about them.

Tri (54:16):
Yeah.
Being able to navigate whatyou're feeling from moment to
moment, I think is a skill thatwe aren't taught in our lives.
And actually it is maybe one ofthe most important things is to
be able to even maybe not alwaysidentify what you're feeling,
but to acknowledge thatsomething's happening because we
often can react from a place offeeling.

(54:36):
And we say something that.
Reflects the feeling but isn'tacknowledging what is actually
there.
So if I'm angry, I might saysomething in a really angry
tone, or I might take somethingout maybe a momentary
frustration that's in front ofme, but maybe I'm really
actually upset about.
something else, or I might belonely or sad or something.

(54:59):
And I might be disappointed byan argument that happened,
earlier that week.
And yeah, navigating feelings issuper complicated.

Krista (55:08):
When we do that, when we slow down and isolate and
connect and register, Then weset ourselves up for the next
step of asking the question,what do I need?
And if we can, take on thatresponsibility then we're not
as.
able to project and demand and,have unrealistic expectations.

(55:30):
But our society is built onavoiding our feelings and
distracting from feeling, andjust revving up constantly and
distracting, distracting,distracting.

Cassie (55:41):
You had said something to that.
I wrote down actually, as I wasre listening about how with
trauma, oftentimes things don'tget named and they don't get the
attention that they need in themoment.
And so we kind of conditionourselves.
Unknowingly to not acknowledgeand not give the attention or

(56:02):
even know how to name sometimeswhat is coming up for us because
we've been so conditioned by,you name it, our parents, our,
schooling, our education, oursociety to not allow the space
and the attention for thosefeelings that are uncomfortable.
They're uncomfortable feelings.

(56:22):
And I think to what you'resaying, Krista, too, so much
clarity around what we need inthose moments comes directly
from being able to name thefeeling and so I feel like there
are so many of us just likewandering around the world not
knowing what we need and bumpinginto other people who don't know
what they need, and what chaosthat could cause and also what

(56:46):
deep connection and healing cancome from being able to name
those things and name what weneed.

Krista (56:53):
Ree as a practitioner.
How did these sessions feel foryou?
What are you experiencing?

Tri (56:59):
I'm a strong resonator of other people.
A lot of people call thatempathic.
So I tend to lean.
heavily on my inner emotions ofwhat's coming up in my own
system in relationship toanother perSon.
sometimes I have to dial it downa little bit because I can feel
like I'm really with the personAnd I do need to remind myself
to pull back a little bit if I'mfeeling like I'm in it too much,

(57:23):
because it is helpful for me tobe able to pull back at times to
be able to hold the containerand to hold space.
For myself, a lot of times I'mfeeling a lot in my own body.
I tend to process things veryviscerally and a lot of times I
don't even have words for whatI'm feeling.
I just, I feel it and I feellike I'm there with them and
maybe because I've taken part inso many Constellations and also

(57:47):
so many sessions with peopleI've really developed that skill
in a way.
I feel like it's always beenthere, Cassie, you were talking
earlier about these breadcrumbsand I do feel like that, that
there's these breadcrumbs ofeven spirituality when I was
younger, I was so fascinatedwith all these different types
of spirituality, even though Iwas raised Lutheran which is

(58:08):
like a very pragmatic religion.
And it's the same with thisresonating.
I feel like I've always had it,but I just have a different
relationship to it.
And in the sessions, it isalmost been empowering for me as
a practitioner to learn how tobe able to resonate with
somebody in a way that feelssupportive for me and for the

(58:29):
person and not like somethingthat I'm constantly overwhelmed
by.

Krista (58:34):
Of course, and I'm sure it took a little bit of time to
fashion that or regulate that.

Tri (58:41):
Yes, I definitely feel like that is my daily practice, and
it's taken a long time to get tothe point where I can be
comfortable even naming.
Like in the session with Cassieat the beginning, when she was
naming, oh, I don't really knowwhat's mine or what's other
people's.
Like in that moment, I wasfeeling that with her.

(59:02):
I was like, yeah, I don't, Ican't tell I'm nervous, but I
can't tell if it's I'm nervousor if it's Cassie's nervousness.
And I don't know.
And so one thing that's helpedme as a practitioner is just to
name it and say it like, Oh, I'mfeeling that too, you know,
because people like we're humanbeings and it's okay to be a
human being.
Is it?

Krista (59:21):
Yay.
Finally.
So I would, speaking of, dailypractices, I would love to hear
from both of you.
What are your self care orspiritual practices?
How do you balance your energyand what kinds of things knock
you out of alignment?
And who would like to go first?

Cassie (59:39):
I'm happy to go.
I think one of the mostimportant self care practices
that I've really developed overthe past few years just making
sure that I always have timeallocated on my calendar each
week to just spend time aloneand just be in my own energy and
honestly, not have any structureto that time, just allow that

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time to be whatever comes up.
don't know that it's meditationnecessarily, but just allowing
myself to connect with.
the spirit realm and you knowthat world and just allow
whatever communication ormessages or even silence,
whatever it is allow that tocome through.
I try to do that at least a fewtimes a week.

Krista (01:00:25):
Maybe a listening practice.

Cassie (01:00:27):
Yeah.
That's a good way of putting it.
It's like a muscle that I'mcontinuing to build because,
it's easy for the intellect tojump into that or like judgment
to come in and say, Oh, I'm nothearing anything, or is this
message clear?
Am I getting this right?
So even just the practice ofdoing it and not having judgment
and allowing that process tounfold as it does

Krista (01:00:49):
will you now add naming what is to your listening
practice?

Cassie (01:00:53):
Yeah, definitely.

Krista (01:00:55):
Tree what are your self care practices?

Tri (01:00:57):
Yeah, I agree with Cassie.
Having alone time and nonstructured time is super
important for me.
There's something really amazingabout not having any scheduled
meetings in a day.
That in itself just opens up myenergy because I wake up and I'm
like, I have nothing that I'msupposed to be doing today.
It's so good.
I really love that.

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And even if I end up doingsomething being able to work on
whatever I want to do is reallyimportant to me.
I think those are like thebiggest things being able to
have access to control over mytime and control over what I
want to do.
And then more functionally, Iwould say going to the Korean
spa and then getting sessions isalso very important.

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What kind of sessions?
I, it's like we were talkingabout earlier.
It depends on what I feel I needin the moment.
Sometimes I, I do just want toreceive like a regular body work
session.
And sometimes I want energywork.
I see a practitioner once amonth to do like really focused
work.
Manual therapy.
And then the other times I justfeel into what I'm looking for.

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And sometimes it's, I need to doan ID session.

Krista (01:02:04):
So

Tri (01:02:04):
I'll hop onto a workshop and get a session because I'll
feel like a little triggerbubbling up that I need to
release or support.
So beautiful.

Krista (01:02:13):
And theTriat.
Tell us why clients usually cometo you.
What are they looking for?

Tri (01:02:20):
I will say a lot of times people will come to me for
craniosacral, but then it endsup being that they have other
things going on.
And so because we can exploreprocess in so many different
ways.
It really does become anexploration of like, where is
this coming from?
Where is this?
Is this emotional?

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Is this physical?
Is it a combination of both?
Because usually when there'schronic emotional stress,
there's also a way that it showsup in our bodies.
I do find that I find a littlebit of myself and a lot of the
clients and the things that theycome for.
And so it's been really cool tosee that in the field, to see
that relational field and haveit show up.

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But I don't know if you've seenthat in your practice as well.

Krista (01:03:05):
Absolutely.
To the point where I was like,am I making this up or is it
this well designed?
But certainly people withemotional pain, physical pain
perhaps Yeah things of thatnature.

Tri (01:03:20):
I would say people come to me who have either acute
injuries.
Like they broke something orthey had a surgery, or people
who've had an injury for a whileand they can't figure out where
it came from.
Some people do come to me forsomatic trauma work.
What I love about my practice isthat it's very diverse and so we
can really explore a lot ofthings.

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Some people come in and they'relike, I want to work on my
developmental trauma and that'scool.
And then other people come inand they might have, complicated
chronic pain issues.
So again, like all the thingsthat I've focused on in my life
is I think what gets attractedto me.
Beautiful.

Krista (01:03:59):
Tri, tell us.
Why you do the work you do.
Tell us what it means to you.
What does it give to you?

Tri (01:04:07):
I really want to support people to be able to connect to
themselves and their lives.
I know how much of a strugglelife can be just to be yourself.
Cause for myself, I have feltthat My whole life up until
recently, I felt very challengedby life.
I felt like it was hard for meto show up.
It was hard for me to talk infront of other people.

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I felt like there was somethingwrong with me all the time.
And I've struggled with physicalpain.
I've struggled with emotionalpain.
And so I just,, I just want tohelp people to be able to feel
comfortable in their bodies.
I just want to share thatthere's possibilities.
I just want to be able to sharewith other people that there is

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hope.
Yes, it takes a lot of work.
And constant practice and I loveconnecting with other people in
their journeys around it.
It's so gratifying.
And I just feel honored to beable to support people that way.
I can't say how touching it isto be able to connect with
people in a healing way and anintentional and purposeful way.

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There's something really specialabout being able to connect one
on one in this very vulnerableand open and I will say sacred
way.

Krista (01:05:20):
You're so incredibly gifted.
There's such a beauty and agrace and a peace about you that
really arrests.
Us in the human in the doing andthe achieving and the conquering
and all of that I feel like youwake up something else in us At

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least for myself and Cassiementioned the same so
Incredible.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
I have just a quick question.
So the craniosacral I'mimagining is done in person, but
the Constellations work andperhaps some of your other
modalities can be done via zoom.
Am I right in that?
I can also do distancecraniosacral.

Tri (01:06:03):
Wow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I, I would say, there'ssomething about touch in my
opinion that just feels reallygood to have someone just touch
you and to feel the touch.
And so that is missing in thedistance craniosacral.
Sometimes I might have theperson touched a part of their
system so that they can feel it.
And then I might tune in withtheir bodies that way.
But everything I do can be doneonline or in person, obviously

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without the some of the things.
That I can do in person.
The current website that I havefor my office is
craniosacralhealingarts.
com And I have an office here inPasadena and I also do online
sessions.
I'm also starting a new blog.
It's Taking a very long time,but I'm very happy with the

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process of creation and it'sgoing to be a digital garden and
blog.
And it's going to be called theknown self dot space.
So that's my Instagram rightnow.
And I also am doing ID sessions.
I have The trauma groups wherewe're doing ID sessions and I
think that they're also veryspecial.
They're queer inclusive, whichis a very strong value of mine

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to be able to create moreinclusive spaces.
And they're small but we taketurns doing ID sessions with
each other.
And I like the container of itbecause we get to go on a little
journey, like eight to 10 weekslong

Krista (01:07:23):
that's wonderful.
And so all that information canbe found on your website,

Tri (01:07:28):
If I can also just plug one more thing.
I am a teacher instructor at theschool of integrative
psychostructural body work, andI am a craniosacral and polarity
teacher there.
So I teach craniosacral andpolarity classes, and I have a
communications to class comingup, which is all about.
Acknowledging and naming andworking with boundaries is a lot

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of the stuff that we are talkedabout today.

Krista (01:07:53):
Thank you so much.
Both of you for sharingyourselves with us in this way.

Tri (01:07:57):
I didn't really get to say thank you, but I just want to
say thank you so much to Cassieand to you, Krista and to you,
Elle.
This has been such a beautifulprocess just to be able to
connect over a session likethis.
It's such a unique experience.

Krista (01:08:11):
Oh, yay.

El (01:08:12):
Thank you both so much for being a part of this.

Cassie (01:08:15):
Thank you for creating the space for it.

Krista (01:08:18):
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