November 28, 2023 • 50 mins
In this episode we welcome back Joe Goubeaux and his PSE teammate S.G. Holmes, Joe and Stew are staff shooters at PSE. They traverse the landscapes of Ohio and Alabama, chasing elusive whitetail and offering fascinating insights into their behaviours, habitats, and the unique challenges that come with hunting them. From explaining the scoring system to providing tips on strict management practices, this episode will equip you with valuable knowledge for your next hunting expedition.
Shifting our sights to world-class archery technology, we pull back the bowstring and take an in-depth look at PSE's latest carbon bow marvel The Mach 30 DS. From speed and setup ease to new features, we dissect what makes these bows game-changers, with the Mach 30 impressing us with amazing performance. We also talk about the importance of a well-fitted bow over mere specifications. But the quest doesn't stop there; we tackle the thorny issue of obtaining top-tier archery equipment in Canada.
Have you ever wondered how to capture the perfect shot at archery events or film YouTube-worthy hunting videos? We've got you covered. Joe and S.G. dish out their go-to camera models and share tricks of the trade for different scenarios. We also dive into our experiences at archery events, the jitters of approaching renowned archers, and the brotherhood within the community. To wrap up, we express our gratitude for Stew and Joe's intriguing insights and invite them to return, further fuelling our collective passion for hunting and archery. So, whether you're a seasoned hunter, an archery enthusiast, or curious about the sport, this episode promises a thrilling trip down the archery trail.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Welcome back.
We've got Joe's back, obviously, and his partner in crime, stu.
The boys are staff shooters forPSE.
You boys have been busy.
Yeah, dude, absolutely yeah,man.
You guys got lots of news.
I'm dying to hear about the newbows, but we'll start.
You guys had a little trip toJoe's neck of the woods.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, I got to.
Got to go up into down in Ohio.
Yeah, got to chase somewhitetail and man, that was a
blast, it was a good time.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh, I bet.
So where are you?
Where are you from, Stu?
Where are you located?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
So I'm located in Alabama, like South Alabama.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Oh shit, okay, Right on.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, so it was a little hop skip and a jump up
there, but easy peasy and yeah,what's the difference in the
whitetail situation between youguys?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I guess it is it better in Joe's neck of the
woods or Alabama's a littlebetter.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Well, I think I mean I've hunted whitetail all over
the place and I really reallyenjoy like North and Midwest
whitetail because it's like theybehave like whitetail should
behave.
Okay, and as you get likefurther South, like in Alabama,
they we have probably morenumbers of whitetail than most
(01:37):
states.
I mean I think we have morewhitetail than you put in the
population, which I guess it'snot in Alabama, but they're
super skittish, I mean justcracked out kind of whitetail
Gosh.
You get it Way more than thetypical whitetail and haunting
them is pretty, pretty difficult.
It's extremely like thick, youknow nasty, swamp type stuff.
(02:01):
You know they're not as big.
I really have always saidthey're like a subspecies of
kind of your typical, maybeMidwestern whitetail or
something like that.
I think what we have is like astrain of like coastal whitetail
deer, but yeah, they're likemeth dialed or something, I'm
not sure.
So I enjoy getting up north andout of you know my area to hunt
(02:24):
them, getting after some biggerfellas.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Absolutely.
Yeah, we have back home, whereI'm originally from in
Newfoundland, we have like thewhole province only has half a
million people and there's280,000 moose.
Oh, wow, that we know of right.
So like the population of mooseis like real close to the
population and the whole island.
So I know what you mean when,like when you say the deer
(02:47):
population is probably higher,they tend to get a bit bigger
than more north.
You go right yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, oh, yeah.
I mean like what we have isalmost like kind of similar to
like a coos deer or something.
I mean like if you shoot likethat's small, right, they're
well, I mean, I guess, well,that much smaller.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the olderbucks will get a little bigger,
but you know, like you know racksize, I mean if you shoot a 120
, like that's like really likedoing something, oh, that's a
(03:16):
monster.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Hey, oh yeah, oh yeah .
No kidding, joe, you shot that.
That one you shot was prettybig.
What was that?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Stu, oh, you didn't measure it.
You like me.
No, I was just like I was justpumped that it's a bit.
It's a bigger deer that I'veseen harvest from the farm in a
minute.
But I don't know, stu, you likeroughed him.
You just were like eyeballedhim and were like, yeah, he's
probably.
I don't remember what you said,but we didn't.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, he's probably.
He's probably 120, like low120s, yeah, and because he was a
10, I think that's what got himinto that range, right, but
just a really, really prettydeer.
I mean, like you know, longtimes, which helps to score out
quite a bit.
That's something you know.
You don't always have a choice,but when I'm looking for them,
(04:06):
you know it's your main beamsand time length is.
That's where your score is.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Oh, that's where the majority of it comes from.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, time, time length, number of times.
Time length is big for that andkind of like where that main
beam if you ever look like sideprofile, and where that main
beam kind of comes out and stops.
If it's, you know, hitting thattip of the nose or something
like that, you've got a prettygood size.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
But yeah, I'm still trying to figure out how
everybody scores whitetail.
I'm pretty new to the whitetailgame because we don't have them
back there, and so I'm stilltrying to figure.
Everybody's talking G twos andthis and that I'm like just
somebody show it to me, forGod's sake.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
That's how I was.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
There's a lot to know , man Right.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Was it?
Yeah, you're kind of like Idon't know Where'd you say.
He was like oh, he's got a nice.
His G three is real nice, likegood point.
I was like I was accounting itto.
Oh, okay, this one is the one.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
There's a lot to know about it.
Right, like most, like the guysthat are in the whitetail.
Like no the game.
Yeah, like heavy right.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Well like if you've, like I've, hunted some places
that really really manage their,their deer like really strict
and like you, you you have toget a pretty quick crash course
if you don't know what you'redoing in there, because
otherwise you'll get in troublepretty, pretty fast with some of
those guys.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
They want you to only harvest certain age deer and
certain size and stuff like that.
Hey, yeah, yeah, you guys areserious about your whitetail
down there.
Oh yeah, you don't.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Right, so you know we don't have an elk and all that
that fun stuff.
So whitetails kind of name ofthe game.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Right, right.
I mean, how many states have?
I mean I think the range of elkin the States is a lot smaller
than it was way back in the day,right, like it's kind of shrunk
down a lot.
Probably Aren't theyreintroducing, I mean?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
they've reintroduced and you know some of the the
East there and you know even.
Wisconsin some.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Pennsylvania is got supposed to be killer elk.
Oh yeah, yeah, but it's the tagis like nutty, like real hard
to get, but real good, real goodelk out of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, it's, it's the same.
Here We've got we've got likefour management units where you
can apply for elk, but theyissue 22 tags a year out of 2800
people that apply.
So your chance like I mean it'slike an Ontario elk is like
once in a lifetime, if you'reeven lucky to get it.
Yeah, it's, it's, yeah, it'scrazy, right, but I mean you
(06:40):
apply every year and cross yourfingers and hope for the best
and see what happens, right,well, why not?
Well, you have to right, it'sthe same with moose here.
Like it's the.
The lottery draw for moose ispretty crazy.
Most guys get a set of tagsonce every 10 years.
So I already told me and Joealready talked about it.
But I'll give you a littlebackground stew.
(07:01):
I'm a little spoiled.
Growing up in Newfoundland, wehave so many moose there that
you get a set of tags everysecond year.
Wow, like no problem.
So I would get a set of tagsone year.
My brother would get a set oftags one year.
My dad would get a set of tagsat the same time as us.
My mom might get a set.
So we might have to hunt threemoose a year.
(07:23):
So I'm spoiled, rotten right,and then come here and it's like
well, you can hunt white tail.
Yeah, good luck on anythingelse.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
You're like oh, you have to have to hunt three a
year.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, exactly Like you don't have a choice.
And even caribou, like caribou,was an easy tag growing up back
there.
It was, but you couldn't applyfor moose and caribou, you were
only allowed to apply for one,right?
But I mean, that's such, a suchan advantage if you're a big
game guy, because how many guysget to hunt a caribou?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
No, I would love to.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, it's rare, right, like it's not an easy tag
to get anywhere else.
But we were so spoiled backthere and it's like moose are
like white tailed us, and thenyou come here and everybody's
dreaming of a moose on.
You're like oh I've, we've beenthere a million times.
It's weird, but we should, oneday, you boys should come up,
(08:20):
we'll go there and we'll hunt acaribou or a hunt a moose.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, that means, oh yeah, that'd be crazy Sweet yeah
.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
We'll do it, we'll figure it a way to set it up.
We're actually going to hunt amy mom's tags this year for her,
so the only stipulation is shehas to be with us.
Perfect yeah, yeah yeah, maybeone year we can.
We can work at where we'll geta set of tags on a caribou.
You boys come up, you shoot it.
(08:48):
I'm telling you you'd have agreat time and it's all like
it's all barren rocky landscapewith like patches of like bog
and stuff like that.
So it's all open, it's easywalking in caribou country.
Yeah, not much country's brutal, yeah, but yeah, you guys would
really love it.
Man, that'd be sick, yeah, yeahdefinitely.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Caribou is definitely on the top of my list.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, it's what's.
Is it hard for you boys to gettags in Alaska?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
um, I mean, I guess it depends on the tag.
I've not looked at it yeah, Ithink there's no bear.
Tags and stuff like that areprobably a dime a dozen.
I think the biggest hurdle is,you know, you probably need an
outfitter and and things likethat to like get back to places
(09:39):
so yeah, and that's where themoney comes in.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Right is when you got a pan outfitter and a guide to
get you in there.
It's just, it gets.
It gets nutty.
10 $15,000 hunts, right.
I don't know, have you boysseen I don't know if you you
watch any a crispy stuff, butdid you see his, his new caribou
hunt?
Yeah, I watched it the otherday.
They shot three dude.
It was wild that young fellathat shot him with a rifle.
(10:02):
He must have been 15 years old,yeah, so my, my son was
watching that with me.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
He was, he was, you know, he watches a lot of crispy
and he was wanting to watchthat.
And he was like, oh my god,that kid's like not much older
than me, like he, and he gets todo that like dad.
Don't you feel jealous?
I'm like no man.
I mean I'm happy for him.
It's cool he got to do that.
You know like you should behappy for him.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, you can't be envious of it right like it is
what it is, but it's.
That's pretty impressive huntfor a for you like that to go on
an experience man like that's abig deal.
He's got future ahead of him.
No, no, you're sure once he youknow, yeah, yeah, he's
definitely crispy.
I mean, learning from that guywhen it comes to archery is
pretty good.
(10:46):
You're a lucky dude, you know,yeah, yeah.
So the new bows boys how arethey which?
What?
What ones are you shootingcurrently and how how different
do you find them from lastyear's stuff?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
you go first, do it because you have the levitate
experience okay, so, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
So carbons.
Let me first say, like the PSE,carbons are special.
I mean, don't, don't you havethe levitate in the easy?
Yeah, so you know, you knowwhat's up.
So and I will say, like the,that was my first carbon bow
getting that and I struggled alittle bit to get used to the
(11:29):
lightweight and try to get whereit would like hold and balance,
and it really just came down tolike get my stabilizers right.
And once I had that right, Iwas like, holy cow, this is I'm
not.
It's gonna be hard to go backto aluminum.
Yeah, you gotta get your weightright, right, yeah, exactly
100%.
You know, once I, once I gotthat settled, it was, it was off
(11:50):
to the races, so have thelevitate.
And then they sent me the Mach34 as well, so I had that to
kind of compare to.
And now the new Mach 30.
The levitate was always like itreally was like special place
for me.
I love a 32 axle to axle bow.
Yeah, I love how it held, Ilove the performance, like it.
(12:13):
I was surprised how fat, howmuch speed you actually get out
of that, like really smooth cam.
Yeah, I was like wow, you know,I was, you know, I think two
nineties or something, and itwas only pulling, like you know,
69 pounds or something with a460 or 455 grain arrow.
So what do you?
What are you pulling that?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
for draw length 29.
Okay, so you're right in theright in that money.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Spot on that bow then yeah, yeah, so a little over 29
.
So I couldn't imagine likeanything kind of like being
better.
And then you know the Mach 30comes and I'm like and me and
Joe talked about it just like,oh, you're gonna love it, it's
right in your wheelhouse, youknow.
Like you know being 29, youknow draw link, that's 28, 29.
(12:57):
I would say really like thatbows gonna shine for for that,
oh sure, that's right, yeah.
But I've always like not reallyloved short axle to axle bows
and like short, I mean like 30and under, is to me like kind of
short, yeah.
But when I got it, I mean likeI think I text Joe was like holy
(13:20):
get, like it took me nothing toget it set up.
Yeah, it set up so easily, ittuned so easily.
And I mean I've had someexperience with with the, you
know, the PSE carbons andgetting them, getting them, you
know, ready to shoot.
But I remember like shootingthe first arrow and like
(13:40):
noticing, like you just know,sometimes when a bow is fast,
like that arrow is just it'sit's whipping and I was like,
wow, so speed wise, I couldn'twait to get it through a chrono
and actually it's pretty muchthere with a levitate in terms
of speed, pretty, yeah, so it'sfast, really really fast.
(14:02):
I love some of the new featureson it.
So some of the gripes that youknow I had on the levitate is
like man, I wish this had a pickmount.
Well, now you got a pick mountright, yeah, and I love on a PSE
running my stabilizer in thatbottom stabilizer bracket.
Oh, down low, yeah, so you'vegot the two.
Like I loved it.
On the Omen, the Fortis, like Ilove that weight just being
(14:24):
lower.
For me it just, I don't know itholds better.
Sure, center of gravity, youknow, lower below the riser the
better, yeah, and you know, so,having that, I was pretty stoked
on that.
I love the look of the newriser.
So, anyway, aesthetically itlooks friggin badass.
In my opinion, the new featuresmake it.
(14:46):
Now there's really nothing moreyou can ask for in terms of you
know where to put a sight andall that you know tuned up
nicely, and in terms of shootingit, I really really like it.
So, yeah, it's like tell you'refired up a bit, you like, yeah,
oh, it's sweet, it's.
It's a sweet little boat, soeasy to carry around, it's so
(15:08):
easy in the tree stand.
I've hunted, you know, in theground blotting what's with it.
Now you know it is firing outand we were surprised, so I
think I'd had the bow like maybea week and a half before I went
to Ohio with Joe and he's gotthis dope ass freaking public
archery range.
That is.
You've seen it in the videoshe's got his own private spot
(15:30):
there yeah, so I traveled to, Imade the, you know I traveled to
the Mecca and made, made myvoyage to the Mecca and Ohio Joe
archery range and yeah, we weresending them, you know, 60
yards and I mean like the firsttwo shots were like touching on
that good.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, it's crazy, it's surprising, it is it's,
it's that steady for a 30 inchbow?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
hey, yeah so 30 inch, six inch brace.
But so we talked about this alittle bit.
We did like a Q&A live to likekind of give some people some
answers on some of the stuffwe're seeing through DMs and
stuff right, I've got it saved.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Oh perfect, actually I haven't watched, yeah, but I'm
gonna.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
So we touch on this.
But, like the guys at PSC, theygave us some some talking
points and, you know, full draw,stability, that whole piece.
I think a lot of people I don'tknow if we talked about this or
not, cj, but like I think a lotof people think it's like yeah,
it's just some marketing orwhatever, right, right but
there's yeah what it's doing,like what they've engineered
(16:29):
into their cam.
It's, it's a bunch of things.
It's it's the rocker position,the angle of the limbs, the you
know people kind of stay on.
Yeah, the width of the pocket.
I know people gripe on likereflex and brace height, but you
got to look at like youreffective brace height at full
draw.
So like what they you know,without saying how they did it,
(16:51):
because eventually you know thecompetition will steal that too,
like wide lip pockets are theflavor of the day now, without
saying what it is that what'shappening, but your effective
brace height is lengthening soit effectively is a seven inch
brace height at full draw.
So when you shoot it, oh, I see, okay, very obviously tell it,
(17:11):
does not shoot like a six inchbrace height, it's.
You know, I shot six inch brace.
I've shot 30 inch bows.
They are a little twitch here,they are a little all over the
place, but this one isn't.
So without knowing thatbackground, it's, it's easy to
like be put off by thedimensions or the inches of
reflex or how long or short thebrace height is, but it's one of
(17:34):
those like I tell people this alot on, just go shoot it, you
know, yeah, think what you'rethinking, but just shoot it and
then like feel what happens andthen then get back to me and let
me know, because I totally getthe short bow, you know
leariness than initial leariness, but it's, it is like he said,
(17:54):
like we were like laughing, likeI don't know if I just got more
used to the grip, you know,coming from like a big chunky
ultra view grip to the carbongrips, but I swear I was
grouping better at 60 with thatthan my 34, which doesn't.
That makes no sense.
But the 34 was my first bow.
You know to get used to thatgrip and that angle and the
(18:15):
width and everything.
So I don't know, it's a freaky.
Whatever they did it's, it's afreaky bow.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
It's.
It's, you're right, becauseit's hard to to lock down.
Like I shot Hoyt for a longtime too, at 30 inches and I
never had any problems.
I had great groups, they wereall tight and I did switch to a
Matthews 29 for a minute and Icouldn't get that thing to
settle.
The pin float was insane.
(18:43):
I couldn't do anything so I hadto move it and when I did I
went to the levitate and stufflike that.
Now, like that thing shoots sogood for me that I'll never
steer away from it again and thewider limb system works great.
And I've shot a lot of pscs fora long time.
Like I had the embark, I hadthe NT and all those guys and
that like psc just kind of fitsyou right.
(19:06):
Sometimes a bow just fit yeahyeah, and it sounds like you've
got that going on with that Mach30 Right, like something about
it.
Just everything lines up foryou boys and it works good.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I think yeah yeah, sir.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, so it's.
It's funny you say that.
So I had.
You know, I shot Matthews for asmall stand and I could get
them to shoot.
Well, but that you know thepoint of like a bow, like
agreeing with you or like youknow, you like you jive with,
like certain bows and I don'tknow if it was the grip of them
(19:42):
and I shot.
Let's see, I shot a 30,whatever their, the One of the
first 30s on that platform Ican't remember the name of it at
the moment, like the xr orsomething like that even before
the vias VxR had.
Okay, yeah, it was, I can'tremember, but I shot that.
(20:04):
I shot that they had a had a 27.
I pointed around with the V3.
Was it a V3 27?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, I think is V3.
Your V3 X was a 27.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Or like maybe, maybe some people out there don't
don't agree and love it, but Icould.
That bow made me question mywhole or anything I ever knew
about archery life, like Ithought I I needed to go take
lessons, I swear to God.
So I Went from the 27 to the 31and I was like, okay, this is,
(20:37):
this is better, but still likeit.
Just, I just struggled with it.
So Then I went to from that,all those, I tried those.
I had the 33, I had the 29,okay, but the my, my stent back
at PSC was the Omen and by alllike specs there's.
(20:58):
It should have been everyreason for me not to like that
bow, because it's a short, shortrace, I right.
Five and a half inch braceheight.
Yeah, I love the 33 axle toaxle but like, again, like they
defy physics.
There's something they're doingthat defies physics, that makes
, yeah, from a spec sheet whatshould be a horrible twitchy bow
to something that's actuallyextremely accurate and works.
(21:21):
And it works, man, really Imean it's a killer.
And that's really how I feelabout a lot of their bows.
I love the, the grips and itjust they're, they're very, very
accurate and and and to methat's that's key.
Okay, it might not be it.
You know as quiet, you know as,as you know what they, what
(21:42):
they do on the Matthews, butthey're very quiet, they're
quiet enough.
You know my guide, yeah forsure you know so.
And like the thing on, likesome of the bows, like people
shoot them, you know, in a shopand it's like you know they
spend a few minutes shooting itat five feet or 15 yards or 20
(22:02):
yards, and I think, like youknow not to talk bad about any
bow companies, but like Matthewshas, I think, from a shot
experience, they have won thewar, they've won the battle at
like 10, 15 yards, like they're.
They feel great, yeah, but forme I just cannot.
You know, I just shoot otherbows more accurately.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
But you're right, it certain bows drive with certain
people, right.
So my brother shoots a Matthews31 inch v3 that the Matthews
bows work for him.
He shoots him.
Great yeah, and he shoots theoriginal grip, oh, and he loves
he's Only fellas.
(22:45):
Do I've ever met in my life whowill sit in front of you and
say I like the Matthews stockgrip?
You go, nobody likes theMatthews stock grip.
What are you talking about?
He loves him Can't get enough ofit.
I'm like, oh, I don't know howhe does it, but yeah, but you're
right, man.
And as soon as I went back toPSE everything kind of came back
to me and it felt right and andI did go to a longer axelax,
(23:08):
obviously the 32 and a quarteron a on a levitate, but you know
, and they sit better in my hand.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And I think that's really it.
I think, whatever theergonomics of the grip and how
it sits and Holds, I mean,that's your accuracy, you know
oh for sure, my, my favorite bowof all time was my NTN.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, I love that bow .
What was the first evolved camI ever shot?
And I thought when I pulledthat thing for the first time I
went when is this been?
Yeah, my whole life like thisis amazing.
And then like you said it wasfast.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, I had somebody DM me the other day saying like
oh they need to bring back theNTN wire.
Why have you know?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So there's, there's a , there's some NTN.
You know fans out there forsure.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
They need to bring it back with the EC2 cam just to
get that little bit extra speedout of it.
I know the NT.
The EC2 was pretty much thesame cam as the evolve cam, just
wider bearings, right.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, it just fits that wider limb pocket.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, it's no, the geometry on the actual wheel is
no different.
Right, yeah, this is the same.
Yeah.
So, joey, you, you're shootingthe, the 33 Eva evolved DS.
Now, right.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, so I, I it's for whitetail.
It's hard to get away from thatshort warm Riser now that it's
different below we're in the 30sand stuff nice that warm carbon
is nice I hate to be like.
You know, people like well, it'slike two seconds, I pull my bow
off and hold it.
I'll deal with it.
It's like I get it, but it'snice.
(24:42):
Yeah, it's nice, just it's likeanother.
It's pretty little thing.
So it the two, was it two weeks, two sets ago, like two weeks
ago, I had both bows with me andI was like all right.
Last second decision I threwthe, I threw the evolve in the
Kubota and I drove out and thenI made the best shot I've made
on animal so to date on withthat bow and I think, like I Saw
(25:08):
their release.
So when it came out, came outthe day after the, the 30 and
and right at a target archergoing through why he liked it.
You know, I want something thatis going to be built like stable
, forgiving, shoots like atarget rig but is dead and quiet
.
The bow is just comfortable.
(25:29):
I mean, I don't have the 30, Ihave the 33, you know, and like
Stuart told me is, like you knowyou're gonna, you're gonna fall
into that bow, just like youfell into the 34 because it just
fits you better.
You know the 30, I'm shootingit almost an inch short because
that's where it's at on the EC2,which is fine for tree stand
stuff.
Yeah, but I'm like a 16th offof 31 inches on that bow and
(25:53):
it's just comfortable.
Angling down is comfortable,it's just comfortable.
It's comfortable shoots flat.
I didn't even yeah, you know ittuned piece of cake tuning with
that easy to 20.
I had a slight tear.
We pressed it me and stood I'mlike I know, in the back of my
head.
I was like I know the last thepaper tear I had was, you know,
I had a slight right.
So we shimmed it, didn't evenreconfirm it, stuart.
(26:16):
We did our stuff with the 30and then the next week I went
out.
I Didn't even recite check siteor anything.
I was like, all right, shouldbe good, and it just slams.
Dude, the bow is just, it'sdead.
That that's a tack bow, like ifyou were building just a tack
bow.
But you also on that 33 isstupid.
It's uh, it's dead.
It's weighted well, it'slighter.
(26:38):
I believe, based off of whatStuart said, a little bit and
the Fortis, because I don't knowthe Fortis, I love it.
I love it.
Pick rail, lower bushing, youknow, shock pod, the whole deal,
like the bows, just it's, it'scomfortable.
It's definitely a comfortable,especially if you're outside it
at 30 inches draw.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, I'm super pumped that they're going with
all the accessories now, likethe pick rail and then the the
integrated mounts on the back,and that they've got Like
cutouts in the riser for like anupcoming quiver right, like
yeah so.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
So Stuart knows a little bit more than I do.
There's a one-piece and atwo-piece.
They'll mount directly intoyour riser Coming from PSA yeah.
Yeah, they're that's.
They should be coming soon.
They're out like I've seen them.
I don't have one, but they're,they're, they're coming like for
everybody, that's.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
that's like the only thing they've been missing,
right?
Yeah, I think so, like theaccessory accessories.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yeah.
Yeah, and that's what me andyou talked about, I think the
last time.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, because Matthews and Hoyt has their own.
Yeah, oh yeah they work so welltogether.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, I know, that's the thing like you see has it
like yeah, matthews, theiraccessories are like pretty
top-notch, hoyt, I I never likeI had their quivers and stuff.
I never really liked them quiteas much as I.
As the the low-pro I thoughtwas like really well done for a
quiver, yeah, yeah.
But yeah, I think that's amissing piece and they're they
(28:04):
know that that's something theywant to have and so they're
gonna have it.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Dude, I love the direction they're heading in.
Oh, I think they're on theright path for everything.
Yeah, 100% and yeah, yeah, andthey've got, they've got a cool
feel about whatever's going onthere, like the atmosphere Seems
great, like that.
Just the commercial alone thatthey put out to release it with
Dudley and it's.
(28:30):
Everybody else does.
Like those serious commercials.
I was just yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I know there's was so much fun it's just you know
they know, they know exactly,man.
They know they know what they'rebringing to the table.
I mean, and the guys that thatrepresent a, you know, ownership
and I Mean I talked to stewabout this all the time.
I was like I told you this toobecause it was right after our
conversation with Stuart is likeyou know, there's Sort of these
old dynasty brands, you know,like the one behind you, and
(28:57):
then there's, like you know,matthews has deep.
You know they've done theirtime.
They had their bad bows.
They think you know we're moreof an apparel line than they
were a bow manufacturer and thena boat, and then they took over
, you know, and it's, you knowit's a story as old as time.
You know the hungrier, you knowthe hungrier person, is the one
that goes and goes longer.
You know I'm zoom.
Yeah, so, pete for sure, youknow Kings will fall, dynasties
(29:20):
fall.
You know everything, but aslong as the company, I think,
has that drive, these guysDefinitely know where they are
and where they want to be.
Yeah, they know who's in theirway.
Yeah, and you know they knowweak points.
You know there's no, yeah, it'snot like nobody's talking about
elephants in the room, withreps not having as many reps as
they should, not having as manydealer prep, not as many dealers
(29:42):
or as big of a dealer presence,like they know all that.
That's all you know.
There's plans.
There's things down the road.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
That's the only killer up here in Canada, right?
So when you, when you go tolike one of some of the bigger
3d shoots or if you go to Someof the sportsman shows or
whatever like Hoy always has arep there, bow tech always has a
rep there.
There's almost never a PSE guythere.
I've actually never met one inperson at any of the events and
(30:09):
there's usually a Matthews repthere sometimes.
They're usually hit or missright.
So I'm hoping they kind of,because we've got a real good
market here, especially when itcomes to like whitetail.
I'm not, Terry was crazy right,so I'm hoping they kind of.
You know the biggest problemhere is too many.
We have such a hard timegetting cool shit like you guys
have all the Dave was telling methe hoops you guys have to jump
(30:31):
through, or tourists, bro, likeif you want to get like.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I want to get you guys like HHA up there.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Bro, it's so.
Look, if you want to HHA site,it used there's a.
They're a little bit more Like,they're in shops a little more
now, but it used to beimpossible.
If you walked into a bow shoparound here and you were like,
hey, do you have any HHAequipment, they they'd look at
you like you were a crazy personand they go that's only Western
(31:00):
shops carry that stuff.
And you go what are you talkingabout?
It's just a dial on a.
It's the same as a spot hog.
Just why do you not carry thisstuff?
But yeah, it was impossible toget, and if you want like Numa
gear or if you want crypt tech,get good luck.
You got to order it from fromthe States, yeah.
And then you got to pay duties,right the good luck, like
(31:23):
you're paying extra, right it's.
It's crazy.
That is sick cuz the only onethat's here and that's cuz we
have Cabela's and Bass Pro andthey carry it anyway.
Yeah, right.
So but yeah, man, it's hard toget archery equipment here, and
and even, especially if you wantsome of the top tier stuff Like
if you wanted that new quadrest that they have at the MX2
or whatever like that yeah, likeyou buy it.
(31:44):
You guys can probably go toyour local bow shop right now.
They probably have them instock.
Yeah, I've called three shops.
Nobody has.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
And they don't know when they're gonna get them.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Interesting like at all.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Nobody has any of the new PSEs yet.
I actually got it.
No, that's a lie.
I got a text from one guy thatI know that owns a shop here
about 20 minutes from me and hetexts me goes, I just got the
new PSE 30 mock 30 in, if youwant to come look at it.
No, it's like okay, yeah.
I'm on the way.
But yeah, man, it's, it's hardto get stuff here.
(32:17):
Yeah, and it's it's weirdbecause we're like we share,
like we're basically down in thestate, like if you look how
Ontario it shaped, like Jutsdown in New America, like we're
surrounded by you guys andthere's 40 bridge, like it
shouldn't be any trouble to getit here at all.
No, but it is whatever it is.
We just we don't carry all thecool stuff like you boys do you
(32:40):
know, but did you, did you shootthe 30?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Have you, have you gone and shot?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I'm going.
I'm going tomorrow to shoot it.
Now, yesterday I shot all thenew Matthews and all the new
Hoyts, and the Hoyts are great.
I'm not a fan of the newMatthews cam.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
I've heard that.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, that too.
So you, you shot a few Hoyts inyour day, joe, have you shot
many stew.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Actually Hoyts the bow shot for more than any of
them.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Oh, have you okay?
So you know, like they're kindof hard up front and Then they
kind of break over real smoothand that's kind of been Hoyts
draw cycle for however longMatthews has always been the
opposite right, it pulls easy atthe start and then kind of
stacks on the way back Notanymore.
It's harder to break over thanany Hoyt I've ever shot.
(33:36):
Like it's heavy up front, hmm,and it does smooth out as you
get back.
But it takes a lot to breakthat cam over at first.
And when the limbs are so shortand they come in so steep, yeah
, it's that it feels weird, youknow, coming from a PSE to that.
Yeah, it's, it's strange, man,it's strange.
(33:57):
If you get a chance to shootone, shoot it for a laugh and
just see how it feels to you,but it's different.
Yeah, the rise is real straighttoo, like real straight, not a
lot of reflux reflex at allinteresting.
Yeah, I agree with you when youwere talking about the reflex
geometry, like, yeah, I don'tfind that stuff really matters.
Like the the my levitate haslike a lot of reflex.
I think it's like two and ahalf inches or something.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah, I don't find it makes that big of a difference.
Yeah, is it three?
I think I think MFJJ measuredit three or something like that,
yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
On the 30, on the mock 30.
Yeah, yeah, but those colorsthat it comes in, I know well,
that's another thing, so that'sa whole.
That's a whole nother like intheir direction.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
They're going right, like they're gonna have this
whole like because we we getthat's probably singularly the
most Asked question, right, sue,like how do I get different
colors, different camos, mix andmatch the limb pockets?
So they're doing like, right,we don't really have an answer.
The the answer is that they'redoing a PSE custom shop, so
that's what they're gonna bedoing.
Oh, that's how you have toorder it.
(35:00):
Now there are, like I thinkcrypt tech skyfall comes with
the bronze like cam in pocketbecause it goes together with
their, their camo.
Yeah but, like mine, people havebeen asking me like how do you
get the grand, like you order itthat way?
But I have, I honestly don'teven know.
(35:20):
I didn't know they didn't.
You're like me and Stuart.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Oh, they just sent you it like that.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
They sent me it.
I had it in August.
They sent it to me.
It had no sticker on the box.
It said like special carbonproject.
It was wild, oh swear to God.
And so it.
That's me.
And so we're like.
I was like.
I call it my face time andwe're pulling it out the box,
we're like what is this Like?
(35:46):
Just the goofiest like, but it,but it is it like it's nasty
yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, that's sweet.
Do you have the same color camsdo on yours, like the, the
bronze?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
No, so I all, I you know and, as Joe said, like
sometimes you just get it andit's whatever they.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
What are?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
they saying they want pictures of or something or
they want content made of.
And I was like, hey, possible,I love black, I love murdered
outbows, blackbows, and that'swhat they sent me.
So mine does not have thebronze cams or limb pockets or
anything, but I think also, soI'm a lefty, um and like,
(36:27):
usually I get stuff like afterJoe and other.
You know, it's like, uh, likethe.
When the, when my box came, itdidn't say special project, it
said Long-handed.
Oh, is that what it said?
Yeah, so, uh, so, anyway thatat least it was the, the color I
(36:52):
wanted.
But I was so hoping for, youknow, some, uh, some bronze Cams
some bronze.
Yeah, because I was gonna makeit into the mr Tebow.
I was gonna like put likefreaking gold strings on.
It was gonna be nasty Dude thatwould be sweet I might.
I might have to just swap thecans.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah, swap the cans out.
Yeah, swap the cans, swap thelimb pocket and then put some
gold strings.
That would be a sick lookingboat man.
It's probably coming.
Yeah, that would be prettysweet.
Yeah, 100%, man, you got to dothat actually.
So do they?
Do they have like stipulationson how much content you need to
create for them?
Or do they just say, look hereand just make a bunch?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Um, yeah, there's content, there's minimum
requirements.
Yeah, I figured like, typically, I mean, I shoot my camera just
about every day, um, you know,or as much as possible, so I end
up, you know, making more thanwhat they ask.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, so how did you?
How did you end up with pse?
Uh, so.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Oh, this went back to uh, I guess early in the year
23 and even end of 22, andthat's when they were kind of
going through like managementchanges, right, when they were
bought by uh, the heritage group, right, yeah, yeah and uh, so
I've never really pursued anycompany except for Uh pse
(38:16):
actually was the only one Ireally was like man I would
really.
I love the direction they weregoing, yeah, I loved the bows
they were putting out.
I was just like blown away whenI started to get you know, back
Uh on to shooting pse and and Ifelt so strongly about it that
I went after them and and youknow, um, you know, reached out
(38:37):
to them and and talked to acouple different people.
And then, uh, one day the, theCMO gave me a call and you know,
the rest was kind of history.
But, um, I think you knowtiming was probably right.
They were, you know, I saidthey were Making changes and
management changes and stufflike that.
So it was kind of, I think,honestly, just like right place,
(38:58):
right time.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah they were right in the midst of making that
change a to shift over.
I think stew froze up there.
Oh, there he is yeah, yeah, noit.
So they were right in themiddle of making those
management changes and andchanging the direction and and
picking guys up and, yeah,that's awesome man.
So what's uh?
What kind of uh camera do youuse to?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
So I've got two actually it's funny, I have one
right here.
So this is, uh, this is my r5,so it's a sony a7 r5.
Um, so this is like my monster,like photography high
resolution camera, you know,it's like you know 62 megapixel,
(39:44):
you know sensors, so you knowyou can crop tight still not
lose as much quality, right, anduh, yeah, so that's, that's
kind of my you know Go-tophotography body.
And then I have the a7, forwhich actually I had before this
and so, and it's funny becauseI was taught I called joe or joe
Joe called, I don't know.
(40:05):
Somehow we got on to it.
I was like I was about to buy anew body and, um, he turned me
on to the a7, for is like ahybrid type thing and he's, he
loves, you know, filming and youknow, really, you know he's
much better in the, thecinematography type of you know
things and and all that, than me.
And uh, he's like man, this one.
(40:26):
I like it because it kind ofdoes it all and I was looking at
the you know Megapixels and Ithink it's still 33.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah, something like that, 32, something like that.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Right, yeah, so it's still got.
You know, I mean, really 24 isplenty, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
so you know, those two bodies Ikind of inter interchanged.
Um, you know, I think the a7force kind of more set up for if
I do reels or filming oryoutube, it's, you know,
dedicated that.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
and then my r5 is kind of the the Uh photography
right, right, joe, how did youget into like the, the whole
Content, like camera game andall that stuff, like the
cinematography stuff?
Speaker 3 (41:07):
honest, I don't even know dude like I, it's just he's
just one day right.
Like you guys see like.
I don't know they they made funof my bow At tack, told me to
throw my bow away and then theycalled me later on that would so
like the camera stuff.
I had a cannon in college and,uh, I did mostly like street
photography stuff.
(41:28):
I never, I never did anylandscape.
I got my first landscape lessonfrom steward actually in montana
, um, but then at 10,000, at 10that yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that
we had to hike One and a halfand then a half back because my
our mics, because I was vloggingit, or my my mic got his mic,
my mic fell off and, uh, in themiddle of the wilderness so I
(41:53):
was like, I was like forget it.
I said forget it, it was like aday old and I had to like I had
to beg my wife, cause I hadjust bought a shotgun and
shotgun mic and she's like whatdo you need?
What do you need another mic for?
You just bought a mic and I waslike well, this is a different
mic, it's for different stuff,you do different stuff with it.
So she was already kids.
So Stuart was like there's noway we're not at least looking,
(42:15):
but it was like it was astraight up amount to go back to
where I was like.
I was like I'm good bro, Iwon't even, I won't even tell
her, we'll just, we'll just,we'll just forget a lav mic.
But we found it.
We found it and because thetransmitter was on on the camera
and the mic was on, so it'llpick the signal up after a
certain, so we like, we likemetal, detected it with the
(42:38):
camera.
Basically, oh beauty, yeah.
So we got it and it was justlike inside his footprint in the
snow.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Oh shit.
So yeah, tack must have beenfun and and.
I think that's what I'm talkingabout.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yes, it's going to be hard to get away from Montana.
I think there's such a goodsuch a good venue.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, big sky has got to be that's.
That's something else, right?
Speaker 3 (43:00):
It's pretty, you know , the lifts are nice, the
resort's nice and it's it's asmall, it's a more intimate than
like a Utah, you know, vendorvillage.
So you can kind of like you,just you like bump, you can
literally bump into Dudley,where otherwise you might go
looking for you might have to golooking for them.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Right, okay.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
There was people you'd be like.
I was like, oh, I really wantto talk to Josh Smith, but I was
like too nervous, yeah, he'salways he always had like this
face on and I was like I don'twant to go.
I'm, I'm like scared, so I justdid, so I did it.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
but you would, you would run into people.
It's weird approaching guys,right?
What?
Oh, yes, like it's just strangeto approach fellas that like
you're after watching.
You're like, are you?
You know?
Yeah, you don't have anybackground You're like.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
we saw we met MFJJ and he's he's exactly how he is
on YouTube in person.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Oh, he's no different , not even a little bit.
He's just who he is right now.
But it is weird, right, like Ifind it like, even like tonight,
like I was like, it's like Ikind of know Joe, but I've never
talked to Stu or anything likethat.
You know, it's like cause I'malways worried about like how
nervous are those guys, causethey've never talked to me and
I've never talked to them.
(44:12):
So it's always a little bit ofanxiety until you start doing it
and you're like, oh,everybody's just good shit.
Everybody loves archery, right.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
It's just let it go, and everything usually ends up
working out fine.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
See, I always tell them that everyone's always
afraid of SG.
Bro, I don't know what it is.
Oh yeah, they just like I don'tknow.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
You've got, you've got that seriousness, yeah,
right.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
You're so excited about that beard.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
You know what I'm saying?
No, it's, but we're going to.
We're going to try to makePennsylvania this year.
Okay, good, Good Cause we're.
Yeah, I'm going to Pennsylvania.
I'm leaving the rest of them ifthey don't want to come stay
home.
Yeah, I'm, I'm coming toPennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Shoot with us then, because I'm I'm having Stuart
come, unless it doesn't work foryou, stuart, but I was thinking
about having you come here andwe just drive right across, bro,
that'd be sweet, it's close,it's like maybe two hours.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah, we'll have to figure out like a campground or
a camper or something like that.
I might.
I might hook a camper up andbring it down or something like
that.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Who knows, I got to look into the?
Speaker 1 (45:11):
that'd be sweet.
The resort, yeah, all right,cool.
Yeah, we'll do a podcastequipment and we'll do like an
onsite pocket.
Yeah, it'll be sick.
Maybe we can, maybe we cantrick Dudley into getting on.
If he's there we'll be likejust come over for a minute or
something.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
We'll.
We'll have it.
We'll get him at the end of theday.
We'll get him at the end of theday.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, just drag him over, it'll be like Dudley.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
I know you're sauced out, let's go.
Here's a beer, let's go.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah, yeah, let's go check, let's put like the
barbecue and let's let's getafter it.
He'll do it.
No, I don't have to.
I hear Pennsylvania is a reallynice one.
It's big.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
It's.
It's bigger than I knew.
Is it big?
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah, yeah, Like every vendor's there, every big
name's there, Like well, becauseit's Midwest right
Pennsylvania's like the hub ofwhitetail oh yeah, Down, you
know what I mean Like there'smore whitetail guys that come
out of Pennsylvania than anyother state.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Yeah, Pennsylvania, you got guys.
I mean, I know TAC has aMichigan now, but you get guys
from New York.
You know it's it's easy to getto, so yeah, Michigan, and
Michigan and Pennsylvania arelike the same distance.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
for me they're both like five and a half.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
So yeah, I think I don't.
I've not gone to Michigan, butI've only heard good things
about, about Penn, so yeah, yeah, I like the idea of
Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
I've heard all good things about it as well.
Yeah, yeah, I think we hit thatone.
That won't be good, that'll bea good one, yeah, it's a, I
think it's a.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
It's pretty early, it's like one of the first ones,
so that's kind of nice.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Yeah, I was looking at the other day.
I was like that's real earlyright.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
And then you got, like you know, Montana and Utah,
those are towards your end,like right before elk season.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Man, that thing took off.
Eh, oh yeah, Like that, thatwhole tech thing just blew up.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Well, I heard Pennsylvania like even sold out,
like I mean really quick andlike big sky.
There was still availabilityand you know.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Oh was there.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, there was still availability and big sky for a
bit, like it didn't sell as fast.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
It's funny you mentioned that, stu, because we
were trying to get to Dave and Iand my brother had planned to
go to Michigan last year andthey opened up ticket sales and
then, like within an hour and ahalf, they were all gone, like
that yeah.
I was like, oh well, I guessI'm not going to attack this
year, but I should have.
(47:35):
I should have bit the bulletand just bought one for big sky
and went.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Like I should have just flew to big sky and called
like fuck it.
You know what I mean.
Right, and next time I will.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Right what's?
Speaker 1 (47:47):
that, stu?
Is it a good time?
Yeah, he's awesome.
Yeah, man Montana, I bet, isbeautiful dude.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Yeah, I've never been before that trip and it's
definitely like I love it.
It's just the colors.
Yeah, you know, I spent time inNew Mexico and stuff with my
hunts, but never like so.
I haven't done a Utah hun, Ihaven't done an Idaho, I haven't
done a Colorado.
So like seeing the different Idon't know the trees, like the
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different trees, like there wasmore like blues and greens than
there were from what I'm, youwas used to seeing out, you know
, west, like in New Mexico andstuff, so it was really pretty.
The terrain, I think, was alittle more.
I don't I don't want toundersell New Mexico, but I feel
like it's a little more intense, a little more difficult.
Yeah, or I just was completelyout of shape at that point, I
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don't know, I was gas, dude, gas.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
That's a lot of muscle to carry around.
Oh, but you got to fuel allthat muscle with oxygen.
You know what I mean.
Like that's hard to do.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
You was making fun of me, because my mic was just
picking up the whole time.
Just breathing heavy Just likea slight grade, but we were
above.
We're above 8,500.
So anything, it didn't matterwhat I was doing.
I could have been.
I was out of breath frombreathing.
You know, like it was just likeyou're sucking wind because
you're so high up.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Right, yeah, and the the fortunate career of I worked
a lot of oil and gas stuff.
So I've been out like toAlberta and stuff like that,
which is basically like Montanafor us, right, and it's, it's
crazy and like being in theRockies and stuff like that, and
I've been up around likeNunavut and Northwest
Territories and all that stuffwhere it never gets dark and
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shit Like it's such a weirdthing.
But yeah, some of the scenery,man, like that, that Montana
rolling hills sort of thing,like Southern Alberta has the
same thing.
It's pretty impressive, man,it's.
It's something that is pretty,but the elevation does get you.
Oh, yeah, for sure, especiallyif you're not used to it.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
No, I live at you know 800 feet or something.
Yeah, exactly, you're not real.
You're not real high up.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
No, I know, man, I know Well, boys, I appreciate
you doing it.
We're pulling up on 50 minutesso I won't.
I won't eat up anymore of yourtime, boys.
But thanks a lot, stu.
I appreciate you coming up.
Buddy, you have an openinvitation.
Whatever you want to come onagain, you let me know.
Joe, obviously, whatever youwant buddy.
We got to get you guys on fulldraw as well.
Yeah, to talk a little, bitArchie.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah, 100% Okay.
Boys, thank you very much forcoming on, Thanks man, take it
easy, man, all right Thanks, allright Thanks, all right Thanks
man.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
All right, Thanks man , Thanks man, Thanks man.
Take it easy man.
All right, Thanks man, Thanksman, Thanks, Thanks man.
Welcome back.
We've got Joe's back, obviously, and his partner in crime, stu.
The boys are staff shooters forPSE.
You boys have been busy.
Yeah, dude, absolutely yeah,man.
You guys got lots of news.
I'm dying to hear about the newbows, but we'll start.
You guys had a little trip toJoe's neck of the woods.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, I got to.
Got to go up into down in Ohio.
Yeah, got to chase somewhitetail and man, that was a
blast, it was a good time.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh, I bet.
So where are you?
Where are you from, Stu?
Where are you located?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
So I'm located in Alabama, like South Alabama.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Oh shit, okay, Right on.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, so it was a little hop skip and a jump up
there, but easy peasy and yeah,what's the difference in the
whitetail situation between youguys?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I guess it is it better in Joe's neck of the
woods or Alabama's a littlebetter.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Well, I think I mean I've hunted whitetail all over
the place and I really reallyenjoy like North and Midwest
whitetail because it's like theybehave like whitetail should
behave.
Okay, and as you get likefurther South, like in Alabama,
they we have probably morenumbers of whitetail than most
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states.
I mean I think we have morewhitetail than you put in the
population, which I guess it'snot in Alabama, but they're
super skittish, I mean justcracked out kind of whitetail
Gosh.
You get it Way more than thetypical whitetail and haunting
them is pretty, pretty difficult.
It's extremely like thick, youknow nasty, swamp type stuff.
(02:01):
You know they're not as big.
I really have always saidthey're like a subspecies of
kind of your typical, maybeMidwestern whitetail or
something like that.
I think what we have is like astrain of like coastal whitetail
deer, but yeah, they're likemeth dialed or something, I'm
not sure.
So I enjoy getting up north andout of you know my area to hunt
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them, getting after some biggerfellas.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Absolutely.
Yeah, we have back home, whereI'm originally from in
Newfoundland, we have like thewhole province only has half a
million people and there's280,000 moose.
Oh, wow, that we know of right.
So like the population of mooseis like real close to the
population and the whole island.
So I know what you mean when,like when you say the deer
(02:47):
population is probably higher,they tend to get a bit bigger
than more north.
You go right yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, oh, yeah.
I mean like what we have isalmost like kind of similar to
like a coos deer or something.
I mean like if you shoot likethat's small, right, they're
well, I mean, I guess, well,that much smaller.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the olderbucks will get a little bigger,
but you know, like you know racksize, I mean if you shoot a 120
, like that's like really likedoing something, oh, that's a
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monster.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Hey, oh yeah, oh yeah .
No kidding, joe, you shot that.
That one you shot was prettybig.
What was that?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Stu, oh, you didn't measure it.
You like me.
No, I was just like I was justpumped that it's a bit.
It's a bigger deer that I'veseen harvest from the farm in a
minute.
But I don't know, stu, you likeroughed him.
You just were like eyeballedhim and were like, yeah, he's
probably.
I don't remember what you said,but we didn't.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, he's probably.
He's probably 120, like low120s, yeah, and because he was a
10, I think that's what got himinto that range, right, but
just a really, really prettydeer.
I mean, like you know, longtimes, which helps to score out
quite a bit.
That's something you know.
You don't always have a choice,but when I'm looking for them,
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you know it's your main beamsand time length is.
That's where your score is.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Oh, that's where the majority of it comes from.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, time, time length, number of times.
Time length is big for that andkind of like where that main
beam if you ever look like sideprofile, and where that main
beam kind of comes out and stops.
If it's, you know, hitting thattip of the nose or something
like that, you've got a prettygood size.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
But yeah, I'm still trying to figure out how
everybody scores whitetail.
I'm pretty new to the whitetailgame because we don't have them
back there, and so I'm stilltrying to figure.
Everybody's talking G twos andthis and that I'm like just
somebody show it to me, forGod's sake.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
That's how I was.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
There's a lot to know , man Right.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Was it?
Yeah, you're kind of like Idon't know Where'd you say.
He was like oh, he's got a nice.
His G three is real nice, likegood point.
I was like I was accounting itto.
Oh, okay, this one is the one.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
There's a lot to know about it.
Right, like most, like the guysthat are in the whitetail.
Like no the game.
Yeah, like heavy right.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Well like if you've, like I've, hunted some places
that really really manage their,their deer like really strict
and like you, you you have toget a pretty quick crash course
if you don't know what you'redoing in there, because
otherwise you'll get in troublepretty, pretty fast with some of
those guys.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
They want you to only harvest certain age deer and
certain size and stuff like that.
Hey, yeah, yeah, you guys areserious about your whitetail
down there.
Oh yeah, you don't.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Right, so you know we don't have an elk and all that
that fun stuff.
So whitetails kind of name ofthe game.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Right, right.
I mean, how many states have?
I mean I think the range of elkin the States is a lot smaller
than it was way back in the day,right, like it's kind of shrunk
down a lot.
Probably Aren't theyreintroducing, I mean?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
they've reintroduced and you know some of the the
East there and you know even.
Wisconsin some.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Pennsylvania is got supposed to be killer elk.
Oh yeah, yeah, but it's the tagis like nutty, like real hard
to get, but real good, real goodelk out of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, it's, it's the same.
Here We've got we've got likefour management units where you
can apply for elk, but theyissue 22 tags a year out of 2800
people that apply.
So your chance like I mean it'slike an Ontario elk is like
once in a lifetime, if you'reeven lucky to get it.
Yeah, it's, it's, yeah, it'scrazy, right, but I mean you
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apply every year and cross yourfingers and hope for the best
and see what happens, right,well, why not?
Well, you have to right, it'sthe same with moose here.
Like it's the.
The lottery draw for moose ispretty crazy.
Most guys get a set of tagsonce every 10 years.
So I already told me and Joealready talked about it.
But I'll give you a littlebackground stew.
(07:01):
I'm a little spoiled.
Growing up in Newfoundland, wehave so many moose there that
you get a set of tags everysecond year.
Wow, like no problem.
So I would get a set of tagsone year.
My brother would get a set oftags one year.
My dad would get a set of tagsat the same time as us.
My mom might get a set.
So we might have to hunt threemoose a year.
(07:23):
So I'm spoiled, rotten right,and then come here and it's like
well, you can hunt white tail.
Yeah, good luck on anythingelse.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
You're like oh, you have to have to hunt three a
year.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, exactly Like you don't have a choice.
And even caribou, like caribou,was an easy tag growing up back
there.
It was, but you couldn't applyfor moose and caribou, you were
only allowed to apply for one,right?
But I mean, that's such, a suchan advantage if you're a big
game guy, because how many guysget to hunt a caribou?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
No, I would love to.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, it's rare, right, like it's not an easy tag
to get anywhere else.
But we were so spoiled backthere and it's like moose are
like white tailed us, and thenyou come here and everybody's
dreaming of a moose on.
You're like oh I've, we've beenthere a million times.
It's weird, but we should, oneday, you boys should come up,
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we'll go there and we'll hunt acaribou or a hunt a moose.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, that means, oh yeah, that'd be crazy Sweet yeah
.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
We'll do it, we'll figure it a way to set it up.
We're actually going to hunt amy mom's tags this year for her,
so the only stipulation is shehas to be with us.
Perfect yeah, yeah yeah, maybeone year we can.
We can work at where we'll geta set of tags on a caribou.
You boys come up, you shoot it.
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I'm telling you you'd have agreat time and it's all like
it's all barren rocky landscapewith like patches of like bog
and stuff like that.
So it's all open, it's easywalking in caribou country.
Yeah, not much country's brutal, yeah, but yeah, you guys would
really love it.
Man, that'd be sick, yeah, yeahdefinitely.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Caribou is definitely on the top of my list.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, it's what's.
Is it hard for you boys to gettags in Alaska?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
um, I mean, I guess it depends on the tag.
I've not looked at it yeah, Ithink there's no bear.
Tags and stuff like that areprobably a dime a dozen.
I think the biggest hurdle is,you know, you probably need an
outfitter and and things likethat to like get back to places
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so yeah, and that's where themoney comes in.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Right is when you got a pan outfitter and a guide to
get you in there.
It's just, it gets.
It gets nutty.
10 $15,000 hunts, right.
I don't know, have you boysseen I don't know if you you
watch any a crispy stuff, butdid you see his, his new caribou
hunt?
Yeah, I watched it the otherday.
They shot three dude.
It was wild that young fellathat shot him with a rifle.
(10:02):
He must have been 15 years old,yeah, so my, my son was
watching that with me.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
He was, he was, you know, he watches a lot of crispy
and he was wanting to watchthat.
And he was like, oh my god,that kid's like not much older
than me, like he, and he gets todo that like dad.
Don't you feel jealous?
I'm like no man.
I mean I'm happy for him.
It's cool he got to do that.
You know like you should behappy for him.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, you can't be envious of it right like it is
what it is, but it's.
That's pretty impressive huntfor a for you like that to go on
an experience man like that's abig deal.
He's got future ahead of him.
No, no, you're sure once he youknow, yeah, yeah, he's
definitely crispy.
I mean, learning from that guywhen it comes to archery is
pretty good.
(10:46):
You're a lucky dude, you know,yeah, yeah.
So the new bows boys how arethey which?
What?
What ones are you shootingcurrently and how how different
do you find them from lastyear's stuff?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
you go first, do it because you have the levitate
experience okay, so, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
So carbons.
Let me first say, like the PSE,carbons are special.
I mean, don't, don't you havethe levitate in the easy?
Yeah, so you know, you knowwhat's up.
So and I will say, like the,that was my first carbon bow
getting that and I struggled alittle bit to get used to the
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lightweight and try to get whereit would like hold and balance,
and it really just came down tolike get my stabilizers right.
And once I had that right, Iwas like, holy cow, this is I'm
not.
It's gonna be hard to go backto aluminum.
Yeah, you gotta get your weightright, right, yeah, exactly
100%.
You know, once I, once I gotthat settled, it was, it was off
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to the races, so have thelevitate.
And then they sent me the Mach34 as well, so I had that to
kind of compare to.
And now the new Mach 30.
The levitate was always like itreally was like special place
for me.
I love a 32 axle to axle bow.
Yeah, I love how it held, Ilove the performance, like it.
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I was surprised how fat, howmuch speed you actually get out
of that, like really smooth cam.
Yeah, I was like wow, you know,I was, you know, I think two
nineties or something, and itwas only pulling, like you know,
69 pounds or something with a460 or 455 grain arrow.
So what do you?
What are you pulling that?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
for draw length 29.
Okay, so you're right in theright in that money.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Spot on that bow then yeah, yeah, so a little over 29
.
So I couldn't imagine likeanything kind of like being
better.
And then you know the Mach 30comes and I'm like and me and
Joe talked about it just like,oh, you're gonna love it, it's
right in your wheelhouse, youknow.
Like you know being 29, youknow draw link, that's 28, 29.
(12:57):
I would say really like thatbows gonna shine for for that,
oh sure, that's right, yeah.
But I've always like not reallyloved short axle to axle bows
and like short, I mean like 30and under, is to me like kind of
short, yeah.
But when I got it, I mean likeI think I text Joe was like holy
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get, like it took me nothing toget it set up.
Yeah, it set up so easily, ittuned so easily.
And I mean I've had someexperience with with the, you
know, the PSE carbons andgetting them, getting them, you
know, ready to shoot.
But I remember like shootingthe first arrow and like
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noticing, like you just know,sometimes when a bow is fast,
like that arrow is just it'sit's whipping and I was like,
wow, so speed wise, I couldn'twait to get it through a chrono
and actually it's pretty muchthere with a levitate in terms
of speed, pretty, yeah, so it'sfast, really really fast.
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I love some of the new featureson it.
So some of the gripes that youknow I had on the levitate is
like man, I wish this had a pickmount.
Well, now you got a pick mountright, yeah, and I love on a PSE
running my stabilizer in thatbottom stabilizer bracket.
Oh, down low, yeah, so you'vegot the two.
Like I loved it.
On the Omen, the Fortis, like Ilove that weight just being
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lower.
For me it just, I don't know itholds better.
Sure, center of gravity, youknow, lower below the riser the
better, yeah, and you know, so,having that, I was pretty stoked
on that.
I love the look of the newriser.
So, anyway, aesthetically itlooks friggin badass.
In my opinion, the new featuresmake it.
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Now there's really nothing moreyou can ask for in terms of you
know where to put a sight andall that you know tuned up
nicely, and in terms of shootingit, I really really like it.
So, yeah, it's like tell you'refired up a bit, you like, yeah,
oh, it's sweet, it's.
It's a sweet little boat, soeasy to carry around, it's so
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easy in the tree stand.
I've hunted, you know, in theground blotting what's with it.
Now you know it is firing outand we were surprised, so I
think I'd had the bow like maybea week and a half before I went
to Ohio with Joe and he's gotthis dope ass freaking public
archery range.
That is.
You've seen it in the videoshe's got his own private spot
(15:30):
there yeah, so I traveled to, Imade the, you know I traveled to
the Mecca and made, made myvoyage to the Mecca and Ohio Joe
archery range and yeah, we weresending them, you know, 60
yards and I mean like the firsttwo shots were like touching on
that good.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, it's crazy, it's surprising, it is it's,
it's that steady for a 30 inchbow?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
hey, yeah so 30 inch, six inch brace.
But so we talked about this alittle bit.
We did like a Q&A live to likekind of give some people some
answers on some of the stuffwe're seeing through DMs and
stuff right, I've got it saved.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Oh perfect, actually I haven't watched, yeah, but I'm
gonna.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
So we touch on this.
But, like the guys at PSC, theygave us some some talking
points and, you know, full draw,stability, that whole piece.
I think a lot of people I don'tknow if we talked about this or
not, cj, but like I think a lotof people think it's like yeah,
it's just some marketing orwhatever, right, right but
there's yeah what it's doing,like what they've engineered
(16:29):
into their cam.
It's, it's a bunch of things.
It's it's the rocker position,the angle of the limbs, the you
know people kind of stay on.
Yeah, the width of the pocket.
I know people gripe on likereflex and brace height, but you
got to look at like youreffective brace height at full
draw.
So like what they you know,without saying how they did it,
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because eventually you know thecompetition will steal that too,
like wide lip pockets are theflavor of the day now, without
saying what it is that what'shappening, but your effective
brace height is lengthening soit effectively is a seven inch
brace height at full draw.
So when you shoot it, oh, I see, okay, very obviously tell it,
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does not shoot like a six inchbrace height, it's.
You know, I shot six inch brace.
I've shot 30 inch bows.
They are a little twitch here,they are a little all over the
place, but this one isn't.
So without knowing thatbackground, it's, it's easy to
like be put off by thedimensions or the inches of
reflex or how long or short thebrace height is, but it's one of
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those like I tell people this alot on, just go shoot it, you
know, yeah, think what you'rethinking, but just shoot it and
then like feel what happens andthen then get back to me and let
me know, because I totally getthe short bow, you know
leariness than initial leariness, but it's, it is like he said,
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like we were like laughing, likeI don't know if I just got more
used to the grip, you know,coming from like a big chunky
ultra view grip to the carbongrips, but I swear I was
grouping better at 60 with thatthan my 34, which doesn't.
That makes no sense.
But the 34 was my first bow.
You know to get used to thatgrip and that angle and the
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width and everything.
So I don't know, it's a freaky.
Whatever they did it's, it's afreaky bow.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
It's.
It's, you're right, becauseit's hard to to lock down.
Like I shot Hoyt for a longtime too, at 30 inches and I
never had any problems.
I had great groups, they wereall tight and I did switch to a
Matthews 29 for a minute and Icouldn't get that thing to
settle.
The pin float was insane.
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I couldn't do anything so I hadto move it and when I did I
went to the levitate and stufflike that.
Now, like that thing shoots sogood for me that I'll never
steer away from it again and thewider limb system works great.
And I've shot a lot of pscs fora long time.
Like I had the embark, I hadthe NT and all those guys and
that like psc just kind of fitsyou right.
(19:06):
Sometimes a bow just fit yeahyeah, and it sounds like you've
got that going on with that Mach30 Right, like something about
it.
Just everything lines up foryou boys and it works good.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I think yeah yeah, sir.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, so it's.
It's funny you say that.
So I had.
You know, I shot Matthews for asmall stand and I could get
them to shoot.
Well, but that you know thepoint of like a bow, like
agreeing with you or like youknow, you like you jive with,
like certain bows and I don'tknow if it was the grip of them
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and I shot.
Let's see, I shot a 30,whatever their, the One of the
first 30s on that platform Ican't remember the name of it at
the moment, like the xr orsomething like that even before
the vias VxR had.
Okay, yeah, it was, I can'tremember, but I shot that.
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I shot that they had a had a 27.
I pointed around with the V3.
Was it a V3 27?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, I think is V3.
Your V3 X was a 27.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Or like maybe, maybe some people out there don't
don't agree and love it, but Icould.
That bow made me question mywhole or anything I ever knew
about archery life, like Ithought I I needed to go take
lessons, I swear to God.
So I Went from the 27 to the 31and I was like, okay, this is,
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this is better, but still likeit.
Just, I just struggled with it.
So Then I went to from that,all those, I tried those.
I had the 33, I had the 29,okay, but the my, my stent back
at PSC was the Omen and by alllike specs there's.
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It should have been everyreason for me not to like that
bow, because it's a short, shortrace, I right.
Five and a half inch braceheight.
Yeah, I love the 33 axle toaxle but like, again, like they
defy physics.
There's something they're doingthat defies physics, that makes
, yeah, from a spec sheet whatshould be a horrible twitchy bow
to something that's actuallyextremely accurate and works.
(21:21):
And it works, man, really Imean it's a killer.
And that's really how I feelabout a lot of their bows.
I love the, the grips and itjust they're, they're very, very
accurate and and and to methat's that's key.
Okay, it might not be it.
You know as quiet, you know as,as you know what they, what
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they do on the Matthews, butthey're very quiet, they're
quiet enough.
You know my guide, yeah forsure you know so.
And like the thing on, likesome of the bows, like people
shoot them, you know, in a shopand it's like you know they
spend a few minutes shooting itat five feet or 15 yards or 20
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yards, and I think, like youknow not to talk bad about any
bow companies, but like Matthewshas, I think, from a shot
experience, they have won thewar, they've won the battle at
like 10, 15 yards, like they're.
They feel great, yeah, but forme I just cannot.
You know, I just shoot otherbows more accurately.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
But you're right, it certain bows drive with certain
people, right.
So my brother shoots a Matthews31 inch v3 that the Matthews
bows work for him.
He shoots him.
Great yeah, and he shoots theoriginal grip, oh, and he loves
he's Only fellas.
(22:45):
Do I've ever met in my life whowill sit in front of you and
say I like the Matthews stockgrip?
You go, nobody likes theMatthews stock grip.
What are you talking about?
He loves him Can't get enough ofit.
I'm like, oh, I don't know howhe does it, but yeah, but you're
right, man.
And as soon as I went back toPSE everything kind of came back
to me and it felt right and andI did go to a longer axelax,
(23:08):
obviously the 32 and a quarteron a on a levitate, but you know
, and they sit better in my hand.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And I think that's really it.
I think, whatever theergonomics of the grip and how
it sits and Holds, I mean,that's your accuracy, you know
oh for sure, my, my favorite bowof all time was my NTN.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, I love that bow .
What was the first evolved camI ever shot?
And I thought when I pulledthat thing for the first time I
went when is this been?
Yeah, my whole life like thisis amazing.
And then like you said it wasfast.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, I had somebody DM me the other day saying like
oh they need to bring back theNTN wire.
Why have you know?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So there's, there's a , there's some NTN.
You know fans out there forsure.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
They need to bring it back with the EC2 cam just to
get that little bit extra speedout of it.
I know the NT.
The EC2 was pretty much thesame cam as the evolve cam, just
wider bearings, right.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, it just fits that wider limb pocket.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, it's no, the geometry on the actual wheel is
no different.
Right, yeah, this is the same.
Yeah.
So, joey, you, you're shootingthe, the 33 Eva evolved DS.
Now, right.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, so I, I it's for whitetail.
It's hard to get away from thatshort warm Riser now that it's
different below we're in the 30sand stuff nice that warm carbon
is nice I hate to be like.
You know, people like well, it'slike two seconds, I pull my bow
off and hold it.
I'll deal with it.
It's like I get it, but it'snice.
(24:42):
Yeah, it's nice, just it's likeanother.
It's pretty little thing.
So it the two, was it two weeks, two sets ago, like two weeks
ago, I had both bows with me andI was like all right.
Last second decision I threwthe, I threw the evolve in the
Kubota and I drove out and thenI made the best shot I've made
on animal so to date on withthat bow and I think, like I Saw
(25:08):
their release.
So when it came out, came outthe day after the, the 30 and
and right at a target archergoing through why he liked it.
You know, I want something thatis going to be built like stable
, forgiving, shoots like atarget rig but is dead and quiet
.
The bow is just comfortable.
(25:29):
I mean, I don't have the 30, Ihave the 33, you know, and like
Stuart told me is, like you knowyou're gonna, you're gonna fall
into that bow, just like youfell into the 34 because it just
fits you better.
You know the 30, I'm shootingit almost an inch short because
that's where it's at on the EC2,which is fine for tree stand
stuff.
Yeah, but I'm like a 16th offof 31 inches on that bow and
(25:53):
it's just comfortable.
Angling down is comfortable,it's just comfortable.
It's comfortable shoots flat.
I didn't even yeah, you know ittuned piece of cake tuning with
that easy to 20.
I had a slight tear.
We pressed it me and stood I'mlike I know, in the back of my
head.
I was like I know the last thepaper tear I had was, you know,
I had a slight right.
So we shimmed it, didn't evenreconfirm it, stuart.
(26:16):
We did our stuff with the 30and then the next week I went
out.
I Didn't even recite check siteor anything.
I was like, all right, shouldbe good, and it just slams.
Dude, the bow is just, it'sdead.
That that's a tack bow, like ifyou were building just a tack
bow.
But you also on that 33 isstupid.
It's uh, it's dead.
It's weighted well, it'slighter.
(26:38):
I believe, based off of whatStuart said, a little bit and
the Fortis, because I don't knowthe Fortis, I love it.
I love it.
Pick rail, lower bushing, youknow, shock pod, the whole deal,
like the bows, just it's, it'scomfortable.
It's definitely a comfortable,especially if you're outside it
at 30 inches draw.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, I'm super pumped that they're going with
all the accessories now, likethe pick rail and then the the
integrated mounts on the back,and that they've got Like
cutouts in the riser for like anupcoming quiver right, like
yeah so.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
So Stuart knows a little bit more than I do.
There's a one-piece and atwo-piece.
They'll mount directly intoyour riser Coming from PSA yeah.
Yeah, they're that's.
They should be coming soon.
They're out like I've seen them.
I don't have one, but they're,they're, they're coming like for
everybody, that's.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
that's like the only thing they've been missing,
right?
Yeah, I think so, like theaccessory accessories.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yeah.
Yeah, and that's what me andyou talked about, I think the
last time.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, because Matthews and Hoyt has their own.
Yeah, oh yeah they work so welltogether.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, I know, that's the thing like you see has it
like yeah, matthews, theiraccessories are like pretty
top-notch, hoyt, I I never likeI had their quivers and stuff.
I never really liked them quiteas much as I.
As the the low-pro I thoughtwas like really well done for a
quiver, yeah, yeah.
But yeah, I think that's amissing piece and they're they
(28:04):
know that that's something theywant to have and so they're
gonna have it.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Dude, I love the direction they're heading in.
Oh, I think they're on theright path for everything.
Yeah, 100% and yeah, yeah, andthey've got, they've got a cool
feel about whatever's going onthere, like the atmosphere Seems
great, like that.
Just the commercial alone thatthey put out to release it with
Dudley and it's.
(28:30):
Everybody else does.
Like those serious commercials.
I was just yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I know there's was so much fun it's just you know
they know, they know exactly,man.
They know they know what they'rebringing to the table.
I mean, and the guys that thatrepresent a, you know, ownership
and I Mean I talked to stewabout this all the time.
I was like I told you this toobecause it was right after our
conversation with Stuart is likeyou know, there's Sort of these
old dynasty brands, you know,like the one behind you, and
(28:57):
then there's, like you know,matthews has deep.
You know they've done theirtime.
They had their bad bows.
They think you know we're moreof an apparel line than they
were a bow manufacturer and thena boat, and then they took over
, you know, and it's, you knowit's a story as old as time.
You know the hungrier, you knowthe hungrier person, is the one
that goes and goes longer.
You know I'm zoom.
Yeah, so, pete for sure, youknow Kings will fall, dynasties
(29:20):
fall.
You know everything, but aslong as the company, I think,
has that drive, these guysDefinitely know where they are
and where they want to be.
Yeah, they know who's in theirway.
Yeah, and you know they knowweak points.
You know there's no, yeah, it'snot like nobody's talking about
elephants in the room, withreps not having as many reps as
they should, not having as manydealer prep, not as many dealers
(29:42):
or as big of a dealer presence,like they know all that.
That's all you know.
There's plans.
There's things down the road.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
That's the only killer up here in Canada, right?
So when you, when you go tolike one of some of the bigger
3d shoots or if you go to Someof the sportsman shows or
whatever like Hoy always has arep there, bow tech always has a
rep there.
There's almost never a PSE guythere.
I've actually never met one inperson at any of the events and
(30:09):
there's usually a Matthews repthere sometimes.
They're usually hit or missright.
So I'm hoping they kind of,because we've got a real good
market here, especially when itcomes to like whitetail.
I'm not, Terry was crazy right,so I'm hoping they kind of.
You know the biggest problemhere is too many.
We have such a hard timegetting cool shit like you guys
have all the Dave was telling methe hoops you guys have to jump
(30:31):
through, or tourists, bro, likeif you want to get like.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I want to get you guys like HHA up there.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Bro, it's so.
Look, if you want to HHA site,it used there's a.
They're a little bit more Like,they're in shops a little more
now, but it used to beimpossible.
If you walked into a bow shoparound here and you were like,
hey, do you have any HHAequipment, they they'd look at
you like you were a crazy personand they go that's only Western
(31:00):
shops carry that stuff.
And you go what are you talkingabout?
It's just a dial on a.
It's the same as a spot hog.
Just why do you not carry thisstuff?
But yeah, it was impossible toget, and if you want like Numa
gear or if you want crypt tech,get good luck.
You got to order it from fromthe States, yeah.
And then you got to pay duties,right the good luck, like
(31:23):
you're paying extra, right it's.
It's crazy.
That is sick cuz the only onethat's here and that's cuz we
have Cabela's and Bass Pro andthey carry it anyway.
Yeah, right.
So but yeah, man, it's hard toget archery equipment here, and
and even, especially if you wantsome of the top tier stuff Like
if you wanted that new quadrest that they have at the MX2
or whatever like that yeah, likeyou buy it.
(31:44):
You guys can probably go toyour local bow shop right now.
They probably have them instock.
Yeah, I've called three shops.
Nobody has.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
And they don't know when they're gonna get them.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Interesting like at all.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Nobody has any of the new PSEs yet.
I actually got it.
No, that's a lie.
I got a text from one guy thatI know that owns a shop here
about 20 minutes from me and hetexts me goes, I just got the
new PSE 30 mock 30 in, if youwant to come look at it.
No, it's like okay, yeah.
I'm on the way.
But yeah, man, it's, it's hardto get stuff here.
(32:17):
Yeah, and it's it's weirdbecause we're like we share,
like we're basically down in thestate, like if you look how
Ontario it shaped, like Jutsdown in New America, like we're
surrounded by you guys andthere's 40 bridge, like it
shouldn't be any trouble to getit here at all.
No, but it is whatever it is.
We just we don't carry all thecool stuff like you boys do you
(32:40):
know, but did you, did you shootthe 30?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Have you, have you gone and shot?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I'm going.
I'm going tomorrow to shoot it.
Now, yesterday I shot all thenew Matthews and all the new
Hoyts, and the Hoyts are great.
I'm not a fan of the newMatthews cam.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
I've heard that.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, that too.
So you, you shot a few Hoyts inyour day, joe, have you shot
many stew.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Actually Hoyts the bow shot for more than any of
them.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Oh, have you okay?
So you know, like they're kindof hard up front and Then they
kind of break over real smoothand that's kind of been Hoyts
draw cycle for however longMatthews has always been the
opposite right, it pulls easy atthe start and then kind of
stacks on the way back Notanymore.
It's harder to break over thanany Hoyt I've ever shot.
(33:36):
Like it's heavy up front, hmm,and it does smooth out as you
get back.
But it takes a lot to breakthat cam over at first.
And when the limbs are so shortand they come in so steep, yeah
, it's that it feels weird, youknow, coming from a PSE to that.
Yeah, it's, it's strange, man,it's strange.
(33:57):
If you get a chance to shootone, shoot it for a laugh and
just see how it feels to you,but it's different.
Yeah, the rise is real straighttoo, like real straight, not a
lot of reflux reflex at allinteresting.
Yeah, I agree with you when youwere talking about the reflex
geometry, like, yeah, I don'tfind that stuff really matters.
Like the the my levitate haslike a lot of reflex.
I think it's like two and ahalf inches or something.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah, I don't find it makes that big of a difference.
Yeah, is it three?
I think I think MFJJ measuredit three or something like that,
yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
On the 30, on the mock 30.
Yeah, yeah, but those colorsthat it comes in, I know well,
that's another thing, so that'sa whole.
That's a whole nother like intheir direction.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
They're going right, like they're gonna have this
whole like because we we getthat's probably singularly the
most Asked question, right, sue,like how do I get different
colors, different camos, mix andmatch the limb pockets?
So they're doing like, right,we don't really have an answer.
The the answer is that they'redoing a PSE custom shop, so
that's what they're gonna bedoing.
Oh, that's how you have toorder it.
(35:00):
Now there are, like I thinkcrypt tech skyfall comes with
the bronze like cam in pocketbecause it goes together with
their, their camo.
Yeah but, like mine, people havebeen asking me like how do you
get the grand, like you order itthat way?
But I have, I honestly don'teven know.
(35:20):
I didn't know they didn't.
You're like me and Stuart.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Oh, they just sent you it like that.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
They sent me it.
I had it in August.
They sent it to me.
It had no sticker on the box.
It said like special carbonproject.
It was wild, oh swear to God.
And so it.
That's me.
And so we're like.
I was like.
I call it my face time andwe're pulling it out the box,
we're like what is this Like?
(35:46):
Just the goofiest like, but it,but it is it like it's nasty
yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, that's sweet.
Do you have the same color camsdo on yours, like the, the
bronze?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
No, so I all, I you know and, as Joe said, like
sometimes you just get it andit's whatever they.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
What are?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
they saying they want pictures of or something or
they want content made of.
And I was like, hey, possible,I love black, I love murdered
outbows, blackbows, and that'swhat they sent me.
So mine does not have thebronze cams or limb pockets or
anything, but I think also, soI'm a lefty, um and like,
(36:27):
usually I get stuff like afterJoe and other.
You know, it's like, uh, likethe.
When the, when my box came, itdidn't say special project, it
said Long-handed.
Oh, is that what it said?
Yeah, so, uh, so, anyway thatat least it was the, the color I
(36:52):
wanted.
But I was so hoping for, youknow, some, uh, some bronze Cams
some bronze.
Yeah, because I was gonna makeit into the mr Tebow.
I was gonna like put likefreaking gold strings on.
It was gonna be nasty Dude thatwould be sweet I might.
I might have to just swap thecans.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah, swap the cans out.
Yeah, swap the cans, swap thelimb pocket and then put some
gold strings.
That would be a sick lookingboat man.
It's probably coming.
Yeah, that would be prettysweet.
Yeah, 100%, man, you got to dothat actually.
So do they?
Do they have like stipulationson how much content you need to
create for them?
Or do they just say, look hereand just make a bunch?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Um, yeah, there's content, there's minimum
requirements.
Yeah, I figured like, typically, I mean, I shoot my camera just
about every day, um, you know,or as much as possible, so I end
up, you know, making more thanwhat they ask.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, so how did you?
How did you end up with pse?
Uh, so.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Oh, this went back to uh, I guess early in the year
23 and even end of 22, andthat's when they were kind of
going through like managementchanges, right, when they were
bought by uh, the heritage group, right, yeah, yeah and uh, so
I've never really pursued anycompany except for Uh pse
(38:16):
actually was the only one Ireally was like man I would
really.
I love the direction they weregoing, yeah, I loved the bows
they were putting out.
I was just like blown away whenI started to get you know, back
Uh on to shooting pse and and Ifelt so strongly about it that
I went after them and and youknow, um, you know, reached out
(38:37):
to them and and talked to acouple different people.
And then, uh, one day the, theCMO gave me a call and you know,
the rest was kind of history.
But, um, I think you knowtiming was probably right.
They were, you know, I saidthey were Making changes and
management changes and stufflike that.
So it was kind of, I think,honestly, just like right place,
(38:58):
right time.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah they were right in the midst of making that
change a to shift over.
I think stew froze up there.
Oh, there he is yeah, yeah, noit.
So they were right in themiddle of making those
management changes and andchanging the direction and and
picking guys up and, yeah,that's awesome man.
So what's uh?
What kind of uh camera do youuse to?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
So I've got two actually it's funny, I have one
right here.
So this is, uh, this is my r5,so it's a sony a7 r5.
Um, so this is like my monster,like photography high
resolution camera, you know,it's like you know 62 megapixel,
(39:44):
you know sensors, so you knowyou can crop tight still not
lose as much quality, right, anduh, yeah, so that's, that's
kind of my you know Go-tophotography body.
And then I have the a7, forwhich actually I had before this
and so, and it's funny becauseI was taught I called joe or joe
Joe called, I don't know.
(40:05):
Somehow we got on to it.
I was like I was about to buy anew body and, um, he turned me
on to the a7, for is like ahybrid type thing and he's, he
loves, you know, filming and youknow, really, you know he's
much better in the, thecinematography type of you know
things and and all that, than me.
And uh, he's like man, this one.
(40:26):
I like it because it kind ofdoes it all and I was looking at
the you know Megapixels and Ithink it's still 33.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah, something like that, 32, something like that.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Right, yeah, so it's still got.
You know, I mean, really 24 isplenty, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
so you know, those two bodies Ikind of inter interchanged.
Um, you know, I think the a7force kind of more set up for if
I do reels or filming oryoutube, it's, you know,
dedicated that.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
and then my r5 is kind of the the Uh photography
right, right, joe, how did youget into like the, the whole
Content, like camera game andall that stuff, like the
cinematography stuff?
Speaker 3 (41:07):
honest, I don't even know dude like I, it's just he's
just one day right.
Like you guys see like.
I don't know they they made funof my bow At tack, told me to
throw my bow away and then theycalled me later on that would so
like the camera stuff.
I had a cannon in college and,uh, I did mostly like street
photography stuff.
(41:28):
I never, I never did anylandscape.
I got my first landscape lessonfrom steward actually in montana
, um, but then at 10,000, at 10that yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that
we had to hike One and a halfand then a half back because my
our mics, because I was vloggingit, or my my mic got his mic,
my mic fell off and, uh, in themiddle of the wilderness so I
(41:53):
was like, I was like forget it.
I said forget it, it was like aday old and I had to like I had
to beg my wife, cause I hadjust bought a shotgun and
shotgun mic and she's like whatdo you need?
What do you need another mic for?
You just bought a mic and I waslike well, this is a different
mic, it's for different stuff,you do different stuff with it.
So she was already kids.
So Stuart was like there's noway we're not at least looking,
(42:15):
but it was like it was astraight up amount to go back to
where I was like.
I was like I'm good bro, Iwon't even, I won't even tell
her, we'll just, we'll just,we'll just forget a lav mic.
But we found it.
We found it and because thetransmitter was on on the camera
and the mic was on, so it'llpick the signal up after a
certain, so we like, we likemetal, detected it with the
(42:38):
camera.
Basically, oh beauty, yeah.
So we got it and it was justlike inside his footprint in the
snow.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Oh shit.
So yeah, tack must have beenfun and and.
I think that's what I'm talkingabout.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yes, it's going to be hard to get away from Montana.
I think there's such a goodsuch a good venue.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, big sky has got to be that's.
That's something else, right?
Speaker 3 (43:00):
It's pretty, you know , the lifts are nice, the
resort's nice and it's it's asmall, it's a more intimate than
like a Utah, you know, vendorvillage.
So you can kind of like you,just you like bump, you can
literally bump into Dudley,where otherwise you might go
looking for you might have to golooking for them.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Right, okay.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
There was people you'd be like.
I was like, oh, I really wantto talk to Josh Smith, but I was
like too nervous, yeah, he'salways he always had like this
face on and I was like I don'twant to go.
I'm, I'm like scared, so I justdid, so I did it.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
but you would, you would run into people.
It's weird approaching guys,right?
What?
Oh, yes, like it's just strangeto approach fellas that like
you're after watching.
You're like, are you?
You know?
Yeah, you don't have anybackground You're like.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
we saw we met MFJJ and he's he's exactly how he is
on YouTube in person.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Oh, he's no different , not even a little bit.
He's just who he is right now.
But it is weird, right, like Ifind it like, even like tonight,
like I was like, it's like Ikind of know Joe, but I've never
talked to Stu or anything likethat.
You know, it's like cause I'malways worried about like how
nervous are those guys, causethey've never talked to me and
I've never talked to them.
(44:12):
So it's always a little bit ofanxiety until you start doing it
and you're like, oh,everybody's just good shit.
Everybody loves archery, right.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
It's just let it go, and everything usually ends up
working out fine.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
See, I always tell them that everyone's always
afraid of SG.
Bro, I don't know what it is.
Oh yeah, they just like I don'tknow.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
You've got, you've got that seriousness, yeah,
right.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
You're so excited about that beard.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
You know what I'm saying?
No, it's, but we're going to.
We're going to try to makePennsylvania this year.
Okay, good, Good Cause we're.
Yeah, I'm going to Pennsylvania.
I'm leaving the rest of them ifthey don't want to come stay
home.
Yeah, I'm, I'm coming toPennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Shoot with us then, because I'm I'm having Stuart
come, unless it doesn't work foryou, stuart, but I was thinking
about having you come here andwe just drive right across, bro,
that'd be sweet, it's close,it's like maybe two hours.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah, we'll have to figure out like a campground or
a camper or something like that.
I might.
I might hook a camper up andbring it down or something like
that.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Who knows, I got to look into the?
Speaker 1 (45:11):
that'd be sweet.
The resort, yeah, all right,cool.
Yeah, we'll do a podcastequipment and we'll do like an
onsite pocket.
Yeah, it'll be sick.
Maybe we can, maybe we cantrick Dudley into getting on.
If he's there we'll be likejust come over for a minute or
something.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
We'll.
We'll have it.
We'll get him at the end of theday.
We'll get him at the end of theday.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, just drag him over, it'll be like Dudley.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
I know you're sauced out, let's go.
Here's a beer, let's go.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah, yeah, let's go check, let's put like the
barbecue and let's let's getafter it.
He'll do it.
No, I don't have to.
I hear Pennsylvania is a reallynice one.
It's big.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
It's.
It's bigger than I knew.
Is it big?
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah, yeah, Like every vendor's there, every big
name's there, Like well, becauseit's Midwest right
Pennsylvania's like the hub ofwhitetail oh yeah, Down, you
know what I mean Like there'smore whitetail guys that come
out of Pennsylvania than anyother state.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Yeah, Pennsylvania, you got guys.
I mean, I know TAC has aMichigan now, but you get guys
from New York.
You know it's it's easy to getto, so yeah, Michigan, and
Michigan and Pennsylvania arelike the same distance.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
for me they're both like five and a half.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
So yeah, I think I don't.
I've not gone to Michigan, butI've only heard good things
about, about Penn, so yeah, yeah, I like the idea of
Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
I've heard all good things about it as well.
Yeah, yeah, I think we hit thatone.
That won't be good, that'll bea good one, yeah, it's a, I
think it's a.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
It's pretty early, it's like one of the first ones,
so that's kind of nice.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Yeah, I was looking at the other day.
I was like that's real earlyright.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
And then you got, like you know, Montana and Utah,
those are towards your end,like right before elk season.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Man, that thing took off.
Eh, oh yeah, Like that, thatwhole tech thing just blew up.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Well, I heard Pennsylvania like even sold out,
like I mean really quick andlike big sky.
There was still availabilityand you know.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Oh was there.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, there was still availability and big sky for a
bit, like it didn't sell as fast.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
It's funny you mentioned that, stu, because we
were trying to get to Dave and Iand my brother had planned to
go to Michigan last year andthey opened up ticket sales and
then, like within an hour and ahalf, they were all gone, like
that yeah.
I was like, oh well, I guessI'm not going to attack this
year, but I should have.
(47:35):
I should have bit the bulletand just bought one for big sky
and went.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Like I should have just flew to big sky and called
like fuck it.
You know what I mean.
Right, and next time I will.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Right what's?
Speaker 1 (47:47):
that, stu?
Is it a good time?
Yeah, he's awesome.
Yeah, man Montana, I bet, isbeautiful dude.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Yeah, I've never been before that trip and it's
definitely like I love it.
It's just the colors.
Yeah, you know, I spent time inNew Mexico and stuff with my
hunts, but never like so.
I haven't done a Utah hun, Ihaven't done an Idaho, I haven't
done a Colorado.
So like seeing the different Idon't know the trees, like the
(48:13):
different trees, like there wasmore like blues and greens than
there were from what I'm, youwas used to seeing out, you know
, west, like in New Mexico andstuff, so it was really pretty.
The terrain, I think, was alittle more.
I don't I don't want toundersell New Mexico, but I feel
like it's a little more intense, a little more difficult.
Yeah, or I just was completelyout of shape at that point, I
(48:35):
don't know, I was gas, dude, gas.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
That's a lot of muscle to carry around.
Oh, but you got to fuel allthat muscle with oxygen.
You know what I mean.
Like that's hard to do.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
You was making fun of me, because my mic was just
picking up the whole time.
Just breathing heavy Just likea slight grade, but we were
above.
We're above 8,500.
So anything, it didn't matterwhat I was doing.
I could have been.
I was out of breath frombreathing.
You know, like it was just likeyou're sucking wind because
you're so high up.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Right, yeah, and the the fortunate career of I worked
a lot of oil and gas stuff.
So I've been out like toAlberta and stuff like that,
which is basically like Montanafor us, right, and it's, it's
crazy and like being in theRockies and stuff like that, and
I've been up around likeNunavut and Northwest
Territories and all that stuffwhere it never gets dark and
(49:28):
shit Like it's such a weirdthing.
But yeah, some of the scenery,man, like that, that Montana
rolling hills sort of thing,like Southern Alberta has the
same thing.
It's pretty impressive, man,it's.
It's something that is pretty,but the elevation does get you.
Oh, yeah, for sure, especiallyif you're not used to it.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
No, I live at you know 800 feet or something.
Yeah, exactly, you're not real.
You're not real high up.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
No, I know, man, I know Well, boys, I appreciate
you doing it.
We're pulling up on 50 minutesso I won't.
I won't eat up anymore of yourtime, boys.
But thanks a lot, stu.
I appreciate you coming up.
Buddy, you have an openinvitation.
Whatever you want to come onagain, you let me know.
Joe, obviously, whatever youwant buddy.
We got to get you guys on fulldraw as well.
Yeah, to talk a little, bitArchie.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah, 100% Okay.
Boys, thank you very much forcoming on, Thanks man, take it
easy, man, all right Thanks, allright Thanks, all right Thanks
man.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
All right, Thanks man , Thanks man, Thanks man.
Take it easy man.
All right, Thanks man, Thanksman, Thanks, Thanks man.
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