August 25, 2022 • 40 mins
Welcome to another episode of Behind the Shadows, the podcast dedicated to talking all things shadows with the cast, crew, and celebrity fans. Today's guest is our two new favorite twins. They show us how to renovate and spruce our home. They talk about how the laughs don't stop when in between takes and in the shadows. And they gush over their brand new favorite director in the biz. Find out who that is with Randy and Jason Sklar.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Straw Hut Media.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome to another episode of Behind the Shadows, the podcast
dedicated to talking all things Shadows with the cast, crew
and celebrity fans. Today's guest is our two new favorite twins.
They show us how to renovate and spruce our home.
They talk about how the laughs don't stop when in
between takes and in the Shadows, and they gush over
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their brand new favorite director in the biz. Find out
who that is. With Randy and Jason scar.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
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why would anyone want to be alive? Death might have
a reputation before she arrives, but trust me, we have
way more fun the aff line. We have wey more
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funny after line.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
All Right, I'm super excited for today's guests. They are
my new favorite twin brothers. Yeah, there's a lot. Okay,
there's a lot of people on that list. And Randy
and Jay Sklar are our new favorite property brothers. If
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you will, they have joined the world and what we
do in the Shadows and in this week's episode, they
were absolutely phenomenal and I'm so excited to have you
both on the show. Thanks for being here.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Thank you so much, And it was so much fun
to get to shoot with you last November for almost
a month. It was you were amazing fun to work
with and No, Randy and I always say like, there
are jobs that we get that we're grateful for all
the work. But then you get a job on a
show that you've been watching and you're like, wait, wait,
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I get to actually do these things with these people
that I'm a little stars struck by because this is
a show in my cue that I watch every week.
And then you're like, I hope I don't screw it up,
and I hope we're as good as they are. And
it's a whole It adds a whole new layer.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, speaking of we were so excited to have you
on the show obviously, but you said you were fans
of the show before, So were you a fan of
the movie and then the show or was the show
your first experience?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So movie, I mean, we go way back with Jamaine
and you know Flight of the Concords and those guys,
meeting them back in like two thousand and we did
a I never forget a show we did with them
in Seattle where we kind of we went on right
before them, and that was like in front of like
three thousand people. We each did headlining sets, and so
we go way back with them. So when the movie
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came out, I was super excited to see the movie
and I loved it so much. And you know, you
get this moment where you're like, oh my god, how
are they going to make a TV series that can
actually hold up to the movie. And then there are
those TV series where you're like, oh my god, doing
stuff in this series that they couldn't do in the movie,
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or that takes it further and goes into different places
and it has a life of its own and it
becomes like your favorite thing. I think it's the best
comedy on TV right now.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Well, thank you very much, and now you guys are
a part of our world. This week we saw that unfortunately,
Jason Jay you're you. You have an early demise in
the show when you read what did you.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Think anyone ever really die? In this world? I mean
we saw the baron come out and get a full
full like rejuvenation of his body, which I mean that
was hilarious, which is true.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know, that's the first time, one of the few
times that you've ever seen Doug Jones out of prosthetics,
out of not acting with an actual like full of
a face of makeup or prosthetic. And I just saw
him yesterday actually here in Seattle, and he was you know,
the fans have been like raving, like can you imagine
having a career where you're known for all these creatures
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and whatnot? And yeah, no one knows what your face
looks like. And so you're right, no one dies in
the show. And I hope that you know, you come
back with a nice looking neck, because I think Naja
did a number on you.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
She goes in, She goes in on that. And the
best part about that is when I when I get
killed immediately as I as we walk in the house,
which is hilarious, they had a rig inside of my
shirt that like is spraying blood and I just remember
them being like it's not enough blood, like we need more,
like turn up the power on that thing. And so
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all this blood she gets at my neck and all
this blood starts spraying out. I'm just sitting in a
pool of this like cold blood, and I'm thinking to myself,
this is everything you always want to do, Like you
want to have a sensational dying moment on screen at
some point in your life, and it was it was
beautiful and she and what I loved about her. Okay,
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this is why she's so great because we were sort
of the deep background moment of that, like we were
the We weren't necessarily the focus at that scene because
Randy and Matt just sort of walk into the foreground
and start having this conversation about what they want to
do with the house. But we're in the background and
she's just feasting on me, and she's like, we're in
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the background, but she's still going at it as if
it was the focus of the scene. And I'm like,
that's just that's why this show is great. Everybody is
like a pro and everybody they don't know. How about
the first scene, Harvey and that that we shot where
I'm speaking to the camera like it's our show, go
flip yourself, and Matt is like right behind me, so
right behind me, there's really funny stuff going on, and
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then you and cave On are in the back dumping
the body in the thing, and you guys are being
hilarious in the deep I mean, there's a joke and
then there's a joke and then there's a joke way
back there. It's again speaks to why this show so
goddamn great.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
And you guys are so funny. That was I remember
that first day on set, which, by the way, we're
shooting up in Toronto. It's the middle of winter and
you guys have been up there, But that was that
was cold, right, That was a pretty cold shoot, and
it was the first scene we're shooting. And I mean,
this episode is quickly becoming one of my favorites, just
because it takes us into a different world, out of
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the documentary world, but into the like HDTV kind of
idea of like home, and it's so well done. You're
opening credits to your show where you're like just smashing
and they're like, you know, back to back brothers and
those poses and the camera and the way it pans
out from like people opening another blindfolds and looking at
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their new home just so so so funny. When you
read the script where you what were your thoughts? Like,
I mean, people always ask how much do you improvise
on this show? And now you get to experience, you know,
being going up there and shooting with us for like
over a month. What was your experience, Like what did
you think, what were your expectations, and what were your
what you really experienced.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So the audition came through, and of course we're like
huge fans of the show. I mean like watching every
episode waiting for the next season to come out. And
we were like, oh my god, I love this show
so much. And we started reading the script and we
were like, wait was this written for us to do?
We kind of got really excited and then we're like,
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oh my god, don't screw it up. Do not f
it up. And so my daughter, I have a seventeen
year old daughter and she's like goes to the theater
high school and wants to be a director and all
this stuff. And she shot our audition. So we were
going to like do it like on a white wall
and kind of do it. She's like, no, no, no, I
want to shoot it like outside, like pretend like you're
coming up to our house. And she gave us she
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actually gave us some really good notes in the audition.
I was really proud of her and how she shot
it and looked really cool. And what was great about
that is we did it because you can self tape
and you want to look good. We did it enough
times that the scene became very much a part of
who we were, so that when we went shot on
that first day and we had that stuff, like you
went home and we shot the beginning stuff that night.
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We were the last shots that night, but we had
already done it for the audition and we had done it.
But so when we didn't scent it in, we thought
to ourselves, if we don't get this. We're like, if
we don't get this, then we should probably quit the business.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Quit the business, right because we're like.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
We love what we did. We said, they'll either go
one of two ways. They'll either try and get the
actual property Brothers, which is definitely a choice to try
and get those guys, and those guys would definitely do it,
or get someone who's kind of similar to that, or
the go in our direction, and we were hoping they
would because we knew if they went our way, there's
so much other comedy that can come out. We know
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we can bring so much to it beyond just being
like house flipping guys. And so what emerged, and as
you saw throughout the whole thing is like the relationship
between my character and Matt's character throughout the whole episode
like got much deeper and much like closer, which to
me is wonderful because then the reveal at the end,
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when you pull the rug out from under everything is
just that much more of a dick move. It's a betrayal.
It's such a deep, deep, deep betrayal. And so Matt
was very generously falling for everything that brand was dishing out,
and the more he felt for it, the more I
started to do it. And so there were moments where
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you know, you're just doing conversation as you're kind of
walking out and playing the scene out and you're improvising
that conversation, and it was like he was giving me
so much that then let the setup and the punch
at the end be so great. That's what everybody did.
I mean, you were phenomenal scene. There was a moment
where you know, Natasha's like hypnotizing us, and she's like,
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well who else? Who else knows about this? And there
were a couple of things in there, but the writers
are like, just go, just continue to go. So I
just start listing all these people. I'm like, the producer
has a girlfriend who.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And that made it.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I can't believe that made it in I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
We have way more fun after life.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And the best is I. You know, so I get
killed pretty quickly, but I I'm up in Toronto and
I still have some stuff to do here and there.
But I'm not going to just sit in my hotel
room or walk around Toronto by myself. I love this
show so much. I came to the set days when
I wasn't even necessarily shooting that much, and I I
just remember I was like on the set because I
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love being around you guys. I loved hanging in the
room just talking to people. And then I would also
pitch Randy like little jokes between scenes where I'm like
try this, throw this in, throw that in. So I
kind of became like a little mini mini writer's room
for Randy to throw in some improvs. I'm like, call
him Lasmataz, call him this, call him that. Like you're
getting comfortable with this guy, and if they don't like it,
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they'll tell you to stop. And they kind of just
they loved that sort of very like bougie, like boozy,
like a little too relaxed, a little too comfortable with everyone,
sort of a guy. And as soon as soon as
we got into that, I was like, oh, this is
exactly who that I know, who this guy is all
the way.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I think my favorite line that you guys say are
the rents that says, what is it? Hey, you knucklehead?
Like it just became like the ongoing thing you knucklehead.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah, you know, hey, knuckleheads, you get to tell this
son of a bee to go flip himself. Jay gave
me that line. Son of a bee is like son
of a bee, you can tell this son of it,
like this guy can't curse, like he's there's something about him. Hey,
you're gonna tell this son of a bee to go
flip himself. I mean it's that once you sort of
figure out who that guy is, then you just lean
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into him so hard and again it's like so different
what I love is like it's so different from the
energy what I was saying about you and before we
started a record. I think this season has been phenomenal
and awesome for your character. You've gotten so much great
physical comedy. I mean, to me, when you open up
the door to the side room and the feathers are everywhere,
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because you've just basically had a huge thing and they're
just settling down. I mean, I'm sure as you are.
I can just imagine you on set and they're like, Okay,
fluff the feathers, fluff the feathers, and then the door
opens and it's coming down. You're like, what, there's nothing
going on here. And even when you're sitting down and
that one feather falls on your mouth, I was laughing
so hard, and I'm like, I love it. Jay, you
were saying how how you were just loving the deepening
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of his character this, Yeah, because what I love about
it is like, so you think about the journey that
your character was on, which is like for the longest time,
at the beginning, it was wanting to be a vampire,
and that was the main drive, and that was just
like wanting to transform oneself is really the drive there,
right to become the thing that you thought you always
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wanted to be. Then to reveal that like you're of
the you know, your family and lineage is the arch enemy,
which I loved in that episode where your whole family
came to the house for the first time and then
you realize it's not just like hiding these people in
this truth from your family, it's that they all could
possibly kill your friends, which to me is like, now
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you're put in the position to protect those people. And
then the fact that like you come out to your
family and they're like, we know that, but like you
want to be a vampire. Like that moment is hilarious
and to me, that's such a great moment for your character.
And obviously it's like the heart of the show is
like in the moment where where Nandor's puts his hand
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on your shoulder and it's like you are my best
and like I'm sitting in my living room being like,
just say friend, man, just fucking say friend, Say you
are my best friend. And he says man, which, by
the way, in my mind, I'm like, take it. That's
still pretty good. That's better than nothing. Yeah, but that,
and he does like he'll take that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It's it's progress. It's progress from where we were, you know,
even we've had those moments early on where you know,
in season one, weird enough when you know, Nick Kroll
comes to town and he gets the witch's hat and
explodes the nightclub Bermo flying over the city with Nandor. Afterwards,
he lets him go and he falls and he's in
the hospital and he comes over to him in the hospital,
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you are my and he doesn't finish his sentence and
is just disgusted by it. But that scene that this
last episode or two episodes ago, was very very well done.
And now Sarah enough Talas who wrote that episode, and
she's so talented and amazing. Yeah, and then just that
moment of I in the middle of two families, a
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chosen family that he's lived with for thirteen years who
sometimes treat him like shit, but Enmo does love them,
and his biological family who are who are Van Helsing's?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Who are who are killers?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Born vampire killers? And so here he's in the middle
of two families, two people that he loves, two groups
that he loves, and he uses his sexuality as the
buffer to come in the situation down which he hasn't
talked about it for all his whole lot. It's brilliant writing.
It's just great writing him when I read it, it
was just Sarah killed it with that, you know, with
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that episode. So so do writers do you know? All writers?
Do you know? Speaking of writers? In this episode, I mean,
this is it's gonna go down in history as one
of you know, the top episodes just because of the
way that they seamlessly started filming a show within a show,
like we're a documentary crew and then your crew comes
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in top and films in top of the like it's
like the layers, but so so seamless and so smooth.
And the way when you take us into the world
of like you know, go flip yourself and it's like, hey, knuckleheads,
welcome to Stantona. And like even the voiceover I don't
know if that was the voice actress who does the
voiceover for all those htt TV shows like a Rising City.
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You know, it's so amazing, and I was just like,
this blows my mind. And we're doing a show within
a show within a show and only our writers would
would you know, nail that and both of you, we're
so so great on this And it was just the
improv on the on the show, is there a scene
that you were just having a hard time getting through?
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I know sometimes we improvise them. We keep going and
we just make each other laugh. But is there a
scene that you were like, I'm having a tough time
with this one.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Okay, So the scene remember when we're all sitting in
the room, the fireplace room and with the tree sticking
through the room. In that main room, I've got the
computer open, and I'm trying to explain where everybody's you know,
like this was going to happen to this room, and
so I have to like point to the computer, which
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is not on and they were going to put that
in later. So point to things on the computer, explain
what we're doing, and try and keep laslow engaged to
the point where he doesn't see that this is actually
I am who I really am, and keep not you know,
Naja excited and happy about it. And there's this whole
thing going on between Nandor and Marwa that I'm also
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trying to So there was so much, and you there's
so much, and you're questioning who I you know, you're
kind of questioning this whole thing. So I have to
kind of keep you at bay. There's so much to
do in that scene, I was like, so no, So
I kept on running and kept on running it, and
I like the first time I didn't get through and
I was like, damn it, I didn't get through it,
But like the second time I got through it, and
the third time then we started to find these other moments.
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It was just a blast. The other thing that it
was so funny is when we did the stupid thing
that they do in reality TV shows. That was so
funny where you have a crazy moment where we're like
we reveal something that happened, like this is what's going
to happen, and she's like not just like I you know,
Nataja's like, and then we.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Have to do that bad news, bad news. We have
bad news, yeah, bad news, and.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Then we come back from the break and we have
to do it again but a little bit different to
kind of make fun of how those reality all these
shows do and I'm like, I'm sorry, guys, I've got
some bad news.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
She's likes.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
That cracked me up so hard. I just was.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And the editing, we're like the zooming into your face,
the zooming into their faces and then Mar's face like
not sure what's happening or like the my face just
like who is this guy? And it's so so great,
it's so great. They did such a fantastic job.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
We have way off as a life.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Were you surprised coming into the show of how much
we do get to improvise? I know, working on other shows,
that's not usually that's that's not usually the norm, you know,
and so was that a nice surprise or what was
What did you think?
Speaker 3 (18:48):
So I love that. First of all, everybody was so
respectful of what was written, as you just spent like
five minutes explaining how much you love what the writer
is right and whatnot. So everybody does it exactly as
written in that fun But then Yanna goris Kaya the
just one of my favorite directors we've ever worked with
in all of the comedies we've ever shot, and we've
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been in this business for a quarter of a century now,
she's one of the best, if not the best, that
we've ever worked with. You know. She was like, Okay,
let's have fun, do a fun run. And in the
fun run, the only way you can fully improvise so
well is if you fully understand who these people are
and who these characters are, and there's like an unspoken
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bit that happens and you just keep going with it,
like you don't say, hey, we're going to do this
right now, you just start going with it. And to me,
what that does is it creates very real moments, which
when you have a very real moment in a TV
you know, in a filming of a TV show, to me,
I think that that's just remarkable, and I think there
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are a lot of those on this show based out
of the fact that you guys are on your toes.
I mean, Jay got a chance to do Curb your
Enthusiasm years ago, and I mean you can speak to
that how that was in the moment to like even
not have any lines but just have to get to
a place. Yeah they I mean that show was here's
a strip of paper that says Larry walks in. He
says this, then this happens, then you say this at
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the end of the scene. How you get theirs up
to you and like that means you have to be present.
It forces you to be present and in the moment
and within the reality of the scene. And so you know,
for an actor, the thing you want. I think sometimes
we get bogged down with wanting to make sure we
get the line right so that you know we're honoring
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the line. But really the truth is is if the
spirit of the line is perfect, and you're being this
person and you understand your character beautifully, and I think
all the characters on the show, that's part of the
reason why people love it, why it endures forever, is
that everyone understands their point of view in pretty much
every scenario. So once you get that deeply, the lines
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become just a tool to get that out. And so
if you can improvise off of that, you get the
lines out and then you still keep going. Then usually,
like Randy said, there's like a real moment. And so
for Randy and me, I was only in the top
of the show, but we definitely found some little improvy
moments within the lines that they gave us. And part
of that was our thing is like how much energy
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can we give this opening thing that is totally like
incongruous with the house we're about to walk into. Like
the more energy we give, the more we sort of
give it this Christian rock feel, the funnier it is.
And so as we like we're like having fun with
each other's energy, then new little things were popping out.
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And it's so funny because once you start doing that,
you forget about the lines. You just get the lines right,
because now you're into something else that's like what's behind
the lines, And I feel like that is a great moment,
that's a good place. So I loved our scene that
we had with Nandor in the man Cave and the
Marwa man Cave where he's like lays down on the
bean bag chair and clearly you are there to be
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like this doesn't look comfortable at all, so I have
to like dispense with you while also pump him up,
which is like, as you know, like if you did.
You have to do this so many times on the
show deal with like five different things as an actor
where you're keeping this at bay while at the same
time trying to achieve this objective and whatnot. It just
makes you a better actor. It's like I always feel
like people are better actors when they're eating in a scene,
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Like if you have like a thing of nuts and
you're just eating, you just are more natural. That's just
what it is. So if there's more things in your
hopper and so having you there kind of almost unmasking
what I was doing or being like this guy is
this is a fraud type of scenario was great. I
loved it.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
It's so funny that you said that because you you
in character of like that at the end, the big
surprise that it's actually Simon the devious played by Nick Carle.
When you're playing that but to fool everyone and to
giet will be the one who's like hesitant and seeing
that and the way they wrote that the character knows
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how to get to Guillermo, which is, you know what,
we should spruce up Giermo's like dump of a room
and that wins him over. And then the idea that
that wins Giemo sol You're like, Okay, he's on board,
Like we got him. He's in because it's like, you'll
get this luxury bed blah blah, we opened the wall,
we make up roof for it. And that's how you
win Guillermo over. You just have to find a way
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to like make him drop his guard. And he did
it and and I think it's so funny that he
completely forgets that. He's like, you know, very cautious of you,
both of you, and from the get go, because you
get into the house and say your opening line is like,
so we told him that we had to leave. They
had to leave the door open so we can come
in and check there much shime. And you go into
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the house and it's so funny that you just need
to get back into that house and you created a
show for They were one hundred and.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Fifty episodes with a guy who doesn't know how to
do construction, that they just picked the guy who you
now look like, it's so funny. It's such a brilliant
way to use twins.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
And it's so sad that the montage to have of
Jay and it's like and so like, why didn't you
just find someone who was already good at it? No,
I found someone who was on their way pay for
their education as a father of you're a father of three.
There's a picture with you and your family, and then
that's like the comedy and the tragedy is like, no,
that was a family man. You you build you.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
The right the wrong one too, That's what's so funny.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, so you would have killed Simon from the guy
go you killed the wrong Like it's insane.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I love that you talked about that, Like that was
the thing that got you, was the uh that I
was going to just improve your room, because I feel
like everybody has the thing about like, you know these
types of shows that okay, just you know, just make
my room look nice. Everybody falls in love with that,
like you like, we are defenseless against I'm gonna make
your room look better. This is funny.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
But the fact that at the end the revw because
of budget, and then I have to pretend to call
from the city and pretend to be you know, all
the bad news. You can't do that, and it's like, well, sorry, guys,
due to the you know, we've never seen this before,
but we can't do that, but we will do what
we can. And then the reveal of like you just
put like the smallest like plant on top of the's
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so good. The whole tree that's on the living room
or the fancy room. You just put a plant on
top of this fallen tree to cover up. That's the
best we could do with the budget.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I mean the best we could do with it.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
It's ridiculous Budgetaryn, It's so fun. And then not just
Gold Toilet was another fun one that I really liked,
where she's like and I literally lean into her, like
you can't even take a ship, and she's like, stop
trying to watering down my brand. She wants a gold
toilet so bad for no reason. She doesn't need a
gold toilet. She can't take a ship.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
She wants to blink. She wants she wants the blink.
And I think this is the other thing is someone
who was watching this episode from like even a little
bit of a distance, because once I was out of it,
I was just really watching you guys do it. There
is this feeling and I think in every season there
there is sort of one episode that kind of emerges
as this, like I don't know, this crazy memory. There's
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so many memorial moments throughout the season, but one sort
of episode becomes like that. Like for us, the Jackie
Daytona one was such an iconic one. I think the
the two the energy and the emotional vampire battle was
another really big one in the first season. And you
know the one where I think it was your you
going to the meeting with all those guys, it was
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most the Mosquito Hunters, of the Mosquito Hunters of the
bet That was another one of those Craig I mean,
so there are those like iconic moments, and as I'm
watching this, as they're doing this episode and you guys
are doing it, I'm like, I think this might kind
of be There's been a lot already this season, like
the wedding and whatnot, but like, I think this episode
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has that potential to be the like very memorable one
out of this season. You know it just I would agree.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I think it's it's I mean when I watched it
and I got to see it a little bit, you know,
before this week, and it was just like I couldn't
stop laughing. Like it's like and I work on the show,
you know, I get to and you already know what
the story is going to be in your head. You're like, well,
I know what the story is. I read the script,
so I know what it's probably going to come out
looking like like, man, you never the show just you know,
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it's running on all cylinders, and everyone on it and
everyone they cast, you know, obviously both the you know,
Randy and Jay, you know you both include it. It's
like they there's no mistake, like everything is done with
the reason. There's purpose and and the right person and
the right actors and the right people come and join us,
because it just makes this world. Like I'm still blown away.
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It's season four and I'm still like watching episodes that
I'm like, how like I get to do this and
I'm so lucky to be a part of the show,
But how do they keep doing it? They just keep
doing it, Like it's just like it just gets better
and better and better, and this episode is going to
be like for the books, it's so so so good.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
We have way more fun a life.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I want to ask Jay, So you got to be
on set and kind of be like, you know a
little bit of like behind the camera and seeing how
everything works and like this machine. What was your take
on like the whole experience? What was that like it
was a set different than you expected or was it
very similar to what you're used to, or what was
your whole take on having that experience?
Speaker 3 (28:38):
So I'm going to talk about one thing that was
really special and it involves you as well, is they?
So maybe it's just because of the location of base
camp versus where we were and how cold it was outside.
There was a trailer. You guys have a trailer, this
really big trailer that's right near the set where the
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actors hung out between and before take so they didn't
have to go all the way back to their individual trailers.
And we've been on sets where you know, all the
actors are in their individual trailers and you really only
see each other right when you step onto the set.
But we got to spend hours with you guys in
this trailer, doing silly jokes and getting to know you
and talk about stuff and talk about your experiences in
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Toronto and all this stuff, and so for that to
happen for us new people joining the set, we were
suddenly put at total ease. We were making you guys laugh,
so that we were hopefully in our own minds, being like,
all right, they have confidence in us, these guys who
know each other so well, Hopefully they'll feel comfortable with
us on set and know that we are here to play.
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And all those moments, like backstage before we even got
onto the set, to me were like, those were like
gold moments that of course never you know. I think
we were doing some bit with Natasha where every time
she said something, we were like, well, that's actually why
we're here. We're here from Fox and we're here about
quality control and we just kept doing that dumb bit.
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And then everyone started joining in on that bit, and
it was like this little thing we're doing in the
trailer and it would it just it gave us this
feeling like, Okay, we're being accepted into this group of
really talented people and we're able to just joke around
and prove to them that we can play. And then
that translates you walk onto the set and you just
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see it go straight from that room. All the play
and the joy that was in there goes straight onto
the set. And so actors hanging out with each other
is important. I think it builds the chemistry. You see it.
So when we see it in backstage and then see
it turn around right around on the stage, I'm like, oh,
that makes sense now in my brain, it like clicked
in to watch all that happen. I'm like, oh, this
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is why you know your character and Nander's character have
a shorthand, because you guys were being funny in the
trailer and I saw it happen back there, and why
Matt is so funny with Natasha and their energy, like
they just get it because it's not like they don't
talk to each other except for when they step on
the set. And so that was really really cool for
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me to watch. The other thing was super cool for
me to watch was just to see how like Yana
was working with everyone and n and I said this,
like when you do a comedy. We've been on comedies
before where the director and the crew and those people
never laugh. You're like, what the what are you doing?
These people are putting so much energy into this stuff
and I know it's funny, but they just feel like, Okay,
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this isn't a laugh track show. So as soon as
they get it, they're like, all right, moving on, and
then you're left out there going was that funny? I
don't I hope that was good. As soon as she's cut,
Yanna laughs so hard and gives it up and tells
you what she loves about it. Same with the crew,
Same with the producers and the writers. They're so they're
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there to be like, all right, you guys, whatever you
did on that last thing that was so good. So
watching all that stuff, I know this is a long answer,
but you start to understand, like these are the little
things that good shows do that make it like Okay.
The actors want to be there, they want to play.
Then people coming you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, it's true, it's your you nailed it on the head.
It's it's nothing's better than when you can make the
boom guy who's holding you know, the boom up, giggle
and shake the boom and almost drop it because they're
listening and laughing about what's happening. You know. I always
say the crew has the you know, longevity in this
business because you'll always need a boom, a DP and
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a you know actor. I feel like there's just so
many of us, and it's like, if you get that gig,
it's such a lucky break. But also they've seen it all,
so they're like they can phone it in and they're
just holding the boom. I got it rolling, sound okay,
we got move on. But our crew is so engaged
with what the storyline is they themselves are laughing, and
so there's been takes where that happens, where like literally
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our boom guy's literally laughing and he almost drops the boom.
And that's when you know you're creating something good. When
when somebody who's seen it all, who's been around for years,
and they've been on comedies and dramas, and they've been
around you know, the A listeners and all the time,
when they themselves are laughing and engaged in the storyline,
you're like, oh, this is gonna be good. Whatever way
they end up editing this, it's going to look great
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because this is how funny it is now and.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
It's the whole crew. I mean, that's the thing. Like
Jay and I have been around sets where you know,
the show is. We've been on sets where the show
doesn't know if it's going to come back, and you know,
there's like a sense of nervousness around this, whereas this set,
everybody's like what you just said. They know they're a
part of this really special show. Even when I went
into do my ADR session and I met on saw
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On Zoom, the you know, the post production people, and
they were like, they were like, we love this episode
so much. We love this episode, we love working on it.
We thought it was so great, so funny. You're like, oh,
you guys still care about every little detail, and of
course they do. It's not just a job to them.
I think they who weren't even there with us, you
know some of the people were, but like the two
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people I'd never seen before, they care so deeply about
it and they know that they're a part of something
that is so special. And I'll say this. We told people,
you know, we do sets at the Comedy Store all
the time in Los Angeles and they're like, when are
you guys coming back here? And we're like or they're like,
can you come and do sets in November? We're like, no,
we're actually going to be up in Toronto, and I
don't know if we can say this, but we're shooting
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what we do in the shadows and told other friends
and whatnot. They in the comedy community, I mean the
very very top of the comedy community. They love the
show so much, the respect we got so much love
for like, oh my god, you're doing a couple of
episodes of that show. That's phenomenal and we're just like
coming in for a few episodes. So understand that from
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just a guest starring standpoint, that like the original and
the cast and whatnot, of which you are a part of,
it is just held in such high regards all over
the comedy community.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Well that means a lot. Then thank you for saying that,
because that's not you know, comedians are hard to win over.
I mean they the top, you know, at their game.
So for a comedian to say that to another comedian,
that's great. I love that. And and we're so lucky
to have you on the show. We're lucky to have
you and hope to have a way to you know,
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no one ever dies in this world.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Well a part of us is like in our heart
of hearts, we're like God, we'd love to come back
because it was just so much fun to work with you,
like in some way, shape or form, Like who knows,
maybe you know Nandor is like I gotta I want
these guys back in my life. Or Laslo's like I
can't live without Brandon Toby. So we got to like
reanimate them and bring them back. You never know, or.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
That we did love the show, he'd love the show.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Get a chance, or that we get a chance to
make Go Flip Yourself as an actual show to me
would be hilarious.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Ah, that's so great. I mean, anything's possible in our world.
Anything's possible. And we love you Andy, We love you Jay.
It's just been phenomenal having you guys on so on
the show. We've been asking everyone who's been doing Behind
the Shadows this question. This season, we have Nasea's Nightclub
and although we mentioned it in your show, you know,
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Go Flip Yourself, if you were to have a drink
that was to your character, what would be the name
of the drink and what would consist of at Naja's Nightclub?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Okay, Jay, you got to do the Toby. Toby is
like one non an alcoholic. It'd probably like milk with
a shot of oat milk inside it milk with a
shot of oat milk, and it's called like a white Ukrainian.
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That's good. Like that?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Is it garnish with anything? Is there any like thing
on top or any decoration.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Or maybe like a dollip of like sugar sugar around
the rim, Like it's not even salt. Milk with a
shot of oat milk and it's sugar around the rim.
It's a white Ukrainian. There you go. God, that's so good.
I feel like awful. My favorite drink now is the
app all sprits. It's like very Italian, you know. It's
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like apparol, a little bit of you know, with a
little bit of ginger ale it or sprite or whatever,
and you put a little ton again then you put
a orange slice in it. To me, it would be
like and brands would be like an entire fruit salad
inside of an apparol sprits. And we call it, I
don't know what even what we call it jay. We
call it like the I mean, I don't know, I know,
(37:25):
you know, we call it brantastic. Is what you call
the knucklehead, the knucklehead, uckle ahead, the knucklehead, And it
is brantastic.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
There you go, there you go. Well, thank you so
much for being on the show. We know you have
another show right now coming out Notesblea. Do you want
to give us some information where we can see that
where what's all about?
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Go ahead, Yeah, so I'll go ahead. So we did
a show. We did a show on ESPN Classic years ago.
It was like mystery science Theater for the old weird
sporting events that lived in the ESPN library, and it
was called Cheap Seats. And for years our fans have
been like, we want you to bring it back, and
so we finally have an opportunity to bring it back. Jay,
you can continue on and explain it. Yeah, So it's
(38:09):
it's it's such a fun show and you don't even
have to be a fan of UFC to to enjoy
this show. It's just pure comedy and it's been We
did six episodes. The first episode is available on YouTube
if you just search Nosebleeds and Sclar Brothers UFC you'll
find it. It's basically mystery science Theater, as Rennie said,
with us running commentary and jokes and then jumping out
(38:31):
into sketches. Rob Cordrey's in the first episode. John Hamm
plays a personal injury lawyer who's trying to rep fighters.
Marilyn Rice Cub is in it. Tony Hale is in it.
If we're lucky enough to do more, we'll write something
for you to do in it, so that this is
the goal badly. Yeah. Man, it's pure comedy. It's that's
what I love about this. It's really like, this isn't
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us trying to do a sort of silly sports show.
This is us trying to do a full on comedy,
full comedy swing and they let us do it, and
it's in our voice and we're proud of it. So
go watch the watch the Nosebleeds Skla Brothers. Search for
that on YouTube and you'll find it and you'll be
pleasantly surprised. I think it's really fun.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Well, there you go, folks. You heard it here. Randy Jay,
thanks so much for joining us, and I can't wait
to work together again in the future. Your show, our show,
any show, because you're both a delight.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I would love it so much. Harvey are the best.
Thanks for the best, man. We'll have you come to
our podcast Dumb Peopletown too to promote your own. We
can't wait all.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Let's do it all right.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
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Speaker 2 (40:03):
Have to tell me, why.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Would anyone want to be alive that might have a
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Speaker 2 (40:13):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome to another episode of Behind the Shadows, the podcast
dedicated to talking all things Shadows with the cast, crew
and celebrity fans. Today's guest is our two new favorite twins.
They show us how to renovate and spruce our home.
They talk about how the laughs don't stop when in
between takes and in the Shadows, and they gush over
(00:29):
their brand new favorite director in the biz. Find out
who that is. With Randy and Jason scar.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Breathing this so wwhelming heart bizarre has to tell me
why would anyone want to be alive? Death might have
a reputation before she arrives, but trust me, we have
way more fun the aff line. We have wey more
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funny after line.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
All Right, I'm super excited for today's guests. They are
my new favorite twin brothers. Yeah, there's a lot. Okay,
there's a lot of people on that list. And Randy
and Jay Sklar are our new favorite property brothers. If
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you will, they have joined the world and what we
do in the Shadows and in this week's episode, they
were absolutely phenomenal and I'm so excited to have you
both on the show. Thanks for being here.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Thank you so much, And it was so much fun
to get to shoot with you last November for almost
a month. It was you were amazing fun to work
with and No, Randy and I always say like, there
are jobs that we get that we're grateful for all
the work. But then you get a job on a
show that you've been watching and you're like, wait, wait,
(01:55):
I get to actually do these things with these people
that I'm a little stars struck by because this is
a show in my cue that I watch every week.
And then you're like, I hope I don't screw it up,
and I hope we're as good as they are. And
it's a whole It adds a whole new layer.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, speaking of we were so excited to have you
on the show obviously, but you said you were fans
of the show before, So were you a fan of
the movie and then the show or was the show
your first experience?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So movie, I mean, we go way back with Jamaine
and you know Flight of the Concords and those guys,
meeting them back in like two thousand and we did
a I never forget a show we did with them
in Seattle where we kind of we went on right
before them, and that was like in front of like
three thousand people. We each did headlining sets, and so
we go way back with them. So when the movie
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came out, I was super excited to see the movie
and I loved it so much. And you know, you
get this moment where you're like, oh my god, how
are they going to make a TV series that can
actually hold up to the movie. And then there are
those TV series where you're like, oh my god, doing
stuff in this series that they couldn't do in the movie,
(03:04):
or that takes it further and goes into different places
and it has a life of its own and it
becomes like your favorite thing. I think it's the best
comedy on TV right now.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Well, thank you very much, and now you guys are
a part of our world. This week we saw that unfortunately,
Jason Jay you're you. You have an early demise in
the show when you read what did you.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Think anyone ever really die? In this world? I mean
we saw the baron come out and get a full
full like rejuvenation of his body, which I mean that
was hilarious, which is true.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know, that's the first time, one of the few
times that you've ever seen Doug Jones out of prosthetics,
out of not acting with an actual like full of
a face of makeup or prosthetic. And I just saw
him yesterday actually here in Seattle, and he was you know,
the fans have been like raving, like can you imagine
having a career where you're known for all these creatures
(04:05):
and whatnot? And yeah, no one knows what your face
looks like. And so you're right, no one dies in
the show. And I hope that you know, you come
back with a nice looking neck, because I think Naja
did a number on you.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
She goes in, She goes in on that. And the
best part about that is when I when I get
killed immediately as I as we walk in the house,
which is hilarious, they had a rig inside of my
shirt that like is spraying blood and I just remember
them being like it's not enough blood, like we need more,
like turn up the power on that thing. And so
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all this blood she gets at my neck and all
this blood starts spraying out. I'm just sitting in a
pool of this like cold blood, and I'm thinking to myself,
this is everything you always want to do, Like you
want to have a sensational dying moment on screen at
some point in your life, and it was it was
beautiful and she and what I loved about her. Okay,
(05:00):
this is why she's so great because we were sort
of the deep background moment of that, like we were
the We weren't necessarily the focus at that scene because
Randy and Matt just sort of walk into the foreground
and start having this conversation about what they want to
do with the house. But we're in the background and
she's just feasting on me, and she's like, we're in
(05:20):
the background, but she's still going at it as if
it was the focus of the scene. And I'm like,
that's just that's why this show is great. Everybody is
like a pro and everybody they don't know. How about
the first scene, Harvey and that that we shot where
I'm speaking to the camera like it's our show, go
flip yourself, and Matt is like right behind me, so
right behind me, there's really funny stuff going on, and
(05:42):
then you and cave On are in the back dumping
the body in the thing, and you guys are being
hilarious in the deep I mean, there's a joke and
then there's a joke and then there's a joke way
back there. It's again speaks to why this show so
goddamn great.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
And you guys are so funny. That was I remember
that first day on set, which, by the way, we're
shooting up in Toronto. It's the middle of winter and
you guys have been up there, But that was that
was cold, right, That was a pretty cold shoot, and
it was the first scene we're shooting. And I mean,
this episode is quickly becoming one of my favorites, just
because it takes us into a different world, out of
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the documentary world, but into the like HDTV kind of
idea of like home, and it's so well done. You're
opening credits to your show where you're like just smashing
and they're like, you know, back to back brothers and
those poses and the camera and the way it pans
out from like people opening another blindfolds and looking at
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their new home just so so so funny. When you
read the script where you what were your thoughts? Like,
I mean, people always ask how much do you improvise
on this show? And now you get to experience, you know,
being going up there and shooting with us for like
over a month. What was your experience, Like what did
you think, what were your expectations, and what were your
what you really experienced.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So the audition came through, and of course we're like
huge fans of the show. I mean like watching every
episode waiting for the next season to come out. And
we were like, oh my god, I love this show
so much. And we started reading the script and we
were like, wait was this written for us to do?
We kind of got really excited and then we're like,
(07:24):
oh my god, don't screw it up. Do not f
it up. And so my daughter, I have a seventeen
year old daughter and she's like goes to the theater
high school and wants to be a director and all
this stuff. And she shot our audition. So we were
going to like do it like on a white wall
and kind of do it. She's like, no, no, no, I
want to shoot it like outside, like pretend like you're
coming up to our house. And she gave us she
(07:45):
actually gave us some really good notes in the audition.
I was really proud of her and how she shot
it and looked really cool. And what was great about
that is we did it because you can self tape
and you want to look good. We did it enough
times that the scene became very much a part of
who we were, so that when we went shot on
that first day and we had that stuff, like you
went home and we shot the beginning stuff that night.
(08:05):
We were the last shots that night, but we had
already done it for the audition and we had done it.
But so when we didn't scent it in, we thought
to ourselves, if we don't get this. We're like, if
we don't get this, then we should probably quit the business.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Quit the business, right because we're like.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
We love what we did. We said, they'll either go
one of two ways. They'll either try and get the
actual property Brothers, which is definitely a choice to try
and get those guys, and those guys would definitely do it,
or get someone who's kind of similar to that, or
the go in our direction, and we were hoping they
would because we knew if they went our way, there's
so much other comedy that can come out. We know
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we can bring so much to it beyond just being
like house flipping guys. And so what emerged, and as
you saw throughout the whole thing is like the relationship
between my character and Matt's character throughout the whole episode
like got much deeper and much like closer, which to
me is wonderful because then the reveal at the end,
(09:04):
when you pull the rug out from under everything is
just that much more of a dick move. It's a betrayal.
It's such a deep, deep, deep betrayal. And so Matt
was very generously falling for everything that brand was dishing out,
and the more he felt for it, the more I
started to do it. And so there were moments where
(09:25):
you know, you're just doing conversation as you're kind of
walking out and playing the scene out and you're improvising
that conversation, and it was like he was giving me
so much that then let the setup and the punch
at the end be so great. That's what everybody did.
I mean, you were phenomenal scene. There was a moment
where you know, Natasha's like hypnotizing us, and she's like,
(09:47):
well who else? Who else knows about this? And there
were a couple of things in there, but the writers
are like, just go, just continue to go. So I
just start listing all these people. I'm like, the producer
has a girlfriend who.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And that made it.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I can't believe that made it in I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
We have way more fun after life.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And the best is I. You know, so I get
killed pretty quickly, but I I'm up in Toronto and
I still have some stuff to do here and there.
But I'm not going to just sit in my hotel
room or walk around Toronto by myself. I love this
show so much. I came to the set days when
I wasn't even necessarily shooting that much, and I I
just remember I was like on the set because I
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love being around you guys. I loved hanging in the
room just talking to people. And then I would also
pitch Randy like little jokes between scenes where I'm like
try this, throw this in, throw that in. So I
kind of became like a little mini mini writer's room
for Randy to throw in some improvs. I'm like, call
him Lasmataz, call him this, call him that. Like you're
getting comfortable with this guy, and if they don't like it,
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they'll tell you to stop. And they kind of just
they loved that sort of very like bougie, like boozy,
like a little too relaxed, a little too comfortable with everyone,
sort of a guy. And as soon as soon as
we got into that, I was like, oh, this is
exactly who that I know, who this guy is all
the way.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I think my favorite line that you guys say are
the rents that says, what is it? Hey, you knucklehead?
Like it just became like the ongoing thing you knucklehead.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah, you know, hey, knuckleheads, you get to tell this
son of a bee to go flip himself. Jay gave
me that line. Son of a bee is like son
of a bee, you can tell this son of it,
like this guy can't curse, like he's there's something about him. Hey,
you're gonna tell this son of a bee to go
flip himself. I mean it's that once you sort of
figure out who that guy is, then you just lean
(11:50):
into him so hard and again it's like so different
what I love is like it's so different from the
energy what I was saying about you and before we
started a record. I think this season has been phenomenal
and awesome for your character. You've gotten so much great
physical comedy. I mean, to me, when you open up
the door to the side room and the feathers are everywhere,
(12:13):
because you've just basically had a huge thing and they're
just settling down. I mean, I'm sure as you are.
I can just imagine you on set and they're like, Okay,
fluff the feathers, fluff the feathers, and then the door
opens and it's coming down. You're like, what, there's nothing
going on here. And even when you're sitting down and
that one feather falls on your mouth, I was laughing
so hard, and I'm like, I love it. Jay, you
were saying how how you were just loving the deepening
(12:36):
of his character this, Yeah, because what I love about
it is like, so you think about the journey that
your character was on, which is like for the longest time,
at the beginning, it was wanting to be a vampire,
and that was the main drive, and that was just
like wanting to transform oneself is really the drive there,
right to become the thing that you thought you always
(12:56):
wanted to be. Then to reveal that like you're of
the you know, your family and lineage is the arch enemy,
which I loved in that episode where your whole family
came to the house for the first time and then
you realize it's not just like hiding these people in
this truth from your family, it's that they all could
possibly kill your friends, which to me is like, now
(13:18):
you're put in the position to protect those people. And
then the fact that like you come out to your
family and they're like, we know that, but like you
want to be a vampire. Like that moment is hilarious
and to me, that's such a great moment for your character.
And obviously it's like the heart of the show is
like in the moment where where Nandor's puts his hand
(13:40):
on your shoulder and it's like you are my best
and like I'm sitting in my living room being like,
just say friend, man, just fucking say friend, Say you
are my best friend. And he says man, which, by
the way, in my mind, I'm like, take it. That's
still pretty good. That's better than nothing. Yeah, but that,
and he does like he'll take that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It's it's progress. It's progress from where we were, you know,
even we've had those moments early on where you know,
in season one, weird enough when you know, Nick Kroll
comes to town and he gets the witch's hat and
explodes the nightclub Bermo flying over the city with Nandor. Afterwards,
he lets him go and he falls and he's in
the hospital and he comes over to him in the hospital,
(14:22):
you are my and he doesn't finish his sentence and
is just disgusted by it. But that scene that this
last episode or two episodes ago, was very very well done.
And now Sarah enough Talas who wrote that episode, and
she's so talented and amazing. Yeah, and then just that
moment of I in the middle of two families, a
(14:44):
chosen family that he's lived with for thirteen years who
sometimes treat him like shit, but Enmo does love them,
and his biological family who are who are Van Helsing's?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Who are who are killers?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Born vampire killers? And so here he's in the middle
of two families, two people that he loves, two groups
that he loves, and he uses his sexuality as the
buffer to come in the situation down which he hasn't
talked about it for all his whole lot. It's brilliant writing.
It's just great writing him when I read it, it
was just Sarah killed it with that, you know, with
(15:18):
that episode. So so do writers do you know? All writers?
Do you know? Speaking of writers? In this episode, I mean,
this is it's gonna go down in history as one
of you know, the top episodes just because of the
way that they seamlessly started filming a show within a show,
like we're a documentary crew and then your crew comes
(15:38):
in top and films in top of the like it's
like the layers, but so so seamless and so smooth.
And the way when you take us into the world
of like you know, go flip yourself and it's like, hey, knuckleheads,
welcome to Stantona. And like even the voiceover I don't
know if that was the voice actress who does the
voiceover for all those htt TV shows like a Rising City.
(16:00):
You know, it's so amazing, and I was just like,
this blows my mind. And we're doing a show within
a show within a show and only our writers would
would you know, nail that and both of you, we're
so so great on this And it was just the
improv on the on the show, is there a scene
that you were just having a hard time getting through?
(16:20):
I know sometimes we improvise them. We keep going and
we just make each other laugh. But is there a
scene that you were like, I'm having a tough time
with this one.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Okay, So the scene remember when we're all sitting in
the room, the fireplace room and with the tree sticking
through the room. In that main room, I've got the
computer open, and I'm trying to explain where everybody's you know,
like this was going to happen to this room, and
so I have to like point to the computer, which
(16:48):
is not on and they were going to put that
in later. So point to things on the computer, explain
what we're doing, and try and keep laslow engaged to
the point where he doesn't see that this is actually
I am who I really am, and keep not you know,
Naja excited and happy about it. And there's this whole
thing going on between Nandor and Marwa that I'm also
(17:10):
trying to So there was so much, and you there's
so much, and you're questioning who I you know, you're
kind of questioning this whole thing. So I have to
kind of keep you at bay. There's so much to
do in that scene, I was like, so no, So
I kept on running and kept on running it, and
I like the first time I didn't get through and
I was like, damn it, I didn't get through it,
But like the second time I got through it, and
the third time then we started to find these other moments.
(17:30):
It was just a blast. The other thing that it
was so funny is when we did the stupid thing
that they do in reality TV shows. That was so
funny where you have a crazy moment where we're like
we reveal something that happened, like this is what's going
to happen, and she's like not just like I you know,
Nataja's like, and then we.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Have to do that bad news, bad news. We have
bad news, yeah, bad news, and.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Then we come back from the break and we have
to do it again but a little bit different to
kind of make fun of how those reality all these
shows do and I'm like, I'm sorry, guys, I've got
some bad news.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
She's likes.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
That cracked me up so hard. I just was.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And the editing, we're like the zooming into your face,
the zooming into their faces and then Mar's face like
not sure what's happening or like the my face just
like who is this guy? And it's so so great,
it's so great. They did such a fantastic job.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
We have way off as a life.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Were you surprised coming into the show of how much
we do get to improvise? I know, working on other shows,
that's not usually that's that's not usually the norm, you know,
and so was that a nice surprise or what was
What did you think?
Speaker 3 (18:48):
So I love that. First of all, everybody was so
respectful of what was written, as you just spent like
five minutes explaining how much you love what the writer
is right and whatnot. So everybody does it exactly as
written in that fun But then Yanna goris Kaya the
just one of my favorite directors we've ever worked with
in all of the comedies we've ever shot, and we've
(19:08):
been in this business for a quarter of a century now,
she's one of the best, if not the best, that
we've ever worked with. You know. She was like, Okay,
let's have fun, do a fun run. And in the
fun run, the only way you can fully improvise so
well is if you fully understand who these people are
and who these characters are, and there's like an unspoken
(19:30):
bit that happens and you just keep going with it,
like you don't say, hey, we're going to do this
right now, you just start going with it. And to me,
what that does is it creates very real moments, which
when you have a very real moment in a TV
you know, in a filming of a TV show, to me,
I think that that's just remarkable, and I think there
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are a lot of those on this show based out
of the fact that you guys are on your toes.
I mean, Jay got a chance to do Curb your
Enthusiasm years ago, and I mean you can speak to
that how that was in the moment to like even
not have any lines but just have to get to
a place. Yeah they I mean that show was here's
a strip of paper that says Larry walks in. He
says this, then this happens, then you say this at
(20:12):
the end of the scene. How you get theirs up
to you and like that means you have to be present.
It forces you to be present and in the moment
and within the reality of the scene. And so you know,
for an actor, the thing you want. I think sometimes
we get bogged down with wanting to make sure we
get the line right so that you know we're honoring
(20:32):
the line. But really the truth is is if the
spirit of the line is perfect, and you're being this
person and you understand your character beautifully, and I think
all the characters on the show, that's part of the
reason why people love it, why it endures forever, is
that everyone understands their point of view in pretty much
every scenario. So once you get that deeply, the lines
(20:54):
become just a tool to get that out. And so
if you can improvise off of that, you get the
lines out and then you still keep going. Then usually,
like Randy said, there's like a real moment. And so
for Randy and me, I was only in the top
of the show, but we definitely found some little improvy
moments within the lines that they gave us. And part
of that was our thing is like how much energy
(21:18):
can we give this opening thing that is totally like
incongruous with the house we're about to walk into. Like
the more energy we give, the more we sort of
give it this Christian rock feel, the funnier it is.
And so as we like we're like having fun with
each other's energy, then new little things were popping out.
(21:38):
And it's so funny because once you start doing that,
you forget about the lines. You just get the lines right,
because now you're into something else that's like what's behind
the lines, And I feel like that is a great moment,
that's a good place. So I loved our scene that
we had with Nandor in the man Cave and the
Marwa man Cave where he's like lays down on the
bean bag chair and clearly you are there to be
(22:02):
like this doesn't look comfortable at all, so I have
to like dispense with you while also pump him up,
which is like, as you know, like if you did.
You have to do this so many times on the
show deal with like five different things as an actor
where you're keeping this at bay while at the same
time trying to achieve this objective and whatnot. It just
makes you a better actor. It's like I always feel
like people are better actors when they're eating in a scene,
(22:24):
Like if you have like a thing of nuts and
you're just eating, you just are more natural. That's just
what it is. So if there's more things in your
hopper and so having you there kind of almost unmasking
what I was doing or being like this guy is
this is a fraud type of scenario was great. I
loved it.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
It's so funny that you said that because you you
in character of like that at the end, the big
surprise that it's actually Simon the devious played by Nick Carle.
When you're playing that but to fool everyone and to
giet will be the one who's like hesitant and seeing
that and the way they wrote that the character knows
(22:59):
how to get to Guillermo, which is, you know what,
we should spruce up Giermo's like dump of a room
and that wins him over. And then the idea that
that wins Giemo sol You're like, Okay, he's on board,
Like we got him. He's in because it's like, you'll
get this luxury bed blah blah, we opened the wall,
we make up roof for it. And that's how you
win Guillermo over. You just have to find a way
(23:21):
to like make him drop his guard. And he did
it and and I think it's so funny that he
completely forgets that. He's like, you know, very cautious of you,
both of you, and from the get go, because you
get into the house and say your opening line is like,
so we told him that we had to leave. They
had to leave the door open so we can come
in and check there much shime. And you go into
(23:42):
the house and it's so funny that you just need
to get back into that house and you created a
show for They were one hundred and.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Fifty episodes with a guy who doesn't know how to
do construction, that they just picked the guy who you
now look like, it's so funny. It's such a brilliant
way to use twins.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
And it's so sad that the montage to have of
Jay and it's like and so like, why didn't you
just find someone who was already good at it? No,
I found someone who was on their way pay for
their education as a father of you're a father of three.
There's a picture with you and your family, and then
that's like the comedy and the tragedy is like, no,
that was a family man. You you build you.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
The right the wrong one too, That's what's so funny.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, so you would have killed Simon from the guy
go you killed the wrong Like it's insane.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I love that you talked about that, Like that was
the thing that got you, was the uh that I
was going to just improve your room, because I feel
like everybody has the thing about like, you know these
types of shows that okay, just you know, just make
my room look nice. Everybody falls in love with that,
like you like, we are defenseless against I'm gonna make
your room look better. This is funny.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
But the fact that at the end the revw because
of budget, and then I have to pretend to call
from the city and pretend to be you know, all
the bad news. You can't do that, and it's like, well, sorry, guys,
due to the you know, we've never seen this before,
but we can't do that, but we will do what
we can. And then the reveal of like you just
put like the smallest like plant on top of the's
(25:17):
so good. The whole tree that's on the living room
or the fancy room. You just put a plant on
top of this fallen tree to cover up. That's the
best we could do with the budget.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I mean the best we could do with it.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
It's ridiculous Budgetaryn, It's so fun. And then not just
Gold Toilet was another fun one that I really liked,
where she's like and I literally lean into her, like
you can't even take a ship, and she's like, stop
trying to watering down my brand. She wants a gold
toilet so bad for no reason. She doesn't need a
gold toilet. She can't take a ship.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
She wants to blink. She wants she wants the blink.
And I think this is the other thing is someone
who was watching this episode from like even a little
bit of a distance, because once I was out of it,
I was just really watching you guys do it. There
is this feeling and I think in every season there
there is sort of one episode that kind of emerges
as this, like I don't know, this crazy memory. There's
(26:13):
so many memorial moments throughout the season, but one sort
of episode becomes like that. Like for us, the Jackie
Daytona one was such an iconic one. I think the
the two the energy and the emotional vampire battle was
another really big one in the first season. And you
know the one where I think it was your you
going to the meeting with all those guys, it was
(26:36):
most the Mosquito Hunters, of the Mosquito Hunters of the
bet That was another one of those Craig I mean,
so there are those like iconic moments, and as I'm
watching this, as they're doing this episode and you guys
are doing it, I'm like, I think this might kind
of be There's been a lot already this season, like
the wedding and whatnot, but like, I think this episode
(26:58):
has that potential to be the like very memorable one
out of this season. You know it just I would agree.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I think it's it's I mean when I watched it
and I got to see it a little bit, you know,
before this week, and it was just like I couldn't
stop laughing. Like it's like and I work on the show,
you know, I get to and you already know what
the story is going to be in your head. You're like, well,
I know what the story is. I read the script,
so I know what it's probably going to come out
looking like like, man, you never the show just you know,
(27:25):
it's running on all cylinders, and everyone on it and
everyone they cast, you know, obviously both the you know,
Randy and Jay, you know you both include it. It's
like they there's no mistake, like everything is done with
the reason. There's purpose and and the right person and
the right actors and the right people come and join us,
because it just makes this world. Like I'm still blown away.
(27:47):
It's season four and I'm still like watching episodes that
I'm like, how like I get to do this and
I'm so lucky to be a part of the show,
But how do they keep doing it? They just keep
doing it, Like it's just like it just gets better
and better and better, and this episode is going to
be like for the books, it's so so so good.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
We have way more fun a life.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I want to ask Jay, So you got to be
on set and kind of be like, you know a
little bit of like behind the camera and seeing how
everything works and like this machine. What was your take
on like the whole experience? What was that like it
was a set different than you expected or was it
very similar to what you're used to, or what was
your whole take on having that experience?
Speaker 3 (28:38):
So I'm going to talk about one thing that was
really special and it involves you as well, is they?
So maybe it's just because of the location of base
camp versus where we were and how cold it was outside.
There was a trailer. You guys have a trailer, this
really big trailer that's right near the set where the
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actors hung out between and before take so they didn't
have to go all the way back to their individual trailers.
And we've been on sets where you know, all the
actors are in their individual trailers and you really only
see each other right when you step onto the set.
But we got to spend hours with you guys in
this trailer, doing silly jokes and getting to know you
and talk about stuff and talk about your experiences in
(29:20):
Toronto and all this stuff, and so for that to
happen for us new people joining the set, we were
suddenly put at total ease. We were making you guys laugh,
so that we were hopefully in our own minds, being like,
all right, they have confidence in us, these guys who
know each other so well, Hopefully they'll feel comfortable with
us on set and know that we are here to play.
(29:42):
And all those moments, like backstage before we even got
onto the set, to me were like, those were like
gold moments that of course never you know. I think
we were doing some bit with Natasha where every time
she said something, we were like, well, that's actually why
we're here. We're here from Fox and we're here about
quality control and we just kept doing that dumb bit.
(30:04):
And then everyone started joining in on that bit, and
it was like this little thing we're doing in the
trailer and it would it just it gave us this
feeling like, Okay, we're being accepted into this group of
really talented people and we're able to just joke around
and prove to them that we can play. And then
that translates you walk onto the set and you just
(30:24):
see it go straight from that room. All the play
and the joy that was in there goes straight onto
the set. And so actors hanging out with each other
is important. I think it builds the chemistry. You see it.
So when we see it in backstage and then see
it turn around right around on the stage, I'm like, oh,
that makes sense now in my brain, it like clicked
in to watch all that happen. I'm like, oh, this
(30:45):
is why you know your character and Nander's character have
a shorthand, because you guys were being funny in the
trailer and I saw it happen back there, and why
Matt is so funny with Natasha and their energy, like
they just get it because it's not like they don't
talk to each other except for when they step on
the set. And so that was really really cool for
(31:09):
me to watch. The other thing was super cool for
me to watch was just to see how like Yana
was working with everyone and n and I said this,
like when you do a comedy. We've been on comedies
before where the director and the crew and those people
never laugh. You're like, what the what are you doing?
These people are putting so much energy into this stuff
and I know it's funny, but they just feel like, Okay,
(31:32):
this isn't a laugh track show. So as soon as
they get it, they're like, all right, moving on, and
then you're left out there going was that funny? I
don't I hope that was good. As soon as she's cut,
Yanna laughs so hard and gives it up and tells
you what she loves about it. Same with the crew,
Same with the producers and the writers. They're so they're
(31:52):
there to be like, all right, you guys, whatever you
did on that last thing that was so good. So
watching all that stuff, I know this is a long answer,
but you start to understand, like these are the little
things that good shows do that make it like Okay.
The actors want to be there, they want to play.
Then people coming you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, it's true, it's your you nailed it on the head.
It's it's nothing's better than when you can make the
boom guy who's holding you know, the boom up, giggle
and shake the boom and almost drop it because they're
listening and laughing about what's happening. You know. I always
say the crew has the you know, longevity in this
business because you'll always need a boom, a DP and
(32:33):
a you know actor. I feel like there's just so
many of us, and it's like, if you get that gig,
it's such a lucky break. But also they've seen it all,
so they're like they can phone it in and they're
just holding the boom. I got it rolling, sound okay,
we got move on. But our crew is so engaged
with what the storyline is they themselves are laughing, and
so there's been takes where that happens, where like literally
(32:55):
our boom guy's literally laughing and he almost drops the boom.
And that's when you know you're creating something good. When
when somebody who's seen it all, who's been around for years,
and they've been on comedies and dramas, and they've been
around you know, the A listeners and all the time,
when they themselves are laughing and engaged in the storyline,
you're like, oh, this is gonna be good. Whatever way
they end up editing this, it's going to look great
(33:17):
because this is how funny it is now and.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
It's the whole crew. I mean, that's the thing. Like
Jay and I have been around sets where you know,
the show is. We've been on sets where the show
doesn't know if it's going to come back, and you know,
there's like a sense of nervousness around this, whereas this set,
everybody's like what you just said. They know they're a
part of this really special show. Even when I went
into do my ADR session and I met on saw
(33:40):
On Zoom, the you know, the post production people, and
they were like, they were like, we love this episode
so much. We love this episode, we love working on it.
We thought it was so great, so funny. You're like, oh,
you guys still care about every little detail, and of
course they do. It's not just a job to them.
I think they who weren't even there with us, you
know some of the people were, but like the two
(34:02):
people I'd never seen before, they care so deeply about
it and they know that they're a part of something
that is so special. And I'll say this. We told people,
you know, we do sets at the Comedy Store all
the time in Los Angeles and they're like, when are
you guys coming back here? And we're like or they're like,
can you come and do sets in November? We're like, no,
we're actually going to be up in Toronto, and I
don't know if we can say this, but we're shooting
(34:23):
what we do in the shadows and told other friends
and whatnot. They in the comedy community, I mean the
very very top of the comedy community. They love the
show so much, the respect we got so much love
for like, oh my god, you're doing a couple of
episodes of that show. That's phenomenal and we're just like
coming in for a few episodes. So understand that from
(34:43):
just a guest starring standpoint, that like the original and
the cast and whatnot, of which you are a part of,
it is just held in such high regards all over
the comedy community.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Well that means a lot. Then thank you for saying that,
because that's not you know, comedians are hard to win over.
I mean they the top, you know, at their game.
So for a comedian to say that to another comedian,
that's great. I love that. And and we're so lucky
to have you on the show. We're lucky to have
you and hope to have a way to you know,
(35:12):
no one ever dies in this world.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Well a part of us is like in our heart
of hearts, we're like God, we'd love to come back
because it was just so much fun to work with you,
like in some way, shape or form, Like who knows,
maybe you know Nandor is like I gotta I want
these guys back in my life. Or Laslo's like I
can't live without Brandon Toby. So we got to like
reanimate them and bring them back. You never know, or.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
That we did love the show, he'd love the show.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Get a chance, or that we get a chance to
make Go Flip Yourself as an actual show to me
would be hilarious.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Ah, that's so great. I mean, anything's possible in our world.
Anything's possible. And we love you Andy, We love you Jay.
It's just been phenomenal having you guys on so on
the show. We've been asking everyone who's been doing Behind
the Shadows this question. This season, we have Nasea's Nightclub
and although we mentioned it in your show, you know,
(36:02):
Go Flip Yourself, if you were to have a drink
that was to your character, what would be the name
of the drink and what would consist of at Naja's Nightclub?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Okay, Jay, you got to do the Toby. Toby is
like one non an alcoholic. It'd probably like milk with
a shot of oat milk inside it milk with a
shot of oat milk, and it's called like a white Ukrainian.
(36:35):
That's good. Like that?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Is it garnish with anything? Is there any like thing
on top or any decoration.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Or maybe like a dollip of like sugar sugar around
the rim, Like it's not even salt. Milk with a
shot of oat milk and it's sugar around the rim.
It's a white Ukrainian. There you go. God, that's so good.
I feel like awful. My favorite drink now is the
app all sprits. It's like very Italian, you know. It's
(37:03):
like apparol, a little bit of you know, with a
little bit of ginger ale it or sprite or whatever,
and you put a little ton again then you put
a orange slice in it. To me, it would be
like and brands would be like an entire fruit salad
inside of an apparol sprits. And we call it, I
don't know what even what we call it jay. We
call it like the I mean, I don't know, I know,
(37:25):
you know, we call it brantastic. Is what you call
the knucklehead, the knucklehead, uckle ahead, the knucklehead, And it
is brantastic.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
There you go, there you go. Well, thank you so
much for being on the show. We know you have
another show right now coming out Notesblea. Do you want
to give us some information where we can see that
where what's all about?
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Go ahead, Yeah, so I'll go ahead. So we did
a show. We did a show on ESPN Classic years ago.
It was like mystery science Theater for the old weird
sporting events that lived in the ESPN library, and it
was called Cheap Seats. And for years our fans have
been like, we want you to bring it back, and
so we finally have an opportunity to bring it back. Jay,
you can continue on and explain it. Yeah, So it's
(38:09):
it's it's such a fun show and you don't even
have to be a fan of UFC to to enjoy
this show. It's just pure comedy and it's been We
did six episodes. The first episode is available on YouTube
if you just search Nosebleeds and Sclar Brothers UFC you'll
find it. It's basically mystery science Theater, as Rennie said,
with us running commentary and jokes and then jumping out
(38:31):
into sketches. Rob Cordrey's in the first episode. John Hamm
plays a personal injury lawyer who's trying to rep fighters.
Marilyn Rice Cub is in it. Tony Hale is in it.
If we're lucky enough to do more, we'll write something
for you to do in it, so that this is
the goal badly. Yeah. Man, it's pure comedy. It's that's
what I love about this. It's really like, this isn't
(38:54):
us trying to do a sort of silly sports show.
This is us trying to do a full on comedy,
full comedy swing and they let us do it, and
it's in our voice and we're proud of it. So
go watch the watch the Nosebleeds Skla Brothers. Search for
that on YouTube and you'll find it and you'll be
pleasantly surprised. I think it's really fun.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Well, there you go, folks. You heard it here. Randy Jay,
thanks so much for joining us, and I can't wait
to work together again in the future. Your show, our show,
any show, because you're both a delight.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I would love it so much. Harvey are the best.
Thanks for the best, man. We'll have you come to
our podcast Dumb Peopletown too to promote your own. We
can't wait all.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Let's do it all right.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
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and Tyler Nielsen. Original music by Trevor Bumgar and Chris Hendrix.
Vocals by Maggie Glass. If you don't already, subscribe wherever
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(39:56):
the What We Do in the Shadow subreddit for an
ama with Harvey and special guests.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Breathing is so overwhelming, I'd bizarre.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Have to tell me, why.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Would anyone want to be alive that might have a
reputation before she arrives?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
But trust me, we have.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Way more Fanny Afterlife. We have way more Fani after Life.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
See you next week.
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