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Get ready to embark on a fascinating journey with Aldover Eth, a true Degen in the Web3 universe, as we unravel his exciting venture into the realm of Non-Fungible Tokens (NFTs). Packed with invaluable insights, this episode promises to demystify the complex world of NFTs and blockchain, drawing from Aldover's rich experiences and tech background. From overcoming the challenges of finding and securing coveted NFTs to understanding the tangible potential of owning digital assets, this episode is a treasure trove of knowledge for anyone keen on exploring the Web3 space.

We venture deeper into the NFT ecosystem as Aldover shares his strategies for making rational investment decisions and finding the right moments to buy and sell tokens. He offers a unique perspective on the power of passion driving value in tokens and how building connections within the artist community creates unparalleled opportunities. Grab your headphones as we also decode the intricate dynamics of 'whales' in the NFT market and explore the potential for profiteering in this digital frontier. 

To top it all, Aldover lets us into his world of art appreciation, revealing his favorite creators and their remarkable pieces. From balancing a demanding full-time job with his passion for NFT trading to staying on top of the game with exciting collectibles from Bondo, TJ Hinoz, and more, Aldover's journey is teeming with inspiration for both seasoned traders and newcomers alike. This episode is an exhilarating blend of personal anecdotes, industry insights, and a spirited discussion on the future of NFT gaming. Don't miss out on this one-of-a-kind conversation with Aldover Eth!

(0:00:03) - Web3 and NFTs in Gaming
(0:14:30) - Navigating NFTs and Making Rational Decisions
(0:17:51) - NFT Collecting and Trading Experiences
(0:31:55) - NFT Space Snacks and Artists
(0:40:03) - Discussing Artists, NFT Gaming, and Collectibles
(0:49:39) - Discussion on Crypto Art and Collectibles
(1:02:24) - Bad Bunny and Art Appreciation Discussion

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Gramajo (00:02):
Everybody.
This is and you're listening tothe podcast episode one.
A podcast for Creators andanyone involved in the web three
space.
On today's episode, I'll beinterviewing Al Dover doc Eve.
Who is a true Dejan in the webthree space.
He got started with MBA Topshopin early 2021 and has been

(00:25):
expanding his presence andimpact ever since, especially in
the Tesla space.
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Thanks.
tell me a little bit aboutyourself, who you are.

Aldover (00:44):
All right, man.
I've never actually introducedmyself.
It's like a job interview.
Yeah.

Gramajo (00:50):
Degen job interview

Aldover (00:52):
degen job interview.
Did I get the job?
Let's find out.
All right, let's start with outdoxing myself too much.
I've live in California.
I'm in my thirties.
I've always been into computergaming and tabletop games.
I played a lot of Pokemon Magicgathering and all that.

(01:15):
And then on computer, I wouldjust play everything like I was
early into Diablo.
and then I went into WarcraftRTS games and then World of
Warcraft.
So I was just always a hugegamer.

Gramajo (01:28):
Do you still game?

Aldover (01:28):
Not as much anymore cuz I have, I'm adulting now,

Gramajo (01:31):
Yeah.
It's harder once you get older.

Aldover (01:33):
yeah.
So now I play like hard doneonce in a lot just cuz it's nice
and easy and lazy.

Gramajo (01:39):
Yeah.
Do you still collect Pokemon orMagic or anything of that?

Aldover (01:43):
No, I still have a counts though for like magic,
the Gathering online.
I used to play that a lot, so Ihad a bunch of cards there, but
physical cards that are all gonesince I moved from the east
coast to the west coast.
They're actually still overthere and probably in the
basement somewhere rotting andgaining value at the same time.

Gramajo (02:00):
Seriously.
Is that how you ended up gettinginto NFTs?
Just from as it seems if therewas a Venn diagram out there in
the world of like Pokemon magicsneakerheads and whatever other
denim

Aldover (02:14):
degenerating from one collection to another.
Actually we're, my wife and Iactually got into sneaker
collecting for a little bit justbecause we saw how lucrative it
was to just snipe things onsneakers, app,

Gramajo (02:25):
Yeah.

Aldover (02:26):
like getting on getting Easys on retail.
But that didn't last very longcuz it's so hard to secure
anything.

Gramajo (02:33):
Yeah.
It's also yeah.
Unless you're like botting it,it is hard to secure things.
And then also just like theamount of.
capital too.
If you wanna make it big,

Aldover (02:43):
Exactly.
So just a little side money atthe time.

Gramajo (02:47):
nice.

Aldover (02:48):
So just heavy into playing games and the whole
digital aspect of collectingthings.
When you played like Diablo twoand World of Warcraft, I guess
that just resonated with me andstuck with me.
And once you got into the N F Tspace is basically the same
thing, but you're throwing bucksout instead of digital money.
Right?

Gramajo (03:07):
Yeah.
And you don't have to worryabout moving your collection
across the country

Aldover (03:11):
Yeah.
See, it's just all the space,like all these shoes take up so
much fucking space.

Gramajo (03:17):
Agreed.
No.
Agreed man.
Cause like sneakerheads, theywant it like in some of them
want the box cuz I think likethe box makes it so they feel
like it's more authentic.

Aldover (03:25):
Great.

Gramajo (03:26):
Yeah.
And those boxes are not, they'renot small,

Aldover (03:29):
Not at all.
You scrap the shoes and foil andthen send them out so my
educational background was inbusiness, but I actually got a
job as a help desk and thencomputer desktop support when I
started working full-time.
So it's just interesting cuz I,I've always been into business

(03:49):
and stuff in school, but all myjobs were really to technology.

Gramajo (03:55):
Yeah it's funny, I'd say like how, especially like in
tech, like how you could notintend.
like your goal or your intentionisn't to be in tech, and then
somehow you end up in a,

Aldover (04:10):
yeah.
It just encapsulates everything.
But I guess that a lot of thatis because we're in the Silicon
Valley.

Gramajo (04:16):
True.

Aldover (04:16):
Yeah.

Gramajo (04:17):
Do you feel like that technical background helps you a
little bit with understandingsome of

Aldover (04:22):
the tech

Gramajo (04:23):
blockchain or Yeah, like the tech behind the scenes

Aldover (04:25):
thing.
You think you know things, butyou really don't.
It's just too much out there.
I feel like I'm a huge retardwhen it comes to this stuff,
even though I've been working attech all my life.

Gramajo (04:37):
maybe it helps with understanding at least the basic
concepts

Aldover (04:40):
Yeah.

Gramajo (04:41):
Like blockchain

Aldover (04:42):
I don't know what the merge is all about.
People keep talking about themerge and all.
All I see is Vitalic van Uterinewith a boner.

Gramajo (04:51):
Yeah.
We're all long on E, as theysaid,

Aldover (04:55):
Yep.
Exactly.

Gramajo (05:00):
So what do you enjoy the most about kind of the web
three or NFT space or crypto asa whole?

Aldover (05:07):
It's pretty cool.
But when I first got into it, itwas from a coworker touting how
cool n b a top shot was.
And I had no idea what an N F Twas at the time.
It's the hell is this?
You're just buying gifts ofbasketball player highlights
online.
But then he started showing melike how lucrative it was like
LeBron James moment selling for$30,000,$40,000.
I was like, whoa, that's reallycool.

(05:28):
And it then he just like madethat distinction that it's like
you're owning a ba, a basketballcard, but it's just online so
you don't have the physical cardbut still shows that you own it.
All right?
So I was like, all right, that'spretty cool.
I might as well start collectingthem.
So I ape the hell into top shot.
And that was back in March,2021.
So like really early into nft.

Gramajo (05:54):
Yeah,

Aldover (05:55):
was cool, but

Gramajo (05:56):
yeah, early, like in the 2021 Wave, cuz you know,
there's definitely like somepeople that were in it I guess
late 2017

Aldover (06:05):
that's true.
I was actually buying a theoryon a Bitcoin back in 2017.
Just never knew anything aboutNFTs at the time.

Gramajo (06:14):
yeah, NFTs is it took me a while to make my way into
NFTs, so I've.
I've been in the crypto spacesince like December, 2012 I
remember is when I bought myfirst Bitcoin.
And even then it took me a hotminute to, to buy into even I

(06:35):
just thought it was like a scamfor the longest time, I think is
what it

Aldover (06:38):
But you still had Bitcoin in 2012.

Gramajo (06:40):
Yeah.
It's you get into these bitcoinmaxi echo chambers and of Hard
to snap out of there like I wasalso like, not even, I remember
hearing about Ethereum likereally early on and I just
remember thinking like, whywould I get rid of my Bitcoin
for Ethereum?
Like that sounds dumb.

Aldover (07:01):
right?
And that's back when it was like20 cents

Gramajo (07:04):
Yeah, exactly.
It.
I don't even, I don't know if itwas actually 20 cents when I
actually heard about it.
I don't think I was that earlyon, on the Ethereum, but it was
definitely a lot cheaper Andyeah, it took a while for me to
I could grasp like how big of a,an ambition ETH was it's pretty
easy to say a forward-lookingstatement like that.

(07:26):
We want to be X and not deliveron it.

Aldover (07:29):
But I skillfully bought the top when it did spike in
2017.
So I was reeling because itdropped back down Actually went
to a thousand bucks and I waslike, all right, it's gonna keep
going up now.
And then I bought a bunch then,and then that's when it dropped
from a thousand back to 150bucks.

Gramajo (07:47):
Yeah, those drops.
Those

Aldover (07:49):
I save for Bitcoin.
Yeah.

Gramajo (07:51):
Yeah, no, 100%.
Man I remember Bitcoin was likea 20 grand and dropped to 500 in
the span of six weeks.
Which is, that's why these bearmarkets I think they don't phase
me as much as, I mean it stillsucks you don't get me wrong.
Still sucks.
And you try and time the bottom,the quote unquote bottom, but,

Aldover (08:11):
But I think right now it's going in tandem with the
equities bear market, which kindof sucks cuz then there's gonna
be no money to come back intocrypto.

Gramajo (08:18):
yeah.
Yep.

Aldover (08:19):
Yeah.

Gramajo (08:20):
What's the weirdest non P f P item in your collection?

Aldover (08:24):
I don't know.
There's too many to name Soafter getting out of the top
shot and that, that tanked so,so bad because I was spying at
the peak then.
And by the time I was out of topshot, it was like July, August
and I would just, I foundEthereum right.
And then I found Ethereum NFTs,and I saw that those was monkeys

(08:46):
were so lucrative.
But by then they're already, Iwas already pressed out.
So the board apes were like 12or 12 to 15.
So I just got in, I startedbuying random ass shit.
I think the weirdest thing Ibought on ETH was I started
collecting food macu.

Gramajo (09:03):
What's that?

Aldover (09:05):
I don't know if he's actually A P F P, but it's the
dude who actually put food onhis face

Gramajo (09:11):
Oh, you're

Aldover (09:12):
then minted it.

Gramajo (09:12):
link of that.
I'm gonna have to see this.

Aldover (09:16):
All

Gramajo (09:16):
I'll include it in the notes too, cause this is gonna
be hilarious.

Aldover (09:20):
And he was popular in the PFP space because they would
always make PFPs out of his art.
I would say.
Let's see.
He was just, he made a, heactually made a collection
called Delectables.
This person I came up, when Ilooked for him on open c.
most of it's collections on anorigin, we like that.

(09:42):
Yeah,

Gramajo (09:43):
Let's look at this thing.
Oh, interesting.

Aldover (09:51):
look at that.
He still has 98 total Ethereumin sales

Gramajo (09:57):
That's insane.

Aldover (09:59):
It was pretty interesting.
So a lot of the early, the PFPsduring the p wave, after the
board apes and him, he was likevery active in this space.
So he would mint these and a lotof the PFP collections would
actually have a tribute to himwith a food mask, PPF P

Gramajo (10:16):
Yeah.

Aldover (10:17):
like one-on-one.
And then I would be like, oh,who is this guy?
They keep making PFPs about himin these animal collections.
I was like, oh, he actually minshis own.
Maybe he'll catch some tractioncuz it's unique and different.
But it's just guy sellingpictures of food on his face.

Gramajo (10:32):
Yeah.
This is dope though.
I've actually like never seenthis.

Aldover (10:36):
That's funny.
Yeah.
So that's if you're early intothat stuff.
And then on when I got toEthereum, that was after I got
into a lot of failed animalprojects and in Ethereum.
So I went to Tezos.
Because there you could make alot of mistakes.
Were a lot cheaper.

Gramajo (10:55):
agreed.
When did you get into Tezosthen?
So let's see.
So you got into Top Shop March,made your way over until August
or something.
So when did you get into

Aldover (11:04):
July, August.
So maybe August, September,which is my first Tezos one.
And then Tezos was interestingcause I was like, oh man, all
this cool looking art are socheap.
So it was like, I'll just buyanything that I think looks
cool.
So the very first things Istarted buying on Tezos were
copy mints,

Gramajo (11:22):
Nice.

Aldover (11:22):
had no idea.
So I got a lot of these reallycool copy mints and I found out
that copy bending was like ashitty practice.
You shouldn't do it.
I was like, I just get to holdmore NFTs if I do it this way,

Gramajo (11:31):
That's hilarious.

Aldover (11:33):
So I got some pretty cool copy minute things.
I was like, oh, let me find outwho actually sold it because it
got banned on.
And I found out I find outthey're like actually still
Ethereum NFTs that just happenedto get complimented onto Tezos.
That looked really cool.
Which is a shame cuz I wish Iwas able to just own them.

Gramajo (11:50):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Copy minting.
I swear that gets everyone.

Aldover (11:54):
yeah.
So that was this fancy fatallights collection, which is not
actually, which I actually foundon Maker Space.
But if you wanna see theweirdest crap I bought on Tezos,
I don't even know if I shoulddelete it here.

Gramajo (12:09):
I'm for it.
No.
I'm for it.

Aldover (12:11):
And I just thought, this is so freaking weird.
I'm just gonna buy it cuz it's acouple tezos and I've been
spending thousands dollars oneth for like things I don't even
know if I'm gonna like later on.
And this artist, if you wouldsay it's an artist, made this
weird stuff,

Gramajo (12:30):
Yeah.
This is interesting.

Aldover (12:35):
If you want to call it Interesting.
Yeah.
Look at that.

Gramajo (12:38):
Yeah, this is,

Aldover (12:39):
even believe this kind of stuff exists without reading
me?

Gramajo (12:43):
I think it, I don't know.
It's almost like.

Aldover (12:48):
like I think that's complimented.

Gramajo (12:50):
Is this like collage almost Is it,

Aldover (12:53):
animated collage work,

Gramajo (12:54):
yeah, like it's going for the vibe.
I don't know.
Like it's not that bad actually.
Like it's, yeah, it's actuallynot that bad.

Aldover (13:01):
Lot of this stuff, TJ O makes his call man

Gramajo (13:04):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
This is actually not that bad.
Same

Aldover (13:07):
He's I'm gonna buy it.

Gramajo (13:08):
how am I buy something?
Nah, I'm just kidding.

Aldover (13:11):
the weed ones actually available, but he lit, he minted
on his set.
Nu.
So you can't get it here unlessyou go

Gramajo (13:18):
dude.
And none of them are for sale.
Look at that.

Aldover (13:20):
Yeah, because they're minted so long ago, you actually
have to go to a differentplatform.

Gramajo (13:25):
Yeah, you gotta go to TA or something, right?

Aldover (13:27):
Yeah, exactly.

Gramajo (13:28):
This is

Aldover (13:29):
But yeah, so that's what I'd say is my like weirdest
non p fp mints for sure.

Gramajo (13:36):
I can't even, I actually, I should actually
probably my purchases and figureout what's my weirdest one if
I'm gonna be asking thesequestions.
I was, I should definitely knowthat for myself.

Aldover (13:47):
right?
Yeah.
You should show me what you gotand I'll show you what I have

Gramajo (13:51):
Yeah.
I'll have to, I'll have to getback to you on that one.
I'll look in a bit and I'll sendit to

Aldover (13:56):
Yeah, like I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

Gramajo (13:58):
Exactly.
Exactly.
Let's see.
Do you have any kind of tips ortools now?
So it looks so, I think soYou've been now in this space
for at least over and a half, ayear and a half now.
Through some highs.
Now we're in the bear, althoughsome people refuse to believe
it.

Aldover (14:17):
Oh no, it's,

Gramajo (14:18):
do you have any kind of any tips, any guidance, any
tools that you use?
Or just anything, just to helppeople?
get in the space when they hearthis later on.

Aldover (14:28):
oh, that's a good question.
Don't do what I did.
don't fall into the hype.
You actually had to makerational decisions for sure.
So it was a lot of my earlybuying was based off of hype,
and that never panned out atall.
And the most lucrative trades orbuys I made in this space were
when people weren't actuallybuying into things.

(14:48):
And it was stuff I genuinelyliked and enjoyed.

Gramajo (14:53):
Yeah,

Aldover (14:54):
turns out that if you actually enjoy something, other
people are gonna enjoy and wannabuy it off You too at some
point, right?

Gramajo (14:59):
yeah.
It's funny how that works,right?

Aldover (15:02):
Seriously.

Gramajo (15:03):
It is.
No, that's serious.
Like you, like I know like a lotof like people like that have
been into NFTs for a while now,or just like the whales they're
always saying the things youlike, or at least the group that
we hang out with on Discord

Aldover (15:16):
Yeah.

Gramajo (15:17):
Like that's the first rule is buy what you like and
then someone else likes it, thenit's good.
And if not, then you're stuckwith something.
At least you like,

Aldover (15:26):
exactly.
So that's the best advice cuzTop shot, that portfolio is
probably down 60 to 70%, if notmore.
All the early PFPs I bought,let's start naming them.
Dope.
He was hype hippos.
Secret Society of Whales, etcetera, et cetera.
They're like all going to zero.

(15:47):
And then things I collected fromartists, I like they just stay,
retain, value

Gramajo (15:53):
yeah, I'm not looking for what is the weirdest thing
I've thought let's look.

Aldover (16:09):
And even though we didn't sell the Alpha dog tags
at the top, they're still morethan we paid for them and still
producing quality products everymonth.

Gramajo (16:18):
Yeah.
100%.
Yeah.
Definitely.
I forget who did it.
Was it was it tactical?
Someone in the Alpha Dog Groupsold around 20, I don't think
they were the highest, like a 25or whatever

Aldover (16:32):
HIAs was a start something at 25, and he's an
active in absolutely wrongDiscord too.

Gramajo (16:38):
Yeah.
And then I think they recentlygot in back again, like at

Aldover (16:43):
Using That's crazy.
Yeah.
Just using the money they soldat the top.

Gramajo (16:47):
Yeah they sold like close to like pretty damn close
to the top and then got back inat half the price and I think
they went off and bought like adoodle or something, if I'm
remembering it correctly.

Aldover (16:56):
That's insane.
Yeah.
I think if we played it we couldhave sold at the top, bought
three Moon Birds and then soldthem at the top and it made like
150

Gramajo (17:06):
Yeah.
Let's not remind me,

Aldover (17:09):
Yeah, it's fine.
We're still plus,

Gramajo (17:12):
right.
I am still looking to see whatis the weirdest thing I bought.

Aldover (17:16):
so probably my favorite thing about NFTs right now,
especially on Tezos, is justbeing able to collect them and
connect with the artists thatmake them.
So there's just a lot of reallycool artists out there that are
really down to earth and justmake awesome things.
And you can talk to them aboutit.

Gramajo (17:34):
Yeah, agreed.
Yeah.
Especially, I don't know, Teslasis really cool.
That's what I like about Tesla.

Aldover (17:39):
Yeah.
And then those artists willstart paving their way and then
they go into Ethereum, butthey're still the same people
you were talking to, buyingtheir work for 10 bucks.

Gramajo (17:50):
Yeah.
Is that how, like how early ondid you find absolutely wrong
outta

Aldover (17:56):
Pretty early on.
He only had I would say eightNFTs total minted on object at
the time.
And then I decided I was justgonna collect all of them,

Gramajo (18:06):
That's epic, man.

Aldover (18:07):
I met him and then he saw me sweep his floor, and then
he started talking to me.
I was like, I really like yourcollection, your art.
And he was like, yeah, you justhaving fun with it at the time.
But then he got really popular,just mincing more and more.

Gramajo (18:25):
Yeah,

Aldover (18:26):
Yeah, that happened with quite a handful of artists.

Gramajo (18:29):
Yeah, I know.
I realized at some point that wewere like in the same tezos
sphere as

Aldover (18:35):
Yeah.
Circle the sake.
I found all the same glitchartists, and then they just all
started coming up from the samegroup as absolutely wrong,
right?

Gramajo (18:44):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
It was all organic and together.
All right.
I don't know if this is theweirdest thing I've bought, but
I'll share something that Ibought.
Nah, I'll go for the duck.
I have something, I have a thingabout ducks for some reason.
So here is a duck.
I got really, I got startedreally late in into NFTs.

(19:07):
So I got into like NFTs, likethe first week of October.

Aldover (19:12):
Yeah.
Oh, so is this one of your firstones?
Minted

Gramajo (19:14):
No is one of the first ones I pur, purchased

Aldover (19:17):
Yeah.
Wow.

Gramajo (19:19):
Yeah.
Like really early on.
I think I bought this the firstthing I definitely bought was
especially on Tezos, I think wasthe Jack from Des Cruz.
Yeah.
So that was the one that, thatgot me onto the Tezos and made
me into a Tezos maxi, almost

Aldover (19:35):
That was the first thing I Paper handed

Gramajo (19:38):
the Jack

Aldover (19:39):
Yeah.
Cause I bought three of them at12 Tezos and then they got up,
they started shooting up to 60,70, 80 and I started winding by
other things so I was like okay,it's already a six x seven x so
I just sold them then.

Gramajo (19:55):
Hey, nothing wrong with taking money, man, but for sure
we all messed up cuz rain haslike over a hundred.

Aldover (20:02):
Yeah.
You're just supposed to staylong on some people.
Yeah, I paper handed some Z cantoo.

Gramajo (20:10):
Oh, no way.

Aldover (20:11):
It wasn't anything too big.
It was a 100 edition, but Ibought it for 60 and then it
went up to 500

Gramajo (20:22):
Oh, man.
Yeah.
We can't live life with too muchtoo much regret.
You made money on the Jack.
The Jack's been good for a lotof us.

Aldover (20:32):
I never had an incredible like Discord and
Twitter.
Raffle luck lately.
So it helps to fund theDegeneracy.

Gramajo (20:41):
yeah.
And you just want somethingrecently too, didn't you?

Aldover (20:44):
Yeah, it was a one, one heart.
You super rare actually.

Gramajo (20:50):
And that's a one of one, or?

Aldover (20:51):
Yeah, it was one of one that she never sold.
And then the Twitter contest waswhat's the most hypocritical
thing you've ever done?
So like a true dj, I said Themost hypo whole thing I said was
joining this contest cuz I thinkthis artist is cool just so I
could win one, one in their art

Gramajo (21:12):
Oh my God, I love it.

Aldover (21:13):
And then she said I won because I made her laugh the
most.

Gramajo (21:17):
I think that's hysterical, man.
I think the one that cracked meup was definitely the shit coin.
The shit coin was like geniusmarketing.

Aldover (21:27):
Oh, that was awesome.
I helped the AW come up withthat actually

Gramajo (21:31):
Yeah.
That was way too much fun.
Almost, actually.
It was like

Aldover (21:35):
I told him we should keep doing things like that, but
he's just been so busy.
As soon as he can start doingthe full-time entity degen
stuff, we can come up with a lotof more things,

Gramajo (21:43):
Yeah he got into se super rare.
So

Aldover (21:47):
Yeah.
That's awesome.

Gramajo (21:48):
hopefully things take off or becomes, it starts
becoming more viable.
Although I should buy a one ofone first before before that
happens.

Aldover (21:55):
I know, right?
I don't even have any, I've beensupporting him for so long.

Gramajo (21:59):
I'd the only thing I have that's close to one of one
is the funk.
Let's see.
Man,

Aldover (22:06):
Oh yeah.
That was pretty cool though,that you got that.

Gramajo (22:08):
I was pretty stoked, man.
I was pretty stoked.
I I was trying super hard to getoh, I got a mo, I got a inverse.
So the grun is the one that's aone of one from aw.
But yeah, I was trying so hardto get a funk for the hot, for
the hottest minute and when.
Yeah, when Asa was I'm gonna bedoing an e project, it seemed

(22:31):
like a easy thing for me.
And then once I saw like the oneof ones too, I was like, oh
damn.
And I never get lucky in mintinganything.

Aldover (22:38):
I know.
That was so insane.

Gramajo (22:41):
Yeah.
Especially for like for someonethat was like in his server.
I don't know it just, it workedout pretty well.

Aldover (22:48):
it just all fell into place.

Gramajo (22:50):
Yeah.
It fell into place.
Yeah.
I think someone would've tooffer me like a good amount of
money.
Cuz I'm starting to like it I, Itry not to switch too much, like
my PFP on Twitter for whateverreason.
And I'm really liking this oneand it's like pretty
recognizable, like I think

Aldover (23:05):
It's still ethere of one to one,

Gramajo (23:07):
exactly.

Aldover (23:08):
Aw.
Did right.
It's crazy.

Gramajo (23:10):
What are you gonna do with your.

Aldover (23:13):
I don't know.
I thinking maybe I should justsell it so I can bid on aws.
Super rare Time.

Gramajo (23:19):
it'd be

Aldover (23:19):
makes me worry.

Gramajo (23:20):
cause at least

Aldover (23:21):
Yeah.

Gramajo (23:22):
cuz you, yeah, I think that'd be, honestly, that'd be
pretty great cuz if you've beenthat bullish on Aw for that
early, then yeah I think itmakes sense

Aldover (23:33):
nFTs aren't liquid.
So even if I list it at thefloors, I'm probably gonna still
sit But here is that heart.

Gramajo (23:46):
Yeah.
I wanna see it actually.
I don't think I saw it.
I think I saw you one, but Idon't think I actually saw it.

Aldover (23:51):
So it's, the actual title of the heart is hypocrite
because the contest was what'smost hypocritical thing you've
done

Gramajo (23:57):
Yo, this is a dope color way too though.
I love like olive of colored

Aldover (24:02):
And she's sending me the physical, so it'd be weird
to sell it when I have thephysical Yeah.

Gramajo (24:07):
Aw, dude.
I don't know,

Aldover (24:09):
It's hard to part with one or the other now at that
point.
At that point,

Gramajo (24:12):
I'm a sucker for like emo I get emotionally atti, like
I'm, that, that's what I'mtrying to work on.
This bear is like trying tobecome, cause I'm not like this
with stock.
I used to be like, when I firstwas getting into stocks, I used
to be connected to it.

Aldover (24:24):
At least stocks, you can't actually stay connected at
some point.
It's just a number,

Gramajo (24:29):
but I gotta become like that with NFTs.
This is dope though.
This is, yeah.
I'm definitely including this inthe links for everybody to see.
Cuz this is really dope.

Aldover (24:38):
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
I didn't think I was gonna winit just because I just thought
of the most crass, rude answer,Twitter contest.
But she just enjoyed thehonesty.
She said,

Gramajo (24:48):
Nah.
Yeah, sometimes that's like thebest way, man.
I think that makes the, I thinkthat makes the story even
better, almost.

Aldover (24:53):
yeah, I'll give you the tweets.
Include, so

Gramajo (24:56):
Yeah, I'll take it all, man.
I'll include it in the shownotes.
Yeah, let's look at, I know youpost, you posted it on an Alpha
Dog, so I saw part of it,

Aldover (25:12):
Yeah.

Gramajo (25:12):
dude.
Freaking nuts, man.
I love it.

Aldover (25:20):
Hell yeah.

Gramajo (25:21):
That's the way to do it.
And there's a physical with ittoo.
That's dope.

Aldover (25:25):
Yeah.
That's really crazy.
I was speaking physicals.
Louis Ponce is always sendingphysicals now with his multi
edition work, which is prettyawesome.

Gramajo (25:34):
Yeah, you got that crazy one right.

Aldover (25:36):
Yeah, I've so I started collecting him pretty late on
because he already had so manyof his collection of fragmented
existence pieces out.
But by the time I collected one,it was like 18, number 17, I
think.
But, I started following himever since then, just because I
think his art is like possiblyone of the best artists in the

(25:58):
entire space right now.

Gramajo (26:01):
It's really good.

Aldover (26:02):
Yeah.
And so

Gramajo (26:05):
I wasn't too too, like for me, it came out of I'm sure
he's had a huge following for awhile, but for me came out of
like left field and, but whenyou posted it or someone in
Alpha Dog did, I was like, ohman this is.

Aldover (26:20):
oh yeah.
He actually wasn't that hugewhen I first found him, but he
was already on addition number16 of this collection.
But then they just startedgetting bought up like crazy and
then like his floor just wentfrom, I don't know, it's like
the cheapest piece of any of histhings that are under 40
editions.
It's 700 Tezos.

Gramajo (26:45):
It's not

Aldover (26:46):
People are just working to complete the sets, this full
set.
But yeah, so I collected number16 as my first one.
And that was just when he listedit and he actually had a bunch
of people that were already onhis wait list or whatever, so I
just had to buy it on secondaryimmediately.
And I guess he took noticebecause I bought two editions on
secondary, even though they werelike three or four times his

(27:08):
listing price.

Gramajo (27:09):
Yeah.

Aldover (27:10):
So he just reached out to me on Twitter and basically
said, Hey, thanks for buying.
I said yeah, I really like yourwork.
And he, and we started talkingsince then.
And then he made a discord, so Ijoined that too.

Gramajo (27:21):
Hey, he's a Alpha dog artist, right?
Or am I

Aldover (27:24):
Yeah.
So I actually connected him withMondo and to birds to see if he
would do art for it.
And he he said he was gonna doit in the second.

Gramajo (27:32):
That's what's up.

Aldover (27:33):
Which is really cool because at the time he wasn't
even like blowing up that muchuntil Cosmos started buying a
bunch of his stuff on.
Super rare.

Gramajo (27:42):
Yeah, I just found one.
I know you linked it right nowI'm just looking at it, man.
There's some really great stuffin here.

Aldover (27:49):
Yeah.
So that's his main collections,collection of fragmenting
existence.
And then he started droppingsome stuff on foundation and
then he like immediately gotonboarded onto super rare and as
soon gone, super rare.

Gramajo (28:02):
Game over.

Aldover (28:03):
yeah.
Cosmos started buying all hisart there.
Actually he cosmos buying someof his stuff on Tezos already.
So he was the first one to buynumber eight, which is like the
most popular one.
Like way more than what anyoneelse is paying at the time for
any of these fragmented pieces.
and that just draw Drew more andmore attention.

Gramajo (28:23):
This one's dope.

Aldover (28:25):
Yeah, it's probably like my favorite, but it's
probably the most outta reachnow.
the last sale was 3000 on it.

Gramajo (28:34):
That's not too bad, man.
There was one though I just sawwith the floor of 11,000

Aldover (28:38):
Oh yeah.
That's cuz anytime they likecompletely sell out, I just list
it for 10,000 if I have it.

Gramajo (28:45):
Yeah, no, 100%.
Man I need to start listing somestuff on Tezos for sure.

Aldover (28:50):
Yeah.

Gramajo (28:52):
It's just nuts.
Like you can get something likeon FX hash or a piece of someone
for 10 20 tezos and

Aldover (28:58):
I know.

Gramajo (28:59):
Next thing you know like it's 10,000 Tezos and I
know like com obviously compareand relative to eth, like that's
not like the same, I don't know,but That's

Aldover (29:09):
It's something.
It is a lot, Yeah.
You're just multiplying yourmoney 10 20 fold.

Gramajo (29:15):
exactly.
Wow.

Aldover (29:16):
Yeah.
But I don't know when I got intoTezos, the coin was already like
$4 and 50 cents a pop.
So I was spending a lot more toget my TE pieces

Gramajo (29:26):
agreed.

Aldover (29:26):
and then and then it shot up to nine bucks and I was
still buying te to like buttonMIT more or buy more stuff.
So I've had some

Gramajo (29:35):
I'm waiting for that Tesla's bull run.

Aldover (29:39):
so like now's the best time to just collect coins, but
it's just too hard cuz we'vebeen in the bear for so long.

Gramajo (29:45):
yeah, we got a while to go too, man.
Especially after the inflationnumbers that just came out.

Aldover (29:52):
Let me see.
The only listening on this oneis fine for 10,000

Gramajo (30:00):
Yeah.
These are dope.
I don't have to look it up.
All right.
Let's see.

Aldover (30:05):
Yeah.
So Lewis sent two physicals sofar actually he had three
physical pieces that he sent.
The first one was just a acidprint of one of his collection
of fragmenting existences.
And then he dropped an Ethereumaddition where he sent one of
those infinite objects, which ispretty awesome.

Gramajo (30:24):
how

Aldover (30:24):
then the last one

Gramajo (30:25):
sell for

Aldover (30:26):
there was a super rare table that sold for I don't
remember three.
No, it was like 60,000 bucks atthe time.
I think

Gramajo (30:32):
Yeah, I remember like you posted it and then I think
at that point I was followinghim on Twitter already.
That table's nuts.

Aldover (30:40):
it's insane.

Gramajo (30:41):
That table's insane.
Like that thing is a work ofart.

Aldover (30:48):
Let's see.
He has a website and I thinkthat's where he posted it.
Oh yeah.
That thing is freakingridiculous.
He had it like showcasing hisstudio on his website.

Gramajo (31:04):
Yeah.
The same.
Oh, this is dope.
Yeah, this table's absolutelynuts.
What's funny is I have thosechairs.

Aldover (31:16):
just get the table now.

Gramajo (31:17):
Yeah.
No, trust me, man.
I was like, I already got thechairs.
I was like, oh, I need sometable.
And then I was like, oh, it'sonly 30 E

Aldover (31:27):
Hey, that's pretty cheap, considering the cost of
eat at the time you won it too.

Gramajo (31:31):
Oh I know, definitely.
Yeah, because if eat hits like10 grand, then yeah, that table
becomes really expensive.
All right.
Let's see.
All right, so P Chos, I don'tknow if you know what Bero is,
but P Chos is

Aldover (31:43):
Oh, I saw you.
Yeah, I said it's like snacks.

Gramajo (31:46):
Yeah.
It's actually it's like probablycloser to tapas, but I think
people would be,

Aldover (31:50):
I like

Gramajo (31:51):
would get angry if you would say tapas.

Aldover (31:53):
Spanish tapas are good.

Gramajo (31:54):
Yeah.
So with that, what is yourfavorite snack?

Aldover (32:01):
That's a good question.
I'm a foodie, so there's toomany to name.
How about a really goodcharcuterie board?

Gramajo (32:08):
Oh, you can never go wrong with a good jacori board.

Aldover (32:11):
Yeah, just something loaded up with a bunch of
prochilo.
You have a lot of your goodcheeses on there, like brie cam
bear, smoked goda olives inside.
Yeah, that's, that'll probablybe my go-to snack

Gramajo (32:24):
Do you go jams or no jams?

Aldover (32:26):
You can go jams.
Not all the time.
She's a little bit sweet on thesides.
Okay.
But you have all so many saltythings already.

Gramajo (32:34):
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a good one.
I like that.
Ja board.

Aldover (32:39):
All right?
And if it wasn't that, like afinger snack, have you ever had
salted egg, fish skin?

Gramajo (32:44):
No, but I do I don't mind fish skin.
It tastes actually really good.
Do.

Aldover (32:50):
All right.
Wilder.
There's a snack.
You can probably get it anyAsian market around the Bay
Area, but it's called salted eggfish skin.
And once you have it, you'rejust never gonna want any other
snack again.

Gramajo (33:01):
I'm gonna have to look at the macros on this first
before I buy it.

Aldover (33:06):
Yeah.
No you're screwed.
It just deep fried fish skinwith salt on it.

Gramajo (33:11):
Oh yeah.
Oh, this looks good.
I love stuff like this.
I bet.
Yeah I'm sure I would love this.

Aldover (33:17):
Yeah, but I usually find it at 99 Ranch.

Gramajo (33:21):
Awesome.
Yeah, I'm trying to think ofwhat my favorite snack would be.

Aldover (33:27):
Now you don't even know what's a Grandma Maho.

Gramajo (33:30):
Yeah.
I don't know, man.
I like PB and Js man.
Like a real good PB and j.

Aldover (33:36):
That's not,

Gramajo (33:37):
I eat that for breakfast, lunch, or dinner.

Aldover (33:39):
you call that a snack though,

Gramajo (33:41):
No, I know that's a staple.
That's family.
Nah, lemme think.
Huh?
I wanna say chicharron, butthat's like way too,

Aldover (33:57):
That's fine.
It's the spicy kind.

Gramajo (33:59):
too sa.
Yeah, exactly.
Like the spicy kind.
I don't know.
I grew up eating I'm sureyou're, you've seen this, but
like mangos like

Aldover (34:07):
Yeah.

Gramajo (34:07):
and stuff like that, or

Aldover (34:09):
They got the frozen one at Costco too, that we get
sometimes, which is pretty bomb.

Gramajo (34:13):
oh, I have not, I don't think I've seen that one.
Or if I have, I'm probablytrying to avoid it just to not
buy it.

Aldover (34:19):
Yeah.
That's all you're starting towork out or at least log your
workouts.

Gramajo (34:23):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm trying to, man, it's I usedto be super overweight, so I
try,

Aldover (34:29):
I see.
Yeah, it's hard to keep thatdown.
I think, I'm trying to getoverweight now.
My wife and I got married lastNovember and I think I've gained
15 pounds since then.

Gramajo (34:39):
Oh man.
Oh man.
Yeah, it's tough, man.
It's super

Aldover (34:43):
It's almost a year though, so that's like barely.
That's barely a pound a month.

Gramajo (34:48):
Yeah.
No, it's not, that's not eventhat bad at

Aldover (34:50):
I'm just missing.
Yeah.

Gramajo (34:52):
No.
I, yeah I think I used to be, soI did sports in high school, so
I was like pretty fit and thenjust college wrecked me hella
bad.
So it took a long time to getback down.
And then now I'm actually likeat my high school weight and I'm
trying to go

Aldover (35:08):
That's fair.
That's pretty good actually.

Gramajo (35:10):
yeah.
So we'll get there slowly withShirley.
But yeah, as as you become anadult and everything, like more
and more, I'm not saying.
I don't adult things just comeup like, you gotta

Aldover (35:22):
Oh, hell yeah.

Gramajo (35:23):
Care of family, take care of your wife.
I don't know, there's just awhole bunch of stuff you gotta
handle.

Aldover (35:28):
It's just the full-time work.
It's a really great one here.

Gramajo (35:31):
Yeah.
You just got promoted too,right?
Not to dox here, but yeah.
So I think you have moreresponsibilities now.
Yeah, man.
It's hard.

Aldover (35:38):
Yeah.

Gramajo (35:41):
Yeah.

Aldover (35:41):
All right.
So what other questions you gotfor your How about some of my
favorite artists in the space?

Gramajo (35:47):
yeah, let's gimme that.
What are you looking forward to?
Why don't you gimme yourfavorite artist in the space
right now, and then why don'tyou give me what are you looking
forward to?
So that's one of the segments Ihave in, in my newsletter is
like something I'm looking

Aldover (36:00):
Oh, yeah.

Gramajo (36:01):
week.
It doesn't have to be this weekfor you, but like just in
general, what are you looking

Aldover (36:05):
All right.
Some of my favorite have to gowith favorite, lesser known.
I guess a W's gonna get prettybig cuz he just got in super
rare.
And Mr.
Lake on, if you've never seenhis work, he's really into
animated PFPs and stuff.

Gramajo (36:20):
Yeah, I have a couple of early pieces from from Mondo.
Actually.
I don't know how I found Mondosuper randomly, but,

Aldover (36:28):
yeah.

Gramajo (36:28):
yeah, that helped

Aldover (36:30):
Yeah.
So he's been really grinding andeverything he does is like
really good character work.
So I'm looking forward to seewhere he goes because I don't
know, he can do a lot of likelare like art, but at the same
time it's his own style.

Gramajo (36:44):
Yeah, I'm good.

Aldover (36:46):
And there's just that huge swath of other glitch
artists on Tesa are pretty cool,like tack unbearable knife, king
Xerox.
Outside of Glitch, probablyMaxwell Inked is really cool
too.

Gramajo (36:59):
Oh, 100%

Aldover (37:00):
Yeah.
On the Ethereum side, I reallylike Alpha Zari kid, but I don't
know, he's massive already.

Gramajo (37:09):
huge.
Nah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But it could be anyone.
Think of it like someone it'sfunny because I feel like, so we
obviously are hanging around thesame kind of space right now,
like me and you.
But there's plenty of peoplethat I like that maybe have
heard of him.
I don't know.
Yeah.

(37:29):
It, and they could.
I don't wanna say Wales, butthey could be like big accounts
and they just, they're just intheir own world of N F T that
isn't similar to ours.

Aldover (37:39):
Yeah, that's true.
There's just mega artists outthere that we don't even talk
about regularly.

Gramajo (37:45):
Exactly.
Yeah.
So yeah, officer Centridefinitely hype to burn my max
pain.
Gotta figure out what color I'ma go for.
I think I'm a go for the alphadog, orange

Aldover (37:57):
I like that yellow one that he showed today too.
I actually burned one of thosebefore he even announced to burn

Gramajo (38:06):
You're like, I already know where we're going.

Aldover (38:08):
but it's not going to net me anything.
I think it was just straight tothe Flames,

Gramajo (38:12):
Yeah.
Yeah.

Aldover (38:13):
because the burn itself is gonna be an exchange website
that he's setting up withManifold.

Gramajo (38:19):
Which is gonna be really dope actually.

Aldover (38:21):
Yeah.
He gets them to do whatever hewants.
It's pretty cool.

Gramajo (38:24):
Agreed.

Aldover (38:25):
a, yeah he's really close with the developer or the
owner of Manifold, Richard,whatever his name is,

Gramajo (38:32):
Yeah.
And it helps all of us it is a

Aldover (38:34):
they developed,

Gramajo (38:35):
that we do.

Aldover (38:36):
yeah.
Cuz they developed these toolsaround him that other people can
use, which is really cool.

Gramajo (38:42):
I think if I think when we look back on let's say next,
next bull like the tools, theonboarding aspect of it that's
what I think about.
So I know you were talking abouthow you're in you've been in
tech and all that.
So of the things that I had todeal with in my real life from a
job perspective is like changemanagement, like global

(39:03):
deployments of systems and Allthese crazy things.
And so I think of.
the end user experienceconstantly.
And so when I look at just theNFT space, I think like part of
the reason why I started, Ithink minting is just so I could
become familiar with thatprocess

Aldover (39:22):
Oh yeah, what can I do?

Gramajo (39:23):
that.
Yeah.
And then like how do I fit intothat equation and trying to help
the next wave of people As much.
And I think with ACK workingwith manifold and stuff like
that, I think it's, yeah, Ithink

Aldover (39:36):
yeah.

Gramajo (39:37):
It to the next bowl is gonna be great.

Aldover (39:38):
it's brilliant.
Yeah.
I always think of that samething too.
What can I do myself to getbetter in the space?
So I've been just trying out allthese different things, from
just learning Blender andPhotoshop on my own, just to see
what I can make out there.
And just looking at likesolidity contracts and how that
dev work happens.

Gramajo (39:58):
Yeah, exactly.
Hey,

Aldover (40:01):
Yeah.

Gramajo (40:03):
and then so what other artists do you like or what
other or what are you lookingforward to in the general, are
you gonna buy a doodle now thatthey announced

Aldover (40:12):
I was hoping they would get cheaper and I would have
Ethereum too, buy it.
Let's see who else.
There's also Bono and TJ Hinoson Tez that I really like,

Gramajo (40:25):
Yeah.
I'm

Aldover (40:26):
just like, all that same

Gramajo (40:27):
I'm actually on TJ's profile right now.

Aldover (40:30):
Let's see.
Those guys are really cool.
And they're just making art BDOslike,

Gramajo (40:34):
what was that first one you said?
Bda?

Aldover (40:36):
yeah.
Have you ever seen bdo?
He has like the coolest vibes inhis art.
It's all his work is either likereally chill or he had this new,
he just came out with this newhostile collection, which is
this like a more aggressive tonefrom what he already makes.
Give you a link

Gramajo (40:54):
Thanks.
Appreciate that.

Aldover (40:55):
and.
His works pretty cheaper rightnow.
Still also, you wanna sweep him.
So the stuff in the red, blacktones for black and yellow tones
is his current collection thathe's been dropping, which is
hostile, which is a lot moreaggressive and dark than what
he's usually makes, which is theother stuff in the purple,

(41:17):
green, and blue, which I've beencollecting a lot of.

Gramajo (41:19):
Yeah.
Good stuff.
Yeah.

Aldover (41:27):
Yeah, there's actually some PFPs.
Go ahead.

Gramajo (41:32):
I was gonna say I was, as I'm looking now, like my
random profile.
And the first thing, cuz it'sbeen a while since I've
collected on Tez, was also's, aFunker F Fortune token.

Aldover (41:43):
Oh yeah.
The tokens for bidding on hisfunks.
I got a bunch of those tokens.
I've never won a funk in mylife.
I actually bid on the firstthree funks that ever cropped,
but then I never went back toactually win one.

Gramajo (42:01):
Yeah.
You gotta get yourself a funkman.

Aldover (42:03):
Yeah.
I

Gramajo (42:05):
Although they're crazy now, or they were okay for a
bit.
They dropped up like a hundredtezos at some point,

Aldover (42:12):
I got a bunch of Tes ray to buy the color one once
when it was still available, andthen somebody bought it, so I
was like, all right, I'm done.

Gramajo (42:26):
Yeah.
So anything you're lookingforward to in the next coming

Aldover (42:29):
When they actually figure out how to do NFT gaming
correctly, I think that there'sgonna be something that really
blows the market away.
And that's what I'm lookingforward to is the first company
that does NFT gaming.

Gramajo (42:42):
Yeah.

Aldover (42:43):
Cuz everything else for NFT games, right?
They come up with NFTs first andthen they try to build a game
around it, which is completelyasinine.
It's never gonna work.

Gramajo (42:52):
100% agreed.
Have you heard have you listenedto by any chance Dave and Goose
in their part, like their spacesthat they do like on Mondays?

Aldover (43:02):
no, I don't actually listen to a lot of podcasts or
spaces.
So

Gramajo (43:07):
All

Aldover (43:08):
where they, yeah.

Gramajo (43:09):
Yeah.
So the reason why I bring it upis that there's a guy in the
Monster Server he's a moderator.
He actually good friend met himin real life a couple times now,
KO or Kong.

Aldover (43:20):
Oh, yeah.

Gramajo (43:21):
Yeah.
So he

Aldover (43:23):
I haven't followed on Twitter.

Gramajo (43:24):
yeah, so he works in the gaming industry.
Or he used to, I think withouttrying to dox some too crazy,
but he was saying how, samething as you're saying,
basically like how all these p de or like the games they're
thinking of the N F T first,like exactly like you said

(43:45):
versus the game.
And really, like the gamedevelopment one is super hard.
If you, I've remember like CD,project Red or whatever, when
they were doing the Witcher.
they announced it and then theywere like, we'll see you in
three or four years for cyberbunk or something.
And it takes time like from whatI can see.
And you don't even get a writeat launch.

(44:05):
And then yeah, you're right.
Like they gotta make, they gottamake it fun or else what's the
point of kind of no one's gonnacome play the game

Aldover (44:12):
Yeah.
Still wait for Halflife three.
Yeah.
There's so many good games outthere where if you just tacked N
F T onto the game that alreadyexists, it would've been a huge
success.
Like World Warcraft, Fortnite,if the assets there were just
NFTs and they weren't, itwould've been insane.
Yeah.
See,

Gramajo (44:29):
would've been dope.

Aldover (44:30):
and I think that's what I'd be looking forward to the
most in the space and be able toget into it early enough where
I'm not the one breaking my bank

Gramajo (44:39):
True.
I feel that.

Aldover (44:42):
but actually still am excited for some p ps.
I actually bought a new chimptoday

Gramajo (44:49):
Oh, you bought a Tramper.

Aldover (44:50):
I, Yeah,

Gramajo (44:52):
I like chimps.
Chimps is good.
I still three landers too.

Aldover (44:59):
Yeah, I know.
And it's actually pretty lowright now, isn't it?

Gramajo (45:02):
Yeah, they're stupid low right now,

Aldover (45:04):
Yeah.
How about three lenders?
Could be the next doodle.
Just cause it looks like thenext doodle

Gramajo (45:10):
Yeah.
It's not too late.
This bear's kind of weird.
I feel like it's all over theplace.

Aldover (45:15):
Yeah.
So what PFPs are you stillcollecting now outside of three
lenders?

Gramajo (45:20):
Honestly, I've just been focusing on, mostly, I've
been focusing on getting, so forsure, like all the Alpha Dog
pieces.
Still really think they'resigning up with great artists
and all that for year two andyeah, so I'm really digging that

(45:41):
and that's of where I try andstick to it right now.
Just

Aldover (45:43):
Yeah.
That's because that's easy.
We don't have to make anydecisions.
I really like that part aboutthat

Gramajo (45:48):
yeah, no, 100% man.
100%.
Yeah, just cuz right now I'm ata I feel comfortable, like with
the assets that I've acquired,when I thought we were not at
the bottom, but like where wewere.
So I'm personally stacking justmoney until I see where the
market goes.
Like I want to see if it goes alittle bit further down and then

(46:10):
I'll continue acquiring.
Or even if it goes up like$500,let's say like I won't be.
With myself cuz you know, eveneth at$2,100 is still good in my
opinion.

Aldover (46:23):
Yeah, that's true.
I should follow your steps

Gramajo (46:26):
So I'm just waiting to see I'm honestly in a hold in
weight pattern for the mostpart.
So I'm acquiring like I'mbuilding up my assets, like on
ETH Bitcoin still.
I'm trying to get some moreAcorn still got my looks going.
So I'm acquiring like thecrypto, but not necessarily NFTs
unless it's like something solike the new lares, I got that

(46:47):
randomly

Aldover (46:48):
see.
So

Gramajo (46:49):
So whenever it makes sense, I'll, yeah.
So like, whenever it makessense, I'll bring money into the

Aldover (46:54):
like a lure white list or something like that, right?

Gramajo (46:56):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like the only one that's made mebe like, damn, like maybe I
should bring out some money forthis is like a super rare from a
w I think that's like one that'son.
Like on my radar.
Cause I actually don't own asingle piece on superhero, which
is nuts.

Aldover (47:13):
Crazy.
Yeah.
I got my very first one was atheart

Gramajo (47:16):
yeah, that's a good one to start with, man.
Seriously.
Yeah.
So I think, yeah.
And then as what I'm lookingforward to the 12 month reward
announcement for Alpha Dog

Aldover (47:27):
Yeah.
Same I don't,

Gramajo (47:30):
keep badgering over that

Aldover (47:32):
yep.
That's one of my favoritethings, man.
It's just messing with the birdson that.

Gramajo (47:37):
I know that, that's why I bring it up.
Cuz I'm gonna, I'm gonna leavethis in here.
I'm gonna leave this bit in herefor sure.
I think they know that I thinkthey know that we're just like
messing around too.

Aldover (47:45):
I think we're pretty, we're getting close to guessing
who it is though, cuz they justget more quiet

Gramajo (47:51):
yeah.
What's your guess then if youhad to put a guess?

Aldover (47:56):
prediction.
It could be Alpha's, entire kid.

Gramajo (48:01):
You think so

Aldover (48:01):
Yeah they got a lot more active on Responding to his
tweets or just being more activeon his Twitter or in his
community?

Gramajo (48:09):
this is how the conspiracy theory starts.

Aldover (48:11):
yeah, So I don't know.
What are your predictions?
Any

Gramajo (48:17):
You know that actually now that you say that makes so
much sense.

Aldover (48:22):
and very early on into Alpha Dog, I, when Mondo asks
any artists that you would wantto see on our lineups for the
next two years, I just keptsaying a c k And then didn't
even know who he was at thetime, so I had to show him all
his Twitter information and hisaccounts and things he sold
before.
So I don't know if he reachedout to him then and just kept

(48:43):
pressuring him.

Gramajo (48:46):
Oh, that's spicy.
That's spicy.
I like it a lot actually,

Aldover (48:51):
Yeah.
See,

Gramajo (48:52):
because I remember, okay, and this could be like, I
could be tripping, man, but Iswear cuz I jokingly kept saying
X copy for a hot minute.
And then they were I think theywere alluding that they were
like in the same, and I'm nottrying to say that they're in
the same genre but they'resimilar-ish.

(49:15):
And they were.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they were of hinting at likethey were hinting at some stuff.
So I don't know.
All right.

Aldover (49:22):
Yeah.
And I don't know, and a did do acollab with X copy.
That's what kind of sprung hiscareer.
So it's very interesting thatcuz they have a really pretty
close relationship.

Gramajo (49:37):
Yeah.

Aldover (49:39):
ex most famous piece was a collab.
He started with X copy and thenhe just started making his own
name since then.

Gramajo (49:47):
yeah, that is a interesting, I would be happy,
actually.
That would be dope as hell, man.

Aldover (49:52):
Yeah.
It'll be sick.

Gramajo (49:54):
A one of even in that orange too.
Yeah.
You You know who am actually,I've been like looking forward
to that came out of nowhere forme.
His cardinal.

Aldover (50:06):
Oh yeah.
He just started making things

Gramajo (50:08):
Yeah.
Like I, he just posted I don'tknow.
No, actually, was it, oh yeah.
He just he or she just postedthis the violent move.

Aldover (50:16):
we don't know what to see.
Or he

Gramajo (50:18):
Yeah.
So I'd just say he, she,

Aldover (50:20):
They, yeah.
Remember that day we weretalking in the Alpha Dog chat
and I was showing the noise fromJack and he's what the hell is
that?
He made his own noise.

Gramajo (50:30):
that was for good.
Hysterical, man.
That's why I kept tagging themsaying I need Cardinal.
It was almost like the DaveChapski.
Oh, like someone called Jah.
I need to know how to feel aboutthis.
I literally wanted to be likesomeone called Cardinal.
I need to know how to feel aboutthis

Aldover (50:46):
That was awesome.

Gramajo (50:47):
cause that thread was freaking hysterical, man.

Aldover (50:49):
made me time, and I still don't know how to feel
about noise.

Gramajo (50:54):
I know.
I definitely need, if I'mactually like, I'm working on a
project and I'm for sure gonnarun it through Cardinal and just
be like, Feedback, dad.
Just talk shit to me right now.
Oh man.

Aldover (51:08):
Yeah.
I've been messing around withPhotoshop and then every time I
get stuck on something I say,Hey, a w how do you do this?

Gramajo (51:15):
Oh, that's hilarious.
Has he Is AWS a he?

Aldover (51:18):
Yeah.

Gramajo (51:19):
Okay.
So has has he been sharing alittle bit.

Aldover (51:21):
Yeah, once in a while he'd be like, oh, you just gotta
go into these settings and thenset the frame rate or something
like that.

Gramajo (51:28):
That's cool, man.
That's dope.
I love that.
That's

Aldover (51:30):
Yeah.
I actually gave him a goodkickstart when we were doing the
shit coin stuff.
So he's, we've been pretty closesince then.

Gramajo (51:37):
That's awesome.
Yeah.
Shit, coins fricking, that'sservice hilarious, man.
I love the energy that's inthere for sure.
It definitely if fits my vibefor sure.

Aldover (51:45):
Yeah, we actually loaded a lot of things in the
pipe, but he just hasn't gottento it.
So we'll see how that goes.
Cuz you know how Deb Birds isalways touting how great Jake's
DJ coin is for all the utilityand all the other D coins are aw
actually has a lot more ideasfor his coin too.

Gramajo (52:01):
Yeah.
Oh, you know who else is who,who else is I'm really enjoying
the direction that they're goingin now.
Is east or Basque a

Aldover (52:12):
Oh yeah.
So she says hi.
Once in a while.
AAW servers a

Gramajo (52:15):
Yeah she's definitely I love the direction that she's
going in now.
Like really enjoying the newpieces.
I

Aldover (52:24):
I have actually never collected any of that APE stuff.

Gramajo (52:28):
Oh, no way.
You don't have a Basque ape.

Aldover (52:30):
No.
And I have four or five bass,Gunks,

Gramajo (52:34):
That's hilarious.
Yeah.
I don't know what it was.
I like I'm a, I really Basquiatlike a lot and that's I'm sure a
very hipster thing to say.
Like a lot of people I'm suresay that it's like Andy Warhol
or some shit.

Aldover (52:48):
I like this can of soup

Gramajo (52:50):
yeah, exactly.
yeah, I don't know.
So I like Pesa and then I saw itwasn't like like templatize it
was like very I could tell itwas like definitely hand drawn
and there was effort into it.
So I, I just really liked it.
I was definitely rocking it as pfor a hot But I'm liking like,
like the, where it's going now,like I'll even, I'll link this

(53:12):
one here.

Aldover (53:13):
yeah.
I'm looking at the BAS Apecollection.
The last time, what APE Sold wasthree months ago.
It's of sad, but the floor'sstill like three 50, so maybe
that's why.

Gramajo (53:23):
Yeah.
I think people are just holdingon, Yeah.

Aldover (53:25):
see.

Gramajo (53:26):
I think I.
Let's see.
I'll do this first person to

Aldover (53:32):
Oh, that's pretty

Gramajo (53:32):
I'll give them a picture of mine.
There you go.
Let's see.
We'll see who's actuallylistening and watching

Aldover (53:41):
Wait, this is live

Gramajo (53:42):
This is, no, this is not live.
This will just make it into therecording when I drop it.
We'll see who makes it this farinto the whole thing.
Let's see if it happens.
You'll be my, you'll be my mywitness.
If someone tweets me

Aldover (53:58):
very t j o

Gramajo (53:59):
with their TE's address, I'll send him
something.
Oh, man.

Aldover (54:07):
I actually have a bunch of bass kicks too.

Gramajo (54:10):
Oh my God.
Those are actually pretty goodthough.
I like those.

Aldover (54:13):
Yeah.
That you could tell.
Their hand drawn.
He posts him drawing them.

Gramajo (54:18):
Oh, Jay Ram too.
He's coming out with some crazystuff.

Aldover (54:21):
Oh yeah.

Gramajo (54:23):
Yeah.
Jay Ram's got some crazy stuff.
Did you see the new one fromtoday or like

Aldover (54:26):
Not yet.
He's hilarious too.
He talks Ondo bunch of this too.

Gramajo (54:29):
Yeah.
I don't think he understands my,he or she doesn't understand my
humor just yet.
Or maybe they do now.
I think maybe now they learnedcuz on someone came on the Ghost
Discord and it was after Janethad just announced like
Dinglings creator and the personwas like, who's Dingling?

(54:53):
And how did they get a whitelist or something completely
Like you could tell that personhad no idea like Behind getting
that piece.
But the piece looked crazy.
Obviously.
I don't know if you've seen theCreators, but it was hell funny.
Cause everyone's like, you don'tknow who Dingling is.

Aldover (55:08):
oh my God.
Dingling is the reason I gotdestroyed so much on top Shot

Gramajo (55:12):
Oh my God.
I wouldn't doubt it, dude.
Yeah,

Aldover (55:14):
He was going in and buying every number one of every
single moment for like hundredsof thousands of dollars over
asking And then people werelike, okay, then top shot's
gonna moon, right?

Gramajo (55:27):
exactly.
Yeah.
None.
I think he still has it on hislike Twitter profile if I, I'm

Aldover (55:30):
yeah, it just turned out he had infinite money.

Gramajo (55:35):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.

Aldover (55:37):
Oh God, dad, that creator looks insane.
Do you have any ghosts?

Gramajo (55:40):
The digging late.
Yeah.
I only have a, the bronze tierI'm not that fancy.

Aldover (55:45):
That's still something, right?
Isn't it like sexy?

Gramajo (55:48):
Not anymore, dude.
You can get'em pretty cheap now.
Actually.
I was actually thinking aboutgetting, that's like the other
one I was thinking about gettinganother one of, but I was

Aldover (55:55):
so hard.

Gramajo (55:55):
thinking of getting the lunar instead, cause I have a
Gemini, which I'm not even aGemini, I just really like, The
way it looks.

Aldover (56:03):
was it just cheap at the time?

Gramajo (56:05):
No mean, I still paid three eat or something for it.

Aldover (56:08):
Oh God.
All

Gramajo (56:09):
Yeah.
And I think you can get'em forone right now.

Aldover (56:12):
Yeah.
I can't follow all this ghoststuff.
There is so much rules incollecting

Gramajo (56:18):
There's a lot, man.
There's so much, there's so manyprojects out there.
It's insane.
It's hard to keep up.

Aldover (56:22):
Actually, monsters follows the ghost stuff right?
The way Laris does his monsterswith tears.

Gramajo (56:30):
Yeah.
Yeah.

Aldover (56:31):
Yeah.

Gramajo (56:32):
Yeah.
Monsters is like home base forme.
It's for sure where I spend waytoo many hours.
Same with alpha Dog.
Those are like the two servers.
I spend

Aldover (56:42):
you still don't have your wonderful monster yet,

Gramajo (56:45):
No, man.
One day, one day, all I have isthe, all I have is the crafter.
It's like a one of 10.

Aldover (56:53):
Oh yeah, that was the one he dropped on wearable when
they went to Te Sorry.

Gramajo (56:57):
Yeah, I didn't get it on drop day.

Aldover (57:00):
It's dipped before though, so that's pretty cool.

Gramajo (57:02):
Yeah, I like it.
There's not many yellow monsters

Aldover (57:07):
Yeah, that's true.

Gramajo (57:08):
that's unique aspect of it.
But I definitely want to,there's a couple, like one of
fives that I'm, I got my eye on.
But I think that's the goal.
Like during this bear, I don'tknow, cuz I know Lu Cross, he's,
he hasn't been running auctions,but if for some reason does at
some point during, hopefullybefore next March or April, then

(57:32):
I think I'm gonna make a swing

Aldover (57:34):
go in.
Yeah.
How about the the pieces thatgive you the life of Mon Air
drop?

Gramajo (57:39):
oh, an icon.

Aldover (57:40):
Yeah.
Aren't

Gramajo (57:41):
I've been debating getting an icon.
Yeah, that's a pretty goodentry.

Aldover (57:45):
I really love those pieces too.
They're just so funny.

Gramajo (57:49):
they're all really good.

Aldover (57:50):
The icons are great and then the life of mine, airdrops
are all, have all been awesome

Gramajo (57:55):
100%.
I've got all of'em and I

Aldover (57:57):
Oh, okay.

Gramajo (57:58):
Yeah I really like them all.

Aldover (58:00):
And then when lake on had an icon, Mr.
Lake on, had an icon, his wasreally cool.
So that was the time I thoughtmaybe I should get in

Gramajo (58:07):
it's actually on sale I think right now.

Aldover (58:09):
Is there really?
Probably still.

Gramajo (58:12):
Yeah.

Aldover (58:13):
Let me check.

Gramajo (58:14):
Hit, up.
Dave.
Dave's the guy that has it, ifI'm not mistaken.

Aldover (58:18):
Oh, you're right,

Gramajo (58:20):
Yeah.
I'm sure he's willing to work.
He loves trading and wheelingand dealing yeah.

Aldover (58:28):
yes.
I spoke to him one time before.
It was pretty random.
It was cuz I saw he got whitelists for Hoppers and I said,
are you gonna buy the Hoppers?
Because a lot of time PFPs werelike not doing so well.

Gramajo (58:38):
Yeah,

Aldover (58:39):
yeah, I'm just gonna buy and sell some right away.
I just bought and hold theminstead.

Gramajo (58:43):
I still have my hopper, dude.
I have a badass hopper actually.

Aldover (58:47):
Yeah.

Gramajo (58:47):
Yeah,

Aldover (58:48):
They got a pretty cool one.

Gramajo (58:49):
A legit hopper too.
It is nuts actually.

Aldover (58:52):
Yeah.

Gramajo (58:54):
Yeah.
Let me see if I can find it.
I just

Aldover (58:56):
Stuck your collection.

Gramajo (58:58):
ASA.
It looks like we got somethingfor the grun.

Aldover (59:04):
Oh yeah.

Gramajo (59:06):
I don't know what it could be.
You think it's a

Aldover (59:08):
Oh.
Start something actually airjogged your girl cuz he got so
many which is really cool ofhim.

Gramajo (59:13):
That's nice.
Yeah, I have 20 Grun.

Aldover (59:19):
Oh no.
Why are you got the one of one.

Gramajo (59:20):
Yeah, I have to

Aldover (59:21):
You swept it.
Yeah.

Gramajo (59:23):
Let's see.
Lemme see if I can find myprofile.

Aldover (59:37):
Yeah.
But I think the best move in thespace is when I went to TE and
started diversifying the artrather than just buying the next
few animal

Gramajo (59:47):
I agree.
Yeah.
It takes, I think it takes timeto get to that realization,

Aldover (59:52):
Yeah, you gotta get thickened skin and be down a lot
first before you figure it out.

Gramajo (01:00:01):
Yeah.
Let's see where is my hopper?
Did I send it to my

Aldover (01:00:09):
so I found your wallet.

Gramajo (01:00:11):
I know I have three wallets though, so I'm trying to
figure out which one it said.
Is it in my lukewarm wallet oris it in my

Aldover (01:00:18):
And I'm looking at Jake Ram Maho four, but all I see is
the hopper airdrop where he'sholding the bat.

Gramajo (01:00:26):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Let me see.
Where is it?

Aldover (01:00:34):
Oh, you have two pieces of noise.
Anyway.
Played

Gramajo (01:00:37):
I do, but apparently I needed three more

Aldover (01:00:40):
Yeah

Gramajo (01:00:40):
For the burn.
Oh, there goes that.

Aldover (01:00:43):
Just sell them for 0.02 now.

Gramajo (01:00:46):
That's true.

Aldover (01:00:50):
See?
There you go.
Don't get attached.
Got you.

Gramajo (01:00:53):
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
I do

Aldover (01:00:55):
No problem.

Gramajo (01:00:56):
Where is this thing?
No, I gotta show you now.
I think it's for two

Aldover (01:01:05):
I'll find my hopper while you look for yours.

Gramajo (01:01:07):
Yeah.

Aldover (01:01:09):
Show you mine if you show yours.

Gramajo (01:01:12):
Exactly.
Is what happens when you havetoo many vaults or too many like
squirrely places.
Oh, here we go.
I did send it to the vault.
Good.
Cuz there's no way I'll sellthis

Aldover (01:01:29):
Okay.

Gramajo (01:01:31):
Hoppers 72, 65.

Aldover (01:01:35):
Oh, that's pretty dope.
Look at the earrings.

Gramajo (01:01:37):
I know.
Looking like a thug.
I love it.

Aldover (01:01:43):
the hopper tag and everything.
Yeah, the dragon ones are dope.
Even the wing has an earringthat matches your earring.
That's very cool, dude.

Gramajo (01:01:52):
I really like this one for some reason.
Yeah.

Aldover (01:01:54):
He is blinged out.
All right.

Gramajo (01:01:58):
Yeah.
Let's see.
Yours.
Shaka is hilarious, man.
That foot licking emoji has beenhysterical for me.

Aldover (01:02:06):
Yeah.

Gramajo (01:02:07):
I know people are like, what's wrong with that guy?
But it is hilarious.

Aldover (01:02:16):
I got one with Dragon Winks, but I think this is the
one I like more.

Gramajo (01:02:24):
I was trying to get bad bunny to get one for the while
for a hot ass minute.

Aldover (01:02:28):
Yeah.

Gramajo (01:02:29):
I kept tagging it.
I was like, bro, you need abunny.
Get a hopper.
Oh, this is actually reallycool.
I like this.

Aldover (01:02:34):
Yeah,

Gramajo (01:02:35):
Like the dripping paint.
Yeah.

Aldover (01:02:37):
Hey, it's Blood Man.

Gramajo (01:02:40):
I like this actually.
This is dope.

Aldover (01:02:42):
It's pretty cool with the backpack.
It's just completely out ofplace.

Gramajo (01:02:45):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Shit.
All right.
I think I'm gonna get goingsoon.

Aldover (01:02:55):
All right.
Very good.

Gramajo (01:02:57):
Thanks again, man.
Appreciate this.
I'm

Aldover (01:02:59):
Yeah, it's fun.

Gramajo (01:03:00):
it's gonna take some time for me to chop it up and
then I gotta figure out how tohost it, where to host it, All
right, man.
See you.
Thanks again for doing this.
Appreciate it