September 1, 2022 • 35 mins
Welcome to another episode of Behind the Shadows—the podcast where we talk all things shadows with cast, crew, and celebrity guests. I'm your host, Harvey Guillen, AKA Guillermo de la Cruz. Today's guest is the one, the only, first love interest to Guillermo de la Cruz. It's Al Roberts. We find out which of us played a wickedly talented wizard in a Japanese production of Wicked. And we find out who else in the cast he's played a love interest to. Ooh, shame.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome to another episode of Behind the Shadows, the podcast
where we talk all things shadows with cast, crew and
celebrity guests. I'm your host Harvicki and hekie Giete mod
la Cruz. Today's guest is the one the only first
love interest to Giermo de la Cruz. It's our Roberts.
We find out which one of us played a wickedly
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talented wizard in a Japanese production of Wicked, and we
find out who else in the cast he's played a
love interest to.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Shame, breathing this soul, bewhelming her bizarre has so tell
me who I would anyone want to be alive.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Death might have a reputation before she arrives, but trust me,
we have way more finly life, We.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Have way more on the life.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We're so excited to have you on the show because
people have been asking who you are, where have you been,
how did this happen? All of these things? And this
week's episode is one of my favorite, just because it's
so great to see what happened while was away in London,
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and that's your character, and well, why don't you tell
us how did you come across a playing Germo's first
and only love interest.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yes, wow, well, thank you so much for having me. Firstly, yeah,
I mean it was a whirlwind, you know. I mean
I got the audition so excited, you know, firstly because
I've been a fan of the show since the beginning,
and then to get this audition, it was just like wow.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Read the script.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
You know, it was one of those where you feel
you kind of feel on a wave link with the writer.
Maybe I mean, maybe you're just a sort of deluded actor,
but you know, I felt like, wow, I can kind
of see maybe you know that the vision of what
Freddie is and who he is, and you know, did
the tape and then you send it in and then
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I don't know about you, but you know, you try
your hardest to forget it ever existed, because so often,
you know, you get you get sort of let down
or whatever, or you know, it doesn't always work out.
And I found that very hard to do with this
tape because I was so excited. And then, you know,
I think a week to the day that I sent
the tape in, I saw my agent calling, and she
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only calls when it's good news, and I just had
a feeling. I was like, oh my god, you know,
I could be beat to Toronto, and that's what happened.
And then it was and then just suddenly act because
I was on holiday at the time, it was a
scramble back to London and then you know, over to Toron.
I mean it was crazy, Like I think I spent
like five nights in five, five different cities. I was
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an international man of mystery for a for a small
period of time and then yeah, about a week and
a half filming and Harvey. Yeah, it was just it
was just a dream. It was just a dream. And
I've never been in a show where you know, I
knew the show beforehand. I was a fan of the
show beforehand. So it's that thing of like popping up
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in your own television screen, you know. It was, it was,
it was, It was crazy. But I was just sort
of pinching myself the whole way through.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
That's so cool, because it's great. You were on holiday.
Were you where were you Spain?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
You were out of I was in I was in France,
so I can give you this, this this crazy five
city itinery so yeah, So it went from Bone to
Lyon to Paris, to London to Toronto and it was
you know, COVID reasons as well, and it was all
sort of trains and it was all it was all
incredibly exciting, and you know, on the trains, I was
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listening to the theme music, you know, you know is
that kind of like oh yeah, you know, it's just
one of those moments where where you just you know,
you can't believe it.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
It was, yeah, so incredibly exciting.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, you got to set, did you walk around and
uh and then say like, oh, there's that? Like you know,
I know if I were to go on set of
something that I've watched so you know, and I'm a
fan of I would easily have done that. I've gone
to sets around like that's the you know, you put
things together and like that's the scene where that took place.
But that is the scene where you know Natasha's character
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or Kevon's character that like, you know, did you walk
around the setting and look around and become like a
little museum totally?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I mean some slight context is that the day that
the director DJ showed me around, which he didn't need
to do, by the way, probably had a million things
to do, so so nice of him.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I was.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
My big plan was to was to I was just
like I was a kind of vampire, you know, of
my own of my own making, because I tried not
to sleep on the plane, and the big idea was
to sleep when I got to my accommodation. And problem is,
I didn't sleep when I got to my accommodation. So
I'd been about, you know, kind of fifty hours without
without sleep. So yeah, I was very excited, but it
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felt it felt like a dream, I've got to be
honest with you. And the sets are so amazing that
it kind of feels like real life, you know, like, yeah,
to be in that in that fancy room, and it
feels kind of even bigger in real life than it
seems on screen. And you notice the level of detail,
like there's a there's a stuffed animal sort of staring
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at you from every single corner of you know, the
more you look, the more you find. Yeah, just just
incredibly exciting, and little things you don't kind of anticipate,
you know, like I assumed it was one house, but
of course, you know, you have the interior and then
you have the exterior, which is which is separate. You know,
little things like that kind of blew my mind a little,
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even though had I thought about it, that probably would
have been you.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Know, the case.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
But but but yeah, no, it's it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
The backstory to uh Germo and your character meeting. How
do you think they met? And walk me through me
what Baxter you gave your character and how they actually met.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Well, Freddie is such an interesting guy and and and
well he obviously, you know, Gamo was such an incredible character.
And yeah, so I thought about I think you mentioned
that that that that we met on the tube, like
the subway in London. So I guess that's the context.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Oh yeah, that was that was my backstory.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I was like, oh, I see, yeah, but I guess
I guess, yeah, I I kind of see Freddy. You know,
he's he's a he's a romantic guy. I think he's
there's a sort of timeless quality to him. You could
sort of see him existing in all sorts of different
kind of centuries or whatever. And you know, he works
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for Southeby's, he's he's you know, he this this this antiquestealer.
I think he would have done something romantic, you know,
straight from the off, they would have had this conversation
on the tube, and he's he's a kind of bon vivoor.
I think you know, he's a he's a he's a
kind of you know, it would be like come, come,
let's let's let let let's have a drink, you know
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kind of thing. I I think I think that that
side of him felt felt pretty pretty strong.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I mean, uh, yeah, how about you?
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Did you ever did you ever think about what those
first moments would have been?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, I thought it was like, you know, kind of
align with what you're saying as well, like maybe like
he went to you know, the antique you know, Southeby's
or something to like maybe he's fond of of old
artifacts and stuff that he used to have at the
house with the door and whatnot, or like, and so
maybe he was at Southern Be's just looking around and
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then like you happen to be there, And then I
was like, oh, and then he must have felt really
comfortable with him to like completely take him up on
the offer or vice versa. I think I think it
would have been Freddy who asked Gill, because I was like,
would Giero have the guts to do it? Because he's
been so you know, kind of in the closet for
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lack of a better word, you know, And I don't
think he was as as strong or as courageous to
take that first leap. I think so I think maybe
it was Freddy who kind of helped him kind of
come out of his you know, cocoon or metamorphosis into
a new version of Guillermo that you just needed that
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extra push. I think so maybe it was that. I
think for me that was like that was that was
a sweeter way of saying, yeah, he just found the
right person at the right time, and it all worked.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Out and we am way off on me as a light.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And unfortunately for for Giermo, it doesn't work out well
this episode because he brings him back. He brings him back,
you know. And also I gotta imagine they've probably been
dating for a couple of months. I'd say he met
him early on in the trip. He's been in London
for a year, probably met Freddy like two months in
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three months in kind of enough time, you know, to
really develop feelings for someone and to really kind of
become connected to Freddy and and then bring him to
introduce him into the household. You surprise him you know,
when you come home and or you come to his
door and you're like, surprise, I got your your you know,
your address from the post. I'm sorry mail. You know
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the idea that like he shows up and kind of
like wow's Nandor and Nander makes a copy of you,
mix Marwa into a copy of you or a character.
And that's so heartbreaking because it's like it's you know,
that kid in the playground and see someone else with
a brand new you know, ball or toy, and they
just can't let them play, you know, just have them
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for themselves. They have to also have it themselves, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I mean it's it's reading it back.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I mean, like it it is a it is crazy.
I mean it's one of the most momentous and you know,
sort of destructive things that that that Nandor has has done.
I think up to this point, like it's a huge decision,
and it has such ramifications of course for for for
Freddy and for Marwa and and for for GMO of course,
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like you know this this is such an important moment,
uh and and it's so it's so sort of tragic
in a way. And that's I think, you know, one
of the amazing things about the episode is that the
highs and the lows, it just comes at you so
so fast. And yeah, I was really exciting to to
to tell that story because it's quite a story, like
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it goes off in all sorts of you know, amazing
and interesting directions, and you know, I get that, I
sort of understand that there's been you know, understandably some
speculation as to what this episode is going to look like.
I can't imagine anyone really predicting all the beats because
it is you know, you know, imaginative in the in
the extreme, like it.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Looks fantastic, it looks so good. And also, you know,
you have to play two different versions, you know, one
obviously Freddy and one Freddy filtered through Marwah and so's
Freddy point two. How is that playing yourself into a character,
two different characters in the same scene.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yeah, well, first of all, I want to pay a
huge tribute to the actor Kevin Claydon, who paid my
or Freddy's body double, who was unbelievable like he was
so you know, you don't see him in the show,
but he's constantly you know, mapping what I'd done in
previous take, and he was so generous and he sees
such an amazing actor, you know, in his own right,
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and to do this, you know, with my face kind
of put onto.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
His like I really, I really, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Really felt for him. He did an unbelievable job, and
I was so grateful for his his generosity and his
you know, how thorough he was. And he's such a
lovely guy as well. So yeah, that the performance is me.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
And him, And yeah, I mean, you know, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
That there were sometimes when I had to sort of
take a step back because he was dressed like me.
He's kind of a similar sort of heightened and bill
to me. And you know, it could be easy. I'd
have to really sort of you know, I could very
easy to have a sort of out of body experience,
like staring at a version of myself kind of doing
exactly what I'd done kind of forty seconds ago in
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the previous take. But so fun, like like so fun,
complete sort of playtime. And yeah, yeah, from yeah, it
looks incredible. Yeah, I honestly don't.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
We got to go see Wicked the musical. Oh yeah, yeah,
in the story we get to I'm wearing my wicket
shirt and you can see it, but I'm wearing my
wicket in honor of our.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It's it's like I think it's the New York version.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Oh okay, but you you you were in a production
of it right for for ages, won't you?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Or I was no, no, no. So I had to
learn the track for the Wizard when I was in Japan,
and I had to learn the Wizard's part in Japanese.
So I was there doing another show and I was
doing like two musicals and then that one I had
to like learn it just in case, and which is
so funny because this was pretty fresh out of college
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and pretty young, and I was just like what and
they're like, yeah, we're gonna make you be the ship
for the Wizard. And I was like, what's like and
they're like with the white wig, and you know that
they had cast some one who was who body body
wise I was pretty close to. It was like there
were shorter style and they just put a wig on them.
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So it kind of made sense. I guess probably just
production save money on the costume or something. But I
actually learned the Wizard song in Japanese, and and to
this day, I can't hear sentimental Man without going into
into Japanese version of it, so that you know, I
know it's it's crazy. It's just like it goes on
to best I don't know how much I can say.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I don't it's incredible wowerience.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
So that was kind of fun and full circle. My
first show ever as a series regular was created by
Savannah Julie and Winnie Holtzman. Winnie Holtsman who who was
the writer for the script with on Wicked and also
wrote My So Called Life, which we just had a
poster of in a previous episode where uh, you know,
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we're trying to get called into a really good school
and they come to visit as a night quote a
poster of My So Call Life, and also it stays
up there during my visit with my family comes to
visit into town. And so we've had Winnie holts and
projects on her show My So Called Life, We've had
a Wicked and she actually is a fan of the show.
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She's actually a really big fan of the show. So
it's actually worked out perfectly. Yeah, I think she just.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Said, does she know there were these Easter eggs everywhere
for her for her to kind of Spot or.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Oh great, I mean yeah, the eggs.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
She does have fun, Yeah, she does now. And she
is a fan. She's been a fan since day one.
And her and her and her husband Paul Dooley, who
absolutely love are both the whole family is. So they
text me like every season and they're like, we're loving
this season. And when he has the sweetest voice, she's like,
I cann't imagine her text going, I'm just loving this
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season so much. You're just like the sweetest. And for
us to do this important episode with him having a
boyfriend Germo going as to see Wicked, it's just like
in being you know that I was in Japan and
I got to work with Winnie, Like it's like full circle.
It's kind of this cool. Yeah, It's just I love it.
Did you did you get to have anything? Did you
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keep anything from from filming with us? Or was there
anything that you would have wanted to keep from filming?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
I mean, I mean I loved the costumes, like yeah, yeah, yeah, Laura.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Laura mon Montgomery.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Is that the costumer a designer?
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Oh my god?
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah, first day an Emmy this year? Oh yeah, I
mean so well, so well deserved. I mean yeah, that
just just this sort of parade of extraordinary stuff, really
beautiful coats that that, you know, that the likes of
which I've never worn, and even down to the shoes
like I just she she she, yeah, I could feel
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myself sort of transforming into Freddie. And she said that
she knew that when it was good, when I sort
of like adopted his sort of body language and just
sort of, you know, a confident kind of way of being.
As soon as she put it on, it was it
was just it's just extraordinary to any of those items
of clothing I'd like to take, though I didn't.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
I didn't take any of those.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I don't think that was that was even he was
even on offer quite rightly.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
That's not how it works, is it.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
But what's else? I mean other other things.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I mean that that rug in the in the fancy room,
I got a chance to lie down on that.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
That is a comfortable rug.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Again, probably can't just be nicking that and taking that
to customs in London, but I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind.
I wouldn't mind taking that for my for my front room.
That's that's for sure. Yeah, I mean anything else.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, we are way more fun.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Well, you you got your work with Caveon and a
lot in this episode. How was that?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Did you work with Kima before I have? Yeah, it
was actually and I was thinking about this. It was
the first job that I ever did, and it was
about ten years ago, and cave On took a real
chance on me. It was a pilot that they didn't
get made in the end, but you know, talk about
full circle, like ten years on, and you know, it
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felt amazing. He's still just as sort of kind and supportive.
I'm ten years older, hopefully I wasn't quite as sort
of nervous a young stripling as I was back in
twenty thirteen or whenever. It was so yeah, he was.
He was so lovely and he even got me a
little gift, which was because we were talking about the
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cocktails they do in Toronto. There's a special like signature cocktails,
a type of bloody Mary, I think, and he got
he got me a little kind of caesar at it
with like clam juice I think in it right. Yeah,
it's it's it's it's really nice.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
It's really tasty.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
But he got me the little flakes that you put
round the rim of the glass. Because we've just been
talking about it. I found it in my trailer. I
was like, hey man, this is the swing.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
I'm going to start crying here.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
This is the sweetest thing I've ever seen in my life.
I mean, I haven't used them yet. You know, it's
quite a specific, so I haven't had a chance to
use it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Like it's like a taen like seasoning.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Yeah, And it's you know, as soon as I have
the confidence to make a Toronto, you know, Caesar cup,
then I'm going to crack it up. But it's the
thought that counts, right, And it was. He was so
so lovely and of course you you know when I
met you in the in the costume when we were
trying on our costumes, you were so lovely and supportive.
Everyone was so friendly, and you know, as you know,
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it's as soon as that, well, it makes such a difference,
doesn't it. You feel like you can relax and play
and have fun. And yeah, it's such a wonderful atmosphere
on set.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
But you're basically now part of the you know, you've
worked with the cast before, so Cavan, but you've actually
played a love interest to two of the main characters.
In this show, You've paid a love interest to Natasha
Dimitri's character, and so in her brother's show, Statlet Flats,
You've played Natasha's love interest and now you play germals
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of interest. So I feel like this is like a
real world kind.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Of I'm working through the main cast.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It's a sort of picture, well in sort of picture
right here of Natasha in love with your character in
Statlets Flats and then in comparison to.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
You and.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Well, there's a few alarities, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I have to say between al and And and Freddy,
I mean, Freddy is way more confident. That's that's that's
that's one thing I'd say, it's more confident than than me.
I mean, but but yeah, no, it's it's it's amazing
to have had that connection. And Tash of course was
so wonderful. She let me use her trailer, which was
which was which was very much appreciated. Yeah, that was
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one of the things that that I was really excited about,
was was was you know, seeing her as well and
seeing her in her element, because you guys have kind
of stolen her from from us, like as soon as
we did staff. Let's that she was cast in What
We Do in the Shadows, and she's been in Toronto
all this time, you know, I barely see her and
and Lockdown hasn't helped as well.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
So yeah, it was lovely to see her.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
In her element and see you know, and and and
hang out with her in Toronto.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
What a difference, right, just like that character you know,
its own right iconic look and all. And then the
Natasha's character in Shadows just completely different, just with this
garments and petticoats and corsets.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
And I don't think she gets enough credit for this,
Like it's extraordinary, and you know what I mean with
with like they say, with comic characters, you have with
comic chacters, you have like your right, you have one
sort of clown that you're sort of best at. And
the idea that Tash within a year was cast in
two shows where she played not only are they different,
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but they're like complete polar opposites. Like you know, Nujo's
is cruel and sort of sassy and well maybe not
sassy how a good word, but you know, cruel and
and you know she she has so much sort of
power to her and Sophie is the sweetest hearted person
in the world. I mean, they're both sort of vaguely
related to Greece, albeit like separated by hundreds of years.
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But but but yeah, I mean, it's it's it's just extraordinary.
And she's got a show out in the UK which
I don't believe has come to the US called Ellie
and the Tassit, which is her sketch show, which he's written,
and it's just the absolute best. And I can't wait
for people to see it because this then you know,
she shows even more you know, variety and and and
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just just yeah, it's it's it's scary. Really, I'm sounding
about my character in Southwest Last, but it's it's scary
the talent she has that that's kind of exactly what
my character would say.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
But it's true, absolutely absolutely. And well, we shot in
Toronto and you were there for the middle of I
think it was the beginning to fall into winter. Is
there anything in Toronto that really stood out to you
as visiting for the first time? Was that your first
time in Toronto?
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Absolutely? Yeah, first time in Canada. I had a great time.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
I mean I think I had a day off, so
I'm not gonna come across as a as an expert.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
But oh I love to day off.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
You're like to sleep.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
But yeah, that's that's probably true actually, but oh, it's
it's such a uh it's it's hmm, this is going
to sound critical, but it isn't. It's like the city
was built by algorithm. Like it's almost so perfect, Like
it's so clean, it's so sort of easy to navigate,
you know, it's all sort of grids, and people are
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so incredibly friendly, and people seem very happy, and it's yeah,
like you know, London is a kind of like you know,
the yeah, you've been right, it's sort of trying to
keep this global city even though it was built in
eighteen fifty largely and it's sort of all over the
place a little bit. But but but Toronto is just
so sort of you know, it felt like I said
(24:24):
of city from the future a little bit. I yeah,
I was really really impressed. I had a great time there,
and people so friendly, like yeah, yeah, I've never been
anywhere like that. But people are just like everyone you
meet is just like so striking up conversations left, right
and center. And that's not really the vibe in London,
to be fair, it's not no, no, I mean we're
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famously like you're on the tube. As I've said, no
one says a single thing to each other. If anyone speaks,
you know, it's just like what is your problem kind
of thing, which is I don't know if that's not.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I will say that I love shooting in Canada and Toronto.
They're they're very welcoming, very friendly. Love shooting there. Love
our crew who's majority from Toronto or from Canada, from
around Canada. But you know, we've kind of taken several
Brits over and brought them over and made them Torontonians
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in a way. So it was lovely to have you
obviously come and visit us. If you think Yermo and
Freddy would have continued a relationship, where do you think
they would have settled or where would they have traveled next?
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Oh, that's interesting, that is interesting.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Where would they have gone because.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
They live, you know, across the pond. One of them
lives in the US now and the other one, So
what would that look like?
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Yeah, well, I you know, I get the sense that, well,
it's interesting. I guess it depends how sort of settled
they were in London, right, and and maybe it was
just a case of they could have gone back. Maybe
they had a really nice sort of thing going there.
I know that, you know, Freddie, Freddie's an interesting character,
and that he's you know, he's he's very sort of sweethearted,
(26:09):
He's very confident.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
He's also a bit.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Of a dork, like you know, he loves history and
art and architecture and seems to have a kind of
encyclopedic knowledge of that. So I could see him, you know,
much in the way that Nando wanted to to travel
the world. I can see Freddie, you know, suggesting to
to Giermo. You know, hey, let's let's let's go to
to Rome, into and to Cairo and to you know,
(26:34):
see all these things. I can I can see that,
I can see that happening. I think Freddie's always, you know,
he wants to experience the world.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I think I think so too.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
We have we off on life.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I'm so sad. I'm so sad that it didn't work out.
A part of me thinks that if General wouldn't have
allowed Freddy into the house, that he probably would have
been able to keep it a secret for a little
bit longer. I guess his in tituition was right to
keep it a secret from the house because he probably
had a foreboding feeling that something terrorble is going to happen,
and if he actually got to meet the housemates and
(27:16):
it did, and true fashion to good comedy writing, you know,
we set it up where we heard your voice. Throughout
people have been wondering. You know, I know that the
show has an error at BBC two yet, but people
in the States are going crazy and finally discovered who
you are this week on the show, and it's You're
(27:40):
like the mystery man. You're an international mystery man. And
now everyone's obsessed with Freddie and who he is. You
know where he comes from. So for all the fans
who have been looking forward to meeting you this season
on the show, what would you like to tell them?
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Oh wow, oh wow?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Well well look, I mean to an extent, it's it's
it's kind of a serious answer because you know, this
has been such an amazing story line for for for Guermo,
you know, just discovering things about himself and finding his
his his finding who he is and that extraordinary moment
in in Pine Bearns where you know he let his
parents into his sexuality and so so you know, it's
(28:21):
it's it's almost a culmination, the sort of crescendo of
of of of that amazing storyline. So that's that's a huge,
a huge honor. I feel very lucky to to to
be a part of that. As to who I am, well,
you know, I mean, well, I guess it's who Freddie is.
You know, Freddie is is just a very sweethearted guy,
(28:43):
I think, And you know, I really wanted to to
to get across because you know, as a fan, like
all fans are desperate for for for Germ to have,
you know, he has so much love to give, you know,
and and it's it's it's wonderful, you know, for even
those sort of fleeting moments at the beginning of the episode,
(29:04):
for there to be a moment where you know, he's
loved and and and loved in in he loves and
and is loved in return, you know, and and so
so yeah, I really wanted to to try and get
that that moment across because it felt you know, as
a fan, it's it's it's sort of a huge relief
because he doesn't get the you know, he gives so
much and often doesn't get quite quite as much back,
(29:25):
you know.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, I think that really did come across, and that
resonated with the fans that that you know, Freddy you know,
does care, did care for Gill, and Gero cared obviously
Freddy and it just didn't work out.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Sometimes that's just the case. You know, you might be
in love or infatuated with someone and think it's you know,
this is the end game, but it doesn't work out,
you know, and that's okay because it leaves you open
and hopefully you're open to future love and future you know,
you know, you're not closed off to future possibilities. And
I think this was a good first time experience for
(29:58):
gre and a lesson to learn, you know. So I
think Guermo needed Freddy and and Freddie was a great
contribution to his coming to his own. So so I'm
sure Germo thinks Freddy for even though it didn't end
up well, and he thanks him. Thanks for thanks for
(30:18):
the memories. I'm gonna quote Abba, and thanks for the music,
thanks for them. But we were asking all our guests
because this this season obviously Nasea has a nightclub, Najas,
and we're asking all our guests on the show. If
you in your character, so if you, as as Freddie,
(30:41):
had a drink at Najas, what would that drink be called?
And what would it be? What did it consists of?
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
What would it be called?
Speaker 4 (30:50):
I don't how about the London bloke. I don't know
why that's come to my head. I'm not of it.
You know, you've gotta go with you with with with
your instincts there. I think I think I don't think
he goes for anything sweet. I think he's I think
he's uh maybe maybe just a Gin and tonic. I
(31:11):
can see him being a Gin and Tonic guy, double
gin and tonic.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
You know.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I think he likes, he likes the high life. He's
a he's an East theat he's you know, he's a
pleasure seeker, I think, and yeah, a double gin and tonic.
Or yeah, maybe something with the mouth. I think the
mouth the mouth, Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, vermouth, vermouth,
vodka and gin. Maybe maybe this is this is just
(31:35):
my own preference here, Yeah, yeah, yeah, very very very sophisticated.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Maybe, I mean it has to be served in like
some kind of historic cup, like some kind of antique cup.
It has to be served in like a cool well,
I don't know what that would be. A goblet or something.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Goblet sounds right, Yeah, yeah, a goblet yeah from Southeby's exactly.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Not all bars can can compete, you know with that
difficult thing to yes or.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Which drink rare? It makes the drink rare and hard
to find.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
That's perfect.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
That's perfect for Fred, you know, rare and hard to find,
and when you do, it's perfect. Well, al thank you
so much for coming on the show. It's been such
a pleasure to come have you and join our already
amazing season and to be almost you know, first ever
(32:35):
love interest will be something that our fans will always remember.
Your performance is brilliant, your amazing actor. We're so lucky
to have you and to come play with us in Toronto.
And we usually just tell everyone at home who's been
such a fan of the show and been watching the
show since season one. Maybe you already mentioned this earlier
(32:56):
because you are a fan of the show. But anything
in the last world to the fans or just the
experience of being on the show itself that you want
to share before we close off.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Oh wow, well, thank you so much, Harvy, that the
kindest words. Thank you, And it was such a joy
and pleasure to be on the show. Yeah, I mean
I'm in to the fans. I mean yeah, all I
could say is just like it's it's the most extraordinary
show to be a part of. And I just really
hope you enjoy enjoy the episode. You know, it's it's
(33:27):
been an incredible series and yeah, enjoy.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I love it. And I mean, like we've always proven
in the show, no one ever leaves forever, so anything
is possible, and who knows, so the possibilities are always there.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
So and there are two of me kicking around as.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Well, so.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
There's double the chances.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
The chances, I guess, so.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, in a weird way, there's a world where that
could happen. Again. Thank you so much. We love having you.
We can't wait to hopeless see you again.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Oh cheers.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Thank you so much, and we'll see you next time.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
See bye bye.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome to another episode of Behind the Shadows, the podcast
where we talk all things shadows with cast, crew and
celebrity guests. I'm your host Harvicki and hekie Giete mod
la Cruz. Today's guest is the one the only first
love interest to Giermo de la Cruz. It's our Roberts.
We find out which one of us played a wickedly
(00:30):
talented wizard in a Japanese production of Wicked, and we
find out who else in the cast he's played a
love interest to.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Shame, breathing this soul, bewhelming her bizarre has so tell
me who I would anyone want to be alive.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Death might have a reputation before she arrives, but trust me,
we have way more finly life, We.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Have way more on the life.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We're so excited to have you on the show because
people have been asking who you are, where have you been,
how did this happen? All of these things? And this
week's episode is one of my favorite, just because it's
so great to see what happened while was away in London,
(01:29):
and that's your character, and well, why don't you tell
us how did you come across a playing Germo's first
and only love interest.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yes, wow, well, thank you so much for having me. Firstly, yeah,
I mean it was a whirlwind, you know. I mean
I got the audition so excited, you know, firstly because
I've been a fan of the show since the beginning,
and then to get this audition, it was just like wow.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Read the script.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
You know, it was one of those where you feel
you kind of feel on a wave link with the writer.
Maybe I mean, maybe you're just a sort of deluded actor,
but you know, I felt like, wow, I can kind
of see maybe you know that the vision of what
Freddie is and who he is, and you know, did
the tape and then you send it in and then
(02:21):
I don't know about you, but you know, you try
your hardest to forget it ever existed, because so often,
you know, you get you get sort of let down
or whatever, or you know, it doesn't always work out.
And I found that very hard to do with this
tape because I was so excited. And then, you know,
I think a week to the day that I sent
the tape in, I saw my agent calling, and she
(02:42):
only calls when it's good news, and I just had
a feeling. I was like, oh my god, you know,
I could be beat to Toronto, and that's what happened.
And then it was and then just suddenly act because
I was on holiday at the time, it was a
scramble back to London and then you know, over to Toron.
I mean it was crazy, Like I think I spent
like five nights in five, five different cities. I was
(03:04):
an international man of mystery for a for a small
period of time and then yeah, about a week and
a half filming and Harvey. Yeah, it was just it
was just a dream. It was just a dream. And
I've never been in a show where you know, I
knew the show beforehand. I was a fan of the
show beforehand. So it's that thing of like popping up
(03:26):
in your own television screen, you know. It was, it was,
it was, It was crazy. But I was just sort
of pinching myself the whole way through.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
That's so cool, because it's great. You were on holiday.
Were you where were you Spain?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
You were out of I was in I was in France,
so I can give you this, this this crazy five
city itinery so yeah, So it went from Bone to
Lyon to Paris, to London to Toronto and it was
you know, COVID reasons as well, and it was all
sort of trains and it was all it was all
incredibly exciting, and you know, on the trains, I was
(04:00):
listening to the theme music, you know, you know is
that kind of like oh yeah, you know, it's just
one of those moments where where you just you know,
you can't believe it.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
It was, yeah, so incredibly exciting.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, you got to set, did you walk around and
uh and then say like, oh, there's that? Like you know,
I know if I were to go on set of
something that I've watched so you know, and I'm a
fan of I would easily have done that. I've gone
to sets around like that's the you know, you put
things together and like that's the scene where that took place.
But that is the scene where you know Natasha's character
(04:38):
or Kevon's character that like, you know, did you walk
around the setting and look around and become like a
little museum totally?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I mean some slight context is that the day that
the director DJ showed me around, which he didn't need
to do, by the way, probably had a million things
to do, so so nice of him.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I was.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
My big plan was to was to I was just
like I was a kind of vampire, you know, of
my own of my own making, because I tried not
to sleep on the plane, and the big idea was
to sleep when I got to my accommodation. And problem is,
I didn't sleep when I got to my accommodation. So
I'd been about, you know, kind of fifty hours without
without sleep. So yeah, I was very excited, but it
(05:22):
felt it felt like a dream, I've got to be
honest with you. And the sets are so amazing that
it kind of feels like real life, you know, like, yeah,
to be in that in that fancy room, and it
feels kind of even bigger in real life than it
seems on screen. And you notice the level of detail,
like there's a there's a stuffed animal sort of staring
(05:45):
at you from every single corner of you know, the
more you look, the more you find. Yeah, just just
incredibly exciting, and little things you don't kind of anticipate,
you know, like I assumed it was one house, but
of course, you know, you have the interior and then
you have the exterior, which is which is separate. You know,
little things like that kind of blew my mind a little,
(06:06):
even though had I thought about it, that probably would
have been you.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Know, the case.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
But but but yeah, no, it's it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
The backstory to uh Germo and your character meeting. How
do you think they met? And walk me through me
what Baxter you gave your character and how they actually met.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Well, Freddie is such an interesting guy and and and
well he obviously, you know, Gamo was such an incredible character.
And yeah, so I thought about I think you mentioned
that that that that we met on the tube, like
the subway in London. So I guess that's the context.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Oh yeah, that was that was my backstory.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I was like, oh, I see, yeah, but I guess
I guess, yeah, I I kind of see Freddy. You know,
he's he's a he's a romantic guy. I think he's
there's a sort of timeless quality to him. You could
sort of see him existing in all sorts of different
kind of centuries or whatever. And you know, he works
(07:11):
for Southeby's, he's he's you know, he this this this antiquestealer.
I think he would have done something romantic, you know,
straight from the off, they would have had this conversation
on the tube, and he's he's a kind of bon vivoor.
I think you know, he's a he's a he's a
kind of you know, it would be like come, come,
let's let's let let let's have a drink, you know
(07:31):
kind of thing. I I think I think that that
side of him felt felt pretty pretty strong.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I mean, uh, yeah, how about you?
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Did you ever did you ever think about what those
first moments would have been?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, I thought it was like, you know, kind of
align with what you're saying as well, like maybe like
he went to you know, the antique you know, Southeby's
or something to like maybe he's fond of of old
artifacts and stuff that he used to have at the
house with the door and whatnot, or like, and so
maybe he was at Southern Be's just looking around and
(08:03):
then like you happen to be there, And then I
was like, oh, and then he must have felt really
comfortable with him to like completely take him up on
the offer or vice versa. I think I think it
would have been Freddy who asked Gill, because I was like,
would Giero have the guts to do it? Because he's
been so you know, kind of in the closet for
(08:24):
lack of a better word, you know, And I don't
think he was as as strong or as courageous to
take that first leap. I think so I think maybe
it was Freddy who kind of helped him kind of
come out of his you know, cocoon or metamorphosis into
a new version of Guillermo that you just needed that
(08:44):
extra push. I think so maybe it was that. I
think for me that was like that was that was
a sweeter way of saying, yeah, he just found the
right person at the right time, and it all worked.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Out and we am way off on me as a light.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And unfortunately for for Giermo, it doesn't work out well
this episode because he brings him back. He brings him back,
you know. And also I gotta imagine they've probably been
dating for a couple of months. I'd say he met
him early on in the trip. He's been in London
for a year, probably met Freddy like two months in
(09:28):
three months in kind of enough time, you know, to
really develop feelings for someone and to really kind of
become connected to Freddy and and then bring him to
introduce him into the household. You surprise him you know,
when you come home and or you come to his
door and you're like, surprise, I got your your you know,
your address from the post. I'm sorry mail. You know
(09:50):
the idea that like he shows up and kind of
like wow's Nandor and Nander makes a copy of you,
mix Marwa into a copy of you or a character.
And that's so heartbreaking because it's like it's you know,
that kid in the playground and see someone else with
a brand new you know, ball or toy, and they
just can't let them play, you know, just have them
(10:11):
for themselves. They have to also have it themselves, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I mean it's it's reading it back.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I mean, like it it is a it is crazy.
I mean it's one of the most momentous and you know,
sort of destructive things that that that Nandor has has done.
I think up to this point, like it's a huge decision,
and it has such ramifications of course for for for
Freddy and for Marwa and and for for GMO of course,
(10:40):
like you know this this is such an important moment,
uh and and it's so it's so sort of tragic
in a way. And that's I think, you know, one
of the amazing things about the episode is that the
highs and the lows, it just comes at you so
so fast. And yeah, I was really exciting to to
to tell that story because it's quite a story, like
(11:01):
it goes off in all sorts of you know, amazing
and interesting directions, and you know, I get that, I
sort of understand that there's been you know, understandably some
speculation as to what this episode is going to look like.
I can't imagine anyone really predicting all the beats because
it is you know, you know, imaginative in the in
the extreme, like it.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Looks fantastic, it looks so good. And also, you know,
you have to play two different versions, you know, one
obviously Freddy and one Freddy filtered through Marwah and so's
Freddy point two. How is that playing yourself into a character,
two different characters in the same scene.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yeah, well, first of all, I want to pay a
huge tribute to the actor Kevin Claydon, who paid my
or Freddy's body double, who was unbelievable like he was
so you know, you don't see him in the show,
but he's constantly you know, mapping what I'd done in
previous take, and he was so generous and he sees
such an amazing actor, you know, in his own right,
(12:05):
and to do this, you know, with my face kind
of put onto.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
His like I really, I really, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Really felt for him. He did an unbelievable job, and
I was so grateful for his his generosity and his
you know, how thorough he was. And he's such a
lovely guy as well. So yeah, that the performance is me.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
And him, And yeah, I mean, you know, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
That there were sometimes when I had to sort of
take a step back because he was dressed like me.
He's kind of a similar sort of heightened and bill
to me. And you know, it could be easy. I'd
have to really sort of you know, I could very
easy to have a sort of out of body experience,
like staring at a version of myself kind of doing
exactly what I'd done kind of forty seconds ago in
(12:48):
the previous take. But so fun, like like so fun,
complete sort of playtime. And yeah, yeah, from yeah, it
looks incredible. Yeah, I honestly don't.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
We got to go see Wicked the musical. Oh yeah, yeah,
in the story we get to I'm wearing my wicket
shirt and you can see it, but I'm wearing my
wicket in honor of our.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It's it's like I think it's the New York version.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Oh okay, but you you you were in a production
of it right for for ages, won't you?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Or I was no, no, no. So I had to
learn the track for the Wizard when I was in Japan,
and I had to learn the Wizard's part in Japanese.
So I was there doing another show and I was
doing like two musicals and then that one I had
to like learn it just in case, and which is
so funny because this was pretty fresh out of college
(13:44):
and pretty young, and I was just like what and
they're like, yeah, we're gonna make you be the ship
for the Wizard. And I was like, what's like and
they're like with the white wig, and you know that
they had cast some one who was who body body
wise I was pretty close to. It was like there
were shorter style and they just put a wig on them.
(14:06):
So it kind of made sense. I guess probably just
production save money on the costume or something. But I
actually learned the Wizard song in Japanese, and and to
this day, I can't hear sentimental Man without going into
into Japanese version of it, so that you know, I
know it's it's crazy. It's just like it goes on
to best I don't know how much I can say.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I don't it's incredible wowerience.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
So that was kind of fun and full circle. My
first show ever as a series regular was created by
Savannah Julie and Winnie Holtzman. Winnie Holtsman who who was
the writer for the script with on Wicked and also
wrote My So Called Life, which we just had a
poster of in a previous episode where uh, you know,
(14:56):
we're trying to get called into a really good school
and they come to visit as a night quote a
poster of My So Call Life, and also it stays
up there during my visit with my family comes to
visit into town. And so we've had Winnie holts and
projects on her show My So Called Life, We've had
a Wicked and she actually is a fan of the show.
(15:16):
She's actually a really big fan of the show. So
it's actually worked out perfectly. Yeah, I think she just.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Said, does she know there were these Easter eggs everywhere
for her for her to kind of Spot or.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Oh great, I mean yeah, the eggs.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
She does have fun, Yeah, she does now. And she
is a fan. She's been a fan since day one.
And her and her and her husband Paul Dooley, who
absolutely love are both the whole family is. So they
text me like every season and they're like, we're loving
this season. And when he has the sweetest voice, she's like,
I cann't imagine her text going, I'm just loving this
(15:51):
season so much. You're just like the sweetest. And for
us to do this important episode with him having a
boyfriend Germo going as to see Wicked, it's just like
in being you know that I was in Japan and
I got to work with Winnie, Like it's like full circle.
It's kind of this cool. Yeah, It's just I love it.
Did you did you get to have anything? Did you
(16:13):
keep anything from from filming with us? Or was there
anything that you would have wanted to keep from filming?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
I mean, I mean I loved the costumes, like yeah, yeah, yeah, Laura.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Laura mon Montgomery.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Is that the costumer a designer?
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Oh my god?
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah, first day an Emmy this year? Oh yeah, I
mean so well, so well deserved. I mean yeah, that
just just this sort of parade of extraordinary stuff, really
beautiful coats that that, you know, that the likes of
which I've never worn, and even down to the shoes
like I just she she she, yeah, I could feel
(16:51):
myself sort of transforming into Freddie. And she said that
she knew that when it was good, when I sort
of like adopted his sort of body language and just
sort of, you know, a confident kind of way of being.
As soon as she put it on, it was it
was just it's just extraordinary to any of those items
of clothing I'd like to take, though I didn't.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
I didn't take any of those.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I don't think that was that was even he was
even on offer quite rightly.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
That's not how it works, is it.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
But what's else? I mean other other things.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I mean that that rug in the in the fancy room,
I got a chance to lie down on that.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
That is a comfortable rug.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Again, probably can't just be nicking that and taking that
to customs in London, but I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind.
I wouldn't mind taking that for my for my front room.
That's that's for sure. Yeah, I mean anything else.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, we are way more fun.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Well, you you got your work with Caveon and a
lot in this episode. How was that?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Did you work with Kima before I have? Yeah, it
was actually and I was thinking about this. It was
the first job that I ever did, and it was
about ten years ago, and cave On took a real
chance on me. It was a pilot that they didn't
get made in the end, but you know, talk about
full circle, like ten years on, and you know, it
(18:25):
felt amazing. He's still just as sort of kind and supportive.
I'm ten years older, hopefully I wasn't quite as sort
of nervous a young stripling as I was back in
twenty thirteen or whenever. It was so yeah, he was.
He was so lovely and he even got me a
little gift, which was because we were talking about the
(18:47):
cocktails they do in Toronto. There's a special like signature cocktails,
a type of bloody Mary, I think, and he got
he got me a little kind of caesar at it
with like clam juice I think in it right. Yeah,
it's it's it's it's really nice.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
It's really tasty.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
But he got me the little flakes that you put
round the rim of the glass. Because we've just been
talking about it. I found it in my trailer. I
was like, hey man, this is the swing.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
I'm going to start crying here.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
This is the sweetest thing I've ever seen in my life.
I mean, I haven't used them yet. You know, it's
quite a specific, so I haven't had a chance to
use it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Like it's like a taen like seasoning.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Yeah, And it's you know, as soon as I have
the confidence to make a Toronto, you know, Caesar cup,
then I'm going to crack it up. But it's the
thought that counts, right, And it was. He was so
so lovely and of course you you know when I
met you in the in the costume when we were
trying on our costumes, you were so lovely and supportive.
Everyone was so friendly, and you know, as you know,
(19:50):
it's as soon as that, well, it makes such a difference,
doesn't it. You feel like you can relax and play
and have fun. And yeah, it's such a wonderful atmosphere
on set.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
But you're basically now part of the you know, you've
worked with the cast before, so Cavan, but you've actually
played a love interest to two of the main characters.
In this show, You've paid a love interest to Natasha
Dimitri's character, and so in her brother's show, Statlet Flats,
You've played Natasha's love interest and now you play germals
(20:21):
of interest. So I feel like this is like a
real world kind.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Of I'm working through the main cast.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It's a sort of picture, well in sort of picture
right here of Natasha in love with your character in
Statlets Flats and then in comparison to.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
You and.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Well, there's a few alarities, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I have to say between al and And and Freddy,
I mean, Freddy is way more confident. That's that's that's
that's one thing I'd say, it's more confident than than me.
I mean, but but yeah, no, it's it's it's amazing
to have had that connection. And Tash of course was
so wonderful. She let me use her trailer, which was
which was which was very much appreciated. Yeah, that was
(21:11):
one of the things that that I was really excited about,
was was was you know, seeing her as well and
seeing her in her element, because you guys have kind
of stolen her from from us, like as soon as
we did staff. Let's that she was cast in What
We Do in the Shadows, and she's been in Toronto
all this time, you know, I barely see her and
and Lockdown hasn't helped as well.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
So yeah, it was lovely to see her.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
In her element and see you know, and and and
hang out with her in Toronto.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
What a difference, right, just like that character you know,
its own right iconic look and all. And then the
Natasha's character in Shadows just completely different, just with this
garments and petticoats and corsets.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
And I don't think she gets enough credit for this,
Like it's extraordinary, and you know what I mean with
with like they say, with comic characters, you have with
comic chacters, you have like your right, you have one
sort of clown that you're sort of best at. And
the idea that Tash within a year was cast in
two shows where she played not only are they different,
(22:10):
but they're like complete polar opposites. Like you know, Nujo's
is cruel and sort of sassy and well maybe not
sassy how a good word, but you know, cruel and
and you know she she has so much sort of
power to her and Sophie is the sweetest hearted person
in the world. I mean, they're both sort of vaguely
related to Greece, albeit like separated by hundreds of years.
(22:35):
But but but yeah, I mean, it's it's it's just extraordinary.
And she's got a show out in the UK which
I don't believe has come to the US called Ellie
and the Tassit, which is her sketch show, which he's written,
and it's just the absolute best. And I can't wait
for people to see it because this then you know,
she shows even more you know, variety and and and
(22:58):
just just yeah, it's it's it's scary. Really, I'm sounding
about my character in Southwest Last, but it's it's scary
the talent she has that that's kind of exactly what
my character would say.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
But it's true, absolutely absolutely. And well, we shot in
Toronto and you were there for the middle of I
think it was the beginning to fall into winter. Is
there anything in Toronto that really stood out to you
as visiting for the first time? Was that your first
time in Toronto?
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Absolutely? Yeah, first time in Canada. I had a great time.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
I mean I think I had a day off, so
I'm not gonna come across as a as an expert.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
But oh I love to day off.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
You're like to sleep.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
But yeah, that's that's probably true actually, but oh, it's
it's such a uh it's it's hmm, this is going
to sound critical, but it isn't. It's like the city
was built by algorithm. Like it's almost so perfect, Like
it's so clean, it's so sort of easy to navigate,
you know, it's all sort of grids, and people are
(24:04):
so incredibly friendly, and people seem very happy, and it's yeah,
like you know, London is a kind of like you know,
the yeah, you've been right, it's sort of trying to
keep this global city even though it was built in
eighteen fifty largely and it's sort of all over the
place a little bit. But but but Toronto is just
so sort of you know, it felt like I said
(24:24):
of city from the future a little bit. I yeah,
I was really really impressed. I had a great time there,
and people so friendly, like yeah, yeah, I've never been
anywhere like that. But people are just like everyone you
meet is just like so striking up conversations left, right
and center. And that's not really the vibe in London,
to be fair, it's not no, no, I mean we're
(24:48):
famously like you're on the tube. As I've said, no
one says a single thing to each other. If anyone speaks,
you know, it's just like what is your problem kind
of thing, which is I don't know if that's not.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I will say that I love shooting in Canada and Toronto.
They're they're very welcoming, very friendly. Love shooting there. Love
our crew who's majority from Toronto or from Canada, from
around Canada. But you know, we've kind of taken several
Brits over and brought them over and made them Torontonians
(25:20):
in a way. So it was lovely to have you
obviously come and visit us. If you think Yermo and
Freddy would have continued a relationship, where do you think
they would have settled or where would they have traveled next?
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Oh, that's interesting, that is interesting.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Where would they have gone because.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
They live, you know, across the pond. One of them
lives in the US now and the other one, So
what would that look like?
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Yeah, well, I you know, I get the sense that, well,
it's interesting. I guess it depends how sort of settled
they were in London, right, and and maybe it was
just a case of they could have gone back. Maybe
they had a really nice sort of thing going there.
I know that, you know, Freddie, Freddie's an interesting character,
and that he's you know, he's he's very sort of sweethearted,
(26:09):
He's very confident.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
He's also a bit.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Of a dork, like you know, he loves history and
art and architecture and seems to have a kind of
encyclopedic knowledge of that. So I could see him, you know,
much in the way that Nando wanted to to travel
the world. I can see Freddie, you know, suggesting to
to Giermo. You know, hey, let's let's let's go to
to Rome, into and to Cairo and to you know,
(26:34):
see all these things. I can I can see that,
I can see that happening. I think Freddie's always, you know,
he wants to experience the world.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I think I think so too.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
We have we off on life.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I'm so sad. I'm so sad that it didn't work out.
A part of me thinks that if General wouldn't have
allowed Freddy into the house, that he probably would have
been able to keep it a secret for a little
bit longer. I guess his in tituition was right to
keep it a secret from the house because he probably
had a foreboding feeling that something terrorble is going to happen,
and if he actually got to meet the housemates and
(27:16):
it did, and true fashion to good comedy writing, you know,
we set it up where we heard your voice. Throughout
people have been wondering. You know, I know that the
show has an error at BBC two yet, but people
in the States are going crazy and finally discovered who
you are this week on the show, and it's You're
(27:40):
like the mystery man. You're an international mystery man. And
now everyone's obsessed with Freddie and who he is. You
know where he comes from. So for all the fans
who have been looking forward to meeting you this season
on the show, what would you like to tell them?
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Oh wow, oh wow?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Well well look, I mean to an extent, it's it's
it's kind of a serious answer because you know, this
has been such an amazing story line for for for Guermo,
you know, just discovering things about himself and finding his
his his finding who he is and that extraordinary moment
in in Pine Bearns where you know he let his
parents into his sexuality and so so you know, it's
(28:21):
it's it's almost a culmination, the sort of crescendo of
of of of that amazing storyline. So that's that's a huge,
a huge honor. I feel very lucky to to to
be a part of that. As to who I am, well,
you know, I mean, well, I guess it's who Freddie is.
You know, Freddie is is just a very sweethearted guy,
(28:43):
I think, And you know, I really wanted to to
to get across because you know, as a fan, like
all fans are desperate for for for Germ to have,
you know, he has so much love to give, you know,
and and it's it's it's wonderful, you know, for even
those sort of fleeting moments at the beginning of the episode,
(29:04):
for there to be a moment where you know, he's
loved and and and loved in in he loves and
and is loved in return, you know, and and so
so yeah, I really wanted to to try and get
that that moment across because it felt you know, as
a fan, it's it's it's sort of a huge relief
because he doesn't get the you know, he gives so
much and often doesn't get quite quite as much back,
(29:25):
you know.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, I think that really did come across, and that
resonated with the fans that that you know, Freddy you know,
does care, did care for Gill, and Gero cared obviously
Freddy and it just didn't work out.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Sometimes that's just the case. You know, you might be
in love or infatuated with someone and think it's you know,
this is the end game, but it doesn't work out,
you know, and that's okay because it leaves you open
and hopefully you're open to future love and future you know,
you know, you're not closed off to future possibilities. And
I think this was a good first time experience for
(29:58):
gre and a lesson to learn, you know. So I
think Guermo needed Freddy and and Freddie was a great
contribution to his coming to his own. So so I'm
sure Germo thinks Freddy for even though it didn't end
up well, and he thanks him. Thanks for thanks for
(30:18):
the memories. I'm gonna quote Abba, and thanks for the music,
thanks for them. But we were asking all our guests
because this this season obviously Nasea has a nightclub, Najas,
and we're asking all our guests on the show. If
you in your character, so if you, as as Freddie,
(30:41):
had a drink at Najas, what would that drink be called?
And what would it be? What did it consists of?
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
What would it be called?
Speaker 4 (30:50):
I don't how about the London bloke. I don't know
why that's come to my head. I'm not of it.
You know, you've gotta go with you with with with
your instincts there. I think I think I don't think
he goes for anything sweet. I think he's I think
he's uh maybe maybe just a Gin and tonic. I
(31:11):
can see him being a Gin and Tonic guy, double
gin and tonic.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
You know.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I think he likes, he likes the high life. He's
a he's an East theat he's you know, he's a
pleasure seeker, I think, and yeah, a double gin and tonic.
Or yeah, maybe something with the mouth. I think the
mouth the mouth, Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, vermouth, vermouth,
vodka and gin. Maybe maybe this is this is just
(31:35):
my own preference here, Yeah, yeah, yeah, very very very sophisticated.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Maybe, I mean it has to be served in like
some kind of historic cup, like some kind of antique cup.
It has to be served in like a cool well,
I don't know what that would be. A goblet or something.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Goblet sounds right, Yeah, yeah, a goblet yeah from Southeby's exactly.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Not all bars can can compete, you know with that
difficult thing to yes or.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Which drink rare? It makes the drink rare and hard
to find.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
That's perfect.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
That's perfect for Fred, you know, rare and hard to find,
and when you do, it's perfect. Well, al thank you
so much for coming on the show. It's been such
a pleasure to come have you and join our already
amazing season and to be almost you know, first ever
(32:35):
love interest will be something that our fans will always remember.
Your performance is brilliant, your amazing actor. We're so lucky
to have you and to come play with us in Toronto.
And we usually just tell everyone at home who's been
such a fan of the show and been watching the
show since season one. Maybe you already mentioned this earlier
(32:56):
because you are a fan of the show. But anything
in the last world to the fans or just the
experience of being on the show itself that you want
to share before we close off.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Oh wow, well, thank you so much, Harvy, that the
kindest words. Thank you, And it was such a joy
and pleasure to be on the show. Yeah, I mean
I'm in to the fans. I mean yeah, all I
could say is just like it's it's the most extraordinary
show to be a part of. And I just really
hope you enjoy enjoy the episode. You know, it's it's
(33:27):
been an incredible series and yeah, enjoy.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I love it. And I mean, like we've always proven
in the show, no one ever leaves forever, so anything
is possible, and who knows, so the possibilities are always there.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
So and there are two of me kicking around as.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Well, so.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
There's double the chances.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
The chances, I guess, so.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, in a weird way, there's a world where that
could happen. Again. Thank you so much. We love having you.
We can't wait to hopeless see you again.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Oh cheers.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Thank you so much, and we'll see you next time.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
See bye bye.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Behind the Shadows is a production of straw Hut Media,
hosted by Harvey Gehan, produced by Ryan Tillotson, Amada Sanchez,
and Tyler Nielsen. Original music by Trevor Bumgar and Chris
Hendrix vocals by Maggie Glass. If you don't already, subscribe
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me I would anyone want to belive?
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