British Columbia Elk Hunt With Josh Mckenzie

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
What's going on, buddy?
Hey, where are you?
I'll get back on.
We got a big, big hunt to talkabout.
It's been a while now.
You've had lots of time toprocess and work through it.
Yeah yeah, but we got a, youknow.
On a lighter note, we got akiller room for tech.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Oh yeah, I think the Airbnb road is definitely the
way to go.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, we are in the lap of luxury there, like right
on site.
Yeah, like two second walk fromall the vendors and all that
stuff.
We're going to have a good time.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, we're definitely stumbling distance,
which is good as long as we gettickets, josh.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Well, that's the.
That's the worrying part, man.
It's like we got to find.
We got to make sure we get atleast five tickets.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah.
So yeah, it's quite the process, like I remember last year I
was, I would say there is it.
Last year I don't know if itwas the year before I was
thinking about going, but thencouldn't.
And then last year I was like,okay, I'm definitely going to do
it.
And then I remember they wenton sale I think it was the

(01:25):
Michigan one I was going to tryand go to, yeah, and I didn't
have the.
I wasn't aware that.
You know, you need to be likesitting at the computer,
refreshing your screen, like theday of, otherwise you know
you're not getting any andthat's they sold out.
And I was.
I went to the website like thenext day or something.

(01:46):
I'm like, oh yeah, I got tograb tickets to attack and I'm
like, whoop yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Okay, maybe next year .
Same thing happened to us.
We were like.
We were like okay, well, itopens today.
Like when I get home from worktoday, I'll I'll jump on and
grab tickets.
That's like that was the planlast year.
And same thing that happened toyou.
We were like oh, I guess, Iguess we're not going to attack
this year at all.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
So hopefully we, but I think the way that we were
talking about doing it is thebest.
I mean, it just does put a lotof pressure on one person, but
having one guy go in, throweverybody's info in, you know,
sort it out, get it, get it itall secured, and then we all
just yeah, send money orwhatever.
Yeah, it's like money too butyeah, it's, because then if

(02:32):
you're trying to pair it up witheverybody logging in at the
same time, then somebody doesn'tget in or they lose their
internet signal or something.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Like, yeah, that's going to.
That would be a nightmare.
You know we're going to havewe're going to have a couple
guys logged in.
We're probably going to be on avideo chat so that, like
whoever's like, if I'm 600 inthe queue and Gary's 150 in the
queue, then you know, at leastwe're, we've got multiple guys
in the stream, it's like okay,and then if, as long as we're

(03:01):
all on video like this, we canbe like okay, I've got
everything done, I'm clicking byand then everybody else can
pause for a sec.
So that's the plan.
The more hands we haveavailable to do that on the day
of will be the best, or that'llbe the best option for us, I
think.
And then hopefully, it allworks out, man, and we're going
to tack and we're not just goingto spectators, cause that would

(03:24):
be terrible.
Don't worry, it'll work out.
It'll work out.
Yeah, I'm confident that itwill, cause we've got a plan
this year, whereas last yearnone of us had any plan, josh,
we were just like oh, we'll justgo buy tickets.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, we're just kind of flying by the seat of our
pants kind of thing.
Very much so.
Yeah, very much so.
But that's good, I have to makethe decision.
Yeah, that's exciting.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Now whether I'm going to take that bow tech with me
to tack or if I'm going to shootmy PSE attack.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, I was just going to ask you have you had it
out yet?

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Uh, I just built it today.
I filmed the build today, soI'm I'm heading to the shop,
probably tomorrow, uh, to papertune and all that stuff, uh,
just cause I don't have the roomhere, yeah, and then hopefully
we'll get all sighted in andeverything will be good to go
and we'll be shooting a 60 poundbow instead of 70, which I'm
sure will be nicer to pull.

(04:15):
Definitely, definitely, yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Like, especially like , repetitively, and all that
stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
You're shooting 70, right.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Uh, I'm looking to go up to 75 with that elite ethos
and trying to get the 75 poundlens because I'm finding, like,
as as he thinks, as these thingscome out.
Like, like with the prime Ihave it's a 70, the Hoyt I had
before that was a 65.

(04:45):
And I found the 2019 Hoyt helooks I had is was harder to
pull back than the 70 pound.
You know it seems like everyyear there are every few years
is getting.
Although the weight's bumpingup, they're getting easier and
easier to to draw back.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Weirdly right, yeah, I don't know which you know,
when I think about it, itdoesn't make any sense to me,
because if it takes 70 pounds topull it, it takes 70 pounds to
pull it.
So I guess how it feelsthroughout the stack of that 70
pounds, I guess makes thedifference and like whether or
not you like it up front or youlike it the stack as it comes

(05:22):
back or whatever.
It is right yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I was noticing that when we were at shooter's choice
there and I was trying thatolder elite and vision and I was
drawing it back and I was likeit's funny how all the cams kind
of look somewhat similar.
I know PSC's looks a little bitdifferent shape, but for the
most part a lot of them arepretty close Pretty much, but
yet they all, they all actdifferently when you're drawing

(05:45):
back, Like weird, right, youknow, the Hoyt had a big dump
Like I don't I don't think thenewer ones do, but the one that
I had you came back and then allof a sudden it was like you
were going downhill, Like itdumped into the back wall.
Right Right had like a hugefall off.
Yeah, and then the prime waslike stiff at the no it's, it

(06:10):
stacks where it's.
It's easy at first, and then,as you're getting farther and
farther back, it gets harder andharder.
And then all of a sudden you'rethere Like there's no dumping
whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, Not that big roll over right.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Right.
And then I found with the eliteit was harder at first and then
got easier and then all of asudden you were there Like
there's no dump either.
So it's kind of interesting howthey're all slightly different
and then, as you, I guess,depends on what matters to you

(06:43):
the most when you're buying anew one.
But I think, as you, the moreand more you shoot it, you get
used to whatever the cycle is,and that's just how it is Right.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
For sure.
Yeah, like I know a lot of guyslike everybody, like, if you
watch enough YouTube videos,everybody will say, oh well,
this draw cycles the best andthis draw cycles best with.
Well, man, it really depends onthe fellow.
For starters, like, I prefer abow.
That's a little tough, just getgoing.
But once you break it, it kindof like smooths into the back

(07:13):
wall, right?
Whereas some guys like it tolike break easy and then stack,
stack, stack till it gets to theback wall.
I mean it's and, like you say,you'll get used to it, no matter
what.
It is like you shoot it ahundred arrows through it and
then go back to your old bow.
You go, oh, this one feelsdifferent now because now you're

(07:34):
, you're conditioned to that newdraw cycle, right?
So Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
It's interesting.
Yeah, I don't know.
They sprinkle magic on themwhen they make them.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
I think they do like little elves, sprinkling magic
on them.
Right, I think uh points got agood bow this year.
They got a pretty smooth cam.
Uh, matthews was the one Ididn't care for that much it was
I found very aggressive yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
You're saying it was.
It was harder than the phasefour.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, a hundred percent.
Um, and then the PSEs.
Obviously, those cams are allstill the same the evolve, the
evolve cam, the EC two orwhatever, right, um but the new
bow tech cams are sweet and thenew elite cams are awesome too
yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
PSE didn't make any changes right to their cams.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
No, no, they're all the same cam, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, you get the moreaggressive, like S two and E two
cam or whatever.
Um, they're the ones that arelike Dudley, likes the more
oblonged.
They look like an egg.
Yeah, they're not so roundExactly, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
So, but it's all what you like, go shoot some bows
and figure it out, yeah,eventually.
Yeah, I think an elite is goingto look good on you.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, it's, yeah, it's funny.
Like I never, like we talkedabout this before I never, ever,
thought that I'd ever shoot one, like when I I just got the new
bow hunter magazine and Ithought, oh, this is going to be
funny.
And I flipped it open and onthe back of the cover is
Matthews, as they always are,and on the very back is Hoyt,

(09:08):
and it's like nobody else is inthere.
You know what I mean?
It's like you're subconsciouslygetting messages and then you
watch YouTube videos and whenthe marketing comes out, it's
like Matthews always has all oftheir shooters, all their videos
are done the day that theylaunch, right, and it's like bam
, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam bam.

(09:29):
Everybody's coming out withstuff.
So when I originally went intothe store to buy one, it was one
or the other.
So the first thing the guy saidto me was like, oh, I got the
new elites here and I'm like Idon't even know what that is.
And I feel terrible to say thatbecause now that I've you know,
I know a lot more about themthan I did the first day I
walked in.

(09:49):
But looking at all thecompanies, like that's the one
I'm kind of gravitating to nowthat I want to try shooting, so
it's just funny how things workout.
But yeah, I'm happy to get you.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Well, we get a lot of gripe on the full draw podcast
and like why we don't talk aboutelite enough and stuff like
that, and it's like, well, man,in all honesty, elite just
doesn't get their stuff in frontof you like the other companies
do.
It's not to say that they're abad bow, they're great.
I've shot them, they'refantastic, they're just as good
as any other bow.
It's just they don't.
Whatever it is, they don't putit in front of you.

(10:24):
I think Matthews is the onlyprivately owned company left
right.
I think everybody else ispublicly traded now PSE, I think
so.
I think Evolve is as well, or,sorry, elite is as well, because
they're part of whateverarchery group.
What do they belong to?

Speaker 2 (10:42):
again, because they own an outdoor group, Outdoor
group right and then the outdoorgroup.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, bowtech is the same way with peer archery
they're all publicly traded,whereas Matt McPherson, I
believe, he's the owner of.
Matthews, so he's the boss.
There's no board or directorsfor him to answer to.
So if he wants to dump all themoney into marketing, Guess what
he's the boss, Whatever he saysgoes, Whereas everybody else

(11:05):
you got a tiptoe right, and Ithink that's why that might be a
hindrance to the archery worldIs corporations coming in and
going.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Oh for sure.
Just going back, I think elitewas a lot more popular in the
target world, if I'm thinkingright, and I don't think I was
super hot on the look of therisers until last year when the
Omnia came out.
Oh, that's so easy Okay yeah,now that I saw the ethos, I was

(11:39):
like, oh yeah, see, this iswhat's going to happen.
I got to get one of those.
But yeah, with these biggercompanies, I'm fine Even now
with what I'm doing, with thesereview videos and stuff, and I'm
talking to some companies hereand there like I'm not partnered
with anybody but I'm.
You know, I talked to somemarketing people in the business

(12:01):
and it's funny how there's,more often than not, a larger
conglomerate company is owningall these other smaller ones.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Oh yeah, you don't figure it out until you start
digging.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, like I was looking at because I shoot
lighted knocks, the nocturnalones, so I know that they came
up with some newer stuff when Iwas trying to reach out to their
guy.
But they're owned by Faradayand Hotoris, who owns about 30
other companies.
They've got like ragebroadheads and, like you know,

(12:40):
like different target I thinkthey have block targets.
They've got like it's it'scrazy, the amount of carbon
express arrows you know.
All these different, differentones under are all under the
same umbrella, right.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Oh, it's not.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, it really is.
But it's going that way withlike same with music companies
too, like when you knowdifferent.
Gone of the days when there'sso many different record
companies.
There's really two or three inthere.
All they own all the othersmaller ones, right?

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
The way the business goes.
But yeah, I think you're right.
I think Matthews is one of theonly ones left, that's not.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
I'm pretty sure they're the only holdout that's
still privately owned, which Imean may or may not be a good
thing, I don't know, but it'scertainly.
I know like I work for a family, like our family company, and
we're privately owned likenobody you know.
So my uncle is the end all beall of the boss.
So that means for us we havethe ability to pivot, like so,

(13:44):
for example, if we own somerestaurants and some and some
cannabis stores and stuff likethat, if somebody has better
pricing than us or whatever, wehave the ability to pick up the
phone, let him know.
He makes the decision rightthere on the phone and we change
whatever it is.
We don't need a board ofdirectors to talk to.
We just one phone call, fiveminutes, we've got the decision

(14:05):
made and it's done.
Yeah, there's something to besaid for that.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Oh yeah it's not.
Like you know, it has to gothrough a panel of people and
then they have to have a, createa smaller group to research the
decision whether they should,and then it takes nine months
for them to say, okay, yeah, goahead.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah, go ahead, and by that time the ship has sailed
, everything is passed, and itdoesn't matter anyway at that
point, Right I?
Mean yeah, it is what it is,but I'm sure Matthews will
remain a privately owned company.
I have a funny feel.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, and it kind of makes me wonder, like, what are
the?
What is their marketing budget?
I always wonder that, like yousee, all these people that
they've got you know between,like Levi Morgan, they must pay
him a small fortune right AtKrispy they've got to pay him
and Krispy.
Same right, obviously, I thinkLevi is getting more than
everybody, but oh, probably,yeah.

(15:00):
What does that mean?
What does that look like?
I'm just curious.
I don't.
I'm not trying to be nosy, Ijust always, always made me
wonder.
Like when a company has thatclearly, they got the marketing
game down pat, yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
What does that look like?

Speaker 2 (15:15):
on paper.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
I'm very curious on what guys like that are paying,
like Levi, like what are theypaying him?
What is PSC or the Outdoor orHeritage Group pay?
Pay Dudley, because he's on aas a consultant too.
He basically helps build, likedesign the bows, which is I
don't think I don't think Leviis that involved in the building
of the bows or anything.
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
No, I don't think so.
I think he's like the face ofit right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
But I mean Dudley has like a full-on hand in how
things get developed and R&D andall that stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
So yeah, he's got his fingers in lots of different
things, which is, but who better?

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Way to go.
Who better to go to and be like, hey man like what would you
like to?
See in a bow, like he'd be likecome here, let me show you,
I'll tell you all about it, youknow what I mean.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
How can you see this?
You can, are you?
It makes you wonder.
It makes you wonder, though,when you see guys like that,
like who's going to be the nextDudley right?

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah, I assume it's Chris B right.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
I would think so.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
He's so good, he's a great archer.
He's got hunts under his beltthat fellas three times his age
have never touched yet.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Like it's that's insane.
But speaking of hunts that mostfellas don't get to go on
Exactly, yeah, it's pretty goodpivot.

(16:40):
I'm pretty smooth at that stuff.
You know what I mean you are.
Yeah, I can swing that stuffpretty quick.
How was it, man, give us, giveme the, the, the like.
You know what was it likeflying in the whole build up to
it and then, once you got inthere, like so this is something

(17:02):
I've wanted to do ever since Ithought about taking up hunting,
especially with a bow.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Elk has always been, you know, as with many people,
the top right.
I mean, I think WoodlandCaribou has now topped it for me
, but Elk is right there at thetop, and this is never something
that would have happened atthis stage of my life if it was
happening the way that you knowit normally does.

(17:30):
This was special circumstanceswith family and that came
together and and made it workout, so that I'm forever
grateful, for I think I think Ineed to live in BC.
When I got off the plane andyou see the mountains, like for

(17:53):
the first time with your owneyes and it's like I've heard of
these.
But look at them, they're rightthere, right, and then, and
then you get out there and it'slike just like even the area
where we were camping, where weset up camp, it was like on the,
we had a lookout to the waterand the mountains and I was just

(18:15):
like this is like a painting,like everywhere you look, just
looks.
You just want to go with acamera and just take pictures or
video or whatever.
Yeah, like it's justoutstanding.
So I guess I should go, I don'tknow.
You want me to recap a littlebit of how this all took place.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah.
So I guess five or six years ago, when a family reunion, my

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wife's cousin came over with hisfamily from BC they're
originally from, he's originallyfrom Ontario, but he moved out
there years ago to start his ownbusiness.
And so while he was here, we'retalking on the deck, talking
hunting and stuff, and I hadjust gotten into bow hunting at
that point and was talking about, oh, you know hell of cuttings

(19:01):
right up there for me, and thisis something that I really want
to try and figure out one time.
And he's like, oh, I know oneof the outfitters he had a
Daniel had a hauling truck,hauling company, so he would
haul wood and supplies and allkinds of other things way up
north.
Yeah, so he ended up meetingone of these outfitters and did
some work for him and stuff.

(19:23):
And he's like, oh, yeah, Iguess we'll.
You know, I'm sure we canfigure something out.
And I'm like, well, yeah, timeout, right, like that's a,
that's a $10,000 thing, likethat's expensive.
And he's and he's like, yeah,but yeah, I don't know, we'll
figure something out.
So then they leave familyreunions.
Over a few years go by and mywife and I are out shopping,

(19:44):
christmas shopping, and she sayswe pull in the parking lot and
she's like I have to tell yousomething, I have to tell you
what your Christmas present is,because you're going to have to
change your holidays.
So you're going El Conte in BCwith Daniel and I was like don't
do that, like don't you, don'tjoke about that.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
It's not funny, right ?
It's not funny yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
It's not funny, it's Christmas time, you know, don't,
don't do that.
Don't like no.
She's like no, like I'm serious, like that's how I said no,
it's not, you can't, because youknow he's he's not a hunter for
one and he's not like a guideand you need to be guided or you
need to be sponsored by ahunter and he's neither of those

(20:30):
things.
So, yeah, if I'm, if I'm doingthis, I need to do it the right
way.
I don't want to like, you know,half ass, I want to kind of any
corners right.
So she's like no, he is ahunter, he has his hunting
license and he's got his guy'slicense and he's working for the
guy that he was talking aboutat the reunion.

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Oh, so, yes, you're getting ona plane and you're flying to BC
and you're going hunting withhim, and it was just like the
wheels just started turningright.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Like, yeah, oh my God Were you like oh shit, I have
so much to do now.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what it was, and I have
so much to buy because I don'thave a good backpack, I don't
have a good pair of boots, Idon't have, you know, freeze
dried food, I don't have this,that I'd like to get a better
rangefinder.
But no, I got us like settledown, you have to buy other

(21:29):
things that you don't have yet.
Yeah, so I think later that day, when we got home, I sent a
text message to Daniel and he'slike call me.
So I called him and he's likeis this like, what do I need to
do from here Right In Ontario tomake this like 100% a reality?
And he's like well, you get ona plane and then you get on

(21:54):
another plane and then you geton a boat and then we hike a lot
.
And I was like, okay, but like,really, like, what do I need to
do?
So there's a whole process ofsetting up a WFID number through
the BC hunting pages.
You send them basically copiesof your, your hunting license

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and all of your information andthey verify all that.
And then, if you're gettingsponsored by a hunter, there's
paperwork for that.
If you're going through anoutfitter, the outfitter fills
out their side of it.
So you're either getting a tagwith the application to get
approved to be sponsored withyour sponsor, or you're going

(22:37):
through the outfitter andthey're getting your thing, so
that all worked out.
And then it came to okay.
Now, originally it was going tobe I'm going to fly out there
and it's going to be a solo tripwith me.
And as things went on, we havefamily members that fly a lot
for work and, like mysister-in-law, she's a she's in

(22:59):
a folk band called the GoodLovelies.
They travel all over the worldand she's talked countless times
about losing bags, you know,luggage showing up two weeks
later and I'm like, don't putthat in the universe.
Completely sideline everythingthat I'm trying to do and it

(23:19):
kept weighing on me.
And, like I'm not flying AirCanada and I know Air Canada had
a lot of problems but I wasstill worried what if my bow
doesn't make it?
What if you know this side andthe other side?

Speaker 1 (23:31):
What a worry that is to have.
Right Like you're, like my bowdoesn't make it Like what the
now, what do I do?
Right?

Speaker 2 (23:38):
So also this just popped in my head when I said
that elite has a program where,if you, if you have an issue
with your bow and you're on ahunt, you call one of their
customer service numbers andthey will get one to you in 24
and a replacement to you in 24hours.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Bro, that's listen, that is a service worth its
weight in gold.
If you're a guy who frequentslike back country hunts like you
did, man, imagine howinvaluable that would be.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Crazy.
I remember reading that and Iwas like that's, wow, hopefully
nobody ever has to do that.
But wow, yeah, no kidding.
So that kept weighing on me andthen, as it got closer to, my
wife was like, well, why don'twe make it like a like a family
trip, cause I always wanted toat least drive there or back,

(24:29):
like go across the country,right?
So she said, well, why don't we?
Why don't we do it where her,um, our daughter and her will
drive out there with the truck,with all of our stuff and
everything.
They'll have their own littlemini road trip adventure out to
BC.
Oh, that's a good idea.
They'll get there ahead of us,cause my son and I were going to

(24:52):
fly out, but I had to work upuntil a certain point.
So we would fly out, they'dpick us up and they would have
already been there for a coupleof days, and then they will fly
home, we'll go hunting and thenwe'll drive back.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Oh that's a beauty idea.
It's definitely not the cheaperway to do it?

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Oh, definitely not.
If you're looking at it but,wow, like, what an experience
that was like for everybodyright.
Because that's, those arememories made that you know will
last forever.
So that's what we did, and soit was weird like going to the
airport with no bag.
That's straight, that'sstraight.
Yeah, I got nothing.

(25:34):
I brought a cooler.
I had a cooler I wanted tobring, so I checked it as a bag,
but yeah, so we flew in toabout a five hour flight,
toronto to Vancouver, and thenyou, we had a layover for about
45 minutes and then we got on asmaller plane which took us to

(25:55):
Prince George, which wasliterally like hour and a half.
Like plane goes up in the airand then you're making your
descent, you know, coming backdown, but if you were to drive
it, it would be about 17 hours,right.
So we land in and we meet themat the airport and then we drive

(26:15):
a couple hours to Daniel'shouse and he's got like his
whole garage, just goteverything in it that we're
going to be taking.
So we unload all of our stuffand he kept saying we need to
find, we need to go out and geta couple more spare tires.
I was like more spare tires.
I'm like how many do you have?

(26:36):
He goes, well, I've got two,but we should really have like
three.
I was like really, yeah, like,because the road that you're
going on from the minute youleave his house, the road north
to where we were going was abouta full day's drive and it's
treacherous, like it's not paved, it's, it's rocky, it's, it's

(27:00):
it's like, yeah, it's nasty.
So he's like I've been strandedon it for hours before and
there's no cell phone servicefrom the minute you get on the
road.
So so we had I had a Zoliosatellite communicator so I
could text and stuff and he hada Garmin in reach so we could

(27:23):
still send messages out if weneeded to.
But while we were going, likeit's one of those roads that
I've never experienced it's alogging road, so huge trucks are
barreling down in the middle ofthe road with like triple
stacked wood oh my God Right.
And you have to call out onyour CB radio that's in your

(27:45):
truck there's signs that markwhat kilometer you're at and you
have to call out pick up trucknorth, we're at 58 kilometer, or
whatever, so that they knowthere's truck coming up.
I should probably move over.
Yeah, a couple of times where wealmost you probably have them
in any newfoundland at all.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, a lot of the woods roads.
We hunt for moose that you gotto call your.
There's a sign that says callyour kilometers because you can
come around a corner and ooh,not good.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah, we had two times before.
We almost got completely smokedby trucks.
Risky right, yeah, so we do thefull days drive up there.
We ended up going into FinleyRiver outfitters, where Daniel
does his guiding from.
We picked up a boat like a justlike a tin boat, continued up

(28:38):
the way to where we were goingto camp and the idea was we were
going to cross this body ofwater to the base of a mountain
and camp there and then hike upthe mountain from there and be
able to like basically spike outif we needed to, we could stay,
like if we found elk up themountain, we'd probably stay out

(29:00):
there instead of coming back tothe base camp kind of thing.
Right, we wanted to be flexiblethat way.
So we get up there every spotto launch a boat.
There was so much the waterlevel had dropped so much, oh
shit, Through the drought andthe fires and everything, you
couldn't get a trailer down,Like the drop off was so high it

(29:23):
was.
You would have had to probablyroll it on logs or something
just to get it down to the water.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Oh, that low way.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, it was really low and he's like shit, I've
never seen it like this before.
It was crazy.
So we thought, okay, we'll parkthe boat.
We got plenty of area where weare and we'll just we'll stick
to that.
So we set up camp and as we'resetting up the tents, like a
black bear walks into the camp.

(29:54):
There's so many there too.
It's ridiculous.
The grizzly and black bearnumbers are through the roof.
I've been hunting black bearsfirst like six years and I saw
more in 18 hours, like my firstday there, than I've ever seen
here.
And that crazy Overbeat likeever.

(30:15):
That's so crazy.
But they're like raccoons there, Like they're in garbage bins.
They're on your roof.
They're trying to get into yourgarage.
They're eating on your frontlawn.
Like the parents don't lettheir kids outside to play, Like
you have to go out and look andgo out with them.
You can't just say I'm going toJohnny's house down the road,

(30:36):
Right, Like it's you got checkfor bears.
You got check for bears.
You got check for bears.
Yeah, like the night before weleft one of Daniel's friends,
boomer.
He was coming with us becausehe's done a lot of I'll call him
too so he was tagging along.
So it was the four of us my sonLogan, danny and Boomer.

(30:57):
And so we're talking in thegarage before we get ready to go
the night before and he's likeokay, I'm going to go home.
And he literally lived likearound the corner, like he was
you turn left, you go to the endof the road, you turn right,
and then at the end of that roadis his house.
Yeah, and Daniel's like, don'tgo, get in the truck, we'll
drive you home.
He's like, ah, fuck.
He's like, get in the truck,we'll drive you home.

(31:18):
And we turned down the road andthere was a bear sitting at the
end of his road, like justsitting on someone's lawn next
to their mailbox.
I'm like this is insane.
And then we went out to get oneof the spare tires.
There was another one walkingaround trying to get into a
garbage bin and they're all likeshooters, like they're all big
bears, yeah, big bears.
Like he would play, like if wewere in, if I had a tag, I'd

(31:42):
shoot that bear right there.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah, you'd be more than happy to take that bear
right.
You'd be like yes.
You'd be like great.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
And I remember it was funny because when I was
talking to the lady who was whenI was getting the tag, she's
like sure, you just want an elktag, Like you don't want
anything else.
I'm like, listen, I have aselect section of time.
Yeah, I need to devote everyminute to trying to get an elk
focused.
Focused, Like, because if I geta bear tag and I shoot a bear,

(32:12):
then we got to deal with thebear and that's time taken away
from elk hunting.
That was my.
Yeah, she's like we got wolveshere.
Like you know what wolf tag I'mlike.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
I'd love to have a pocket of all of them.
Right, but I need to focus here.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
It'd be okay if you had a couple buddies with you,
Like if Next time, hopefullymaybe, like if we could go with
you or something like that youcould take that tag and then if
you shot a bear, you could justkeep hunting and we'd process
the bear.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
I mean like if you had a buddy there that could do
that, you'd be laughing.
So we set up camp, we shoot thebear away.
It comes back a couple moretimes, but they were just
curious, right?
Yeah, it wasn't anything toocrazy.

(33:04):
So we set up camp, I checkedthe bow, everything was fine.
It made the trip okay, and thenwe basically had dinner and
talked for a bit and then wentto bed and got up.
We basically stayed hikingaround the base of the mountain
that we were camped at at thebeginning and we're coming

(33:26):
around one of the corners andthere's buffalo or sorry, not
buffalo.
There's bison wild bison likejust roaming around and it's
just like a nature show Likethis is incredible, holy cow.
But we actually saw them on theway in, when we were driving
into where we were going to camp.

(33:46):
We came across the herd and Iwas like whoa and we stopped and
Danny was like you see that bigone that's staring at us.
Don't look at him for too longbecause they'll ram your truck.
They don't care, because theyview it as a challenge right.
Because there's little onesthere.
We ran into them later on inthe week and they huddled up

(34:07):
thinking that we were going tocome after them.
Right, and that was.
We'll get to that.
So they just roam.
That's so crazy.
They just go wherever they want.
No one's stopping them, no, no,so the way they go, we let some
bugles go.
And then I heard one callingback and it was up the mountain

(34:30):
bend.
I was like this is crazy.
This is day one of hunting andwe're getting a call back.
This is crazy.
So you're fired up at thispoint, fired up right, and I'm
like Logan, turn the camera onyeah.
Let's go to work.
Let's go to work.
We set out a couple more buglesand then all of a sudden I hear
yipping like coyotes, right,like a lot.

(34:55):
And Boomer turns around andhe's like they were just
mimicking your sound, the elksound.
I was like what?
I know that they do that aroundmy house.
They sound like a dog, to getthe dog to come outside, yeah,
but they're mimicking the elknow and he says, yeah, we need
to get out of here, like there'sno elk here.
Those are the coyotes, right.

(35:17):
So I was like, wow, that'ssomething.
You learn something new everyday, right, y'all for sure.
We moved on and there was a.
We knew before we got up therethat there was an area that so
up this area well, I guessNorthern BC is kind of all is

(35:38):
very there's a lot of areas thatwere forestry, came in, did
their thing and theirdecommissioned.
They've moved on now.
So a lot of the cut blocks arestill there, but they're
regrowth, like regrowth andstuff.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Oh, cause you didn't like move growth, forest and
stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, but there's some areas that are a perfect
landing strip for, like, a planeto drop off supplies, right.
So we found an area like thatand one of the pilots had told
us that he's had to do three orfour loops around this
particular stretch of patch ofland.

(36:15):
It's not, it's not an organizedlike airport, it's just a
straight strip right in betweentwo areas of woods, and he said
he's had to do three or fourcycles around it to kind of
shoot the elk off of this area.
So we're like, oh, we'll gothere.
Yeah, no, kidding, right,because there was a guy who went

(36:37):
out and shot one right off thestrip there.
You know, we also heard a storyof a guy who once the the
mountain we were trying to getto with the boat.
When they got there this islike the year before when they
got there, they got out of theboat, they let out one bugle one
of the guys bugled whilethey're unpacking the boat and

(37:00):
this six by seven comes out of,comes down out onto the beach
and they shot it on the beachand it died next to the boat.
And I was like, if thathappened that would be okay.
You want the grand adventuretoo, but yeah, like that's,
that's crazy.
So and it's not like thosevideos you watch where people

(37:24):
are in Montana and you come overlike these big, huge, vast, you
know saddles of land andthere's like 200 out grazing.
That feels not like that here,right there's, it's so thick
You're following like gametrails.
There's no organized, cut liketrails, like hiking trails.

(37:45):
You're going where the animalsare going or you're making your
own trail.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Right your bushwhacking, or you're walking
a game trail and that's it.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
There's no right, yeah, so when you're calling out
to them, you're not gettinglike you might get one or two
replies and then they'll goquiet, like they're not.
They weren't super vocal atthis particular time.
It was early September, so thatcould very well have been a
reason, but it could also be thebears right, there's so many

(38:12):
bears up there and differentpredators, they're just not very
vocal.
But so it wasn't like oh, we'rejust gonna call six or seven
times, they're gonna respond,and then they're just gonna come
in and we're just gonna shootone, like that.
Although that has happened inthe past, that wasn't the case
at this, you know, at this stageof the game.

(38:33):
So, we'd call out, we might hearone or two, or we'd call, call,
we'd get a couple chirps backand then you'd go dark right,
you wouldn't hear anything.
So there were times where wewould sit and try and draw them
out and then there were timeswhere we'd get aggressive and go
in after them.
So we kind of played differentscenarios and tried to do a

(38:56):
little bit of everything we did.
We would drive places, get out,hike around for the whole day.
So it's not like we weredriving to a couple out getting
out, getting back in, driving tothe next one getting out.
There were people we did runinto, a couple people that were
doing that, but we wouldnormally go to an area, spend a
few hours there moving aroundand then either come back or, do

(39:19):
you know, take another spot.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
But yeah, how many days do you have to get the job
done?
Like what was your window?
I had eight days, yeah, sothat's a good amount of time.
Like that's a solid number.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, it was.
It was, I mean, two weeks wouldhave been better, but eight
days was fine, right.
Like we had a couple ofopportunities, like we did run
into a guy who worked up thereand we basically came across
maybe five people in total overthose eight days.
So one guy he was a forestryguy that was up there scouting

(40:00):
looking for other spots for thecompany to come in and start
cutting.
And then there was another guythat was positioned up there to
watch over a certain section andhe was saying he's that
mountain up there, like nobody'sgoing up there.
But there's a big bull up there, I've seen it but no one, no
one's driving up there.
Like the people who werehunting that spot were driving

(40:25):
block to block to block to block, getting a bugle, trying to
draw them out, shooting them,putting them in the truck, that
sort of thing he's like, but noone's going up that mountain.
I'm like this sounds like astory.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Like is this like?
Is this legit?

Speaker 2 (40:41):
He goes no, it's legit and, like I said, how many
people have you told of this?
And he's like you're the onlyones that I've seen.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
So it's hard to go off those tips you can relieve
it right, Because you're kind oflike, you're like if he's
bullshitting, yeah if he'sbullshitting me.
That's going to suck.
But if there's a giant bull upthere like, I'll run up that
mountain if I have to.
But it's a coin toss, right.
I don't whether you're going tobuy into it or not, right?

Speaker 2 (41:10):
So we went, we packed up the camp and we drove up
part of the way parked, got outand then hiked up the rest of
the way.
And, sure enough, that's thepart of the video that I put out
where we found all that sign.
There were trees that werecompletely annihilated, just
rubbed to death, and rubbed todeath by antlers.

(41:31):
There was, you know, there was,you know.
We found poop everywhere, wefound tracks everywhere we bugle
and he bugled back but he wasway off in another spot.
So we hiked up to the top, topof this one part of the mountain

(41:52):
, and we had a really goodoverlook of the area and we
bugled again and he was stillway out there, but he'd kind of
moved a little bit more towardswhere we were initially.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah, what day?
What day is this?

Speaker 2 (42:06):
right now, this is day two, but it's the first day
of hunting.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Okay, it's first day of hunting, okay.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
So I'm like we need to camp here, Like obviously.
So we unpack everything andwe're going over what the game
plan is and then we're lookingat the map again and we were
really dangerously close to sothere was an area that we had to
stay in.
Okay, If you're being, let'ssay, sponsored, not sponsored,

(42:42):
but if you're being hosted byanother hunter, you have to
indicate the areas that you'regoing to stay in.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
So you have to give them a map.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
I'm going to be in management units.
You know five dash whatever orseven dash whatever, so you can.
You can pick like 50 of them ifyou wanted to Right.
But or if you're with anoutfitter, you have to stay
within their guide territory.
So we were dangerously close tothe border of where we couldn't
be Right and it was.

(43:12):
So we're either going to playit careful and try to get him
into the area we can be or weneed to leave Right and as hard
as it was to say I just said weneed to get out here.
Yeah, it was because I knew Ididn't want to put us into a
situation where I'm at full draw.

(43:34):
Is it far enough into where weneed it to be, is it not?
I don't want to shoot somethingthat's now.
Oh, you're that close, eh, yeah, I don't want to be shooting
one that might be over the line.
I don't want to put my futurecoming back here in jeopardy.

(43:54):
I don't want to put my familymember and guide his jeopardy,
him in jeopardy or the outfitterthat he's working for.
Like there's a number of stepshere right.
Like I didn't want to beanywhere near that as hard as it
was because of all the it wasperfect, like the setup and
everything was perfect.
It would have been.
We would have spent a couple ofdays up there and hopefully had

(44:18):
an opportunity.
But I was like I don't want torisk it.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
It was.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
It's not worth the risk, right, it wasn't worth it
for me.
I just thought there's so muchother land up here and there's
literally us and a couple otherpeople that we ran into once,
like there's plenty of room towander around.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah, it's not like you were constantly stepping on
people, no, no, no not at all.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
No, so we camped up there.
We were still fine where wewere, but it was just if we were
to move on and then get chasingafter something.
I didn't want to get stuck.
So we camped there for thenight and we go to bed and for
some reason I didn't.
Now the temperature changes,obviously as you go up the

(45:06):
mountain.
So I wasn't thinking and when Iwent to sleep I wasn't wearing.
I had sick of gear.
I had layers of sick of gear.
I wasn't wearing what I shouldhave been wearing when I went to
sleep and the temperaturedropped from 17 to I think it
was minus one overnight.
It gets cold, man, I was.

(45:28):
I think it was 1.30 in themorning.
I woke up.
I was shivering.
I was like what's going on here?
Yeah, and I look over and Logan, my 16 year old son, is bundled
all the fuck.
He's got every single layer ofclothing on, he's got a hat,
he's got gloves.
And I'm thinking how did heknow to do that?
And I didn't.
Why did?
Why did I not put that together?

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Dad's taking a lesson from the young fella.
Right, you're like man.
What's going on here?

Speaker 2 (45:52):
What's going on here?
And then I'm like I'm in mysleeping bag and I kind of had
like a not to sound like a nerd,but you know, in Star Wars,
when they have like a forcedghost moment, one of the dead
Jedi's shows up, yeah.
So John Barklow that works forSika.
I watched a few videos of himwhere he jumped in a.
He was in Alaska and in thefrigid cold he jumps in a river,

(46:15):
gets himself soaked and thengoes over like a rewarming drill
of how to get yourself Heatedback up, to build your
temperature back up, yeah, andhow the clothing works for that
and all that stuff.
So I have him over here beinglike put your shit back on.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Put your clothes back on, bro.
Yeah, I taught you this beforeyou left.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
So I get everything back on and like, bundle all up
and it was amazing, like withina few minutes I was, I was
feeling all right and I fellback to sleep.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
I lived by one rule when I back pack on out of a
tent, I go to bed with basicallyeverything on except, like,
maybe, my jacket I might notwear, and then, if I get too hot
, I'll slowly take shit off,right, because I know for sure
it's going to get cold quick.

(47:05):
Yeah, and I'm going to wake upcold.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, like it was colder obviously up there than
it was at the bottom where wewere before.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
I think what is it?
Every 20 feet you go up, itcould potentially go down one
degree in temperature.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
That's one thing I wish I will do next time is try
and figure out how high theelevation was where we were.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Yeah, because that I don't know, but that was
definitely a, and that's why youget such a temperature swing
right, like you're saying, likethe 17 degrees all the way down
to like minus one.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Yeah, that almost never happens right?

Speaker 1 (47:44):
No, Because you're so high up you're.
Yeah, Fuck, it's cold.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
So the morning.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
We Sorry People don't understand how cold like it is
to try and sleep in likenegative one, negative two.
But it's not an easy thing todo.
No, it's pretty, especially ifyou don't have like.
If you got one of those woodstoves in your tent, you're
laughing, but if you're justtrying to stay warm with your
own heat, it's fucking as hardto do, yeah, so we wake up, we

(48:12):
pack everything up and we moveback down.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
We basically went back down to the spot we were up
before because it was great.
There was nothing wrong with itwhere we were before.
And we went back to a couple ofareas but then we found one
that was relatively close to usand it was another cup block
that had been abandoned and wasregrowth and everything.
And we come in there and itlooked like a great feeding spot

(48:37):
.
So we kind of hunkered down.
They had a bunch of like bigroot systems that had come up
out of the ground and trees thathave fallen down.
So there were some spots whereyou could kind of hide yourself
Right.
So we kind of got situated andmade a couple calls.
We got a couple of answers weheard.
So we had like one off to thelike, just to the left of us

(49:01):
that was sounding off.
We had one straight ahead butfar back, and then we had
another one to the right thatwas off in the distance.
So I'm like, wow, we could havelike three coming in.
You're feeling good at thispoint, so now I'm like hey, so
here we go, and then you don'thear anything and we're like,
okay, and it was funny, because,well, it wasn't funny, but I

(49:25):
was trying to preserve batteriesfor the camera, right, like I
had four, I think I had four ofthem and I had a few power banks
to charge things in a solarpanel, but I was still trying to
, didn't have it running all thetime.
So I would like hand it toLogan and I'd be like, okay,
turn it on hit record, we'd filma bit, we bugle, we wouldn't
hear anything.
So I'd be like, okay, turn itoff.
And then he'd switch it off andthen they would reply Like it

(49:48):
wasn't like bang, bang, bang,bang.
It's not like a constantcommunication, right, it was be
delayed because the message wasbeing sent and they were really
far away.
So then we sat for a little bitand then we heard some rustling
straight ahead and Daniel's like, get ready, I think one's
coming out of the trees and it'sa black bear.
He comes barreling down.

(50:10):
He was like don't give a fuck,like pushing trees, dead trees,
over, don't care, he didn't care, like he owned that spot, right
, like he was just.
I was like, oh, and Daniel'slooking through the binoculars.
He's like that's a fucking bear.
I was just like what?

(50:31):
Oh, damn.
So okay, well, this is a goodspot anyway.
We'll come back in the morning.
So we come back in the morning.
Now it's rained overnight.
That was the only day of rain weever had, it's like day three
yeah, rained overnight we got upsuper early, hiked over there
in the dark, got in there andwe're walking and boomer was in

(50:57):
the front and he stops everybodyand he turns around and he's
like do you see them?
I was like, where is he looking?
I couldn't see him.
He's like there's a cow and acalf and they were like the last
two of the herd that were inthe cup box till feeding.
Oh shit, I was like.
Oh, I was like turn the camera.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Turn it on now.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
So he actually had it on already and we feel he got a
bit of that and we tried tozoom in on them a little bit and
then they took off running intothe area of the.
You know that we had heard themfrom the day before.
So I'm like, okay, so they're inthere, right.
So then it came to like well,did we chase them?
Did we stay here and try andget them out?

(51:41):
What's the best player here?
Right, it's like hard call,hard call, hard call.
Did we just get busted and nowthey're gone for a couple of
days, or are they?
Are these just the last twothat are trying to catch up with
everybody else?
A couple stragglers, right,right.
So we ended up.

(52:01):
We hung out there for a bit, wetried to call a bit.
They never came back.
So we went to another spot wherewe had heard some from the day
before.
Didn't find any there, and thenit started rain again.
So we went back to Finley RiverOutfitters.
We went back to the outfit.
Now, while I wasn't stayingthere, we were obviously camping

(52:22):
right in the bush, but therewere people there that were like
full package, I'm here for 14days, 10 days or whatever I'm
here for.
Like there was a guy there Ithink he was like a surgeon from
California.
He was there for a goat and anelk, that guy's got some work to
do.
Those were his two animals.
They were taking him onhorseback, they were going up

(52:43):
the mountain, like he had thefull thing.
So he he had a room there andhe had a bed there.
He was eating three meals there.
He had the whole thing.
So we went back just for lunchand it was like it was like
coming home for lunch whenyou're in like elementary school
right, like having a soup and asandwich after you've been out
slugging it in the bush.
It's like this best sandwichI've ever had in my life.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
This is the greatest thing ever that's ever happened
to me this sandwich is great.
Even though it's terriblesandwich, it's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
And no, it was good, but you know it's still feel it
probably tastes better thananything.
Anyway, so you're looking aroundthe the main room of the outfit
and there's like this huge elk,like Euro, mount on the wall
and you're just like, oh, we gotto go, let's get out of here.
There's no elk in here, we needto go out there.
So we went back out and therewere some spots that we found on

(53:38):
the map where there should havebeen water, like a wallow or
somewhere where they might begoing to get like a stream,
dried up everything.
And we're going down there andwe're like there's no water here
.
There would have.
I can see where there was, butthere's no water here now.
Just like, just getting poundedright Was like one thing after

(54:00):
the other, but it was still.
We're still having a great time.
And then we hike up back uptowards where we had walked in
and we come across the bisongroup again.
But it's like, literally, youcome up over the hill and you're
exhausted because you justwalked up this 45 degree angle
of the hill and you take yourlast step, you're out of breath

(54:23):
and you get up there and you'relike, oh, stop, nobody moved.
Like 20 feet in front of you,20, 20 bison and again one of
them staring us down.
They all circle up and Iremember a boomer was like what
do you want to do?
And I'm like I just want tostay, just like this.

(54:44):
Let's just let them figure outthat we're not here to do
anything and maybe they'll movealong.
So they ended up moving on andI was like man every turn, like
you never know what you're goingto come across.
And that same area there was abear that we saw, a black bear
that we saw every day, and hesaw us and he's like kind of
down and kind of check us outfrom a distance, and then he'd

(55:08):
screw off.
And then one day we came inthere and he wasn't there
anymore and we heard later onthat the guy came up there with
his kid doing the same thingthat we were doing and shot him.
Oh yeah, but yeah, just likeunbelievable, unbelievable
experience.
So we go back to that areaagain where we had kind of got

(55:31):
busted, and we go in there earlyagain.
We're bugling, we're getting aresponse, we get ourselves
situated, we're kind of goingover.
Okay, if they come out fromthis side, what are we going to
do?
If they come out from over here, what are we going to do?
They come over right throughwhich kind of play, all the

(55:53):
angles and boomer bugles again.
Now it's getting louder, sohe's coming out right.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Oh, so it's making a move.
It's like it's on the way it'smoving Like this is it's go time
.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
now, right, like he's coming out.
So I arrows knocked.
I got Logan sitting behind me.
I'm like okay, so just when I'mtrying to give him like we
talked about this with thecamera before- we let you try
your best.
If you don't get it, it's fine.
But, like, if you see him comeout, just make sure you touch
the screen so that it's in focus, like we can do wonders with it

(56:27):
.
As long as it's in focus, Icould work with it, if you know.
Yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay.
So it's getting louder, it'sgetting louder, it's getting
louder.
So we now know that he's comingout to the right of us.
Everybody's hunkered down.
We found a place to getourselves situated and then we

(56:47):
hear this radio playing and thisSUV comes barreling through the
cut block that we're in.
No, yeah, and there's a dog inthe passenger seat and it's
barking.
And I'm like I look back andI'm like this isn't happening,
there's no way this is happening.
And this guy pulls up and getsout His dog, jumps out and

(57:13):
starts just barking, barking,barking, barking, barking,
barking.
And I'm just kind of liketrying to, this isn't what's
supposed to be happening rightnow.
There's supposed to be an elkcoming out of the woods over
there, like that's what.
That's what was just happeninga minute ago.
Now we're not hearing him atall, obviously.
No, he's gone.

(57:34):
And I turn around and I look atDaniel.
He's like I know that guy, I'llgo talk to him.
So they go over and have aconversation.
And we had heard earlier in theweek from somebody that this
guy had been hunting an elk withtwo of his friends.

(57:56):
He was part of the native groupup there and they were trying
to get this particular elk andit just so happened to be the
one that was coming out and hekept saying that's, that's.
I've been going after that fortwo days now I have.
I have two guys in there thatare trying to get them, that are

(58:16):
trying to push him out here,and I'm like okay.
And then we heard his twofriends bugle and I'm like
that's a person, okay, I, I getit.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
I bro, I'd be, so mad I'd be, so I'd be.
I get the fuck out of here,buddy.
I'm from Ontario and part of mewas like I know?
Oh right, like I get it.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
I get it.
We're sharing, like we'resharing the area.
I'm totally for that.
I got no issues with that.
But I'm thinking in my head.
I'm thinking I got like threemore days and then I have to
disappear.
Yeah, take a hike.
I like all you guys, whetherlike the people that are
residents there, you guys cancome here the whole season.

(59:05):
I got so like a select, butagain we we understood it was
one of those things I know, butI'm heartbroken for you right
now.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
It's killing me inside right now, cause I've
been there, I know I like it'sjust you just want to tell that
guy you're like get, just goaway from it, like just you know
can you just give me this one?

Speaker 2 (59:33):
So, funny enough, I given Dave from Hellcat outdoors
my Zolio number, yep, so he hadtext me.
He's like dude, I'm fired upfor you.
I hope this is all working out.
I'm like I'm sitting here rightnow and there's one coming out.
I'll get back to you, right.
And then that's when the that'swhen the car came, the truck,

(59:55):
the SUV came burling down.
I was like so I'm trying tostay positive, right.
I'm like okay, we knew this guywas actively hunting in this
area.
We'll give it to him and we'llgo like there's 1.8 million
acres of area that we could bein.
There's another spot.
It was frustrating because it'slike we got screwed out of the

(01:00:16):
first spot.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Josh is so nice dude.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
By nobody's fault, right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Like I'm trying to stay positive.
Yeah, it's just thecircumstances.
It's just the circumstances.
Yeah, it's the game right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Yeah, so.
So then then what happened?
Then we, yeah, we went, we wentto a couple other spots and it
was, we weren't turning upanything.
And then it was like okay,tomorrow we have to start making
the trip back.
So we thought, if we pack upnow, we can go back to the

(01:00:53):
outfitter.
They had room for us to sleepfor the night.
They said why don't you justcome back and kind of have a
shower and get yourself ready,since you're going to be driving
home, and then on the way homeyou can still stop at a couple
spots along the way, right Causeit's you know, it's not over
yet.
And we, like it was such acrazy trip, like we saw spawning

(01:01:17):
coconut.
We were like we were in areasthat I never imagined ever
seeing.
Just stuff you don't see rightStuff you never see, and it was
just like I need to live here,like I need to come back and I
need to figure out a way to likeyou feel like this is where you
belong as outdoorsmen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
I am telling you right now, coming from a
province.
You lived in Ontario your wholelife.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Coming from a province of like, very outdoors
hunting, like it's very acceptedwhere I'm from, we are in the
wrong place.
You, me, all the boys.
If you're a hunter in Ontario,it just isn't conducive for us
men.
Like it's a don't get me wrong,there's good whitetail here,

(01:02:08):
there's good black, black blackbear and all that stuff, but
like it's just everywhere elseis almost better.
Yeah, and BC is probably thebest of it all.
I personally never hunted in BC, so I'm living vicariously
through you and it sounds liketops.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Oh yeah, you go on the eye hunter app for what's in
season and you're likescrolling.
Yeah, you're like, oh, what,what, what am I?
Four different types of deer,different types of sheep, goats,
da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da,da, da, da, like just crazy.
And then we abandoned where wegave.
We let that guy do his thing.
We came back to camp.

(01:02:46):
It was getting late, it'sgetting dark.
We hadn't heard a gunshot and Iwas the only crazy one with a
bow.
Up there, everybody's got guns.
Oh, you're the only you're theonly bow hunter hey, I was the
only one that had a bow and,like we haven't heard a gunshot,
maybe he's still in there.
Maybe we should go back, likewe knew that that guy.

(01:03:07):
That was the last day we weretalking to that guy, that was
the last day that he could be inthere and he had to go back to
work the next day.
So he's like give me today If Idon't get him, he's all yours
tomorrow, kind of thing.
Like we were talking about.
Didn't hear a gunshot, maybe.
So we're sitting around talking, we got our headlamps on and we

(01:03:30):
start hearing chirps in thewoods directly behind where our
tents are, like cow, cow andcalf chirps.
Yeah, cow and the calf waschirping closer to where the
water was, almost like it waslost Right, and I was trying to
get it to come back and I wasthinking are they this far apart

(01:03:53):
, separated, because the bullgot killed, or is he still alive
?
And they're just now behind hercamp?

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Yeah, I just kind of figured it out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
And then we're like or is somebody back there
screwed around with us with aHoochie Mom call you know what I
mean?
Yeah, what is it?
I'm like no, it's not that,because that takes way too much
effort.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
and there's people just wouldn't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Yeah, People wouldn't do that.
There was only like we only raninto three or four people and
they had no business messingaround with us.
So we go to bed, we wake up inthe morning and there's, like
elk tracks directly through thecamp in between the two tents.
Our tent was on one side, theirtent was on the other directly

(01:04:37):
through in between.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
I'm like they're just rubbing salt in the wound.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Whatever they can do to fuck with you, Josh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
And I get it.
People say you never get oneyour first year.
It's very rarely.
It usually takes a few yearsbefore you get one.
I get it.
But the amount of things that Ifeel lucky to have, the
experience that we had we heardthem, we saw them, we heard them
coming in that's more than whatyou could really expect.

(01:05:12):
On.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
It's better than getting skunked and hearing or
seeing nothing.
Right, yeah, at least you gotexperience, plus the bison, the
black bear, that's all wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
We found a moose shed that we picked up.
Yeah, we brought that back.
That was pretty cool.
But yeah, it was just.
It was like, yeah, like rubbingthe salt.
It was like, is that legit?
Like those are?
Yeah, we take a look.
Yeah, those are elk tracks.
Oh my God, they were walkingright by you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
But you know that's like, that's how it goes, man, a
lot of the time like you.
Just you know you put so mucheffort in and then you know they
might walk within 20 feet andyou never know the difference.
Yeah, it really is the way thegame goes right.
It's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
It's tough and a lot of the areas, like I said, it's
so thick in there, like some ofthe spots we went in, even when
we were on our way back, I kindof looked, I was looking, I was
thinking, is this a good idea?
You know when you're kind oflike, hmm, is this a good idea,
is this a bad idea, is thissomething?
I'm going to look back andthink you shouldn't go in there
because that looks like agrizzly bear lives in there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Yeah, what were you thinking there?

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Some of the spots were like you could see where
the brush had been pushed backso many times that a tunnel had
been made for a bear to walkthrough, right, right.
You're like, are we going tostumble on them in here?
And you know, we're looking atthe tracks and the guys were
saying, do you know thedifference between a black bear
and a grizzly bear track?

(01:06:48):
And I'm like, well, I've never.
This is my first encounter withgrizzly bears.
So they're like, okay, take alook at this one.
So they show the black bear one.
Now look at this one and youcan see where the pad stops.
And then, way up here, the clawsstart the claws touch and it's
like whoa, okay, you're like oh,that's easy to decipher.

(01:07:10):
And we did run into, you know,we saw a sow grizzly with three
cubs, oh man, and we weredriving along the road.
They came out and then turnedaround and went back in One of
the mountains that we drove upand got out and walked, kept
walking up.
We kept calling and calling andcalling and one of the calls we

(01:07:31):
had was it was like a cow elkcall, but it kind of sounded a
little bit like a predator calltoo sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Yeah, like a lot, like a rabbit squealing or
whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Yeah, and I remember making that comment, like that
one sounds a little like wemight be calling and we might
have some bears coming down.
And we did have a grizzly startbumping down the trail a bit
and, thank God, at that point wewere literally at the truck to
get back in it.
And I remember looking at itand I looked and I was like,

(01:08:01):
okay, everybody get back in thetruck and then we'll take a look
at it.
Yeah, like he looked just 400plus pounds, like just big, big,
big, big old bear.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
And that's your first time like live in person,
seeing a grizzly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
I mean I did it crazy Like, because you see all these
animals on all the hunt shows,you watch and all that stuff,
but it's something differentwhen you see them in person.
Yeah, I always remember thefirst time I ever saw a timber
wolf in person and I was inAlberta, I was working in the
oil fields at the time and therewas this timber wolf who was

(01:08:38):
stood in the middle of the roadand he was jet black and he had
these yellow, yellow eyes, yeah,and he was just like what and
like it's such a different feelbecause you get a real reference
for how big they actually areand you go, oh, that's not a.
Labrador retriever sized animal.
Like that's a, like they'rehuge animals.

(01:09:01):
Man and grizzlies are so bigLike yeah, it's, yeah, it's
crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
I really hope that they get that turned around and
they can start hunting themagain, because I think I think
they have to right yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
I think that's going to end up decimating so many
populations.
It's going to cause so manyproblems with communities and
stuff like that, like bears,overpopulate and everything.
I don't think they have achoice.
Eventually their hand will beforced right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
I hope they do that instead of hiring somebody to
come in with a helicopter, likethey've done here before.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
That is the saddest thing in the world that any
government entity can do is hirepeople to come in to just shoot
things for the sake of shootingthem.
Yeah, that's, we could get anylittle weeds on that.
We won't try to.
That upsets me so much that Iget super vexed about it.

(01:09:58):
But yeah, I feel you.
I know what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Yeah, I remember I think it was 2016 hearing it on
the radio that it was beingproposed that they were going to
cancel the grizzly bear hunt.
I just laughed to myself.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
So dumb.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Yeah, that's not going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
There's no way.
Oh yeah, and now they're goingafter other things.
Right, it's the same with downin the States, Like it's, we
need to come together.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
We have to stop being separate individual groups.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
I'm only.
I'll come to you.
I'm only a deer.
I don't hunt bears, so I don'tcare.
We all have to support eachgroup's thing right, 100%.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
It's.
You know.
It worries me because I talk tolike I know a lot of people,
especially living here in Guelph, that it's a very like I don't
want to say hippie, but they'renot like hunters.
It's not the same people thatmean you are right, you have
discussions about hunting andwhat you should and shouldn't do

(01:11:03):
and whatever, and it's itsaddens me that if you're
somebody who doesn't hunt andyou feel like killing animals is
cruel or hunting bears isterrible or whatever it is, I
can assure you to anybody outthere listening to me and Josh

(01:11:24):
right now talking on thispodcast, I promise you right now
there's no two people that caremore about the longevity of
animals and the species we huntthan we do, because if they go
away or they dwindle inpopulation, then we agree we
probably shouldn't hunt them toextinction.
We don't want any of that tohappen.

(01:11:45):
We want them to be flourishedin population.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Oh, of course.
Right, I mean, if they said oh,you're going to only get a deer
tag once every three years now.
Okay, no problem, you know whatI mean.
Like, if that's what it takesto help bring the numbers back,
sure?

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Then that's fine, absolutely.
But if you're a non-hunter, wechallenge you to at least do
this.
Just sit down with a hunter andI'm not talking about them
hillbilly yokos that justthey've got gun racks in the
back of their truck.
Just sit down with a real,reasonable human who bow hunts

(01:12:23):
or rifle hunts or whatever it iscrossbow doesn't matter and
just talk to them and you'llunderstand why we do it, why we
love doing it.
And we don't want the animalsto go away either.
No, but none of us want thedeer populations or elf
populations or bear plumb it.
We want them to be healthy andstrong so that we can take a

(01:12:46):
very specific amount every yearwhere we keep all the other
populations in check andeverything is thriving.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
And that's what I think.
I think a lot of thesedecisions that get made are
votes or are done with emotionand for sure, and a lot of.
But what a lot of people mightnot understand is that you know
the tags that get released arereleased based off of numbers

(01:13:15):
that are data that's come upfrom the biologists that are out
there that are doing counts allthe time.
And then you know, like evenwith us, we have to say how many
animals we saw.
Did you see how many bears didyou see this year?
How many, whatever?
So we're helping too.
And then the grand scheme ofthings if you look in the
regulations above, the numbersthat were shot last year and the

(01:13:36):
amount of tags that werereleased, you're around 1% of
the total population.
So we're not even making a dent.
It's not like it's calledmanagement for a reason.
Like it's not.
We're not impacting thecommunity of animals as a whole.
That's going to cause them togo into extinction or to get to

(01:13:59):
the point where we're going tohave to stop Like it's.
That's why they're alwayschecking the numbers to make
sure that you know like withOntario there's 400 things, just
like 400,000 white-tailed deer.
Last year 3700 of them wereshot.
Yeah, like I'm sorry that's notmaking it.
You're not affecting thecommunity of deer, not at all,

(01:14:23):
between any factor in all theaccidents and everything else.
But for a hunting standpointthey're not.
We're not causing you know thatmuch of an impact.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
They decline.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Right that it's going to affect the decline of that
disease.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
But people, the people who are so hard against
hunting.
I think the things they don'tunderstand is like, for example,
of those 35, how many did yousay?
It was like 3500 or somethinglike that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Yeah, it was like 37 or something 3700.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Of those 3700 deer that were shot last year in
Ontario, let's say the majorityof those deer were bucks, right,
because you usually get bucktags.
Doe tags are harder to get,harder to apply for them,
they're controlled tags.
So what I want everybody toknow, and the unfortunate thing
is this podcast really kind ofonly reaches hunters.
I wish we could figure out away to reach people that don't

(01:15:17):
hunt.
But when you kill a buck, youkill one deer, that's it.
You don't kill anymore.
The reason we kill bucks isbecause you're only killing one
deer and you're usually takingan older deer if you can, which
keeps the gene pool strong andall that stuff.

(01:15:38):
The reason you don't hunt doesas much is because when you kill
a doe, you don't kill one deer,you kill every deer she'll ever
have as a fawn.
That's why you only kill doeswhen it's a controlled hunt,
when the what do you call it?
The wildlife agency here sayswe have an overpopulation of

(01:16:00):
deer and we need to thin themout, and then they issue so many
doe tags.
But yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
There's a second release of tags later on in this
thing because they're like okay, we've got more because they
got the numbers coming in, wegot more that we can put out up
here.
Yeah, who wants them?
That sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
So it's managed very well.
We've done a great job offiguring out how to manage our
wildlife populations and allthose things.
So, just again, I urgeeverybody who isn't a hunter,
who is against it, just sit downand talk to a guy who's
reasonable and he'll explain itto you and you might come away
with a different light.
Right, you might think of it ina different manner.

(01:16:39):
We're not saying that you'regoing to go hunting or anything
like that.
We're not saying that.
But don't you know, nobodywants to take your wheat grass
I'm not making fun, I'm justusing this example but nobody
wants to take your wheat grassaway from you or whatever you're
doing.
We're very much mind our ownbusiness.
We'd appreciate if everybodydid the same on our end.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
And that makes any sense to people.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Yeah, it's like I always try to have conversations
with people whenever it comesabout Like I've brought.
I think we had some bearsausage made up one year.
Yeah, I brought some to workand I thought you know what?
I'm going to walk around theoffice and see if anybody wants
to try this.
And initially people were likewhat, the hesitant, like bear?
I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah, Fuck, bear, yeah.

(01:17:25):
And I was like okay, andexplained how we got it, how we
dragged it out.
You know, there was a funnypart where the wagon fell over
and I fell out and the bear fellon top of me and it was funny,
but it was dark and my head lampfell off and it wasn't funny at
the time.
But they laugh and they it'salmost like once they get the

(01:17:46):
context of it and they know thatit came from you and they're a
little bit more, they feel alittle bit more comfortable
trying it as opposed to somebodytrying to give them a sample at
a store or something.
You know what I mean, Guardcomes down a little right.
Right.
So I just think we need to havemore conversations with people

(01:18:09):
who might be on the fence, whomight not necessarily hate the
idea of hunting, but they don'tunderstand or grasp the whole
concept of it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Right.
Well, it's, you know I likeJess is my, my significant other
.
She would never dream ofshooting an animal.
That's beyond her comprehension, of doing something like that.
However, since meeting me andbeing around, you know she's
tried Black Bear, she's trieddeer and she likes, she enjoys

(01:18:38):
it, right, and we had a longdiscussion about it before she
did try it.
I've never really told thisstory, but we had a long
discussion about it before shetried it.
You know, I come from a familyof hunters and I come from a
long line of just like that wasa way of life for us and where
not for her.
And I explained it to her.

(01:18:59):
She was kind of like it makesmore sense when it comes from
you and the way you say it andthe way you talk about it and
it's, you know, for me it wasbringing that deer home, it's
feeding me and her and I knowevery step that that deer took
and to get to that slow cooker,onto the plate or whatever, and
it's it's a different thoughtfor her.

(01:19:21):
Now, again, she'll never, evergo hunting and that's okay.
I'm not trying to make a hunterout of her, I'm just trying to
not have an enemy of hunting,right, and that's all we're
looking for.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
None of us want you guys to go out, pick up a bow or
a rifle and go shoot anything.
We just want you to trust us inthe fact that we're doing the
right thing and we're notfucking Hillbilly Yoko's going
out in the back country justbeing dickheads.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Yeah, like I.
I'll never forget her in thestory that Josh told from Indoor
Adores about how he wenthunting deer hunting last year
on a property that was in hisfamily that his grandfather had
passed down to his father and heshot this huge deer the biggest
one he's ever shot and thefirst stop before going home he

(01:20:14):
drove to his grandpa's house tomake sure that he showed him.
And that was like such anawesome story, right, the
tradition is getting passed downand it's awesome.
Right, that's cool, man.
We need more stories like thatbeing told, right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
And you know, the other thing is too, like the the
side that people don't see islike you just take you and me
and Dave and all those guys, forexample, we didn't know each
other from Tom.
We all met through Instagram,through through talking and
talking, hunting and stuff.
And now we've we've formed tothis point what's going to end
up being a lifelong friendship.

(01:20:51):
By the time we get out, we dosome hunting and stuff like that
.
Like we've got such a goodclique of fellas, that kind of.
We're all in the same mentality, we do things correctly, we're
very ethical, we don't fuckaround, it's all legit.
People don't understand thebond that comes with all of

(01:21:11):
those things.
Right, like when you came down,when we did that shoot at
Shooters Choice, that was one ofthe coolest thing, you know
what I mean.
Like we had a great weekend,man, we had some food, we shot
some bows, we had made somelaughs and all that stuff.
Like people don't see thatstuff, man.
The camaraderie that comes withit is super cool.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Right, yeah, it was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Yeah, man, yeah, it's so good and we're.
There's going to be so manymore things to come down the
road.
Thank you, thank you, 100% you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Yeah, I walked into the store and I heard you guys
first, because I recognize yourvoices from the podcast.
Yeah, now I first heard aboutboth of you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
And I was like, oh, I hear them.
Oh there, they are Right, andit's just.
Yeah, it's amazing the power ofInstagram, what it can do.
You know, social media can bepain in the ass sometimes and
have some negative effects, butthat also brings people together
that would never have theopportunity of meeting each
other so 100% man and like we,when we like this was the first

(01:22:13):
time.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
There was only a couple of weekends ago, this is
the first time we actually allmet in person, but it we felt
like it was for me, like we hadknown you forever.
Yeah, it was so easy to hangout and do our thing and relax
and have some food and have afew drinks and stuff like that
man.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Talk for hours about archery.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Yeah, man, it was so smooth dude it was.
Yeah, people don't realize, man, that the bond you can build
with outdoor sports and huntingand all that stuff, it's now
we're going to well, hopefully.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
oh, we're going to attack, we're going to figure it
out, Josh.
Well, if we don't get it, if wedon't get Pennsylvania, we'll
go for the Michigan one.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
We'll go to Michigan.
We'll figure it out somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
So at the end of the hunt, you know you it's, you're
packing up and how are youfeeling at this point?

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
So it was.
Obviously it was a trip I'llnever forget.
I love the fact that my son wasthere.
He experienced the whole thingwith us.
That's cool, yeah, and that wasreally important, and obviously
nobody likes coming home emptyhanded, but it is a definite

(01:23:29):
thing that needs to be told morewithin the hunting space, like
that's how it works.
There's a lot of videos you canwatch on YouTube that are four
minutes long, and you fly in ordrive in somewhere you set up,
you go out, you shoot somethingyou take home.
Yeah, that is not the realityever ever and I kept saying,

(01:23:49):
like the whole way, like youknow, I just I kept thanking the
guys for, you know, they tookall this time out, away from
their families, taking me uphere, and I'm like, you know, no
matter what the outcome is, Iappreciate what you and they're
like, I don't worry, we're gonnafind what we're gonna find.
When they were crushed, likewhen we were driving home, like
this is like I think it hurteven more for them because they

(01:24:12):
knew that I had to leave,whereas they could continue
right next week, right, and theysent me pictures like the
following week.
They're like look, you know itwas.
Yeah, it's.
It all comes down to, you know,timing being in the right place

(01:24:34):
at the right time, a little bitof luck, right?
Yeah, it's.
It's not even these guys, yousee, who are shooting massive
things every year.
Like it's just a glimpse.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Josh, yeah, it's, it's it when you, when you go to
YouTube and you watch a guyshoot elk, like when you watch
cam and I'm not shitting on cam,because cam works hard as a
devil like yep, he probablyhunted for 30 days, you know,
before he put arrow in that bigsix point, that six by six elk,

(01:25:08):
you know what I mean.
Like and nobody puts that out,and not he's not put.
Not putting it out on purposeis because nobody would watch
that shit.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Nobody will watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Right, but that guy puts in work everybody, who, who
does all the, all the hunt,like Sivranila and Remy Warren
and all those guys, man, thatthe amount of time they spend in
the woods trying to hunt versusthe amount of times they're
successful is.
You just don't see it, man.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
Yeah, that's part of the thing that I'm trying to do,
like, obviously I don't want tokeep producing videos where I'm
unsuccessful, but I am tryingto show.
You got to show the truth,though.
You're right, you have to showthe truth.
So so I did, you know, edit avideo for that whole trip and it
is up on my YouTube page.
But, but it's like people needto know that this is a reality,

(01:25:58):
like you know.
Even some people say that itcan take.
You know, sometimes 1% of thepeople who have elk tags are
successful.
So it can sometimes take, youknow, six, seven, eight, nine,
10, sometimes years, for a sense.
Yeah, three, four, five, likeit's.
It's not a guarantee, justbecause you have one in your
pocket, that you're going to be,you know no, 100%.

(01:26:19):
But it's successful.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
It.
We're not.
So I shot in 2023, november 3rd.
I shot that doe up by Walkertonand I know a few guys around
here that have been bow huntingdeer for the last three or four
years and they've beenunsuccessful.
And some of my, my girlfriend'sfriends and stuff like that,
and you know I had one of themtext me and say, like you know,

(01:26:42):
like this is your only yoursecond year hunting deer Like
you managed to get the job done.
I didn't get a buck, I only gota doe.
I didn't feel my buck tag, butyou know he's like I've been
hunting for four years and Ihaven't shot anything.
I'm like now.
I'm gonna be honest with you.
There's two things that allowedme to get that deer.

(01:27:02):
Number one is a huge amount ofluck.
I just happened to be there atthe right time when they were
coming through, because huntingis a pile of luck it really is.
There's a lot of knowledgeinvolved to to get you in the
position to have the luck Right,but there's a lot of luck
involved as well.

(01:27:23):
The second thing I will saythat allows me to be able to do
those things is I have a hightolerance for shitty situations.
If it's raining, if it'ssnowing, if it's cold, I can
muster through it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Yeah, no problem.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
Yeah, most guys are fair weather hunters.
The only reason I've ever beensuccessful in all the hunting
I've ever done is because if Iget up in the morning and me and
Gary said we were going huntingat 4am and it's raining, we're
still going.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Where most guys would go.
Ah, it's pouring rain.
Fuck, I'll call them and I'mnot going.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
It's probably better opportunity in the rain, because
it's going to keep your scentdown and they're going to be
booing yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Time to go to work.
That's it.
That's what we're doing.
Put the rain gear on, we'll getafter it.
So I'm not a good hunter.
I just have a tolerance forshitty situations.
That's all it comes down to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
You're able to leave yourself out there longer to get
more of an opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
Yeah, and if you want to figure out how to hunt and
be successful, the truth of thematter is, the longer you're in
the woods, the better chance youhave.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
That's right, that's it.
You're not focusing on buyinggear and just get yourself out
there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Yeah, you can be a professional caller.
All you want you can.
Whatever it is that you'redoing, I don't care, it doesn't
matter.
But if you sit in a tree standfor two hours and I sit for 10,
I've got a better shot by far.
Yeah, and that's.
I think that's what it comesdown to at the end of the day.
Just, you got to be able to putup with shit, man.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
And the idea of like that's another thing that a lot
of new hunters might not thinkabout is have you ever sat alone
for four or five, six hoursstraight?
Yeah, like no one to talk, totry to be quiet, nothing Don't
move either.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Yeah, don't move.
Yeah, you got to try not tomove too much, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
Yeah, and like it can , it can play on your mind,
right.
And then it's like what am Idoing out here?
I've been here for four daysand I haven't seen anything.
Yeah, but that might be thetime when something walks out.
That's it, man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
And these young catch josh like the boredom that sets
in with those guys when they'resitting on the couch and they
have to scroll their phone.
Imagine what it's like when youdon't have cell phone service
so you can't scroll Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
You're kind of hooped .
You just got to kind of sitthere and kind of think about
shit.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
I sat Decisions you've made in your life Exactly
.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
Like, how did I get here?
And I'm not going to joke orlie about it, but when I shot
that doe, I spent six days inthe same fucking tree because I
knew those dough has comethrough there at some point, as
well as the buck, the two bucksthat were chasing them.
And I just stayed there, man,and I took a full week off of

(01:30:13):
work.
I took a rutcation you knowwhat I mean Like right in the
rut and I said I'm going to sitthis tree for full seven days.
Well, well, I guess it wouldhave been nine days because,
plus the weekend, day six waswhen I shot that don't.
So I spent 10 hours up to daysix in that tree, stand full day
sits 60 hours in a tree thatweek before I ever shot that

(01:30:36):
don't.
Oh yeah, most guys don't dothat.
No, most guys like they'll sittwo hours in the morning, sit
two hours in the evening andthen they're out of there.
It's like well, I and I spookedthose dough.
I spooked those doughs when Iwalked in, did you?
Yeah, man, and then they cameback and I was like, all right,
well, this is golden, you know,we go, I guess don't get to work

(01:30:59):
.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
Yeah, like I remember going bare hunting.
One year it was on my mybrother and sister in law bought
75 acres and it was like a farmfield that they were turning
back into a wet part of it, backinto a wet land, and there was
one section that was reallytightly wooded and just at the

(01:31:19):
entrance there he had set up acamera and he had some some
pictures, and so I set up acamera and I put a ground blind
in there and I said we can bothuse it, like whenever you're up
here, just jump in it, you know,I'll tell you what's coming,
kind of thing.
So I go up there for, you know,four days or so, and first day

(01:31:40):
don't say anything.
Second day I'm sitting in there.
And now this is an area where Idid have cell phone reception.
And I remember I was on, youknow, instagram commenting on
something Aaron Snyder hadposted from Gaffaru, yeah, and I
sent it and I looked up andthere were four bears in front
of me that were like 16 yardsaway and I'm like, oh, I've just

(01:32:06):
gone like four years of notseeing anything and now I got
four in front of me and I canhear one sniffing right next to
the blind yeah, the one islooking for me and there's three
or four others right there,right in front of me, and I was
looking at my goddamn phone.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
So dodgy man, have that thing with you, right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Right this away.
Yeah, like you don't know whenthings are going to happen.
And that just happened to belike a highway, like there was
coyotes coming through there.
I saw about 30 turkeys came in.
There was.
It was just.
That was the spot whereeverything was crossing over,
cruising through the field.
So you never know.
Like you could go days ofseeing nothing and then you

(01:32:49):
could look up and there could befour of whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
Yeah, I'm telling you , man, luck is one of those
things.
I got a cousin who that fuckingguy, I'm telling you, his
hunting strategy is.
He goes in, he sits in one ofour blinds, which is pretty rare
in Newfoundland.
We don't hunt moose out of ablind very often, but sometimes
we do and he goes in, he takes anap, he wakes up, he shoots a
moose three times.

(01:33:14):
He's done it, oh my God.
Three times he's called me andbeen like hey bro, I just saw us
taking a nap and I woke up andthis fucking moose was just out
in front of me and I shot him.
And now I need a hand gettinghim out of here.
And I'm like how the fuck doyou fall asleep and then wake up
at the exact time that thismoose happens to be strolling

(01:33:34):
through?
Yeah, and you just put a bulletin them and call it a day.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
I don't know what everybody's complaining about
this is easy.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
Yeah, it makes it look easy, right, but I really
want to.
We're still trying to figureout.
I'm hoping that I can switch myaddress or something back to
Newfoundland.
I really want to do a caribouhunt.
I think you should come to doit and I think you should shoot
it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
That's my dream, right there.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
That would be the king of everything for you, man.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
Yeah, I remember the first time I saw Don Evenson on
his who we Are video that he putout, yeah, and after I saw that
I connected, like everybodyelse did, with that, so much
that I needed to find everythingthat he's done.
And so I go to YouTube and I.
There was a trailer for TerraNova three days on the island.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
So, good.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
I'm like, oh my God, so good.
And I went on his website and Ibought all three of his movies,
or two or whatever it was atthe time.
And then it comes in the mailand I throw it in and I'm
watching it and he's at the verybeginning.
He's like I can't believe ittook me this long to get to
Newfoundland.
I'm like he's in Canada Likethis is amazing, this is even
better.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
It's the greatest man .

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
I can't wait to take you there.
They're so beautiful there.
It's just the landscape is juststunning.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
I'm telling you, man, I can.
I hope to God that those thosemoose tags work out, man,
because when we go there, you'rejust going to be like, like
it's not.
Bc is a different story becauseit's got the Rockies and stuff
like that, so it's a differenttype of beauty.
Yeah, yeah, but just theruggedness and what you're going
to see there and the vastnessof the fact that there's not,

(01:35:15):
there's 500,000 people that livein the whole province and you
just go, it's crazy.
Yeah, man, this is where youbelong, like regardless of
everything else, like this iswhere you should be and this is
how you should be living.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
Yeah, like we've got what 3 million people in Toronto
Too many.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
It's like yeah, go to a place that's so vast that has
a small population, like thatwould be incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
Yeah, it's a different world man.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Even like driving through on the way back, driving
through Northern Ontario, likeit was.
It was pretty sweet, likecoming out of oh yeah, it was
amazing.
Yeah, coming into Albertaspectacular yeah, I'd love to go
there like mule deer hunting orsomething.
Saskatchewan, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
A little flat.
Watch your dog run away forthree days.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Little flat yeah Like lots of farming.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
But savage mule deer hunting.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Still cool.
Oh, they got the biggestwhitetail and the biggest mule
deer going, yeah.
But then you get into NorthernOntario and you're like, wow,
how come I have never driven uphere Like this is where I live,
because everybody only thinks ofthat little spot.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
Pro no, no, you go up by Lake Superior, holy cow,
like you're a beautiful provinceman.
We're driving past spots andI'm like I said, logan, pull out
your map, mark that.
Yeah, we need to come back here.
Look at that, look howbeautiful that is.
Holy cow, this is amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
Yeah, no, it's, so I think it's a cool.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
I think when it comes to applying for tags next year,
I think I'm going to try andmaybe do some that are way up
north that we can go venture upto.
I think that'd be cool.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
I'm going way north.
Yeah, I'll sleep in the truckif I have to.
I'm good to go.
Absolutely, I'm down.
Cool, just tell me when youwant to leave, let's do it,
brother.
All right, man, josh, Iappreciate you sharing your
story with us.
That's cool, thanks, but we'regoing to get to do some hunting

(01:37:11):
this year.
Hopefully one of us draws somemoose tags this year for Ontario
, that'd be or even elk tags,man, even if we can get a set of
elk tags that'd be cool.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Yeah, if that happens , that's going to be probably a
once in a lifetime thing andwe're going to have to really
look, because I think there'sfive areas, five harvest areas,
and really have to dissect thatand find out where you want to
go.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
That's such a once in a lifetime thing for Ontario.
If any of us draw a tag, likeif you draw a tag, you call me
right away.
I'm booking the holidays offand I'm coming with you and
we're getting an elk.
We're going hard in the paintfor as long as we can and we'll
get the job done.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
Yeah, 100%.
I think that's an unspokenthing with the group of us.
I think we're all in the sameboat.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
Oh yeah, anybody draws a tag?

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
Everybody rings the bell that they got a tag.
Yeah, when are we going?

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
Yeah, we're all in the help man.
Give me the camera, give me apack.
Let's go to work.
I'm good, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
It's funny though it's.
You know we're all doesn'tmatter if we're shooting it or
not.
We just like the idea of beingthere and helping too.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
Oh yeah, man, I don't care.
I hope any of you draw a tag.

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
You're almost happier for your friend to get it than
you yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
Yeah, man.
Well, because I think it's, Ithink we understand that like
it's a community thing anyway.
Right, it's not about just us,right?
Like, if you draw a tag, we gotto go in there, we got to film
that, we got to cut it up, wegot to.
We got so much work to do, wegot, we.
Just it doesn't matter whosetag it is, we just need to get

(01:38:48):
that animal.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
now, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
Yeah, that's the only mission, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
We're like Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
Tyson.
There's only one objective,that's to get the elk.
For him it was Lennox Lewis,but for us as well.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
Big things coming this year yeah absolutely 100%.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
So, if you all don't know, josh runs Caribou Media
Outdoors.
Go over, check out his YouTubechannel, check out his Instagram
, follow him and subscribe.
Great review videos, awesomecontent.
You have to check it out andsubscribe.
Don't be afraid.
Everybody doesn't subscribe forsome reason.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
Just yeah it's something across the board.
I think there's like I think alot of other channels say the
same thing.
When you look at the analytics,there's like 97% of the people
that keep coming back watchingare not subscribed, so yeah,
just subscribe, it doesn't costanything.
Yeah, hit the button, it's allgood.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
Don't worry about it.
And if you want to follow us,we'll be on Behind the Hunt and
Full Drop podcast and I'm CJ andyou can follow me on Instagram
as well.
All right folks, Josh, thankyou for coming on.
That was an awesome story.
Thank you, Super pump, that wedid that shoot together and
we're going to do some hunttogether in the future.
So, yeah, more stories to come.
Absolutely All right folks.

(01:40:02):
Thank you for watching and goodnight.

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